from seanmcs@ar.com.au Mon May 1 00:06:43 2000 Mon, 1 May 2000 14:43:04 +1000 Rodmakers List Subject: Re: UPS Sucks Darrell: This was the only time it has happened this way. Usually doestake 6- 8 weeks surface mail from USA to Oz. Sean "Darrell A. Lee" wrote: Guess the postal letter carriers walk on water! That's good to know, I've been scared off from attempting to ship byUSPSsurface mail to asia or europe which on their web site quotes 4-6weeks... Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 4:03 AM Cc: irish-george@pacbell.net; dickay@alltel.net; Rodmakers ListSubject: Re: UPS Sucks Art: Last year I bought a really heavy book from Philadelphia, chosingUSPS surface mail at $9.95 to Sydney, Australia. Charged to a creditcard, it was in my New South Wales letterbox five days later. Sean Art Port wrote: All,I've been trying to sit this one out, but I think I can save youmoneywith a cautionary tale of the USPS.On SEVERAL occasions, I've refused to pay extra for 3-daydeliveryorother "speedy service" since I didn't need the article immediately andinEVERY instance I got delivery within the "speeded-up" window withoutpayingthe premium. I've said to my wife that I certainly would have beenhappywith their service if I had paid that premium!This may only work in megalopol(i)(?) like the Northeast corridor(where Iam currently trapped as an indentured servant *G*), but it may beworthtrying where you are if you're not in an absolute panic over havingsomething.Art At 10:15 PM 04/29/2000 -0700, irish-george wrote:always ASK if the address you are sending to is served by nextdaydelivery, even some major technology centers AREN'T.) George ----- ListSent: Friday, April 28, 2000 5:55 PM Subject: UPS SucksWhat's wrong with this??? Dick Fuhrman from brookie@frii.com Mon May 1 09:21:21 2000 Subject: Friend in NZ curious about 'found' cane Seems like some of us just bop into the RodM. list now and again to askyour input and comments on 'found' cane ... you know the kind, found in anantique/junk shop or garage sale. Just rec'd such a request from afriend in New Zealand, and I/he would appreciate your comments .... privateemail would be great and I'll forward comments on to him, thanks inadvance : and today in a junk shop, I saw a likelycandidate for refinishing .... Split cane, marked ' Tongasand' .... good nick but I immediatelythought ... Japanese .... what the heck is 'Tongasand' ! ? Close examination of the reel seat showed, in *tiny* hand punched letters .... J.J.S. Walker-Bamfton & Co., Makers, Alawick . Thats' as close as I could make out. Reel seat is machined metal, ferrules and guidesare brass. Not knowing a heck of a lot about the time, it wasintersesting to note that the ferrules contected " bayonet " mountingstyle. suecolorado from nobler@satx.rr.com Mon May 1 09:29:04 2000 SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35);Mon, 1 May 2000 09:16:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Friend in NZ curious about 'found' cane Sounds like an English made rod to me, from the engraving description.Moredetails on the ferrules would help, but there are some here who know agreatdeal about the production from the U.K.. GMA----- Original Message ----- Subject: Friend in NZ curious about 'found' cane Seems like some of us just bop into the RodM. list now and again to askyour input and comments on 'found' cane ... you know the kind, found in anantique/junk shop or garage sale. Just rec'd such a request from afriend in New Zealand, and I/he would appreciate your comments ....privateemail would be great and I'll forward comments on to him, thanks inadvance : and today in a junk shop, I saw a likelycandidate for refinishing .... Split cane, marked ' Tongasand' .... good nick but I immediatelythought ... Japanese .... what the heck is 'Tongasand' ! ? Close examination of the reel seat showed, in *tiny* hand punchedletters .... J.J.S. Walker-Bamfton & Co., Makers, Alawick . Thats' as closeas I could make out. Reel seat is machined metal, ferrules and guidesare brass. Not knowing a heck of a lot about the time, it wasintersesting to note that the ferrules contected " bayonet " mountingstyle. suecolorado from brookie@frii.com Mon May 1 09:32:34 2000 Subject: Re: Friend in NZ curious about 'found' cane Sounds like an English made rod to me, from the engraving description. More details on the ferrules would help, butthere are some here who know a great deal about the production from the U.K.. Just thought of a couple other things, first, what 'more details on theferrules' could this chap provide ? Description of them in what way ?Also, at one point, I had a contact in England re cane rod, shop Ibelieve that sells older ones (when I was looking for a Cliff Constable),anyone have a web address for a Brit shop ? I've lost my reference to it. suecolorado from grau@buchlang.com Mon May 1 09:49:05 2000 Subject: Re: Friend in NZ curious about 'found' cane Thats an English rod from Walker-Bampton & Co, Makers, Alnwick. Mabyethe name is"Tonga-Sand" - sorry - i do not have my "identification-book" for englishrods onthis workplace. There should be wrote much more - year, collectors price,partsetc. Regards Stefan sue kreutzer schrieb: Seems like some of us just bop into the RodM. list now and again to askyour input and comments on 'found' cane ... you know the kind, found in anantique/junk shop or garage sale. Just rec'd such a request from afriend in New Zealand, and I/he would appreciate your comments ....privateemail would be great and I'll forward comments on to him, thanks inadvance : and today in a junk shop, I saw a likelycandidate for refinishing .... Split cane, marked ' Tongasand' .... good nick but I immediatelythought ... Japanese .... what the heck is 'Tongasand' ! ? Close examination of the reel seat showed, in *tiny* hand punchedletters .... J.J.S. Walker-Bamfton & Co., Makers, Alawick . Thats' as closeas I could make out. Reel seat is machined metal, ferrules and guidesare brass. Not knowing a heck of a lot about the time, it wasintersesting to note that the ferrules contected " bayonet " mountingstyle. suecolorado --Lang Info AccessDatenbanken - CD Rom - InternetliteraturInternet: http://www.buchlang.com/infoaccess/Stefan GrauInformation ConsultantMènzgraben 2CH-3011 Berne/SwitzerlandPhone: 031 310 84 84direct phone: ++41 ( 0 ) 31 310 84 78fax: 310 84 94ausgenommen:Montag vormittag,Dienstag nachmittagMittwoch ganzer Tag---------------------------------------------------------------Sicherheits-Hinweis: Diese elektronische Post ist nur fèr den oder die Empf€nger, welchein der Adress-Zeile genannt werden bestimmt!Falls Sie nicht zu diesen gehåren, verståsst jede- unerlaubte Kopie,- unerlaubte Weiterleitung,- unerlaubte Kenntnisnahme, auch vermutlich oeffentlicher Inhalte,- und unerlaubte Verbreitung der enthaltenen Nachricht(en),sowie jeder anderer unautorisierte Gebrauch gegen geltendes Recht. Falls Sie nicht zu den in der Adresszeile genannten Empf€nger(n) gehåren,so bitten wir Sie um Kontaktnahme des Absenders und Zerstårungder betreffenden Daten von Ihrem Computer._________________________________________ Security-Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the personor entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidentialand/or privileged material.Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, ortaking of any action in reliance upon, this information bypersons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.If you received this in error, please contact the sender and deletethe material from any computer. from Grhghlndr@aol.com Mon May 1 10:13:31 2000 Subject: Re: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it earsdws@duke.edu,FlyfishT@aol.com Well guess what? Now the idiots have lost my package. I am on the phone with UPS and they are total idiots when it comes tracking and customer relations. Never again will I use them. Bret from GROMBACHERA@phibred.com Mon May 1 10:23:55 2000 Mon, 1 May 2000 11:23:41 -0400 Mon, 1 May 2000 11:23:17 -0400 Subject: RE: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it Brett and Others, UPS is famous for gouging the snot out of you if you live in Canada andreceive anything from the USA. They call it brokerage fees. I remember once that a $12.00 package costmeabout $30.00 in brokerage fees. When I was living in Nebraska, I had aModel 12 stock broken by UPS. They denied that they did it, even thoughyoucould see the forklift tire tracks on the box and the groove in the guncase. UPS does suck. Purolator is the best within Canada. FEDEX is best goingacross the border. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- earsdws@duke.edu; FlyfishT@aol.com Subject: Re: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it Well guess what? Now the idiots have lost my package. I am on the phone with UPS and they are total idiots when it comes tracking and customer relations. Never again will I use them. Bret from darrell@rockclimbing.org Mon May 1 10:49:35 2000 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9)with SMTP id for Subject: RE: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it Does FEDEX have that customs fee like UPS? You wouldn't believe howpissedI was!!! Fortunately I had gotten a good enough deal, that I could absorbthe hit, but what a nasty surprise! I ranted to the customer service, theassistant manager and the supervisor... they conceded that addressees likeme complained bitterly ALL the time... I think the reason that they charge the addressee instead of the shipper, isthat the shipper would go elsewhere if they got hit with the fee upfront. Sorry for the continued rant, but this is good info to know... I'm going to check out Fedex prices... surf's up! Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- Alan Subject: RE: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it Brett and Others, UPS is famous for gouging the snot out of you if you live in Canada andreceive anything from the USA. They call it brokerage fees. I remember once that a $12.00 package costmeabout $30.00 in brokerage fees. When I was living in Nebraska, I had aModel 12 stock broken by UPS. They denied that they did it, even thoughyoucould see the forklift tire tracks on the box and the groove in the guncase. UPS does suck. Purolator is the best within Canada. FEDEX is best goingacross the border. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- earsdws@duke.edu; FlyfishT@aol.com Subject: Re: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it Well guess what? Now the idiots have lost my package. I am on the phonewith UPS and they are total idiots when it comes tracking and customerrelations. Never again will I use them. Bret from GROMBACHERA@phibred.com Mon May 1 11:58:12 2000 Mon, 1 May 2000 12:57:59 -0400 Mon, 1 May 2000 12:57:19 -0400 Rod Makers Subject: RE: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it Darrell, I send a lot of things down to the US, and haven't had FEDEX ding me once.Remember the route my stuff takes is from Alberta to the US. UPS Canada as a business runs in the red, except for their brokerage feebusiness. UPS' brokerage business in Canada keeps them in the blackfinancially. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it Does FEDEX have that customs fee like UPS? You wouldn't believe howpissedI was!!! Fortunately I had gotten a good enough deal, that I could absorbthe hit, but what a nasty surprise! I ranted to the customer service, theassistant manager and the supervisor... they conceded that addressees likeme complained bitterly ALL the time... I think the reason that they charge the addressee instead of the shipper, isthat the shipper would go elsewhere if they got hit with the fee upfront. Sorry for the continued rant, but this is good info to know... I'm going to check out Fedex prices... surf's up! Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- Alan Subject: RE: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it Brett and Others, UPS is famous for gouging the snot out of you if you live in Canada andreceive anything from the USA. They call it brokerage fees. I remember once that a $12.00 package costmeabout $30.00 in brokerage fees. When I was living in Nebraska, I had aModel 12 stock broken by UPS. They denied that they did it, even thoughyoucould see the forklift tire tracks on the box and the groove in the guncase. UPS does suck. Purolator is the best within Canada. FEDEX is best goingacross the border. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- earsdws@duke.edu; FlyfishT@aol.com Subject: Re: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it Well guess what? Now the idiots have lost my package. I am on the phonewith UPS and they are total idiots when it comes tracking and customerrelations. Never again will I use them. Bret from grau@buchlang.com Mon May 1 12:31:35 2000 Subject: UPS sucks - mabye also the salary(s)? boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFB3A2.1B5E4520" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFB3A2.1B5E4520 here in Switzerland we do not have many experiences with UPS, seems itworks. But mabye UPS pays bad salarys to her employes, who knows. Thecompetition will be always harder and the bosses wan`t pay god salarys - this way the workers do not like her job an do it bad....we have the =sameexperiences on the whole world in different jobs, firms & businesses.. Regards Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFB3A2.1B5E4520 here in Switzerland we do not = experiences with UPS, seems itworks. But mabye UPS pays badsalarys = employes, who knows. Thecompetition will be always harder and the = wan`t pay god salarys -this way the workers do not like her job an = bad....we have the sameexperiences on the whole world in different = businesses..RegardsStefan ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFB3A2.1B5E4520-- from Canerods@aol.com Mon May 1 13:57:18 2000 Subject: FWD: Rod ID needed All: This was posted to the FF@ list-serv - can anyone help him ID this rod?John Cooper are you still on the list? Don Burns conrad.forest@wilket.co.nz (conrad.forest@wilket.co.nz) G'Day, Happy May Day, solidarity to the workers and all that ..... yeah right .... :^( All it means to me is that fishing season closed yesterday, I had a goodone,but winter has arrived. After listening to you guys, I'm thinking about bamboorod projects for the next dark months, and today in a junk shop, I saw a likelycandidate for refinishing .... Split cane, marked ' Tongasand' .... good nick but I immediately thought ....Japanese .... what the heck is 'Tongasand' ! ? Close examination of the reel seat showed, in *tiny* hand punched letters ..... J.J.S. Walker-Bamfton & Co., Makers, Alawick . Thats' as close as I couldmake out. Reel seat is machined metal, ferrules and guides are brass. Notknowing a heck of a lot about the time, it was intersesting to note thatthe ferrulescontected " bayonet " mounting style. I'd be greatful for any info as to whether it is worth going back for a second look.Replies to the list, or to me at ... conrad.forest@clear.net.nz ... not to the aboveaddress. Thanks & Cheers ..... CB>> from brookie@frii.com Mon May 1 14:04:16 2000 Subject: Re: FWD: Rod ID needed At 02:56 PM 5/1/2000 EDT, you wrote:All: This was posted to the FF@ list-serv - can anyone help him ID this rod?John Cooper are you still on the list? Don Burns Don, I posted same to RodMakers earlier today, have had several responses,to include one from Ian Kearney down in NZ who was most helpful ! suecolorado from briansr@point-net.com Mon May 1 16:11:06 2000 Subject: RE UPS sucks -maybe StephanAt least in Switzerland your Air Traffic Controllers are paid handsomelyandare treated with respect and as humans by their employer, not as weare,here in Canada.In Montreal we've lost 6 controllers to Switzerland andthat figure will rise by a few more. Woops my blood pressure isincreasing,Ii better not rant any more,Brian from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Mon May 1 16:25:44 2000 (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP Mon, 1 May 2000 22:25:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Friend in NZ curious about 'found' cane Sue, Walker Bampton were a reputable British company based in Alnwick,Northumberland.I beleieve they were ex Hardy employees( makes sense asHardy were and still are in Alnwick!)who set up a rod and reel buildingoperation themselves.The ferrules you described were the patented Hardylockfast ferrule.If my memory serves me correct Walket Bampton were inexistence from the early thirties until around 1968.Eventually they werebought out by that famous company Farlows of Pall Mall.Funny how thingschange, Farlows have this year been bought out by the same companywhichnow owns Hardy!I know of one ex Walker Bampton employee who is still building andrepairing rods, and he still lives in Alnwick.Walker Bamton rods are still quite common here in the UK and one wasadvertised last month for sale by a trader ( reportedly in goodcondition )for £75 sterling for an 8'6" rod.Trust the above is helpful......regards, Paul. sue kreutzer wrote: Seems like some of us just bop into the RodM. list now and again to askyour input and comments on 'found' cane ... you know the kind, found in anantique/junk shop or garage sale. Just rec'd such a request from afriend in New Zealand, and I/he would appreciate your comments ....privateemail would be great and I'll forward comments on to him, thanks inadvance : and today in a junk shop, I saw a likelycandidate for refinishing .... Split cane, marked ' Tongasand' .... good nick but I immediatelythought ... Japanese .... what the heck is 'Tongasand' ! ? Close examination of the reel seat showed, in *tiny* hand punchedletters .... J.J.S. Walker-Bamfton & Co., Makers, Alawick . Thats' as closeas I could make out. Reel seat is machined metal, ferrules and guidesare brass. Not knowing a heck of a lot about the time, it wasintersesting to note that the ferrules contected " bayonet " mountingstyle. suecolorado from nobler@satx.rr.com Mon May 1 20:12:00 2000 SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35);Mon, 1 May 2000 20:12:54 -0500 Subject: Fw: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it When you make your living depending on delivery of hand made products,youlearn in a hurry what costs you dearly ! Some items I restore, would belikelosing a Garrison, or PHY ! I ship to every country except Russia and theUkraine, and (knock on wood) have lost not one item yet. I use the USPS exclusively. How you pack things means a great deal inreceiving good delivery ! GMA----- Original Message -----From: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:11 AMSubject: Re: U.P.S. SUCKS/They've lost it Well guess what? Now the idiots have lost my package. I am on thephonewith UPS and they are total idiots when it comes tracking andcustomerrelations. Never again will I use them. Bret from grau@buchlang.com Mon May 1 23:36:39 2000 Subject: Walker bampton boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB3FD.F21ABE80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB3FD.F21ABE80 WB was foundet in the fifties and existed until the 80`ties. from the =fifties to the 70`ties they made canerods. Her blanks was made from =Farlows, WB put the rings, ferrules, hardware etc. on. A speciality of =WB was "kit rods", mabye your rod is such a kit, i do not find a name =similar to yours in my list. In the later decade of WB they made =expensive carbon rods, also hexagonal in form, named the hexagraph, fly =and also carp-rods. The collectors-prices/worth for a WB canerod are approx. $ 80 for =excellent condition. RegardsStefan ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB3FD.F21ABE80 WB was foundet in the fifties and existed until the = from the fifties to the 70`ties they made canerods. Her blanks was made= Farlows, WB put the rings, ferrules, hardware etc. on. A speciality of = "kit rods", mabye your rod is such a kit, i do not find a name similar = in my list. In the later decade of WB they made expensive carbon rods, = hexagonal in form, named the hexagraph, fly and also =carp-rods. The collectors-prices/worth for a WB canerod are = RegardsStefan ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB3FD.F21ABE80-- from irish-george@pacbell.net Tue May 2 00:31:51 2000 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9)with SMTP id for Subject: Re: UPS Sucks anglport@con2.com The USPS certainly has its moments, both good and bad. At its best, I've even received a package from overseas that was markedasbeing received in the US with most of the address label missing. All thatwas left of it was my complete name and the first letter (luckily, a"Y"...not too many of those) of the city I live in at the time. At its worst, I bought a pamphlet on eBay and paid for priority mail. Theseller decided to pocket the difference and send it to me at "book rate".Well, book rate took over 5 weeks!!! (The seller didn't lie about when itwas mailed...I checked the postmark.) George ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: UPS Sucks Guess the postal letter carriers walk on water! That's good to know, I've been scared off from attempting to ship byUSPSsurface mail to asia or europe which on their web site quotes 4-6weeks... Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 4:03 AM Cc: irish-george@pacbell.net; dickay@alltel.net; Rodmakers ListSubject: Re: UPS Sucks Art: Last year I bought a really heavy book from Philadelphia, chosingUSPS surface mail at $9.95 to Sydney, Australia. Charged to a creditcard, it was in my New South Wales letterbox five days later. Sean Art Port wrote: All,I've been trying to sit this one out, but I think I can save youmoneywith a cautionary tale of the USPS.On SEVERAL occasions, I've refused to pay extra for 3-daydeliveryorother "speedy service" since I didn't need the article immediately andinEVERY instance I got delivery within the "speeded-up" window withoutpayingthe premium. I've said to my wife that I certainly would have beenhappywith their service if I had paid that premium!This may only work in megalopol(i)(?) like the Northeastcorridor(where Iam currently trapped as an indentured servant *G*), but it may beworthtrying where you are if you're not in an absolute panic over havingsomething.Art At 10:15 PM 04/29/2000 -0700, irish-george wrote:always ASK if the address you are sending to is served by nextdaydelivery, even some major technology centers AREN'T.) George ----- ListSent: Friday, April 28, 2000 5:55 PM Subject: UPS SucksWhat's wrong with this??? Dick Fuhrman from irish-george@pacbell.net Tue May 2 00:36:33 2000 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9)with SMTP id for Subject: Re: UPS sucks - mabye also the salary(s)? boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01BFB3BD.E4F956C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BFB3BD.E4F956C0 I also notice a big difference in UPS East of the Mississippi vs West of =the Mississippi. West of the Mississippi, they are a bunch of clowns =who seem to screw up about 1/3-1/2 the time. East of the Mississippi =(22 years), I never had a problem...not even once. I really don't have =a clue why the big difference. George Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:19 AMSubject: UPS sucks - mabye also the salary(s)? here in Switzerland we do not have many experiences with UPS, seems itworks. But mabye UPS pays bad salarys to her employes, who knows. Thecompetition will be always harder and the bosses wan`t pay god salarys =-this way the workers do not like her job an do it bad....we have the =sameexperiences on the whole world in different jobs, firms & businesses.. Regards Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BFB3BD.E4F956C0 I also notice a big difference in UPS East of the = don't have a clue why the big difference. George ----- Original Message ----- grau@buchlang.com Makers Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 =10:19 AMSubject: UPS sucks - mabye also= salary(s)?here in Switzerland we do not have experiences with UPS, seems itworks. But mabye UPS pays bad = employes, who knows. Thecompetition will be always harder and the= wan`t pay god salarys -this way the workers do not like her job an = bad....we have the sameexperiences on the whole world in different = businesses..RegardsStefan ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BFB3BD.E4F956C0-- from jwt4639@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Tue May 2 07:32:35 2000 with ESMTPA id forrodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Tue, 2 May 2000 08:32:31 EDT Subject: Wood Planing Forms Does anyone know of a maker of wooden planing forms for sale to theneophyte.Thanks in advance,Jim Tjwt4639@rit.edu from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Tue May 2 07:52:24 2000 FAA11310 ESMTP for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu;Tue, 2 May 2000 05:53:13 -0700 (5.5.2650.21) Subject: Corbette Lake Lord have mercy, I think that I have died and gone to bamboo flyrod heaven.Not only did I get to talk bamboowith Hoagy Carmichael and not only did I get to SEE a real Garrison andCarmichael but I actually got to castthem both. My got I think I got moist. Hoagy brought a Garrison 209 thatMr. Garrison made but also a Garrison212e that he had made. Boy what sweet rods. Bob Millward gave a talk on bamboo stiffness and strength and low andbehold Mr. Garrison was right on themoney especially with node staggering. Millward and a Professor from U.C.Berkley did laboratory tests andfound out that there is a 10% drop in bending stiffness at the nodes andwith Garrisons staggering there isonly 10% drop, with 2.2.2 there is 20% and with 3.3.3. there is 30% drop.With the Garrison stagger there is 5un-noded section surrounding each node and pretty much negates the nodesweakness. The also found that tonkinsmodules of elasticity drops off dramatically just past 50 thousands underthe rind and also after you get morethat 12 feet up the stalk from the ground. Millward will be publishingthere findings soon. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from nobler@satx.rr.com Tue May 2 08:11:57 2000 SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35);Tue, 2 May 2000 07:59:26 -0500 "Rod Makers" Subject: Re: UPS sucks - mabye also the salary(s)? It takes almost 2 weeks for UPS delivery from either coast, but from theWest coast it can take 4 weeks at times ! Crazy ! GMA----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: UPS sucks - mabye also the salary(s)? I also notice a big difference in UPS East of the Mississippi vs West of theMississippi. West of the Mississippi, they are a bunch of clowns who seemto screw up about 1/3-1/2 the time. East of the Mississippi (22 years), Inever had a problem...not even once. I really don't have a clue why the bigdifference. George----- Original Message -----From: grau@buchlang.com Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:19 AMSubject: UPS sucks - mabye also the salary(s)? here in Switzerland we do not have many experiences with UPS, seems itworks. But mabye UPS pays bad salarys to her employes, who knows. Thecompetition will be always harder and the bosses wan`t pay god salarys - this way the workers do not like her job an do it bad....we have the sameexperiences on the whole world in different jobs, firms & businesses.. Regards Stefan from briansr@point-net.com Tue May 2 08:40:18 2000 Tue, 2 May 2000 09:40:07 -0400 "'rodmakers'" Subject: Re: Corbette Lake Hi PatMany thank's for your post.Unlike a lot of posts ,good rock solid info.So wemissed Corbett Lake again eh?May the Garrison basher's cringe from under their rocks*G*Bob is veryluckyto have U.C.'s labs available.Most of us that are experimenting are doing it"by the seats of our pants",and wondering if we ARE right!! As for themodulus/12ft from ground data,maybe soon builders will be demandingculmswith growers marks on themCheers Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Corbette Lake Lord have mercy, I think that I have died and gone to bamboo flyrodheaven. Not only did I get to talk bamboo with Hoagy Carmichael and notonlydid I get to SEE a real Garrison and Carmichael but I actually got to castthem both. My got I think I got moist. Hoagy brought a Garrison 209 thatMr.Garrison made but also a Garrison 212e that he had made. Boy what sweetrods. Bob Millward gave a talk on bamboo stiffness and strength and low andbehold Mr. Garrison was right on the money especially with nodestaggering.Millward and a Professor from U.C. Berkley did laboratory tests and foundout that there is a 10% drop in bending stiffness at the nodes and withGarrisons staggering there is only 10% drop, with 2.2.2 there is 20% andwith 3.3.3. there is 30% drop. With the Garrison stagger there is 5 un-nodedsection surrounding each node and pretty much negates the nodesweakness.The also found that tonkins modules of elasticity drops off dramaticallyjust past 50 thousands under the rind and also after you get more that 12feet up the stalk from the ground. Millward will be publishing therefindings soon. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from mcanultj@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu Tue May 2 09:44:33 2000 R8.31.00.5) Subject: Lacquer I am going to try the "lacquer on the wraps before varnish dipping" method to preserve the wrap colors. Are there any pros and cons to this approach and are there any things I need to watch out for when picking a lacquer (ie. products or preparations to be avoided?)?Any help is appreciated in advance.Thanks.Jon McAnulty from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Tue May 2 10:30:24 2000 8:39:04 PDT Subject: re: Lacquer Jon, I use Parks Clear Lacquer bought at Fred Meyer, it is the only product I could find in my area. Not even the larger paint stores carry lacqueraround here. Some things I've found is that lacquer preserves the thread color ata much darker tone then latex Flex coat, and it will give you a more vivid color then latex flex coat. You'll get better penetration if you thin the first coat that you brush onto the wraps with some lacquer thinner. Lacquer doesn't adhere to the blank as well as varnish or poly will, but neitherdoes latex flex coat, and if you are dipping a couple of coats or more over the entire rod, the wrap isn't going anywhere. After the first thinned coat I apply multiple full strength coats, followed by a couple of coats ofwhatever finish I'll be dipping. I do this to check for leaks essentially. Periodically a wrap will darken as the finish product finds a breach in the lacquer layer and it's easier to replace at this point then after dipping. Lacquer seems to re-activate itself some when multiple layers areapplied. Watch for an occasional tiny air bubble wanting to form. You won't get the quick build you would get with latex flex coat. It will get tacky pretty quickly, so it's best to apply it smoothly with your brush and then leave it alone. I let each layer dry over night (12+ hrs.), but that is probably longer then necessary. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu---------- Original Text ---------- I am going to try the "lacquer on the wraps before varnish dipping" method to preserve the wrap colors. Are there any pros and cons to this approach and are there any things I need to watch out for when picking a lacquer (ie. products or preparations to be avoided?)?Any help is appreciated in advance.Thanks.Jon McAnulty from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Tue May 2 11:51:20 2000 JAA29879 ESMTP for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu;Tue, 2 May 2000 09:51:54 -0700 (5.5.2650.21) Subject: bamboo Glen Becket from Winston rod co and Andy Royer just got back from Chinaafter having purchased a big shipmentof bamboo that Glen and Andy hand selected. The guys from Winston wereat corbette lake and said the stuff wasoutstanding. Andy said that the bamboo is on the high seas and on its wayto Seattle. As usual I have no tieswith the bamboo other than as a customer. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Tue May 2 13:34:06 2000 Subject: Bellinger Beveller Guy'sI purchased a Bellinger Rough Out beveller from Russ at G.W twoweeks or so ago, and I wanted to wait until I ran a few rods before I posted my opinion. The rough out beveller is an outstanding machine it is very fastand accurate[.005"] The time savings alone is well worth the investment. It is very well made and I would recommend to anyone making more than acouple of rods a year, or to all that dislike roughing by hand.B.T.W it is also very easy to operate. I have no interest financial or otherwise just a very nice machine.Joseph A Perrigo II from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Tue May 2 13:46:44 2000 (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP Tue, 2 May 2000 19:46:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Walker bampton Stefan,Your information re Walker Bampton is incorrect.You are getting confused between Walker Bampton and Bruce and Walker!Walker Bampton never did kit rods , carp rods or hexagraphs.Walker Bampton only made cane fly and spinning rods up until they ceasedproduction circa 1968.They were latterly owned by Farlows of Pall Mall for whom WalkerBamptonmade cane rods.Bruce and Walker and still producing high quality graphite rods and carprods.I think the term hexagraph is even a Bruce and Walker registeredname.They have now stopped making hexagraphs as the graphite blanksdelaminated at the spigot ferrule connections......long live metalferrules!Trust this sets the record straight.........Regards........Paul grau@buchlang.com wrote: WB was foundet in the fifties and existed until the 80`ties. > from thefifties to the 70`ties they made canerods. Her blanks was made fromFarlows, WB put the rings, ferrules, hardware etc. on. A speciality ofWB was "kit rods", mabye your rod is such a kit, i do not find a namesimilar to yours in my list. In the later decade of WB they madeexpensive carbon rods, also hexagonal in form, named the hexagraph,fly and also carp-rods. The collectors-prices/worth for a WB canerod are approx. $ 80 forexcellent condition. RegardsStefan from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Tue May 2 14:01:40 2000 12:10:23 PDT Subject: re: Corbette Lake Patrick, Do you know what publication this information will be detailed? Those are interesting test results. Was the 10% drop in bending stiffness together? If it were for a single tapered strip then the 3x3 would beabout 5% rather then 30%, right?. However if a single node lined up with 5clear strips did result in a 10% reduction in stiffness for the the rod at that point, then that would imply that 3 nodes lined up would be prettydramatic, as you indicated. That would result in quite the hinge, which I've never noticed on the 3x3 rods I've cast. I may not understand what exactly is meant by bending stiffness. I look forward to reading about it. Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu---------- Original Text ---------- 5:52 AM: Lord have mercy, I think that I have died and gone to bamboo flyrod heaven. Not only did I get to talk bamboo with Hoagy Carmichael and not only did I get to SEE a real Garrison and Carmichael but I actually got to cast them both. My got I think I got moist. Hoagy brought a Garrison 209 that Mr. Garrison made but also a Garrison 212e that he had made. Boy what sweetrods. Bob Millward gave a talk on bamboo stiffness and strength and low andbehold Mr. Garrison was right on the money especially with node staggering.Millward and a Professor from U.C. Berkley did laboratory tests and foundout that there is a 10% drop in bending stiffness at the nodes and with Garrisons staggering there is only 10% drop, with 2.2.2 there is 20% and with 3.3.3. there is 30% drop. With the Garrison stagger there is 5 un-noded section surrounding each node and pretty much negates the nodes weakness. Thealso found that tonkins modules of elasticity drops off dramatically just past50 thousands under the rind and also after you get more that 12 feet up the stalk from the ground. Millward will be publishing there findings soon. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Tue May 2 14:33:35 2000 MAA02416 ESMTP; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:34:10 -0700 (5.5.2650.21) "'mcdowellc@lanecc.edu'" Subject: RE: Corbette Lake Milward indicated that the published information would be coming outtowards the end of the year. They took aprime culm, cut uniform width strips, thicknessed them all the same andmeasured how much pull to break thepower fibers from three different layers within in the strips. They alsodid deflection testing to destructionwith measured lengths and measured the pull it took and the amount ofdeflection and how much force to break.I just reread my notes and the quote was "bending strengths drop by 15%at the adjacent node nest to a stripand looses 6.6% in tensile strength, for each 10 thousands if you sand theoutside surface". That was thetensile strength measurement. The conclusion reached was that the bestconfiguration for a rod was nodeless,hollow built and made from the 1st 12 feet of the stock measured fromthe ground up. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 ----------From: CHRISTOPHER C MCDOWELL[SMTP:mcdowellc@lanecc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: re: Corbette Lake Patrick, Do you know what publication this information will be detailed? Those are interesting test results. Was the 10% drop in bendingstiffness together? If it were for a single tapered strip then the 3x3 would beabout 5% rather then 30%, right?. However if a single node lined up with 5clear strips did result in a 10% reduction in stiffness for the the rod at that point, then that would imply that 3 nodes lined up would be prettydramatic, as you indicated. That would result in quite the hinge, which I've never noticed on the 3x3 rods I've cast. I may not understand what exactly is meant by bending stiffness. I look forward to reading about it. Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu---------- Original Text ---------- From: "Coffey, Patrick W" , on 5/2/005:52 AM: Lord have mercy, I think that I have died and gone to bamboo flyrodheaven. Not only did I get to talk bamboo with Hoagy Carmichael and not only didI get to SEE a real Garrison and Carmichael but I actually got to cast them both. My got I think I got moist. Hoagy brought a Garrison 209 that Mr. Garrison made but also a Garrison 212e that he had made. Boy whatsweet rods. Bob Millward gave a talk on bamboo stiffness and strength and low andbehold Mr. Garrison was right on the money especially with node staggering.Millward and a Professor from U.C. Berkley did laboratory tests and found out that there is a 10% drop in bending stiffness at the nodes and with Garrisons staggering there is only 10% drop, with 2.2.2 there is 20% and with 3.3.3. there is 30% drop. With the Garrison stagger there is 5 un-noded section surrounding each node and pretty much negates the nodes weakness. Thealso found that tonkins modules of elasticity drops off dramatically just past50 thousands under the rind and also after you get more that 12 feet up the stalk from the ground. Millward will be publishing there findings soon. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from saweiss@flash.net Tue May 2 15:16:43 2000 Subject: Re: UPS sucks - mabye also the salary(s)? Folks,I think we have all gotten the point about UPS & USPS.Steve from Grhghlndr@aol.com Tue May 2 15:36:50 2000 Subject: Re: UPS sucks - It made it today finally rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu List, I just got my order from REC today and I couldn't wait to see what thecork was like. So far the cork is some of the best I have seen. I just randomly reached into the bag and grabbed some and each time I do it is all verytight grained and very very nice stuff. This is their cork RX extra select. I don't think Iwill have to worry about another source for cork. I am getting ready to place another order for cork here soon because I only got a couple hundred to start with because I wanted to make sure of the quality. I also ordered their UNI FERRULES and they also seem to be of top quality. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of fitting them from what I can tell. I guessit was worth the wait. Bret from piscator@crosswinds.net Tue May 2 16:32:00 2000 (envelope- from piscator@crosswinds.net) Subject: Tony Young Tony, can't send you e-mail. Will you try to contact me off list? Brian from dickay@alltel.net Tue May 2 20:13:18 2000 UAA18201 Subject: Hallelujah boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFB471.A9477580" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFB471.A9477580 All: I couldn't believe my eyes when I opened my mailbox this =afternoon. Laying in there in a beautiful white envelope was issue 5/6 =of Volume 1 of The Bamboo Fly Rod. Its only taken a year and four =months to get it. Mark promised it to me earlier this year (January I =think) and its finally here. I might even subscribe for another year =now. Had to let you all know.Tight LinesDick Fuhrman` ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFB471.A9477580 let you all know.Tight LinesDick Fuhrman` ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFB471.A9477580-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Tue May 2 20:26:27 2000 SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35);Tue, 2 May 2000 20:14:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Hallelujah Geez, I sent in my payment for a full subscription. I hope I get one too ! Istill haven't received either back issue I paid in advance for either ! GAM----- Original Message ----- Subject: Hallelujah All: I couldn't believe my eyes when I opened my mailbox this afternoon.Laying in there in a beautiful white envelope was issue 5/6 of Volume 1 ofThe Bamboo Fly Rod. Its only taken a year and four months to get it. Markpromised it to me earlier this year (January I think) and its finally here.I might even subscribe for another year now. Had to let you all know.Tight LinesDick Fuhrman` from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Tue May 2 20:33:39 2000 Tue, 2 May 2000 22:33:06 -0300 Subject: Re: Hallelujah boundary="------------8E6B2C88813EBB427518CC90" --------------8E6B2C88813EBB427518CC90 That's just cruel! I got all exited till I realized that is an old copy.Here I thought for an instant that they were up and running! Bummer! Shawn Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: All: I couldn't believe my eyes when I opened my mailbox thisafternoon. Laying in there in a beautiful white envelope was issue5/6 of Volume 1 of The Bamboo Fly Rod. Its only taken a year and fourmonths to get it. Mark promised it to me earlier this year (January Ithink) and its finally here. I might even subscribe for another yearnow. Had to let you all know.Tight LinesDick Fuhrman` --------------8E6B2C88813EBB427518CC90 That's just cruel! I got all exited till I realized that is an old copy.Here I thought for an instant that they were up and running! Bummer! ShawnDick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: in a beautiful white envelope was issue 5/6 of Volume 1 of The BambooFly promised it to me earlier this year (January I think) and its finally know.TightLinesDick Fuhrman` --------------8E6B2C88813EBB427518CC90-- from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Tue May 2 20:36:34 2000 E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 03 May 200009:34:22 +0800 (5.5.2651.58) Rodmakers Subject: RE: Wood Planing Forms Hi Jim,why not make them youself? I managed to do it for an investment ofabout Aus$20 and a day of my time and looking back I'm glad I did. Hell, ifI can do it, anyone can. Besides saving some money I had some fun andlearned a few things as well. This stuff is not rocket science and it won'tblow up in your face if your methods are a bit unorthodox. Look on TonyYoung's web site for the instructions and just go for it. The only thing Imight do differently would be to scrape out the groove using the Penrosemethod rather than plane it. Good luck Mike -----Original Message----- Subject: Wood Planing Forms Does anyone know of a maker of wooden planing forms for sale to theneophyte.Thanks in advance,Jim Tjwt4639@rit.edu from dickay@alltel.net Tue May 2 20:38:56 2000 UAA25052; Subject: Re: Hallelujah boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFB475.44A99140" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFB475.44A99140 Shawn, Its new to me. I've been looking for it on the magazine rack at =the local fly shop and even looked when I was in the Washington, D.C. =area for Easter. Haven't been able to find it. Now I can read all of =the articles. And my collection is complete to date.Dick Fuhrman Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:28 PMSubject: Re: Hallelujah That's just cruel! I got all exited till I realized that is an old =copy. Here I thought for an instant that they were up and running! = = All: I couldn't believe my eyes when I opened my mailbox this =afternoon. Laying in there in a beautiful white envelope was issue 5/6 =of Volume 1 of The Bamboo Fly Rod. Its only taken a year and four =months to get it. Mark promised it to me earlier this year (January I =think) and its finally here. I might even subscribe for another year =now. Had to let you all know.Tight LinesDick Fuhrman` ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFB475.44A99140 rack at the local fly shop and even looked when I was in the Washington, = Dick Fuhrman ----- Original Message ----- Shawn Pineo Cc: Rodmakers List Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 =9:28 PMSubject: Re: HallelujahThat's just cruel! I got all exited till I realized = old copy. Here I thought for an instant that they were up and running! = = ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFB475.44A99140-- from darrell@rockclimbing.org Wed May 3 04:08:00 2000 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9)with SMTP id for Subject: Cork group order? What ever happened to the group cork order... did that ever happen? A wholesaler is selling cork in bags of 1000 for 55 cents per ring. Thequality varies from extra select, Flor, Flor+ and five star (his grading).He says it works out to about 5% - 5 star, 25% Flor+, 30% Flor and the restextra select. It's 1/4" ID I think it's 1.25" OD. I looked at his cork and the extra select was pretty good, perfect forrestorations... it's probably better quality than most vintage rods used.The rest of it looked fine for new rods and special rods. Delivery time is about one week. It's already enroute to him. Seller is areliable source. Minimum 500 rings/person. If anyone is interested indoinga group order with me, please contact me off list. Darrell Leewww.vfish.net from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Wed May 3 05:51:40 2000 Wed, 3 May 2000 07:51:06 -0300 Subject: Re: Hallelujah boundary="------------5D6DD72B388AA7883AB22E21" --------------5D6DD72B388AA7883AB22E21 I have had issue 5/6 vol. 1 for over a year now! I have been waiting issue 5/6 vol. 1 which was sept/oct and nov/dec 1998 with articles onDon Anderson and Joe Arguello? Sorry, Shawn Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: Shawn, Its new to me. I've been looking for it on the magazine rackat the local fly shop and even looked when I was in the Washington,D.C. area for Easter. Haven't been able to find it. Now I can readall of the articles. And my collection is complete to date.DickFuhrman ----- Original Message -----From: Shawn Pineo Cc: Rodmakers ListSent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:28 PMSubject: Re: HallelujahThat's just cruel! I got all exited till I realized that isan old copy. Here I thought for an instant that they were upand running! Bummer! Shawn Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: All: I couldn't believe my eyes when I opened my mailboxthis afternoon. Laying in there in a beautiful whiteenvelope was issue 5/6 of Volume 1 of The Bamboo Fly Rod.Its only taken a year and four months to get it. Markpromised it to me earlier this year (January I think) andits finally here. I might even subscribe for another yearnow. Had to let you all know.Tight LinesDick Fuhrman` --------------5D6DD72B388AA7883AB22E21 been waiting for 7/8 or whatever is supposed to be next. I f we are talkingabout issue 5/6 vol. 1 which was sept/oct and nov/dec 1998 with articleson Don Anderson and Joe Arguello? Sorry, ShawnDick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: looking for it on the magazine rack at the local fly shop and even looked ----- Original Message ----- From:ShawnPineo Cc: RodmakersList Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:28PM Subject: Re: Hallelujah copy. Here I thought for an instant that they were up and running! Bummer! ShawnDick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: in a beautiful white envelope was issue 5/6 of Volume 1 of The BambooFly promised it to me earlier this year (January I think) and its finally know.TightLinesDick Fuhrman` --------------5D6DD72B388AA7883AB22E21-- from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed May 3 05:52:08 2000 Wed, 3 May 2000 18:52:00 +0800 Wed, 3 May 2000 18:51:58 +0800 Subject: APB on Brian Creek Sorry to all on the list for this but I can't get you either Brian. I justreceived a bounced message from your address too.Try getting me via my page, I just tried it and it works from here. My linkis on the bottom of this message. Tony At 05:23 PM 5/2/00 -0400, Brian D. Creek wrote:Tony, can't send you e- mail. Will you try to contact me off list? Brian /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html And this our life, exempt from public haunt,Finds tongues in trees, books in running brooks,Sermons in stones, and good in everything. William Shakespeare, As You Like It /*************************************************************************/ from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed May 3 07:23:57 2000 SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35);Wed, 3 May 2000 07:25:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Hallelujah That's the only issue I've received too. GMA----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Hallelujah I have had issue 5/6 vol. 1 for over a year now! I have been waiting issue 5/6 vol. 1 which was sept/oct and nov/dec 1998 with articles onDon Anderson and Joe Arguello? Sorry, Shawn Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: Shawn, Its new to me. I've been looking for it on the magazine rackat the local fly shop and even looked when I was in the Washington,D.C. area for Easter. Haven't been able to find it. Now I can readall of the articles. And my collection is complete to date.DickFuhrman ----- Original Message -----From: Shawn Pineo Cc: Rodmakers ListSent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:28 PMSubject: Re: HallelujahThat's just cruel! I got all exited till I realized that isan old copy. Here I thought for an instant that they were upand running! Bummer! Shawn Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: All: I couldn't believe my eyes when I opened my mailboxthis afternoon. Laying in there in a beautiful whiteenvelope was issue 5/6 of Volume 1 of The Bamboo Fly Rod.Its only taken a year and four months to get it. Markpromised it to me earlier this year (January I think) andits finally here. I might even subscribe for another yearnow. Had to let you all know.Tight LinesDick Fuhrman` from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Wed May 3 19:25:10 2000 Subject: testing 123.... Is the list down again?? from richjez@enteract.com Wed May 3 19:50:34 2000 (envelope- from richjez@enteract.com) Subject: Re: testing 123.... boundary="=====================_4185143==_.ALT" --=====================_4185143==_.ALT Got your test. I was wondering too.Rich At 09:20 PM 5/3/00 -0400, Shawn Pineo wrote:Is the list down again?? *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > ))):>-- =====================_4185143==_.ALT Got your test. I was wondering too.Rich Is the list down again?? *_____________ ___________________) @/ ||/ ____/||_________________________________________ p;/\ ; / bsp; --=====================_4185143==_.ALT-- from HomeyDKlown@worldnet.att.net Wed May 3 20:05:11 2000 (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP ;Thu, 4 May 2000 01:04:37 +0000 iank@nelson.planet.org.nz,earsdws@duke.edu, FlyfishT@aol.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Rant away! One of these days, Joe... One of these days! Joe C. Byrd wrote: If you do happen to end up in the lower 48 stop by for a single malt.Works MUCH better than valium and it's non-prescription! (Tastesprettydamned good too!) I'm in the Federal Republic of New Jersey. Dennis: When are you ever going to come down here to the Volunteer State andhavesome Hillbilly Scotch with me? I have a quart with some peachesmarinatingin it just awaiting your arrival. Joe from edriddle@mindspring.com Wed May 3 20:14:23 2000 Subject: Re: testing 123.... boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01BFB544.1885F8E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BFB544.1885F8E0 Rich:Mighty quiet aint it..that's still a real tight loop you throwing there. =:- )Ed-----Original Message-----From: Rich Jezioro RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:51 PMSubject: Re: testing 123.... Got your test. I was wondering too.Rich At 09:20 PM 5/3/00 -0400, Shawn Pineo wrote: Is the list down again?? *________________________________)/ @/||/____/||_________________________________________ ))):> > == ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BFB544.1885F8E0 Rich:Mightyquiet = still a real tight loop you throwing there. :-)Ed -----Original = <nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca&g= RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu= <RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu= Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:51 PMSubject: Re: 123....Got your test. I was = wrote: = = = ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BFB544.1885F8E0-- from CCGGLOBAL@aol.com Wed May 3 20:43:16 2000 Subject: Small stream Classic rods Rodmakers: Help ! If you were building your first bamboo rod, what taper would you select of the Classic rod tapers that would make an ideal small stream bamboo rod. Bill Campbell : e-mail: ccgglobal@aol.com from CCGGLOBAL@aol.com Wed May 3 20:46:52 2000 Subject: Varnish and Guides Rodmakers: Help !. What is the prevailing opinion, Do you varnish the bamboo blank, then put on the guides and wraps ?, or Do you put on theguides and wraps and varnish the whole package ? Thanks for your help ! Bill Campbell : e-mail : ccgglobal@aol.com from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed May 3 20:54:12 2000 SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35);Wed, 3 May 2000 20:55:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Small stream Classic rods PHY Midge. GMA----- Original Message ----- Subject: Small stream Classic rods Rodmakers: Help ! If you were building your first bamboo rod, whattaperwould you select of the Classic rod tapers that would make an idealsmallstream bamboo rod. Bill Campbell : e-mail: ccgglobal@aol.com from channer1@rmi.net Wed May 3 21:39:49 2000 Subject: Re: Small stream Classic rods CCGGLOBAL@aol.com wrote: Rodmakers: Help ! If you were building your first bamboo rod, whattaperwould you select of the Classic rod tapers that would make an idealsmallstream bamboo rod. Bill Campbell : e-mail: ccgglobal@aol.comBill;That's easy, the Midge, of courseJohn from horsesho@ptd.net Wed May 3 21:47:45 2000 0000 (204.186.33.29) Subject: Re: Varnish and Guides CCGGLOBAL@aol.com wrote: Rodmakers: Help !. What is the prevailing opinion, Do you varnish thebamboo blank, then put on the guides and wraps ?, or Do you put on theguidesand wraps and varnish the whole package ? Thanks for your help ! Bill Campbell : e-mail : ccgglobal@aol.comI rub on a coat of Tung oil VARNISH (Waterlox brand), let dry,rub with#0000 steel wool, Install Ferrules, Seat, cork rings(grip) guides/silk,3 coats on wraps than 3 thin coats Spar Varnish (Pratt & Lambert #61 orVarmor poly) on whole rod (Dip). Marty from TBOWDEN@halcyon.com Wed May 3 22:53:34 2000 Subject: Bamboo Rodmaking Classes Is anyone aware of a rodbuilding class in Western Washington? I'minterested in taking a class this summer or fall. Thanks from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Wed May 3 23:43:29 2000 21:52:38 PDT Subject: Re: Small stream Classic rods I've been using a little 6' 4 wt. made from the 472Dx Thramer taper formuch of my small stream fishing. Ithas a sweet medium action at 15'-35', and will do a great lazy sidearmroll cast. It is listed at theRodmakers site. Also the PY Midge from the Rodmakers site, as mentioned definition, although it does have an attitude and will lay line out there onthe bigger waters when calledupon. I'm just finishing up a 6'8" F.E. Thomas 3 wt. taper from JackHowell's book, but haven't cast it yet,although I've heard good things about it from many others. This one sportsfull mid wraps so that may stiffenthe action some. Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: Small stream Classic rods Rodmakers: Help ! If you were building your first bamboo rod, what taper would you select of the Classic rod tapers that would make an ideal small stream bamboo rod. Bill Campbell : e-mail: ccgglobal@aol.com from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Wed May 3 23:57:24 2000 E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 04 May 200012:54:21 +0800 (5.5.2651.58) RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Small stream Classic rods Hi Chris,I'd be really interested to hear how the F.E. Thomas 3 wt.performs. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Small stream Classic rods I've been using a little 6' 4 wt. made from the 472Dx Thramer taper formuchof my small stream fishing. It has a sweet medium action at 15'-35', andwill do a great lazy sidearm roll cast. It is listed at the Rodmakers site.Also the PY Midge from the Rodmakers site, as mentioned by others, fitstheshort and sweet definition, although it does have an attitude and will layline out there on the bigger waters when called upon. I'm just finishing upa 6'8" F.E. Thomas 3 wt. taper from Jack Howell's book, but haven't cast ityet, although I've heard good things about it from many others. This onesports full mid wraps so that may stiffen the action some. Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: Small stream Classic rods Rodmakers: Help ! If you were building your first bamboo rod, what taper would you select of the Classic rod tapers that would make an ideal small stream bamboo rod. Bill Campbell : e-mail: ccgglobal@aol.com from irish-george@pacbell.net Thu May 4 01:33:51 2000 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9)with SMTP id for Subject: Gary Howells boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F2_01BFB557.9F043AE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01BFB557.9F043AE0 Today I received Martin Keane's catalog #80. In it, he says that Gary =Howells passed away on April 10th. Does anyone have any information on=this? In the UPS thread I mentioned the "lost" Howells rod that I had =purchased last winter. What I didn't say in that thread was that the =workmanship was impeccable down to the last detail...it is the only rod =I own that I can say that about. I hope that someday I can make a rod =anywhere close to that one. George ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01BFB557.9F043AE0 = information on this? In the UPS thread I mentioned the "lost" Howells rod= workmanship was impeccable down to the last detail...it is the only rod = close to that one. George ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01BFB557.9F043AE0-- from mrmac@tcimet.net Thu May 4 05:57:11 2000 (envelope- from mrmac@tcimet.net) (Win98; I) Subject: Rayon thread? While spinning my wheels waiting on kids at the mall last night, Idrifted into the fabric shop to see if, on a longshot, they might havesilk thread. Nope. But, there *was* some interesting Rayon threadwhich was like the hard to find silk jasper, but in a whole bunch ofchoices for color combinations, and a couple that were like rainbowthread of varying colors. There were two black and whites that lookedreal sharp, but slightly different. So, I picked up a couple spools todink with. I know it's not purist traditional, but there were some realnice colors to choose from. Thread weight was listed as 35 wt.Whatever that translates into as far as 0, 00, etc I don't know. Anyone tried rayon before? Does it do better with color preserver, orwith varnish straightaway? Any particular problems with it used forguides? TIA, regards to all, mac from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu May 4 06:36:21 2000 (envelope- from petermckean@netspace.net.au) VAA19507 Subject: soaking bamboo boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFB60F.E570C1C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFB60F.E570C1C0 I am a newcomer to building bamboo, and so far have produced only eight =rods. Up until this I have done all the preparation of the cane strips =using a block plane; even with Hock irons, that represents an awful lot =of sharpening. I do not really want to start milling, as find a lot of = So, on my current project I am soaking the cane strips prior to planing =the non-tapered strips, and it seems to work a treat; have finished the =butt section and am about to start on the twelve tip strips. These have just been split and trued up, no node pressing or =straightening done yet. They have been soaking now for 36 hours, so =there are quite a few hours work left to do on them before they go to =the oven. Can anybody tell me whether there is any practical limit to how long I =can leave them soaking without damaging the cane? Can I just pull them =out one at a time, sraighten, node press, and plane the 60-degree =angles, which might mean leaving the last of them soak for maybe =another 2 or 3 days, or will that cause problems? Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFB60F.E570C1C0 I am a newcomer to building bamboo,and = produced only eight rods. Up until this I have done all the preparation = cane strips using a block plane; even with Hock irons, that represents = lot of sharpening. I do not really want to start milling, as find a lot = So, on my current project I am soaking= strips prior to planing the non-tapered strips, and it seems to work a = strips. These have just been split and trued = pressing or straightening done yet. They have been soaking now for 36 = there are quite a few hours work left to do on them before they go to = oven. Can anybody tell me whether there is = limit to how long I can leave them soaking without damaging the cane? = just pull them out one at a time, sraighten, node press, and plane the = or 3 days, or will that cause problems? Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFB60F.E570C1C0-- from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Thu May 4 06:51:49 2000 Subject: T&T Commemorative Rods Hi all,I am looking for pictures of T&T Commemorative rods from 1986and 1988. I contacted T&T and got no response so now I am going to youguys. If someone has pics they could scan and send me (preferably) orknow where I could get these photos it would be greatly appreciated.Thanks, Shawn from saltwein@worldnet.att.net Thu May 4 07:15:40 2000 (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP ;Thu, 4 May 2000 12:15:03 +0000 Subject: Re: soaking bamboo Peter, I leave my strips in the soak right up to the time I finish withprliminary planing, just before I heat treat. When I have the stripplaned I let them dry out a few days before heat treating and finalplaning. No problems. Your approach will work fine. Regards, SteveIndependence, MO petermckean wrote: I am a newcomer to building bamboo, and so far have produced onlyeight rods. Up until this I have done all the preparation of the canestrips using a block plane; even with Hock irons, that represents anawful lot of sharpening. I do not really want to start milling, asfind a lot of satisfaction doing it by hand. So, on my current project I am soaking the cane strips prior toplaning the non-tapered strips, and it seems to work a treat; havefinished the butt section and am about to start on the twelve tipstrips. These have just been split and trued up, no node pressing orstraightening done yet. They have been soaking now for 36 hours, sothere are quite a few hours work left to do on them before they go tothe oven. Can anybody tell me whether there is any practical limit to how long Ican leave them soaking without damaging the cane? Can I just pull themout one at a time, sraighten, node press, and plane the 60-degreeangles, which might mean leaving the last of them soak for maybeanother 2 or 3 days, or will that cause problems? Peter from danny.twang@porsgrunnsdagblad.no Thu May 4 07:19:53 2000 Subject: VIRUS WARNING To all...... A new virus has arrived. "I LOVE YOU" is the name of the devil.It has made most of Outlook Express user in Norway infected. It destroys all image files on the disk. WARNING, WARNING, this is serious shit!!!! regardsdanny from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Thu May 4 07:29:09 2000 Internet Mail Serversims.3.5.1999.12.14.10.29.p8)with SMTP id forRODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:27:37 Subject: RE: Small stream Classic rods RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu I built two 3 wts this past winter: the F.E. Thomas 3 wt and the Heddon 7ft 3/4 wt, both from Howell's book. My brother-in-law turned 40 this pastMarch and I had mentioned that he could cast both and select the one hewanted. He did so and jumped on the F.E. Thomas. I had a chance to fish itone day before handing it over and it is really a very nice rod. Very crispand precise. Throws tight loops and can be called upon to throw a long linewhen needed. It also roll casts well, which was a bit of a suprise. I haven't fished the Heddon yet but, from casting it in the park, it isn'ta DT3 wt. Looks like it will need a DT4 or maybe even a WF 5. The DT3 wtline just didn't load it enough for fishing normal distances. Still lookslike a nice rod but definitely not a 3 wt. Hope this helps, Richard -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MichaelSent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 12:53 AM Subject: RE: Small stream Classic rods Hi Chris,I'd be really interested to hear how the F.E. Thomas 3 wt.performs. Cheers MikeBill Campbell : e-mail: ccgglobal@aol.com from Bamboomaker@aol.com Thu May 4 07:34:45 2000 Subject: Re: soaking bamboo Peter, I accidentally forgot about a group of split strips and left them soaking about a week. The water had a ripe odor to it, but the strips were justfine and planed well. I now leave strips to soak for about 24-48 hours. I doadd a couple of drops of bleach into the tube to keep my soaking apparatus from becoming a petri dish. Best regards, Mark Mark C. Lee, M.D.Rochester, MN from rambo2_98@yahoo.com Thu May 4 07:35:16 2000 2000 05:35:13 PDT Subject: Tsuruya Rod I've a friend who has her grandfather's fly rod, aWWII vintage rod with the name Tsuruya on it. Doesanyone know anything about this name? Quality? Worth? Thanks. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger.http://im.yahoo.com/ from 76250.1771@compuserve.com Thu May 4 09:04:17 2000 Subject: Small stream Classic rods Rodmakers Bill-PHY Midge or Wayne's version from his book (pg. 220).If you wantsomethinga little longer/heavier the Driggs at 7'2" and 5 wt is a great rod. Best, Dennis from nobler@satx.rr.com Thu May 4 10:22:02 2000 SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35);Thu, 4 May 2000 10:23:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Tsuruya Rod It sounds Japanese to me, and if from the 1940-50 era, the early rods thatcame during the occupation time. I've heard that there were some qualityrods from Japan, but all I've seen were poor. The ferrules are the bestclue. GMA----- Original Message ----- Subject: Tsuruya Rod I've a friend who has her grandfather's fly rod, aWWII vintage rod with the name Tsuruya on it. Doesanyone know anything about this name? Quality? Worth? Thanks. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger.http://im.yahoo.com/ from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Thu May 4 11:08:26 2000 (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP Thu, 4 May 2000 17:08:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Rayon thread? Ralph, I wrap vitually all my rods with rayon !I use a brand known as Madeira just as is with no preserver.Madeira manufacture a vast range of threads in some superb colours.Try looking at www.madeira.co.uk for some additional information.Regards......Paul Ralph MacKenzie wrote: While spinning my wheels waiting on kids at the mall last night, Idrifted into the fabric shop to see if, on a longshot, they might havesilk thread. Nope. But, there *was* some interesting Rayon threadwhich was like the hard to find silk jasper, but in a whole bunch ofchoices for color combinations, and a couple that were like rainbowthread of varying colors. There were two black and whites that lookedreal sharp, but slightly different. So, I picked up a couple spools todink with. I know it's not purist traditional, but there were some realnice colors to choose from. Thread weight was listed as 35 wt.Whatever that translates into as far as 0, 00, etc I don't know. Anyone tried rayon before? Does it do better with color preserver, orwith varnish straightaway? Any particular problems with it used forguides? TIA, regards to all, mac from jwt4639@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Thu May 4 12:23:27 2000 with ESMTPA id forrodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:23:13 EDT Subject: The virus "I Love You" Rodmakers , Flyfish@lsv.uky.edu Being member of lists sure pays off at times. This morning I opened mymail to find a message from Danny Twang on th Rodmakers list warning usall of the "I Love You" virus. I had no sooner closed out his messagewhen I received about 20 "I Love You" messages via internal lists withinmy university environment. The attack has put our mail systems down for6 hours for scrubbing and removing the damage caused by this virus.Danny's warning sure helped my group who are all on the internal listsand who all received the "I Love You" multiple messages. Thanks to thewarning I put out, none opened the message . Thanks Danny,Jim Tefft - Rochester Institute of Technology from mark_lang@tnb.com Thu May 4 12:46:38 2000 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 May 2000 12:45:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Virus Warning Folks, Below is a something I received at my corporate office on the virussubject. Mark TNB Broadcast 05/04/00 10:40AM >>>If you receive an email message that has I Love You in the subject line donot open it, contact the helpdeskimmediately. The message contains a virus that is much like the Mellisavirus. For more information on thevirus please go the URL below. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2561671,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01 from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Thu May 4 14:09:36 2000 (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id OAA07025 for (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id OAA19864 for Subject: Smallmouth rod? It feels like summer today and the river was running low over the gravel when I drove by this morning. Does anyone have a smallmouthtaper they would like to recommend? I think I want a 7-wt, not over8ft, for throwing hair bugs, larger streamers, etc. There is a 7.5ft Cross Sylph taper in the archives. Two years ago Iscaled it down 1 weight and it's my favorite all-purpose trout rod. Maybe if I scaled it up 1 wt?.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. from GROMBACHERA@phibred.com Thu May 4 14:58:24 2000 Thu, 4 May 2000 15:57:57 -0400 Thu, 4 May 2000 15:57:15 -0400 Subject: RE: T&T Commemorative Rods Shawn, If you can locate any of their older catalogs, you can see a picture in oneof those. I remember one of their catalogs showing about 5 or 6 of themlined up with descriptions. Their commemorative rods were very nice. I'd don't remember the year of that catalog, but it was one I should havekept. Maybe they are in with my yearbooks and college beer mugs. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- Subject: T&T Commemorative Rods Hi all,I am looking for pictures of T&T Commemorative rods from 1986and 1988. I contacted T&T and got no response so now I am going to youguys. If someone has pics they could scan and send me (preferably) orknow where I could get these photos it would be greatly appreciated.Thanks, Shawn from Ivankatt@aol.com Thu May 4 15:02:21 2000 Subject: Re: T&T Commemorative Rods Why in the world would anyone want a T&T Commemorative Rod when onecan own a New Scotland Rod?Bob from ChristopherO@epicrad.com Thu May 4 15:17:32 2000 Subject: small mouth rod try the thramer 678 P (it's either 8 foot for a 6/7 wt line, or 8.6 feet fora 7wt). it casts a long line with authority, but it's slightly heavier thanyour run of the mill 6 wt. the rod i cast belonged to a friend, tim purvis (pro flytyer, and frequentfisher), who aquired it for small mouth fishing on the john day river herein oregon. other thoughts would be the PYH boat or encampment rod (8 ft powerful6/7wt), or the para 16. just a couple of thoughts. tight lines. christopher obuchowski from SSteinzor@atg.state.vt.us Thu May 4 15:56:16 2000 Subject: Rod Database Program Can anyone offer a review of the rodmakers' database shareware programthatwas being offered on the list recently? I started to try to put together myown database using Microsoft Access, and I'd sure like an off- the-rackalternative. from seanmcs@ar.com.au Thu May 4 17:20:07 2000 Fri, 5 May 2000 08:20:57 +1000 Subject: Re: soaking bamboo Peter and others: I would be interested in opinions on this too. Inoticed that the water in which I soaked some cane for up to a weekbecame quite coloured, and it began to "go off" a bit before I threw it out.So something was passing from the cane into the water. Sean petermckean wrote: Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)Encoding: quoted-printable from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Thu May 4 17:34:38 2000 with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) Subject: Re: Rod Database Program Can anyone offer a review of the rodmakers' database shareware programthatwas being offered on the list recently? I started to try to put togethermyown database using Microsoft Access, and I'd sure like an off- the-rackalternative. Seth: I am the program author of Bamboo Rodmakers Database Program. I amsurethat some of the users of the program will speak up and give you theirhonest opinion of the program. I am also forwarding a copy of my reply tothe mailing list for Bamboo Rodmakers Database Program. Some of themembersmight like to respond to you via the Rodmakers List. You can go to http://www.direct-pest.com/brmdp to download the programtosee if you like it. While visiting the webpage subscribe to the mailinglist so that the autoresponder can send you an email with the passwordthatunlocks the installation. I have had a lot of help in developing this program. The Alpha Team whichwas captained by Chris Bogart and the members of the beta team weretrulythe meat and potatoes behind the development of this program. I justplugged the things into the computer. I could not have developed thissoftware without their help. BRMDP took almost 8 months to develop towhere it is now, and we have gone back to the drawing board to add somenewfeatures for the next release. As far as an evaluation, I will not even venture to offer my opinion of thesoftware because I am biased in this case. I'll just sit back and watchwhat the end users have to say about it. That way I can learn more aboutwhere the development might need to go. Thanks for your inquiry Joe from bob@downandacross.com Thu May 4 18:25:21 2000 (envelope- from bob@downandacross.com) (envelope- from bob@downandacross.com) Subject: Re: Rod Database Program Seth:Save yourself the work and use Joe's program. It had some fantastictapers in there already and he is going to add some features soon. I have found it helpful in keeping track of customer details, rod tapers, and rods I am building. Each of these areas can produce very nice reports. There is just so much detail you can input about a rod, that I think you are best off trying it first. I cannot begin to mention every one, but you can input:rod serial numbers, taper, heat regiment, node staggering, nodeless/traditional construction, hex/quad/penta, guide spacing, varnish, guide types, wrap colors, ferrule types size and position, grip type, reelseat types, etc....And all the time you can track suppliers and the cost of the items if you wish.I have not experienced any glitches in the latest release, so I do not have that fear one has about a beta release. This product is worth a go. I am going to pay for the shareware license when I ship off my latest sale rod this month. It really blew away the customer when I faxed him the data sheet on the rod!I will admit that I have set up a taper calculator in MS Works that produces my Hand Mill figures for me quickly when I input the taper, but I use Joe's program for all my cataloging and love it. I think he may include features like that soon.I will be glad to provide answers to any other questions you might have.Best regards,Bob Maulucci Can anyone offer a review of the rodmakers' database sharewareprogramthatwas being offered on the list recently? I started to try to put togethermyown database using Microsoft Access, and I'd sure like an off-the-rackalternative. Bob Maulucci==================================================downandacross.combob@downandacross.com from HomeyDKlown@worldnet.att.net Thu May 4 18:30:54 2000 (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP ;Thu, 4 May 2000 23:30:20 +0000 Subject: Re: Rod Database Program Seth, I had downloaded Joe's database program to my PC at work. I have sincehad to turn the PC in for an "upgrade" to a laptop, but in the shorttime that I was exposed to the program I enjoyed using it. I found itpretty intuitive to use and thought it would be a very useful tool forsomeone like myself who usually writes notes on little snippets of paper(and subsequently loses them!). I also thought it would be especially useful for someone who sells hisrods as a tool for keeping track of clients' purchases and preferences,etc. Give it a try, I don't think you'll be disappointed. Dennis Seth Steinzor wrote: Can anyone offer a review of the rodmakers' database shareware programthatwas being offered on the list recently? I started to try to put togethermyown database using Microsoft Access, and I'd sure like an off- the-rackalternative. from Bamboomaker@aol.com Thu May 4 18:35:05 2000 Subject: Re: soaking bamboo - and some academic stuff . . . Sean, The water will discolor and 'well soaked' cane becomes darker brown incolor (I only flame so I don't know if this applies to blond cane). After roughing the strips, I tend to heat treat them for a longer time in my airgun oven. If you want to 'check' the humidity of your strips after drying, you can put one (or scraps that were soaked and heat treated) in a clear sealedcontainer (a sealed fluorescent tube cover) and put a hygrometer (like the smallones in a humidor) in it and let it equilibrate. If you throw in a couple of cigars, I guess they should stay fine there as well! :.p Purely academic, but since I keep my workshop under 30% humidity, it has taken more than one run through the airgun oven to get my previouslysoaked strips 'dry'. Of course, if I let the bound rough strips sit in my workshop, it will eventually equilibrate over time. So what is 'dry?' I'd be curious to inquire others about this concept. I've read about the carbonizing 'temper' effects on bamboo on the rodmakers articles, and I've heard that some glue quickly after heat treating. Some store their strips in desiccant, and Mr. Cattanach dedicates a page on 'moisture reentry' and recommends using a weight measure. I've built two identical rods, but delayed by one month of moisturereentry. I 'think' that the second one is a bit softer. I know that the second must have been equilibrated to 30% humidity as the planed strips sat in my shop I welcome thoughts on this topic. I haven't checked archives about this topic, but since I was just writing my mind, here it is. Best regards, Mark Mark C. Lee, MD,Rochester, MN from jfreeman@cyberport.com Thu May 4 19:13:49 2000 Subject: Re: Small stream Classic rods The PHY Midge is a great rod, but it doesn't like lead. If you think you'regoing to be doing any nymph fishing, look to something a bit longer with abit more spine - say one of Wayne's 7'+ for five weight. If small streamsand dry flies are what you're looking for, the PHY Midge is a delight - Ilove mine. You just can't get much distance with much lead. Jim----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Small stream Classic rods PHY Midge. GMA----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:42 PMSubject: Small stream Classic rods Rodmakers: Help ! If you were building your first bamboo rod, whattaperwould you select of the Classic rod tapers that would make an idealsmallstream bamboo rod. Bill Campbell : e-mail: ccgglobal@aol.com from jfreeman@cyberport.com Thu May 4 19:18:51 2000 "Rodmakers" , Subject: Re: The virus "I Love You" This sucker hit work and just about shut everybody down. I hear it's allover the nation. Took me about 30 minutes to delete all of the messages.Onething - I did get a message from the CEO that said "I Love You". Can't waitto run into him. Doesn't cause anymore problems that I can tell. Jim----- Original Message ----- ; Subject: The virus "I Love You" Being member of lists sure pays off at times. This morning I opened mymail to find a message from Danny Twang on th Rodmakers list warningusall of the "I Love You" virus. I had no sooner closed out his messagewhen I received about 20 "I Love You" messages via internal lists withinmy university environment. The attack has put our mail systems downfor6 hours for scrubbing and removing the damage caused by this virus.Danny's warning sure helped my group who are all on the internal listsand who all received the "I Love You" multiple messages. Thanks to thewarning I put out, none opened the message . Thanks Danny,Jim Tefft - Rochester Institute of Technology from saltwein@worldnet.att.net Thu May 4 19:48:49 2000 (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP ;Fri, 5 May 2000 00:48:15 +0000 Subject: Re: soaking bamboo Sean, I have no idea what this deep tea color represents. I suspect it is justpigments in the cane. I change the water in my bath as it becomesdiscolored. If you do your rod in any kind of timely manner there willbe no problem. I planed five butts and six tips to the same rod specksin a leisurely manner, and saw no ill affects. Several spare pieces thatI left in the bath forever did start to get a fungus on them. Regards, SteveIndependence, MO Sean McSharry wrote: Peter and others: I would be interested in opinions on this too. Inoticed that the water in which I soaked some cane for up to a weekbecame quite coloured, and it began to "go off" a bit before I threw itout.So something was passing from the cane into the water. Sean petermckean wrote: Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)Encoding: quoted-printable from cheaney@nwol.net Thu May 4 21:34:57 2000 Subject: Help With Some Old Fly Rods boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFB611.ACA113C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFB611.ACA113C0 I have three old fly rods that belonged to my father. They are as =follows: 1) Heddon Deluxe President2) H-I Admiral Deluxe3) H-I Black???? (the last half of the decal is scratched and =unreadable) I know very little about fly rods, and I would like to know if any of =these are particularly rare. I can supply you with more information, if =you will tell me what to look for. I also have a digital camera, so I =can supply jpegs if needed. Thanks in advance for any help you can give =me. Steve Cheaney ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFB611.ACA113C0 I have three old fly rods that belonged to my = They are as follows: 1) Heddon Deluxe President2) H-I Admiral Deluxe3) H-I Black???? (the last half of the decal is = unreadable) I know very little about fly rods, and I would like = you can give me. Steve =Cheaney ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFB611.ACA113C0-- from saweiss@flash.net Thu May 4 21:58:04 2000 Subject: Re: soaking bamboo What happens is called fermentation. In other words, the stuff is growingbacteria, mold, & fungi in the solution. You can change the water daily toreduce the growth, or add a few drops of chlorine bleach to the water.Steve Peter and others: I would be interested in opinions on this too. Inoticed that the water in which I soaked some cane for up to a weekbecame quite coloured, and it began to "go off" a bit before I threw itout.So something was passing from the cane into the water. Sean petermckean wrote: Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)Encoding: quoted-printable from richjez@enteract.com Thu May 4 22:02:25 2000 (envelope- from richjez@enteract.com) Subject: Re: soaking bamboo I have never tried it but a little vinegar in the water should prevent fungus growth. Fungus reproduction requires a certain range of Ph. The added acid will inhibit the funguses reproduction. Now if you add some bamboo shoots and you have the start of a salad. Rich Jezioro At 07:49 PM 5/4/00 -0700, Steve Trauthwein wrote:Sean, I have no idea what this deep tea color represents. I suspect it is justpigments in the cane. I change the water in my bath as it becomesdiscolored. If you do your rod in any kind of timely manner there willbe no problem. I planed five butts and six tips to the same rod specksin a leisurely manner, and saw no ill affects. Several spare pieces thatI left in the bath forever did start to get a fungus on them. Regards, SteveIn *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > ))):> from FISHWOOL@aol.com Thu May 4 22:09:59 2000 Subject: Re: soaking bamboo Sean,Anything that is organic matter will send the water "off" after a while. I generally toss the water out after soaking one rod's set of sticks.Hank. from irish-george@pacbell.net Thu May 4 22:15:13 2000 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9)with SMTP id for Subject: Re: Virus Warning -- a couple of recommended precautions A couple of good ideas from one of the antivirus sites: 1) turn off "preview pane" for Outlook (Carnegie Mellon security expertthinks it may be able to spread this way, too). 2) set up a filter to delete all email messages with "ILOVEYOU" in thesubject area. It is a nasty one. Our IT department (we are a major manufacturer ofnetwork servers) sent out notices first thing this morning and has beenintercepting email from outside with the suspect subject. Still, one gottome via an internal path...just chucked it...no problem. Good luck to everyone. George ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Virus Warning Folks, Below is a something I received at my corporate office on the virussubject. Mark TNB Broadcast 05/04/00 10:40AM >>>If you receive an email message that has I Love You in the subject line donot open it, contact the helpdesk immediately. The message contains avirusthat is much like the Mellisa virus. For more information on the virusplease go the URL below. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2561671,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01 from pmgoodwin@earthlink.net Thu May 4 22:57:04 2000 Subject: Re: Help With Some Old Fly Rods boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A1_01BFB624.92A49240" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01BFB624.92A49240 Steve, You can get an idea of their value here: http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/canecoun/VALUE.htm Paul Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 10:42 PMSubject: Help With Some Old Fly Rods I have three old fly rods that belonged to my father. They are as =follows: 1) Heddon Deluxe President2) H-I Admiral Deluxe3) H-I Black???? (the last half of the decal is scratched and =unreadable) I know very little about fly rods, and I would like to know if any of =these are particularly rare. I can supply you with more information, if =you will tell me what to look for. I also have a digital camera, so I =can supply jpegs if needed. Thanks in advance for any help you can give =me. Steve Cheaney ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01BFB624.92A49240 Steve, You can get an idea of their value =here: http://www.gorp.=com/cl_angle/canecoun/VALUE.htm Paul ----- Original Message ----- Cheaney = Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 = PMSubject: Help With Some Old Fly= Rods I have three old fly rods that belonged to my = They are as follows: 1) Heddon Deluxe President2) H-I Admiral Deluxe3) H-I Black???? (the last half of the decal is = and unreadable) I know very little about fly rods, and I would = you can give me. Cheaney ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01BFB624.92A49240-- from Turbotrk@aol.com Thu May 4 23:01:45 2000 Subject: Re: Rayon thread? In a message dated 00-05-04 07:01:40 EDT, mrmac@tcimet.net writes: Mac on my first rod I was very frustrated with the ups god. I had ordered silk and it just never came. I did the exact thing you did and found that the rayon was very strong and looked great until I put anything on it. The jasper you talked about turned almost black when the finish hit it. I only wanted to make a signiture wrap and it ended up as a very dark nondiscript ugly wrap. I learned a very good leason. Experiment on a dowel, not a rod. my 2 cents stuart miller from Turbotrk@aol.com Thu May 4 23:11:01 2000 Subject: Re: soaking bamboo Quat sanatizer may be better then bleach. I have found that you can use very small concentrations and not see any side affects such as bleaching. I get it from were I work and dilute it 100% from the idustrial grade. Stuart Miller from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Thu May 4 23:18:39 2000 21:28:07 PDT Subject: Re: Help With Some Old Fly Rods Steve, I'm not sure about the rarity of the H-I rods, but the Deluxe President isone of the higher grade Heddons. Irestored one once that had gold wraps with dark green tipping. It was an 81/2' 1 3/4 F ferrule 3 pc.Blackened ferrules and had the green tipping at both ends of the wrap onthe hookkeeper and the ferrules, sothat was a little unusual. There is an H-I Black Beauty listed in Sinclair's book that sold for $5 inthe early 20's in a range of rodsselling at 85 cents to $18.00, that will help you know where it sat in thefoodchain when it was made. Ididn't see any reference to the Admiral Deluxe. Chris McDowell- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: Help With Some Old Fly Rods I have three old fly rods that belonged to my father. They are as follows: 1) Heddon Deluxe President2) H-I Admiral Deluxe3) H-I Black???? (the last half of the decal is scratched and unreadable) I know very little about fly rods, and I would like to know if any of theseare particularly rare. I cansupply you with more information, if you will tell me what to look for. Ialso have a digital camera, so Ican supply jpegs if needed. Thanks in advance for any help you can giveme. Steve Cheaney from timklein@uswest.net Fri May 5 00:44:15 2000 (63.225.127.138) Subject: Re: The virus "I Love You" In our company, the IT department was pretty embarrassed by the factthatthey were the ones who opened it first and got the whole thing rolling! Ieven received copies from the Director of Information Technology and thehead of our data security program. Being 2 hours behind the east coast, we were pretty lucky at our site. With45 copies of this thing in my e-mail box it was pretty obvious thatsomething was amiss. Still, we had about a 15% to 20% infection rate. Iworkin the Business Systems group (AS400 software), but we were recruitedtohelp our desktop group disinfect systems. Pretty much killed my day (and evening). Believe it or not, I was planning to go fishing after work. Didn't make ithome 'till nearly 10pm though. Maybe they'll give me some comp time on Friday >. ---Tim "I'm proud to pay taxes in the United States; the only thing is, I could bejust as proud for half the money"- Arthur Godfrey ----- Original Message ----- Rodmakers ; Subject: Re: The virus "I Love You" This sucker hit work and just about shut everybody down. I hear it's allover the nation. Took me about 30 minutes to delete all of the messages.Onething - I did get a message from the CEO that said "I Love You". Can'twaitto run into him. Doesn't cause anymore problems that I can tell. Jim----- Original Message -----From: "Jim Tefft" ; Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 10:24 AMSubject: The virus "I Love You" Being member of lists sure pays off at times. This morning I opened mymail to find a message from Danny Twang on th Rodmakers list warningusall of the "I Love You" virus. I had no sooner closed out his messagewhen I received about 20 "I Love You" messages via internal listswithinmy university environment. The attack has put our mail systems downfor6 hours for scrubbing and removing the damage caused by this virus.Danny's warning sure helped my group who are all on the internal listsand who all received the "I Love You" multiple messages. Thanks to thewarning I put out, none opened the message . Thanks Danny,Jim Tefft - Rochester Institute of Technology from timklein@uswest.net Fri May 5 00:52:37 2000 (63.225.127.138) Subject: Copycat Virus - "Very Funny" boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFB623.D35A8A20" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFB623.D35A8A20 Just read about a copycat virus that isn't necessarily picked up by =virus protection software that has been updated to catch the "Lovebug" http://cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/05/04/iloveyou.03/index.html They're expecting plenty more copycats over the next few days. Hunker down and don't open any attachments. ---Tim "I'm proud to pay taxes in the United States; the only thing is, I could =be just as proud for half the money"- Arthur Godfrey ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFB623.D35A8A20 Just read about a copycat virus that isn't = "Lovebug" =http://cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/05/04/iloveyou.03/index.html They're expecting plenty more copycats over thenext = days. Hunker down and don't open any =attachments. ---Tim "I'm proud to pay taxes in the United States; the = Godfrey ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFB623.D35A8A20-- from danny.twang@porsgrunnsdagblad.no Fri May 5 01:44:25 2000 Subject: VIRUS COPYCAT The latest copycat virus descovered here in Norway is called "JOKES", danny from petermckean@netspace.net.au Fri May 5 06:28:02 2000 (envelope- from petermckean@netspace.net.au) VAA11421 Subject: soaking bamboo boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFB6D8.41F61260" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFB6D8.41F61260 Thanks for the advice, especially re in-tank fermentation. I think what =I will do is do the strips one at a time, and at my very slow hobbyist =pace that will mean they soak for a max of 5 days. If I run into any =problems, I will pass it on. Agree, though, that even after 48 hours, =the water is starting to look very, very manky - a bit like the wort in =home brewing, but doesn't smell as good. But then, what does? Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFB6D8.41F61260 Thanks for the advice, especially re = at my very slow hobbyist pace that will mean they soak for a max = If I run into any problems, I will pass it on. Agree, though, that even = hours, the water is starting to look very, very manky - a bit like the = home brewing, but doesn't smell as good. But then, what =does? Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFB6D8.41F61260-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri May 5 07:25:14 2000 SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35);Fri, 5 May 2000 07:26:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Help With Some Old Fly Rods I can find no reference to the H-I's, but they made so many, this is notunusual. Heddon was the cream of the production rods, and your model isoneof their best. It all depends on how it was cared for, as to it's worth.Many covet the better Heddon production. GMA----- Original Message ----- Subject: Help With Some Old Fly Rods I have three old fly rods that belonged to my father. They are as follows: 1) Heddon Deluxe President2) H-I Admiral Deluxe3) H-I Black???? (the last half of the decal is scratched and unreadable) I know very little about fly rods, and I would like to know if any of theseare particularly rare. I can supply you with more information, if you willtell me what to look for. I also have a digital camera, so I can supplyjpegs if needed. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Steve Cheaney from grau@buchlang.com Fri May 5 07:30:27 2000 Subject: Re: Help With Some Old Fly Rods The Number 3 must be the legendary "Black Beauty" - think the taper is intheRodmakers Archive. Regards Stefan nobler schrieb: I can find no reference to the H-I's, but they made so many, this is notunusual. Heddon was the cream of the production rods, and your model isoneof their best. It all depends on how it was cared for, as to it's worth.Many covet the better Heddon production. GMA----- Original Message -----From: "Cheaney" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 9:42 PMSubject: Help With Some Old Fly Rods I have three old fly rods that belonged to my father. They are as follows: 1) Heddon Deluxe President2) H-I Admiral Deluxe3) H-I Black???? (the last half of the decal is scratched and unreadable) I know very little about fly rods, and I would like to know if any of theseare particularly rare. I can supply you with more information, if youwilltell me what to look for. I also have a digital camera, so I can supplyjpegs if needed. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Steve Cheaney --Lang Info AccessDatenbanken - CD Rom - InternetliteraturInternet: http://www.buchlang.com/infoaccess/Stefan GrauInformation ConsultantMènzgraben 2CH-3011 Berne/SwitzerlandPhone: 031 310 84 84direct phone: ++41 ( 0 ) 31 310 84 78fax: 310 84 94ausgenommen:Montag vormittag,Dienstag nachmittagMittwoch ganzer Tag---------------------------------------------------------------Sicherheits-Hinweis: Diese elektronische Post ist nur fèr den oder die Empf€nger, welchein der Adress-Zeile genannt werden bestimmt!Falls Sie nicht zu diesen gehåren, verståsst jede- unerlaubte Kopie,- unerlaubte Weiterleitung,- unerlaubte Kenntnisnahme, auch vermutlich oeffentlicher Inhalte,- und unerlaubte Verbreitung der enthaltenen Nachricht(en),sowie jeder anderer unautorisierte Gebrauch gegen geltendes Recht. Falls Sie nicht zu den in der Adresszeile genannten Empf€nger(n) gehåren,so bitten wir Sie um Kontaktnahme des Absenders und Zerstårungder betreffenden Daten von Ihrem Computer._________________________________________ Security-Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the personor entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidentialand/or privileged material.Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, ortaking of any action in reliance upon, this information bypersons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.If you received this in error, please contact the sender and deletethe material from any computer. from grau@buchlang.com Fri May 5 07:43:29 2000 Subject: Re: Help With Some Old Fly Rods ups - i`m sorry - i`m not so familiar with american rods - i`m theeuropean guy *lol* Regards Stefan Grhghlndr@aol.com schrieb: # 3 is not the Black Beauty because it was made by Heddon not H &I.Bret --Lang Info AccessDatenbanken - CD Rom - InternetliteraturInternet: http://www.buchlang.com/infoaccess/Stefan GrauInformation ConsultantMènzgraben 2CH-3011 Berne/SwitzerlandPhone: 031 310 84 84direct phone: ++41 ( 0 ) 31 310 84 78fax: 310 84 94ausgenommen:Montag vormittag,Dienstag nachmittagMittwoch ganzer Tag---------------------------------------------------------------Sicherheits-Hinweis: Diese elektronische Post ist nur fèr den oder die Empf€nger, welchein der Adress-Zeile genannt werden bestimmt!Falls Sie nicht zu diesen gehåren, verståsst jede- unerlaubte Kopie,- unerlaubte Weiterleitung,- unerlaubte Kenntnisnahme, auch vermutlich oeffentlicher Inhalte,- und unerlaubte Verbreitung der enthaltenen Nachricht(en),sowie jeder anderer unautorisierte Gebrauch gegen geltendes Recht. Falls Sie nicht zu den in der Adresszeile genannten Empf€nger(n)gehåren,so bitten wir Sie um Kontaktnahme des Absenders und Zerstårungder betreffenden Daten von Ihrem Computer._________________________________________ Security-Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the personor entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidentialand/or privileged material.Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, ortaking of any action in reliance upon, this information bypersons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.If you received this in error, please contact the sender and deletethe material from any computer. from BJCarlson@webtv.net Fri May 5 08:36:02 2000 ESMTP id 8E2132CB56 144.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id ETAsAhQ4yxzUuz1gEtj+NVkgBbTeljvQhAIUeN+wolT60ItnA7mIxYGEGi1illI= Subject: A real he-mans rod If any of you have any interest in old tournament trout fly distancerods - here's a beauty. One of my friends allowed my to document one ofhis rods from 1955. One of the members of the local casting club, and aworld class caster, went to Sewell Dunton and purchased three blanks tohis custom tapers. The same person that worked with Dr. Howland,developing the first fiberglass tapers, at Owens Corning in Toledobefore Shakespeare bought into the patent. Overall length is 9 ft 3/4 in assembled. 1940 NAACC rules limited a 10ft rod with 5 3/4 oz max wt. But they had unlimited weight at 9 1/2 ftor less. Most casters went to the shorter, heavier rods. Weighed on apost office digital scale. 6.8 oz. Dark tempered cane. Not anything like the so called "chemical tempered"cane that the Montagues were known for. Half wells 6 1/2 in grip.Contoured to fit the casters hand. Small Shakespeare green anodizedalum "snap lock" reel seat. Cut down to 2 7/8 in. Ferrules arestraight drawn N/S, rolled welt. Female 2 1/4 in. Male 1 3/4 in.16/64". Perfection tip and snakes. Mildrum stripper. Tip - overall length = 53 5/8 in.0" .096 .096 .0965" .109 .109 .10910" .129 .129 .12915" .143 .144 .14220" .163 .166 .16625" .177 .183 .18030" .197 .199 .19935" .210 .205 .20440" .225 .226 .22545" .235 .237 .23750" .248 .250 .250 Butt - overall length = 56 in.55" .258 .255 .25460" .278 .276 .27865" .299 .297 .29470" .339 .336 .33575" .363 .353 .36180" .388 .379 .39085" .415 .412 .41390" .440 .438 .43495" .458 .458 .46399" .460 .470 .460 Guide spacing - Large Perfection Pear tip, 4 1/4", 10", 16", 23 1/4",32", 41 1/8", 49 3/4", 56", 68 1/2", 78 1/2"stripper. The owners comments were that he never could handle the weight. Neededa sling for his arm at the end of the event. I cast it with a silk GBF"Shooting Star" Rocket Taper. One false cast and it was into thebacking, but it wanted a heavier line. After 10 minutes I thought myarm was going to fall off. The owner of this rod has an interest in nostalgia so he is going aroundtown to see if he can collect more distance and accuracy rods, so thatwe can document more, but many of the old timers are dead and many ofthe home built rods are lost forever. Bob from rambo2_98@yahoo.com Fri May 5 08:48:37 2000 06:48:34 PDT Subject: suggestions for Colorado trout fishing? I will be in Colorado in the June/July timeframe andwonder if anyone who is in the know can suggest somegood trout water. I will be up in Ft Collins but willtravel all the way to the Southeastern part of thestate (where I hear it's good). Can good fishing behad in July? I'm from Pennsylvania where July fishingis usually not very good because of the watertemperature. Thanks in advance for any information. Jeff Ramsey __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger.http://im.yahoo.com/ from BJCarlson@webtv.net Fri May 5 10:23:56 2000 ESMTP id 1804A2D111 143.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id ETAtAhUAszJ9IYONYRyHwQCvP1rxwnMJVWUCFHvImavdMncewAmfB4S2r8Y/ct1V Subject: A real he-mans rod Forgot - Owner said he brushed two thin coats of spar varnish. I woulddeduct .003. Said he balanced this rod with a Medalist 1496. Bob from darrell@rockclimbing.org Fri May 5 10:28:05 2000 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9)with SMTP id for Subject: RE: Help With Some Old Fly Rods boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFB66B.12E337E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFB66B.12E337E0 The Admiral by H-I was a very late rod... I've seen pics on one on ebay awhile back... It's one of their top quality rods... If I remember, it was animpregnated cane rod. it might also have been one of their Registeredseriesrods... As far as the #3 Unless it was a private label rod, we should rule out thatit was a Heddon as they did not use decals except for some private labelrods. If you want more help on the rods, please contact me off list. Darrell Leewww.vfish.net-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 7:43 PM Subject: Help With Some Old Fly Rods I have three old fly rods that belonged to my father. They are asfollows: 1) Heddon Deluxe President2) H-I Admiral Deluxe3) H-I Black???? (the last half of the decal is scratched and unreadable) I know very little about fly rods, and I would like to know if any ofthese are particularly rare. I can supply you with more information, if youwill tell me what to look for. I also have a digital camera, so I cansupply jpegs if needed. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Steve Cheaney ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFB66B.12E337E0 Admiral by H-I was a very late rod... I've seen pics on one on ebay a = impregnated cane rod. it might also have been one of their Registered = rods... as the #3 Unless it was a private label rod, we should rule out that it = Heddon as they did not use decals except for some private label rods. If = want more help on the rods, please contact me off =list. Darrell Leewww.vfish.net CheaneySent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 7:43 = rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Help With Some Old Rods I have three old fly rods that belonged to my = They are as follows: 1) Heddon Deluxe President2) H-I Admiral Deluxe3) H-I Black???? (the last half of the decal is = and unreadable) I know very little about fly rods, and I would = you can give me. Cheaney ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFB66B.12E337E0-- from rfjoinery@creativequest.com Fri May 5 10:31:04 2000 suzie.brick.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP idKAA21711 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:23:43 Subject: node straightening Where can I find plans for a bending rig for straightening nodes? I recallseeing one, but can't remember where. It was a 3-sided clamp arrangementthat could be built from hardwood. Thanks. from jmpio@nhbm.com Fri May 5 10:31:42 2000 (5.0.1459.74) Subject: Reel A little off topic, but I knew you would guys would have some answers production rod. It casts a 5 or 6 wt line nicely, and I will use thisrod for trout in small and medium sized streams. I need/want a heavierreel for this rod than I own so was looking at used/older reels. Thereally old Pfluger Progress reels, in brass, are very attractive to me,though I've never seen one in person. Are they actually useable? Dothey have any kind of click drag or anti-overrun device? And, in ageneral sense, if they are still in one piece can they be cleaned up andmade to work? I see a lot of them on the auction boards that the sellerhas no idea whether they work, except that they still turn with maybe alittle sticking. Opinions on this reel and whether it might make a nicematch for an old piece of cane? from cheaney@nwol.net Fri May 5 11:14:37 2000 Subject: I've Learned Some More About the Old Fly Rods boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01BFB684.2BAF24A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BFB684.2BAF24A0 Thanks for the overwhelming response to my e-mail of last night. I have =learned several things about the rods as a result of e-mail that I = The following is hand written in cursive writing on the Heddon rod: HeddonDeluxePresident#50 - 8 1/2' - 2F - HDH or E I'm not sure how the rating system works for fly rods, but the rod shows =only signs of wear from use. There are no bent ferrules, no wrapping =breaks, and no breaks in the rod itself. The rod appears to be in the original bag. There is a tag on the bag =with the following information handwritten on it: No. 50 Lgth. 8 1/2Fer. 2 Wt. WLS 4 1/2 oz. (The WLS could also be W65, =WL5, or W6L)FinalInspector's O.K. LS The Rod and bag are in what I would guess is the original tube. It is a =copper colored tube with Heddon written on the cap. The cap is slightly = I have also learned that the mystery H-I is a Black River fly and =casting rod. It appears to be in its original bag and tube. The fly rod =tip was broken at the ferrule next to the tip. It has been pretty well =repaired, but the thread color doesn't match. The casting tip is in =excellent condition. The bag has a tag with H-I and Blue River printed =on it. The word River is barely legible. The tube is aluminum in color =and has no markings. The cap threads work fine. After I removed it from the tube, I discovered that the Admiral Deluxe =is a glass spinning rod. The following information is written in =cursive on the rod: H-I Admiral DeluxeRegistered #5020 There is a decal above the writing with H-I Power Glass printed on it =and "410- 32" written on the decal in cursive. There is a damage to the =wrapping at the ferrule nearest the handle. Otherwise, the rod appears =to be in excellent shape. The bag has a printed tag with the following information printed on it: AdmiralDeluxe Tubular GlassRegistered Spinning RodNo. 410-32 Price $27.50Horrocks-IbbotsonUtica, New York The tube is black cardboard with a decal that says "An H-I Registered =Rod", the best I can make out. The decal has partially flaked off, but =otherwise the tube is in excellent condition. The cap threads work =fine. I think this should answer everyone's questions about the rods. I think =additional details would have to be transmitted by jpeg images. After =seeing the level of interest in buying the rods, I'm considering selling =them as they haven't been out of the tubes in over 20 years. Again, thanks to all for all the responses. Steve Cheaney ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BFB684.2BAF24A0 Thanks for the overwhelming response to my e-mailof = The following is hand written in cursive writing on= rod:HeddonDeluxePresident#50 - 8 1/2' - 2F - HDH EI'm not sure how the rating system works for fly rods, but the = breaks, and no breaks in the rod itself.The rod appears to be in = W6L)FinalInspector's O.K. LSThe Rod and bag are in what= I have also learned that the mystery H-I is a Black = = casting = fine. After I removed it from the tube, I discovered that = written in cursive on the rod: H-I Admiral DeluxeRegistered #5020 There is a decal above the writing with H-I Power = the rod appears to be in excellent shape. The bag has a printed tag with the following = printed on it: AdmiralDeluxe Tubular GlassRegistered Spinning Rod $27.50Horrocks-IbbotsonUtica, New York The tube is black cardboard with a decal that says = work fine. I think this should answer everyone's questions = the rods, I'm considering selling them as they haven't been out of the = over 20 years. Again, thanks to all for all the =responses. Steve Cheaney ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BFB684.2BAF24A0-- from rmoon@ida.net Fri May 5 11:22:41 2000 Subject: Re: node straightening Where can I find plans for a bending rig for straightening nodes? It is in Ray Gould's bookRalph from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri May 5 14:06:07 2000 SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35);Fri, 5 May 2000 13:43:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Help With Some Old Fly Rods I've never seen an H-I without a decal ! Which were they Darrell ? GMA----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Help With Some Old Fly Rods The Admiral by H-I was a very late rod... I've seen pics on one on ebay awhile back... It's one of their top quality rods... If I remember, it wasanimpregnated cane rod. it might also have been one of their Registeredseriesrods... As far as the #3 Unless it was a private label rod, we should rule outthatit was a Heddon as they did not use decals except for some private labelrods. If you want more help on the rods, please contact me off list. Darrell Leewww.vfish.net-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 7:43 PM Subject: Help With Some Old Fly Rods I have three old fly rods that belonged to my father. They are asfollows: 1) Heddon Deluxe President2) H-I Admiral Deluxe3) H-I Black???? (the last half of the decal is scratched andunreadable) I know very little about fly rods, and I would like to know if any ofthese are particularly rare. I can supply you with more information, ifyouwill tell me what to look for. I also have a digital camera, so I cansupply jpegs if needed. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Steve Cheaney from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Fri May 5 15:52:27 2000 11:57:12 PDT Subject: Re: Reel I've got an early 1920's Pfleuger Sal-Trout #1554 in about size 3 1/2"that I've never used for fishing, butwhat it has is a button on the back that engages and disengages the drag.With no drag it just free spools,with the drag on it is a pretty tight click drag with equal tension goingforward or backward. It's muchlouder then I would personally like on a fishing stream and kind of jerky,but as for nostalgia it wouldcompliment your fly rod. This one looks like aluminum with a brass footand brass pins etc. Because of thethin frame and floral cutouts I would estimate it weighs about the sameas most of the modern reels. Chris- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: Reel A little off topic, but I knew you would guys would have some answers production rod. It casts a 5 or 6 wt line nicely, and I will use thisrod for trout in small and medium sized streams. I need/want a heavierreel for this rod than I own so was looking at used/older reels. Thereally old Pfluger Progress reels, in brass, are very attractive to me,though I've never seen one in person. Are they actually useable? Dothey have any kind of click drag or anti-overrun device? And, in ageneral sense, if they are still in one piece can they be cleaned up andmade to work? I see a lot of them on the auction boards that the sellerhas no idea whether they work, except that they still turn with maybe alittle sticking. Opinions on this reel and whether it might make a nicematch for an old piece of cane? from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Fri May 5 17:08:50 2000 svc.ntlworld.com(InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP Fri, 5 May 2000 23:08:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Rayon thread? I'll second that comment.Despite the fact that I use 'Madeira'rayon alot on my rods some colours just go very dark when coated withpolyurethane.Please try out your method on a whipped/wrapped bit ofdowel first..........good luck........Paul. Turbotrk@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 00-05-04 07:01:40 EDT, mrmac@tcimet.net writes: drifted into the fabric shop to see if, on a longshot, they might havesilk thread. Nope. But, there *was* some interesting Rayon threadwhich was like the hard to find silk jasper, but in a whole bunch ofchoices for color combinations, and a couple that were like rainbowthread of varying colors. There were two black and whites that lookedreal sharp, but slightly different. So, I picked up a couple spools todink with. I know it's not purist traditional, but there were some realnice colors to choose from. Thread weight was listed as 35 wt.Whatever that translates into as far as 0, 00, etc I don't know. Anyone tried rayon before? Does it do better with color preserver, orwith varnish straightaway? Any particular problems with it used forguides? TIA, regards to all, mac >>Mac on my first rod I was very frustrated with the ups god. I had orderedsilk and it just never came. I did the exact thing you did and found thatthe rayon was very strong and looked great until I put anything on it. Thejasper you talked about turned almost black when the finish hit it. Ionlywanted to make a signiture wrap and it ended up as a very dark nondiscriptugly wrap. I learned a very good leason. Experiment on a dowel, not arod. my 2 cents stuart miller from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Fri May 5 17:22:23 2000 Fri, 5 May 2000 19:21:50 -0300 Subject: Re: Small stream Classic rods totake it down a foot and a line wt. For the more experienced builder, the7'0" 3wt FE Thomas with swelled butt that Reed Curry posted in the archives. OrWaynesSir D built as a 3pc 2 wt 6'3" (good pack rod)Shawn CCGGLOBAL@aol.com wrote: Rodmakers: Help ! If you were building your first bamboo rod, whattaperwould you select of the Classic rod tapers that would make an idealsmallstream bamboo rod. Bill Campbell : e-mail: ccgglobal@aol.com from dblanken@rica.net Sat May 6 08:52:56 2000 0000 Subject: Morgan Mill, Quad OK you mill users (Tom, if you're listening), anyone have a height\widthtable or the conversion factor for figuring spline width from height for aquad (90 degree angle) taper? Thanks, David from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Sat May 6 09:06:11 2000 Internet Mail Serversims.3.5.1999.12.14.10.29.p8)with SMTP id forrodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 6 May 2000 10:04:13 Subject: Silk line bonanza I came across quite a find last night: eight silk fly lines well-preservedon drying racks. (Sometimes, we get really lucky.) I now need info onrestoring them. I've read in the archives that Rodmakers's very own Darrylhas recently written and submitted an article on this subject to BambooFlyRod magazine. Since the date of the release of the next issue of themagazine is, um, indeterminate (let's not revisit this subject guys), andI'd like to fish these lines this spring, I'd appreciate a synopsis of thebest technique or any links about silk line restoration. Pleeeeaaase Darryl????? Thanks in advance, Richard from freaner@home.com Sat May 6 09:20:21 2000 (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP Subject: Re: Morgan Mill, Quad At 10:03 AM -0400 , 5/6/00, David Blankenship wrote about Morgan Mill,QuadOK you mill users (Tom, if you're listening), anyone have a height\widthtable or the conversion factor for figuring spline width from height for aquad (90 degree angle) taper? Thanks, David a_________________b|\ /| \ /| \ /| \ /| / d| /| /|/c The distance a-d is exactly 1/2 of the distance b-c The distance a-b is equal to the distance b-c divided by square root 2 (1.41421) The angle abc is a 45 degree angle. You can also calculate the distance a-b as being = the distance b-c times the cosine of 45 degrees (.70710) Claude from bob@downandacross.com Sat May 6 09:35:26 2000 (envelope- from bob@downandacross.com) (envelope- from bob@downandacross.com) Subject: Re: Silk line bonanza Go to Darryl's site http://vfish.netBoth Reed and Darryl's methods are there.Use Reed Curry's method with the baking soda. 1/3 box of baking soda to 1 gallon of H20. Works great. Formby's tung oil works great for the finish right out of the can. I have done three lines this way and they are great. You may only need some Mucillin if they are so well preserved. I would hesitate to do anything more than polish them with talc if they are not all sticky and gooey.Don't use any unnecessarily strong solvent.Bob At 09:34 AM 5/6/00 -0400, you wrote:I came across quite a find last night: eight silk fly lines well-preservedon drying racks. (Sometimes, we get really lucky.) I now need info onrestoring them. I've read in the archives that Rodmakers's very ownDarrylhas recently written and submitted an article on this subject to BambooFlyRod magazine. Since the date of the release of the next issue of themagazine is, um, indeterminate (let's not revisit this subject guys), andI'd like to fish these lines this spring, I'd appreciate a synopsis of thebest technique or any links about silk line restoration. Pleeeeaaase Darryl????? Thanks in advance, Richard Bob Maulucci==================================================downandacross.combob@downandacross.com from BJCarlson@webtv.net Sat May 6 09:45:01 2000 ESMTP id 3385F2023 145.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id ETAtAhRvluJWCKfQ2T+355/BMQEPlkINvAIVAMmQoIxU0W4x5ocFyWE6Hry/LZY6 Subject: Tapers I have come across some tapers for old rods that are stated in 6"centers and 64's of an inch. I have searched the archives and all mybooks to see if there is a quick and dirty way to transpose these to 5"centers. I'm sure it can be done, I just don't know where to start. TIA Bob from pmgoodwin@earthlink.net Sat May 6 10:41:57 2000 Subject: Re: Tapers Hi, the easiest way to do it is to convert to 1" measurements first. Take the difference between two adjacent measurements. Divide thedifference by 6 and subtract the result from the larger of the twonumbers.This gives you the first 1" measurement. Then subtract the 1/6thdifference from the 1" result and that gives you the next point. do this for the five1 inch intervals between the 6" invervals. Repet this for all the 6" intervals. You can now take every fifth andyou'll have the 5" interval taper. This is where an excell spread sheet really comes in handy. Paul ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Tapers I have come across some tapers for old rods that are stated in 6"centers and 64's of an inch. I have searched the archives and all mybooks to see if there is a quick and dirty way to transpose these to 5"centers. I'm sure it can be done, I just don't know where to start. TIA Bob from DNHayashida@aol.com Sat May 6 11:37:54 2000 Subject: Re: Silk line bonanza Reed Curry is Mr. Silk. His reconditioning regimen is the best one. It'sbeen posted in a few places, I saw it on the Flyanglersonline site.Darryl I came across quite a find last night: eight silk fly lines well-preservedon drying racks. (Sometimes, we get really lucky.) I now need info onrestoring them. I've read in the archives that Rodmakers's very ownDarrylhas recently written and submitted an article on this subject to BambooFlyRod magazine. Since the date of the release of the next issue of themagazine is, um, indeterminate (let's not revisit this subject guys), andI'd like to fish these lines this spring, I'd appreciate a synopsis of thebest technique or any links about silk line restoration. Pleeeeaaase Darryl????? from DNHayashida@aol.com Sat May 6 11:40:14 2000 Subject: Re: Silk line bonanza Great site, but not mine....Darryl Go to Darryl's site http://vfish.net from bob@downandacross.com Sat May 6 12:07:01 2000 (envelope- from bob@downandacross.com) (envelope- from bob@downandacross.com)Message-Id: Subject: Darrell vs. Darryl Sorry for confusing my Darryls ....I mean Darrells.Best regards,BobBob Maulucci==================================================downandacross.combob@downandacross.com from darrell@rockclimbing.org Sat May 6 14:47:39 2000 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9)with SMTP id for Subject: RE: Silk line bonanza "Rodmakers (E-mail)" Here's Reed Curry's excellent article on silk line refinishing. http://vfish.net/silkrecon2.htm I also just added a silk thread chart for those interested. This is based onSinclair's rod wrapping thread chart. http://vfish.net/silkchart.htm Darrell -----Original Message----- Subject: Silk line bonanza I came across quite a find last night: eight silk fly lines well-preservedon drying racks. (Sometimes, we get really lucky.) I now need info onrestoring them. I've read in the archives that Rodmakers's very own Darrylhas recently written and submitted an article on this subject to BambooFlyRod magazine. Since the date of the release of the next issue of themagazine is, um, indeterminate (let's not revisit this subject guys), andI'd like to fish these lines this spring, I'd appreciate a synopsis of thebest technique or any links about silk line restoration. Pleeeeaaase Darryl????? Thanks in advance, Richard from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Sat May 6 17:58:05 2000 16:08:05 PDT Subject: Hardy fiberglass blank Can I assume that finishing out a fiberglass blank is mostly the same asthe process for finishing out abamboo blank minus the varnish? What is used over the wraps of afiberglass blank? Any other recommendationsor tips would be appreciated. I've never worked with glass or graphite, andwanted to verify the processbefore I accept a project. Thanks. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from channer1@rmi.net Sat May 6 19:30:59 2000 Subject: Re: Tapers Paul Goodwin wrote: Hi, the easiest way to do it is to convert to 1" measurements first. Take the difference between two adjacent measurements. Divide thedifference by 6 and subtract the result from the larger of the twonumbers.This gives you the first 1" measurement. Then subtract the 1/6thdifference from the 1" result and that gives you the next point. do this for the five1 inch intervals between the 6" invervals. Repet this for all the 6" intervals. You can now take every fifth andyou'll have the 5" interval taper. This is where an excell spread sheet really comes in handy. Paul Paul;Actually, the easy way to do it is to use the online Hexrod program, ith