from yves@hwy97.net Fri Sep 1 00:45:13 2000 e815jDG13551 Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:45:21 -0700 Oozakgpt@aol.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Ferrule glue Bob, these are micro beads (don't know the exact diameter) that are addedto epoxy to sort of fill in gaps - i.e., they provide some substance wherea golf club head might not have a tight enough fit - it's too loose. Theylook like a coarse powder. You could say that it gives you a fudge factorif the fit is poor. The beads are sold by Golfsmith (see on the internet -no commercial connection). You just stir them into the epoxy and theythicken it up. Dave At 05:54 PM 8/31/00 -0400, bob maulucci wrote:Dave:What are epoxy beads? Sorry for my ignorance.Thanks,Bob At 02:47 PM 8/31/00 -0700, David La Touche wrote:TheIt setsDave At 04:19 PM 8/31/00 EDT, Oozakgpt@aol.com wrote:Anyone using shafting epoxy(for golf clubs)for their ferrules?TIA Greg T Bob Maulucci==================================================downandacross.com bob@downandacross.com from caneman@clnk.com Fri Sep 1 00:59:41 2000 e815xfG13884 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) , Subject: Re: Ferrule glue Rather like the stock hardenere (powdered walnut shells w/Ammonium Cl.)forURAC???? -----Original Message----- ;Oozakgpt@aol.com ; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Ferrule glue Bob, these are micro beads (don't know the exact diameter) that are addedto epoxy to sort of fill in gaps - i.e., they provide some substance wherea golf club head might not have a tight enough fit - it's too loose. Theylook like a coarse powder. You could say that it gives you a fudge factorif the fit is poor. The beads are sold by Golfsmith (see on the internet -no commercial connection). You just stir them into the epoxy and theythicken it up. Dave At 05:54 PM 8/31/00 -0400, bob maulucci wrote:Dave:What are epoxy beads? Sorry for my ignorance.Thanks,Bob At 02:47 PM 8/31/00 -0700, David La Touche wrote:TheIt setsDave At 04:19 PM 8/31/00 EDT, Oozakgpt@aol.com wrote:Anyone using shafting epoxy(for golf clubs)for their ferrules?TIA Greg T Bob Maulucci==================================================downandacross.combob@downandacross.com from saweiss@flash.net Fri Sep 1 01:00:09 2000 e81608G14019 Subject: Re: Ferrule glue I have used it on the last 15 rods that I've made. I like it.Steve Anyone using shafting epoxy(for golf clubs)for their ferrules?TIA Greg T from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Sep 1 04:10:45 2000 e819AhG17191 Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:10:30 +0800 Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:10:13 +0800 Subject: Re: Ferrule glue Oozakgpt@aol.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu That sounds a lot like micro ballons used in boat building for the samepurpose. I'd use the stuff made for golf clubs though, even it's it's Tony At 10:41 PM 8/31/00 -0700, David La Touche wrote:Bob, these are micro beads (don't know the exact diameter) that are addedto epoxy to sort of fill in gaps - i.e., they provide some substance wherea golf club head might not have a tight enough fit - it's too loose. Theylook like a coarse powder. You could say that it gives you a fudge factorif the fit is poor. The beads are sold by Golfsmith (see on the internet -no commercial connection). You just stir them into the epoxy and theythicken it up. Dave At 05:54 PM 8/31/00 -0400, bob maulucci wrote:Dave:What are epoxy beads? Sorry for my ignorance.Thanks,Bob At 02:47 PM 8/31/00 -0700, David La Touche wrote:TheIt setsDave At 04:19 PM 8/31/00 EDT, Oozakgpt@aol.com wrote:Anyone using shafting epoxy(for golf clubs)for their ferrules?TIA Greg T Bob Maulucci==================================================downandacross.com bob@downandacross.com /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from bob@downandacross.com Fri Sep 1 05:43:42 2000 e81AhfG18442 Subject: Re: Hand Mill Bench --=====================_1491996==_.ALT I bought 3/8" thick 2x2 in a 9' length. It drills easily and seems flat. So far, so good.Bob At 08:34 PM 8/31/00 -0500, nobler wrote:I'll be very interested in what sort of angle stock you find Bob. Myover-hang isn't as much, but I sure want to keep it straight and level. GMA Bob Maulucci==================================================downandacross.combob@downandacross.com-- =====================_1491996==_.ALT I bought 3/8" thick 2x2 in a 9' length. It drills easily and seemsflat. So far, so good.Bob At 08:34 PM 8/31/00 -0500, nobler wrote:I'll be very interested in what sort of anglestock you find Bob. Myover-hang isn't as much, but I sure want to keep it straight andlevel. GMA Bob Maulucci==================================================downandacross.com bob@downandacross.com --=====================_1491996==_.ALT-- from jczimny@dol.net Fri Sep 1 08:53:48 2000 e81DrmG22150 Organization: J. C. Zimny Rod Company Oozakgpt@aol.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Ferrule glue The purpose of micro balloons in epoxy mixtures is to keep the surfacesapart.Unlike other adhesives, epoxy requires some separation of the substrates. Infact, it would be unwise to fit ferrules to ferrule stations tightly when usingepoxy.John Z Bob Nunley wrote: Rather like the stock hardenere (powdered walnut shells w/Ammonium Cl.)forURAC???? from freaner@home.com Fri Sep 1 09:33:02 2000 e81EX1G23932 Subject: Propane Tank Recall 1244303768==_ma============" --============_-1244303768==_ma============ Passed along for info. Please have a safe and happy weekend.Claude From: Jeffrey Good Subject: CPSC RECALL PLEASE PASS THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION ALONG TO ALL MEMBERS OFYOUR CODE. THIS IS AN ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT RECALL AS WE ARE ENTERINGTHE LAST GREAT GRILLING WEEKEND OF THE SUMMER. CPSC, R4 Technical Center Announce Recall of Propane Cylinders WASHINGTON, D.C. - In cooperation with the U.S. Consumer ProductSafety Commission (CPSC), R4 Technical Center - North Carolina LLC,of Hamptonville, N.C., is recalling 4,700 propane cylinders. Thesecylinders can have missing or damaged internal seals in the cylindervalves. Propane can leak, posing a risk of fire, explosion and burninjuries. R4 Technical Center has not received any reports of injuries. These propane cylinders have a sleeve over the tank with the writing"Blue Rhino" and a drawing of a blue rhinoceros. The recalledcylinders have either three stars arranged in a triangular shapeunder the top knob of the valve or the writing "B-75-3" on the sideof the valve. Home center, discount department and hardware stores, and gasstations in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, Virginia,West Virginia, Florida and Mississippi sold these propane cylinders from May 2000 through July 2000 for about $40 to $60 for a tank or$13 to $16 for a tank exchange. Consumers with the recalled valves should check for leaks byfollowing the "Connection Instructions" on the cylinder's label. Ifthe valve is leaking, turn it off immediately, and call the R4Technical Center toll-free at (866) 802-4492 between 8 a.m. and 4p.m. ET Monday through Friday to receive a free replacement cylinder.If you cannot access the toll-free number from your calling area,contact Blue Rhino at (800) 258-7466. To see a picture of the recalled product(s) and/or to establish alink from your web site to this press release on CPSC's web site,link to the following address: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml00/00173.html. Please have a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend! Jeffrey M. GoodSafety & Emergency Preparedness SpecialistNASA Headquarters CenterWashington, DC(202) 358-2108 (202) 358-3090 (888) 720-9924 Propane Tank RecallPassed along for info. Please have a safe and happy weekend.Claude From: Jeffrey Good Subject: CPSC RECALL PLEASE PASS THEFOLLOWING INFORMATION ALONG TO ALL MEMBERS OF YOUR CODE. THIS IS ANESPECIALLY IMPORTANT RECALL AS WE ARE ENTERING THE LAST GREATGRILLING WEEKEND OF THE SUMMER. CPSC, R4 TechnicalCenter Announce Recall of Propane Cylinders WASHINGTON, D.C. -In cooperation with the U.S. Consumer ProductSafety Commission(CPSC), R4 Technical Center - North Carolina LLC,of Hamptonville,N.C., is recalling 4,700 propane cylinders. Thesecylinders can havemissing or damaged internal seals in the cylindervalves. Propanecan leak, posing a risk of fire, explosion andburninjuries. R4 TechnicalCenter has not received any reports of injuries. These propanecylinders have a sleeve over the tank with thewriting"BlueRhino" and a drawing of a blue rhinoceros. Therecalledcylinders haveeither three stars arranged in a triangular shapeunder the top knobof the valve or the writing "B-75-3" on thesideof thevalve. Home center,discount department and hardware stores, and gasstations inPennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware,Virginia,West Virginia,Florida and Mississippi sold these propanecylinders from May 2000through July 2000 for about $40 to $60 for a tankor$13 to $16 for atank exchange. Consumers with therecalled valves should check for leaks byfollowing the"Connection Instructions" on the cylinder's label.Ifthe valve isleaking, turn it off immediately, and call the R4Technical Centertoll-free at (866) 802-4492 between 8 a.m. and 4p.m. ET Mondaythrough Friday to receive a free replacementcylinder.If you cannotaccess the toll-free number from your callingarea,contact Blue Rhinoat (800) 258-7466. To see a pictureof the recalled product(s) and/or to establish alink from your website to this press release on CPSC's web site,link to thefollowing address: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml00/00173.html. Please have a safe and enjoyable holidayweekend! Jeffrey M.GoodSafety & EmergencyPreparedness SpecialistNASA HeadquartersCenter DC(202) 358-2108 (202) 358-3090 <<<< --============_-1244303768==_ma============-- from drinkr@voicenet.com Fri Sep 1 09:37:52 2000 e81EbpG24190 (207.103.136.186) Subject: tubing Ive been trying to obtain small diameter NS and steel tubing in the.055 -.075 ID range. Does anyone have a source for these? from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Sep 1 11:35:14 2000 e81GZCG29469 Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:31:52 -0500 , Subject: Re: Ferrule glue You can get Micro Balloons in most model shops, and a very low price. Theyweigh nothing, and make a good filler, when mixed with most any type ofsandable glue.. GMA from rafick@3riversweb.net Fri Sep 1 12:04:05 2000 e81H44G00687 , Subject: Re: Ferrule glue Subject: Re: Ferrule glue You can get Micro Balloons in most model shops, and a very low price. Theyweigh nothing, and make a good filler, when mixed with most any type ofsandable glue.. GMA One thing to keep in mind when using micro balloons is that the epoxy willnot be as strong, and the more filler added, the weaker it will be.A better alternative is milled fiber, this is fibers of glass and or carbonthat when added to epoxy will increase the strength, also the ratio ofmilled fibers to epoxy needs to be kept low .Milled fiber is available from Bob Violet models. from yves@hwy97.net Fri Sep 1 12:27:09 2000 e81HR8G01566 Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:27:18 -0700 "bob maulucci" , , Subject: Re: Ferrule glue Except, as they are epoxy, they are not inert. There is probably somebonding, but this is not my area of expertise. At 12:58 AM 9/1/00 -0500, Bob Nunley wrote:Rather like the stock hardenere (powdered walnut shells w/Ammonium Cl.)forURAC???? -----Original Message-----From: David La Touche ;Oozakgpt@aol.com ; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 12:40 AMSubject: Re: Ferrule glue Bob, these are micro beads (don't know the exact diameter) that areaddedto epoxy to sort of fill in gaps - i.e., they provide some substance wherea golf club head might not have a tight enough fit - it's too loose. Theylook like a coarse powder. You could say that it gives you a fudge factorif the fit is poor. The beads are sold by Golfsmith (see on the internet -no commercial connection). You just stir them into the epoxy and theythicken it up. Dave At 05:54 PM 8/31/00 -0400, bob maulucci wrote:Dave:What are epoxy beads? Sorry for my ignorance.Thanks,Bob At 02:47 PM 8/31/00 -0700, David La Touche wrote:TheIt setsDave At 04:19 PM 8/31/00 EDT, Oozakgpt@aol.com wrote:Anyone using shafting epoxy(for golf clubs)for their ferrules?TIA GregT Bob Maulucci==================================================downandacross.combob@downandacross.com from yves@hwy97.net Fri Sep 1 12:31:11 2000 e81HVAG01839 Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:31:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Ferrule glue Oozakgpt@aol.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu I've also thought of using it for gluing up strips as it seems to have heatresistance - try removing a club-head sometime! The working time is alsoquite long. Dave At 05:23 PM 9/1/00 +0800, Tony Young wrote:That sounds a lot like micro ballons used in boat building for the samepurpose. I'd use the stuff made for golf clubs though, even it's it's Tony At 10:41 PM 8/31/00 -0700, David La Touche wrote:Bob, these are micro beads (don't know the exact diameter) that areaddedto epoxy to sort of fill in gaps - i.e., they provide some substance wherea golf club head might not have a tight enough fit - it's too loose. Theylook like a coarse powder. You could say that it gives you a fudge factorif the fit is poor. The beads are sold by Golfsmith (see on the internet -no commercial connection). You just stir them into the epoxy and theythicken it up. Dave At 05:54 PM 8/31/00 -0400, bob maulucci wrote:Dave:What are epoxy beads? Sorry for my ignorance.Thanks,Bob At 02:47 PM 8/31/00 -0700, David La Touche wrote:TheIt setsDave At 04:19 PM 8/31/00 EDT, Oozakgpt@aol.com wrote:Anyone using shafting epoxy(for golf clubs)for their ferrules?TIA GregT Bob Maulucci==================================================downandacross.com bob@downandacross.com /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from yves@hwy97.net Fri Sep 1 12:48:23 2000 e81HmMG02532 Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:48:32 -0700 , Subject: Re: Ferrule glue , I've used "micro balloons" before as a filler. I don't think that theyshould be confused with epoxy beads which are probably solid. I thoughtthat I should sort this out, so here is the description from the Golfsmithcatalog: "tiny glass oxide granules (0.0021" diam.) are mixed withshafting epoxy to ensure an adequate epoxy cushion between the shaft andhosel wall. Eliminates the possibility of shafting a club cocked or offcenter. Add to mixed epoxy at 3% to 5% by volume (about 1/4 levelteaspoonper ounce) and mix thoroughly; 4 oz. jar does hundreds of clubs".Golfsmith stock no. 9082. 4 oz. jar - $4.95. I have, again, no commercialinterest. Works for me. Dave At 12:07 PM 9/1/00 -0500, R.A.Fick wrote: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:38 AMSubject: Re: Ferrule glue You can get Micro Balloons in most model shops, and a very low price.Theyweigh nothing, and make a good filler, when mixed with most any type ofsandable glue.. GMA One thing to keep in mind when using micro balloons is that the epoxy willnot be as strong, and the more filler added, the weaker it will be.A better alternative is milled fiber, this is fibers of glass and or carbonthat when added to epoxy will increase the strength, also the ratio ofmilled fibers to epoxy needs to be kept low .Milled fiber is available from Bob Violet models. from darrell@rockclimbing.org Fri Sep 1 13:17:36 2000 e81IHaG03447 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: FW: Great Western Bishop Gathering - Group REC order - DemarestCane- CORK Hello all, Group REC order - As many gatherings have done in the past, I thought I'dput together a group REC order that would be distributed at the BishopGathering. By doing a group order, everyone would be entitled to a greatdiscount and if attending the gathering will save on some shipping as well.Minimum order per person is $100.00 retail and you will get a discount offthe retail prices. Please do not order any items that has a long deliverytime. At $100 retail, that's only two or three sets of ferrules or reelseats. Sales tax will have to be charged to those without a resale license.If you don't have their catalog their website is www.rec.com . Deadline toorder is Sept. 8th. Harold & Eileen Demarest has contributed 3 culms of bamboo to the BishopGathering. Thank you! I have a few thousand cork rings leftover from the group orders and willbring some of the cork up the the gathering if there is any interest. Anyoneinterested please let me know, otherwise I'll leave it at home. If there are any vendors that wish to donate product for the gathering,please contact me off list. Regards, Darrell Leewww.vfish.net from rsgould@cmc.net Fri Sep 1 16:09:11 2000 e81L9AG10200 Subject: Re: Great Western Bishop Gathering - Group REC order - DemarestCane- CORK Organization: GOULD Hello to all,My understanding is that the Bishop workshop has been canceled due tohealthproblem of Charles Irvine. I have thus made other plans already.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: FW: Great Western Bishop Gathering - Group REC order - DemarestCane- CORK Hello all, Group REC order - As many gatherings have done in the past, I thought I'dput together a group REC order that would be distributed at the BishopGathering. By doing a group order, everyone would be entitled to a greatdiscount and if attending the gathering will save on some shipping aswell.Minimum order per person is $100.00 retail and you will get a discount offthe retail prices. Please do not order any items that has a long deliverytime. At $100 retail, that's only two or three sets of ferrules or reelseats. Sales tax will have to be charged to those without a resalelicense.If you don't have their catalog their website is www.rec.com . Deadlinetoorder is Sept. 8th. Harold & Eileen Demarest has contributed 3 culms of bamboo to the BishopGathering. Thank you! I have a few thousand cork rings leftover from the group orders and willbring some of the cork up the the gathering if there is any interest.Anyoneinterested please let me know, otherwise I'll leave it at home. If there are any vendors that wish to donate product for the gathering,please contact me off list. Regards, Darrell Leewww.vfish.net from tjwilhelm@carolina.rr.com Fri Sep 1 16:45:39 2000 e81LjdG11451 Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:45:12 -0400 Subject: Re: tubing Hello All New to the list and have been lurking about for the last couple of weeks tosee what I can learn. (Quite a lot from what I see.) Whether I step up to bamboo or not, I still want to take my rod building upa notch by making my own reel seats. David's post has prompted me tocomeout of the shadows and ask what sources are available for NS in sizes thatare suitable for reel seats? I would have thought that NS would have been alot easier to find but maybe I've just not looked in the right places. TIATim Wilhelm ----- Original Message ----- Subject: tubing Ive been trying to obtain small diameter NS and steel tubing in the.055 -.075 ID range. Does anyone have a source for these? from steve@hamiltonrods.com Fri Sep 1 16:51:24 2000 e81LpNG11693 Service Version 5.5.2448.0) Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM Please check with www.urbanlegends.com before forwarding this type ofinformation to anyone (especially a mailing list). This one is a well- knownfraud (i.e. there's nothing to worry about). Seehttp://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/90pound.html for details. --Steve from jeremy@goflyfishing.com Fri Sep 1 17:34:17 2000 e81MYGG12836 "Rod Makers" Subject: GW Bishop Gathering - Chuck is ill????? -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Great Western Bishop Gathering - Group REC order - DemarestCane- CORK Hello to all,My understanding is that the Bishop workshop has been canceled due tohealthproblem of Charles Irvine. I have thus made other plans already.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: FW: Great Western Bishop Gathering - Group REC order - DemarestCane- CORK Hello all, Group REC order - As many gatherings have done in the past, I thought I'dput together a group REC order that would be distributed at the BishopGathering. By doing a group order, everyone would be entitled to a greatdiscount and if attending the gathering will save on some shipping aswell.Minimum order per person is $100.00 retail and you will get a discount offthe retail prices. Please do not order any items that has a long deliverytime. At $100 retail, that's only two or three sets of ferrules or reelseats. Sales tax will have to be charged to those without a resalelicense.If you don't have their catalog their website is www.rec.com . Deadlinetoorder is Sept. 8th. Harold & Eileen Demarest has contributed 3 culms of bamboo to the BishopGathering. Thank you! I have a few thousand cork rings leftover from the group orders and willbring some of the cork up the the gathering if there is any interest.Anyoneinterested please let me know, otherwise I'll leave it at home. If there are any vendors that wish to donate product for the gathering,please contact me off list. Regards, Darrell Leewww.vfish.net from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Sep 1 18:00:32 2000 e81N0VG13593 Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:00:22 -0700 Subject: Re: tubing Hi Tim,Welcome to the list, and we'll try not to pressure you too hard to comeover from "the dark side." :-) Russ Gooding at Goldenwith.com has tubing suitable suggestions, for which I am appreciative, but detailed instructions are hardtocome by. Harry Boyd tjwilhelm wrote: Whether I step up to bamboo or not, I still want to take my rod building upa notch by making my own reel seats. David's post has prompted me tocomeout of the shadows and ask what sources are available for NS in sizes thatare suitable for reel seats? from lblove@omniglobal.net Fri Sep 1 18:10:25 2000 e81NAOG13993 Subject: Re: tubing HarryWe are not the "dark siders"... everyone else is,we are the "enlightened few" that knows "our heartsare pure and our cause is just..." he he he 8o) Brad ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: tubing Hi Tim,Welcome to the list, and we'll try not to pressure you too hard tocome over from "the dark side." :-) from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Fri Sep 1 18:19:22 2000 e81NJMG14338 Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:19:19 +0100 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: tubing Remember, it always gets dark before it gets totally black ! Bradley Love wrote: HarryWe are not the "dark siders"... everyone else is,we are the "enlightened few" that knows "our heartsare pure and our cause is just..." he he he 8o) Brad ----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 5:59 PMSubject: Re: tubing Hi Tim,Welcome to the list, and we'll try not to pressure you too hard tocome over from "the dark side." :-) from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Sep 1 20:38:15 2000 e821cFG16938 Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:35:59 -0500 Subject: Re: tubing You can try Busby Metals, 516-434-3400. I got 12% N.S. rod there, and at adecent price. This is plenty strong for rods. I didn't ask for tubing, butyou can check. GMA from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Sep 1 21:04:23 2000 e8224KG17508 Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:03:59 +0800 Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:03:36 +0800 Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM Highly recomend taking a look at this site. Especially the super gluestory. Lots of great reading.I think it's high time somebody started an urban legand re. graphite rods.I remember the lightening one from the early days (possibly true in someextreme situations?) but I mean maybe a combination of the lightening thingand maybe the bear spit story also at this site but don't use bears usePANDAs and work whales and dolphins into the story in way.Maybe graphite even emits excessive radon, need to work on that one.Get a good story really going *then* circulate a petition to the localauthorities demanding the baning of graphite rods on animal rights grounds,possibly even medical ones too.You doubt it could work? Look at some of the storys. Tony At 05:51 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Steve Zimmerman wrote:Please check with www.urbanlegends.com before forwarding this type ofinformation to anyone (especially a mailing list). This one is a well-knownfraud (i.e. there's nothing to worry about). Seehttp://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/90pound.html for details. --Steve /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Sep 1 21:40:45 2000 e822eiG18396 Subject: Re: tubing Please re-read my original post. I am sure I said, "come over from the darkside..." That makes you correct. We're not the dark side.... Smile,harry Bradley Love wrote: HarryWe are not the "dark siders"... everyone else is,Hi Tim,Welcome to the list, and we'll try not to pressure you too hard tocome over from "the dark side." :-) --Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from darrell@rockclimbing.org Fri Sep 1 22:02:07 2000 e82326G18741 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Great Western Bishop Gathering 2000 is STILL A GO !!! The Bishop, Calif. Gathering 2000 is still a go!!! While it's true Chuck has been undergoing some treatments and will continueto do so for the next month, he is still happy to host the gathering. He'sjust not able to help out much on the planning and logistics which is mydepartment anyway... It appears that Ray will not be a guest speaker but I'm hoping to have ahistoric and famous rod maker become our keynote speaker. More detailsonceit is confirmed... Please be sure you visit the Bishop Gathering page atwww.vfish.net/gwbishop.htm and sign up on the mailing list so that you willreceive the full agenda and other information as it becomes available. I'm sure Chuck would appreciate hearing from his many friends on the listwhen you have time, send him an email or a get well card... Cheers, Darrell Leewww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Great Western Bishop Gathering - Group REC order - DemarestCane- CORK Hello to all,My understanding is that the Bishop workshop has been canceled due tohealthproblem of Charles Irvine. I have thus made other plans already.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: FW: Great Western Bishop Gathering - Group REC order - DemarestCane- CORK Hello all, Group REC order - As many gatherings have done in the past, I thought I'dput together a group REC order that would be distributed at the BishopGathering. By doing a group order, everyone would be entitled to a greatdiscount and if attending the gathering will save on some shipping aswell.Minimum order per person is $100.00 retail and you will get a discount offthe retail prices. Please do not order any items that has a long deliverytime. At $100 retail, that's only two or three sets of ferrules or reelseats. Sales tax will have to be charged to those without a resalelicense.If you don't have their catalog their website is www.rec.com . Deadlinetoorder is Sept. 8th. Harold & Eileen Demarest has contributed 3 culms of bamboo to the BishopGathering. Thank you! I have a few thousand cork rings leftover from the group orders and willbring some of the cork up the the gathering if there is any interest.Anyoneinterested please let me know, otherwise I'll leave it at home. If there are any vendors that wish to donate product for the gathering,please contact me off list. Regards, Darrell Leewww.vfish.net from lblove@omniglobal.net Fri Sep 1 22:55:52 2000 e823tpG19694 Subject: Re: tubing sorry Harry I must not have had my glasses onmy face at the time of the post...or the epon fumeswere thick in the shop.my most sincere apologyBrad----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: tubing Please re-read my original post. I am sure I said, "come over from thedarkside..." That makes you correct. We're not the dark side.... Smile,harry Bradley Love wrote: HarryWe are not the "dark siders"... everyone else is,Hi Tim,Welcome to the list, and we'll try not to pressure you too hard tocome over from "the dark side." :-) --Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from Turbotrk@aol.com Fri Sep 1 23:03:30 2000 e8243UG19894 Subject: Re: website update Bob, do you go to church? Your site is nothing but commercial and I think we have been down that rosey path before. stuart miller from caneman@clnk.com Sat Sep 2 03:28:35 2000 e828SYG23349 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: website update This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0683_01C0148D.8BF976A0 The page I asked everyone to look at is nothing more than a fishing =and travel page... a page that I put up for everyone to enjoy, get a =little entertainment from and to get a little taste of flyfishing =Americana... a page that was dedicated to someone that I thought the =world revolved around... If you look at the rest of the site, then YES, =it is commercial... EXTREMELY commercial, matter of fact!!! But, =somewhat informative too, but apparently, you didn't have time to look =at that part of the website... If you had done like MOST others and just =clicked on the link I posted, and nothing else, then you would have =avoided the commercial part of the website and just enjoyed a little bit =of flyfishing fun! Well, not just a little bit, but a LOT of flyfishing =fun...Truth!!! I do nothing for a living other than making rods... I =don't hold a "regular" job, as many call it... I am a rodmaker, and =nothing else. I asked the list to look at a little fun addition to my =page, but I didn't ask you, or anyone esle on this list, to look at =anything other than the "Travels" page... I asked you to look at that =particular page and to comment and make suggestions on it and nothing =else. After all, isn't that the true spirit of the Rodmakers =Listserv??? Making suggestions, or providing information, or providing =constructive criticism to make any and all of us better rodmakers, =whether we be hobbiest, part timers, for professional rodmakers??? (key =word in last sentence was constructive, not to be confused with the term ="sarcastic"), whether it is in the field of making rods or choosing =adhesives, or culling cane, or splitting, or finishg OR marketing??? =Whether it is technical info or just moral support???Just stop and think = other rodmakers... Why in the world would I be intersted in ADVERTISING =to the LIST??? Wouldn't it not ever even occur to you that my "target =community" would be someone other than rodmakers that were not even =remotely interested in buying my rods? Someone like the flyfishing =community, instead of the rodmaking community??? I mean, this listserv =is definitely NOT a customer base, it is a "friend" base and even though =I don't know you personally, I have many personal friends on this list, =many of whom pointed out things that I could do to improve that =particular part of my website... one of whom, actually took a LOT of =time out of his busy day (thank you very much Danny Twang) to do color =adjustments on my jpegs so that not only that particular page, but my =entire website would be much more presentable to the public... a favor =which, if had the technical ability that he does, I would be MORE than =happy to return the favor... After all, this is supposed to be a forum =in which we, as rodmakers, both professional and hobbiest, full time and =part time, do HELP each other and not comdemn each other...I don't expect to make a sales pitch to anyone on this list, =wouldn't even try to, and I certainly don't expect to impress anyone on =this list with the marketability of my website or my rods... there are, =in my opinion, a plethora of MUCH better rodmakers than me on this list. =I just asked for critique, and nothing more. My friend, there is a = YES, my web site is a commercial website, and YES, I do target the =flyfishing community, and YES, I do make my living as a bamboo rodmaker, =and nothing else. No, I don't have a NORMAL job... Rodmaking IS my =job! That is what I do... that is how I feed my family and how I put gas =in my car and how I pay my mortgage payments and that is how I put food =and drink in my own mouth... but just stand back for just a second and =think about it... if advertising OR commercialism was my goal, then why =in the world would I do that on this list? There is NOTHING for me to =gain by "advertising" to the listserv!Stuart... As far as what you apparently considered a "NOTHING BUT =COMMERCIAL" website (although, I am not trying to market anything to =ANY of the rodmakers on this list) if you don't like it, don't look at =it... if you don't want to critique, then don't comment. I was asking = to the rodmaking community on this list, as a whole... Impudent comment =has absolutely no value to this listserv! We would hope that the list =could do without such things... although, I doubt, with the nature of =human insecurity, it every will... I got plenty of critique, as I made =plenty of mistakes in writing the page, but only one condemnation... can =you guess who that was from??? You sir... You and nobody else...Originally, I started to post this in a private mail, but as you saw =fit to condemn my posting to the List, the I thought it only reasonable =to RE: your email to the list. I had one other individual that saw fit = gentleman had the courtesy, manners and class, to confront me in a =private email, and not post it to the list... you, Sir, chose to post to =the entire list, so you will see the rebuttal to your comments on the =entire list.As for your question... do I go to Church? Sorry, met too many "Oh, =I am so righteous" people there, like one in particular poster to this =string, and after decades of that kind of unreasonably arrogant =attitude, I don't really care to go back... I am a Christian, but not =one of those that would have the audacity to ask "Do you go to church?" =as a defense to my own insecurity... Later,Bob-----Original Message----- = Subject: Re: website update Bob, do you go to church? Your site is nothing but commercial and I = have been down that rosey path before. stuart miller ------=_NextPart_000_0683_01C0148D.8BF976A0 enjoy, get a little entertainment from and to get a little taste of = Americana... a page that was dedicated to someone that I thought the = YES, it iscommercial... = informative too, but apparently, you didn't have time to look at that = the website... If you had done like MOST others and just clicked on the = just a little bit, but a LOT of flyfishing fun... making rods... I don't hold a "regular" job, as many call = addition to my page, but I didn't ask you, or anyone esle on this list, = isn't that the true spirit of the Rodmakers = Making suggestions, or providinginformation, = providing constructive criticism tomake = professional rodmakers??? (key word in last sentence= constructive, not to be confused with the term = whether it is in the field of making rods or choosing adhesives, or = Whether it = technical info or just moral support???Just stop and think for a = WAS trying to commercialize, why would Ido it = other rodmakers... Why in the world would I be intersted even = to you that my "targetcommunity" = remotely interested in buying my like the flyfishing community, instead of the rodmaking = "friend" base and eventhough = friends on this list, many of whom pointed out things that= do to improve that particular part of my website... one of whom, = LOT of time out of his busy day (thank you very much Danny Twang) to do = adjustments on my jpegs so that not only that particular page, but my = website would be much more presentable to the public... a favor which, = the technical ability that he does, I would be MORE than happy to return = rodmakers, both professional and hobbiest, full time and part = comdemn each other... to impress anyone on this list with the marketability of my website or = = critique and condemnation... YES, I do make my living as a bamboo rodmaker, don't = IS my job! That is what I do... thatis = feed my family and how I put gas in my car and how I pay my mortgage = back for just a second and think about it... if advertising OR = listserv! "NOTHING BUT = ANY of the rodmakers on this = don't like it, don't look at it... if you don't want to critique, then = comment that has no value to therodmaking = writing the page, but only one condemnation... can you guess who that = = private mail, but as you saw fit to condemn my posting to the List, the = individual that saw fit to slam me in private mail a few months ago, but = least that gentleman had the courtesy, manners and class, to = a private email, and not post it to the list... you, Sir, chose to post = entire list, so you will see the rebuttal to your comments on the entire = list. poster to this string, and after decades of that kind of unreasonably = of those that would have the audacity to ask "Do you go to = a defense to my own insecurity... Later,Bob-----Original Message-----From: <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= site = ------=_NextPart_000_0683_01C0148D.8BF976A0-- from caneman@clnk.com Sat Sep 2 03:49:57 2000 e828nuG23663 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:44:00 -0500 Subject: Apology This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0693_01C01490.88D6D280 Gentlemen and gentlewomen of the list,I want to apologize for my tirade in the previous posting. Those of =you, and there are many, who made suggestions, and helped me with that =addition to my website, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I =want to extend a special thanks to Danny Twang, who took time out of his =extremely busy day to correct the color and clarity of my image files. =I also want to thank each and every one of you that told me of the =mistakes I made on the new page (there were plenty of those, for sure) =and helped me with your commentary and suggestions for correcting those =mistakes.I don't generally take anyones comments personally, but I did Mr. =Millers, and I should not have posted my rebuttal to his comment, =regardless of my feelings about it, to this list. I should have kept =that private, between Stuart and myself. Please accept my apology and I =will do my best to (no promises), in the future, count to 10 before I =post, instead of getting defensive and typing exactly what is on my = This list is most probably the best thing that has ever happened to =modern bamboo rodmaking, and I feel terrible that my little ( or big ) =temper tantrum may have compromised the heart and soul of this Listserv.=I hope the members will accept my apology. Those of you that know me =personally, know that I don't generally lose my temper, and I should not =have this morning when i read Mr. Miller's posting. I hope I have not =offended anyone else on the list, and if I have, then I am truly sorry. Thanks,Bob R.L. "Bob" Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Bamboo Fly Rodshttp://members.clnk.com/caneman/images/flystuff/caneindex.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0693_01C01490.88D6D280 Gentlemen and gentlewomen of the list, suggestions, and helped me with that addition to my website, I thank you = Twang, who took time out of his extremely busy day to correct the color = that told me of the mistakes I made on the new page (there were plenty = those mistakes. personally, but I did Mr. Millers, and I should not have posted my = apology and I will do my best to (no promises), in the future, count to = before I post, instead of getting defensive and typing exactly what is = happened to modern bamboo rodmaking, and I feel terrible that my little = ) temper tantrum may have compromised the heart and soul of this = personally, know that I don't generally lose my temper, and I should not = this morning when i read Mr. Miller's posting. I hope I have not = else on the list, and if I have, then I am truly sorry. Thanks,Bob = Rodsht=tp://members.clnk.com/caneman/images/flystuff/caneindex.htm= ------=_NextPart_000_0693_01C01490.88D6D280-- from esavage@parkerduryee.com Sat Sep 2 04:44:30 2000 e829iTG24564 Subject: RE: Apology This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understandthis format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C014C2.8EB13344 Bob: You certainly would have been a better man than I am (which you may well beanyway) if you did not get your back up in response to Mr. Miller's publicdenouncement of your inquiry and invitation for input from the List. primarily because I have a number of old bamboo rods I want to restore andthrough some good fortune stumbled on the Rodmakers site and signed on tothe list, initially as much out of curiosity as anything else. Although,with the number of messages being sent back and forth between listmembers,my computer at the office is getting jammed up with e-mails (one Mondaymorning, a colleague was looking over my shoulder and, when I opened mye-mail collection site, saw that I had 80+ e-mails awaiting me and couldn'tfigure out why I would have so many (60+ were from the List), I havecompletely enjoyed being on the List and have gained a wealth ofinformation. However, perhaps more valuable than the particular pieces ofinformation I have picked up has been an appreciation I have gained for thegreat benefits that can be accomplished through the internet for a craftforum, which the List essentially is. More than once I have had a feelingof jealousy being only an eavesdropping outsider and had an urge ofcompulsion to go out and build a bamboo rod just so that I could feel Ibelonged within the GROUP. You and other List members may take for granted the sharing of informationand (generally) good natured ribbing that flows among List members on anessentially daily basis, but I suspect others from the "outside" would be asamazed as I have been in witnessing the genuine and sincere desire of almosteveryone to assist anyone (whether a neophyte or a long-time List member)with ANY inquiry - no matter how frivolous or demanding. This isparticularly notable among individuals who are (or at least may be) incompetition with one another. Yet, from observing the correspondence andinteractions among List members, one would never get the feeling that youview yourselves in competition with one another - rather, you all seemwilling, if not anxious, to share your "trade secrets" with one another.One can't spend very long perusing the messages among List memberswithoutbeing impressed with the breadth and depth of friendships and respectsharedamong List members and the willingness of members to extend themselvestoother List members, even other members who are strangers other than alsobeing members of the List. About the only breaches I have witnessed in the sense of camaraderie andgood fraternity (other than some comments on male chauvinism) haverelatedto some perceived misuse of the forum for commercial purposes. Thisseemsto be a particularly sensitive area for at least a number of List members.And it's a sensitive area in which I personally suffered a mild attack aftermy very first venture into the discussion. In my browsing of eBay auctions,I had stumbled upon several books on bamboo rod building and shared thatwith the List, believing that among the members there might still be one ortwo who did not yet have a complete library. And notwithstanding mydisclaimer as to any direct or indirect financial interest in any of thebooks being auctioned off, one member felt obligated to chastise me onengaging in improper conduct. But for a couple of e-mails thanking me forthat information, that chastisement would have made me reluctant to everagain offer to share whatever little information I might have to offer tothe List. Much to the List's credit, I have subsequently received e-mailsof encouragement from others in response to my inquiries and admission ofnovice status. I don't know who sets up the "RULES" for the List, but perhaps it should bethat person (or group of persons) ALONE who should take charge ofmonitoringimproper "commercial" use of the Rodmakers forum. And if any othermemberhas a complaint regarding that issue, it could be referred to that person(or group of persons). At least that way, there would be a consistentapplication of whatever rules there may be and no individual would feelobligated (as Mr. Miller apparently did), in an effort to protect other Listmembers, to publicly chastise one member for a perceived indiscretion. Justa suggestion that I make only because I'd hate to see other altercations ofthis nature deter in any way such a unique, and otherwise warm andsupportive, environment. Ed Savage [esavage@parkerduryee.com] P.S. Bob, you may have acted precipitously, but (at least from one person'sview), you sure do write well. -----Original Message----- Subject: Apology Gentlemen and gentlewomen of the list,I want to apologize for my tirade in the previous posting. Those ofyou, and there are many, who made suggestions, and helped me with thataddition to my website, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I want toextend a special thanks to Danny Twang, who took time out of his extremelybusy day to correct the color and clarity of my image files. I also want tothank each and every one of you that told me of the mistakes I made on thenew page (there were plenty of those, for sure) and helped me with yourcommentary and suggestions for correcting those mistakes.I don't generally take anyones comments personally, but I did Mr.Millers, and I should not have posted my rebuttal to his comment, regardlessof my feelings about it, to this list. I should have kept that private,between Stuart and myself. Please accept my apology and I will do my bestto (no promises), in the future, count to 10 before I post, instead ofgetting defensive and typing exactly what is on my mind. This list is most probably the best thing that has ever happened tomodern bamboo rodmaking, and I feel terrible that my little ( or big )temper tantrum may have compromised the heart and soul of this Listserv. Ihope the members will accept my apology. Those of you that know mepersonally, know that I don't generally lose my temper, and I should nothave this morning when i read Mr. Miller's posting. I hope I have notoffended anyone else on the list, and if I have, then I am truly sorry. Thanks,Bob R.L. "Bob" Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Bamboo Fly Rodshttp://members.clnk.com/caneman/images/flystuff/caneindex.htm ------_=_NextPart_001_01C014C2.8EB13344 Bob: Youcertainly would have been a better man than I am (which you may well be anyway) if you didnot get your back up in response to Mr. Miller's public denouncement of yourinquiry couple of months I have been essentially eavesdropping on the List, primarily because I have a number of old bamboo rods I want to restore and through some goodfortune stumbled on the Rodmakers site and signed on to the list, initially as muchout being getting jammed up with e-mails (one Monday morning, a colleague was looking overmy shoulder and, when I opened my e-mail collection site, saw that I had 80+ e-mails awaiting me and couldn't figure out why I would have so many (60+were from the List), I have completely enjoyed being on the List and have gained a particular pieces of information I have picked up has been an appreciation I have gained craft feeling of jealousy being only an eavesdropping outsider and had an urge ofcompulsion belonged Youand other List members may take for granted the sharing of information and (generally)good natured ribbing that flows among List members on an essentially daily basis,but I suspect others from the "outside" would be as amazed as I have been in notable among individuals who are (or at least may be) in competition withone among List members, one would never get the feeling that you view yourselves in competition with one another - rather, you all seem willing, if not anxious, to long perusing the messages among List members without being impressed withthe breadth and depth of friendships and respect shared among List membersand the willingness of members to extend themselves to other List members, evenother members who are strangers other than also being members of the List. Aboutthe only breaches I have witnessed in the sense of camaraderie and good fraternity(other than some comments on male chauvinism) have related to some perceivedmisuse of sensitive area in which I personally suffered a mild attack after my very first venture upon several books on bamboo rod building and shared that with the List, believing that among the members there might still be one or two who did not yet havea or indirect financial interest in any of the books being auctioned off, onemember a couple of e-mails thanking me for that information, that chastisement wouldhave made me reluctant to ever again offer to share whatever little information I subsequently received e-mails of encouragement from others in response tomy inquiries and admission of novice status. I don'tknow who sets up the "RULES" for the List, but perhaps it should be that person (orgroup of persons) ALONE who should take charge of monitoring improper member has a complaint regarding that issue, it could be referred to that person (orgroup of whatever rules there may be and no individual would feel obligated (as Mr. suggestion that I make only because I'd hate to see other altercations of this nature deter in any way such a unique, and otherwise warm and supportive, environment. Ed Savage[esavage@parkerduryee.com] may have acted precipitously, but (at least from one person's view), yousure do write well. -----Original Message-----From: Bob Nunley 2000 4:48 ApologyGentlemen and gentlewomen of the list, in suggestions, and helped me with that addition to my website, I thank you from Danny Twang, who took time out of his extremely busy day to correct the colorand you that told me of the mistakes I made on the new page (there were plentyof those, for sure) and helped me with your commentary and suggestions for correcting those mistakes. personally, but I did Mr. Millers, and I should not have posted my rebuttal to my apology and I will do my best to (no promises), in the future, count to 10 before I post, instead of getting defensive and typing exactly what is on my ever happened to modern bamboo rodmaking, and I feel terrible that mylittle ( or big ) temper tantrum may have compromised the heart and soul of this you that know me personally, know that I don't generally lose my temper, and I should not have this morning when i read Mr. Miller's posting. I hope I have not offended anyone else on the list, and if I have, then I am truly sorry. Thanks,Bob Rodshttp://members.clnk.com/caneman/images/flystuff/caneindex.htm ------_=_NextPart_001_01C014C2.8EB13344-- from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Sep 2 05:57:56 2000 e82AvrG25338 Subject: Re: website update Organization: vet This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C01528.AB6A00E0 "Fibre Grass Fly Rods" Bob Since I came onto this list, there have been a few who have stood out, =even from this collection of patient and helpful people, as being =exceptionally helpful, knowledgeable, unselfish, and lucid. You have always been one of those. Please don't stop. I have been glad of your advice and help, given both through the medium =of the list and one on one. I will never split a culm of cane again =without thinking of you. I didn't even know until tonight that you were a fulltime professional =rodmaker. I thought your site was fine. I liked George's site a few =weeks back, too, and it never occurred to me that he was trying to =hardsell models, either. Keep it up, Bob, and God bless! Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 6:26 PMSubject: Re: website update The page I asked everyone to look at is nothing more than a =fishing and travel page... a page that I put up for everyone to enjoy, =get a little entertainment from and to get a little taste of flyfishing =Americana... a page that was dedicated to someone that I thought the =world revolved around... If you look at the rest of the site, then YES, =it is commercial... EXTREMELY commercial, matter of fact!!! But, =somewhat informative too, but apparently, you didn't have time to look =at that part of the website... If you had done like MOST others and just =clicked on the link I posted, and nothing else, then you would have =avoided the commercial part of the website and just enjoyed a little bit =of flyfishing fun! Well, not just a little bit, but a LOT of flyfishing =fun...Truth!!! I do nothing for a living other than making rods... I =don't hold a "regular" job, as many call it... I am a rodmaker, and =nothing else. I asked the list to look at a little fun addition to my =page, but I didn't ask you, or anyone esle on this list, to look at =anything other than the "Travels" page... I asked you to look at that =particular page and to comment and make suggestions on it and nothing =else. After all, isn't that the true spirit of the Rodmakers =Listserv??? Making suggestions, or providing information, or providing =constructive criticism to make any and all of us better rodmakers, =whether we be hobbiest, part timers, for professional rodmakers??? (key =word in last sentence was constructive, not to be confused with the term ="sarcastic"), whether it is in the field of making rods or choosing =adhesives, or culling cane, or splitting, or finishg OR marketing??? =Whether it is technical info or just moral support???Just stop and think = other rodmakers... Why in the world would I be intersted in ADVERTISING =to the LIST??? Wouldn't it not ever even occur to you that my "target =community" would be someone other than rodmakers that were not even =remotely interested in buying my rods? Someone like the flyfishing =community, instead of the rodmaking community??? I mean, this listserv =is definitely NOT a customer base, it is a "friend" base and even though =I don't know you personally, I have many personal friends on this list, =many of whom pointed out things that I could do to improve that =particular part of my website... one of whom, actually took a LOT of =time out of his busy day (thank you very much Danny Twang) to do color =adjustments on my jpegs so that not only that particular page, but my =entire website would be much more presentable to the public... a favor =which, if had the technical ability that he does, I would be MORE than =happy to return the favor... After all, this is supposed to be a forum =in which we, as rodmakers, both professional and hobbiest, full time and =part time, do HELP each other and not comdemn each other...I don't expect to make a sales pitch to anyone on this list, =wouldn't even try to, and I certainly don't expect to impress anyone on =this list with the marketability of my website or my rods... there are, =in my opinion, a plethora of MUCH better rodmakers than me on this list. =I just asked for critique, and nothing more. My friend, there is a = YES, my web site is a commercial website, and YES, I do target the =flyfishing community, and YES, I do make my living as a bamboo rodmaker, =and nothing else. No, I don't have a NORMAL job... Rodmaking IS my =job! That is what I do... that is how I feed my family and how I put gas =in my car and how I pay my mortgage payments and that is how I put food =and drink in my own mouth... but just stand back for just a second and =think about it... if advertising OR commercialism was my goal, then why =in the world would I do that on this list? There is NOTHING for me to =gain by "advertising" to the listserv!Stuart... As far as what you apparently considered a "NOTHING BUT =COMMERCIAL" website (although, I am not trying to market anything to =ANY of the rodmakers on this list) if you don't like it, don't look at =it... if you don't want to critique, then don't comment. I was asking = to the rodmaking community on this list, as a whole... Impudent comment =has absolutely no value to this listserv! We would hope that the list =could do without such things... although, I doubt, with the nature of =human insecurity, it every will... I got plenty of critique, as I made =plenty of mistakes in writing the page, but only one condemnation... can =you guess who that was from??? You sir... You and nobody else...Originally, I started to post this in a private mail, but as you =saw fit to condemn my posting to the List, the I thought it only =reasonable to RE: your email to the list. I had one other individual =that saw fit to slam me in private mail a few months ago, but at least = gentleman had the courtesy, manners and class, to confront me in a =private email, and not post it to the list... you, Sir, chose to post to =the entire list, so you will see the rebuttal to your comments on the =entire list.As for your question... do I go to Church? Sorry, met too many ="Oh, I am so righteous" people there, like one in particular poster to =this string, and after decades of that kind of unreasonably arrogant =attitude, I don't really care to go back... I am a Christian, but not =one of those that would have the audacity to ask "Do you go to church?" =as a defense to my own insecurity... Later,Bob-----Original Message-----From: Turbotrk@aol.com rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu = Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:57 PMSubject: Re: website update Bob, do you go to church? Your site is nothing but commercial and I = have been down that rosey path before. stuart miller ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C01528.AB6A00E0 Rods" Bob = few who have stood out, even from this collection of patient and helpful = lucid. You have always been one of those. = stop. I have been glad of your advice and = both through the medium of the list and one on one. I will never split a = cane again without thinking of you. I didn't even know until tonight that = fulltime professional rodmaker. I thought your site was fine. I liked = site a few weeks back, too, and it never occurred to me that he was = hardsell models, either. Keep it up, Bob, and God =bless! Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message ----- Bob =Nunley Makers List Serve Sent: Saturday, September 02, = PMSubject: Re: website =update enjoy, get a little entertainment from and to get a little taste of = Americana... a page that was dedicated to someone that I thought the = YES, it is = = informative too, but apparently, you didn't have time to look at that = the website... If you had done like MOST others and just clicked on = part of the website and just enjoyed a little bit of flyfishing = Well, not just a little bit, but a LOT of flyfishing fun... making rods... I don't hold a "regular" job, as many call it... I am a = addition to my page, but I didn't ask you, or anyone esle on this = all, = isn't that the true spirit of the Rodmakers = Making suggestions, or providing = providing constructive criticism tomake = professional rodmakers??? (key word in last constructive, not to be confused with the term "sarcastic"), = is in the field of making rods or choosing adhesives, or culling cane, = Whether = technical info or just moral support???Just stop and think for a = I WAS trying to commercialize, why wouldI = other rodmakers... Why in the world would I be intersted = to you that my "target community" wouldbe = remotely interested in buying my like the flyfishing community, instead of the rodmaking = "friend" base and even though Idon't = you personally, I have many personal = on this list, many of whom pointed out things that I could do to = particular part of my website... one of whom, actually took a LOT of = of his busy day (thank you very much Danny Twang) to do color = my jpegs so that not only that particular page, but my entire website = much more presentable to the public... a favor which, if had the = ability that he does, I would be MORE than happy to return the = After all, this is supposed to be a forum in which we, as rodmakers, = comdemn each other... expect to impress anyone on this list with the marketability of my = between critique and condemnation... = YES, I do make my living as a bamboo rodmaker, don't = IS my job! That is what I do...that = feed my family and how I put gas in my car and how I pay my mortgage = back for just a second and think about it... if advertising OR = listserv! "NOTHING BUT (although, I am not trying to market = to ANY of the rodmakers on this= if you don't like it, don't look at it... if you don't want to = comment... comment that has no value to plenty of mistakes in writing the page, but only one condemnation... = else... private mail, but as you saw fit to condemn my posting to the List, = other individual that saw fit to slam me in private mail a few months = at least that gentleman had the courtesy, manners and class, to = me in a private email, and not post it to the list... you, Sir, chose = to the entire list, so you will see the rebuttal to your comments on = entire list. this string, and after decades of that kind of unreasonably arrogant = that would have the audacity to ask "Do you go to church?" as a = own insecurity... Later,Bob-----Original Message-----From: = <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= = ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C01528.AB6A00E0-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Sat Sep 2 06:06:24 2000 e82B6NG25519 Sat, 2 Sep 2000 06:04:08 -0500 Subject: Re: website update Lots of good photos there too, and besides, why else would one have a website, when he's a pro rod maker ? I think it a neat site, and he has a greatlooking fishing partner besides !(grinning) GMA from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Sep 2 06:46:17 2000 e82BkEG26173 Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM Organization: vet This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0152F.81975A40 "Fibre Grass Fly Rods" Tony You did realise, didn't you, that graphite, in the form of activated =charcoal, is still one of the best adsorbent materials known, and is =widely used to concentrate and localise toxic materials in medicine and =in some industrial processes. There is some evidence to suggest that the chemical industry =systematically recycles carbon, and that quite a lot of =toxin-impregnated material finds its way back directly into the =associated industries like rods, golf equipment, umbrella handles, auto =components and the like, as they tend to be made by direct subsidiaries =of the same companies. Under certain well-defined conditions of molecular instability, the =graphite can be made to yield its toxin content. Such parameters are =most frequently encountered under micro- environmental conditions of =extreme pressure and temperature, such as are generated in =compression/decompression cycles common in the cyclic flexion and =extension of fly rods and golf shafts. This dynamic liberation of toxins results in a "particle cloud" of =poisonous material, its toxicity enhanced by the presence of molecular =bonded carbon polymers, which tends to cling around the graphite shaft, =held in place by loose ionic bonds. Because of the extremely low specific gravity of this carbon/toxin =aggregate, it is particularly prone to inhalation by organisms respiring =in the immediate vicinity of the graphite shaft. Absorption via the =mucous membranes, especially in the primates (who are more susceptible =due to pre-existing respiratory damage due to prior toxin inhalation in =dense population centres) leads to rapid intoxication, with more or less =irreversible changes, mainly neurological in nature. These degenerative neurological changes are certainly most apparent in =long term golfers, although the rapidity of onset is indicative of the =potency of the toxic principle involved here, with the result that even =new golfers may be seen to be relatively severely affected. Reports are becoming quite common of similar or identical syndromes in =users of graphite fly rods. I thought that you probably needed to know that! Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM Highly recomend taking a look at this site. Especially the super gluestory. Lots of great reading.I think it's high time somebody started an urban legand re. graphite =rods.I remember the lightening one from the early days (possibly true in =someextreme situations?) but I mean maybe a combination of the lightening =thing> and maybe the bear spit story also at this site but don't use bears =usePANDAs and work whales and dolphins into the story in way.Maybe graphite even emits excessive radon, need to work on that one.Get a good story really going *then* circulate a petition to the localauthorities demanding the baning of graphite rods on animal rights =grounds,possibly even medical ones too.You doubt it could work? Look at some of the storys. Tony At 05:51 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Steve Zimmerman wrote:Please check with www.urbanlegends.com before forwarding this type ofinformation to anyone (especially a mailing list). This one is a =well-knownfraud (i.e. there's nothing to worry about). Seehttp://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/90pound.html for details. --Steve =/************************************************************************=**/ Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching =/************************************************************************=**/ ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0152F.81975A40 Rods" Tony You did realise, didn't you, that = form of activated charcoal, is still one of the best adsorbent materials = medicine and in some industrial processes. There is some evidence to suggest that= toxin-impregnated material finds its way back directly into the = industries like rods, golf equipment, umbrella handles, auto components = companies. Under certain well-defined conditions = parameters are most frequently encountered under micro- environmental = compression/decompression cycles common in the cyclic flexion and = fly rods and golf shafts. This dynamic liberation of toxins = "particle cloud" of poisonous material, its toxicity enhanced by the = molecular bonded carbon polymers, which tends to cling around the = shaft, held in place by loose ionic bonds. Because of the extremely low specific = this carbon/toxin aggregate, it is particularly prone to inhalation by = respiring in the immediate vicinity of the graphite shaft. Absorption = mucous membranes, especially in the primates (who are more susceptible = population centres) leads to rapid intoxication, with more or less = changes, mainly neurological in nature. These degenerative neurologicalchanges = certainly most apparent in long term golfers, although the rapidity of = indicative of the potency of the toxic principle involved here, with the = affected. Reports are becoming quite common of= I thought that you probably needed to = that! Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling= the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Tony Young" = Cc: "RodMakers" Sent: Saturday, September 02,2000 = PMSubject: Re: PHONE =SCAM = /************************************************************************= /************************************************************************= ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0152F.81975A40-- from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Sep 2 06:57:47 2000 e82BvjG26401 Subject: Previous Organization: vet This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C01531.1D603900 Tony than fly fishermen, partly because the rod is held in closer proximity =to the respiratory passages than is the golf shaft, and partly for the =same reason that one automobile suffers less damage in a smash than do =five automobiles! Cheers Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C01531.1D603900 Tony suffer less brain damage than fly fishermen, partly because the rod is = closer proximity to the respiratory passages than is the golf = partly for the same reason that one automobile suffers less damage in a = than do five automobiles! Cheers Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling= the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C01531.1D603900-- from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Sat Sep 2 08:05:06 2000 e82D56G27204 Subject: Re: website update Stuart,You are wrong about Bob!! Great Pics Bob Joseph A Perrigo II from dpeaston@wzrd.com Sat Sep 2 08:29:39 2000 e82DTcG28818 Subject: Re: Apology Thanks for all the help, Bob, no need to apologize. Fifty years ago a"commercial" rod maker would never have been so generous as to activelyparticipate in the ongoing conversation that comes through this list. As for church; You do fish, don't you. Best regards, -Doug Easton At 03:47 AM 9/2/00 -0500, Bob Nunley wrote: Gentlemen and gentlewomen of the list, I want to apologize for my tirade in the previousposting. Those of you, and there are many, who made suggestions, andhelped me with that addition to my website, I thank you from the bottomof my heart. I want to extend a special thanks to Danny Twang, who tooktime out of his extremely busy day to correct the color and clarity of myimage files. I also want to thank each and every one of you that told meof the mistakes I made on the new page (there were plenty of those, forsure) and helped me with your commentary and suggestions for correctingthose mistakes. I don't generally take anyones comments personally, but I did Mr.Millers, and I should not have posted my rebuttal to his comment,regardless of my feelings about it, to this list. I should have keptthat private, between Stuart and myself. Please accept my apology and Iwill do my best to (no promises), in the future, count to 10 before Ipost, instead of getting defensive and typing exactly what is on my mind. This list is most probably the best thing that has ever happened tomodern bamboo rodmaking, and I feel terrible that my little ( or big )temper tantrum may have compromised the heart and soul of this Listserv. I hope the members will accept my apology. Those of you that know mepersonally, know that I don't generally lose my temper, and I should nothave this morning when i read Mr. Miller's posting. I hope I have notoffended anyone else on the list, and if I have, then I am truly sorry. Thanks, Bob R.L. "Bob" Nunley, Rodmaker Custom Split Bamboo Fly Rods http://members.clnk.com/caneman/images/flystuff/caneindex.htm from TBOWDEN@halcyon.com Sat Sep 2 10:43:25 2000 e82FhOG01195 Subject: Varnish Thinning I'm getting ready to finish my first rod, using Pratt and Lambert R- 10polyurethane. The plan is to coat the wraps 3 times & then dip 3 times.Question - should I thin the varnish with mineral spirits? If so, how much?Any help would be appreciated. from gjm80301@yahoo.com Sat Sep 2 10:51:43 2000 e82FpgG01451 2000 08:56:07 PDT Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM The lightening thing definitely has some validity. Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of south park, CO a few times around3 PM with graphite and you will know what I mean. The rod willtingle in your hand. --- Tony Young wrote:Highly recomend taking a look at this site. Especially the supergluestory. Lots of great reading.I think it's high time somebody started an urban legand re.graphite rods.I remember the lightening one from the early days (possibly true insomeextreme situations?) but I mean maybe a combination of thelightening thingand maybe the bear spit story also at this site but don't use bearsusePANDAs and work whales and dolphins into the story in way.Maybe graphite even emits excessive radon, need to work on thatone.Get a good story really going *then* circulate a petition to thelocalauthorities demanding the baning of graphite rods on animal rightsgrounds,possibly even medical ones too.You doubt it could work? Look at some of the storys. Tony At 05:51 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Steve Zimmerman wrote:Please check with www.urbanlegends.com before forwarding this typeofinformation to anyone (especially a mailing list). This one is awell-knownfraud (i.e. there's nothing to worry about). Seehttp://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/90pound.html for details. --Steve /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sat Sep 2 11:18:59 2000 e82GIwG02011 09:18:53 PDT Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM i think we're "taking the long way around the barn"here as my dad would say ;-) timothy --- petermckean wrote:"Fibre Grass Fly Rods" Tony You did realise, didn't you, that graphite, in theform of activated charcoal, is still one of the bestadsorbent materials known, and is widely used toconcentrate and localise toxic materials in medicineand in some industrial processes. There is some evidence to suggest that the chemicalindustry systematically recycles carbon, and thatquite a lot of toxin-impregnated material finds itsway back directly into the associated industrieslike rods, golf equipment, umbrella handles, autocomponents and the like, as they tend to be made bydirect subsidiaries of the same companies. Under certain well-defined conditions of molecularinstability, the graphite can be made to yield itstoxin content. Such parameters are most frequentlyencountered under micro- environmental conditions ofextreme pressure and temperature, such as aregenerated in compression/decompression cycles commonin the cyclic flexion and extension of fly rods andgolf shafts. This dynamic liberation of toxins results in a"particle cloud" of poisonous material, its toxicityenhanced by the presence of molecular bonded carbonpolymers, which tends to cling around the graphiteshaft, held in place by loose ionic bonds. Because of the extremely low specific gravity ofthis carbon/toxin aggregate, it is particularlyprone to inhalation by organisms respiring in theimmediate vicinity of the graphite shaft. Absorptionvia the mucous membranes, especially in the primates(who are more susceptible due to pre- existingrespiratory damage due to prior toxin inhalation indense population centres) leads to rapidintoxication, with more or less irreversiblechanges, mainly neurological in nature. These degenerative neurological changes arecertainly most apparent in long term golfers,although the rapidity of onset is indicative of thepotency of the toxic principle involved here, withthe result that even new golfers may be seen to berelatively severely affected. Reports are becoming quite common of similar or I thought that you probably needed to know that! Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by thelong silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Young" Cc: "RodMakers" ; Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 12:16 PMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM Highly recomend taking a look at this site.Especially the super gluestory. Lots of great reading.I think it's high time somebody started an urbanlegand re. graphite rods.I remember the lightening one from the early days(possibly true in someextreme situations?) but I mean maybe acombination of the lightening thingand maybe the bear spit story also at this sitebut don't use bears usePANDAs and work whales and dolphins into the storyin way.Maybe graphite even emits excessive radon, need towork on that one.Get a good story really going *then* circulate apetition to the localauthorities demanding the baning of graphite rodson animal rights grounds,possibly even medical ones too.You doubt it could work? Look at some of thestorys. Tony At 05:51 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Steve Zimmerman wrote:Please check with www.urbanlegends.com beforeforwarding this type ofinformation to anyone (especially a mailinglist). This one is a well-knownfraud (i.e. there's nothing to worry about). Seehttp://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/90pound.html fordetails. --Steve /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at:www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from martinj@aa.net Sat Sep 2 11:39:32 2000 e82GdVG02438 Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:39:28 -0700 Subject: RE: Varnish Thinning How are you going to coat the rod? dip? brush? I dip and I don't thin. Ifthe varnish is about 80 degrees it is already a little thinned as far asapplying it goes. I used to heat to 90 but had problems with the secondcoat. I quit this practice and problems went away. I make sure the varnishis above 70 and not over about 80 degrees. I had problems when I wentoutside these parameters. Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- Subject: Varnish Thinning I'm getting ready to finish my first rod, using Pratt and Lambert R- 10polyurethane. The plan is to coat the wraps 3 times & then dip 3 times.Question - should I thin the varnish with mineral spirits? If so, how much?Any help would be appreciated. from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Sat Sep 2 12:19:00 2000 e82HJ0G03234 Subject: Re: Apology Bob, I for one like to see other rod makers websites. Since we are all so dispersed in our own little corners of the world , it is a great way for us non proffesional builders and wanna be builders to put faces with people who we may never get to meet. I love to look at how different people do their thing , because, as in any craft/ creative type of thing, no two people ever do things exactly the same. By this forum allowing us to post our own web addresses, ect., we are exposed to a large array of ways of doing things we might never get to see other wise. As a beginning bamboo student, I have gathered a ton of information from this list and by scanning all of the websites that get some exposure here, and am very greatful to all, I think one of the great things about this list is the willingness of the masters to help us rookies, and I think this goes a LONG way in preventing the bamboo rod industry from getting polluted with hacks,and hurting the lot of us. So many industries are so cutthroat, that they actually hurt each other,instead of helping themselves. I don't see that here. from what I see, the people who are top notch in this addiction called bamboo, want everyone else in it, to excell as well, which will keep the reputation of bamboo being one of the finer things in life , an on-going tradition, rather than another profitized, doomed adventure. To all you folks on this list who help us newbies out, thank you and bravo!And a personal note to Bob: I never got to the fun page you up-dated , got engrossed in the rest of it! I'll have to go back.Jim FlinchbaughNW Montanawww.digisys.net/users/flyrod(warning! this site contains plastic!) from edriddle@mindspring.com Sat Sep 2 13:20:08 2000 e82IK5G04440 Subject: Bob's Website Bob: You're a great asset to this List. I remember well that you were among thefirst to provided helpful answers to my early questions when I joined upabout a year ago. I'm not offended at all by your measured response. I would've come loose atthe seams if someone had expressed concern with my churchgoing. Hang in there. Ed from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Sat Sep 2 15:08:09 2000 e82K89G06316 Subject: test ignore please mail server problems testing 1,2,3 from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sat Sep 2 15:44:57 2000 e82KiuG06908 13:47:56 PDT Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when a buddy got itwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man that roddesentigraded in a big glowing ball of dust. he livedbut was a bit more weather conscience after that. timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has some validity. Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of south park, CO afew times around3 PM with graphite and you will know what I mean. The rod willtingle in your hand. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from bob@downandacross.com Sat Sep 2 18:14:36 2000 e82NEZG09244 Subject: Re: Apology, now JiIm's site --=====================_11362888==_.ALT Hi Jim:I looked at the site listed in your signature tag, and it is very well done. Could you share with us how you do the computerized labels? They look great in the rod in your site. Sorry if this has been done before, but this is the first actual example I have seen.Thanks,Bob Jim FlinchbaughNW Montanawww.digisys.net/users/flyrod(warning! this site contains plastic!) Bob Mauluccidownandacross.comSplit Cane Fly Rods and Silk Lines --=====================_11362888==_.ALT Hi Jim:I looked at the site listed in your signature tag, and it is very welldone. Could you share with us how you do the computerized labels? Theylook great in the rod in your site. Sorry if this has been done before,but this is the first actual example I have seen.Thanks,Bob NW Montana Bob Mauluccidownandacross.com SplitCane Fly Rods and Silk Lines --=====================_11362888==_.ALT-- from bob@downandacross.com Sat Sep 2 19:33:59 2000 e830XwG10265 Subject: test --=====================_16129821==_.ALT Bob Mauluccidownandacross.comSplit Cane Fly Rods and Silk Lines --=====================_16129821==_.ALT Bob Mauluccidownandacross.com SplitCane Fly Rods and Silk Lines --=====================_16129821==_.ALT-- from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sat Sep 2 20:30:45 2000 e831UjG10987 "'teekay35@interlynx.net '" Subject: RE: PHONE SCAM Tony - Did you know that the main reason for the inadequacy of US children incertain kinds of math has been the shortage of graph paper due to the useofall the available graphite in those rods and/or stealth warplanes? Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM Highly recomend taking a look at this site. Especially the super gluestory. Lots of great reading.I think it's high time somebody started an urban legand re. graphiterods.I remember the lightening one from the early days (possibly true in someextreme situations?) but I mean maybe a combination of the lighteningthingand maybe the bear spit story also at this site but don't use bears usePANDAs and work whales and dolphins into the story in way.Maybe graphite even emits excessive radon, need to work on that one.Get a good story really going *then* circulate a petition to the localauthorities demanding the baning of graphite rods on animal rightsgrounds,possibly even medical ones too.You doubt it could work? Look at some of the storys. Tony At 05:51 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Steve Zimmerman wrote:Please check with www.urbanlegends.com before forwarding this type ofinformation to anyone (especially a mailing list). This one is awell-knownfraud (i.e. there's nothing to worry about). Seehttp://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/90pound.html for details. --Steve /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from martinj@aa.net Sat Sep 2 21:26:24 2000 e832QNG12810 Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:26:21 -0700 "'rod 'akers'" Subject: RE: PHONE SCAM I would tend to think that "anything" waved through the air with a longstring attached to a metal object would be a hazard during athunderstorm.... Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when a buddy got itwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man that roddesentigraded in a big glowing ball of dust. he livedbut was a bit more weather conscience after that.timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has some validity.Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of south park, CO afew times around3 PM with graphite and you will know what I mean.The rod willtingle in your hand. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Sep 3 04:56:43 2000 e839ueG18840 Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM Organization: vet Tim Yep! Sure am! Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM i think we're "taking the long way around the barn"here as my dad would say ;-) timothy --- petermckean wrote:"Fibre Grass Fly Rods" Tony You did realise, didn't you, that graphite, in theform of activated charcoal, is still one of the bestadsorbent materials known, and is widely used toconcentrate and localise toxic materials in medicineand in some industrial processes. There is some evidence to suggest that the chemicalindustry systematically recycles carbon, and thatquite a lot of toxin-impregnated material finds itsway back directly into the associated industrieslike rods, golf equipment, umbrella handles, autocomponents and the like, as they tend to be made bydirect subsidiaries of the same companies. Under certain well-defined conditions of molecularinstability, the graphite can be made to yield itstoxin content. Such parameters are most frequentlyencountered under micro- environmental conditions ofextreme pressure and temperature, such as aregenerated in compression/decompression cycles commonin the cyclic flexion and extension of fly rods andgolf shafts. This dynamic liberation of toxins results in a"particle cloud" of poisonous material, its toxicityenhanced by the presence of molecular bonded carbonpolymers, which tends to cling around the graphiteshaft, held in place by loose ionic bonds. Because of the extremely low specific gravity ofthis carbon/toxin aggregate, it is particularlyprone to inhalation by organisms respiring in theimmediate vicinity of the graphite shaft. Absorptionvia the mucous membranes, especially in the primates(who are more susceptible due to pre- existingrespiratory damage due to prior toxin inhalation indense population centres) leads to rapidintoxication, with more or less irreversiblechanges, mainly neurological in nature. These degenerative neurological changes arecertainly most apparent in long term golfers,although the rapidity of onset is indicative of thepotency of the toxic principle involved here, withthe result that even new golfers may be seen to berelatively severely affected. Reports are becoming quite common of similar or I thought that you probably needed to know that! Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by thelong silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Young" Cc: "RodMakers" ; Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 12:16 PMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM Highly recomend taking a look at this site.Especially the super gluestory. Lots of great reading.I think it's high time somebody started an urbanlegand re. graphite rods.I remember the lightening one from the early days(possibly true in someextreme situations?) but I mean maybe acombination of the lightening thingand maybe the bear spit story also at this sitebut don't use bears usePANDAs and work whales and dolphins into the storyin way.Maybe graphite even emits excessive radon, need towork on that one.Get a good story really going *then* circulate apetition to the localauthorities demanding the baning of graphite rodson animal rights grounds,possibly even medical ones too.You doubt it could work? Look at some of thestorys. Tony At 05:51 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Steve Zimmerman wrote:Please check with www.urbanlegends.com beforeforwarding this type ofinformation to anyone (especially a mailinglist). This one is a well-knownfraud (i.e. there's nothing to worry about). Seehttp://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/90pound.html fordetails. --Steve /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at:www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will convergeIn the hub of a wheel;But the use of the cartWill depend on the partOf the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Sun Sep 3 05:22:21 2000 e83AMKG19251 +0100 Subject: Hardy Jock Scot Taper I am still trying to get hold of a Taper for the Hary Jock Scot baitCaster....has anyone out there got one please? Paul from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Sep 3 07:51:26 2000 e83CpOG20738 Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM Organization: vet This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01601.C4711EA0 Tim Yes, that "standin on the bank when the buddy got it " is the essential =urban myth, and no bullshit! Cuts right to the meat! Good one. petermckean@netspace.net.au "My rods are made from fibregrass." Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when a buddy got itwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man that roddesentigraded in a big glowing ball of dust. he lived timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote: Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of south park, CO afew times around The rod willtingle in your hand. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D"Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01601.C4711EA0 Tim Yes, that "standin on the bankwhen = got it " is the essential urban myth, and no bullshit! Cuts right to the = meat! Good one. petermckean@netspace.net.au fibregrass." ----- Original Message ----- = From: "timothy troester" = Sent: Sunday, September 03,2000 = AMSubject: Re: PHONE =SCAM = = = morning = ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01601.C4711EA0-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Sun Sep 3 08:14:32 2000 e83DEWG21501 Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:12:05 -0500 "av young" Subject: Re: Previous I wonder if this isn't similar to a rat getting cancer if he drinks 250barrels of Diet Pepsi a day ! Dr's. testified to such, when the sugarindustry lobbied to get calcimines banned in the 1960's ! GMA from nobler@satx.rr.com Sun Sep 3 08:16:17 2000 e83DGGG21622 Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:14:00 -0500 "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Apology Has anyone ever felt less close to their God, when out in HIS nature ? GMA from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Sep 3 08:46:16 2000 e83DkFG22190 06:49:47 PDT Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM "rod 'akers" peter, when we ran down the hill he was sitting onthe bank with the rod handle in his hand and smokecoming off his head. he passed away this passed julyand i fished out of his flybox in aug thru the samestretch of river where he got tapped. i had one ofthe best runs on a stretch of the river i ever had. i've fished with old men all my life and it seems i'mfishing by myself more these days. i guess i'll haveto get use to it or find some young blood. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim Yes, that "standin on the bank when the buddy got it" is the essential urban myth, and no bullshit! Cutsright to the meat! Good one. petermckean@netspace.net.au "My rods are made from fibregrass." ----- Original Message ----- From: "timothy troester" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:47 AMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when a buddy gotitwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man that roddesentigraded in a big glowing ball of dust. helivedbut was a bit more weather conscience after that. timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has somevalidity. Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of south park,CO afew times around3 PM with graphite and you will know what Imean. The rod willtingle in your hand. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Sep 3 08:53:18 2000 e83DrFG22412 Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM Organization: vet Tim These things just get better and better - "with the rod handle in his handand the smoke comin' off his head". If you cannot create a decent urban myth here, it won't be for lack oftrying. "Seems I'm fishin' more by myself these days"... You see, I'm trying to handle more the filibuster end of the thing. peterpetermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM peter, when we ran down the hill he was sitting onthe bank with the rod handle in his hand and smokecoming off his head. he passed away this passed julyand i fished out of his flybox in aug thru the samestretch of river where he got tapped. i had one ofthe best runs on a stretch of the river i ever had.i've fished with old men all my life and it seems i'mfishing by myself more these days. i guess i'll haveto get use to it or find some young blood. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim Yes, that "standin on the bank when the buddy got it" is the essential urban myth, and no bullshit! Cutsright to the meat! Good one. petermckean@netspace.net.au "My rods are made from fibregrass." ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:47 AMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when a buddy gotitwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man that roddesentigraded in a big glowing ball of dust. helivedbut was a bit more weather conscience after that.timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has somevalidity.Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of south park,CO afew times around3 PM with graphite and you will know what Imean.The rod willtingle in your hand. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Sep 3 09:08:34 2000 e83E8YG22749 07:12:23 PDT Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM "rod 'akers" oh, i get it! you're just calling me a liar. whydon't you get a life. try really going fishing or maybe you could really build a bamboo fly rod instead ofbeing a lurker. you don't know me or anything aboutme. what in the hell did i ever do to you anyway. you appear to be pretty gutless and lowdown from wherei sit. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim These things just get better and better - "with therod handle in his handand the smoke comin' off his head". If you cannot create a decent urban myth here, itwon't be for lack oftrying. "Seems I'm fishin' more by myself these days"... You see, I'm trying to handle more the filibusterend of the thing. peterpetermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by thelong silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" "rod 'akers" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:49 PMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM peter, when we ran down the hill he was sittingonthe bank with the rod handle in his hand and smokecoming off his head. he passed away this passedjulyand i fished out of his flybox in aug thru thesamestretch of river where he got tapped. i had oneofthe best runs on a stretch of the river i everhad.i've fished with old men all my life and it seemsi'mfishing by myself more these days. i guess i'llhaveto get use to it or find some young blood. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim Yes, that "standin on the bank when the buddygot it" is the essential urban myth, and no bullshit!Cutsright to the meat! Good one. petermckean@netspace.net.au "My rods are made from fibregrass." ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:47 AMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when a buddygotitwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man thatroddesentigraded in a big glowing ball of dust. helivedbut was a bit more weather conscience afterthat.timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has somevalidity.Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of southpark,CO afew times around3 PM with graphite and you will know what Imean.The rod willtingle in your hand. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sun Sep 3 09:49:18 2000 e83EnIG23316 Subject: RE: PHONE SCAM Yeah and that dead fisherman was my father (I think). -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM oh, i get it! you're just calling me a liar. whydon't you get a life. try really going fishing or maybe you could really build a bamboo fly rod instead ofbeing a lurker. you don't know me or anything aboutme. what in the hell did i ever do to you anyway. you appear to be pretty gutless and lowdown from wherei sit. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim These things just get better and better - "with therod handle in his handand the smoke comin' off his head". If you cannot create a decent urban myth here, itwon't be for lack oftrying. "Seems I'm fishin' more by myself these days"... You see, I'm trying to handle more the filibusterend of the thing. peterpetermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by thelong silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" "rod 'akers" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:49 PMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM peter, when we ran down the hill he was sittingonthe bank with the rod handle in his hand and smokecoming off his head. he passed away this passedjulyand i fished out of his flybox in aug thru thesamestretch of river where he got tapped. i had oneofthe best runs on a stretch of the river i everhad.i've fished with old men all my life and it seemsi'mfishing by myself more these days. i guess i'llhaveto get use to it or find some young blood. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim Yes, that "standin on the bank when the buddygot it" is the essential urban myth, and no bullshit!Cutsright to the meat! Good one. petermckean@netspace.net.au "My rods are made from fibregrass." ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:47 AMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when a buddygotitwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man thatroddesentigraded in a big glowing ball of dust. helivedbut was a bit more weather conscience afterthat.timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has somevalidity.Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of southpark,CO afew times around3 PM with graphite and you will know what Imean.The rod willtingle in your hand. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from channer1@rmi.net Sun Sep 3 09:58:07 2000 e83Ew6G23549 Subject: 6611 Guys;In what may be a vain attempt to change the subject, I taped the guidesand lawn cast what turned out to be my own version of Dickerson's 6611the other day and it is SWEET. When I set the taper for the butt sectioni tried to get as much swell in it right in frontof the grip as i couldand then when I trimmed the blank i set the tape measure from the frontof the grip and trimmed it to keep the swell out in front of the cork,not very scientific, but I figured that the worst that could happen wasthat it would turn out to be firewood. As i made it from some left-overbadly spotted strips from a previos rod i didn't mind either way. What iwound up with is perhaps the nicest casting rod I've made yet. i haveyet to fish it(one more coat of varnish to go), but man it can cast inthe grass. Throws a loop so tight it hurts and can fire it out there along way. My casting skills are mediocre at best, so I will have to getsomeone who can really test it to try it out, but i could do things withit that I thought were way beyond me. Anyone who is interested, I savedit on Franks Hexrod as jc6611 and the original taper from The LovelyReed as 6611.John from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Sun Sep 3 10:45:00 2000 e83FixG24244 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site (kinda long) --Message-Boundary-13699 Hi Bob, and allthe computerized label I use is the result of about a years worth of experimenting. After several trying lots of different decal papers, waterslide decals, labels and misc. things, what I finally got to work was to use a self adhesive label paper made by Avery. It is a white, full sheet, self adhesive label 8 1/2" by 11" and is coated for photo type printing (shiny finish). The coating keeps the epoxy finish from bleeding the colors together, I just experiment on regular paper till I get the size of the fonts and the overall look right , then print it on the label paperThe basic procedure was: 1: Scanned the rod blank on my flatbead scanner to obtain a color sample for the background of the label. 2: I used Microsoft's Excel spreadsheet and "filled" enough sections (or cells) with my scanned color, to create a background slightly larger than what I will need.This allows the lable to "dissappear" into the blank when the epoxy finish is applied. 3: Then using whatever font style and color you wish simply fill in the blanks and then resize everything so it fits and looks right ( you can control the "cell" sizes with the Excel spread sheet) 4:Print the lable and allow to dry 5: Measure the diameter of the rod blank at each end of the label postion, and calculate circumference and cut label accordingly, then when applied, the top and bottom edges come together and you avoid a Bump where they would otherwise overlap. This is where the fun part is. When you apply the epoxy the label may want to loose its grip and lift up at the seem, This has been a slight problem but if you are very careful when applying the label not to touch the adhesive side with your fingers, it remains much more sticky. Does'nt matter how clean you fingers are if you touch the sticky stuff, you will leave oil on it\.6: Wrap the ends of the label like you would a signature wrap, overlaping onto the label . Do not cover any writing on the label.I want to experiment with using some fine white silk and completely overwrap the label and then epoxy. I have seen repairs to cane rods that where virtually invisible using this technique and if it doesnt make the label appear cloudy or goofy looking it would eliminate any tendancy of the label to lift at the seems. I just havent had time to try it yet\.7: Take you new creation out and catch a fish with it!! The specifics of the label paper areAvery # 8255 Full sheet white lables This is a long reply but I hope it explains it well enough. Like I said I said, I messed aound for a year and probably spent 75 bucks on different pens and papers trying to find somthing I liked. This seems to work pretty good, even tho' it can require some fussing around. But then, thats what keeps us going aint it?I attached a small Jpeg of a label so you can see the whole thing Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod --Message-Boundary-13699 The following section of this message contains a file attachmentprepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format.If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system,you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer.If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information -----------File: label sample.JPGDate: 3 Sep 2000, 9:04Size: 15186 bytes.Type: JPEG-image --Message-Boundary-13699 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--Message-Boundary-13699-- from fiveside@net-gate.com Sun Sep 3 11:57:52 2000 e83GvpG25253 Subject: More Phone Scam To The List,The original Phone Scam messages appear to have been written in alight-hearted vein but they did recall a recent paper by a group that mayhave been called the Harvard Yard Sports Medicine Group who wereinvestigating a statistically large incidence of things like Tennis Elbow,Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and lower back pain among fly fishers. Their studyindicated that the unnatural casting motions required to flip large corkbobbers (AKA strike indicators) was the direct cause of this new problem.The next step seems to be that Medical Insurers will begin to withholdcoverage to bobber fishers unless they use the prescribed forked stick. Bill from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Sep 3 12:02:34 2000 e83H2XG25465 10:02:31 PDT Subject: Re: More Phone Scam all kidding aside. i struggled with an elbow problem found no humor in it believe me. it got to the pointi would have sit on that forked stick if it would havemade it better. timothy --- Bill Fink wrote:To The List,The original Phone Scam messages appear to havebeen written in alight-hearted vein but they did recall a recentpaper by a group that mayhave been called the Harvard Yard Sports MedicineGroup who wereinvestigating a statistically large incidence ofthings like Tennis Elbow,Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and lower back pain among flyfishers. Their studyindicated that the unnatural casting motionsrequired to flip large corkbobbers (AKA strike indicators) was the direct causeof this new problem.The next step seems to be that Medical Insurers willbegin to withholdcoverage to bobber fishers unless they use theprescribed forked stick. Bill ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from caneman@clnk.com Sun Sep 3 12:18:05 2000 e83HI4G25900 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: 6611 John,Ain't it funny how when your playing with waterstained strips that youwoudn't sell to anyone, that the "experimental" rod always turns out to be agreat rod! It's almost a sure bet! :^) Congrats... sounds like you ranonto a jewel.Just curious, looks like you've been getting quite a bit of rain, and alittle cooler temperatures. Do you know if that is perking up the smallstreams any, or is it just running off and things are about the same?Asking because I'm thinking about running up to the Aspen Area in acouple of weeks and trying some places I found out about on the way back from Montana last month. Later,Bob-----Original Message----- Subject: 6611 Guys;In what may be a vain attempt to change the subject, I taped the guidesand lawn cast what turned out to be my own version of Dickerson's 6611the other day and it is SWEET. When I set the taper for the butt sectioni tried to get as much swell in it right in frontof the grip as i couldand then when I trimmed the blank i set the tape measure from the frontof the grip and trimmed it to keep the swell out in front of the cork,not very scientific, but I figured that the worst that could happen wasthat it would turn out to be firewood. As i made it from some left-overbadly spotted strips from a previos rod i didn't mind either way. What iwound up with is perhaps the nicest casting rod I've made yet. i haveyet to fish it(one more coat of varnish to go), but man it can cast inthe grass. Throws a loop so tight it hurts and can fire it out there along way. My casting skills are mediocre at best, so I will have to getsomeone who can really test it to try it out, but i could do things withit that I thought were way beyond me. Anyone who is interested, I savedit on Franks Hexrod as jc6611 and the original taper from The LovelyReed as 6611.John from eharrison241@earthlink.net Sun Sep 3 13:22:49 2000 e83IMmG26875 LAA26564 Subject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site Jim,Did you try Avery's transparent labels?Ernie Hi Bob, and allthe computerized label I use is the result of about a years worth of experimenting. After several trying lots of different decal papers, waterslide decals, labels and misc. things, what I finally got to work was to use a self adhesive label paper made by Avery. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Sep 3 21:10:44 2000 e842AgG03773 Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:10:29 +0800 Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:10:28 +0800 Subject: Re: website update I've come into this a bit late so I should prob just shutup He's gone to a lot of trouble to help me out at various times andconsidering he's a pro maker I'm sure I don't know where he finds thetime to do this.I saw his update and can't see the problem. Sure you see it's acommercial page but it's not as if once you were there you got hijackedinto looking at things you didn't want to see.The pics in question were good natured and seemed to me nothing more thana bloke's holiday pics.The rest of the site was worth a look too.The worst you could expect from seeing the page is you now know a littlemore about one of the listers. Tony/**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: the hub of a the use of the depend on the the hub that is void. advantage is had whatever is there; usefulness arises whatever is not. Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Sep 3 21:24:30 2000 e842OLG04087 Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:24:12 +0800 Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM I own a 13' graphite surf rod from back in my teens when I did a lot ofbeach fishing and I've felt the tingling you mention during thunder storms.Being a teenager and therefore stupid (a sweeping statement I know and nottrue in all cases but definately so in mine) as well as lucky I'd keepfishing and wonder if I'd ever see a St. Elmo's Fire. Never did.Sounds like Peter's report on the toxicidy of graphite rods makes thepossibility of electricution downright preferable. A few more messages along these lines will have an UM goingunder it's own inertia. Tony At 08:56 AM 9/2/00 -0700, Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has some validity. Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of south park, CO a few times around3 PM with graphite and you will know what I mean. The rod willtingle in your hand. --- Tony Young wrote:Highly recomend taking a look at this site. Especially the supergluestory. Lots of great reading.I think it's high time somebody started an urban legand re.graphite rods.I remember the lightening one from the early days (possibly true insomeextreme situations?) but I mean maybe a combination of thelightening thingand maybe the bear spit story also at this site but don't use bearsusePANDAs and work whales and dolphins into the story in way.Maybe graphite even emits excessive radon, need to work on thatone.Get a good story really going *then* circulate a petition to thelocalauthorities demanding the baning of graphite rods on animal rightsgrounds,possibly even medical ones too.You doubt it could work? Look at some of the storys. Tony At 05:51 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Steve Zimmerman wrote:Please check with www.urbanlegends.com before forwarding this typeofinformation to anyone (especially a mailing list). This one is awell-knownfraud (i.e. there's nothing to worry about). Seehttp://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/90pound.html for details. --Steve /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from channer1@rmi.net Sun Sep 3 21:30:56 2000 e842UtG04586 Subject: re:6611 Guys;I went back to hexrod to check on something Tim told me and discoveredthat when you enter jc6611 and retrieve the taper it drops the jc partwhen it asks you if it is correct. If you enter jc6611, you will get myversion, when you enter 6611, you get the taper I entered from TheLovely Reed. Sorry about any confusion, but they are both there. Now Iguess I will have to build the origina;l, just to see which one isbetter. Give me a year or two.John from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Sep 3 22:27:05 2000 e843R2G05751 Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:26:19 +0800 Subject: Lightening strikes "'rod 'akers'" You're right. All kidding aside now, lightening is wierd in the way it works and thereare lots of dare I say it? Urban Myths sorounding it. As outdoorsmen andwomen we should be aware of it and how to take precautions.I'm no expert on this but there are some things to keep in mind that I'veseen or been told by people who know.It doesn't matter what material the rod is made from, some materails willconduct current better than others but anything especially anything with adefinate terminating point such as a tip top on a rod will do and more sowhen everything is wet.You are prob aware that grounded lightening strikes are a two way thing.Lightening isn't just striking from above but also simultaneously from theground and the actual point at which the two meet is somewhere between theground and the clouds and that point is generaly but not always the highestpoint in the vacinity. Also lightening does indeed strike twice in the sameplace.Amonst yachties there is a general idea that dry lightening strikes onyachts are the most dangerous because the lightening earths along the mastand through the keel while lightening during rain will follow the wetstructure and earth along the hull. Don't know about this one. I just knowsailing during lightening is scarey.If you find yourself in a very forrested area during a severe thunder stormyou're prob ok but if the trees are sparse or nonexistant you should decideon what to do. If you look around and discover you are the high point you should lay down,not sit but lay down.If there is cover don't sit right up against a tree trunk or rock face and of becoming a part of the earthing of a strike.If you dcide to keep walking at least keep the rod tip down.One other thing to remember and this is something I have witnessed islightening will follow a crack in rock for a long way. When I was in myteens and as mentioned prev therefore stupid I considered myself somethingof an alpinist. A friend and I were climbing in Arthurs Pass in NZ. Thisarea is a mixture of rock and snow/ice and as a rule if you can place abelay in either solid looking rock or snow take the rock. I placed twopitons in a crack in the rock and belayed my friend who led up & across asteep snow slope. My belay was pretty much a hanging belay, my feet were incontact with the rock but that was all. There was thunder going on above usbut we mistakenly thought we'd be ok. There was a close strike about 200feet above, I saw the pitons glow yellow and my nylon slings connecting meto the pitons burnt through instantly and I went on a pendulum swing acrossthe slope expreiencing what I was sure was my last sensation on this earth.When I came to a stop my friend was directly above me and we were bothhanging on a very dodgy looking ice screw.Anyhow, obviously we survived but it's sometimes a fine line between a goodstory and a wooden box. Tony At 07:25 PM 9/2/00 -0700, Martin Jensen wrote:I would tend to think that "anything" waved through the air with a longstring attached to a metal object would be a hazard during athunderstorm.... Martin Jensen -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 1:48 PM Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when a buddy got itwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man that roddesentigraded in a big glowing ball of dust. he livedbut was a bit more weather conscience after that.timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has some validity.Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of south park, CO afew times around3 PM with graphite and you will know what I mean.The rod willtingle in your hand. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Sep 3 22:39:31 2000 e843dSG06056 Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:38:34 +0800 Subject: Re: Perfect GIFT for GOLFERS Dear Sir,it was with great interest and excitement I read of your ad andaccompanying link to your site re. How To Hit The Golf Ball As Straight AsYou Can Point...Unfortunately your link does not appear to go anywhere. As I have no skill nor the desire to attain it but I do have very deeppockets with lots of money I'd be more than interested in any products youcould advise me that I need to impress my friends. Yours in frenzied anticipation, Dick Head. At 09:09 PM 9/3/00 +0000, pezman6@priority-fins.com wrote:AS SEEN ON TV How To Hit The Golf Ball As Straight As You Can Point...Guaranteed. The Last Golf Lesson You Will Ever Need!Click Here NOW http://1078373974/%67o%6C%66/ OR http://1085307274/%67%6F%6C%66/index.htm /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Sep 3 22:57:57 2000 e843vsG06521 Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:57:46 +0800 Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:57:44 +0800 avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM "rod 'akers" Steady on bit. When I read your post I thought it was just a part of the UMthread as well.I can tell you absolutely Peter was not casting any aspersions towards youbut looked at your post in the context of the light heated threadspecifically relating to creating an Urban Myth.I recently saw a David Letterman show where a woman guest who was aForestRanger was telling the audience about how to behave around bears.When she mentioned her husband was mauled and killed by a bear while shewatched all she got was laughter from the audience.I'm still not sure if she was really a Ranger or a particularly straightcomedian but she seemed to me to be the genuine article but she saidsomething that was very easily taken in a different context to how sheintended because of the circumstances.There are a lot of people with different backgrounds on this list andmissiles sent in the heat of the moment are prob not a very good idea. Just for the record, Peter makes very nice bamboo rods. He just has aTasmanian's sense of humor which is slightly to the left of the averageAussie's idea of funny. I guess that's what happens when you live whereDueling Banjos is never out of the top 10 in the record charts. :-) Tony At 07:12 AM 9/3/00 -0700, timothy troester wrote:oh, i get it! you're just calling me a liar. whydon't you get a life. try really going fishing or maybe you could really build a bamboo fly rod instead ofbeing a lurker. you don't know me or anything aboutme. what in the hell did i ever do to you anyway. you appear to be pretty gutless and lowdown from wherei sit. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim These things just get better and better - "with therod handle in his handand the smoke comin' off his head". If you cannot create a decent urban myth here, itwon't be for lack oftrying. "Seems I'm fishin' more by myself these days"... You see, I'm trying to handle more the filibusterend of the thing. peterpetermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by thelong silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" "rod 'akers" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:49 PMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM peter, when we ran down the hill he was sittingonthe bank with the rod handle in his hand and smokecoming off his head. he passed away this passedjulyand i fished out of his flybox in aug thru thesamestretch of river where he got tapped. i had oneofthe best runs on a stretch of the river i everhad.i've fished with old men all my life and it seemsi'mfishing by myself more these days. i guess i'llhaveto get use to it or find some young blood. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim Yes, that "standin on the bank when the buddygot it" is the essential urban myth, and no bullshit!Cutsright to the meat! Good one. petermckean@netspace.net.au "My rods are made from fibregrass." ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:47 AMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when a buddygotitwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man thatroddesentigraded in a big glowing ball of dust. helivedbut was a bit more weather conscience afterthat.timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has somevalidity.Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of southpark,CO afew times around3 PM with graphite and you will know what Imean.The rod willtingle in your hand. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Sep 3 23:16:43 2000 e844GgG07136 21:16:40 PDT Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM petermckean ,"rod 'akers" well then, if this is the case i missed it and what isaid was retalitory(sp - banjo pickin' hillbilly'scan't spell) and unnecessary. i will add this one tagto the story, all joking aside, we had a harrowing 11/2 hr ride to the nearest first aide station with acritically injured buddy. i've known 2 others thathave gotten the big jolt from the almighty and thatextra 2 minutes or this one last riser isn't worth therisk. i got caught in a bad storm this summer anddecided not to cross the river to my truck, justhunkered down and waited it out. i gained a realappreciation for gortex from the experience. peterlrt me hear from you. timothy --- Tony Young wrote:Steady on bit. When I read your post I thought itwas just a part of the UMthread as well.I can tell you absolutely Peter was not casting anyaspersions towards youbut looked at your post in the context of the lightheated threadspecifically relating to creating an Urban Myth.I recently saw a David Letterman show where a womanguest who was a ForestRanger was telling the audience about how to behavearound bears.When she mentioned her husband was mauled and killed watched all she got was laughter from the audience.I'm still not sure if she was really a Ranger or aparticularly straightcomedian but she seemed to me to be the genuinearticle but she saidsomething that was very easily taken in a differentcontext to how sheintended because of the circumstances.There are a lot of people with different backgroundson this list andmissiles sent in the heat of the moment are prob nota very good idea. Just for the record, Peter makes very nice bamboorods. He just has aTasmanian's sense of humor which is slightly to theleft of the averageAussie's idea of funny. I guess that's what happenswhen you live whereDueling Banjos is never out of the top 10 in therecord charts. :-) Tony At 07:12 AM 9/3/00 -0700, timothy troester wrote:oh, i get it! you're just calling me a liar. whydon't you get a life. try really going fishing ormaybe you could really build a bamboo fly rod insteadofbeing a lurker. you don't know me or anythingaboutme. what in the hell did i ever do to you anyway. you appear to be pretty gutless and lowdown fromwherei sit. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim These things just get better and better - "withtherod handle in his handand the smoke comin' off his head". If you cannot create a decent urban myth here, itwon't be for lack oftrying. "Seems I'm fishin' more by myself these days"... You see, I'm trying to handle more the filibusterend of the thing. peterpetermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so bythelong silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" "rod 'akers" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:49 PMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM peter, when we ran down the hill he wassittingonthe bank with the rod handle in his hand andsmokecoming off his head. he passed away thispassedjulyand i fished out of his flybox in aug thru thesamestretch of river where he got tapped. i hadoneofthe best runs on a stretch of the river i everhad.i've fished with old men all my life and itseemsi'mfishing by myself more these days. i guessi'llhaveto get use to it or find some young blood. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim Yes, that "standin on the bank when the buddygot it" is the essential urban myth, and nobullshit!Cutsright to the meat! Good one. petermckean@netspace.net.au "My rods are made from fibregrass." ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:47 AMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when abuddygotitwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man thatroddesentigraded in a big glowing ball ofdust. helivedbut was a bit more weather conscience afterthat.timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has somevalidity.Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of southpark,CO afew times around3 PM with graphite and you will know whatImean.The rod willtingle in your hand. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can accessfromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" === message truncated === ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from iank@ts.co.nz Mon Sep 4 05:33:22 2000 e84AXKG12032 "petermckean" ,"rod 'akers" Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM Guys, I guess I have an advantage over some on this list when it comes to nationalstyles of humour. I lived in Australia for a number of years so I do , sort of, understand theAussie sense of humour ( if you can call it that , they keep making crudejokes about football matches) . I am married to aYorkshire lass so I also sort of understand the North England sense ofhumour , which helps when Terry makes one of his periodic visits to thelist. I have even lived on the West coast of the USA and in Toronto for a periodand watch Seinfield so that helps with some of the North American humour. I guess we just have to remember that north Americans laughed at differentparts of the Crocodile Dundee movie then Australians ( the English and NewZealanders did not laugh at all ,they thought it was a travel documentary). I guess we should consider that before we respond to comments that offendus. Ian----- Original Message ----- ; "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM from mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com Mon Sep 4 06:21:24 2000 e84BLNG12572 Subject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site e84BLNG12573 Hi Ernie, I have used Avery's transparent labels, but you still have to scan the rod.The labels are not completely clear, so the end up looking cloudy on the rodunless you print the rod color on them as a background and put your textover top.I save the scan as a bmp on my desktop in a file that holds scans for all theblanks that I do. By saving as a bmp, it will print better than if you save as ajpg or gif since they are "lossy" files. I should introduce myself. I own a flyshop in Solon, Maine on the KennebecRiver. I have been building custom rods off and on for about 20 years or so.I have been interested in getting into bamboo and thus joined the list a shorttime ago. I am finding it enjoyable and informative. John ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site Jim,Did you try Avery's transparent labels?Ernie From: "Jim Flinchbaugh" Hi Bob, and allthe computerized label I use is the result of about a years worth of experimenting. After several trying lots of different decal papers, waterslide decals, labels and misc. things, what I finally got to work was to use a self adhesive label paper made by Avery. from petermckean@netspace.net.au Mon Sep 4 06:29:19 2000 e84BTHG12771 Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM Organization: vet Tim What I said was meant in good spirit, Tim; I was just taking Tony'ssuggestion out to the ridiculous extreme, you know, full of bullshit, whichis probably how these things start. I thought that what you were getting at was that I was just spouting verbaldiarrhoea, and that I should shorten it and get to the point. Which I haveto admit was about right. I thought your story was short and to the point,and was showing me how it ought to be done; and I thought to myself thatthat is just exactly how beliefs get started. I do not know you, as you say, but thought from reading your various noteson this list that we probably had a lot in common. I don't lurk. Icorrespond with the list about as often as you do, I fish every week of mylife at least once, and while I am a beginner, I have now built 10 fly rods from bamboo, and I fish with them all. I am not a professional. I am a 57year old veterinarian living in Tasmania, Australia, and I am lucky enoughto live half an hour's drive from some (by local standards, at any rate)excellent trout streams, which I wallow in when I can get away from mypractice. I have a life, and that's it. If you are ever here, I'd be proud to take you to some of them so you couldsample the fishing. It's what I do with my spare time. I don't insultpeople, not intentionally, and never intended to insult you. As I did,apparently, I sincerely apologise, and hope we can go on as members of thislist with no hard feelings. Regards, Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message ----- ; "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM well then, if this is the case i missed it and what isaid was retalitory(sp - banjo pickin' hillbilly'scan't spell) and unnecessary. i will add this one tagto the story, all joking aside, we had a harrowing 11/2 hr ride to the nearest first aide station with acritically injured buddy. i've known 2 others thathave gotten the big jolt from the almighty and thatextra 2 minutes or this one last riser isn't worth therisk. i got caught in a bad storm this summer anddecided not to cross the river to my truck, justhunkered down and waited it out. i gained a realappreciation for gortex from the experience. peterlrt me hear from you. timothy --- Tony Young wrote:Steady on bit. When I read your post I thought itwas just a part of the UMthread as well.I can tell you absolutely Peter was not casting anyaspersions towards youbut looked at your post in the context of the lightheated threadspecifically relating to creating an Urban Myth.I recently saw a David Letterman show where a womanguest who was a ForestRanger was telling the audience about how to behavearound bears.When she mentioned her husband was mauled and killed watched all she got was laughter from the audience.I'm still not sure if she was really a Ranger or aparticularly straightcomedian but she seemed to me to be the genuinearticle but she saidsomething that was very easily taken in a differentcontext to how sheintended because of the circumstances.There are a lot of people with different backgroundson this list andmissiles sent in the heat of the moment are prob nota very good idea. Just for the record, Peter makes very nice bamboorods. He just has aTasmanian's sense of humor which is slightly to theleft of the averageAussie's idea of funny. I guess that's what happenswhen you live whereDueling Banjos is never out of the top 10 in therecord charts. :-) Tony At 07:12 AM 9/3/00 -0700, timothy troester wrote:oh, i get it! you're just calling me a liar. whydon't you get a life. try really going fishing ormaybe you could really build a bamboo fly rod insteadofbeing a lurker. you don't know me or anythingaboutme. what in the hell did i ever do to you anyway.you appear to be pretty gutless and lowdown fromwherei sit. timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim These things just get better and better - "withtherod handle in his handand the smoke comin' off his head". If you cannot create a decent urban myth here, itwon't be for lack oftrying. "Seems I'm fishin' more by myself these days"... You see, I'm trying to handle more the filibusterend of the thing. peterpetermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so bythelong silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" "rod 'akers" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:49 PMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM peter, when we ran down the hill he wassittingonthe bank with the rod handle in his hand andsmokecoming off his head. he passed away thispassedjulyand i fished out of his flybox in aug thru thesamestretch of river where he got tapped. i hadoneofthe best runs on a stretch of the river i everhad.i've fished with old men all my life and itseemsi'mfishing by myself more these days. i guessi'llhaveto get use to it or find some young blood.timothy --- petermckean wrote:Tim Yes, that "standin on the bank when the buddygot it" is the essential urban myth, and nobullshit!Cutsright to the meat! Good one. petermckean@netspace.net.au "My rods are made from fibregrass." ----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:47 AMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM yeh! i was standing on the bank when abuddygotitwhile fishing in a thunder storm. man thatroddesentigraded in a big glowing ball ofdust.helivedbut was a bit more weather conscience afterthat.timothy --- Jerry Madigan wrote:The lightening thing definitely has somevalidity.Just fish a fewtimes in the wide open expanses of southpark,CO afew times around3 PM with graphite and you will know whatImean.The rod willtingle in your hand. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can accessfromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" === message truncated === ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from anglport@con2.com Mon Sep 4 07:11:28 2000 e84CBRG13431 Subject: re:6611 Yeah, John, I noticed that, but when you scroll down the data sheet, itrefers to itself as the "JC"1611 again. Just a weird anomaly, I guess. Iwasn't going to pursue it further until I noticed that while noodlingaround in the info. Art At 08:33 PM 09/03/2000 -0600, channer wrote:Guys;I went back to hexrod to check on something Tim told me and discoveredthat when you enter jc6611 and retrieve the taper it drops the jc partwhen it asks you if it is correct. If you enter jc6611, you will get myversion, when you enter 6611, you get the taper I entered from TheLovely Reed. Sorry about any confusion, but they are both there. Now Iguess I will have to build the origina;l, just to see which one isbetter. Give me a year or two.John from HomeyDKlown@worldnet.att.net Mon Sep 4 07:23:09 2000 e84CN8G13701 +0000 Subject: Re: website update I hate to beat a dead horse (or a live one for that matter), but I Agreewith Tony. I liked Bob's site. Commercial or not, I thought it wasreally well done. Dennis Tony Young wrote: I've come into this a bit late so I should prob just shutup but Bob'sone of the most helpful blokes on the list I know of. He's gone to alot of trouble to help me out at various times and considering he's apro maker I'm sure I don't know where he finds the time to do this.I saw his update and can't see the problem. Sure you see it's acommercial page but it's not as if once you were there you gothijacked into looking at things you didn't want to see.The pics in question were good natured and seemed to me nothing morethan a bloke's holiday pics.The rest of the site was worth a look too.The worst you could expect from seeing the page is you now know alittle more about one of the listers. Tony /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will convergeIn the hub of a wheel;But the use of the cartWill depend on the partOf the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Mon Sep 4 09:11:19 2000 e84EBIG15630 JAA21537 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:11:17 Subject: re:6611 I changed the file for rod "jc6611" so that it says "jc6611" whenit comes up. The rod "6611" is the the original and says "6611" when it comes up.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, channer wrote: Guys;I went back to hexrod to check on something Tim told me and discoveredthat when you enter jc6611 and retrieve the taper it drops the jc partwhen it asks you if it is correct. If you enter jc6611, you will get myversion, when you enter 6611, you get the taper I entered from TheLovely Reed. Sorry about any confusion, but they are both there. Now Iguess I will have to build the origina;l, just to see which one isbetter. Give me a year or two.John from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Mon Sep 4 10:49:25 2000 e84FnOG17365 Subject: hexrod Can anyone tell me why I cant get The Hexrod program from the rodmakers page to work? I get an error message "not a valid MS_- DOS file" any ideas? from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Mon Sep 4 13:02:03 2000 e84I22G19838 11:08:45 PDT Subject: Re: PHONE SCAM i apologise to you too. i had just got up and i hadnot gotten any humor yet. it's hard to see thetwinkle in someones eyes on the computer and you areright we would probably get along well. i would loveto fish in tazmania some day. i would like to haveyou along if for no other reason than you all havestrange critters lurking about and i wouldn't knowwhich ones bite. timothy --- Ian Kearney wrote:Guys, I guess I have an advantage over some on this listwhen it comes to nationalstyles of humour. I lived in Australia for a number of years so I do ,sort of, understand theAussie sense of humour ( if you can call it that ,they keep making crudejokes about football matches) . I am married to aYorkshire lass so I also sort of understand theNorth England sense ofhumour , which helps when Terry makes one of hisperiodic visits to thelist. I have even lived on the West coast of the USA andin Toronto for a periodand watch Seinfield so that helps with some of theNorth American humour. I guess we just have to remember that northAmericans laughed at differentparts of the Crocodile Dundee movie then Australians( the English and NewZealanders did not laugh at all ,they thought itwas a travel documentary). I guess we should consider that before we respond tocomments that offendus. Ian----- Original Message -----From: "timothy troester" "petermckean"; "rod 'akers" Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 4:16 PMSubject: Re: PHONE SCAM ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Mon Sep 4 14:50:16 2000 e84JoCG21954 Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:49:07 +0000 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site John,How dare you mention you have a fly shop !!Clearly this is commercialism going just too far...tee,hee,heeeeeOnly joking .....and thanks for the advice on the labels.......Paul John Kenealy wrote: Hi Ernie, I have used Avery's transparent labels, but you still have to scan the rod.The labels are not completely clear, so the end up looking cloudy on the rodunless you print the rod color on them as a background and put your textover top.I save the scan as a bmp on my desktop in a file that holds scans for allthe blanks that I do. By saving as a bmp, it will print better than if you saveas a jpg or gif since they are "lossy" files. I should introduce myself. I own a flyshop in Solon, Maine on the KennebecRiver. I have been building custom rods off and on for about 20 years or so.I have been interested in getting into bamboo and thus joined the list a shorttime ago. I am finding it enjoyable and informative. John ----- Original Message -----From: Ernie Harrison Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site Jim,Did you try Avery's transparent labels?Ernie From: "Jim Flinchbaugh" Hi Bob, and allthe computerized label I use is the result of about a years worth ofexperimenting. After several trying lots of different decal papers,waterslide decals, labels and misc. things, what I finally got towork was to use a self adhesive label paper made by Avery. from martinj@aa.net Mon Sep 4 15:29:00 2000 e84KSxG22839 Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:28:56 -0700 Subject: RE: hexrod sounds like it got corrupted somewhere along the line. I would delete it anddownload it again. Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- Subject: hexrod Can anyone tell me why I cant get The Hexrod program from therodmakers page to work? I get an error message "not a valid MS_- DOS file" any ideas? from jeremy@goflyfishing.com Mon Sep 4 17:43:40 2000 e84MhdG26307 Subject: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? Oh Lord! Will I get booted off the list just for having a flyshopeven if I never mention it's name or location? (Nevada City Anglers,Nevada City, CA). I better shut-up and go back to Lurking Mode. :) Jeremy -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site John,How dare you mention you have a fly shop !!Clearly this is commercialism going just too far...tee,hee,heeeeeOnly joking .....and thanks for the advice on the labels.......Paul John Kenealy wrote: Hi Ernie, I have used Avery's transparent labels, but you still have to scan therod.The labels are not completely clear, so the end up looking cloudy on therod unless you print the rod color on them as a background and put your textover top.I save the scan as a bmp on my desktop in a file that holds scans for allthe blanks that I do. By saving as a bmp, it will print better than if yousave as a jpg or gif since they are "lossy" files. I should introduce myself. I own a flyshop in Solon, Maine on the KennebecRiver. I have been building custom rods off and on for about 20 years orso. I have been interested in getting into bamboo and thus joined the list ashort time ago. I am finding it enjoyable and informative. John ----- Original Message -----From: Ernie Harrison Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site Jim,Did you try Avery's transparent labels?Ernie From: "Jim Flinchbaugh" Hi Bob, and allthe computerized label I use is the result of about a years worth ofexperimenting. After several trying lots of different decal papers,waterslide decals, labels and misc. things, what I finally got towork was to use a self adhesive label paper made by Avery. from freaner@home.com Mon Sep 4 18:06:36 2000 e84N6aG27019 ;Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:06:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? At 3:45 PM -0700 , 9/4/00, Jeremy Gray wrote about Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted?Oh Lord! Will I get booted off the list just for having a flyshopeven if I never mention it's name or location? (Nevada City Anglers,Nevada City, CA). I better shut-up and go back to Lurking Mode. It's not the fly shop...it's your proximity to the Scarymental folks. Claude from mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com Mon Sep 4 18:16:13 2000 e84NGCG27318 Subject: Re: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? e84NGCG27319 Wow!! This could be trouble if too many of us capitalists infiltrate the list!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? Oh Lord! Will I get booted off the list just for having a flyshopeven if I never mention it's name or location? (Nevada City Anglers,Nevada City, CA). I better shut-up and go back to Lurking Mode. :) Jeremy -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 12:50 PM Cc: Ernie Harrison; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site John,How dare you mention you have a fly shop !!Clearly this is commercialism going just too far...tee,hee,heeeeeOnly joking .....and thanks for the advice on the labels.......Paul John Kenealy wrote: Hi Ernie, I have used Avery's transparent labels, but you still have to scan therod.The labels are not completely clear, so the end up looking cloudy on therod unless you print the rod color on them as a background and put yourtextover top.I save the scan as a bmp on my desktop in a file that holds scans for allthe blanks that I do. By saving as a bmp, it will print better than if yousave as a jpg or gif since they are "lossy" files. I should introduce myself. I own a flyshop in Solon, Maine on the KennebecRiver. I have been building custom rods off and on for about 20 years orso. I have been interested in getting into bamboo and thus joined the list ashort time ago. I am finding it enjoyable and informative. John ----- Original Message -----From: Ernie Harrison Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site Jim,Did you try Avery's transparent labels?Ernie From: "Jim Flinchbaugh" Hi Bob, and allthe computerized label I use is the result of about a years worth ofexperimenting. After several trying lots of different decal papers,waterslide decals, labels and misc. things, what I finally got towork was to use a self adhesive label paper made by Avery. from dnorl@uswest.net Mon Sep 4 19:00:43 2000 e8500gG28483 (63.228.5.253) Subject: Re: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? Jeremy,I'd like to know where your fly shop is. Sometimes I think the list gets alittle carried away with their comments. For example; I enjoyed seeing BobNunley's web page. In addition to the web page he has helped me withbuilding tips any number of times as have a great many other folks who postto the list. I personally do not agree with the gentleman who took him totask but I certainly think that he is entitled to his views. I would in alllikelihood not want to go fishing with him whereas I think I could enjoygoing fishing with Bob. I go to church myself but I don't need anyone totell me how good I am at it. Live and let live I say. If you let that otherperson spoil your day with a sour word you give him more power over youthanI'd want him to have over me. The crazy part of the whole thing is; if youcriticize him for criticizing you, you are doing the same thing he is doing.Makes it tough to figure out who the bad guy is.Dave-----Original Message----- mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? Oh Lord! Will I get booted off the list just for having a flyshopeven if I never mention it's name or location? (Nevada City Anglers,Nevada City, CA). I better shut-up and go back to Lurking Mode. :) Jeremy -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 12:50 PM Cc: Ernie Harrison; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site John,How dare you mention you have a fly shop !!Clearly this is commercialism going just too far...tee,hee,heeeeeOnly joking .....and thanks for the advice on the labels.......Paul John Kenealy wrote: Hi Ernie, I have used Avery's transparent labels, but you still have to scan therod.The labels are not completely clear, so the end up looking cloudy on therod unless you print the rod color on them as a background and put yourtextover top.I save the scan as a bmp on my desktop in a file that holds scans for allthe blanks that I do. By saving as a bmp, it will print better than if yousave as a jpg or gif since they are "lossy" files. I should introduce myself. I own a flyshop in Solon, Maine on theKennebecRiver. I have been building custom rods off and on for about 20 years orso. I have been interested in getting into bamboo and thus joined the listashort time ago. I am finding it enjoyable and informative. John ----- Original Message -----From: Ernie Harrison Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site Jim,Did you try Avery's transparent labels?Ernie From: "Jim Flinchbaugh" Hi Bob, and allthe computerized label I use is the result of about a years worth ofexperimenting. After several trying lots of different decal papers,waterslide decals, labels and misc. things, what I finally got towork was to use a self adhesive label paper made by Avery. from HalManas@aol.com Mon Sep 4 19:47:49 2000 e850lnG29746 Subject: Re: Hexrod Hi All,I had the same problem with downloading Hexrod from the Rodmakers website. I was never able to get a copy that would work so now I just use Frank Stetzer's great on line program any time that I need Hexrod. I would love to have it on my computer if someone could help. Thanks, Hal from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Sep 4 20:39:21 2000 e851dIG01055 Subject: Re: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? ,"Ernie Harrison" , Life's too short. Always drink good wine (or whatever), fish at any chanceand laugh a lot. Tony At 07:12 PM 9/4/00 -0500, David Norling wrote:Jeremy,I'd like to know where your fly shop is. Sometimes I think the list gets alittle carried away with their comments. For example; I enjoyed seeing BobNunley's web page. In addition to the web page he has helped me withbuilding tips any number of times as have a great many other folks whopostto the list. I personally do not agree with the gentleman who took him totask but I certainly think that he is entitled to his views. I would in alllikelihood not want to go fishing with him whereas I think I could enjoygoing fishing with Bob. I go to church myself but I don't need anyone totell me how good I am at it. Live and let live I say. If you let that otherperson spoil your day with a sour word you give him more power over youthanI'd want him to have over me. The crazy part of the whole thing is; if youcriticize him for criticizing you, you are doing the same thing he is doing.Makes it tough to figure out who the bad guy is.Dave-----Original Message-----From: Jeremy Gray mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com Cc: Ernie Harrison ;rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 5:44 PMSubject: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? Oh Lord! Will I get booted off the list just for having a flyshopeven if I never mention it's name or location? (Nevada City Anglers,Nevada City, CA). I better shut-up and go back to Lurking Mode. :) Jeremy -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 12:50 PM Cc: Ernie Harrison; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site John,How dare you mention you have a fly shop !!Clearly this is commercialism going just too far...tee,hee,heeeeeOnly joking .....and thanks for the advice on the labels.......Paul John Kenealy wrote: Hi Ernie, I have used Avery's transparent labels, but you still have to scan therod.The labels are not completely clear, so the end up looking cloudy on therod unless you print the rod color on them as a background and put yourtextover top.I save the scan as a bmp on my desktop in a file that holds scans for allthe blanks that I do. By saving as a bmp, it will print better than if yousave as a jpg or gif since they are "lossy" files. I should introduce myself. I own a flyshop in Solon, Maine on theKennebecRiver. I have been building custom rods off and on for about 20 years orso. I have been interested in getting into bamboo and thus joined the listashort time ago. I am finding it enjoyable and informative. John ----- Original Message -----From: Ernie Harrison Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site Jim,Did you try Avery's transparent labels?Ernie From: "Jim Flinchbaugh" Hi Bob, and allthe computerized label I use is the result of about a years worth ofexperimenting. After several trying lots of different decal papers,waterslide decals, labels and misc. things, what I finally got towork was to use a self adhesive label paper made by Avery. /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from lblove@omniglobal.net Mon Sep 4 21:17:52 2000 e852HqG01891 Subject: Re: Hexrod I got my down load of the vb version from Wayne'swebsite. It doesn't seem that it is on the aol site(http://members.aol.com/waynecatt this has some commericalcontent, so be for warned...) of his. I just tried to find it there with noluck.Try contacting Wayne directly at ,I am sure that he can point you in the correct direction. hope this helpsBradley ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Hexrod Hi All,I had the same problem with downloading Hexrod from the Rodmakerswebsite. I was never able to get a copy that would work so now I just useFrank Stetzer's great on line program any time that I need Hexrod. Iwouldlove to have it on my computer if someone could help. Thanks, Hal from flytyr@southshore.com Mon Sep 4 21:55:13 2000 e852tCG02781 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:01:20 -0500 Subject: Conclave There will be bamboo rod making and lots offlytying at this Conclave. www.southerncouncilfff.orgTony FlyTyr@southshore.com from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Mon Sep 4 22:51:04 2000 e853p3G03989 Subject: Re: hexrod Thanks for all the replies, I did try downlaoding it several times from the rodmaker page always the same thing, then went to Wayne's site for it , and his site was down this morning as well, I'll try again next time I get a chance Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from jourdoktorn@chello.se Tue Sep 5 00:24:49 2000 e855OiG06054 (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license0be0198aab3c5c3dfea01242ca021ddf) Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:24:24 +0200 Subject: Re: Hexrod This is a multi-part message in MIME format.-------------- F7F39638FB992091B869991D Yes you are all right, there is a problem with that file. I got an error message myself when trying to execute it. Why do you not try the laterversion, HexRod98? I have enclosed it with this mail.Jan Bradley Love wrote: I got my down load of the vb version from Wayne'swebsite. It doesn't seem that it is on the aol site(http://members.aol.com/waynecatt this has some commericalcontent, so be for warned...) of his. I just tried to find it there with noluck.Try contacting Wayne directly at ,I am sure that he can point you in the correct direction. hope this helpsBradley ----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:47 PMSubject: Re: Hexrod Hi All,I had the same problem with downloading Hexrod from the Rodmakerswebsite. I was never able to get a copy that would work so now I just useFrank Stetzer's great on line program any time that I need Hexrod. Iwouldlove to have it on my computer if someone could help. Thanks, Hal from lblan@provide.net Tue Sep 5 04:07:52 2000 e8597pG09304 Subject: RE: Hexrod The enclosed file is the executable file, which Wayne packages by itself toallow short download times for updated versions. To use the application, youwill need the "hexset" (setup) files. There is a copy of Wayne's tapersthere to, the file with the .tpr extensions. Larry Blan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Hexrod Yes you are all right, there is a problem with that file. I got an errormessage myself when trying to execute it. Why do you not try the laterversion, HexRod98? I have enclosed it with this mail.Jan Bradley Love wrote: I got my down load of the vb version from Wayne'swebsite. It doesn't seem that it is on the aol site(http://members.aol.com/waynecatt this has some commericalcontent, so be for warned...) of his. I just tried to find it there withnoluck.Try contacting Wayne directly at ,I am sure that he can point you in the correct direction. hope this helpsBradley ----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:47 PMSubject: Re: Hexrod Hi All,I had the same problem with downloading Hexrod from the Rodmakerswebsite. I was never able to get a copy that would work so now I justuseFrank Stetzer's great on line program any time that I need Hexrod. Iwouldlove to have it on my computer if someone could help. Thanks, Hal from cattanac@wmis.net Tue Sep 5 08:34:14 2000 e85DYDG14104 Subject: Re: hexrod As an FYI thing - I rarely use AOL any more -however this is my old websitethere -the new site is www.wcattanachrodco.com and the bas download siteis - http://www.wcattanachrodco.com/HexRod/hexrod.htm - there you willse aselection of HexRod files - the exe is for those that have alreadydownloaded an earlier version of the windows pogram - the hexset is the fullversion that is needed for the first time windows user - the TPR file is aselection of the taper that is used with the program - and the C version isthe dos version that will save to and extract file so that repeated entry isreduced - I have not done alot with the program lately but as winter andless to do's I hope to be able to dust it off and do more polishing with it.As a personal FYI - I started a new job as of 8 weeks ago - it is directorof operations for my local school district and because there have been 4people here before me in 5 years - there is alot to get on top of so life isa bit more hectic than usual - but I will be back in the groove in a bithough Wayne----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: hexrod Thanks for all the replies, I did try downlaoding it several times from the rodmaker page always the same thing, then went toWayne's site for it , and his site was down this morning as well, I'lltry again next time I get a chance Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Tue Sep 5 08:44:23 2000 e85DiMG14528 Subject: hexrod Well folks, I was able to get the newest version of hexrod off Waynes site , but there appears to be nothing present for the taper files, the link doesn't go anywhere. Maybe in a few day's I'll manage to round it all up. If any one has the taper files and doesnt mind ,maybe you could send them to me off list? Thanks again for the advice Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from gjm80301@yahoo.com Tue Sep 5 08:51:11 2000 e85DpAG14877 2000 06:51:07 PDT Subject: Re: hexrod OK, what am I missing here? I have no problem getting Hexrod to workbut I don't see the taper file. When I hit the "HexTpr" button onWayne's site, nothing appears. Thanks. --- Wayne Cattanach wrote:As an FYI thing - I rarely use AOL any more - however this is my oldwebsitethere -the new site is www.wcattanachrodco.com and the bas downloadsiteis - http://www.wcattanachrodco.com/HexRod/hexrod.htm - there youwill se aselection of HexRod files - the exe is for those that have alreadydownloaded an earlier version of the windows pogram - the hexset isthe fullversion that is needed for the first time windows user - the TPRfile is aselection of the taper that is used with the program - and the Cversion isthe dos version that will save to and extract file so that repeatedentry isreduced - I have not done alot with the program lately but aswinter andless to do's I hope to be able to dust it off and do more polishingwith it.As a personal FYI - I started a new job as of 8 weeks ago - it isdirectorof operations for my local school district and because there havebeen 4people here before me in 5 years - there is alot to get on top ofso life isa bit more hectic than usual - but I will be back in the groovein a bithough Wayne----- Original Message -----From: Jim Flinchbaugh Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 11:40 PMSubject: Re: hexrod Thanks for all the replies, I did try downlaoding it severaltimes from the rodmaker page always the same thing, then went toWayne's site for it , and his site was down this morning as well,I'lltry again next time I get a chance Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from fraysier@mounet.com Tue Sep 5 09:01:48 2000 e85E1lG15397 (206.151.76.199) Subject: Spinning rod tapers Hello Rodmakers,I would like to find out if anyone has an Orvis spinning rod taper that theycould share with me? I'm not sure what Orvis made, but I would likesomething in the 5 to 6 foot length. Thanks,Larry from DNHayashida@aol.com Tue Sep 5 10:48:45 2000 e85FmiG20270 Sep 2000 11:48:22 -0400 Subject: Level silk line, Orvis braided tapered leader and beeswax I fished all weekend with the level silk line I reconditioned and put the Orvisbraided leader on. After the discussion with Reed about waxing the leader tomake it float better and reduce the spray and then trying beeswax, I decidedto wax the whole line. I have a wax pot from my jewelry making which iselectrically heated and the heat is regulated by a rheostat. I melted thebeeswax, dropped the coiled line in it, waited 10 minutes, and pulled the line from the wax, through a rag and into a paper shopping bag (usingReed’s paper shopping bag line reconditioning trick) I then“polished” the line through a rag back and forth a few times.It took on a nice slick smooth finish that shot through the guides nicely.Fishing it was a joy – at least for a dry fly. The line and leader floated - well, like a cork, although that term has been overused. I used no floatanton it at all, all weekend long. I found I didn’t need to reverse the lineor hang it !!out to dry at lunchtime. When I went to dry the line in the evening I found theline wasn’t wet at all. One thing I can envision happening though. If a reel with a beeswax treatedline sat in a car in the sun and heated up, then cooled down, the line maystick to itself. Maybe not if there is just the right amount of wax, but at thispoint I don’t know if I have achieved that balance or not. I alsodon’t know how long the wax treatment will last.Darryl from dnorl@uswest.net Tue Sep 5 11:40:22 2000 e85GeLG22545 (63.228.7.82) ,"Ernie Harrison" , Subject: Re: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? Tony,One last thought, fish just a little while longer.Dave-----Original Message----- paul.blakley@ntlworld.com ;mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com ;ErnieHarrison ; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? Life's too short. Always drink good wine (or whatever), fish at any chanceand laugh a lot. Tony At 07:12 PM 9/4/00 -0500, David Norling wrote:Jeremy,I'd like to know where your fly shop is. Sometimes I think the list getsalittle carried away with their comments. For example; I enjoyed seeing BobNunley's web page. In addition to the web page he has helped me withbuilding tips any number of times as have a great many other folks whopostto the list. I personally do not agree with the gentleman who took him totask but I certainly think that he is entitled to his views. I would inalllikelihood not want to go fishing with him whereas I think I could enjoygoing fishing with Bob. I go to church myself but I don't need anyone totell me how good I am at it. Live and let live I say. If you let thatotherperson spoil your day with a sour word you give him more power over youthanI'd want him to have over me. The crazy part of the whole thing is; if youcriticize him for criticizing you, you are doing the same thing he isdoing.Makes it tough to figure out who the bad guy is.Dave-----Original Message-----From: Jeremy Gray mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com Cc: Ernie Harrison ;rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 5:44 PMSubject: Are Flyshop Owners Prohibitted? Oh Lord! Will I get booted off the list just for having a flyshopeven if I never mention it's name or location? (Nevada City Anglers,Nevada City, CA). I better shut-up and go back to Lurking Mode. :) Jeremy -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 12:50 PM Cc: Ernie Harrison; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site John,How dare you mention you have a fly shop !!Clearly this is commercialism going just too far...tee,hee,heeeeeOnly joking .....and thanks for the advice on the labels.......Paul John Kenealy wrote: Hi Ernie, I have used Avery's transparent labels, but you still have to scan therod.The labels are not completely clear, so the end up looking cloudy ontherod unless you print the rod color on them as a background and put yourtextover top.I save the scan as a bmp on my desktop in a file that holds scans forallthe blanks that I do. By saving as a bmp, it will print better than ifyousave as a jpg or gif since they are "lossy" files. I should introduce myself. I own a flyshop in Solon, Maine on theKennebecRiver. I have been building custom rods off and on for about 20 years orso. I have been interested in getting into bamboo and thus joined thelistashort time ago. I am finding it enjoyable and informative. John ----- Original Message -----From: Ernie Harrison Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Apology, now Jim's site Jim,Did you try Avery's transparent labels?Ernie From: "Jim Flinchbaugh" Hi Bob, and allthe computerized label I use is the result of about a years worthofexperimenting. After several trying lots of different decal papers,waterslide decals, labels and misc. things, what I finally got towork was to use a self adhesive label paper made by Avery. /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will convergeIn the hub of a wheel;But the use of the cartWill depend on the partOf the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from iank@ts.co.nz Tue Sep 5 13:31:45 2000 e85IVeG26703 2000 06:31:32 +1200 Subject: visiting Guys, I am making a whistle stop business tour of the USA over the next week orsoand will be visiting the following places , usually only for a day or two:Tacoma, Wenatchee, Ephrata,Ashland , Alameda, and Scottsdale. My associates have carefully arranged the itinerary to ensure that I am notanywhere close to a rodmakers gathering at the right time. However if there are any rodmakers in these locations who may wish to haveaquiet beer in an evening and discuss how to make charcoal or otherchallenges I would appreciate that. regards Ian Kearney----- Original Message ----- Subject: 6611 Guys;In what may be a vain attempt to change the subject, I taped the guidesand lawn cast what turned out to be my own version of Dickerson's 6611the other day and it is SWEET. When I set the taper for the butt sectioni tried to get as much swell in it right in frontof the grip as i couldand then when I trimmed the blank i set the tape measure from the frontof the grip and trimmed it to keep the swell out in front of the cork,not very scientific, but I figured that the worst that could happen wasthat it would turn out to be firewood. As i made it from some left-overbadly spotted strips from a previos rod i didn't mind either way. What iwound up with is perhaps the nicest casting rod I've made yet. i haveyet to fish it(one more coat of varnish to go), but man it can cast inthe grass. Throws a loop so tight it hurts and can fire it out there along way. My casting skills are mediocre at best, so I will have to getsomeone who can really test it to try it out, but i could do things withit that I thought were way beyond me. Anyone who is interested, I savedit on Franks Hexrod as jc6611 and the original taper from The LovelyReed as 6611.John from darrell@rockclimbing.org Tue Sep 5 17:19:11 2000 e85MJAG05892 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: Bishop California Rod Makers Gathering - October 13-15, 2000 The Great Western Rod Makers Gathering Great News! Just got off the phone after speaking to Walton Powell and he has agreed tobe our featured guest speaker at our gathering! He will be replacing RayGould as our speaker. I'm sorry Ray could not be with us this year. There is one minor glitch with getting Walt. He has requested that wereimburse him for his travelling expenses so in order to do so, we'll needto charge the participants a small registration fee to cover Walt'sexpenses. I recommend that we each pay $20.00 per person and that willcoverthe speakers fee and the remainder can go to reimburse our host's expensesand logistical expenses which last year, he went out of pocket andpersonally I feel that was unfair to Chuck. Any excess will be used forraffle and door prizes! So, in order to book Walt Powell, I will need to hear from the participants,if this is agreeable and if so, I ask that you commit to the gathering bysending a check in the amount of $20.00 to me at: Darrell LeeP.O. Box 4111Hollywood, CA 90078 Or you can pay by credit card using your Paypal account or if you are new toPaypal, you will get a $5.00 signing bonus. Here's the paypal link... https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=darrell%40rockclimbing.org It's vital we all commit right away so that I can book Walton Powell. Thiswill be a very rare opportunity to meet and talk cane with one of the greatrodmakers in history! He's getting up in years so I'm really excited to havea chance to meet him. I've updated the gathering page and added the appropriate links for peopleto register. Because of our new guest speaker, I will now have to place alimit as to the number of participants and so it will be first come, firstserved. 35 participants will be the maximum we can handle. So, I anticipatethis gathering will be a sell out. Participants interested in attending, please register with me and email methe following info:NameAddressTelephoneRodmaker ( ) Rod restorer ( ) Collector ( ) Other ( ) The Great Western GW Bishop, CA Rodmakers Gathering page iswww.vfish.net/gwbishop.htm Hotel and camping info, agenda will be emailed upon registering. Anyquestions, email me. Ciao, Darrell Leewww.vfish.net from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Tue Sep 5 21:57:12 2000 e862vBG12368 Subject: Re: hexrod Subject: Re: hexrod OK, what am I missing here? I have no problem getting Hexrod to workbut I don't see the taper file. When I hit the "HexTpr" button onWayne's site, nothing appears. Thanks. Jerry, That is the same thing I found, Got the EXE files ok but the taper portion seems to be empty from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Tue Sep 5 21:58:20 2000 e862wJG12388 Subject: Re: hexrod Wayne, BTW great second editon of your book Got it last week. Thanks! Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from canazon@mindspring.com Wed Sep 6 08:53:43 2000 e86DrfG23250 Subject: culm size This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C017E7.EC899E20 i am going to order my first bale of culms and was wondering if the =group had any thoughts on whether a novice rodmaker should order the = ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C017E7.EC899E20 i am going to order my first bale of culms and was = if the group had any thoughts on whether a novice rodmaker should order = ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C017E7.EC899E20-- from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Wed Sep 6 10:52:16 2000 e86FqFG28188 with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 08:48:27 -0700 Subject: Re: culm size e86FqGG28189 Mike, Go with the 2"-2 *", unless the price difference is too much. However, thatbeing said, the more important questions are what do the culms look like? Excessive cosmetic blemishes will limit the number of strips you can split outas much or more then the diameter of the culm. Most of the cosmeticblemishes will be in the butt and have no effect on the structure of the rod,but you might not like the marks. It's one of those subjective things. With a bale of 10? 2"-2 *" culms you'll probaly get 20+ 2 pc. rods. Chris "mike canazon" 09/06/00 09:50AM >>>i am going to order my first bale of culms and was wondering if the group hadany thoughts on whether a novice rodmaker should order the smaller (1 3/4- 2") culms, or the larger (2 - 2 1/2. mike canazon from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Wed Sep 6 11:00:14 2000 e86G0DG28595 Subject: Re: hexrod rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu I'll second that, great work Wayne!! Joe from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Wed Sep 6 11:03:07 2000 e86G36G28868 Subject: Re: culm size ChrisWere Are you getting your culms from, the bales I got had so many blems and growers marks I'll be lucky to get ten rods from them !Joe from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 12:06:47 2000 e86H6kG01630 10:12:40 PDT Subject: heddon#20 does any one have the taper for a heddon #20 7'6"?i need to replace a tip and the varnish on the othertip is pretty heavy. i thought i might compare mymeasurements to someone elses. all tips aside.....ihad a fellow track me down yesterday that is a retirednational forest ranger. we spent an hour and a halfover coffee and he shared a humorousanticdote(hillbillies still can't spell) i thought imight pass on. john was working in arizona and therewere no ground fires allowed due to the season. hewas cruising a camping area and saw a plume of smokeabove the trees and went to investigate. he came thruthe trees and there were three families there, momsdads and a bunch of small children just then beginningto roast their wienies over the fire. as heapproached a little girl piped up,"there he is mommy.you were right. you said that son-of-bitch smokeybear would show up about the time we got our wienerson!" timothy ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from cathcreek@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 12:17:24 2000 e86HHNG02054 Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:17:16 -0700 Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:17:16 GMT Subject: Re: culm size FILETIME=[4E2279C0:01C01826] Mike, Chris is dead on as usual. The larger size would be better, but quality is important. I won't go ccomercial here, but I have a good source. Contact me off list if interested. Robert Clarkecathcreek@hotmail.com From: "CHRISTOPHER MCDOWELL" Subject: Re: culm sizeDate: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 08:48:26 -0700 Mike, Go with the 2"-2 *", unless the price difference is too much. However, that being said, the more important questions are what do the culms look like? Excessive cosmetic blemishes will limit the number of strips you can split out as much or more then the diameter of the culm. Most of the cosmetic blemishes will be in the butt and have no effect on the structure of the rod, but you might not like the marks. It's one of those subjective things. With a bale of 10? 2"-2 *" culms you'll probaly get 20+ 2 pc. rods. Chris "mike canazon" 09/06/00 09:50AM >>>i am going to order my first bale of culms and was wondering if the group had any thoughts on whether a novice rodmaker should order the smaller (1 3/4 - 2") culms, or the larger (2 - 2 1/2.mike canazon _________________________________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 13:07:13 2000 e86I78G03538 11:13:24 PDT Subject: heddon#20 ,marthael troester ,"russell janet" troester ,thomas yocum ,bob appleman ,ron barch , bob chastain,janet fauke , ron kanwisher ,dick mcdaniel ,"jay and kristin" thomason ,"scott linda isaac" thomason all, i thought others would get a kick out of this. he tracked me down to do some pretty specialized rodwork for him. he was one of that breed of charactersslowly being weeded out of the human strain. .....i had a fellow track me down yesterday that is aretired national forest ranger. we spent an hour anda half over coffee and he shared a humorousanticdote(hillbillies still can't spell) i thought imight pass on. john was working in arizona and therewere no ground fires allowed due to the season. hewas cruising a camping area and saw a plume of smokeabove the trees and went to investigate. he came thruthe trees and there were three families there, momsdads and a bunch of small children just then beginningto roast their wienies over the fire. as heapproached a little girl piped up,"there he is mommy.you were right. you said that son-of-bitch smokeybear would show up about the time we got our wienerson!" timothy ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from djk762@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 20:27:01 2000 e871R0G16936 Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:26:53 -0700 Thu, 07 Sep 2000 01:26:53 GMT Subject: Re:Bishop RM Gathering FILETIME=[B43B9EA0:01C0186A] Rodmakers- Pres Powell gave a great presentation at our local flyfishing club in September.Powell presented slides of vintage photographs of the old Powell Rod Shop, and great stories about west coast flyfishing during the "Golden Age of Bamboo".Pres was very generous detailing the techniques used by his dad Walton and granddad E.C. His Chico flyshop is going to have a museum dedicated to the family's fly fishing history, which essentially parrellels the history of west coast fly fishing.While the East Coast makers have been well documented the West has not. Anyone interested in the West Coast rodmaking history should try to make it to Bishop to hear and meet one of the Powell rodmakers. - David Kashuba._________________________________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Wed Sep 6 21:23:50 2000 e872NlG18392 Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:22:53 +0800 (5.5.2651.58) Subject: Wine cork handle Hi everybody,I'm putting a handle on a Midge this weekend and was goingto try using some wine corks to make a sliding band reel seat. Any ideas orsuggestions would be much appreciated. Mike from kbuch@mail.stlnet.com Wed Sep 6 22:07:31 2000 e8737UG19434 Subject: Re: Wine cork handle DFF177EE4F522E93FF8E9DDB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format.-------------- DFF177EE4F522E93FF8E9DDB Mike, I have played around with making individual cork rings by glueing 4corks together.Matching individual corks to get a uniform finish is difficult. Thecork is damaged by the corkscrew when it is pulled from the bottle. I am attaching a picture of what I have come up with. I think it wouldwork for grips, but it would not be a great quality finish. that no corkscrew would be used, if one had a good source of Champagnebottle corks then they would be in the business of making really nicegrips. Best Regards, Kevin BuchananSt. Louis, MO> from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 22:38:11 2000 e873cAG20278 20:46:42 PDT Subject: Re: Wine cork handle don't drink all that wine in one sitting. just asuggestion. :-) timothy --- "Roberts, Michael"wrote:Hi everybody,I'm putting a handle on a Midge this weekend andwas goingto try using some wine corks to make a sliding bandreel seat. Any ideas orsuggestions would be much appreciated. Mike ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 22:43:23 2000 e873hMG20509 21:00:27 PDT Subject: Re: Wine cork handle there is another type of tool that is used to removecorks from a bottle that is not a screw. you can getthem in wine stores and some liquor stores. there aretwo spring metal pieces that slip down on oppositesides of the cork between the glass and the corkitself. timothy cork is damaged by the corkscrew when it is pulled from the bottle. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from saweiss@flash.net Thu Sep 7 00:39:43 2000 e875dgG23068 Subject: Re: Wine cork handle Mike,I have used wine corks for fillers under reel seat spacers, but not for thereel seat or spacer itself. Rodmakers corks are specie cork, which meansthat the pits run longitudinally, or parallel to the handle. Wine cork hasthe pits running perpendicular to the handle, which would tend to admitmoisture toward the blank, but prevents moisture from leaving a bottle.Steve Hi everybody,I'm putting a handle on a Midge this weekend and was goingto try using some wine corks to make a sliding band reel seat. Any ideasorsuggestions would be much appreciated. Mike from freaner@home.com Thu Sep 7 06:56:49 2000 e87BumG26889 Subject: Re: Wine cork handle At 9:57 PM -0500 on 9/6/00, Kevin M. Buchanan wrote about Re: Wine corkhandle that no corkscrew would be used, if one had a good source of Champagnebottle corks then they would be in the business of making really nicegrips. Kevin: Check your yellow pages for wine-making supplies or beer-brewing supplies. My local brewing supply dealer carries all the stuff necessary for making wine also, including brand-new wine bottle corks. Claude from darrell@rockclimbing.org Thu Sep 7 07:26:19 2000 e87CQIG27444 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Wine cork handle Champagne corks are usually made up of composite (ground up) cork and thelast 1/4" or 1/2" is made up of 1 or 2 1/4" thick solid rings of Champagneor 5 star grade cork. So, if your stoppers are like the ones I see, thenyou'll need to 1-2 dozen stoppers to build a decent grip... I'm available if you need help drinking the champagne... I still have several hundred rings of each type leftover from the last twogroup orders. All grades available... 5 Star, Flor+, Extra Select, 5 Star1/4" and Burl. Contact me off list if anyone is interested. Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Wine cork handle Mike, I have played around with making individual cork rings by glueing 4corks together.Matching individual corks to get a uniform finish is difficult. Thecork is damaged by the corkscrew when it is pulled from the bottle. I am attaching a picture of what I have come up with. I think it wouldwork for grips, but it would not be a great quality finish. that no corkscrew would be used, if one had a good source of Champagnebottle corks then they would be in the business of making really nicegrips. Best Regards, Kevin BuchananSt. Louis, MO from nobler@satx.rr.com Thu Sep 7 07:38:13 2000 e87CcDG27838 Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:39:40 -0500 "'RODMAKERS'" Subject: Re: Wine cork handle They should be plenty big, as that's a tiny grip ! GMA from bluefin_1999@yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 08:54:44 2000 e87DshG01289 2000 06:54:36 PDT Subject: RE: Wine cork handle-commercial post ? Why is Bob's post about his website singled out forbeing commercial when we have ones like this ?? Don't get it Stuart. (or anyone else for that matter) --- "Darrell A. Lee" wrote:Champagne corks are usually made up of composite(ground up) cork and thelast 1/4" or 1/2" is made up of 1 or 2 1/4" thicksolid rings of Champagneor 5 star grade cork. So, if your stoppers are likethe ones I see, thenyou'll need to 1-2 dozen stoppers to build a decentgrip... I'm available if you need help drinking thechampagne... I still have several hundred rings of each typeleftover from the last twogroup orders. All grades available... 5 Star, Flor+,Extra Select, 5 Star1/4" and Burl. Contact me off list if anyone isinterested. Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Of Kevin M. BuchananSent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 7:57 PM Cc: 'RODMAKERS'Subject: Re: Wine cork handle Mike, I have played around with making individual corkrings by glueing 4corks together.Matching individual corks to get a uniform finish isdifficult. Thecork is damaged by the corkscrew when it is pulled from the bottle. I am attaching a picture of what I have come upwith. I think it wouldwork for grips, but it would not be a great qualityfinish. grainwise, and the factthat no corkscrew would be used, if one had a goodsource of Champagnebottle corks then they would be in the business ofmaking really nicegrips. Best Regards, Kevin BuchananSt. Louis, MO __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from rfairfie@cisco.com Thu Sep 7 09:59:01 2000 e87Ex0G03680 "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: Wine cork handle It's called an 'ah so'. Can't be sure about the spelling. RogerAt 09:00 PM 9/6/00 -0700, timothy troester wrote:there is another type of tool that is used to removecorks from a bottle that is not a screw. you can getthem in wine stores and some liquor stores. there aretwo spring metal pieces that slip down on oppositesides of the cork between the glass and the corkitself. timothy cork is damaged by the corkscrew when it is pulled from the bottle. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Sep 7 10:01:34 2000 e87F1XG03862 Organization: First Baptist Church Subject: Northern Vermont Friends,Are any of you in north central Vermont or that area? I have afriend from another email list who would like some basic tips on gettingstarted in rodmaking. If you wouldn't mind answering a few questions,please let me know off-list. Thanks,Harry --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com Thu Sep 7 10:02:20 2000 e87F2JG03979 Subject: White Bear rod? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C018BB.C52BB1E0 Hi All, I had a fellow come into my shop today asking about a rod that he picked upcheap at an antique shop and wanted to know more about. He didn't have itwith him but said that it was bamboo and had a "white bear" on it near thehandle and what was left of the lettering looked like it might spell that.Does anyone know anything about these rods? I'm sorry that this is all Ihave to go on!!!!! I'd appreciate any feedback on this. Thanks,John ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C018BB.C52BB1E0 Hi All, I had a fellow come into my shop today asking about = he picked up cheap at an antique shop and wanted to know more = didn't have it with him but said that it was bamboo and had a "white = near the handle and what was left of the lettering looked like it might = that. = that this is all I have to go on!!!!! I'd appreciate any feedback on this. Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C018BB.C52BB1E0-- from darrell@rockclimbing.org Thu Sep 7 10:26:06 2000 e87FQ5G05136 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: White Bear rod? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C018A4.FE8B0240 It's probably a Japanese post WWII rod and worth $25-50. Darrellwww.vfish.net-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:07 AM Subject: White Bear rod? Hi All, I had a fellow come into my shop today asking about a rod that he pickedup cheap at an antique shop and wanted to know more about. He didn't haveit with him but said that it was bamboo and had a "white bear" on it nearthe handle and what was left of the lettering looked like it might spellthat.Does anyone know anything about these rods? I'm sorry that this is all Ihave to go on!!!!! I'd appreciate any feedback on this. Thanks,John ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C018A4.FE8B0240 probably a Japanese post WWII rod and worth $25-50. Darrellwww.vfish.net KenealySent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:07 = RodmakersSubject: White Bearrod?Hi All, I had a fellow come into my shop today asking = "white bear" on it near the handle and what was left of the lettering = like it might spell that.Does anyone know anything about these that this is all I have to go on!!!!! I'd appreciate any feedback on this. Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C018A4.FE8B0240-- from Michael.A.Beach@wcom.com Thu Sep 7 12:27:39 2000 e87HRdG09619 #42257) Thu,7 Sep 2000 17:27:11 +0000 (GMT) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:27:11 +0000 (GMT) V5.2-33 #42258) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu,07 Sep 2000 17:22:54 +0000 (GMT) forrodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:22:53 +0000 (GMT) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:22:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Rod Identification This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_SwojDDRrCd1PFXrqGYYybA) A co-worker in the DC area has two bamboo rods that belonged to a relative.He expects they are circa 1900, but not posive, and wondered if anyonecouldprovide any information about them. He's thinking of having them restored. First is a 9' "Shakespear Triumph", with two tips, in cloth bag. It has ahardwood handle (perhaps maple?) and is in average condition. One of thetips has a bend or bow in it and he's wondering if that can bestreightened?? Second is also 9', "Best of Luck", varnish looks good but thread isdisintegrating and needs to be redone. In cloth bag. Any information would be appreciated. I've been reading Rodmaker's postings Thanks,Michael --Boundary_(ID_SwojDDRrCd1PFXrqGYYybA) co-worker in the DC area has two bamboo rods that belonged to a = He expects they are circa 1900, but not posive, and wondered if anyone = restored. streightened?? is also 9', "Best of Luck", varnish looks good but thread is = deal. Thanks,Michael --Boundary_(ID_SwojDDRrCd1PFXrqGYYybA)-- from darrell@rockclimbing.org Thu Sep 7 14:38:40 2000 e87JcdG14833 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Rod Identification This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C018C7.D60CDE60 Both are low end production rod... Shakespeares best quality rod sold for$50 in 1936 and the Triumph sold for $10. I'm pretty sure the other is also a low end rod as well. Try posting your rod info in the Name That Rod forum atwww.vfish.net/namethatrod.htm which is probably more appropriate forcollector questions than the RM list. Also Clark Davis's rod forums are agood place for collector questions. www.clarksrods.com Darrellwww.vfish.net-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:27 AM Subject: Rod Identification A co-worker in the DC area has two bamboo rods that belonged to arelative. He expects they are circa 1900, but not posive, and wondered ifanyone could provide any information about them. He's thinking of havingthem restored. First is a 9' "Shakespear Triumph", with two tips, in cloth bag. It has ahardwood handle (perhaps maple?) and is in average condition. One of thetips has a bend or bow in it and he's wondering if that can bestreightened?? Second is also 9', "Best of Luck", varnish looks good but thread isdisintegrating and needs to be redone. In cloth bag. Any information would be appreciated. I've been reading Rodmaker'spostings for a couple years now and have learned a great deal. Thanks,Michael ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C018C7.D60CDE60 are low end production rod... Shakespeares best quality rod sold for $50 = and the Triumph sold for $10. pretty sure the other is also a low end rod as well. posting your rod info in the Name That Rod forum at www.vfish.net/namethatrod.h= Darrellwww.vfish.net BeachSent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:27 = 'Rodmakers'Subject: Rod having them restored. First is a 9' "Shakespear Triumph", with = that can be streightened?? Second is also 9', "Best of Luck", varnish= bag. deal. Thanks,Michael ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C018C7.D60CDE60-- from fiveside@net-gate.com Thu Sep 7 16:08:54 2000 e87L8rG18282 RAA00327 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:07:54 - Subject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks and sliding skeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most of my rods are experimental andnot always successful, but not because of the cork. It works just fine. AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill from caneman@clnk.com Thu Sep 7 16:27:08 2000 e87LR8G19038 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Bill,Do you think you might send along just one of those bottle corks... ofcourse, I would prefer to have one that is still under foil and stuck in theneck of a nice bottle of Robert Mondavi Cabernet! *S* Bob-----Original Message----- Subject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks and sliding skeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most of my rods are experimentalandnot always successful, but not because of the cork. It works just fine. AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Thu Sep 7 16:34:02 2000 e87LY1G19411 Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:33:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Bobs got expensive tastes !i'll take the Pomagne..............Paul Bob Nunley wrote: Bill,Do you think you might send along just one of those bottle corks... ofcourse, I would prefer to have one that is still under foil and stuck in theneck of a nice bottle of Robert Mondavi Cabernet! *S* Bob-----Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:03 PMSubject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks and sliding skeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most of my rods are experimentalandnot always successful, but not because of the cork. It works just fine.AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill from caneman@clnk.com Thu Sep 7 16:52:52 2000 e87LqpG20413 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Expensive, but crude... I have been known to drink it straight from thebottle with Pizza! LOL -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Bobs got expensive tastes !i'll take the Pomagne..............Paul Bob Nunley wrote: Bill,Do you think you might send along just one of those bottle corks...ofcourse, I would prefer to have one that is still under foil and stuck intheneck of a nice bottle of Robert Mondavi Cabernet! *S* Bob-----Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:03 PMSubject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks and sliding skeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most of my rods are experimentalandnot always successful, but not because of the cork. It works just fine.AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill from HomeyDKlown@worldnet.att.net Thu Sep 7 17:09:08 2000 e87M97G21189 ;Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:09:00 +0000 Subject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Bob, Is that the $30.00 one? If so, you've got good taste indeed! Dennis Bob Nunley wrote: Bill,Do you think you might send along just one of those bottle corks... ofcourse, I would prefer to have one that is still under foil and stuck in theneck of a nice bottle of Robert Mondavi Cabernet! *S* Bob-----Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:03 PMSubject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks and sliding skeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most of my rods are experimentalandnot always successful, but not because of the cork. It works just fine.AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Thu Sep 7 17:54:44 2000 e87MsgG22738 Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 08 Sep 2000 06:53:53 +0800 (5.5.2651.58) Subject: Bob, Wine cork handle-commercial post ? Now listen up y'all,........Bob is what we Aussies call "a topbloke". I am quite prepared (and I've told Bob this off-list)to filletanyone who has the audacity to even consider speaking, writing or thinkingabout him in anything less than the most complimentary of terms. We're allbloody lucky to be basking in the warmth of his rodmaking benevolence, andif some stuffed shirt wants to have a shot at him, I'll build a rod ofhitherto unseen proportions and hook the bastard from here. Shit, this wine cork handle is really firing me up!!With you all the way Bob...great siteMike Why is Bob's post about his website singled out forbeing commercial when we have ones like this ?? Don't get it Stuart. (or anyone else for that matter) from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Thu Sep 7 18:04:10 2000 e87N48G23169 Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 08 Sep 2000 07:03:02 +0800 (5.5.2651.58) Rod Makers List Serve Subject: RE: Wine Bottle Corks I've got a bottle of 18th century French Cognac that I inherited from a longline of now-dead relatives. Maybe I should get some Coke and invite Tonyover for a BBQ?Mike -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Expensive, but crude... I have been known to drink it straight from thebottle with Pizza! LOL -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Bobs got expensive tastes !i'll take the Pomagne..............Paul Bob Nunley wrote: Bill,Do you think you might send along just one of those bottle corks...ofcourse, I would prefer to have one that is still under foil and stuck intheneck of a nice bottle of Robert Mondavi Cabernet! *S* Bob-----Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:03 PMSubject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks and sliding skeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most of my rods are experimentalandnot always successful, but not because of the cork. It works just fine.AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill from bamboo@pa.net Thu Sep 7 18:56:42 2000 e87NufG24854 Subject: Phillipson Preffered This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C01905.B876D3E0 I was curious if any of you gentlemen know the method used for =impregnation on Phillipson rods. I have a friend thats asked me to make =a replacement tip for him and I'm trying to get it matched as close as = ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C01905.B876D3E0 I was curious if any of you gentlemen = asked me to make a replacement tip for him and I'm trying to get it = close as possible. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C01905.B876D3E0-- from bamboo@pa.net Thu Sep 7 19:13:41 2000 e880DeG25300 Subject: Phillipson Preffered This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01908.17F467E0 This one says that it is impregnated on the butt section. I'd be happy =to just match colorwise though. Bob how did you ammonia tone? Was =resorcinol used on Phillipsons the glue lines are really pronounced. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01908.17F467E0 This one says that it is impregnated on= really pronounced. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01908.17F467E0-- from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Sep 7 20:31:37 2000 e881VVG27693 Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:31:09 +0800 Subject: RE: Wine Bottle Corks Rod Makers List Serve Not coke Mike, lemonade!:-) Tony At 06:59 AM 9/8/00 +0800, Roberts, Michael wrote:I've got a bottle of 18th century French Cognac that I inherited from a longline of now-dead relatives. Maybe I should get some Coke and invite Tonyover for a BBQ?Mike -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, 8 September 2000 5:51 Subject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Expensive, but crude... I have been known to drink it straight from thebottle with Pizza! LOL -----Original Message-----From: paul.blakley Cc: fiveside@net-gate.com ; Rod Makers ListServe Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:28 PMSubject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Bobs got expensive tastes !i'll take the Pomagne..............Paul Bob Nunley wrote: Bill,Do you think you might send along just one of those bottle corks...ofcourse, I would prefer to have one that is still under foil and stuck intheneck of a nice bottle of Robert Mondavi Cabernet! *S* Bob-----Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:03 PMSubject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks and sliding skeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most of my rods areexperimentalandnot always successful, but not because of the cork. It works just fine.AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 20:40:25 2000 e881eOG27997 18:47:41 PDT Subject: RE: Wine Bottle Corks lemonade and cognac? really?! --- Tony Young wrote:Not coke Mike, lemonade!:-) Tony At 06:59 AM 9/8/00 +0800, Roberts, Michael wrote:I've got a bottle of 18th century French Cognacthat I inherited from a longline of now-dead relatives. Maybe I should getsome Coke and invite Tonyover for a BBQ?Mike -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, 8 September 2000 5:51 ServeSubject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Expensive, but crude... I have been known to drinkit straight from thebottle with Pizza! LOL -----Original Message-----From: paul.blakley Cc: fiveside@net-gate.com ;Rod Makers List Serve Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:28 PMSubject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Bobs got expensive tastes !i'll take the Pomagne..............Paul Bob Nunley wrote: Bill,Do you think you might send along just oneof those bottle corks...ofcourse, I would prefer to have one that is stillunder foil and stuck intheneck of a nice bottle of Robert MondaviCabernet! *S* Bob-----Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:03 PMSubject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks and slidingskeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most ofmy rods are experimentalandnot always successful, but not because of thecork. It works just fine.AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Thu Sep 7 20:48:55 2000 e881mqG28326 Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:47:10 +0800 (5.5.2651.58) avyoung@iinet.net.au,"rod 'akers" Subject: RE: Wine Bottle Corks Then you stir it up with a big fat Cuban cigar. -----Original Message----- Slemonade and cognac? really?! --- Tony Young wrote:Not coke Mike, lemonade!:-) Tony At 06:59 AM 9/8/00 +0800, Roberts, Michael wrote:I've got a bottle of 18th century French Cognacthat I inherited from a longline of now-dead relatives. Maybe I should getsome Coke and invite Tonyover for a BBQ?Mike -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, 8 September 2000 5:51 ServeSubject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Expensive, but crude... I have been known to drinkit straight from thebottle with Pizza! LOL -----Original Message-----From: paul.blakley Cc: fiveside@net-gate.com ;Rod Makers List Serve Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:28 PMSubject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Bobs got expensive tastes !i'll take the Pomagne..............Paul Bob Nunley wrote: Bill,Do you think you might send along just oneof those bottle corks...ofcourse, I would prefer to have one that is stillunder foil and stuck intheneck of a nice bottle of Robert MondaviCabernet! *S* Bob-----Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:03 PMSubject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks and slidingskeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most ofmy rods are experimentalandnot always successful, but not because of thecork. It works just fine.AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part > Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 21:19:55 2000 e882JsG29275 19:37:40 PDT Subject: RE: Wine Bottle Corks "rod 'akers" cuban swizzle sticks are illegal over here. timothy --- "Roberts, Michael"wrote:Then you stir it up with a big fat Cuban cigar. -----Original Message-----From: timothy troester Slemonade and cognac? really?! --- Tony Young wrote:Not coke Mike, lemonade!:-) Tony At 06:59 AM 9/8/00 +0800, Roberts, Michael wrote:I've got a bottle of 18th century French Cognacthat I inherited from a longline of now-dead relatives. Maybe I should getsome Coke and invite Tonyover for a BBQ?Mike -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, 8 September 2000 5:51 ServeSubject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Expensive, but crude... I have been known todrinkit straight from thebottle with Pizza! LOL -----Original Message-----From: paul.blakley Cc: fiveside@net-gate.com;Rod Makers List Serve Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:28 PMSubject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Bobs got expensive tastes !i'll take the Pomagne..............Paul Bob Nunley wrote: Bill,Do you think you might send along just oneof those bottle corks...ofcourse, I would prefer to have one that isstillunder foil and stuck intheneck of a nice bottle of Robert MondaviCabernet! *S* Bob-----Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:03 PMSubject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks andslidingskeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most ofmy rods are experimentalandnot always successful, but not because of thecork. It works just fine.AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from nobler@satx.rr.com Thu Sep 7 21:47:58 2000 e882lvG00061 Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:49:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Phillipson Preffered There was a big discussion about this here last year, and I read somematerial about their impregnation somewhere ? GMA from yves@hwy97.net Fri Sep 8 00:29:21 2000 e885TKG03440 Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:29:07 -0700 Subject: Literature List, I have a question that was, literally, keeping me awake. "When thetrout are gone, smash the state," Tom Mcguane. Someone on the list usesthis, periodically, as a signature. Who is (was) Tom Mcguane, and whowrote about him, i.e., what is the reference? I live in what I like torefer to as an entitlement state where every citizen who can afford alicence, is "entitled to his five trout a day", and where, in the future,hopefully after I cash it in, we may run out of trout, particularly if thelocal rednecks persist in planting bass in trout waters. Could anyone helpme with the quotation? I would gratefully respond with one tirade perweek. TIA, Dave from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Sep 8 00:49:28 2000 e885nRG03987 22:58:45 PDT Subject: Re: Literature here try this --- David La Touche wrote:List, I have a question that was, literally, keepingme awake. "When thetrout are gone, smash the state," Tom Mcguane. Someone on the list usesthis, periodically, as a signature. Who is (was)Tom Mcguane, and whowrote about him, i.e., what is the reference? Ilive in what I like torefer to as an entitlement state where every citizenwho can afford alicence, is "entitled to his five trout a day", andwhere, in the future,hopefully after I cash it in, we may run out oftrout, particularly if thelocal rednecks persist in planting bass in troutwaters. Could anyone helpme with the quotation? I would gratefully respondwith one tirade perweek. TIA, Dave ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Sep 8 00:56:06 2000 e885u5G04172 23:03:32 PDT Subject: Re: Literature tommcguane david, here is some more. timothy ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com Fri Sep 8 04:48:26 2000 e889mPG07062 Subject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks e889mQG07063 Really, some people seem tou get away with using them for all sorts ofthings............ ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Wine Bottle Corks cuban swizzle sticks are illegal over here. timothy --- "Roberts, Michael"wrote:Then you stir it up with a big fat Cuban cigar. -----Original Message-----From: timothy troester Slemonade and cognac? really?! --- Tony Young wrote:Not coke Mike, lemonade!:-) Tony At 06:59 AM 9/8/00 +0800, Roberts, Michael wrote:I've got a bottle of 18th century French Cognacthat I inherited from a longline of now-dead relatives. Maybe I should getsome Coke and invite Tonyover for a BBQ?Mike -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, 8 September 2000 5:51 ServeSubject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Expensive, but crude... I have been known todrinkit straight from thebottle with Pizza! LOL -----Original Message-----From: paul.blakley Cc: fiveside@net-gate.com;Rod Makers List Serve Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:28 PMSubject: Re: Wine Bottle Corks Bobs got expensive tastes !i'll take the Pomagne..............Paul Bob Nunley wrote: Bill,Do you think you might send along just oneof those bottle corks...ofcourse, I would prefer to have one that isstillunder foil and stuck intheneck of a nice bottle of Robert MondaviCabernet! *S* Bob-----Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:03 PMSubject: Wine Bottle Corks To the List,I've been using wine bottle corks andslidingskeleton rings for reelseats on experimental rods for years. Most ofmy rods are experimentalandnot always successful, but not because of thecork. It works just fine.AndI have a large supply of used bottle corks. Bill /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Thirty spokes will converge In the hub of a wheel; But the use of the cart Will depend on the part Of the hub that is void. So advantage is had from whatever is there;But usefulness arises from whatever is not. Tao Te Ching /**************************************************************************/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access fromanywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from earsdws@duke.edu Fri Sep 8 09:30:56 2000 e88EUpG11928 KAA07079; Organization: Hearing Research Laboratories Subject: thanks and a photo. This is a multi-part message in MIME format.-------------- 1F27543CF2ECC84708131479 Dear Gang,I want to be the next in line to thank the list for all the helpfulsuggestions and encouragement I received while working on my first rod.I completed the PHY midge in July and ceremoniously presented it to my9-yr-old son while at our summer home in northern Michigan. The look onhis face when I handed it over (and the look on the face of the seasonedveterans on the river when they see a boy learning on cane) made itworth all of the 100's of hours of reading and construction time. Therod is, of course, not perfect, but the experience and his responsewere.The "newcane" picture was taken on Chandler's first outing with therod on the Bear River near Petosky, Michigan and the "firstbrown" jpegis of him "landing" his first Boyne River brown, near Boyne City,Michigan.dws.ps. BTW, after testing the midge myself, I decided to sell all myother cane rods (Hardy's, Pezon's, Orvis' etc) and focus on the smallerrods - this thing is fabulous, but he won't give it back!>Fromcaneman@clnk.com Fri Sep 8 09:40:09 2000 e88Ee8G12294 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:34:06 -0500 Subject: Fw: thanks and a photo. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A6_01C01978.87A855E0 David... Nothing quite like it is there? Once upon a time, I saw a =print of a little boy watching a flyfisher on a stream, and the caption = "When I die, it won't matter what kind of car I had, or how big my =house was, or how much money I had in the bank, but if I have touched =the life of one child..." Not an exact quote, as I'm sure my memory of the caption has eroded over =the years, but understandable still... Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: thanks and a photo. Dear Gang,I want to be the next in line to thank the list for all the helpfulsuggestions and encouragement I received while working on my first rod.I completed the PHY midge in July and ceremoniously presented it to my9-yr-old son while at our summer home in northern Michigan. The look =onhis face when I handed it over (and the look on the face of the =seasonedveterans on the river when they see a boy learning on cane) made itworth all of the 100's of hours of reading and construction time. Therod is, of course, not perfect, but the experience and his responsewere.The "newcane" picture was taken on Chandler's first outing with therod on the Bear River near Petosky, Michigan and the "firstbrown" jpegis of him "landing" his first Boyne River brown, near Boyne City,Michigan.dws.ps. BTW, after testing the midge myself, I decided to sell all myother cane rods (Hardy's, Pezon's, Orvis' etc) and focus on the smallerrods - this thing is fabulous, but he won't give it back! ------=_NextPart_000_01A6_01C01978.87A855E0 print of a little boy watching a flyfisher on a stream, and the caption = something like this... = car I had, or how big my house was, or how much money I had in the bank, = I have touched the life of one child..." Not an exact quote, as I'm sure my memory of the caption has eroded= the years, but understandable still... Congrats... Bob -----Original Message-----From: = <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= the next in line to thank the list for all the = I handed it over (and the look on the face of the = "newcane" = ------=_NextPart_000_01A6_01C01978.87A855E0-- from DNHayashida@aol.com Fri Sep 8 10:29:42 2000Received: from imo- e88FTfG14052 Sep 2000 11:29:29 -0400 Subject: Swelled butts I've just made another 5 foot one piece, and because I had a little troublefitting the small diameter blank in normal handle and reel seat bores in theothers I made, I swelled the handle and reel seat area. I have made swelledbutt rods before, but I saw no real advantage other than appearance. Withthis latest rod the swelled butt gives a tremendous gain in the "feel" of thecast. Perhaps a gain in leverage, or a more stable handle to work the rest ofthe rod. Whatever the reason, it seems to work better. Has anyone elsenoticed this in a swelled butt rod?Darryl from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Sep 8 10:38:53 2000 e88FcqG14479 Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:38:37 -0700 Organization: First Baptist Church Subject: Re: Swelled butts Darryl,Sure, I've noticed the same thing. Thinking about why suggests that theaction length of the rod is shortened, and the stress curve is compressed. In other words, it makes the action a little "faster". I made a couple of 7'6"Sir D's, one with and one without the swelled butt. The rod without the swellseems "better" in this instance. In other situations the rod with the swelledbutt is "better". Harry DNHayashida@aol.com wrote: With this latest rod the swelled butt gives a tremendous gain in the "feel"of the cast. Has anyone else noticed this in a swelled butt rod? --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from cathcreek@hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 10:46:07 2000 e88Fk7G14795 Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:45:59 -0700 Sep 2000 15:45:59 GMT Subject: Re: Swelled butts FILETIME=[E29743C0:01C019AB] Sir D. I have an old Heddon that has a swelled butt that I have noticed the action being farther out on the rod. I really like the power that I sense from that. How that equates on a stress curve, you could answer better. I do notice the difference with the swell. my best, Rob Clarke From: DNHayashida@aol.com Subject: Swelled buttsDate: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:29:29 EDT I've just made another 5 foot one piece, and because I had a little trouble fitting the small diameter blank in normal handle and reel seat bores in the others I made, I swelled the handle and reel seat area. I have made swelled butt rods before, but I saw no real advantage other than appearance. With this latest rod the swelled butt gives a tremendous gain in the "feel" of the cast. Perhaps a gain in leverage, or a more stable handle to work the rest of the rod. Whatever the reason, it seems to work better. Has anyone else noticed this in a swelled butt rod?Darryl _________________________________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. from DNHayashida@aol.com Fri Sep 8 11:25:32 2000 e88GPVG16678 Sep 2000 12:25:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Swelled butts The Sir D is a faster rod, and thicker in the handle section than a lot of otherbamboo rods, I can see where a swell wouldn't do much. My 5 footer is stillfairly thin where the handle is, and a swell would make a big difference - goodor bad. I'm beginning to wonder about how a swell on a parabolic taper would work.Darryl With this latest rod the swelled butt gives a tremendous gain in the "feel"of the cast. Has anyone else noticed this in a swelled butt rod? --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Sep 8 11:37:49 2000 e88GbmG17365 09:37:46 PDT Subject: Re: Swelled butts darryl, if you change a para with a swelled is itstill a para? there has to be a better definition ofa para than "how it feels to me". ray gould quotedgarrison/carmichael as it being a parabolic shapedstress curve with the curve below the average line. bymaking the change you might find the rod we've allbeen looking for but would it be a para? what do youall think? timothy --- DNHayashida@aol.com wrote: The Sir D is a faster rod, and thicker in the handlesection than a lot of other bamboo rods, I can seewhere a swell wouldn't do much. My 5 footer is stillfairly thin where the handle is, and a swell wouldmake a big difference - good or bad. I'm beginning to wonder about how a swell on aparabolic taper would work.Darryl Sure, I've noticed the same thing. Thinkingabout why suggests that the action length of the rodis shortened, and the stress curve is compressed. In other words, it makes the action a little"faster". I made a couple of 7'6" Sir D's, one withand one without the swelled butt. The rod withoutthe swell seems "better" in this instance. In othersituations the rod with the swelled butt is"better". Harry DNHayashida@aol.com wrote: With this latest rod the swelled butt gives atremendous gain in the "feel" of the cast. Has anyone else noticed this in a swelled butt rod? --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from caneman@clnk.com Fri Sep 8 12:32:45 2000 e88HWiG20096 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: Swelled butts This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C01990.9ECD17C0 Timothy,If you "shift" the stress curve steadily so that the "swell" isconsistent with the shape of the original stress curve, but just movedvertically instead of the shape being drastically changed, then it wouldseem logical that you would still get a parabolic action, retaining yourbasic para stress curve, but your lever point in the butt section would moveand the point (in casting) at which this second lever comes into actionwould change. If you increase the diameter, by changing the stress values,yet maintaining the general shape of the curve, then the main difference isthat for that second lever to come into action, you would have to have moreline out than with the original "pure" parabolic stress curve.Actually, however, (boy, hope I don't get slammed too hard forcountering the word of the "book", so let me just say in advance, this is MYopinion only...) a Parabolic rod, doesn't necessarily have to have aparabolic shaped stress curve. I'll agree that the definition of Parabolicshould be more than "it feels Parabolic", but considering the differences instress curve of different makers rods that are considered parabolic, then Idon't know what the definition could be. The curve can be, in my opinion,shifted, shaped and manipulated to improve the action and fishability of therod, yet still let the action of the rod remain very similar to a trueparabolic, such as the PHY para15 (one of the few parabolic rods whosestress curve actually is, using a little imagination, a parbola). "feel" (there's that word again! LOL), and action, loads up with a lot ofline in the air, and you can definitely feel that second lever come intoplay, but the curve is NOT parabolic shaped. It originally was, but overthe past 12 years somewhere, that changed drastically... I don't know ifthis will come through on rodmakers or not, but going to try to put thestress curve below so you can see what I'm talking about... if it doesn'tcome through and anyone wants to see it, just email me offlist and I'll sendit to you...Basically, what I originally did, was to swell the butt gradually over alonger distance than what would normally be considered a swelled butt, byshifting my original stress curve. The problem I ran into was one of toostiff of a butt section, so I started moving part of the curve upwards(increasing stress values in the upper/middle point of the butt, and this(the attached graph) is what I ended up with... a parabolic rod (or you maywant to call it a semiparabolic rod), with a stress curve that isn't at allreminiscent of a parabola... Later,Bob-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Swelled butts darryl, if you change a para with a swelled is itstill a para? there has to be a better definition ofa para than "how it feels to me". ray gould quotedgarrison/carmichael as it being a parabolic shapedstress curve with the curve below the average line. bymaking the change you might find the rod we've allbeen looking for but would it be a para? what do youall think? timothy> from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Sep 8 13:01:29 2000 e88I1SG21054 Subject: Was: Swelled butts; now-like everything else, Parabolics! Boo! Bob,Might one describe a parabolic rod as one with two distinct peaks in thestress curve?That description fits your rod well, I think. Harry from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Fri Sep 8 13:40:18 2000 e88IeHG22735 Subject: Re: Fw: thanks and a photo. DavidThanks for the photo. I have a four year old boy and a two year old girl, both have landed fish that I have hooked for them on a rod that I made, that will be my boys. I am looking forward to the day that I can give him the rod and he knows how to use it a little better than he does now although you would be amazed at how well he does for a four year old. I am lucky enough to have a trout stream in my yard and the luckiest man in the world to have our two beautiful children. Thanks again.Joseph A Perrigo from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Sep 8 13:58:12 2000 e88IwBG23636 12:06:03 PDT Subject: Re: Was: Swelled butts; now-like everything else, Parabolics! Boo! harry, according to garrison the parabola that he wascompairing to wasthe stress curve of a length oflumber of equal depth and width clamped tightly at onend and extending paralell to the ground. timothy --- Harry Boyd wrote:Bob,Might one describe a parabolic rod as one withtwo distinct peaks in thestress curve?That description fits your rod well, I think. Harry ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/ from cmj@post11.tele.dk Fri Sep 8 14:25:33 2000 e88JPWG25018 Subject: Sv: Swelled butts; now-like everything else, Parabolics! Boo! e88JPWG25020 A definition of the parabolic taper: A parabolic butt has an extremely low taper. The tip has two compoundtapers and is exeedingly fast in recovery. In making a cast, the buttflexes clear into the hand and can be seen and felt. On delivery ofthe cast, the lowers half of the cast gets into its power impulse,while the upper half is still flexed. Then as the grip straigthens, aseemenigly second power impulse applies, which straigthens along line and shoots an abundance of line, if desired. The author of the above is one Paul H. Young. To the best of my know-ledge he is/was the ultimate expert on parabolics. Please notice: "The butt flexes clear into the hand" If PHY's definitionof a parabolic taper is recognized, can there be such a thing as a parabolictaper with a swelled butt? To me it sound more like the famous Cattanachtaper 7042 - a stiff rod with a hinge near the handle. My definition of the paraboic taper is: A compound taper at the tip,a stiff midle and a butt which is flexible. Comments invited, please. regards, carsten from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Fri Sep 8 16:36:13 2000 e88LaCG29896 Subject: tester tester from Fernie48@aol.com Fri Sep 8 16:48:38 2000 e88LmbG00411 Subject: bonefish taper Does anyone have a suitable tapr for a 8 wt. rod =/- 9' long.? How heavymay a rod be before it becomes to tiring to cast? from canazon@mindspring.com Fri Sep 8 16:52:18 2000 e88LqHG00657 Subject: catskill rodmakers gathering This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C019BD.193215C0 i saw chris bogart's post that this gathering was open to the =public and i was wondering if anyone knows what time the "aspiring =rodmakers" or members of the public would be allowed to meet, hear, or =observe (LEARN!) the events at the gathering.mike c. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C019BD.193215C0 = wondering if anyone knows what time the "aspiring rodmakers" or members = events at the gathering. c. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C019BD.193215C0-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Sep 8 17:09:16 2000 e88M9FG01348 Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:06:30 -0500 Subject: Re: thanks and a photo. Nice going Dave. Man you sure put a big grip on the Midge ! GMA from petermckean@netspace.net.au Fri Sep 8 17:36:06 2000 e88Ma4G02253 Subject: Re: Literature Organization: vet Hello, David I cannot help you with the source of the "Smash the State" quote; I ampretty familiar with Tom McGuane's essay work, but must confess that Ihavenot read all his novels, so it may come from one of those. However, it may help you, if you're wondering about how it got to bepopularised since it's a bit obscure, to know that John Geirach cited thepiece on an introductory page in "The View from Rat Lake", and attributed itto Tom McGuane. One assumes that Geirach got it right. Probably. Peterpetermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Literature List, I have a question that was, literally, keeping me awake. "When thetrout are gone, smash the state," Tom Mcguane. Someone on the list usesthis, periodically, as a signature. Who is (was) Tom Mcguane, and whowrote about him, i.e., what is the reference? I live in what I like torefer to as an entitlement state where every citizen who can afford alicence, is "entitled to his five trout a day", and where, in the future,hopefully after I cash it in, we may run out of trout, particularly if thelocal rednecks persist in planting bass in trout waters. Could anyonehelpme with the quotation? I would gratefully respond with one tirade perweek. TIA, Dave from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Sep 8 17:40:52 2000 e88MepG02543 Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:38:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Swelled butts; now-like everything else, Parabolics! Boo! Actually PHY didn't call his rods pure parabolics, but modified, orsemi- parabolics. His older catalogs showed stress loading curves for mostmodels. While you can certainly feel them load down into the grip, they arefar from "willow wands", or "wet noodles" ! GMA from cadams46@juno.com Fri Sep 8 18:03:32 2000 e88N3VG03528 19:03:23 EDT Subject: Grinder Sharpener Was looking through my new WoodCraft Supply catalog (no personalaffiliation) and saw they carry a new sharpening unit. It is a DeltaUniversal Wet/Dry Grinder. I was curious if anyone on this list has oneof these. The big topic a few weeks ago was sharpening and I don'trecall anyone mentioning an electric sharpener, is there some reason? Iknow the other sharpener they carry is pretty price prohibitive but thisone is reasonable. Thanks in advance and thanks to everyone whoresponded to my rod i.d. query a while back. Sincerely,C.R. Adams from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Sep 8 18:20:46 2000 e88NKjG04035 Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:18:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Grinder Sharpener As I recall, the real super sharpener was a leather belt affair set up on anelectric motor driven "grinder", or some such. I have a belt sander with afelt belt, that does a super job on my various carving gouges, blades, etc..You just dress the belt with various types of abrasive/polishing compounds.This is after the correct angles have been honed on the irons, I wouldassume. GMA from cmj@post11.tele.dk Fri Sep 8 18:25:17 2000 e88NPGG04212 +0200 Subject: Sv: Swelled butts; now-like everything else, Parabolics! Boo! e88NPGG04215 As a matter of fact PHY used boths terms, semi- and parabolic, to describehis tapers. Quote: "after these few hours the true value of the parabolicaction is readily apparent etc. etc. etc." and a few lines after: "None of ourfly rodsare full parabolic action (the knd of action referred to as english wet flyaction)etc. etc. etc. but are all modified parabolic action which et.c. etc. etc." And I agree - no wet noodling here. Paras do rule. regards, Carsten - addicted paraholic. Actually PHY didn't call his rods pure parabolics, but modified, orsemi- parabolics. His older catalogs showed stress loading curves for mostmodels. While you can certainly feel them load down into the grip, they arefar from "willow wands", or "wet noodles" ! GMA from channer1@rmi.net Fri Sep 8 18:52:09 2000 e88Nq8G05014 Subject: Re: Sv: Swelled butts; now-like everything else, Parabolics! Boo! Carsten;I'll buy that, but please define "compound taper" for me, I still don'tquite understand what that means.John Carsten Jorgensen wrote: A definition of the parabolic taper: A parabolic butt has an extremely low taper. The tip has two compoundtapers and is exeedingly fast in recovery. In making a cast, the buttflexes clear into the hand and can be seen and felt. On delivery ofthe cast, the lowers half of the cast gets into its power impulse,while the upper half is still flexed. Then as the grip straigthens, aseemenigly second power impulse applies, which straigthens along line and shoots an abundance of line, if desired. The author of the above is one Paul H. Young. To the best of my know-ledge he is/was the ultimate expert on parabolics. Please notice: "The butt flexes clear into the hand" If PHY's definitionof a parabolic taper is recognized, can there be such a thing as a parabolictaper with a swelled butt? To me it sound more like the famous Cattanachtaper 7042 - a stiff rod with a hinge near the handle. My definition of the paraboic taper is: A compound taper at the tip,a stiff midle and a butt which is flexible. Comments invited, please. regards, carsten from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Sep 8 18:54:36 2000 e88NsZG05154 Subject: Re: Swelled butts RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Tim, Bob, et al.,I was under the impression that the parabola was not in the stress curves of "parabolic rods" but in the graph of the length vs. thickness of the taper. Hence, any attempt to keep the stress curve as a parabola may ormay not work depending on what you're trying to achieve Just my $.02.Regards,Hank.P.S. Bob, those 2 Payne 102 taper rods I cut down to 7 1/2' turned out great-sold both of 'em. from channer1@rmi.net Fri Sep 8 19:00:02 2000 e89001G05357 Subject: Re: Swelled butts Darryl;I have made several Perfectionists, with and without a swelled butt andwith varying degrees of swell. Personally, I like the ones with theswell so much that I now make all my rods with as much swell as i can.I suppose it is entirely possible that I am not a good enough caster toget the most out of a parabolic and the swell quickens it enough for meto be able to cast it. I just crank the forms open in front of wherethe grip will be and don't pay much attention to what it does to thestress curves, I mostly look at them after the fact, out of curiosity.John DNHayashida@aol.com wrote: I've just made another 5 foot one piece, and because I had a little troublefitting the small diameter blank in normal handle and reel seat bores in theothers I made, I swelled the handle and reel seat area. I have made swelledbutt rods before, but I saw no real advantage other than appearance. Withthis latest rod the swelled butt gives a tremendous gain in the "feel" of thecast. Perhaps a gain in leverage, or a more stable handle to work the rest ofthe rod. Whatever the reason, it seems to work better. Has anyone elsenoticed this in a swelled butt rod?Darryl from zimmer@adams.net Fri Sep 8 19:12:47 2000 e890ClG05697 (qmailr@216.138.0.16) Subject: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C019C9.24D602E0 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C019C9.24D602E0 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C019C9.24D602E0-- from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Sep 8 19:18:33 2000 e890IWG05941 Subject: Re: Sv: Swelled butts; now-like everything else, Parabolics! Boo! Carsten and John,If I might jump in here-as I understand the parabolic rod graph of length vs. diameter the tip might start off, say, at .014" in 5" increments and slowly drop in thousandths of inches/5" intervals throughout the rod length so the whole rod could be called a compound taper. Now, if you don't like the action of the "smooth" taper as seen on the graph just add a little wood here and take a little off there and you have an even more "compound taper". In other words, I consider any taper that isn't a straight- line taper to be compound. Now, if I'm wrong the fat's in the fire. :-)Best regards,Hank. from ajthramer@hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 19:35:32 2000 e890ZWG06496 Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:35:24 -0700 Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:35:24 GMT Subject: Re: bonefish taper FILETIME=[D7EBF160:01C019F5] From: Fernie48@aol.com Subject: bonefish taperDate: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:48:25 EDT Does anyone have a suitable tapr for a 8 wt. rod =/- 9' long.? How heavy maya rod be before it becomes to tiring to cast? I cast a Gillum 8 1/2 ft 8wt at Bellingers last week, amazing ability to shoot line. The shorter Gillums did not impress me but the longer/heavier rod sure did. With 35 ft of line out it shot out to 127ft with out a false cast. The rod was balanced with a Bellinger/Saracione salmon reel(heavy) and the reel I think balanced the rod. Although the overall weight was quite a bit for the plastic crowd, it was very comfortable to use due to the balance in the hand.A.J.Thramer_________________________________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. from bamboorods@siskiyou.net Fri Sep 8 19:59:01 2000 e890x0G07068 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64293U2500L250S0V35) Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:49:22 -0700 Subject: A.J. Thramer This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C019BE.031BAD40 Allen,Please email me at rainefam4@siskiyou.net.Thanks,Chris Raine ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C019BE.031BAD40 Allen,Please email me at rainefam4@siskiyou.net.= Thanks,Chris =Raine ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C019BE.031BAD40-- from ROBERT.KOPE@prodigy.net Fri Sep 8 20:30:19 2000 e891UIG08045 e891UEp172844;Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:30:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Swelled butts Darryl. I seem to recall that the Morgan Handmill can't do swelled butts. Did youbreak out your old planing form for this one? -- Robert-----Original Message----- Subject: Swelled butts I've just made another 5 foot one piece, and because I had a little troublefitting the small diameter blank in normal handle and reel seat bores in theothers I made, I swelled the handle and reel seat area. I have made swelledbutt rods before, but I saw no real advantage other than appearance. Withthis latest rod the swelled butt gives a tremendous gain in the "feel" ofthe cast. Perhaps a gain in leverage, or a more stable handle to work therest of the rod. Whatever the reason, it seems to work better. Has anyoneelse noticed this in a swelled butt rod?Darryl from rcurry@ttlc.net Fri Sep 8 20:31:04 2000 e891V3G08141 Subject: Re: bonefish taper Fernie,You might look at Chris Bogart's 9'6" "Big Dog Stick" athttp://www.canerod.com/rodmakers/tapers/bogart/chris.html. I have oneof theseand, with its hollow butt, it can balance in the hand very nicely. It will throwquite a line.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Fernie48@aol.com wrote: Does anyone have a suitable tapr for a 8 wt. rod =/- 9' long.? How heavymaya rod be before it becomes to tiring to cast? from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Sep 8 20:43:09 2000 e891h7G08543 Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:44:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Swelled butts The Morgan comes with provision for swelled butts, IF you want them. GMA from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Sep 8 20:45:25 2000 e891jNG08694 Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:47:04 -0500 Subject: Re: bonefish taper The PHY Texas General makes a great #8 wt., and would be a neat light saltwater rod. The archives show it as a 9', but mine were 8.5'. GMA from cmj@post11.tele.dk Sat Sep 9 01:20:13 2000 e896KCG13411 +0200 Subject: Sv: Sv: Swelled butts; now-like everything else, Parabolics! Boo! e896KDG13412 Hank, You are spot on - I agree regards,carsten ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Sv: Swelled butts; now-like everything else, Parabolics! Boo! Carsten and John,If I might jump in here-as I understand the parabolic rod graph of length vs. diameter the tip might start off, say, at .014" in 5" increments and slowly drop in thousandths of inches/5" intervals throughout the rod length so the whole rod could be called a compound taper. Now, if you don't likethe action of the "smooth" taper as seen on the graph just add a little woodhere and take a little off there and you have an even more "compound taper". In other words, I consider any taper that isn't a straight- line taper to be compound. Now, if I'm wrong the fat's in the fire. :-)Best regards,Hank. from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Sep 9 02:11:34 2000 e897BVG14233 Subject: Re: Swelled butts Organization: vet Darryl Swelling the butt on a Wayne Cattanach was my only venture into modifyingtapers so far. I built one 7'0" 4-weight according to WC, and then just forthe hell of it made another and wound out the forms as far as the steelwould let me to create a swell. It looks really good, and it casts very well, though as someone elsecommented, I am not really a good enough caster ( 127' casts with a Gillumwould just be a daydream to me ) to know, I think it is because the actionis foreshortened and thus speeded up a bit. But mine is a real disappointment to fish with. It is a harsh rod to use,and I find that any kind of delicate presentation is difficult with it, andit horses fish around like a graphite. I am not a professional, and don't sell rods; but really interestingly, Ihave had more offers for this rod than for any other I have made. I thinkthat is because bamboo is really unusual over here in Australia, and thepeople who are offering are graphite types, thus more comfortable with thestyle of the swelled rod. In fact the original WC version is a beautiful rod. Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Swelled butts I've just made another 5 foot one piece, and because I had a littletrouble fitting the small diameter blank in normal handle and reel seatbores in the others I made, I swelled the handle and reel seat area. I havemade swelled butt rods before, but I saw no real advantage other thanappearance. With this latest rod the swelled butt gives a tremendous gain inthe "feel" of the cast. Perhaps a gain in leverage, or a more stable handleto work the rest of the rod. Whatever the reason, it seems to work better.Has anyone else noticed this in a swelled butt rod?Darryl from bob@downandacross.com Sat Sep 9 07:44:59 2000 e89CixG17245 Subject: Re: Swelled butts on the Hand Mill --=====================_5490558==_.ALT The Hand Mill does have a set of precision ground washers that when put under the anvil will produce swells up to .122 over a 2.5" range. You decide on the amount of swell you want, and you insert the washers under the anvil at the hold down points. Your swell will be twice the size of the washers you use. It comes with .010, .020, and .031 washers. You begin to set the taper at the first anvil hold down station, 2.5" above where you want the handle to begin and then you use that as the 0 point. If you use all three sizes per station, you would get a .122 swell between where the washers begin and the handle.On the Hand Mill, the hold down screws are 2.5 inches apart, and the taper setting bolts are 5" apart. Believe me, I know just having drilled out the 3/8" thick aluminum angle and my bench to accommodate it.Although I paid for my setup, the kit now comes free with new Hand Mills. I missed out on the free one by just a matter of weeks. I must admit however, that I have not really tried the kit with the big swells. The biggest I did was .060. It looks nice, and it is better that what can be done with the 5" form adjustors on a normal planing form. Best regards, Bob Mauluccidownandacross.comSplit Cane Fly Rods and Silk Lines --=====================_5490558==_.ALT The Hand Mill does have a set of precision ground washers thatwhen put under the anvil will produce swells up to .122 over a 2.5"range. You decide on the amount of swell you want, and you insert thewashers under the anvil at the hold down points. Your swell will be twicethe size of the washers you use. It comes with .010, .020, and .031 station, you would get a .122 swell between where the washers begin andthe handle. On the Hand Mill, the hold down screws are 2.5 inches apart, and thetaper setting bolts are 5" apart. Believe me, I know just havingdrilled out the 3/8" thick aluminum angle and my bench toaccommodate it.Although I paid for my setup, the kit now comes free with new HandMills. I missed out on the free one by just a matter of weeks. I mustadmit however, that I have not really tried the kit with the big swells.The biggest I did was .060. It looks nice, and it is better that what canbe done with the 5" form adjustors on a normal planing form. see:http://www.troutrods.com/handmill.htmlBest regards, Bob Mauluccidownandacross.com SplitCane Fly Rods and Silk Lines --=====================_5490558==_.ALT-- from bob@downandacross.com Sat Sep 9 07:49:55 2000 e89CnsG17413 Subject: Re: Swelled butts on the Hand Mill --=====================_5787076==_.ALT Actually, with all that drilling, I better check on these stations. They may be wrong. Oh well. At 08:42 AM 9/9/00 -0400, you wrote:On the Hand Mill, the hold down screws are 2.5 inches apart, and the taper setting bolts are 5" apart. Believe me, I know just having drilled out the 3/8" thick aluminum angle and my bench to accommodate it. Bob Mauluccidownandacross.comSplit Cane Fly Rods and Silk Lines --=====================_5787076==_.ALT Actually, with all that drilling, I better check on these stations. Theymay be wrong. Oh well. At 08:42 AM 9/9/00 -0400, you wrote:On the Hand Mill, the hold down screws are 2.5inches apart, and the taper setting bolts are 5" apart. Believe me,I know just having drilled out the 3/8" thick aluminum angle and mybench to accommodate it. Bob Mauluccidownandacross.com SplitCane Fly Rods and Silk Lines --=====================_5787076==_.ALT-- from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Sep 9 08:43:14 2000 e89DhCG19712 Subject: Re: Literature Organization: vet hey Dave I missed the most important bit of your note - "Who is (was) Tom McGuane?"Thomas McGuane is one of the best writers in the outdoor/fishing/getting intouch with the real world school. He is a screenwriter, an essayist, anovelist, a connisseur of cutting horses and a trainer and rider of themtoo. He is a superb writer of the English language. John Gierach is to TomMcGuane as Horrocks-Ibbotson is to Garrison, as Lada is to Rolls-Royce, asgraphite is to bamboo! Grits to truffles! If you have not read Thomas McGuane yet, endow your soul, and do so soon.Start with "The Longest Silence" and go from there; if you know which end ofa horse does what, also read "Some Horses" - if you can get through "Chink'sBenjibaby" without having to sniff, just a bit, then you are not human. If you want to talk about Thomas McGuane on this list or off this list,please feel free to contact me. My signature quote of Tom McGuane comesfromthe opening sentence of his essay on permit, "The Longest Silence". Regards Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Literature List, I have a question that was, literally, keeping me awake. "When thetrout are gone, smash the state," Tom Mcguane. Someone on the list usesthis, periodically, as a signature. Who is (was) Tom Mcguane, and whowrote about him, i.e., what is the reference? I live in what I like torefer to as an entitlement state where every citizen who can afford alicence, is "entitled to his five trout a day", and where, in the future,hopefully after I cash it in, we may run out of trout, particularly if thelocal rednecks persist in planting bass in trout waters. Could anyonehelpme with the quotation? I would gratefully respond with one tirade perweek. TIA, Dave from dpeaston@wzrd.com Sat Sep 9 09:04:37 2000 e89E4bG20156 Subject: Re: Literature Peter, More Like Apples and Oranges. -D. Easton At 12:42 AM 9/10/00 +1000, petermckean wrote:hey Dave I missed the most important bit of your note - "Who is (was) TomMcGuane?"Thomas McGuane is one of the best writers in the outdoor/fishing/gettingintouch with the real world school. He is a screenwriter, an essayist, anovelist, a connisseur of cutting horses and a trainer and rider of themtoo. He is a superb writer of the English language. John Gierach is to TomMcGuane as Horrocks-Ibbotson is to Garrison, as Lada is to Rolls-Royce, asgraphite is to bamboo! Grits to truffles! If you have not read Thomas McGuane yet, endow your soul, and do so soon.Start with "The Longest Silence" and go from there; if you know which endofa horse does what, also read "Some Horses" - if you can get through"Chink'sBenjibaby" without having to sniff, just a bit, then you are not human. If you want to talk about Thomas McGuane on this list or off this list,please feel free to contact me. My signature quote of Tom McGuane comesfromthe opening sentence of his essay on permit, "The Longest Silence". Regards Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message -----From: "David La Touche" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:26 PMSubject: Literature List, I have a question that was, literally, keeping me awake. "When thetrout are gone, smash the state," Tom Mcguane. Someone on the listusesthis, periodically, as a signature. Who is (was) Tom Mcguane, and whowrote about him, i.e., what is the reference? I live in what I like torefer to as an entitlement state where every citizen who can afford alicence, is "entitled to his five trout a day", and where, in the future,hopefully after I cash it in, we may run out of trout, particularly if thelocal rednecks persist in planting bass in trout waters. Could anyonehelpme with the quotation? I would gratefully respond with one tirade perweek. TIA, Dave Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from Fernie48@aol.com Sat Sep 9 10:47:24 2000 e89FlOG21713 Subject: final butt taper I am relatively new to cane building , Have built a few. When a rod length is ,for example 8'0" ,and the taper dimensions stop at point 85, is any further taper not necessary, or makes no difference, or----------what? from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sat Sep 9 11:54:00 2000 e89GrxG22853 Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:53:53 -0700 Subject: Re: final butt taper Hi Fernie48,Usually the taper numbers stop at the end of the cork grip. The corkoftenstops the flexing of the rod anyway. If an 8' taper stops at 85", then oneassumes that the number for 85", say .348", will continue out to 96". Hope this helps,Harry Boyd Fernie48@aol.com wrote: I am relatively new to cane building , Have built a few. When a rod lengthis ,for example 8'0" ,and the taper dimensions stop at point 85, is anyfurther taper not necessary, or makes no difference, or----------what? from horsesho@ptd.net Sat Sep 9 11:57:13 2000 e89GvDG23016 Organization: ProLog Subject: Re: final butt taper That is a matter of opinion. I feel that the bamboo under the grip addsnothing to the action because it doesn't bend and is under or behindyour hand. Therefore the 85" reading can be carried to the end of thebutt section. Marty I am relatively new to cane building , Have built a few. When a rod lengthis ,for example 8'0" ,and the taper dimensions stop at point 85, is anyfurther taper not necessary, or makes no difference, or----------what? from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Sep 9 18:19:52 2000 e89NJoG00691 Subject: Re: Literature Organization: vet Douglas That's probably more like it, all right. Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Literature Peter, More Like Apples and Oranges. -D. Easton At 12:42 AM 9/10/00 +1000, petermckean wrote:hey Dave I missed the most important bit of your note - "Who is (was) TomMcGuane?"Thomas McGuane is one of the best writers in the outdoor/fishing/gettingintouch with the real world school. He is a screenwriter, an essayist, anovelist, a connisseur of cutting horses and a trainer and rider of themtoo. He is a superb writer of the English language. John Gierach is to TomMcGuane as Horrocks-Ibbotson is to Garrison, as Lada is to Rolls-Royce,asgraphite is to bamboo! Grits to truffles! If you have not read Thomas McGuane yet, endow your soul, and do sosoon.Start with "The Longest Silence" and go from there; if you know which endofa horse does what, also read "Some Horses" - if you can get through"Chink'sBenjibaby" without having to sniff, just a bit, then you are not human. If you want to talk about Thomas McGuane on this list or off this list,please feel free to contact me. My signature quote of Tom McGuanecomesfromthe opening sentence of his essay on permit, "The Longest Silence". Regards Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message -----From: "David La Touche" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:26 PMSubject: Literature List, I have a question that was, literally, keeping me awake. "Whenthetrout are gone, smash the state," Tom Mcguane. Someone on the listusesthis, periodically, as a signature. Who is (was) Tom Mcguane, and whowrote about him, i.e., what is the reference? I live in what I like torefer to as an entitlement state where every citizen who can afford alicence, is "entitled to his five trout a day", and where, in thefuture,hopefully after I cash it in, we may run out of trout, particularly ifthelocal rednecks persist in planting bass in trout waters. Could anyonehelpme with the quotation? I would gratefully respond with one tirade perweek. TIA, Dave Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from DNHayashida@aol.com Sat Sep 9 21:55:03 2000 e8A2t2G04274 Subject: Re: Swelled butts Actually the Morgan handmill can do swelled butts, but I do hand plane these 5 footers for another reason. These rods are one piece, and my Morgan handmill isn't long enough. I have the short version, and can't afford to get the longer rail.Darryl Darryl. I seem to recall that the Morgan Handmill can't do swelled butts. Did youbreak out your old planing form for this one? from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Sep 9 23:42:47 2000 e8A4giG05860 Subject: Re: literature and Ladas Organization: vet This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C01B3D.9D8889E0 Thanks, Rich There are not many Ladas ( Ladae?) over here either, but as luck would =have it my father-in-law has one, which I have to confess, as the =cheapest 4-wheel drive in the known universe, does still get him around =our central mountains and the lakes and get him home again. I like to =feel, especially when pondering things like the Black Sea Fleet, that =the Lada is not typical of Russian engineering; but it does the job as a =fishing car well enough. And no one would steal it. You know the Lada jokes? Q. How do you double the value of your Lada?A. Half fill the tank with fuel. Q. What do you call a Lada with twin exhaust pipes?A. A wheelbarrow. Peterpetermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long silences..."Thomas McGuane Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 8:43 AMSubject: Re: Literature Peter,I don't think most Yankes know what a Lada is. Having ben in Poland 5 =years ago and Lithuania this year, I learned about the Russian auto =industry.Thanks for the recommendations. I am starting a doctoral program next =week so it seems that my reading won't be of my choice for a while. =Maybe next summer.Rich Jezioro At 09:42 AM 9/9/00, you wrote: hey Dave I missed the most important bit of your note - "Who is (was) Tom =McGuane?"Thomas McGuane is one of the best writers in the =outdoor/fishing/getting intouch with the real world school. He is a screenwriter, an essayist, =anovelist, a connisseur of cutting horses and a trainer and rider of =themtoo. He is a superb writer of the English language. John Gierach is to =TomMcGuane as Horrocks-Ibbotson is to Garrison, as Lada is to =Rolls- Royce, asgraphite is to bamboo! Grits to truffles! If you have not read Thomas McGuane yet, endow your soul, and do so =soon.Start with "The Longest Silence" and go from there; if you know =which end ofa horse does what, also read "Some Horses" - if you can get through ="Chink'sBenjibaby" without having to sniff, just a bit, then you are not =human. If you want to talk about Thomas McGuane on this list or off this =list,please feel free to contact me. My signature quote of Tom McGuane =comes fromthe opening sentence of his essay on permit, "The Longest Silence". Regards Peter petermckean@netspace.net.au "What is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long =silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message -----From: "David La Touche" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:26 PMSubject: Literature List, I have a question that was, literally, keeping me awake. ="When thetrout are gone, smash the state," Tom Mcguane. Someone on the =list usesthis, periodically, as a signature. Who is (was) Tom Mcguane, and =whowrote about him, i.e., what is the reference? I live in what I =like torefer to as an entitlement state where every citizen who can =afford alicence, is "entitled to his five trout a day", and where, in the =future,hopefully after I cash it in, we may run out of trout, =particularly if thelocal rednecks persist in planting bass in trout waters. Could =anyonehelpme with the quotation? I would gratefully respond with one tirade =perweek. TIA, Dave *________________________________)/ @/||/____/||_________________________________________ ))):> > = ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C01B3D.9D8889E0 Thanks, Rich There are not many Ladas ( Ladae?)over = either, but as luck would have it my father-in-law has one, which I have = confess, as the cheapest 4-wheel drive in the known universe, does still = around our central mountains and the lakes and get him home again. I = feel, especially when pondering things like the Black Sea Fleet, that = is not typical of Russian engineering; but it does the job as a fishing = enough. And no one would steal it. You know the Ladajokes? Q. How do you double the value of Lada? tank with fuel. Q. What do you call a Lada with twin = pipes?A. A wheelbarrow. All the best, Peterpetermckean@netspace.net.au silences..."Thomas McGuane ----- Original Message ----- Jezioro Sent: Sunday, September 10, = AMSubject: Re: LiteraturePeter,I don't think most Yankesknow = Lada is. Having ben in Poland 5 years ago and Lithuania this year, I = about the Russian auto industry.Thanks for the recommendations. I = starting a doctoral program next week so it seems that my reading = my choice for a while. Maybe next summer.Rich JezioroAt = 9/9/00, you wrote:hey DaveI missed the most = of your note - "Who is (was) Tom McGuane?"Thomas McGuane is one= best writers in the outdoor/fishing/getting intouch with the = school. He is a screenwriter, an essayist, anovelist, a = cutting horses and a trainer and rider of themtoo.He is = writer of the English language. John Gierach is to TomMcGuane as = Horrocks-Ibbotson is to Garrison, as Lada is to Rolls-Royce, = is to bamboo! Grits to truffles!If you have not read Thomas = yet, endow your soul, and do so soon.Start with "The Longest = and go from there; if you know which end ofa horse does what, = "Some Horses" - if you can get through "Chink'sBenjibaby" = to sniff, just a bit, then you are not human.If you want to = about Thomas McGuane on this list or off this list,please feel = contact me. My signature quote of Tom McGuane comes fromthe = = is most emphatic in angling is made so by the long = McGuane----- Original Message -----From: "David La = Friday, September 08, 2000 3:26 PMSubject: = List, I have a question that was, literally, keeping me awake. "When = = = = ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C01B3D.9D8889E0-- from vladmar@angara.ru Sun Sep 10 01:06:04 2000 e8A661G07265 ME-0197614) +0900 Subject: source of bamboo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C01B24.2E4636E0 I'm beginner at rod making (i'm flytyer). In great site of Thomas =Penrose i found lot of tips haw to make, and some sources of tonkin =cane. To bay large quantity is too expensive for me. Would you tell me =haw many bamboo i will need to make 3 rods (#4-6. no long), and i need =in alternative sources then mention in Penrose's site Charles H. =Demarest, inc and The Bamboo Broker Andy Royer.Thanks in advanceVladimir Markov, Russiavladmar@angara.ruhttp://vladmar.homestead.com/hopper.html ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C01B24.2E4636E0 HI rodmakers, sources of tonkin cane. To bay large quantity is too expensive for me. = tell me haw many bamboo i will need to make 3 rods (#4-6. no long), and = in alternative sources then mention in Penrose's site Charles H. = Thanks in advanceVladimir Markov, Russiavladmar@angara.ruhttp://vladmar.homestea=d.com/hopper.html ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C01B24.2E4636E0-- from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Sun Sep 10 05:12:30 2000 e8AACTG10051 Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:12:25 +0100 "'RODMAKERS'" Subject: Bamboo for Russia Whats the rear wiper for on a Lada ?To keep your hands warm when pushing it......teee...heee...he We should stop all this we now have a Russian wanabe on the list............has anyone managed to help Mr Markov with a supplier ofBamboo in Russia ......what about our Norwegian Friends, geographicallythey are quite close.Come on in Danny and Carsten , can you help him ? Paul from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Sun Sep 10 05:33:38 2000 e8AAXbG10434 Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:33:33 +0100 "'RODMAKERS'" Subject: Re: literature and Ladas Oooooooops,That last 'joke' should have read; Whats the heated rear window used for on a Lada ?To keep your hands warm when pushing it........ from cmj@post11.tele.dk Sun Sep 10 05:36:16 2000 e8AAaFG10552 Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:36:12 +0200 "'RODMAKERS'"