Subject: SV: Multi-color rod? eBBHkbG14018 Steve,In the very first issue of T.B.F.R, January-February 1998, there is an article thinks the letters stands for two-tone because the bamboo strips onopposite sides of the guides are flamed tempered while the two other stripsare butter yellow. Mr.Nau thinks that the concept of flame tempering of theopposite sides was not just for aesthetics but perhaps to dampen the lateralvibrations that can sap energy from a cast... regardsJohan Nygaardsvold----- Original Message ----- Subject: Multi-color rod? Has anyone on the list ever made a rod in which the splines arealternately blond and flamed? In other words, three of the six splinesare dark brown and the other three are blond in an alternatingpattern. You could obviously still build a rod like that using asingle culm and I believe that proper heat treating of the blondsplines would likely prevent the rod action from being negativelyaffected. It seems to me that a rod like that would look pretty darncool, but it might be more apt to show curves in the rod or spline"wandering" along the shaft. Opinions? --Steve from cmj@post11.tele.dk Mon Dec 11 13:03:28 2000 eBBJ3NG16971 +0100 Subject: Sv: Multi-color rod? eBBJ3SG16974 Danish rodmaker Ib Olsen has made rods with alternatingblonde and brown strips for years. Sadly, his entire workshop AND stock of bamboo burned to theground a few years ago, and as far as I know, he gave up rodmakingbecause of this. I have seen a couple of his rods, and as far as the finish, nothingcomes close. Never tried casting one, but I'd say he really knowsbamboo. One sold on E-bay half a year ago - brand new, forsomething like 325 USD - a real steal. If You ever comeacross one of his rods, buy it if You can. It will set thestandard in the finishing dept. regards, carsten from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 13:12:25 2000 eBBJCOG17389 2000 11:12:17 PST Subject: Re: Multi-color rod? it seems to me i have seen a rod like this recentlymade by someone on the list. i have considered doingthis myself but have a calling to get the rod done andtake it fishing. this is a fault i know. i want tomake art but i am compelled to go fishing. :-) timothy --- Steve Zimmerman wrote:Has anyone on the list ever made a rod in which thesplines arealternately blond and flamed? In other words, threeof the six splinesare dark brown and the other three are blond in analternatingpattern. You could obviously still build a rod likethat using asingle culm and I believe that proper heat treatingof the blondsplines would likely prevent the rod action frombeing negativelyaffected. It seems to me that a rod like that wouldlook pretty darncool, but it might be more apt to show curves in therod or spline"wandering" along the shaft. Opinions? --Steve ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from gjm80301@yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 13:53:16 2000 eBBJrFG19231 2000 11:54:26 PST Subject: Re: Multi-color rod? I saw a nodeless (new) with alternating dark/light sections, making acheckerboard sort of look, for sale at an Island Park, Idaho fly shop(forget name, but next door to Lawson's). Interesting, I can't decide how i like it. --- John Kenealy wrote:I know that I've seen one like that years ago- I'm almost thinkingthat it was made by Ron Kusse, but it was quite a while ago. Shortly after Leonard Rod closed and he went on his own. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Zimmerman Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:32 AMSubject: Re: Multi-color rod? Ernie Harrison wrote: George Gerke's Bastard rod is somewhat like that. He darkenscircles on theculm and then splits it and lets the strips of dark and lightfallwhere theymay. Yes, I've seen a rod like that and have even made one that way. Idon't think that's something George invented. To clarify, I'msuggesting alternatively gluing flamed and blond full-lengthnoded-strips together to form a uniformblond-brown-blond-brown-blond-brown pattern all along the lengthofthe rod. I'm probably the only one who thinks it would lookstriking.And I reserve the right to change my mind if I ever end up makingone:) --Steve __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from if6were9@bellsouth.net Mon Dec 11 14:03:53 2000 eBBK3qG19698 Subject: Re: Sv: Router Rig Another tool along the same line is offered by HUT products. It'sdesigned for pen making, but would be simple to adapt to insertdimensions. Carsten Jorgensen wrote: Sorry, my explanation did not explain the use of the rigclearly, so I'll try again: The rig is for making the recess with a fingernail bit. Holding the filler in place is two conical pieces ofmetal rod, slightly larger than the bored hole in the filler On the left side of the left part of the rig is a knob. this isused for pulling the rig apart. The filler can then be taken outand a new one inserted. Keeping the two rig halves in placeis a tight push fit - no strings or anything else is needed. I simply clamp the right half of the rig to my workbench,leaving the left part of the rig free for pulling/pushing. Since everything is made tight, nothing will move/rotateduring routing. Well, guys, thats all. Hope I've made myself clear this time. regards,carsten from fiveside@net-gate.com Mon Dec 11 14:59:32 2000 eBBKxWG23321 Subject: Re: Multi-color rod? I saw a nodeless (new) with alternating dark/light sections, making acheckerboard sort of look, for sale at an Island Park, Idaho fly shop(forget name, but next door to Lawson's). Interesting, I can't decide how i like it. The Zebra Rod: Most of my nodeless rods have this effect built in byaccident, but I did build one deliberately with alternating light/darkstrips scarfed in. It's called the Zebra rod and does get some attentionalong the stream. I think George Barnes has been playing around with this from jfoster@gte.net Mon Dec 11 16:08:57 2000 eBBM8uG26703 ; id QAA69327867 Subject: Re: Multi-color rod? Hi Steve I and several i'm sure have such rods, my impression is it is neat, butnot standard, I use mine when i feel like poking fun at myself.bumblebee-- I didn't notice any difference in casting between a blond and an allflamed rod i built at the same time (frame) out of the same culm.now with that said, my casting is at best suspect, so my level ofdiscrimination should be so weighed ...jeez are we all gon'a starttalking like lawyers at work. regards jerry from jfoster@gte.net Mon Dec 11 16:21:32 2000 eBBMLVG27235 Subject: Re: Multi-color rod? to amend the above, before someone else does: Assume also a .001to .006 tolerance to the spec at random intervals inthe sticks themselves.. jerry from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Mon Dec 11 16:24:59 2000 eBBMOsG27471 +0000 Subject: Shadow Casting Gents,Pardon my ignorance here but could someone please explain what is meant Many thanks......Paul from newmin@ptdprolog.net Mon Dec 11 16:43:40 2000 eBBMhcG28548 0000 0000 Subject: test please ignore from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Mon Dec 11 16:49:05 2000 eBBMn4G28896 eBBMmwb25403; Subject: Re: Shadow Casting On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, paul.blakley wrote: Gents,Pardon my ignorance here but could someone please explain what is meant Many thanks......Paul http://www.jasonborger.com/JBpages/scast.html Regards, Bobflysupplies@yahoo.com from bob@downandacross.com Mon Dec 11 16:59:02 2000 eBBMx1G29385 Subject: multi colored rods --=====================_3762510==_.ALT Sorry, I tried to post this twice.I am building a nodeless now with dark flamed pieces under the handle. The splices just in front of the grip alternate and make a nice effect with a swelled butt. The rest of the rod is blonde, and I spliced short pieces right after on three of the strips so it creates a stagger. Until I figure out how to do those fancy cedar inserts between all six strips, this looks pretty cool. When I finish it, I will post a pic on my site. It makes a //|\\ sort of look.Bob Mauluccibob@downandacross.com --=====================_3762510==_.ALT Sorry, I tried to post this twice.I am building a nodeless now with dark flamed pieces under the handle.The splices just in front of the grip alternate and make a nice effectwith a swelled butt. The rest of the rod is blonde, and I spliced shortpieces right after on three of the strips so it creates a stagger. UntilI figure out how to do those fancy cedar inserts between all six strips,this looks pretty cool. When I finish it, I will post a pic on my site.It makes a //|\\ sort of look. Bob Mauluccibob@downandacross.com --=====================_3762510==_.ALT-- from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Mon Dec 11 17:08:55 2000 eBBN8sG29801 Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:08:53 +0000 Subject: Re: Shadow Casting Bob,Thank you very much for your definitive explanation........Paul rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, paul.blakley wrote: Gents,Pardon my ignorance here but could someone please explain what ismeant Many thanks......Paul http://www.jasonborger.com/JBpages/scast.html Regards, Bobflysupplies@yahoo.com from Grhghlndr@aol.com Mon Dec 11 17:34:07 2000 eBBNY6G00768 Subject: Re: multi colored rods I am in the process of building just such a rod. I took one half of a culm and made a blond two piece rod of 6'3" and I took the other half of the culm and flamed it and built a 6'3" 3 pc rod both from Waynes tapers in his book. I have enough cane left over to build a 2 pc rod out of and I am mixing the flamed and unflamed just to see what the rod will be like. Being that the blond cane was heated in the oven to temper it much like the flamed cane I don't think there will be a noticeable difference in the strips.Bret from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Dec 11 17:49:23 2000 eBBNnMG01244 Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:49:20 -0800 Subject: Re: multi colored rods Bob,I know it's been asked here before, but I don't remembera definitive answer. Does anyone have information on how todo the cedar (or other) inlays? Harry bob maulucci wrote: Until I figure out how to do those fancy cedar insertsbetween all six strips, this looks pretty cool. When Ifinish it, I will post a pic on my site. It makes a //|\\sort of look. --Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from bob@downandacross.com Mon Dec 11 18:06:03 2000 eBC062G01798 Subject: Re: multi colored rods Hi Harry:I have asked and asked, and no one is telling. That's fair. I will figure it out and get it to the list.Bob At 05:44 PM 12/11/00 -0600, you wrote:Bob,I know it's been asked here before, but I don't remembera definitive answer. Does anyone have information on how todo the cedar (or other) inlays? Harry bob maulucci wrote: Until I figure out how to do those fancy cedar insertsbetween all six strips, this looks pretty cool. When Ifinish it, I will post a pic on my site. It makes a //|\\sort of look. --Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from dpeaston@wzrd.com Mon Dec 11 18:33:43 2000 eBC0XhG02587 Subject: Re: Granger Registered. David, When you say hanging, I hope you mean vertically! A discussion of theGranger Registerred models can be found on Dick Spurr's Classic Anglersite: http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/canecoun/granger.htm His suggestedvalue is $900. -Doug At 08:24 AM 12/11/00 -0500, David W. Smith, Ph.D. wrote: Grass Gang, I was attending an office function last night at a colleague's home. The evening was saved when I saw a Granger Registeredhanging on the host's office wall. There was also a PhillipsonPacemaker. He told me he inherited these rods from hisgrandfather, but knew nothing else. He's apparently had them for yearsbut hasn't fished either. I told him I knew where to get detailedinformation. The Granger Registered has a serial/model number of RX9053, 9', 5 3/4oz, 3/2 (no wt. given). It has never (ever) been fished, looks like itcame out of a drying box this week. It has the original sock and tube. He would like to get as much info on this (these) rods as possible(product years/number/maker and, of course value, etc). The Phillipson is a 2/2, with no other info on the rod/tube. Itappears to be a ~7-7 1/2' 4/5 wt in good condition, clearly fished agreat deal. Can anyone point me to or provide some info on these rods? He is notinterested is selling, but is concerned about insurance. Many thanks in advance, David Smith from HomeyDKlown@att.net Mon Dec 11 18:58:55 2000 eBC0woG03125 ;Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:26:52 +0000 Subject: Re: Multi-color rod? Folks, Jon Lintvet brought a rod that he made to the Catskills Gathering thisyear that looked great. It was flamed in such a way that when he gluedup the strips, the patterning lined up to resemble a checkerboard. Itlooked very striking and got a lot of comments. It also got broken thatweekend! Jon, did you ever fix that rod? Dennis Bill Fink wrote: I saw a nodeless (new) with alternating dark/light sections, making acheckerboard sort of look, for sale at an Island Park, Idaho fly shop(forget name, but next door to Lawson's). Interesting, I can't decide how i like it. The Zebra Rod: Most of my nodeless rods have this effect built in byaccident, but I did build one deliberately with alternating light/darkstrips scarfed in. It's called the Zebra rod and does get some attentionalong the stream. I think George Barnes has been playing around with this from JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 11 19:19:23 2000 eBC1JNG03714 ;Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:19:19 +0000 "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Weldwood Resorcinol What recipe do you use both by weight and also volume in mixing Resorcinol?Do you by any chance use alcohol in the final mix to get a smoother, thinnermix? Jack ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Weldwood Resorcinol Every time I read this string I wish it were simpler to get the stuff tointerested people.Over here it's available all over the place and it seems it's better thantheUS stuff because the powder *seems* finer than it appears in the USjudging bythe comments re. sifting it, it doesn't need sifting here. I'm in some doubt as to it's shelf life once the tin of resin has beenopened.I used to use resorcinol a lot in boat building prefering to use it forlaminations especially for permanantly submerged jobs and if the tin wasmorethan 12 months old I'd always test the glue before doing a job because Ifoundit did become unreliable after a certain time although it could have beendueto other factors like impropper clamping (some jobs are very dif to clampatthe correct presures within it's pot life on sight, that's why epoxy is sogoodto use) or too low a temp during curing. I didn't mess about with it if Ihadfailures, I just gave the glue the floatation test and got new stuff. Anyhow, it's unlikely there would be enough interest in the group to allowmeto get a bulk amount of this but if anybody is wanting some I'd be happytopick some up and post it out to you for it's cost at the store and postoffice.It's a bit expensive at around $AUST 50 for more than 30 rods worth ofglueplus approx $AUST 10 for postage. If you halve that you'll be close to the$USprice.I've got a hell of a lot of catching up on work since getting back home from NZbut I'll be out and about in the next few days and get an exact price ontheglue and postage if anybody is interested. Tony At 03:27 PM 12/10/00 -0500, J. C. Zimny wrote: To Bob et al,It would be good if some of you could list sources of supply of thisveryimportant adhesive.I don't any of my fellow list members would object to someone listing afewplaces that sell it in small quantities. My local hardware stores don'tcarryit.John Z Owen Davies wrote: Among other useful comments, Bob Nunley suggested: Also, if you want to know the specs on DAP's Weldwood Resorcinol,theMSDS and Tech data sheet are available at =43>http://www.dap.com/retail/retail_detail.cfm?subcatid=9&catid=4&prodhdrid=43 Alas, their technical data sheets are down while they revise thesystem. Owen Davies /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html And this our life, exempt from public haunt,Finds tongues in trees, books in running brooks,Sermons in stones, and good in everything. William Shakespeare, As You Like It /*************************************************************************/ from HalManas@aol.com Mon Dec 11 19:57:23 2000 eBC1vMG04568 Subject: Waara V-block --part1_b5.46988c9.2766dffa_boundary I just read an article by John Bokstrom in the new issue of "the Planing Form" about the Waara V-block. I'm wondering if anyone on the list knows if the Waara V-block is available for purchase. It seems like a really useful tool, but I have no idea how to obtain one. Thanks in advance, Hal --part1_b5.46988c9.2766dffa_boundary wondering if anyone on the list knows if the Waara V-block is available --part1_b5.46988c9.2766dffa_boundary-- from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 11 20:07:08 2000 eBC277G04888 VAA06063; Subject: Re: Shadow Casting Paul .." shadow casting " can be best be described as " a poor player thatstruts and frets his hour on the stage, a tail told by idiots full of soundand fury signifying nothing" or something like that. Boy didn't realizehow much the fall-out from that movie bothered me...Rich Colo "paul.blakley" wrote: Gents,Pardon my ignorance here but could someone please explain what is meant Many thanks......Paul from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Dec 11 20:53:08 2000 eBC2r8G05989 Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:53:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Waara V-block Hal,The Waara V-block is available from a couple of guys inMichigan, and possibly others. (Goldenwitch?) Both JohnLong and Steven Berger make the v-block, and would gladlysell you one. Both John and Steven are good friends withBill Waara, Jr., son of the inventor.I've got phone #'s for both guys at my office. Contactme off-list if you need them.Harry HalManas@aol.com wrote: I just read an article by John Bokstrom in the newissue of "thePlaning Form" about the Waara V-block. I'm wondering ifanyone on the listknows if the Waara V-block is available for purchase. Itseems like a reallyuseful tool, but I have no idea how to obtain one. Thanksin advance, Hal --Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from gjm80301@yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 21:49:37 2000 eBC3naG07022 2000 19:50:53 PST Subject: Re: Waara V-block David Norling put me in touch with John Long and I just got one for$55. John Long16231 Appleby Lane Northville MI 48167Phone# 734-420-0267 --- HalManas@aol.com wrote:I just read an article by John Bokstrom in the new issue of"the Planing Form" about the Waara V-block. I'm wondering if anyone onthe list knows if the Waara V-block is available for purchase. It seemslike a really useful tool, but I have no idea how to obtain one. Thanks inadvance, Hal __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from piscator@macatawa.org Mon Dec 11 22:40:29 2000 eBC4eSG08026 Subject: lathe tools This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C063CC.22CFDD20 Hi All, I just bought a little metal lathe and am trying to figure out how to = (Ho Boy! Hee Hee Hee! Does anyone in this group have an opinion?!? I =just crack me up!) Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C063CC.22CFDD20 Hi = a little metal lathe and am trying to figure out how to run it and what = should buy to get started.. Does any one have any opinions in this = up!)Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C063CC.22CFDD20-- from martinj@aa.net Mon Dec 11 22:53:45 2000 eBC4rdG08345 Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:53:37 -0800 Subject: RE: lathe tools This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C063B4.667EE830 Well I don't really have an opinion (LOL) but you need to give a bit moreinformation in your request. OK, You need a knurling tool, boring bars, cutoff tools, live center, a set of drill bits, and 3 and 4 jaw chucks. Nowyou didn't say what you were going to use the lathe for so I don't know ifyou really need all these things I listed here... Martin Jensen -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: lathe tools Hi All, I just bought a little metal lathe and am trying to figure out how to runit and what tools I should buy to get started.. Does any one haveany opinions in this area that they would be willing to share? (Ho Boy! Hee Hee Hee! Does anyone in this group have an opinion?!? Ijust crack me up!) Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C063B4.667EE830 don't really have an opinion (LOL) but you need to give a bit more = in your request. OK, You need a knurling tool, boring bars, cut off = what you were going to use the lathe for so I don't know if you really = these things I listed here... Jensen CreekSent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:43 RodmakersSubject: lathe toolsHi = bought a little metal lathe and am trying to figure out how to run it = tools I should buy to get started.. Does any one have any opinions = up!)Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C063B4.667EE830-- from goodaple@tcac.net Mon Dec 11 22:55:34 2000 eBC4tXG08450 (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license1dc0b39e31881b14e43eebad2dae5270) 0600 Subject: Lathe tools Organization: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C063C6.122409C0 Brian, There are others with much more experience in this area on the =list but some regularly used tools that I have are a Spur drive, live =center, various bits for metal work, 3 jaw and a 4 jaw chuck, knurling =tool, various gauges to check tolerances and accuracy, 60 degree counter =sinks, various lathe drill bits, boring bits etc. Honestly a person =could never have enough of these tools. These are the ones that I find =myself using the most. There are several good companies out there =providing reasonably priced tooling. If you need any sources contact me =offlist. Randall R. Gregory NW Arkaansas. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C063C6.122409C0 Brian, There are others with much more= in this area on the list but some regularly used tools that I have are = Spur drive, live center, various bits for metal work, 3 jaw and a 4 jaw = knurling tool, various gauges to check tolerances and accuracy, 60 = counter sinks, various lathe drill bits, boring bits etc. Honestly a = could never have enough of these tools. These are the ones that I find = using the most. There are several good companies out there providing = ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C063C6.122409C0-- from goodaple@tcac.net Mon Dec 11 23:03:33 2000 eBC53WG08768 (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license1dc0b39e31881b14e43eebad2dae5270) 0600 Subject: RE: Lathe tools Organization: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C063C7.2FD98480 Brian I failed too mention that I typically just make simple tools, =reelseats,turn cork handles etc. I could probably do more with these =tools, yet I plan on taking some basic machine shop courses soon so that =I may eventually make my own ferrules(which has really been bugging me). =Randall G. NW Arkie ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C063C7.2FD98480 Brian I failed too mention that I = just make simple tools, reelseats,turn cork handles etc. I could = more with these tools, yet I plan on taking some basic machine shop = so that I may eventually make my own ferrules(which has really been = Randall G. NW Arkie ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C063C7.2FD98480-- from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Dec 12 02:28:21 2000 eBC8SJG11616 Subject: Re: Weldwood Resorcinol , "Rod Makers List Serve" I just use it as it comes from the can but like I wrote the stuff we gethere seems smoother than what it seems you get in the US. The powderhardener is very fine and it all mixes into a smooth thin paste so there isno need to alter it in any way.JZ suggested using 31% Formaldehyde to kick it (Thanks John) but that wouldbe about the only thing I'd ever do to alter it. Tony At 08:19 PM 12/11/00 -0500, Jacques Follweiler wrote:What recipe do you use both by weight and also volume in mixing Resorcinol?Do you by any chance use alcohol in the final mix to get a smoother, thinnermix? Jack /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html And this our life, exempt from public haunt,Finds tongues in trees, books in running brooks,Sermons in stones, and good in everything. William Shakespeare, As You Like It /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Dec 12 02:34:23 2000 eBC8YLG11802 Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:34:20 +0800 Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:33:11 +0800 Subject: Re: lathe tools Depends on what you want to do.As a minimum I'd suggest center drills, drill bits, left & right cutters andmost importantly a grinder with capacity for a large diameter wheel, safetyglasses, tweezers and bandaids. Next get boring bars, knerling tool, parting tool and holder. from there onthesky's the limit. Tony At 11:43 PM 12/11/00 -0500, Brian Creek wrote: Hi All, I just bought a little metal lathe and am trying to figure out how to run itand what tools I should buy to get started.. Does any one have any opinions in this area that they would be willing to share? (Ho Boy! Hee Hee Hee! Does anyone in this group have an opinion?!? I justcrack me up!) Brian /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html And this our life, exempt from public haunt,Finds tongues in trees, books in running brooks,Sermons in stones, and good in everything. William Shakespeare, As You Like It /*************************************************************************/ from JaguschR@aol.com Tue Dec 12 02:47:52 2000 eBC8lpG12075 Hello does anyone has the web adress of Dave LeClair?The one i got does not longer exist. CURainereat..sleep..go fishing!! from grau@buchlang.com Tue Dec 12 03:01:13 2000 eBC91CG12436 Organization: Buchhandlung Lang - Info Access Subject: Re: Dave =?iso-8859-1?Q?LeClair=B4s?= web adress RAINER Ich glaube David verkauft nichts mehr direkt (u.a. Snake-Maker), sondernliefert èber Russ von Goldenwitch "http://www.goldenwitch.com" aus. mfG Stefan Grau JaguschR@aol.com schrieb: Hello does anyone has the web adress of Dave LeClair?The one i got does not longer exist. CURainereat..sleep..go fishing!! --Buchhandlung LangAbteilungInfo AccessHerrn Stefan GrauInformation ConsultantMènzgraben 2 3011 Bern Tel: 031 310 84 84, Fax: 031 310 84 94E-Mail: grau@buchlang.com from jonandkris@rcn.com Tue Dec 12 06:28:14 2000 eBCCSDG14042 ([208.58.249.39] helo=kj) Subject: Leclair address This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0640D.0AFED840 type="multipart/alternative"; ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C0640D.0AFED840 piscator@macatawa.org Tue Dec 12 09:44:08 2000 eBCFi7G17872 "Mike Shaffer" Subject: Re: lathe tools This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C06428.CB677B80 The lathe I bought was a Grizzly 7 x 12. It looks relly solid and well =made. It's no Southbend, of course. I just want to make reelseat hardware (some threaded, some cap and ring) = Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C06428.CB677B80 The lathe I bought was a = course. I just want to make reelseat= (some threaded, some cap and ring) and inserts, maybe try making = Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C06428.CB677B80-- from fquinchat@locl.net Tue Dec 12 10:46:26 2000 eBCGkPG21250 Subject: Tipping Waraps This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C06432.EE07B9C0 Someone at the Catskill Gathering indicated that Degere used a permanent =marker to create a black tipping on silk wraps. I tried it using a =Sanford brand marker. It looked great before I varnished it. After the =varnish was dry, it ran into adjacent wraps an is blotchy. Any =suggestions? Dennis Bertram ------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C06432.EE07B9C0 Someone at the Catskill Gathering= Degere used a permanent marker to create a black tipping on silk = Dennis =Bertram ------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C06432.EE07B9C0-- from rodsupstream@exploremaine.com Tue Dec 12 11:18:46 2000 eBCHIjG22836 0500 Subject: Re: Sinclair Snakermaker, Thanks This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C06436.A52BDA20 To the list: Thank you for your help in answering my questions about makingsnakes, it was a big help and to Harry Boyd thank you again for your kindoffer to lend me one. Take care, Tim Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRodmaker ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C06436.A52BDA20 Normal0DocumentEmail =0=0 To the =list: Thankyou for your help in answering my questions about making snakes, it was =a bighelp and to Harry Boyd thank you again for your kind offer to lend me =one. Takecare, Tim Signature" Upstream =Always, Tim Doughty Rodmaker ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C06436.A52BDA20-- from jfoster@gte.net Tue Dec 12 11:19:08 2000 eBCHJ7G22911 Subject: parts Enco now has a web site http://www.use-enco.com/ jerry from cmj@post11.tele.dk Tue Dec 12 12:03:41 2000 eBCI3fG25013 ;Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:03:41 +0100 Subject: Sv: Tipping Waraps This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0646F.1BAF61C0 Use black Pearsalls Gossamer and 2-3 windings. regards,carsten Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:59 PMSubject: Tipping Waraps Someone at the Catskill Gathering indicated that Degere used a =permanent marker to create a black tipping on silk wraps. I tried it =using a Sanford brand marker. It looked great before I varnished it. =After the varnish was dry, it ran into adjacent wraps an is blotchy. =Any suggestions? Dennis Bertram ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0646F.1BAF61C0 Use black Pearsalls Gossamer and 2- windings. regards,carsten ----- Original Message ----- Bertram Sent: Tuesday, December 12, = PMSubject: Tipping Waraps Someone at the CatskillGathering = Bertram ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0646F.1BAF61C0-- from saweiss@flash.net Tue Dec 12 12:05:41 2000 eBCI5eG25220 Subject: Re: Tipping Waraps This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0642B.779070E0 Dennis,Try using a water-based marker.Steve Someone at the Catskill Gathering indicated that Degere used a =permanent marker to create a black tipping on silk wraps. I tried it =using a Sanford brand marker. It looked great before I varnished it. =After the varnish was dry, it ran into adjacent wraps an is blotchy. =Any suggestions? Dennis Bertram ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0642B.779070E0 Dennis,Try using a water-based =marker.Steve Someone at the CatskillGathering = Bertram ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0642B.779070E0-- from bob@downandacross.com Tue Dec 12 12:12:30 2000 eBCICUG25610 Subject: Re: Tipping Waraps --=====================_14767518==_.ALT I have tried this with good success on nylon only. The silk I tried it on did not look as nice and crisp. It works best with a color preserver (Gudebrod) or varnish that is not thinned excessively. I would not do it on a for sale rod, but I add them to my own rods and also a few bands to distinguish tips. I have used Sharpies almost exclusively with little run from Minwax Helmsman. Try the archives, I think I picked it up from them.Bob At 11:59 AM 12/12/00 -0500, you wrote:Someone at the Catskill Gathering indicated that Degere used a permanent marker to create a black tipping on silk wraps. I tried it using a Sanford brand marker. It looked great before I varnished it. After the varnish was dry, it ran into adjacent wraps an is blotchy. Any suggestions? Dennis Bertram --=====================_14767518==_.ALT I have tried this with good success on nylon only. The silk I tried it ondid not look as nice and crisp. It works best with a color preserver(Gudebrod) or varnish that is not thinned excessively. I would not do iton a for sale rod, but I add them to my own rods and also a few bands todistinguish tips. I have used Sharpies almost exclusively with little run from Minwax Helmsman. Try the archives, I think I picked it up fromthem.Bob At 11:59 AM 12/12/00 -0500, you wrote:Someone at the Catskill Gatheringindicated that Degere used a permanent marker to create a black tipping suggestions? Dennis Bertram --=====================_14767518==_.ALT-- from bob@downandacross.com Tue Dec 12 12:14:50 2000 eBCIEnG25842 Subject: Re: Tipping Waraps I take that back. It was a dry erase marker. Not Sharpee, but Avery. At 11:59 AM 12/12/00 -0500, Dennis Bertram wrote:Someone at the Catskill Gathering indicated that Degere used a permanent marker to create a black tipping on silk wraps. I tried it using a Sanford brand marker. It looked great before I varnished it. After the varnish was dry, it ran into adjacent wraps an is blotchy. Any suggestions? Dennis Bertram from horsesho@ptd.net Tue Dec 12 18:28:25 2000 eBD0SOG09109 Organization: ProLog Subject: Re: Tipping Waraps Dennis Bertram wrote: Someone at the Catskill Gathering indicated that Degere used apermanent marker to create a black tipping on silk wraps. I tried itusing a Sanford brand marker. It looked great before I varnished it.After the varnish was dry, it ran into adjacent wraps an is blotchy.Any suggestions? Dennis BertramI think you need to use a water based sealer or finish with an oil basedmarker or a water based marker with a oil based finish. Marty from ChristopherO@epicimaging.com Tue Dec 12 20:16:08 2000 eBD2G7G10725 (5.5.2448.0) Subject: RE: Tipping Waraps I personally have used sharpiesTM permanent markers for tipping both silkand nylon threads, under spar varnish and varathane.After 3 or 4 rods I have not had any problems with bleeding, etc. Good luck.Chris O -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 4:24 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tipping Waraps Dennis Bertram wrote: Someone at the Catskill Gathering indicated that Degere used apermanent marker to create a black tipping on silk wraps. I trieditusing a Sanford brand marker. It looked great before I varnishedit.After the varnish was dry, it ran into adjacent wraps an isblotchy.Any suggestions? Dennis BertramI think you need to use a water based sealer or finish with an oilbasedmarker or a water based marker with a oil based finish. Marty from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Dec 12 22:38:40 2000 eBD4ceG13033 Subject: Re: Tipping Waraps Chris,I've used a Sharpie a few times myself. Works fine. But giving the "ink" afew seconds to dry before one continues wrapping is a good idea. I think itwasMike Biondo who first mentioned that little trick on the list. Harry "Christopher A. Obuchowski, MD" wrote: I personally have used sharpiesTM permanent markers for tipping both silkand nylon threads, under spar varnish and varathane.After 3 or 4 rods I have not had any problems with bleeding, etc. from hexagon@odyssee.net Wed Dec 13 08:19:58 2000 eBDEJvG18202 Subject: Hi Everybody I have just had minor surgery and must not do anything too physical, itis freezing cold out and there are pledge drives on the telly, so I havedecided to see what is happening on rodmakers.Terry from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Wed Dec 13 08:23:51 2000 eBDENoG18484 VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) Subject: RE: Hi Everybody Welcome back Terry! The list has become a bit quiet lately so perhaps you can spruce things upa bit. All the best, Richard -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:26 AM Subject: Hi Everybody I have just had minor surgery and must not do anything toophysical, itis freezing cold out and there are pledge drives on thetelly, so I havedecided to see what is happening on rodmakers.Terry from briansr@point-net.com Wed Dec 13 08:38:44 2000 eBDEchG19081 Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:38:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Hi Everybody Hi TerryI hope your Velcro holds up(Terry had a tummy tuck and he is now known asTerry the Svelte) .Did you go for the epidural or general aneathesic ??Cheers Brian ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Hi Everybody I have just had minor surgery and must not do anything too physical, itis freezing cold out and there are pledge drives on the telly, so I havedecided to see what is happening on rodmakers.Terry from gjm80301@yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 09:07:00 2000 eBDF6xG19904 2000 07:07:01 PST Subject: RE: Hi Everybody rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu My thoughts exactly. --- Richard Nantel wrote:Welcome back Terry! The list has become a bit quiet lately so perhaps you can sprucethings upa bit. All the best, Richard -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:26 AM Subject: Hi Everybody I have just had minor surgery and must not do anything toophysical, itis freezing cold out and there are pledge drives on thetelly, so I havedecided to see what is happening on rodmakers.Terry __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Dec 13 09:38:32 2000 eBDFcVG21210 0800 Subject: Re: Warra v-block Gerald Johnson wrote: HarryJon Longs' phonne number was posted would you mindforwarding StevenBergers'. Steven Berger can be reached at 706 Darnoch Drive, AnnArbor, MI 48103.His work phone is 248-559-3880. Home phone is734-669-8024. Tell Steven "Hello" for me. Hope this helps,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from Dennishigham@cs.com Wed Dec 13 09:40:05 2000 eBDFe4G21422 Subject: Re: Hi Everybody Terry-Welcome back! Dennis from grau@buchlang.com Wed Dec 13 11:16:06 2000 eBDHG5G25113 +0100 Subject: Wrapping Cork Grip This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C0652D.AB73CA80 List How can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the blank without using a =winding chek - turning the grip flush with the blank, then using silk =wrapped from the blank up to the grip? Regards & Thanks Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C0652D.AB73CA80 List How can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the = without using a winding chek - turning the grip flush with the blank, = silk wrapped from the blank up to the grip? Regards & Thanks Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C0652D.AB73CA80-- from Canerods@aol.com Wed Dec 13 11:31:42 2000 eBDHVfG25711 Subject: Re: Hi Everybody rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Terry, Yes, we've missed you and have only had AJ Thramer to fill in for you. He's not half as much fun. Hope you're recovering A-OK from the well-respected Canadian heathcare system. (said tongue-in-cheek) Don Burns from Grhghlndr@aol.com Wed Dec 13 12:00:04 2000 eBDHxxG26583 Subject: Re: Hi Everybody rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Terry,Welcome back without you the list has been kinda dull. Maybe you can enlighten us with some new ideas you may have.Bret from Shadow356_us@hotmail.com Wed Dec 13 12:38:33 2000 eBDIcWG27481 Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:38:29 -0800 Subject: test =_NextPart_000_001F_01C06509.F4453060" FILETIME=[E34F0CC0:01C06533] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C06509.F4453060 test ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C06509.F4453060 test ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C06509.F4453060-- from jvswan@earthlink.net Wed Dec 13 12:38:45 2000 eBDIciG27499 (63.230.1.67) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022Subject: Re: Wrapping Cork Grip This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does notunderstandthis format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3059552431_752277_MIME_Part Stefan, The easiest way is to turn the grip flush to the blank, or you can use agraphite trick of making a simple winding check with a ring of five minuteepoxy. Either way, you need to keep the angle of the taper fairly low sothat the thread will build up the cork smoothly, without overlapping. Onething I do is to keep the thread tension fairly low so that the tensiondevice is not always pulling the thread back as it wraps up the cork. Toomuch tension pulling back on the thread can cause the whole thing tocollapse into a pile of junk. In fact, the steeper the angle of the taperon the cork, the less you need tension. Just use your fingers to make upwhatever tension you need to keep the wraps in place. Finally, tape thethread at the top of the wrap to the cork to hold the tension until it hasbeen finished with varnish, or whatever, then you can neatly trim the threadaway with a razor. If you want to make a check with epoxy, you simply apply a small glob ofepoxy to the rod about 1 1/2 to 2 cm away from the cork and turn the rod inyour hands while the epoxy is still fluid until there is a ring all the wayaround the rod, then tilt the rod so the ring starts to flow toward thegrip. Keep it turning and tilting until you have a conical epoxy check thatcan be wrapped when cured. Be careful, though, if the epoxy is still soft,the threads will "sink" into the epoxy and leave gaps or make it reallydifficult if you need to start over. Good luck, Jason Swan Subject: Wrapping Cork Grip List How can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the blank without using awinding chek - turning the grip flush with the blank, then using silkwrapped from the blank up to the grip? Regards & Thanks Stefan --MS_Mac_OE_3059552431_752277_MIME_Part Re: Wrapping Cork Grip Stefan, The easiest way is to turn the grip flush to the blank, or you can use a gr=aphite trick of making a simple winding check with a ring of five minute epo= One thing I do is to keep the thread tension fairly low so that the tension = Too much tension pulling back on the thread can cause the whole thing tocol= make= e the thread at the top of the wrap to the cork to hold the tension until it=has been finished with varnish, or whatever, then you can neatly trim the t=hread away with a razor. If you want to make a check with epoxy, you simply apply a small glob of ep=oxy to the rod about 1 1/2 to 2 cm away from the cork and turn the rod inyo=ur hands while the epoxy is still fluid until there is a ring all the way ar=ound the rod, then tilt the rod so the ring starts to flow toward the grip. = oft, the threads will "sink" into the epoxy and leave gaps ormake=it really difficult if you need to start over. Good luck, Jason Swan Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:53:59 +0100 Subject: Wrapping Cork Grip List How can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the blankwith=out using a winding chek - turning the grip flush with the blank, then using=silk wrapped from the blank up to the grip? Regards & Thanks Stefan --MS_Mac_OE_3059552431_752277_MIME_Part-- from gjm80301@yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 12:48:39 2000 eBDImcG28086 2000 10:48:39 PST Subject: Re: Wrapping Cork Grip I'm not sure if this is the same thing, but on graphite rods, I usedto put a layer of epoxy ON THE CORK (just the tip) , let it dry andthen wrap from the rod right up on the epoxy. The effect is similarto what Orvis does. If you don't epoxy the cork, the thread willsink in badly and not be adjustable at all. Jerry --- Jason Swan wrote:Stefan, The easiest way is to turn the grip flush to the blank, or you canuse agraphite trick of making a simple winding check with a ring of fiveminuteepoxy. Either way, you need to keep the angle of the taper fairlylow sothat the thread will build up the cork smoothly, withoutoverlapping. Onething I do is to keep the thread tension fairly low so that thetensiondevice is not always pulling the thread back as it wraps up thecork. Toomuch tension pulling back on the thread can cause the whole thingtocollapse into a pile of junk. In fact, the steeper the angle ofthe taperon the cork, the less you need tension. Just use your fingers tomake upwhatever tension you need to keep the wraps in place. Finally,tape thethread at the top of the wrap to the cork to hold the tension untilit hasbeen finished with varnish, or whatever, then you can neatly trimthe threadaway with a razor. If you want to make a check with epoxy, you simply apply a smallglob ofepoxy to the rod about 1 1/2 to 2 cm away from the cork and turnthe rod inyour hands while the epoxy is still fluid until there is a ring allthe wayaround the rod, then tilt the rod so the ring starts to flow towardthegrip. Keep it turning and tilting until you have a conical epoxycheck thatcan be wrapped when cured. Be careful, though, if the epoxy isstill soft,the threads will "sink" into the epoxy and leave gaps or make itreallydifficult if you need to start over. Good luck, Jason Swan From: "Stefan Grau" Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:53:59 +0100 Subject: Wrapping Cork Grip List How can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the blank withoutusing awinding chek - turning the grip flush with the blank, then usingsilkwrapped from the blank up to the grip? Regards & Thanks Stefan Subject: Re: Wrapping Cork Grip Stefan,I don't advise it. The cork grip will "work" during casting and the wrap willopen.Ernie ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Wrapping Cork Grip List How can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the blank without using awindingchek - turning the grip flush with the blank, then using silk wrapped from theblank up to the grip? Regards & Thanks Stefan from if6were9@bellsouth.net Wed Dec 13 13:48:29 2000 eBDJmSG00353 Subject: Re: Wrapping Cork Grip --------------05FF128C741574930C80829A What you are wanting to do is (was) a fairly common detail on trollingrods. On these rods, a very tiny step (about the depth of the threadthickness plus a bit extra to allow for finish) is let into the grip upto the point where you want the thread to end. Next, build up thread infront of the grip until it's flush with the end of the cork. You mustmake a smooth transition in this buildup for it to look right. Once youhave the thread built up flush with the end of the grip, make a finalwrap, start ahead of the thread on the rod and finish at the end of thestep in the cork. Finish with a thin epoxy and turn until it sets.Keep in mind, the smaller the end of the cork, the shorter the overallthread wrap will be. If you use fine wrapping thread, it will take alot of thread, I've never done it with thread any smaller than a(Gudebrod) "E" thread.On smaller rods, a simple open diamond wrap of 3 to 5 threads and 3 or 4diamonds ahead of the grip with the front lock tag also holding thehookkeep is a nice touch. If you like the look of the thread up on thecork, try to find an old black rubber hostel that can be fitted over theend of the cork. Use a black NCP thread to build a smooth transition from the front of the hostel to the rod and finish with epoxy. If youuse plain black thread it will turn a grayish color when epoxy isapplied, and you must use a flexible epoxy for either the thread only,or the thread/hostel. Any other finish will allow the thread toseparate when flexed.I would think long and hard about doing this to a fly rod as it can addquite a bit of weight, no big deal on an unlimited trolling rod that isgoing to ride in a gimbal most of the time, but when you must work therod all day it could become a problem. Stefan Grau wrote: List How can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the blank withoutusing a winding chek - turning the grip flush with the blank, thenusing silk wrapped from the blank up to the grip? Regards &Thanks Stefan --------------05FF128C741574930C80829A What you are wanting to do is (was) a fairly common detail on trolling thickness plus a bit extra to allow for finish) is let into the grip up Once you have the thread built up flush with the end of the grip, makea final wrap, start ahead of the thread on the rod and finish at the end it sets.Keep in mind, the smaller the end of the cork, the shorter the overall a lot of thread, I've never done it with thread any smaller than a (Gudebrod)"E" thread.On smaller rods, a simple open diamond wrap of 3 to 5 threads and 3or 4 diamonds ahead of the grip with the front lock tag also holding the the cork, try to find an old black rubber hostel that can be fitted over transition you use plain black thread it will turn a grayish color when epoxy is applied,and you must use a flexible epoxy for either the thread only, or the Any other finish will allow the thread to separate when flexed.I would think long and hard about doing this to a fly rod as it canadd quite a bit of weight, no big deal on an unlimited trolling rod thatis going to ride in a gimbal most of the time, but when you must work therod all day it could become a problem.Stefan Grau wrote: can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the blank without using a windingchek - turning the grip flush with the blank, then using silk wrapped from --------------05FF128C741574930C80829A-- from Shadow356_us@hotmail.com Wed Dec 13 14:11:10 2000 eBDKB9G01188 Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:11:06 -0800 Subject: Francis Degere (Digger) Tapers =_NextPart_000_0019_01C06516.E490E1C0" FILETIME=[D3858870:01C06540] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C06516.E490E1C0 Does anyone know where I can get any Francis Degere (Digger) tapers =other than the one listed in the taper archives? I searched the list =archives to no avail. Charles Marcak ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C06516.E490E1C0 Does anyone know where I can get any =Francis Degere (Digger) tapers other than the one listed in the = archives? I searched the list archives to no avail. Charles =Marcak ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C06516.E490E1C0-- from fiveside@net-gate.com Wed Dec 13 15:05:44 2000 eBDL5hG02850 Subject: Re: Wrapping Cork Grip List How can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the blank without using awinding chek - turning the grip flush with the blank, then using silkwrapped from the blank up to the grip? Regards & Thanks Stefan Hi Stefan,This sounds like the more-or-less standard Garrison approach shown in THEBOOK, page 168. Since I'm sort of a Garrison fan I use it on most of myrods. If I can do it , it must be pretty easy. Just keep the cork grip angleto the cane fairly shallow. It seems neater than a winding check,particularly on 5 and 4 siders. Bill from hexagon@odyssee.net Wed Dec 13 15:08:32 2000 eBDL8VG03015 Subject: Re: Hi Everybody Thanks Brian,my silhouette appears to be the same and I seem to be able to hold the samevolume of beer.I had no choice with the anesthetic, they put me out. Perhaps I looked toofragile?The surgeon said the op was successful. I got 6 weeks of work and the wifeisshovelling the snow, how bad can that be?I am really touched by all kindness from the list. Hmm, I wonder how long itwill last?Shit, I get this pain when I laugh sitting upright.Terry brian sturrock wrote: Hi TerryI hope your Velcro holds up(Terry had a tummy tuck and he is now knownasTerry the Svelte) .Did you go for the epidural or general aneathesic ??Cheers Brian ----- Original Message -----From: "T. Ackland" Sent: December 13, 2000 9:26 AMSubject: Hi Everybody I have just had minor surgery and must not do anything too physical, itis freezing cold out and there are pledge drives on the telly, so I havedecided to see what is happening on rodmakers.Terry from mep@mint.net Wed Dec 13 15:52:59 2000 eBDLqsG04458 Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:52:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Wrapping Cork Grip --------------12BF44D34009111B0405C40B I've been finishing the few rods I make like this for some time now.I always start wrapping form the grip and then allow the wrap tocontinue on to the blank. It works best if the end of the blank is nottoo steep as it meets the rod.I have some "button thread" size silk that I use only for this purpose,the heavier size thread works better but I have used the finer stuff. You can put enough pressure on the silk to make the cork "lie down" to acertain extent if you need to. Mike Stefan Grau wrote: List How can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the blank withoutusing a winding chek - turning the grip flush with the blank, thenusing silk wrapped from the blank up to the grip? Regards &Thanks Stefan --------------12BF44D34009111B0405C40B I've been finishing the few rods I make like this for some time now.I always start wrapping form the grip and then allow the wrap tocontinueon to the blank. It works best if the end of the blank is not too steepas it meets the rod.I have some "button thread" size silk that I use only for this purpose,the heavier size thread works better but I have used the finer stuff.You can put enough pressure on the silk to make the cork "lie down"to a certain extent if you need to.Mike Stefan Grau wrote: can i wrap the tip of a cork grip down to the blank without using a windingchek - turning the grip flush with the blank, then using silk wrapped from --------------12BF44D34009111B0405C40B-- from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Wed Dec 13 17:23:20 2000 eBDNNJG06379 VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) Subject: RE: Hi Everybody Shit, I get this pain when I laugh sitting upright. Let's get down to the nitty gritty, Terry, and pick up where we left offmonths ago: Tell us about your beveller. (yuk yuk) Richard from hexagon@odyssee.net Wed Dec 13 20:15:23 2000 eBE2FHG09052 Subject: Re: Hi Everybody Richard,I have just been checking out the lathes on e-bay, I am sure the stuff hasbeen on bed of the Atlantic since WW2.My beveller, well, I left the list to concentrate on an idea I had forsomething that was a little more advanced than a Dickerson copy. I wantedtoproduce 2 rods from 1 culm as in hand planing which makes it impossible toproduce any scrap. I knew that Gink was having big problems and scrappedmany strips on the final pass, which must be frustrating!Rather that have problems at the end I decided to create the problems atthestart and decided to build a beveller that would cut a strip to the smallestdimension for the complete length, this, I hoped would preventdissapointments ahead. After building the beveller and investigatingdifferent cutter geometries and feeds, the first strip off measured .032andwas 4ft long which I sent to Mr.G, he was really interested but I let theanswering machine take the calls. My second strip measured .025 X 4ftwhichI sent off to Len Codella. He run an indicator down it and said it waswithin .0005 over the whole length. Remember these are 60deg strips.I set up for producing some real strips and built 7 sets of 2 tip blankswithout any scrap which was pleasing. I had a few problems, the biggest onebeing dust which really affected my chest, and noise which drove the wholehouse crazy. I left the project alone for the summer and started up again inthe fall.I decided to rebuild my whole beveller with more powerful motors andenclosing the cutting area in a soundproof box with a vacuum. I also wantedto make the process a little more "automatic" so that once a strip is inplace and the start button is pressed the vacuum and cutter spindle startsup and once the several passes needed to finish the strip is completed themachine returns to the home position and is turned off.A 4ft length of cane takes x minutes to bevel, that is what it takes, itcannot be speeded up unless one is prepared to accept some scrap. My aim isto time the beveller so that it finishes a strip in the same time that ittakes me to do the node work so by the time I have straightened a strip Ican take the previous one from the beveller. I still have experimentation todo because I can change the feed rate proportionally towards the tip.I have read postings in the archives on how fast some of the guys can makerods with the hand mill and they are probably faster than my a beveller, ifthey are being honest?My beveller will not allow me to saturate the market, it will just make itpossible, if I so wish, to make a career in rodmaking and expect areasonable standard of living and no "blood on the cane". A beveller(s)does make it possible to get away from the one man shop and employworkers,which is how profits are made if there is a market? Actually, I would bequite happy just making blanks, I love that work.Just waiting for Ginkle's cane to come on the market, just a matter of time. Terry Richard Nantel wrote: Shit, I get this pain when I laugh sitting upright. Let's get down to the nitty gritty, Terry, and pick up where we left offmonths ago: Tell us about your beveller. (yuk yuk) Richard from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 20:49:49 2000 eBE2nmG09461 2000 18:49:42 PST Subject: Re: Francis Degere (Digger) Tapers i would be intrested also in seeing some of histapers. timothy --- Charles Marcak wrote:Does anyone know where I can get any Francis Degere(Digger) tapers other than the one listed in thetaper archives? I searched the list archives to noavail. Charles Marcak ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from fquinchat@locl.net Wed Dec 13 20:57:31 2000 eBE2vUG09716 Subject: Tipping Wraps This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C06548.F8AFDEE0 Thanks to all who responded with ideas. I've tested most of the =suggestions and am getting the most crisp tipping by using a laundry =marking pen. Dennis Bertram ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C06548.F8AFDEE0 Thanks to all who responded with= I've tested most of the suggestions and am getting the most crisp = using a laundry marking pen. Dennis =Bertram ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C06548.F8AFDEE0-- from HomeyDKlown@att.net Thu Dec 14 06:44:57 2000 eBECiuG15405 ;Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:44:47 +0000 Subject: Re: Francis Degere (Digger) Tapers I think the man to talk to is Fred Moran. Unfortunately, I don't havean email address for him, nor do I have his snail address. I got to talk with Fred and cast some of Digger's rods at the CatskillsGathering this year. I think if you were to ask him he would let youhave the tapers with one condition attached. I remember him saying thathe wouldn't want them distributed to "the world", but if a few rodmakerswho appreciate Digger's tapers were interested in them, he would givethem out. Does anyone on the list know how to get in touch with Fred? Thanks, Dennis timothy troester wrote: i would be intrested also in seeing some of histapers. timothy --- Charles Marcak wrote:Does anyone know where I can get any Francis Degere(Digger) tapers other than the one listed in thetaper archives? I searched the list archives to noavail. Charles Marcak ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Thu Dec 14 08:45:16 2000 eBEEjFG17508 VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) Subject: RE: Hi Everybody the biggest onebeing dust which really affected my chest, and noise whichdrove the wholehouse crazy. I certainly understand what you mean about the noise. I called you once andyour wife answered. It sounded as if the space shuttle was taking off inyour basement. Perhaps you should build a workshop in the backyard andhaveyour family live in there. That way, they wouldn't be bothered by the noise from your basement. quite happy just making blanks, I love that work. Wrapping rods isn't brain surgery so I'm sure you could find someone to dothat part well and inexpensively. Perhaps visit craft fairs and approachthe old women who knit. They are often meticulous and would appreciate theextra work. My mother-in-law is in Beaconsfield right next to you and wouldjump on the chance to do this. Since we have a resident beveller expert back on the list I have a coupleof questions: 1. I'm planning to build a Millward or Medved style beveller this winter. Ihave a good variable speed router so really only need some odds and ends tocomplete it. I'm doing this not to speed up production but rather to getreally really good angles. I'll also be happy to get the strips within,say, .015" or so. I don't mind some final hand planing and in fact enjoyit. Question 1: do you think decent strips can be made feeding the carriage the strip? 2. Should the router be set to high speed or low speed for this? I'll ofcourse do tests with all speeds but have never used a router on canebefore. 3. Are plain straight router bits fine for this or do I need to get somehigh- end carbide ones? Thanks in advance. Richard from rgreen@ric.edu Thu Dec 14 13:25:24 2000 eBEJPNG25551 Subject: Quadrate Specs Hello All, I am in need of information about an Edwards Quadrate so that I mightrestore it properly. I am a rodmaker wannabe with very little experiencein this area but with a strong desire to try my hand at it. In themeantime I have recently bought a 9 1/2 foot Quadrate that is in prettypoor condition. Preserving it as is doesn't seem to be worthwhile, so Ithought I should attempt restoration. However, I need to know the originalspecifications regarding the wraps and the hook keeper. The wraps are allloose, and the varnish is coming off. The cane and the ferrules seem to beOK. There is no number on the rod, but I think it is a 66 because there isa female ferrule in the but that looks like it might be the recepticle fora fighting but??? Can anybody point me in the right direction for theinformation I need? Does Kirkfield's book discuss this rod? Thanks,Dick Greenrgreen@ric.edu from saltwein@worldnet.att.net Thu Dec 14 15:13:05 2000 eBELD5G00379 +0000 Subject: Re: Weldwood Resorcinol John, I recently bought one pint of liquid with a five ounce can of drycatalyst at my local True Value hardware store. They have a contractorthat uses it and keep it on hand locally. It was originally priced at$16.99 and I picked it up for 11.05. They acted as though it were no bigdeal to get in small quantities. Regards, SteveIndependence, MO "J. C. Zimny" wrote: To Bob et al,It would be good if some of you could list sources of supply of thisvery important adhesive.I don't any of my fellow list members would object to someone listinga few places that sell it in small quantities. My local hardwarestores don't carry it. from anglport@con2.com Thu Dec 14 15:22:23 2000 eBELMNG00912 Subject: Re: Quadrate Specs Dick,I just leafed through Kirkfield's book and it doesn't seem to have specs and doesn't mention whether they're 4- or 6-siders. Since he DID say theyweren't much, I don't think there's much there either to help you anyway(probably not up to normal Edwards' normal quality).He said Edwards was probably unhappy with the quality since he severedhisname from them.Art At 02:25 PM 12/14/2000 -0500, Richard Green wrote:Hello All, I am in need of information about an Edwards Quadrate so that I mightrestore it properly. I am a rodmaker wannabe with very little experiencein this area but with a strong desire to try my hand at it. In themeantime I have recently bought a 9 1/2 foot Quadrate that is in prettypoor condition. Preserving it as is doesn't seem to be worthwhile, so Ithought I should attempt restoration. However, I need to know the originalspecifications regarding the wraps and the hook keeper. The wraps are allloose, and the varnish is coming off. The cane and the ferrules seem to beOK. There is no number on the rod, but I think it is a 66 because there isa female ferrule in the but that looks like it might be the recepticle fora fighting but??? Can anybody point me in the right direction for theinformation I need? Does Kirkfield's book discuss this rod? Thanks,Dick Greenrgreen@ric.edu from dmanders@telusplanet.net Thu Dec 14 16:57:40 2000 [199.185.220.239] (may be forged)) eBEMvYG04259 hme0.telusplanet.net Subject: The much maligned 60 1/2 Guys, Over the past several years I watched a number of folks post about the 601/2. Some builders like them, most don't. Some even use them for paperweights.Over the past 17 years I've used a Stanley 60 1/2 to hog off large amountsof the cane strip while rough planing. Sharpened to a 33 degree angle, itaccomplished the feat quite quickly but occasionally with tear-outs atnodes not completely straight. Now that is not necessarily a bad thing.Makes you return to the heat source and get the strip straight. Still, Iwas happy with what the Stanley did.During the past month, I ordered a Lee Valley 60 1/2 realizing that itmight not be the finishing plane of choice. When it arrived, I was morethan pleasantly pleased. The only tune-up required was to remove a veryslight burr that existed @ the mouth of the sole where the blade exits. Thesole was flat and true. The blade was also sharp enough for most wood workbut needed further sharpening for cane. Recalling a conversation I had withTed Knott, I sharpened the plane blade to 45 degrees and put it to work.Not only did it do a credible job of removing large amounts of material butset @ finer cuts, it finished a strip quickly and without tear- out orproblems. The weight of this plane is something else. It weighs perhaps 30%more than the Stanley & Record 9 1/2's and probably 50% more than theStanley 60 1/2 planes. The finish was good>great with a large bladetightening nut unlike the recent outputs from both Stanley and Record. Theonly place where it falls down slightly is the register. The register toadvance the blade functions similarly to both of the recent Record andStanley plane designs. Adjustment is not nearly as fine as can beaccomplished with the previous Stanley and Record planes where a fulcrumcontrolled by a up/down adjustment nut rather than a push screw was used.But with care, shavings of 0.002 were possible. The blade is 0.125" thickunlike the Stanley and Record planes where the blade is 0.085". This notonly reduces chatter but reduces the possibility of the blade flexing away from the work. The sole on the Lee Valley 60 1/2 measures 2.006 W *6.375"L whereas the Stanley 60 1/2 measures 1.733 * 6.00". The wider sole + thefinger indents on both sides of the plane made keeping the plane level tothe form considerably easier. Another interesting feature is the bladealignment screws on both sides of the blade to keep the blade where you setit. Makes installation of the blade a tad slower due to "0" slop where theblade contacts the plane. This is certainly unlike the Stanley and Recordplanes where blade slop makes controlling the side>side angle of the bladea tougher business requiring rolling the plane sole upward and adjustingthe blade under a strong light.I sharpen the Stanley 60 1/2 to 33 degrees making the overall approachangle of the blade to the cane at 45 degrees. The Lee Valley was sharpenedto 45 degrees making its approach angle 57 degrees. The Record 9 1/2 issharpened to 38 degrees making its approach angle 58 degrees. Theseangleswere checked on my Starrett protractor and include a 2 degree micro-bevel.Unfortunately, some plane blade sharpening holders will not hold a planeangle that steep, so I was forced to use the Lee Valley blade holder [whichis by the way a great tool as well ].So, for those builders that want/need/deserve a Xmas present tothemselves,I would suggest that they put out some bucks for the new Lee Valley 60 1/2.Now, I own a few cane planes, 2 Stanley 60 1/2's, 2 Record 9 1/2's, 1Stanley 9 1/2 & 1 Record 9 /12 c/w training wheels + a Lee Neilson scraper+ a German made scraper + a wood sole Gents plane. For my money, the LeeValley is better looking, better finished, uses better blades and just isgenerally a better plane overall. Mind you it is a tad more expensive $128.00 CDN, I think whereas the Record 9 1/2 is about $ 60.00 CDN.And I wished I owned the company. I would be proud to put out work this good. catch ya' Donhttp://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from HomeyDKlown@att.net Thu Dec 14 17:23:02 2000 eBENN2G05203 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Francis Degere (Digger) Tapers] Listfolks, I don't recall seeing this on either of the email addresses that Ireceive the list on. If this is a repeat I apologize. Dennis Dennis Haftel wrote: I think the man to talk to is Fred Moran. Unfortunately, I don't havean email address for him, nor do I have his snail address. I got to talk with Fred and cast some of Digger's rods at the CatskillsGathering this year. I think if you were to ask him he would let youhave the tapers with one condition attached. I remember him saying thathe wouldn't want them distributed to "the world", but if a few rodmakerswho appreciate Digger's tapers were interested in them, he would givethem out. Does anyone on the list know how to get in touch with Fred? Thanks, Dennis timothy troester wrote: i would be intrested also in seeing some of histapers. timothy --- Charles Marcak wrote:Does anyone know where I can get any Francis Degere(Digger) tapers other than the one listed in thetaper archives? I searched the list archives to noavail. Charles Marcak ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from caneman@clnk.com Thu Dec 14 17:36:02 2000 eBENa1G05655 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:36:00 -0600 Subject: Best payment I've ever received! List,This is very loosely connected to rodmaking, but I just had to postabout it.I just received payment for one of my rods from a customer. It is ahand painted Lithograph by Michael Simons, the artist who painted the muralon the wall at the International Flyfishing Museum. If none of you haveever been there, but have been to Livingston, you can see Mikes work hangingin the Lounge at the Murray, and in most fly shops in town. He is a greatartist and a kind and pleasurable gentleman. Many of you have seen his workand not realized it... he has designed Logos for more than a few rodmakersand a couple of popular rodmaker's suppliers that I KNOW many of us dealwith (won't say any names)...If I ever get that damn shop finished, this will be the decoration thatgraces the office wall. Well, it will almost BE the office wall. Framed,it measures 50" wide by 40" tall.Don't get this email wrong, I'm not trying to promote Michael Simons, Ijust came online to brag a little bit... off to VFS chat to strut about mynew wallhanger... that is after I go back to the living room and admire thisthing hanging on the wall for a few more minutes!Oh, for those of you that have been in the Murray Hotel Lounge inLivingston, MT, the piece I got is a hand painted Litho of the VERY LARGE"Bull Trout" work that Michael has hanging in there. Even though mine is#32 of 40, Michael was gracious enough to paint mine as a brown troutinstead of a Bull Trout, so it is definitely one of a kind! Later,Bob from bob@downandacross.com Thu Dec 14 17:40:04 2000 eBENe3G05806 Subject: Re: subscribe Ok. You are now on the list. Thanks for your interest.Bob Maulucci At 10:34 PM 12/13/00 -0600, you wrote:put me on your list..thanks dick from JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Thu Dec 14 18:05:59 2000 eBF05wG06627 ;Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:05:53 +0000 Subject: Re: Francis Degere (Digger) Tapers] Fred Moran:Points North OutfittersRt. 8North Adams, MA 01220 413-743-4030Jack ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [Fwd: Francis Degere (Digger) Tapers] Listfolks, I don't recall seeing this on either of the email addresses that Ireceive the list on. If this is a repeat I apologize. Dennis Dennis Haftel wrote: I think the man to talk to is Fred Moran. Unfortunately, I don't havean email address for him, nor do I have his snail address. I got to talk with Fred and cast some of Digger's rods at the CatskillsGathering this year. I think if you were to ask him he would let youhave the tapers with one condition attached. I remember him saying thathe wouldn't want them distributed to "the world", but if a few rodmakerswho appreciate Digger's tapers were interested in them, he would givethem out. Does anyone on the list know how to get in touch with Fred? Thanks, Dennis timothy troester wrote: i would be intrested also in seeing some of histapers. timothy --- Charles Marcak wrote:Does anyone know where I can get any Francis Degere(Digger) tapers other than the one listed in thetaper archives? I searched the list archives to noavail. Charles Marcak ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Thu Dec 14 18:20:48 2000 eBF0KlG06981 eBF0KeM27900; Subject: Re: Francis Degere (Digger) Tapers] I'm not sure who needs to get in touch with Fred but I have his emailaddress if you want it or can even mail you his business card. Regards, Bobflysupplies@yahoo.comhttp://flysupplies.homepage.com/ On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Jacques Follweiler wrote: Fred Moran:Points North OutfittersRt. 8North Adams, MA 01220 413-743-4030Jack from bob@downandacross.com Thu Dec 14 18:25:41 2000 eBF0PfG07179 Subject: The one that got away Hi All:Please disregard a message from me earlier that said "Ok. You are now on the list. Thanks for your interest." I was responding to someone and somehow it was "CC'd" to Rodmakers. I have not added anyone to any list, except those who asked. I apologize stinks too, and I would not subject any of you to it.Sincerely,Bob Bob Mauluccibob@downandacross.com from hexagon@odyssee.net Thu Dec 14 19:39:42 2000 eBF1dgG08454 Subject: Re: Hi Everybody Richard,my beveller, well, I left the list to concentrate on an idea I had forsomething that was a little more advanced than a Dickerson copy. Iwanted toproduce 2 rods from 1 culm as in hand planing which makes it impossibletoproduce any scrap. I knew that Gink was having big problems and scrappedmany strips on the final pass, which must be frustrating!Rather that have problems at the end I decided to create the problems atthestart and decided to build a beveller that would cut a strip to thesmallestdimension for the complete length, this, I hoped would preventdisappointments ahead. After building the beveller and investigatingdifferent cutter geometries and feeds, the first strip off measured .032andwas 4ft long which I sent to Mr.G, he was really interested but I lettheanswering machine take the calls. My second strip measured .025 X 4ftwhichI sent off to Len Codella. He run an indicator down it and said it waswithin .0005 over the whole length. Remember these are 60deg strips.I set up for producing some real strips and built 7 sets of 2 tip blankswithout any scrap which was pleasing. I had a few problems, the biggestonebeing dust which really affected my chest, and noise which drove thewholehouse crazy. I left the project alone for the summer and started upagain inthe fall.I decided to rebuild my whole beveller with more powerful motors andenclosing the cutting area in a soundproof box with a vacuum. I alsowantedto make the process a little more "automatic" so that once a strip is inplace and the start button is pressed the vacuum and cutter spindlestartsup and once the several passes needed to finish the strip is completedthemachine returns to the home position and is turned off.A 4ft length of cane takes x minutes to bevel, that is what it takes, itcannot be speeded up unless one is prepared to accept some scrap. My aimisto time the beveller so that it finishes a strip in the same time thatittakes me to do the node work so by the time I have straightened a stripIcan take the previous one from the beveller. I still haveexperimentation todo because I can change the feed rate proportionally towards the tip.I have read postings in the archives on how fast some of the guys canmakerods with the hand mill and they are probably faster than my a beveller,ifthey are being honest?My beveller will not allow me to saturate the market, it will just makeitpossible, if I so wish, to make a career in rodmaking and expect areasonable standard of living. A beveller(s)does make it possible togetaway from the one man shop and break rodmaking into simple tasks andemployworkers, which is how profits are made if there is a market? Actually,I would bequite happy just making blanks, I love that work.Just waiting for Ginkle's cane to come on the market, just a matter oftime. Terry Richard Nantel wrote: Shit, I get this pain when I laugh sitting upright. Let's get down to the nitty gritty, Terry, and pick up where we left offmonths ago: Tell us about your beveller. (yuk yuk) Richard from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Thu Dec 14 19:50:18 2000 eBF1oGG08746 VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) 14 Dec 2000 20:50:03 -0500 Subject: RE: Hi Everybody terry, the biggest onebeing dust which really affected my chest, and noise whichdrove the wholehouse crazy. I certainly understand what you mean about the noise. I called you once andyour wife answered. It sounded as if the space shuttle was taking off inyour basement. Perhaps you should build a workshop in the backyard andhaveyour family live in there. That way, they wouldn't be bothered by the noise from your basement. quite happy just making blanks, I love that work. Wrapping rods isn't brain surgery so I'm sure you could find someone to dothat part well and inexpensively. Perhaps visit craft fairs and approachthe old women who knit. They are often meticulous and would appreciate theextra work. My mother-in-law is in Beaconsfield right next to you and wouldjump on the chance to do this. Since we have a resident beveller expert back on the list I have a coupleof questions: 1. I'm planning to build a Millward or Medved style beveller this winter. Ihave a good variable speed router so really only need some odds and ends tocomplete it. I'm doing this not to speed up production but rather to getreally really good angles. I'll also be happy to get the strips within,say, .015" or so. I don't mind some final hand planing and in fact enjoyit. Question 1: do you think decent strips can be made feeding the carriage the strip? 2. Should the router be set to high speed or low speed for this? I'll ofcourse do tests with all speeds but have never used a router on canebefore. 3. Are plain straight router bits fine for this or do I need to get somehigh- end carbide ones? Thanks in advance. Richard from eharrison241@earthlink.net Thu Dec 14 21:16:39 2000 eBF3GdG10136 TAA12654 Subject: Re: Hi Everybody Terry,Sounds interesting, have you considered going into the beveller market?Ernie Richard,my beveller, well, I left the list to concentrate on an idea I had forsomething that was a little more advanced than a Dickerson copy. Iwanted toproduce 2 rods from 1 culm as in hand planing which makes it impossibletoproduce any scrap. I knew that Gink was having big problems and scrappedmany strips on the final pass, which must be frustrating!Rather that have problems at the end I decided to create the problems atthestart and decided to build a beveller that would cut a strip to thesmallestdimension for the complete length, this, I hoped would preventdisappointments ahead. After building the beveller and investigatingdifferent cutter geometries and feeds, the first strip off measured .032andwas 4ft long which I sent to Mr.G, he was really interested but I lettheanswering machine take the calls. My second strip measured .025 X 4ftwhichI sent off to Len Codella. He run an indicator down it and said it waswithin .0005 over the whole length. Remember these are 60deg strips.I set up for producing some real strips and built 7 sets of 2 tip blankswithout any scrap which was pleasing. I had a few problems, the biggestonebeing dust which really affected my chest, and noise which drove thewholehouse crazy. I left the project alone for the summer and started upagain inthe fall.I decided to rebuild my whole beveller with more powerful motors andenclosing the cutting area in a soundproof box with a vacuum. I alsowantedto make the process a little more "automatic" so that once a strip is inplace and the start button is pressed the vacuum and cutter spindlestartsup and once the several passes needed to finish the strip is completedthemachine returns to the home position and is turned off.A 4ft length of cane takes x minutes to bevel, that is what it takes, itcannot be speeded up unless one is prepared to accept some scrap. My aimisto time the beveller so that it finishes a strip in the same time thatittakes me to do the node work so by the time I have straightened a stripIcan take the previous one from the beveller. I still haveexperimentation todo because I can change the feed rate proportionally towards the tip.I have read postings in the archives on how fast some of the guys canmakerods with the hand mill and they are probably faster than my a beveller,ifthey are being honest?My beveller will not allow me to saturate the market, it will just makeitpossible, if I so wish, to make a career in rodmaking and expect areasonable standard of living. A beveller(s)does make it possible togetaway from the one man shop and break rodmaking into simple tasks andemployworkers, which is how profits are made if there is a market? Actually,I would bequite happy just making blanks, I love that work.> Just waiting for Ginkle'scane to come on the market, just a matter oftime. Terry from timklein@uswest.net Thu Dec 14 22:35:55 2000 eBF4ZsG11115 (63.225.127.169) Subject: Re: Hi Everybody 1. I'm planning to build a Millward or Medved style beveller thiswinter... Where do you people live? Here in Colorado it already IS winter! (3 or 4 days of below zero whether seems to make me a little cranky...) ---Tim from hexagon@odyssee.net Fri Dec 15 07:50:21 2000 eBFDoKG15110 (may be forged)) Subject: Re: Hi Everybody Richard,I can rember Andy Barr showing me his beveller years ago and he used topushthe rack by hand. He used back to back 30 deg. hss cutters that heresharpenedhimself on his lathe with a tool post grinder. I did not see it running (he hadalready retired ) but I would think the speed he run his cutters at wereslowerthan a router, probably around 3,000 rpm.Terry Richard Nantel wrote: the biggest onebeing dust which really affected my chest, and noise whichdrove the wholehouse crazy. I certainly understand what you mean about the noise. I called you once andyour wife answered. It sounded as if the space shuttle was taking off inyour basement. Perhaps you should build a workshop in the backyard andhaveyour family live in there. That way, they wouldn't be bothered by the noise from your basement. quite happy just making blanks, I love that work. Wrapping rods isn't brain surgery so I'm sure you could find someone to dothat part well and inexpensively. Perhaps visit craft fairs and approachthe old women who knit. They are often meticulous and would appreciatetheextra work. My mother-in-law is in Beaconsfield right next to you and wouldjump on the chance to do this. Since we have a resident beveller expert back on the list I have a coupleof questions: 1. I'm planning to build a Millward or Medved style beveller this winter. Ihave a good variable speed router so really only need some odds and endstocomplete it. I'm doing this not to speed up production but rather to getreally really good angles. I'll also be happy to get the strips within,say, .015" or so. I don't mind some final hand planing and in fact enjoyit. Question 1: do you think decent strips can be made feeding the carriage the strip? 2. Should the router be set to high speed or low speed for this? I'll ofcourse do tests with all speeds but have never used a router on canebefore. 3. Are plain straight router bits fine for this or do I need to get somehigh- end carbide ones? Thanks in advance. Richard from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Fri Dec 15 08:57:22 2000 (may be forged)) eBFEvLG16689 Subject: RE: Hi Everybody Terry -- Fascinating update. I'm glad you're back on the list and grateful for thedirection you're taking with the mill work. Makes great sense from abusiness and a craftsmanship point of view. (I'm not one who thinks there'ssomething wrong with a bamboo shaping machine when a person is alreadyusingmanufactured planes, dial indicators, etc.) You have every right to protectyour inventions but short of premature disclosures I hope you'll keep us upto date. And razz us regularly. Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Hi Everybody Richard,my beveller, well, I left the list to concentrate on an idea I had forsomething that was a little more advanced than a Dickerson copy. Iwanted toproduce 2 rods from 1 culm as in hand planing which makes it impossibletoproduce any scrap. I knew that Gink was having big problems and scrappedmany strips on the final pass, which must be frustrating!Rather that have problems at the end I decided to create the problems atthestart and decided to build a beveller that would cut a strip to thesmallestdimension for the complete length, this, I hoped would preventdisappointments ahead. After building the beveller and investigatingdifferent cutter geometries and feeds, the first strip off measured .032andwas 4ft long which I sent to Mr.G, he was really interested but I lettheanswering machine take the calls. My second strip measured .025 X 4ftwhichI sent off to Len Codella. He run an indicator down it and said it waswithin .0005 over the whole length. Remember these are 60deg strips.I set up for producing some real strips and built 7 sets of 2 tip blankswithout any scrap which was pleasing. I had a few problems, the biggestonebeing dust which really affected my chest, and noise which drove thewholehouse crazy. I left the project alone for the summer and started upagain inthe fall.I decided to rebuild my whole beveller with more powerful motors andenclosing the cutting area in a soundproof box with a vacuum. I alsowantedto make the process a little more "automatic" so that once a strip is inplace and the start button is pressed the vacuum and cutter spindlestartsup and once the several passes needed to finish the strip is completedthemachine returns to the home position and is turned off.A 4ft length of cane takes x minutes to bevel, that is what it takes, itcannot be speeded up unless one is prepared to accept some scrap. My aimisto time the beveller so that it finishes a strip in the same time thatittakes me to do the node work so by the time I have straightened a stripIcan take the previous one from the beveller. I still haveexperimentation todo because I can change the feed rate proportionally towards the tip.I have read postings in the archives on how fast some of the guys canmakerods with the hand mill and they are probably faster than my a beveller,ifthey are being honest?My beveller will not allow me to saturate the market, it will just makeitpossible, if I so wish, to make a career in rodmaking and expect areasonable standard of living. A beveller(s)does make it possible togetaway from the one man shop and break rodmaking into simple tasks andemployworkers, which is how profits are made if there is a market? Actually,I would bequite happy just making blanks, I love that work.Just waiting for Ginkle's cane to come on the market, just a matter oftime. Terry Richard Nantel wrote: Shit, I get this pain when I laugh sitting upright. Let's get down to the nitty gritty, Terry, and pick up where we left offmonths ago: Tell us about your beveller. (yuk yuk) Richard from jerryy@webtv.net Fri Dec 15 11:44:42 2000 eBFHifG22246 (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA09322; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:44:42 - ETAtAhQ4Tu31OjIgVM+Kaiu4YxHHFb83nwIVALY+JmBdDwcH2PICIFRKgsVf4z4j Subject: Rope knurl wheels Have just looked through all the tool catalogs, including Form Tool andtwo other catalogs of people that make nothing but knurls, withoutfinding a forming tool for rope knurls. Can anybody help? TIA Jerry Young from if6were9@bellsouth.net Fri Dec 15 12:54:02 2000 eBFIs1G24356 Subject: For Bamboo Joe If you are still interested in a Jet 9 X 20 for under $1000, please contact meoff list. from rodsupstream@exploremaine.com Fri Dec 15 16:04:43 2000 eBFM4gG29313 0500 Subject: Trim Bands: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C066B7.202F6840 Hi, there was a conversation on using markers for trim bands is this done alot? Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRodmaker ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C066B7.202F6840 Normal0DocumentEmail =0=0 Hi, =there was aconversation on using markers for trim bands is this done a =lot? Signature" Upstream =Always, Tim Doughty Rodmaker ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C066B7.202F6840-- from CALucker@aol.com Fri Dec 15 17:36:32 2000 eBFNaWG01306 Subject: Re: Hi Everybody In a message dated 12/15/00 5:51:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, hexagon@odyssee.net writes: Remember it is surface speed, not RPM that mtters. I run my 2.75 inch cutters, and 3.0 inch cutters at 5750 RPM (3450 motor with 5 inch pulley toa 3 inch pulley on the height-adjustable cutter head). A Porter Cable 690 router with an Amana three wing carbide cutters with both 60 degree and 90 degree configuration multiplied out to about the same surface speed as my mill with the 2.75 inch cutters. I seem to recall that Charlie Jenkins uses 2.0 inch cutters at 9,000 RPM. I have never found the cutter speed to be a touchy variable in designing my mills. There is a pretty wide range that works, and my mills cut finals without amy problem. The hold-downs and the relief of the cutters aremore important.Chris Lucker from Shadow356_us@hotmail.com Fri Dec 15 20:02:52 2000 eBG22pG03146 Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:02:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Rope knurl wheels FILETIME=[49534D20:01C06704] Jerry, Try http://www.eisinger.com . If you don't see it on the web, ask for acatalog. They have them in two different sizes. Charles Marcak ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Rope knurl wheels Have just looked through all the tool catalogs, including Form Tool andtwo other catalogs of people that make nothing but knurls, withoutfinding a forming tool for rope knurls. Can anybody help? TIA Jerry Young from bhoy551@earthlink.net Fri Dec 15 21:32:36 2000 eBG3WaG03996 TAA20889 Subject: strange cheap ferrule Hi all, A gentleman has asked me to make a second tip for a rather shabby 9- foot/three piece rod, which has no great monetary (or fishing) value, but built graphite rods and plans to refinish and rewrap it. Making the tip is no problem, but the ferrule has me stumped. It is very cheap, nickel plated, non-serrated. The male engagement slide is very long, .925" and isn't fitted too well. I suspect the long engagement is to ensure the tip doesn't go flying off even with a sloppy fit. I would call it about a #10, judging from the diameter of the bamboo at the end of the ferrule. My question is, how do you fit such a thing to the blank? Is the male engagement slide hollow, or does the bamboo run all the way up to the tip? If it's hollow, is it possible to have one machined? Trying to locate a used one would be problematic because I wouldn't be sure of the fit to the mid section beforehand. My inclination is to throw the ferrules away and refit super z's. But I'm not sure that's the solution he wants to hear. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. ThanksBill Hoy from channer1@rmi.net Sat Dec 16 01:09:24 2000 eBG79NG05852 Subject: Hello? is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me. from caneman@clnk.com Sat Dec 16 09:17:09 2000 eBGFH8G08144 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:17:03 -0600 Subject: Ice Fishing... DON'T DO THIS!!! Well, maybe that subject, Ice Fishing, isn't completely accurate... WhatI should have said was "fishing while getting peppered by chunks of icefalling from the skies"!Since the list is a little slow during this nationwide cold front/winterstorm we're having, I thought I'd just share my latest fishing adventurewith all of you (would have said "with ya'll", but I get razzed enough aboutmy accent without using it on here!)I went the other day to a really terrible pellet head fishery here, justbefore the ice storms moved in. Of course, it was like any day ofsub-freezing weather, constantly shaking the ice out of your guides,stripping the frozen stuff off of your line. You know it's time for thatwhen you double haul and can only shoot six feet of line and when you do, awhite mist of ice comes off the line as it struggles through the guides.It reminded me of the days I lived in Idaho, and things like this werecommon, so I also remembered another trick I used to use... keep in mindthat saliva, NOT being pure water, and having a higher content of sodium andother such things, will not freeze as quickly as pure water... I used to"spit" on my tip top, and would actually get one or two more casts out of itthat way. Well, thinking that, I decided, hmmmm... if the water in thestream will melt the ice from the tiptop, surely if I just stick it in mymouth for a second, it will do a much quicker and better job. After all, thewater in the river was about 45 to 50 degrees F. and the saliva in my mouthwas a constant 98.6 degrees F. Makes sense, right????Ever stick your tongue to a flagpole when you were a kid??? Well, whenthe temp has dropped to 20 degrees below the dew point on the river in justan hour or so, the same thing will happen if you stick your tiptop to yourlips and tongue. I had my little 6 footer, butt on the ground, hanging frommy mouth, my eyes crossed trying to see what the problem was. Finally, Ifigured out that if I'd cup my hands around my mouth and breathe heavily, itwould release me from my bamboo imprisoner. This took a few minutes, butitdid work...Needless to say, after that, I quickly decided that it was just too damncold to be on the river, packed rod, reel and previously imperiled lips andtongue into the car, shook the ice from my hair (OK, no comments on howsmall an amount of ice that might have been) and promptly returned to thewarmth of my recliner.I sat here for quite some time hesitant to even smoke a cigarette forfear I would have to cup my hands around my face and do thehyperventilationexercise again to get it loose... things like a fly rod being stuck to yourface leave a bit of a temporary psychological impact, ya know... But I'mfine now... smoking again, drinking coffee again, but never, and I meanNEVER again will I try to melt the ice from a tiptop with my mouth.Methinks saliva is better left for non-flyfishing things... and from now on,the water in the river will be fine for melting the ice from my tiptop. Later,Bob from p.h.e@frisurf.no Sat Dec 16 09:22:51 2000 eBGFMoG08190 +0100 (MET) Subject: test This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0677D.0267BDA0 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0677D.0267BDA0 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0677D.0267BDA0-- from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 10:02:52 2000 eBGG2pa08539 2000 08:02:49 PST Subject: test the last email i recieved on the list was on the 13th.i'm wondering if we crashed or i got booted off. timothy ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from newmin@ptdprolog.net Sat Dec 16 10:06:00 2000 eBGG5xa08738 0000 Subject: test or slow? is the list just slow or is that bulge in my modem cable just backed up mail? from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 10:06:16 2000 eBGG6Ga08818 2000 08:06:17 PST Subject: i see that it works -- please ignore! --- timothy troester wrote:the last email i recieved on the list was on the13th.i'm wondering if we crashed or i got booted off. timothy ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions ofProducts.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Dec 16 11:04:37 2000 eBGH4aa09768 Subject: Payne rods List,Does anyone know how to determine which Payne rod you may have in your collection? I have an 8' 3 pc rod that throws a 5 or a 6 with the same ease. A 7 is to heavy and a 4 is to light. This is an older rod and it has an agate stripping guide for a silk line. Anyone?Bret from domenic1@worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 16 12:13:44 2000 eBGIDha10544 ;Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:13:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Payne rods Organization: Croce Rod Company Bret,This could either be a model 201 or 202.The 201 is 3 7/8 to 4 oz. for a 5 weight line .the 202 is 4 1/8 to 4 1/4 oz. for a 6 weight line.I have cast the 201 and I don't think this rod would handle a 6 weight line.it is very light in the tip with a somewhat slower action .A beautiful casting rod with a 4 weight double taper.My best guess would be a model 202.hope this helps. Domenic Croce ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Payne rods List,Does anyone know how to determine which Payne rod you may have in yourcollection? I have an 8' 3 pc rod that throws a 5 or a 6 with the sameease.A 7 is to heavy and a 4 is to light. This is an older rod and it has anagate stripping guide for a silk line. Anyone?Bret from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Dec 16 12:21:44 2000 eBGILia10843 jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca(Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Hi to all, I'm back! Hi everyone! I just got back last night from my extensive retraining opened them up I realized almost 2000 messages were sitting waiting forme! That's just since I was home for the Thanksgiving (Canadian)weekend. Amazing how much action happens here while you are away for 4months!I am home for good now (or at least till the next time the militarysends me away again) so hopefully life will return to "normal" aroundhere. Great to see some of the old familiar names as well as some newones as I look down through the heap of mail.I will probably wade through some of these but most I will dump. Ifany one sent anything specifically to me and got no response or anyoneknows of any major things I missed over the last 4 months, I would loveto hear from you.Once I get my lost luggage (containing 2 wonderful cane rods, reels,and all the other stuff I took with me) back and get straightened outhere I'll pass on some cane experiences I had while away and let youknow how that 3pc 2 wt worked out!Great to be home and amongst friends again, Talk later, Shawn from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Sat Dec 16 14:22:29 2000 eBGKMSa12670 Subject: Re: Payne rods Dear Bret,Having owned the 201, it is definitely not the rod you are describing. Assumeit must be the 202. The 201 is a relatively soft rod. I agree with Domenic, itwas best with a DT4. Rich Colo "Domenic P. Croce" wrote: Bret,This could either be a model 201 or 202.The 201 is 3 7/8 to 4 oz. for a 5 weight line .the 202 is 4 1/8 to 4 1/4 oz. for a 6 weight line.I have cast the 201 and I don't think this rod would handle a 6 weight line.it is very light in the tip with a somewhat slower action .A beautiful casting rod with a 4 weight double taper.My best guess would be a model 202.hope this helps. Domenic Croce ----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 12:04 PMSubject: Payne rods List,Does anyone know how to determine which Payne rod you may have inyourcollection? I have an 8' 3 pc rod that throws a 5 or a 6 with the sameease.A 7 is to heavy and a 4 is to light. This is an older rod and it has anagate stripping guide for a silk line. Anyone?Bret from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Dec 16 15:42:29 2000 eBGLgSa13562 Subject: Re: Payne rods Rich,Thanks, Is this taper posted in any of the books out there?bret from rcurry@ttlc.net Sat Dec 16 16:07:34 2000 eBGM7Ya14041 Subject: Ferrule Photos All,I'm starting a collection of Ferrule photos on my website. Anyonewho has photos (scans) of ferrules from signed rods, I'd surely like tohave copies (200d.p.i., if possible). Thanks.Next is signature wraps.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from Shadow356_us@hotmail.com Sat Dec 16 18:27:07 2000 eBH0R6a16279 Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:27:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Rope knurl wheels FILETIME=[13AC61E0:01C067C0] Jerry, Try going to http://www.eisinger.com. If its not on there web page, ask fora catalog. They have two different sizes. Charles Marcak----- Original Message ----- Subject: Rope knurl wheels Have just looked through all the tool catalogs, including Form Tool andtwo other catalogs of people that make nothing but knurls, withoutfinding a forming tool for rope knurls. Can anybody help? TIA Jerry Young from rcurry@ttlc.net Sat Dec 16 18:37:26 2000 eBH0bQa16564 "Steve Southard / The Fly Factory / www.troutbums.com" Subject: The Canoe Fly deerhair caddis flies, I have extracted the story of the origin of thisfly at Ray's Canoe livery. Its under "Ray's Bum Child", by RichardEggert, on my website.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from Dennishigham@cs.com Sat Dec 16 19:54:21 2000 eBH1sKa17499 Subject: Re: Payne rods Bret- Unfortunately Jim Payne didn't put model #'s on his rods. So the best youcan do is look at old catalogs and try to match the rod to the description. The only 8', 3 piece rods made were the 200, 201 & 202. The 200 was a light DF-4, 201 was a "DF-5" more DT-4 to WF-5 and the 202 a fast DF- 6.I'dguess that you have 202 from your description. If your rod likes a DT-4 or WF 5 you probably have a 201, if it likes a DT-5 or 6 then it's a 202. Best Dennis P.S. I have all three tapers. let me know if you want them. from caneman@clnk.com Sat Dec 16 20:15:48 2000 eBH2Fla17826 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:15:47 -0600 Subject: Ice Fishing... DON'T DO THIS!!! I tried to forward this to the list for a little cane related entertainmentearlier, but it never came through, so here we go again. As with all of my"Extreme Flyfishing Adventures" this one also is true... Well, maybe that subject, Ice Fishing, isn't completely accurate... WhatI should have said was "fishing while getting peppered by chunks of icefalling from the skies"!Since the list is a little slow during this nationwide cold front/winterstorm we're having, I thought I'd just share my latest fishing adventurewith all of you (would have said "with ya'll", but I get razzed enough aboutmy accent without using it on here!)I went the other day to a really terrible pellet head fishery here, justbefore the ice storms moved in. Of course, it was like any day ofsub-freezing weather, constantly shaking the ice out of your guides,stripping the frozen stuff off of your line. You know it's time for thatwhen you double haul and can only shoot six feet of line and when you do, awhite mist of ice comes off the line as it struggles through the guides.It reminded me of the days I lived in Idaho, and things like this werecommon, so I also remembered another trick I used to use... keep in mindthat saliva, NOT being pure water, and having a higher content of sodium andother such things, will not freeze as quickly as pure water... I used to"spit" on my tip top, and would actually get one or two more casts out of itthat way. Well, thinking that, I decided, hmmmm... if the water in thestream will melt the ice from the tiptop, surely if I just stick it in mymouth for a second, it will do a much quicker and better job. After all, thewater in the river was about 45 to 50 degrees F. and the saliva in my mouthwas a constant 98.6 degrees F. Makes sense, right????Ever stick your tongue to a flagpole when you were a kid??? Well, whenthe temp has dropped to 20 degrees below the dew point on the river in justan hour or so, the same thing will happen if you stick your tiptop to yourlips and tongue. I had my little 6 footer, butt on the ground, hanging frommy mouth, my eyes crossed trying to see what the problem was. Finally, Ifigured out that if I'd cup my hands around my mouth and breathe heavily, itwould release me from my bamboo imprisoner. This took a few minutes, butitdid work...Needless to say, after that, I quickly decided that it was just too damncold to be on the river, packed rod, reel and previously imperiled lips andtongue into the car, shook the ice from my hair (OK, no comments on howsmall an amount of ice that might have been) and promptly returned to thewarmth of my recliner.I sat here for quite some time hesitant to even smoke a cigarette forfear I would have to cup my hands around my face and do thehyperventilationexercise again to get it loose... things like a fly rod being stuck to yourface leave a bit of a temporary psychological impact, ya know... But I'mfine now... smoking again, drinking coffee again, but never, and I meanNEVER again will I try to melt the ice from a tiptop with my mouth.Methinks saliva is better left for non-flyfishing things... and from now on,the water in the river will be fine for melting the ice from my tiptop. Later,Bob from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Dec 16 21:11:02 2000 eBH3B0a18571 Subject: Re: Ice Fishing... DON'T DO THIS!!! Bob,just about the funniest thing I've heard and I can picture it now, in factI'm fantasing about it as I sit in 98 deg heat we're having here where Idon't think my freezer gets cold enough for me to try that one out :- )))Suggest you try fishing in the Antipodes during your winter where it's sohot and dry you *can't* spit, sounds a lot safer. Tony Ever stick your tongue to a flagpole when you were a kid??? Well, whenthe temp has dropped to 20 degrees below the dew point on the river in justan hour or so, the same thing will happen if you stick your tiptop to yourlips and tongue. I had my little 6 footer, butt on the ground, hanging frommy mouth, my eyes crossed trying to see what the problem was. Finally, Ifigured out that if I'd cup my hands around my mouth and breathe heavily, itwould release me from my bamboo imprisoner. This took a few minutes,but itdid work... /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html And the hurrying people daunt me, and their pallid faces haunt meAs they shoulder one another in their rush and nervous haste,With their eager eys and greedy, and their stunted forms and weedy, A.B.("Banjo") Paterson /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Dec 16 21:12:36 2000 eBH3CXa18716 Subject: Re: The Canoe Fly "Steve Southard / The Fly Factory / www.troutbums.com" Looks like the cat's out of the bag now! Tony At 07:40 PM 12/16/00 -0500, reed curry wrote: deerhair caddis flies, I have extracted the story of the origin of thisfly at Ray's Canoe livery. Its under "Ray's Bum Child", by RichardEggert, on my website.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html And the hurrying people daunt me, and their pallid faces haunt meAs they shoulder one another in their rush and nervous haste,With their eager eys and greedy, and their stunted forms and weedy, A.B.("Banjo") Paterson /*************************************************************************/ from GLohkamp@aol.com Sat Dec 16 21:12:50 2000 eBH3Cna18815 Subject: Re: Payne rods --part1_5e.4a33908.276d8921_boundary Has anyone mentioned the node spacing or what type of Ferrule was usedon this rod, it seems to me that would excellent place to start when trying to determine who may have made the rod. Gary --part1_5e.4a33908.276d8921_boundary Has anyonementioned the node spacing or what type of Ferrule was used on thisrod, it seems to me that would excellent place to start when trying todetermine who may have made the rod. Gary --part1_5e.4a33908.276d8921_boundary-- from Lazybee45@aol.com Sat Dec 16 21:13:22 2000 eBH3DLa18923 Subject: Re: don't do this! Well, I have done more stupid things! I won't say what! But Iowa gets really REALLY cold weather (zero outside right now and about 20 mph wind!) sometimes your lips stick to themselves it is so cold. Some of these people around here do something perverted in teh winter that invloves sitting on the ice staring at a hole and waiting for a fish to wander by. Needless to say, most set up something substantial to sit in and this involves fire and a substantial quantity of alcohol! JUST to keep the blood from freezing you understand! But as for me, I will wait until March or April and try to drown my flies in warmer weather. I plan to spend as much time as I can for the next few months staying as close to a fire as I can stand it, with a large fat cat on my lap and a drink (preferably mulled and spiced rum!, but a beer will do!) in my hand watching fishing on TV. Alternatively I will be turning out a planing form and possibly some rods, and dont'forget flies! LOTS of flies!Stay warm out there! We are looking at a -30 wind chill tonight. iam wearing my stocking cap to bed!Merry Christmas!mark The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. ~ A.Einstein from Lazybee45@aol.com Sat Dec 16 21:34:12 2000 eBH3YBa19477 Subject: Iowa rodmakers Are there any rodmakers in Iowa? I travel regularly through Southern Iowa, particularly south western Iowa. would anyone out there be willing to share some cane or allow me to purchase some from them? I live in eastern iowa, (Cedar Rapids)mark The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. ~ A.Einstein from lblan@provide.net Sat Dec 16 22:49:18 2000 eBH4nIa20618 ,"Steve Southard / The Fly Factory / www.troutbums.com" Subject: RE: The Canoe Fly (9.0.2910.0) Reed; I cannot believe you would try to foist off a tale like this as proofthat those silly flies are capable of catching a *trout*. Next, you'll betrying to convince us that there really *is* a hex hatch! Larry Blan -----Original Message----- www.troutbums.comSubject: The Canoe Fly deerhair caddis flies, I have extracted the story of the origin of thisfly at Ray's Canoe livery. Its under "Ray's Bum Child", by RichardEggert, on my website.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from cattanac@wmis.net Sat Dec 16 23:17:56 2000 eBH5Hta21059 Subject: Re: The Canoe Fly Shhhhhhhhhh Larry - we can't be letting the cat out of the bag on this HexHatch thing - we need to still treat it much as one would snipe hunting - take a group of unknowings out in the dark - let them stumble around a whilejust enough so they wonder - you know - too embarassed to ask for the truth ----- Original Message ----- Steve Southard / The Fly Factory / www.troutbums.com Subject: RE: The Canoe Fly Reed; I cannot believe you would try to foist off a tale like this asproofthat those silly flies are capable of catching a *trout*. Next, you'll betrying to convince us that there really *is* a hex hatch! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 7:41 PM www.troutbums.comSubject: The Canoe Fly deerhair caddis flies, I have extracted the story of the origin of thisfly at Ray's Canoe livery. Its under "Ray's Bum Child", by RichardEggert, on my website.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from lblan@provide.net Sat Dec 16 23:27:15 2000 eBH5REa21320 Subject: RE: The Canoe Fly Well... a few well meaning souls tried to tell me about a hex hatch thislast year... I'm quite sure they meant well, but they were obviously notlocals, judging by their dress and manner - I had to inform them that whatthey were looking at were very large brown drakes... because we all knowthat there is no hex hatch on the xxxxxxxx river! Larry Blan -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: The Canoe Fly Shhhhhhhhhh Larry - we can't be letting the cat out of the bag on this HexHatch thing - we need to still treat it much as one would snipe hunting - take a group of unknowings out in the dark - let them stumble around a whilejust enough so they wonder - you know - too embarassed to ask for the truth ----- Original Message ----- Steve Southard / The Fly Factory / www.troutbums.com Subject: RE: The Canoe Fly Reed; I cannot believe you would try to foist off a tale like this asproofthat those silly flies are capable of catching a *trout*. Next, you'll betrying to convince us that there really *is* a hex hatch! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 7:41 PM www.troutbums.comSubject: The Canoe Fly deerhair caddis flies, I have extracted the story of the origin of thisfly at Ray's Canoe livery. Its under "Ray's Bum Child", by RichardEggert, on my website.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from cattanac@wmis.net Sat Dec 16 23:43:41 2000 eBH5hea21698 "Rodmakers Listserv" Subject: Re: The Canoe Fly I warned you guys - you GOT to get them more liquored up before you putthemin those boats - Make 'em think they are just damn big skeeters ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: The Canoe Fly Well... a few well meaning souls tried to tell me about a hex hatch thislast year... I'm quite sure they meant well, but they were obviously notlocals, judging by their dress and manner - I had to inform them that whatthey were looking at were very large brown drakes... because we all knowthat there is no hex hatch on the xxxxxxxx river! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: Re: The Canoe Fly Shhhhhhhhhh Larry - we can't be letting the cat out of the bag on this HexHatch thing - we need to still treat it much as one would snipe hunting - take a group of unknowings out in the dark - let them stumble around awhilejust enough so they wonder - you know - too embarassed to ask for thetruth ----- Original Message -----From: Larry Blan ;Steve Southard / The Fly Factory / www.troutbums.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 11:49 PMSubject: RE: The Canoe Fly Reed; I cannot believe you would try to foist off a tale like this asproofthat those silly flies are capable of catching a *trout*. Next, you'llbetrying to convince us that there really *is* a hex hatch! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 7:41 PM www.troutbums.comSubject: The Canoe Fly deerhair caddis flies, I have extracted the story of the origin of thisfly at Ray's Canoe livery. Its under "Ray's Bum Child", by RichardEggert, on my website.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from kellydr@xtra.co.nz Sun Dec 17 02:16:06 2000 eBH8G5a23358 +1300 Subject: Unsubscribe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C0686E.CFA8A080 Please unsubscribe me to your mailing list. Thank you =kellydr@xtra.co.nz ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C0686E.CFA8A080 Please unsubscribe me to your mailing list. = ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C0686E.CFA8A080-- from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Dec 17 04:55:52 2000 eBHAtna24467 Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:55:46 +0800 Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:54:29 +0800 Subject: RE: The Canoe Fly You mean I was almost choking on brown drakes!!??? Happily the browns Icaught couldn't tell the dif either :-) Still, it was pretty nice to be inon 4 "brown drake" hatches in five days, it impressed me! Couldn't in truth say I had to beat the brookies off with a stick when Iwas using an EHC (95% of the time) but they liked it. I used Stimulators atnight. If I make it back to Greyling again I'll come well supplied withthese two patterns you can be sure.While on the subject I was in NZ a week back and the EHC and Stimulator didthe trick again.I have no idea of what the trout think these flys are because they takethem at all times of the day or night. Matching the hatch must work betterin the long run but you can do a lot worse than try one of these deer hairconcotions if you don't have any reason to use anything else.Incidently, I would highly recomend the Dickerson 7614 for NZ. I took myDriggs but never used it at all, it was just not enough gun for the place. Tony At 12:27 AM 12/17/00 -0500, Larry Blan wrote:Well... a few well meaning souls tried to tell me about a hex hatch thislast year... I'm quite sure they meant well, but they were obviously notlocals, judging by their dress and manner - I had to inform them that whatthey were looking at were very large brown drakes... because we all knowthat there is no hex hatch on the xxxxxxxx river! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: Re: The Canoe Fly Shhhhhhhhhh Larry - we can't be letting the cat out of the bag on this HexHatch thing - we need to still treat it much as one would snipe hunting - take a group of unknowings out in the dark - let them stumble around awhilejust enough so they wonder - you know - too embarassed to ask for thetruth ----- Original Message -----From: Larry Blan ;Steve Southard / The Fly Factory / www.troutbums.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 11:49 PMSubject: RE: The Canoe Fly Reed; I cannot believe you would try to foist off a tale like this asproofthat those silly flies are capable of catching a *trout*. Next, you'll betrying to convince us that there really *is* a hex hatch! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 7:41 PM www.troutbums.comSubject: The Canoe Fly deerhair caddis flies, I have extracted the story of the origin of thisfly at Ray's Canoe livery. Its under "Ray's Bum Child", by RichardEggert, on my website.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html And the hurrying people daunt me, and their pallid faces haunt meAs they shoulder one another in their rush and nervous haste,With their eager eys and greedy, and their stunted forms and weedy, A.B.("Banjo") Paterson /*************************************************************************/ from bob@downandacross.com Sun Dec 17 07:47:34 2000 eBHDlXa25408 Subject: Fwd: Power fibres mag --=====================_45161506==_.ALT Could anyone on the list from NZ, help this budding maker out? I told him to join the list, but I know you guys have cane and might be able to help.Thanks, Bob Maulucci From: "chriswhiting" Subject: Power fibres magDate: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:33:26 +1300X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 I live in New Zealand and to have regular access to such an on line magazine is brilliant. It is my ambition to build a cane rod(s) and as I am so far from anywhere where access to such information is easy, every little bit helps. My main problem at the moment is sourcing the cane. I have contacted two companies in the states but due to our exhange rate/ freight etc.. it would be more ideal to source the tonkin cane closer to home. Any ideas? regards Chris Whiting Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com --=====================_45161506==_.ALT Could anyone on the list from NZ, help this budding maker out? I told himto join the list, but I know you guys have cane and might be able tohelp.Thanks, Bob Maulucci From: "chriswhiting" Subject: Power fibres mag I live in New Zealand and to have regular access to such anon line magazine is brilliant. It is my ambition to build a cane rod(s)and as I am so far from anywhere where access to such information iseasy, every little bit helps. My main problem at the moment is sourcing the cane. I havecontacted two companies in the states but due to our exhange rate/freight etc.. it would be more ideal to source the tonkin cane closer tohome. Any ideas? regards Chris Whiting Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular 716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com --=====================_45161506==_.ALT-- from Jburch01@aol.com Sun Dec 17 10:15:54 2000 eBHGFra27020 Subject: unsubscribe rodmakers --part1_81.46012c4.276e40aa_boundary unsubscribe rodmakers jburch01@aol.com --part1_81.46012c4.276e40aa_boundary unsubscribe rodmakers jburch01@aol.com --part1_81.46012c4.276e40aa_boundary-- from cbogart@shentel.net Sun Dec 17 11:50:41 2000 eBHHofa27941 mtiwmhc28.worldnet.att.net +0000 Subject: Catskill Gathering 2000 - Digger Rod To All 60 fathers of the Gathering Rod: Yesterday I presented the finished rod to Mary Stoner the President ofthe Catskill Fly Fishing Center and Museum executive committee at their meeting(even Joan Wolf was there). The rod was very well received by all concerned and there is a deep appreciation for the rodmakers and the gathering in thiseffort. I have posted pictures at: http://www.canerod.com/Gatherings/Index.html Follow the link to Catskill 2000 and click on the presentation link. There aresome nice pictures of the rod included. Tom Smithwick did a wonderful job in finishing this rod as the closeup of thestripperguide will show. Look for this rod at the winter fly fishing shows in the centerbooth. To everyone - a job well done and you all should feel proud of yourselves. Therodis simply stunning - a real work of art that Digger would surely haveappreciated. Chris PS - While I was the Center I got to see and flex their newest acquisition andprobably one of the worlds most valuable rods - a mint (never been fished) Garrison201E. Nice rod - wish I could take it fishing. from darrell@rockclimbing.org Sun Dec 17 12:42:06 2000 eBHIg6a28629 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: PHY - The Standard Spin/Fly rod I just got this rod in. It has 2x2x2 node spacing. Is that the standard PHYspacing... This is kind of an interesting rod. Parabolic in nature, spinningguides and two rings for the reel on a 12" grip plus a fly reel seat at theend... In the reprint catalog I have, it says it can use a HDH line which isabout a 6wt line. It's a 7.5" 2/1. It came with a plastic tube with an aluminum cap. It looks pretty goodquality for a plastic tube. Did PHY use this type of tube? Does anybody know much about this rod besides what's in the catalog? In thecatalog it calls the model number 7 1/2' - 14-4 1/3 oz. I'm wondering ifit's a Para 14 blank... Guess I'll have to measure it to see if it could bea Para 14 in spinning gear... Darrellwww.vfish.net from darrell@rockclimbing.org Sun Dec 17 12:52:36 2000 eBHIqZa28939 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Ice Fishing... DON'T DO THIS!!! What's that??? It's supposed to be 80 degrees today in L.A. I wish my motorcycle didn't have an electrical short... I'd take it for aride today... :^) Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- Subject: Ice Fishing... DON'T DO THIS!!! I tried to forward this to the list for a little cane related entertainmentearlier, but it never came through, so here we go again. As with all of my"Extreme Flyfishing Adventures" this one also is true... Well, maybe that subject, Ice Fishing, isn't completely accurate... WhatI should have said was "fishing while getting peppered by chunks of icefalling from the skies"!Since the list is a little slow during this nationwide cold front/winterstorm we're having, I thought I'd just share my latest fishing adventurewith all of you (would have said "with ya'll", but I get razzed enough aboutmy accent without using it on here!)I went the other day to a really terrible pellet head fishery here, justbefore the ice storms moved in. Of course, it was like any day ofsub-freezing weather, constantly shaking the ice out of your guides,stripping the frozen stuff off of your line. You know it's time for thatwhen you double haul and can only shoot six feet of line and when you do, awhite mist of ice comes off the line as it struggles through the guides.It reminded me of the days I lived in Idaho, and things like this werecommon, so I also remembered another trick I used to use... keep in mindthat saliva, NOT being pure water, and having a higher content of sodium andother such things, will not freeze as quickly as pure water... I used to"spit" on my tip top, and would actually get one or two more casts out of itthat way. Well, thinking that, I decided, hmmmm... if the water in thestream will melt the ice from the tiptop, surely if I just stick it in mymouth for a second, it will do a much quicker and better job. After all, thewater in the river was about 45 to 50 degrees F. and the saliva in my mouthwas a constant 98.6 degrees F. Makes sense, right????Ever stick your tongue to a flagpole when you were a kid??? Well, whenthe temp has dropped to 20 degrees below the dew point on the river in justan hour or so, the same thing will happen if you stick your tiptop to yourlips and tongue. I had my little 6 footer, butt on the ground, hanging frommy mouth, my eyes crossed trying to see what the problem was. Finally, Ifigured out that if I'd cup my hands around my mouth and breathe heavily, itwould release me from my bamboo imprisoner. This took a few minutes, butitdid work...Needless to say, after that, I quickly decided that it was just too damncold to be on the river, packed rod, reel and previously imperiled lips andtongue into the car, shook the ice from my hair (OK, no comments on howsmall an amount of ice that might have been) and promptly returned to thewarmth of my recliner.I sat here for quite some time hesitant to even smoke a cigarette forfear I would have to cup my hands around my face and do thehyperventilationexercise again to get it loose... things like a fly rod being stuck to yourface leave a bit of a temporary psychological impact, ya know... But I'mfine now... smoking again, drinking coffee again, but never, and I meanNEVER again will I try to melt the ice from a tiptop with my mouth.Methinks saliva is better left for non-flyfishing things... and from now on,the water in the river will be fine for melting the ice from my tiptop. Later,Bob from mloftis@sonic.net Sun Dec 17 13:37:39 2000 eBHJbca29613 0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C0681C.3FE948C0 ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C0681C.3FE948C0 ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C0681C.3FE948C0-- from domenic1@worldnet.att.net Sun Dec 17 14:14:03 2000 eBHKE2a00385 ;Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:13:58 +0000 Subject: Re: unsubscribe rodmakers Organization: Croce Rod Company This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0683D.4B8B7BA0 Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 11:15 AMSubject: unsubscribe rodmakers ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0683D.4B8B7BA0 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, December 17,2000 = AMSubject: unsubscribe =rodmakersunsubscribe = ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0683D.4B8B7BA0-- from canerod@mwt.net Sun Dec 17 15:48:17 2000 eBHLmGa01784 eBHLmDt00968 Subject: Iowa bamboo Hello, My name is Phil Rundhaugen, And I've been lurking for nearly 2years, enjoying the list immensely. I know a few of you from Grayrock,the rest just from following along pretty much daily. I think it's timeto make my presence known, as I live near LaCrosse,Wis., a ratherpleasant drive away from the fellow in Iowa looking for cane. If you'lle-mail me off list I'm sure I can set you up with some cane I've had 5years. It should be in good condition to use immediately if you choose.God bless and tight lines,Phil. from sats@gte.net Sun Dec 17 19:25:52 2000 eBI1Ppa04494 Subject: Gringing irons I usually start a plane I've "rescued" from the flea-market by looking at theblade. Unless the plane is in very good condition, the blade is usually chippedand pitted. Why do people try to plane 2x4s with nails in them? If you're like me you start sharpening a plane iron by grinding the angle on agrinder, especially if you're using a "non-standard"(not 30deg.) angle on youriron. In the past I've always guessed at the correct angle when setting the iron inmyguide. This has always bothered me because I can be off by plus/minus 5deg.So the other night I sat down and came up with a way to be a little moreexact.It doesn't take any special tools, just a piece of cardboard and a protractor. First a little background. A tangent is an imaginary line that would just touchthe arc of your grinding wheel. The tangent is 90deg to a line through theaxis of your grinding wheel. If you think of the place where the tangent crosses the line from the axis asthe place where your plane blade will rest as you grind, then the bearing fromany angle to the axis is n + 90. (30 deg + 90 deg = 120 deg. ) Simply add 90 to the angle you want on your iron and lay that angle out oncardboard, then cut along the line. Set the cardboard on top of your iron sothe axis of the angle is on the front edge of the blade. Now move the bladeinor out until the other edge of the cardboard lines up with the axis of yourgrinding wheel. Tighten the blade to your guide and your ready to go. I realize this is (a.) something so simple that a lot of you have alreadyfigured it out and (b) something that you don't do very often unless you area"plane nut" like I am. (I could start a hardware store.) But if anyone outthere is getting ready to grind an iron for the first time, Merry Christmas.------------- ---------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/vzn05zew from ctn45555@centurytel.net Sun Dec 17 22:50:27 2000 eBI4oQa07219 Organization: Smith & Boyd Subject: RPM's for turning ferrule stations I am new to cane rod buiding. Tonight I glued-up my first rod and hopeto be turning ferrule stations in a couple of weeks. I recently boughtan old metal lathe, without a motor. I know about what horsepower motorto get, but don't have a clue what RPM I need. Could someone tell meabout how many RPM's a bamboo blank should be spinning when turningferrule stations? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Chad S. Boyd from parkerdh@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Sun Dec 17 23:36:47 2000 eBI5aja07815 Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:36:41 -0700 (parkerdh@localhost) Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:36:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Payne rods I would be interested in all three tapers, 200, 201, and 202. Thanks for your help. David Parker On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 Dennishigham@cs.com wrote: Bret- Unfortunately Jim Payne didn't put model #'s on his rods. So the best youcan do is look at old catalogs and try to match the rod to the description. The only 8', 3 piece rods made were the 200, 201 & 202. The 200 was a light DF-4, 201 was a "DF-5" more DT-4 to WF-5 and the 202 a fast DF- 6.I'dguess that you have 202 from your description. If your rod likes a DT-4 or WF 5 you probably have a 201, if it likes a DT-5 or 6 then it's a 202. Best Dennis P.S. I have all three tapers. let me know if you want them. from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Dec 18 06:48:19 2000 eBICmIa11255 Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:48:17 -0800 Subject: Re: RPM's for turning ferrule stations Hi Chad,Welcome to our group. Most lathes have a series of pulleys that adjust the speed. My guessis that the motor runs at 1700 rpm's, but your lathe will run at otherspeeds based on its pulley system. You might do well to consult a few ofthese websites and see if you can find an operations manual for yourparticular lathe. http://www.lathes.co.uk/http://www.pioneer.net/~felice/taig.htmlhttp://members.toast.net/thibault//Atlas_Lathe.htmhttp://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/machine-shop/lathe- class.htmlhttp://www.cctrap.com/~varmint/alath.htmhttp://www.atsc- army.org/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/tc/9-524/toc.htm I don't have Clausing Industrial's web address handy, but that's a verygood place to start. Also, I hear good things about the lathe guy whoadvertises in The Planing Form, but haven't ever dealt with him personally. Hope this helps, and btw, great last name, cuz! Harry Boyd Amy & Chad wrote: Could someone tell me about how many RPM's a bamboo blank should bespinning when turning ferrule stations? Chad S. Boyd --Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from hexagon@odyssee.net Mon Dec 18 08:14:30 2000 eBIEEUa12445 Subject: Re: RPM's for turning ferrule stations Spinning 4ft of unsupported cane with anything but a slow speed would notbe recommended unless of course you have enough room for take off! Amy & Chad wrote: I am new to cane rod buiding. Tonight I glued-up my first rod and hopeto be turning ferrule stations in a couple of weeks. I recently boughtan old metal lathe, without a motor. I know about what horsepower motorto get, but don't have a clue what RPM I need. Could someone tell meabout how many RPM's a bamboo blank should be spinning when turningferrule stations? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Chad S. Boyd from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Mon Dec 18 10:28:02 2000 eBIGS0a16754 2000 08:28:01 PST Subject: Re: RPM's for turning ferrule stations it does take off, doesn't it? ....AND A WAY WE GO....!timothy --- "T. Ackland" wrote:Spinning 4ft of unsupported cane with anything but aslow speed would notbe recommended unless of course you have enough room Amy & Chad wrote: I am new to cane rod buiding. Tonight I glued-upmy first rod and hopeto be turning ferrule stations in a couple ofweeks. I recently boughtan old metal lathe, without a motor. I know aboutwhat horsepower motorto get, but don't have a clue what RPM I need.Could someone tell meabout how many RPM's a bamboo blank should bespinning when turningferrule stations? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Chad S. Boyd ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from newmin@ptdprolog.net Mon Dec 18 11:04:10 2000 eBIH4Aa18073 0000 Subject: FW: RPM's for turning ferrule stations ChadI turn mine at 1450 rpm. The tool is ground to a slim point and razorharp( V shaped). Make sure your chuck is dead center and each flat is at thesame height when you turn the chuck by hand. To keep the other end fromflying around I purchased a cheap roller on an adjustable tripod ( new, and$6.00 at flea market tool vendor) replaced the roller with a 1"X3" boardand drilled a hole thru it large enough to press fit a cork ring. Usedifferent rings with different size holes to insert the "loose" end of theblank thru. hope this helpsnewmin -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: RPM's for turning ferrule stations Hi Chad,Welcome to our group. Most lathes have a series of pulleys that adjust the speed. My guessis that the motor runs at 1700 rpm's, but your lathe will run at otherspeeds based on its pulley system. You might do well to consult a few ofthese websites and see if you can find an operations manual for yourparticular lathe. http://www.lathes.co.uk/http://www.pioneer.net/~felice/taig.htmlhttp://members.toast.net/thibault//Atlas_Lathe.htmhttp://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/machine-shop/lathe- class.htmlhttp://www.cctrap.com/~varmint/alath.htmhttp://www.atsc- army.org/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/tc/9-524/toc.htm I don't have Clausing Industrial's web address handy, but that's a verygood place to start. Also, I hear good things about the lathe guy whoadvertises in The Planing Form, but haven't ever dealt with him personally. Hope this helps, and btw, great last name, cuz! Harry Boyd Amy & Chad wrote: Could someone tell me about how many RPM's a bamboo blank should bespinning when turning ferrule stations? Chad S. Boyd --Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from cfreaner@hq.nasa.gov Mon Dec 18 13:35:09 2000 eBIJZ8a23112 Subject: Looking for fishing spots? When you get some spare time over the holidays and are wondering about where to go fishing, take a look here: http://www.visibleearth.nasa.gov/ Scroll down to where it says "Locations" and pick the area of the world you're interested in seeing. Happy exploring!Claude from Dennishigham@cs.com Mon Dec 18 14:35:20 2000 eBIKZJa25308 Subject: Payne tapers Lots of requests for the 200, 201, 202 tapers. I'm on the road right now, I'll post the tapers when I get home. The Payne 201 & 202 tapers can befound in Howell's, pg. 54. Dennis from jojo@ipa.net Mon Dec 18 18:18:35 2000 eBJ0IYa03286 Subject: Re: RPM's for turning ferrule stations Chad,I don't know exactly how many RPM's, but I turn at slow speeds due to thetake-off aspect as mentioned by Terry. Believe me, the phlugoid (sp?)oscillations go out of control before you can say, "OH FECES!", much lessreach the OFF switch. Since I am using machined ferrules, the inside of eachend of the ferrule has the included angle of the drill bit left therein.First, I have a special tool I ground for this. It is held mostlyperpendicular to the rod section, but the cutting edge is angled so as toproperly relieve the transition area that is made between the round sectionand the hex. This way I get the proper diameter cut and the proper reliefangle from one tool, using multiple, light passes. I don't try to match thetransition angle on the first several passes. I leave the angle more than itneeds to be, then cut. When I am close to the final diameter of the stationI change the tool to the proper angle and cut. Next I use a specially groundtool to cut the proper angle at the end of the rod section so as to matchthe included angle left by the drill bit in the inside of the ferrule. Nowthe ferrule is self- centered on the rod section. Martin-Darrell ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RPM's for turning ferrule stations I am new to cane rod buiding. Tonight I glued-up my first rod and hopeto be turning ferrule stations in a couple of weeks. I recently boughtan old metal lathe, without a motor. I know about what horsepower motorto get, but don't have a clue what RPM I need. Could someone tell meabout how many RPM's a bamboo blank should be spinning when turningferrule stations? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Chad S. Boyd from rmcelvain@uswest.net Tue Dec 19 12:33:21 2000 eBJIXFa21690 oemcomputer.uswest.net) (63.230.4.102) Subject: Test-do not open from tfbinn@mindspring.com Tue Dec 19 16:30:05 2000 eBJMU0a00682 Subject: test This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C069E1.54509860 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C069E1.54509860 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C069E1.54509860-- from pumpkin10@prodigy.net Tue Dec 19 17:12:25 2000 eBJNCOa02065 Subject: Addesives This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C069E4.58580F80 Time to order new epoxy for rod sections, can't decide between Epon & =Nyatex , have been using Nyatex for first eight rods, I borowed from a =very helpful rod maker in my area, Any help to make a decison will help. =I have address for Nyatex but not for Epon,Thanks Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C069E4.58580F80 = can't decide between Epon & Nyatex , have been using Nyatex for = rods, I borowed from a very helpful rod maker in my area, Any help to = decison will help. I have address for Nyatex but not for =Epon, Thanks Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C069E4.58580F80-- from rcurry@ttlc.net Tue Dec 19 17:25:07 2000 eBJNP6a02478 Subject: 1962 Voelker Article John Voelker seems to have a good following on the list, so I put his1962 article from LIFE magazine on my website. I think we can all Happy Holidays. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from CAIrvinerods@aol.com Tue Dec 19 17:34:04 2000 eBJNY4a02811 Subject: Thanks Mr. Curry Reed, Just wanted to thank you for your web page, I certainly have enjoyed the articles. Take care, Happy Holidays and always, Tight Lines, Chuck from darrell@rockclimbing.org Tue Dec 19 18:52:21 2000 eBK0qKa04430 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: Website updated - www.vfish.net Can you please help me test? Hi all, I just gave the site a bit of a facelift. Also learned a few new tricks andneed some people to give me some feedback as to how you like the changes...Please go to www.vfish.net Is it better or worse? I know it loads a little slower, but is it a lot slower? I have DSL and itloads fast so I can't tell, but those with regular modems would be a betterjudge... According to my Frontpage software, it should take 18 seconds toload at 28.8k... Anybody still running one at that speed? Of particular interest, can some people using Netscape and other non- IE5browser users give me some feedback as to how it loads and looks? How do you like the new graphics? I know it doesn't have some nice canerods... I'm going to have to take some pics or if someone has a nice longphoto that might be suitable, please let me know... If you notice any bugs, please let me know... Thanks a bunch! Darrellwww.vfish.net from tfbinn@mindspring.com Tue Dec 19 18:57:43 2000 eBK0vga04686 Subject: Re: Addesives This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C069F5.ED61FDA0 Tony,I can't compare Nyatex and Epon as I've only used Epon, and I'm only on =my 5th rod, but it's lived up to it's billing as far as I'm concerned. =Long set up time, easy to remove binding cord, fairly easy to clean up =with white vinegar, and not bad to remove any excess after curing. (As =long as you don't wait too long. I've let it set up for 18-24 hours =before removing string and scraping/sanding) Anyway, just today ordered =a quantity of both the resin and hardener from Miller-Stephenson. They =asked for a business name (name only-make one up if you don't have one) =and took a credit card. You can buy pints, quarts, half gallons, gallons =and 5 gallon containers. I ordered from their Illinois location and they =had both the resin and curing agent in stock. The resin is Epon #828, =and the curing agent is Epi-Cure #3140. Costs are very reasonable. =Here's their web address, http://www.cleanswabs.com/Hope this info helps.All the usual disclaimers,Winston Binney ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C069F5.ED61FDA0 Tony,I can't compare Nyatex and Epon as I've= Epon, and I'm only on my 5th rod, but it's lived up to it's billing as = to clean up with white vinegar, and not bad to remove any excess after = (As long as you don't wait too long. I've let it set up for 18-24 hours = removing string and scraping/sanding) Anyway, just today ordered a = both the resin and hardener from Miller-Stephenson. They asked for a = containers. I ordered from their Illinois location and they had both the = agent is Epi-Cure #3140. Costs are very reasonable. Here's their web =address, http://www.cleanswabs.com/= Hope this info helps.All the usualdisclaimers,Winston Binney ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C069F5.ED61FDA0-- from Oozakgpt@aol.com Tue Dec 19 19:39:55 2000 eBK1dta05747 Subject: Man-O-War --part1_c0.d6583e2.277167d7_boundary Just at my local wood shop today and found some Man-O-War.They had three diffferent can's.One gloss,one semi-gloss,and one gloss in a red can @ $45/gal.All where spar urethanes.Looking for feedback as to the differencein the gloss spar urethanes.TIA Greg T. --part1_c0.d6583e2.277167d7_boundary Just at my local wood $45/gal.All where spar urethanes.Looking for feedback as to thedifference in the gloss spar urethanes.TIA Greg T. --part1_c0.d6583e2.277167d7_boundary-- from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Tue Dec 19 20:19:45 2000 eBK2Jia06647 Subject: Re: 1962 Voelker Article Richard Colo wrote: Reed what a great article. Went to the draw and picked out the copy.Thumbed through it and ran into an article by Nick Lyons "The Things wedid Last Summer". On the facing page is a print by Churchill Ettingerthat is in my mud room. Never knew it. Will go in the den and get"Anatomy of a Fisherman" for bedtime....thanks, Rich reed curry wrote: John Voelker seems to have a good following on the list, so I put his1962 article from LIFE magazine on my website. I think we can all Happy Holidays. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Tue Dec 19 20:27:11 2000 eBK2RAa06891 Subject: Re: Website updated - www.vfish.net Can you please help me test? Darrel, loaded on Netscape at 25,000 in 13 seconds....looks very nice, Rich Darrell Lee wrote: Hi all, I just gave the site a bit of a facelift. Also learned a few new tricks andneed some people to give me some feedback as to how you like thechanges...Please go to www.vfish.net Is it better or worse? I know it loads a little slower, but is it a lot slower? I have DSL and itloads fast so I can't tell, but those with regular modems would be a betterjudge... According to my Frontpage software, it should take 18 seconds toload at 28.8k... Anybody still running one at that speed? Of particular interest, can some people using Netscape and other non- IE5browser users give me some feedback as to how it loads and looks? How do you like the new graphics? I know it doesn't have some nice canerods... I'm going to have to take some pics or if someone has a nice longphoto that might be suitable, please let me know... If you notice any bugs, please let me know... Thanks a bunch! Darrellwww.vfish.net from Troutgetter@aol.com Tue Dec 19 20:47:56 2000 eBK2lta07676 Subject: Re: Website updated - www.vfish.net Can you please help me test? In a message dated 12/19/2000 5:52:56 PM PDT, darrell@rockclimbing.orgwrites: Do they make them faster? If so, I'll look into it, plenty of room in this 486Mike ShayMike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CA from HomeyDKlown@att.net Wed Dec 20 06:14:18 2000 eBKCEGa14294 ;Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:14:13 +0000 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Website updated - www.vfish.net Can you please help me test? Darrell, I'm running an old 486/66 "boat anchor class" PC with a 33.6 modem. Your site loaded quickly with no hangups. The site looks good. There's LOTS of stuff there! Dennis Darrell Lee wrote: Hi all, I just gave the site a bit of a facelift. Also learned a few new tricks andneed some people to give me some feedback as to how you like thechanges...Please go to www.vfish.net Is it better or worse? I know it loads a little slower, but is it a lot slower? I have DSL and itloads fast so I can't tell, but those with regular modems would be a betterjudge... According to my Frontpage software, it should take 18 seconds toload at 28.8k... Anybody still running one at that speed? Of particular interest, can some people using Netscape and other non- IE5browser users give me some feedback as to how it loads and looks? How do you like the new graphics? I know it doesn't have some nice canerods... I'm going to have to take some pics or if someone has a nice longphoto that might be suitable, please let me know... If you notice any bugs, please let me know... Thanks a bunch! Darrellwww.vfish.net from darrell@rockclimbing.org Wed Dec 20 09:56:42 2000 eBKFufa19793 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Website updated - www.vfish.net - Thank you all! Thanks to all who helped me check out my revisions. Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Website updated - www.vfish.net Can you please help metest? Darrell, I'm running an old 486/66 "boat anchor class" PC with a 33.6 modem.Your site loaded quickly with no hangups. The site looks good. There's LOTS of stuff there! Dennis Darrell Lee wrote: Hi all, I just gave the site a bit of a facelift. Also learned a few new tricksandneed some people to give me some feedback as to how you like thechanges...Please go to www.vfish.net Is it better or worse? I know it loads a little slower, but is it a lot slower? I have DSL and itloads fast so I can't tell, but those with regular modems would be abetterjudge... According to my Frontpage software, it should take 18 seconds toload at 28.8k... Anybody still running one at that speed? Of particular interest, can some people using Netscape and other non- IE5browser users give me some feedback as to how it loads and looks? How do you like the new graphics? I know it doesn't have some nice canerods... I'm going to have to take some pics or if someone has a nice longphoto that might be suitable, please let me know... If you notice any bugs, please let me know... Thanks a bunch! Darrellwww.vfish.net from jmpio@nhbm.com Wed Dec 20 11:32:15 2000 eBKHWFa23947 Subject: Finish Aesthetics Just shipped a rod I refinished for my brother and his wife. Everytime Icome close to completing a refinish, I face the same difficult aestheticdecision: how much varnish to apply to the wraps. Part of me wants to leavethe "grain" of the wraps visible, part of me wants to completely cover themover. The practical side of me wins out, and I apply multiple coatsreasoning that at least that way I am unlikely to ever have to re-wrap thatrod. Then I go look at photos of other current rodmakers work, and I seethat they seem to be using a lot less varnish than me. Could you alldescribe what your finish looks like when your done and how you accomplishit? from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Dec 20 11:40:41 2000 eBKHeea24460 2000 09:40:38 PST Subject: Re: Finish Aesthetics james, i like less varnish but people that don't makerods seem to want a rod to look like the wraps havethat epoxy coating on them. i use more varnish than iuse to but just enough to cover the threads now. if itlooks good to you then to-hell with with what someoneelse thinks. it's your work. be right. timothy --- James Piotrowski wrote:Just shipped a rod I refinished for my brother andhis wife. Everytime Icome close to completing a refinish, I face the samedifficult aestheticdecision: how much varnish to apply to the wraps. Part of me wants to leavethe "grain" of the wraps visible, part of me wantsto completely cover themover. The practical side of me wins out, and Iapply multiple coatsreasoning that at least that way I am unlikely toever have to re-wrap thatrod. Then I go look at photos of other currentrodmakers work, and I seethat they seem to be using a lot less varnish thanme. Could you alldescribe what your finish looks like when your doneand how you accomplishit? ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from ChristopherO@epicimaging.com Wed Dec 20 11:54:25 2000 eBKHsPa25164 (5.5.2448.0) Subject: Hey y'all. Next time anyone on the list goes fishing in freezing weather,try this. To keep the line from freezing in the guides, before you start fishing, rubchapstick on the guides. It keeps the water from freezing on the metal andthe line won't stick. Works like a charm (I know personally from wintergreat lakes steelheading experience). You can use it on your lips too, but do not put the rod guides against yourlips and then rub chapstick over both to save time (we have all learned avaluable lesson thanks to bob nunley). chris from steve@hamiltonrods.com Wed Dec 20 13:07:37 2000 eBKJ7aa27450 Service Version 5.5.2448.0) Subject: Re: Finish Aesthetics James Piotrowski wrote:Part of me wants to leave the "grain" of the wraps visible,part of me wants to completely cover them over. The practicalside of me wins out, and I apply multiple coats reasoning thatat least that way I am unlikely to ever have to re-wrap that rod.Then I go look at photos of other current rodmakers work, and I seethat they seem to be using a lot less varnish than me. I've had the same question as well. My problem is that since I startedbuilding bamboo rods shortly after taking up the sport of fly fishing,I've seen very, very few bamboo rods other than the ones I've built. Ibuild purely for fun, not for profit, but that doesn't stop me fromtrying to learn how to build the most cosmetically appealing rods Ican. The photos I've seen of other people's work are prettyastonishing. I really enjoy looking at photos of other people's rods,but what I really need to do is go to one of the gatherings next yearand examine a whole bunch of rods. As for amount of varnish, here are a few images that show how much Iput on the last rod I built (for a friend who doesn't yet know he'sgetting the rod): http://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/tomrod/DCP_0720.jpghttp://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/tomrod/DCP_0725.jpghttp://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/tomrod/DCP_0697.jpghttp://www.hamiltonrods.com/images/tomrod/DCP_0754.jpg --Steve from Dennishigham@cs.com Wed Dec 20 14:12:10 2000 eBKKC9a29550 Subject: Payne tapers There were a number of requests for these, so I thought I'd just post themto the list. Payne 200, 3 piece, 8', 4wt. (more on the medium side of mediumfast).Catalog listed as a "Light DT-4". .004 has been subtracted for varnish. 0 = .056 5 = .072 10 = .08615 = .10220 = .11625 = .13030 = .13835 = .15340 = .17045 = .18850 = .19855 = .20960 = .21865 = .22370 = .23975 = .25480 = .27185 = .33186 = .344rest is under the grip. The second tip has the following #'s0 = .0515 = .06810 = .08415 = .09720 = .11025 = .12630 = .134 I never realized there were two diff tips until I pulled the rod out this morning to check the #'s I had. I not sure how they compare casting because it's 17 degrees out, there's 20"+ of snow outside and it's snowing again for another 3-5". I' m not going out in my driveway to try casting this rod w/ a dayglow colored flyline today. Kinda sounds like the start of a Bob Nunley story. Payne 201 & 202, 8', 3 piece, Catalog listed as a DT-5 and a fast DT-6.You can find these # in Howells Pg. 54. But for those who don't have Howell's yet here are the #'s. Each section measured from the butt, .006 subtracted for varnish. Payne 201Butt0 = .3545 = .35410 = .35415 = .30420 = .28225 = .26830 = .25632 = .252 Mid0 = .2405 = .23410 = .22415 = .21320 = .20025 = .18830 = .17432 = .168 Tip0 = .1545 = .14210 = .13115 = .11920 = .10725 = .08830 = .06732 = .062 Payne 202Butt0 = 3445 = .34410 = .34415 = .29920 = .28625 = .26930 = .25932 = .254 Mid0 = .2405 = .23010 = .22415 = .21220 = .19925 = .18630 = .17432 = .168 Tip0 = .1585 = .15010 = .13815 = .12620 = .10825 = .09030 = .07432 = .064 Happy Holidays, Dennis P.S. Tony S. asked what the DF-5 or DF-6 ment in relation to line weights. The older Payne catalogs listed the line weight of a 200 as a light DF-4, the new catalog from the new Payne company in Sisters, OR lists it as a light DT-4. I'd guess that the old DF- designations were for double taper maybe floating lines??Anyone know for sure?? Reed? from teekay35@interlynx.net Wed Dec 20 14:27:20 2000 eBKKRJa00075 Subject: Re: Finish Aesthetics My finished rods have 5 coats of varnish on the wraps, and 3 coats on thecane. First I dip varnish the rod sections twice in spar varnish, wetsanding each coat with 600 grit wet paper. The guides are then wrapped inplace with 'A' thread and carefully stacked and burnished to get a tightuniform appearance. Four coats of Varathane 900 varnish are applied toeach wrap being careful not to bleed over the thread edges. Varathane actslike a colour preserver and is designed for flooring, so you can put a coaton every 3-4 hours. I use a good quality brush for this. The brush iskept wet in varsal when not in use. The 4th coat of varathane is lightlysanded with 2000 wet paper strips, and then the entire rod is cleaned withvarsal, tacked off, and given a final dip of spar varnish. The finishedwraps are attractive. from ajthramer@hotmail.com Wed Dec 20 15:01:13 2000 eBKL1Ca01565 Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:01:09 -0800 Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:01:09 GMT Subject: Re: Finish Aesthetics FILETIME=[FA1C78E0:01C06AC7] From: James Piotrowski Subject: Finish AestheticsDate: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:34:02 -0700 Just shipped a rod I refinished for my brother and his wife. Everytime Icome close to completing a refinish, I face the same difficult aestheticdecision: how much varnish to apply to the wraps. Part of me wants to leavethe "grain" of the wraps visible, part of me wants to completely cover themover. The practical side of me wins out, and I apply multiple coatsreasoning that at least that way I am unlikely to ever have to re-wrap thatrod. Then I go look at photos of other current rodmakers work, and I seethat they seem to be using a lot less varnish than me. Could you alldescribe what your finish looks like when your done and how you accomplishit? I put three coats of spar on the 2/0 thread, then finish with two coats of varnish. the thread is just barely 'starved' Now for the IMHO part: Varnish contributes nothing to the usefulness of the rod past waterproofing it and the less you apply the better. Aesthetics are a personal thing for each rodbuilder though and you should strive to finish the rod so that it looks right to you. Not anyone else. I am also very suspicious of vanishing the blank then adding guides on top of the resulting varnish, it would seem to be an excellent way of obtaining an excellent finish coat but at what sacrifice to the integrity of the resulting product? In the traditional method you are bonding the guides and thread wrap directly to the canewhich would seem to me to be a more structuraly sound method in the long run. Of course i am still pinning my ferrules too! Just some of my thoughts on the subject in our open forum on rodbuilding practices and techniques A.J. Thramer_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Wed Dec 20 15:45:51 2000 eBKLjoa02996 QAA19032; Subject: Re: Payne tapers Reed I think the DF stood for "dry fly" action as opposed to parabolic. Rich Dennishigham@cs.com wrote: There were a number of requests for these, so I thought I'd just post themtothe list. Payne 200, 3 piece, 8', 4wt. (more on the medium side of mediumfast).Cataloglisted as a "Light DT-4". .004 has been subtracted for varnish. 0 = .0565 = .07210 = .08615 = .10220 = .11625 = .13030 = .13835 = .15340 = .17045 = .18850 = .19855 = .20960 = .21865 = .22370 = .23975 = .25480 = .27185 = .33186 = .344rest is under the grip.The second tip has the following #'s0 = .0515 = .06810 = .08415 = .09720 = .11025 = .12630 = .134 I never realized there were two diff tips until I pulled the rod out thismorning to check the #'s I had. I not sure how they compare castingbecauseit's 17 degrees out, there's 20"+ of snow outside and it's snowing again foranother 3-5". I' m not going out in my driveway to try casting this rod w/ adayglow colored flyline today. Kinda sounds like the start of a Bob Nunleystory. Payne 201 & 202, 8', 3 piece, Catalog listed as a DT-5 and a fast DT-6.You can find these # in Howells Pg. 54. But for those who don't haveHowell's yet here are the #'s. Each section measured from the butt, .006subtracted for varnish. Payne 201Butt0 = .3545 = .35410 = .35415 = .30420 = .28225 = .26830 = .25632 = .252 Mid0 = .2405 = .23410 = .22415 = .21320 = .20025 = .18830 = .17432 = .168 Tip0 = .1545 = .14210 = .13115 = .11920 = .10725 = .08830 = .06732 = .062 Payne 202Butt0 = 3445 = .34410 = .34415 = .29920 = .28625 = .26930 = .25932 = .254 Mid0 = .2405 = .23010 = .22415 = .21220 = .19925 = .18630 = .17432 = .168 Tip0 = .1585 = .15010 = .13815 = .12620 = .10825 = .09030 = .07432 = .064 Happy Holidays, Dennis P.S. Tony S. asked what the DF-5 or DF-6 ment in relation to line weights.The older Payne catalogs listed the line weight of a 200 as a light DF-4, thenew catalog from the new Payne company in Sisters, OR lists it as a lightDT-4. I'd guess that the old DF- designations were for double taper maybefloating lines??Anyone know for sure?? Reed? from jojo@ipa.net Wed Dec 20 18:21:01 2000 eBL0L1a06781 Subject: Re: Addesives This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C06AA4.4F8B8BA0 Tony, You will have to get Epon from Miller-Stephenson Chemical Co. Their main =office is in Danbury, CT; telephone 203-743-4447. They have offices in =Sylmar, CA; Morton Grove, IL; and Rexdale, Ontario, also. If you need =technical help ask for Janet Stephens. The web site for Epon resin = Martin-Darrell Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 5:51 PMSubject: Addesives Time to order new epoxy for rod sections, can't decide between Epon =& Nyatex , have been using Nyatex for first eight rods, I borowed from a =very helpful rod maker in my area, Any help to make a decison will help. =I have address for Nyatex but not for Epon,Thanks Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C06AA4.4F8B8BA0 Tony, You will= Epon from Miller-Stephenson Chemical Co. Their main office is in = telephone 203-743-4447. They have offices in Sylmar, CA; Morton Grove, = Rexdale, Ontario, also. If you need technical help ask for Janet = web site for Epon resin systems is now www.resins- Martin-Darrell ----- Original Message ----- URBANSKI Sent: Tuesday, December 19, = PMSubject: Addesives can't decide between Epon & Nyatex , have been using Nyatex for = eight rods, I borowed from a very helpful rod maker in my area, Any = Epon, Thanks Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C06AA4.4F8B8BA0-- from rcurry@ttlc.net Wed Dec 20 18:21:08 2000 eBL0L7a06786 Subject: Re: 1962 Voelker Article Rich,Thaks for the kind words.Some confusion here. I wrote an article for my "Articles" page whichincluded mention of, and a 1977 Fly Fisherman cover photo of, John Voelker.However, the extract on my "Extracts" page is from the original 1962 LIFEmagazine article which was expanded to "Anatomy of a Fisherman', which waslater summarized in Fly Fisherman. Whew... I'm dizzy.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Richard Colo wrote: Richard Colo wrote: Reed what a great article. Went to the draw and picked out the copy.Thumbed through it and ran into an article by Nick Lyons "The Things wedid Last Summer". On the facing page is a print by Churchill Ettingerthat is in my mud room. Never knew it. Will go in the den and get"Anatomy of a Fisherman" for bedtime....thanks, Rich reed curry wrote: John Voelker seems to have a good following on the list, so I put his1962 article from LIFE magazine on my website. I think we can all Happy Holidays. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Wed Dec 20 18:27:24 2000 eBL0RNa07166 TAA05412; Subject: Re: 1962 Voelker Article Reed...tell me you were the one that wrote the article comparing the frontcovers from the publications....? Rich reed curry wrote: Rich,Thaks for the kind words.Some confusion here. I wrote an article for my "Articles" page whichincluded mention of, and a 1977 Fly Fisherman cover photo of, JohnVoelker.However, the extract on my "Extracts" page is from the original 1962 LIFEmagazine article which was expanded to "Anatomy of a Fisherman', whichwaslater summarized in Fly Fisherman. Whew... I'm dizzy.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Richard Colo wrote: Richard Colo wrote: Reed what a great article. Went to the draw and picked out the copy.Thumbed through it and ran into an article by Nick Lyons "The Thingswedid Last Summer". On the facing page is a print by Churchill Ettingerthat is in my mud room. Never knew it. Will go in the den and get"Anatomy of a Fisherman" for bedtime....thanks, Rich reed curry wrote: John Voelker seems to have a good following on the list, so I put his1962 article from LIFE magazine on my website. I think we can all Happy Holidays. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from rcurry@ttlc.net Wed Dec 20 18:34:48 2000 eBL0Yla07457 Subject: Re: 1962 Voelker Article Rich,Gulp... yes, I'm guilty of all the articles in the "Articles" section.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Richard Colo wrote: Reed...tell me you were the one that wrote the article comparing the frontcovers from the publications....? Rich from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Dec 20 18:52:44 2000 eBL0qha08522 Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:52:34 -0800 Subject: Re: 1962 Voelker Article Oh Reed,Don't feel that way. Be proud of what you have done. It has been both abenefit and a blessing to many of us. Harry reed curry wrote: Rich,Gulp... yes, I'm guilty of all the articles in the "Articles" section.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Richard Colo wrote: Reed...tell me you were the one that wrote the article comparing thefrontcovers from the publications....? Rich --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from harms1@pa.net Wed Dec 20 19:06:45 2000 eBL16ia09217 Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:06:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Finish Aesthetics This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C06AC0.491434E0 I know that lots of guys allow threads ridges to show when they finish =their rods, but I could never decide if it was a matter of aesthetic =choice or just plain impatience with the process that dictated this =look. For myself, I like to see a rod that has each guide foot looking =smooth and perfectly shaped like a little piece of hard candy. The =process is lengthy and fussy (with eight or ten sanded coats--the last = A.J. is correct, I believe, when he suggests that the guides must be =varnished before the rod. For one thing, this is the only way to obtain =a perfectly smooth transition from cane to wrap. But, more importantly, = A.J. is also correct in stating that a minimum amount of varnish on a =rod is best. Two good coats of any high quality varnish will provide as =much resistance to moisture as one is going to obtain. But, because =most of us sand lightly between coats, three applications is the more = cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ Subject: Re: Finish Aesthetics From: James Piotrowski Subject: Finish AestheticsDate: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:34:02 -0700 Just shipped a rod I refinished for my brother and his wife. =Everytime Icome close to completing a refinish, I face the same difficult =aestheticdecision: how much varnish to apply to the wraps. Part of me wants = leavethe "grain" of the wraps visible, part of me wants to completely =cover themover. The practical side of me wins out, and I apply multiple coatsreasoning that at least that way I am unlikely to ever have to =re-wrap thatrod. Then I go look at photos of other current rodmakers work, and I =seethat they seem to be using a lot less varnish than me. Could you alldescribe what your finish looks like when your done and how you =accomplishit? I put three coats of spar on the 2/0 thread, then finish with two = varnish. the thread is just barely 'starved' Now for the IMHO part: Varnish contributes nothing to the usefulness of the rod past = it and the less you apply the better. Aesthetics are a personal thing = each rodbuilder though and you should strive to finish the rod so that = looks right to you. Not anyone else. I am also very suspicious of = the blank then adding guides on top of the resulting varnish, it would = to be an excellent way of obtaining an excellent finish coat but at = sacrifice to the integrity of the resulting product? In the = method you are bonding the guides and thread wrap directly to the cane = would seem to me to be a more structuraly sound method in the long = course i am still pinning my ferrules too! Just some of my thoughts on the subject in our open forum on = practices and techniques A.J. Thramer _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C06AC0.491434E0 I know that lotsof = threads ridges to show when they finish their rods, but I could never = I like to see a rod that has each guide = is lengthy and fussy (with eight or ten sanded coats--the last three = A.J. is correct, I= thing, this is the only way to obtain a perfectly smooth transition from cane= A.J. is also correct in = cheers, =Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click = Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/----- Original = From: "AllenThramer" = Sent:Wednesday, = 2000 4:01 PMSubject: Re: Aesthetics that at least that way I am unlikely to ever have to re-wrap = = seem to me to be a more structuraly sound method in the long run. Of = ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C06AC0.491434E0-- from piscator@macatawa.org Wed Dec 20 21:24:34 2000 eBL3OXa11223 Subject: Re: Finish Aesthetics This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C06AD3.F9689BC0 Was talking to Glenn Brackett the other day about a 7.5' lt. trout he is =refinishing for me. He said that they varnish the rod and then wrap and =finish the guides. I wish my rods had the following Winston's do, (I'll =be dead before that happens) so I'm thinking that it has alot to do with =your craftsmanship, regardless of the order that you finish the wraps. I still do my wraps first, by the way. Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C06AD3.F9689BC0 Was talking to GlennBrackett = the following Winston's do, (I'll be dead before happens) so I'm thinking that it has alot to do with your craftsmanship, = regardless of the order that you finish the wraps. I still do my wraps first, by= way. Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C06AD3.F9689BC0-- from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Dec 21 04:26:18 2000 eBLAQFa15470 eBLAQ8x67265; Subject: Re: Goober and Barney Organization: vet Martin Hope you have a Happy Christmas, and in the New Year may you have all thethings that you really want; and may you really want all the things that youhave! And the same to all of my friends on the list. Be happy, be healthy, be asgood as you can! With all the very best, Peter----- Original Message ----- ; "Tony Young" ; "IanKearney" ; "petermckean"; ;; "Kasi" ;;"Jerra" Subject: Goober and Barney To my friends across the Pond:This is only funny if you are familiar with the American TV program"Mayberry, RFD", a sitcom from back in the mid to late 60's. It is one ofthe classics. On the left is Goober Pyle and Deputy Barney Fife. On theright is Al Gore and Joe Liebermann. Amazing coincidence, don't you think? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- from jmpio@nhbm.com Thu Dec 21 09:12:58 2000 eBLFCva19174 Subject: re: Finish Aesthetics Sounds like I am generally trying to accomplish the same aesthetic effect asmany others. Which is reassuring. I know that aesthetic decisions shouldbe my own, guided by my own vision, but it is nonetheless reassuring to knowthat others share that vision (minor as it is). I don't get manyopportunities to see new or newly refinished cane rods. I am definitely ata point where I should just set down and do a test section that puts variousfinish techniques side-by-side for comparison. Thanks for your responses. from Canerods@aol.com Thu Dec 21 09:25:01 2000 eBLFP1a19772 Subject: Re: Addesives In a message dated 12/20/00 4:21:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,jojo@ipa.net writes: The office in Sylmar, CA is just a tiny place - not even computerized the last time I was there. Don Burns from Canerods@aol.com Thu Dec 21 09:25:28 2000 eBLFPSa19862 Subject: Re: The Canoe Fly In a message dated 12/17/00 2:56:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: Tony, I caught graylings in Slovenia on EHC's - seems to be a truly universal fly! Don Burns from dannyt@frisurf.no Thu Dec 21 10:36:18 2000 eBLGaGa22145 Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:36:06 +0100 (MET)User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: The Canoe Fly EHC is elkhair caddies? Dubbed body with rib, palmer hackle and pale elkhairas wing with the butts forming the head? Anyone tried the "Rackelhanen" caddies, polyyarn all over? Its my no.1 flyall over, I also make it with CDC body, wing and head. Merry Xmast to everybody. Best regardsdanny from Canerods@aol.com Thu Dec 21 13:01:37 2000 eBLJ1aa27253 Subject: Re: The Canoe Fly In a message dated 12/21/00 8:36:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, dannyt@frisurf.no writes: Danny, Try this url: http://www.tie-1-on.net/cadtm.htm Merry Christmas Don Burns from jcollier@siu.edu Thu Dec 21 14:22:39 2000 eBLKMca29659 Subject: equipment for sale sorry for this somewhat off topic post I've graduated college and taken a job that will end my bamboo rod building days. With that said I would like to sell all by equipment. If interested please drop me an e-mail thanksj.collierjcollier@siu.edu from rmcelvain@uswest.net Thu Dec 21 14:53:05 2000 eBLKr3a00920 oemcomputer.uswest.net) (63.230.4.102) Subject: Epon 826 Adhesive Bingham Products, an archery company makes available small mail order quantities (1-1/2 pints) of Epon 826 and Versamid 140 for a reasonable cost. The Epon 826 seems to be a low viscosity, neutral color, and can be used with a range of hardeners. Listed benefits of the Versamid 140 is room temperature cure, 2-1/2 hour pot life, 5 hours to tack free, 24 hour full cure time, and low viscosity.Questions, has anyone on the list used this adhesive combination and does it clean up with white vinegar?Thanks in advance for your help, I have also been lurking in the background fourth rod, Titebond II has been great but the working time is so short.Bob McElvain from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Dec 21 17:01:07 2000 eBLN16a04844 Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:00:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Epon 826 Adhesive Hi Bob,Yes, I've used that exact combination, from Bingham Products. I find thatthe resin-hardener mixture is a little thick for my liking. I'm just about outof it, and will buy something different next time.It does clean up quite nicely with vinegar. Harry Boyd Bob McElvain wrote: Bingham Products, an archery company makes available small mail orderquantities (1-1/2 pints) of Epon 826 and Versamid 140 for a reasonablecost. The Epon 826 seems to be a low viscosity, neutral color, and can beused with a range of hardeners. Listed benefits of the Versamid 140 isroom temperature cure, 2-1/2 hour pot life, 5 hours to tack free, 24hourfull cure time, and low viscosity.Questions, has anyone on the list used this adhesive combination and doesit clean up with white vinegar?Thanks in advance for your help, I have also been lurking in the background fourth rod, Titebond II has been great but the working time is so short.Bob McElvain --Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from dannyt@frisurf.no Thu Dec 21 17:35:55 2000 eBLNZsa05750 (MET)User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Rackelhanen OK, here it is its aSwedishsite, but if You scroll down You will find pictured tying sequence. Merry Christmast to all,danny from ChristopherO@epicimaging.com Thu Dec 21 18:34:44 2000 eBM0Yha06673 (5.5.2448.0) "'callrods@teleport.com'" ,"'businessnews@adelphia.net'" ,Ina Rutenberg,"'ovesned@chplink.chp.edu'","'digger4156@aol.com'" ,"'jflader@clarkpud.com'" ,"'gregg66@yahoo.com'","'hartzell@easystreet.com'","'jeffrey0@universalpromotions.com'","'canerods@bitterroot.net'","'GLohkamp@aol.com'" ,"'flyH20@sover.net'" ,"'annetteo@bbs.mtlebanon.k12.pa.us'","'nolansrus@aol.com'" ,"'ozeas@aol.com'","'pet_mail@wfubmc.edu'" ,"'rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu'" ,"'arotthoff@hotmail.com'" ,"'erotthoff@trip.com'","'Seltzer, Marc'" ,"'gl0bug@hotmail.com'" ,"'Gloria.Sudarma@alz.org'" Subject: new e-mail address Gloria has just informed me that my new e-mail address ischristophero@epicimaging.com Much of the e-mail that has beeen sent to the old addresschristophero@epircrad.com is beingbounced back.So if anyone wants to get a hold of me, please use the new address. Take care, y'all. chris from Grhghlndr@aol.com Thu Dec 21 19:07:49 2000 eBM17ma07369 Subject: Re: The Canoe Fly Don, Tony,I used EHC in Alaska and caught Grayling ans Rainbows. I think it will work anywhere we try it.Bret from edriddle@mindspring.com Thu Dec 21 19:20:53 2000 eBM1Kqa07710 Subject: Re: equipment for sale John:Congratulations upon your obtaining the degree, I'm just real sorry to hearthat you can no longer fit bamboo rod-building into your busy schedule. Ihope you've given it every consideration. I wish you the best.Regards,Ed ----- Original Message ----- Subject: equipment for sale sorry for this somewhat off topic post I've graduated college and taken a job that will end my bamboo rodbuildingdays. With that said I would like to sell all by equipment. If interested please drop me an e-mail thanksj.collierjcollier@siu.edu from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Thu Dec 21 19:48:09 2000 eBM1m8a08165 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Rackelhanen Hi Danny,Heading to the west coast ....will have that taper for you when I get back.There is a english version for the site...thanks, Rich Danny Twang wrote: OK, here it is its aSwedishsite, but if You scroll down You will find pictured tying sequence. Merry Christmast to all,danny from ctn45555@centurytel.net Thu Dec 21 23:44:17 2000 eBM5iGa10846 Organization: Smith & Boyd Subject: Node Staggering Thanks to all who responded to my recent question on rpm's needed forturning ferrule stations. I glued-up my first rod a couple of days agoand while the epoxy is drying, I've started getting the cane prepped formy 2nd rod and ran into a question on node staggering. For my 1st rod Iused a spiral stagger. That eats up too much cane for the culm I am nowworking on so I would like to use a 3x3 or 2x2x2 stagger. Some have saidthe 3x3 is somewhat weak due to the proximity of the nodes to eachother. I would appreciate any comments on the structural integrity ofthe 3x3 spacing. Also, the best (fewest nodes per section) spacing forthe culm I am working on would be to place the nodes 6 inches apart withthe 3x3 pattern and 2 inches apart with the 2x2x2 pattern. Is this farenough apart? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Chad S. Boyd from caneman@clnk.com Fri Dec 22 00:06:05 2000 eBM665a11318 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Node Staggering Chad,2x2 or 3x3 are both fine. I use 3x3 and have on over 200 rods, probablycloser to 250, and have never had a rod break at a "gathering" of the nodes,and I build some heavy rods that get a lot of bending pressure on big fish.I've heard the argument that 3x3 is weaker, but you can't prove it by me.Either looks fine, but if you miss centering the nodes on 2x2 it's hard tonotice... if you miss centering the nodes on each other using 3x3, even asixteenth of an inch or so, you see it, because you can see two nodes fromthe same side of the rod.On the same note, cane is the cheapest thing you'll use making a canerod. Don't worry about what little you waste doing a spiral, 2x2, 3x3,garrison stagger, etc., because it really isn't that much. On the highside, I guess a 12' culm could cost you $40 or so with shipping and all.You're reel seat will cost that much or more, set of ferrules that much, setof guides, almost that much if you use quality guides and an agate stripper,anywhere from 12 to 15 rings of cork at a $1.50 each (by the time youfinishculling the junk cork out)... then there's that varnish... I pay $85 agallon and have to drive 150 miles to get the kind I like, and your doingall this on a $300 to $800 set of planing forms across which you pushexpensive planes and scrapers, then bind the thing on a machine that costs asmall fortune for what it is, and putting anywhere from 30 to 60 hours ofblood, sweat and time into it (if you would sell your labor out for onlyhalf of the minumum wage, your labor cost would still be worth 5 times whatthe full culm of bamboo is worth)... considering all of that, wasting alittle bit of a piece of $40 cane isn't bad at all... Use the stagger thatappeals to you personally and don't worry about wasting that oversizedjungle weed. Later,Bob-----Original Message----- Subject: Node Staggering Thanks to all who responded to my recent question on rpm's needed forturning ferrule stations. I glued-up my first rod a couple of days agoand while the epoxy is drying, I've started getting the cane prepped formy 2nd rod and ran into a question on node staggering. For my 1st rod Iused a spiral stagger. That eats up too much cane for the culm I am nowworking on so I would like to use a 3x3 or 2x2x2 stagger. Some have saidthe 3x3 is somewhat weak due to the proximity of the nodes to eachother. I would appreciate any comments on the structural integrity ofthe 3x3 spacing. Also, the best (fewest nodes per section) spacing forthe culm I am working on would be to place the nodes 6 inches apart withthe 3x3 pattern and 2 inches apart with the 2x2x2 pattern. Is this farenough apart? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Chad S. Boyd from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Dec 22 11:34:39 2000 eBMHYca20820 Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:31:15 -0600 Subject: Re: Node Staggering PHY seemed to use 3 x 3 too ! GMA from harms1@pa.net Fri Dec 22 17:37:59 2000 eBMNbwa28327 Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:37:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Node Staggering All, Bob's right about this node staggering business. Frankly, I think that thepractical (felt) effect of one method over the other is nothing but a can o'worms! I happen to use the spiral method on all my rods just because itseems fussier and more extravagant--also, because I just like the visualeffect. It is sometimes said that a node is the weakest point in a strip because thelong, straight fibres are suddenly interrupted into a little twisted knot.But I say, BUNK.! On the contrary, a node may well turn out to be thestrip's strongest point. Have you ever tried to bend an individual strippast its breaking point? It is never the node that gives up the fightfirst. As far as the spiral method of staggering being more wasteful is concerned,well, it is! It is the most wasteful of all the methods of node staggering.But, so what, I say. I mean, what were you planning to do with the extra6-8 inches you might have saved at the end of a strip anyway? When I cuta 12 foot culm in half, each half yields about 20 six-foot strips, and theseenable me to build any two-piece rod I wish up to eight feet, regardless ofthe method of staggering. The "waste" at the end of a strip is wasteanyway, and besides, if I want a rod over eight feet I always go to athree-piece rod. So, just forget the great debate about principles of node staggering, buildwhat pleases you, and happily fish out your days. cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Node Staggering Chad,2x2 or 3x3 are both fine. I use 3x3 and have on over 200 rods,probablycloser to 250, and have never had a rod break at a "gathering" of thenodes,and I build some heavy rods that get a lot of bending pressure on bigfish.I've heard the argument that 3x3 is weaker, but you can't prove it by me.Either looks fine, but if you miss centering the nodes on 2x2 it's hard tonotice... if you miss centering the nodes on each other using 3x3, even asixteenth of an inch or so, you see it, because you can see two nodes fromthe same side of the rod.On the same note, cane is the cheapest thing you'll use making a canerod. Don't worry about what little you waste doing a spiral, 2x2, 3x3,garrison stagger, etc., because it really isn't that much. On the highside, I guess a 12' culm could cost you $40 or so with shipping and all.You're reel seat will cost that much or more, set of ferrules that much,setof guides, almost that much if you use quality guides and an agatestripper,anywhere from 12 to 15 rings of cork at a $1.50 each (by the time youfinishculling the junk cork out)... then there's that varnish... I pay $85 agallon and have to drive 150 miles to get the kind I like, and your doingall this on a $300 to $800 set of planing forms across which you pushexpensive planes and scrapers, then bind the thing on a machine that costsasmall fortune for what it is, and putting anywhere from 30 to 60 hours ofblood, sweat and time into it (if you would sell your labor out for onlyhalf of the minumum wage, your labor cost would still be worth 5 timeswhatthe full culm of bamboo is worth)... considering all of that, wasting alittle bit of a piece of $40 cane isn't bad at all... Use the staggerthatappeals to you personally and don't worry about wasting that oversizedjungle weed. Later,Bob-----Original Message-----From: Amy & Chad Date: Thursday, December 21, 2000 11:44 PMSubject: Node Staggering Thanks to all who responded to my recent question on rpm's needed forturning ferrule stations. I glued-up my first rod a couple of days agoand while the epoxy is drying, I've started getting the cane prepped formy 2nd rod and ran into a question on node staggering. For my 1st rod Iused a spiral stagger. That eats up too much cane for the culm I am nowworking on so I would like to use a 3x3 or 2x2x2 stagger. Some have saidthe 3x3 is somewhat weak due to the proximity of the nodes to eachother. I would appreciate any comments on the structural integrity ofthe 3x3 spacing. Also, the best (fewest nodes per section) spacing forthe culm I am working on would be to place the nodes 6 inches apart withthe 3x3 pattern and 2 inches apart with the 2x2x2 pattern. Is this farenough apart? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Chad S. Boyd from jaqfoll@worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 22 18:04:32 2000 eBN04Wa28847 ;Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:04:28 +0000 , Subject: Re: Node Staggering Orvis also used 3X3 on their rods. Jack from cadams46@juno.com Fri Dec 22 18:40:26 2000 eBN0eQa29491 19:40:10 EST Subject: 9 Footer Well you guys haven't led me wrong yet. The Pual Young Little Ike andthe Payne 201 were right on the money. 2 fine casting tapers. I wouldbe interested if anyone had some suggestions on a 9 foot fly rodperferably 3 piece and a 5-6wt, good for our western rivers and trouthere in Utah. Right now I am looking at the tapers for either the Payne206 or the rod listed as the Granger Unknown. Thank-you greatly inadvance.Sincerely, C.R. Adams from darrell@rockclimbing.org Fri Dec 22 19:24:14 2000 eBN1ODa00067 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Node Staggering rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu I just got in a PHY spinning rod that has 2x2x2 node staggering... Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Node Staggering PHY seemed to use 3 x 3 too ! GMA from roseleaf@moscow.com Fri Dec 22 19:57:37 2000 eBN1vaa00565 Subject: spinning tapers? I have built several graphite rods and am just beginning to research whatgoes into building a bamboo rod, so I am still quit novice. My main fishinginterests lay in ultralight spinning gear for trout and some casting gear is where might I be able to find a source or sources that dealt with tappersand other related info pertaining to spinning and/or casting rods.If anyone may be able point me in the right direction I would be mostapprecieative.Thanks, Lars Rosenblad. from flatsfishr@home.com Fri Dec 22 21:14:19 2000 eBN3EJa01319 0800 Subject: oven I am just getting into this and have pretty well everything except anoven.The type I'm interested in is heated with a heat gun. Reason for this is Ido not want an open flame in my basement. Anybody with any plans orknowswhere I can link to plans for same please let me know. Saw the one on thissite but am looking for others to compare before I build. This is my firstquery in this forum as I joined ten minutes ago. I live near Toronto,Ontario, so if any body nearby is using a heat gun oven would love to seeitor hear comments. Thanks Keith Weeks. from Lazybee45@aol.com Fri Dec 22 22:33:14 2000 eBN4XEa01789 Subject: razor plane Ray Gould just sent me some bamboo to practice on (Thanks Ray!) I have his book too and it is a good one for information. In any case, I was doing a little testing with a large thick bladed hunting type knife for splitting. It seems to be pretty good for the job, the blade is fairly wide and has a thick, heavy handle. it splits the cane very easilyMy question is should I start on the end and work down or in the middle and work out?I also tried using my Master Airscrew razor plane on the cane pieces. It SEEMS to work very well. This is one that I have been using on model airplanes for many years. It is designed for cutting balsa, which is a very soft wood and tears easily.The plane is VERY cheesy looking. Glass filled Nylon. I have been using the same one for several years now and it still works very well. Also easy to adjust. Darn things seem to last forever. I tried it on the Bamboo I had and it really worked well. it pared tiny shavings of material off that were nearly transparent. The blade is adjustable with two screws that move the blade out for a deeper cut. I tried both directions on several sections of the cane and it didn't seem to want to dig in and tear anywhere.Best of all is the price of these little jems. Tower Hobbies has them Master Airscrew Razor Plane ) and blades for about $2 for a package of3 or 4 (I think) it comes with one and I have changed mine ONCE in about 10 years. I use it a lot too.Personally i would look around at the local Hobby emporium that caters to Radio Control model airplanes or possibly model Railroads. The thing is a Razor Plane made by Master Airscrew, a division of Windsor Propellor co. This is not an advertisement of any kind. I have absolutely no connection with tower, MA or WP companies. Heck at the price, it is a good thing to at least try. Let me know how it works for you. I will be trying it on my work on the rods I build.mark Garvey The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. ~ A.Einstein from seanmcs@ar.com.au Fri Dec 22 23:42:26 2000 eBN5gPa02065 +1100 Subject: Snowwhite and the seven dwarfs Hi list: I am receiving multiple messages with the above title, with ateasing message to invite opening an attachment. As this seems mightysuspicious, I am naturally not opening anything. Just thought I wouldpass that along as an alert in case of it being a new infection. MerryChristmas all! Sean from teekay35@interlynx.net Sat Dec 23 01:57:01 2000 eBN7v0a02754 ,, Subject: Re: Node Staggering I've noticed that when straightening a glued up section (I've never had oneperfectly straight!) the "kink" is almost always on or very near a nodegroup. Perhaps because of the node stiffness or resistance presented bythe nodes? I use a 2x2 pattern most of the time, but have triedeverything. Also, I have just finished a rod made entirely of left over strips. Its athree piece rod and 10 or 12 culms are represented in it. The onlyconsideration given to node spacing was to make sure no two nodes wereadjacent to each other. The rod casts well and the tip tracks as straightas any other rod I've made.----------From: Darrell Lee rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Node StaggeringDate: Friday, December 22, 2000 3:51 PM I just got in a PHY spinning rod that has 2x2x2 node staggering... Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 9:41 AM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Node Staggering PHY seemed to use 3 x 3 too ! GMA from channer1@rmi.net Sat Dec 23 02:53:33 2000 eBN8rWa02972 Subject: Re: Epon 826 Adhesive Harry Boyd wrote: Hi Bob,Yes, I've used that exact combination, from Bingham Products. I findthatthe resin-hardener mixture is a little thick for my liking. I'm just about outof it, and will buy something different next time.It does clean up quite nicely with vinegar. Harry Boyd Harry;Just thin it with a few drops of lacquer thinner, works fine. DON"T useacetone unless you heat treat after gluing or don't mind waiting a weekor so for it to cure.John from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Dec 23 05:51:21 2000 eBNBpKa03882 Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:34:27 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: oven Kieth,to bad I didn't know about you a week ago or more. I just returned fromBorden, Ontario (45 minutes north of you) I was there for 4 months and hada lotof Bamboo tools, rod making books/info, and even some spare bamboo thatdidn'tmake the trip home to Nova Scotia. I would have loved to had some bamboobuilding company while I was there.As for the oven, I and several others on here have had good luck withFrank Neuneman's vertical heat gun oven. Mine is slightly modified from hisoriginal. I can't recall his sites address but if you can't find it by searchinghis name let me know and I will find it, I have it here somewhere! Welcome tothe club fellow Canadian!Shawn Pineo KeithW wrote: I am just getting into this and have pretty well everything except anoven.The type I'm interested in is heated with a heat gun. Reason for this is Ido not want an open flame in my basement. Anybody with any plans orknowswhere I can link to plans for same please let me know. Saw the one onthissite but am looking for others to compare before I build. This is my firstquery in this forum as I joined ten minutes ago. I live near Toronto,Ontario, so if any body nearby is using a heat gun oven would love to seeitor hear comments. Thanks Keith Weeks. from dannyt@frisurf.no Sat Dec 23 06:49:44 2000 eBNCnha04317 +0100 (MET)User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: oven Kieth, Welcom to the bamboo mania! Try this URL for Frank http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/FNeunemann/ Merry Christmast,danny from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Dec 23 07:27:50 2000 eBNDRna04632 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Merry Christmas!!! A true tale :^) --------------91F2CA9308435069BFE323DF `Twas The Night Before Christmas `Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the townNot a creature was stirring, not even a brown;The rods were all hung by the chimney with care,In hopes that the new season soon would be there; The troutbums were nestled in their beds,While visions of new reels danced in their heads;And mamma in her waders, and I in my vest,Had just settled down for a long winters rest, When out on the stream there arose such a clatter,I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter.Away to the window I flew like a flash,Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash. The moon on the breast of the new fallen snowGave the lustre of mid-day to objects below,When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,But a float tube, pulled by eight huge trout, With a little old driver, so lively and insane,I knew in a moment it must be St. Wayne.More rapid than a Morgan handmill, his coursers they came,And he flamed, and split, and called them by name; Now CURRY! Now THRAMER! Now BOGART and TWANG!On,NUNLEY! On NALDRETT, On GOULD and VENNERI!To the top of the pool ! To the foot of the falls!Now dash away! Dash away! Dash away all! As dry flies that before the wild hurricane fly,When they meet with a rapids, mount to the sky,So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,With the tube full of goodies, and St. Wayne too. And then in a twinkling, I heard up on the tinThe prancing and flopping of each little fin.As I drew in my head, and was turning around,Down the chimney St. Wayne came with a bound. He was all dressed in neoprene, from his head to footAnd his waders were all tarnished with fish slime and soot;A bundle of rods he had flung on his back,And he looked like Paul Young just opening his pack. His eyesHow they twinkled! His fly patch how merry!His cheeks were like a cutthroats, his nose like a cherry!His little rod was bent over like a bow,And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow; The stump of a cigar he held tight in his teeth,And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;He had a balding head and a little beer belly,That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly. He was covered in shavings, a right jolly old elf,And I laughed when I saw him in spite of myself;A wink of his eye and a twist of his thread,Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread; He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,He filed all the nodes; then turned with a jerk,And laying his finger aside of his nose,And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose; He sprang to his tube, to his team gave a whistle,And away they all swam, like an exocet missile.But heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,"HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!" MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!!Shawn Pineo --------------91F2CA9308435069BFE323DF `Twas The Night Before Christmas`Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the townNot a creature was stirring, not even a brown;The rods were all hung by the chimney with care,In hopes that the new season soon would be there;The troutbums were nestled in their beds,While visions of new reels danced in their heads;And mamma in her waders, and I in my vest,Had just settled down for a long winters rest,When out on the stream there arose such a clatter,I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter.Away to the window I flew like a flash,Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.The moon on the breast of the new fallen snowGave the lustre of mid-day to objects below,When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,But a float tube, pulled by eight huge trout, With a little old driver, so lively and insane,I knew in a moment it must be St. Wayne.More rapid than a Morgan handmill, his coursers they came,And he flamed, and split, and called them by name;Now CURRY! Now THRAMER! Now BOGART and TWANG!On,NUNLEY! On NALDRETT, On GOULD and VENNERI!To the top of the pool ! To the foot of the falls!Now dash away! Dash away! Dash away all!As dry flies that before the wild hurricane fly,When they meet with a rapids, mount to the sky,So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,With the tube full of goodies, and St. Wayne too.And then in a twinkling, I heard up on the tinThe prancing and flopping of each little fin.As I drew in my head, and was turning around,Down the chimney St. Wayne came with a bound.He was all dressed in neoprene, from his head to footAnd his waders were all tarnished with fish slime and soot;A bundle of rods he had flung on his back,And he looked like Paul Young just opening his pack.His eyesHow they twinkled! His fly patch how merry!His cheeks were like a cutthroats, his nose like a cherry! And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow;The stump of a cigar he held tight in his teeth,And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;He had a balding head and a little beer belly,That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly.He was covered in shavings, a right jolly old elf,And I laughed when I saw him in spite of myself;A wink of his eye and a twist of his thread,Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,He filed all the nodes; then turned with a jerk, And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;He sprang to his tube, to his team gave a whistle,And away they all swam, like an exocet missile.But heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,"HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL A GOOD- NIGHT!"MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!! Shawn Pineo --------------91F2CA9308435069BFE323DF-- from jteft@frontiernet.net Sat Dec 23 08:26:18 2000 eBNEQIa06461 claiming to be "jteft" 2000 Subject: Seasons Greetings This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C06CC2.270A1000 Seasons Greeting to all our Friends on the Rdmakers List.Jim and Pat Tefft ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C06CC2.270A1000 Seasons Greeting to all ourFriends = Rdmakers List.Jim and Pat =Tefft ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C06CC2.270A1000-- from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Sat Dec 23 08:26:49 2000 eBNEQma06533 Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:26:45 +0000 Subject: Re: spinning tapers? Chritine,We are just about to set off for our Xmas vacation but I have managed tocollect several bait casting and spinning rod tapers from fellow listmembers this last year.On my return ( at the back of next week I hope !)I will gladly send you them....regards.....Paul christine nelson wrote: I have built several graphite rods and am just beginning to research whatgoes into building a bamboo rod, so I am still quit novice. My main fishinginterests lay in ultralight spinning gear for trout and some casting gear is where might I be able to find a source or sources that dealt with tappersand other related info pertaining to spinning and/or casting rods.If anyone may be able point me in the right direction I would be mostapprecieative.Thanks, Lars Rosenblad. from darrell@rockclimbing.org Sat Dec 23 11:09:24 2000 eBNH9Oa08078 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: spinning tapers? I have a few bamboo spinning rods... I'll have to take some time after xmasand measure them and post them... I have a Heddon, PH Young, Uslan,Edwards,Edwards Quad (I think) and several others that I can't think of right now... As far as ultralight, my heddon is probably got the lightest action. Is anyone building cane casting rods? Seems with all the whoopla about bassfishing, maybe there's a market for more than an Ugly Stick... I havecasting rods by Leonard, Payne, G. Granger, Landman, Heddon... I have onethat is driving me bonkers... It is the best quality metal work I've seenbut I cannot identify it... I was looking for a rod someone wanted to buy and couldn't find it but itreminded me of all these neat rods I do have... Blast... I still haven'tfound the rod yet... Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- Subject: spinning tapers? I have built several graphite rods and am just beginning to research whatgoes into building a bamboo rod, so I am still quit novice. My main fishinginterests lay in ultralight spinning gear for trout and some casting gear is where might I be able to find a source or sources that dealt with tappersand other related info pertaining to spinning and/or casting rods.If anyone may be able point me in the right direction I would be mostapprecieative.Thanks, Lars Rosenblad. from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Sat Dec 23 11:14:53 2000 eBNHEqa08301 Subject: Re: Merry Christmas!!! A true tale :^) Outstanding Job , appartnetly you have more than one talent from bob@downandacross.com Sat Dec 23 15:32:50 2000 eBNLWna10797 Subject: Test-please delete mag almost doneBob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com from rmcelvain@uswest.net Sat Dec 23 18:39:40 2000 eBO0dda12208 oemcomputer.uswest.net) (63.230.4.102) Subject: Re: 9 Footer The first rod I made was a Wayne Cattanach taper, 8 foot, 2 pc, 6 wt. Great taper and a pleasure to fish with on the Green River, even on a windy day. The weather was October cold and windy and most of the day I fished with a strike indicator and two nymphs. Toward the end of the day I switched to a size 6 cicada pattern with a dropper, the rod handled all that heavy gear with ease. The guide had never cast a bamboo, he took mine and with a couple of false casts emptied the line off the reel. When he did the double haul, false casting with all that line in the air, I was sure the rod was going to blow up, but Titebond held everything together. You would not be disappointed with this taper.Best regards, Bob McElvain At 05:41 PM 12/22/00 -0700, you wrote:Well you guys haven't led me wrong yet. The Pual Young Little Ike andthe Payne 201 were right on the money. 2 fine casting tapers. I wouldbe interested if anyone had some suggestions on a 9 foot fly rodperferably 3 piece and a 5-6wt, good for our western rivers and trouthere in Utah. Right now I am looking at the tapers for either the Payne206 or the rod listed as the Granger Unknown. Thank-you greatly inadvance.Sincerely,C.R. Adams from troutchaser@home.com Sat Dec 23 20:22:59 2000 eBO2Mwa12980 Subject: Orvis rod information? Help!! A friend of mine has recently come into acquiring 2 Orvis bamboorods and asked some questions. The first looks to be completely original and comes with the originaltube and bag. The tube reads Orvis Midge Special 3oz 7'6" HEG(5). Ithas maroon wraps and is a 2/2. It has a nice feeling cigar shapedhandle with an all cork reel seat and double slide bands. Thehandwriting on the rod reads: Orvis Impregnated Midge 7 1/2' 3ozHEG(5). I have searched the value sites and cannot find any referenceto an Orvis Midge in this weight. Has my friend come across something special or is this so common that itis not documented anywhere? The second has no markings. The previous owner says that it is aFar&Fine and it is a 7' for a 3weight. It has maroon wraps as well anda uplocking reel seat with wood filler. Looks to be original as well.My friend really doesn't have any question regarding this rod other thanvalue. I will be measuring these rods if anyone is interested in the tapers. Thanks in advance to the list. ....ron Ron Elder from horsesho@ptd.net Sun Dec 24 04:50:31 2000 eBOAoVa15873 0000 Organization: ProLog Subject: Re: Orvis rod information? Hi Ron, Orvis made tons of rods over the years and the "Midge" was oneof there models from the '60s-70s. I at one time owned one. All orvisrods EXCEPT for the ultra short models such as the Five Nine Ultralite,The 5' Mitey-Mite, and the 1 pc. 6' Superfine are worth in the area of$500. The reason being the market is saturated and to a lesser extentthat there impregnated. The Far & Fine model (which I never heard of incane) is probably a Kit rod and is worth around $300. Marty Help!! A friend of mine has recently come into acquiring 2 Orvis bamboorods and asked some questions. The first looks to be completely original and comes with the originaltube and bag. The tube reads Orvis Midge Special 3oz 7'6" HEG(5). Ithas maroon wraps and is a 2/2. It has a nice feeling cigar shapedhandle with an all cork reel seat and double slide bands. Thehandwriting on the rod reads: Orvis Impregnated Midge 7 1/2' 3ozHEG(5). I have searched the value sites and cannot find any referenceto an Orvis Midge in this weight. Has my friend come across something special or is this so common that itis not documented anywhere? The second has no markings. The previous owner says that it is aFar&Fine and it is a 7' for a 3weight. It has maroon wraps as well anda uplocking reel seat with wood filler. Looks to be original as well.My friend really doesn't have any question regarding this rod other thanvalue. I will be measuring these rods if anyone is interested in the tapers. Thanks in advance to the list. ....ron Ron Elder from horsesho@ptd.net Sun Dec 24 06:37:58 2000 eBOCbva16504 Organization: ProLog Subject: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 Hi All, Here is a taper from a Leonard 36H/37H for you short rod nuts(as I am). I have seen this 6' 2pc. model marked 36H or 37H. I have beentold by an ex. Leonard employee that the salesman in the retail storeswould fill out the hanging tag as the rods were sold so many aremismarked. This rod was made in the 1950's and is sweet.A much nicerfishing tool than the 36L which at 1 oz is very impractical. This rodhandles a #3 very nicely. Measurments are over varnish. DEDUCT .003 Butt Tip00" .148 .06405 .166 .07310 .176 .08615 .189 .09720 .200 .11125 .209 .12530 ( .223 at 28 3/4") .13535 start of grip .144 Guide spacingButt Tip1 5/8" 4 7/8"8 3/4" 9 3/4"16 3/8" stripper 14 3/4"20"25 1/4"30 5/8"4 1/2" Grip 3 1/8" Butternut C&R seat Enjoy, Marty from horsesho@ptd.net Sun Dec 24 06:43:43 2000 eBOChga16679 0000 Organization: ProLog Subject: Merry Christmas Hi All, I would like to wish all Christain listmembers a Very MerryChristmas. Remember whose birthday it is! A person who by trade was awoodworker as we are. from zimmer@adams.net Sun Dec 24 06:54:01 2000 eBOCs1a16938 0000 Subject: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C06D76.ED302DA0 ------=_NextPart_001_004C_01C06D76.ED302DA0 MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND MY HOPE FOR THE NEW YEAR OF PEACE, =PROSPERITY, AND HAPPINESS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!----------------------- ----------------------------------------------Randy Zimmermanzimmer@adams.netZimmerman Bros., Since 1915www.zimmermanbros.com ------=_NextPart_001_004C_01C06D76.ED302DA0 MERRY = YOU AND MY HOPE FOR THE NEW YEAR OF PEACE, PROSPERITY, ANDHAPPINESS FOR = YOUR FAMILY!----------------------------------------------------------------= Bros., Since 1915www.zimmermanbros.com ------=_NextPart_001_004C_01C06D76.ED302DA0-- ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C06D76.ED302DA0 name="Randy Zimmerman.vcf" filename="Randy Zimmerman.vcf" BEGIN:VCARDVERSION:2.1N:Zimmerman;RandallFN:Randy ZimmermanORG:Zimmerman Bros., Inc.TEL;WORK;VOICE:217-285- 2196ADR;WORK:;;118 N. Monroe;Pittsfield;Il.;62363LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED- PRINTABLE:118 N. =Monroe=3D0D=3D0APittsfield, Il. 62363URL:URL:http://www.zimmermanbros.comEMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:zimmer@adams.netREV:20001224T125831ZEND:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C06D76.ED302DA0-- from pumpkin10@prodigy.net Sun Dec 24 07:12:28 2000 eBODCSa17265 eBODCSZ226558;Sun, 24 Dec 2000 08:12:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 MartyThanks for Leonard taper, just what I have been looking for, Apicture would be a great help if you ever get time, Thanks Tony pumpkin10@prodigy.net ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 Hi All, Here is a taper from a Leonard 36H/37H for you short rod nuts(as I am). I have seen this 6' 2pc. model marked 36H or 37H. I have beentold by an ex. Leonard employee that the salesman in the retail storeswould fill out the hanging tag as the rods were sold so many aremismarked. This rod was made in the 1950's and is sweet.A much nicerfishing tool than the 36L which at 1 oz is very impractical. This rodhandles a #3 very nicely.Measurments are over varnish. DEDUCT .003 Butt Tip00" .148 .06405 .166 .07310 .176 .08615 .189 .09720 .200 .11125 .209 .12530 ( .223 at 28 3/4") .13535 start of grip .144 Guide spacingButt Tip1 5/8" 4 7/8"8 3/4" 9 3/4"16 3/8" stripper 14 3/4"20"25 1/4"30 5/8"4 1/2" Grip 3 1/8" Butternut C&R seat Enjoy, Marty from harms1@pa.net Sun Dec 24 08:38:17 2000 eBOEcGa18271 Sun, 24 Dec 2000 09:38:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 All, I can understand how one might confuse the tagging of a 36L and a 36H, buthow do you confuse either of these with a 37H? The 37H is a 6 1/2 foot rod. cheers, Bill-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 MartyThanks for Leonard taper, just what I have been looking for, Apicture would be a great help if you ever get time, Thanks Tony pumpkin10@prodigy.net ----- Original Message -----From: marty Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 6:33 AMSubject: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 Hi All, Here is a taper from a Leonard 36H/37H for you short rod nuts(as I am). I have seen this 6' 2pc. model marked 36H or 37H. I have beentold by an ex. Leonard employee that the salesman in the retail storeswould fill out the hanging tag as the rods were sold so many aremismarked. This rod was made in the 1950's and is sweet.A much nicerfishing tool than the 36L which at 1 oz is very impractical. This rodhandles a #3 very nicely.Measurments are over varnish. DEDUCT .003 Butt Tip00" .148 .06405 .166 .07310 .176 .08615 .189 .09720 .200 .11125 .209 .12530 ( .223 at 28 3/4") .13535 start of grip .144 Guide spacingButt Tip1 5/8" 4 7/8"8 3/4" 9 3/4"16 3/8" stripper 14 3/4"20"25 1/4"30 5/8"4 1/2" Grip 3 1/8" Butternut C&R seat Enjoy, Marty from if6were9@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 24 09:08:24 2000 eBOF8Oa18577 Subject: Re: spinning tapers? I've been dealing with hard-core bass anglers for many years, and with fewexceptions they have no real interest in hand built rods of any kind. JohnnyMorris and Co. have done too good a job convincing these folks that the onlything that will do the job for them is whatever the latest and greatestoffering from BassPro is. Tournament style bass anglers routinely sell their gearafterusing it for a single season (usually at a huge loss) to make way for whateverthe marketing department at the big name houses tell them is the "musthave"gear, which changes every year. Sadly, tournament style bass fishing hasrendered most gear incidental to the user. They don't care who makes it, aslong as it's new and endorsed by a pro at the top of the heap. The truth in allof this is that the average tournament style bass angler can't tell thedifference between a fine casting tool and the current special from the localAll-Mart. Another disturbing aspect of the "latest and greatest" syndrome ishow it is making it's way in to fly fishing. Not too many years ago it was abig deal when a major (plastic) fly rod manufacturer introduced a newadditionto their lineup, now it has become (at least) a yearly routine for them. Darrell Lee wrote: I have a few bamboo spinning rods... I'll have to take some time after xmasand measure them and post them... I have a Heddon, PH Young, Uslan,Edwards,Edwards Quad (I think) and several others that I can't think of right now... As far as ultralight, my heddon is probably got the lightest action. Is anyone building cane casting rods? Seems with all the whoopla aboutbassfishing, maybe there's a market for more than an Ugly Stick... I havecasting rods by Leonard, Payne, G. Granger, Landman, Heddon... I have onethat is driving me bonkers... It is the best quality metal work I've seenbut I cannot identify it... I was looking for a rod someone wanted to buy and couldn't find it but itreminded me of all these neat rods I do have... Blast... I still haven'tfound the rod yet... Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 2:54 PM Subject: spinning tapers? I have built several graphite rods and am just beginning to research whatgoes into building a bamboo rod, so I am still quit novice. My main fishinginterests lay in ultralight spinning gear for trout and some casting gear is where might I be able to find a source or sources that dealt with tappersand other related info pertaining to spinning and/or casting rods.If anyone may be able point me in the right direction I would be mostapprecieative.Thanks, Lars Rosenblad. from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Dec 24 09:17:43 2000 eBOFHga18857 Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:17:36 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 Anyone have any idea as to what designation the Leonard 6'6" 3 wt on page53 ofJack Howell's book is?? I'm GUESSING its a 37 H or L??? Anyone have any Shawn WILLIAM HARMS wrote: All, I can understand how one might confuse the tagging of a 36L and a 36H,buthow do you confuse either of these with a 37H? The 37H is a 6 1/2 footrod. cheers, Bill-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message -----From: "DARLENE URBANSKI" Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 8:52 AMSubject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 MartyThanks for Leonard taper, just what I have been looking for, Apicture would be a great help if you ever get time, Thanks Tony pumpkin10@prodigy.net ----- Original Message -----From: marty Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 6:33 AMSubject: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 Hi All, Here is a taper from a Leonard 36H/37H for you short rod nuts(as I am). I have seen this 6' 2pc. model marked 36H or 37H. I havebeentold by an ex. Leonard employee that the salesman in the retail storeswould fill out the hanging tag as the rods were sold so many aremismarked. This rod was made in the 1950's and is sweet.A much nicerfishing tool than the 36L which at 1 oz is very impractical. This rodhandles a #3 very nicely.Measurments are over varnish. DEDUCT .003 Butt Tip00" .148 .06405 .166 .07310 .176 .08615 .189 .09720 .200 .11125 .209 .12530 ( .223 at 28 3/4") .13535 start of grip .144 Guide spacingButt Tip1 5/8" 4 7/8"8 3/4" 9 3/4"16 3/8" stripper 14 3/4"20"25 1/4"30 5/8"4 1/2" Grip 3 1/8" Butternut C&R seat Enjoy, Marty from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Dec 24 09:26:28 2000 eBOFQRa19095 Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:26:25 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 think and Iseem to have lost it if anyone still has that message or the taper could youpleaseforward it to me, I have been looking for that taper for quite some time now,Thanks, Shawn Shawn Pineo wrote: Anyone have any idea as to what designation the Leonard 6'6" 3 wt on page53 ofJack Howell's book is?? I'm GUESSING its a 37 H or L??? Anyone have any Shawn WILLIAM HARMS wrote: All, I can understand how one might confuse the tagging of a 36L and a 36H,buthow do you confuse either of these with a 37H? The 37H is a 6 1/2 footrod. cheers, Bill-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message -----From: "DARLENE URBANSKI" Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 8:52 AMSubject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 MartyThanks for Leonard taper, just what I have been looking for, Apicture would be a great help if you ever get time, Thanks Tony pumpkin10@prodigy.net ----- Original Message -----From: marty Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 6:33 AMSubject: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 Hi All, Here is a taper from a Leonard 36H/37H for you short rodnuts(as I am). I have seen this 6' 2pc. model marked 36H or 37H. I havebeentold by an ex. Leonard employee that the salesman in the retailstoreswould fill out the hanging tag as the rods were sold so many aremismarked. This rod was made in the 1950's and is sweet.A muchnicerfishing tool than the 36L which at 1 oz is very impractical. This rodhandles a #3 very nicely.Measurments are over varnish. DEDUCT .003 Butt Tip00" .148 .06405 .166 .07310 .176 .08615 .189 .09720 .200 .11125 .209 .12530 ( .223 at 28 3/4") .13535 start of grip .144 Guide spacingButt Tip1 5/8" 4 7/8"8 3/4" 9 3/4"16 3/8" stripper 14 3/4"20"25 1/4"30 5/8"4 1/2" Grip 3 1/8" Butternut C&R seat Enjoy, Marty from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sun Dec 24 11:11:22 2000 eBOHBMa20047 eBOHBLm17920; Subject: Re: Orvis rod information? On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Ron Elder wrote: Help!! A friend of mine has recently come into acquiring 2 Orvis bamboorods and asked some questions. The first looks to be completely original and comes with the originaltube and bag. The tube reads Orvis Midge Special 3oz 7'6" HEG(5). Ithas maroon wraps and is a 2/2. It has a nice feeling cigar shapedhandle with an all cork reel seat and double slide bands. Thehandwriting on the rod reads: Orvis Impregnated Midge 7 1/2' 3ozHEG(5). I have searched the value sites and cannot find any referenceto an Orvis Midge in this weight. Has my friend come across something special or is this so common that itis not documented anywhere? Hi Ron, There is an Orvis Midge on eBay at the moment. Just do a search and youwill find it. This will also give you an idea of what folks are willingto spend. Regards, Bobflysupplies@yahoo.comhttp://flysupplies.homepage.com from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Dec 24 11:24:40 2000 eBOHOda20294 2000 09:24:36 PST Subject: Re: Orvis rod information? bob, i'm not sure what it tells me. :-) i wasn'taware paul young made impregnated rods for orvis. timothy There is an Orvis Midge on eBay at the moment. Justdo a search and youwill find it. This will also give you an idea ofwhat folks are willingto spend. Regards, Bobflysupplies@yahoo.comhttp://flysupplies.homepage.com ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from caneman@clnk.com Sun Dec 24 11:56:21 2000 eBOHuLa20688 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: Orvis rod information? Guys,Unless there is a new discovery in rodmaking history out there, I thinkthe guy that listed this rod is sadly mistaken. Paul Young had a modelcalled the midge... well several actually, including some that were neverreleased to the public, but he never worked for or produced rods for Orvis.My feeling is that the person who listed that particular rod on eBay,knows just enough to know that Orvis made a Midge, and PHY made a Midge,andis assuming, from that point, that they are one and the same.Now, if he happens to have a PHY Midge that he's willing to sell for thesame price he has going on the Orvis Midge on that auction, then I'll behappy to buy it from him... do the words "in a heartbeat" sound right???? Later,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Orvis rod information? bob, i'm not sure what it tells me. :-) i wasn'taware paul young made impregnated rods for orvis.timothy There is an Orvis Midge on eBay at the moment. Justdo a search and youwill find it. This will also give you an idea ofwhat folks are willingto spend. Regards, Bobflysupplies@yahoo.comhttp://flysupplies.homepage.com ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Dec 24 12:11:22 2000 eBOIBLa20914 Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:11:13 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Orvis rod information? Ron,here is the closest stuff I know of. It is from The Classic Anglersite. Shawn Ron Elder wrote: Help!! A friend of mine has recently come into acquiring 2 Orvis bamboorods and asked some questions. The first looks to be completely original and comes with the originaltube and bag. The tube reads Orvis Midge Special 3oz 7'6" HEG(5). Ithas maroon wraps and is a 2/2. It has a nice feeling cigar shapedhandle with an all cork reel seat and double slide bands. Thehandwriting on the rod reads: Orvis Impregnated Midge 7 1/2' 3ozHEG(5). I have searched the value sites and cannot find any referenceto an Orvis Midge in this weight. Has my friend come across something special or is this so common that itis not documented anywhere? The second has no markings. The previous owner says that it is aFar&Fine and it is a 7' for a 3weight. It has maroon wraps as well anda uplocking reel seat with wood filler. Looks to be original as well.My friend really doesn't have any question regarding this rod other thanvalue. I will be measuring these rods if anyone is interested in the tapers. Thanks in advance to the list. ....ron Ron Elder from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Dec 24 12:14:14 2000 eBOIEDa21121 Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:14:08 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Orvis rod information? Ron, sorry about that, I forgot to attach the info, It is the closest stuffI know of andit's from The Classic Angler site.Shawn Battenkill Series Specialty Rods - Two Tips6*' 2* oz. #6 Superfine $6506*' 2 oz. #4 Deluxe $6507' 2-5/8 oz. #6 Superfine $6007' 2* oz. #3 Seven/Three $6957' 2* oz. #4 Seven/Four $6957' 2-5/8 oz. #4 Deluxe $6257/7'3" 3 oz. #6 Pace Changer $6507*' 3-5/8 oz. #5 Midge $6007*' 3* oz. #6 Superfine $5507*' 2-7/8 oz. #4 Deluxe $6007*/7'9" 3* oz. #5 Midge Nymph $6007*' 3-7/8 oz. #5 Far & Fine $5757*' 4 oz. #6 Trout $5508' 3* oz. #4 Nymph $5258' 4* oz. #6 Trout $4758*' 5 oz. #5 Limestone $4258*' 5-3/8 oz. #9 Shooting Star $4508'9" 5* oz. #10 S/S/S $4509' 6 oz. #9 Shooting Star $425 Hope this is of some help,Shawn Help!! A friend of mine has recently come into acquiring 2 Orvis bamboorods and asked some questions. The first looks to be completely original and comes with the originaltube and bag. The tube reads Orvis Midge Special 3oz 7'6" HEG(5). Ithas maroon wraps and is a 2/2. It has a nice feeling cigar shapedhandle with an all cork reel seat and double slide bands. Thehandwriting on the rod reads: Orvis Impregnated Midge 7 1/2' 3ozHEG(5). I have searched the value sites and cannot find any referenceto an Orvis Midge in this weight. Has my friend come across something special or is this so common that itis not documented anywhere? The second has no markings. The previous owner says that it is aFar&Fine and it is a 7' for a 3weight. It has maroon wraps as well anda uplocking reel seat with wood filler. Looks to be original as well.My friend really doesn't have any question regarding this rod other thanvalue. I will be measuring these rods if anyone is interested in the tapers. Thanks in advance to the list. ....ron Ron Elder from newmin@ptdprolog.net Sun Dec 24 12:33:39 2000 eBOIXda21477 0000 0000 Subject: orvis midge " paul young" I sent the fellow selling the Orvis midge "paul young " rod a e mail. Thiswas his responceNewmin Hello The only reason that Paul Young's name is listed in the description is tohave the midge more recognized, I do know from second hand info that PaulYoung did not make rods for orvis but was an advisor on a few rods. Sorry Trevor At 01:12 PM 24/12/00 -0500, you wrote:I was not aware that Paul Young ever worked for Orvis. What verificationdo you have that this was made by Paul Youngthanksnewmin from caneman@clnk.com Sun Dec 24 12:41:08 2000 eBOIf8a21692 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: orvis midge " paul young" Trevor,I also sent him an email and he must have gotten a few responses,because he sent me a carbon copy of the same response. Must have gottiredof explaining it over and over and just did a draft copy to send toeveryone. Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: orvis midge " paul young" I sent the fellow selling the Orvis midge "paul young " rod a e mail. Thiswas his responceNewmin Hello The only reason that Paul Young's name is listed in the description is tohave the midge more recognized, I do know from second hand info that PaulYoung did not make rods for orvis but was an advisor on a few rods. Sorry Trevor At 01:12 PM 24/12/00 -0500, you wrote:I was not aware that Paul Young ever worked for Orvis. Whatverificationdo you have that this was made by Paul Youngthanksnewmin from caneman@clnk.com Sun Dec 24 12:42:18 2000 eBOIgGa21819 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:42:14 -0600 Subject: Re: orvis midge " paul young" newmin... sorry I called you trevor... just got his email and your's at thesame time and had a brain glitch -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: orvis midge " paul young" Trevor,I also sent him an email and he must have gotten a few responses,because he sent me a carbon copy of the same response. Must have gottiredof explaining it over and over and just did a draft copy to send toeveryone. Bob -----Original Message-----From: Newmin Date: Sunday, December 24, 2000 12:34 PMSubject: orvis midge " paul young" I sent the fellow selling the Orvis midge "paul young " rod a e mail. Thiswas his responceNewmin Hello The only reason that Paul Young's name is listed in the description is tohave the midge more recognized, I do know from second hand info thatPaulYoung did not make rods for orvis but was an advisor on a few rods. Sorry Trevor At 01:12 PM 24/12/00 -0500, you wrote:I was not aware that Paul Young ever worked for Orvis. Whatverificationdo you have that this was made by Paul Youngthanksnewmin from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Dec 24 12:47:03 2000 eBOIl3a22112 2000 10:47:03 PST Subject: Re: orvis midge " paul young" it's called capitalism. the bigger the market thehigher the price. there's no substitute for coveringall the bases. :-) timothy --- Bob Nunley wrote:Trevor,I also sent him an email and he must have gottena few responses,because he sent me a carbon copy of the sameresponse. Must have got tiredof explaining it over and over and just did a draftcopy to send toeveryone. Bob -----Original Message-----From: Newmin Date: Sunday, December 24, 2000 12:34 PMSubject: orvis midge " paul young" I sent the fellow selling the Orvis midge "paulyoung " rod a e mail. Thiswas his responceNewmin Hello The only reason that Paul Young's name is listed inthe description is tohave the midge more recognized, I do know fromsecond hand info that PaulYoung did not make rods for orvis but was anadvisor on a few rods. Sorry the description. Trevor At 01:12 PM 24/12/00 -0500, you wrote:I was not aware that Paul Young ever worked forOrvis. Whatverificationdo you have that this was made by Paul Youngthanksnewmin ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from harms1@pa.net Sun Dec 24 13:07:07 2000 eBOJ76a22506 Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:06:54 -0500 , Subject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 Shawn, I have the 37H, and it uses a 4 wt. line, so I'm guessing that the 3 wt.would be considered a 37L. Make sense? cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 think and Iseem to have lost it if anyone still has that message or the taper couldyou pleaseforward it to me, I have been looking for that taper for quite some timenow, Thanks, Shawn Shawn Pineo wrote: Anyone have any idea as to what designation the Leonard 6'6" 3 wt onpage 53 ofJack Howell's book is?? I'm GUESSING its a 37 H or L??? Anyone have any Shawn WILLIAM HARMS wrote: All, I can understand how one might confuse the tagging of a 36L and a36H,buthow do you confuse either of these with a 37H? The 37H is a 6 1/2foot rod. cheers, Bill-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message -----From: "DARLENE URBANSKI" Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 8:52 AMSubject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 MartyThanks for Leonard taper, just what I have been looking for,Apicture would be a great help if you ever get time, Thanks Tony pumpkin10@prodigy.net ----- Original Message -----From: marty Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 6:33 AMSubject: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 Hi All, Here is a taper from a Leonard 36H/37H for you short rodnuts(as I am). I have seen this 6' 2pc. model marked 36H or 37H. Ihave been> > > > > told by an ex. Leonard employee that the salesman in theretailstoreswould fill out the hanging tag as the rods were sold so many aremismarked. This rod was made in the 1950's and is sweet.A muchnicerfishing tool than the 36L which at 1 oz is very impractical. Thisrodhandles a #3 very nicely.Measurments are over varnish. DEDUCT .003 Butt Tip00" .148 .06405 .166 .07310 .176 .08615 .189 .09720 .200 .11125 .209 .12530 ( .223 at 28 3/4") .13535 start of grip .144 Guide spacingButt Tip1 5/8" 4 7/8"8 3/4" 9 3/4"16 3/8" stripper 14 3/4"20"25 1/4"30 5/8"4 1/2" Grip 3 1/8" Butternut C&R seat Enjoy, Marty from sats@gte.net Sun Dec 24 13:38:21 2000 eBOJcKa22916 Subject: Season's greatings. Seasons greetings to everyone, no matter where you are or what holidayyou'recelebrating. http://home1.gte.net/vzn05zew/christmas/index.html---Marge and Terry KirkpatrickOn Old Tampa BaySafety Harbor, Fl.Sats@gte.netMeet us at http://home1.gte.net/vzn05zew from hexagon@odyssee.net Sun Dec 24 17:10:39 2000 eBONAaa24517 Subject: Re: Orvis rod information? The word "Midge" was a generic term for small lightweight cane rods thatwere popularized by American angling writers of that period. There was aself serving contest between "famous" American fly fishermen on whocould catch the largest Atlantic Salmon on the smallest rod.In those days manufacturers did not slap trade marks or registerwords timothy troester wrote: bob, i'm not sure what it tells me. :-) i wasn'taware paul young made impregnated rods for orvis.timothy There is an Orvis Midge on eBay at the moment. Justdo a search and youwill find it. This will also give you an idea ofwhat folks are willingto spend. Regards, Bobflysupplies@yahoo.comhttp://flysupplies.homepage.com ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from jourdoktorn@chello.se Sun Dec 24 18:30:39 2000 eBP0UYa25111 (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license13ed6d939a101f33a28aa8ad6d2fac65) Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:30:32 +0100 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 All, It is NOT easy to differ a model 36 from a 37. Before the fire at the factory,number 37 was a Baby Catskill 6 foot rod and the number 36 was a RegularCatskill 7 1/2 foot rod. After the fire they reorganized the model numberssonumber 36 was a 6 foot rod and number 37 a 6 1/2 foot rod. There arehoweverways to recognize a prefire rod from a post fire rod. Cheers,Jan Nystrom WILLIAM HARMS wrote: All, I can understand how one might confuse the tagging of a 36L and a 36H,buthow do you confuse either of these with a 37H? The 37H is a 6 1/2 footrod. cheers, Bill-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message -----From: "DARLENE URBANSKI" Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 8:52 AMSubject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 MartyThanks for Leonard taper, just what I have been looking for, Apicture would be a great help if you ever get time, Thanks Tony pumpkin10@prodigy.net ----- Original Message -----From: marty Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 6:33 AMSubject: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 Hi All, Here is a taper from a Leonard 36H/37H for you short rod nuts(as I am). I have seen this 6' 2pc. model marked 36H or 37H. I havebeentold by an ex. Leonard employee that the salesman in the retail storeswould fill out the hanging tag as the rods were sold so many aremismarked. This rod was made in the 1950's and is sweet.A much nicerfishing tool than the 36L which at 1 oz is very impractical. This rodhandles a #3 very nicely.Measurments are over varnish. DEDUCT .003 Butt Tip00" .148 .06405 .166 .07310 .176 .08615 .189 .09720 .200 .11125 .209 .12530 ( .223 at 28 3/4") .13535 start of grip .144 Guide spacingButt Tip1 5/8" 4 7/8"8 3/4" 9 3/4"16 3/8" stripper 14 3/4"20"25 1/4"30 5/8"4 1/2" Grip 3 1/8" Butternut C&R seat Enjoy, Marty from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Dec 24 21:10:02 2000 eBP3A1a26137 Sun, 24 Dec 2000 19:09:56 -0800 "Flyfish @ mailing list" Subject: Best wishes at Christmas Friends, Christmas missive to you who are a big part of my life, manyof whom I've never met but still call friends. I usuallyallow myself this one little slip into ministerial modeduring the year, and most who don't enjoy or appreciatethese words are kind enough not to say so. Thank you foryour patience and indulgence. But this Holiday season has been especially hectic with22 straight nights of functions which took me away from homeand kept me out of the shop till the wee hours. I toldmyself at the start of Advent that I would not allow myselfto become grumpy and cynical, or to feel put upon by all theobligations and duties of my calling. And I did okay tillthis week, when the call came about the young man (38 yrs.)dying with a fast growing, malignant cancer. He diedThursday, and the memorial service will be next Wednesday.And like many of you, as the supposed climax of the seasonapproaches, I find myself tired, bone tired. Then tonight, at our Christmas Eve Vespers Service, agood friend dropped a note in my hand, a note which says: "Life can be tiring and frustrating at times! Come tome when you are worn down -- stressed out with circumstancesand burdens that are weighing you down. I will give yourest! Love,Your God of Peace and Rest" So tonight, to any of you who are tired and frustrated,I wish you peace and rest. May God's greatest blessings beyours at this season and throughout the year to come. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr.--First Baptist Church, Winnsboro, Louisianahttp://www.fbcwin.com from Lazybee45@aol.com Sun Dec 24 22:28:49 2000 eBP4Sma26795 Subject: Christmas Garvsinger@aol.com,woodwadd@erols.com, flytyr@southshore.com, rcslashclpilot@rcpilot.com,aromu@mail.ru, SENDmidwest1@cs.com, clive@bigfoot.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu, rex374@hotmail.com, BrunoA6BN@aol.com,MediaDM@aol.com Family and Everybody:Just a quick message to all of you to wish you all a Merry Christmas. We had a fine day with family and friends today. -5 outside, but warm inside. A bit of meaning of friends and family came through to me tonight whenJessi (My middle daughter to those who do not know, she is now 22) got a call from her friend Ian, his brother was on his way home from work tonight and washit head on by a semi. At last word he was in surgery.Life is too short to not to pass on good wishes and prayers to those you call family and friends.Merry christmas, I hope all of you have a fine new year as well.mark The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. ~ A.Einstein from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Dec 24 22:35:01 2000 eBP4Z0a27006 2000 20:35:01 PST Subject: Re: Best wishes at Christmas hi harry, thankyou for your thoughts. i am bone weary from this season this year. i keep building rods. it'sgood therapy. i am revarnishing a driggs i made sometime ago and building 2 kushners, 2 warras and amaurer. i play christmas music as i work and singalong. i am hoping to start spending 30 minutes a daywriting this coming year. i have already started thisritual and am glad i have. best to you and yours thisseason. timothy --- Harry Boyd wrote:Friends, Christmas missive to you who are a big part of mylife, manyof whom I've never met but still call friends. Iusuallyallow myself this one little slip into ministerialmodeduring the year, and most who don't enjoy orappreciatethese words are kind enough not to say so. Thankyou foryour patience and indulgence. But this Holiday season has been especiallyhectic with22 straight nights of functions which took me away from homeand kept me out of the shop till the wee hours. Itoldmyself at the start of Advent that I would not allowmyselfto become grumpy and cynical, or to feel put upon byall theobligations and duties of my calling. And I didokay tillthis week, when the call came about the young man(38 yrs.)dying with a fast growing, malignant cancer. HediedThursday, and the memorial service will be nextWednesday.And like many of you, as the supposed climax of theseasonapproaches, I find myself tired, bone tired. Then tonight, at our Christmas Eve VespersService, agood friend dropped a note in my hand, a note whichsays: "Life can be tiring and frustrating at times! Come tome when you are worn down -- stressed out withcircumstancesand burdens that are weighing you down. I will giveyourest! Love,Your God of Peace and Rest" So tonight, to any of you who are tired andfrustrated,I wish you peace and rest. May God's greatestblessings beyours at this season and throughout the year tocome. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr.--First Baptist Church, Winnsboro, Louisianahttp://www.fbcwin.com ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from CCGGLOBAL@aol.com Sun Dec 24 22:47:16 2000 eBP4lFa27279 Subject: Merry Christmas & Happy New Year ! To all Rodmakers, I want to wish each of you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy andProsperous New Year ! Thank you all for your advice, encouragement, and support ! Make nomistake, Rodmakers are special people with special talents and gifts, who dearly love their craft with great passion. You make Christmas each day of the year for me with your messages, tips, techniques, trade secrets, formulas, methods, and over-all support. I have attended two Rodmaker Gatherings this past year, both great andboth made up of dedicated, hard working people of the highest caliber, who are serious about carrying on the finest traditions of Rodmaking, with great respect and admiration to the Rodmaking Masters of the past. Thank you'all again, Best Regards ! Bill Campbell :e-mail : ccgglobal@aol.com from bob@downandacross.com Mon Dec 25 07:09:25 2000 eBPD9Pa00398 Subject: Re: Best wishes at Christmas HI Guys:Merry Christmas to you all and thanks for all the knowldge and frienship you share so freely.Kushners? Wow.Bob At 08:35 PM 12/24/2000 -0800, timothy troester wrote:hi harry, thankyou for your thoughts. i am bone weary from this season this year. i keep building rods. it'sgood therapy. i am revarnishing a driggs i made sometime ago and building 2 kushners, 2 warras and amaurer. i play christmas music as i work and singalong. i am hoping to start spending 30 minutes a daywriting this coming year. i have already started thisritual and am glad i have. best to you and yours thisseason. timothy --- Harry Boyd wrote:Friends, Christmas missive to you who are a big part of mylife, manyof whom I've never met but still call friends. Iusuallyallow myself this one little slip into ministerialmodeduring the year, and most who don't enjoy orappreciatethese words are kind enough not to say so. Thankyou foryour patience and indulgence. But this Holiday season has been especiallyhectic with22 straight nights of functions which took me away from homeand kept me out of the shop till the wee hours. Itoldmyself at the start of Advent that I would not allowmyselfto become grumpy and cynical, or to feel put upon byall theobligations and duties of my calling. And I didokay tillthis week, when the call came about the young man(38 yrs.)dying with a fast growing, malignant cancer. HediedThursday, and the memorial service will be nextWednesday.And like many of you, as the supposed climax of theseasonapproaches, I find myself tired, bone tired. Then tonight, at our Christmas Eve VespersService, agood friend dropped a note in my hand, a note whichsays: "Life can be tiring and frustrating at times!Come tome when you are worn down -- stressed out withcircumstancesand burdens that are weighing you down. I will giveyourest! Love,Your God of Peace and Rest" So tonight, to any of you who are tired andfrustrated,I wish you peace and rest. May God's greatestblessings beyours at this season and throughout the year tocome. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr.--First Baptist Church, Winnsboro, Louisianahttp://www.fbcwin.com ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com from bob@downandacross.com Mon Dec 25 07:28:57 2000 eBPDSua00679 Subject: Re: Best wishes at Christmas HI Bill:I have the spey rod taper, and I think a Planing Form issue with another. I am not sure, but here is one I had handy...(posted by Tim) the bill warra 7 1/2 ft 5wt tip: .072 .092 .108 .124 .140 .158 .170 .184 .196 .210butt:.210 .220 .230 .240 .250 .280 .306 .325 .325 .325ferrule: 13/64guide spacing-rod assembled: tip 4" 8.5" 14" 20" 27"34" 42" ferrule 51" 61.5" Best regards,Bob At 08:20 AM 12/25/2000 -0500, you wrote:Dear Bob, Thanks for the Seasons Greetings! I am curious, where do IlocateWaara Tapers ? I have a Waara V-Block that John Long sent me which I likevery much, and I would like to have some of Mr. Waara Tapers, so I can buildone of his rods and pay my respects. Thanks for all you do for Rodmakers, Best Regards ! Bill Campbell : e-mail: ccgglobal@aol.com Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com from mschaffer@mindspring.com Mon Dec 25 08:16:16 2000 eBPEGGa01535 Subject: Wishes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C06E53.51BF3400 I would like to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New =Years, now and for many years to come! Mike ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C06E53.51BF3400 I would like to wish everyone a very = Christmas and a Happy New Years, now and for many years to =come! Mike ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C06E53.51BF3400-- from harms1@pa.net Mon Dec 25 09:03:46 2000 eBPF3ja02000 Mon, 25 Dec 2000 10:03:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06E59.D84F6340 Jan, Thanks so much for the info. I was unaware of these pre-fire = So, to pump it up again, I remind myself that most of us are building =better rods than any of these commercial products, anyhow. Although my =37H "red-wrap" is a fine little rod, it dosn't compare with most of the =stuff being built by any number of today's makers, and I haven't fished =the Leonard for more than ten years. (I'm feeling much better now.) cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ Subject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 All, It is NOT easy to differ a model 36 from a 37. Before the fire at the =factory,number 37 was a Baby Catskill 6 foot rod and the number 36 was a =RegularCatskill 7 1/2 foot rod. After the fire they reorganized the model =numbers sonumber 36 was a 6 foot rod and number 37 a 6 1/2 foot rod. There are =howeverways to recognize a prefire rod from a post fire rod. Cheers,Jan Nystrom WILLIAM HARMS wrote: All, I can understand how one might confuse the tagging of a 36L and a =36H, buthow do you confuse either of these with a 37H? The 37H is a 6 1/2 =foot rod. cheers, Bill-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message -----From: "DARLENE URBANSKI" Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 8:52 AMSubject: Re: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 MartyThanks for Leonard taper, just what I have been looking =for, Apicture would be a great help if you ever get time, Thanks Tony pumpkin10@prodigy.net ----- Original Message -----From: marty Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 6:33 AMSubject: Leonard Prefire #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 Hi All, Here is a taper from a Leonard 36H/37H for you short =rod nuts(as I am). I have seen this 6' 2pc. model marked 36H or 37H. I =have beentold by an ex. Leonard employee that the salesman in the retail =storeswould fill out the hanging tag as the rods were sold so many aremismarked. This rod was made in the 1950's and is sweet.A much =nicerfishing tool than the 36L which at 1 oz is very impractical. =This rodhandles a #3 very nicely.Measurments are over varnish. DEDUCT .003 Butt Tip00" .148 .06405 .166 .07310 .176 .08615 .189 .09720 .200 .11125 .209 .12530 ( .223 at 28 3/4") .13535 start of grip .144 Guide spacingButt Tip1 5/8" 4 7/8"8 3/4" 9 3/4"16 3/8" stripper 14 3/4"20"25 1/4"30 5/8"4 1/2" Grip 3 1/8" Butternut C&R seat Enjoy, Marty ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06E59.D84F6340 Jan, Thanks so much hurts anythingbut = So, to pump it up= now.) Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click = Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/----- Original = From: "JanNystr=F6m" = Cc: = Sent: Sunday, = 7:32 PMSubject: Re:Leonard = #36H/#37H 6' 2pc. #3 = = December = = (as I am). I have seen this 6' 2pc. model marked 36H or 37H. I have = ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06E59.D84F6340-- from briansr@point-net.com Mon Dec 25 09:04:13 2000 eBPF4Ca02056 Mon, 25 Dec 2000 10:04:09 -0500 "Flyfish @ mailing list" Subject: Re: Best wishes at Christmas Best wishes to one and all on this list.I hope your planning is accurate andy'all get time to enjoy the fruits of your labour !Harry, I enjoyed reading your post .Senior air traffic controllers are alsobusy at this time of year .We get annual leave in the summer ,leaving theyoung punks to get A/L at this time of year !Cheers Brian from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Mon Dec 25 09:07:39 2000 eBPF7da02326 Subject: Re: Best wishes at Christmas RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu To AllMerry Christmas to everyone and have a fine new yearJoe from bydesign@cfw.com Mon Dec 25 09:33:38 2000 eBPFXca02726 0500 Subject: Waara V Block Hello All, Recently there was some discussion about the Waara V Block. But I don'tknow where to get one. There was a mention of Golden Witch(I didn't seethem listed there) and John Long. If John has them how do I contact him? Thanks,Rich Young from cbogart@shentel.net Mon Dec 25 10:51:02 2000 eBPGp2a03342 (5.0.2195;1) Subject: Annual Xmas Present Survey To All Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wild andwackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one. Really nicepresentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing form do not count.We are looking at the other end of the spectrum from the trout socks / ties toceramic fishingbaskets designed to hold candy (last year gift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffee mug withfish and fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - but what the heckit wasthe thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle - it couldpass fora trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those really special giftsand know you are not alone out there. Chris from caneman@clnk.com Mon Dec 25 11:07:33 2000 eBPH7Wa03600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey Easy to pick out my most "unique" one... my oldest son had a coffee mugmade flat opposite that, a Harley Davidson Shield, and the other four flats aredry flies... I don't think the lady that made it knew much about dry flies,but unique and special, nonetheless. Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Annual Xmas Present Survey To All Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wild and wackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one. Really nicepresentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing form do notcount. Weare looking at the other end of the spectrum from the trout socks / ties toceramic fishingbaskets designed to hold candy (last year gift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffee mug withfishand fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - but what theheck it wasthe thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle - it couldpass fora trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those really special giftsand knowyou are not alone out there. Chris from Troutgetter@aol.com Mon Dec 25 12:38:02 2000 eBPIc1a04212 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey A vaguely, fish shaped lump of coalMike from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Mon Dec 25 12:47:51 2000 eBPIloa04422 VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) Subject: RE: Annual Xmas Present Survey Again this year we conduct our annual survey to seewhat wild and wackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" lovedone. from my wife, a pair of tweezers with a built-in magnifying glass to removebamboo splinters. Richard from lblan@provide.net Mon Dec 25 12:49:08 2000 eBPIn7a04588 Subject: RE: Annual Xmas Present Survey Hah! I am delighted to announce that I received *no* funky xmas stuff thisyear. Larry Blan -----Original Message----- Subject: Annual Xmas Present Survey To All Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wild andwackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one. Really nicepresentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing form do notcount. Weare looking at the other end of the spectrum from the trout socks / ties toceramic fishingbaskets designed to hold candy (last year gift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffee mug withfishand fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - but what theheck it wasthe thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle - it couldpass fora trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those really special giftsand knowyou are not alone out there. Chris from Nodewrrior@aol.com Mon Dec 25 12:53:38 2000 eBPIrba04828 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey And what to my wonderous eyes should appear;But "Billy Bass, ...don't worry be happy" I hear! from my sister in law too...sounds like a conspiracy. Rob Hoffhines from cmj@post11.tele.dk Mon Dec 25 13:05:26 2000 eBPJ5Pa05075 +0100 Subject: Sv: Annual Xmas Present Survey eBPJ5Pa05076 Big Mouth Billy Bass, singing, "take me to the river"those who do not understand, write me offlist - tooembarrasing to explain in public carsten jorgensen from cmj@post11.tele.dk Mon Dec 25 13:07:18 2000 eBPJ7Ha05244 +0100 Subject: Sv: Annual Xmas Present Survey eBPJ7Ia05245 Thank God I am not alone in this........ carsten ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey And what to my wonderous eyes should appear;But "Billy Bass, ...don't worry be happy" I hear! from my sister in law too...sounds like a conspiracy. Rob Hoffhines from ctn45555@centurytel.net Mon Dec 25 13:10:34 2000 eBPJAYa05477 Organization: Smith & Boyd Subject: Taper Problems Hope everyone had a great Christmas and best wishes for the New Year! Inthe unique gift category, I got a pair of boxers with various flyfishing- related designs in the fabric. Just finsished sanding the glue off my first rod. Turned out great.Straightening was needed but nothing too bad, flats are within 1 to 3thousands of each other, and glue lines are not a problem. The onlyhitch is that with the exception of the tip station of the tip section,all diameters are about 5 thousands bigger than they should be. Icarefully measured strips after final planing and all measured correctly(yes I remembered to plan the pith apex before bundling the strips). Thesame calipers were used for all measurements and I double checked mydivision and the forms were set correctly. Obviously I made a mistakesomewhere along the way but I can't figure out what that was. Any ideas? The taper is a PY midge. I'm not set on 6'3" rod length but I would likethe rod to be a 4 wt. With this in mind, would it be a good idea tolengthen the taper by 3 inches (i.e. given that my stations are 5thousands over dimension)? My sections were made 5 inches longer thanneed be so this wouldn't be a problem. Any thoughts would be greatlyappreciated. Thank you in advance for your help, Chad S. Boyd from horsesho@ptd.net Mon Dec 25 13:23:00 2000 eBPJMxa05755 0000 0000 Organization: ProLog Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey I got a crystal fish wine bottel stopper. As if I open a bottle of winewithout actually finishing it. Best, Marty To All Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wild andwackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one. Really nicepresentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing form do notcount. Weare looking at the other end of the spectrum from the trout socks / tiesto ceramic fishingbaskets designed to hold candy (last year gift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffee mugwith fishand fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - but what the heckit wasthe thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle - it couldpass fora trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those really special giftsand knowyou are not alone out there. Chris> from cmj@post11.tele.dk Mon Dec 25 13:27:13 2000 eBPJRBa05957 Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:27:11 +0100 Subject: Sv: Taper Problems eBPJRCa05958 Chad Go to Rodmakers and find Frank Neunemanns page.There is an article about measuring. The explanation, I think,You'll find there. regards, Carsten Jorgensen ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Taper Problems Hope everyone had a great Christmas and best wishes for the New Year! Inthe unique gift category, I got a pair of boxers with various flyfishing- related designs in the fabric. Just finsished sanding the glue off my first rod. Turned out great.Straightening was needed but nothing too bad, flats are within 1 to 3thousands of each other, and glue lines are not a problem. The onlyhitch is that with the exception of the tip station of the tip section,all diameters are about 5 thousands bigger than they should be. Icarefully measured strips after final planing and all measured correctly(yes I remembered to plan the pith apex before bundling the strips). Thesame calipers were used for all measurements and I double checked mydivision and the forms were set correctly. Obviously I made a mistakesomewhere along the way but I can't figure out what that was. Any ideas? The taper is a PY midge. I'm not set on 6'3" rod length but I would likethe rod to be a 4 wt. With this in mind, would it be a good idea tolengthen the taper by 3 inches (i.e. given that my stations are 5thousands over dimension)? My sections were made 5 inches longer thanneed be so this wouldn't be a problem. Any thoughts would be greatlyappreciated. Thank you in advance for your help, Chad S. Boyd from CAIrvinerods@aol.com Mon Dec 25 13:28:34 2000 eBPJSXa06111 Subject: XMas Survey A bamboo scented candle, don't ask, I have not but a match to it yet. Merry Christmas, Chuck from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 13:52:14 2000 eBPJqDa06525 2000 11:52:14 PST Subject: Re: Taper Problems chadyou can move your stations all up 3 " maybe. checkit. you sand it a little more. have you done yourfinal sanding? if you sand down to 600 or 1500 yourmeasurement will change. sounds to me like you areabout on the dime. your diameter will change 3 to 5thousands with moisture. get a coat of varnish on itand sand it off. there are others with more rodsunder their belts that will respond but it sounds tome like a real good result. timothy --- Amy & Chad wrote:Hope everyone had a great Christmas and best wishes the unique gift category, I got a pair of boxerswith various flyfishing-related designs in the fabric. Just finsished sanding the glue off my first rod.Turned out great.Straightening was needed but nothing too bad, flatsare within 1 to 3thousands of each other, and glue lines are not aproblem. The onlyhitch is that with the exception of the tip stationof the tip section,all diameters are about 5 thousands bigger than theyshould be. Icarefully measured strips after final planing andall measured correctly(yes I remembered to plan the pith apex beforebundling the strips). Thesame calipers were used for all measurements and Idouble checked mydivision and the forms were set correctly. ObviouslyI made a mistakesomewhere along the way but I can't figure out whatthat was. Any ideas? The taper is a PY midge. I'm not set on 6'3" rodlength but I would likethe rod to be a 4 wt. With this in mind, would it bea good idea tolengthen the taper by 3 inches (i.e. given that mystations are 5thousands over dimension)? My sections were made 5inches longer thanneed be so this wouldn't be a problem. Any thoughtswould be greatlyappreciated. Thank you in advance for your help, Chad S. Boyd ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from flytyr@southshore.com Mon Dec 25 14:16:01 2000 eBPKG0a06837 Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:15:57 -0600 Subject: Re: Sv: Annual Xmas Present Survey I got a Billy Bass with a Santa Hat, Billy sings ChristmasCarols.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Carsten Jorgensen wrote: Thank God I am not alone in this........ carsten ----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 7:53 PMSubject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey And what to my wonderous eyes should appear;But "Billy Bass, ...don't worry be happy" I hear! from my sister in law too...sounds like a conspiracy. Rob Hoffhines from Dennishigham@cs.com Mon Dec 25 14:35:46 2000 eBPKZka07101 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey Travis Trout for me.... Dennis from newmin@ptdprolog.net Mon Dec 25 14:44:01 2000 eBPKi0a07338 Subject: christmas gift survey a book entitled Fly Fishing For Sharks. I got thru the first 12 pagesit looks like good reading. Sure glad I didn't get any singing fish!!!!Newmin from CCGGLOBAL@aol.com Mon Dec 25 14:49:16 2000 eBPKnFa07537 Subject: Annual Xmas Present Survey cbogart@shentel.net Well my presents consisted of a Magnifying glass with tweezers, a creel christmas ornament, Bamboo shaped candle. Happy Holidays ! Bill Campbell : e-mail : ccgglobal@aol.com from Lazybee45@aol.com Mon Dec 25 14:49:28 2000 eBPKnRa07574 Subject: christmas survey well, I got only useful stuff. Gift cert for a tackle shop, fishing calender, bottle of wiskey, Linie Lodge (12 pack of beer in a box that looks like a tackle box)mark The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits. ~ A.Einstein from ajthramer@hotmail.com Mon Dec 25 14:55:13 2000 eBPKtCa07946 Mon, 25 Dec 2000 12:55:08 -0800 Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:55:08 GMT Subject: Re: Waara V Block FILETIME=[F704CEF0:01C06EB4] From: "Beth Young" Subject: Waara V BlockDate: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 10:33:13 -0500 Hello All, Recently there was some discussion about the Waara V Block. But I don'tknow where to get one. There was a mention of Golden Witch(I didn't seethem listed there) and John Long. If John has them how do I contact him? Thanks,Rich Young Hi Rich, Russ at Goldenwitch does indeed have the v adapter in stock. You will have to ask him about it though. I have found him to be an honest and reliable supplier.A.J.Thramer_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from tfbinn@mindspring.com Mon Dec 25 15:10:19 2000 eBPLAIa08266 Subject: Re: Waara V Block Rich,I recently purchased a V-block from Golden Witch. Russ is careful not torefer to it as a Waara V-block, but it's the same thing. It's not advertisedon his web site catalog but he does carry them. Just e-mail him and ask. Myplaning accuracy has improved tremendously since acquiring the V-block(along with using the drill rod method of form setting and indicatorcalibration) and I would certainly recommend getting one.No commercial connections here.Merry Christmas & Happy New YearWinston Binney from channer1@rmi.net Mon Dec 25 15:24:26 2000 eBPLOPa08579 Subject: Re: Taper Problems Chad;Start measuring at the ferrule end for the correct diameter, thenmeasure up to the tip and see if you are close to the required dimensionthere. I had a heck of a time with the first few rods I made until Ifigured out that the Urac and powdered catalyst I was using was thickenough to make my sections too fat. I use epon now and allow for theglue, about .002. I also leave an inch and a half extra at each end just to shift back and forth to the correct dimension.John Amy & Chad wrote: Hope everyone had a great Christmas and best wishes for the New Year! Inthe unique gift category, I got a pair of boxers with various flyfishing- related designs in the fabric. Just finsished sanding the glue off my first rod. Turned out great.Straightening was needed but nothing too bad, flats are within 1 to 3thousands of each other, and glue lines are not a problem. The onlyhitch is that with the exception of the tip station of the tip section,all diameters are about 5 thousands bigger than they should be. Icarefully measured strips after final planing and all measured correctly(yes I remembered to plan the pith apex before bundling the strips). Thesame calipers were used for all measurements and I double checked mydivision and the forms were set correctly. Obviously I made a mistakesomewhere along the way but I can't figure out what that was. Any ideas? The taper is a PY midge. I'm not set on 6'3" rod length but I would likethe rod to be a 4 wt. With this in mind, would it be a good idea tolengthen the taper by 3 inches (i.e. given that my stations are 5thousands over dimension)? My sections were made 5 inches longer thanneed be so this wouldn't be a problem. Any thoughts would be greatlyappreciated. Thank you in advance for your help, Chad S. Boyd from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 15:26:33 2000 eBPLQWa08791 2000 13:26:33 PST Subject: Re: Waara V Block --- Frederick W Binney wrote:Rich,I recently purchased a V-block from Golden Witch.Russ is careful not torefer to it as a Waara V-block, but it's the samething. It's not advertisedon his web site catalog but he does carry them. Juste-mail him and ask. Myplaning accuracy has improved tremendously sinceacquiring the V-block(along with using the drill rod method of formsetting and indicatorcalibration) and I would certainly recommend gettingone.No commercial connections here.Merry Christmas & Happy New YearWinston Binney ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from anglport@con2.com Mon Dec 25 16:56:23 2000 eBPMuMa09582 Subject: RE: Annual Xmas Present Survey Richard,Your wife LOVES you!Art At 01:46 PM 12/25/2000 -0500, Richard Nantel wrote:Again this year we conduct our annual survey to seewhat wild and wackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" lovedone. from my wife, a pair of tweezers with a built-in magnifying glass toremovebamboo splinters. Richard from dmanders@telusplanet.net Mon Dec 25 17:02:06 2000 eBPN25a09835 hme0.telusplanet.net Subject: Test test from gjm80301@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 17:13:18 2000 eBPNDHa10138 2000 15:16:40 PST Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey Happily, no stupid gifts. Best of the lot was from my 13 year olddaughter - a book on the Big Horn signed "Maerry christmas to myfishing buddy" Jerry--- Chris Bogart wrote:To All Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wild andwackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one.Really nice presentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing formdo not count. We are looking at the other end of the spectrum from the trout socks /ties to ceramic fishingbaskets designed to hold candy (last year gift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffee mugwith fish and fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - butwhat the heck it wasthe thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle -it could pass fora trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those really specialgifts and know you are not alone out there. Chris __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from jaqfoll@worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 25 17:47:43 2000 eBPNlha10534 ;Mon, 25 Dec 2000 23:47:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey Chris:I got a beer can holder shaped and looking like a Rainbow with a RoyalCoachman fly in it's mouth.Jack from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Mon Dec 25 17:56:27 2000 eBPNuQa10785 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey My darling presented me with an oak tool box with felt lined drawers. I hadbeen wanting one for over two years now, and now I got it. Probably put my sensitive tools in there. Calipers, micrometer, Ferrulepinning vise, etc etc. from bob@downandacross.com Mon Dec 25 18:23:28 2000 eBQ0NRa11096 Subject: Re: Taper Problems Hi Chad:Someone else may respond with this same remedy, but it sounds like youneed a Waara V block. In the latest Planing Form, John Bokstrom (and Ron Grantham? I think) explain how not using a grooved thickness gauge or the V Block will cause strips over what you anticipate. For the small change they cost, I am going to get a V block. You should get the Planing Form issue from Ron Barch or subscribe if you haven't. Great stuff all the time.Best regards,Bob M. At 10:44 AM 12/25/2000 -0800, you wrote:Hope everyone had a great Christmas and best wishes for the New Year! Inthe unique gift category, I got a pair of boxers with various flyfishing-related designs in the fabric. Just finsished sanding the glue off my first rod. Turned out great.Straightening was needed but nothing too bad, flats are within 1 to 3thousands of each other, and glue lines are not a problem. The onlyhitch is that with the exception of the tip station of the tip section,all diameters are about 5 thousands bigger than they should be. Icarefully measured strips after final planing and all measured correctly(yes I remembered to plan the pith apex before bundling the strips). Thesame calipers were used for all measurements and I double checked mydivision and the forms were set correctly. Obviously I made a mistakesomewhere along the way but I can't figure out what that was. Any ideas? The taper is a PY midge. I'm not set on 6'3" rod length but I would likethe rod to be a 4 wt. With this in mind, would it be a good idea tolengthen the taper by 3 inches (i.e. given that my stations are 5thousands over dimension)? My sections were made 5 inches longer thanneed be so this wouldn't be a problem. Any thoughts would be greatlyappreciated. Thank you in advance for your help, Chad S. Boyd Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com from oakmere@carol.net Mon Dec 25 18:30:22 2000 eBQ0ULa11327 Subject: RE: The Peace of Christmas Hi Harry: Your pastoral message of peace and love are well received by this member ofthe bamboo rod flock. May you also find the time in the coming weeks torestore your reserve of energy, and deal with the daily challenges of yourpastoral life. May the "Church of the Holy Water" be gracious unto us all in the comingyear as we share our burdens, joys, lives, and loves with our God, theCreator of all. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and Rod2932 North Bayshore DriveSeneca, SC 29672 Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Rt 44, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from HomeyDKlown@att.net Mon Dec 25 19:14:11 2000 eBQ1EBa11907 ;Tue, 26 Dec 2000 01:14:06 +0000 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey I got one of those singing fish plaques (remember the singing bass?). This one is a catfish and it also tells silly one-liners! Chris Bogart wrote: To All Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wild andwackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one. Really nicepresentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing form do notcount. Weare looking at the other end of the spectrum from the trout socks / tiesto ceramic fishingbaskets designed to hold candy (last year gift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffee mugwith fishand fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - but what the heckit wasthe thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle - it couldpass fora trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those really special giftsand knowyou are not alone out there. Chris from anglport@con2.com Mon Dec 25 19:42:22 2000 eBQ1gLa12292 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey My son got me a doormat that says " A fisherman lives here...with the catch of his life..." Kinda cute, and not too demeaning.On the up-side, I got the FFF fly pattern book, and the Renzetti travellerI've coveted for about...since it came out!Now I think I'll have to convince my wife that a chunk of metal the sizeof the Waara block is worth $55 for my birthday in February.... Planning...plotting....scheming... Art At 09:21 PM 12/25/2000 -0800, Dennis Haftel wrote:I got one of those singing fish plaques (remember the singing bass?). This one is a catfish and it also tells silly one-liners! Chris Bogart wrote: To All Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wildand wackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one. Reallynice presentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing form do notcount. Weare looking at the other end of the spectrum from the trout socks / tiesto ceramic fishingbaskets designed to hold candy (last year gift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffeemug with fishand fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - but what theheck it wasthe thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle - itcould pass fora trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those reallyspecial gifts and knowyou are not alone out there. Chris from rmcelvain@uswest.net Mon Dec 25 19:42:30 2000 eBQ1gUa12297 oemcomputer.uswest.net) (63.230.4.102) Subject: Merry Christmas Merry Christmas to all. Extra thanks to all who responded to my questions about Epon 826, I will start gluing a "Perfectionist" tomorrow with your suggestions included.Happy Holidays, Bob McElvain from tjwilhelm@carolina.rr.com Mon Dec 25 20:34:01 2000 eBQ2Y0a12996 Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:34:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey Fortunately I got the singing fish for my birthday in November. there is a message in there somewhere, but I'm not sure what my wife istrying to say. Tim----- Original Message ----- Subject: Annual Xmas Present Survey To All Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wild and wackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one. Reallynice presentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing form do notcount. Weare looking at the other end of the spectrum from the trout socks / tiesto ceramic fishingbaskets designed to hold candy (last year gift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffee mug withfishand fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - but what theheck it wasthe thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle - itcould pass fora trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those really special giftsand knowyou are not alone out there. Chris from stpete@netten.net Mon Dec 25 22:22:31 2000 eBQ4MUa13986 Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:23:45 -0600 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey Nothing in the rodmaking dept. this year, but I did get two flyfishermen treeornaments and aflyfisherman in a 'snowglobe'. Rick C. Chris Bogart wrote: To All Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wild andwackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one. Really nicepresentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing form do notcount. Weare looking at the other end of the spectrum from the trout socks / tiesto ceramic fishingbaskets designed to hold candy (last year gift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffee mugwith fishand fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - but what the heckit wasthe thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle - it couldpass fora trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those really special giftsand knowyou are not alone out there. Chris from cphisey@neca.com Mon Dec 25 22:27:57 2000 eBQ4Rua14196 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey Gottcha all beat,I recieve a fine Timepiece named "the Original Fishing Clock" thatfeatures a spin fisherman with his rod casting out the seconds and when youpush the botton , a rainbow leaps out of the water accompanied by the soundof a screaming reel.If that's not enough (and shouldn't it be!),also recieved aelectronic fly fishing rod game.Cast out and and wait for the fly to "PLOP",then reel and strike when the rod dips.(must be a nymph and lead rod- It'splastic to boot!)Also hat,socks,and Xmas ornament with fish motif.Charles Hisey(also got a HI Cascade 3/2 8 1/2' full lenght that casts quite well,justneeds a couple of guides) Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wild andwackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one. Really nicepresentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing form donot count. We are looking at the other end of the spectrum from the troutsocks / ties to ceramic fishing baskets designed to hold candy (last yeargift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffee mug withfish and fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - but what theheck it was the thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle- it could pass for a trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those really special giftsand know you are not alone out there. Chris from stpete@netten.net Mon Dec 25 22:41:03 2000 eBQ4f2a14485 Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:42:18 -0600 "Flyfish @ mailing list" Subject: Re: Best wishes at Christmas Harry, my good friend, your eloquent and straight from the heartmessages remind us of what is really important in this world. Family,fishing, friends, health and happiness is what we all seek. Sometimesthough, just plain, 'dirt-under-the-fingernails' living, the bitter andthe sweet, are what makes life worth living. We should take the time toappreciate all that we have or have had. I am thankful for the supportand friendship which I have found from this list. Who'd have thunk it!My wife thinks me a bit odd spending time reading this screen nearlyeveryday, but I know the faces of many of you and feel that I know manyothers through their electronically transmitted personalities. You haveall made my life richer. Here's wishing each of you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a HappyNew Year! Rick C. Harry Boyd wrote: Friends, Christmas missive to you who are a big part of my life, manyof whom I've never met but still call friends. I usuallyallow myself this one little slip into ministerial modeduring the year, and most who don't enjoy or appreciatethese words are kind enough not to say so. Thank you foryour patience and indulgence. But this Holiday season has been especially hectic with22 straight nights of functions which took me away from homeand kept me out of the shop till the wee hours. I toldmyself at the start of Advent that I would not allow myselfto become grumpy and cynical, or to feel put upon by all theobligations and duties of my calling. And I did okay tillthis week, when the call came about the young man (38 yrs.)dying with a fast growing, malignant cancer. He diedThursday, and the memorial service will be next Wednesday.And like many of you, as the supposed climax of the seasonapproaches, I find myself tired, bone tired. Then tonight, at our Christmas Eve Vespers Service, agood friend dropped a note in my hand, a note which says: "Life can be tiring and frustrating at times! Come tome when you are worn down -- stressed out with circumstancesand burdens that are weighing you down. I will give yourest! Love,Your God of Peace and Rest" So tonight, to any of you who are tired and frustrated,I wish you peace and rest. May God's greatest blessings beyours at this season and throughout the year to come. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr.--First Baptist Church, Winnsboro, Louisianahttp://www.fbcwin.com from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Dec 25 22:42:54 2000 eBQ4gqa14655 Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:42:49 +0800 Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:42:47 +0800 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey A tee shirt that says "I fish there for I lie" Tony At 11:50 AM 12/25/00 -0500, Chris Bogart wrote:To All Again this year we conduct our annual survey to see what wild andwackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" loved one. Reallynice presentslike a Lie Nielsen plane, Ballan Fly Reel, or Wagner planing form do notcount. We are looking at the other end of the spectrum from the trout socks / tiesto ceramic fishingbaskets designed to hold candy (last year gift from sister-in-law). This year I escaped pretty good - only the perfunctory coffee mug withfish and fly motif (the flies did not match the fish displayed - but what theheck it wasthe thought that counted) and a letter opener with a fish handle - itcould pass fora trout but . . . So it is time to hear from you all and share those really special giftsand know you are not alone out there. Chris /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html And the hurrying people daunt me, and their pallid faces haunt meAs they shoulder one another in their rush and nervous haste,With their eager eyes and greedy, and their stunted forms and weedy, A.B.("Banjo") Paterson /*************************************************************************/ from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Tue Dec 26 00:10:48 2000 eBQ6Ala15606 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey How about a heated vibrating foot massager and a 6 foot fibreglass stepladder? no fishin stuff tho, which is good, the rest of my family isnt into it and wouldnt have got the good stuff anyway ;) Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from zimmer@adams.net Tue Dec 26 06:25:30 2000 eBQCPUa17340 0000 Subject: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C06F05.52A8FCE0 ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C06F05.52B224A0 A pottery Toad House, "with proper ventilation", and a large bullfrog =caller. Honest! ---------------------------------------------------------------------Randy Zimmermanzimmer@adams.netZimmerman Bros., Since 1915www.zimmermanbros.com ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C06F05.52B224A0 A= Honest! ----------------------------------------------------------------= Bros., Since 1915www.zimmermanbros.com ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C06F05.52B224A0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C06F05.52A8FCE0 name="Randy Zimmerman.vcf" filename="Randy Zimmerman.vcf" BEGIN:VCARDVERSION:2.1N:Zimmerman;RandallFN:Randy ZimmermanORG:Zimmerman Bros., Inc.TEL;WORK;VOICE:217-285- 2196ADR;WORK:;;118 N. Monroe;Pittsfield;Il.;62363LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED- PRINTABLE:118 N. =Monroe=3D0D=3D0APittsfield, Il. 62363URL:URL:http://www.zimmermanbros.comEMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:zimmer@adams.netREV:20001226T123021ZEND:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C06F05.52A8FCE0-- from dpeaston@wzrd.com Tue Dec 26 07:45:10 2000 eBQDj9a17863 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey How about McGuane's "Longest Silence" and Gierach's "Good Flies." I noted this passage in McGuane and I saw the special meaning in it afterhaving read Harry's post. "I am afraid that the best angling is respite from burden. Good anglersshould lead useful lives, and useful lives are marked by struggle, anddifficulty, and even pain." The best of all of it,-Doug Easton ____________(____________|===========================o/ 0 \ / | \__/ \ / Douglas Easton | \ / |\____/ Dpeaston@wzrd.com | |* from bob@downandacross.com Tue Dec 26 07:52:59 2000 eBQDqwa18068 Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey Hi Jim:My thoughts exactly. No BassMaster subscriptions this year.Bob no fishin stuff tho, which is good, the rest of my family isnt into itand wouldnt have got the good stuff anyway ;) Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Tue Dec 26 08:52:18 2000 eBQEqHa19674 Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:52:09 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Taper Problems Chad,I had a pair of those boxers too, but watch out for the hooks inthe pattern, they're brutal sharp! LOLI got a fish skeleton wind chime, a trout ornament, other fishinggoodies and a small wood lathe! Guess now I can retire the franken lathe,maybe I can recycle the parts into a franken rough beveler!Shawn Amy & Chad wrote: Hope everyone had a great Christmas and best wishes for the New Year! Inthe unique gift category, I got a pair of boxers with various flyfishing- related designs in the fabric. Just finsished sanding the glue off my first rod. Turned out great.Straightening was needed but nothing too bad, flats are within 1 to 3thousands of each other, and glue lines are not a problem. The onlyhitch is that with the exception of the tip station of the tip section,all diameters are about 5 thousands bigger than they should be. Icarefully measured strips after final planing and all measured correctly(yes I remembered to plan the pith apex before bundling the strips). Thesame calipers were used for all measurements and I double checked mydivision and the forms were set correctly. Obviously I made a mistakesomewhere along the way but I can't figure out what that was. Any ideas? The taper is a PY midge. I'm not set on 6'3" rod length but I would likethe rod to be a 4 wt. With this in mind, would it be a good idea tolengthen the taper by 3 inches (i.e. given that my stations are 5thousands over dimension)? My sections were made 5 inches longer thanneed be so this wouldn't be a problem. Any thoughts would be greatlyappreciated. Thank you in advance for your help, Chad S. Boyd from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Tue Dec 26 09:00:38 2000 eBQF0ca20032 Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:00:34 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Annual Xmas Present Survey Richard,Your wife seems very wise! Either that or she spends allot of timewatching you running around holding your boo-boos like a dog with a nose fullofquills! I know my wife can almost set her watch by that event in myhousehold!They can be nasty little buggers to get out sometimes too! Great gift!How was the Christmas weather there in Quebec?We almost had agreenChristmas here in Nova Scotia, yet when we drove 100 miles down the roadto myparents, they had tons of snow! Weather is strange stuff! Shawn Richard Nantel wrote: Again this year we conduct our annual survey to seewhat wild and wackygifts our loved ones gave their "fishing / rodmaker" lovedone. from my wife, a pair of tweezers with a built-in magnifying glass toremovebamboo splinters. Richard from cbogart@shentel.net Tue Dec 26 09:09:18 2000