Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:59:34 +0800 Subject: Re: Infected File I've been getting this virus sent for the last few days and I guess I've been Strongly suggest we kill the threads " Paul Young Perfectionist" and"Rectangular Quad" so when it appears in the future we all know it needs tobeterminated with extreme prejudice. If I've some how re infected the list with this virus as a result of thelatestblitz please accept my appoligies Tony At 07:55 AM 1/18/01 -0700, Ronnie L. Rees wrote: William Harms: I just received fourteen post from this person with ainfectedfile attached if you are this person please see to this, and if you doreceive post from this person do not open his attachments. Believe methis isnot the dreaded Para 16 we are all concerned about! /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 18 10:03:49 2001 f0IG3me24449 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:03:47 +0800 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:03:45 +0800 Subject: Re: Infected File Mike (list guy) are these infected messages being purged from the archives?Keep up the good work. Tony At 12:00 AM 1/19/01 +0800, Tony Young wrote:I've been getting this virus sent for the last few days and I guess I've beensent it no less than 50 times. Strongly suggest we kill the threads " Paul Young Perfectionist" and"Rectangular Quad" so when it appears in the future we all know it needsto beterminated with extreme prejudice. If I've some how re infected the list with this virus as a result of thelatestblitz please accept my appoligies /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from cattanac@wmis.net Thu Jan 18 10:09:14 2001 f0IG9Ce25099 Subject: Re: anybody know Mr. Harms? Fred - You know Bill as I do - there was no intention on his part - and Ihope when matters settle down Bill will rejoin us Wayne----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: anybody know Mr. Harms? I have called Bill Harms and he is aware of the problem. I do believe heis now 'off line' so the messages should stop. My count is 30.Unfortunately he opened up 'Emanuel' several days ago and the rest ishistory. Now he has a locked up computer and is embarrassed to hell.Justgoes to show how insidious this thing is. He sends his apologies to all. F. "David W. Smith, Ph.D." wrote: Anybody out there know where Mr. Harms (do you think the name couldbeprophetic?) lives so you could go over to his house and take his PC offline until he cleans up his virus? Or, at least know his phone numberto call him and suggest ways to help? I am now up to 20 infected notes from him in the past hour. WARNING EVERYONE, set your filter up to send any note from him torecycle!!dws. --Fred Bohls3519 Ada DriveMechanicsburg, Pa 17050-2213 (717) 732-5050 Frederick W. BohlsP. O. Box 253Enola, PA 17025-9998 (717) 732-2448 MAKE IT A GREAT DAY from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 10:21:37 2001 f0IGLae25921 2001 08:21:37 PST Subject: there is no virus on this one Re: [Fwd: Paul Young "Perfectionist"] alright enough is enough! i have recieved 25 exactemails from you all with the virus attachment. is thisa sick game or what?! NO MORE!!! TIMOTHY --- WILLIAM HARMS wrote:Does'nt anyone have any of this info?? Maybe it wasbecause of theproblems that were happening lately? Hopefullysomeone out there has oneof these rods or has access to some info for me. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 18 10:26:13 2001 f0IGQBe26399 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:26:08 +0800 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:26:02 +0800 Subject: Re: anybody know Mr. Harms? "Rodmakers" Sure we can all take precautions but these things happen. I agree Billshould get rid of the virus and rejoin. This isn't the first time and itcertainly wont be the last.Does anybody know what actually happens, not the damage but what it lookslike when this virus is run? I'd be interested in knowing just in case. Tony At 11:06 AM 1/18/01 -0500, Wayne Cattanach wrote:Fred - You know Bill as I do - there was no intention on his part - and Ihope when matters settle down Bill will rejoin us Wayne----- Original Message -----From: FREDERICK W BOHLS, CFP Cc: ; Rodmakers Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:49 AMSubject: Re: anybody know Mr. Harms? I have called Bill Harms and he is aware of the problem. I do believe heis now 'off line' so the messages should stop. My count is 30.Unfortunately he opened up 'Emanuel' several days ago and the rest ishistory. Now he has a locked up computer and is embarrassed to hell.Justgoes to show how insidious this thing is. He sends his apologies to all. F. "David W. Smith, Ph.D." wrote: Anybody out there know where Mr. Harms (do you think the name couldbeprophetic?) lives so you could go over to his house and take his PC offline until he cleans up his virus? Or, at least know his phone numberto call him and suggest ways to help? I am now up to 20 infected notes from him in the past hour. WARNING EVERYONE, set your filter up to send any note from him torecycle!!dws. --Fred Bohls3519 Ada DriveMechanicsburg, Pa 17050-2213 (717) 732-5050 Frederick W. BohlsP. O. Box 253Enola, PA 17025-9998 (717) 732-2448 MAKE IT A GREAT DAY /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 18 10:45:11 2001 f0IGjAe27726 Subject: Attitude toward Virus warnings Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from rodsupstream@exploremaine.com Thu Jan 18 10:59:46 2001 f0IGxje28725 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:01:31 -0500 Subject: RE: Attitude toward Virus warnings I agree! Tim Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRodmaker-----Original Message----- Subject: Attitude toward Virus warnings Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from dutcher@email.msn.com Thu Jan 18 11:23:48 2001 f0IHNle29962 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:23:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Harry, Very well said. Every time I open my mail I learn something, even if itis to "trash attachments". Besides, I would miss hearing from new friends. Regards,Dick Richard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Attitude toward Virus warnings Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 11:28:10 2001 f0IHS9e00343 2001 09:28:11 PST Subject: Stuck Ferrules Hi, I have two sets of ferrules that are not attachedto anything except themselves. Someone sent me twosets of N/S Montague ferrules that the male is stuckin the female. I've tried heating up the female with aheat gun to seperate them but I started smelling thesolder and stopped. I currently have both sets in thefreezer and am going to try taking them out and trylow heat to seperate. Anybody have any ideas? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 18 11:37:50 2001 f0IHbme00944 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:37:48 +0800 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:37:47 +0800 Subject: Re: Stuck Ferrules Try mounting them on dowels or short sections of blanks then pull themapart when the glue is dry. Tony At 09:28 AM 1/18/01 -0800, Bill Walters wrote:Hi, I have two sets of ferrules that are not attachedto anything except themselves. Someone sent me twosets of N/S Montague ferrules that the male is stuckin the female. I've tried heating up the female with aheat gun to seperate them but I started smelling thesolder and stopped. I currently have both sets in thefreezer and am going to try taking them out and trylow heat to seperate. Anybody have any ideas? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 18 11:39:35 2001 f0IHdYe01095 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:38:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Stuck Ferrules Bill,Use some 5 minute epoxy to glue the ferrules to dowels.That'll give you something to grab to try to get themapart. Once apart, heat them to remove the dowels. Harry Bill Walters wrote: Hi, I have two sets of ferrules that are not attachedto anything except themselves. Someone sent me twosets of N/S Montague ferrules that the male is stuckin the female. I've tried heating up the female with aheat gun to seperate them but I started smelling thesolder and stopped. I currently have both sets in thefreezer and am going to try taking them out and trylow heat to seperate. Anybody have any ideas? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 18 11:40:45 2001 f0IHehe01272 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:40:43 +0800 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:40:42 +0800 Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Harry's absolutely right. Like a lot of things familiarity breeds contemptand computers deserve all the contempt you can muster :-) Remember when you were too petrified to do something wrong on the PC younow use every day? As time passes these things become less of a dread fearand more of an inconvenience.These days virus are simply a fact of computer life just as are HDDfailures, accidently deleted data and the stress felt when your ISP isdown. While nobody likes to get virus if you worry about them so much youleave a list or basically pull the plug on your modem the bastards havebeaten you. There has been good advise on the list about never opening an .exe file andbasically treat anything that looks out of the ordinary with suspicion aswell as using a virus scanner but you should consider that hard drivesdying are probably a lot more of a hassle than virus danger and the bestthing to do to reduce anxiety overall is make regular backups of your dataon rotated backup media. That way if for what ever reason you need tore-install you have a few vintages of backups to use just in case the mostrecent has the virus contained on it or the data is unrecoverable due tomedia failure which is always good for a laugh. Just to keep it in perspective a couple of days back I was asked to decideon what if any old computers were worth keeping and to throw any thatweren't out. Amongst all this there were seven 386 machines that I couldn'tfind any real use for so I removed the power supplies and RAM (on principalmore than expecting to find a use for it) and a few cards (same story) anddumped the rest of the carcass. At one point the kid I was given to help dothis came across a ream of copy paper and just as he was about to dump it Icaught him and told him not to throw the paper out because it cost goodmoney!! He looked at me like I had two heads and I have to admit it's ahard thing to justify based on what were were there doing.Think about that for a sec. A ream of paper is now worth more than 5 yearold PCs that cost almost $1500 to buy at the time.Years from now people will shake their heads at what we're doing just nowI'm sure of it. Tony In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Yesterday it worked.Today it is not working.Windows is like that. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from iank@ts.co.nz Thu Jan 18 12:41:17 2001 f0IIfBe03866 07:40:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of cane rodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250 to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K from jvswan@earthlink.net Thu Jan 18 13:15:19 2001 f0IJFIe05596 (63.225.232.197) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: competition Wow, for some reason I had always thought of this craft as sort of immunetothe threat of import knockoffs... Having said that, I guess I am not too concerned about their product.Bamboo rods are kind of an eclectic piece of equipment, and for most peopleare an acquired taste. There are so many people who took up fly fishingduring the "Sage Era" that they have very little sense of subtlety orfinesse. It seems like the people who actually look for a good bamboo rodare more likely to pay more for a rod and are going to look for them fromwell known sources if they don't have a friend in the business. Besides, people who fish with bamboo are not the kind of people who makepurchases because an item is "cheaper" or "less expensive" than analternative. Face it, bamboo rods are expensive. Time consuming for thebuilder and pricey for the purchaser. So, who would even look for, letalone consider, buying a bamboo rod because it is cheap? Those who areinterested in cheaper equipment are looking for graphite and probably don'tappreciate the feel and qualities of a bamboo rod. I hope that doesn't sound too elitist? Jason Swan From: "Ian Kearney" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250 to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K from ewp42@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 13:26:17 2001 f0IJQGe06209 2001 11:26:16 PST Subject: Re: competition Agree generally with what you say, Jason, but the Chinbese rods couldoffer a nice "entry level" opportunity for some who would like to trycane without a great deal of financial exposure. I guess I don't necessarily agree that the Chinese rods looked thatnice cosmetically. Who knows what they're like from a performancestandpoint? Assuming they perform reasonably well, they could be thecatalyst to move someone to a superior product from a domestic maker. Eric __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from jteft@frontiernet.net Thu Jan 18 13:52:24 2001 f0IJqNe07496 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:52:03 -0700 claiming to be "jteft" 2001 Subject: Re: competition Friends, Let us be careful about labeling things as cheap, knockoffs etc.until someone has purchased and evaluated one of these rods. Craftsmanabound in all parts of the world and are capable of producing or reproducinga quality product.There is a abundance of low cost labor in this country and if it has beencollected into a cooperative effort could possibly produce this type ofresults. JimT-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: competition Wow, for some reason I had always thought of this craft as sort of immunetothe threat of import knockoffs... Having said that, I guess I am not too concerned about their product.Bamboo rods are kind of an eclectic piece of equipment, and for mostpeopleare an acquired taste. There are so many people who took up fly fishingduring the "Sage Era" that they have very little sense of subtlety orfinesse. It seems like the people who actually look for a good bamboo rodare more likely to pay more for a rod and are going to look for them fromwell known sources if they don't have a friend in the business. Besides, people who fish with bamboo are not the kind of people who makepurchases because an item is "cheaper" or "less expensive" than analternative. Face it, bamboo rods are expensive. Time consuming for thebuilder and pricey for the purchaser. So, who would even look for, letalone consider, buying a bamboo rod because it is cheap? Those who areinterested in cheaper equipment are looking for graphite and probably don'tappreciate the feel and qualities of a bamboo rod. I hope that doesn't sound too elitist? Jason Swan From: "Ian Kearney" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K from ewp42@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 14:28:57 2001 f0IKSle09018 2001 12:28:49 PST Subject: Re: competition No intent on my part to label the Chinese rods as "cheap knockoffs" andsorry if I conveyed that impression. from what I could see in the pixon the web site, I was personally unimpressed with some of thecosmetics, such as some gratuitous wraps between ferrule and guide. All that opinion reflects is that I am pretty conservative in terms ofwhat I consider "nice" and "right." 'Twould be more interesting, asyou imply, to see/feel how the rods perform, however, than to criticizehow they look. Eric __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 15:01:47 2001 f0IL1ke10593 2001 13:01:47 PST Subject: Re: competition I for one would be very interested in hearing fromanyone that buys either a blank or a finished rod.This may have been Mr. Gerhke's dream come tofruition, a scary thought. Seems to me we willprobably be hearing alot from the Chinese in years tocome, in the economic arena. If they get organizedthey could put the 'hurtin' on many western economies. --- Jim Tefft wrote:Friends, Let us be careful about labeling things ascheap, knockoffs etc.until someone has purchased and evaluated one ofthese rods. Craftsmanabound in all parts of the world and are capable ofproducing or reproducinga quality product.There is a abundance of low cost labor in thiscountry and if it has beencollected into a cooperative effort could possiblyproduce this type ofresults. JimT-----Original Message-----From: Jason Swan Date: Thursday, January 18, 2001 2:17 PMSubject: Re: competition Wow, for some reason I had always thought of thiscraft as sort of immunetothe threat of import knockoffs... Having said that, I guess I am not too concernedabout their product.Bamboo rods are kind of an eclectic piece ofequipment, and for most peopleare an acquired taste. There are so many peoplewho took up fly fishingduring the "Sage Era" that they have very littlesense of subtlety orfinesse. It seems like the people who actuallylook for a good bamboo rodare more likely to pay more for a rod and are goingto look for them fromwell known sources if they don't have a friend inthe business. Besides, people who fish with bamboo are not thekind of people who makepurchases because an item is "cheaper" or "lessexpensive" than analternative. Face it, bamboo rods are expensive. Time consuming for thebuilder and pricey for the purchaser. So, whowould even look for, letalone consider, buying a bamboo rod because it ischeap? Those who areinterested in cheaper equipment are looking forgraphite and probably don'tappreciate the feel and qualities of a bamboo rod. I hope that doesn't sound too elitist? Jason Swan From: "Ian Kearney" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in thecommercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers siteonhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods lookquite nice , and at $250to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from anglport@con2.com Thu Jan 18 15:22:48 2001 f0ILMme11956 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Anyone who hasn't an antivirus on their machine might try downloadingInoculateIT from:http://antivirus.cai.com/ I have had it recommended by several people who use it (notably, DickFuhrman of the list and my own son). If it's for your home computer, it'sentirely free and VERY effective.I CAN'T have any connection, remember, the dopey thing is FREE!!!!!!Art At 10:43 AM 01/18/2001 -0600, Harry Boyd wrote:Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Thu Jan 18 16:49:35 2001 f0IMnXe15764 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:48:36 -0700 , Subject: Re: competition This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. I agree Bill...Many western economies have already been hurt. More will follow. But, I =don't think many people will be willing to spend discretionary funds on a =less than authentic rod. For lack of a better analogy, it would be like a =U.S. manufacture trying to sell mass produced Samurai swords to the =Japanese. By the way, just look at the low bids for old Japanese rods on =E- bay. Some of them do look nice -but- just imagine showing off your new =Harbor Freight rod to your friends. Jim Bill Walters 01/18/01 02:01PM >>>I for one would be very interested in hearing fromanyone that buys either a blank or a finished rod.This may have been Mr. Gerhke's dream come tofruition, a scary thought. Seems to me we willprobably be hearing alot from the Chinese in years tocome, in the economic arena. If they get organizedthey could put the 'hurtin' on many western economies. I agree Bill...Many western economies have already been analogy, it would be like a U.S. manufacture trying to sell mass = friends. one = be very interested in hearing fromanyone that buys either a blank or = finished rod.This may have been Mr. Gerhke's dream cometofruition,= scary thought. Seems to me we willprobably be hearing alot from the = in years tocome, in the economic arena. If they get organizedthey= put the 'hurtin' on many western economies. from dr.matro@airmail.net Thu Jan 18 17:05:08 2001 f0IN57e16483 sender: sender: Organization: KC Graphics Subject: Lake Thanks mac-creator="4D4F5353" It's a cold and rainy day here in North Texas. Got a big fire going inthe fireplace, doing year-end stuff for the graphics biz, watching oneof the cats sleeping on the big monitor and trying not to fall off. Then I ran across some unfinished business from 2000. I never thanked all the people who helped make SRG 2000 such a hugesuccess. Not just Harry, Mike, Charlie, Rick and Dennis. But John Z,Harold & Eileen, Al & Carole & Clara, Bill L and Morten L and Mark vPand anyone else who presented and that I've overlooked. I'd also like to thank those who gave a little piece of themselves,donating from their private treasure troves to make the silent auction avery special event.Bob Venneri-Reel SeatDarrell & Mark Arnel-Floatation VestKurt SchenewerkShaun SchmitzBob Nunely-Reel Seat BlanksRick Funcik-Roughing FormMike Biondo-Bamboo CulmJohn & Terri Madden-Deer Skins/Rod Cases & BagsMike Antrim-FlylineDennis Conrad-Conrach HacklesHarold & Eileen Demarest-Books & MagazineJim Hatfield-Alcohol Torch, Peach CobblerMark & Regina Van Patten-Gift BasketGolden Witch-Splice Block/Silk/Bloxygen/Ferrule PullerBill Lamberson-Reel Seat HardwareWayne Cattanach-BookDan Cooney-Dial GaugeHarry Boyd-NS TubingJohn Zimny-Zimny FerruleMark Evans-Rod Tube KitTom Chirko-Wader Straps; Tool CaddyDennis Higham-Plane; Fly VestWoodson Emmons-Block PlaneSteve Trauthwein- BookDan Rockafellow-Leather Rod TubeOnis & Jamie Cogburn-Reel SeatBrian Justiss-Bamboo Flyrod MagazinesREC-CorkRick Crenshaw-Reel SeatsKen Cole-MagazineRon Barch-Book & RodcaseBob Graves- Cigars Thanks again everyone, and Happy New Millennium...yes, I'm one of thosepeople. Ken Cole1/18/01-Dallas from harms1@pa.net Thu Jan 18 17:13:29 2001 f0INDSe16979 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:13:23 -0500 Subject: Folks, I'm SAFE again This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0817A.3A7AE660 -----------------------------------------------------Dear Listmembers, As you know, I was infected by the "emanuel.exe" virus this morning. My =comptuer went absolutely crazy as a result, automatically sending out =messages and pollutinjg the list with infected garbage. I spent the =rest of the day (because, obviously, I'm an idiot in the first place) =finding out how to correct the problem. To all who may have been affected as well as to all who were simply =annoyed, please accept my deepest apologies for this carelessness on my =part. Several listmembers were indignant with me and the havoc I caused =(and I certainly wouldn't blame them for that), but to Wayne Cattenach, =Fred Bohls, Tony Young and especially Harry Boyd, I want to extend my = Fortunately, most of you had already been warned of this virus, and I =pray that the rest of you were wise enough simply to avoid "my" messages =this morning. Unfortunately for me, however, I had not been on my =computer for two days, and I did not know of the virus. My email is =arranged with the oldest messages at the top of the list, so when I =started in, there was the "emanuel.exe" attatchment promising great =info. about the Edwards quad. You know the rest. And, of course, as I =later saw, there toward the bottom of my list were all the warnings =about this attachment--too late for me. All is well with my system now, but once again, my friends, please hear =me when I say how ashamed I am to have caused so much trouble for you. =A real "rookie" move for a guy who's been around the block more than a =couple times. Cheers, Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0817A.3A7AE660 Listmembers, As you know, Iwas = crazy as a result, automatically sending out messages and pollutinjg the = problem. To all who mayhave = indignant with me and the havoc I caused (and I certainly wouldn't blame = Fortunately,most of = Unfortunately for me, however, I had not been on my computer for two = "emanuel.exe" attatchment promising great info. about the Edwards = attachment--too late for me. All is well with my system= been around the block more than a couple times. Cheers, =Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0817A.3A7AE660-- from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 18 17:23:24 2001 f0INNNe17448 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:23:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Folks, I'm SAFE again Bill,Glad to have you back with us, safe and sound again. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 18 17:23:55 2001 f0INNse17538 Subject: Re: competition Fellow Listers, There is something to be considered here in all this. Despite the rods beingrelatively inexpensive, despite the unknown with regard to quality, castingability, etc. there is a larger picture worthy of consideration. Would anyof you, given that you wanted to buy a bamboo rod, send your money toChina,to someone you don't know, for a product of which you know nothing and thathas no warranty, no support system, and no one to whom you might talk, askquestions, and hold accountable? Now, if the Chinese were to have an foreignimporter with rods available, and one whom is accountable, they might have abetter shot at making a go of this. This idea, however, would require theinvestment of a considerable sum of capital, time, and energy, and all this you do it? I wouldn't. Also, consider that the profit potential is much, much greater with aplastic rod than with a bamboo rod -- any bamboo rod. It matters not thatChina has a less expensive, more vast labor pool. When plastic rods canbehad on a distributor level for less than $100.00, with plenty of potential the aforementioned commodities on the hypothetical marketaforementioned?And I won't even go into the millions and millions of dollars that have beenspent to tell Joe Sixpack how to think -- and he thinks PLASTIC. I wish the people involved in this endeavor the very best, and wouldencourage them, as I would anyone, to continue to strive towards whatevergoals they might have, to continue to better themselves, and to becomemoreskilled, more capable as rodmakers. Inasmuch as this is not rodmaking related I will retire from this subject.Please mail me off list with any comments, flames, invectives, or rawdiatribes, as well as rationed, reasoned, intelligent, passioned arguments,attaboys, or commiserations. M-D Agree generally with what you say, Jason, but the Chinese rods couldoffer a nice "entry level" opportunity for some who would like to trycane without a great deal of financial exposure.Eric from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 18 17:23:57 2001 f0INNue17543 Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Amen. Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Thu Jan 18 17:41:27 2001 f0INfRe18673 +0000 Subject: Bait Casting and Tournament Bait Casting Tapers As a follow on to my recent posting on tournament fly rod tapers hereare a few bait casting tapers ( for those few of us interested ! )asextracted from 'Tournament Fly and Bait Casting Tapers ' by Earl Ostenand published by Barnes in 1946. All dims are in sixty fourths of an inch ! such a taper earlier in the week for his father in law and the 18lbtrout in his local fishery....where do these lucky people live ????)Length 51/2'Calibrations at 6" intervals9,11,13,15,18,20,22,24,27 and 29 General All Round bait CasterLength 51/2'8,9,11,13,15,17,19,20,22 and 24 One Piece Tournament Rods yet with abundant power to propel the plug to the farthest targets.Specification ALength 6' 1 1/2"7,8,9,11,12,13,15,16,18,19 and 26 Specification BLength 6'7,8,10,11,12,13,14,16,17,18 and 25 Specification ALength 6'1 1/2"7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,17 and 26 Specification BLength 6'1 3/4"6,7,8,10,11,11,12,14,16,19 and 21 ( described as a very light action ) Specification APronounced Tip ActionLength 5 1/2'9,11,13,15,18,20,22,24,27 and 29 Specification BStraight Taper ,Extra Heavy Full length Action.11,12,15,16,18,20,22,24,25 and 27 Length 5 1/2'8,11,13,15,18,20,21,22,23 and 24.Note the last two calibrations could be 25/64 and 26/64 withoutaffecting the action of this superb rod ( so says the book ! ) Regards all.......Paul from cbogart@shentel.net Thu Jan 18 17:59:57 2001 f0INxue19362 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:59:54 -0500 "wlwalter77us@yahoo.com" (5.0.2195;1) Subject: Re: Stuck Ferrules Tony Use hot melt glue - not epoxy. Now you know why some guys make ferrule pullers. Chris On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:38:44 +0800, Tony Young wrote: Try mounting them on dowels or short sections of blanks then pull themapart when the glue is dry. Tony At 09:28 AM 1/18/01 -0800, Bill Walters wrote:Hi, I have two sets of ferrules that are not attachedto anything except themselves. Someone sent me twosets of N/S Montague ferrules that the male is stuckin the female. I've tried heating up the female with aheat gun to seperate them but I started smelling thesolder and stopped. I currently have both sets in thefreezer and am going to try taking them out and trylow heat to seperate. Anybody have any ideas? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from flytyr@southshore.com Thu Jan 18 18:05:39 2001 f0J05ce19673 Subject: Re: Folks, I'm SAFE again --------------157C03CAFD6FC5666FB8D807 Bill,You don't know how close I came to opening thefirst message with the Quad.I pondered over it and came so close to clickingon it.I was just lucky that I did not do it. If I get aEXE attachment I send a message to the person who before I open it. If they did not send anattachment then they know they have one attachedand can stop sending mail till they clean it up.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com WILLIAM HARMS wrote: ----------------------------------------------------- Dear Listmembers, As you know, I was infected bythe "emanuel.exe" virus this morning. Mycomptuer went absolutely crazy as a result,automatically sending out messages andpollutinjg the list with infected garbage. Ispent the rest of the day (because, obviously,I'm an idiot in the first place) finding out howto correct the problem. To all who may have beenaffected as well as to all who were simplyannoyed, please accept my deepest apologies forthis carelessness on my part. Severallistmembers were indignant with me and the havocI caused (and I certainly wouldn't blame them Tony Young and especially Harry Boyd, I want toextend my deepest gratitude for vouching for mycharacter. Fortunately, most of you had alreadybeen warned of this virus, and I pray that therest of you were wise enough simply to avoid"my" messages this morning. Unfortunately forme, however, I had not been on my computer fortwo days, and I did not know of the virus. Myemail is arranged with the oldest messages atthe top of the list, so when I started in, therewas the "emanuel.exe" attatchment promisinggreat info. about the Edwards quad. You knowthe rest. And, of course, as I later saw, theretoward the bottom of my list were all thewarnings about this attachment--too late forme. All is well with my system now, but onceagain, my friends, please hear me when I say howashamed I am to have caused so much trouble foryou. A real "rookie" move for a guy who's beenaround the block more than a coupletimes. Cheers, Bill --------------157C03CAFD6FC5666FB8D807 Bill,You don't know how close I came to opening the first message with theQuad.I pondered over it and came so close to clicking on it.I was just lucky that I did not do it. If I get a EXE attachment Isend a message to the person who sent it and ask if they sent me anattachmentbefore I open it. If they did not send an attachment then they know theyhave one attached and can stop sending mail till they clean it up. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: ---------------------------Dear My comptuer went absolutely crazy as a result, automatically sending out rest of the day (because, obviously, I'm an idiot in the first place) finding all who may have been affected as well as to all who were simply annoyed, Several listmembers were indignant with me and the havoc I caused (andI certainly wouldn't blame them for that), but to Wayne Cattenach, FredBohls, Tony Young and especially Harry Boyd, I want to extend my deepestgratitude for vouching for my most of you had already been warned of this virus, and I pray that therest of you were wise enough simply to avoid "my" messages this Unfortunately for me, however, I had not been on my computer for two days, messages at the top of the list, so when I started in, therewas the "emanuel.exe" attatchment promising great info. about the Edwards toward the bottom of my list were all the warnings about is well with my system now, but once again, my friends, please hear me A real "rookie" move for a guy who's been around the block more than a --------------157C03CAFD6FC5666FB8D807-- from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 18 18:06:35 2001 f0J06Ze19802 Subject: The Best There Is! I watched the virus go through today. Wish my problem could be solved as easy as deleting a few emails. I have a REAL virus. It's called my ISP! You know, the guy who is SUPPOSED to supply you internet SERVICE. My present problem began over a month ago. Periodically, as an ISP grows, he gets more customers than he can service. Usually, he adds more computer power and the problem, goes away. This problem shows up as a busy signal when you try and connect. Usually it goes away in a few days. This time it lasted over a month and at it's height, sometimes took the dialer working for an hour to get an open line. (I had it set to redial as soon as it detected a busy signal.) Finally, this past weekend it quit giving a busy signal. Now it connects every time I dial...for 30 seconds. Yep, I can connect but you sure can't do much in 30 seconds. I double checked to make sure it wasn't my set-up. I tried two modems, two operating systems and two computers. Same problem on all. I tried calling the ISP. Placed on hold a total of 1 hour for two calls to technical support. Got a bunch of telephone numbers the first time...they didn't work either. The second time, the tech was sure it was the telephone system! Of course the telephone guy says no problem with the line, it is the computer guys(ISP). I sent several email reports of trouble to the technical support group. Got several automated responses saying they had receivedmy emails and one email saying they were glad I had called their technical support group and would I please fill out their opinion survey. Boy DID I fill it out! Haven't received an answer to that yet. I thought about changing my ISP...Really didn't want to...like changing your telephone number or address. Seems like you never get things straightened out. But finally, I decided I had had enough. So I logged onto CNET to see who was best. Then I found out. My ISP is Earthlink. Earthlink is rated by CNET as the best there is! Best regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com (for now) from ajthramer@hotmail.com Thu Jan 18 18:07:06 2001 f0J075e19978 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:07:01 -0800 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:07:01 GMT Subject: Re: competition FILETIME=[BF400B10:01C081AB] From: "Ian Kearney" Subject: competitionDate: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of cane rodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250 to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K I have seen the blanks , you will notice that there are no closeups of the canework? A good reason for that. I can say with certainty that the cane work will not pass muster with an increasingly sophisticated US consumer. In the US we have built the best cane rods for a century plus, don't know exactly why, but I think it has something to do with the Puritanical strive sum of its parts, it has to please the eye, the soul , and the casting hand. A related point is what happened to Fenwick, excellent reputation for many years, operation moved offshore. Even with oversight they have been relegated to the low to mid priced sporting goods store type of sales that no serious fisherman would get caught with. No love lost with the serious FF community, alot of it due to the very fact that the operation WAS moved offshore and a resulting perception of a lowered quality. Things are always changing in every market, if this turns out to be a serious threat we will learn to adapt.A.J.Thramer I_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from johanyga@online.no Thu Jan 18 18:44:59 2001 f0J0iwe21471 (MET) Subject: Asbjoern Hoergaard Dear listmembers, I just learned that Asbjoern Hoergaard, the Norwegian rodmaker who wasportraited in the the current issue of Power Fibers, passed away last Mondayat the age of 90.I met Asbjoern a couple of times during the late 70's, and I am the luckyowner of several of his best rods. regardsJohan Nygaardsvold from oakmere@carol.net Thu Jan 18 18:53:06 2001 f0J0r5e21780 Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Hi Folks: A fishing friend has ask that I look at a Heddon bamboo rod. The rodhistory is that it was purchased at Ambercrombie and Fitch (surlymisspelled) in Chicago in the early 50's, and given to him about 15 yearsago by the owner. He subsequently coated the guide wrappings (more aboutthat coating in a minute). The only label on the rod is the name "The Pine"in script. It is a one tip, 3 piece rod that is 9 feet long. The finish isexcellent except for what my friend tried to do to the wraps. I haveconsulted Sinclair's restoration book and found the following about thisrod. The reel seat has a patent no. 1624052 which is verified by DonPhillip's book, "The Technology of Fly Rods." There are no other markingson the rod. It has blacken nickle silver ferrules and reel seat. It has themarblized mottled Pyraline spacer, a black tenite butt cap, and adownlocking threaded sliding band and locking nut. It has the same geometryhandle and size as described for the 1948-1954 Heddon rods in Sinclair. Theguides are gold wraps with black tipping. My friend was told it was aPresident model, but looking at Sinclair's book it would appear to be aPeerless model when compared to the wrappings. Any input on the modelwouldbe appreciated. Ok, here is the tough stuff. It appears that the owner applied a finishover the wraps some years ago. It could be polyurthane, shellac, orlacquer, he does not remember. The wrap finish has bubbled up and looksvery bad. It makes a very beautiful rod look terrible. Some of this finishran onto the ferrules and in some places onto the varnished bamboo shafts.I think it is shellac and not polyurthane or lacquer. I think the reasonthat it is shellac is that I used wood alcohol to remove it from one of theferrules and it came off easily. Also when I used my fingers to apply thealcohol, they became orange - the orange color of shellac. If it werepolyurthane I don't think the alcohol would have attacked it. Also I havenoted that the alcohol attacks the finish on the bamboo as well in a testspot. I have talked to the owner and he is almost sure he did not uselacquer to coat the wraps, but he did not know for sure. I also noted onthe wrap next to the ferrule that the alcohol removed in a small area thewrap color and the wrap looks white. Could the color have been painted onthe wrap before finishing or would alcohol do this to the rod wrap? Thealcohol leave kind of a sticky finish until it dries. OK, should I explore some other solvent to get at the problem and see whatelse happens in a small area, or should I do something else? The ownerwould like to have the rod "fixed up" before he uses it. The varnish onmost of the rod is outstanding so I hesistate to do anything to it, but thewraps are a real mess and need serious attention. Looking for some answers from this list of experts.Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Thu Jan 18 18:59:36 2001 f0J0xYe22145 ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:58:07 -0500 Subject: Imported rods I am surprised, AJ, that you were able to see one. I had a gentleman offer me a few, and I asked for a sample to review in Power Fibers. They refused, saying that they did not have any available at the time. I thought this was suspicious that they had none on hand. (However, I do understand that most makers aren't just sending out rods for review anywhere.) My cynical self thought it must have been a scam.Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 18 19:17:49 2001 f0J1Hme22711 Subject: Re: The Best There Is! Hey! It's fixed! (Knock on wood and cross my heart etc. etc.). At least I decided to call customer service instead of technical service and complain to them. Well, this nice lady looked at my account and figured out what the problem was. I had signed with Netcom several years ago. Netcom was bought by Mindspring and Mindspring was bought by Earthlink. In the process of transferring identity, passwords and the like, it was noted that my password was encrypted but nothing was done. Apparently for some applications it didn't know who I was. That's why the phone numbers they gave me wouldn't work. Since the number I normally use was the one I had signed up on, it knew me but the alternate numbers didn't. The problem was, the number that knew me has started dropping calls. It's to bad the technical guys didn't stay with me long enough to pick up on that. It's getting there when a lady in customer service is better than the techs! Best regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com (guess I'll keep it a while longer!) from edriddle@mindspring.com Thu Jan 18 19:22:49 2001 f0J1Mme23076 Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Harry:Thanks for the calming effect...well said... and continue to keep us civil.Ed----- Original Message ----- Subject: Attitude toward Virus warnings Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. from Canerods@aol.com Thu Jan 18 19:31:45 2001 f0J1Vie23498 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance --part1_86.5b73c7b.2798f2d9_boundary Frank, Heddon varnish is just looking for an excuse to melt down. Any solvent on Heddon Varnish will most likely melt it beyond repair. Send it off to Michael Sinclair or other rod restorer to rub out. IMHO, Don Burns --part1_86.5b73c7b.2798f2d9_boundary Frank, Heddon varnish is just looking for an excuse to melt down. Any solventon Heddon Varnish will most likely melt it beyond repair. Send it off toMichael Sinclair or other rod restorer to rub out. IMHO, Don Burns --part1_86.5b73c7b.2798f2d9_boundary-- from Canerods@aol.com Thu Jan 18 19:32:00 2001 f0J1Vxe23591 Subject: Re: Folks, I'm SAFE again --part1_37.f8da9db.2798f2dc_boundary All, I setup my AOL account that I use for rodmakers and FF@ to block ALL attachements - saves lots of grief. If you have the means to setup more than one email account that you do the same with one of them. Don Burns --part1_37.f8da9db.2798f2dc_boundary All, I setup my AOL account that I use for rodmakers and FF@ to block ALL attachements - saves lots of grief. If you have the means to setup more than one email account that youdo the same with one of them. Don Burns --part1_37.f8da9db.2798f2dc_boundary-- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Thu Jan 18 19:44:32 2001 f0J1iWe24219 ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:41:57 -0500 Subject: e-mail change HI everyone:As some of you know, I have been in ISP limbo (HI Onis). My new direct e-mail is bmaulucci@adelphia.net. THe forwarded messages from bob@downandacross.com should be working, but I seem to be missing stuff. Please use the direct e-mail if you need me. Sorry for the bandwidth. HOpe you are all well, Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 18 20:18:04 2001 f0J2I2e25053 Subject: viruses So far, I've not succumbed to a virus...yet. I don't open any attachment that I don't know what is. But I don't know how much longer that will suffice. A few years ago, I started using Eudora Lite because it was cheap (free) and it worked well. At that time you could set Eudora so it only recognized ascii. No matter what was attached or in it, if it was set to ascii, everything was converted to ascii. It was interesting looking at the ascii remains of the virus..and no danger of infection from the now dead virus. The problem now is the movement to put more and more features into all programs and that includes the email clients. I am now using Eudora version 5 and I can not find any command that will limit the output to ascii only. A few months ago we saw what an virus could do when it infected the MS Outlook Express. The attempts to put features into programs such as email clients weakens them to invasion by viruses. Supposedly, if you don't execute an attachment you can't catch the virus. This was certainly true a couple of years ago but the virus creators found they could imbed them in Word document files as macros tobe executed when the document was opened by the feature rich Word program. Then someone found out how to get the virus to be executed by another feature rich program, Outlook Express. I'm not really sure how safe any of the email client packages are anymore. Another morbid thought brought to you by,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 18 20:22:16 2001 f0J2MFe26077 Subject: The Cursed CometCursor This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0818B.E9BD2BE0 To whomever may be interested: In the recent CometCursor debacle I hereby admit to some degree of =fault, and to some perhaps mistaken misgivings about CometCursor. I have =had a series of ongoing "conversations" with the people at =CometCursor. If any of you are interested in reading the entire =discussion, please e-mail me OFF LIST, and I will forward same to you. M-D ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0818B.E9BD2BE0 To whomever may interested: In the = CometCursor debacle I hereby admit to some degree of fault, and to some = interested in reading the entire discussion, please e-mail me OFF LIST, = will forward same to you. M-D ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0818B.E9BD2BE0-- from edriddle@mindspring.com Thu Jan 18 20:33:31 2001 f0J2XUe26521 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Frank:I just took a gander at my copy of the "Heddon" book by Michael Sinclair andsee within no reference to Heddon making rods for A & F. The book doesinclude a listing of Heddon made trade rods and firms, dated 4/6/37, thatdoes include a "trade name rod" called "The Pine" made for a firm named " C.G. Baisch" ( of whom I've never heard). (Maybe A & F picked this up at alater date?). Sorry I can't provide more, surely there is more info outthere on the List.Regards,Ed----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Hi Folks: A fishing friend has ask that I look at a Heddon bamboo rod. The rodhistory is that it was purchased at Ambercrombie and Fitch (surlymisspelled) in Chicago in the early 50's, and given to him about 15 yearsago by the owner. He subsequently coated the guide wrappings (more aboutthat coating in a minute). The only label on the rod is the name "ThePine"in script. It is a one tip, 3 piece rod that is 9 feet long. The finish isexcellent except for what my friend tried to do to the wraps. I haveconsulted Sinclair's restoration book and found the following about thisrod. The reel seat has a patent no. 1624052 which is verified by DonPhillip's book, "The Technology of Fly Rods." There are no other markingson the rod. It has blacken nickle silver ferrules and reel seat. It hasthemarblized mottled Pyraline spacer, a black tenite butt cap, and adownlocking threaded sliding band and locking nut. It has the samegeometryhandle and size as described for the 1948-1954 Heddon rods in Sinclair.Theguides are gold wraps with black tipping. My friend was told it was aPresident model, but looking at Sinclair's book it would appear to be aPeerless model when compared to the wrappings. Any input on the modelwouldbe appreciated. Ok, here is the tough stuff. It appears that the owner applied a finishover the wraps some years ago. It could be polyurthane, shellac, orlacquer, he does not remember. The wrap finish has bubbled up and looksvery bad. It makes a very beautiful rod look terrible. Some of this finishran onto the ferrules and in some places onto the varnished bambooshafts.I think it is shellac and not polyurthane or lacquer. I think the reasonthat it is shellac is that I used wood alcohol to remove it from one oftheferrules and it came off easily. Also when I used my fingers to apply thealcohol, they became orange - the orange color of shellac. If it werepolyurthane I don't think the alcohol would have attacked it. Also I havenoted that the alcohol attacks the finish on the bamboo as well in a testspot. I have talked to the owner and he is almost sure he did not uselacquer to coat the wraps, but he did not know for sure. I also noted onthe wrap next to the ferrule that the alcohol removed in a small area thewrap color and the wrap looks white. Could the color have been painted onthe wrap before finishing or would alcohol do this to the rod wrap? Thealcohol leave kind of a sticky finish until it dries. OK, should I explore some other solvent to get at the problem and see whatelse happens in a small area, or should I do something else? The ownerwould like to have the rod "fixed up" before he uses it. The varnish onmost of the rod is outstanding so I hesistate to do anything to it, butthewraps are a real mess and need serious attention. Looking for someanswers from this list of experts.Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from rmcelvain@uswest.net Thu Jan 18 20:50:39 2001 f0J2oce27099 oemcomputer.uswest.net) (63.230.7.28) Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance The A & F store in Chicago in the 40's and 50's was better known as VL&A, Von Legerke & Antione (really bad spelling on L and A, sorry). Most of their merchandise was sold under the VL&A label. A really great sporting goods store with clerks who fished and hunted.Best regards, Bob McElvain At 09:34 PM 1/18/01 -0500, you wrote:Frank:I just took a gander at my copy of the "Heddon" book by Michael Sinclair andsee within no reference to Heddon making rods for A & F. The book doesinclude a listing of Heddon made trade rods and firms, dated 4/6/37, thatdoes include a "trade name rod" called "The Pine" made for a firm named "C.G. Baisch" ( of whom I've never heard). (Maybe A & F picked this up at alater date?). Sorry I can't provide more, surely there is more info outthere on the List.Regards,Ed----- Original Message -----From: "Frank W. Paul" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 7:53 PMSubject: RE: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Hi Folks: A fishing friend has ask that I look at a Heddon bamboo rod. The rodhistory is that it was purchased at Ambercrombie and Fitch (surlymisspelled) in Chicago in the early 50's, and given to him about 15 yearsago by the owner. He subsequently coated the guide wrappings (moreaboutthat coating in a minute). The only label on the rod is the name "ThePine"in script. It is a one tip, 3 piece rod that is 9 feet long. The finish isexcellent except for what my friend tried to do to the wraps. I haveconsulted Sinclair's restoration book and found the following about thisrod. The reel seat has a patent no. 1624052 which is verified by DonPhillip's book, "The Technology of Fly Rods." There are no other markingson the rod. It has blacken nickle silver ferrules and reel seat. It hasthemarblized mottled Pyraline spacer, a black tenite butt cap, and adownlocking threaded sliding band and locking nut. It has the samegeometryhandle and size as described for the 1948-1954 Heddon rods in Sinclair.Theguides are gold wraps with black tipping. My friend was told it was aPresident model, but looking at Sinclair's book it would appear to be aPeerless model when compared to the wrappings. Any input on the modelwouldbe appreciated. Ok, here is the tough stuff. It appears that the owner applied a finishover the wraps some years ago. It could be polyurthane, shellac, orlacquer, he does not remember. The wrap finish has bubbled up and looksvery bad. It makes a very beautiful rod look terrible. Some of this finishran onto the ferrules and in some places onto the varnished bambooshafts.I think it is shellac and not polyurthane or lacquer. I think the reasonthat it is shellac is that I used wood alcohol to remove it from one oftheferrules and it came off easily. Also when I used my fingers to apply thealcohol, they became orange - the orange color of shellac. If it werepolyurthane I don't think the alcohol would have attacked it. Also I havenoted that the alcohol attacks the finish on the bamboo as well in a testspot. I have talked to the owner and he is almost sure he did not uselacquer to coat the wraps, but he did not know for sure. I also noted onthe wrap next to the ferrule that the alcohol removed in a small area thewrap color and the wrap looks white. Could the color have been painted onthe wrap before finishing or would alcohol do this to the rod wrap? Thealcohol leave kind of a sticky finish until it dries. OK, should I explore some other solvent to get at the problem and seewhatelse happens in a small area, or should I do something else? The ownerwould like to have the rod "fixed up" before he uses it. The varnish onmost of the rod is outstanding so I hesistate to do anything to it, butthewraps are a real mess and need serious attention. Looking for someanswers from this list of experts.Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from richjez@enteract.com Thu Jan 18 21:08:24 2001 f0J38Ne27691 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings --=====================_2159244==_.ALT I agree Harry and would like to add one more thing. Use a mail program other than Microsoft and you are less like to pass infections like this on. These bugs are mostly written to infect and use microsoft's softrare. Rich Jezioro At 10:43 AM 1/18/01, Harry Boyd wrote:Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > ))):>-- =====================_2159244==_.ALT I agree Harry and would like to add one more thing. Use a mail program other than Microsoft and you are less like to passinfections like this on. These bugs are mostly written to infect and usemicrosoft's softrare. Rich Jezioro At 10:43 AM 1/18/01, Harry Boyd wrote:Friends, messages and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever, know for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me, times I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too. our last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me a thing. a October of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would ever anxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. as --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ *_____________ ___________________) @/ ||/ ____/||_________________________________________ p;/\ ; / bsp; --=====================_2159244==_.ALT-- from ctn45555@centurytel.net Thu Jan 18 21:33:42 2001 f0J3Xge28386 Organization: Smith & Boyd Subject: Chuck problems I am getting ready to ferrule my first rod and am having some latheproblems. Basically, I can't get the blank perfectly centered in thechuck. I thought maybe the rod shaft was not straight, but have sincetried some straight metal dowels and get the same result (i.e. with alight pass, one side will be turned just slightly more than the other).I've tried using tape shims but that is proving frustrating. I don'twant to buy a new chuck at this point. Any ideas? I have tried using abastard file to turn a rod shaft from a broken bamboo rod. That seems towork really well. Anything wrong with using a file to turn down theferrule stations? Thanks in advance for your help, Chad S. Boyd from jerryy@webtv.net Thu Jan 18 21:53:41 2001 f0J3ree28987 (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA22833; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:53:41 - ETAsAhQKYAkMtaD5l3KM0YgDcU+V0dlyGwIUM4hbAi0+crTWmWV0OGI8OSJ2rLE= Subject: Re: Chuck problems JanContent-Disposition: Inline Chad - before you do anything I would suggest that you check the run outand find out exactly what the problem is. I have just bought a new Jet9 x20" lathe and before I did any thing I mounted a 1" mandrel andchecked with a .0001 indicator on a magnet base. Also use large scribepoints in the spindle and tailstock and match them if necessary. If itis the chuck you can check the runout. I have seen people that took thejaws apart and didn't mount them in sequence. Some chucks are so faroff that it may be necessary to mount a morse taper reamer in the tailstock and true up the jaws. It could even be the chuck back plate notbeing mounted on centers. Good luck, Jerry Young from darrell@rockclimbing.org Thu Jan 18 22:08:03 2001 f0J482e29391 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance The President #50 has a very distinctive and unique round butt cap and reelseat hood much different than the standard Heddons. The #35 has astandardlooking reel seat except that the wood spacer is walnut. It sounds like ithas a heddon seat, it's hard to say if it's a Heddon without seeing thewhole rod as I've never seen a Heddon by AF... Darrell-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Frank:I just took a gander at my copy of the "Heddon" book by Michael Sinclair andsee within no reference to Heddon making rods for A & F. The book doesinclude a listing of Heddon made trade rods and firms, dated 4/6/37, thatdoes include a "trade name rod" called "The Pine" made for a firm named " C.G. Baisch" ( of whom I've never heard). (Maybe A & F picked this up at alater date?). Sorry I can't provide more, surely there is more info outthere on the List.Regards,Ed----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Hi Folks: A fishing friend has ask that I look at a Heddon bamboo rod. The rodhistory is that it was purchased at Ambercrombie and Fitch (surlymisspelled) in Chicago in the early 50's, and given to him about 15 yearsago by the owner. He subsequently coated the guide wrappings (more aboutthat coating in a minute). The only label on the rod is the name "ThePine"in script. It is a one tip, 3 piece rod that is 9 feet long. The finish isexcellent except for what my friend tried to do to the wraps. I haveconsulted Sinclair's restoration book and found the following about thisrod. The reel seat has a patent no. 1624052 which is verified by DonPhillip's book, "The Technology of Fly Rods." There are no other markingson the rod. It has blacken nickle silver ferrules and reel seat. It hasthemarblized mottled Pyraline spacer, a black tenite butt cap, and adownlocking threaded sliding band and locking nut. It has the samegeometryhandle and size as described for the 1948-1954 Heddon rods in Sinclair.Theguides are gold wraps with black tipping. My friend was told it was aPresident model, but looking at Sinclair's book it would appear to be aPeerless model when compared to the wrappings. Any input on the modelwouldbe appreciated. Ok, here is the tough stuff. It appears that the owner applied a finishover the wraps some years ago. It could be polyurthane, shellac, orlacquer, he does not remember. The wrap finish has bubbled up and looksvery bad. It makes a very beautiful rod look terrible. Some of this finishran onto the ferrules and in some places onto the varnished bambooshafts.I think it is shellac and not polyurthane or lacquer. I think the reasonthat it is shellac is that I used wood alcohol to remove it from one oftheferrules and it came off easily. Also when I used my fingers to apply thealcohol, they became orange - the orange color of shellac. If it werepolyurthane I don't think the alcohol would have attacked it. Also I havenoted that the alcohol attacks the finish on the bamboo as well in a testspot. I have talked to the owner and he is almost sure he did not uselacquer to coat the wraps, but he did not know for sure. I also noted onthe wrap next to the ferrule that the alcohol removed in a small area thewrap color and the wrap looks white. Could the color have been painted onthe wrap before finishing or would alcohol do this to the rod wrap? Thealcohol leave kind of a sticky finish until it dries. OK, should I explore some other solvent to get at the problem and see whatelse happens in a small area, or should I do something else? The ownerwould like to have the rod "fixed up" before he uses it. The varnish onmost of the rod is outstanding so I hesistate to do anything to it, butthewraps are a real mess and need serious attention. Looking for someanswers from this list of experts.Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from flytyr@southshore.com Thu Jan 18 22:21:24 2001 f0J4LNe29781 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:19:29 -0600 Subject: Re: Chuck problems What I did on my 9X20 was remove the chuck from the spindle flange. Threescrews is all it takes. Mark the flange and the chuck with a dimple at onescrew location. I don't think is really necessary but I did it. Take a verylight cut on the face of the flange. Mine was slightly off. I took severalthousands off till the face was completely flat. It made a big difference. Iam only out about .0005 now. I was out .003.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jerry Young wrote: Chad - before you do anything I would suggest that you check the run outand find out exactly what the problem is. I have just bought a new Jet9 x20" lathe and before I did any thing I mounted a 1" mandrel andchecked with a .0001 indicator on a magnet base. Also use large scribepoints in the spindle and tailstock and match them if necessary. If itis the chuck you can check the runout. I have seen people that took thejaws apart and didn't mount them in sequence. Some chucks are so faroff that it may be necessary to mount a morse taper reamer in the tailstock and true up the jaws. It could even be the chuck back plate notbeing mounted on centers. Good luck, Jerry Young from TBOWDEN@halcyon.com Thu Jan 18 22:47:26 2001 f0J4lPe00383 Subject: Re: competition Interesting to note that Jim Green was the head honcho at Fenwick back inthe 60s and 70s when they were "top of the line". When he left Fenwick, hefounded a new company - SAGE. So I guess the rodmaker really does makes adifference, even for fiberglass/graphite. Tom A related point is what happened to Fenwick, excellent reputation for many years, operation moved offshore. Even with oversight they have been relegated to the low to mid priced sporting goods store type of sales that no serious fisherman would get caught with. No love lost with the serious FF community, alot of it due to the very fact that the operation WAS moved offshore and a resulting perception of a lowered quality. Things are always changing in every market, if this turns out to be a serious threat we will learn to adapt.A.J.Thramer I_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from lblan@provide.net Thu Jan 18 22:50:12 2001 f0J4oCe00565 Subject: RE: Attitude toward Virus warnings I'll third the motion on InoculateIT. I own Norton, and McAfee, and stillprefer it. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Anyone who hasn't an antivirus on their machine might try downloadingInoculateIT from:http://antivirus.cai.com/ I have had it recommended by several people who use it (notably, DickFuhrman of the list and my own son). If it's for your home computer, it'sentirely free and VERY effective.I CAN'T have any connection, remember, the dopey thing is FREE!!!!!!Art At 10:43 AM 01/18/2001 -0600, Harry Boyd wrote:Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from CALucker@aol.com Thu Jan 18 22:55:09 2001 f0J4t8e00839 Subject: Re: Chuck problems In a message dated 1/18/2001 7:34:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, ctn45555@centurytel.net writes: To fix your jaws DO NOT mount a reamer in the tail stock and take away jaw material. That will only adjust slack jaws. Your problem is your jaws are off when tightened.I suggest the following: Take the perfectly one inch circular disc that you use to adjust your micrometer and mount it in the very back of your jaws. Tighten. Mount a boring bar in your tool post. Dust the tips off your jaws until you are taking the slightest material off the last jaw to be touched up. Don't take more off than mecessary. remove the disc and file a relief where the disc was. Done. Actually before you do this, you might want to check how your chuck is mounted if it is attached to a plate with adjucting screws rather than an integral thread. If you do not have a perfect circle disc, then Hell, use an expensive washer or centerless ground bushing. I really encourage that you get a one inch test disc. How do you test set your micrometer? You cannot just set a micrometer at zero. Youo need to check at one inch, or 0.500 or some other known dimension as well. Chris Lucker from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Jan 18 23:28:18 2001 f0J5SHe01765 f0J5S2x19085; Subject: Re: competition Organization: vet Heavens, I hope Ackland doesn't read that! His blood pressure would start tolook like his telephone number. Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: competition Wow, for some reason I had always thought of this craft as sort ofimmunetothe threat of import knockoffs... Having said that, I guess I am not too concerned about their product.Bamboo rods are kind of an eclectic piece of equipment, and for mostpeopleare an acquired taste. There are so many people who took up fly fishingduring the "Sage Era" that they have very little sense of subtlety orfinesse. It seems like the people who actually look for a good bamboo rodare more likely to pay more for a rod and are going to look for them fromwell known sources if they don't have a friend in the business. Besides, people who fish with bamboo are not the kind of people who makepurchases because an item is "cheaper" or "less expensive" than analternative. Face it, bamboo rods are expensive. Time consuming for thebuilder and pricey for the purchaser. So, who would even look for, letalone consider, buying a bamboo rod because it is cheap? Those who areinterested in cheaper equipment are looking for graphite and probablydon'tappreciate the feel and qualities of a bamboo rod. I hope that doesn't sound too elitist? Jason Swan From: "Ian Kearney" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K from goodaple@tcac.net Thu Jan 18 23:53:05 2001 f0J5r4e02611 (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license1dc0b39e31881b14e43eebad2dae5270) 0600 Subject: Tormek question Organization: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C081AA.3E81EEE0 Does anyone know what shaft size the tormek wet/dry wheels use? Again, =Thanks in advance. Randall G. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C081AA.3E81EEE0 Does anyone know what shaft size the= wheels use? Again, Thanks in advance. Randall G. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C081AA.3E81EEE0-- from sniderja@email.uc.edu Fri Jan 19 06:09:49 2001 f0JC9ne06178 Subject: Re: competition --=====================_548090==_.ALT "A cane rod is of course more than the sum of its parts, it has to please the eye, the soul , and the casting hand." Simply excellent. My less-than-simple mind has always thought that this iswhatit was all about (for me).Thanks for reminding us, A.J.Jerry Snider At 12:07 AM 01/19/2001 +0000, Allen Thramer wrote: From: "Ian Kearney" Subject: competitionDate: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250 to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K I have seen the blanks , you will notice that there are no closeups of the canework? A good reason for that. I can say with certainty that the cane work will not pass muster with an increasingly sophisticated US consumer.In the US we have built the best cane rods for a century plus, don't know exactly why, but I think it has something to do with the Puritanical strive sum of its parts, it has to please the eye, the soul , and the casting hand. A related point is what happened to Fenwick, excellent reputation for many years, operation moved offshore. Even with oversight they have been relegated to the low to mid priced sporting goods store type of sales that no serious fisherman would get caught with. No love lost with the serious FF community, alot of it due to the very fact that the operation WAS moved offshore and a resulting perception of a lowered quality. Things are always changing in every market, if this turns out to be a serious threat we will learn to adapt.A.J.Thramer I_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --=====================_548090==_.ALT "A cane rod is of course more than the sum of its parts, it has to please the eye, the soul , and the castinghand." Simply excellent. My less-than-simple mind has always thought thatthis is what it was all about (for me).Thanks for reminding us, A.J.Jerry Snider At 12:07 AM 01/19/2001 +0000, Allen Thramer wrote: cane rods of the cane consumer. In know strive the sum hand. many that serious FF moved http://explorer.msn.com --=====================_548090==_.ALT-- from dnorl@qwest.net Fri Jan 19 06:39:33 2001 f0JCdWe06559 (63.228.45.150) Subject: Re: Bait Casting and Tournament Bait Casting Tapers Thanks Paul!Dave-----Original Message----- Subject: Bait Casting and Tournament Bait Casting Tapers As a follow on to my recent posting on tournament fly rod tapers hereare a few bait casting tapers ( for those few of us interested ! )asextracted from 'Tournament Fly and Bait Casting Tapers ' by Earl Ostenand published by Barnes in 1946. All dims are in sixty fourths of an inch ! such a taper earlier in the week for his father in law and the 18lbtrout in his local fishery....where do these lucky people live ????)Length 51/2'Calibrations at 6" intervals9,11,13,15,18,20,22,24,27 and 29 General All Round bait CasterLength 51/2'8,9,11,13,15,17,19,20,22 and 24 One Piece Tournament Rods yet with abundant power to propel the plug to the farthest targets.Specification ALength 6' 1 1/2"7,8,9,11,12,13,15,16,18,19 and 26 Specification BLength 6'7,8,10,11,12,13,14,16,17,18 and 25 Specification ALength 6'1 1/2"7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,17 and 26 Specification BLength 6'1 3/4"6,7,8,10,11,11,12,14,16,19 and 21 ( described as a very light action ) Specification APronounced Tip ActionLength 5 1/2'9,11,13,15,18,20,22,24,27 and 29 Specification BStraight Taper ,Extra Heavy Full length Action.11,12,15,16,18,20,22,24,25 and 27 Length 5 1/2'8,11,13,15,18,20,21,22,23 and 24.Note the last two calibrations could be 25/64 and 26/64 withoutaffecting the action of this superb rod ( so says the book ! ) Regards all.......Paul from earsdws@duke.edu Fri Jan 19 07:06:34 2001 f0JD6Xe07076 IAA02542; Organization: Hearing Research Laboratories, Duke University Medical Center Rodmakers Subject: the Navidad/Emanuel virus Unless they have mutated (been rev'd) there is complete info on the natureandexpression of these bugs on the McAfee (www.mcafee.com) website. The fixispainfully simple and, as far as I can tell...it got me early on between viruschecker updates...complete. Could be worse.dws. Tony Young wrote: Sure we can all take precautions but these things happen. I agree Billshould get rid of the virus and rejoin. This isn't the first time and itcertainly wont be the last.Does anybody know what actually happens, not the damage but what itlookslike when this virus is run? I'd be interested in knowing just in case. Tony At 11:06 AM 1/18/01 -0500, Wayne Cattanach wrote:Fred - You know Bill as I do - there was no intention on his part - and Ihope when matters settle down Bill will rejoin us Wayne----- Original Message -----From: FREDERICK W BOHLS, CFP Cc: ; Rodmakers Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:49 AMSubject: Re: anybody know Mr. Harms? I have called Bill Harms and he is aware of the problem. I do believe heis now 'off line' so the messages should stop. My count is 30.Unfortunately he opened up 'Emanuel' several days ago and the rest ishistory. Now he has a locked up computer and is embarrassed to hell.Justgoes to show how insidious this thing is. He sends his apologies to all. F. "David W. Smith, Ph.D." wrote: Anybody out there know where Mr. Harms (do you think the namecould beprophetic?) lives so you could go over to his house and take his PC offline until he cleans up his virus? Or, at least know his phone numberto call him and suggest ways to help? I am now up to 20 infectednotes from him in the past hour. WARNING EVERYONE, set your filter up to send any note from him torecycle!!dws. --Fred Bohls3519 Ada DriveMechanicsburg, Pa 17050-2213 (717) 732-5050 Frederick W. BohlsP. O. Box 253Enola, PA 17025-9998 (717) 732-2448 MAKE IT A GREAT DAY /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ from cfreaner@hq.nasa.gov Fri Jan 19 08:48:08 2001 f0JEm7e09554 Subject: New Virus Is Coming... Sorry for the bandwidth, but I thought you all might like a "heads-up" on this one. In a nutshell, a new version of the Melissa virus is out that disguises itself as a Macintosh-formatted version of a Microsoft Office document. Details can be found at responded to my question about the thread size on form bolts; the information is much appreciated. Claude from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Jan 19 08:58:55 2001 f0JEwte10197 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:47:13 -0600 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance I haven't had time to look it up yet, but I seem to recall Sinclairreferring to Heddon making some rods for A&F.GMA from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Jan 19 09:24:09 2001 f0JFO8e11340 Subject: Truing a one time set up-3-jaw chuck You can put shims under 2 jaws of an out of true 3-jaw chuck, to bring aone- time set up pretty true. Get a box of multi thicknesses brass shimstock, and put shims under the jaws that will bring it true.GMA from dutcher@email.msn.com Fri Jan 19 13:02:56 2001 f0JJ2ue19887 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:02:46 -0800 Subject: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance I have a little time before I start doing a little of nothing so, hereit is. Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook, Michael Sinclair, Centennial Publishing,page 89."Heddon not only made rods for their own catalog, but supplied many,many companies with rods to sell under their private label. Among the morecommon sellers of Heddon-made rods were Shakespeare, Weber, E. K. Tryon(JayHarvey Rods and Kingfisher Rods) And Lyon & Coulson." I hope this helps.Regards, Dick Richard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance I haven't had time to look it up yet, but I seem to recall Sinclairreferring to Heddon making some rods for A&F.GMA from Canerods@aol.com Fri Jan 19 13:55:44 2001 f0JJthe22860 Subject: Re: The Best There Is! --part1_30.f5fdd12.2799f5ab_boundary Hi, If you want to see bad - try bigplanet.com. They told me that they don't list "temporary" problems on there service problem list that's on their website. I couldn't send email for 10 days - that's temporary to them! Plus I'm not sure if I'm receiving all my e-mail - a few people tell me that they get bounced posts - but how does one know otherwise? Don Burns Canerods@aol.com AND FOR NOW dgburns@bigplanet.com --part1_30.f5fdd12.2799f5ab_boundary Hi, If you want to see bad - try bigplanet.com. They told me that they don'tlist "temporary" problems on there service problem list that's on theirwebsite. I couldn't send email for 10 days - that's temporary to them! Plus I'm not sure if I'm receiving all my e-mail - a few people tell me that they get bounced posts - but how does one know otherwise? Don Burns Canerods@aol.com AND FOR NOW dgburns@bigplanet.com --part1_30.f5fdd12.2799f5ab_boundary-- from JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 19 14:29:02 2001 f0JKT2e24629 ;Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:28:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Chuck problems Always use file in wood my wood lathe. Jack from piscator@macatawa.org Fri Jan 19 16:15:29 2001 f0JMFSe28630 Subject: Re: Truing a one time set up-3-jaw chuck You can also shim the blank with masking tape. Brian from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Jan 19 20:03:33 2001 f0K23We04848 Subject: Ferrule Station Cutters Hi Guys,I just wanted to send out a note to anyone who purchased a set of my cutters from me or Golden Witch. I hada call from one of the guys, that he had a problem with one ofthe cutters. Size 11/64 . Seems like the back bore on this cutterwasn't large enough and it caused the cutter to bind up on theshaft. This may be the only one that I bored the wrong size, butI wanted to be sure, before anyone did damage to a set of blanks. If you would, could you please check the dimensions ofeach cutter and see if any of them are not bored properly.If you take a caliper and measure the cutter head opening, thenmeasure the other end. The measurement at the backend, shouldbe around .015in. larger than the cutter head ID. If you find any of your cutters have been bored too small, you can do one of two things. You can either send the cutter backto me and I will rebore it to the right dimension or you can put it into your lathe and drill or ream it to get the right dimension. You want a difference of around .015in. or more. This will help keep the cutter from binding on the cane, as the cane heats up fromcutting. Another idea too, if you seem to get any binding, whenbacking the cutter off the cane. This may help. Once you have made your cut up to your mark, stop the lathe and then back the cutteroff the cane. One of the guys told me that's how he has beendoing it. Although, if the cutter has the proper clearance, itshouldn't bind. Sorry for taking up anyone's timewith this, but I didn't know how else to let the guys know andI didn't want anyone to damage a set of blanks. Thanks Guys, Dave LeClair http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Fri Jan 19 23:09:24 2001 (may be forged)) f0K59Ne08801 "'RODMAKERS'" Subject: RE: competition That's the truth. It even got mine up a bit. The idea that people who can'tspend $1000 on a fishing pole are too dull to realize what they'remissing....it's enough to give elitism a bad name. Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: competition Heavens, I hope Ackland doesn't read that! His blood pressure would start tolook like his telephone number. Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: competition Wow, for some reason I had always thought of this craft as sort ofimmunetothe threat of import knockoffs... Having said that, I guess I am not too concerned about their product.Bamboo rods are kind of an eclectic piece of equipment, and for mostpeopleare an acquired taste. There are so many people who took up fly fishingduring the "Sage Era" that they have very little sense of subtlety orfinesse. It seems like the people who actually look for a good bamboo rodare more likely to pay more for a rod and are going to look for them fromwell known sources if they don't have a friend in the business. Besides, people who fish with bamboo are not the kind of people who makepurchases because an item is "cheaper" or "less expensive" than analternative. Face it, bamboo rods are expensive. Time consuming for thebuilder and pricey for the purchaser. So, who would even look for, letalone consider, buying a bamboo rod because it is cheap? Those who areinterested in cheaper equipment are looking for graphite and probablydon'tappreciate the feel and qualities of a bamboo rod. I hope that doesn't sound too elitist? Jason Swan From: "Ian Kearney" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K from piscator@macatawa.org Sat Jan 20 08:42:00 2001 f0KEfxe14297 ,"'RODMAKERS'" Subject: Re: competition The market will figure it out. A Montague by any other name. . . . A bigger worry to me is that the imports will be buggy whips and furtherperpetuate the myth of the wimpiness of bamboo flyrods. If they CAN make a decent rod for that much money then we all have to workharder to differintiate. Remember that competition is healthy and normal,not evil. Brian from nobler@satx.rr.com Sat Jan 20 09:13:40 2001 f0KFDde14749 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:02:17 -0600 ,"'RODMAKERS'" Subject: Re: Virus again Apparently Yoli (?) has picked up the virus too, as I had a number ofmessages carrying the exe mess again.GMA from zimmer@adams.net Sat Jan 20 09:29:43 2001 f0KFTee15015 Subject: RE: yoli virus This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C082C4.85841280 This one looks like it may be purposeful, and if so, may the sender be =visited by pestilence. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C082C4.85841280 This one looks like it may be purposeful, and if so, may = be visited by pestilence. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C082C4.85841280-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Sat Jan 20 09:34:37 2001 f0KFYae15223 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:23:23 -0600 Subject: Re: yoli virus This one was on guide spacing, but the attachment title was "exe navidad" !A real no-no !GMA from caneman@clnk.com Sat Jan 20 09:46:27 2001 f0KFkQe15577 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:46:37 -0600 Subject: Re: yoli virus This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0776_01C082C5.973D0260 Randy, George, and all,I didn't receive this one, so it could be an intentional targetted =thing. If it came through rodmakers, I sure didn't get it, and I'm = George, well, those trout waters are about 60 miles out of my back =door, but close enough. If it's any consolation, it's the Lower =Illinois River and not the greatest fishery in the south! One of those =that I don't even take a camera to, cause I don't expect anything of =note. Later,Bob -----Original Message-----From: Randy Zimmerman Date: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:30 AMSubject: RE: yoli virus This one looks like it may be purposeful, and if so, may the sender =be visited by pestilence. ------=_NextPart_000_0776_01C082C5.973D0260 Randy, George, andall, receive = I sure didn't get it, and I'm getting your posts to rodmakers this = = any consolation, it's the Lower Illinois River and not the greatest = expect anything of note. Later,Bob -----Original = Rodmakers <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:30 AMSubject: RE: virusThis one looks like it may be purposeful, and if so, = sender be visited by =pestilence. ------=_NextPart_000_0776_01C082C5.973D0260-- from anglport@con2.com Sat Jan 20 09:47:48 2001 f0KFlle15712 "Rodmakers" Subject: Re: yoli virus Yeah, George,And there seems to be a new incarnation of the Melissa virus (Melissa-X)which has the anti-virus guys running around updating their stuff. If youhaven't done it recently you'd better do it soon. I saw at ZDNet that onlyMcAfee and (I think) Norton HAVE fixes for it currently. I have the McAfee,so I didn't pay muc attention to the other guy.The info was at: http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?76561:1717842 Good luck all,Art At 09:41 AM 01/20/2001 -0600, nobler wrote:This one was on guide spacing, but the attachment title was "exe navidad" !A real no-no !GMA from flytyr@southshore.com Sat Jan 20 09:48:22 2001 f0KFmKe15841 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:48:36 -0600 Subject: Re: competition Brian,Can you contact me off list. The last three messages to you have bounced.Theabove address is what I have. Need some info from you.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Brian Creek wrote: The market will figure it out. A Montague by any other name. . . . Brian from HomeyDKlown@att.net Sat Jan 20 10:11:16 2001 f0KGBFe16407 mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net +0000 Subject: Crooked Reel Seats, The conclusion. Well, I took on the job of removing that crooked reel seat this morning. Imanaged to get the hardware off the seat using my heat gun. After thatI started heating the wood filler. After about 1/2 hour the fillerwould turn on the blank but I couldn't remove it, probably because itwas such a tight fit in the first place. I guess this is OK because allI really wanted to do was line it up with the correct flat. What Ilater realized was that the filler wasn't spinning over the blank,rather that the blank was actually twisting under the filler. Again,that was fine with me because I reached my goal of alignment. The Down side: I left the heat gun on one spot for just a little toolong and the wood started to scorch ever so slightly. It doesn't looklike a burn but it is noticeably darker, almost like an uneven stainjob. I "evened" the color out a bit by heating the rest of the filler alittle more, giving it a dark chestnut finish. All in all, it lookspretty good! Thanks to everyone for the advice and insight. Dennis from tfbinn@mindspring.com Sat Jan 20 10:53:02 2001 f0KGr1e17322 Subject: Urethane Bond This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C082D7.960D2FC0 I've almost used up my last tube of that marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue = cork handles and reel seats. Much better IMHO than epoxy or anything =else I've tried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, but I seem to =remember several posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a =source? As an alternative does anyone use a more readily available =woodworkers urethane glue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats? ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C082D7.960D2FC0 = marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue by Dow-Corning. This stuff has been the = adhesive for attaching cork handles and reel seats. Much better IMHO = or anything else I've tried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, = to remember several posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a = As an alternative does anyone use a more readily available woodworkers = glue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats?Winston ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C082D7.960D2FC0-- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sat Jan 20 11:41:06 2001 f0KHf5e18403 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:39:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond --=====================_19057336==_.ALT I use a lot of Gorilla Glue for blanks, but not for grips and reel seats. I have had it foam out on me too many times. It works, but it is too much maintenance for me. I use Tite Bond II for the corks and epoxy for the seats.Best regards,Bob At 11:53 AM 1/20/2001 -0500, Trish & Winston Binney wrote:I've almost used up my last tube of that marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue by Dow- Corning. This stuff has been the greatest adhesive for attaching cork handles and reel seats. Much better IMHO than epoxy or anything else I've tried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, but I seem to remember several posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a source? As an alternative does anyone use a more readily available woodworkers urethane glue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats?Winston Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_19057336==_.ALT I use a lot of Gorilla Glue for blanks, but not for grips and reel seats.I have had it foam out on me too many times. It works, but it is too muchmaintenance for me. I use Tite Bond II for the corks and epoxy for theseats.Best regards,Bob At 11:53 AM 1/20/2001 -0500, Trish & Winston Binney wrote:I've almost used upmy last tube of that marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue byDow-Corning. This stuff has been the greatest adhesive for attaching corkhandles and reel seats. Much better IMHO than epoxy or anything else I'vetried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, but I seem to rememberseveral posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a source? As analternative does anyone use a more readily available woodworkers urethaneglue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats?Winston Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_19057336==_.ALT-- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sat Jan 20 11:42:13 2001 f0KHgCe18518 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:41:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond --=====================_19124156==_.ALT The Gorilla Glue can also leave some ugly grayish lines between the corkrings. At 11:53 AM 1/20/2001 -0500, Trish & Winston Binney wrote:I've almost used up my last tube of that marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue by Dow- Corning. This stuff has been the greatest adhesive for attaching cork handles and reel seats. Much better IMHO than epoxy or anything else I've tried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, but I seem to remember several posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a source? As an alternative does anyone use a more readily available woodworkers urethane glue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats?Winston Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_19124156==_.ALT The Gorilla Glue can also leave some ugly grayish lines between the corkrings. At 11:53 AM 1/20/2001 -0500, Trish & Winston Binney wrote:I've almost used upmy last tube of that marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue byDow-Corning. This stuff has been the greatest adhesive for attaching corkhandles and reel seats. Much better IMHO than epoxy or anything else I'vetried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, but I seem to rememberseveral posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a source? As analternative does anyone use a more readily available woodworkers urethaneglue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats?Winston Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_19124156==_.ALT-- from castafly@gbis.com Sat Jan 20 11:54:57 2001 f0KHsue18886 JAA02318 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Basic Lathe Suggestions--Small Wood Lathes? I have spent some time looking through the archives for lathe suggestions.I see lots of good advice concerning metalworking lathes, but not much onwoodworking lathes. I am looking for a basic lathe to turn cork handles andturn ferrule stations. I don' think (at this point, at least) I will getinto ferrule making, and probably not reel seat making (but reel seats are apossibility). I want a decent lathe, but have a budget of $500 at the most, and hopefullyless. I have seen some small woodworking lathes by Grizzly and HarborFreight that look like they would work for turning handles and ferrulestations. Does anyone use a lathe like this? If so, do you have anysuggestions as to models and features you find the most useful forrodmaking? Are there any reasons to get a basic Taig lathe over a smallwoodworking lathe? The other metalworking lathe that I am considering is a Grizzly 7x12($495)-- is this lathe worth the extra money over a small woodworking or aTaig lathe? Are there any lathes I haven't mentioned that I shouldconsider? Any other advice? If someone has or knows of a good used lathe, pleasecontact me off list. Thanks! Jeff from troutchaser@home.com Sat Jan 20 11:55:39 2001 f0KHtde19006 0800 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Since we are on the Heddon topic, I was wondering if anyone hadinformation on the Heddon Model 1000? Looking for length, line weight,wrap colors and taper if anyone has it. Also does anyone have firsthand knowledge of this rod? How does it perform? Thanks,....ron Ron ElderCalgary, AB from owen@davies.mv.com Sat Jan 20 13:48:35 2001 f0KJmYe21194 Subject: Re: Basic Lathe Suggestions--Small Wood Lathes? Jeff Ferguson asked: I want a decent lathe, but have a budget of $500 at the most, andhopefullyless. I have seen some small woodworking lathes by Grizzly and HarborFreight that look like they would work for turning handles and ferrulestations. Does anyone use a lathe like this? Hi, Jeff. You might want to ask about this over at rec.crafts.woodturning .However, the answer is likely to be that either of two lathes would dobeautifully: the Jet minilathe or the Delta equivalent. The Jet has aswing of 10 inches, with 18 inches between centers; I've had one for acouple of years, used it much less than I'd like, and found it solid,reliable,and mostly convenient. The Delta is pretty much the same -- I'veforgotten the exact details -- but has the advantage of accepting add-onbed extensions in case you want to work on something longer. It hashad some pretty good reviews, and the folks at the newsgroup seemto respect it. Either can be had for $330 or less. Owen Davies from GriffinJohn@email.msn.com Sat Jan 20 15:50:05 2001 f0KLo4e23767 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:49:47 -0800 Subject: Wanted: 7' 2/2 4wt Cane Blank I'd like to buy a couple of cane blanks, about 7' 4 wt, with a modern, fastaction. If possible, I'd like one to be a trial rod, so cosmetic blems, etc are OK.The second rod blank should be top notch. Also interested in matching reelseats/inserts. Please email me off line. Tks, John-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Basic Lathe Suggestions--Small Wood Lathes? Jeff Ferguson asked: I want a decent lathe, but have a budget of $500 at the most, andhopefullyless. I have seen some small woodworking lathes by Grizzly and HarborFreight that look like they would work for turning handles and ferrulestations. Does anyone use a lathe like this? Hi, Jeff. You might want to ask about this over at rec.crafts.woodturning\.However, the answer is likely to be that either of two lathes would dobeautifully: the Jet minilathe or the Delta equivalent. The Jet has aswing of 10 inches, with 18 inches between centers; I've had one for acouple of years, used it much less than I'd like, and found it solid,reliable,and mostly convenient. The Delta is pretty much the same -- I'veforgotten the exact details -- but has the advantage of accepting add- onbed extensions in case you want to work on something longer. It hashad some pretty good reviews, and the folks at the newsgroup seemto respect it. Either can be had for $330 or less. Owen Davies from dutcher@email.msn.com Sat Jan 20 17:35:00 2001 f0KNYxe25758 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:33:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Ron, I looked up the Heddon #1000 in Michael Sinclair's book "Bamboo RodRestoration Handbook", Centennial Publications, pp. 98-99. The model name is "Rod of Rods". The reelseat is gold with walnutpyralin spacer. The grip is straight. It has an agate stripper, gold snakeguides, and the tip-top is gold. The ferrules are blued nickel-silver, handwelted, and serrated. The wraps are brown #27 and the tippings are darkbrown #30. These are the specifications for the production year 1939. There arechanges in the following years which I will be glad to forward if you wish.Unfortunately the length and line weights are not given in this referencehowever, I thought you might be interested in the above information. Regards,Dick Richard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message -----From: Ron Elder Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:52 AMSubject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Since we are on the Heddon topic, I was wondering if anyone hadinformation on the Heddon Model 1000? Looking for length, line weight,wrap colors and taper if anyone has it. Also does anyone have firsthand knowledge of this rod? How does it perform? Thanks,....ron Ron ElderCalgary, AB from oakmere@carol.net Sat Jan 20 17:56:32 2001 f0KNuVe26233 Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Responses Hi Guys: I just got back on the network from being virused from Rodmakers with theEmannuel virus. I got rid of the exe files but it lockup my machine and Ihad to have surgery. We are back up and running now. I have just got back on the net, so when I finish reading your posts I willlet you know where I am. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sat Jan 20 18:13:39 2001 f0L0Dce26695 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:12:29 -0500 Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Responses Glad you're back, Frank. I got a few versions of the Snow White virus sent to me also. Don't know if it is list related or not, but so far I am okay. Sometimes I think of the virus warnings as a waste of time, but I read about the Snow White one about two days before I was sent it for the first time. Being a father with a Snow White fan, I may have opened it. (Granted the e- mail that it came from was hahaha@sexyfun.something?) IN case youget this one sent to you, watch out.Best regards,Bob At 07:57 PM 1/19/2001 -0500, Frank W. Paul wrote:Hi Guys: I just got back on the network from being virused from Rodmakers with theEmannuel virus. I got rid of the exe files but it lockup my machine and Ihad to have surgery. We are back up and running now. I have just got back on the net, so when I finish reading your posts I willlet you know where I am. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from rextutor@about.com Sat Jan 20 18:21:25 2001 f0L0LOe26987 (NPlex 5.1.050) 2001 16:21:10 -0800 Subject: FLy Rod Blanks I have been reading this list for a while andsee someone asking for blanks. I assume it is okay for me to ask for blanks, too ? cost ? thanksRex Sign up fora free About Email account at http://About.com from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 20 18:40:51 2001 f0L0epe27492 TAA25447; Subject: Re: Wanted: 7' 2/2 4wt Cane Blank John,Ron Kusse has available a beautiful 7' #4 quad that is a strong action. Tryronkusse.com Rich GriffinJohn wrote: I'd like to buy a couple of cane blanks, about 7' 4 wt, with a modern, fastaction. If possible, I'd like one to be a trial rod, so cosmetic blems, etc are OK.The second rod blank should be top notch. Also interested in matching reelseats/inserts. Please email me off line. Tks, John-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ----- Original Message -----From: "Owen Davies" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 2:50 PMSubject: Re: Basic Lathe Suggestions--Small Wood Lathes? Jeff Ferguson asked: I want a decent lathe, but have a budget of $500 at the most, andhopefullyless. I have seen some small woodworking lathes by Grizzly and HarborFreight that look like they would work for turning handles and ferrulestations. Does anyone use a lathe like this? Hi, Jeff. You might want to ask about this over atrec.crafts.woodturning.However, the answer is likely to be that either of two lathes would dobeautifully: the Jet minilathe or the Delta equivalent. The Jet has aswing of 10 inches, with 18 inches between centers; I've had one for acouple of years, used it much less than I'd like, and found it solid,reliable,and mostly convenient. The Delta is pretty much the same -- I'veforgotten the exact details -- but has the advantage of accepting add- onbed extensions in case you want to work on something longer. It hashad some pretty good reviews, and the folks at the newsgroup seemto respect it. Either can be had for $330 or less. Owen Davies from oakmere@carol.net Sat Jan 20 19:30:18 2001 f0L1UIe28237 Subject: RE: Virus Infection Hi Bill and others: Harry is right it is only a blip on the things of life. It was not reallyanyone's fault except mine, since I had not updated my antivirus program my antivirus protection weekly. Anyway, there is no problem here. It really gave me a chance to upgrade W95to W98 and get my antivirus back up to snuff. Just the cost of doingbusiness with these new contraptions call personal computers. I will get back on the Heddon as I have been digging deeper. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from oakmere@carol.net Sat Jan 20 19:30:20 2001 f0L1UJe28248 Subject: RE: Heddon Responses Hi Folks: I appreciate all of your responses on the Heddon. I will pass thisinformation on to my friend and see what he wishes to do. Thanks again andI will keep you posted on what happens. One note about the rod. The tipmeasures short by about 1&1/2 inches. Best, Frank Frank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from nobler@satx.rr.com Sat Jan 20 20:51:47 2001 f0L2pke29552 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:40:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond I've been using Elmer's ProBond, to even repair separated sections, and itdoes one heck of a job. Most DIY stores have it.GMA from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 20 21:00:35 2001 f0L30Ye29854 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:00:23 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: FLy Rod Blanks --------------8117A2B8A845AB2A5D5C11BE Rex,I think most (read most) builders are a little cautious aboutselling blanks, as they never know how they will be finished (eventhough it might just end up a better finished product than the buildercould have done in some cases....myself not excluded). It takes a giantleap of faith to put out a blank to a stranger knowing full well thatyour reputation is at stake even though you didn't build the rod in it'sentirety if they turn it into a piece of crap. I have been approachednumerous times to sell a blank and have wrestled with the idea manysleepless nights. Pay the bills or maintain integrity???? Luckily mostof these guys were graphite prone and didn't want to pay the price so itmade my decision easy, someday however I know I'll be forced with adecision ;^0 I find this craft is full of moral dilemmas, I chosewrong once and regret it to this day.Some very reputable, capable builders will however sell you one oftheir blanks.Hope thisdoesn't offend anyone, Shawn Rex Tutor wrote: I have been reading this list for a while and seesomeone asking forblanks. I assume it is okay for me to ask forblanks, too ?I am interested in wrapping rods and can't makebamboo cause I don'thave the equipment. What does a 6 foot , 7 and7.5 foot blankcost ?thanksRex Sign up for a free About Email account athttp://About.com --------------8117A2B8A845AB2A5D5C11BE Rex, builders are a little cautious about selling blanks, as they never knowhow they will be finished (even though it might just end up a better finishedproduct than the builder could have done in some cases....myself notexcluded).It takes a giant leap of faith to put out a blank to a stranger knowingfull well that your reputation is at stake even though you didn't buildthe rod in it's entirety if they turn it into a piece of crap. I have beenapproached numerous times to sell a blank and have wrestled with the ideamany sleepless nights. Pay the bills or maintain integrity???? Luckilymost of these guys were graphite prone and didn't want to pay the priceso it made my decision easy, someday however I know I'll be forced with I chose wrong once and regret it to this day. will however sell you one of their blanks. Hope this doesn't offend anyone, Shawn Rex Tutor wrote: I have been reading this list for a while and see someoneasking forblanks. I assume it is okay for me to ask for blanks, too ? causeI don't foot blankcost ?thanksRex Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com --------------8117A2B8A845AB2A5D5C11BE-- from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 20 21:02:33 2001 f0L32We00042 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:02:28 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: FLy Rod Blanks --------------076B9787A74175D4BFFC8252 Sorry,my last message should have said John, Rex, and all. Shawn Rex Tutor wrote: I have been reading this list for a while and seesomeone asking forblanks. I assume it is okay for me to ask forblanks, too ?I am interested in wrapping rods and can't makebamboo cause I don'thave the equipment. What does a 6 foot , 7 and7.5 foot blankcost ?thanksRex Sign up for a free About Email account athttp://About.com --------------076B9787A74175D4BFFC8252 Sorry, shouldhave said John, Rex, and all. ShawnRex Tutor wrote: I have been reading this list for a while and see someoneasking forblanks. I assume it is okay for me to ask for blanks, too ? causeI don't foot blankcost ?thanksRex Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com --------------076B9787A74175D4BFFC8252-- from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 20 21:46:52 2001 f0L3kpe01234 jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca(Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: help, computer stuff List,I recently re formatted my computer and now when I send stuff tothe list I can't see what I typed when it comes back from the list and Igot some strange responses. Can anyone out there read this???? Pleasesend me a response if you can, I am feeling detached :^(ShawnSorry for the bandwidth. from GriffinJohn@email.msn.com Sat Jan 20 22:24:07 2001 f0L4O6e01941 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:23:46 -0800 Subject: Blank Relections... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C08338.C03CEF40 About the ethical nature of blanks... I was intrigued by Shawn's email. Personally, I have ordered and =finished myself the very finest custom furniture; I prefer suits finish =tailored locally; I make RC airplane structures for others to finish to =their taste. The best bicycle I ever had by far was one I built for =myself from a custom frame. In the way of fishing tackle, I have finished fly rods from blanks for =years- starting with a fiberglass Fenwick TU kit in the late 70's, and =through Scott, Sage, Fisher, Orvis and many others today. And this is =certainly not to save money! To the contrary, its like tying flies, =making your own landing net, rigging your own leaders. It ties you to =the sport through the effort and learning involved, and provides insight =and appreciation for the craftsmanship of others. A fine cane flyrod is =far more than just a consumer product. Any idiot can write a check, as = The vitality of craft guilds such as that of contemporary cane rodmakers =can only benefit from increased exposure to the true enthusiast core of =the flyfishing sport. To many, cane rods today are for eccentrics and =collectors, not really for fishing. Providing an expanded opportunity = rod can only help the sport, and the rodmakers guild. Doing so will =guaranty a loyal following beyond today, and beyond today's techno =graphite consumerism. John -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 11:02 PMSubject: Re: FLy Rod Blanks I think most (read most) builders are a little cautious about =selling blanks, as they never know how they will be finished (even =though it might just end up a better finished product than the builder =could have done in some cases....myself not excluded). It takes a giant =leap of faith to put out a blank to a stranger knowing full well that =your reputation is at stake even though you didn't build the rod in it's =entirety if they turn it into a piece of crap. I have been approached =numerous times to sell a blank and have wrestled with the idea many =sleepless nights. Pay the bills or maintain integrity???? Luckily most =of these guys were graphite prone and didn't want to pay the price so it =made my decision easy, someday however I know I'll be forced with a =decision ;^0 I find this craft is full of moral dilemmas, I chose = Some very reputable, capable builders will however sell you one = Hope this = = I have been reading this list for a while and see someone asking = I am interested in wrapping rods and can't make bamboo cause I = Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C08338.C03CEF40 blanks... = I have ordered and finished myself the very finest custom furniture; I = suits finish tailored locally; I make RC airplane structures for others = finish to their taste. The best bicycle I ever had by far was one I = myself from a custom frame. In the way of fishing tackle, I have = rods from blanks for years- starting with a fiberglass Fenwick TU = the late 70's, and through Scott, Sage, Fisher, Orvis and many others = tying flies, making your own landing net, rigging your own leaders. It = to the sport through the effort and learning involved, and provides = appreciation for the craftsmanship of others. A fine cane flyrod is far = than just a consumer product. Any idiot can write a check, as you well = The vitality of craft guilds such as = contemporary cane rodmakers can only benefit from increased exposure to= enthusiast core of the flyfishing sport. To many, cane rods today are = opportunity for others to sense and feel the artistry and pleasure of a = cane rod can only help the sport, and the rodmakers guild. Doing so will = guaranty a loyal following beyond today, and beyond today's techno = consumerism. John -----------------------------------------------------Click here = Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video=/ ----- Original Message ----- Shawn Pineo Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Sent: Saturday, January 20, = PMSubject: Re: FLy Rod =Blanks I = most (read most) builders are a little cautious about selling blanks, = never know how they will be finished (even though it might just end up = cases....myself not excluded). It takes a giant leap of faith to put = blank to a stranger knowing full well that your reputation is at stake = though you didn't build the rod in it's entirety if they turn it into = of crap. I have been approached numerous times to sell a blank and = wrestled with the idea many sleepless nights. Pay the bills or = integrity???? Luckily most of these guys were graphite prone and = to pay the price so it made my decision easy, someday however I know = = = someone asking for blanks. I assume it is okay for = ask for blanks, too ? I am interested in wrapping = cost ? thanks Rex = Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C08338.C03CEF40-- from 4hammock@bellsouth.net Sat Jan 20 22:34:18 2001 f0L4YHe02381 Subject: The Snowfly I picked up this book because the cover talked about a mythical fly. Idon't fly fish but my husband does. It was one of the best books I'veread in years. Has anyone else read this work of fiction? from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sat Jan 20 22:47:15 2001 f0L4lEe02678 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:47:11 -0800 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Blank Relections... John,Sounds like you're the kind of fellow any of us would beproud to have finish out a blank. And you're the kind offellow we'll gladly help craft his own blanks, too.Although I get Shawn's point, I'm not sure I agree. I'vesold a few blanks, and never really worried about myreputation.Of course, I don't sign the blanks. That pretty wellsettles it. And if I did, then I suspect that who everfinished it out would do at least as good a job as me. Harry GriffinJohn wrote: About the ethical nature of blanks... "...Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ from lblan@provide.net Sat Jan 20 22:49:32 2001 f0L4nWe02854 Subject: RE: Blank Relections... Ahem, we moved beyond simple techno graphite consumerism last week withthetitanium thread! Shawn most likely (not trying to put words in his mouth) feels that selling*his* blanks would make them simply a consumer product. This is certainlyanindividual thing, many makers will sell you a blank. Larry Blan -----Original Message----- Subject: Blank Relections... About the ethical nature of blanks... I was intrigued by Shawn's email. Personally, I have ordered and finishedmyself the very finest custom furniture; I prefer suits finish tailoredlocally; I make RC airplane structures for others to finish to their taste.The best bicycle I ever had by far was one I built for myself from a customframe. In the way of fishing tackle, I have finished fly rods from blanks foryears- starting with a fiberglass Fenwick TU kit in the late 70's, andthrough Scott, Sage, Fisher, Orvis and many others today. And this iscertainly not to save money! To the contrary, its like tying flies, makingyour own landing net, rigging your own leaders. It ties you to the sportthrough the effort and learning involved, and provides insight andappreciation for the craftsmanship of others. A fine cane flyrod is far morethan just a consumer product. Any idiot can write a check, as you well know. The vitality of craft guilds such as that of contemporary cane rodmakerscanonly benefit from increased exposure to the true enthusiast core of theflyfishing sport. To many, cane rods today are for eccentrics andcollectors, not really for fishing. Providing an expanded opportunity forothers to sense and feel the artistry and pleasure of a fine cane rod canonly help the sport, and the rodmakers guild. Doing so will guaranty a loyalfollowing beyond today, and beyond today's techno graphite consumerism. John from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 20 23:26:07 2001 f0L5Q6e03648 (Shawn Pineo)Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: help, computer stuff Thanks all,my messages seem to be getting through although several didcome back blank?? Just another thing I'll have to straighten out with thiscomputer, all a learning process I guess.Shawn Shawn Pineo wrote: List,I recently re formatted my computer and now when I send stuff tothe list I can't see what I typed when it comes back from the list and Igot some strange responses. Can anyone out there read this???? Pleasesend me a response if you can, I am feeling detached :^(ShawnSorry for the bandwidth. from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Jan 21 01:16:57 2001 f0L7Gue04901 Subject: Silk Line Comparison I just received two Thebault silk flylines from Olaf Borge (usualdisclaimer applies). In comparing them to the Phoenix line, there areseveral marked differences. The Thebault lines appear to be translucent,indicating a saturation with an oil, such as was common to old silklines, whereas the Phoenix has greater opacity, a waxy look. In colorboth might be considered a shade of pale gold, the Thebault onlyslightly darker; but the Thebault has a slight mottling indicative ofsome hand work, the Phoenix is completely even in tone. The tips of both the Thebault and Phoenix are .024", certainly a lotmore delicate than PVC lines. The Thebault line comes with severalounces of a proprietary dressing in a tin container (several seasonsworth), the Phoenix comes with a "tin"(plastic) of the red Mucilin (good It does appear that the Thebault will require some breaking in to takethe initial stiffness out, not so the Phoenix. The Phoenix appears to bea more polished product overall, but this is, IMHO, hardly worth thedifference in price. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Jan 21 03:07:20 2001 f0L97Ie05753 f0L977x36194; Subject: Re: yoli virus Organization: vet This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C083E4.CC461120 Bob And because your girlfriend drops your digital camera in the water, =right? Peter Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 2:44 AMSubject: Re: yoli virus Randy, George, and all,I didn't receive this one, so it could be an intentional targetted =thing. If it came through rodmakers, I sure didn't get it, and I'm = George, well, those trout waters are about 60 miles out of my back =door, but close enough. If it's any consolation, it's the Lower =Illinois River and not the greatest fishery in the south! One of those =that I don't even take a camera to, cause I don't expect anything of =note. Later,Bob -----Original Message-----From: Randy Zimmerman Date: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:30 AMSubject: RE: yoli virus This one looks like it may be purposeful, and if so, may the sender =be visited by pestilence. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C083E4.CC461120 Bob And because your girlfriend drops= camera in the water, right? Peter ----- Original Message ----- Bob =Nunley Makers List Serve Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001= AMSubject: Re: yoli virus Randy, George, and =all, rodmakers, I sure didn't get it, and I'm getting your posts to = morning... well, = any consolation, it's the Lower Illinois River and not the greatest = don't expect anything of note. Later,Bob -----Original = Rodmakers <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:30 AMSubject: RE: virusThis one looks like it may be purposeful, and if so, = pestilence. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C083E4.CC461120-- from horsesho@ptd.net Sun Jan 21 07:55:23 2001 f0LDtMe07337 Organization: ProLog Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance The Heddon #1000 President was made in the same lengths as all othermodel Heddons . The difference being high quality ferrules and hardwareand the stick was made from the same culm. Marty Since we are on the Heddon topic, I was wondering if anyone hadinformation on the Heddon Model 1000? Looking for length, line weight,wrap colors and taper if anyone has it. Also does anyone have firsthand knowledge of this rod? How does it perform? Thanks,....ron Ron ElderCalgary, AB from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 21 08:40:25 2001 f0LEeOe08178 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:40:14 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Blank Relections... Larry,yes that is a small part of it. The big part is that if I sold a blankto someone and they severely botched it up when they show that rod tosomeonethey are going to say "Yeah it's a blank from New Scotland Fly Rods, a guynamedShawn Pineo up in Canada".As John has said there are probably some here that could finish a rod asgood or better than I could. The question is how do you know which ones willandwhich ones won't?? As Reed said I would be very selective as to what I signed. build him a blank, he figures that building the rest will save himmoney......translation....cheap components, because the price I offered himfora finished rod barely covered my materials let alone my time. Also I haveseenhis graphite rods and when he says " well how hard can it be to varnish andthrow some guides on I've built hundreds of graphite rods?"....translation.....someone who obviously has no clue what they are in for.I just wouldn't put my reputation on the line for any amount of money. Ionce let a rod go out the door that I wasn't 100% happy with the cosmeticson,to help pay the bills, to this day I regret that to a degree that I hope newbuilders on the list NEVER have to experience (It really was a nice little rod,the customer loves it, I just wasn't completely satisfied) and people(yourselfincluded) will judge you by your bad rod as well as your good ones.The thing is, there are others who do make very nice rods, theirreputation precedes them and if someone botches one of their blanks peoplewillknow it was the finisher, not the builder who's work should be questioned.RonKusse is one and AJ Thramer is another, AJ's integrity is known by all here onthe list and I believe he builds a rod that would suit exactly what John seemsto be asking for at what I remember as being a very reasonable price.Therearelots of others here on the list who make wonderful rods and would probablysella blank, If they want to I'm sure they will contact John and Rex personally.This is all personal feelings and it is not meant to offend anyone.Shawn Larry Blan wrote: Ahem, we moved beyond simple techno graphite consumerism last weekwith thetitanium thread! Shawn most likely (not trying to put words in his mouth) feels that selling*his* blanks would make them simply a consumer product. This is certainlyanindividual thing, many makers will sell you a blank. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 11:29 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Blank Relections... About the ethical nature of blanks... I was intrigued by Shawn's email. Personally, I have ordered and finishedmyself the very finest custom furniture; I prefer suits finish tailoredlocally; I make RC airplane structures for others to finish to their taste.The best bicycle I ever had by far was one I built for myself from a customframe. In the way of fishing tackle, I have finished fly rods from blanks foryears- starting with a fiberglass Fenwick TU kit in the late 70's, andthrough Scott, Sage, Fisher, Orvis and many others today. And this iscertainly not to save money! To the contrary, its like tying flies, makingyour own landing net, rigging your own leaders. It ties you to the sportthrough the effort and learning involved, and provides insight andappreciation for the craftsmanship of others. A fine cane flyrod is farmorethan just a consumer product. Any idiot can write a check, as you wellknow. The vitality of craft guilds such as that of contemporary cane rodmakerscanonly benefit from increased exposure to the true enthusiast core of theflyfishing sport. To many, cane rods today are for eccentrics andcollectors, not really for fishing. Providing an expanded opportunity forothers to sense and feel the artistry and pleasure of a fine cane rod canonly help the sport, and the rodmakers guild. Doing so will guaranty a loyalfollowing beyond today, and beyond today's techno graphite consumerism. John from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Jan 21 08:53:26 2001 f0LErPe08638 2001 06:53:27 PST Subject: Re: Blank Relections... shawn, if you sold this fellow a completed flyrod,what's to keep him from painting it orange or changingthe components to those from an older favorite rod orputting another coat of botched-up varnish on it. orbetter yet what's to keep a person from abusing a rodand claiming poor workmanship for the result. timothy --- Shawn Pineo wrote:Larry,yes that is a small part of it. The bigpart is that if I sold a blankto someone and they severely botched it up when theyshow that rod to someonethey are going to say "Yeah it's a blank from NewScotland Fly Rods, a guy namedShawn Pineo up in Canada".As John has said there are probably some herethat could finish a rod asgood or better than I could. The question is how doyou know which ones will andwhich ones won't?? As Reed said I would be veryselective as to what I signed. Scotia has been after me tobuild him a blank, he figures that building the restwill save himmoney......translation....cheap components, becausethe price I offered him fora finished rod barely covered my materials let alonemy time. Also I have seenhis graphite rods and when he says " well how hardcan it be to varnish andthrow some guides on I've built hundreds of graphiterods?"....translation.....someone who obviously has noclue what they are in for.I just wouldn't put my reputation on the line once let a rod go out the door that I wasn't 100%happy with the cosmetics on,to help pay the bills, to this day I regret that toa degree that I hope newbuilders on the list NEVER have to experience (Itreally was a nice little rod,the customer loves it, I just wasn't completelysatisfied) and people (yourselfincluded) will judge you by your bad rod as well asyour good ones.The thing is, there are others who do makevery nice rods, theirreputation precedes them and if someone botches oneof their blanks people willknow it was the finisher, not the builder who's workshould be questioned. RonKusse is one and AJ Thramer is another, AJ'sintegrity is known by all here onthe list and I believe he builds a rod that wouldsuit exactly what John seemsto be asking for at what I remember as being a veryreasonable price.There arelots of others here on the list who make wonderfulrods and would probably sella blank, If they want to I'm sure they will contactJohn and Rex personally.This is all personal feelings and it is not meant tooffend anyone.Shawn Larry Blan wrote: Ahem, we moved beyond simple techno graphiteconsumerism last week with thetitanium thread! Shawn most likely (not trying to put words in hismouth) feels that selling*his* blanks would make them simply a consumerproduct. This is certainly anindividual thing, many makers will sell you ablank. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Of GriffinJohnSent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 11:29 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Blank Relections... About the ethical nature of blanks... I was intrigued by Shawn's email. Personally, Ihave ordered and finishedmyself the very finest custom furniture; I prefersuits finish tailoredlocally; I make RC airplane structures for othersto finish to their taste.The best bicycle I ever had by far was one I built frame. In the way of fishing tackle, I have finished flyrods from blanks foryears- starting with a fiberglass Fenwick TU kitin the late 70's, andthrough Scott, Sage, Fisher, Orvis and many otherstoday. And this iscertainly not to save money! To the contrary, itslike tying flies, makingyour own landing net, rigging your own leaders. Itties you to the sportthrough the effort and learning involved, andprovides insight andappreciation for the craftsmanship of others. Afine cane flyrod is far morethan just a consumer product. Any idiot can writea check, as you well know. The vitality of craft guilds such as that ofcontemporary cane rodmakers canonly benefit from increased exposure to the trueenthusiast core of theflyfishing sport. To many, cane rods today are foreccentrics andcollectors, not really for fishing. Providing anexpanded opportunity forothers to sense and feel the artistry and pleasureof a fine cane rod canonly help the sport, and the rodmakers guild.Doing so will guaranty a loyalfollowing beyond today, and beyond today's technographite consumerism. John ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 21 09:34:32 2001 f0LFYVe09149 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:34:19 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Blank Relections... Tim,I'm not worried about that, I have a squad of hired kneecapbusters that deal with people who abuse my "babies". ;^)Shawntimothy troester wrote: shawn, if you sold this fellow a completed flyrod,what's to keep him from painting it orange or changingthe components to those from an older favorite rod orputting another coat of botched-up varnish on it. orbetter yet what's to keep a person from abusing a rodand claiming poor workmanship for the result. timothy from rsgould@cmc.net Sun Jan 21 09:43:23 2001 f0LFhMe09341 Subject: Regarding making blanks This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0837D.B6D5F600 Hi to all,The topic of making and selling blanks is one with which many if not all =us have struggled. And you know, it doen't seem to be an issue with me =as to what someone else will make the final rod look like nor what the =blank makers reputation will become. In a way it's nice to be able to =help those who don't have all the equipment, machinery, space, time or =capability to enjoy at least part of the satisfaction of making a fly =rod. While it's true I have sold a blank or two in the past, I've =decided not to do so any more. Actually the reason is simply that it's =difficult to go through all the work of handcrafting a rod blank and =then not experience the delight of finishing the rod and putting my =signature on it. It may be different for those builders who have more =powered equipment and higher production capabilities but I find I put so =much personal hand work into a rod blank which in itself is the "core" = Ray ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0837D.B6D5F600 Hi to all,The topic of making and selling blanks = doen't seem to be an issue with me as to what someone else will make the = rod look like nor what the blank makers reputation will become. In a way = nice to be able to help those who don't have all the equipment, = space, time or capability to enjoy at least part of the satisfaction of = fly rod. While it's true I have sold a blank or two in the past, I've = not to do so any more. Actually the reason is simply that it's difficult = through all the work of handcrafting a rod blank and then not experience = delight of finishing the rod and putting my signature on it. It may be = capabilities but I find I put so much personal hand work into a rod = in itself is the "core" or fundamental part that I feel the need to = well. Ray ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0837D.B6D5F600-- from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Jan 21 09:46:57 2001 f0LFkte09537 Subject: call to all Canadians Sorry to do this but since I had a problem with my computer recently and reinstalling all my data my email prog has marked everything as read andreplied to and urgent and possibly concatenated messages. It wan't a virusproblem so don't panic that I've infected the list.Anyhow somebody (I hope on the list) contacted me as he was going to be inPerth some time soon and wanted to get in touch.If you're out there could you please contact me again, try as I might Ican't find your message. Tony/**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from rsgould@cmc.net Sun Jan 21 09:54:58 2001 f0LFsve09846 Subject: Re: The Snowfly Haven't read it yet but I see the write up on Amazon.com describes it as athriller about a conspiracy linking locquacious sexpots, writers, and troutfishers. What a combination! Now the question is will the mysterious snowfly hatch where I fish?Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: The Snowfly I picked up this book because the cover talked about a mythical fly. Idon't fly fish but my husband does. It was one of the best books I'veread in years. Has anyone else read this work of fiction? from nobler@satx.rr.com Sun Jan 21 10:11:19 2001 f0LGBJe10258 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:59:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Blank Relections... I can sure see why someone would buy a cane rod blank, when you considerthecost of setting up to build your own from scratch ! And that's not tomention the time factor !GMA from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Sun Jan 21 11:14:04 2001 f0LHE2e11076 Subject: what is it? Howdy all, While strolling through one of our local second hand stores yesterday, I came across a cane rod standing in a corner ,all by it self, looking lonely. It has no markings on it so I'll give a description. If any one has any idea what it might be or what it might be worth I'd appreciate it. They want 85 dollars for it, and I'm sure I can move them off of that. It is a 5 peice rod, 1 butt section, 2 mid sections and 2 tip sections. The butt has a reversable grip so it is a combo spinning /flyrod depending on assembly. All hardware is plated brass. The fixed hood of the reelseet is pinned in place. It would be uplocking in the flyrod configuration. The wraps are maroon colored and poorly done, guide feet not prepared at all. The wrapping thread is wrapped on one end of the snake guide, then spiraled on the back side of the blank ,and then the other guide foot is wrapped. . However , the blank looks to be made quite well, no glue lines everything is straight, no twists ect. The finish on the blank is poorly done, looks brushed on , and generaly sloppy. The thread on the reel seat is a very coarse, rounded type of thread. With the exception of the poor assembly it looks like it might be a good canidate for me to learn about stripping down and re-wrapping and fiishing. Is it worth the effort? The cork is not in the greatest conditon, cigar shaped and about 6- 1/2 inches long. I couldnt see any hook digs or flaws in the blank itself. I guess My main question is , beside what it mioght be, is if you pros think it would be a good thing for a newbie to aquire and practice some skills on? I dont have a ton of extra money laying around but experience cant be bought either. Whattya think guys? from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Jan 21 11:33:25 2001 f0LHXOe11403 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:33:38 -0600 Subject: Re: what is it? Jim,This is probably one of the "wet noodle" rods that were brought back fromJapan after the WW2. They usually came in a box with flies and a leader. Ihave several of them and can't get 25.00 ea. from a dealer. One iscomplete with flies and all. The rod made into a Casting, Spinning andFlyrod depending how you assembled it. A good rod to play with and thenhang it up. 85.00 to me is way out of line. I may be wrong but that is myguess. The most I gave for mine was 20.00. That was for the one completein a wood box. No, I am not taking offers I have already promised them tomy son in law.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jim Flinchbaugh wrote: Howdy all,While strolling through one of our local second hand storesyesterday, I came across a cane rod standing in a corner ,all by itself, looking lonely. It has no markings on it so I'll give adescription. If any one has any idea what it might be or what itmight be worth I'd appreciate it. They want 85 dollars for it, and I'msure I can move them off of that. It is a 5 peice rod, 1 butt section,2 mid sections and 2 tip sections. The butt has a reversable grip soit is a combo spinning /flyrod depending on assembly. All hardwareis plated brass. The fixed hood of the reelseet is pinned in place. Itwould be uplocking in the flyrod configuration. The wraps aremaroon colored and poorly done, guide feet not prepared at all. Thewrapping thread is wrapped on one end of the snake guide, thenspiraled on the back side of the blank ,and then the other guidefoot is wrapped. . However , the blank looks to be made quite well,no glue lines everything is straight, no twists ect. The finish on theblank is poorly done, looks brushed on , and generaly sloppy. Thethread on the reel seat is a very coarse, rounded type of thread.With the exception of the poor assembly it looks like it might be agood canidate for me to learn about stripping down and re-wrappingand fiishing. Is it worth the effort? The cork is not in the greatestconditon, cigar shaped and about 6- 1/2 inches long. I couldnt seeany hook digs or flaws in the blank itself. I guess My main questionis , beside what it mioght be, is if you pros think it would be a goodthing for a newbie to aquire and practice some skills on? I donthave a ton of extra money laying around but experience cant bebought either. Whattya think guys? from nobler@satx.rr.com Sun Jan 21 11:34:24 2001 f0LHYOe11531 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:22:15 -0600 Subject: Re: what is it? It sounds like one of the cheap Japanese imports, that came in during the1950's. At best it might be a Montague, or H-I, and that means $10 to $25max. ! GMA from GriffinJohn@email.msn.com Sun Jan 21 11:53:50 2001 f0LHroe12003 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:53:23 -0800 Subject: Re: what is it? Hi Jim: Sounds as if this rod might be a Japanese one. If so, I have one like it,given years ago by a friend who came across it. I was also intrigued, butcame to find out that it is virtually worthless. Wrong type of cane. Sold inthe thousands post WWII, mainly to US service people, generally packaged ina balsa box. Caveat emptor. I have just recently become enthused about cane rods, and found MikeSinclair's "Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook" invaluable. You can find it inlist links, or amazon.com, etc. John John-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ----- Original Message ----- Subject: what is it? Howdy all,While strolling through one of our local second hand storesyesterday, I came across a cane rod standing in a corner ,all by itself, looking lonely. It has no markings on it so I'll give adescription. If any one has any idea what it might be or what itmight be worth I'd appreciate it. They want 85 dollars for it, and I'msure I can move them off of that. It is a 5 peice rod, 1 butt section,2 mid sections and 2 tip sections. The butt has a reversable grip soit is a combo spinning /flyrod depending on assembly. All hardwareis plated brass. The fixed hood of the reelseet is pinned in place. Itwould be uplocking in the flyrod configuration. The wraps aremaroon colored and poorly done, guide feet not prepared at all. Thewrapping thread is wrapped on one end of the snake guide, thenspiraled on the back side of the blank ,and then the other guidefoot is wrapped. . However , the blank looks to be made quite well,no glue lines everything is straight, no twists ect. The finish on theblank is poorly done, looks brushed on , and generaly sloppy. Thethread on the reel seat is a very coarse, rounded type of thread.With the exception of the poor assembly it looks like it might be agood canidate for me to learn about stripping down and re-wrappingand fiishing. Is it worth the effort? The cork is not in the greatestconditon, cigar shaped and about 6- 1/2 inches long. I couldnt seeany hook digs or flaws in the blank itself. I guess My main questionis , beside what it mioght be, is if you pros think it would be a goodthing for a newbie to aquire and practice some skills on? I donthave a ton of extra money laying around but experience cant bebought either. Whattya think guys? from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Sun Jan 21 12:14:07 2001 f0LIE6e12505 Subject: Re: what is it? Well, thanks for the info folks. I thought it might be overpriced but had no idea for sure. I was mainly thinking of a way to get my feet wet in a cane rod since I'm not getting very far building my tools. But a highly polished turd is still a turd aint it? thanks for the repliesJim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Jan 21 13:02:03 2001 f0LJ22e13510 2001 11:01:58 PST Subject: Re: what is it? i lived in the upper pennisula of michigan for a whilewhere a polished moose turd was a bangle earring. :>)timothy --- Jim Flinchbaugh wrote:Well, thanks for the info folks. I thought it mightbe overpriced but had no idea for sure. I was mainly thinking of a wayto get my feet wet in a cane rod since I'm not getting very farbuilding my tools. But a highly polished turd is still a turd aint it? thanks for the repliesJim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Sun Jan 21 13:08:11 2001 f0LJ8Ae13732 ;Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:07:55 +0000 Subject: Re: help, computer stuff Shawn:Looks OK to me ---am reading what you send. Jack from rsgould@cmc.net Sun Jan 21 13:13:24 2001 f0LJDNe13995 Subject: Re: what is it? Hi Jim,Sounds like the replies from Tony, George and John are right on the money.It may well be a $10 rod with a $75 profit for the seller.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: what is it? Well, thanks for the info folks. I thought it might be overpriced buthad no idea for sure. I was mainly thinking of a way to get my feetwet in a cane rod since I'm not getting very far building my tools.But a highly polished turd is still a turd aint it?thanks for the repliesJim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from saweiss@flash.net Sun Jan 21 13:21:02 2001 f0LJKue14272 Subject: Re: Blank Reflections... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C083A4.9B8DA380 Like many others, I too get requests for blanks. I refuse, because I =will have no control over how the rod will be finished, but also because =I don't turn out lots of rods per year and I want to complete them =myself.Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C083A4.9B8DA380 Like many others, I too get requests for blanks. I = because I will have no control over how the rod will be finished, but = because I don't turn out lots of rods per year and I want to complete = myself.Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C083A4.9B8DA380-- from saweiss@flash.net Sun Jan 21 13:23:39 2001 f0LJNYe14456 Subject: Re: The Snowfly This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C083A4.F7F0C300 I haven't read the book, but here in New Mexico, the snowfly is =certainly not mythical.Steve I picked up this book because the cover talked about a mythical fly. =Idon't fly fish but my husband does. It was one of the best books I'veread in years. Has anyone else read this work of fiction? ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C083A4.F7F0C300 I haven't read the book, but here in= Mexico, the snowfly is certainly not mythical.Steve = = ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C083A4.F7F0C300-- from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Jan 21 13:25:14 2001 f0LJPDe14637 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:25:35 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: what is it? There ia s guy in Minnesota that makes Bass bugs from Mooseturds. No Joke, I have one. He tied at the FFF Conclave inMichigan three years ago.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com timothy troester wrote: i lived in the upper pennisula of michigan for a whilewhere a polished moose turd was a bangle earring. :>)timothy --- Jim Flinchbaugh wrote:Well, thanks for the info folks. I thought it mightbe overpriced buthad no idea for sure. I was mainly thinking of a wayto get my feetwet in a cane rod since I'm not getting very farbuilding my tools.But a highly polished turd is still a turd aint it?thanks for the repliesJim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from Troutgetter@aol.com Sun Jan 21 13:34:47 2001 f0LJYke15086 Subject: Re: Blank Relections... In a message dated 1/21/2001 7:44:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca writes: Shawn,Would you be so kind as to introduce me to "your friends"? Last year I witnessed one of my little 6'3" 3wt lift a 19" rainbow out of the water and onto the bank. I would like to "teach" him another method!Mike from briansr@point-net.com Sun Jan 21 14:23:13 2001 f0LKNCe16409 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:23:00 -0500 Subject: Re: call to all Canadians Hi Tonyref.your postPerth who ???Sounds kinky to me Cheers Brian Subject: call to all Canadians \.Anyhow somebody (I hope on the list) contacted me as he was going to beinPerth some time soon and wanted to get in touch.If you're out there could you please contact me again, try as I might Ican't find your message. Tony /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ from nobler@satx.rr.com Sun Jan 21 16:19:56 2001 f0LMJte18671 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:07:54 -0600 Subject: Re: what is it? Yes, and as I recall those rods were $9.95, including box, flies and all !They were over priced then !GMA from Canerods@aol.com Sun Jan 21 16:46:51 2001 f0LMkpe19188 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance --part1_ee.1012338f.279cc0d1_boundary In a message dated 1/20/01 9:56:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, troutchaser@home.com writes: Since we are on the Heddon topic, I was wondering if anyone hadinformation on the Heddon Model 1000? Looking for length, line weight,wrap colors and taper if anyone has it. Also does anyone have firsthand knowledge of this rod? How does it perform? Thanks,....ron Ron ElderCalgary, AB Ron, Heddon used the number system to represent the pirce (and hopefullyquality) level of a rod. The higher the rod number - the more expensive the rod. But number does not equal the selling price. A system like the Granger modle names, but numbers were used in the Heddon line. The rods were also given model names, but many were not labeled with this name, just the number. After you decided how much you wanted to pay for a Heddon rod, you then picked the rod length and line weight you wanted from their tapers. So a model #10 (blue waters) and a model #1000 (rod of rods) would havethe same taper if they were both ordered as a 9' 2-1/2F taper for example. Just the rod finish details would differ. So asking for casting information on a model #1000 is imposible without knowing the rod length and taper. Don Burns --part1_ee.1012338f.279cc0d1_boundary In a message dated1/20/01 9:56:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, troutchaser@home.com writes: Since we are on the Heddon topic, I was wondering if anyone had weight, first Thanks,....ron Ron ElderCalgary, AB Ron, Heddon used the number system to represent the pirce (and hopefullyquality) level of a rod. The higher the rod number - the more expensive the rod.But number does not equal the selling price. A system like the Grangermodle names, but numbers were used in the Heddon line. The rods were alsogiven model names, but many were not labeled with this name, just thenumber. After you decided how much you wanted to pay for a Heddon rod, youthen picked the rod length and line weight you wanted from their tapers. So a model #10 (blue waters) and a model #1000 (rod of rods)would have the same taper if they were both ordered as a 9' 2-1/2F taper for example.Just the rod finish details would differ. So asking for casting information on a model #1000 is imposiblewithout knowing the rod length and taper. Don Burns --part1_ee.1012338f.279cc0d1_boundary-- from harms1@pa.net Sun Jan 21 17:36:57 2001 f0LNaue20269 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:36:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond All. Would anyone happen to know if there are any urethane glues that do notswell as they cure, or is it just the nature of the chemistry that they alldo? Cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Urethane Bond I've been using Elmer's ProBond, to even repair separated sections, and itdoes one heck of a job. Most DIY stores have it.GMA from oakmere@carol.net Sun Jan 21 17:45:24 2001 f0LNjNe20534 Subject: RE: What is it? Hi Jim and others: Yes, that is what I did about 2 years ago and have been refinishing bamboorods and then fishing them. I have found it a good way to learn some of thetechniques. At the same time I have been acquiring the "stuff" to make myown. Go for it. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Jan 21 18:32:34 2001 f0M0WXe21459 Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:32:32 +0800 Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:32:30 +0800 Subject: Re: call to all Canadians yeah well, each to his own fella ;-) Tony At 03:22 PM 1/21/01 -0500, brian sturrock wrote:Hi Tonyref.your postPerth who ???Sounds kinky to me Cheers Brian Subject: call to all Canadians .Anyhow somebody (I hope on the list) contacted me as he was going to beinPerth some time soon and wanted to get in touch.If you're out there could you please contact me again, try as I might Ican't find your message. Tony /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from jczimny@dol.net Sun Jan 21 19:54:51 2001 f0M1soe22919 Organization: J. C. Zimny Rod Company rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Urethane Bond There is some expansion. Most of it is because of gases which are the by- productof the curing reaction.John WILLIAM HARMS wrote: All. Would anyone happen to know if there are any urethane glues that do notswell as they cure, or is it just the nature of the chemistry that they alldo? Cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message -----From: "nobler" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:59 PMSubject: Re: Urethane Bond I've been using Elmer's ProBond, to even repair separated sections, and itdoes one heck of a job. Most DIY stores have it.GMA from rbrand@mmcable.com Sun Jan 21 19:59:20 2001 f0M1xKe23184 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:56:57 -0600 Subject: Re: what is it? JimYou might take a look at this web site, these rods kinda look like the oneyour describing. Don't know how much its worth.laterREBhttp://members.tripod.com/~maxrod/grampus/grampus.html ----- Original Message ----- Subject: what is it? Howdy all,While strolling through one of our local second hand storesyesterday, I came across a cane rod standing in a corner ,all by itself, looking lonely. It has no markings on it so I'll give adescription. If any one has any idea what it might be or what itmight be worth I'd appreciate it. They want 85 dollars for it, and I'msure I can move them off of that. It is a 5 peice rod, 1 butt section,2 mid sections and 2 tip sections. The butt has a reversable grip soit is a combo spinning /flyrod depending on assembly. All hardwareis plated brass. The fixed hood of the reelseet is pinned in place. Itwould be uplocking in the flyrod configuration. The wraps aremaroon colored and poorly done, guide feet not prepared at all. Thewrapping thread is wrapped on one end of the snake guide, thenspiraled on the back side of the blank ,and then the other guidefoot is wrapped. . However , the blank looks to be made quite well,no glue lines everything is straight, no twists ect. The finish on theblank is poorly done, looks brushed on , and generaly sloppy. Thethread on the reel seat is a very coarse, rounded type of thread.With the exception of the poor assembly it looks like it might be agood canidate for me to learn about stripping down and re-wrappingand fiishing. Is it worth the effort? The cork is not in the greatestconditon, cigar shaped and about 6- 1/2 inches long. I couldnt seeany hook digs or flaws in the blank itself. I guess My main questionis , beside what it mioght be, is if you pros think it would be a goodthing for a newbie to aquire and practice some skills on? I donthave a ton of extra money laying around but experience cant bebought either. Whattya think guys? from bamboo@pa.net Sun Jan 21 21:23:04 2001 f0M3N3e24701 Subject: Inexperienced Computer Operator This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C083F9.C74A3B00 Can anyone tell me the reason why I had to rejoin rodmakers three times =in the past several months? It seems that I am getting booted off on =weekends??? Is there something I'm doing wrong. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C083F9.C74A3B00 Can anyone tell me the reason why I had= wrong. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C083F9.C74A3B00-- from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Jan 21 21:56:44 2001 f0M3ude25532 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:56:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Inexperienced Computer Operator Bill,I can't tell you how tempting it is to make up someterrible story about why you get booted off. You know,something that would make you mad as can be. :-) But Ican't do it. Humor doesn't always translate well over thescreen. And I would certainly intend it to be funny.Truth is, that getting kicked off usually has absolutelynothing to do with you. I remember the first time I gotkicked off. It was right after I had blasted someone on thelist. I thought maybe that ugly guy from St. Louie hadgotten enough of me and given me the boot!! But alas, itwas just a problem with my Internet Service Provider. I'msure Mike has been upset with me plenty of times, but neverso upset that he pulled the plug. :-)The way I understand it, the server in St. Louis onlymakes one attempt to deliver your mail. If it isunsuccessful, then your name is suspended from the activelist. to be re-instated, you simply unsubscribe andresubscribe.Bottom line, blame your email service providers. It'sprobably their fault. And don't worry, it happens to all ofus occasionally. Harry Boyd Bill Taylor wrote: Can anyone tell me the reason why I had to rejoinrodmakers three times in the past several months? Itseems that I am getting booted off on weekends??? Is theresomething I'm doing wrong. --"...Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sun Jan 21 22:12:13 2001 f0M4CCe25842 Subject: Kirsten Gould/Ray's granddaughter List,I got an e-mail from Ray yesterday with an update on his granddaughter. She has completed her 3rd chemo treatment. She was able to come home for aday but ended up having to go back to the hospital because of a fever and an infection. There seems to be some shrinkage of the tumor though and thatis good news. I know that the family has been real appreciative of the people from the list who have sent e-mails to Kristen and cards as well. As you know there is also a trust fund set up in her name and I know some of you have given to that too. Guys I encourage you to keep Kirsten in your prayers and continue to send her little notes now and then. This is a real spirit lifter to a young person when they are sick and a good spirit helps on the road to recovery. Thank you from Ray, Kirsten and the rest of the Gould family. Bret from nobler@satx.rr.com Sun Jan 21 22:17:48 2001 f0M4Hle26065 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:05:38 -0600 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond It doesn't seem like they swell, as dimensions stay the same when bindingproperly. It's just their nature to foam, as the catalytic action happens.Actually this is good in many respects, as it fills any voids, no matter howsmall. I have found them very good for setting reel seats, and generalrepairs, as well as repairing separated strips. GMA from nobler@satx.rr.com Sun Jan 21 22:36:10 2001 f0M4a9e26560 Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:24:07 -0600 Subject: Re: what is it? Yes, that's it exactly ! Very flashy !GMA from petermckean@netspace.net.au Mon Jan 22 05:43:21 2001 f0MBhJe01424 f0MBhAA72559; Subject: Re: what is it? Organization: vet Tony Is that a "bass" bug, or an "ass" bug? Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: what is it? There ia s guy in Minnesota that makes Bass bugs from Mooseturds. No Joke, I have one. He tied at the FFF Conclave inMichigan three years ago.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com timothy troester wrote: i lived in the upper pennisula of michigan for a whilewhere a polished moose turd was a bangle earring. :>)timothy --- Jim Flinchbaugh wrote:Well, thanks for the info folks. I thought it mightbe overpriced buthad no idea for sure. I was mainly thinking of a wayto get my feetwet in a cane rod since I'm not getting very farbuilding my tools.But a highly polished turd is still a turd aint it?thanks for the repliesJim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from petermckean@netspace.net.au Mon Jan 22 05:56:30 2001 f0MBuTe01708 f0MBuJA74061; Subject: Re: Urethane Bond Organization: vet Bill I have just been given a sample of a polyurethane glue by a client of minewho is the local agent. The reasons I have never tried out PU glues beforethis are that (a) I am perfectly happy with the Shell Epon epoxy that I havenow used on thirteen rods and (b) The only commercially available one on ourmarket is about Australian $16 for a small tube that looks like it wouldhardly suffice for one rod; and the sort of bulk trade pack is 5 litres, andthe damn stuff cures on atmospheric moisture exposure. However, I have a small container of the stuff, and am now debating whetheror not to risk a set of finished strips and try it out. So do the list members have any feelings one way or the other about this?Why would you use a PU instead of an epoxy, or for that matter, instead ofResorcinol? I read about the "foaming" that happens with PU's, but up until now (yourpost) had always assumed that the foaming sort of just went away as itdried. Is that not true? Appreciate any opinions Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Urethane Bond All. Would anyone happen to know if there are any urethane glues that do notswell as they cure, or is it just the nature of the chemistry that theyalldo? Cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message -----From: "nobler" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:59 PMSubject: Re: Urethane Bond I've been using Elmer's ProBond, to even repair separated sections, anditdoes one heck of a job. Most DIY stores have it.GMA from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Mon Jan 22 06:06:50 2001 f0MC6ne01948 Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:05:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond negatives. Mostly positives.Positives:1. One part with no mixing.2. Good open working time.3. Stiff blanks with no heat curing.4. Foaming set takes water out of the strips (I believe this is possible, but I am not sure.)5. Reasonable cost and shelf life. Negatives:1. Messy and leaves nasty black marks on exposed skin.2. If you have glue lines (yikes) they are ugly grey, foamy ones.3. Not very good on nodeless splices compared to Tite Bond II. If you are happy with the Epon, I would not change. I myself, am looking into Urac at this point. I want to see how the clean up compares to Epon.Best regards,Bob So do the list members have any feelings one way or the other about this?Why would you use a PU instead of an epoxy, or for that matter, instead ofResorcinol? Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from dpeaston@wzrd.com Mon Jan 22 07:01:37 2001 f0MD1ae02514 , Subject: Re: Urethane Bond All, As I understand it the Dow Corning Urethane Bond is quite different fromthe Gorilla type. The Uretane bond I used to get 5-10 years ago (Dow) usedto set up in the tube, sometimes before you bought the stuff! Perhaps John Z. Could comment. -Doug At 07:04 AM 1/22/01 -0500, Bob Maulucci wrote: negatives. Mostly positives.Positives:1. One part with no mixing.2. Good open working time.3. Stiff blanks with no heat curing.4. Foaming set takes water out of the strips (I believe this is possible, but I am not sure.)5. Reasonable cost and shelf life. Negatives:1. Messy and leaves nasty black marks on exposed skin.2. If you have glue lines (yikes) they are ugly grey, foamy ones.3. Not very good on nodeless splices compared to Tite Bond II. If you are happy with the Epon, I would not change. I myself, am looking into Urac at this point. I want to see how the clean up compares to Epon.Best regards,Bob So do the list members have any feelings one way or the other about this?Why would you use a PU instead of an epoxy, or for that matter, insteadofResorcinol? Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Mon Jan 22 07:20:43 2001 f0MDKge02853 Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:19:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond Hi Doug:Actually, I am not sure if Gorilla Glue is a true polyurethane.Bob At 08:01 AM 1/22/2001 -0500, Douglas P. Easton wrote:All, As I understand it the Dow Corning Urethane Bond is quite different fromthe Gorilla type. The Uretane bond I used to get 5-10 years ago (Dow) usedto set up in the tube, sometimes before you bought the stuff! Perhaps John Z. Could comment. -Doug Bob Mauluccibob@downandacross.com from nobler@satx.rr.com Mon Jan 22 08:47:46 2001 f0MElie05254 Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:35:36 -0600 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond The ProBond I have used foams for only about 5-minutes or so, and Icontinueto wipe it off until it stops. After that, the cure leaves an invisible glueline, and no growth. I'll not hesitate to use it on a new rod. It scrapeseasily too !GMA from jvswan@earthlink.net Mon Jan 22 10:15:19 2001 f0MGFIe08744 (63.225.232.197) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022Subject: Virus alert "VIRUS INFO PLEASE READ A.S.A.P." If you receive an email entitled "Badtimes," delete it immediately.Do not open it. Apparently this one is pretty nasty. It will not onlyerase everything on your hard drive, but it will also delete anythingon disks within 20 feet of your computer. It demagnetizes the stripeson ALL of your credit cards. It reprograms your ATM access code,screws up the tracking on your VCR and uses subspace field harmonicsto scratch any CD's you attempt to play. It will program your phoneauto dial to call only your mother-in-law's number. This virus willmix antifreeze into your fish tank. It will drink all your beer. (ForGod's sake, man! Are you listening?!?!) It will leave dirty socks onthe coffee table when you are expecting company. It will replace yourshampoo with Nair and your Nair with Rogaine, all the while datingyour current boy/girlfriend behind your back and billing their hotelrendezvous to your Visa card. It will cause you to run with scissorsand throw things in a way that is only fun until someone loses aneye. It will rewrite your backup files, changing all your activeverbs to passive tense and incorporating undetectable misspellings,which grossly change the interpretations of key sentences. If the"Badtimes" message is opened in a Windows 95/98 environment, it willleave the toilet seat up and leave your hair dryer plugged indangerously close to a full bathtub. It will not only remove theforbidden tags from your mattresses and pillows, it will also refillyour skim milk with whole milk. **WARN AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN.** And if you don't send this to 5000 people in 2 seconds it will drainthe oil out of your car's crankcase, and short-circuit the garagedoor opener. from rsgould@cmc.net Mon Jan 22 11:04:31 2001 f0MH4Ue10840 "petermckean" , Subject: Re: Urethane Bond Hi to all,The urethane bond adhesive known as U-bond available from Easypoxy hasnotgiven me any problems with set up in the tube and for that matter neitherdid the urethane bond previously made by Dow Chemical (I think it's the samestuff). I use it only for gluing tip tops, ferrules, reel seats andassembled cork grips in place. I do not use it for gluing cork rings to eachother, I use Elmers carpenter glue for that, and I use Urac 185 for gluingthe strips together. I really like the urethane bond adhesive and do notplan to try a substitute any time soon.RayNo interest in those companies etc.----- Original Message ----- ; Subject: Re: Urethane Bond All, As I understand it the Dow Corning Urethane Bond is quite different fromthe Gorilla type. The Uretane bond I used to get 5-10 years ago (Dow) usedto set up in the tube, sometimes before you bought the stuff! Perhaps John Z. Could comment. -Doug At 07:04 AM 1/22/01 -0500, Bob Maulucci wrote: andnegatives. Mostly positives.Positives:1. One part with no mixing.2. Good open working time.3. Stiff blanks with no heat curing.4. Foaming set takes water out of the strips (I believe this is possible,but I am not sure.)5. Reasonable cost and shelf life. Negatives:1. Messy and leaves nasty black marks on exposed skin.2. If you have glue lines (yikes) they are ugly grey, foamy ones.3. Not very good on nodeless splices compared to Tite Bond II. If you are happy with the Epon, I would not change. I myself, am lookinginto Urac at this point. I want to see how the clean up compares to Epon.Best regards,Bob So do the list members have any feelings one way or the other aboutthis?Why would you use a PU instead of an epoxy, or for that matter, insteadofResorcinol? Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from Canerods@aol.com Mon Jan 22 11:22:45 2001 f0MHMie11707 Subject: Re: what is it? --part1_ff.14ec581.279dc644_boundary Sounds like a Montague or a Japanese rod. If it has a cloth rod sack, then most likely a Montague. If it has a wood box then a Japanese rod. If it's a Montague, look at the ferrules for cracks. Montague used thin crappy "bottle" shaped females that necked down to the male's slide size. If cracked you'll have a hard time replacing them since the female/male sizes are so different in size that using modern ferrules is difficult. Most Montagues used a hookkeeper that was wrapped under the metal ring so thatone long single wrap went from end to end on the hookkeeper. Japanese rods had very cheap plated reelseats in many cases and had rubber plugs in the unused hole on the reversable grips. If Japanese, then you could mostly upgrade the ferrules with modern NS quality stuff, but I've not tried it. The wraps make the rod sound like it is a Japanese rod and the thread is most likely nylon. would refinish into a better rod, IMHO. Look for a Heddon 8'6" "2F" rod in a modle #10 or model #8. Both are fromthe low-end of the Heddon line and should have few problems other thansuffering from broken sections from user error. Refinished with more snake guidesand a better reelseat, they can be made into a nice rod. If you look on Ebay you can often pick one up for about $100, if in need of complete refinishing. Don Burns --part1_ff.14ec581.279dc644_boundary Sounds like a Montagueor a Japanese rod. If it has a cloth rod sack, then most likely a Montague. If it has a wood box then a Japanese rod. If it's a Montague, look at the ferrules for cracks. Montague used thin crappy "bottle" shaped females that necked down to the male's slidesize. If cracked you'll have a hard time replacing them since the female/malesizes are so different in size that using modern ferrules is difficult. Most Montagues used a hookkeeper that was wrapped under the metal ring sothat one long single wrap went from end to end on the hookkeeper. Japanese rods had very cheap plated reelseats in many cases and hadrubber plugs in the unused hole on the reversable grips. If Japanese, then youcould mostly upgrade the ferrules with modern NS quality stuff, but I've nottried it. The wraps make the rod sound like it is a Japanese rod and thethread is most likely nylon. you would refinish into a better rod, IMHO. Look for a Heddon 8'6" "2F" rod in a modle #10 or model #8. Both are from the low-end of the Heddon line and should have few problems other thansuffering from broken sections from user error. Refinished with more snakeguides and a better reelseat, they can be made into a nice rod. If you look on Ebayyou can often pick one up for about $100, if in need of complete refinishing. Don Burns --part1_ff.14ec581.279dc644_boundary-- from fiveside@net-gate.com Mon Jan 22 14:57:42 2001 f0MKvge19824 Subject: Nodeless To the List,Just finished planing out the tip for my nodeless 2/3 wt and looked at thepile of shavings. There must be a way to minimize all that work that goesinto waste. Now this idea may be old hat to many but it's new to me so I'llpost it. Now that we can split so neatly and with nice straight walls, the limitingitem for nodeless is the minimum width of the strip that fits into thescarfing block. Mine is something like 5/32. That is dictated by thethickness of the ramp insert in the block. Looking around the shop forsomething thinner I spied a sheet of formica .045 thick. I pulled out thethick ramp, traced its shape on the formica, cut a new thin ramp, stuck itback in the block, grabbed some scrap cane strips about 1/4 inch wide, splitthem again, planed them down to about .090, and made some nice thin scarfsplices. That's as far as I've gotten but it looks promising. Maybe someonecan suggest a material better than formica. holding the node in the vise and working the split towards it? My hero!While I'm taking up your time, electric canopeners have something like a40 RPM shaft which might be useful for rod work. Bill from Fishnabug@aol.com Mon Jan 22 15:24:25 2001 f0MLOOe21284 Subject: Impregnation Chamber --part1_b2.10363c28.279dfeb1_boundary Does anyone have other ideas (simple) on impregnation of bamboo blanks other than what's found in Best of The Planning Form. The mentioned Orvis method seems like letting a blank stay in the dip tank for a week, is this correct?I'm considering making the pressure chamber. Which method is better? And finally how much does this affect the action of the rod? Thanks in advance,David Maxey --part1_b2.10363c28.279dfeb1_boundary (simple) on impregnation of bamboo blanks other than what's found in Best of The Planning Form. Thementioned Orvis method seems like letting a blank stay in the dip tank for a week, is this correct? chamber. Which method is better? And finally how much does this affect the action of the rod? Thanks in advance,David Maxey --part1_b2.10363c28.279dfeb1_boundary-- from teekay35@interlynx.net Mon Jan 22 15:53:10 2001 f0MLr9e22780 Subject: Re: Nodeless Many years ago I tried a electric can opener as a rotator for applyingcoats to my wraps. Running continuously, the motor over heated and almostburst into flames. Maybe the recent models are made better! ----------From: Bill Fink Cc: jdneufs@aol.comSubject: NodelessDate: Monday, January 22, 2001 3:55 PM To the List,Just finished planing out the tip for my nodeless 2/3 wt and looked atthepile of shavings. There must be a way to minimize all that work that goesinto waste. Now this idea may be old hat to many but it's new to me soI'llpost it. Now that we can split so neatly and with nice straight walls, thelimitingitem for nodeless is the minimum width of the strip that fits into thescarfing block. Mine is something like 5/32. That is dictated by thethickness of the ramp insert in the block. Looking around the shop forsomething thinner I spied a sheet of formica .045 thick. I pulled out thethick ramp, traced its shape on the formica, cut a new thin ramp, stuckitback in the block, grabbed some scrap cane strips about 1/4 inch wide,splitthem again, planed them down to about .090, and made some nice thinscarfsplices. That's as far as I've gotten but it looks promising. Maybesomeonecan suggest a material better than formica. holding the node in the vise and working the split towards it? My hero!While I'm taking up your time, electric canopeners have something likea40 RPM shaft which might be useful for rod work. Bill from rgelder@excite.ca Mon Jan 22 17:43:48 2001 f0MNhle27103 0800 Subject: Can Opener was Nodeless FWIW I have used an old BBQ rotisserie motor for this. Runs fine with nooverheating problems ;-) Might run a little slow for some peoples tastes. ....ron Ron ElderCalgary, AB On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:47:53 -0500, teekay35@interlynx.net wrote: Many years ago I tried a electric can opener as a rotator for applyingcoats to my wraps. Running continuously, the motor over heated andalmostburst into flames. Maybe the recent models are made better! ----------From: Bill Fink Cc: jdneufs@aol.comSubject: NodelessDate: Monday, January 22, 2001 3:55 PM To the List,Just finished planing out the tip for my nodeless 2/3 wt and lookedatthepile of shavings. There must be a way to minimize all that work thatgoesinto waste. Now this idea may be old hat to many but it's new to me soI'llpost it. Now that we can split so neatly and with nice straight walls, thelimitingitem for nodeless is the minimum width of the strip that fits into thescarfing block. Mine is something like 5/32. That is dictated by thethickness of the ramp insert in the block. Looking around the shop forsomething thinner I spied a sheet of formica .045 thick. I pulled outthethick ramp, traced its shape on the formica, cut a new thin ramp, stuckitback in the block, grabbed some scrap cane strips about 1/4 inch wide,splitthem again, planed them down to about .090, and made some nice thinscarfsplices. That's as far as I've gotten but it looks promising. Maybesomeonecan suggest a material better than formica. ofholding the node in the vise and working the split towards it? My hero!While I'm taking up your time, electric canopeners have somethinglikea40 RPM shaft which might be useful for rod work. Bill _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 22 18:09:10 2001 f0N099e28013 ;Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:09:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Can Opener was Nodeless I use the same Ron and it works great. Jack from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Mon Jan 22 18:34:36 2001 f0N0YZe28665 Subject: Re: Nodeless you wrote earlier:While I'm taking up your time, electric canopeners have something likea40 RPM shaft which might be useful for rod work. Bill The table motor that rotates the plate in your junk microwave works good too !Jim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from jojo@ipa.net Mon Jan 22 21:12:02 2001 f0N3C1e02249 Subject: Re: Virus alert Apparently you have the "Badtimes" virus confused with the much dreadedPara16 wormy trojan horse. Ask Art Port. He got it first, as a Beta version. Ithink he's still scrambling to stay ahead of it. M-D ----- Original Message ----- "VIRUS INFO PLEASE READ A.S.A.P." from danny.twang@pd.no Tue Jan 23 00:38:37 2001 f0N6cae06873 Subject: Re: Can Opener was Nodeless Jacques Follweiler wrote:Iuse the same Ron and it works great.Jack from danny.twang@pd.no Tue Jan 23 00:39:22 2001 f0N6dLe06962 Subject: Re: Can Opener was Nodeless I just got one, and I hope it works for me... danny Jacques Follweiler wrote:Iuse the same Ron and it works great.Jack from ajthramer@hotmail.com Tue Jan 23 01:52:10 2001 f0N7q9e08101 Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:52:05 -0800 Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:52:05 GMT Subject: Re: Impregnation Chamber FILETIME=[613B7A40:01C08511] From: Fishnabug@aol.com Subject: Impregnation ChamberDate: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:22:57 EST Does anyone have other ideas (simple) on impregnation of bamboo blanksother than what's found in Best of The Planning Form. The mentioned Orvismethod seems like letting a blank stay in the dip tank for a week, is thiscorrect?I'm considering making the pressure chamber. Which method is better?And finally how much does this affect the action of the rod? Thanks in advance,David MaxeyHi David, Buy a vacuum pump and make a vacuum tank. Will take about 5 min to getthe resin of your choice into the cane. A.J.Thramer_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from Ralf.Ladda@t-online.de Tue Jan 23 01:58:25 2001 f0N7wOe08309 fwd04.sul.t-online.com Subject: Blueing Hi everybody, I tried to order Dave LeClair's Payne Formula from Russ of Golden Witch,but Russ told me since I am living in Germany he will have trouble withcustoms sending me the stuff because it contains strong acids and otherpoisonous chemicals. I've tried Perma Blue but I am not very satisfiedwith the results. Can anybody give me a formula for a bluing solution soI can mix it up myself or have it mixed up by a chemist? Thanks for thehelp in advance. Regards Ralf from Germany from danny.twang@pd.no Tue Jan 23 02:16:58 2001 f0N8Gve08715 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Blueing 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have used photofixer with great results on NS ferrules. The brands I`ve tried is Kodak TMax andIlford Multigrade fixers, they both work great.Clean the parts and use a rag with the fixer to apply to desired color, no hardener needed.Peter McKean is the brain on this one.I have however not been able to darken brass with it though, but BrassBlack from Birthwood Casyworks great on brass.............. What I like with the fixer is it is not as harmful as BrassBlack and other brands for bluing... regardsdanny Ralf Ladda wrote: Hi everybody, I tried to order Dave LeClair's Payne Formula from Russ of Golden Witch,but Russ told me since I am living in Germany he will have trouble withcustoms sending me the stuff because it contains strong acids and otherpoisonous chemicals. I've tried Perma Blue but I am not very satisfiedwith the results. Can anybody give me a formula for a bluing solution soI can mix it up myself or have it mixed up by a chemist? Thanks for thehelp in advance. Regards Ralf from Germany from petermckean@netspace.net.au Tue Jan 23 03:22:12 2001 f0N9MAe09675 f0N9LrA82542; Subject: Re: Virus alert Organization: vet Jason What do you mean, "virus"? Have you been snooping into my life? I thought it was getting out of bed inthe morning that did all that! Do you mean to tell me it is not like that for everyone? And not every day,either? Wow! Peter ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Virus alert "VIRUS INFO PLEASE READ A.S.A.P." If you receive an email entitled "Badtimes," delete it immediately.Do not open it. Apparently this one is pretty nasty. It will not onlyerase everything on your hard drive, but it will also delete anythingon disks within 20 feet of your computer. It demagnetizes the stripeson ALL of your credit cards. It reprograms your ATM access code,screws up the tracking on your VCR and uses subspace field harmonicsto scratch any CD's you attempt to play. It will program your phoneauto dial to call only your mother-in-law's number. This virus willmix antifreeze into your fish tank. It will drink all your beer. (ForGod's sake, man! Are you listening?!?!) It will leave dirty socks onthe coffee table when you are expecting company. It will replace yourshampoo with Nair and your Nair with Rogaine, all the while datingyour current boy/girlfriend behind your back and billing their hotelrendezvous to your Visa card. It will cause you to run with scissorsand throw things in a way that is only fun until someone loses aneye. It will rewrite your backup files, changing all your activeverbs to passive tense and incorporating undetectable misspellings,which grossly change the interpretations of key sentences. If the"Badtimes" message is opened in a Windows 95/98 environment, it willleave the toilet seat up and leave your hair dryer plugged indangerously close to a full bathtub. It will not only remove theforbidden tags from your mattresses and pillows, it will also refillyour skim milk with whole milk. **WARN AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN.** And if you don't send this to 5000 people in 2 seconds it will drainthe oil out of your car's crankcase, and short-circuit the garagedoor opener. from petermckean@netspace.net.au Tue Jan 23 03:37:03 2001 f0N9b1e09915 f0N9atA83838; Subject: Re: Blueing Organization: vet Ralf On September 14th, 2000, I posted a note on the use of photo fixer forbluing. I have sent it to a couple of people in the meantime, but given thecurrent feeling both about attachments and about bandwidth, I will refrain from attaching it at this time. You should find it easily enough in thearchives given the date and the time (2100), but if you cannot, e-mail meoff list and I can send it to you privately; my McAfee is updated to today,so it should be safe, but I won't do it unless you ask. Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Blueing Hi everybody, I tried to order Dave LeClair's Payne Formula from Russ of Golden Witch,but Russ told me since I am living in Germany he will have trouble withcustoms sending me the stuff because it contains strong acids and otherpoisonous chemicals. I've tried Perma Blue but I am not very satisfiedwith the results. Can anybody give me a formula for a bluing solution soI can mix it up myself or have it mixed up by a chemist? Thanks for thehelp in advance. Regards Ralf from Germany from dnorl@qwest.net Tue Jan 23 06:24:36 2001 f0NCOZe11390 (63.228.46.19) Subject: Re: Nodeless What does the width of the strip have to do with scarfing?Dave-----Original Message----- Subject: Nodeless To the List,Just finished planing out the tip for my nodeless 2/3 wt and looked atthepile of shavings. There must be a way to minimize all that work that goesinto waste. Now this idea may be old hat to many but it's new to me so I'llpost it.Now that we can split so neatly and with nice straight walls, thelimitingitem for nodeless is the minimum width of the strip that fits into thescarfing block. Mine is something like 5/32. That is dictated by thethickness of the ramp insert in the block. Looking around the shop forsomething thinner I spied a sheet of formica .045 thick. I pulled out thethick ramp, traced its shape on the formica, cut a new thin ramp, stuck itback in the block, grabbed some scrap cane strips about 1/4 inch wide,splitthem again, planed them down to about .090, and made some nice thinscarfsplices. That's as far as I've gotten but it looks promising. Maybe someonecan suggest a material better than formica. holding the node in the vise and working the split towards it? My hero!While I'm taking up your time, electric canopeners have something like a40 RPM shaft which might be useful for rod work. Bill from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Tue Jan 23 06:52:51 2001 f0NCqoe11793 Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:51:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Nodeless To me, the problem comes from lack of depth to hold the strip in the block.Bob At 06:23 AM 1/23/2001 -0600, Dave Norling wrote:What does the width of the strip have to do with scarfing?Dave-----Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Cc: jdneufs@aol.com Date: Monday, January 22, 2001 2:58 PMSubject: Nodeless To the List,Just finished planing out the tip for my nodeless 2/3 wt and looked atthepile of shavings. There must be a way to minimize all that work that goesinto waste. Now this idea may be old hat to many but it's new to me so I'llpost it.Now that we can split so neatly and with nice straight walls, thelimitingitem for nodeless is the minimum width of the strip that fits into thescarfing block. Mine is something like 5/32. That is dictated by thethickness of the ramp insert in the block. Looking around the shop forsomething thinner I spied a sheet of formica .045 thick. I pulled out thethick ramp, traced its shape on the formica, cut a new thin ramp, stuck itback in the block, grabbed some scrap cane strips about 1/4 inch wide,splitthem again, planed them down to about .090, and made some nice thinscarfsplices. That's as far as I've gotten but it looks promising. Maybesomeonecan suggest a material better than formica. holding the node in the vise and working the split towards it? My hero!While I'm taking up your time, electric canopeners have something like a40 RPM shaft which might be useful for rod work. Bill Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from anglport@con2.com Tue Jan 23 07:31:31 2001 f0NDVUe12629 Subject: Re: Comet Cursor Who was it who got the "Comet Cursor" from the PHYoung site the otherday?ZDNet has written an article on it and it appears to not be too nefarious.Their comments are at: http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?/adeskb/adt0123/2677222:1717842 Art At 09:08 PM 01/22/2001 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Apparently you have the "Badtimes" virus confused with the much dreadedPara16 wormy trojan horse. Ask Art Port. He got it first, as a Beta version. Ithink he's still scrambling to stay ahead of it. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Jason Swan" "VIRUS INFO PLEASE READ A.S.A.P." from splitcane@home.com Tue Jan 23 09:12:59 2001 f0NFCre15842 0800 Subject: Polyurethane Gules Hello Everyone... This is my first post as I'm new to the list, I have aquestion about Polyurethane Glues ( i.e. Gorilla Glue ) I checked thearchives and found makers using it on grips and reel seats, but no onecommitting to using it to glue up the strips for the final rod ( unless Imissed something ) I'm thinking it would be a great glue to use in thisprocess as it's waterproof, solventproof ( when cured ) exterior glue,stainable, natural color when cured, working range is 40* to 130*, stayssimiflexible when cured, fills in cavities on hollow built rods addingstructure without much weight, fills in slight gaps ( I told you I'm a newmaker :-) The gaps fall under the grip and reel seat as I did not make mystrips wide enough to accommodate the swelled butt section I finally settledon, the rod is flamed and the glue in the slight gaps stained very wellalmost invisible ( they fell under the grip but still bothered me :-) I havebeen doing restoration work for quit awhile and have come across epoxyfailure in the past when used on hardware ( ferrules, butt caps, ect ) asthe two materials expand and contract at different rates and the bondfinally breaks clean. I know this is not a big concern as when gluing stripstogether as your dealing with the same material on both sides of the bondand this is an accepted and tried method, but it seems a little flex in thebond would be an advantage. The same advantage a skyscraper that flex's inthe wind, if it dose not flex it will fail... Thanks in advance for yourinput and time, hope I'm not rehashing old posts but this is something thathas potential in my mind... Take Care, Dave from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Tue Jan 23 09:47:39 2001 f0NFlce18396 Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:45:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Polyurethane Gules The Gorilla Glue works great for strips. I have about 10 rods glued up with it. I have had several off list comments saying that people who fish 200 days a year with their Gorilla Glue rods have had good success (not made by me, but the posters). I am getting some URAC to try, but the GG works as well as the Epon I use for other peoples rods. Why do I use the Epon for sale and charity rods, because it is more traditional (accepted), and I don't want to lose a sale on someone questioning whether I will be the Gillum of the 21st Century (a reference to his adhesives only). Yeah, I am paranoid but have no reason to not use the GG from what I have personallyseen.Best regards,Bob At 07:59 AM 1/23/2001 -0700, Dave Collyer wrote:Hello Everyone... This is my first post as I'm new to the list, I have aquestion about Polyurethane Glues ( i.e. Gorilla Glue ) I checked thearchives and found makers using it on grips and reel seats, but no onecommitting to using it to glue up the strips for the final rod ( unless Imissed something ) Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from Grhghlndr@aol.com Tue Jan 23 20:25:55 2001 f0O2Pse12409 Subject: Sanding blocks petermckean@netspace.net.au, harms1@pa.net List, To all who were interested in these sanding blocks. I have 16 of them in various stages of completion and anyone who wanted them should let me know. It will be awhile before I am going to make any more. First come first served. I had a bigger response than I thought, but I should have enough for everyone interested with a few left over. I have already received 3 responses in the mail as of today. Bret from timklein@qwest.net Tue Jan 23 21:36:56 2001 f0O3ate14701 (63.225.241.236) Subject: Re: Virus alert My wife swears that the "flyfishing fever" I get this time of year is caused (gives me a good excuse to call in sick to work every once in a whilethough...) ---Tim from mrmac@tcimet.net Tue Jan 23 22:31:24 2001 f0O4VNe15779 UAA01366 Subject: burnishing tool I know some of you guys have gremlins....I have kids. They sneak inwhen I'm not looking and hide the tool I'm gonna need that night. ;-)They are in conspiracy with the floor, which also hides things whichcome in contact with it. Anyway, needing my nowhere to be found fancy burnishing tool, I took a5" piece of leftover bamboo about .200" wide and and trimmed it down tomaybe .050" thick or so, squared up the end "clean", and found that itdid two things well for me. First, using the squared off end, it"packed" windings nice, tight, and square as they went on. (I do byhand, no power) Second, the enamel side, which I had scraped nice andsmooth but left a little crown on, made a very good burnisher tosmoooooth everything down real nice. Worked well for me, thought I'd pass it along. Cheap, too. andso.......organic ;^) best to all, mac from Troutgetter@aol.com Tue Jan 23 22:32:02 2001 f0O4W2e15877 Subject: Re: Virus alert In a message dated 1/23/2001 1:23:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, petermckean@netspace.net.au writes: Peter, It is like that for everyone, it's only the "infected" one's who feel the sick compulsion to pick up after themselves .... uhg ... gives me the eebee geebee's just thinking about the poor sick bastards. 8^)Mike (where is my other sock?) Shay from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Wed Jan 24 05:57:37 2001 f0OBvae23977 ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:56:32 -0500 Subject: test-please delete Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Jan 24 09:08:28 2001 f0OF8Re29641 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:55:59 -0600 Subject: Re: burnishing tool I have a good pal that explained the "missing tool mystery", and this isthat it goes off into the 4th dimension. Go do something else, for a fewminutes, and invariably, it will have returned, when you return to the job !GMA from rgelder@excite.ca Wed Jan 24 09:09:48 2001 f0OF9le29772 0800 Subject: Waterborne finishes Since the list is so slow, I'm looking for opinions and/or experiences usingthe waterborne exterior grade poly finishes. I was thinking that since the poly is a little more flexible and staysflexible over time that it wouldn't check or crack over time with rod use. Thoughts? Thanks. Ron ElderCalgary, AB _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from jmpio@nhbm.com Wed Jan 24 09:14:17 2001 f0OFEGe00156 Subject: RE: Waterborne finishes I've used interior waterborne poly on woodworking projects, but can'tcomment directly on the exterior grade stuff. I find that the waterbornepolys are clear (i.e., they impart not color) but have an almost cloudyappearance, they tend to mute the grain in wood. What I've always likedabout spar varnishes is the slightly amber tint they give to the piece,especially cane. But then again, one is not always looking for that ambertint. -----Original Message----- Subject: Waterborne finishes Since the list is so slow, I'm looking for opinions and/or experiences usingthe waterborne exterior grade poly finishes. I was thinking that since the poly is a little more flexible and staysflexible over time that it wouldn't check or crack over time with rod use. Thoughts? Thanks. Ron ElderCalgary, AB _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 24 10:10:43 2001 f0OGAhe03233 Subject: Re: burnishing tool Not if SWMBO has touched it! Onis nobler@satx.rr.com wrote:I have a good pal that explained the "missing tool mystery", and this isthat it goes off into the 4th dimension. Go do something else, for a fewminutes, and invariably, it will have returned, when you return to the job !GMA from if6were9@bellsouth.net Wed Jan 24 10:41:17 2001 f0OGfGe04996 Subject: Re: burnishing tool A friend told me that something in the air here causes certain tools to growlegs and walk away. He must be right, it seems that a lot of mine do justthat. It somehow coincides with visits from my brother and his 9 year oldson.Of course they don't walk very far, just far enough so I can't find them whenIneed them. they always turn up though, usually when I'm looking forsomethingelse. nobler wrote: I have a good pal that explained the "missing tool mystery", and this isthat it goes off into the 4th dimension. Go do something else, for a fewminutes, and invariably, it will have returned, when you return to the job !GMA from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 24 11:53:14 2001 f0OHrDe09265 Subject: Engraved reel seats Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from briansr@point-net.com Wed Jan 24 12:09:40 2001 f0OI9de10067 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:09:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats Hi HarryMy local store that sells trophies etc. does this.It's laser engraving andto your own design.Had some coffee mugs,and trophies done for an art showand was very impressed,so I asked them to do a maple leaf motif for somebutt ends .The expensive part is the lay upGood luck Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Engraved reel seats Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from mrmac@tcimet.net Wed Jan 24 12:53:23 2001 f0OIrMe12102 KAA14331; Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats Does the laser engraving also produce a variable depth image? It seems tomeI've heard that traditional hand engraving has a three dimensional effect tothe image. mac brian sturrock wrote: Hi HarryMy local store that sells trophies etc. does this.It's laser engraving andto your own design.Had some coffee mugs,and trophies done for an artshowand was very impressed,so I asked them to do a maple leaf motif for somebutt ends .The expensive part is the lay upGood luck Brian----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Sent: January 24, 2001 12:51 PMSubject: Engraved reel seats Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 24 13:33:57 2001 f0OJXue14616 Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats Brian,I've had a local jeweler engrave my name in butt caps, and REC will do asmany letters as you're willing to pay for. But locally there's no one to dopatterns, at least not out here in the cotton patch. Thanks,Harry brian sturrock wrote: Hi HarryMy local store that sells trophies etc. does this.It's laser engraving andto your own design.Had some coffee mugs,and trophies done for an artshowand was very impressed,so I asked them to do a maple leaf motif for somebutt ends .The expensive part is the lay upGood luck Brian----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Sent: January 24, 2001 12:51 PMSubject: Engraved reel seats Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from rvenneri@ulster.net Wed Jan 24 14:42:56 2001 f0OKgue18823 Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats Harry Boyd wrote: Brian,I've had a local jeweler engrave my name in butt caps, and REC will do asmany letters as you're willing to pay for. But locally there's no one to dopatterns, at least not out here in the cotton patch. Thanks,Harry brian sturrock wrote: Hi HarryMy local store that sells trophies etc. does this.It's laser engraving andto your own design.Had some coffee mugs,and trophies done for an artshowand was very impressed,so I asked them to do a maple leaf motif forsomebutt ends .The expensive part is the lay upGood luck Brian----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Sent: January 24, 2001 12:51 PMSubject: Engraved reel seats Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/Harry,I have a master engraver who did my logo for me. He also did some swirlpatterns for me . He is a member of the gun engravers guild. He is thebest Ive ever seen.Let me know what you have in mind and I will get aprice. Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477845 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.htm from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Wed Jan 24 14:53:57 2001 f0OKrte19508 with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:53:06 -0700 Subject: burnout This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. List...I've been on the list now for about a week. I really want to thank =everybody for availing your vast experience to this obsession of mine. = In prefacing my question I should say that I spend almost every weekday =evening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love so much to do. In =fact, do to great infatuation, my first year of rod building included very =few fishing trips. The honey moon is over now however, and my rod =building has become a smooth, steady, day-to-day compulsion. My rod = Having said this, I'm curious how other builders cope with the occasional =period of burnout?I know, the obvious answer is to go fishing and this works great for me. =But, burnout is like the shop gremlin in that it seems to strikes at =inconvenient times. If I can't go fishing or work on rods, I find myself =in a bit of a quandary. Don't you? Not a major issue, but one that I =would like to handle more effectively. Any suggestions or techniques will =be thoughtfully considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris List... In prefacing my question I should say that I spend = every weekday evening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love so = and my rod building has become a smooth, steady, day-to- daycompulsion.&nbs= Having said this, I'm = considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris from flytyr@southshore.com Wed Jan 24 15:27:12 2001 f0OLRBe21418 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:27:25 -0600 Subject: Re: burnout --------------691502BCD43C737E02480A11 Jim,Take up flytying for that in between time.That is what I am doing today.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com James Harris wrote: List...I've been on the list now for about aweek. I really want to thank everybody foravailing your vast experience to this obsessionof mine. You guys seem to be quite enamored ofyour work.In prefacing my question I should saythat I spend almost every weekday evening andweekend in the shop, doing what we all love somuch to do. In fact, do to great infatuation,my first year of rod building included very fewfishing trips. The honey moon is over nowhowever, and my rod building has become asmooth, steady, day-to-day compulsion. My rodbuilding activities must certainly mirror thoseof many list members.Having said this, I'mcurious how other builders cope with theoccasional period of burnout?I know, the obviousanswer is to go fishing and this works great forme. But, burnout is like the shop gremlin inthat it seems to strikes at inconvenient times.If I can't go fishing or work on rods, I findmyself in a bit of a quandary. Don't you? Nota major issue, but one that I would like tohandle more effectively. Any suggestions ortechniques will be thoughtfullyconsidered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris --------------691502BCD43C737E02480A11 Jim,Take up flytying for that in between time.That is what I am doing today. James Harris wrote: everybody guys seem to be quite enamored of your work.Inprefacingmy question I should say that I spend almost every weekday evening and do to great infatuation, my first year of rod building included very few activities must certainly mirror those of many list members.Havingsaid this, I'm curious how other builders cope with the occasional periodof burnout?I know, the obvious answer is to go fishing --------------691502BCD43C737E02480A11-- from fiveside@net-gate.com Wed Jan 24 15:40:58 2001 f0OLeve22182 Subject: Slow Motors To the List,Looks like Ted Knott is right as usual. I ran my can-opener motor for tenminutes with no load and it got pretty warm. Another ten might haveresultedin smoke. Looks safer to go with microwave or rotisserie motors. Bill from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Jan 24 15:46:41 2001 f0OLkee22580 2001 13:46:33 PST Subject: Re: burnout james, you could read a book or read a book to kids atthe library or volunteer at the hospital or visitshut-ins or..... timothy --- James Harris wrote:List...I've been on the list now for about a week. Ireally want to thank everybody for availing yourvast experience to this obsession of mine. You guysseem to be quite enamored of your work. In prefacing my question I should say that I spendalmost every weekday evening and weekend in theshop, doing what we all love so much to do. Infact, do to great infatuation, my first year of rodbuilding included very few fishing trips. The honeymoon is over now however, and my rod building hasbecome a smooth, steady, day-to-day compulsion. Myrod building activities must certainly mirror thoseof many list members. Having said this, I'm curious how other builderscope with the occasional period of burnout?I know, the obvious answer is to go fishing and thisworks great for me. But, burnout is like the shopgremlin in that it seems to strikes at inconvenienttimes. If I can't go fishing or work on rods, Ifind myself in a bit of a quandary. Don't you? Nota major issue, but one that I would like to handlemore effectively. Any suggestions or techniqueswill be thoughtfully considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from rsgould@cmc.net Wed Jan 24 15:47:55 2001 f0OLlse22724 Subject: Re: burnout This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0860C.40C118A0 Hi Jim,That is indeed a great question. My belief is that it helps to create =new taper designs yourself and then build a rod to that very taper and =field test it. Another technique is to build rod of various lengths such =as 5ft, 6ft, 7ft, 8ft. Then to get really different try making a spiral =rod, a square rod, a hollow rod or one with a graphite insert. These =things will all help in presenting new challenges.Ray Gould - Author: "Constructing Cane Rods....." Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:53 PMSubject: burnout List...I've been on the list now for about a week. I really want to thank =everybody for availing your vast experience to this obsession of mine. = In prefacing my question I should say that I spend almost every =weekday evening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love so much =to do. In fact, do to great infatuation, my first year of rod building =included very few fishing trips. The honey moon is over now however, =and my rod building has become a smooth, steady, day-to-day compulsion. =My rod building activities must certainly mirror those of many list = Having said this, I'm curious how other builders cope with the =occasional period of burnout?I know, the obvious answer is to go fishing and this works great for =me. But, burnout is like the shop gremlin in that it seems to strikes =at inconvenient times. If I can't go fishing or work on rods, I find =myself in a bit of a quandary. Don't you? Not a major issue, but one =that I would like to handle more effectively. Any suggestions or =techniques will be thoughtfully considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0860C.40C118A0 Hi Jim,That is indeed a great question. My = it helps to create new taper designs yourself and then build a rod to = taper and field test it. Another technique is to build rod of various = such as 5ft, 6ft, 7ft, 8ft. Then to get really different try making a = will all help in presenting new challenges.Ray Gould - Author: "Constructing Rods....." ----- Original Message ----- James Harris Sent: Wednesday, January 24, = PMSubject: burnout List... In prefacing my question I should say that I spend = every weekday evening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love = now however, and my rod building has become a smooth, steady, = Having said this, I'm = a major issue, but one that I would like to handle more = considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris teekay35@interlynx.net Wed Jan 24 16:03:09 2001 f0OM39e23983 Subject: Re: Slow Motors I have several low RPM/110 volt motors that I picked up at an electricalsurplus store for a couple of bucks. One motor is 4 rpm and I willeventually build it into a rotator for varnishing wraps. The other motoris 1 RPM and I use it with a .7854" dia. drum to withdraw the sections fromvarnish at exactly 3"/minute.----------From: Bill Fink Subject: Slow MotorsDate: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 4:38 PM To the List,Looks like Ted Knott is right as usual. I ran my can-opener motor fortenminutes with no load and it got pretty warm. Another ten might haveresultedin smoke. Looks safer to go with microwave or rotisserie motors. Bill from steve@hamiltonrods.com Wed Jan 24 16:09:21 2001 f0OM9Ke24574 Service Version 5.5.2448.0) Subject: Re: burnout I'm guessing by the tone of your post that you must be making rods formoney and not just as a hobby. The nice thing about making rods "forfree" is that if you get tired of it you can simply walk away for acouple of days/weeks/months. Assuming you're making rods for supplemental (and not primary) income,why not simply reduce the number of rods you've committed to build orincrease the waiting period? That way you have a buffer. No way is rodbuilding profitable enough to do if you're not enjoying it! --Steve ----- Original Message ----- Subject: burnout Having said this, I'm curious how other builders cope with theoccasional period of burnout? from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Wed Jan 24 16:11:56 2001 f0OMBue24874 2001 14:11:57 PST Subject: Stripping Poly I recently picked up a 3-piece rod from Ebay that wasapparently recently refinished with Polyurethane. Howdo I strip it, without delaminating it? This is not agreat rod. Cheap components and a lousy refinish job.So, when I get a chance I'm going to redo this to havea spare beater rod. Any help would be appreciated. Bill Walters __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Wed Jan 24 16:25:33 2001 f0OMPWe25929 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:24:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Stripping Poly The best stripper in this case might be sandpaper. Hey, consider this as your chance to refinish the rod with only one coat.Bob At 02:11 PM 1/24/2001 -0800, you wrote:I recently picked up a 3-piece rod from Ebay that wasapparently recently refinished with Polyurethane. Howdo I strip it, without delaminating it? This is not agreat rod. Cheap components and a lousy refinish job.So, when I get a chance I'm going to redo this to havea spare beater rod. Any help would be appreciated. Bill Walters __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Jan 24 16:26:15 2001 f0OMQEe25999 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:13:24 -0600 Subject: Re: Stripping Poly One or two applications of Citristrip works well for me. Only glue jointsthat were already bad, give any problem.GMA from zimmer@adams.net Wed Jan 24 16:30:14 2001 f0OMU9e26356 Subject: RE: Rod burnout This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C08623.EB24AAC0 or jim, you could fire up the old brew tree and build yourself a nice ="better than guiness stout "stout. It sure works for me! :) ! ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C08623.EB24AAC0 or jim, you could fire up the old brew tree and build = ! ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C08623.EB24AAC0-- from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Wed Jan 24 17:07:20 2001 f0ON7Je28529 with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:06:37 -0700 Subject: Burnout This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. Scott, Tony, Timothy, Ray, Steve, Taylor, Randy, and any others... Thank you for all the great suggestions and remarkable insite. It is good =to know I'm not the only one. Jim Scott, Tony, Timothy, Ray, Steve, Taylor, Randy, and= others... Jim from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 24 17:21:17 2001 f0ONLFe29366 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:21:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Slow Motors Ted,Are you sure about the diameter of that drum? It seems to me thatmaybeyou ought to increase or decrease its size by the square root of the cosineofthe pythagorean theorem and then do it in reverse, twice. Are you reallysurethat drum has to be exactly .7854"? And are you sure that gives youexactlythree inches per minute. Doggonit man, what would happen if it were only2.9999 inches per minute? Or 3.00001 inches per minute? I never worry too much aobut "tenths"...All typed with tongue firmly in cheek,Harry Ted Knott wrote: The other motoris 1 RPM and I use it with a .7854" dia. drum to withdraw the sections fromvarnish at exactly 3"/minute. --Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from gjm80301@yahoo.com Wed Jan 24 17:27:08 2001 f0ONR7e29764 2001 15:54:33 PST Subject: Re: Slow Motors I use a 1 RPM motor I got for $3 and put a screen door roller onthere as a spool, but is is .792674538" --- Harry Boyd wrote:Ted,Are you sure about the diameter of that drum? It seems to methat maybeyou ought to increase or decrease its size by the square root ofthe cosine ofthe pythagorean theorem and then do it in reverse, twice. Are youreally surethat drum has to be exactly .7854"? And are you sure that givesyou exactlythree inches per minute. Doggonit man, what would happen if itwere only2.9999 inches per minute? Or 3.00001 inches per minute? I never worry too much aobut "tenths"...All typed with tongue firmly in cheek,Harry Ted Knott wrote: The other motoris 1 RPM and I use it with a .7854" dia. drum to withdraw thesections fromvarnish at exactly 3"/minute. --Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from dannyt@frisurf.no Wed Jan 24 17:31:48 2001 f0ONVle00122 (MET)User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: Slow Motors Todays tips on slow motors for free:-)Visit Your local photo shop and ask if they have one of these rotatatingdisplay disc for cameras. They are out of date when new models arereleased. Your best shot is if you can find one of those old style shops. The new "onehour streamline" labs are usually so small that they trash it on their firstchance. They runs battery, and are made to run 24 hours, so they won't burn.... regardsdanny from harms1@pa.net Wed Jan 24 17:40:22 2001 f0ONeLe00516 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:40:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C08634.ABE05100 You might check in the classified sections of such specialty mags. as =Double Gun Journal or Shooting Sportsman. Here, you will find any =number of hand engravers who regularly do specialty work on guns, knives =and so on. Be forwarded, however, for high quality hand engraving is =time comsuming and costly. On the positive side, no other method of = If you were to contact me off-list, I would be happy to recommend three = cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats Brian,I've had a local jeweler engrave my name in butt caps, and REC =will do asmany letters as you're willing to pay for. But locally there's no one =to dopatterns, at least not out here in the cotton patch. Thanks,Harry brian sturrock wrote: Hi HarryMy local store that sells trophies etc. does this.It's laser =engraving andto your own design.Had some coffee mugs,and trophies done for an art =showand was very impressed,so I asked them to do a maple leaf motif for =somebutt ends .The expensive part is the lay upGood luck Brian----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Sent: January 24, 2001 12:51 PMSubject: Engraved reel seats Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C08634.ABE05100 Harry, = You might checkin = sections of such specialty mags. as Double Gun Journal or = If you were to = cheers, =Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click = Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/----- Original = From: "Harry Sent:Wednesday, = 2:32 PMSubject: Re:Engraved = seats 2001 = = ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C08634.ABE05100-- from harms1@pa.net Wed Jan 24 17:55:59 2001 f0ONtwe01162 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:55:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Stripping Poly Bill, I recently obtained excellent results on an old Payne 9-foot rod with aproduct called "Citristrip." I allowed the stripper to work no longer thanthe recommended time, and then did a second, shorter application to removethe last bits of film. Additionally, there's a wipe-down product that ismeant to be used in conjunction with the stripper, and this leaves thesurface beautifully clean. Even the old silk wrappings were clean andintact. I did not need to re-wrap. (no interest in the product or manufacturer) cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Stripping Poly I recently picked up a 3-piece rod from Ebay that wasapparently recently refinished with Polyurethane. Howdo I strip it, without delaminating it? This is not agreat rod. Cheap components and a lousy refinish job.So, when I get a chance I'm going to redo this to havea spare beater rod. Any help would be appreciated. Bill Walters __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from moran@lincoln.midcoast.com Wed Jan 24 17:56:09 2001 f0ONu9e01171 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:56:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Waterborne finishes Ron, I used Varathane interior finish to finish a rod. I wiped it on andit dried almost instantly. Buffed between coats and got a beautiful finish.I thought I had found the perfect finish. When I took the rod fishingsticky spots appeared on the rod. It turns out that my insect repellant waseating through the finish. Suggest you check a sample before you use it ona rod. Sean ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Waterborne finishes Since the list is so slow, I'm looking for opinions and/or experiencesusingthe waterborne exterior grade poly finishes. I was thinking that since the poly is a little more flexible and staysflexible over time that it wouldn't check or crack over time with rod use. Thoughts? Thanks. Ron ElderCalgary, AB _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from horsesho@ptd.net Wed Jan 24 18:32:51 2001 f0P0Woe02434 Organization: ProLog Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats Hi Harry, I know of a Frenchman living in Easton, PA.(incidetally thebirthplace of the 6 strip rod). I have seen some of the high gradeshotguns he engraved. He told me he has also done reelseats. I will lookup his phone # if interested. He is probably expensive because his worklooks it. Best, Marty Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from edriddle@mindspring.com Wed Jan 24 18:51:06 2001 f0P0p6e03018 Subject: Re: burnout This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0863F.287FCE20 Jim:Model railroading works for me (I'm retired but running on a full tank) =:>)Regards.Ed Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:53 PMSubject: burnout List...I've been on the list now for about a week. I really want to thank =everybody for availing your vast experience to this obsession of mine. = In prefacing my question I should say that I spend almost every =weekday evening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love so much =to do. In fact, do to great infatuation, my first year of rod building =included very few fishing trips. The honey moon is over now however, =and my rod building has become a smooth, steady, day-to-day compulsion. =My rod building activities must certainly mirror those of many list = Having said this, I'm curious how other builders cope with the =occasional period of burnout?I know, the obvious answer is to go fishing and this works great for =me. But, burnout is like the shop gremlin in that it seems to strikes =at inconvenient times. If I can't go fishing or work on rods, I find =myself in a bit of a quandary. Don't you? Not a major issue, but one =that I would like to handle more effectively. Any suggestions or =techniques will be thoughtfully considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0863F.287FCE20 Jim:Model railroading works for me (I'm = Regards.Ed ----- Original Message ----- James Harris Sent: Wednesday, January 24, = PMSubject: burnout List... In prefacing my question I should say that I spend = every weekday evening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love = now however, and my rod building has become a smooth, steady, = Having said this, I'm = a major issue, but one that I would like to handle more = considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0863F.287FCE20-- from cbogart@shentel.net Wed Jan 24 19:00:12 2001 f0P10Be03344 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:00:09 -0500 (5.0.2195;1) Subject: Re: burnout --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963424=_=_=_ Jim Like everything - take it in moderation. An over dose of anything willmake you sick (e.g. burnout). except maybe Ben and Jerry's. Chris ----- Original Message ----- Subject: burnout List...I've been on the list now for about a week. I really want to thank everybody to be quite enamored of your work. In prefacing my question I should say that I spend almost every weekdayevening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love so much to do. Infact, do to great infatuation, my first year of rod building included very fewfishing trips. The honey moon is over now however, and my rod building hasbecome a smooth, steady, day-to-day compulsion. My rod building activities mustcertainly mirror those of many list members. Having said this, I'm curious how other builders cope with the occasionalperiod of burnout?I know, the obvious answer is to go fishing and this works great for me. But,burnout is like the shop gremlin in that it seems to strikes at inconvenienttimes. If I can't go fishing or work on rods, I find myself in a bit of a quandary. Don't you? Not a major issue, but one that I would like to handle moreeffectively. Any suggestions or techniques will be thoughtfully considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963424=_=_=_ Jim Like everything - take it in moderation. An over dose of anything willmake you sick (e.g. burnout). except maybe Ben and Jerry's. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: James Harris Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:53 PMSubject: burnout List...I've been on the list now for about a week. I really want to thank everybody to be quite enamored of your work. In prefacing my question I should say that I spend almost every weekdayevening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love so much to do. Infact, do to great infatuation, my first year of rod building included very fewfishing trips. The honey moon is over now however, and my rod building hasbecome a smooth, steady, day-to-day compulsion. My rod building activitiesmust certainly mirror those of many list members. Having said this, I'm curious how other builders cope with the occasionalperiod of burnout?I know, the obvious answer is to go fishing and this works great for me. But,burnout is like the shop gremlin in that it seems to strikes at inconvenienttimes. If I can't go fishing or work on rods, I find myself in a bit of aquandary. Don't you? Not a major issue, but one that I would like to handlemore effectively. Any suggestions or techniques will be thoughtfullyconsidered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963424=_=_=_-- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Wed Jan 24 19:13:05 2001 f0P1D4e03919 ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:07:19 -0500 Subject: Re: burnout I find my daughter to be a good alternative. I love spending time with her, and I get a good deal of it during the week. After a day with a darling two year old, the quiet of the shop is a pleasant relief.I agree that the money aspect really does increase the burn out ratio. Building a rod for a friend is never tiring. (Unless they are a pain in the a** about when they are getting their freebee. Unfortunately, this happens).When I get tired of the rods, I will spend some time at the mill making ferrules or winding checks. Power tools seem to give a good change of pace.Best regards,BobBob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from beadman@mac.com Wed Jan 24 19:18:26 2001 f0P1IQe04192 0800 Subject: Re: Slow Motors At 5:01 PM -0500 , 1/24/01, Ted Knot wrote about Re: Slow MotorsI have several low RPM/110 volt motors that I picked up at an electricalsurplus store for a couple of bucks. One motor is 4 rpm and I willeventually build it into a rotator for varnishing wraps. The other motoris 1 RPM and I use it with a .7854" dia. drum to withdraw the sections fromvarnish at exactly 3"/minute.Ted - you might want to check your time again. To achieve exactly 3 inches of pull in one minute, the outside diameter of the rotating part needs to make one complete revolution in exactly one minute. The circumference of a circle is Pi times the diameter; or, the diameter is equal to circumference divided by Pi. In this case, that's 3/3.14159 = .9549 inches in diameter. Your .7854 diameter roller is actually moving .7854 x 3.14159 or 2.467 inches per minute. On the other hand, your .7854 is only 18% slower than you thought, which is probably close enough. Instead of taking 18 minutes to pull a 54 inch section, it takes you 22 minutes, not counting pauses for guides. In other words, my answer may be more mathematically precise, but you're the one building rods, not sitting in front of a computer and wishing, like me... A 1 rpm motor is a great find! Claude from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 24 19:38:20 2001 f0P1cJe04792 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: help me, help a newbie All,the other day I had a guy talk to me that isinterested in starting to build, just a rod or two. That Ican help him with, the other thing he needs help with isthat he inherited 3 Partridge bamboo rods. One (7 foot 4 wtcirca 1961?)has a female ferrule that is split, one(7 foot 4wt circa 196?) has male and female ferrules missing, and one(9 foot ??wt) just needs a really good refinishing. They allappear fairly slow (not particularly whippy though) Britishstyle action of so so construction, some glue lines, withaluminum hardwareThis is where I a m asking you guys for some help, theferrules look to be blackened brass(?? am I right on thisone) they are very long, especially the female one and as aguess-t-mate I would say around #13/64. Can anyone give mesome info for this guy on the ferrules or the rodsthemselves we would both appreciate it. BTW did Partridgeever impregnate any of their rods??It's great to finally have someone here in Nova Scotiato jaw with about cane!! I felt so isolated as Terry is myclosest builder (in Quebec) and I have never met him .Thanks Ted!,Shawn from Lazybee45@aol.com Wed Jan 24 19:59:50 2001 f0P1xne05500 Subject: Re: was burnishing tool/now wandering tools! I mentioned this "tools wandering away" to a friend on the occasion that I noticed that I had three razor planes, five x-acto knives ...etc...etc...etc He said, "Yeah. I find out that I am missing a tool, go out and buy a replacement and when I am done using it, I go and hang it up on the pegboard right over the one that was "missing". He thought it was merely early onset alzheimers.mark from Lazybee45@aol.com Wed Jan 24 20:34:10 2001 f0P2Y9e06257 Subject: slow motors. Hey, you guys ever hear of GEARING???? why buy a motor set up for 4 rpmwhen you can get one that is set up for much higher and gear it down? electric motors are more efficient and run cooler at higher speeds. (fans and stuff) you can run some motors continuiously for hours and hours with no problem. There are a lot of ways to accomplish this, but gears are available at all sorts of places. Hobby shops do it for RC cars and tanks, airplanes too, though the gearboxes for that are usually 3:1 or so. Edmund scientific catalog, other places too. I have never done anything like make a rod rotator, but why not look into it? I plan to. Small electric motors are CHEAP (as I am) and gearing can be cheap too if you are creative. A bonus here is that by gearing it down you increase the torque available!mark from iank@ts.co.nz Wed Jan 24 20:55:39 2001 f0P2tVe06795 Subject: Re: Slow Motors Hi guys, This is just a casual comment regarding extraction motors and trying to getthe right rate of withdrawal of a rod from the dipping tube. I use a bbqmotor but was concerned with obtaining a spool which would have the rightdiameter to give the 3-4 " per minute , and also not give a variation in theextraction speed as the spool filled up with line. I experimented a little and came up with a system which uses a section ofbrass tubing( because I had brass of the right size, any other tube or asolid rod or wooden dowel would do as well) about 12" long which is in themotor at one end and into a hole in a block of wood at the other end. Thestring winds itself along the tube when the motor is switched on and thespeed of withdrawal is constant as the diameter does not change. Varyingthe diameter of the tube will change the rate of withdrawal. This works fine for me Ian Kearney----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Slow Motors I use a 1 RPM motor I got for $3 and put a screen door roller onthere as a spool, but is is .792674538" --- Harry Boyd wrote:Ted,Are you sure about the diameter of that drum? It seems to methat maybeyou ought to increase or decrease its size by the square root ofthe cosine ofthe pythagorean theorem and then do it in reverse, twice. Are youreally surethat drum has to be exactly .7854"? And are you sure that givesyou exactlythree inches per minute. Doggonit man, what would happen if itwere only2.9999 inches per minute? Or 3.00001 inches per minute? I never worry too much aobut "tenths"...All typed with tongue firmly in cheek,Harry Ted Knott wrote: The other motoris 1 RPM and I use it with a .7854" dia. drum to withdraw thesections fromvarnish at exactly 3"/minute. --Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 24 21:24:41 2001 f0P3Oee07831 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:24:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Slow Motors Ian,I do the same thing with a 4 rpm motor and various sized mandrels held inchuck jaws. In fact, I use the same motor for both pulling rods out of the diptube and turning the rod section while finishing the wraps.Harry Ian Kearney wrote: I experimented a little and came up with a system which uses a section ofbrass tubing( because I had brass of the right size, any other tube or asolid rod or wooden dowel would do as well) Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Wed Jan 24 21:52:43 2001 f0P3qge08843 Subject: RE slow motors ANybody remember the Erector sets from when you where a Kid? Slow motor with a multi-speed gearbox to boot !Just my 2 bitsJim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from caneman@clnk.com Wed Jan 24 22:01:31 2001 f0P41Ve09257 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: burnout This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C08651.05442980 Jim,If you're doing this as a hobby/pastime and not for a living, then =just back away from it for a few weeks when you start to get burned out. =Don't let it consume you unless it's feeding you!!! Rodmaking is a =wonderful craft, but you can get burned out doing anything... so, just =walk away, and in a week or two or maybe even 10, you'll get the urge to =get back out in the shop and plane a little cane. Certainly don't let =it interfere with fishing. Rodmaking is my occupation, but I don't even =let it interfere with fishing. I've been two days this week and am =going again in the morning... Just enjoy it, don't let it dominate all =of your free time. Later,Bob -----Original Message-----From: James Harris Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:54 PMSubject: burnout List...I've been on the list now for about a week. I really want to thank =everybody for availing your vast experience to this obsession of mine. = In prefacing my question I should say that I spend almost every =weekday evening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love so much =to do. In fact, do to great infatuation, my first year of rod building =included very few fishing trips. The honey moon is over now however, =and my rod building has become a smooth, steady, day-to-day compulsion. =My rod building activities must certainly mirror those of many list = Having said this, I'm curious how other builders cope with the =occasional period of burnout?I know, the obvious answer is to go fishing and this works great for =me. But, burnout is like the shop gremlin in that it seems to strikes =at inconvenient times. If I can't go fishing or work on rods, I find =myself in a bit of a quandary. Don't you? Not a major issue, but one =that I would like to handle more effectively. Any suggestions or =techniques will be thoughtfully considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C08651.05442980 Jim, If = this as a hobby/pastime and not for a living, then just back away from = burned out doing anything... so, just walk away, and in a week or two or = even 10, you'll get the urge to get back out in the shop and plane a = days this week and am going again in the morning... Just enjoy it, don't = dominate all of your free time. Later,Bob -----Original = rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= burnoutList...I've been on the list now for about a = In prefacing my question I should say that I = every weekday evening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all = Having said this, I'm = considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C08651.05442980-- from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Jan 24 22:19:00 2001 f0P4J0e09794 2001 20:19:01 PST Subject: Re: RE slow motors nail on the head! yep yep yep! --- Jim Flinchbaugh wrote:ANybody remember the Erector sets from when youwhere a Kid? Slow motor with a multi-speed gearbox to boot !Just my 2 bitsJim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from flyfish@defnet.com Wed Jan 24 22:20:20 2001 f0P4KJe09974 Subject: Matched tips This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01C085F7.478097C0 Hi I'm New to rodmakersJust wanted to know if a maker says that tips are mirrormatched, does that mean that the snake guides are on thesame flat as the other tip? or does it just mean thatthe tips nodes are exactly alike or both?Anthony Millerflyfish@defnet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01C085F7.478097C0 Hi I'm New torodmakersJust wanted to know if a maker says = mirrormatched, does that mean that thesnake = on thesame flat as the other tip? or does it = that both?Anthony Millerflyfish@defnet.comwww.homestead.com/= ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01C085F7.478097C0-- from channer1@rmi.net Wed Jan 24 22:27:18 2001 f0P4RHe10242 2001 21:27:18 -0700 Subject: Re: burnout Jim,That's an easy one, all you have to do is turn on the television, watchanything for 2 minutes and I guarantee you will be back in the shop.John from dpeaston@wzrd.com Wed Jan 24 22:53:28 2001 f0P4rRe11148 Subject: Re: RE slow motors Another good source of slow motors and all kinds of interesting gizmos isthe Edmund Scientific Co in Barrington NJ.Their URL ishttp://www.edmundscientific.com/Products/Search.cfm?query=motors Motors,gear boxes etc. and cheap!The usual disclaimers yada ... -Doug At 08:47 PM 1/24/01 -0700, Jim Flinchbaugh wrote: ANybody remember the Erector sets from when you where a Kid? Slow motor with a multi-speed gearbox to boot !Just my 2 bitsJim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from bh887@lafn.org Wed Jan 24 23:15:18 2001 f0P5FGe11725 forged)) Subject: Re: Slow Motors I am fairly sure this message violates some code or other of this list, ButI have watched with interest the thread on slow motors and thought I mightbe able to help some of you out. I have a quantity (limited) of 1 rpm, 110clock motors which are available for sale. Antone interested please contactme off line. I apologize if I have done this wrong. Lee----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Slow Motors Todays tips on slow motors for free:-)Visit Your local photo shop and ask if they have one of these rotatatingdisplay disc for cameras. They are out of date when new models arereleased. Your best shot is if you can find one of those old style shops. The new"onehour streamline" labs are usually so small that they trash it on theirfirstchance. They runs battery, and are made to run 24 hours, so they won't burn.... regardsdanny from saweiss@flash.net Wed Jan 24 23:30:18 2001 f0P5UHe12164 Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats Harry, Check with your local gunsmiths to see if they can recommend anengraver.Steve Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from saweiss@flash.net Wed Jan 24 23:38:51 2001 f0P5coe12463 Subject: Re: burnout This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C08656.6ED77FA0 What I do is busy myself for a few days with other shop projects, such =as making new shop fixtures, doing some woodwork, or making a toy for =my granddaughter.Another thing is to tie flys.Something I try to not do too often is to get some books out of the =library and go on a reading binge. When I do that, I'm not much good for =anything else until I finish the books.When I get back to my rodmaking it's again fresh and releasing.SteveI've been on the list now for about a week. I really want to thank =everybody for availing your vast experience to this obsession of mine. = In prefacing my question I should say that I spend almost every =weekday evening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love so much =to do. In fact, do to great infatuation, my first year of rod building =included very few fishing trips. The honey moon is over now however, =and my rod building has become a smooth, steady, day-to-day compulsion. =My rod building activities must certainly mirror those of many list = Having said this, I'm curious how other builders cope with the =occasional period of burnout?I know, the obvious answer is to go fishing and this works great for =me. But, burnout is like the shop gremlin in that it seems to strikes =at inconvenient times. If I can't go fishing or work on rods, I find =myself in a bit of a quandary. Don't you? Not a major issue, but one =that I would like to handle more effectively. Any suggestions or =techniques will be thoughtfully considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C08656.6ED77FA0 What I do is busy myself for a few days with other = a toy for my granddaughter.Another thing is to tie flys.Something I try to not do too often is to get some = of the library and go on a reading binge. When I do that, I'm not much = anything else until I finish the books.When I get back to my rodmaking it's again fresh and= releasing.Steve In prefacing my question I should say that I spend = every weekday evening and weekend in the shop, doing what we all love = now however, and my rod building has become a smooth, steady, = Having said this, I'm = a major issue, but one that I would like to handle more = considered. Thanks again ... Jim Harris ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C08656.6ED77FA0-- from jkcerise@rof.net Wed Jan 24 23:44:23 2001 f0P5iMe12738 Subject: slow motors Try the motor from an old heating system zone valve-- 6 RPM @ 24 Volts AC- tons of transformers out there for about ten bucks! Will turn rods perfectly for finishing! Cheap too, call your plumber, after that last service charge he nailed you with, he owes you SOMETHING!!! John from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Jan 24 23:55:05 2001 f0P5t4e13220 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:42:32 -0600 , Subject: Re: Waterborne finishes The best easy, quick finish I've found is Min-Wax Outdoor poly urethane. Itdries dust free fairly fast, sands of buffs easily, plus about anythingelse. I spray can finished some older refinishing jobs last summer, thatturned out very well.GMA from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 25 01:41:09 2001 f0P7f8e15459 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:41:07 +0800 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:41:05 +0800 Subject: Re: Slow Motors Sounds a good way to do it Ian. I wonder how winding the line once aroundthe tube and hanging a weight from the end of the line would go? That wayas the line reels in it's not winding on the tube but lowering the weightsort of like the weights of a pendulum clock movement. I'm in the processof making a climate control area for dipping and this is what I had in mind Tony At 03:45 PM 1/25/01 +1300, Ian Kearney wrote:Hi guys, This is just a casual comment regarding extraction motors and trying togetthe right rate of withdrawal of a rod from the dipping tube. I use a bbqmotor but was concerned with obtaining a spool which would have the rightdiameter to give the 3-4 " per minute , and also not give a variation in theextraction speed as the spool filled up with line. I experimented a little and came up with a system which uses a section ofbrass tubing( because I had brass of the right size, any other tube or asolid rod or wooden dowel would do as well) about 12" long which is in themotor at one end and into a hole in a block of wood at the other end. Thestring winds itself along the tube when the motor is switched on and thespeed of withdrawal is constant as the diameter does not change. Varyingthe diameter of the tube will change the rate of withdrawal. This works fine for me Ian Kearney----- Original Message -----From: "Jerry Madigan" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:54 PMSubject: Re: Slow Motors I use a 1 RPM motor I got for $3 and put a screen door roller onthere as a spool, but is is .792674538" --- Harry Boyd wrote:Ted,Are you sure about the diameter of that drum? It seems to methat maybeyou ought to increase or decrease its size by the square root ofthe cosine ofthe pythagorean theorem and then do it in reverse, twice. Are youreally surethat drum has to be exactly .7854"? And are you sure that givesyou exactlythree inches per minute. Doggonit man, what would happen if itwere only2.9999 inches per minute? Or 3.00001 inches per minute? I never worry too much aobut "tenths"...All typed with tongue firmly in cheek,Harry Ted Knott wrote: The other motoris 1 RPM and I use it with a .7854" dia. drum to withdraw thesections fromvarnish at exactly 3"/minute. --Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from ajthramer@hotmail.com Thu Jan 25 01:46:27 2001 f0P7kRe15721 Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:46:23 -0800 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:46:22 GMT Subject: Burnout FILETIME=[E9D77790:01C086A2] A most inconvenient thing to happen if you are a full time rodbuilder, but it does happen, I have seen it alot at the approximately 20 rod mark. When it struck me in the 1980's I went on an RC airplane building binge. about 65 airplanes in 5 years. A couple of you know to what level of insanity I had fallen(still?). My solutions: Go fishing, even in winter, rivers blownout, snow doesn't seem to make much difference. Just a reminder why I still love to build these things. A trip to the skeet range is always a stress reliever. I'm not very good and I know it so I refrain from the ultra competitive stuff. Trap doesn't work as well. Plan a bird hunt/fishing trip, then make yourself go. Invite a friend, then you can't convince yourself you need to catch up. One thing I have figured out is that you are NEVER caught up if you build cane. Build a single rod that is the exact opposite of what you normally build.Then donate it to a conservation group. Or trade with another builder, They will appreciate it. Turn on Jerry Springer(he's ALWAYS on some station or another) You just can't feel worthless or screwed up when you watch Jerry's guests. Someone already mentioned that 2 minutes seems to be the right dosage. Call up another rodbuilder and gab a while. Don't try this with 'normal' people! I like to sit in my vegetable garden with a beer and a book(seasonal). Take the bird dog to the woods and let him run, shotgun optional. Doesn't have to be the deep woods either, a park, an open space. Love to watch the spaniel sniff around and watch his ears flop. You can be having the worst day in the world but your dog loves you and thinks you are a king. Burnout happens to all of us at times and I don't think I do my best work A.J.Thramer _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 25 02:00:34 2001 f0P80Xe16195 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:00:33 +0800 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:00:31 +0800 Subject: Re: Burnout I'll just add two things here.Kick a football around with a kid for a while or if you're basicaly burntout with rods but not necessarily hand tools make a violin or somethingcompletely different.Luckily I have no fear of burnout with rods and all that. I'm so up to myneck in other things on a permanant basis I think standing at my lathe orbench is a holiday.If you're really a sucker for punishment buy a wooden yacht. Youll neverburn out on rods then because you wont get the chance :-) Tony At 07:46 AM 1/25/01 +0000, Allen Thramer wrote:A most inconvenient thing to happen if you are a full time rodbuilder, but it does happen, I have seen it alot at the approximately 20 rod mark. When it struck me in the 1980's I went on an RC airplane building binge. about 65 airplanes in 5 years. A couple of you know to what level of insanity I had fallen(still?). My solutions: Go fishing, even in winter, rivers blownout, snow doesn't seem to makemuch difference. Just a reminder why I still love to build these things. A trip to the skeet range is always a stress reliever. I'm not very good and I know it so I refrain from the ultra competitive stuff. Trap doesn't work as well. Plan a bird hunt/fishing trip, then make yourself go. Invite a friend, then you can't convince yourself you need to catch up. One thing I have figured out is that you are NEVER caught up if you build cane. Build a single rod that is the exact opposite of what you normally build.Then donate it to a conservation group. Or trade with another builder, They will appreciate it. Turn on Jerry Springer(he's ALWAYS on some station or another) You just can't feel worthless or screwed up when you watch Jerry's guests.Someone already mentioned that 2 minutes seems to be the right dosage. Call up another rodbuilder and gab a while. Don't try this with 'normal' people! I like to sit in my vegetable garden with a beer and a book(seasonal). Take the bird dog to the woods and let him run, shotgun optional. Doesn't have to be the deep woods either, a park, an open space. Love to watch the spaniel sniff around and watch his ears flop. You can be having the worst day in the world but your dog loves you and thinks you are a king. Burnout happens to all of us at times and I don't think I do my best work A.J.Thramer _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 25 02:36:52 2001 f0P8aoe16816 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:36:50 +0800 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:36:49 +0800 Subject: Re: was burnishing tool/now wandering tools! According to "The Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy" all this stuff winds upin worm holes in space. Sounds a bit cosmic but it does explain a lot. :-) Tony At 08:50 PM 1/24/01 -0500, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote:I mentioned this "tools wandering away" to a friend on the occasion that I noticed that I had three razor planes, five x-acto knives...etc...etc...etc He said, "Yeah. I find out that I am missing a tool, go out and buy a replacement and when I am done using it, I go and hang it up on thepegboard right over the one that was "missing". He thought it was merely earlyonset alzheimers.mark /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Jan 25 06:18:58 2001 f0PCIue18975 f0PCIo653970; Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats Organization: vet Bob A subject about which I have some strongly-held opinions. "Engraving" meanscut by hand with a graving tool. That doesn't vary with the kind of job. Ifyour business cards are "engraved", they are printed on a block that wasproduced by that method. If your shotgun receiver is engraved, ditto! Ifyour shotgun has elaborate patterns which were produced by laser, thentheymay be very pretty, but they are not "engraved". My daughter has a pocket knife which I had engraved by a firearms engraver ago.I saw it recently when she returned home from East Timor, and it looksfantastic. My 1926 Stephen Grant sidelock shotgun has traditional English"Rose & Scroll" engraved (and signed) by one Thos. Peters, and it justknocks all of those ersatz models into a cocked hat. I have an AYA Model 1 sidelock also, with beautiful figured sideplates; itlooks nice, and I'm proud of it, but it's not engraved. It wishes and itwishes, but it ain't engraving! I believe that gun engravers and silversmiths are the last surviving vestigeof the once great and sweeping art of engraving; support your localartisan, but when he produces a power-driven burr, or a laser, go away andsupport someone else! It will all pan out in the long run! Stay healthy Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats Harry Boyd wrote: Brian,I've had a local jeweler engrave my name in butt caps, and REC willdo asmany letters as you're willing to pay for. But locally there's no oneto dopatterns, at least not out here in the cotton patch. Thanks,Harry brian sturrock wrote: Hi HarryMy local store that sells trophies etc. does this.It's laser engravingandto your own design.Had some coffee mugs,and trophies done for an artshowand was very impressed,so I asked them to do a maple leaf motif forsomebutt ends .The expensive part is the lay upGood luck Brian----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Sent: January 24, 2001 12:51 PMSubject: Engraved reel seats Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/Harry,I have a master engraver who did my logo for me. He also did some swirlpatterns for me . He is a member of the gun engravers guild. He is thebest Ive ever seen.Let me know what you have in mind and I will get aprice. Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477845 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.htm from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Jan 25 06:22:27 2001 f0PCMPe19135 f0PCMJ654139; Subject: Re: burnout Organization: vet Steve Dead right. Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: burnout I'm guessing by the tone of your post that you must be making rods formoney and not just as a hobby. The nice thing about making rods "forfree" is that if you get tired of it you can simply walk away for acouple of days/weeks/months. Assuming you're making rods for supplemental (and not primary) income,why not simply reduce the number of rods you've committed to build orincrease the waiting period? That way you have a buffer. No way is rodbuilding profitable enough to do if you're not enjoying it! --Steve ----- Original Message -----From: James Harris Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:53 PMSubject: burnout Having said this, I'm curious how other builders cope with theoccasional period of burnout? from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Jan 25 06:32:06 2001 f0PCW5e19454 f0PCW0654676; Subject: Re: help me, help a newbie Organization: vet Sometimes you get lucky! Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: help me, help a newbie All,the other day I had a guy talk to me that isinterested in starting to build, just a rod or two. That Ican help him with, the other thing he needs help with isthat he inherited 3 Partridge bamboo rods. One (7 foot 4 wtcirca 1961?)has a female ferrule that is split, one(7 foot 4wt circa 196?) has male and female ferrules missing, and one(9 foot ??wt) just needs a really good refinishing. They allappear fairly slow (not particularly whippy though) Britishstyle action of so so construction, some glue lines, withaluminum hardwareThis is where I a m asking you guys for some help, theferrules look to be blackened brass(?? am I right on thisone) they are very long, especially the female one and as aguess-t-mate I would say around #13/64. Can anyone give mesome info for this guy on the ferrules or the rodsthemselves we would both appreciate it. BTW did Partridgeever impregnate any of their rods??It's great to finally have someone here in Nova Scotiato jaw with about cane!! I felt so isolated as Terry is myclosest builder (in Quebec) and I have never met him .Thanks Ted!,Shawn from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Thu Jan 25 07:17:56 2001 f0PDHue20077 HAA09975 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 Subject: More wandering tools Pegboard is no solution. Tools can also transmute themselves. My rack of screwdrivers holds 10, either phillips or slotted, but never both.Its most maddening.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot- warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. from Lazybee45@aol.com Thu Jan 25 07:25:28 2001 f0PDPRe20344 Subject: Re: More wandering tools In a message dated 1/25/01 7:18:30 AM Central Standard Time, stetzer@csd.uwm.edu writes: NOw WHY is this? I have several sets (see earlier posts!) of tiny screwdrivers that come with 5 or 6 different bits, graduated sizes of straight blade and at least three sizes of phillips. WHY is it that the ONE that I can find when I want to insert servos in a model airplane (uses tiny phillips head screws) has NO phillips screwdrivers in the box, but when I open the SAME box a few hours later to tighten the screws in my glasses, it contains ONLY phillips heads! I had a friend once who explained this another way. Beer can openers and cigarette lighters are the larval form of coathangars. (Ok so this was a while back!) You can NEVER find a Beer can opener when you need one, butopen a closet that was empty when you locked it up and you will find hundreds of wire coathangars. mark from nobler@satx.rr.com Thu Jan 25 09:17:35 2001 f0PFHYe24465 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:04:26 -0600 Subject: burn out Speaking from long experience, if you do get this malady, spend somemeaningful time with family or friends. By this, I mean don't be thinkingabout that next taper, etc., but concentrate on what the other(s) areinterested in, and really "be there" for them ! This is also a good way to save a marriage ! GMA from CALucker@aol.com Thu Jan 25 12:12:06 2001 f0PIC5e04485 Subject: Re: slow motors. I use a 1/4 hp motor with a 900 : 1 gear reducer that I found at a coffee shop. It was used to rotate the pie by the cash register. With this setup I can lift the motor out of my car if I wanted to. I withdraw at 1.2 inches per minute. Chris Lucker from rambo2_98@yahoo.com Thu Jan 25 12:22:35 2001 f0PIMYe05353 2001 10:22:35 PST Subject: back issues of Bamboo Fly Rod magazine for sale Anyone interested in the following back issues ofBamboo Fly Rod magazine, please contact me off-list: vol 1 no. 1 Premier Issue Jan-Feb 1998vol 1 no. 2vol 1 no. 3vol 1 no. 4vol 1 no. 5/6 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Thu Jan 25 13:43:45 2001 f0PJhge09407 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:43:26 -0800 Subject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair f0PJhie09411 Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns could youuse it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying? Can itjust be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris from ewp42@yahoo.com Thu Jan 25 14:11:19 2001 f0PKBIe10667 2001 12:11:19 PST Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Black bear hair is a standard winging material for hairwing salmonflies. The skins also provide some fairly decent brown/black dubbing. As far as prepping it, the standard advice is to scrape it verythoroughly to get rid of all the fat and flesh, then air dry it. I'lladd that I am not an expert on curing fresh hide, and I recommendplacing your question on the fly tying board at www.flyshop.com where anumber of experts will be available to answer your question. You mightalso check the archives for that board, as this question arises withregularity. Eric __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from pmgoodwin@earthlink.net Thu Jan 25 14:28:47 2001 f0PKSke11581 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair A relatively obscure classic Atlantic salmon pattern uses it: http://www.salmonanglersonline.com/tyersbench/blackbear.htmlhttp://www.traflyfish.com/tying/steelhead/blackbeargreenbutt.htmhttp://members.aol.com/penobff/hwbear.htmhttp://www.quebectel.com/saumonquebec/anglais/mouch16.htmhttp://user.fundy.net/fly- man/j98.htmhttp://www.wwdoak.com/flies/hairwing1.htm Paul ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns couldyou use it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying?Can it just be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris from tonkin@xtn.net Thu Jan 25 14:36:31 2001 f0PKaUe11977 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:36:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Rub the skin down with Epson salts after you scrape it clean. Do thisbefore it dries out and it will keep. Eric Peper wrote: Black bear hair is a standard winging material for hairwing salmonflies. The skins also provide some fairly decent brown/black dubbing.As far as prepping it, the standard advice is to scrape it verythoroughly to get rid of all the fat and flesh, then air dry it. I'lladd that I am not an expert on curing fresh hide, and I recommendplacing your question on the fly tying board at www.flyshop.com where anumber of experts will be available to answer your question. You mightalso check the archives for that board, as this question arises withregularity. Eric __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Thu Jan 25 14:43:02 2001 f0PKh1e12318 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:42:57 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: help me, help a newbie I assume you mean about Terry???Shawn petermckean wrote: Sometimes you get lucky! Peter from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Thu Jan 25 14:48:43 2001 f0PKmge12599 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:48:35 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Chris,one of the most famous Atlantic Salmon flies uses bear, The BlackBear Green Butt.Shawn Christopher McDowell wrote: Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns could youuse it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying? Can itjust be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Thu Jan 25 14:51:52 2001 f0PKpqe12860 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:51:44 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair OBSCURE????? Not here in the Maritimes of Canada. Shawn Paul Goodwin wrote: A relatively obscure classic Atlantic salmon pattern uses it: http://www.salmonanglersonline.com/tyersbench/blackbear.htmlhttp://www.traflyfish.com/tying/steelhead/blackbeargreenbutt.htmhttp://members.aol.com/penobff/hwbear.htmhttp://www.quebectel.com/saumonquebec/anglais/mouch16.htmhttp://user.fundy.net/fly- man/j98.htmhttp://www.wwdoak.com/flies/hairwing1.htm Paul ----- Original Message -----From: "Christopher McDowell" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:43 PMSubject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns couldyou use it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying?Can it just be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris from rvenneri@ulster.net Thu Jan 25 14:53:30 2001 f0PKrTe13044 Subject: Re: Engraved reel seatsReferences: petermckean wrote: Bob A subject about which I have some strongly-held opinions. "Engraving"meanscut by hand with a graving tool. That doesn't vary with the kind of job. Ifyour business cards are "engraved", they are printed on a block that wasproduced by that method. If your shotgun receiver is engraved, ditto! Ifyour shotgun has elaborate patterns which were produced by laser, thentheymay be very pretty, but they are not "engraved". My daughter has a pocket knife which I had engraved by a firearmsengraver ago.I saw it recently when she returned home from East Timor, and it looksfantastic. My 1926 Stephen Grant sidelock shotgun has traditional English"Rose & Scroll" engraved (and signed) by one Thos. Peters, and it justknocks all of those ersatz models into a cocked hat. I have an AYA Model 1 sidelock also, with beautiful figured sideplates; itlooks nice, and I'm proud of it, but it's not engraved. It wishes and itwishes, but it ain't engraving! I believe that gun engravers and silversmiths are the last surviving vestigeof the once great and sweeping art of engraving; support your localartisan, but when he produces a power-driven burr, or a laser, go away andsupport someone else! It will all pan out in the long run! Stay healthy Peter----- Original Message -----From: "Robert Venneri" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:42 AMSubject: Re: Engraved reel seats Harry Boyd wrote: Brian,I've had a local jeweler engrave my name in butt caps, and REC willdo asmany letters as you're willing to pay for. But locally there's no oneto dopatterns, at least not out here in the cotton patch. Thanks,Harry brian sturrock wrote: Hi HarryMy local store that sells trophies etc. does this.It's laser engravingandto your own design.Had some coffee mugs,and trophies done for anartshowand was very impressed,so I asked them to do a maple leaf motif forsomebutt ends .The expensive part is the lay upGood luck Brian----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Sent: January 24, 2001 12:51 PMSubject: Engraved reel seats Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/Harry,I have a master engraver who did my logo for me. He also did some swirlpatterns for me . He is a member of the gun engravers guild. He is thebest Ive ever seen.Let me know what you have in mind and I will get aprice. Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477845 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.htm Peter, I do have some work done by a person who uses a burr in a machine.I callthis engraving when in fact it should be called something else. It looksnice. The actual engraving I have done for people to build presentationrods is done by an engraver. He scratches it out by hand. It is amazingwhat he can do.The engraving is much more money than what I charge forthe engraving on my web site. The 3 letters are done by a machine. I canhave my "Engraver" do it but it would be expensive. Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477845 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.html from stuart.rod@gmx.de Thu Jan 25 15:36:25 2001 f0PLaOe15406 Subject: Re: slow motors. I beg your pardon..... Stuart CALucker@aol.com wrote: ".....I withdraw at 1.2 inches per minute." Chris Lucker from JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Thu Jan 25 16:46:45 2001 f0PMkje18901 ;Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:46:40 +0000 Subject: Re: back issues of Bamboo Fly Rod magazine for sale You must have been a personal friend of someone at The Bamboo RodMagazineto get that many issues. Jack----- Original Message ----- Subject: back issues of Bamboo Fly Rod magazine for sale Anyone interested in the following back issues ofBamboo Fly Rod magazine, please contact me off-list: vol 1 no. 1 Premier Issue Jan-Feb 1998vol 1 no. 2vol 1 no. 3vol 1 no. 4vol 1 no. 5/6 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from rsgould@cmc.net Thu Jan 25 17:11:55 2001 f0PNBse19897 Subject: Re: back issues of Bamboo Fly Rod magazine for sale Hi Jacques and Jeff,I don't know about that Jacques, I also have those same volumes and in facthave two copies of nos. 1 &2.Ray----- Original Message --- -- Subject: Re: back issues of Bamboo Fly Rod magazine for sale You must have been a personal friend of someone at The Bamboo RodMagazineto get that many issues. Jack----- Original Message -----From: "Jeff Rambo" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:22 PMSubject: back issues of Bamboo Fly Rod magazine for sale Anyone interested in the following back issues ofBamboo Fly Rod magazine, please contact me off-list: vol 1 no. 1 Premier Issue Jan-Feb 1998vol 1 no. 2vol 1 no. 3vol 1 no. 4vol 1 no. 5/6 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from rambo2_98@yahoo.com Thu Jan 25 17:20:30 2001 f0PNKTe20274 2001 15:20:30 PST Subject: Re: back issues of Bamboo Fly Rod magazine for sale I was an early subscriber and bought the back issues Ididn't have when I subscribed (almost 2 years ago). Ino longer build rods as a hobby and the issues aresitting around collecting dust. I thought someonemight want the back issues, particularly if the issuescannot be had anymore (I am not sure about this). Iwas told that the first issue is no longer in print. I actually don't know a soul at The Bamboo RodMagazine. --- Ray Gould wrote:Hi Jacques and Jeff,I don't know about that Jacques, I also have thosesame volumes and in facthave two copies of nos. 1 &2.Ray--- -- Original Message -----From: "Jacques Follweiler" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:46 PMSubject: Re: back issues of Bamboo Fly Rod magazine You must have been a personal friend of someone atThe Bamboo Rod Magazineto get that many issues. Jack----- Original Message -----From: "Jeff Rambo" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:22 PMSubject: back issues of Bamboo Fly Rod magazine Anyone interested in the following back issuesofBamboo Fly Rod magazine, please contact meoff-list: vol 1 no. 1 Premier Issue Jan-Feb 1998vol 1 no. 2vol 1 no. 3vol 1 no. 4vol 1 no. 5/6 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want atgreat prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from Grhghlndr@aol.com Thu Jan 25 20:29:06 2001 f0Q2T5e25839 Subject: Re: back issues of Bamboo Fly Rod magazine for sale I actually got all my issues and got dbls of some and I also have two Bamboo Flyrod hats.Bret from caneman@clnk.com Thu Jan 25 21:28:29 2001 f0Q3SSe27085 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Chris... Are you the one that stole my pet bear? My wolf misses him.Please return his nose so the wolf pup can nuzzle to him...Seriously, never have thought about black bear hair, but the stifffibers might make good replacements for moose mane for tail fibers andantennae. Later,BobPS: Waiting to hear where you got black bear hair???? -----Original Message----- Subject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns could youuse it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying? Canit just be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris from Kengorific@aol.com Thu Jan 25 22:22:27 2001 f0Q4MRe28905 Subject: finger joint for nodeless construction Hi all, thanks for all the great info. New to the listserver and new to cane rod building , but with this extensive resource I am learning fast. Question... has anyone tried using a woodworkers finger joint router or shaper bit to make splices for nodeless construction? The theory seems sound, but I wonder if the dimensions of the 'fingers' are too large to be an advantage in the small dia. tip section? from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 25 22:52:30 2001 f0Q4qTe29623 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:52:21 -0800 Subject: Re: finger joint for nodeless construction Hi ??,I'm not a nodeless sort of fellow, but I can't imagine cutting anything sothin with power tools. I suspect it would break all to pieces, tips -- butts,whatever. Harry Boyd Kengorific@aol.com wrote: Question... has anyone tried using a woodworkers finger joint router orshaper bit to make splices for nodeless construction? The theory seemssound, but I wonder if the dimensions of the 'fingers' are too large to be anadvantage in the small dia. tip section? --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."-- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods --http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from saweiss@flash.net Thu Jan 25 23:28:09 2001 f0Q5S8e00379 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Black bear hair is used in some old streamer patterns. Just cut it and useit. It's shiny and slippery, but it does work.Steve Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns couldyou use it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying?Can it just be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris from shane_person@telus.net Fri Jan 26 00:19:34 2001 f0Q6JXe01462 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:19:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Taper Request Hi List:I am new to the list and have only built plastic rods and refinished a couple of cane rods so I didn't think I would have anything tocontribute a cane trolling rod/pool cue at a flea market for the princely sum ofonebuck. I figured it would make a good refinishing project but never gotaround to it. The tip guide is missing, most of the guides were duct-taped on and the ferrule looks like someone tried to get it apart withvice-grips. I filed off the ferrules, cleaned off the duct tape residue and strippedoff what was left of the varnish and measured it as follows: Length: 7' 8"; Tip: 40.75"; Butt 39.25"Guide spacing: Tip, 7.25", 16.125", 28", 47.75"The following are the average of the three sets of flats, no varnish00 turned to 0.195 for 0.75"01 0.20605 0.22910 0.25015 0.27620 0.29225 0.32130 0.34835 0.39438 0.40638.75 - 40.75: turned to 0.38240.75 - 42.25: turned to 0.40642.5 0.41545 0.42650 0.43755 0.45960 0.47762 0.49062.625 - 67.375: cork fore grip67.375 - 72.125: uplocking reelseat72.125 - 80: cork butt grip Hope this helpsShane Person RON ELDER wrote: I have an odd request, so please don't jump all over me on this one. I havea father-in-law who is an avid fisherman. I gave him one of my earlyflyrods (perfectionist) and he absolutely loves it. He has since hinted atme to make another rod one for him. Now the odd part! He wants me to make a bamboo trolling rod for him (he wants to be theonlyboat in the Kootenays of BC to use one). Does anybody have a taper for atrolling rod that could handle rainbows up to 18lbs? He intends to bucktailand run 3-4 inch plugs with this rod. I want to make this rod and presentit to him for his 65th birthday this Sept. Any help would be greatlyappreciated and you can respond off list if this doesn't fit the topic ofthe list. Thanks,.....ron Ron ElderCalgary, ABrgelder@troutchaser.com _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from petermckean@netspace.net.au Fri Jan 26 03:31:27 2001 f0Q9VPe03492 f0Q9VI603637; Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats Organization: vet Yes, Bob I agree that some of the stuff produced by modern methods looks reallygood - perhaps some of it is actually better than that done with a graver. So I guess that I am actually arguing semantics again; but the old craftsare so lovely, and the old skills are dying so fast, that I feel that weought to support the true craftsmen whenever we can. I take your point about the cost - it is often prohibitive in a job whereprice is critical. But don't you find that sometimes the price doesn'tmatter, or that the job is so small that even an unrealistic price can bepaid without pain. The work produced by these engravers is almost unbelievably beautiful. Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Engraved reel seats petermckean wrote: Bob A subject about which I have some strongly-held opinions. "Engraving"meanscut by hand with a graving tool. That doesn't vary with the kind of job.Ifyour business cards are "engraved", they are printed on a block that wasproduced by that method. If your shotgun receiver is engraved, ditto! Ifyour shotgun has elaborate patterns which were produced by laser, thentheymay be very pretty, but they are not "engraved". My daughter has a pocket knife which I had engraved by a firearmsengraver yearsago.I saw it recently when she returned home from East Timor, and it looksfantastic. My 1926 Stephen Grant sidelock shotgun has traditionalEnglish"Rose & Scroll" engraved (and signed) by one Thos. Peters, and it justknocks all of those ersatz models into a cocked hat. I have an AYA Model 1 sidelock also, with beautiful figured sideplates;itlooks nice, and I'm proud of it, but it's not engraved. It wishes anditwishes, but it ain't engraving! I believe that gun engravers and silversmiths are the last survivingvestigeof the once great and sweeping art of engraving; support your localartisan, but when he produces a power-driven burr, or a laser, go awayandsupport someone else! It will all pan out in the long run! Stay healthy Peter----- Original Message -----From: "Robert Venneri" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:42 AMSubject: Re: Engraved reel seats Harry Boyd wrote: Brian,I've had a local jeweler engrave my name in butt caps, and RECwilldo asmany letters as you're willing to pay for. But locally there's nooneto dopatterns, at least not out here in the cotton patch. Thanks,Harry brian sturrock wrote: Hi HarryMy local store that sells trophies etc. does this.It's laserengravingandto your own design.Had some coffee mugs,and trophies done for anartshowand was very impressed,so I asked them to do a maple leaf motifforsomebutt ends .The expensive part is the lay upGood luck Brian----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Sent: January 24, 2001 12:51 PMSubject: Engraved reel seats Friends,I'm looking for a few engraved reel seats forsuper-fancy rods. Not the lazer engraved with my name stuffthat I get from REC, but some oak leaf patterns, or fleur delis patterns, like I see on T&T Presentation Grade rods. I've contacted one list member who does great work ofthis kind. I'll probably go with his stuff. I'm justwondering if any of you know what other sources there mightbe for this kind of work. Thanks in advance,Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/Harry,I have a master engraver who did my logo for me. He also did someswirlpatterns for me . He is a member of the gun engravers guild. He is thebest Ive ever seen.Let me know what you have in mind and I will get aprice. Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477845 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.htm Peter,I do have some work done by a person who uses a burr in a machine.I callthis engraving when in fact it should be called something else. It looksnice. The actual engraving I have done for people to build presentationrods is done by an engraver. He scratches it out by hand. It is amazingwhat he can do.The engraving is much more money than what I charge forthe engraving on my web site. The 3 letters are done by a machine. I canhave my "Engraver" do it but it would be expensive. Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477845 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.html from mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com Fri Jan 26 05:31:11 2001 f0QBVAe04541 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair f0QBVBe04542 A lot of bear has wonderful, soft fibers that make great wings. I've gotloads of it- of course I'm up here in Maine where there are more of them andmoose than people. I also have a skin from a light colored bear that has beenbleached by the sun to a honey color- off to the dye bath!!!!!!!!Try befriending your local taxidermist. I usually trade flies or other fishingstuff for boxes and boxes of scraps. It is amazing what they have and wouldonly throw away!!!! John K.----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Chris... Are you the one that stole my pet bear? My wolf misses him.Please return his nose so the wolf pup can nuzzle to him...Seriously, never have thought about black bear hair, but the stifffibers might make good replacements for moose mane for tail fibers andantennae. Later,BobPS: Waiting to hear where you got black bear hair???? -----Original Message-----From: Christopher McDowell Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:44 PMSubject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns could youuse it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying? Canit just be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Fri Jan 26 05:48:45 2001 f0QBmXe04822 (62.188.15.40) Subject: Re: BurnOut This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C0878D.FC6E4F00 I thought you may be interested in a couple of 'English' solutions: Put the kettle on. There's now't like a good old cuppa (Tea), works =wonders Retire t'pub- a few pints of real Ale and you can put the world to =rights ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C0878D.FC6E4F00 I thought you may be interested in a couple of = solutions: Put the kettle on. There's now't like a good old = works wonders Retire t'pub- a few pints of real Ale and you can = world to rights ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C0878D.FC6E4F00-- from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Fri Jan 26 07:52:19 2001 f0QDq9e06212 (62.188.28.225) Subject: Wandering Tools I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which have alreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools 'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in the washingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than the above, andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; 'Have yougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts; bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other large objects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quite amazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to be fullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Fri Jan 26 08:06:06 2001 f0QE65e06619 (62.188.28.225) Subject: Measurement This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C087A1.464B5380 Down to some rod building.All my measuring equipment is in either 1/64' or 1/128' and all the =tapers I have are in thou's. Does anybody know of a formula and/or =programme to do these conversions as my maths brain cells can't remember=how this is done. ta. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C087A1.464B5380 Down to some rod building.All my measuring equipment is in either 1/64' or = all the tapers I have are in thou's. Does anybody know of a formula = programme to do these conversions as my maths brain cells can't remember= this is done. ta. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom ofNorthumbria ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C087A1.464B5380-- from petermckean@netspace.net.au Fri Jan 26 08:08:27 2001 f0QE8Pe06781 f0QE86613980; Subject: Re: Virus alert Organization: vet Whew! Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Virus alert In a message dated 1/23/2001 1:23:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,petermckean@netspace.net.au writes: What do you mean, "virus"? Have you been snooping into my life? I thought it was getting out of bedinthe morning that did all that! Do you mean to tell me it is not like that for everyone? And not everyday,either? Wow! Peter >>Peter,It is like that for everyone, it's only the "infected" one's who feel thesick compulsion to pick up after themselves .... uhg ... gives me theeebeegeebee's just thinking about the poor sick bastards. 8^)Mike (where is my other sock?) Shay from rcurry@ttlc.net Fri Jan 26 08:19:45 2001 f0QEJie07490 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools Steve,Though I agree that your causes listed appear to cover many instances,there are two other proven gnerators of ETS:1/ Intermittent Transdimensional Portals --- These were first notedin clothes dryers --- one- out-of-every-four socks falls through anintermittenttransdimensional portal that is opened by the tremendous static electricitycreating a tear in the space-time continuum. It seems safe to conclude thathand-planing while wearing a wool sweater would have a similar effect.2/ Metamorphosis - One theory, yet to be disproved, has it thatpaperclips are the nymphal stage of coat hangers. This explains why you cannever find a paperclip when you need one, but you'll have an abundance ofcoathangers. I have a body of evidence proving that the same applies to 9/16"deep-drive sockets hatching into half empty cans of bearing grease.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ SteVe Cook wrote: I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which have alreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools 'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in the washingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than the above, andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; 'Have yougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts; bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other large objects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quite amazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to be fullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from steve@hamiltonrods.com Fri Jan 26 08:22:21 2001 f0QEMLe07717 Service Version 5.5.2448.0) Subject: Re: Measurement Multiply the taper dimension by 64. --Steve ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Measurement Down to some rod building.All my measuring equipment is in either 1/64' or 1/128' and all thetapers I have are in thou's. Does anybody know of a formula and/orprogramme to do these conversions as my maths brain cells can'tremember how this is done. ta. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Jan 26 08:38:08 2001 f0QEc7e08668 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 06:37:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Measurement SteVe Cook wrote: Down to some rod building.All my measuring equipment is ineither 1/64' or 1/128' and all the tapers I have are inthou's. Does anybody know of a formula and/or programme todo these conversions as my maths brain cells can'tremember how this is done. SteVe of Northumbria,Buy a decent dial caliper, graduated in thousandths.Costs run form$12-200. This will not be the last expenseyou face....Doing the math isn't worth the effort, and the closestyou can come with 128ths is about .0078125" -- enough togive glaring glue lines. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."-- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods --http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from caneman@clnk.com Fri Jan 26 08:44:00 2001 f0QEhxe08998 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Measurement This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02CF_01C08773.E8A218E0 Steve,Simply do the division that the fraction requires to get the 64th's =figure in thousands. IN other words, if you have 3/64ths and want to =convert it to thousandths, then simply divide 64 by 3 and you get =0.046875. To get thousandths changed to 64ths, just mulitply the figure =in thousandths, for instance, say you have .060", by 64, so .060 X 64 ==3D 3.84/64ths.Now, suggestion, get calipers and micrometers that measure in =thousandths, because you will never get accurate strips trying to look =on the divisions of a 64ths scale and measure something to a fraction of =a 64th or even in 128ths. For instance... first station on a 2 wt rod =might be .055", or even less in some tapers. If you convert .055 to =128ths, then its 7.04/128ths... You could measure dead on 7/128ths =easily, but the remaining 0.04/128ths is just going to have to be a =guess. Without instruments that can measure accurately to the .001" or =less, then it will be extremely difficult for you to make the same rod, =or even like strips for the same section, with any repeatability. You =can by dial calipers very reasonable and they are well worth the = Later,Bob-----Original Message-----From: SteVe Cook Date: Friday, January 26, 2001 8:06 AMSubject: Measurement Down to some rod building.All my measuring equipment is in either 1/64' or 1/128' and all the =tapers I have are in thou's. Does anybody know of a formula and/or =programme to do these conversions as my maths brain cells can't remember=how this is done. ta. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria ------=_NextPart_000_02CF_01C08773.E8A218E0 Steve, = words, if you have 3/64ths and want to convert it to thousandths, then = = just mulitply the figure in thousandths, for instance, say you have = suggestion, = and micrometers that measure in thousandths, because you will never get = strips trying to look on the divisions of a 64ths scale and measure = easily, but the remaining 0.04/128ths is just going to have to be a = Without instruments that can measure accurately to the .001" or = it will be extremely difficult for you to make the same rod, or even = Later,Bob -----Original = SteVe Cook <stevexcook@uk.packardbell.o= Rodmakers <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= MeasurementDown to some rod building.All my measuring equipment is in either 1/64' or = and all the tapers I have are in thou's. Does anybody know of a = and/or programme to do these conversions as my maths brain cells = remember how this is done. ta. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of =Northumbria ------=_NextPart_000_02CF_01C08773.E8A218E0-- from rkrees@mcn.net Fri Jan 26 08:48:03 2001 f0QEm2e09259 , Subject: Re: Wandering Tools ? Intermittent Transdimensional Portals: This may be the one, for manyyearsI suffered from thesock issue in my home dryer. A couple of years ago I acquired a Laundromatwhich subsequentlyI have my rod shop attached to. When I purchased the laundry, I thought thatI would finallysolve the misery of the socks only to find out that though one knows thatthey are missing they doleave the premises. I do however find a number of tools in the dryer's fromtime to time, thesocks do not show up on my bench so there has to be a third Portal involved. Varnish and dryer sheets, as well as static electric questions may bedirected to me believe me Iam finally a pro at something. from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Jan 26 09:04:35 2001 be forged)) f0QF4Ye09952 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:58:16 -0600 Subject: Re: Measurement Simply divide say the 64 into 1, and you will get the decimal equivalent. Or1/128" = .0078", and 1/64" = .0156" GMA from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Jan 26 09:11:24 2001 f0QFBMe10274 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:11:11 +0800 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:10:58 +0800 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools I can attest to these things. My "little person" had the incredible ability to do the exact thing Iabsolutely didn't want him to do unerringly.If he broke something I'd always find it neatly back in it's originalplace. I mean 20 missing teeth from a Japanese saw doesn't matter THATmuch.If it was just missing the toilet bowl was always worth a look as were theguttering down pipes. Having the gutters overflow back into the ceilingsbecause they're all blocked up with shoes, hats, wallets, cock & hen capes,cricket balls, socks filled with sand in fact anything is always good for alaugh.The most interesting and emotionaly disturbing thing that ever went missingwas my last of the American Maranz stereo turn table. I was almost in timeto save it too. Had I looked out the window 5 seconds earlier I could havestoped my "little one" give it the coup de gras with his cricket bat. Itwas a damned good shot too but what really hurt was I only just gave himthe cricket bat!Happily he has survived into a decent teen ager and I have learned to behappy with A LOT less worldly goods though the pens and pencils still gomissing.I'm told you look back on these things and laugh :-) Tony I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which have alreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools 'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in the washingmachine; etc. /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from GROMBACHERA@phibred.com Fri Jan 26 09:38:53 2001 f0QFcqe11378 26 Jan 2001 10:38:41 -0500 Rod Makers List Serve Subject: RE: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Chris/Bob, Bear works great for flies. Here are some; the black nose dace pattern andlots of salmon flies (the black bear and the green butt skunk too name acouple). I have black, blond, and brown blackbear hair and polar. It makesgreat hair wing material. But for tailing on dryflies like the moose tailadam, stick with moose mane. You can buy bear hair in a few places. In Canada, the wholesaler (Superfly)carries it I think. Back when I was in the lower 48, Herters of yesteryearand Cold Spring Anglers (I think they are still kicking) carried it.Taxidermy shops are great places to get bear hair. Check with your localtaxidermists, especially in the Upper Midwest and out West. If you have some raw bloody hide - just scrape it good and salt it withcanning salt - then it should store well after a couple a coating of salt todraw out the moisture. All this talk of bears, makes we want the spring to come. Bull trout andbears; a good way to spend the spring. If you have the whole bear keep the bear fat - it makes great pie crusts,soap, gun oil, and lubricants. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Chris... Are you the one that stole my pet bear? My wolf misses him.Please return his nose so the wolf pup can nuzzle to him...Seriously, never have thought about black bear hair, but the stifffibers might make good replacements for moose mane for tail fibers andantennae. Later,BobPS: Waiting to hear where you got black bear hair???? -----Original Message----- Subject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns could youuse it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying? Canit just be scraped, dried and cut into squares?>Chris from Ralf.Ladda@t-online.de Fri Jan 26 09:55:47 2001 f0QFtje12290 fwd02.sul.t-online.com Subject: Charles Cotton Hello list, I know this is a little off the subject, but does anybody know where Ican get a copy (reprint) of Charles Cotton's book "Instructions how toangle for a trout or grayling in a clear stream" ? I've tried amazon,but they don't have it. Regards Ralf from Germany from cmj@post11.tele.dk Fri Jan 26 11:12:54 2001 f0QHCse15480 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:12:54 +0100 Subject: Sv: Charles Cotton f0QHCse15481 Try Coch-y-Bonddy books: http://www.fishing.org/bonddu/ Also http://www.addall.com/ a searchmachine for books - 41 bookstores regards, Carsten Jorgensen ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Charles Cotton Hello list, I know this is a little off the subject, but does anybody know where Ican get a copy (reprint) of Charles Cotton's book "Instructions how toangle for a trout or grayling in a clear stream" ? I've tried amazon,but they don't have it. Regards Ralf from Germany from ROBERT.KOPE@prodigy.net Fri Jan 26 11:44:05 2001 f0QHi4e16944 f0QHi3a73388;Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:44:04 -0500 Subject: Re: finger joint for nodeless construction I thought the whole point of nodeless construction was to replace thenatural finger joints with scarf joints ;^). -- Robert Kope -----Original Message----- Subject: finger joint for nodeless construction Hi all, thanks for all the great info. New to the listserver and new tocanerod building , but with this extensive resource I am learning fast.Question... has anyone tried using a woodworkers finger joint router orshaper bit to make splices for nodeless construction? The theory seemssound, but I wonder if the dimensions of the 'fingers' are too large to beanadvantage in the small dia. tip section? from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Jan 26 11:46:29 2001 f0QHkSe17166 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:47:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools I have a ghost named Freddy. Last week he stole awhole butt section for a Para15. Have not found it so I had to make a new one..This is the truth.Tony Flytyr@southshore.com SteVe Cook wrote: I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which have alreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools 'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in the washingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than the above, andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; 'Have yougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts; bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other large objects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quite amazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to be fullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from cmj@post11.tele.dk Fri Jan 26 11:53:56 2001 f0QHrte17650 ;Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:53:56 +0100 Subject: Sv: Wandering Tools f0QHrue17651 Tony But(t) ofcourse it is the truth.You would not dream of tellinga story not being 100 percent truthful?I mean, one fisherman to the other...... regards, Carsten P.S. Could You ask Freddy to deliverthe butt section to me - am doing 2 parasright now, and all help would be appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Wandering Tools I have a ghost named Freddy. Last week he stole awhole butt section for a Para15. Have not found it so I had to make a new one..This is the truth.Tony Flytyr@southshore.com SteVe Cook wrote: I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which havealreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools 'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in the washingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than the above,andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; 'Have yougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts; bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other large objects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quite amazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to be fullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from cmj@post11.tele.dk Fri Jan 26 11:55:52 2001 f0QHtpe17850 +0100 Subject: Re. wandering tools This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C087CA.B1EB3820 Tony But(t) ofcourse it is the truth.You would not dream of tellinga story not being 100 percent truthful?I mean, one fisherman to the other...... regards, Carsten P.S. Could You ask Freddy to deliverthe butt section to me - am doing 2 parasright now, and all help would be appreciated. Subject: Re: Wandering Tools I have a ghost named Freddy. Last week he stole awhole butt section for a Para15. Have not found it so I had to make a new one..This is the truth.Tony Flytyr@southshore.com SteVe Cook wrote: I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems =arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal =title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many years =studying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which have =alreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools ='evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in the =washingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than the =above, andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; ='Have yougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts; =bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other large =objects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quite =amazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to be =fullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C087CA.B1EB3820 TonyBut(t) ofcourse it is the= would not dream of tellinga story not being 100 percent = one fisherman to the = parasright now, and all help would be appreciated.----- = : <stevexcook@uk.packardbell.o= Rodmakers <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= = = Gremlins = distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; 'Have = Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts; = ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C087CA.B1EB3820-- from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Jan 26 12:12:25 2001 f0QICOe18932 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:13:09 -0600 Subject: Re: Sv: Wandering Tools I could tell you about the three finished ready to glue strips but AHHHHHHHyouwould not believe it anyway.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Carsten Jorgensen wrote: Tony But(t) ofcourse it is the truth.You would not dream of tellinga story not being 100 percent truthful?I mean, one fisherman to the other...... regards, Carsten P.S. Could You ask Freddy to deliverthe butt section to me - am doing 2 parasright now, and all help would be appreciated. ----- Original Message -----From: Tony Spezio Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:37 PMSubject: Re: Wandering Tools I have a ghost named Freddy. Last week he stole awhole butt section for a Para15. Have not found it so I had to make a new one..This is the truth.Tony Flytyr@southshore.com SteVe Cook wrote: I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which havealreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools 'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in thewashingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than the above,andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; 'Have yougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts;bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other large objects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quiteamazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to be fullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from Dean_Burrill@mcafee.com Fri Jan 26 13:03:30 2001 hosts.mcafee.com [208.228.235.224] (may be forged)) f0QJ3Te21409 (5.5.2650.21) Subject: RE: Charles Cotton Ralf,Cotton's book can most commonly be found published as Part II ofIzaak Walton's 'Complete Angler'. Most editions of Walton will containCotton's book, and since 'Angler' is the 3rd most published book in theEnglish language it should be easy to find a new or used copy. -----Original Message----- Subject: Charles Cotton Hello list, I know this is a little off the subject, but does anybody know where Ican get a copy (reprint) of Charles Cotton's book "Instructions how toangle for a trout or grayling in a clear stream" ? I've tried amazon,but they don't have it. Regards Ralf from Germany from rmoon@ida.net Fri Jan 26 13:35:15 2001 f0QJZEe22423 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools (ETS) ETS is a phenomenon endemic to all kinds of craftsmen. There is no surepreventative from it, but fortunately there is at least one unfailing cure inthe universe. No matter what the cause, elves, gremlins, trolls, kids,SWMBO,whatever, I have a retriever that can recover any item, any place, and atanytime in 60 seconds or less. Case in point: I dropped a valuable size 32 flyon a deep pile rug. I searched with a magnet, bright light, my hands andtranscendental meditation for nearly an hour. I could not locate the fly. Icalled in my retriever and she looked at the scene a few seconds and said "itis inside your slipper." IT WAS. Just this morning I gave up the two weeksearch for my battery operated drill, and requested help. My locator walkedinto my shop and directly to the end of my planing bench lifted a loose pieceof paper and THERE it was. I would consider renting this locator to find anymissing Paynes, Gillums or Garrisons, share and share alike. Sorry for the non-essential gab, but I needed something to get over my burnout. from dannyt@frisurf.no Fri Jan 26 14:04:31 2001 f0QK4Ue23796 (MET)User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Binding cord Hi guys, seems like we need some rodmaking action on the list.... What do You find best to use when binding the splits for glue up,elastic nylon or cotton? I use a Garrison style binder...... TIAdanny from flyfish@defnet.com Fri Jan 26 14:14:54 2001 f0QKEre24298 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:26:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Binding cord DannyI use a glaced cotton that is the size of your averageheavy sewing thread. I use it to bind when I glueand to heat treat. It is thin enough that it sands offfast , but strong enough to hold. I've seen others usethe same but heavier. But I've found the size I use works great. I get it ata quilting shop. It is called Americana100 percent glaced cotton quilting thread. It does not meltat heat treat like a nylon would. And it's about .50 cents a spool.Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html----- Original Message ----- Subject: Binding cord Hi guys, seems like we need some rodmaking action on the list.... What do You find best to use when binding the splits for glue up,elastic nylon or cotton? I use a Garrison style binder...... TIAdanny from fiveside@net-gate.com Fri Jan 26 14:17:24 2001 f0QKHNe24518 Subject: Burnout To the ListMy burnout was due to no new challenge. I have enough of my really nice 6,5 and 4 siders to last several lifetimes, with many fine rods dusty fromyear to year. But this year I revisited the 2-strip quad. It was fun to soakstrips (sacrilege to us Garrison cult-members) and even to straightennodes again (but never again). My thanks to Tom Smithwick for bringing meupto date on all of those techniques. Bill from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Jan 26 14:47:50 2001 f0QKlne26487 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:48:34 -0600 Subject: Re: Sv: Wandering Tools It probably be the wrong node spacing.Setting the ferrules on the new section I made. The two tips were still there.I am still trying to figure it out. No, I don't drink.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Carsten Jorgensen wrote P.S. Could You ask Freddy to deliverthe butt section to me - am doing 2 parasright now, and all help would be appreciated. ----- Original Message -----From: Tony Spezio Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:37 PMSubject: Re: Wandering Tools I have a ghost named Freddy. Last week he stole awhole butt section for a Para15. Have not found it so I had to make a new one..This is the truth.Tony Flytyr@southshore.com SteVe Cook wrote: I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which havealreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools 'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in thewashingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than the above,andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; 'Have yougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts;bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other large objects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quiteamazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to be fullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from steve@hamiltonrods.com Fri Jan 26 16:05:53 2001 f0QM5qe29995 Service Version 5.5.2448.0) Subject: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Is anyone out there making ferrule plugs? If so, I'd love to see/hearwhat they look like. Here's a simple idea I came up with that involvesnothing more than turning a small piece of bamboo blank: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/TwoTone/images/fplug.jpg What are others doing? Comments? --Steve from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Jan 26 16:08:58 2001 f0QM8ve00306 2001 14:08:58 PST Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? try ron barch's "the best of the planingform" timothy --- Steve Zimmerman wrote:Is anyone out there making ferrule plugs? If so, I'dlove to see/hearwhat they look like. Here's a simple idea I came upwith that involvesnothing more than turning a small piece of bambooblank: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/TwoTone/images/fplug.jpg What are others doing? Comments? --Steve ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from beadman@mac.com Fri Jan 26 16:17:23 2001 f0QMHMe01320 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? At 5:05 PM -0500 , 1/26/01, Steve Zimmerman wrote about Ferrule plugs,anyone?Is anyone out there making ferrule plugs? If so, I'd love to see/hearwhat they look like. Here's a simple idea I came up with that involvesnothing more than turning a small piece of bamboo blank: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/TwoTone/images/fplug.jpg What are others doing? Comments? This may be a dumb question, but why would one use ferrule plugs? I can see the use to keep dirt out, but if the rod is inside it's rod sock and also inside a rod case (tube), why would it be needed? Is the female ferrule soft enough it easily deforms? Why would people want a ferrule plug for a cane rod and not for a graphite or fiberglas rod? Thanks,Claude from Canerods@aol.com Fri Jan 26 16:24:42 2001 f0QMOfe01984 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools --part1_7b.f6e4574.27a35321_boundary Would whoever took my plastic package sealing tape please put it where I'm looking so I can send out a package! I have three rolls and at least let me find one of them! dgb --part1_7b.f6e4574.27a35321_boundary Would whoever took myplastic package sealing tape please put it where I'm looking so I can send out a package! I have three rolls and at least letme find one of them! dgb --part1_7b.f6e4574.27a35321_boundary-- from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Fri Jan 26 16:25:01 2001 f0QMP0e02066 Subject: Re: Sv: Wandering Tools Tony et all: In my case I have dwarfs in the house. My wife (Rose) being from thePhilippines does believe in dwarfs and has educated me to the facts ofdwarfs (two kinds, one good, one bad). The good dwarfs (Dwende,pronouncedDu-wend-e) inhabit the homes and do a little mischief here and there, andare the protectors of living things like plants, trees, and maybe evenbamboo. The bad dwarfs live in the forest and usually sit on termite moundsand place curses on you. I asked her if we had dwarfs in my shop, and she said "NO, because theydon't like to hear bad words". I said, "what bad words do I say dear". Shereplied, "You are always saying SH*T, and Son of the Dog". Of course Iwill never admit saying things like that, being the good boy that I am, andI still believe that it is the dwarfs that move my tools from where I leftthem. Or could it be a little short Filipina who moves them when cleaningup the shop? ONLY THE SHADOW KNOWS!!! Best regards to everyone Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life".http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker It probably be the wrong node spacing.Setting the ferrules on the new section I made. The two tips were stillthere.I am still trying to figure it out. No, I don't drink.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Carsten Jorgensen wrote P.S. Could You ask Freddy to deliverthe butt section to me - am doing 2 parasright now, and all help would be appreciated. ----- Original Message -----From: Tony Spezio Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:37 PMSubject: Re: Wandering Tools I have a ghost named Freddy. Last week he stole awhole butt section for a Para15. Have not found it so I had to make a new one..This is the truth.Tony Flytyr@southshore.com SteVe Cook wrote: I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problemsarefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formaltitle,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which havealreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in thewashingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than theabove, andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this';'Have yougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts;bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other largeobjects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quiteamazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to befullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from lawdevil@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 26 16:43:14 2001 f0QMhDe03163 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Claude, that is dumb! Its a sexual thing - has nothing to do utility! Mike Claude wrote:This may be a dumb question, but why would one use ferrule plugs? from flyfish@defnet.com Fri Jan 26 16:49:03 2001 f0QMn2e03544 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:00:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Hi SteveI make ferrule plugs for my rods. I make them fromthe leftover blank. You can see them on my web page.As for the reason people make them. They look REALLY COOL! Other thanthat Iguess they are for keeping dirt out of the female ferrule.Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html----- Original Message ----- Subject: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Is anyone out there making ferrule plugs? If so, I'd love to see/hearwhat they look like. Here's a simple idea I came up with that involvesnothing more than turning a small piece of bamboo blank: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/TwoTone/images/fplug.jpg What are others doing? Comments? --Steve from flyfish@defnet.com Fri Jan 26 16:54:48 2001 f0QMsme03881 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:06:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? I think what Mike is saying it is good practice.LOL----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Claude, that is dumb! Its a sexual thing - has nothing to doutility! Mike Claude wrote:This may be a dumb question, but why would one use ferrule plugs? from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Jan 26 17:02:11 2001 f0QN2Ae04269 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools Hello Rodmakers,My name is Freddy. You would not believe the pile of RodmakingparaphenaliaI have accumulated over the years. I visit your shops late early in themornings, before you arise and begin to work. My secret is that once in awhileI replace something that I removed, in an attempt to slowly drive you crazy.Looks like my plan is working perfectly! And yes, Tony, I have that Para 15 butt section!! Tony Spezio wrote: I have a ghost named Freddy. Last week he stole awhole butt section for a Para15. Have not found it so I had to make a new one..This is the truth. --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."-- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods --http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from steve@hamiltonrods.com Fri Jan 26 17:06:12 2001 f0QN6Be04592 Service Version 5.5.2448.0) Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? This may be a dumb question, but why would one use ferrule plugs? Ican see the use to keep dirt out, but if the rod is inside it's rodsock and also inside a rod case (tube), why would it be needed? Isthe female ferrule soft enough it easily deforms? Why would peoplewant a ferrule plug for a cane rod and not for a graphite orfiberglas rod? Good question. You'd have to agree, though, that *much* of the bamboorodbuilding craft is for show rather than for utility. Why do we use silkinstead of nylon or varnish instead of epoxy, for example? --Steve from rsgould@cmc.net Fri Jan 26 17:30:24 2001 f0QNUNe05500 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Hi Steve,I've made a bunch of different types of ferrule plugs. The ones made of allwood seem to dry out over time and then don't fit tightly. The best successI've had is to either make them out of UHMW polyethylene or from a nicelooking wood such as rosewood but fit them with a cork sleeve to fit in thebore of the ferrule.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Is anyone out there making ferrule plugs? If so, I'd love to see/hearwhat they look like. Here's a simple idea I came up with that involvesnothing more than turning a small piece of bamboo blank: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/TwoTone/images/fplug.jpg What are others doing? Comments? --Steve from ChristopherO@epicimaging.com Fri Jan 26 17:43:01 2001 f0QNh0e05976 (5.5.2448.0) RodMakers Subject: RE: Ferrule plugs, anyone? UHMW is very dimensionally unstable with variations in temperature.i don't know how much force it can exert when expanding in heat. . .but you might want to be careful putting it in a thin-walled female ferrulethat might sit in a hot car someday. chris -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Hi Steve,I've made a bunch of different types of ferrule plugs. The ones made of allwood seem to dry out over time and then don't fit tightly. The best successI've had is to either make them out of UHMW polyethylene or from a nicelooking wood such as rosewood but fit them with a cork sleeve to fit in thebore of the ferrule.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Is anyone out there making ferrule plugs? If so, I'd love to see/hearwhat they look like. Here's a simple idea I came up with that involvesnothing more than turning a small piece of bamboo blank: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/TwoTone/images/fplug.jpg What are others doing? Comments? --Steve from ewp42@yahoo.com Fri Jan 26 18:39:22 2001 f0R0dLe07495 2001 16:39:22 PST Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Hardy puts ferrule plugs in their graphite rods. As far as "whatpurpose do they serve?" . . . probably none, but they are nice.:-) Eric __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from Grhghlndr@aol.com Fri Jan 26 20:19:26 2001 f0R2JPe09140 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair I have a ton of bear hair. Not only Black Bear but also Grizzly that I got from a taxidermist I know. If you have one near you go ask him for some hair. I have also gotten some real nice goat hair from him that makes a great substitute for Polar Bear. Bret from Troutgetter@aol.com Fri Jan 26 20:27:42 2001 f0R2Rfe09408 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools In a message dated 1/26/2001 7:12:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: Tony,So sorry to hear of your loss ... would you, perhaps, be interested in a fine Marantz 8 track player? from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Fri Jan 26 20:45:33 2001 f0R2jWe09883 ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:44:27 -0500 Subject: ferrule station cutters --=====================_16790012==_.ALT Hi Everyone:I know several comments have been made already, but I have to post this.... I received a set of ferrule station cutters from David Le Clair today, and of course, I had several blanks waiting for ferrules. The cutters in the set came in 8 sizes, 9/64-16/64 and are made by Dave right in his shop. I cut the stations for a quad (based on the Edwards #25 posted by Chris McD.) needing 13/64 ferrules, and a hex Dickerson 8015 Guide Special. I have never cut better ferrule stations on my tiny Sherline as I did with these cutters. I cut to where the tabs began, and then I used a file to taper the final small distance. Everything seems dead on center. Very fast, too. The tabs sat perfectly on the blank. This is the best $125 I have spent for the shop in a long time. No financial interest here, I am just really happy to pass on info on this cool tool. Ever since I saw those Dickerson cutters in Dickerson, The Man and His Rods, I have always thought, "What a great idea." Can't wait to tape some guides on them tomorrow. Best regards,Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_16790012==_.ALT Hi Everyone:I know several comments have been made already, but I have to postthis.... I received a set of ferrule station cutters from David Le Clair today,and of course, I had several blanks waiting for ferrules. The cutters in his shop. I cut the stations for a quad (based on the Edwards #25 posted Special. I have never cut better ferrule stations on my tiny Sherline asI did with these cutters. I cut to where the tabs began, and then I useda file to taper the final small distance. Everything seems dead oncenter. Very fast, too. The tabs sat perfectly on the blank. This is the best $125 I have spent for the shop in a long time. Nofinancial interest here, I am just really happy to pass on info on thiscool tool. Ever since I saw those Dickerson cutters in Dickerson, TheMan and His Rods, I have always thought, "What a great Best regards, Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_16790012==_.ALT-- from channer1@rmi.net Fri Jan 26 21:03:15 2001 f0R33Ee10419 20:03:09 -0700 4.72 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) Subject: Re: ferrule station cutters Bob{and anyone else interested): He now makes reel seat cutters in 3 sizes for any insert you might beusing. I just got one that cuts .370 x 3 1/2" for seats with a 3/8"hole.John Bob Maulucci wrote: Hi Everyone:I know several comments have been made already, but I have to postthis.... I received a set of ferrule station cutters from David Le Clair today,and of course, I had several blanks waiting for ferrules. The cuttersin the set came in 8 sizes, 9/64-16/64 and are made by Dave right inhis shop. I cut the stations for a quad (based on the Edwards #25posted by Chris McD.) needing 13/64 ferrules, and a hex Dickerson 8015Guide Special. I have never cut better ferrule stations on my tinySherline as I did with these cutters. I cut to where the tabs began,and then I used a file to taper the final small distance. Everythingseems dead on center. Very fast, too. The tabs sat perfectly on theblank. This is the best $125 I have spent for the shop in a long time. Nofinancial interest here, I am just really happy to pass on info onthis cool tool. Ever since I saw those Dickerson cutters in Dickerson,The Man and His Rods, I have always thought, "What a great idea."Can't wait to tape some guides on them tomorrow. Best regards,Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Fri Jan 26 21:03:57 2001 f0R33ue10495 ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:02:51 -0500 Subject: cutter set pics I posted a scan of the set for anyone wondering.http://www.powerfibers.com/cutter.jpgBob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Fri Jan 26 21:08:57 2001 f0R38ue10835 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:07:32 -0500 Subject: Re: ferrule station cutters Thanks, John. I got an insert on those. How much are they?Bob At 08:06 PM 1/26/2001 -0700, you wrote:Bob{and anyone else interested):He now makes reel seat cutters in 3 sizes for any insert you might beusing. I just got one that cuts .370 x 3 1/2" for seats with a 3/8"hole.John Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Jan 26 21:09:23 2001 f0R39Me10909 Subject: Re: ferrule station cutters Bob, John and everyone, Thank you for the kind words about my Ferrule StationCutters and Reel Seat cutters. I'm always trying to come up withnew tools that will help all of the guys on the list, as well as puta few dollars in my pocket. It always gives me a lot of pleasureknowing that the ideas I come up with work out well for the guys.I'll try to keep the ideas coming. Thanks again, Dave L. http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from lblan@provide.net Fri Jan 26 21:59:55 2001 f0R3xse11870 Subject: RE: Wandering Tools Tony; many people here use crickets for bait... probably because they can'tfind any large brown drake hatches... :)) I've always thought them to be harmless.... never have given any thought totaking a *bat* to them! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 9:44 AM Cc: RodmakersSubject: Re: Wandering Tools was my last of the American Maranz stereo turn table. I was almost intimeto save it too. Had I looked out the window 5 seconds earlier I could havestoped my "little one" give it the coup de gras with his cricket bat. Itwas a damned good shot too but what really hurt was I only just gave himthe cricket bat! Tony from richjez@enteract.com Fri Jan 26 22:25:18 2001 f0R4PHe12331 ,mcdowellc@lanecc.edu, Rod Makers List Serve Subject: RE: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair --=====================_9174659==_.ALT OK, what about beard hair from a human. It is a renewable resource. I trimmed my beard this morning and threw the trimmings in the toilet. 14 hours later I used that bathroom again and found that hair still floating. Rich Jezioro At 09:38 AM 1/26/01, Grombacher, Alan wrote:Chris/Bob, Bear works great for flies. Here are some; the black nose dace pattern andlots of salmon flies (the black bear and the green butt skunk too name acouple). I have black, blond, and brown blackbear hair and polar. It makesgreat hair wing material. But for tailing on dryflies like the moose tailadam, stick with moose mane. You can buy bear hair in a few places. In Canada, the wholesaler (Superfly)carries it I think. Back when I was in the lower 48, Herters of yesteryearand Cold Spring Anglers (I think they are still kicking) carried it.Taxidermy shops are great places to get bear hair. Check with your localtaxidermists, especially in the Upper Midwest and out West. If you have some raw bloody hide - just scrape it good and salt it withcanning salt - then it should store well after a couple a coating of salt todraw out the moisture. All this talk of bears, makes we want the spring to come. Bull trout andbears; a good way to spend the spring. If you have the whole bear keep the bear fat - it makes great pie crusts,soap, gun oil, and lubricants. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Chris... Are you the one that stole my pet bear? My wolf misses him.Please return his nose so the wolf pup can nuzzle to him...Seriously, never have thought about black bear hair, but the stifffibers might make good replacements for moose mane for tail fibers andantennae. Later,BobPS: Waiting to hear where you got black bear hair???? -----Original Message-----From: Christopher McDowell Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:44 PMSubject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns could youuse it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying? Canit just be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > ))):>-- =====================_9174659==_.ALT OK, what about beard hair from a human. It is a renewableresource. I trimmed my beard this morning and threw the trimmings in thetoilet. 14 hours later I used that bathroom again and found that hairstill floating. Rich Jezioro At 09:38 AM 1/26/01, Grombacher, Alan wrote:Chris/Bob, pattern andlots of salmon flies (the black bear and the green butt skunk too namea moose tailadam, stick with moose mane. (Superfly) yesteryear it. localtaxidermists, especially in the Upper Midwest and out West. If you have some raw bloody hide - just scrape it good and salt itwithcanning salt - then it should store well after a couple a coating of salttodraw out the moisture. trout andbears; a good way to spend the spring. If you have the whole bear keep the bear fat - it makes great piecrusts,soap, gun oil, and lubricants. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair him.Please return his nose so the wolf pup can nuzzle to him... but the stifffibers might make good replacements for moose mane for tail fibersandantennae. Later,BobPS: Waiting to hear where you got black bear hair???? -----Original Message----- Subject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair could you tying? Canit just be scraped, dried and cut into squares? *_____________ ___________________) @/ ||/ ____/||_________________________________________ p;/\ ; / bsp; --=====================_9174659==_.ALT-- from channer1@rmi.net Fri Jan 26 22:25:22 2001 f0R4PLe12336 Subject: Re: ferrule station cutters Bob;I don't remember how much they are, probably about half or less of whatit will be worth to have them in your shop.John Bob Maulucci wrote: Thanks, John. I got an insert on those. How much are they?Bob At 08:06 PM 1/26/2001 -0700, you wrote:Bob{and anyone else interested):He now makes reel seat cutters in 3 sizes for any insert you might beusing. I just got one that cuts .370 x 3 1/2" for seats with a 3/8"hole.John Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Jan 26 22:30:59 2001 f0R4Uwe12724 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Whew!! Rich -- Shampoo that thing once in a while, man!And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry Rich Jezioro wrote: I trimmed my beard this morning and threw the trimmings inthe toilet. 14 hours later I used that bathroom again andfound that hair still floating.-- "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."-- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods --http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from bh887@lafn.org Fri Jan 26 23:55:47 2001 f0R5tje14273 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools (ETS) Could you bring your locator over here for a bit? I am still looking for myfavorite plane. Even went to the trouble of cleaning the workbench. Theshock was so great I had to have another angioplasty. I found a knife Ihaven't seen in two years, a slew of things I can't identify but which lookuseful, and a project I was working on last year and didn't finish, but NOPLANE. Need the locator! Lee----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Wandering Tools (ETS) ETS is a phenomenon endemic to all kinds of craftsmen. There is no surepreventative from it, but fortunately there is at least one unfailing cureinthe universe. No matter what the cause, elves, gremlins, trolls, kids,SWMBO,whatever, I have a retriever that can recover any item, any place, and atanytime in 60 seconds or less. Case in point: I dropped a valuable size 32flyon a deep pile rug. I searched with a magnet, bright light, my hands andtranscendental meditation for nearly an hour. I could not locate thefly. Icalled in my retriever and she looked at the scene a few seconds and said"itis inside your slipper." IT WAS. Just this morning I gave up the twoweeksearch for my battery operated drill, and requested help. My locatorwalkedinto my shop and directly to the end of my planing bench lifted a loosepieceof paper and THERE it was. I would consider renting this locator to findanymissing Paynes, Gillums or Garrisons, share and share alike. Sorry for the non-essential gab, but I needed something to get over myburnout. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 00:14:31 2001 f0R6ETe14726 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:14:27 +0800 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:14:25 +0800 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? I think it's tradition as well as being useful but I never saw the usefulside of it until I visited "down Under" and went to Greyling and saw theway everybody puts their rods ferrule down into the rod bag. Doing it thisway means you need to ensure the ferrule doesn't sustain damage when it'staken out of the rod tube and placed end down. I put my butt section reelseat down so this isn't an issue.Must be a cultural thing I guess.I think the silk is also in that catagory because it not only looks goodthough it's a hasle colour preserving wise but it wont put dents into thebamboo as nylon will caused by the nylon being stretched when wraped andshrinking again on the rod. Silk doesn't stretch so wont shrink. Tony At 06:12 PM 1/26/01 -0500, Steve Zimmerman wrote:From: "Claude Freaner" This may be a dumb question, but why would one use ferrule plugs? Ican see the use to keep dirt out, but if the rod is inside it's rodsock and also inside a rod case (tube), why would it be needed? Isthe female ferrule soft enough it easily deforms? Why would peoplewant a ferrule plug for a cane rod and not for a graphite orfiberglas rod? Good question. You'd have to agree, though, that *much* of the bamboorodbuilding craft is for show rather than for utility. Why do we use silkinstead of nylon or varnish instead of epoxy, for example? --Steve /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 00:15:53 2001 f0R6Fpe14851 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:14:45 +0800 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:14:27 +0800 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu No thanks. I got over it in time and besides I only had to wait a couple ofyears and CDs were out :-) Tony At 09:27 PM 1/26/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 7:12:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: was my last of the American Maranz stereo turn table. I was almost intimeto save it too. >>Tony,So sorry to hear of your loss ... would you, perhaps, be interested in afine Marantz 8 track player? /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 00:16:07 2001 f0R6G5e14856 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:16:00 +0800 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:15:59 +0800 Subject: RE: Wandering Tools "Rodmakers" Larry,different game I think :-) Tony At 11:00 PM 1/26/01 -0500, Larry Blan wrote:Tony; many people here use crickets for bait... probably because they can'tfind any large brown drake hatches... :)) I've always thought them to be harmless.... never have given any thought totaking a *bat* to them! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 9:44 AM Cc: RodmakersSubject: Re: Wandering Tools was my last of the American Maranz stereo turn table. I was almost intimeto save it too. Had I looked out the window 5 seconds earlier I could havestoped my "little one" give it the coup de gras with his cricket bat. Itwas a damned good shot too but what really hurt was I only just gave himthe cricket bat! Tony /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 00:17:36 2001 f0R6HYe15137 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:17:32 +0800 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:17:30 +0800 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools (ETS) "Rodmakers" Check your toilet bowl ;-) At 09:56 PM 1/26/01 -0800, Lee Freeman wrote:Could you bring your locator over here for a bit? I am still looking for myfavorite plane. Even went to the trouble of cleaning the workbench. Theshock was so great I had to have another angioplasty. I found a knife Ihaven't seen in two years, a slew of things I can't identify but which lookuseful, and a project I was working on last year and didn't finish, but NOPLANE. Need the locator! Lee----- Original Message -----From: Ralph W Moon Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 11:29 AMSubject: Re: Wandering Tools (ETS) ETS is a phenomenon endemic to all kinds of craftsmen. There is no surepreventative from it, but fortunately there is at least one unfailing cureinthe universe. No matter what the cause, elves, gremlins, trolls, kids,SWMBO,whatever, I have a retriever that can recover any item, any place, and atanytime in 60 seconds or less. Case in point: I dropped a valuable size 32flyon a deep pile rug. I searched with a magnet, bright light, my hands andtranscendental meditation for nearly an hour. I could not locate thefly. Icalled in my retriever and she looked at the scene a few seconds and said"itis inside your slipper." IT WAS. Just this morning I gave up the twoweeksearch for my battery operated drill, and requested help. My locatorwalkedinto my shop and directly to the end of my planing bench lifted a loosepieceof paper and THERE it was. I would consider renting this locator to findanymissing Paynes, Gillums or Garrisons, share and share alike. Sorry for the non-essential gab, but I needed something to get over myburnout. /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from dutcher@email.msn.com Sat Jan 27 00:17:43 2001 f0R6Hhe15157 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:17:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair I am not so impressed with the floating beard hair as I am with notusing the bathroom in fourteen hours. I have not made it that long in years.Excuse me, I have to go. DickRichard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message -----From: Rich Jezioro mcdowellc@lanecc.edu ;Rod Makers List ServeSent: Friday, January 26, 2001 8:16 PMSubject: RE: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair OK, what about beard hair from a human. It is a renewable resource. Itrimmed my beard this morning and threw the trimmings in the toilet. 14hours later I used that bathroom again and found that hair still floating. Rich Jezioro At 09:38 AM 1/26/01, Grombacher, Alan wrote: Chris/Bob, Bear works great for flies. Here are some; the black nose dace patternandlots of salmon flies (the black bear and the green butt skunk too name acouple). I have black, blond, and brown blackbear hair and polar. Itmakesgreat hair wing material. But for tailing on dryflies like the moosetailadam, stick with moose mane. You can buy bear hair in a few places. In Canada, the wholesaler(Superfly)carries it I think. Back when I was in the lower 48, Herters ofyesteryearand Cold Spring Anglers (I think they are still kicking) carried it.Taxidermy shops are great places to get bear hair. Check with yourlocaltaxidermists, especially in the Upper Midwest and out West. If you have some raw bloody hide - just scrape it good and salt it withcanning salt - then it should store well after a couple a coating ofsalt todraw out the moisture. All this talk of bears, makes we want the spring to come. Bull troutandbears; a good way to spend the spring. If you have the whole bear keep the bear fat - it makes great piecrusts,soap, gun oil, and lubricants. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Chris... Are you the one that stole my pet bear? My wolf misses him.Please return his nose so the wolf pup can nuzzle to him...Seriously, never have thought about black bear hair, but the stifffibers might make good replacements for moose mane for tail fibers andantennae. Later,BobPS: Waiting to hear where you got black bear hair???? -----Original Message-----From: Christopher McDowell Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:44 PMSubject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns couldyouuse it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying?Canit just be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > >))):> from castafly@gbis.com Sat Jan 27 00:34:55 2001 f0R6Yse15873 WAA13184 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Lathe Spindle Holes I hate to beat the lathe topic to death, but I have one more question. Ihave narrowed my choice of lathes down to a few. The only problem is thehole through the spindle on all of them is .375". Is this hole large enoughto build trout rods up to 8.5'? I know the flat-to-flat butt dimensions onmost of the rods I want to build is about .375--the same dimension as thespindle hole. However, when turning a grip, a thinner part of the shaftwill be in the spindle, but is .375" large enough? Anyone have someexperienc/advice to offer?? Thanks in advance.... from flyfish@defnet.com Sat Jan 27 00:46:28 2001 f0R6kSe16129 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:58:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Lathe Spindle Holes JeffDon't forget that if you are putting a rod shaft througha hole you need to measure edge to edge, not flatto flat . The corners make up a larger diameters than the flats. A .375 flatto flat dimension is about .020 largercorner to corner.Tony Miller----- Original Message ----- Subject: Lathe Spindle Holes I hate to beat the lathe topic to death, but I have one more question. Ihave narrowed my choice of lathes down to a few. The only problem is thehole through the spindle on all of them is .375". Is this hole largeenoughto build trout rods up to 8.5'? I know the flat-to-flat butt dimensionsonmost of the rods I want to build is about .375--the same dimension as thespindle hole. However, when turning a grip, a thinner part of the shaftwill be in the spindle, but is .375" large enough? Anyone have someexperienc/advice to offer?? Thanks in advance.... from caneman@clnk.com Sat Jan 27 07:57:49 2001 f0RDvne19227 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Ferrule plugs? Useless? Maybe... if you properly take care of your rod andkeep it in the rod sock like it should be kept and keep it clean, as itshould be, but in the real world we know that not everyone does excercisethe care they should with thier rod (me being the worlds worst). A perfectexample of someone that needs ferrule plugs is my oldest son, who puts hisrod on a rack in his living room, and lets everything from dust to whatevercollect in the female ferrule as it sits upright in the rack.I do make ferrule plugs. The ones I make are made of end cuts of therod sections, with a small piece turned down so that I can mount a nickelsilver sleeve on them. fit the sleeve to the female ferrule just as youwould fit the male ferrule, and you have a durable and effective ferruleplug. Will finish out a rod to be shipped sometime next week, and if anyoneis interested, I'll try to remember to take a picture of the ferrule plugsand put them on a URL so you can see them. Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? At 5:05 PM -0500 , 1/26/01, Steve Zimmerman wrote about Ferrule plugs,anyone?Is anyone out there making ferrule plugs? If so, I'd love to see/hearwhat they look like. Here's a simple idea I came up with that involvesnothing more than turning a small piece of bamboo blank: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/TwoTone/images/fplug.jpg What are others doing? Comments? This may be a dumb question, but why would one use ferrule plugs? Ican see the use to keep dirt out, but if the rod is inside it's rodsock and also inside a rod case (tube), why would it be needed? Isthe female ferrule soft enough it easily deforms? Why would peoplewant a ferrule plug for a cane rod and not for a graphite orfiberglas rod? Thanks,Claude from rsgould@cmc.net Sat Jan 27 08:06:32 2001 f0RE6Ve19473 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Speaking of being useful, here's another little trick with ferrule plugs. Tokeep them being lost when the rod is in use, sew a pocket onto the rod bagwhich will hold the ferrule plugs. Otherwise they get misplaced in a hurryand end up like the wandering tool thing.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? I think it's tradition as well as being useful but I never saw the usefulside of it until I visited "down Under" and went to Greyling and saw theway everybody puts their rods ferrule down into the rod bag. Doing it thisway means you need to ensure the ferrule doesn't sustain damage whenit'staken out of the rod tube and placed end down. I put my butt section reelseat down so this isn't an issue.Must be a cultural thing I guess.I think the silk is also in that catagory because it not only looks goodthough it's a hasle colour preserving wise but it wont put dents into thebamboo as nylon will caused by the nylon being stretched when wraped andshrinking again on the rod. Silk doesn't stretch so wont shrink. Tony At 06:12 PM 1/26/01 -0500, Steve Zimmerman wrote:From: "Claude Freaner" This may be a dumb question, but why would one use ferrule plugs? Ican see the use to keep dirt out, but if the rod is inside it's rodsock and also inside a rod case (tube), why would it be needed? Isthe female ferrule soft enough it easily deforms? Why would peoplewant a ferrule plug for a cane rod and not for a graphite orfiberglas rod? Good question. You'd have to agree, though, that *much* of the bamboorodbuilding craft is for show rather than for utility. Why do we use silkinstead of nylon or varnish instead of epoxy, for example? --Steve /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ from homessold@email.msn.com Sat Jan 27 08:09:05 2001 f0RE95e19836 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:08:57 -0800 Subject: Lathe Spindle Holes Jeff,The formula to find the flat width of a strip at any place on the taper is:.578D therefore the corner to corner measurement would be 2(.578D) Inyourcase of .375 flat to flat. Corner to corner measurement would be .4335Hope this helpsDon Jeff wrote:I hate to beat the lathe topic to death, but I have one more question. Ihave narrowed my choice of lathes down to a few. The only problem is thehole through the spindle on all of them is .375". Is this hole large enoughto build trout rods up to 8.5'? I know the flat-to-flat butt dimensions onmost of the rods I want to build is about .375--the same dimension as thespindle hole. However, when turning a grip, a thinner part of the shaftwill be in the spindle, but is .375" large enough? Anyone have someexperienc/advice to offer?? Thanks in advance.... from rsgould@cmc.net Sat Jan 27 08:09:45 2001 f0RE9he20027 Subject: Re: Lathe Spindle Holes My lathe has a 5/8" hole thru the spindle and I have found it is none toobig.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: Lathe Spindle Holes I hate to beat the lathe topic to death, but I have one more question. Ihave narrowed my choice of lathes down to a few. The only problem is thehole through the spindle on all of them is .375". Is this hole largeenoughto build trout rods up to 8.5'? I know the flat-to-flat butt dimensionsonmost of the rods I want to build is about .375--the same dimension as thespindle hole. However, when turning a grip, a thinner part of the shaftwill be in the spindle, but is .375" large enough? Anyone have someexperienc/advice to offer?? Thanks in advance.... from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 27 08:12:00 2001 f0REBxe20457 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:11:52 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair I have some older British patterns that call for, get this..... GOAT SCROTUMHAIR!!!!! Who here on the list is brave enough to go clip us some??? Shawn ;^) "Richard R. Dutcher" wrote: I am not so impressed with the floating beard hair as I am with notusing the bathroom in fourteen hours. I have not made it that long in years.Excuse me, I have to go. DickRichard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message -----From: Rich Jezioro mcdowellc@lanecc.edu ;Rod Makers List ServeSent: Friday, January 26, 2001 8:16 PMSubject: RE: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair OK, what about beard hair from a human. It is a renewable resource. Itrimmed my beard this morning and threw the trimmings in the toilet. 14hours later I used that bathroom again and found that hair still floating. Rich Jezioro At 09:38 AM 1/26/01, Grombacher, Alan wrote: Chris/Bob, Bear works great for flies. Here are some; the black nose dace patternandlots of salmon flies (the black bear and the green butt skunk too name acouple). I have black, blond, and brown blackbear hair and polar. Itmakesgreat hair wing material. But for tailing on dryflies like the moosetailadam, stick with moose mane. You can buy bear hair in a few places. In Canada, the wholesaler(Superfly)carries it I think. Back when I was in the lower 48, Herters ofyesteryearand Cold Spring Anglers (I think they are still kicking) carried it.Taxidermy shops are great places to get bear hair. Check with yourlocaltaxidermists, especially in the Upper Midwest and out West. If you have some raw bloody hide - just scrape it good and salt it withcanning salt - then it should store well after a couple a coating ofsalt todraw out the moisture. All this talk of bears, makes we want the spring to come. Bull troutandbears; a good way to spend the spring. If you have the whole bear keep the bear fat - it makes great piecrusts,soap, gun oil, and lubricants. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Chris... Are you the one that stole my pet bear? My wolf misses him.Please return his nose so the wolf pup can nuzzle to him...Seriously, never have thought about black bear hair, but the stifffibers might make good replacements for moose mane for tail fibersandantennae. Later,BobPS: Waiting to hear where you got black bear hair???? -----Original Message-----From: Christopher McDowell Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:44 PMSubject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns couldyouuse it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying?Canit just be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > / \ > >))):> from caneman@clnk.com Sat Jan 27 08:19:03 2001 f0REJ2e21103 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Lathe Spindle Holes Mine has a 1.06" hole... very comfortable. I think you'll find with a .375"bore through, that you'll run into a lot of situations where that isn't bigenough. JMHO...Bob-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Lathe Spindle Holes My lathe has a 5/8" hole thru the spindle and I have found it is none toobig.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Jeff Ferguson" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 9:35 PMSubject: Lathe Spindle Holes I hate to beat the lathe topic to death, but I have one more question. Ihave narrowed my choice of lathes down to a few. The only problem isthehole through the spindle on all of them is .375". Is this hole largeenoughto build trout rods up to 8.5'? I know the flat-to-flat butt dimensionsonmost of the rods I want to build is about .375--the same dimension as thespindle hole. However, when turning a grip, a thinner part of the shaftwill be in the spindle, but is .375" large enough? Anyone have someexperienc/advice to offer?? Thanks in advance.... from channer1@rmi.net Sat Jan 27 08:28:34 2001 f0RESXe21701 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Bob;I suppose that I am the only guy in the country who advocates putting acane rod in it's bag and tube with the reel seat DOWN. It never has madeany sense to me to put the most fragile part of the butt section whereit is most likely to get damaged and I think that if the tube getsdamaged enough to harm the rod's tip, then having that cork next to itain't gonna help a bit. Another thing, I've had so many old rods come tome with wicked sets in the tip right where the string goes around therod, typically right below the grip, that I ask the owners if they willlet me cut the @#$%^ strings off their rodbags. I know there is a longtradition of grip up and tie the strings, but I like to let common senseprevail over tradition when neccessary. On the other hand, if I thoughtthat a rod should go in it's tube with the grip up, then I would fordarn sure make plugs for every rod and try to figure out a away that therod wouldn't go in the bag without it!John Bob Nunley wrote: Ferrule plugs? Useless? Maybe... if you properly take care of your rod andkeep it in the rod sock like it should be kept and keep it clean, as itshould be, but in the real world we know that not everyone does excercisethe care they should with thier rod (me being the worlds worst). A perfectexample of someone that needs ferrule plugs is my oldest son, who putshisrod on a rack in his living room, and lets everything from dust to whatevercollect in the female ferrule as it sits upright in the rack.I do make ferrule plugs. The ones I make are made of end cuts of therod sections, with a small piece turned down so that I can mount a nickelsilver sleeve on them. fit the sleeve to the female ferrule just as youwould fit the male ferrule, and you have a durable and effective ferruleplug. Will finish out a rod to be shipped sometime next week, and if anyoneis interested, I'll try to remember to take a picture of the ferrule plugsand put them on a URL so you can see them. Bob -----Original Message-----From: Claude Freaner Date: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:18 PMSubject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? At 5:05 PM -0500 , 1/26/01, Steve Zimmerman wrote about Ferruleplugs,anyone?Is anyone out there making ferrule plugs? If so, I'd love to see/hearwhat they look like. Here's a simple idea I came up with that involvesnothing more than turning a small piece of bamboo blank: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/TwoTone/images/fplug.jpg What are others doing? Comments? This may be a dumb question, but why would one use ferrule plugs? I>can see the use to keep dirt out, but if the rod is inside it's rodsock and also inside a rod case (tube), why would it be needed? Isthe female ferrule soft enough it easily deforms? Why would peoplewant a ferrule plug for a cane rod and not for a graphite orfiberglas rod? Thanks,Claude from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 08:41:09 2001 f0REf7e22081 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:41:07 +0800 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:41:05 +0800 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? It just doesn't make any sense to put the butt ferrule down does it. Aboutthe *only* benefit would be the rod sock can be made more narrow but that'sa very slight advantage. Tony At 07:31 AM 1/27/01 -0700, channer wrote:Bob;I suppose that I am the only guy in the country who advocates putting acane rod in it's bag and tube with the reel seat DOWN. It never has madeany sense to me to put the most fragile part of the butt section whereit is most likely to get damaged and I think that if the tube getsdamaged enough to harm the rod's tip, then having that cork next to itain't gonna help a bit. Another thing, I've had so many old rods come tome with wicked sets in the tip right where the string goes around therod, typically right below the grip, that I ask the owners if they willlet me cut the @#$%^ strings off their rodbags. I know there is a longtradition of grip up and tie the strings, but I like to let common senseprevail over tradition when neccessary. On the other hand, if I thoughtthat a rod should go in it's tube with the grip up, then I would fordarn sure make plugs for every rod and try to figure out a away that therod wouldn't go in the bag without it!John /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from richjez@enteract.com Sat Jan 27 08:59:35 2001 f0RExZe22497 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair --=====================_4667330==_.ALT No, that was how long I was gone form home, not bladder size. No bragginghere.Rich At 12:17 AM 1/27/01, Richard R. Dutcher wrote:I am not so impressed with the floating beard hair as I am with notusing the bathroom in fourteen hours. I have not made it that long in years.Excuse me, I have to go. DickRichard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message -----From: Rich Jezioro mcdowellc@lanecc.edu ;Rod Makers List ServeSent: Friday, January 26, 2001 8:16 PMSubject: RE: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair OK, what about beard hair from a human. It is a renewable resource. Itrimmed my beard this morning and threw the trimmings in the toilet. 14hours later I used that bathroom again and found that hair still floating. Rich Jezioro At 09:38 AM 1/26/01, Grombacher, Alan wrote: Chris/Bob, Bear works great for flies. Here are some; the black nose dace patternandlots of salmon flies (the black bear and the green butt skunk too name acouple). I have black, blond, and brown blackbear hair and polar. Itmakesgreat hair wing material. But for tailing on dryflies like the moosetailadam, stick with moose mane. You can buy bear hair in a few places. In Canada, the wholesaler(Superfly)carries it I think. Back when I was in the lower 48, Herters ofyesteryearand Cold Spring Anglers (I think they are still kicking) carried it.Taxidermy shops are great places to get bear hair. Check with yourlocaltaxidermists, especially in the Upper Midwest and out West. If you have some raw bloody hide - just scrape it good and salt it withcanning salt - then it should store well after a couple a coating ofsalt todraw out the moisture. All this talk of bears, makes we want the spring to come. Bull troutandbears; a good way to spend the spring. If you have the whole bear keep the bear fat - it makes great piecrusts,soap, gun oil, and lubricants. Alberta Al -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Chris... Are you the one that stole my pet bear? My wolf misses him.Please return his nose so the wolf pup can nuzzle to him...Seriously, never have thought about black bear hair, but the stifffibers might make good replacements for moose mane for tail fibersandantennae. Later,BobPS: Waiting to hear where you got black bear hair???? -----Original Message-----From: Christopher McDowell Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:44 PMSubject: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Can Black Bear hair be used in fly tying, and if so what patterns couldyouuse it for? How does the hide need to be treated to be used for tying?Canit just be scraped, dried and cut into squares? Chris *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > / \ > >))):> *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > ))):>-- =====================_4667330==_.ALT No, that was how long I was gone form home, not bladdersize. No bragging here.Rich At 12:17 AM 1/27/01, Richard R. Dutcher wrote: withthe floating beard hair as I am with notusing the bathroom in fourteen hours. I have not made it that long inyears.Excuse me, I have to go. DickRichard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com mcdowellc@lanecc.edu ;Rod Makers List Serve resource. Itrimmed my beard this morning and threw the trimmings in the toilet.14hours later I used that bathroom again and found that hair stillfloating. black nose dace patternand butt skunk too name a makes dryflies like the moosetail Canada, the wholesaler(Superfly) 48, Herters ofyesteryear kicking) carried it. local West. and salt it with couple a coating ofsalt to and makes great piecrusts, My wolf misses him. him... thoughtabout black bear hair, but the stiff fortail fibers and hair???? so what patterns couldyou to be used for tying?Can *_____________ ___________________) / @/ ||/ ____/||_________________________________________ || /\ bsp; *_____________ ___________________) @/ ||/ ____/||_________________________________________ p;/\ ; / bsp; --=====================_4667330==_.ALT-- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sat Jan 27 09:55:25 2001 f0RFtNe23375 ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:54:12 -0500 Subject: ferrule plugs and ferrule cutters If you make you female section 2/64s over, you can make great hardwood ferrule plugs from hardwood dowels with Dave's ferrule station cutters. Or even just use cheap dowels for plugs to use when dipping. Having fun with these things today.Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from flytyr@southshore.com Sat Jan 27 10:35:22 2001 f0RGZLe23935 Subject: Re: Sv: Wandering Tools Well now listen to this,When Freddy? Harry?? posted last night that he was Freddy and had the Parabuttsection, I sent a message telling him to send it to you cause I has alreadymade anew butt section. The message came back to me that it was undeliverabledue towording about sending the message. Maybe Harry is Freddy or Freddy isHarry or OrOr Or.I will Fwd the return message to both you and Harry?, Freddy? and you guyscanfigure it out,Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Carsten Jorgensen wrote: Tony But(t) ofcourse it is the truth.You would not dream of tellinga story not being 100 percent truthful?I mean, one fisherman to the other...... regards, Carsten P.S. Could You ask Freddy to deliverthe butt section to me - am doing 2 parasright now, and all help would be appreciated. ----- Original Message -----From: Tony Spezio Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:37 PMSubject: Re: Wandering Tools I have a ghost named Freddy. Last week he stole awhole butt section for a Para15. Have not found it so I had to make a new one..This is the truth.Tony Flytyr@southshore.com SteVe Cook wrote: I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which havealreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools 'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in thewashingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than the above,andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; 'Have yougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts;bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other large objects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quiteamazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to be fullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from dannyt@frisurf.no Sat Jan 27 10:59:28 2001 f0RGxRe24368 +0100 (MET)User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: Lathe Spindle Holes On small lath with spindle holes to small, will it be possible to bore/turnit bigger? danny from darrell@rockclimbing.org Sat Jan 27 11:34:47 2001 f0RHYke24906 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Ferrule plugs, anyone? I have a few OLD rods that came with ferrule plugs... a Izaak Walton fromthe 1900's and a Montague Manitou from the 1920's and I'd have to say thatthe excellent fit of the ferrules to this day may be in part attributed tothe ferrule plugs keeping out the air and other gremlins of the femaleferrules. The plugs are made of NS so no shriveling of wood or the like. Darrell -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Hi SteveI make ferrule plugs for my rods. I make them fromthe leftover blank. You can see them on my web page.As for the reason people make them. They look REALLY COOL! Other thanthat Iguess they are for keeping dirt out of the female ferrule.Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html----- Original Message ----- Subject: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Is anyone out there making ferrule plugs? If so, I'd love to see/hearwhat they look like. Here's a simple idea I came up with that involvesnothing more than turning a small piece of bamboo blank: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/TwoTone/images/fplug.jpg What are others doing? Comments? --Steve from bhoy551@earthlink.net Sat Jan 27 12:49:39 2001 f0RInce26302 KAA15344; Subject: Re: Lathe Spindle Holes At 11:57 AM 1/27/01, Danny Twang wrote:On small lath with spindle holes to small, will it be possible to bore/turnit bigger? danny I have been researching the chinese mini lathes. There are a number of excellent websites devoted to these machines, and a very active news group. I ran across a reference at http://www.mini-lathe.com/index.htm that says you can safely ream out the bore of a 7x10 or 7X12 to 13/16" This is one of the few instances of using a machine to modify itself that I have ever run across. I can't vouch for this information. I've never used a lathe, never even examined one closely and know next to nothing about machining. But I'm very tempted by these machines for their capabilities (after tuning) and cost. Bill Hoy from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Jan 27 13:14:49 2001 f0RJEme26927 Subject: RE: Ferrule plugs, anyone?/don't lose them List,When I take my ferrule plugs out of my rods I put them in the reel bag and have never lost one in 30 years. I have a certain ritual every time I go fishing and when I come back I do it in reverse. Saves a lot of heart ache from lost stuff. How many of you guys know someone or have done ityourself where you put something on the roof of the car and drive off and forgetabout it? Five miles down the road s--t my reel!!!!!!!!!Bret from bhoy551@earthlink.net Sat Jan 27 13:33:32 2001 f0RJXVe27293 LAA27693; Subject: RE: Ferrule plugs, anyone?/don't lose them At 02:14 PM 1/27/01, Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote:List,When I take my ferrule plugs out of my rods I put them in the reel bagand have never lost one in 30 years. I have a certain ritual every time I gofishing and when I come back I do it in reverse. Saves a lot of heart ache from lost stuff. How many of you guys know someone or have done ityourselfwhere you put something on the roof of the car and drive off and forgetaboutit? Five miles down the road s--t my reel!!!!!!!!!BretTry Nikon fm2. I looked in the rearview and saw it bouncing down the side of the road. Scratched a bit, and the lens ring was bent, but no other damage. One of my few life rules from then on: NEVER put anything on the roof of your car.Bill from Troutgetter@aol.com Sat Jan 27 13:46:13 2001 f0RJkCe27675 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: It Flushes?Mike from SWSnead@aol.com Sat Jan 27 14:20:19 2001 f0RKKJe28463 Subject: London I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week and was wondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmaking that I should see while I'm there. from SWSnead@aol.com Sat Jan 27 14:22:58 2001 f0RKMve28688 Subject: London Hit the send button too soon!!! I have been lurking here for quite some time and appreciate all the info ThanksSam from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Sat Jan 27 14:51:32 2001 f0RKpVe29483 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:51:31 +0000 Subject: Re: London I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall would beworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows at No 5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week and waswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmaking that Ishould see while I'm there. from martinj@aa.net Sat Jan 27 15:09:18 2001 f0RL9He29933 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:09:15 -0800 Subject: RE: Lathe Spindle Holes yes providing there is enough "meat" on the main spindle. You have to becareful. sometimes it looks like there is plenty of diameter when there isan area that is cut down in the middle that has a smaller OD then what youmight see. I successfully cut mine out to 7/8 from 3/4 no problem. Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Lathe Spindle Holes On small lath with spindle holes to small, will it be possible to bore/turnit bigger? danny from rextutor@about.com Sat Jan 27 15:30:57 2001 f0RLUue00591 (NPlex 5.1.050) 2001 13:30:52 -0800 Subject: Re: London Farlows is closed on Sundays. But it is funto look at. RexSign up fora free About Email account at http://About.com from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jan 27 18:18:05 2001 f0S0I4e03520 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C0888D.70943020 Hey, Don I'll trade you all three rolls of your tape back in return for the Par =16 taper. M-D Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:24 PMSubject: Re: Wandering Tools Would whoever took my plastic package sealing tape please put it where = looking so I can send out a package! I have three rolls and at least = ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C0888D.70943020 Hey, =Don I'll trade you all three = your tape back in return for the Par 16 taper. M-D ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 = PMSubject: Re: Wandering =ToolsWould = plastic package sealing tape please put it where I'm looking so I = out a package! I have three rolls and at least let me find one of = ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C0888D.70943020-- from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jan 27 18:33:55 2001 f0S0Xte04119 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools I have maybe 3 dozen vintage 8-track tapes. Just imagine the ambiance onecould create in the shop with all that. Makes me want to bang my headagainst the wall just thinking about it. M-D ----- Original Message ----- Tony,So sorry to hear of your loss ... would you, perhaps, be interested in afineMarantz 8 track player? In a message dated 1/26/2001 7:12:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: was my last of the American Maranz stereo turn table. I was almost intimeto save it too. >> from Lazybee45@aol.com Sat Jan 27 18:45:36 2001 f0S0jZe04567 Subject: planing forms I got my maple for the planing forms today. My friend was going to rip it to size on his table saw (his other hobby is furnature making!) Unfortunately he is down with the flu. So next week will have to do it. ANY idea out there for pitfalls to look out for? I will be willing to listen to any and all advice! I plan to cut the wood first, then obtain the bolts and do my ajustment points every 5 inches. Dows that sound workable?mark from harms1@pa.net Sat Jan 27 18:54:17 2001 f0S0sGe04879 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:54:04 -0500 Subject: Re: London This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C0889A.C2E98980 if you are interested in gunmakers I can give you six or eight =references to the finest makers in the world. cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ Subject: London wondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmaking = should see while I'm there. ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C0889A.C2E98980 Take = copy of The Best of The in world. cheers, =Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click = Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/----- Original = From: = Sent: Saturday,= 3:20 PM London will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week and was = wondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmaking that = ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C0889A.C2E98980-- from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jan 27 18:58:44 2001 f0S0whe05119 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Tony, No, no, no. Where you are is "down Under". Where we are, is either "up Over"or if you're in the South it would be "up Yonder". I, too, put my rods inthe bag, and in the tube, reel seat first. We use silk only because it's theright thing to do. Can anyone imagine a plastic Rolex? Or a compactCadillac? Yeah, I know, there was the Cimmaron. Anybody remember those?Getthe point? M-D I think it's tradition as well as being useful but I never saw the usefulside of it until I visited "down Under" and went to Greyling and saw theway everybody puts their rods ferrule down into the rod bag. Doing it thisway means you need to ensure the ferrule doesn't sustain damage whenit'staken out of the rod tube and placed end down. I put my butt section reelseat down so this isn't an issue.Must be a cultural thing I guess.I think the silk is also in that catagory because it not only looks goodthough it's a hasle colour preserving wise but it wont put dents into thebamboo as nylon will caused by the nylon being stretched when wraped andshrinking again on the rod. Silk doesn't stretch so wont shrink. Tony At 06:12 PM 1/26/01 -0500, Steve Zimmerman wrote:From: "Claude Freaner" This may be a dumb question, but why would one use ferrule plugs? Ican see the use to keep dirt out, but if the rod is inside it's rodsock and also inside a rod case (tube), why would it be needed? Isthe female ferrule soft enough it easily deforms? Why would peoplewant a ferrule plug for a cane rod and not for a graphite orfiberglas rod? Good question. You'd have to agree, though, that *much* of the bamboorodbuilding craft is for show rather than for utility. Why do we use silkinstead of nylon or varnish instead of epoxy, for example? --Steve from harms1@pa.net Sat Jan 27 19:02:37 2001 f0S12ae05366 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:01:18 -0500 "Rodmakers" Subject: Re: London This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C0889B.ADB67C20 Yep, you can go to Hardy's and Farlows in Pall Mall and you'll see a lot =of really top-end gear. No doubt about it. But as to rods, it's not =likely you'll see anything of interest at all. Pick up a Hardy "Flyweight" and a "Featherweight" while you're there, =and don't forget that when you subtract the VAT, your cost comes down to=peanuts. cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ Subject: Re: London I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall would beworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows at No =5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week and =waswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmaking =that Ishould see while I'm there. ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C0889B.ADB67C20 Yep, you can goto = at all. Pick up a Hardy "Flyweight"= "Featherweight" while you're there, and don't forget that when you = VAT, your cost comes down to peanuts. cheers, =Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click = Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/----- Original = From: Sent: Saturday,= 3:50 PM London would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall would = ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C0889B.ADB67C20-- from harms1@pa.net Sat Jan 27 19:03:31 2001 f0S13Ue05482 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:02:22 -0500 "Rodmakers" Subject: Re: London This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C0889B.D823B0E0 Yep, you can go to Hardy's and Farlows in Pall Mall and you'll see a lot =of really top-end gear. No doubt about it. But as to rods, it's not =likely you'll see anything of interest at all. Pick up a Hardy "Flyweight" and a "Featherweight" while you're there, =and don't forget that when you subtract the VAT, your cost comes down to=peanuts. cheers, Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ Subject: Re: London I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall would beworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows at No =5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week and =waswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmaking =that Ishould see while I'm there. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C0889B.D823B0E0 Yep, you can goto = at all. Pick up a Hardy "Flyweight"= "Featherweight" while you're there, and don't forget that when you = VAT, your cost comes down to peanuts. cheers, =Bill -----------------------------------------------------Click = Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/----- Original = From: Sent: Saturday,= 3:50 PM London would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall would = ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C0889B.D823B0E0-- from JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 27 19:08:35 2001 f0S18Ye05827 ;Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:08:30 +0000 Subject: Hock blades Darrell:Why won't you answer my E-mails??? Jack from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jan 27 19:15:49 2001 f0S1Fme06115 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Shawn, The Brits never *really* did this themselves. What you are seeing is that"different" sense of humour that they have. They're merely extending it tothe rest of the world without bothering to tell us. You hold his horns, I'lldo the cuttin'. M-D ----- Original Message ----- I have some older British patterns that call for, get this..... GOATSCROTUMHAIR!!!!! Who here on the list is brave enough to go clip us some??? Shawn ;^) from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jan 27 19:22:24 2001 f0S1MNe06352 Subject: Re: Lathe Spindle Holes Yes. Center the tailstock properly and use a reamer -- slow speed, profuseamounts of cutting oil. M-D ----- Original Message ----- On small lath with spindle holes to small, will it be possible tobore/turnit bigger? danny from anglport@con2.com Sat Jan 27 19:27:01 2001 f0S1R0e06553 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair C'mon guys,You all know why the pink fox(vixen)belly for the Hendrickson is pink andwhere it comes from don't you? Heck, one man's fetish is another man'sfancy!Art At 07:13 PM 01/27/2001 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote:Shawn, The Brits never *really* did this themselves. What you are seeing is that"different" sense of humour that they have. They're merely extending it tothe rest of the world without bothering to tell us. You hold his horns, I'lldo the cuttin'. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Shawn Pineo" I have some older British patterns that call for, get this..... GOATSCROTUMHAIR!!!!! Who here on the list is brave enough to go clip us some??? Shawn ;^) from Lazybee45@aol.com Sat Jan 27 19:31:09 2001 f0S1V9e06833 Subject: odd rods While perusing things at Wal-Mart this afternoon I wandered across ashopping basket with several "Complete Fly fishing Outfit" packages by Johnson (made in Tiwan and china) which contained a 6 piece 7 1/2 ft Glass rod, a reel, some leader, backing, level line (booo) and a bunch of really crummy flies (ask me how I know!) The price was $15!!! My wife (mean old woman) forbid my making a purchase, but if you check your local Wally World you might find a set for this fairly bargain price! Use it to introduce a young friend to the sport, give him/her the rod and reel and get some cheap WF 4/5 line! tie some decent flies for them and have FUN!!!As for me, I bought a Lotto Ticket and plan to buy all the rods I can! (assuming that I win you see!) as well as a nice flying boat for those out of the way fishing trips!cheers!Mark from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Jan 27 19:48:29 2001 f0S1mSe07245 Subject: FLA Keys I will be in the FL Keys area in the last week of Feb/1st of March. Is there anyone in this area that is a rod maker and can anyone give me some ideasas to what I may be able to fish for then? I am hoping to get in at least 2-3 days of fishing. Also what flies should I tie/Bret from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jan 27 19:57:57 2001 f0S1vue07572 Subject: Re: London Sam, While you are at Hardy, ask the bunch of tight-lipped wankers for the JockScott taper. Send it to Paul. I'm sure he'll appreciate it. M-D ----- Original Message ----- I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall would beworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows at No 5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week and waswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmaking thatIshould see while I'm there. from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Jan 27 20:39:22 2001 f0S2dLe08339 Subject: Moisie River Quebec List, Has anyone ever fished the Moisie River in Quebec and if so can you give me any information on it? I am planning a trip to Quebec this summer and I was hoping to go someplace else besides tha Matapedia this year. The Matapedia is a great river to fish but I have heard some people mention the Moisie so I thought I would look into it. Any suggestions on flies would also be appreciated, patterns and sizes please. Bret from timklein@qwest.net Sat Jan 27 20:46:39 2001 f0S2kYe08581 (63.225.241.201) Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? I was always told the idea behind putting the ferrule side down for the buttwas so that you had the maximum diameter possible at both ends of the bag.That way, if so accidentally angle the bag as you're putting it in the tube,you'll be less likely to break a section. About the only time I flip the butt is if I've got a long walk ahead of mewith a two piece rod. I'll go ahead and leave the rod in the tube forprotection, but since I tend to use the tube as a walking stick a little, Idon't want the ferrule banging against the bottom of the tube. Traveling in the car though, my tubes always lie flat. It doesn't seem tomatter which end is up in this situation, so my "maximum diameter" theoryrules. ---Tim ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? It just doesn't make any sense to put the butt ferrule down does it. Aboutthe *only* benefit would be the rod sock can be made more narrow butthat'sa very slight advantage. Tony At 07:31 AM 1/27/01 -0700, channer wrote:Bob;I suppose that I am the only guy in the country who advocates putting acane rod in it's bag and tube with the reel seat DOWN. It never has madeany sense to me to put the most fragile part of the butt section whereit is most likely to get damaged and I think that if the tube getsdamaged enough to harm the rod's tip, then having that cork next to itain't gonna help a bit. Another thing, I've had so many old rods come tome with wicked sets in the tip right where the string goes around therod, typically right below the grip, that I ask the owners if they willlet me cut the @#$%^ strings off their rodbags. I know there is a longtradition of grip up and tie the strings, but I like to let common senseprevail over tradition when neccessary. On the other hand, if I thoughtthat a rod should go in it's tube with the grip up, then I would fordarn sure make plugs for every rod and try to figure out a away that therod wouldn't go in the bag without it!John /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ from dpvbkjs@somtel.com Sat Jan 27 20:57:47 2001 f0S2vke08952 Subject: Re: FLA Keys We'd be curious, too, as to any rodmakers on the Gulf side from Ft. Myersdown. Kathy and David from flyfishing.guide@about.com Sat Jan 27 21:03:33 2001 f0S33Xe09202 (24.112.196.102) , Subject: RE: Moisie River Quebec I have never fished it. You might want to try contacting Jean-Guy Cote ofUNI Products (www.uniproducts.com). He is a great guy, and lives in Quebec,and I am sure will help you out. Ian H. ScottICQ # 27933066 Fly Fishing Links and Resourceshttp://flyfishing.about.com/ ********************************************"Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps andhornets break through"- Jonathan Swift -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Grhghlndr@aol.comSent: January 27, 2001 9:38 PM rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Moisie River Quebec List, Has anyone ever fished the Moisie River in Quebec and if socan you giveme any information on it? I am planning a trip to Quebec thissummer and Iwas hoping to go someplace else besides tha Matapedia this year. TheMatapedia is a great river to fish but I have heard some peoplemention theMoisie so I thought I would look into it. Any suggestions on flies wouldalso be appreciated, patterns and sizes please. Bret from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 21:37:06 2001 f0S3b4e09793 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:36:49 +0800 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:36:46 +0800 Subject: RE: Ferrule plugs, anyone?/don't lose them While working at mineral exploration in far North-West of Queensland on aparticually stinking hot day I was driving one of the blokes by the name ofDave I was working with back to camp in the back tray of a long wheel baseLand Cruiser. If you don't know them they have a savage backlash overbumpsif you take them too fast. I bounced Dave out of the back of the cruiserwithout knowing it. The drive to camp took over 2 hrs from the drill pad itbeing a dozed track all the way, after a beer or two we noticed Dave wasmissing so I drove back looking for him. Found him almost as far back asthe work site, wound down my window and and asked if he'd decided to walkback instead?Dave without a word punched me in the nose. I wound up the window, let himget in the back and drove back slowly :-) Tony At 02:30 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Bill Hoy wrote:At 02:14 PM 1/27/01, Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote:List,When I take my ferrule plugs out of my rods I put them in the reel bagand have never lost one in 30 years. I have a certain ritual every timeI gofishing and when I come back I do it in reverse. Saves a lot of heart ache from lost stuff. How many of you guys know someone or have done ityourselfwhere you put something on the roof of the car and drive off and forgetaboutit? Five miles down the road s--t my reel!!!!!!!!!BretTry Nikon fm2. I looked in the rearview and saw it bouncing down the side of the road. Scratched a bit, and the lens ring was bent, but no other damage. One of my few life rules from then on: NEVER put anything on the roof of your car.Bill /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 21:37:50 2001 f0S3bme09911 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:37:48 +0800 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:37:47 +0800 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 21:50:04 2001 f0S3o2e10369 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:50:01 +0800 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:49:58 +0800 Subject: Re: London "and Collecting" You have such an elegant way with words :-))))) Tony At 07:40 PM 1/27/01 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote:Sam, While you are at Hardy, ask the bunch of tight-lipped wankers for the JockScott taper. Send it to Paul. I'm sure he'll appreciate it. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "paul.blakley" I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall would beworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows at No 5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week and waswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmaking thatIshould see while I'm there. /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from flyfish@defnet.com Sat Jan 27 21:50:40 2001 f0S3oee10488 Subject: Rattan Grips This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0884E.A1706C20 Anyone out there doing rattan grips?I could use some suggestions on what type of rattan.The type of glue used, anything.I've already done two grips as experiments, They look good but just not =classic looking like the old makers.Is just time that gives them that look or is it a technique?I like what the guy from Kaneklassics is doing.Is anyone else doing the same? The ones I've donelook like I tried to hard to make them look antique.If you know what I mean LOLTony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0884E.A1706C20 Anyone out there doing rattan grips?I could use some suggestions on what type of rattan.The type of glue used, anything.I've already done two grips as experiments, They look good but just = classic looking like the old makers.Is just time that gives them that look or is it a technique?I like what the guy from Kaneklassics is doing. If you know what I mean LOLTony Millerwww.homestead.com/=bambooshop/home.html ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0884E.A1706C20-- from cadams46@juno.com Sat Jan 27 21:58:51 2001 f0S3woe10909 22:58:41 EST Subject: Finish Techniques I've been thinking about changing my finishing method lately. Have justbeen rubing on Forby's but got to thinking about either a dip tube orImpregnation. I'd really like to try impregnation but looking in thearchives I couldn't seem to find any concocktion to do it with? What doyou guys think? Dip or impreg? I do only have about 8' of ceiling roomto work with so I can't do an elaborate dip system. ThanksSincerely,C.R. Adams from cmj@post11.tele.dk Sat Jan 27 22:03:39 2001 f0S43de11127 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:03:39 +0100 Subject: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair f0S43de11128 Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ from flyfish@defnet.com Sat Jan 27 22:07:10 2001 f0S479e11373 Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:19:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Finish Techniques You can make a finish tube from PVC and use a pulley from your local hardware store. Then just add a cheap fly reel as asubstitute for a motor and finally nylon cord and a clothes pin . As simpleas it gets.Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.htmlflyfish@defnet.com----- Original Message ----- Subject: Finish Techniques I've been thinking about changing my finishing method lately. Have justbeen rubing on Forby's but got to thinking about either a dip tube orImpregnation. I'd really like to try impregnation but looking in thearchives I couldn't seem to find any concocktion to do it with? What doyou guys think? Dip or impreg? I do only have about 8' of ceiling roomto work with so I can't do an elaborate dip system. ThanksSincerely,C.R. Adams from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 22:14:15 2001 f0S4EDe11711 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:14:09 +0800 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:14:08 +0800 Subject: Re: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair f0S4EEe11712 Hang on, I'm loosing the plot here. You mean you guys wash your feet inwhat we use to keep our socks and undies? ;-) At 05:11 AM 1/28/01 +0100, Carsten Jorgensen wrote:Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from teekay35@interlynx.net Sat Jan 27 22:16:51 2001 f0S4Gpe11901 ,, Subject: Re: Moisie River Quebec Try talking to Wye Yoshida, owner of the Anglers Roost fly shop inPointe- Claire, Quebec, 514-457-0601. Wye is an enthusiastic salmonfisher and knows the Quebec rivers and what is likely to be available whenyou arrive. ----------From: Flyfishing Guide rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Moisie River QuebecDate: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:02 PM I have never fished it. You might want to try contacting Jean-Guy CoteofUNI Products (www.uniproducts.com). He is a great guy, and lives inQuebec,and I am sure will help you out. Ian H. ScottICQ # 27933066 Fly Fishing Links and Resourceshttp://flyfishing.about.com/ ********************************************"Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps andhornets break through"- Jonathan Swift -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Grhghlndr@aol.comSent: January 27, 2001 9:38 PM rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Moisie River Quebec List, Has anyone ever fished the Moisie River in Quebec and if socan you giveme any information on it? I am planning a trip to Quebec thissummer and Iwas hoping to go someplace else besides tha Matapedia this year. TheMatapedia is a great river to fish but I have heard some peoplemention theMoisie so I thought I would look into it. Any suggestions on flieswouldalso be appreciated, patterns and sizes please. Bret from Troutgetter@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:24:54 2001 f0S4Ore12222 Subject: Re: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu f0S4Ore12223 So... my missing sock got flushed?Mike In a message dated 1/27/2001 8:14:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike >> from lblan@provide.net Sat Jan 27 22:25:09 2001 f0S4P9e12251 Subject: RE: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair It has occurred to me that it is a good thing we all call fly rods by thesame name, or there would really be some interesting posts! I can see thismorphing into another "grits" thread any time now! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:15 PM Cc: avyoung@iinet.net.au; Troutgetter@aol.com; fbcwin@3g.quik.com;rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Sv: Non- rodmaking Bear Hair Hang on, I'm loosing the plot here. You mean you guys wash your feet inwhat we use to keep our socks and undies? ;-) At 05:11 AM 1/28/01 +0100, Carsten Jorgensen wrote:Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly andforget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ from cmj@post11.tele.dk Sat Jan 27 22:27:30 2001 f0S4RTe12609 ;Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:27:29 +0100 Subject: Sv: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair f0S4RTe12610 Tony, it appears so. Harry wrote: :-)))) Harry truly, he did.... makes one wonder, doesn`t it? Do they wash their feet AND socksat the same time? Yet another clever invention from our brethrenacross the pond? Sorts of mini-jacuzzi with drawers? This is mind-boglingindeed regards,carsten Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 27 22:35:05 2001 f0S4Z3e13048 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:35:04 +0800 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:35:02 +0800 Subject: Re: Sv: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair f0S4Z5e13049 :-))))) thump! At 05:35 AM 1/28/01 +0100, Carsten Jorgensen wrote:Tony, it appears so. Harry wrote: :-)))) Harry truly, he did.... makes one wonder, doesn`t it? Do they wash their feet AND socksat the same time? Yet another clever invention from our brethrenacross the pond? Sorts of mini-jacuzzi with drawers? This is mind-boglingindeed regards,carsten ;-) At 05:11 AM 1/28/01 +0100, Carsten Jorgensen wrote:Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 22:47:59 2001 f0S4lwe13415 2001 20:47:59 PST Subject: london, tight-lipped wankers tight-lipped wankers tight-lipped wankers tight-lipped wankers tight-lipped wankers i'm sorry! i just had to say that three or four times.:>) timothy ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 22:55:49 2001 f0S4tme13691 2001 20:55:49 PST Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? you know? i put some of the new high tech foam in bothends of my tube. timothy --- Tim Klein wrote:I was always told the idea behind putting theferrule side down for the buttwas so that you had the maximum diameter possible atboth ends of the bag.That way, if so accidentally angle the bag as you'reputting it in the tube,you'll be less likely to break a section. About the only time I flip the butt is if I've got along walk ahead of mewith a two piece rod. I'll go ahead and leave therod in the tube forprotection, but since I tend to use the tube as awalking stick a little, Idon't want the ferrule banging against the bottom ofthe tube. Traveling in the car though, my tubes always lieflat. It doesn't seem tomatter which end is up in this situation, so my"maximum diameter" theoryrules. ---Tim ----- Original Message -----From: Tony Young Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 7:42 AMSubject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? It just doesn't make any sense to put the buttferrule down does it. Aboutthe *only* benefit would be the rod sock can bemade more narrow butthat'sa very slight advantage. Tony At 07:31 AM 1/27/01 -0700, channer wrote:Bob;I suppose that I am the only guy in the countrywho advocates putting acane rod in it's bag and tube with the reel seatDOWN. It never has madeany sense to me to put the most fragile part ofthe butt section whereit is most likely to get damaged and I think thatif the tube getsdamaged enough to harm the rod's tip, then havingthat cork next to itain't gonna help a bit. Another thing, I've hadso many old rods come tome with wicked sets in the tip right where thestring goes around therod, typically right below the grip, that I askthe owners if they willlet me cut the @#$%^ strings off their rodbags. Iknow there is a longtradition of grip up and tie the strings, but Ilike to let common senseprevail over tradition when neccessary. On theother hand, if I thoughtthat a rod should go in it's tube with the gripup, then I would fordarn sure make plugs for every rod and try tofigure out a away that therod wouldn't go in the bag without it!John /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at:www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will thinknarrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actualencounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from drinkr@voicenet.com Sat Jan 27 23:10:13 2001 f0S5ACe14085 (207.103.93.68) Subject: Ferrule Station Cutters This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C088BE.91B9A380 Like Bob I spent the better part of today playing with Dave LeClair'sstation cutters. Time to rewrite the books. Along with everyone else Imimpressed. The only disappointing aspect is that this is one tool Ididn't make myself. Ill suffer. It's probably to late to check but Ill beheading to the Fly Fishing Zoo tomorrow in Somerset, NJ and was wondering ifthere was anyone from the list there? Obviously Ted and Wayne havedecidedtoo stay away this year ......smart folks. David Rinker> from stuart.rod@gmx.de Sun Jan 28 03:38:05 2001 f0S9c4e16842 Subject: Re: London hey Jojo, Did you have some earth shattering experience with hardys? come on youcan tellus, we're all friends here. Stuart Jojo DeLancier wrote: Sam, While you are at Hardy, ask the bunch of tight-lipped wankers for the JockScott taper. Send it to Paul. I'm sure he'll appreciate it. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "paul.blakley" I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall would beworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows at No 5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week and waswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmakingthatIshould see while I'm there. from cmj@post11.tele.dk Sun Jan 28 03:50:27 2001 f0S9oQe17117 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:50:26 +0100 Subject: Sv: London f0S9oRe17120 Let me guess. He asked them for a Para 16 taper,andthey clearly misunderstood. Jo-Jo-??? regards,carsten ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: London hey Jojo, Did you have some earth shattering experience with hardys? come on youcan tellus, we're all friends here. Stuart Jojo DeLancier wrote: Sam, While you are at Hardy, ask the bunch of tight-lipped wankers for theJockScott taper. Send it to Paul. I'm sure he'll appreciate it. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "paul.blakley" I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall would beworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows at No 5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week and waswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmakingthatIshould see while I'm there. from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Jan 28 04:43:08 2001 f0SAh6e17608 f0SAgw604704; Subject: Re: Wandering Tools Organization: vet Let me add to the list, please. Spools of 2lb breaking strain trippet material are DEFINITELY the larvalform of big spools of 15lb Maxima; interestingly, during the metamorphosis,the spools inexplicably age by a few years. This is obviously naturecompensating for herself, as the stuff on the big spools is no stronger thanthe tippet material! I think it is a point worth pondering here, that "Metamorphosis" was writen Peter ----- Original Message ----- ; Subject: Re: Wandering Tools ? Intermittent Transdimensional Portals: This may be the one, for manyyearsI suffered from thesock issue in my home dryer. A couple of years ago I acquired aLaundromatwhich subsequentlyI have my rod shop attached to. When I purchased the laundry, I thoughtthatI would finallysolve the misery of the socks only to find out that though one knows thatthey are missing they doleave the premises. I do however find a number of tools in the dryer'sfromtime to time, thesocks do not show up on my bench so there has to be a third Portalinvolved. Varnish and dryer sheets, as well as static electric questions may bedirected to me believe me Iam finally a pro at something. from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Jan 28 04:48:08 2001 f0SAm6e17813 f0SAlu605041; Subject: Re: Wandering Tools Organization: vet Tony Para 15, eh? More likely the ghost is named George! Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Wandering Tools I have a ghost named Freddy. Last week he stole awhole butt section for a Para15. Have not found it so I had to make a new one..This is the truth.Tony Flytyr@southshore.com SteVe Cook wrote: I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which havealreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools 'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in thewashingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than the above,andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; 'Haveyougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts; bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other large objects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quiteamazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to befullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Jan 28 04:56:08 2001 f0SAu6e18060 f0SAu2605561; Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? Organization: vet Claude You just don't get it, do you? You take one bamboo rod with two tips; you add one piece of bamboo tosupport the spare tip when it's alone in the bag; you add a bag; you add arod tube, and a cap for same. That's 7 (seven) things to buggerise about with. If you add a ferrule plug, that's EIGHT! You NASA guys, honestly. Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone? At 5:05 PM -0500 , 1/26/01, Steve Zimmerman wrote about Ferrule plugs,anyone?Is anyone out there making ferrule plugs? If so, I'd love to see/hearwhat they look like. Here's a simple idea I came up with that involvesnothing more than turning a small piece of bamboo blank: http://www.hamiltonrods.com/TwoTone/images/fplug.jpg What are others doing? Comments? This may be a dumb question, but why would one use ferrule plugs? Ican see the use to keep dirt out, but if the rod is inside it's rodsock and also inside a rod case (tube), why would it be needed? Isthe female ferrule soft enough it easily deforms? Why would peoplewant a ferrule plug for a cane rod and not for a graphite orfiberglas rod? Thanks,Claude from cmj@post11.tele.dk Sun Jan 28 05:19:36 2001 f0SBJZe18421 ;Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:19:35 +0100 Subject: Sv: Wandering Tools f0SBJae18422 Yup, Peter is right. That guy Kafka did several books on terrestrialsand their weird behaviour. regards,carsten ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Wandering Tools Let me add to the list, please. Spools of 2lb breaking strain trippet material are DEFINITELY the larvalform of big spools of 15lb Maxima; interestingly, during themetamorphosis,the spools inexplicably age by a few years. This is obviously naturecompensating for herself, as the stuff on the big spools is no strongerthanthe tippet material! I think it is a point worth pondering here, that "Metamorphosis" was writen Peter ----- Original Message -----From: "Ronnie L. Rees" ; Cc: "Rodmakers" Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 1:50 AMSubject: Re: Wandering Tools ? Intermittent Transdimensional Portals: This may be the one, for manyyearsI suffered from thesock issue in my home dryer. A couple of years ago I acquired aLaundromatwhich subsequentlyI have my rod shop attached to. When I purchased the laundry, I thoughtthatI would finallysolve the misery of the socks only to find out that though one knowsthatthey are missing they doleave the premises. I do however find a number of tools in the dryer'sfromtime to time, thesocks do not show up on my bench so there has to be a third Portalinvolved. Varnish and dryer sheets, as well as static electric questions may bedirected to me believe me Iam finally a pro at something. from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Jan 28 05:28:18 2001 f0SBSGe18638 f0SBSB608193; Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Organization: vet Carsten Yes, but it DOES explain a few of tony Young's missing items, doesn't it? Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 28 06:07:47 2001 f0SC7ke19068 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:07:32 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Lathe Spindle Holes Jeff,I have a small Jet lathe and intend to ream the hole out a little, I amactually going to contact the manufacturer first and see what they wouldrecommend asto max. size I could safely bore to. If this fails I may rip the thing apart to dosome measuring first.I hear some of the spindles are actually hourglass shaped so be carefulifyou bore, the replacement parts for these things are NOT cheap.Shawn Jeff Ferguson wrote: I hate to beat the lathe topic to death, but I have one more question. Ihave narrowed my choice of lathes down to a few. The only problem is thehole through the spindle on all of them is .375". Is this hole large enoughto build trout rods up to 8.5'? I know the flat-to-flat butt dimensions onmost of the rods I want to build is about .375--the same dimension as thespindle hole. However, when turning a grip, a thinner part of the shaftwill be in the spindle, but is .375" large enough? Anyone have someexperienc/advice to offer?? Thanks in advance.... from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 28 06:35:53 2001 f0SCZqe19603 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:35:48 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs, anyone?/don't lose them Good thing it was a Nikon!! ;^)Shawn Try Nikon fm2. I looked in the rearview and saw it bouncing down the sideof the road. Scratched a bit, and the lens ring was bent, but no otherdamage.Bill from Lazybee45@aol.com Sun Jan 28 07:30:55 2001 f0SDUse20112 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair In a message dated 1/27/01 9:38:28 PM Central Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: And here I thought they were a dog water bowl! At least that is what my dog thinks!mark from briansr@point-net.com Sun Jan 28 07:34:47 2001 f0SDYke20304 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:34:18 -0500 , Subject: Re: Moisie River Quebec Hi BrettIf you're going to fish the Moisie you'll need one of three things,a boat ,acontact with a boat ,or lots of money(to fish the moisie fishing clubwaters the last decision you make after stepping off the helicpter from SeptIsles is whether you're Martini should be dry or not.I'd call Peter Farigo @Classic Angler 1-514-878-3474,fax 1-514-878-3472.He'll give you anHONESTanswer (he fishes there each year).He'd also tell you which flies to use,and also ask him which reel NOT to use.The Moisie is HUGE .In the uppersectors ,think of it as wide as from the west side of Heppel Pool on theMatapedia to up to the main road !!!!!!The lower waters are fished byanchoring in the river and "trolling" your fly behind the boat. Prime timeon the Moisie is early,real early.I don't know if any rods would be available in the ZEC pools at this time ofyear.If i was going to make a long distance trip to the North Shore IMHO I wouldmake the St.Jean(North Shore) my # 1 destination,St Paul-#2,Godbout#3,AuxRochers #4,Moisie #5,Trinity#6.(some would make the Trinity #1)Cheers Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Moisie River Quebec List, Has anyone ever fished the Moisie River in Quebec and if so can yougiveme any information on it? I am planning a trip to Quebec this summer andIwas hoping to go someplace else besides tha Matapedia this year. TheMatapedia is a great river to fish but I have heard some people mentiontheMoisie so I thought I would look into it. Any suggestions on flies wouldalso be appreciated, patterns and sizes please. Bret from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Jan 28 07:40:37 2001 f0SDeae20565 Troutgetter@aol.com, fbcwin@3g.quik.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Tony,Actually, we inventive Topsiders looked around the bedroom for someplace toput the Thunder Jug (Chambre Pot), having stepped in it once too often whilegetting out of bed, and noticed the commode. At first we only put it in thebottom drawer, but then, noticing the odor of our socks, we gave the pot itsown, smaller, commode, sometimes with washstand on top. Finally, somebrightfellow cut a hole in the shelf above the piss pot, hinged the rest of the"commode' to drop back, and the toilet seat was born.Alas, that great invention was overshadowed by Albert Gilbin's "SilentValveless Water Waste Preventer" (later marketed by Thomas Crapper), sotheBrits beat us out.Where, pray tell, do the Aussies keep the Thunder Jug?Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Tony Young wrote: Hang on, I'm loosing the plot here. You mean you guys wash your feet inwhat we use to keep our socks and undies? ;-) At 05:11 AM 1/28/01 +0100, Carsten Jorgensen wrote:Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ -- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sun Jan 28 07:47:43 2001 f0SDlge20813 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:46:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Ferrule Station Cutters HI David. I know few people going. I may go next year, but I can't really justify the expense.As far as the cutters go, it does seem rather inefficient and risky to do it the old way. Here's to progress...Best regards,Bob At 12:09 AM 1/28/2001 -0500, David Rinker wrote:Like Bob I spent the better part of today playing with Dave LeClair'sstation cutters. Time to rewrite the books. Along with everyone else Imimpressed. The only disappointing aspect is that this is one tool Ididn't make myself. Ill suffer. It's probably to late to check but Ill beheading to the Fly Fishing Zoo tomorrow in Somerset, NJ and was wonderingifthere was anyone from the list there? Obviously Ted and Wayne havedecidedtoo stay away this year ......smart folks.David Rinker Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sun Jan 28 07:52:30 2001 f0SDqTe21005 ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:51:30 -0500 Subject: list question I have been able to read the messages, but I have not been able to post since Friday night. Is this a common bug? Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from briansr@point-net.com Sun Jan 28 08:04:21 2001 f0SE4Ke21292 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 09:04:16 -0500 , Subject: Re: Moisie River Quebec BretI just realized ZEC waters are available !! You have to be a member of theL'ARPM(cost 30$ if I remember right).Write them @l"ARPM660 Boul. LaureSte 103Sept Iles Qc.Their draw for waters is on the 31 May.Cheers Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Moisie River Quebec List, Has anyone ever fished the Moisie River in Quebec and if so can yougiveme any information on it? I am planning a trip to Quebec this summer andIwas hoping to go someplace else besides tha Matapedia this year. TheMatapedia is a great river to fish but I have heard some people mentiontheMoisie so I thought I would look into it. Any suggestions on flies wouldalso be appreciated, patterns and sizes please. Bret from robert.warholm@home.com Sun Jan 28 08:16:13 2001 f0SEGCe22109 0800 Subject: Nodeless construction and Flaming This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C088FA.4C77E020 Looking at doing Nodeless construction to start building rods with =because I do not have the room to build an oven for heat treating right =now, hence I can use my wifes. However I am also interested in doing flamed rods - so my 1st question =is can one make nodeless rods from flamed cane or do the splice on these =look horrid or should one just do the most even flaming job possiable ( =not give the rod the mottled look) that many find attractive. (Sorry if this 2nd is a stupid Q) - once one has spliced there stips =together - can one do additional heat treatments to reduce strains and =warping or will the splicing glue let loose. If one can heat treat after =splicing - what is the recommend glue. Or are the strips just straight =enough that one really never would need to do this. Oh - and yes I =realize that I would need to build a full length oven to accomplish =this. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C088FA.4C77E020 Looking = Nodeless construction to start building rods with because I do not have = wifes. However = interested in doing flamed rods - so my 1st question is can one make = rods from flamed cane or do the splice on these look horrid or should = do the most even flaming job possiable ( not give the rod the mottled = many find attractive. (Sorry = additional heat treatments to reduce strains and warping or will the = glue let loose. If one can heat treat after splicing - what is the = glue. Or are the strips just straight enough that one really never would = do this. Oh - and yes I realize that I would need to build a full length = accomplish this. ThanksRob = ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C088FA.4C77E020-- from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Sun Jan 28 08:32:01 2001 f0SEVxe22532 (62.188.15.46) Subject: Re: list question Had the same problem myself - Thought it was due to a visitation from the'little people' (it wasn't me I only touched it a little bit) Hope thios gets through SteVe Cook ----- Original Message ----- Subject: list question I have been able to read the messages, but I have not been able to postsince Friday night. Is this a common bug? Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Jan 28 08:36:32 2001 f0SEaVe22766 Subject: The joys of ferrule cement I was faced yesterday with a rod with 11 loose ferrules. I starteddriving the pins in and then decided to see if the old ferrule cementhad anything left in it. Heating each ferrule over an alcohol lamp 'tilI heard bubbling, I found when they cooled, that all of them were astight as new. That saved me hours of finding, tapping, and drilling thepins. Try that with epoxy!Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sun Jan 28 09:05:05 2001 f0SF54e23303 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:04:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Nodeless construction and Flaming --=====================_1048842==_.ALT Hi Rob:I have flamed some nodeless rods, and I could never get the flaming even enough for my tastes. You will have to live with the results if you go this route. I like blonde rods anyway.I do no further heat treating after the initial home oven one because I use Tite Bond II for the splices. If you want to do both, I would try epoxy for the splices and strips. However, you are adding time to a process that is supposed to save time over traditional methods. I have recently found that I can split, straighten, flatten, and taper traditional strips much better and faster than nodeless ones. I am no longer going to offer any nodeless rods unless someone wants a blond one. Nodeless strips also don't allow you to soak strips for straightening and roughing. The results of this for me have just been awesome. In my mind, I cannot live in the constant fear that if I use too much heat a splice is going to explode.I know I may have discouraged you, and I will await the rebuttal from the "knotless" contingent on the list. I built 3 rods this week (sticks only, so far), and I have been really thinking about this a lot. I want to make some firm decisions, so that I don't start a rod wondering, "How should I do this one?"A cheap duct work heat oven is the way to go. You will need the heat gun Best regards,Bob At 07:16 AM 1/28/2001 -0700, Robert R. Warholm wrote:Looking at doing Nodeless construction to start building rods with because I do not have the room to build an oven for heat treating right now, hence I can use my wifes. However I am also interested in doing flamed rods - so my 1st question is can one make nodeless rods from flamed cane or do the splice on theselook horrid or should one just do the most even flaming job possiable ( not give the rod the mottled look) that many find attractive. (Sorry if this 2nd is a stupid Q) - once one has spliced there stips together - can one do additional heat treatments to reduce strains and warping or will the splicing glue let loose. If one can heat treat after splicing - what is the recommend glue. Or are the strips just straight enough that one really never would need to do this. Oh - and yes I realize that I would need to build a full length oven to accomplish this. ThanksRob W. Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_1048842==_.ALT Hi Rob:I have flamed some nodeless rods, and I could never get the flaming evenenough for my tastes. You will have to live with the results if you gothis route. I like blonde rods anyway.I do no further heat treating after the initial home oven one because Iuse Tite Bond II for the splices. If you want to do both, I would tryepoxy for the splices and strips. However, you are adding time to aprocess that is supposed to save time over traditional methods. I haverecently found that I can split, straighten, flatten, and tapertraditional strips much better and faster than nodeless ones. I am nolonger going to offer any nodeless rods unless someone wants a blond one.Nodeless strips also don't allow you to soak strips for straightening androughing. The results of this for me have just been awesome. In my mind,I cannot live in the constant fear that if I use too much heat a spliceis going to explode.I know I may have discouraged you, and I will await the rebuttal from the week (sticks only, so far), and I have been really thinking about this alot. I want to make some firm decisions, so that I don't start a rodwondering, "How should I do this one?" A cheap duct work heat oven is the way to go. You will need the heat gun Best regards,Bob At 07:16 AM 1/28/2001 -0700, Robert R. Warholm wrote:Lookingat doing Nodeless construction to start building rods with because I donot have the room to build an oven for heat treating right now, hence Ican use my wifes. However I am alsointerested in doing flamed rods - so my 1st question is can one makenodeless rods from flamed cane or do the splice on these look horrid orshould one just do the most even flaming job possiable ( not give the rodthe mottled look) that many find attractive. (Sorry if this 2nd is a additional heat treatments to reduce strains and warping or will thesplicing glue let loose. If one can heat treat after splicing - what isthe recommend glue. Or are the strips just straight enough that onereally never would need to do this. Oh - and yes I realize that I wouldneed to build a full length oven to accomplish this. Thanks Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_1048842==_.ALT-- from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Jan 28 09:07:45 2001 f0SF7de23492 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:07:39 +0800 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:07:37 +0800 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair f0SF7je23493 Yeah? What are you getting at Pete???? At 10:20 PM 1/28/01 +1100, petermckean wrote:Carsten Yes, but it DOES explain a few of tony Young's missing items, doesn't it? Peter----- Original Message -----From: "Carsten Jorgensen" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 3:11 PMSubject: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Jan 28 09:10:52 2001 f0SFAoe23716 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:10:50 +0800 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:10:49 +0800 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair A cultural thing no doubt. At 08:30 AM 1/28/01 -0500, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/27/01 9:38:28 PM Central Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: Tony And here I thought they were a dog water bowl! At least that is what mydog thinks!mark /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html "The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. " - Tom Clancy /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Jan 28 09:41:50 2001 f0SFfne24218 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:41:40 +0800 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:41:37 +0800 Subject: Re: Nodeless construction and Flaming Rob,nodeless rods can be problematical and may not be worth the hassle unlesseverything works perfectly which isn't really too hard to ensure if you thinkit's worth it.I've made quite a few nodeless rods and had no problems at all until every oneof a particular batch of glue failed (5 rods) which put me bit on edge. Theproblem was definitely with the glue but I wont go into it because I'm notcompletely sure of where the fault lay and I don't want to give a wrongimpression of the glue in question because it's an outstanding glue.I've made a few nodeless rods since this and two of them which are minehavebeen given a real workout and wont fail, no problem.The advantage of using the kitchen oven is a valid one which possiblyoutweighsother considerations. The other considerations are things like you can't expect a decent lookingflamed rod. Bamboo is much harder to plane after it's been heat treated than before. Heat straightening can be a real nightmare especially in the butt sectionwhereyou need to give a deep heat to be able to straighten as you can get poppingscarfs if you put too much heat on them. I use the same glue for the scarfsasthe splines which is prob the best unless you use a glue for the scarfsthat isless critical of heat than the glue you use for the splines.The problem is that even with very long scarfs the bond is not as good asthatalong the splines. If the glue is warmed enough to allow the splines to bemoved to allow straightening the scarves are beyond critical due to thembeingangled joints compared to the straight ones of the splines. Obviously itcan bedone as attested by the nodeless rods around but it takes care.There may be somebody out there who knows a solution to this. Cutting, planing scarfs and gluing them is a lot more work than filing thenodes. IMHO the only advantage to nodeless is the kitchen oven and the fact you canmake use of almost 100% of a culm. Tony At 07:16 AM 1/28/01 -0700, Robert R. Warholm wrote: Looking at doing Nodeless construction to start building rods with because Ido not have the room to build an oven for heat treating right now, hence Ican use my wifes. However I am also interested in doing flamed rods - so my 1st question iscanone make nodeless rods from flamed cane or do the splice on these lookhorridor should one just do the most even flaming job possiable ( not give the rodthe mottled look) that many find attractive. (Sorry if this 2nd is a stupid Q) - once one has spliced there stipstogether - can one do additional heat treatments to reduce strains andwarping or will the splicing glue let loose. If one can heat treat aftersplicing - what is the recommend glue. Or are the strips just straightenoughthat one really never would need to do this. Oh - and yes I realize that Iwould need to build a full length oven to accomplish this. ThanksRob W. /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Sun Jan 28 09:47:04 2001 f0SFkxe24476 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:46:44 +0000 Subject: Re: London MD was reitterating back to one of MY experiences with Hardy when I wastrying to track down the 'holy grail' of bait casting tapers.....TheJock Scot .I am still trying to loacte it after almost 18 months ofbegging, crawling , writing letters etc etc .MD has a similar vocation in his quest for the Para 16........Paul stuart moultrie wrote: hey Jojo, Did you have some earth shattering experience with hardys? come on youcan tellus, we're all friends here. Stuart Jojo DeLancier wrote: Sam, While you are at Hardy, ask the bunch of tight-lipped wankers for theJockScott taper. Send it to Paul. I'm sure he'll appreciate it. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "paul.blakley" I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall would beworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows at No 5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week and waswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing or rodmakingthatIshould see while I'm there. from steve@hamiltonrods.com Sun Jan 28 10:12:32 2001 f0SGCVe24969 Service Version 5.5.2448.0) Subject: Nyatex heat treating I build noded rods and use Nyatex epoxy as the glue. About eight rods ago, Ihappened to read in the Nyatex docs that came with the glue and found outthat you can heat-set the epoxy. So, since that time rather than wait acouple of days for the blank to set I've been putting the glued-up blankback in my heat oven immediately after gluing and straightening. Duringinitial heat treating, I leave the roughed strips in my duct oven for atotal of about 20- 25 minutes (10-12 minutes on each end), but to set theglue I only put the glued blank in for about 8 minutes (4 minutes on eachend). Just enough time to set the glue, not enough time to damage orsignificantly darken the blank. It works fabulously!! The blank is cured immediately. If I've been carefulto remove excess glue by hand and with vinegar while gluing up the blank,then as soon as the blank is no longer too hot to handle I can simply peelthe binding cord from the blank without having to sand it off. I can glue upa rod, heat treat it, and have it ready to varnish all in a single evening(just did it again last night). I've done this with eight rods now and havehad no problems whatsoever with spline separation. Am I crazy? Does anyone else do this? It's so incredibly fast and easy thatI can't imagine using any other type of glue. If anyone else is interested in trying this let me know and I'll post a fewtricks/gotchas to watch out for. --Steve from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Jan 28 10:18:23 2001 f0SGILe25249 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:18:20 +0800 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:18:18 +0800 Subject: Re: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Carsten =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgensen?=,Troutgetter@aol.com, fbcwin@3g.quik.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In the Thunder Box of course! ie. small building in the back yard,absolutely prime real estate for Red Back Spiders. But that was a while agonow.I hate to inflict you with yet another Dave story but you asked for it :-)You may remember Dave, he got bounced out of a Land Cruiser once. Samebloke I droped off at the top of a gully with a topo map this time at theother end of the country at a town called Jamison in the Victorian Alps. Iasked him to sample all the streams from the top where we we to thebottomof the gully where I'd pick him up in a few hrs after I did the same in thenext gully over.Several hrs passed and no Dave. I drove back to where I left him thinkingof broken legs and snakes etc only to find him sitting right where I lefthim. I asked as you would what he was doing and he told me I gave him thewrong map because none of the streams shown on the map matched thegully. Itook a look and found his "streams on the map" were the contour lines.True. Maybe cartographers shouldn't make contour lines in blue ink?What's this got to do with Thunder Jug? Later that night at the Jamison PubDave and I were playing all comers at Pub Pool. No money changes hands butthe loosers buy the winers a jug of beer. In the Northern Territory theloosers stand on the table with their pants droped. We call them pants heretoo.Dave wasted his entire youth playing pool and I fluked the occasion shotand we drank gallons of beer.I had enough and staggered to bed leaving the door open, me flat on my facewhen suddenly I needed to void the night's winnings the same way I drankthem. I knew I'd never make it to the bathroom at the end of the corridorso I used the jug in the room for boiling water for coffee.Dave called by my room on his way to his room, saw my open door and cameinthinking no doubt to make me feel more sick than I was already. Deciding Ineeded a cup of coffee and feeling the jug was full he switched it on. Bigmistake. It was ugly :-)Thunder Jug from Hell. Tony At 08:45 AM 1/28/01 -0500, reed curry wrote:Tony,Actually, we inventive Topsiders looked around the bedroom for someplace toput the Thunder Jug (Chambre Pot), having stepped in it once too oftenwhilegetting out of bed, and noticed the commode. At first we only put it in thebottom drawer, but then, noticing the odor of our socks, we gave the potitsown, smaller, commode, sometimes with washstand on top. Finally, somebrightfellow cut a hole in the shelf above the piss pot, hinged the rest of the"commode' to drop back, and the toilet seat was born.Alas, that great invention was overshadowed by Albert Gilbin's "SilentValveless Water Waste Preventer" (later marketed by Thomas Crapper), sotheBrits beat us out.Where, pray tell, do the Aussies keep the Thunder Jug?Best regards,Reed /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html You can always spot a pioneer, they're the ones with arrows in their backs /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Jan 28 10:19:35 2001 f0SGJXe25402 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:19:25 +0800 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:19:23 +0800 Subject: Re: Nyatex heat treating Shell Epon works better if heat cured too. Tony At 11:18 AM 1/28/01 -0500, Steve Zimmerman wrote:I build noded rods and use Nyatex epoxy as the glue. About eight rods ago, Ihappened to read in the Nyatex docs that came with the glue and found outthat you can heat-set the epoxy. So, since that time rather than wait acouple of days for the blank to set I've been putting the glued-up blankback in my heat oven immediately after gluing and straightening. Duringinitial heat treating, I leave the roughed strips in my duct oven for atotal of about 20-25 minutes (10-12 minutes on each end), but to set theglue I only put the glued blank in for about 8 minutes (4 minutes on eachend). Just enough time to set the glue, not enough time to damage orsignificantly darken the blank. It works fabulously!! The blank is cured immediately. If I've been carefulto remove excess glue by hand and with vinegar while gluing up the blank,then as soon as the blank is no longer too hot to handle I can simply peelthe binding cord from the blank without having to sand it off. I can glue upa rod, heat treat it, and have it ready to varnish all in a single evening(just did it again last night). I've done this with eight rods now and havehad no problems whatsoever with spline separation. Am I crazy? Does anyone else do this? It's so incredibly fast and easy thatI can't imagine using any other type of glue. If anyone else is interested in trying this let me know and I'll post a fewtricks/gotchas to watch out for. --Steve /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from jmk51@home.com Sun Jan 28 10:26:51 2001 f0SGQoe25822 0800 Subject: Books I have enjoyed reading about building a bamboo fly rod for about 25 years. Have finally decided that I'm not going to actually ever build one. I have some books for sale that folks on the list might like. I was unsure if pointers to the books at amazon was appropriate for the rodmakers digestor not. Any advice would be appreciated. Enjoyed the rodmakers digest...good group of people. Thanks...Jim Kohrs from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sun Jan 28 10:30:44 2001 f0SGUce26061 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:29:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Nyatex heat treating Yes please add to this. Thanks Steve. Great results.Bob Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from rsgould@cmc.net Sun Jan 28 10:35:17 2001 f0SGZGe26299 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair "Commode": one does need a place to store the chamber pot therein. Not agood spot for the tackle box.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Jan 28 10:46:42 2001 f0SGkfe26703 2001 08:46:43 PST Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair --- Ray Gould wrote:"Commode": one does need a place to store thechamber pot therein. Not agood spot for the tackle box. ...and yet, a good place to store my crappie flies! timothy ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Jan 28 10:56:54 2001 f0SGure27099 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:57:36 -0600 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools No, we made a Para 15 for George when he came upto visit me. Freddy stayed awaythat time I think. I might have to have Georgecome back and visit.Tony FlyTyr@sourtshore.com petermckean wrote: Tony Para 15, eh? More likely the ghost is named George! Peter----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Spezio" Cc: "Rodmakers" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:37 PMSubject: Re: Wandering Tools I have a ghost named Freddy. Last week he stole awhole butt section for a Para15. Have not found it so I had to make a new one..This is the truth.Tony Flytyr@southshore.com SteVe Cook wrote: I may be new to this rod building lark, but, already some problems arefamiliar.The problem of 'wandering tools', or, to give it it's more formal title,Evaporating Tool Syndrome, is some thing I have spent many yearsstudying??I can now conclude there are four main causes (some of which havealreadybeen mentioned):- 1. Little People- These can be identified by their strangeutterances, such as 'What's this'; What y're doingAfter these cries tools 'evaporate',only to reappear later, in toy boxes; buried in the garden; in thewashingmachine; etc. 2. Gremlins - These appear to be somewhat larger than the above,andcan be distiguished by thier cries of 'Can I just borrwow this'; 'Haveyougot a ??????'; I won't be five minutes'; etc. 3. Chameleon Effect - This problem used to onlay effct pens;nuts;bolts;springs; etc. but now appears to afflict tolls and other large objects.Thier apparant ability to merge with thier surroundings is quiteamazing. 4. tidying up (down?) - The causes of this problem are yet to befullyeplained, but wives and mothers are believed to be involved. SteVe CookJorvikKingdom of Northumbria from flyfish@defnet.com Sun Jan 28 11:07:13 2001 f0SH7Ce27471 Subject: Re: Rattan Grips This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C088BD.E6FE5D00 Bob the info you gave me showed me I was ontrack Thanks! Don't worry about the spelling I didn't even notice LOL =.The only thing I think that I might have been just a little off was the =size ofRattan. I was using 3.25mm ,and It looked a little course to me. Other =than that I was on.Ray , I know you probably here this allot. ButThank you for all the inf. in your book. It has been a big part of my =rod making adventure!As for the Rattan Grips : I use 3.25 half roundRattan(I will be going to 2.25mm chair cane )and I wrap it around cork =or balsa wood(have tried both) think I'm gonna go with cork. Easy to =shape. I glue it on with wood glue and usesmall sewing pins(the kind with a head) to hold the rattan down. I just =push them thru. I also tried masking tape . It worked Ok but the masking =tape had a tendency to lift on me. Then I used dark stain to make little =spots and light stain to give it an aged look. Next I give itabout 4 coats of poly urethane (not dipped butspun like you do wraps) sand in between. I know polyurethane is to =modern ,but It givesbetter results than varnish(I use spar varnish on the rest of the rod) . =I hope this helped . I will send you pictures when I get some time to =take them . Ray If you would like go to my web site = and you can see the result of your teaching along with Wayne's book and = Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C088BD.E6FE5D00 Bob the info you gave me showed me I was =ontrack Thanks! Don't worry about = just a little off was the size ofRattan. I was using 3.25mm ,and It looked a little = me. Other than that I was on.Ray , I know you probably here this allot. =ButThank you for all the inf. in your book. It has been = part of my rod making adventure! roundRattan(I will be going to 2.25mm chair cane = it around cork or balsa wood(have tried both) think I'm gonna go with = to shape. I glue it on with wood glue and use = an aged look. Next I give it butspun like you do wraps) sand in between. I know = is to modern ,but It givesbetter results than varnish(I use spar varnish on = = site www.homestead.com/= and you can see the result of your teaching along = book and yours. Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C088BD.E6FE5D00-- from darrell@rockclimbing.org Sun Jan 28 11:09:50 2001 f0SH9ne27655 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Books What books are you selling? Darrell -----Original Message----- Subject: Books I have enjoyed reading about building a bamboo fly rod for about 25 years.Have finally decided that I'm not going to actually ever build one. I havesome books for sale that folks on the list might like. I was unsure ifpointers to the books at amazon was appropriate for the rodmakers digestornot. Any advice would be appreciated. Enjoyed the rodmakers digest...goodgroup of people. Thanks...Jim Kohrs from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sun Jan 28 11:18:42 2001 f0SHIfe28043 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:17:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Rattan Grips, now intermediates Tony, great looking rods. By the way, what spacing is used/recommended for intermediates like the ones on your rod?Nice job on the site, looks great.Bob Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from jmk51@home.com Sun Jan 28 11:22:05 2001 f0SHM5e28267 0800 Subject: Books for Sale --=====================_297378279==_.ALT There seems to be interest in the books that I have. I have the Keane, Garrison, Maurer, and Howell's books. Was unsure about pricing. http://www.alibris.com/home.cfm had the older ones. Priced them in the middle of the range. Perhaps you can tell me if they are reasonable. Willing to consider any offers. Thanks... http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange- glance/Y03Y3596434Y3455416/103-1310791-9929412 http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange- glance/Y02Y2946284Y0006710/103-1310791-9929412 http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange- glance/Y02Y0387973Y9954222/103-1310791-9929412 http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange- glance/Y03Y0032880Y7273614/103-1310791-9929412 Jim Kohrs--=====================_297378279==_.ALT There seems to be interest in the books that I have. I have the Keane,Garrison, Maurer, and Howell's books. Was unsure about pricing.http://www.alibris.com/home.cfmhad the older ones. Priced them in the middle of the range. Perhaps you cantell me if they are reasonable. Willing to consider any offers. Thanks... http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange- glance/Y03Y3596434Y3455416/103-1310791-9929412 http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange- glance/Y02Y2946284Y0006710/103-1310791-9929412 http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange- glance/Y02Y0387973Y9954222/103-1310791-9929412 http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange- glance/Y03Y0032880Y7273614/103-1310791-9929412 Jim Kohrs --=====================_297378279==_.ALT-- from flyfish@defnet.com Sun Jan 28 11:31:09 2001 f0SHV3e28650 Subject: Re:Now Intermediates This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C088C1.418E89E0 If your talking about the intermediates wraps on the 1917 Devine rod I =have on the front page.,The spacing on them started at 1 inch and =progressively got smaller as they approached the tip top. There are over =100 wraps on that rod ,it was quite a job. I just sold that rod. The guy =loved it. But if you are just putting them on your own rod I recommend =1" spacing, the Devine rod had to be exact it was a restoration.Hope that helped ,Thanks for checking out my site.Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C088C1.418E89E0 Bob = 1917 Devine rod I have on the front page.,The spacing on them started at = and progressively got smaller as they approached the tip top. There are = wraps on that rod ,it was quite a job. I just sold that rod. The guy = But if you are just putting them on your own rod I recommend 1" spacing, = Devine rod had to be exact it was a restoration. site.Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/= ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C088C1.418E89E0-- from GriffinJohn@email.msn.com Sun Jan 28 12:27:49 2001 f0SIRme29777 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 09:05:01 -0800 Subject: Re: The joys of ferrule cement Eleven!??-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ----- Original Message ----- Subject: The joys of ferrule cement I was faced yesterday with a rod with 11 loose ferrules. I starteddriving the pins in and then decided to see if the old ferrule cementhad anything left in it. Heating each ferrule over an alcohol lamp 'tilI heard bubbling, I found when they cooled, that all of them were astight as new. That saved me hours of finding, tapping, and drilling thepins. Try that with epoxy!Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from flyfish@defnet.com Sun Jan 28 12:54:01 2001 f0SIs0e00616 Subject: Re: Now Intermediates This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C088CC.D55E3200 BobThat's the real trick.LOL On a restoration you know wherethe guides and spacing go. But on your on rod , My suggestion is to find =the guide placement first then adjustyour wraps to work out by starting at the butt end witha signature or some other decorative wrap to help the spacing. If you =have to move a snake guide a little to make itwork out that's OK should not affect the rod to much.As long as you don't adjust so much that your left withtwo inches between last snake guide and the tip top LOLDon't adjust too much or you will throw off the curve of the rod when it =flexes. You could make some big formula outof this and I'm sure there is one out there some where. Butwhen the old makers decided to put all those wraps on a rod I'll bet =they adjusted the wraps to work out with the guides.Not the other way =around.I might be wrong on this . Its just the way I do it. I imagine you could =sit down and calculate eachspace by subtracting or adding the distance of the feet and wraps . Much =like the way you do for a seat on male ferrules when your cutting a =blank to size. Anyone out there with a good idea let me know too.Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C088CC.D55E3200 BobThat's the real trick.LOL On a = wherethe guides and spacing go. But on your= suggestion is to find the guide placement first then adjustyour wraps to work out by starting at = witha signature or some other decorative = the spacing. If you have to move a snake guide a little to make =itwork out that's OK should not affect = much.As long as you don't adjust so much = withtwo inches between last snake guideand = LOLDon't adjust too much or you will throw= outof this and I'm sure there is one out = where. Butwhen the old makers decided to put all= on a rod I'll bet they adjusted the wraps to work out with the = other way around. do it. I imagine you could sit down and calculate eachspace by subtracting or too.Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/= flyfish@defnet.com ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C088CC.D55E3200-- from fiveside@net-gate.com Sun Jan 28 13:43:25 2001 f0SJhOe02213 Subject: Rod Storage Orientation To The List,Maybe I'm just a picky Garrison type but I always put my tip section inits bag tip-first, thereby avoiding friction wear between the male ferruleand the cloth bag. I fish a lot and hate loose ferrules. Bill from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Sun Jan 28 13:57:32 2001 f0SJvVe02920 (62.188.135.148) Subject: Trolling TAper This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C08954.2638F8E0 The following is from a old French angling book and was photo copied =and translated by non- angler. The numbers are probably OK , but I don't =know about the description.It is described as suitable for dragging attracters behind a boat =or throwing them at the water. It has a powerful curve suitable for =great Pike, Salmons and Zander, it will even work in the sea.(sic)It is 3m long with a 700mm butt of turned wood, it appears to be a 3 =piece (2 sections and detachable butt). Dimensions in millimetres 0000 4.40100 5.10200 5.70300 6.30400 7.00500 7.60600 8.20700 8.80800 9.50900 10.11000 10.71100 11.41200 12.01300 12.61400 13.21500 13.91600 14.51700 15.11800 15.81900 16.42000 17.02100 17.62200 18.32300 18.9 Don't know if this is any good, I'm going to build it myself when I = I have a 4 piece boat/pier rod, 6' boat (butt & tip #1), 9' =pier(butt, middle & tip #2). I will mic. this up when I get a suitable =(thou.) mic. If anybody's interested, let me know. SteVe Cook RON ELDER wrote: I have an odd request, so please don't jump all over me on this one. =I havea father-in-law who is an avid fisherman. I gave him one of my earlyflyrods (perfectionist) and he absolutely loves it. He has since =hinted atme to make another rod one for him. Now the odd part! He wants me to make a bamboo trolling rod for him (he wants to be the =onlyboat in the Kootenays of BC to use one). Does anybody have a taper = trolling rod that could handle rainbows up to 18lbs? He intends to =bucktailand run 3-4 inch plugs with this rod. I want to make this rod and =presentit to him for his 65th birthday this Sept. Any help would be greatlyappreciated and you can respond off list if this doesn't fit the topic =ofthe list. Thanks,.....ron Ron ElderCalgary, AB ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C08954.2638F8E0 is = description. suitable for dragging attracters behind a boat or throwing them at the = has a powerful curve suitable for great Pike, Salmons and Zander, it = work in the sea.(sic)It is 3m long with a 700mm butt of turned wood, = appears to be a 3 piece (2 sections and detachable butt). Dimensions in millimetres 18.9 this = piece = will mic. this up when I get a suitable (thou.) mic. If anybody's = let me know. Cheers SteVe Cook the = = AB ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C08954.2638F8E0-- from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Sun Jan 28 13:57:39 2001 f0SJvSe02918 (62.188.135.148) Subject: Re: Measurement This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C08962.BF615040 Thanks to all for uour answers. I just know the answer would be obvious, =I was imagining a complex formula or some thing.i am also go to invest in some new kit.It's just I don't like parting with the tried and trusted. SteVe Cook ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C08962.BF615040 Thanks to all for uour answers. I just know the = be obvious, I was imagining a complex formula or some =thing.i am also go to invest in some newkit. trusted. SteVe Cook ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C08962.BF615040-- from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Jan 28 15:41:09 2001 f0SLf9e06974 Subject: Re: The joys of ferrule cement John,Yes, eleven. A six piece 9' rod with two tips (butt+tips=3, four mids=8).I took it out casting with a 6WF silk yesterday. Absolutely amazing. It is aslow action, but casts a country mile. You expect to hear the sound of thelight sabers from Star Wars, once the rod start moving, nothing is stoppingit. The only rod that I've felt that was similar was a 12' Carlson quad.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ GriffinJohn wrote: Eleven!??-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ----- Original Message -----From: "reed curry" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 9:41 AMSubject: The joys of ferrule cement I was faced yesterday with a rod with 11 loose ferrules. I starteddriving the pins in and then decided to see if the old ferrule cementhad anything left in it. Heating each ferrule over an alcohol lamp 'tilI heard bubbling, I found when they cooled, that all of them were astight as new. That saved me hours of finding, tapping, and drilling thepins. Try that with epoxy!Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jan 28 15:41:49 2001 f0SLfme07076 Subject: Re: london, tight-lipped wankers Try saying it with an affected British accent. It sounds much better, andmore appropriate. 8^M-D ----- Original Message ----- tight-lipped wankerstight-lipped wankerstight-lipped wankerstight-lipped wankers i'm sorry! i just had to say that three or four times.:>) timothy from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jan 28 15:45:16 2001 f0SLjFe07420 Subject: Re: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair I believe Harry may have meant the crapper, and not the commode. Rich,however, may have been playing in his bidet.M-D ----- Original Message ----- Tony, it appears so. Harry wrote: :-)))) Harry truly, he did.... makes one wonder, doesn`t it? Do they wash their feet AND socksat the same time? Yet another clever invention from our brethrenacross the pond? Sorts of mini-jacuzzi with drawers? This is mind-boglingindeed regards,carsten ;-) At 05:11 AM 1/28/01 +0100, Carsten Jorgensen wrote:Allow me to to add some european culture to thisdebate: Comode is french for one of those thingies full of drawerswhere to put socks etc. Makes one wonder why anyone would dispose of facial hairs inone of those, let alone want one with in-built flushing??? OK, so rodmakers are a weird bunch, but THIS beats anything... regards, Carsten Is a comode the fancy name for those foot bath things? :-) Tony At 02:45 PM 1/27/01 -0500, Troutgetter@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2001 8:31:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,fbcwin@3g.quik.com writes: And hasn't your wife taught you to flush the commode yet?:-)))) Harry It Flushes?Mike from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Jan 28 15:49:02 2001 f0SLn1e07798 Subject: Re:Rattan Grips Tony,Don't forget that little flourish many of the old makers used --- awinding of red thread between the rattan wraps. I've seen a Leonard withthis, and I have a Chubb with the red thread. A subtle touch but itcovers any little splits in the rattan.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from flyfish@defnet.com Sun Jan 28 15:58:13 2001 f0SLwCe08256 Subject: Re:Rattan Grips This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C088E6.90E8B7C0 ReedI've read about that . I was just wondering ,on the rods you have, is =that red silk visible as red or is it under thefinish? i.e. darkened by the finish . When I seen a Leonard at the =museum of fly fishing in Vermont, it was not noticeable.Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C088E6.90E8B7C0 ReedI've read about that . I was just wondering ,on the rods you have, = red silk visible as red or is it under the museum of fly fishing in Vermont, it was not noticeable.Tony Miller from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jan 28 16:00:44 2001 f0SM0he08485 Subject: Re: London My only experience with Hardy is that related by Paul and others who seem tohave found them completely unhelpful in virtually every respect. Hmmm,evenif the Wanks had the Para 16 taper I doubt they'd divulge it any more thanthey've given Paul the Jock Scott taper. Hardy -- House of Wank. Duuuude.8^}O (This is all in fun, kinda', sorta', in a way. Should anyone beoffended take these . They're chill pills. Call me in the morning.)M-D ----- Original Message ----- Let me guess. He asked them for a Para 16 taper,andthey clearly misunderstood. Jo-Jo-??? regards,carsten ----- Original Message -----From: stuart moultrie hey Jojo, Did you have some earth shattering experience with hardys? come on youcan tellus, we're all friends here. Stuart Jojo DeLancier wrote: Sam, While you are at Hardy, ask the bunch of tight-lipped wankers for theJockScott taper. Send it to Paul. I'm sure he'll appreciate it. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "paul.blakley" I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall wouldbeworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows atNo 5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week andwaswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing orrodmaking thatIshould see while I'm there. from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sun Jan 28 16:02:01 2001 f0SM21e08674 Subject: Re: FLA Keys I guess I am going to be in the Key Largo area. So this is my main area of interest , though I don't think it would be much of a drive to go further south.bret from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sun Jan 28 16:16:15 2001 f0SMGFe09313 Subject: Re: Sv: Sv: Non-rodmaking Bear Hair/STOP THE BS Guys ,it is time to drop this trite inane Bulls__t.Bret from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Jan 28 16:17:49 2001 f0SMHne09438 Subject: Re: Rattan Grips --------------BA85E3FDA20E77C7B504978E Tony,It is visible as red is some spots, but where the rattan is lower(more rounded) it is darkened. I hope that helpsBest regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Tony Miller wrote: ReedI've read about that . I was just wondering ,on the rods you have,is that red silk visible as red or is it under thefinish? i.e.darkened by the finish . When I seen a Leonard at the museum of flyfishing in Vermont, it was not noticeable.Tony Miller -- --------------BA85E3FDA20E77C7B504978E Tony, rattan is lower (more rounded) it is darkened. I hope that helpsBest regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Tony Miller wrote: ReedI've read about that . I wasjust wondering ,on the rods you have, is that red silk visible as red oris it under thefinish? i.e. darkened by the finish . When I seen a Leonardat the museum of fly fishing in Vermont, it was not noticeable.TonyMiller -- --------------BA85E3FDA20E77C7B504978E-- from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jan 28 16:30:27 2001 f0SMUQe10032 Subject: Re: planing forms Mark,I'd say the first thing you will notice upon ripping your wood is that eachindividual piece will have gone berserk. Definitely use dowel pins betweenstations to align everything. If you are planning to use these forms forfinal planing, I'd suggest adjustments at the 2 *" marks, between stations,in the butt section so that you might make swelled butt rods with adifferent taper in the swell.M-D ----- Original Message ----- I got my maple for the planing forms today. My friend was going to rip ittosize on his table saw (his other hobby is furnature making!)Unfortunatelyhe is down with the flu. So next week will have to do it. ANY idea outthere for pitfalls to look out for? I will be willing to listen to anyandall advice! I plan to cut the wood first, then obtain the bolts and do myajustment points every 5 inches. Dows that sound workable?mark from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jan 28 16:41:01 2001 f0SMf0e10574 Subject: Re: Finish Techniques C.R. Spenlite M22x40 for the impreg medium, or any good quality floor gradepolyurethane. Acrylics will also work well. Avoid complete impregnation. Forlimited space, make a drip tube like the one Tony Spezio suggests in PowerFibers. M-D ----- Original Message ----- I've been thinking about changing my finishing method lately. Have justbeen rubing on Forby's but got to thinking about either a dip tube orImpregnation. I'd really like to try impregnation but looking in thearchives I couldn't seem to find any concocktion to do it with? What doyou guys think? Dip or impreg? I do only have about 8' of ceiling roomto work with so I can't do an elaborate dip system. ThanksSincerely,C.R. Adams from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Sun Jan 28 16:53:26 2001 f0SMrJe11107 (62.188.13.236) Subject: Re: BurnOut Paul,I wasn't aware of thisI've only just decided to build a cane rod or two, as I can't afford theinflated prices charged for them.Do you have any more info. SteVe Eboracum ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: BurnOut Steve,If you live in the Uk you may be interested to know that there is to bea UK rodmakers meeting on the 1st and 2nd September later this year ?Regards......Paul SteVe Cook wrote: I thought you may be interested in a couple of 'English' solutions: Put the kettle on. There's now't like a good old cuppa (Tea), workswonders Retire t'pub- a few pints of real Ale and you can put the world torights from beadman@mac.com Sun Jan 28 16:56:43 2001 f0SMuge11379 0800 Subject: Re: Trolling TAper At 6:00 PM +0000 , 1/28/01, SteVe Cook wrote about Trolling TAperThe following is from a old French angling book and was photo copied and translated by non- angler. The numbers are probably OK , but I don't know about the description.It is described as suitable for dragging attracters behind a boat or throwing them at the water. It has a powerful curve suitable sea.(sic)It is 3m long with a 700mm butt of turned wood, it appears to be a 3 piece (2 sections and detachable butt). Dimensions in millimetres 0000 4.40100 5.10200 5.70300 6.30400 7.00500 7.60600 8.20700 8.80800 9.50900 10.11000 10.71100 11.41200 12.01300 12.61400 13.21500 13.91600 14.51700 15.11800 15.81900 16.42000 17.02100 17.62200 18.32300 18.9 interpolated to 5 inch stations. Taper as given: Converted to inches: 5 Inch Station:mm mm mm/mm inches inches in/in inches inches0 4.4 - 0.0000 0.1732 0.0000 0 0.1732100 5.1 0.0070 3.9370 0.2008 0.0070200 5.7 0.0060 7.8740 0.2244 0.0060 5 0.2072300 6.3 0.0060 11.8110 0.2480 0.0060 10 0.2372400 7 0.0070 15.7480 0.2756 0.0070 15 0.2704500 7.6 0.0060 19.6850 0.2992 0.0060600 8.2 0.0060 23.6220 0.3228 0.0060 20 0.3011700 8.8 0.0060 27.5591 0.3465 0.0060 25 0.3311800 9.5 0.0070 31.4961 0.3740 0.0070 30 0.3635900 10.1 0.0060 35.4331 0.3976 0.0060 35 0.39501000 10.7 0.0060 39.3701 0.4213 0.00601100 11.4 0.0070 43.3071 0.4488 0.0070 40 0.42571200 12 0.0060 47.2441 0.4724 0.0060 45 0.45901300 12.6 0.0060 51.1811 0.4961 0.0060 50 0.48901400 13.2 0.0060 55.1181 0.5197 0.0060 55 0.51901500 13.9 0.0070 59.0551 0.5472 0.00701600 14.5 0.0060 62.9921 0.5709 0.0060 60 0.55291700 15.1 0.0060 66.9291 0.5945 0.0060 65 0.58291800 15.8 0.0070 70.8661 0.6220 0.0070 70 0.61601900 16.4 0.0060 74.8031 0.6457 0.00602000 17 0.0060 78.7402 0.6693 0.0060 75 0.64692100 17.6 0.0060 82.6772 0.6929 0.0060 80 0.67692200 18.3 0.0070 86.6142 0.7205 0.0070 85 0.70922300 18.9 0.0060 90.5512 0.7441 0.0060 90 0.740890.5512 0.7441 I have this on an Excel spreadsheet if anyone wants to see it that way. Let me know and I'll send it to you as an attachment via private email. Claude from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Sun Jan 28 17:00:34 2001 f0SN0Xe11719 (62.188.13.236) Subject: Bamboo suplliers (England) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C0897E.48C92400 The list, Do any English members of the list Know of any suppliers of Tonkin cane, =suitable for rod making in this country. I have one 12' lenght I aquired =some years back, which should get me started. I'm copying the tip of a =10' 8" trotting rod I was given. I also have a couple of bits of 'Spanish reed' which I intend to make =into another 'bottom rod Ta. SteVe Jorvik ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C0897E.48C92400 The list, Do any English members of the list Know of any = Tonkin cane, suitable for rod making in this country. I have one 12' = aquired some years back, which should get me started. I'm copying the = 10' 8" trotting rod I was given. I also have a couple of bits of 'Spanish reed' which = to make into another 'bottom rod Ta. SteVe Jorvik ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C0897E.48C92400-- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sun Jan 28 17:00:37 2001 f0SN0ae11723 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:59:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Finish Techniques I second that M-D. Drip tube is a good way to go. Or how about brushing? I bet a good spar and Tom Smithwick's method will produce a great looking rod.I am contemplating a vacuum impregnation set up for experimenting. I don't really know that you could sell an impregnated rod easily, but if I could just do a bunch, I could sell them cheaper and make a good rod at a good price point with little effort. I could make rods in batches of 4, varnish 2 and impregnate 2. McMaster Carr has all the stuff I would need, but where would one get Spenlite? What exactly is it?Best regards,Bob At 04:40 PM 1/28/2001 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote:C.R. Spenlite M22x40 for the impreg medium, or any good quality floor gradepolyurethane. Acrylics will also work well. Avoid complete impregnation. Forlimited space, make a drip tube like the one Tony Spezio suggests in PowerFibers. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: I've been thinking about changing my finishing method lately. Have justbeen rubing on Forby's but got to thinking about either a dip tube orImpregnation. I'd really like to try impregnation but looking in thearchives I couldn't seem to find any concocktion to do it with? What doyou guys think? Dip or impreg? I do only have about 8' of ceiling roomto work with so I can't do an elaborate dip system. ThanksSincerely,C.R. Adams Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Sun Jan 28 17:06:42 2001 f0SN6fe12215 (62.188.13.236) Subject: Re: Trolling TAper Do you any idea what sort of action this taper would give. It appears to bequite a slow through actioned, if my reading of the taper is right. i'mstill trying work these things out! SteVe ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Trolling TAper At 6:00 PM +0000 , 1/28/01, SteVe Cook wrote about Trolling TAperThe following is from a old French angling book and was photocopied and translated by non- angler. The numbers are probably OK ,but I don't know about the description.It is described as suitable for dragging attracters behind aboat or throwing them at the water. It has a powerful curve suitable sea.(sic)It is 3m long with a 700mm butt of turned wood, it appears to be a3 piece (2 sections and detachable butt). Dimensions in millimetres 0000 4.40100 5.10200 5.70300 6.30400 7.00500 7.60600 8.20700 8.80800 9.50900 10.11000 10.71100 11.41200 12.01300 12.61400 13.21500 13.91600 14.51700 15.11800 15.81900 16.42000 17.02100 17.62200 18.32300 18.9 interpolated to 5 inch stations. Taper as given: Converted to inches: 5 Inch Station:mm mm mm/mm inches inches in/in inches inches0 4.4 - 0.0000 0.1732 0.0000 0 0.1732100 5.1 0.0070 3.9370 0.2008 0.0070200 5.7 0.0060 7.8740 0.2244 0.0060 5 0.2072300 6.3 0.0060 11.8110 0.2480 0.0060 10 0.2372400 7 0.0070 15.7480 0.2756 0.0070 15 0.2704500 7.6 0.0060 19.6850 0.2992 0.0060600 8.2 0.0060 23.6220 0.3228 0.0060 20 0.3011700 8.8 0.0060 27.5591 0.3465 0.0060 25 0.3311800 9.5 0.0070 31.4961 0.3740 0.0070 30 0.3635900 10.1 0.0060 35.4331 0.3976 0.0060 35 0.39501000 10.7 0.0060 39.3701 0.4213 0.00601100 11.4 0.0070 43.3071 0.4488 0.0070 40 0.42571200 12 0.0060 47.2441 0.4724 0.0060 45 0.45901300 12.6 0.0060 51.1811 0.4961 0.0060 50 0.48901400 13.2 0.0060 55.1181 0.5197 0.0060 55 0.51901500 13.9 0.0070 59.0551 0.5472 0.00701600 14.5 0.0060 62.9921 0.5709 0.0060 60 0.55291700 15.1 0.0060 66.9291 0.5945 0.0060 65 0.58291800 15.8 0.0070 70.8661 0.6220 0.0070 70 0.61601900 16.4 0.0060 74.8031 0.6457 0.00602000 17 0.0060 78.7402 0.6693 0.0060 75 0.64692100 17.6 0.0060 82.6772 0.6929 0.0060 80 0.67692200 18.3 0.0070 86.6142 0.7205 0.0070 85 0.70922300 18.9 0.0060 90.5512 0.7441 0.0060 90 0.740890.5512 0.7441 I have this on an Excel spreadsheet if anyone wants to see it thatway. Let me know and I'll send it to you as an attachment viaprivate email. Claude from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Sun Jan 28 17:29:17 2001 f0SNTGe13068 (62.188.13.236) Subject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) Paul,York (famed for it's catastrophic floods?) If you could keep me informed about the 'gathering' I would be most grateful Ta. SteVe ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) Steve,Before I answer this question could you please advise where you live ?It may be that I have a contact in your area who may be able to sell youa limited quantity rather than buy a full bale .....regards .....Paul SteVe Cook wrote: The list, Do any English members of the list Know of any suppliers of Tonkincane, suitable for rod making in this country. I have one 12' lenght Iaquired some years back, which should get me started. I'm copying thetip of a 10' 8" trotting rod I was given. I also have a couple of bits of 'Spanish reed' which I intend to makeinto another 'bottom rod Ta. SteVe Jorvik from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jan 28 18:07:41 2001 f0T07ee14274 Subject: Re: Finish Techniques Hadn't thought about the brushing method, though from all accounts soundsperfectly feasible. My impreg chamber will do both vacuum and pressure. Itis my opinion, however, that the best vacuum impreg would be obtained bypulling the vacuum on the chamber for a short period, then introduce themedium. I don't know that pressure, or vacuum impregnating is at allnecessary, as I have found that the medium is more than readily absorbed bythe cane. The problem seems to be one of consistency from blank to blank. Ithink that each piece of cane being different accounts for this. Also, I donot believe it desirable to fully impregnate the blank to saturation.I order from McM-C all the time. Hell, I even have an account there. ;o)Everything on my impreg chamber, except for the pipe and fittings, camefromthem.Spenlite M22x40 is manufactured by Reichhold Chemical. It is a moisturecureurethane and is sold as a floor finish. Optimum conditions are around100Ÿ -110Ÿ F with 50% relative humidity. Thin with xylene. M-D ----- Original Message ----- I second that M-D. Drip tube is a good way to go. Or how about brushing? Ibet a good spar and Tom Smithwick's method will produce a great lookingrod.I am contemplating a vacuum impregnation set up for experimenting. I don'treally know that you could sell an impregnated rod easily, but if I couldjust do a bunch, I could sell them cheaper and make a good rod at a goodprice point with little effort. I could make rods in batches of 4, varnish2 and impregnate 2. McMaster Carr has all the stuff I would need, butwherewould one get Spenlite? What exactly is it?Best regards,Bob At 04:40 PM 1/28/2001 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote:C.R. Spenlite M22x40 for the impreg medium, or any good quality floor gradepolyurethane. Acrylics will also work well. Avoid complete impregnation.Forlimited space, make a drip tube like the one Tony Spezio suggests in PowerFibers. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: I've been thinking about changing my finishing method lately. Havejustbeen rubing on Forby's but got to thinking about either a dip tube orImpregnation. I'd really like to try impregnation but looking in thearchives I couldn't seem to find any concocktion to do it with? Whatdoyou guys think? Dip or impreg? I do only have about 8' of ceilingroomto work with so I can't do an elaborate dip system. ThanksSincerely,C.R. Adams Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from flyfish@defnet.com Sun Jan 28 18:08:31 2001 f0T08Ve14377 Subject: Background test This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C088F8.C4438480 Is this better?Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C088F8.C4438480 Is this better?TonyMiller ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C088F8.C4438480-- from flyfish@defnet.com Sun Jan 28 18:18:11 2001 f0T0I9e14903 Subject: Re: Rattan Grips This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C088FA.1DF26400 Mark what would you like to know?I'm in the experimental stage but they are comingout fair to good. I just have a few more changes to make. I've been =talking all day on the list about them, so excuse me if i'm behind . Was =there a specific part you needed info on?Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C088FA.1DF26400 Mark what would you like toknow? comingout fair to good. I just have a few more changes = I've been talking all day on the list about them, so excuse me if i'm = Was there a specific part you needed info on?Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/= ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C088FA.1DF26400-- from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jan 28 18:36:07 2001 f0T0a6e15532 Subject: Re: Wandering Tools Who are you calling a terrestrial? You Homo Sapiens. You biped, you.M-D ----- Original Message ----- Yup, Peter is right. That guy Kafka did several books on terrestrialsand their weird behaviour. regards,carsten ----- Original Message -----From: petermckean Let me add to the list, please. Spools of 2lb breaking strain trippet material are DEFINITELY the larvalform of big spools of 15lb Maxima; interestingly, during themetamorphosis,the spools inexplicably age by a few years. This is obviously naturecompensating for herself, as the stuff on the big spools is no strongerthanthe tippet material! I think it is a point worth pondering here, that "Metamorphosis" waswriten Peter ----- Original Message -----From: "Ronnie L. Rees" ? Intermittent Transdimensional Portals: from flyfish@defnet.com Sun Jan 28 18:41:01 2001 f0T0f0e15837 Subject: Re: Rattan Grips This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C088FD.4E463020 MarkI'm not sure what exactly rattan is, but they do use it in furniture =making.Some Leonard fly rods had Rattan Gripsand a few others. It was the style on rods from the 1800's.It is a very attractive look on a fly rod . They wind the rattan around =the grip and seal it with a clear varnish. It is not easy to do! I have =been messing around with them for quite a long time (months) There is =not allot of info out there on it either.But thanks to all the people on the list , they have shed some light on =it for me. If you want to try to make one I suggest getting some rattan =and experimenting by gluing it around a wooden dowel . Sounds easy =doesn't it , but its not. Then the finish is kind of tough to get also, =depending on the type of rattan you get(get chair cane 2.25mm) Glue it =with wood glue and hold it down with masking tape or pins.If it works for you then just shape some cork and try wrapping it on =that.Hope that helpsTony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C088FD.4E463020 MarkI'm not sure what exactly rattan is, = use it in furniture making.Some Leonard fly rods had Rattan =Gripsand a few others. It was the style on = 1800's.It is a very attractive look on a fly = wind the rattan around the grip and seal it with a clear varnish. It is = to do! I have been messing around with them for quite a long time = is not allot of info out there on it either.But thanks to all the people on the = have shed some light on it for me. If you want to try to make one I = getting some rattan and experimenting by gluing it around a wooden dowel = Sounds easy doesn't it , but its not. Then the finish is kind of tough = glue = down with masking tape or pins.If it works for you then just shape = try wrapping it on that.Hope that helpsTony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C088FD.4E463020-- from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 28 18:58:17 2001 f0T0wBe16431 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:58:07 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: list question Bob,I have been having some quirks with the list lately too, Shawn Bob Maulucci wrote: I have been able to read the messages, but I have not been able to postsince Friday night. Is this a common bug? Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from flyfish@defnet.com Sun Jan 28 19:29:50 2001 f0T1Tme17010 Subject: Re: Rattan Grips This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C08904.1C554A40 If you can't find any, let me know and I will hook you up with some =suppliers. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C08904.1C554A40 Mark = hook you up with some suppliers.Tony = ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C08904.1C554A40-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Sun Jan 28 21:04:24 2001 be forged)) f0T34Ne18572 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:57:51 -0600 Subject: Re: FLA Keys I'd think this area would be mostly salt, but there's some great lighttackle fishing down there. Some docks/piers can be great at night under thelights !GMA from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Sun Jan 28 21:12:42 2001 f0T3Cfe18981 with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:12:30 -0800 Subject: E.F. Payne Rod Company f0T3Cge18982 This is mainly to the Oregonians on the list.Drove over the cascades for a short family vacation this weekend. Westopped at a small shopping area on the West edge of Sisters, Oregon toremove the tire chains, and after finished, my wife points out the E.F. PayneRod Company behind me. I'm not sure if I was surprised more to see thesign, or that my wife actually pointed it out. I knew they were located in theindustrial area of Sisters, but had never hunted them down on previous trips. Now they have relocated as of last June and are right off Hwy. 20 in ashopping area about 1/2 mile West of town. Anyway, if anyone gets to thearea, they have a small historical display of what looks to be equipment used draw ferrules and other stuff. The staff there were very nice, although Iwasn't able to talk long. They indicated that they are still using the Paynebeveler, but I didn't see it from the retail area, so it must be in a back area. They had !a fairly large work area that can be seen from the front. Looked like maybe50+ rod projects in the work rack. Refinish jobs, and lots of new rods inprogress. I was told that most of the workers had gone home for the day,but it looked like it might be an interesting place to visit during the day whenwork is going on. Of course it's hard to tell what's going on with such a brief stop-by, but it'sworth a look if you're passing through and get the chance. Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu from rmcelvain@uswest.net Sun Jan 28 21:30:17 2001 f0T3UFe19421 oemcomputer.uswest.net) (63.230.7.28) Subject: Re: FLA Keys I was in Marathon in January two years ago. Weather was too cold, fish like tarpon and bonefish follow hot weather? I hired a great guide, Tommy Busciglio (305) 743-7225 based upon recommendation of a friend who livesin the area. We waited four days for warmer weather, then he took me out for half a day because I was leaving. We fished for red fish around piers from a small boat with little success. I did catch a lot of small yellow snappers off a pier near where I was staying using shrimp for bait. Best regards, Bob McElvain At 05:01 PM 1/28/01 -0500, you wrote:I guess I am going to be in the Key Largo area. So this is my main area ofinterest , though I don't think it would be much of a drive to go furthersouth.bret from tcwege@worldnet.att.net Sun Jan 28 21:59:52 2001 f0T3xpe20006 +0000 Subject: Finally got it all together!! List,WoooHooo, Finally got all the tools and tooling together!! Setting up theshop and hope to be building within the week!!! Sorry for the bandwidth, butthis is pretty exciting stuff for a rookie!!!!!!!!!Tilo from flyfish@defnet.com Sun Jan 28 22:09:31 2001 f0T49Ue20382 Subject: Re: finally got it all together This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0891A.698A4C00 Congratulations Tilo!!!!!!I know this feeling and it is a good one!You just conquered the hardest part.Now on to the sacrificial culm.Good luck, let us know how the first one turns out.Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0891A.698A4C00 Congratulations Tilo!!!!!! one!You just conquered the hardest =part.Now on to the sacrificial =culm.Good luck, let us know how the first = out.Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/= ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0891A.698A4C00-- from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Sun Jan 28 22:43:47 2001 f0T4hle21310 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:41:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Finally got it all together!! Carefull Tilo, if you are like me once you get it all together you'll forgetwhere you put it. :^) I'm at the same stage as you are. Got most of the tools and 3 culms ofbamboo and you're right it is pretty exciting. Came in from the shop aftercheck splitting my bamboo and can't understand why SWMBO did not sharemyexcitment. Of course, she had just painted the bedroom. Have funTim ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Finally got it all together!! List,WoooHooo, Finally got all the tools and tooling together!! Setting up theshop and hope to be building within the week!!! Sorry for the bandwidth,butthis is pretty exciting stuff for a rookie!!!!!!!!!Tilo from caneman@clnk.com Sun Jan 28 22:53:57 2001 f0T4rue21681 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Now Intermediates On the RARE occasions that I do intermediates (only on insistance of a newrod owner and only when extra funds are paid) I do them so that there are 7intermediates between each guide. I measure from the inside guide wrap toinside guide wrap, and put an intermediate in the center, then center onebetween each wrap and the intermediate, then split between center and thatone, and center and guide wrap. That will give you seven intermediatesbetween each wrap, which will, of course, become closer together as youmovetowards the tip. The naturally decreasing increment from intermediate tointermediate looks right with the decreasing diameter. Later,Bob -----Original Message-----From: Tony Miller Date: Sunday, January 28, 2001 12:54 PMSubject: Re: Now Intermediates BobThat's the real trick.LOL On a restoration you know wherethe guides and spacing go. But on your on rod , My suggestion is to findthe guide placement first then adjustyour wraps to work out by starting at the butt end witha signature or some other decorative wrap to help the spacing. If youhave to move a snake guide a little to make itwork out that's OK should not affect the rod to much.As long as you don't adjust so much that your left withtwo inches between last snake guide and the tip top LOLDon't adjust too much or you will throw off the curve of the rod when itflexes. You could make some big formula outof this and I'm sure there is one out there some where. Butwhen the old makers decided to put all those wraps on a rod I'll betthey adjusted the wraps to work out with the guides.Not the other wayaround.I might be wrong on this . Its just the way I do it. I imagine you couldsit down and calculate eachspace by subtracting or adding the distance of the feet and wraps . Muchlike the way you do for a seat on male ferrules when your cutting a blank tosize. Anyone out there with a good idea let me know too.Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.htmlflyfish@defnet.com from dutcher@email.msn.com Mon Jan 29 00:47:01 2001 f0T6l0e23623 Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:26:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Rattan Grips Try this to make wrapping rattan on grips a little easier. Soak therattan in water until it is pliable. Find a piece of PVC or stainless steelpipe that is smaller in diameter than the smallest point on the grip to bewrapped. Tie (lash) one end of the rattan to the pipe with string. Wrap therattan around the pipe in close turns and tie off the end. Allow the rattanto dry completely, two or three days. Remove the rattan, which is now acoiled tube and work it on to the grip like a coiled wiring loom over a wirebundle. Because the rattan was set at a smaller diameter than the grip therewill be enough tension to hold it on the grip with only a little help whilethe glue sets. If wrapping over cork a flexible glue will be needed. Regards,Dick Richard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message -----From: Tony Miller Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 4:38 AMSubject: Re: Rattan Grips MarkI'm not sure what exactly rattan is, but they do use it in furnituremaking.Some Leonard fly rods had Rattan Gripsand a few others. It was the style on rods from the 1800's.It is a very attractive look on a fly rod . They wind the rattan aroundthe grip and seal it with a clear varnish. It is not easy to do! I have beenmessing around with them for quite a long time (months) There is not allotof info out there on it either.But thanks to all the people on the list , they have shed some light on it experimenting by gluing it around a wooden dowel . Sounds easy doesn't it ,but its not. Then the finish is kind of tough to get also, depending on thetype of rattan you get(get chair cane 2.25mm) Glue it with wood glue andhold it down with masking tape or pins.If it works for you then just shape some cork and try wrapping it on that.Hope that helpsTony Miller from flyfish@defnet.com Mon Jan 29 01:10:28 2001 f0T7ARe24463 ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 02:22:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Ain't it Devine? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C08933.A54D0700 JohnI have been fortunate to see allot of the Devine rods at theMuseum of fly fishing in Vermont. You ought to see theSpecial Dry Fly. One way to tell if it a Devine is that theyhave the number, of the rod, stamped into the reel seat on the cap.The =have English twist snake guides. They didblacken the nickel silver ferrules. Look for evidence of this. flat as the guides. The ring style hookeeper would be on theflat, that is left of the flat the guides are on(holding the butt =section to your body). It would not be were most makers put them, on the =same flat as the guides. My devine had a brass ring hookeeper. Devine =used quality parts i.e. all nickel silver partsso make sure the ferrules are nickel silver. If they are not ,than its not a Devine. The ferrules had soldered welts.It might be a devine , check these things first. If I could see a =picture of it , I might be able to identify it. Hope I helped ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C08933.A54D0700 JohnI have been fortunate to see allot of = rods at theMuseum of fly fishing in Vermont. You = theSpecial Dry Fly. One way to tell if it = that theyhave the number, of the rod, stamped = seat on the cap.The have English twist snake guides. They =didblacken the nickel silver ferrules. = evidence of this.Also the witness mark (on the ferrule)= the same flat as the guides. The ring style = be on theflat, that is left of the flat the = on(holding the butt section to your body). It would not be were most = hookeeper. Devine used quality parts i.e. all nickel silver =partsso make sure the ferrules are nickel = they are not ,than its not a Devine. The ferrules had= welts.It might be a devine , check these = helped www.homestead.com/= ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C08933.A54D0700-- from flyfish@defnet.com Mon Jan 29 01:15:32 2001 f0T7FWe24683 Subject: Re: Rattan Grips This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C08934.5FADBC20 Hi Dick I can't believe I didn't think of that. LOLThank you!!!!Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C08934.5FADBC20 Hi DickThat's a great idea ! I soak my rattan = LOLThank you!!!!Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/= ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C08934.5FADBC20-- from flyfish@defnet.com Mon Jan 29 01:34:03 2001 f0T7Y2e25086 Subject: Re: Ain't it Devine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C08936.F4CBA540 JohnOne correction I just looked in Mikes book to verify what I said. The =dry fly special(along with a few other models) had American twist guides =according to Mikes book. But at leastHalf the models had English twist guides. Probably the earlier ones. =Also the no# on the reel seat indicates the year it was made. The one I =restored had an "H" in the no# indicating it was from 1917. Also I read =in Mikes book thatIf it had an agate stripper, it would have English twist guides.If it had a perfection stripper, they would be American twist.And its a real agate stripper, not agatine.Hope this helps tooTony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C08936.F4CBA540 John verify what I said. The dry fly special(along with a few other = American twist guides according to Mikes book. But at leastHalf the models had English twist = the earlier ones. Also the no# on the reel seat indicates the year it = The one I restored had an "H" in the no# indicating it was from 1917. = read in Mikes book thatIf it had an agate stripper, it would = twist guides.If it had a perfection stripper, they = American twist. agatine.Hope this helps tooTonyMiller ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C08936.F4CBA540-- from stuart.rod@gmx.de Mon Jan 29 01:38:44 2001 f0T7che25299 Subject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) --------------C4AA300FD34E19259F523E0E Hi Steve I live in Germany and Ralf Ladda and I ordered Tonkin from Center CaneCompany in England. They were quick and the Tonkin Cane is good. Theyhave something to do with Andy Royer I think. I do not seem to have the contact number here at themoment........anyone else?....Ralf? Stuart SteVe Cook wrote: The list, Do any English members of the list Know of any suppliers ofTonkin cane, suitable for rod making in this country. I have one 12'lenght I aquired some years back, which should get me started. I'mcopying the tip of a 10' 8" trotting rod I was given. I also have acouple of bits of 'Spanish reed' which I intend to make into another'bottom rod Ta. SteVe Jorvik --------------C4AA300FD34E19259F523E0E Hi SteveI live in Germany and Ralf Ladda and I ordered Tonkin from Center CaneCompany in England. They were quick and the Tonkin Cane is good. They havesomething to do with Andy Royer I think.I do not seem to have the contact number here at themoment........anyoneelse?....Ralf?Stuart SteVe Cook wrote: The list, Doany English members of the list Know of any suppliers of Tonkin cane,suitable back, which should get me started. I'm copying the tip of a 10' 8" trottingrod I was given. I also have a couple of bits of 'Spanish SteVe Jorvik --------------C4AA300FD34E19259F523E0E-- from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Jan 29 01:55:29 2001 f0T7tRe25866 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:55:16 +0800 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:55:15 +0800 Subject: Re: Now Intermediates I'm no expert on intermediates but I have done a few rods with them whenI'vereally had to and the way I worked them out was to keep dividing the spacebetween guides in half ie. one goes between two guides then divide thedistancebetween the middle wrap and a guide, then between wraps ad nausium. Seemstolook ok and makes everything look to scale between guides regardless of thedistance between them. Tony At 01:51 AM 1/28/01 -0500, Tony Miller wrote: BobThat's the real trick.LOL On a restoration you know wherethe guides and spacing go. But on your on rod , My suggestion is to find theguide placement first then adjustyour wraps to work out by starting at the butt end witha signature or some other decorative wrap to help the spacing. If youhave tomove a snake guide a little to make itwork out that's OK should not affect the rod to much.As long as you don't adjust so much that your left withtwo inches between last snake guide and the tip top LOLDon't adjust too much or you will throw off the curve of the rod when itflexes. You could make some big formula outof this and I'm sure there is one out there some where. Butwhen the old makers decided to put all those wraps on a rod I'll bet theyadjusted the wraps to work out with the guides.Not the other way around.I might be wrong on this . Its just the way I do it. I imagine you could sitdown and calculate eachspace by subtracting or adding the distance of the feet and wraps . Muchlikethe way you do for a seat on male ferrules when your cutting a blank tosize.Anyone out there with a good idea let me know too.Tony Miller www.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html flyfish@defnet.com /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Jan 29 01:55:36 2001 f0T7tYe25889 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:55:25 +0800 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:55:16 +0800 Subject: Re: London "and Collecting" f0T7tZe25898 can be agrivating and is outright snobery but it's a bit like folk cultureie. Morris Dancers in reverse, sort of freak show stuff with no apparentpurpose in this day and age but it's all a part of the name and personaly Ilike to think that kind of thing is still possible otherwise the wholeworld would become a Big Mac. Just think of them as cave men on display ;-) Tony At 04:00 PM 1/28/01 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote:My only experience with Hardy is that related by Paul and others who seemtohave found them completely unhelpful in virtually every respect. Hmmm,evenif the Wanks had the Para 16 taper I doubt they'd divulge it any more thanthey've given Paul the Jock Scott taper. Hardy -- House of Wank. Duuuude.8^}O (This is all in fun, kinda', sorta', in a way. Should anyone beoffended take these . They're chill pills. Call me in the morning.)M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Carsten Jorgensen" Let me guess. He asked them for a Para 16 taper,andthey clearly misunderstood. Jo-Jo-??? regards,carsten ----- Original Message -----From: stuart moultrie hey Jojo, Did you have some earth shattering experience with hardys? come onyoucan tellus, we're all friends here. Stuart Jojo DeLancier wrote: Sam, While you are at Hardy, ask the bunch of tight-lipped wankers for theJockScott taper. Send it to Paul. I'm sure he'll appreciate it. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "paul.blakley" I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall wouldbeworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows atNo 5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week andwaswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing orrodmaking thatIshould see while I'm there. /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from petermckean@netspace.net.au Mon Jan 29 05:49:07 2001 f0TBn5e27902 f0TBn1W25605; Subject: Re: Nodeless construction and Flaming Organization: vet Hello all I have one of Tony Young's nodeless rods, and I fish it a lot and fairlyhard. I am quite sure that i am going to fail before the rod does. Peter PS What you said about losing socks etc in the toilet, Tony! And it may be of some interest to think, on this thread, that the French"bidet" means "a small horse".----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Nodeless construction and Flaming Rob,nodeless rods can be problematical and may not be worth the hassle unlesseverything works perfectly which isn't really too hard to ensure if youthinkit's worth it.I've made quite a few nodeless rods and had no problems at all until everyoneof a particular batch of glue failed (5 rods) which put me bit on edge.Theproblem was definitely with the glue but I wont go into it because I'm notcompletely sure of where the fault lay and I don't want to give a wrongimpression of the glue in question because it's an outstanding glue.I've made a few nodeless rods since this and two of them which are minehavebeen given a real workout and wont fail, no problem.The advantage of using the kitchen oven is a valid one which possiblyoutweighsother considerations. The other considerations are things like you can't expect a decent lookingflamed rod. Bamboo is much harder to plane after it's been heat treated than before. Heat straightening can be a real nightmare especially in the butt sectionwhereyou need to give a deep heat to be able to straighten as you can getpoppingscarfs if you put too much heat on them. I use the same glue for thescarfs asthe splines which is prob the best unless you use a glue for the scarfsthat isless critical of heat than the glue you use for the splines.The problem is that even with very long scarfs the bond is not as good asthatalong the splines. If the glue is warmed enough to allow the splines to bemoved to allow straightening the scarves are beyond critical due to thembeingangled joints compared to the straight ones of the splines. Obviously itcan bedone as attested by the nodeless rods around but it takes care.There may be somebody out there who knows a solution to this. Cutting, planing scarfs and gluing them is a lot more work than filing thenodes. IMHO the only advantage to nodeless is the kitchen oven and the fact youcanmake use of almost 100% of a culm. Tony At 07:16 AM 1/28/01 -0700, Robert R. Warholm wrote: Looking at doing Nodeless construction to start building rods withbecause Ido not have the room to build an oven for heat treating right now, henceIcan use my wifes. However I am also interested in doing flamed rods - so my 1st questioniscanone make nodeless rods from flamed cane or do the splice on these lookhorridor should one just do the most even flaming job possiable ( not give therodthe mottled look) that many find attractive. (Sorry if this 2nd is a stupid Q) - once one has spliced there stipstogether - can one do additional heat treatments to reduce strains andwarping or will the splicing glue let loose. If one can heat treat aftersplicing - what is the recommend glue. Or are the strips just straightenoughthat one really never would need to do this. Oh - and yes I realize thatIwould need to build a full length oven to accomplish this. ThanksRob W. /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Jan 29 07:24:00 2001 f0TDNwe28686 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:23:57 +0800 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:23:56 +0800 Subject: Re: Nodeless construction and Flaming I don't want to go down this path :-) Tony PS What you said about losing socks etc in the toilet, Tony! And it may be of some interest to think, on this thread, that the French"bidet" means "a small horse". /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was a Red Back on the toilet seat when I was there last night.I didn't see him in the dark but BOY I felt his bite! /*************************************************************************/ from steve@hamiltonrods.com Mon Jan 29 08:54:10 2001 f0TEs9e01335 Service Version 5.5.2448.0) Subject: Nyatex heat treating followup Yesterday I mentioned that I heat-treat my blanks immediatelyfollowing glue- up to quick set the Nyatex epoxy. What I've been doingis using my existing heat oven but putting the blanks in for a shortertime than the initial heat- treatment. The idea is to get the glue to its setting temperature for therequired length of time (and sorry I don't have the Nyatexdocumentation in front of me to give the specific data here), but NOTdamage the blank. For best results, you should probably lower thetemperature of your oven (or use the low setting on your heat gun ifyou're using a duct oven) to prevent darkening or damaging the blank.I have yet to damage a blank in this manner, but I have had a bit ofuneven darkening of the cane in one instance where I forgot to rotatethe blank. I doubt anyone but me would notice it, however. Since mostof my rods are flamed it's not a big concern, but if you're trying tokeep your blanks a pekid green color this technique might not be foryou :) Here are a couple of hints: (1) When the glue warms up it will have the tendency to bubble up,with excess glue bubbling out onto the binding thread. At first Ithought this might compromise the amount of glue inside the blank, butI have had no problems whatsoever with the eight rods I've done thiswith. I think it's simply excess glue. If you don't clean up excessglue while binding, you'll likely have to sand off the thread.Otherwise, you'll be able to simply peel away the thread. (2) Bubbling glue can cause the blank to adhere to your heat oven!This is easily solved by rotating the blank while it cures. As acaution, however, I always first place the blank in my oven skinny endfirst. I do this because if the blank does stick a bit I can gentlytap the fat end of the blank. If the glue is still warm it shouldeasily come free. (3) When you pull the blank out, it may be too hot to work withbarehanded, but I've found that during cooldown I can easily rub orflick glue globs from the blank (using thin gloves). Once the blankhas cooled down that glue must be scraped or sanded off. As soon asthe blank is warm enough to touch (but still quite warm) I remove thebinding thread. It's much easier at that point than when the rod hascooled. (4) If the blank is damp to the touch when you remove it from theoven, the glue has probably not yet cured. If your oven has cool spotsyou need to make sure you flip or rotate the blank to get even curing. (5) I really have enjoyed the technique of using vinegar duringglue-up to remove excess glue (props to whoever suggested that idea),but I've had a bit of worry that it might introduce moisture. Usingthis heat treating technique, I have no fear of that, so I use vinegarwith reckless abandon. Obviously, if you're going to try this technique you're going to wantto do it on a rod that you can afford to ruin. You'll need toexperiment with how long to cure the blank and such. Again, in my ductoven it takes about 20-25 minutes to treat the rough strips but only8-10 minutes or so to set the glue. Tip sections take even less timeand I'm really cautious with those to keep the delicate tip away fromthe hottest part of the oven. BTW, others have suggested to me that Shell Epon works in a similarmanner to Nyatex, although in the specific examples provided to me thecuring phase where at a much lower temperature (200 degrees F for acouple hours or so) than I use. Best of luck, --Steve from jojo@ipa.net Mon Jan 29 09:10:54 2001 f0TFAse02074 Subject: Re: London Here, I have this for snobs. (_|_) There, I feel better. I've just moonedthe whole House of Wank. Yeah, I'd rather have them an anachronism ofwhichI could poke fun than to have had them succumb to contemporaneity.M-D (which stands for Mooned 'Dem) Tony Young wrote: can be agrivating and is outright snobery but it's a bit like folk cultureie. Morris Dancers in reverse, sort of freak show stuff with no apparentpurpose in this day and age but it's all a part of the name and personaly Ilike to think that kind of thing is still possible otherwise the wholeworld would become a Big Mac.Just think of them as cave men on display ;-) Tony At 04:00 PM 1/28/01 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote:My only experience with Hardy is that related by Paul and others who seemtohave found them completely unhelpful in virtually every respect. Hmmm,evenif the Wanks had the Para 16 taper I doubt they'd divulge it any more thanthey've given Paul the Jock Scott taper. Hardy -- House of Wank. Duuuude.8^}O (This is all in fun, kinda', sorta', in a way. Should anyone beoffended take these . They're chill pills. Call me in the morning.)M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Carsten Jorgensen" Let me guess. He asked them for a Para 16 taper,andthey clearly misunderstood. Jo-Jo-??? regards,carsten ----- Original Message -----From: stuart moultrie hey Jojo, Did you have some earth shattering experience with hardys? come onyoucan tellus, we're all friends here. Stuart Jojo DeLancier wrote: Sam, While you are at Hardy, ask the bunch of tight-lipped wankers for theJockScott taper. Send it to Paul. I'm sure he'll appreciate it. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "paul.blakley" I would suggest that if your in the city a visit to Pall Mall wouldbeworthwhile !Here within a very short space you will be able to visit Farlows atNo 5Pall Mall,Sportfish at No 13 Pall Mall and House of Hardy at No 61.Enjoy your trip ........Paul SWSnead@aol.com wrote: I will be going to London this coming Friday for about a week andwaswondering if there was anything related to fly fishing orrodmaking thatIshould see while I'm there. /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Jan 29 09:39:00 2001 f0TFcxe03283 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:38:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Nyatex heat treating followup Steve,Just wanted to remind everyone that Wayne C. recommends heat settingNyatex for 3 hours at 235* F. Some time ago, we had a discussion aboutthe various methods of heat setting Nyatex and similar epoxies. I thinkthe conclusion was that the glue doesn't really have an opinion on how itreaches its cured state. I remember calling the Nyatex folks severalyears ago and they told me that 325* F for 7 minutes accomplishes thesamething as the 235* for 3 hours. I've started using Epon instead of Nyatex. It's much less unpleasantto work with, and seems to cause less exothermic heat (talking over myhead here, folks -- not sure if that's the right term) when mixed. Put itthis way - Nyatex will eat a butter dish. Epon will not. I spread the glue, bind the rod, and clean about 90% of the excessglue away with white vinegar. I wouldn't try this with glue lines! Istraighten the sections, then hang them overnight. The next day, I removethe binding cord (it just unwinds), and again wipe down with vinegar. Withsome judicious use of a thumbnail, I can get about half the remaining glueoff. So I am left with only about 5% of the original glue on the exteriorof the rod. Then I re-bind the sections, and heat set the Epon for 4hours at 185* F in a Cattanach style oven. When the section is removed from the oven, the cord comes off with zero trouble, and the tiny bit ofremaining glue is filed or sanded away. (I use an old, worn-out, dull 6"mill file). This whole process works equally as well with Nyatex. The onlydifference is the heat curing is at 235* for 3 hours. None of this is original thinking. All of it was gleaned from listmembers in the past. I've tried to credit the right person with thevinegar idea, but no one seems to admit originating that thinking. What seems strange to me is that some folks won't use this method.They actually seem to prefer sanding and filing all the string and glueaway. Can't imagine why... Hope this helps,Harry Steve Zimmerman wrote: Yesterday I mentioned that I heat-treat my blanks immediatelyfollowing glue- up to quick set the Nyatex epoxy. What I've been doingis using my existing heat oven but putting the blanks in for a shortertime than the initial heat- treatment. --Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Mon Jan 29 09:54:53 2001 f0TFsme04169 (62.188.28.136) Subject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C08A0B.F8B10D00 Thanks, I already have this address, (=A380+ a bail, available end feb/ =beginning mar)I was rather hoping there might be sumbody nearer to me and I don't =think I need an entire bail at the moment. Cheers! SteVe Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:39 AMSubject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) I live in Germany and Ralf Ladda and I ordered Tonkin from Center Cane =Company in England. They were quick and the Tonkin Cane is good. They = I do not seem to have the contact number here at the = The list, Do any English members of the list Know of any suppliers =of Tonkin cane, suitable for rod making in this country. I have one 12' =lenght I aquired some years back, which should get me started. I'm =copying the tip of a 10' 8" trotting rod I was given. I also have a =couple of bits of 'Spanish reed' which I intend to make into another ='bottom rod Ta. SteVe Jorvik ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C08A0B.F8B10D00 Thanks, I already have this address, (=A380+ a bail, = beginning mar)I was rather hoping there might be sumbody nearerto = don't think I need an entire bail at the moment. Cheers! SteVe ----- Original Message ----- stuart= Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001= AM (England) I live in Germany and Ralf Ladda and I ordered Tonkin from Center = Company in England. They were quick and the Tonkin Cane is good. They = I do not seem to have the contact number here at the = The list, Do any English = list Know of any suppliers of Tonkin cane, suitable for rod making = country. I have one 12' lenght I aquired some years back, which = me started. I'm copying the tip of a 10' 8" trotting rod I was = I also have a couple of bits of 'Spanish reed' which = ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C08A0B.F8B10D00-- from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Mon Jan 29 09:57:32 2001 f0TFvWe04417 (62.188.28.136) Subject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) Cheers Paul, I'llhetr your offer in mind, mean while i'see how i get on. SteVe ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) Steve,I live on Teeside !I 'll get back to you with suppliers later this week.It may however be best not buy a serious quantity of bamboo but waituntil the UK meeting at which you should be able to meet a few pro's whowould sell/ give you a few culms.I currently have enough bamboo for 10 years at my current rate ofrodmaking ) 3-4 rods per year but if you were really stuck I couldsupply you with a few culms.....time for bed now, the school droptomorrow followed by the office........Paul SteVe Cook wrote: Paul,York (famed for it's catastrophic floods?) If you could keep me informed about the 'gathering' I would be mostgrateful Ta. SteVe ----- Original Message -----From: "paul.blakley" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:19 PMSubject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) Steve,Before I answer this question could you please advise where you live ?It may be that I have a contact in your area who may be able to sellyoua limited quantity rather than buy a full bale .....regards .....Paul SteVe Cook wrote: The list, Do any English members of the list Know of any suppliers of Tonkincane, suitable for rod making in this country. I have one 12' lenghtIaquired some years back, which should get me started. I'm copyingthetip of a 10' 8" trotting rod I was given. I also have a couple of bits of 'Spanish reed' which I intend tomakeinto another 'bottom rod Ta. SteVe Jorvik from Ralf.Ladda@t-online.de Mon Jan 29 10:17:23 2001 f0TGHMe05291 fwd00.sul.t-online.com +0100 Subject: Bait Rods for big catfish Hi list, a friend of mine asked me whether I could make him a bait rod for thebig catfish in our rivers in Germany (Okay, okay we are not talkingabout fly rods here - my friend just loves to fix dead fish to a gianthook and catch these nasty old catfish swimming around in the muddywater). I'm talking about catfish ca. 4 feet long and very heavy - soit's got to be a very strong rod. Does anybody have an idea on taperswhich I could use? Thanks in advance Ralf from Germany from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Mon Jan 29 10:22:20 2001 f0TGMEe05623 (62.188.156.91) Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C08A0F.D0468940 I have used ferrule plugs for years, on both glass and carbon rods. I =make thm from Wine corks or similar and small door/drawer knobs (stained=and varnished). They look very 'pretty' and don't half stop all manner =of crap from getting in. SteVe Cook ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C08A0F.D0468940 I have used ferrule plugs for years, on both glass = rods. I make thm from Wine corks or similar and small door/drawer knobs = and varnished). They look very 'pretty' and don't half stop all manner = from getting in. SteVe Cook ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C08A0F.D0468940-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Mon Jan 29 10:27:52 2001 f0TGRpe05945 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:14:07 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs I once made them from hard balsa, turning a tight fitting dowel, to fit eachferrule. One other thing they do, is to stop eventual corrosion of the N.S.,over time !GMA from lawdevil@ix.netcom.com Mon Jan 29 10:52:15 2001 f0TGqEe07160 Subject: heat treating - oven Hi folks! I have been lurking here for awhile trying to learn something beforeI actually get up the nerve to get serious about this cane rod project I havebeen gathering tools and supplies for for the last couple of years. I amgetting closer to actually trying to produce a rod. Last year I got a "kit" from Wayne C consisting of the duct and insulationneeded for an oven. I lost the information I had as to the heating elementand thermostat that I need. Could someone tell me what model element andthermostat I need and where to obtain them. Thanks, Mike from rcolo@ix.netcom.com Mon Jan 29 11:49:50 2001 f0THnne10092 Subject: Re: Payne 198 Hi Rich,I ended up buying the rod. I love that tippy type action for doing delicatestuff in close. Your information was very informative. Thanks for the timeyou spent researching it. The bag that my rod came with was the green bagcommon to the '40's. The rod will take a 4/5 line. After 1950 they put ascrewlock reelseat on it and beefed up the taper. It's interesting thatmost of the Granger and Payne rods got stronger and stronger as time wenton. Could it have been a result of getting away from silk lines?Interesting. Again, thanks to everyone for their help. Rich-----Original Message----- Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Payne 198 The 1975 Payne catalog lists the 198 as a 7'6" 3 piece and characterizes itas "Fast DF-6" (6 wt line), 3 3/4 oz -- 3 7/8 oz. (weight with a slidingbandseat). The 1951 catalog lists the same data except there is norecommendedline. The 1931 catlaog lists a 7'6" 3 piece rod with a weight of 3 -- 31/4oz., substantially lighter. --Rich from flyfish@defnet.com Mon Jan 29 11:57:24 2001 f0THvNe10491 Subject: Re: Ain't It Devine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0898E.191769A0 You got my curiosity !I am very interested in seeing pictures off this rod .I can't seem to figure out what it is by the description.Is it a short rod? swelled butt ? Can you tell if it isCalcutta cane or Tonkin? If you are doing work on it,I would stop at this point, as to not erase any clues. Until we can =figure out what it is. You might(and I say this with some reservation) =have a valuable rod on you hands. Don't hold me to this yet. I will need =to see those pictures.Send them when you get a chance.Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0898E.191769A0 John You got my curiosity !I am very interested in seeing pictures= rod .I can't seem to figure out what it is = description.Is it a short rod? swelled butt ? Can = it isCalcutta cane or Tonkin? If you are = it,I would stop at this point, as to not = some reservation) have a valuable rod on you hands. Don't hold me to = will need to see those pictures.Send them when you get a =chance.TonyMiller ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0898E.191769A0-- from flyfish@defnet.com Mon Jan 29 12:07:26 2001 f0TI7Pe10981 Subject: Re: Ain't it Devine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C0898F.80003600 JohnDoes the cap, on the bottom of the reel seat, havea pattern, on the very bottom of it? ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C0898F.80003600 JohnDoes the cap, on the bottom of the reel= havea pattern, on the very bottom of =it?Tony = ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C0898F.80003600-- from jcmd@sympatico.ca Mon Jan 29 12:33:29 2001 f0TIXTe12261 Subject: Thread for Heddon Faux-Bamboo Hello All, I just saw the mention of guides for Heddon rods. In about 1962 my father,while in England, bought a nice Hardy Hollolight Bamboo rod, which I am verypleased to own, along with a couple reels (Princess and Featherweight)whichstill see a lot of use. But he also bought a bamboo coloured fiberglass rod,a Heddon Pal #8353 Mark II - 7*' Fas-Tip Action, Line - D - HDH or HDG.Phew. According to my Dad, several years ago, the salesman Mr. Crockart (hisnameis on the back of the Messrs. Hardy Bros. (Alnwick) Ltd. business card) saidthis was the first fiberglass rod which was found (by the esteemed Messrs.Hardy, I presume) good enough to be sold by the firm! Oh well. Anyway, I'll probably buy the stripper guide that's been missing for a fewyears on the Heddon, and a couple of the snakes. I am assuming these arethesame as used on the Heddon bamboo rods, so that's why I have the audacitytoraise the subject here. The guide for the position above the firststripperis missing, and I cannot remember whether it was a second stripperguide or a snake guide. Another snake is also missing. I have also beenunable to find the extra deep burgundy winding thread of the original. Afterbuying a couple of spools of thread that weren't even close, I put the rodaside for (much) later, which is now. But all that was before this list. So does anyone have this information so I can restore this rod to somethingnear original. It's no Gillum for sure, but in memory of the previous owner,I'd like to get it as right as possible, without being ridiculous about it. Thanks and Cheers Marc Dupuis ps. I'm also emailing the contact at the site Brian Creek told us about. Hemay have some informaton to go along with his hardware. from cattanac@wmis.net Mon Jan 29 12:41:50 2001 f0TIfne12722 Subject: Re: heat treating - oven Grand Technologies - Grand Rapids, MI - 616 - 656 - 0866----- Original Message ----- Subject: heat treating - oven Hi folks! I have been lurking here for awhile trying to learn somethingbefore I actually get up the nerve to get serious about this cane rodproject I have been gathering tools and supplies for for the last couple ofyears. I am getting closer to actually trying to produce a rod. Last year I got a "kit" from Wayne C consisting of the duct and insulationneeded for an oven. I lost the information I had as to the heating elementand thermostat that I need. Could someone tell me what model element andthermostat I need and where to obtain them. Thanks, Mike from Canerods@aol.com Mon Jan 29 13:12:52 2001 f0TJCpe14232 Subject: Re: The joys of ferrule cement --part1_f6.7047b82.27a71a92_boundary Reed, What are you trying to do - cut into my business by giving away all the trade secrets. Don Burns PS - I learned this leason on a nice 8'0" Thomas Chubb that I was restoring. --part1_f6.7047b82.27a71a92_boundary Reed, What are you trying to do - cut into my business by giving away all thetrade Don Burns PS - I learned this leason on a nice 8'0" Thomas Chubb that I wasrestoring. --part1_f6.7047b82.27a71a92_boundary-- from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Mon Jan 29 13:26:17 2001 (may be forged)) f0TJQHe14796 Subject: Orvis Rod Background At the risk of using bandwidth better left for international commodespeculations, I could use some help estimating the value of an Orvis bamboorod a friend of mine has had for many years. It's a Battenkill but not one Ifind listed in the few sources I have. Also, he says it was the personal rodof the Mr. Coleman who owned the Coleman camping equipment company,until myfriend bought it from Coleman's widow about 18 years ago. The rod is a Battenkill Impregnated 3-piece (that's right, 3 pieces) two-tip8 1/2" rod for 7wt line, serial #43310. The cane is very dark, the ferrulesare blackened nickel silver, and the reel seat is an all-metal aluminumdownlocking screw seat. It looks like it's never been fished and comes inthe original tube (also the original plastic bag for the tube). The tube hassome minor dings on the cap but basically looks new. Now I may buy this rod but the owner IS a friend, so I need to figure out areasonable price. I don't want to cheat him, but I don't want to make himany happier than necessary, it will only go to his head. Any help you cangive me to date and price the rod will be appreciated. Thanks in advance -- Barry Kling from rambo2_98@yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 13:50:24 2001 f0TJoOe16023 2001 11:50:24 PST Subject: Re: heat treating - oven Try Omega header Co., Ronkonkoma, NY 516-588-8820 When I checked several years ago (when I was buildingovens), they had the best price even though there's asmall minimum order. You should be able to partner upwith a few others who are interested. ----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:52 AMSubject: heat treating - oven Hi folks! I have been lurking here for awhiletrying to learn somethingbefore I actually get up the nerve to get seriousabout this cane rodproject I have been gathering tools and supplies for years. I am getting closer to actually trying toproduce a rod. Last year I got a "kit" from Wayne C consisting ofthe duct and insulationneeded for an oven. I lost the information I had asto the heating elementand thermostat that I need. Could someone tell mewhat model element andthermostat I need and where to obtain them. Thanks, Mike __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online!http://photos.yahoo.com/ from teekay35@interlynx.net Mon Jan 29 14:27:55 2001 f0TKRse17894 Subject: Re: Payne 198 I think a lot of the early rods had what was called a "striking" tip toprotect the gut leaders that were in common use. With the advent of nylonrod tips could be made stronger. ----------From: rcolo Subject: Re: Payne 198Date: Monday, January 29, 2001 9:44 AM Hi Rich,I ended up buying the rod. I love that tippy type action for doingdelicatestuff in close. Your information was very informative. Thanks for thetimeyou spent researching it. The bag that my rod came with was the greenbagcommon to the '40's. The rod will take a 4/5 line. After 1950 they putascrewlock reelseat on it and beefed up the taper. It's interesting thatmost of the Granger and Payne rods got stronger and stronger as timewenton. Could it have been a result of getting away from silk lines?Interesting. Again, thanks to everyone for their help. Rich-----Original Message-----From: RMargiotta@aol.com Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:35 AMSubject: Re: Payne 198 The 1975 Payne catalog lists the 198 as a 7'6" 3 piece and characterizesitas "Fast DF-6" (6 wt line), 3 3/4 oz -- 3 7/8 oz. (weight with a slidingbandseat). The 1951 catalog lists the same data except there is norecommendedline. The 1931 catlaog lists a 7'6" 3 piece rod with a weight of 3 -- 31/4oz., substantially lighter. --Rich from flyfish@defnet.com Mon Jan 29 14:32:11 2001 f0TKWAe18155 Subject: Re: Devine ,F.E.Thomas This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C089A3.B7CCC9E0 JohnMike's book is excellent to follow, I have referred to itMany many times. I'm glad to hear you mapped it out.That was the right thing to do. Wait a minute !I'm looking through my books and I think I have it!You have a F.E. Thomas I'm pretty sure at this point.but will still have to see it.Approximate value in mint condition around $700.00I'll bet if it is, that makes you Happy(don't hold me to this just quite =yet). still got to confirm. Of course restoring it drops the value but =if all the parts are still intact ,and you mapped it, it will once again =become a great rod! Very similar to a Devine BTW.Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C089A3.B7CCC9E0 JohnMike's book is excellent to = referred to itMany many times. I'm glad to hear you = out.That was the right thing to = I'm looking through my books and I = it!You have a F.E. = but will still have to see =it.Approximate value in mint condition = $700.00I'll bet if it is, that makes you = me to this just quite yet). still got to confirm. Of course restoring it = the value but if all the parts are still intact ,and you mapped it, it = again become a great rod! Very similar to a Devine BTW.TonyMiller ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C089A3.B7CCC9E0-- from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Mon Jan 29 14:33:04 2001 f0TKX3e18255 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:32:39 +0000 Subject: Re: Thread for Heddon Faux-Bamboo Marc,If the Heddon rings you are speaking of are those as advertised recentlyre Macatawa bait Co you are going to be very dissapointed !I recently returned a package containing circa 20 of the agates asadvertised to Mr Smith.I am sure Mr Smith is a genuine and sincereindividual but the rings I received ( on approval ) were all badlycorroded/oxidised, some of the ring cases were cracked and many of theagates were cracked/chipped. All the rings I received had been usedpreviously and were in very poor / unusable condition.I would suggestyou look elsewhere for your replacements........Paul Marc Dupuis wrote: Hello All, I just saw the mention of guides for Heddon rods. In about 1962 my father,while in England, bought a nice Hardy Hollolight Bamboo rod, which I am verypleased to own, along with a couple reels (Princess andFeatherweight)whichstill see a lot of use. But he also bought a bamboo coloured fiberglass rod,a Heddon Pal #8353 Mark II - 7*' Fas-Tip Action, Line - D - HDH or HDG.Phew. According to my Dad, several years ago, the salesman Mr. Crockart (hisnameis on the back of the Messrs. Hardy Bros. (Alnwick) Ltd. business card)saidthis was the first fiberglass rod which was found (by the esteemedMessrs.Hardy, I presume) good enough to be sold by the firm! Oh well. Anyway, I'll probably buy the stripper guide that's been missing for a fewyears on the Heddon, and a couple of the snakes. I am assuming these arethesame as used on the Heddon bamboo rods, so that's why I have theaudacity toraise the subject here. The guide for the position above the firststripper is missing, and I cannot remember whether it was a secondstripperguide or a snake guide. Another snake is also missing. I have also beenunable to find the extra deep burgundy winding thread of the original. Afterbuying a couple of spools of thread that weren't even close, I put the rodaside for (much) later, which is now. But all that was before this list. So does anyone have this information so I can restore this rod tosomethingnear original. It's no Gillum for sure, but in memory of the previous owner,I'd like to get it as right as possible, without being ridiculous about it. Thanks and Cheers Marc Dupuis ps. I'm also emailing the contact at the site Brian Creek told us about. Hemay have some informaton to go along with his hardware. from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Mon Jan 29 14:48:04 2001 f0TKlpe19220 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:47:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) The UK suppliers list to the best of my knowledge is currently asfollows; Center Cane Company ( a proven supplier ) tel 0277-363285 Jacobs Young & Westbury ( a proven supplier ) tel 0444-412-411This company is sometimes short of stock! Palmyra tel 0900 812796, Iam not sure if these are still trading ? Bamboo Garden tel 01926 633 286 OK for single culms Orange Dragon Corporation tel 01493 720770 OK for single culms Rhino Products tel01622 872403 OK for single culms . Agutters tel 0233 626748 , about £10 a culm with delivery at about £20 Note; a Bale of say 15 sometimes 20 poles from the Center Cane Companywill when delivered and VAT paid to a UK address cost about £200sterling .It should also be realised that half of the poles receivedwill be of no real use for rod building........Paul stuart moultrie wrote: Hi Steve I live in Germany and Ralf Ladda and I ordered Tonkin from Center CaneCompany in England. They were quick and the Tonkin Cane is good. Theyhave something to do with Andy Royer I think. I do not seem to have the contact number here at themoment........anyone else?....Ralf? Stuart SteVe Cook wrote: The list, Do any English members of the list Know of any suppliersof Tonkin cane, suitable for rod making in this country. I have one12' lenght I aquired some years back, which should get me started.I'm copying the tip of a 10' 8" trotting rod I was given. I alsohave a couple of bits of 'Spanish reed' which I intend to make intoanother 'bottom rod Ta. SteVe Jorvik from flyfish@defnet.com Mon Jan 29 15:18:28 2001 f0TLIRe20697 Subject: Re: Orvis Rod Background This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C089AA.2EB78A80 BarryHere is a suggestion. You can call Orvis and give them the no# on the =rod. They will tell you, who made it(hopefully Wes Jordan),When it was =made , who originally bought it,what it cost, when it was sold, and what it is supposed to come with it. =I have done this before and they were very helpful. Have a pen & paper =ready when they call you back.You will be surprised to find out what a new splitcane fly rod cost back = mint condition with everything. It would go for right around$500.00 maybe a little less maybe a little more. Depends on the buyer =and the seller. It probably sold for about $75.00New( just an educated guess)Hope this helped ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C089AA.2EB78A80 BarryHere is a suggestion. You can call = Jordan),When it was made , who originally bought it,what it cost, when it was sold, and = supposed to come with it. I have done this before and they were very = Have a pen & paper ready when they call you back.You will be surprised to find out what = splitcane fly rod cost back then. I would guesstimate that if the rod is = mint condition with everything. It = right around$500.00 maybe a little less maybe a = $75.00New( just an educated =guess)Hope this helpedTony = ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C089AA.2EB78A80-- from ddeloach@pcisys.net Mon Jan 29 16:24:52 2001 f0TMOpe23961 env- from (ddeloach@pcisys.net) Subject: Re: Orvis Rod Background Any help you cangive me to date and price the rod will be appreciated. Barry, FYI my 1970 Orvis catalog lists this rod at $165. If its an earlierWes Jordan made rod, it would go for $500-$800 in unfished condition onebay. from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Mon Jan 29 16:30:22 2001 f0TMUKe24341 ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:29:19 -0500 Subject: NJ Show How was the NJ show? Anyone go?Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Mon Jan 29 16:56:01 2001 f0TMu0e25693 (62.188.15.146) Subject: Re: Bait Rods for big catfish Having seen one of these great ugly monsters lead an angler a merry dance rebuilding might be somthing suitable. I haven't had chance to 'flex' ityet as the the ferrules are a bit doubtful. Let me know if your interestedand I'll give it a measure when I've got the varnish of. SteVe CookYork ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Bait Rods for big catfish Hi list, a friend of mine asked me whether I could make him a bait rod for thebig catfish in our rivers in Germany (Okay, okay we are not talkingabout fly rods here - my friend just loves to fix dead fish to a gianthook and catch these nasty old catfish swimming around in the muddywater). I'm talking about catfish ca. 4 feet long and very heavy - soit's got to be a very strong rod. Does anybody have an idea on taperswhich I could use? Thanks in advance Ralf from Germany from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Mon Jan 29 16:59:21 2001 f0TMxKe25951 (62.188.15.146) "Rodmakers" Subject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) tHanks Paul, I'll see how I get on with the bit I've got. (Just split it today) so thefirst rod(well part of one- a spare tip for my trotting rod) is underway. SteVeYork ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Bamboo suplliers (England) The UK suppliers list to the best of my knowledge is currently asfollows; Center Cane Company ( a proven supplier ) tel 0277-363285 Jacobs Young & Westbury ( a proven supplier ) tel 0444-412-411This company is sometimes short of stock! Palmyra tel 0900 812796, Iam not sure if these are still trading ? Bamboo Garden tel 01926 633 286 OK for single culms Orange Dragon Corporation tel 01493 720770 OK for single culms Rhino Products tel01622 872403 OK for single culms . Agutters tel 0233 626748 , about £10 a culm with delivery at about £20 Note; a Bale of say 15 sometimes 20 poles from the Center Cane Companywill when delivered and VAT paid to a UK address cost about £200sterling .It should also be realised that half of the poles receivedwill be of no real use for rod building........Paul stuart moultrie wrote: Hi Steve I live in Germany and Ralf Ladda and I ordered Tonkin from Center CaneCompany in England. They were quick and the Tonkin Cane is good. Theyhave something to do with Andy Royer I think. I do not seem to have the contact number here at themoment........anyone else?....Ralf? Stuart SteVe Cook wrote: The list, Do any English members of the list Know of any suppliersof Tonkin cane, suitable for rod making in this country. I have one12' lenght I aquired some years back, which should get me started.I'm copying the tip of a 10' 8" trotting rod I was given. I alsohave a couple of bits of 'Spanish reed' which I intend to make intoanother 'bottom rod Ta. SteVe Jorvik from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Mon Jan 29 17:01:26 2001 f0TN1Pe26179 (62.188.15.146) Subject: Re: Bait Rods for big catfish ralf, The French trolling rod i posted earlier might be of some use also SteVeYork ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Bait Rods for big catfish Hi list, a friend of mine asked me whether I could make him a bait rod for thebig catfish in our rivers in Germany (Okay, okay we are not talkingabout fly rods here - my friend just loves to fix dead fish to a gianthook and catch these nasty old catfish swimming around in the muddywater). I'm talking about catfish ca. 4 feet long and very heavy - soit's got to be a very strong rod. Does anybody have an idea on taperswhich I could use? Thanks in advance Ralf from Germany from Canerods@aol.com Mon Jan 29 17:06:01 2001 f0TN60e26531 Subject: Re: Orvis Rod Background --part1_af.66c7249.27a75133_boundary In a message dated 1/29/01 11:27:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, KlingB@health.missouri.edu writes: The rod is a Battenkill Impregnated 3-piece (that's right, 3 pieces) two-tip Three piece Battenkills are worth more than the more common 2 piece rods except when the rod is for aheavier line wt. Take a look at this online reference: http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/canecoun/orvis.htm Don Burns --part1_af.66c7249.27a75133_boundary In a message dated1/29/01 11:27:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, KlingB@health.missouri.edu writes: The rod is aBattenkill Impregnated 3-piece (that's right, 3 pieces) two-tip8 1/2" rod for 7wt line, serial #43310. Three piece Battenkills are worth more than the more common 2 piecerods except when the rod is for aheavier line wt. http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/canecoun/orvis.htm Don Burns --part1_af.66c7249.27a75133_boundary-- from HomeyDKlown@att.net Mon Jan 29 18:05:22 2001 f0U05He28558 ;Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:05:09 +0000 Subject: Re: NJ Show Hi Bob, I went, but I didn't get to talk to everyone as much as I wanted tobecause I was with two newbies and we were trying to get them outfittedwith gear. For that I apologize to those I cut visits short on, whichwas pretty much everyone. The show was an assault on the senses for a gearhead like me. Therewere all kinds of goodies, some too good to pass up! ;-) Of course, theusual plastic purveyors were there. I was a little disappointed in thatI didn't see Bill Ballan there this year. It was good to see JohnZimny, Tom Whittle, Art Port, John Miller, Bob, Venneri, Russ Gooding,Jerry Girard, and LOTS of others (the CRS is kicking in full strengthright now!) whom I've left out (again, I apologize). The CatskillsFlyfishing Center sent a representative and he brought the "Rod withMany Fathers" along. Tom Smithwick did a great job of finishing it up. Trout Unlimited had several chapters represented. Fred Moran was thereas well, but I couldn't get near him. He was chatting with severalfolks when I got to his "area". Obviously there was much, much more there than I've described in thislittle missive. Maybe some others who were there (with bettershort-term memory) can help me out a bit. Dennis PS: I heard rumor that the Bait Fisherman made an appearance too! Bob Maulucci wrote: How was the NJ show? Anyone go?Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Mon Jan 29 18:10:21 2001 f0U0AKe28881 f0U0A4I18465; Subject: Re: NJ Show On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Bob Maulucci wrote: How was the NJ show? Anyone go?Bob Maulucci Crowded! My highlite was casting a Genesee Valley Bamboo 3wt. 2nd placewas reuniting a 15 year old Huisman 3/4wt midge with it's creator fora short while (and casting the rod too). 3rd place was planning aLabrador trip. 4th..... well I'll stop now. Regards, BobFly Supplieshttp://flysupplies.homepage.com/ from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Mon Jan 29 18:14:21 2001 f0U0ELe29075 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:13:05 -0500 Subject: Re: NJ Show So Joe was there (Genesee Valley Rods). His rods are awesome aren't they. Was that the 6'8" Thomas or something else? Wow, I hope JOe sees this.Thanks,Bob At 07:10 PM 1/29/2001 -0500, rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Bob Maulucci wrote: How was the NJ show? Anyone go?Bob Maulucci Crowded! My highlite was casting a Genesee Valley Bamboo 3wt. 2nd placewas reuniting a 15 year old Huisman 3/4wt midge with it's creator fora short while (and casting the rod too). 3rd place was planning aLabrador trip. 4th..... well I'll stop now. Regards, BobFly Supplieshttp://flysupplies.homepage.com/ Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Mon Jan 29 18:32:42 2001 f0U0Wge29809 Subject: Fwd: NJ Show --part1_8c.1b4da31.27a76591_boundary www.geneseevalleyrods.com --part1_8c.1b4da31.27a76591_boundary Full-name: Eastkoyfly Subject: Re: NJ Show Bob Thanks, and it was a pleasure meeting you. B.T.W great hot dogs. I saw a whole bunch of great rods at the show. Jeff W, John Z, Russ G, Tom W, Per B and George M, .... GREAT WORK GUY'S! Got to meet with Bob Venneri and see some new stuff he is working on. All in all it was a great time! Joseph A Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com --part1_8c.1b4da31.27a76591_boundary-- from dutcher@email.msn.com Mon Jan 29 19:09:50 2001 f0U19oe00791 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:09:18 -0800 Subject: Re: NJ Show / Is the attachment Safe? Just to be on the safe side is this attachment safe? DickRichard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Eastkoyfly@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 4:32 PMSubject: Fwd: NJ Show www.geneseevalleyrods.com from flyfish@defnet.com Mon Jan 29 19:18:09 2001 f0U1I8e01123 Subject: Re: Rattan Grips This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C089CB.A35FB9E0 JojoDo you know what type and size that Demarest sell?Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C089CB.A35FB9E0 JojoDo you know what type and size that = sell?TonyMiller ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C089CB.A35FB9E0-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Mon Jan 29 19:40:38 2001 be forged)) f0U1ebe01859 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:34:24 -0600 Subject: Re: Orvis Rod Background If I recall correctly, the Jordan impregnated rods lasted through most ofthe 1960's. After that I'm not sure.GMA from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Mon Jan 29 21:43:57 2001 f0U3hue04257 Subject: Attachment GuysSorry about the attachment. I was trying to reply to the N. J show post and didn't hit reply all, so I just forwarded the message back to the list and it got sent as an attachment. Joewww.geneseevalleyrods.com from djk762@earthlink.net Mon Jan 29 21:49:28 2001 f0U3nRe04519 TAA01393 Subject: shooting heads Rodmakers- Buddy of mine doing well slinging trout patterns at stripers. Uses8wt. shooting heads off of a 9ft graphite. Any suggestions of thecharacter of a good bamboo taper for such fishing? I've never usedshooting heads and have only used sink -tips sparingly. Don't much likethe casting but the catching sounds interesting.What tapers do you surf casters use? Is this Para territory? -David Kashuba. Sacramento CA. from Troutgetter@aol.com Mon Jan 29 21:56:33 2001 f0U3uWe04816 Subject: Fwd: Bait Rods for big catfish --part1_63.1118dd75.27a79561_boundary In a message dated 1/29/2001 8:18:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ralf.Ladda@t-online.de writes: Ralf,I think I may have just the ticket! A friend gave me a 5' Japanese Tuna rod! Probably about 1" at the butt! It should handle one of those monsters. Letme know if you want me to mic it. A Stanley tape measure would probably do it though!Mike --part1_63.1118dd75.27a79561_boundary Full-name: Troutgetter Subject: Re: Bait Rods for big catfish In a message dated 1/29/2001 8:18:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ralf.Ladda@t-online.de writes: Ralf,I think I may have just the ticket! A friend gave me a 5' Japanese Tuna rod! Probably about 1" at the butt! It should handle one of those monsters. Letme know if you want me to mic it. A Stanley tape measure would probably do it though!Mike --part1_63.1118dd75.27a79561_boundary-- from ctn45555@centurytel.net Mon Jan 29 21:59:30 2001 f0U3xPe05191 Organization: Smith & Boyd Subject: (no subject) I am getting ready to finish a PHY midge blank (first rod) and have twoquestions: 1.) What would be the recommended guide spacing and guide sizes? 2.) When gluing the ferrules, is it a good idea to use a thermal cement,particularly on the first rod? Any help would be greatly apprciated, Chad S. Boyd from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Jan 29 22:40:18 2001 f0U4eHe06250 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:40:15 -0800 Subject: Re: shooting heads David,I built a 8.5' 3 piece 9 weight last spring. Several of the guys atSRG managed to throw an entire Teeny type III shooting head plus backingwith it. Does that sound interesting? I have to admit that it isn't muchfun to hit yourself between the shoulder blades with a size 3/0 AlaskanPopsicle carrying about 1/4 oz. of lead... Harry Boyd David Kashuba wrote: Buddy of mine doing well slinging trout patterns at stripers. Uses8wt. shooting heads off of a 9ft graphite. Any suggestions of thecharacter of a good bamboo taper for such fishing? I've never usedshooting heads and have only used sink -tips sparingly. Don't much likethe casting but the catching sounds interesting. --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."-- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods --http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from bh887@lafn.org Mon Jan 29 23:31:53 2001 f0U5Vpe08485 Subject: Re: Orvis Rod Background Barry, If you can definetly establish the rod was originally purchased and owned byTHE Coleman of Coleman Camping Equipment, the value should shoot upconsiderably on eBay. Its called prov3nance. And it costs! Lee Freeman----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Orvis Rod Background Any help you cangive me to date and price the rod will be appreciated. Barry, FYI my 1970 Orvis catalog lists this rod at $165. If its an earlierWes Jordan made rod, it would go for $500-$800 in unfished condition onebay. from ajthramer@hotmail.com Tue Jan 30 01:42:32 2001 f0U7gVe11385 Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:42:27 -0800 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:42:27 GMT Subject: Re: (no subject) FILETIME=[31953680:01C08A90] From: Amy & Chad Subject: (no subject)Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:31:16 -0800 I am getting ready to finish a PHY midge blank (first rod) and have twoquestions: 1.) What would be the recommended guide spacing and guide sizes? 2.) When gluing the ferrules, is it a good idea to use a thermal cement,particularly on the first rod? Any help would be greatly apprciated, Chad S. Boyd Thermal cement has served me well for several hundred rods. The newplastic base hi-temp stuff is an improvement. Have to use a pin with all thermal cement though.A.J.Thramer_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from RMargiotta@aol.com Tue Jan 30 04:20:34 2001 f0UAKXe12574 Subject: Orvis rod value There is a very similar rod right now on ebay. You might want to track it: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1109990561 --Rich from Ralf.Ladda@t-online.de Tue Jan 30 04:41:46 2001 f0UAfje12886 fwd05.sul.t-online.com Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:07:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Fwd: Bait Rods for big catfish Hi Mike, I'd really appreciate it, if you could send me the taper, and maybe ifit's not to much trouble, the guide spacing and length of grip andreelseat, too. Thanks a lot Ralf Troutgetter@aol.com schrieb: In a message dated 1/29/2001 8:18:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,Ralf.Ladda@t-online.de writes: a friend of mine asked me whether I could make him a bait rod for thebig catfish in our rivers in Germany (Okay, okay we are not talkingabout fly rods here - my friend just loves to fix dead fish to a gianthook and catch these nasty old catfish swimming around in the muddywater). I'm talking about catfish ca. 4 feet long and very heavy - soit's got to be a very strong rod. Does anybody have an idea on taperswhich I could use?> Thanks in advance Ralf from Germany Ralf,I think I may have just the ticket! A friend gave me a 5' Japanese Tuna rod!Probably about 1" at the butt! It should handle one of those monsters. Letmeknow if you want me to mic it. A Stanley tape measure would probably do itthough!Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Betreff: Re: Bait Rods for big catfishDatum: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:53:47 ESTVon: Troutgetter@aol.comAn: Ralf.Ladda@t-online.de In a message dated 1/29/2001 8:18:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,Ralf.Ladda@t-online.de writes: a friend of mine asked me whether I could make him a bait rod for thebig catfish in our rivers in Germany (Okay, okay we are not talkingabout fly rods here - my friend just loves to fix dead fish to a gianthook and catch these nasty old catfish swimming around in the muddywater). I'm talking about catfish ca. 4 feet long and very heavy - soit's got to be a very strong rod. Does anybody have an idea on taperswhich I could use? Thanks in advance Ralf from Germany Ralf,I think I may have just the ticket! A friend gave me a 5' Japanese Tuna rod!Probably about 1" at the butt! It should handle one of those monsters. Letmeknow if you want me to mic it. A Stanley tape measure would probably do itthough!Mike from Ralf.Ladda@t-online.de Tue Jan 30 04:41:49 2001 f0UAfme12891 fwd05.sul.t-online.com Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:07:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Bait Rods for big catfish Hi SteVe, it would help me a lot if you send me the measures. Throw in the guidespacing and the dimensions of grip and reelseat,to, if it's not too muchtrouble. Thanks Ralf SteVe Cook schrieb: Having seen one of these great ugly monsters lead an angler a merrydance rebuilding might be somthing suitable. I haven't had chance to 'flex' ityet as the the ferrules are a bit doubtful. Let me know if your interestedand I'll give it a measure when I've got the varnish of. SteVe CookYork ----- Original Message -----From: "Ralf Ladda" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 4:14 PMSubject: Bait Rods for big catfish Hi list, a friend of mine asked me whether I could make him a bait rod for thebig catfish in our rivers in Germany (Okay, okay we are not talkingabout fly rods here - my friend just loves to fix dead fish to a gianthook and catch these nasty old catfish swimming around in the muddywater). I'm talking about catfish ca. 4 feet long and very heavy - soit's got to be a very strong rod. Does anybody have an idea on taperswhich I could use? Thanks in advance Ralf from Germany from petermckean@netspace.net.au Tue Jan 30 05:04:20 2001 f0UB4Ie13396 f0UB43W40327; Subject: Re: Bamboo ferrules Organization: vet This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C08B07.8EACDFE0 Dennis Sorry to have been away from the list except for brief episodes for the =last few days; have not been ignoring your note. I actually made a PHY Perfectionist and fitted a bamboo ferrule to it, =and yes, I think it has a great action, and while it looks a little =weird, you get used to it pretty soon. I had never read as detailed a description of the boring-out process as =Bob just wrote, and looking back, boy, was I ever lucky! I have a friend with a small Swiss precision instrument lathe, and I =just took it over to him, he chucked up one end of the (very much =overlength) hex section I was using, and drilled it down the middle. =Then, muttering all the time about how he couldn't believe the thing was =as true as it was, he turned the outside down round, and tapered one =end, at the same time leaving a slight flange at the measured end point =on the other end. Talk about God looking after fools! We ran into a bit of trouble at this point, actually - there was a =section of "grey" cane on the end we were tapering down, and when we hit =it with the tool it was like the spaghetti hitting the fan! So we had to =cut out the splattered section, which didn't really matter except that =it left the whole ferrule assembly about 3/4" shorter than I had sort of =figured it ought to be. I just finished it off as usual, with the single exception that I bound =the whole female ferrule right to the end (hence the reason for leaving =the slight flange earlier) with 6/0 silk, Winston style. I soaked the male end and the inside of the female with low-viscosity =cyanoacrylate to harden them - but that doesn't appear to have worked. =Bob suggests that I could soak them in a saturated solution of =Plexiglass in acetone, and that I am in the process of doing. I just =feel a bit underwhelmed by the potential of the unsupported cane to =stand the rigours of repeated assembly and disassembly, but may in fact =be wrong about that. It's just that the whole process of rod building is =so consumptive of time and emotional input that I want the bloody things =to last at least longer than I do! The action of this rod is really great. I will certainly make more; in =fact I have just about finished planing a 6'3" 3-weight from Wayne =Cattanach's book, and will probably bamboo ferrule it as well when it =gets to that stage. But I will spend a lot more time pre-hardening the =female and the males before fitting; AND I shall take note of Bob's =avice and strap the female before boring it out, on the assumption that =mug luck won't happen twice. Incidentally, I am basically a lazy beggar, and I made mine, and will =again, with one female and two males; less work, more rods possible out =of my limited supply of butt scraps. I would make the point though, that I do like these things so well that =I will certainly make up some hex sections specifically for making =ferrules out of, and will impregnate them well in advance. I was so =eager to finish and try the last (and only) one that I banged the whole =thing together in just a week or so of spare time, and didn't do the =details as well as I would have liked. The 3-weight will also be the first rod I have glued with polyurethane =glue, so it may well be a bit of a Heath Robinsonian nightmare; will let =you know. Stay happy Peter Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 9:06 AMSubject: Bamboo ferrules Peter, I received the following email from Bob Nunley. He suggested I =contact you about bamboo ferrules. Also, I noticed your post about engraving. I just ordered James Meeks =book, The Art of Engraving as I would like to do engraving on reel seats =and ferrules. Any thoughts on getting started? Dennis BertramAngola, IN _____________ My fault, I should have been more clear. Before you start =drilling, wrap with heavy nylon wrapping thread using a lot of tension, =then masking tape over the top of that. That will help the piece stay =together while drilling. There is another way, but you need collets and =a collet chuck for your lathe, and that is to turn the O.D. of the piece =round, place it in a collet and drill it. The collet keeps even =pressure on all sides and holds it together during drilling the same way =the nylon wrap and tape do.You might also try moving your tailstock an eight of an inch, back =out, make sure the bit is clean, go in an eighth of an inch farther the =second time, back out, etc. Wood is bad about splitting if the ='shavings' build up in the flutes of a bit when drilling a blind hole, =bamboo is even worse.I like the idea of a nickel welt on the female. It definitely =would add strength, although, I think Peter McKean made a "Force" with a =bamboo ferrule and it's holding up. Not sure that's the taper he made, =but seems like that's what he told me. You might want to check with him =and see if your curious about it. Peter loves to talk about the cane =ferrules. He seemed to really enjoy the rod he made.If you run into anymore problems with this thing, just email or =call and I'll help in any way I can. Later,bob -----Original Message-----From: Dennis Bertram Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:49 PMSubject: Bamboo ferrules Bob, I have been trying to replicate your bamboo ferrule idea on scrap =hex sections and am having trouble drilling. I am using .310 cane across the flats and drill progressively in =1/64 increments. When I get to 14/64 my glue joints pop open. Do you =have any drilling secrets? I have even tried gluing on a small NiS welt to strengthen the cane, =thinking it would add to the final strength of the female member plus =help the drilling. It also looks kind of neat. Possibly the splits are caused by drilling into a blind hole and =pressurizing the cane when I advance the tail stock. Your ideas would be appreciated. Dennis Bertram ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C08B07.8EACDFE0 Dennis Sorry to have been away from the= note. I actually made a PHYPerfectionist = a bamboo ferrule to it, and yes, I think it has a great action, and = looks a little weird, you get used to it pretty soon. I had never read as detailed a = the boring-out process as Bob just wrote, and looking back, boy, was = ever lucky! I have a friend with a small Swiss= instrument lathe, and I just took it over to him, he chucked up one end = (very much overlength) hex section I was using, and drilled it down the = Then, muttering all the time about how he couldn't believe the thing was = same time leaving a slight flange at the measured end point on the other = Talk about God looking after fools! We ran into a bit of trouble at = actually - there was a section of "grey" cane on the end we were = and when we hit it with the tool it was like the spaghetti hitting the = we had to cut out the splattered section, which didn't really matter = it left the whole ferrule assembly about 3/4" shorter than I had sort of = it ought to be. I just finished it off as usual, = single exception that I bound the whole female ferrule right to the end = the reason for leaving the slight flange earlier) with 6/0 silk, Winston = style. I soaked the male end and the = appear to have worked. Bob suggests that I could soak them in a = solution of Plexiglass in acetone, and that I am in the process of = feel a bit underwhelmed by the potential of the unsupported cane to = rigours of repeated assembly and disassembly, but may in fact be wrong = that. It's just that the whole process of rod building is so consumptive = than I do! The action of this rod is really = certainly make more; in fact I have just about finished planing a 6'3" = from Wayne Cattanach's book, and will probably bamboo ferrule it as well = female and the males before fitting; AND I shall take note of Bob's = strap the female before boring it out, on the assumption that mug luck = happen twice. Incidentally, I am basically a lazy = I made mine, and will again, with one female and two males; less work, = possible out of my limited supply of butt scraps. I would make the point though,that = specifically for making ferrules out of, and will impregnate them well = and didn't do the details as well as I would have =liked. The 3-weight will also be the first= glued with polyurethane glue, so it may well be a bit of a Heath = nightmare; will let you know. Stay happy Peter ----- Original Message ----- Bertram Sent: Saturday, January 27, = AMSubject: Bamboo ferrules Peter, I received the following email from Bob = suggested I contact you about bamboo ferrules. ordered James Meeks book, The Art of Engraving as I would like = started? Dennis BertramAngola, IN _____________ Dennis... wrapping thread using a lot of tension, then masking tape over the top = is another way, but you need collets and a collet chuck for your = that is to turn the O.D. of the piece round, place it in a collet and = during drilling the same way the nylon wrap and tape do. also = your tailstock an eight of an inch, back out, make sure the bit is = bad about splitting if the 'shavings' build up in the flutes of a bit = drilling a blind hole, bamboo is even worse. Peter McKean made a "Force" with a bamboo ferrule and it's holding = Not sure that's the taper he made, butseems = seemed to really enjoy the rod he made. into = problems with this thing, just email or call and I'll help in any way = can. Later,bob -----Original = Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:49 PMSubject: ferrulesBob, I have been trying to replicate your bamboo = on scrap hex sections and am having trouble drilling. I have even tried gluing on a small NiS welt to = the cane, thinking it would add to the final strength of the female = neat. Possibly the splits are caused by drilling into = hole and pressurizing the cane when I advance the tail =stock. Your ideas would be appreciated. DennisBertram ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C08B07.8EACDFE0-- from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 30 05:37:22 2001 f0UBbLe13881 Subject: Edwards #40 Quad Well folks, I've been collecting (fishing) this stuff for 35 years and,although not building anything yet, am about to try to restore the finish ona 1950's Bill Edwards Quad. It's a Model 40 8' #5 two piece. The handle willhave to be worked on but first I want to see how well it can be cleaned up. Ican follow Sinclair's instruction using the different Formsby materials or trysome of the super polishes. Need help. The wraps are in excellent shape.Would love to try to save the original finish on this one. This will be myfirst try, any help would be appreciated........Rich Colo Osprey750@aol.com wrote: Rich,I'll look for the package.reg.mailing address is:Ron KoenigP.O.Box 107Fountainville, Pa.18923 package delivery address is:Ron Koenig2201 Upper Stump Rd.Fountainville, Pa. 18923 Make sure you put your return address on the package so i can send youtheflies i tied for ya. Ron from horsesho@ptd.net Tue Jan 30 05:43:52 2001 f0UBhpe14113 Organization: ProLog Subject: Re: NJ Show Hi Bob, I went to the Somerset show. Pretty much the same old thing. Afew bamboo guys and tons of graphite. I could only last an hour in theplace (graphite overload). Marty How was the NJ show? Anyone go?Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Tue Jan 30 05:46:42 2001 f0UBkfe14325 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:45:41 -0500 Subject: Re: (no subject) THis was posted some while back. Sorry I edited out who sent it.Here is the guide spacing on the PHY Midge. Starting at the tip: 5", 6-3/8" 6-13/16", 6-7/16", 7-7/8", 5-1/2", toend of male ferrule. Male portion that fits inside the female is .875". from end of female ferrule: 5", 9-1/2", 16-1/2" to front of grip,3-15/16" to end of grip, 3-1/8" from end of grip, to end of rod/reel seat.Total length of the entire female ferrule is 2". Bob At 07:31 PM 1/29/2001 -0800, Amy & Chad wrote:I am getting ready to finish a PHY midge blank (first rod) and have twoquestions: 1.) What would be the recommended guide spacing and guide sizes? 2.) When gluing the ferrules, is it a good idea to use a thermal cement,particularly on the first rod? Any help would be greatly apprciated, Chad S. Boyd Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from stevexcook@uk.packardbell.org Tue Jan 30 07:33:26 2001 f0UDXJe15349 (62.188.156.168) Subject: Re: Bait Rods for big catfish This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C08AB5.C8D21A20 I've had a quick measure (over dodgy varnish an dother rubbish), results =below (average of 3 sides). sorry about the mixture of measuring =systems, haven't invested in a new mic. yet. Tip Section Inch mm Tip =D8 4.91 5.65 610 6.715 7.720 8.525 9.230 10.435 10.8=D8 @ 36 10.1 Mid Section Inch mm 1 10.75 11.210 11.715 12.120 12.725 13.030 13.335 14.0=D8 @ 36 12.4 Butt Section Inch mm =D8 @ 0 141 14.95 16.710 18 Top of 24" =turned wood butt When I've stripped the varnish off and bought a new mic. I'll give you =some more accurate figures. Ihope this will give you smething to pnder =in the meantime. SteVeYork Subject: Re: Bait Rods for big catfish Hi SteVe, it would help me a lot if you send me the measures. Throw in the guidespacing and the dimensions of grip and reelseat,to, if it's not too =muchtrouble. Thanks Ralf SteVe Cook schrieb: Having seen one of these great ugly monsters lead an angler a merry =dance amrebuilding might be somthing suitable. I haven't had chance to ='flex' ityet as the the ferrules are a bit doubtful. Let me know if your =interestedand I'll give it a measure when I've got the varnish of. SteVe CookYork ----- Original Message -----From: "Ralf Ladda" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 4:14 PMSubject: Bait Rods for big catfish Hi list, a friend of mine asked me whether I could make him a bait rod for =thebig catfish in our rivers in Germany (Okay, okay we are not =talkingabout fly rods here - my friend just loves to fix dead fish to a =gianthook and catch these nasty old catfish swimming around in the =muddywater). I'm talking about catfish ca. 4 feet long and very heavy - =soit's got to be a very strong rod. Does anybody have an idea on =taperswhich I could use? Thanks in advance Ralf from Germany ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C08AB5.C8D21A20 I've had a quick measure (over dodgy varnish an = measuring systems, haven't invested in a new mic. yet. Tip Section mm 4.9 8.5 9.2 10.4 10.8 Mid Section mm 10.7 11.2 12.7 13.0 13.3 14.0 Butt Section butt When I've stripped the varnish off and bought a new = give you some more accurate figures. Ihope this will give you smething = in the meantime. Cheers SteVeYork ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:39 =AMSubject: Re: Bait Rods for big =catfish it would help me a lot if you send me the measures. Throw in the = spacing and the dimensions of grip and reelseat,to, if it's not too = = = ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C08AB5.C8D21A20-- from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Tue Jan 30 08:47:58 2001 f0UElve17219 IAA25214 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:47:59 Subject: flaming AND heat treating? I'm going to build Carsten's "pipe of fire" flamer. I know that heat treating is kind of a black art, but I wonder how many flameand then skip the heat treat step. Long ago on this list Darryl H (You still around Darryl?) posted sometests that showed that flaming actually raised the internal temp of thecane higher than an oven does, anyway.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. from nobler@satx.rr.com Tue Jan 30 10:20:05 2001 f0UGK4e20522 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:06:07 -0600 Subject: Re: shooting heads PHY made a rod called "The Lee Cuddy Powerhouse, that was used this way,with a #9 WF type taper. Stupidly I traded mine off years ago, and the taperlooks to be lost. This was a sight casting taper, as it would kill your armto cast it randomly !GMA from rgelder@excite.ca Tue Jan 30 10:27:52 2001 f0UGRpe20985 0800 Subject: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane I've been tossing around the idea of buying a Lie-Nielsen scraper plane forsome time now but I'm having a tough time justifying the $230.00CDN pricetag. Can a person do a better job of scraping with the plane or can a person dojust as good with a hand scraper? I've been using a small cabinet scrapertil now. For those of you that have used both, what are your thoughts? Once again thanks to the list for sharing your knowledge. Ron ElderCalgary, AB _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from canazon@mindspring.com Tue Jan 30 11:27:21 2001 f0UHRKe24170 Subject: nj show This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C08AB7.7CDD4CA0 this was my first time down at the show and it was a really great =experience for those of us who are new to rodmaking. i got to see a ton =of rods ( kinda, since i left my glasses at home) and equipment and talk =to a few people about some of the problems i'm having with my first rod. = i was kinda like a kid in a candy shop, hopping from one place to =another, trying to take it all in, but i have to say that the highlight =of the show for me was going to A.K. Best 's show entitled match the =naturals, not the hatch. i thought it would be about tying or the frying =pan, and while he did touch on those subjects, it was pretty much about =seeing the world around you. taking pictures of the fish, the people, =places, and things around you. remember that momenthe's got a real nice style of talking and a good message.no financial interest, blah, blah :>) mike canazon ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C08AB7.7CDD4CA0 this was my first time down at the show and it was a= great experience for those of us who are new to rodmaking. i got to see = rods ( kinda, since i left my glasses at home) and equipment and talk to = people about some of the problems i'm having with my first rod. = from one place to another, trying to take it all in, but i have to say = entitled match the naturals, not the hatch. i thought it would be about = the frying pan, and while he did touch on those subjects, it was pretty = moment = and a good message. mike canazon ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C08AB7.7CDD4CA0-- from cmj@post11.tele.dk Tue Jan 30 11:33:47 2001 f0UHXke24777 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:33:47 +0100 Subject: Sv: flaming AND heat treating? f0UHXle24778 Frank Your confidence in "The Pipe of Fire" makes me feel humble.I flame until the culm is medium brown and I assure You thatfurther heattreating is overdoing it - will ruin the bamboo. Should You want further info, please contact me off-list. regards, carsten ----- Original Message ----- Subject: flaming AND heat treating? I'm going to build Carsten's "pipe of fire" flamer. I know that heat treating is kind of a black art, but I wonder how many flameand then skip the heat treat step. Long ago on this list Darryl H (You still around Darryl?) posted sometests that showed that flaming actually raised the internal temp of thecane higher than an oven does, anyway.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. from darrell@rockclimbing.org Tue Jan 30 11:49:17 2001 f0UHnGe26105 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Thread for Heddon Faux-Bamboo I have several burgudys and might have a thread match for you. Check mysilkthread charts at www.vfish.net/silkpage1.htm and www.vfish.net/silkchart.htm and perhaps www.vfish.net/silkpage2.htm Best is to scan a pic of the thread wraps and email me or mail a sample tome. Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- Subject: Thread for Heddon Faux-Bamboo Hello All, I just saw the mention of guides for Heddon rods. In about 1962 my father,while in England, bought a nice Hardy Hollolight Bamboo rod, which I am verypleased to own, along with a couple reels (Princess and Featherweight)whichstill see a lot of use. But he also bought a bamboo coloured fiberglass rod,a Heddon Pal #8353 Mark II - 7*' Fas-Tip Action, Line - D - HDH or HDG.Phew. According to my Dad, several years ago, the salesman Mr. Crockart (hisnameis on the back of the Messrs. Hardy Bros. (Alnwick) Ltd. business card) saidthis was the first fiberglass rod which was found (by the esteemed Messrs.Hardy, I presume) good enough to be sold by the firm! Oh well. Anyway, I'll probably buy the stripper guide that's been missing for a fewyears on the Heddon, and a couple of the snakes. I am assuming these arethesame as used on the Heddon bamboo rods, so that's why I have the audacitytoraise the subject here. The guide for the position above the firststripper is missing, and I cannot remember whether it was a second stripperguide or a snake guide. Another snake is also missing. I have also beenunable to find the extra deep burgundy winding thread of the original. Afterbuying a couple of spools of thread that weren't even close, I put the rodaside for (much) later, which is now. But all that was before this list. So does anyone have this information so I can restore this rod to somethingnear original. It's no Gillum for sure, but in memory of the previous owner,I'd like to get it as right as possible, without being ridiculous about it. Thanks and Cheers Marc Dupuis ps. I'm also emailing the contact at the site Brian Creek told us about. Hemay have some informaton to go along with his hardware. from rextutor@about.com Tue Jan 30 13:08:40 2001 f0UJ8de29006 (NPlex 5.1.050) 2001 11:08:35 -0800 Subject: Snake Guide Souces I have several catalog but I was wondering what the list thought was a good all around general snake guide ? What is the average cost of the snakes. A friend of mine says he is going to make his own with DeClairs gismo. Would you buy hand made snakes like that ? I haven't seen the snake or the device but it sounds interesting. I might get some of those when he makes them. Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com from dannyt@frisurf.no Tue Jan 30 14:18:36 2001 f0UKIZe01954 +0100 (MET)User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Parabolic superior to the rest...? I lawn cast a couple of rods last night, PHY Driggs and Dickerson 6611taper, and "discovered" this: With the Driggs I could use DT4, WF4, DT5 and WF5, and they all seems tosuit the rod. With the 6611 (I made it for #3) was only good with my Phoenix DT3 and WF4 It made me wonder if a parabolic rod is more forgiving regardinglineweight?? regardsdeclared paraholicdanny from dannyt@frisurf.no Tue Jan 30 14:19:08 2001 f0UKJ6e02046 +0100 (MET)User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: Snake Guide Souces SankeBrand is the ones to use, periode.They are superior to any others I've ever seen.I did try to make my own with a self made snakemaker, trying differentwire, steel, Ti etc. but didn't manage to make anything near bought ones.I'm probably to clumsy:-) regardsdanny BTW. I use PacBay, cause they are easier for me to obtain, SnakeBrands Ihave to order from US........ From: "Rex Tutor" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:09:12 -0700 Subject: Snake Guide Souces I have several catalog but I was wondering what the list thought wasa good all around general snake guide ? What is the average cost ofthe snakes. A friend of mine says he is going to make his own withDeClairs gismo. Would you buy hand made snakes like that ? I haven'tseen the snake or the device but it sounds interesting. I might getsome of those when he makes them. Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jan 30 14:22:26 2001 f0UKMPe02408 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:22:21 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane Ron,I use a single edge razor blade in a holder (the kind for scrapping tapeoff windows). Works great for $1.99 and gives you precise control and nodamage toforms.Shawn Ron Elder wrote: I've been tossing around the idea of buying a Lie-Nielsen scraper plane forsome time now but I'm having a tough time justifying the $230.00CDN pricetag. Can a person do a better job of scraping with the plane or can a person dojust as good with a hand scraper? I've been using a small cabinet scrapertil now. For those of you that have used both, what are your thoughts? Once again thanks to the list for sharing your knowledge. Ron ElderCalgary, AB _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from Grayson.Davis@valpo.edu Tue Jan 30 15:19:10 2001 f0ULJ9e04938 Subject: shooting head question I picked up 4 or 5 shooting heads about 2 years ago. They were really cheap (~$2 each) because they were an assortment of unlabeled sizes. I've tried lawn casting them to match specific rods, but because my heaviest rod is a six, and because I don't really know how a shooting head should feel, I can't really tell what sizes I have. Is there a mass to line weight conversion chart for shooting heads? If so, is it any different from the chart for a floating line (which I have)? -----------------------------------------Grayson DavisEmail: Grayson.Davis@valpo.eduValparaiso University from Grhghlndr@aol.com Tue Jan 30 15:19:27 2001 f0ULJQe04957 Subject: Fwd: HILARIOUS :)/And Sanding Blocks --part1_43.ffd2466.27a889cf_boundary Sorry guys I know I have told some of you to stop the BS on the list before but my kid sent me this and I thought you all would get a kick out of it. Everyone who is POed because I sent this can stand in line to kick my a--. Bret P.S. I have received quite a few checks for sanding blocks and they will packaged up this weekend and sent out. I hope everyione who gets them is pleased with what they are. If not "TO BAD!" No just kidding if not satisfied let me know. I will cash no-ones check until I know they are happy.Bret --part1_43.ffd2466.27a889cf_boundary Full-name: ThdDegree Subject: Fwd: HILARIOUS :) --part2_43.ffd2466.27a7805b_boundary --part2_43.ffd2466.27a7805b_boundary 2001 19:08:51 1900 Subject:Fwd: HILARIOUS :) , ,, , 010203040506" ------_Part_3a760612-0302-6b07-010203040506 ------_Part_3a760612-0302-6b07-010203040506 0500 mumjt1@wiu.edu using -f picadilly99@hotmail.com User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 Subject: Fwd: ----- Forwarded message from Marcy J Thomasson ----- A young mother was working in the kitchen listening to her son playingwith his new electric train in the living room. She heard the trainstops and her son said, "All of you sons of bitches who want off, getthe hell off now, 'cause this is the last stop! And all of you sons ofbitches who are getting on, get your asses in the train, cause we'regoing down the tracks." The mother went in and told her son, "we don't use that kind oflanguage in this house. Now I want you to go to your room and you are tostay there for TWO HOURS. When you come out, you may play with yourtrain, but I want you to use nice language". Two hours later, the soncomes out of the bedroom and resumes playing with his train. Soon the train stopped and the mother heard her son say, "Allpassengers, who are disembarking the train, please remember to take allof your belongings with you. We thank you for riding with us today andhope your trip was a pleasant one. We hope you will ride with us againsoon." She hears the little boy continue, "For those of you justboarding we ask you to stow all of your hand luggage under your seat.Remember that there is no smoking on the train. We hope you will have apleasant and relaxing journey with us today." As the mother began tosmile, the child added...."For those of you who are pissed off about theTWO-HOUR delay, please see the bitch in the kitchen.________________________________________________________________GET INTERNET ACCESS from JUNO!Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----- End forwarded message ----- ------_Part_3a760612-0302-6b07-010203040506-- --part2_43.ffd2466.27a7805b_boundary-- --part1_43.ffd2466.27a889cf_boundary-- from teekay35@interlynx.net Tue Jan 30 17:11:34 2001 f0UNBXe09801 Subject: Re: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane to minimize chattering and big enough to hold on to. For fine spotscraping on tips I still use stanley utility blades which are a bit thickerthan razor blades. A few years ago I bought a Lie-Nielsen scraper and Iuse it on every rod. As the man in in the movie said " If you want ityou'll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands". ----------From: Ron Elder Subject: Lie-Nielsen Scraper PlaneDate: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:27 AM I've been tossing around the idea of buying a Lie-Nielsen scraper planeforsome time now but I'm having a tough time justifying the $230.00CDN pricetag. Can a person do a better job of scraping with the plane or can a persondojust as good with a hand scraper? I've been using a small cabinetscrapertil now. For those of you that have used both, what are your thoughts? Once again thanks to the list for sharing your knowledge. Ron ElderCalgary, AB _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Tue Jan 30 18:40:32 2001 f0V0eVe11884 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:40:27 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? Danny,interesting theory! I know from "personal" experience that they aremoreforgiving (some might say otherwise) of poor casting habits , mine make melook likeI actually know what I'm doing! ;^) Shawn Danny Twang wrote: I lawn cast a couple of rods last night, PHY Driggs and Dickerson 6611taper, and "discovered" this: With the Driggs I could use DT4, WF4, DT5 and WF5, and they all seems tosuit the rod. With the 6611 (I made it for #3) was only good with my Phoenix DT3 andWF4 It made me wonder if a parabolic rod is more forgiving regardinglineweight?? regardsdeclared paraholicdanny from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Tue Jan 30 18:59:36 2001 f0V0xYe12462 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:57:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? Hi Danny:My Driggs, which is by far my favorite, seems to exhibit this too. It works well with my TT 3/4, a DT4, and WF5 PVC. BUT, it rules when I get my original silk line out which is probably a 6. I know it would seem overlined, but it loads and delivers a fly beautifully. I have not built the Para 14 or 15 yet, and I think they are more parabolic than the Driggs.Can't wait for the new DT4 Phoenix line to arrive.I would also offer that the parabolic rods are probably more forgiving when it comes to overlining and other casting abuses. I have read and would argue myself that parabolics are less susceptible to damage or wearing out than faster dry fly tapers like the Paynes. Because the load is distributed over more of the rod, the stresses are shared and reduced. Oh well, what do I know....Best regards,Bob At 09:16 PM 1/30/2001 +0100, Danny Twang wrote:I lawn cast a couple of rods last night, PHY Driggs and Dickerson 6611taper, and "discovered" this: With the Driggs I could use DT4, WF4, DT5 and WF5, and they all seems tosuit the rod. With the 6611 (I made it for #3) was only good with my Phoenix DT3 andWF4 It made me wonder if a parabolic rod is more forgiving regardinglineweight?? regardsdeclared paraholicdanny Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 30 19:45:09 2001 f0V1j8e13482 Subject: Re: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane Boxcutter blade.M-D I use a single edge razor blade in a holder (the kind forscrapping tapeoff windows). Works great for $1.99 and gives you precise control and nodamage toforms.Shawn Ron Elder wrote: I've been tossing around the idea of buying a Lie-Nielsen scraper planeforsome time now but I'm having a tough time justifying the $230.00CDNpricetag. Can a person do a better job of scraping with the plane or can a persondojust as good with a hand scraper? I've been using a small cabinetscrapertil now. For those of you that have used both, what are your thoughts? Once again thanks to the list for sharing your knowledge. Ron ElderCalgary, AB _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from Troutgetter@aol.com Tue Jan 30 20:27:17 2001 f0V2RGe14387 Subject: Re: flaming AND heat treating? In a message dated 1/30/2001 6:48:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, stetzer@csd.uwm.edu writes: Frank,When I use a torch to flame, I do no other heat treating other than set the adhesive as per Wayne's spec's ...235* for 3 hrs. Sometimes though I feel that the lower temp for such a long time also treats the bamboo. from HomeyDKlown@att.net Tue Jan 30 20:52:47 2001 f0V2qje15334 ;Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:52:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane I bought my model 212 last fall. I like the way it almost silentlyshaves the cane away without any chatter and takes a chip that you canalmost read through. It just feels right! Dennis Ted Knott wrote: to minimize chattering and big enough to hold on to. For fine spotscraping on tips I still use stanley utility blades which are a bit thickerthan razor blades. A few years ago I bought a Lie-Nielsen scraper and Iuse it on every rod. As the man in in the movie said " If you want ityou'll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands". ----------From: Ron Elder Subject: Lie-Nielsen Scraper PlaneDate: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:27 AM I've been tossing around the idea of buying a Lie-Nielsen scraper planeforsome time now but I'm having a tough time justifying the $230.00CDNpricetag. Can a person do a better job of scraping with the plane or can a persondojust as good with a hand scraper? I've been using a small cabinetscrapertil now. For those of you that have used both, what are your thoughts? Once again thanks to the list for sharing your knowledge. Ron ElderCalgary, AB _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from djk762@earthlink.net Tue Jan 30 21:12:35 2001 f0V3CYe15820 TAA29935 Subject: RE:Shooting Heads (Harry) Harry- Would love to have all the info you can provide on your 9wt. Wouldlike to learn to use the big sticks while I'm still strong enough. -David Kashuba. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Jan 30 21:30:12 2001 f0V3UAe16294 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:29:59 +0800 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:29:54 +0800 Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? I think it may be that paras allow a lot more adjustment in casting beingslower and that the rod is amlost an extension of the line bending so fardown into the handle as they do. I think that allows you to makecorrections to take account of the line. I tend to find Driggs cast bestwith a WF 4. Tony At 09:16 PM 1/30/01 +0100, Danny Twang wrote:I lawn cast a couple of rods last night, PHY Driggs and Dickerson 6611taper, and "discovered" this: With the Driggs I could use DT4, WF4, DT5 and WF5, and they all seems tosuit the rod. With the 6611 (I made it for #3) was only good with my Phoenix DT3 andWF4 It made me wonder if a parabolic rod is more forgiving regardinglineweight?? regardsdeclared paraholicdanny /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Jan 30 21:42:19 2001 f0V3gIe16625 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:42:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? Okay, enough with the para praise for now. Next year at SRG I'm gonna havesomeone show me how to cast one of these things. I just can't seem to getthehang of it. I know it's not the rod. Must be the fellow holding it. Harry Tony Young wrote: I think it may be that paras allow a lot more adjustment in casting beingslower and that the rod is amlost an extension of the line bending so fardown into the handle as they do. I think that allows you to makecorrections to take account of the line. I tend to find Driggs cast bestwith a WF 4. from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 30 21:42:27 2001 f0V3gQe16632 Subject: Re: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane In a message dated 1/30/01 7:45:33 PM Central Standard Time, jojo@ipa.net writes: off windows). Works great for $1.99 and gives you precise control and nodamage toforms.Shawn Ron Elder wrote: I've been tossing around the idea of buying a Lie-Nielsen scraper planeforsome time now but I'm having a tough time justifying the $230.00CDNprice >> Some of my carving friends use broken glass for scrapers with EXCELLENT results! from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Jan 30 21:48:20 2001 f0V3mJe17045 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:48:18 -0800 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Shooting Heads (Harry) David,Here's the taper, with much help from Bob Nunley and Tom Smithwick. Ibuilt this rod scalloped hollow, and added a removable 4.5" fightingbutt. With an aluminum reel seat it weighs 6.2 ounces! It'll throw lotsof line, but it takes a strong shoulder. In fact, I practiced with it inthe yard every day for over a month before I attempted to fish with it.Started at 20 casts, and worked my way up to casting 40 minutes per day.I could actually feel my shoulder strength growing every day. Just awarning, this isn't a taper for wimps! There are some pictures on mywebsite of this rod, if you get really interested. Harry Inches Dimension0 0.0855 0.11610 0.13415 0.15920 0.17225 0.19230 0.21235 0.23140 0.25045 0.26350 0.26955 0.27560 0.28865 0.30470 0.32275 0.34380 0.36585 0.37290 0.38392 0.389 David Kashuba wrote: Harry- Would love to have all the info you can provide on your 9wt. Wouldlike to learn to use the big sticks while I'm still strong enough. -David Kashuba. --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."-- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods --http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 30 22:01:27 2001 f0V41Qe17707 Rodmakers Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? Harry I felt the same way, then I picked up the Per Brandin 71/2' Quadfashionedafter the perfectionist and it was love at first sight. Truly incredible. I hada Payne 7'1" and never could figure the timing but this perfectionist inspiredrodjust about casts by itself.....Rich. Harry Boyd wrote: Okay, enough with the para praise for now. Next year at SRG I'm gonnahavesomeone show me how to cast one of these things. I just can't seem toget thehang of it. I know it's not the rod. Must be the fellow holding it. Harry Tony Young wrote: I think it may be that paras allow a lot more adjustment in casting beingslower and that the rod is amlost an extension of the line bending so fardown into the handle as they do. I think that allows you to makecorrections to take account of the line. I tend to find Driggs cast bestwith a WF 4. from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 30 22:23:29 2001 f0V4NOe18304 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:24:22 -0600 Subject: Re: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane That is the way I used to scrape varnish from bamboo rods for refinishingbackin the 40's.Single edge blades do it now.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/30/01 7:45:33 PM Central Standard Time,jojo@ipa.netwrites: scrapping tapeoff windows). Works great for $1.99 and gives you precise control andnodamage toforms.Shawn Ron Elder wrote: I've been tossing around the idea of buying a Lie-Nielsen scraper planeforsome time now but I'm having a tough time justifying the $230.00CDNprice >> Some of my carving friends use broken glass for scrapers with EXCELLENTresults! from petermckean@netspace.net.au Tue Jan 30 22:25:51 2001 f0V4Pne18507 f0V4PdW14773 Subject: polyurethane glue Organization: vet This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08B65.27333900 Hello , Listmembers I am about to glue up my first rod using polyurethane glue - I have now =done 13 with Epon. No problem with the Epon, but was given a sample of =the PU, and thought I'd give it a try. The rod is a 6'3" 3 weight from =Wayne Cattanach's book. What I am planning to do is this - (a) prepare the strips as usual for =gluing, cut the masking tape, and lay them out ready to apply glue; just =as for Epon (b) lightly spray the surfaces to be glued with a mist of =water (c) apply an ample amount of glue to cover all the surfaces to be =glued; just like Epon (d) bind the rod, straighten, and remove the =excess PU (e) hang it up for an hour or so in my warmed varnishing =cabinet (f) remove the string, scrape off any excess PU, and hang it =again for drying for a couple of days before proceeding to finish the =rod. Any good advice? Am I doing it wrong? Clean up with what? Thanks Peter "It's a funny old world. A man's lucky if he gets out of it alive."W C Fields ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08B65.27333900 Hello , =Listmembers I am about to glue up my first rod= polyurethane glue - I have now done 13 with Epon. No problem with the = was given a sample of the PU, and thought I'd give it a try. The rod is = weight from Wayne Cattanach's book. prepare the strips as usual for gluing, cut the masking tape, and lay = hang it again for drying for a couple of days before proceeding to = rod. Any good advice? Am I doing it = with what? Thanks Peter "It's a funny old world. A man's = gets out of it alive."W C Fields ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08B65.27333900-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Tue Jan 30 22:48:47 2001 f0V4mke19123 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:47:23 -0600 "'RODMAKERS'" Subject: Re: polyurethane glue I blot the light water spray with a tissue, just before applying the glue.Then I wipe the glue that oozes out from the foaming after binding, until itstops The next morning, I remove the binding, and allow to cure for at least12 more hours. The ProBond I've used scrapes nicely.GMA from eamlee@email.msn.com Tue Jan 30 23:37:33 2001 f0V5bXe20200 Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:37:28 -0800 Subject: Ferrule Specs Listers-I have been messing around with the mini lathe and beleive I am on theverge of making ferrules that may actually be useful! That's the good news.The snag is that I am working off of measurements from one set of size 12ferrules. Is there a set of standard measurements out there somewherethatfolks use or is it just a matter of personal taste after function is takencare of?I was at my LFFS today and looked at Ron Kusse's work, Bob Summer'sworkand RD Taylor's work. Throw into the mix Dave Leclair's and AJ Thramer'sandnow I have five different styles of ferrules. What gives?I am partial to the Super Swiss but I'm not financially up to buying aset of each. I sthere a way around this? Thank you so much for your helpeveryone. Without my lurking and your sharing, I never wouldn't have evenmade it this far.......Eamon Lee from saweiss@flash.net Wed Jan 31 00:06:33 2001 f0V66We20797 Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? Harry,You may have tried this already, but to get your timing be sure to watch theback cast. I find that it helps a lot.Steve ....Next year at SRG I'm gonna have someone show me how to cast one ofthesethings. I just can't seem to get the hang of it. I know it's not the rod.Must be the fellow holding it. from saweiss@flash.net Wed Jan 31 00:12:10 2001 f0V6C9e21078 Subject: Re: polyurethane glue This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C08B12.12705DC0 Peter,My only advice is to let the glue set up longer. I had no trouble =getting the string off after about 8 hours. You can clean up with =alcohol. Be sure to wear rubber or latex gloves. That glue will not come =off skin. You have to let it wear off as you grow new skin.SteveAny good advice? Am I doing it wrong? Clean up with what? ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C08B12.12705DC0 Peter,My only advice is to let the glue = longer. I had no trouble getting the string off after about 8 hours. You = clean up with alcohol. Be sure to wear rubber or latex gloves. That glue = skin.Steve Any good advice? Am I doing it = up with what? ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C08B12.12705DC0-- from danny.twang@pd.no Wed Jan 31 00:20:36 2001 f0V6KYe21409 +0100 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:20:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; m18)Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: polyurethane glue --------------060000050205030803040805 Peter, I've been using PU-glue on +10 rods without any problem. I have not sprayed any wateron the surface before gluing. I spoke to the labman at the factory that makes the glue I use, hesaid it was unnecessary to add any water. I would skip part (b). It needs moisture to cure, soI would skip (e). It need at least 24 h to cure complete, I let it hang envirioment is especial dry, like in winter when the temp is below 0*C, so I would skip (f). I have only had one "failure", and that was when removing the string after about 12 h. The dayI glued the rod, was very dry. I rebinded the rod, let it cure for a couple of days, no problem.. It will wash of with denatured alcohol and acetone, but I don't bother trying to washing all off.I just lightly wipe with a rag damped with alcohol...I'm having no problem unbinding and drawfile with an old worn out file, I sometimes scrapethe excess glue with a razor or a cabinet scraper.... Hope this is to some help,regardsdanny petermckean wrote: Hello , Listmembers I am about to glue up my first rod using polyurethane glue - I have now done 13 with Epon. No problem with the Epon, but was given a sample of the PU, and thought I'd give it a try. The rod is a 6'3" 3 weight from Wayne Cattanach's book. What I am planning to do is this - (a) prepare the strips as usual for gluing, cut the masking tape, and lay them out ready to apply glue; just as for Epon (b) lightly spray the surfaces to be glued with a mist of water (c) apply an ample amount of glue to cover all the surfaces to be glued; just like Epon (d) bind the rod, straighten, and remove the excess PU (e) hang it up for an hour or so in my warmed varnishing cabinet (f) remove the string, scrape off any excess PU, and hang it again for drying for a couple of days before proceeding to finish the rod. Any good advice? Am I doing it wrong? Clean up with what? Thanks Peter "It's a funny old world. A man's lucky if he gets out of it alive."W C Fields --------------060000050205030803040805 Peter, I've been using PU-glue on +10 rods without any problem. I have not sprayedany wateron the surface before gluing. I spoke to the labman at the factory thatmakes the glue I use, hesaid it was unnecessary to add any water. I would skip part (b). It needsmoisture to cure, so I would skip (e). It need at least 24 h to cure complete, I let it hang for acouple of days if theenvirioment is especial dry, like in winter when the temp is below 0*C, so Iwould skip (f). I have only had one "failure", and that was when removing the string afterabout 12 h. The dayI glued the rod, was very dry. I rebinded the rod, let it cure for a couple ofdays, no problem.. It will wash of with denatured alcohol and acetone, but I don't bother trying towashing all off.I just lightly wipe with a rag damped with alcohol...I'm having no problem unbinding and drawfile with an old worn out file, Isometimes scrapethe excess glue with a razor or a cabinet scraper.... Hope this is to some help,regardsdanny petermckean wrote: Hello ,Listmembers I am about to glue up my first rodusing polyurethane glue - I have now done 13 with Epon. No problem with the Epon,but was given a sample of the PU, and thought I'd give it a try. The rod is a 6'3" 3 weight from Wayne Cattanach's book. this - (a) prepare the strips as usual for gluing, cut the masking tape, and lay themout be all and and hang it again for drying for a couple of days before proceeding to finish the rod. Any good advice? Am I doing itwrong? Clean up with what? Thanks Peter "It's a funny old world. A man'slucky if he gets out of it alive."W C Fields --------------060000050205030803040805-- from ajthramer@hotmail.com Wed Jan 31 02:42:55 2001 f0V8gre23441 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:42:49 -0800 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:42:49 GMT Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? FILETIME=[CAB25FB0:01C08B61] From: Danny Twang Subject: Parabolic superior to the rest...?Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:16:31 +0100 I lawn cast a couple of rods last night, PHY Driggs and Dickerson 6611taper, and "discovered" this: With the Driggs I could use DT4, WF4, DT5 and WF5, and they all seems tosuit the rod. With the 6611 (I made it for #3) was only good with my Phoenix DT3 andWF4 It made me wonder if a parabolic rod is more forgiving regardinglineweight?? regardsdeclared paraholicdanny One is not better than the other, they are different. That would be like saying an Irish girl is prettier than a German girl. A living hell would be to force everyone to use a para rod, they are for a limited (very) number of people who can adapt their casting stroke to use one. They are very powerful, adaptable casting machines and I personaly like them. A better para to learn how they work would be a #15. DT 5 or 6. These days alot of people call wanting a 'parabolic' rod because it is a buzzword these days. I won't hardly make a true para (14-15-17-Payne) anymoreunless I know who I am building it for. OH!! I guess I had better respond to to the question instead of 'letting my mind drift :)' Yes paras are very tolerant of different line weights and no they do not seem to be tolerant as far as casting technique. They are much harder to cast when lined on the low side of their range.A.J.Thramer_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 31 04:21:43 2001 f0VALge24203 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:21:31 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: polyurethane glue --------------E446E3871B2AB39E1E881A2E Peter,I have been using Titebond PU lately, I don't spray (perhaps if theclimatewas particularly dry I would lightly mist) and have had great results so far.Definitely wear latex gloves!I don't bother wiping down much as the resulting mess is just a softfoamwhich comes clean with a pass or two of a plane blade, there is however ahard,glossy coat that will be under this, it is very thin and comes off with afile/sandpaper.I would let my strips set a couple days after heat treating in the tubejustto come back up a touch in moisture before gluing.Shawn petermckean wrote: Hello , Listmembers I am about to glue up my first rod using polyurethaneglue -I have now done 13 with Epon. No problem with the Epon, but was given asample ofthe PU, and thought I'd give it a try. The rod is a 6'3" 3 weight from WayneCattanach's book. What I am planning to do is this - (a) prepare the stripsasusual for gluing, cut the masking tape, and lay them out ready to applyglue; justas for Epon (b) lightly spray the surfaces to be glued with a mist of water (c)apply an ample amount of glue to cover all the surfaces to be glued; justlikeEpon (d) bind the rod, straighten, and remove the excess PU (e) hang it up hour or so in my warmed varnishing cabinet (f) remove the string, scrapeoff anyexcess PU, and hang it again for drying for a couple of days beforeproceeding tofinish the rod. Any good advice? Am I doing it wrong? Clean up withwhat? Thanks Peter "It's a funny old world. A man's lucky if he gets out ofitalive."W C Fields --------------E446E3871B2AB39E1E881A2E Peter, beenusing Titebond PU lately, I don't spray (perhaps if the climate wasparticularlydry I would lightly mist) and have had great results so far. Definitelywear latex gloves! wipingdown much as the resulting mess is just a soft foam which comes clean witha pass or two of a plane blade, there is however a hard, glossy coat thatwill be under this, it is very thin and comes off with a file/sandpaper. a couple days after heat treating in the tube just to come back up a touchin moisture before gluing. Shawnpetermckean wrote: am about to glue up my first rod using polyurethane glue - I have now done13 with Epon. No problem with the Epon, but was given a sample of the PU,and thought I'd give it a try. The rod is a 6'3" 3 weight from WayneCattanach's am planning to do is this - (a) prepare the strips as usual for gluing,cut the masking tape, and lay them out ready to apply glue; just as for (c) apply an ample amount of glue to cover all the surfaces to be glued; (f) remove the string, scrape off any excess PU, and hang it again fordrying for a couple of days before proceeding to finish the good advice? Am I doing it wrong? Clean up with a funny old world. A man's lucky if he gets out of italive."W CFields --------------E446E3871B2AB39E1E881A2E-- from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 31 04:32:18 2001 f0VAWHe24484 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:32:14 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? Allen Thramer wrote:One is not better than the other, they are different.That would be like saying an Irish girl is prettier than a German girl.A.J.Thramer AJ,that is true because if we said one was better than the other we wouldhave noreason to go around try them all. I'm talking about the rods here of course};^)Shawn from petermckean@netspace.net.au Wed Jan 31 04:41:03 2001 f0VAf2e24732 f0VAeuW56612; Subject: Re: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane Organization: vet I bought mine at a yard sale for $Aust 15; I think the people selling itdidn't know what it was. If I lost it and had to shell out $350 for a new one, I would do it so fastI would get a whiplash! Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane to minimize chattering and big enough to hold on to. For fine spotscraping on tips I still use stanley utility blades which are a bitthickerthan razor blades. A few years ago I bought a Lie-Nielsen scraper and Iuse it on every rod. As the man in in the movie said " If you want ityou'll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands". ----------From: Ron Elder Subject: Lie-Nielsen Scraper PlaneDate: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:27 AM I've been tossing around the idea of buying a Lie-Nielsen scraper planeforsome time now but I'm having a tough time justifying the $230.00CDNpricetag. Can a person do a better job of scraping with the plane or can a persondojust as good with a hand scraper? I've been using a small cabinetscrapertil now. For those of you that have used both, what are your thoughts? Once again thanks to the list for sharing your knowledge. Ron ElderCalgary, AB _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from b2g@jps.net Wed Jan 31 07:43:47 2001 f0VDhke26699 References: Subject: Re: Ferrule Specs Organization: Badges 2 Go Eamon Lee Look up the following link for the ferrule spec.'s for the Super Z Ferrule.http://www.canerod.com/Tools/Docs/SuperZFerrule.pdf Robert H. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Ferrule Specs Listers-I have been messing around with the mini lathe and beleive I am on theverge of making ferrules that may actually be useful! That's the goodnews.The snag is that I am working off of measurements from one set of size12ferrules. Is there a set of standard measurements out there somewherethatfolks use or is it just a matter of personal taste after function is takencare of?I was at my LFFS today and looked at Ron Kusse's work, Bob Summer'sworkand RD Taylor's work. Throw into the mix Dave Leclair's and AJ Thramer'sandnow I have five different styles of ferrules. What gives?I am partial to the Super Swiss but I'm not financially up to buying aset of each. I sthere a way around this? Thank you so much for your helpeveryone. Without my lurking and your sharing, I never wouldn't have evenmade it this far.......Eamon Lee from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Jan 31 08:56:59 2001 f0VEuwe28769 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:42:49 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrule Specs There's a web site, that I have lost, showing the basic dimensions of theSuper Z ferrules of times past. I've used these and PHY used them too, andnever had a failure. I hope someone will post this web site again.GMA from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Jan 31 09:05:48 2001 f0VF5me29257 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:51:36 -0600 Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? I'm no expert caster or rod builder by a long shot, but even PHY didn't callhis tapers parabolics. They are all "modified parabolic" in their actions. from what I've seen a true parabolic is more of a buggy whip !GMA from ewp42@yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 09:22:52 2001 f0VFMpe29979 2001 07:22:43 PST Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Parabolic a buggy whip?? I've got a Pezon Fario Club, said to be a"super parabolic," and that sure ain't a buggy whip. It's an actionthat takes some familiarization, but once you get the timing down, itis a true "casts by itself" rod and will throw one helluva lotta DT5. Eric __________________________________________________Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from darrell@rockclimbing.org Wed Jan 31 10:56:25 2001 f0VGuNe04059 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane Did they have a Stanley 212 for $20? I'll take it if they do! Darrellwww.vfish.net (For those not in the know, the Stanley's uusually go for over $1,000usd) -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane I bought mine at a yard sale for $Aust 15; I think the people selling itdidn't know what it was. If I lost it and had to shell out $350 for a new one, I would do it so fastI would get a whiplash! Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Lie-Nielsen Scraper Plane to minimize chattering and big enough to hold on to. For fine spotscraping on tips I still use stanley utility blades which are a bitthickerthan razor blades. A few years ago I bought a Lie-Nielsen scraper and Iuse it on every rod. As the man in in the movie said " If you want ityou'll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands". ----------From: Ron Elder Subject: Lie-Nielsen Scraper PlaneDate: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:27 AM I've been tossing around the idea of buying a Lie-Nielsen scraper planeforsome time now but I'm having a tough time justifying the $230.00CDNpricetag. Can a person do a better job of scraping with the plane or can a persondojust as good with a hand scraper? I've been using a small cabinetscrapertil now. For those of you that have used both, what are your thoughts? Once again thanks to the list for sharing your knowledge. Ron ElderCalgary, AB _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from flyfish@defnet.com Wed Jan 31 14:36:01 2001 f0VKa0e12048 Subject: Re:Snake Guides This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C08B36.8EE45F40 DannyHave you tried using nickel guitar string? I'm consideringmaking my own snake guides and thought I would use this.I was just wondering if you tried that yet? I thought theelectric guitar strings would work best. Some are madeof nickel(I'm not talking about the kind that are wound)the smooth ones. =And I know they come in allot of different diameters. Let me know if you =have tried it.Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C08B36.8EE45F40 DannyHave you tried using nickel guitar = consideringmaking my own snake guides and = use this.I was just wondering if you tried theelectric guitar strings would work = madeof nickel(I'm not talking about the = diameters. Let me know if you have tried it.Tony Millerflyfish@defnet.com www.homestead.com/= ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C08B36.8EE45F40-- from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Wed Jan 31 15:57:18 2001 f0VLuxe15129 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:56:53 +0000 Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? Interesting!!!!!I have owned two fario clubs and both I would class as buggy whips !I have sold both of them now......one was made by Sharpes and the other Eric Peper wrote: Parabolic a buggy whip?? I've got a Pezon Fario Club, said to be a"super parabolic," and that sure ain't a buggy whip. It's an actionthat takes some familiarization, but once you get the timing down, itis a true "casts by itself" rod and will throw one helluva lotta DT5. Eric __________________________________________________Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Wed Jan 31 16:00:56 2001 f0VM0ue15411 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:59:49 -0500 Subject: Re:Snake Guides --=====================_1488741==_.ALT As a semi-pro guitarist, I would guess that you would have serious rusting problems. One good night on stage. and the plain strings are usually toast. They do make stainless steel, but I have no experience with them. I am a D'Adarrio XL guy.Best regards,Bob At 03:33 AM 1/31/2001 -0500, Tony Miller wrote:DannyHave you tried using nickel guitar string? I'm consideringmaking my own snake guides and thought I would use this.I was just wondering if you tried that yet? I thought theelectric guitar strings would work best. Some are madeof nickel(I'm not talking about the kind that are wound)the smooth ones. And I know they come in allot of different diameters. Let me know if you have tried it.Tony Millerflyfish@defnet.comwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_1488741==_.ALT As a semi-pro guitarist, I would guess that you would have seriousrusting problems. One good night on stage. and the plain strings areusually toast. They do make stainless steel, but I have no experiencewith them. I am a D'Adarrio XL guy.Best regards,Bob At 03:33 AM 1/31/2001 -0500, Tony Miller wrote:DannyHave you tried using nickel guitar string? I'm consideringmaking my own snake guides and thought I would use this.I was just wondering if you tried that yet? Ithought theelectric guitar strings would work best. Some are madeof nickel(I'm not talking about the kind that are wound)the smooth ones.And I know they come in allot of different diameters. Let me know if youhave tried it.Tony Millerflyfish@defnet.com www.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_1488741==_.ALT-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Jan 31 16:33:30 2001 f0VMXTe16754 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:18:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? Oddly, when applying a parabolic action to a bait casting rod, it is muchmore friendly. This is due primarily to the moving weight of the reel spool.The mods PHY seems to have imparted, is extra "guts" in the butt section,that take over under extra load.GMA from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Wed Jan 31 18:38:10 2001 f110c5e20126 Subject: Testing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C08BBC.FC3F6720 Checking out my mail server. When I enable spam blocker sometimes the =Rodmakers list traffic does not come through. Would appreciate a couple = Thanks Joe =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D and a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". = ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C08BBC.FC3F6720 appreciate a couple of replies to see if it is working or not. = Thanks Joe =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= pest.com/r= ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C08BBC.FC3F6720-- from flyfish@defnet.com Wed Jan 31 18:45:03 2001 f110j2e20465 Subject: Re: Snake Guides This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C08B59.41DC9820 BobYour absolutely right about the guitar strings !I play guitar too and I should have taken the rust factorinto consideration. I guess I was just thinking about the word "nickel" =in my head. I guess It would have to be an nickel silver combination, =and guitar strings don't have any silver in them. The cost too much =already. LOL Maybe an alternative would be a stainless TIG welding = DannyYour right about my planning forms . They are 3 1/2 footlong and I made them my self. You can only make 3 pc.rods on them and no longer than 7 1/2 . I plan to buy or make some new =ones soon. I might try to buy a set of the ones Jeff Wagner sells, when =I see him at the show in Southfeild this year, but that depends on if I =sell any rods.I'm capable of making them my self and I'm a machinist by trade, but it =was allot of work to make the ones I have. They are very accurate , but =they were time consuming. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C08B59.41DC9820 BobYour absolutely right about the guitar = !I play guitar too and I should have = factor thinking about the word "nickel" in my head. I guess It would have to be = nickel silver combination, and guitar strings don't have any silver in = DannyYour right about my planning = = make 3 pc.rods on them and no longer than 7 1/2 .= buy or make some new ones soon. I might try to buy a set of the ones = sells, when I see him at the show in Southfeild this year, but that = I'm capable of making them my self and= machinist by trade, but it was allot of work to make the ones I = are very accurate , but they were time consuming.Tony = ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C08B59.41DC9820-- from flyfish@defnet.com Wed Jan 31 18:49:41 2001 f110nee20697 Subject: Bamboo Joe test Ok This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C08B59.FE88C3E0 I think you got it! It came thru on my computer. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C08B59.FE88C3E0 I think you got it! It came thru on computer. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C08B59.FE88C3E0-- from ROBERT.KOPE@prodigy.net Wed Jan 31 18:49:59 2001 f110nwe20724 f110nqQ193576 Subject: Re: polyurethane glue This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C08BA6.6CD05B00 Peter, I don't know, but assume there are differences in polyurethane glues. I =mist my strips with water prior to glueing, as you propose, but I let =the surface moisture soak in or evaporate before brushing on the glue. =I don't know if the water is necessary, but some list members have =reported splice failures in nodeless rods when they didn't first moisten =the strips. I have only tried Elmer's Probond and have found that it =needs much longer than an hour to cure. One of the advantages of =poylurethane is the long working time. I would leave them in the string =at least overnight, but you can judge for yourself by the consistency of =the glue on the outside of the blank. I don't do any cleanup to speak =of: wear latex exam gloves, use a disposable brush, remove the string =and scrape off the excess glue after it has dried but before it becomes =fully cured. -- Robert Kope-----Original Message-----From: petermckean Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:34 PMSubject: polyurethane glue Hello , Listmembers I am about to glue up my first rod using polyurethane glue - I have =now done 13 with Epon. No problem with the Epon, but was given a sample =of the PU, and thought I'd give it a try. The rod is a 6'3" 3 weight = from Wayne Cattanach's book. What I am planning to do is this - (a) prepare the strips as usual = just as for Epon (b) lightly spray the surfaces to be glued with a mist =of water (c) apply an ample amount of glue to cover all the surfaces to =be glued; just like Epon (d) bind the rod, straighten, and remove the =excess PU (e) hang it up for an hour or so in my warmed varnishing =cabinet (f) remove the string, scrape off any excess PU, and hang it =again for drying for a couple of days before proceeding to finish the =rod. Any good advice? Am I doing it wrong? Clean up with what? Thanks Peter "It's a funny old world. A man's lucky if he gets out of it alive."W C Fields ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C08BA6.6CD05B00 Peter, I don't know, but assume there are differences in = glues. I mist my strips with water prior to glueing, as you propose, but = the surface moisture soak in or evaporate before brushing on the = don't know if the water is necessary, but some list members have = failures in nodeless rods when they didn't first moisten the = have only tried Elmer's Probond and have found that it needs much longer = disposable brush, remove the string and scrape off the excess glue after = dried but before it becomes fully cured. -- Robert Kope -----Original = 'RODMAKERS' <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:34 PMSubject: = glue Hello , =Listmembers I am about to glue up my first = polyurethane glue - I have now done 13 with Epon. No problem with = but was given a sample of the PU, and thought I'd give it a try. The = a 6'3" 3 weight from Wayne Cattanach's book. = prepare the strips as usual for gluing, cut the masking tape, and = scrape off any excess PU, and hang it again for drying for a couple = before proceeding to finish the rod. Any good advice? Am I doing it= up with what? Thanks Peter "It's a funny old world. A = Fields ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C08BA6.6CD05B00-- from tcwege@earthlink.net Wed Jan 31 20:00:15 2001 f1120Ee22552 SAA27298 Subject: test-please respond Could someone please respond if this shows on the list. Changed ISP andhaving some issues.Thanks and Sorry for the BandwidthTilonew email: tcwege@earthlink.net from johnsabina@home.com Wed Jan 31 20:08:56 2001 f1128pe22926 ;Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:08:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? I am far from an expert caster and have only recently come to bamboo fromgraphite. My taste in graphite was in the medium-fast range. My OrvisTrident TL in med-flex 8.0 was my favorite. I went to the Grayrock 1999specifically to find a bamboo taper to build. I cast many rods and foundthat faster rods like a Payne 98 or Dickerson models suited me best. ( Withthese models I could use my "normal" casting stroke.) I was very fortunate to have FFF certified casting instructor Jim Bureauspend an hour with me. We used his recently completed P H YoungPerfectionist. With Jim's coaching I realized that what this rod needs is asmooth stroke. My normal technique was very jerky and usually finished witha snap of my wrist to "save" the cast. The Perfectionist will cast itselfwith very little effort, if you keep your stroke very smooth! The onlydifference between a short cast and a long cast is the length of the pauseat the end of the backcast. (No extra power is needed on the forwardstroke.) Stay smooth, let the rod do the work, and watch the leader turnover nicely and gently settle to the water almost every time. The message is try casting a parabolic taper smoothly. It really works! JJS----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? From: Danny Twang Subject: Parabolic superior to the rest...?Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:16:31 +0100 I lawn cast a couple of rods last night, PHY Driggs and Dickerson 6611taper, and "discovered" this: With the Driggs I could use DT4, WF4, DT5 and WF5, and they all seems tosuit the rod. With the 6611 (I made it for #3) was only good with my Phoenix DT3 andWF4 It made me wonder if a parabolic rod is more forgiving regardinglineweight?? regardsdeclared paraholicdanny One is not better than the other, they are different. That would be likesaying an Irish girl is prettier than a German girl. A living hell would be to force everyone to use a para rod, they are for alimited (very) number of people who can adapt their casting stroke to useone. They are very powerful, adaptable casting machines and I personalylikethem. A better para to learn how they work would be a #15. DT 5 or 6.Thesedays alot of people call wanting a 'parabolic' rod because it is abuzzwordthese days. I won't hardly make a true para (14-15-17-Payne) anymoreunlessI know who I am building it for. OH!! I guess I had better respond to to the question instead of 'lettingmymind drift :)' Yes paras are very tolerant of different line weights and no they do notseem to be tolerant as far as casting technique. They are much harder tocast when lined on the low side of their range.A.J.Thramer _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from drinkr@voicenet.com Wed Jan 31 20:17:00 2001 f112Gxe23221 (209.71.51.45) Subject: Epon information/Harry This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C08BCB.01DA9CA0 this information to unsuccessfully. Attached is the mixture information thatIve been messing around with. Some of the stresses established from postcuring with heat and not post curing are rather interesting . The heatdeflection is quite high.Let me know if you have any insights.David Rinker> from tcwege@earthlink.net Wed Jan 31 22:06:09 2001 f11468e25201 UAA22127 Subject: Removing Decals for Restoration List,Anybody have any clever techniques for removing a company decal fromundervarnish without wrecking it? I have a friends old SOUTH BEND 59-9' rod whichI offered to restore for him for practice purposes. Let me also make surethis rod has little value. I know it has sentimental value, but I assume nocollectors value- yes, no?Thanks once again,Tilo from flyfish@defnet.com Wed Jan 31 22:26:30 2001 f114QTe25877 Subject: Remove Decal? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C08B78.41EA89C0 TiloAre you sure you want to remove the decal. Most peoplewant to save the decal. Especially if your doing a restoration.The fact =that the decal remains intact, helps to increase the value of a rod. =Removing it would decrease the value. South Bend( splitcane) rods =usually go for about$50-$150 dollars. That is what they usually sell for. You might find =someone to say they are worth more, but have them show you the cash. LOL=If they pay it I stand corrected. That was meant to show real market =value, not to offend anyone.Tony Miller ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C08B78.41EA89C0 TiloAre you sure you want to remove the = peoplewant to save the decal. Especially if = restoration.The fact that the decal remains intact, helps = $50-$150 dollars. That is what they = real market value, not to offend anyone.Tony Millerflyfish@defnet.com www.homestead.com/= ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C08B78.41EA89C0-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Jan 31 22:38:51 2001 f114coe26463 Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:24:28 -0600 , Subject: Re: Parabolic superior to the rest...? That's about as good a description of casting with this type of taper, as Ihave ever read !GMA