Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:59:34 +0800 Subject: Re: Infected File I've been getting this virus sent for the last few days and I guess I've been Strongly suggest we kill the threads " Paul Young Perfectionist" and"Rectangular Quad" so when it appears in the future we all know it needs tobeterminated with extreme prejudice. If I've some how re infected the list with this virus as a result of thelatestblitz please accept my appoligies Tony At 07:55 AM 1/18/01 -0700, Ronnie L. Rees wrote: William Harms: I just received fourteen post from this person with ainfectedfile attached if you are this person please see to this, and if you doreceive post from this person do not open his attachments. Believe methis isnot the dreaded Para 16 we are all concerned about! /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 18 10:03:49 2001 f0IG3me24449 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:03:47 +0800 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:03:45 +0800 Subject: Re: Infected File Mike (list guy) are these infected messages being purged from the archives?Keep up the good work. Tony At 12:00 AM 1/19/01 +0800, Tony Young wrote:I've been getting this virus sent for the last few days and I guess I've beensent it no less than 50 times. Strongly suggest we kill the threads " Paul Young Perfectionist" and"Rectangular Quad" so when it appears in the future we all know it needsto beterminated with extreme prejudice. If I've some how re infected the list with this virus as a result of thelatestblitz please accept my appoligies /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from cattanac@wmis.net Thu Jan 18 10:09:14 2001 f0IG9Ce25099 Subject: Re: anybody know Mr. Harms? Fred - You know Bill as I do - there was no intention on his part - and Ihope when matters settle down Bill will rejoin us Wayne----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: anybody know Mr. Harms? I have called Bill Harms and he is aware of the problem. I do believe heis now 'off line' so the messages should stop. My count is 30.Unfortunately he opened up 'Emanuel' several days ago and the rest ishistory. Now he has a locked up computer and is embarrassed to hell.Justgoes to show how insidious this thing is. He sends his apologies to all. F. "David W. Smith, Ph.D." wrote: Anybody out there know where Mr. Harms (do you think the name couldbeprophetic?) lives so you could go over to his house and take his PC offline until he cleans up his virus? Or, at least know his phone numberto call him and suggest ways to help? I am now up to 20 infected notes from him in the past hour. WARNING EVERYONE, set your filter up to send any note from him torecycle!!dws. --Fred Bohls3519 Ada DriveMechanicsburg, Pa 17050-2213 (717) 732-5050 Frederick W. BohlsP. O. Box 253Enola, PA 17025-9998 (717) 732-2448 MAKE IT A GREAT DAY from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 10:21:37 2001 f0IGLae25921 2001 08:21:37 PST Subject: there is no virus on this one Re: [Fwd: Paul Young "Perfectionist"] alright enough is enough! i have recieved 25 exactemails from you all with the virus attachment. is thisa sick game or what?! NO MORE!!! TIMOTHY --- WILLIAM HARMS wrote:Does'nt anyone have any of this info?? Maybe it wasbecause of theproblems that were happening lately? Hopefullysomeone out there has oneof these rods or has access to some info for me. ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 18 10:26:13 2001 f0IGQBe26399 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:26:08 +0800 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:26:02 +0800 Subject: Re: anybody know Mr. Harms? "Rodmakers" Sure we can all take precautions but these things happen. I agree Billshould get rid of the virus and rejoin. This isn't the first time and itcertainly wont be the last.Does anybody know what actually happens, not the damage but what it lookslike when this virus is run? I'd be interested in knowing just in case. Tony At 11:06 AM 1/18/01 -0500, Wayne Cattanach wrote:Fred - You know Bill as I do - there was no intention on his part - and Ihope when matters settle down Bill will rejoin us Wayne----- Original Message -----From: FREDERICK W BOHLS, CFP Cc: ; Rodmakers Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:49 AMSubject: Re: anybody know Mr. Harms? I have called Bill Harms and he is aware of the problem. I do believe heis now 'off line' so the messages should stop. My count is 30.Unfortunately he opened up 'Emanuel' several days ago and the rest ishistory. Now he has a locked up computer and is embarrassed to hell.Justgoes to show how insidious this thing is. He sends his apologies to all. F. "David W. Smith, Ph.D." wrote: Anybody out there know where Mr. Harms (do you think the name couldbeprophetic?) lives so you could go over to his house and take his PC offline until he cleans up his virus? Or, at least know his phone numberto call him and suggest ways to help? I am now up to 20 infected notes from him in the past hour. WARNING EVERYONE, set your filter up to send any note from him torecycle!!dws. --Fred Bohls3519 Ada DriveMechanicsburg, Pa 17050-2213 (717) 732-5050 Frederick W. BohlsP. O. Box 253Enola, PA 17025-9998 (717) 732-2448 MAKE IT A GREAT DAY /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 18 10:45:11 2001 f0IGjAe27726 Subject: Attitude toward Virus warnings Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from rodsupstream@exploremaine.com Thu Jan 18 10:59:46 2001 f0IGxje28725 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:01:31 -0500 Subject: RE: Attitude toward Virus warnings I agree! Tim Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRodmaker-----Original Message----- Subject: Attitude toward Virus warnings Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from dutcher@email.msn.com Thu Jan 18 11:23:48 2001 f0IHNle29962 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:23:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Harry, Very well said. Every time I open my mail I learn something, even if itis to "trash attachments". Besides, I would miss hearing from new friends. Regards,Dick Richard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Attitude toward Virus warnings Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 11:28:10 2001 f0IHS9e00343 2001 09:28:11 PST Subject: Stuck Ferrules Hi, I have two sets of ferrules that are not attachedto anything except themselves. Someone sent me twosets of N/S Montague ferrules that the male is stuckin the female. I've tried heating up the female with aheat gun to seperate them but I started smelling thesolder and stopped. I currently have both sets in thefreezer and am going to try taking them out and trylow heat to seperate. Anybody have any ideas? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 18 11:37:50 2001 f0IHbme00944 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:37:48 +0800 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:37:47 +0800 Subject: Re: Stuck Ferrules Try mounting them on dowels or short sections of blanks then pull themapart when the glue is dry. Tony At 09:28 AM 1/18/01 -0800, Bill Walters wrote:Hi, I have two sets of ferrules that are not attachedto anything except themselves. Someone sent me twosets of N/S Montague ferrules that the male is stuckin the female. I've tried heating up the female with aheat gun to seperate them but I started smelling thesolder and stopped. I currently have both sets in thefreezer and am going to try taking them out and trylow heat to seperate. Anybody have any ideas? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 18 11:39:35 2001 f0IHdYe01095 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:38:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Stuck Ferrules Bill,Use some 5 minute epoxy to glue the ferrules to dowels.That'll give you something to grab to try to get themapart. Once apart, heat them to remove the dowels. Harry Bill Walters wrote: Hi, I have two sets of ferrules that are not attachedto anything except themselves. Someone sent me twosets of N/S Montague ferrules that the male is stuckin the female. I've tried heating up the female with aheat gun to seperate them but I started smelling thesolder and stopped. I currently have both sets in thefreezer and am going to try taking them out and trylow heat to seperate. Anybody have any ideas? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 18 11:40:45 2001 f0IHehe01272 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:40:43 +0800 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:40:42 +0800 Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Harry's absolutely right. Like a lot of things familiarity breeds contemptand computers deserve all the contempt you can muster :-) Remember when you were too petrified to do something wrong on the PC younow use every day? As time passes these things become less of a dread fearand more of an inconvenience.These days virus are simply a fact of computer life just as are HDDfailures, accidently deleted data and the stress felt when your ISP isdown. While nobody likes to get virus if you worry about them so much youleave a list or basically pull the plug on your modem the bastards havebeaten you. There has been good advise on the list about never opening an .exe file andbasically treat anything that looks out of the ordinary with suspicion aswell as using a virus scanner but you should consider that hard drivesdying are probably a lot more of a hassle than virus danger and the bestthing to do to reduce anxiety overall is make regular backups of your dataon rotated backup media. That way if for what ever reason you need tore-install you have a few vintages of backups to use just in case the mostrecent has the virus contained on it or the data is unrecoverable due tomedia failure which is always good for a laugh. Just to keep it in perspective a couple of days back I was asked to decideon what if any old computers were worth keeping and to throw any thatweren't out. Amongst all this there were seven 386 machines that I couldn'tfind any real use for so I removed the power supplies and RAM (on principalmore than expecting to find a use for it) and a few cards (same story) anddumped the rest of the carcass. At one point the kid I was given to help dothis came across a ream of copy paper and just as he was about to dump it Icaught him and told him not to throw the paper out because it cost goodmoney!! He looked at me like I had two heads and I have to admit it's ahard thing to justify based on what were were there doing.Think about that for a sec. A ream of paper is now worth more than 5 yearold PCs that cost almost $1500 to buy at the time.Years from now people will shake their heads at what we're doing just nowI'm sure of it. Tony In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Yesterday it worked.Today it is not working.Windows is like that. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from iank@ts.co.nz Thu Jan 18 12:41:17 2001 f0IIfBe03866 07:40:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of cane rodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250 to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K from jvswan@earthlink.net Thu Jan 18 13:15:19 2001 f0IJFIe05596 (63.225.232.197) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: competition Wow, for some reason I had always thought of this craft as sort of immunetothe threat of import knockoffs... Having said that, I guess I am not too concerned about their product.Bamboo rods are kind of an eclectic piece of equipment, and for most peopleare an acquired taste. There are so many people who took up fly fishingduring the "Sage Era" that they have very little sense of subtlety orfinesse. It seems like the people who actually look for a good bamboo rodare more likely to pay more for a rod and are going to look for them fromwell known sources if they don't have a friend in the business. Besides, people who fish with bamboo are not the kind of people who makepurchases because an item is "cheaper" or "less expensive" than analternative. Face it, bamboo rods are expensive. Time consuming for thebuilder and pricey for the purchaser. So, who would even look for, letalone consider, buying a bamboo rod because it is cheap? Those who areinterested in cheaper equipment are looking for graphite and probably don'tappreciate the feel and qualities of a bamboo rod. I hope that doesn't sound too elitist? Jason Swan From: "Ian Kearney" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250 to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K from ewp42@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 13:26:17 2001 f0IJQGe06209 2001 11:26:16 PST Subject: Re: competition Agree generally with what you say, Jason, but the Chinbese rods couldoffer a nice "entry level" opportunity for some who would like to trycane without a great deal of financial exposure. I guess I don't necessarily agree that the Chinese rods looked thatnice cosmetically. Who knows what they're like from a performancestandpoint? Assuming they perform reasonably well, they could be thecatalyst to move someone to a superior product from a domestic maker. Eric __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from jteft@frontiernet.net Thu Jan 18 13:52:24 2001 f0IJqNe07496 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:52:03 -0700 claiming to be "jteft" 2001 Subject: Re: competition Friends, Let us be careful about labeling things as cheap, knockoffs etc.until someone has purchased and evaluated one of these rods. Craftsmanabound in all parts of the world and are capable of producing or reproducinga quality product.There is a abundance of low cost labor in this country and if it has beencollected into a cooperative effort could possibly produce this type ofresults. JimT-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: competition Wow, for some reason I had always thought of this craft as sort of immunetothe threat of import knockoffs... Having said that, I guess I am not too concerned about their product.Bamboo rods are kind of an eclectic piece of equipment, and for mostpeopleare an acquired taste. There are so many people who took up fly fishingduring the "Sage Era" that they have very little sense of subtlety orfinesse. It seems like the people who actually look for a good bamboo rodare more likely to pay more for a rod and are going to look for them fromwell known sources if they don't have a friend in the business. Besides, people who fish with bamboo are not the kind of people who makepurchases because an item is "cheaper" or "less expensive" than analternative. Face it, bamboo rods are expensive. Time consuming for thebuilder and pricey for the purchaser. So, who would even look for, letalone consider, buying a bamboo rod because it is cheap? Those who areinterested in cheaper equipment are looking for graphite and probably don'tappreciate the feel and qualities of a bamboo rod. I hope that doesn't sound too elitist? Jason Swan From: "Ian Kearney" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K from ewp42@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 14:28:57 2001 f0IKSle09018 2001 12:28:49 PST Subject: Re: competition No intent on my part to label the Chinese rods as "cheap knockoffs" andsorry if I conveyed that impression. from what I could see in the pixon the web site, I was personally unimpressed with some of thecosmetics, such as some gratuitous wraps between ferrule and guide. All that opinion reflects is that I am pretty conservative in terms ofwhat I consider "nice" and "right." 'Twould be more interesting, asyou imply, to see/feel how the rods perform, however, than to criticizehow they look. Eric __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 15:01:47 2001 f0IL1ke10593 2001 13:01:47 PST Subject: Re: competition I for one would be very interested in hearing fromanyone that buys either a blank or a finished rod.This may have been Mr. Gerhke's dream come tofruition, a scary thought. Seems to me we willprobably be hearing alot from the Chinese in years tocome, in the economic arena. If they get organizedthey could put the 'hurtin' on many western economies. --- Jim Tefft wrote:Friends, Let us be careful about labeling things ascheap, knockoffs etc.until someone has purchased and evaluated one ofthese rods. Craftsmanabound in all parts of the world and are capable ofproducing or reproducinga quality product.There is a abundance of low cost labor in thiscountry and if it has beencollected into a cooperative effort could possiblyproduce this type ofresults. JimT-----Original Message-----From: Jason Swan Date: Thursday, January 18, 2001 2:17 PMSubject: Re: competition Wow, for some reason I had always thought of thiscraft as sort of immunetothe threat of import knockoffs... Having said that, I guess I am not too concernedabout their product.Bamboo rods are kind of an eclectic piece ofequipment, and for most peopleare an acquired taste. There are so many peoplewho took up fly fishingduring the "Sage Era" that they have very littlesense of subtlety orfinesse. It seems like the people who actuallylook for a good bamboo rodare more likely to pay more for a rod and are goingto look for them fromwell known sources if they don't have a friend inthe business. Besides, people who fish with bamboo are not thekind of people who makepurchases because an item is "cheaper" or "lessexpensive" than analternative. Face it, bamboo rods are expensive. Time consuming for thebuilder and pricey for the purchaser. So, whowould even look for, letalone consider, buying a bamboo rod because it ischeap? Those who areinterested in cheaper equipment are looking forgraphite and probably don'tappreciate the feel and qualities of a bamboo rod. I hope that doesn't sound too elitist? Jason Swan From: "Ian Kearney" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in thecommercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers siteonhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods lookquite nice , and at $250to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from anglport@con2.com Thu Jan 18 15:22:48 2001 f0ILMme11956 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Anyone who hasn't an antivirus on their machine might try downloadingInoculateIT from:http://antivirus.cai.com/ I have had it recommended by several people who use it (notably, DickFuhrman of the list and my own son). If it's for your home computer, it'sentirely free and VERY effective.I CAN'T have any connection, remember, the dopey thing is FREE!!!!!!Art At 10:43 AM 01/18/2001 -0600, Harry Boyd wrote:Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Thu Jan 18 16:49:35 2001 f0IMnXe15764 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:48:36 -0700 , Subject: Re: competition This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. I agree Bill...Many western economies have already been hurt. More will follow. But, I =don't think many people will be willing to spend discretionary funds on a =less than authentic rod. For lack of a better analogy, it would be like a =U.S. manufacture trying to sell mass produced Samurai swords to the =Japanese. By the way, just look at the low bids for old Japanese rods on =E- bay. Some of them do look nice -but- just imagine showing off your new =Harbor Freight rod to your friends. Jim Bill Walters 01/18/01 02:01PM >>>I for one would be very interested in hearing fromanyone that buys either a blank or a finished rod.This may have been Mr. Gerhke's dream come tofruition, a scary thought. Seems to me we willprobably be hearing alot from the Chinese in years tocome, in the economic arena. If they get organizedthey could put the 'hurtin' on many western economies. I agree Bill...Many western economies have already been analogy, it would be like a U.S. manufacture trying to sell mass = friends. one = be very interested in hearing fromanyone that buys either a blank or = finished rod.This may have been Mr. Gerhke's dream cometofruition,= scary thought. Seems to me we willprobably be hearing alot from the = in years tocome, in the economic arena. If they get organizedthey= put the 'hurtin' on many western economies. from dr.matro@airmail.net Thu Jan 18 17:05:08 2001 f0IN57e16483 sender: sender: Organization: KC Graphics Subject: Lake Thanks mac-creator="4D4F5353" It's a cold and rainy day here in North Texas. Got a big fire going inthe fireplace, doing year-end stuff for the graphics biz, watching oneof the cats sleeping on the big monitor and trying not to fall off. Then I ran across some unfinished business from 2000. I never thanked all the people who helped make SRG 2000 such a hugesuccess. Not just Harry, Mike, Charlie, Rick and Dennis. But John Z,Harold & Eileen, Al & Carole & Clara, Bill L and Morten L and Mark vPand anyone else who presented and that I've overlooked. I'd also like to thank those who gave a little piece of themselves,donating from their private treasure troves to make the silent auction avery special event.Bob Venneri-Reel SeatDarrell & Mark Arnel-Floatation VestKurt SchenewerkShaun SchmitzBob Nunely-Reel Seat BlanksRick Funcik-Roughing FormMike Biondo-Bamboo CulmJohn & Terri Madden-Deer Skins/Rod Cases & BagsMike Antrim-FlylineDennis Conrad-Conrach HacklesHarold & Eileen Demarest-Books & MagazineJim Hatfield-Alcohol Torch, Peach CobblerMark & Regina Van Patten-Gift BasketGolden Witch-Splice Block/Silk/Bloxygen/Ferrule PullerBill Lamberson-Reel Seat HardwareWayne Cattanach-BookDan Cooney-Dial GaugeHarry Boyd-NS TubingJohn Zimny-Zimny FerruleMark Evans-Rod Tube KitTom Chirko-Wader Straps; Tool CaddyDennis Higham-Plane; Fly VestWoodson Emmons-Block PlaneSteve Trauthwein- BookDan Rockafellow-Leather Rod TubeOnis & Jamie Cogburn-Reel SeatBrian Justiss-Bamboo Flyrod MagazinesREC-CorkRick Crenshaw-Reel SeatsKen Cole-MagazineRon Barch-Book & RodcaseBob Graves- Cigars Thanks again everyone, and Happy New Millennium...yes, I'm one of thosepeople. Ken Cole1/18/01-Dallas from harms1@pa.net Thu Jan 18 17:13:29 2001 f0INDSe16979 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:13:23 -0500 Subject: Folks, I'm SAFE again This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0817A.3A7AE660 -----------------------------------------------------Dear Listmembers, As you know, I was infected by the "emanuel.exe" virus this morning. My =comptuer went absolutely crazy as a result, automatically sending out =messages and pollutinjg the list with infected garbage. I spent the =rest of the day (because, obviously, I'm an idiot in the first place) =finding out how to correct the problem. To all who may have been affected as well as to all who were simply =annoyed, please accept my deepest apologies for this carelessness on my =part. Several listmembers were indignant with me and the havoc I caused =(and I certainly wouldn't blame them for that), but to Wayne Cattenach, =Fred Bohls, Tony Young and especially Harry Boyd, I want to extend my = Fortunately, most of you had already been warned of this virus, and I =pray that the rest of you were wise enough simply to avoid "my" messages =this morning. Unfortunately for me, however, I had not been on my =computer for two days, and I did not know of the virus. My email is =arranged with the oldest messages at the top of the list, so when I =started in, there was the "emanuel.exe" attatchment promising great =info. about the Edwards quad. You know the rest. And, of course, as I =later saw, there toward the bottom of my list were all the warnings =about this attachment--too late for me. All is well with my system now, but once again, my friends, please hear =me when I say how ashamed I am to have caused so much trouble for you. =A real "rookie" move for a guy who's been around the block more than a =couple times. Cheers, Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0817A.3A7AE660 Listmembers, As you know, Iwas = crazy as a result, automatically sending out messages and pollutinjg the = problem. To all who mayhave = indignant with me and the havoc I caused (and I certainly wouldn't blame = Fortunately,most of = Unfortunately for me, however, I had not been on my computer for two = "emanuel.exe" attatchment promising great info. about the Edwards = attachment--too late for me. All is well with my system= been around the block more than a couple times. Cheers, =Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0817A.3A7AE660-- from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 18 17:23:24 2001 f0INNNe17448 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:23:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Folks, I'm SAFE again Bill,Glad to have you back with us, safe and sound again. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 18 17:23:55 2001 f0INNse17538 Subject: Re: competition Fellow Listers, There is something to be considered here in all this. Despite the rods beingrelatively inexpensive, despite the unknown with regard to quality, castingability, etc. there is a larger picture worthy of consideration. Would anyof you, given that you wanted to buy a bamboo rod, send your money toChina,to someone you don't know, for a product of which you know nothing and thathas no warranty, no support system, and no one to whom you might talk, askquestions, and hold accountable? Now, if the Chinese were to have an foreignimporter with rods available, and one whom is accountable, they might have abetter shot at making a go of this. This idea, however, would require theinvestment of a considerable sum of capital, time, and energy, and all this you do it? I wouldn't. Also, consider that the profit potential is much, much greater with aplastic rod than with a bamboo rod -- any bamboo rod. It matters not thatChina has a less expensive, more vast labor pool. When plastic rods canbehad on a distributor level for less than $100.00, with plenty of potential the aforementioned commodities on the hypothetical marketaforementioned?And I won't even go into the millions and millions of dollars that have beenspent to tell Joe Sixpack how to think -- and he thinks PLASTIC. I wish the people involved in this endeavor the very best, and wouldencourage them, as I would anyone, to continue to strive towards whatevergoals they might have, to continue to better themselves, and to becomemoreskilled, more capable as rodmakers. Inasmuch as this is not rodmaking related I will retire from this subject.Please mail me off list with any comments, flames, invectives, or rawdiatribes, as well as rationed, reasoned, intelligent, passioned arguments,attaboys, or commiserations. M-D Agree generally with what you say, Jason, but the Chinese rods couldoffer a nice "entry level" opportunity for some who would like to trycane without a great deal of financial exposure.Eric from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 18 17:23:57 2001 f0INNue17543 Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Amen. Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Thu Jan 18 17:41:27 2001 f0INfRe18673 +0000 Subject: Bait Casting and Tournament Bait Casting Tapers As a follow on to my recent posting on tournament fly rod tapers hereare a few bait casting tapers ( for those few of us interested ! )asextracted from 'Tournament Fly and Bait Casting Tapers ' by Earl Ostenand published by Barnes in 1946. All dims are in sixty fourths of an inch ! such a taper earlier in the week for his father in law and the 18lbtrout in his local fishery....where do these lucky people live ????)Length 51/2'Calibrations at 6" intervals9,11,13,15,18,20,22,24,27 and 29 General All Round bait CasterLength 51/2'8,9,11,13,15,17,19,20,22 and 24 One Piece Tournament Rods yet with abundant power to propel the plug to the farthest targets.Specification ALength 6' 1 1/2"7,8,9,11,12,13,15,16,18,19 and 26 Specification BLength 6'7,8,10,11,12,13,14,16,17,18 and 25 Specification ALength 6'1 1/2"7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,17 and 26 Specification BLength 6'1 3/4"6,7,8,10,11,11,12,14,16,19 and 21 ( described as a very light action ) Specification APronounced Tip ActionLength 5 1/2'9,11,13,15,18,20,22,24,27 and 29 Specification BStraight Taper ,Extra Heavy Full length Action.11,12,15,16,18,20,22,24,25 and 27 Length 5 1/2'8,11,13,15,18,20,21,22,23 and 24.Note the last two calibrations could be 25/64 and 26/64 withoutaffecting the action of this superb rod ( so says the book ! ) Regards all.......Paul from cbogart@shentel.net Thu Jan 18 17:59:57 2001 f0INxue19362 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:59:54 -0500 "wlwalter77us@yahoo.com" (5.0.2195;1) Subject: Re: Stuck Ferrules Tony Use hot melt glue - not epoxy. Now you know why some guys make ferrule pullers. Chris On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:38:44 +0800, Tony Young wrote: Try mounting them on dowels or short sections of blanks then pull themapart when the glue is dry. Tony At 09:28 AM 1/18/01 -0800, Bill Walters wrote:Hi, I have two sets of ferrules that are not attachedto anything except themselves. Someone sent me twosets of N/S Montague ferrules that the male is stuckin the female. I've tried heating up the female with aheat gun to seperate them but I started smelling thesolder and stopped. I currently have both sets in thefreezer and am going to try taking them out and trylow heat to seperate. Anybody have any ideas? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from flytyr@southshore.com Thu Jan 18 18:05:39 2001 f0J05ce19673 Subject: Re: Folks, I'm SAFE again --------------157C03CAFD6FC5666FB8D807 Bill,You don't know how close I came to opening thefirst message with the Quad.I pondered over it and came so close to clickingon it.I was just lucky that I did not do it. If I get aEXE attachment I send a message to the person who before I open it. If they did not send anattachment then they know they have one attachedand can stop sending mail till they clean it up.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com WILLIAM HARMS wrote: ----------------------------------------------------- Dear Listmembers, As you know, I was infected bythe "emanuel.exe" virus this morning. Mycomptuer went absolutely crazy as a result,automatically sending out messages andpollutinjg the list with infected garbage. Ispent the rest of the day (because, obviously,I'm an idiot in the first place) finding out howto correct the problem. To all who may have beenaffected as well as to all who were simplyannoyed, please accept my deepest apologies forthis carelessness on my part. Severallistmembers were indignant with me and the havocI caused (and I certainly wouldn't blame them Tony Young and especially Harry Boyd, I want toextend my deepest gratitude for vouching for mycharacter. Fortunately, most of you had alreadybeen warned of this virus, and I pray that therest of you were wise enough simply to avoid"my" messages this morning. Unfortunately forme, however, I had not been on my computer fortwo days, and I did not know of the virus. Myemail is arranged with the oldest messages atthe top of the list, so when I started in, therewas the "emanuel.exe" attatchment promisinggreat info. about the Edwards quad. You knowthe rest. And, of course, as I later saw, theretoward the bottom of my list were all thewarnings about this attachment--too late forme. All is well with my system now, but onceagain, my friends, please hear me when I say howashamed I am to have caused so much trouble foryou. A real "rookie" move for a guy who's beenaround the block more than a coupletimes. Cheers, Bill --------------157C03CAFD6FC5666FB8D807 Bill,You don't know how close I came to opening the first message with theQuad.I pondered over it and came so close to clicking on it.I was just lucky that I did not do it. If I get a EXE attachment Isend a message to the person who sent it and ask if they sent me anattachmentbefore I open it. If they did not send an attachment then they know theyhave one attached and can stop sending mail till they clean it up. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: ---------------------------Dear My comptuer went absolutely crazy as a result, automatically sending out rest of the day (because, obviously, I'm an idiot in the first place) finding all who may have been affected as well as to all who were simply annoyed, Several listmembers were indignant with me and the havoc I caused (andI certainly wouldn't blame them for that), but to Wayne Cattenach, FredBohls, Tony Young and especially Harry Boyd, I want to extend my deepestgratitude for vouching for my most of you had already been warned of this virus, and I pray that therest of you were wise enough simply to avoid "my" messages this Unfortunately for me, however, I had not been on my computer for two days, messages at the top of the list, so when I started in, therewas the "emanuel.exe" attatchment promising great info. about the Edwards toward the bottom of my list were all the warnings about is well with my system now, but once again, my friends, please hear me A real "rookie" move for a guy who's been around the block more than a --------------157C03CAFD6FC5666FB8D807-- from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 18 18:06:35 2001 f0J06Ze19802 Subject: The Best There Is! I watched the virus go through today. Wish my problem could be solved as easy as deleting a few emails. I have a REAL virus. It's called my ISP! You know, the guy who is SUPPOSED to supply you internet SERVICE. My present problem began over a month ago. Periodically, as an ISP grows, he gets more customers than he can service. Usually, he adds more computer power and the problem, goes away. This problem shows up as a busy signal when you try and connect. Usually it goes away in a few days. This time it lasted over a month and at it's height, sometimes took the dialer working for an hour to get an open line. (I had it set to redial as soon as it detected a busy signal.) Finally, this past weekend it quit giving a busy signal. Now it connects every time I dial...for 30 seconds. Yep, I can connect but you sure can't do much in 30 seconds. I double checked to make sure it wasn't my set-up. I tried two modems, two operating systems and two computers. Same problem on all. I tried calling the ISP. Placed on hold a total of 1 hour for two calls to technical support. Got a bunch of telephone numbers the first time...they didn't work either. The second time, the tech was sure it was the telephone system! Of course the telephone guy says no problem with the line, it is the computer guys(ISP). I sent several email reports of trouble to the technical support group. Got several automated responses saying they had receivedmy emails and one email saying they were glad I had called their technical support group and would I please fill out their opinion survey. Boy DID I fill it out! Haven't received an answer to that yet. I thought about changing my ISP...Really didn't want to...like changing your telephone number or address. Seems like you never get things straightened out. But finally, I decided I had had enough. So I logged onto CNET to see who was best. Then I found out. My ISP is Earthlink. Earthlink is rated by CNET as the best there is! Best regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com (for now) from ajthramer@hotmail.com Thu Jan 18 18:07:06 2001 f0J075e19978 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:07:01 -0800 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:07:01 GMT Subject: Re: competition FILETIME=[BF400B10:01C081AB] From: "Ian Kearney" Subject: competitionDate: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of cane rodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250 to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K I have seen the blanks , you will notice that there are no closeups of the canework? A good reason for that. I can say with certainty that the cane work will not pass muster with an increasingly sophisticated US consumer. In the US we have built the best cane rods for a century plus, don't know exactly why, but I think it has something to do with the Puritanical strive sum of its parts, it has to please the eye, the soul , and the casting hand. A related point is what happened to Fenwick, excellent reputation for many years, operation moved offshore. Even with oversight they have been relegated to the low to mid priced sporting goods store type of sales that no serious fisherman would get caught with. No love lost with the serious FF community, alot of it due to the very fact that the operation WAS moved offshore and a resulting perception of a lowered quality. Things are always changing in every market, if this turns out to be a serious threat we will learn to adapt.A.J.Thramer I_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from johanyga@online.no Thu Jan 18 18:44:59 2001 f0J0iwe21471 (MET) Subject: Asbjoern Hoergaard Dear listmembers, I just learned that Asbjoern Hoergaard, the Norwegian rodmaker who wasportraited in the the current issue of Power Fibers, passed away last Mondayat the age of 90.I met Asbjoern a couple of times during the late 70's, and I am the luckyowner of several of his best rods. regardsJohan Nygaardsvold from oakmere@carol.net Thu Jan 18 18:53:06 2001 f0J0r5e21780 Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Hi Folks: A fishing friend has ask that I look at a Heddon bamboo rod. The rodhistory is that it was purchased at Ambercrombie and Fitch (surlymisspelled) in Chicago in the early 50's, and given to him about 15 yearsago by the owner. He subsequently coated the guide wrappings (more aboutthat coating in a minute). The only label on the rod is the name "The Pine"in script. It is a one tip, 3 piece rod that is 9 feet long. The finish isexcellent except for what my friend tried to do to the wraps. I haveconsulted Sinclair's restoration book and found the following about thisrod. The reel seat has a patent no. 1624052 which is verified by DonPhillip's book, "The Technology of Fly Rods." There are no other markingson the rod. It has blacken nickle silver ferrules and reel seat. It has themarblized mottled Pyraline spacer, a black tenite butt cap, and adownlocking threaded sliding band and locking nut. It has the same geometryhandle and size as described for the 1948-1954 Heddon rods in Sinclair. Theguides are gold wraps with black tipping. My friend was told it was aPresident model, but looking at Sinclair's book it would appear to be aPeerless model when compared to the wrappings. Any input on the modelwouldbe appreciated. Ok, here is the tough stuff. It appears that the owner applied a finishover the wraps some years ago. It could be polyurthane, shellac, orlacquer, he does not remember. The wrap finish has bubbled up and looksvery bad. It makes a very beautiful rod look terrible. Some of this finishran onto the ferrules and in some places onto the varnished bamboo shafts.I think it is shellac and not polyurthane or lacquer. I think the reasonthat it is shellac is that I used wood alcohol to remove it from one of theferrules and it came off easily. Also when I used my fingers to apply thealcohol, they became orange - the orange color of shellac. If it werepolyurthane I don't think the alcohol would have attacked it. Also I havenoted that the alcohol attacks the finish on the bamboo as well in a testspot. I have talked to the owner and he is almost sure he did not uselacquer to coat the wraps, but he did not know for sure. I also noted onthe wrap next to the ferrule that the alcohol removed in a small area thewrap color and the wrap looks white. Could the color have been painted onthe wrap before finishing or would alcohol do this to the rod wrap? Thealcohol leave kind of a sticky finish until it dries. OK, should I explore some other solvent to get at the problem and see whatelse happens in a small area, or should I do something else? The ownerwould like to have the rod "fixed up" before he uses it. The varnish onmost of the rod is outstanding so I hesistate to do anything to it, but thewraps are a real mess and need serious attention. Looking for some answers from this list of experts.Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Thu Jan 18 18:59:36 2001 f0J0xYe22145 ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:58:07 -0500 Subject: Imported rods I am surprised, AJ, that you were able to see one. I had a gentleman offer me a few, and I asked for a sample to review in Power Fibers. They refused, saying that they did not have any available at the time. I thought this was suspicious that they had none on hand. (However, I do understand that most makers aren't just sending out rods for review anywhere.) My cynical self thought it must have been a scam.Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 18 19:17:49 2001 f0J1Hme22711 Subject: Re: The Best There Is! Hey! It's fixed! (Knock on wood and cross my heart etc. etc.). At least I decided to call customer service instead of technical service and complain to them. Well, this nice lady looked at my account and figured out what the problem was. I had signed with Netcom several years ago. Netcom was bought by Mindspring and Mindspring was bought by Earthlink. In the process of transferring identity, passwords and the like, it was noted that my password was encrypted but nothing was done. Apparently for some applications it didn't know who I was. That's why the phone numbers they gave me wouldn't work. Since the number I normally use was the one I had signed up on, it knew me but the alternate numbers didn't. The problem was, the number that knew me has started dropping calls. It's to bad the technical guys didn't stay with me long enough to pick up on that. It's getting there when a lady in customer service is better than the techs! Best regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com (guess I'll keep it a while longer!) from edriddle@mindspring.com Thu Jan 18 19:22:49 2001 f0J1Mme23076 Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Harry:Thanks for the calming effect...well said... and continue to keep us civil.Ed----- Original Message ----- Subject: Attitude toward Virus warnings Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. from Canerods@aol.com Thu Jan 18 19:31:45 2001 f0J1Vie23498 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance --part1_86.5b73c7b.2798f2d9_boundary Frank, Heddon varnish is just looking for an excuse to melt down. Any solvent on Heddon Varnish will most likely melt it beyond repair. Send it off to Michael Sinclair or other rod restorer to rub out. IMHO, Don Burns --part1_86.5b73c7b.2798f2d9_boundary Frank, Heddon varnish is just looking for an excuse to melt down. Any solventon Heddon Varnish will most likely melt it beyond repair. Send it off toMichael Sinclair or other rod restorer to rub out. IMHO, Don Burns --part1_86.5b73c7b.2798f2d9_boundary-- from Canerods@aol.com Thu Jan 18 19:32:00 2001 f0J1Vxe23591 Subject: Re: Folks, I'm SAFE again --part1_37.f8da9db.2798f2dc_boundary All, I setup my AOL account that I use for rodmakers and FF@ to block ALL attachements - saves lots of grief. If you have the means to setup more than one email account that you do the same with one of them. Don Burns --part1_37.f8da9db.2798f2dc_boundary All, I setup my AOL account that I use for rodmakers and FF@ to block ALL attachements - saves lots of grief. If you have the means to setup more than one email account that youdo the same with one of them. Don Burns --part1_37.f8da9db.2798f2dc_boundary-- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Thu Jan 18 19:44:32 2001 f0J1iWe24219 ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:41:57 -0500 Subject: e-mail change HI everyone:As some of you know, I have been in ISP limbo (HI Onis). My new direct e-mail is bmaulucci@adelphia.net. THe forwarded messages from bob@downandacross.com should be working, but I seem to be missing stuff. Please use the direct e-mail if you need me. Sorry for the bandwidth. HOpe you are all well, Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular716- 836-2229 faxbob@downandacross.com from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 18 20:18:04 2001 f0J2I2e25053 Subject: viruses So far, I've not succumbed to a virus...yet. I don't open any attachment that I don't know what is. But I don't know how much longer that will suffice. A few years ago, I started using Eudora Lite because it was cheap (free) and it worked well. At that time you could set Eudora so it only recognized ascii. No matter what was attached or in it, if it was set to ascii, everything was converted to ascii. It was interesting looking at the ascii remains of the virus..and no danger of infection from the now dead virus. The problem now is the movement to put more and more features into all programs and that includes the email clients. I am now using Eudora version 5 and I can not find any command that will limit the output to ascii only. A few months ago we saw what an virus could do when it infected the MS Outlook Express. The attempts to put features into programs such as email clients weakens them to invasion by viruses. Supposedly, if you don't execute an attachment you can't catch the virus. This was certainly true a couple of years ago but the virus creators found they could imbed them in Word document files as macros tobe executed when the document was opened by the feature rich Word program. Then someone found out how to get the virus to be executed by another feature rich program, Outlook Express. I'm not really sure how safe any of the email client packages are anymore. Another morbid thought brought to you by,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 18 20:22:16 2001 f0J2MFe26077 Subject: The Cursed CometCursor This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0818B.E9BD2BE0 To whomever may be interested: In the recent CometCursor debacle I hereby admit to some degree of =fault, and to some perhaps mistaken misgivings about CometCursor. I have =had a series of ongoing "conversations" with the people at =CometCursor. If any of you are interested in reading the entire =discussion, please e-mail me OFF LIST, and I will forward same to you. M-D ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0818B.E9BD2BE0 To whomever may interested: In the = CometCursor debacle I hereby admit to some degree of fault, and to some = interested in reading the entire discussion, please e-mail me OFF LIST, = will forward same to you. M-D ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0818B.E9BD2BE0-- from edriddle@mindspring.com Thu Jan 18 20:33:31 2001 f0J2XUe26521 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Frank:I just took a gander at my copy of the "Heddon" book by Michael Sinclair andsee within no reference to Heddon making rods for A & F. The book doesinclude a listing of Heddon made trade rods and firms, dated 4/6/37, thatdoes include a "trade name rod" called "The Pine" made for a firm named " C.G. Baisch" ( of whom I've never heard). (Maybe A & F picked this up at alater date?). Sorry I can't provide more, surely there is more info outthere on the List.Regards,Ed----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Hi Folks: A fishing friend has ask that I look at a Heddon bamboo rod. The rodhistory is that it was purchased at Ambercrombie and Fitch (surlymisspelled) in Chicago in the early 50's, and given to him about 15 yearsago by the owner. He subsequently coated the guide wrappings (more aboutthat coating in a minute). The only label on the rod is the name "ThePine"in script. It is a one tip, 3 piece rod that is 9 feet long. The finish isexcellent except for what my friend tried to do to the wraps. I haveconsulted Sinclair's restoration book and found the following about thisrod. The reel seat has a patent no. 1624052 which is verified by DonPhillip's book, "The Technology of Fly Rods." There are no other markingson the rod. It has blacken nickle silver ferrules and reel seat. It hasthemarblized mottled Pyraline spacer, a black tenite butt cap, and adownlocking threaded sliding band and locking nut. It has the samegeometryhandle and size as described for the 1948-1954 Heddon rods in Sinclair.Theguides are gold wraps with black tipping. My friend was told it was aPresident model, but looking at Sinclair's book it would appear to be aPeerless model when compared to the wrappings. Any input on the modelwouldbe appreciated. Ok, here is the tough stuff. It appears that the owner applied a finishover the wraps some years ago. It could be polyurthane, shellac, orlacquer, he does not remember. The wrap finish has bubbled up and looksvery bad. It makes a very beautiful rod look terrible. Some of this finishran onto the ferrules and in some places onto the varnished bambooshafts.I think it is shellac and not polyurthane or lacquer. I think the reasonthat it is shellac is that I used wood alcohol to remove it from one oftheferrules and it came off easily. Also when I used my fingers to apply thealcohol, they became orange - the orange color of shellac. If it werepolyurthane I don't think the alcohol would have attacked it. Also I havenoted that the alcohol attacks the finish on the bamboo as well in a testspot. I have talked to the owner and he is almost sure he did not uselacquer to coat the wraps, but he did not know for sure. I also noted onthe wrap next to the ferrule that the alcohol removed in a small area thewrap color and the wrap looks white. Could the color have been painted onthe wrap before finishing or would alcohol do this to the rod wrap? Thealcohol leave kind of a sticky finish until it dries. OK, should I explore some other solvent to get at the problem and see whatelse happens in a small area, or should I do something else? The ownerwould like to have the rod "fixed up" before he uses it. The varnish onmost of the rod is outstanding so I hesistate to do anything to it, butthewraps are a real mess and need serious attention. Looking for someanswers from this list of experts.Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from rmcelvain@uswest.net Thu Jan 18 20:50:39 2001 f0J2oce27099 oemcomputer.uswest.net) (63.230.7.28) Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance The A & F store in Chicago in the 40's and 50's was better known as VL&A, Von Legerke & Antione (really bad spelling on L and A, sorry). Most of their merchandise was sold under the VL&A label. A really great sporting goods store with clerks who fished and hunted.Best regards, Bob McElvain At 09:34 PM 1/18/01 -0500, you wrote:Frank:I just took a gander at my copy of the "Heddon" book by Michael Sinclair andsee within no reference to Heddon making rods for A & F. The book doesinclude a listing of Heddon made trade rods and firms, dated 4/6/37, thatdoes include a "trade name rod" called "The Pine" made for a firm named "C.G. Baisch" ( of whom I've never heard). (Maybe A & F picked this up at alater date?). Sorry I can't provide more, surely there is more info outthere on the List.Regards,Ed----- Original Message -----From: "Frank W. Paul" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 7:53 PMSubject: RE: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Hi Folks: A fishing friend has ask that I look at a Heddon bamboo rod. The rodhistory is that it was purchased at Ambercrombie and Fitch (surlymisspelled) in Chicago in the early 50's, and given to him about 15 yearsago by the owner. He subsequently coated the guide wrappings (moreaboutthat coating in a minute). The only label on the rod is the name "ThePine"in script. It is a one tip, 3 piece rod that is 9 feet long. The finish isexcellent except for what my friend tried to do to the wraps. I haveconsulted Sinclair's restoration book and found the following about thisrod. The reel seat has a patent no. 1624052 which is verified by DonPhillip's book, "The Technology of Fly Rods." There are no other markingson the rod. It has blacken nickle silver ferrules and reel seat. It hasthemarblized mottled Pyraline spacer, a black tenite butt cap, and adownlocking threaded sliding band and locking nut. It has the samegeometryhandle and size as described for the 1948-1954 Heddon rods in Sinclair.Theguides are gold wraps with black tipping. My friend was told it was aPresident model, but looking at Sinclair's book it would appear to be aPeerless model when compared to the wrappings. Any input on the modelwouldbe appreciated. Ok, here is the tough stuff. It appears that the owner applied a finishover the wraps some years ago. It could be polyurthane, shellac, orlacquer, he does not remember. The wrap finish has bubbled up and looksvery bad. It makes a very beautiful rod look terrible. Some of this finishran onto the ferrules and in some places onto the varnished bambooshafts.I think it is shellac and not polyurthane or lacquer. I think the reasonthat it is shellac is that I used wood alcohol to remove it from one oftheferrules and it came off easily. Also when I used my fingers to apply thealcohol, they became orange - the orange color of shellac. If it werepolyurthane I don't think the alcohol would have attacked it. Also I havenoted that the alcohol attacks the finish on the bamboo as well in a testspot. I have talked to the owner and he is almost sure he did not uselacquer to coat the wraps, but he did not know for sure. I also noted onthe wrap next to the ferrule that the alcohol removed in a small area thewrap color and the wrap looks white. Could the color have been painted onthe wrap before finishing or would alcohol do this to the rod wrap? Thealcohol leave kind of a sticky finish until it dries. OK, should I explore some other solvent to get at the problem and seewhatelse happens in a small area, or should I do something else? The ownerwould like to have the rod "fixed up" before he uses it. The varnish onmost of the rod is outstanding so I hesistate to do anything to it, butthewraps are a real mess and need serious attention. Looking for someanswers from this list of experts.Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from richjez@enteract.com Thu Jan 18 21:08:24 2001 f0J38Ne27691 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings --=====================_2159244==_.ALT I agree Harry and would like to add one more thing. Use a mail program other than Microsoft and you are less like to pass infections like this on. These bugs are mostly written to infect and use microsoft's softrare. Rich Jezioro At 10:43 AM 1/18/01, Harry Boyd wrote:Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > ))):>-- =====================_2159244==_.ALT I agree Harry and would like to add one more thing. Use a mail program other than Microsoft and you are less like to passinfections like this on. These bugs are mostly written to infect and usemicrosoft's softrare. Rich Jezioro At 10:43 AM 1/18/01, Harry Boyd wrote:Friends, messages and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever, know for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me, times I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too. our last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me a thing. a October of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would ever anxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. as --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ *_____________ ___________________) @/ ||/ ____/||_________________________________________ p;/\ ; / bsp; --=====================_2159244==_.ALT-- from ctn45555@centurytel.net Thu Jan 18 21:33:42 2001 f0J3Xge28386 Organization: Smith & Boyd Subject: Chuck problems I am getting ready to ferrule my first rod and am having some latheproblems. Basically, I can't get the blank perfectly centered in thechuck. I thought maybe the rod shaft was not straight, but have sincetried some straight metal dowels and get the same result (i.e. with alight pass, one side will be turned just slightly more than the other).I've tried using tape shims but that is proving frustrating. I don'twant to buy a new chuck at this point. Any ideas? I have tried using abastard file to turn a rod shaft from a broken bamboo rod. That seems towork really well. Anything wrong with using a file to turn down theferrule stations? Thanks in advance for your help, Chad S. Boyd from jerryy@webtv.net Thu Jan 18 21:53:41 2001 f0J3ree28987 (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA22833; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:53:41 - ETAsAhQKYAkMtaD5l3KM0YgDcU+V0dlyGwIUM4hbAi0+crTWmWV0OGI8OSJ2rLE= Subject: Re: Chuck problems JanContent-Disposition: Inline Chad - before you do anything I would suggest that you check the run outand find out exactly what the problem is. I have just bought a new Jet9 x20" lathe and before I did any thing I mounted a 1" mandrel andchecked with a .0001 indicator on a magnet base. Also use large scribepoints in the spindle and tailstock and match them if necessary. If itis the chuck you can check the runout. I have seen people that took thejaws apart and didn't mount them in sequence. Some chucks are so faroff that it may be necessary to mount a morse taper reamer in the tailstock and true up the jaws. It could even be the chuck back plate notbeing mounted on centers. Good luck, Jerry Young from darrell@rockclimbing.org Thu Jan 18 22:08:03 2001 f0J482e29391 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance The President #50 has a very distinctive and unique round butt cap and reelseat hood much different than the standard Heddons. The #35 has astandardlooking reel seat except that the wood spacer is walnut. It sounds like ithas a heddon seat, it's hard to say if it's a Heddon without seeing thewhole rod as I've never seen a Heddon by AF... Darrell-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Frank:I just took a gander at my copy of the "Heddon" book by Michael Sinclair andsee within no reference to Heddon making rods for A & F. The book doesinclude a listing of Heddon made trade rods and firms, dated 4/6/37, thatdoes include a "trade name rod" called "The Pine" made for a firm named " C.G. Baisch" ( of whom I've never heard). (Maybe A & F picked this up at alater date?). Sorry I can't provide more, surely there is more info outthere on the List.Regards,Ed----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Hi Folks: A fishing friend has ask that I look at a Heddon bamboo rod. The rodhistory is that it was purchased at Ambercrombie and Fitch (surlymisspelled) in Chicago in the early 50's, and given to him about 15 yearsago by the owner. He subsequently coated the guide wrappings (more aboutthat coating in a minute). The only label on the rod is the name "ThePine"in script. It is a one tip, 3 piece rod that is 9 feet long. The finish isexcellent except for what my friend tried to do to the wraps. I haveconsulted Sinclair's restoration book and found the following about thisrod. The reel seat has a patent no. 1624052 which is verified by DonPhillip's book, "The Technology of Fly Rods." There are no other markingson the rod. It has blacken nickle silver ferrules and reel seat. It hasthemarblized mottled Pyraline spacer, a black tenite butt cap, and adownlocking threaded sliding band and locking nut. It has the samegeometryhandle and size as described for the 1948-1954 Heddon rods in Sinclair.Theguides are gold wraps with black tipping. My friend was told it was aPresident model, but looking at Sinclair's book it would appear to be aPeerless model when compared to the wrappings. Any input on the modelwouldbe appreciated. Ok, here is the tough stuff. It appears that the owner applied a finishover the wraps some years ago. It could be polyurthane, shellac, orlacquer, he does not remember. The wrap finish has bubbled up and looksvery bad. It makes a very beautiful rod look terrible. Some of this finishran onto the ferrules and in some places onto the varnished bambooshafts.I think it is shellac and not polyurthane or lacquer. I think the reasonthat it is shellac is that I used wood alcohol to remove it from one oftheferrules and it came off easily. Also when I used my fingers to apply thealcohol, they became orange - the orange color of shellac. If it werepolyurthane I don't think the alcohol would have attacked it. Also I havenoted that the alcohol attacks the finish on the bamboo as well in a testspot. I have talked to the owner and he is almost sure he did not uselacquer to coat the wraps, but he did not know for sure. I also noted onthe wrap next to the ferrule that the alcohol removed in a small area thewrap color and the wrap looks white. Could the color have been painted onthe wrap before finishing or would alcohol do this to the rod wrap? Thealcohol leave kind of a sticky finish until it dries. OK, should I explore some other solvent to get at the problem and see whatelse happens in a small area, or should I do something else? The ownerwould like to have the rod "fixed up" before he uses it. The varnish onmost of the rod is outstanding so I hesistate to do anything to it, butthewraps are a real mess and need serious attention. Looking for someanswers from this list of experts.Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from flytyr@southshore.com Thu Jan 18 22:21:24 2001 f0J4LNe29781 Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:19:29 -0600 Subject: Re: Chuck problems What I did on my 9X20 was remove the chuck from the spindle flange. Threescrews is all it takes. Mark the flange and the chuck with a dimple at onescrew location. I don't think is really necessary but I did it. Take a verylight cut on the face of the flange. Mine was slightly off. I took severalthousands off till the face was completely flat. It made a big difference. Iam only out about .0005 now. I was out .003.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jerry Young wrote: Chad - before you do anything I would suggest that you check the run outand find out exactly what the problem is. I have just bought a new Jet9 x20" lathe and before I did any thing I mounted a 1" mandrel andchecked with a .0001 indicator on a magnet base. Also use large scribepoints in the spindle and tailstock and match them if necessary. If itis the chuck you can check the runout. I have seen people that took thejaws apart and didn't mount them in sequence. Some chucks are so faroff that it may be necessary to mount a morse taper reamer in the tailstock and true up the jaws. It could even be the chuck back plate notbeing mounted on centers. Good luck, Jerry Young from TBOWDEN@halcyon.com Thu Jan 18 22:47:26 2001 f0J4lPe00383 Subject: Re: competition Interesting to note that Jim Green was the head honcho at Fenwick back inthe 60s and 70s when they were "top of the line". When he left Fenwick, hefounded a new company - SAGE. So I guess the rodmaker really does makes adifference, even for fiberglass/graphite. Tom A related point is what happened to Fenwick, excellent reputation for many years, operation moved offshore. Even with oversight they have been relegated to the low to mid priced sporting goods store type of sales that no serious fisherman would get caught with. No love lost with the serious FF community, alot of it due to the very fact that the operation WAS moved offshore and a resulting perception of a lowered quality. Things are always changing in every market, if this turns out to be a serious threat we will learn to adapt.A.J.Thramer I_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from lblan@provide.net Thu Jan 18 22:50:12 2001 f0J4oCe00565 Subject: RE: Attitude toward Virus warnings I'll third the motion on InoculateIT. I own Norton, and McAfee, and stillprefer it. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Attitude toward Virus warnings Anyone who hasn't an antivirus on their machine might try downloadingInoculateIT from:http://antivirus.cai.com/ I have had it recommended by several people who use it (notably, DickFuhrman of the list and my own son). If it's for your home computer, it'sentirely free and VERY effective.I CAN'T have any connection, remember, the dopey thing is FREE!!!!!!Art At 10:43 AM 01/18/2001 -0600, Harry Boyd wrote:Friends, Most of us have received a bunch of infected messageslately. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all of us toback off a bit. I've been around here for several years,and cannot remember a single instance of anyone, ever,sending a virus to this list, or any list, Intentionally. Iknow for a fact that Bill Harms wouldn't ever do such athing, as Wayne and Fred stated previously. Among the hundreds of listmembers the levels of computersavvy vary greatly, from pro's like Tony, to users like me,to complete novices. In my mind, the rewards associatedwith a list like this far outweigh the risks. Every time wehave a new virus scare, some of us bail out. The first fewtimes I dealt with these insidious things scared me, too.But I've learned to just roll with the punches. Heck, evenour last round of animosity from up north didn't upset me abit! Maybe I'm just getting older and more mellow. Let's don't get in a big panic over this Emanuel thing.Take the necessary precautions. Get a virus protectionprogram. Don't open attachments. Don't allow the fear of avirus to become more destructive than the virus itself. InOctober of 1999, back before the Y2K crisis (remember that?)I preached a sermon in which I said that fear of the Y2K bugwas certainly more destructive than the crisis would everbe. That proved true. Well, seems to me that all theanxiety and panic over attached virus's in email programsare more destructive than th virus's themselves. So, let's be patient. Let's stop these things asquickly as we can. And let's get back to making rods. Harry--"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ from CALucker@aol.com Thu Jan 18 22:55:09 2001 f0J4t8e00839 Subject: Re: Chuck problems In a message dated 1/18/2001 7:34:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, ctn45555@centurytel.net writes: To fix your jaws DO NOT mount a reamer in the tail stock and take away jaw material. That will only adjust slack jaws. Your problem is your jaws are off when tightened.I suggest the following: Take the perfectly one inch circular disc that you use to adjust your micrometer and mount it in the very back of your jaws. Tighten. Mount a boring bar in your tool post. Dust the tips off your jaws until you are taking the slightest material off the last jaw to be touched up. Don't take more off than mecessary. remove the disc and file a relief where the disc was. Done. Actually before you do this, you might want to check how your chuck is mounted if it is attached to a plate with adjucting screws rather than an integral thread. If you do not have a perfect circle disc, then Hell, use an expensive washer or centerless ground bushing. I really encourage that you get a one inch test disc. How do you test set your micrometer? You cannot just set a micrometer at zero. Youo need to check at one inch, or 0.500 or some other known dimension as well. Chris Lucker from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Jan 18 23:28:18 2001 f0J5SHe01765 f0J5S2x19085; Subject: Re: competition Organization: vet Heavens, I hope Ackland doesn't read that! His blood pressure would start tolook like his telephone number. Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: competition Wow, for some reason I had always thought of this craft as sort ofimmunetothe threat of import knockoffs... Having said that, I guess I am not too concerned about their product.Bamboo rods are kind of an eclectic piece of equipment, and for mostpeopleare an acquired taste. There are so many people who took up fly fishingduring the "Sage Era" that they have very little sense of subtlety orfinesse. It seems like the people who actually look for a good bamboo rodare more likely to pay more for a rod and are going to look for them fromwell known sources if they don't have a friend in the business. Besides, people who fish with bamboo are not the kind of people who makepurchases because an item is "cheaper" or "less expensive" than analternative. Face it, bamboo rods are expensive. Time consuming for thebuilder and pricey for the purchaser. So, who would even look for, letalone consider, buying a bamboo rod because it is cheap? Those who areinterested in cheaper equipment are looking for graphite and probablydon'tappreciate the feel and qualities of a bamboo rod. I hope that doesn't sound too elitist? Jason Swan From: "Ian Kearney" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K from goodaple@tcac.net Thu Jan 18 23:53:05 2001 f0J5r4e02611 (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license1dc0b39e31881b14e43eebad2dae5270) 0600 Subject: Tormek question Organization: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C081AA.3E81EEE0 Does anyone know what shaft size the tormek wet/dry wheels use? Again, =Thanks in advance. Randall G. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C081AA.3E81EEE0 Does anyone know what shaft size the= wheels use? Again, Thanks in advance. Randall G. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C081AA.3E81EEE0-- from sniderja@email.uc.edu Fri Jan 19 06:09:49 2001 f0JC9ne06178 Subject: Re: competition --=====================_548090==_.ALT "A cane rod is of course more than the sum of its parts, it has to please the eye, the soul , and the casting hand." Simply excellent. My less-than-simple mind has always thought that this iswhatit was all about (for me).Thanks for reminding us, A.J.Jerry Snider At 12:07 AM 01/19/2001 +0000, Allen Thramer wrote: From: "Ian Kearney" Subject: competitionDate: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250 to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K I have seen the blanks , you will notice that there are no closeups of the canework? A good reason for that. I can say with certainty that the cane work will not pass muster with an increasingly sophisticated US consumer.In the US we have built the best cane rods for a century plus, don't know exactly why, but I think it has something to do with the Puritanical strive sum of its parts, it has to please the eye, the soul , and the casting hand. A related point is what happened to Fenwick, excellent reputation for many years, operation moved offshore. Even with oversight they have been relegated to the low to mid priced sporting goods store type of sales that no serious fisherman would get caught with. No love lost with the serious FF community, alot of it due to the very fact that the operation WAS moved offshore and a resulting perception of a lowered quality. Things are always changing in every market, if this turns out to be a serious threat we will learn to adapt.A.J.Thramer I_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --=====================_548090==_.ALT "A cane rod is of course more than the sum of its parts, it has to please the eye, the soul , and the castinghand." Simply excellent. My less-than-simple mind has always thought thatthis is what it was all about (for me).Thanks for reminding us, A.J.Jerry Snider At 12:07 AM 01/19/2001 +0000, Allen Thramer wrote: cane rods of the cane consumer. In know strive the sum hand. many that serious FF moved http://explorer.msn.com --=====================_548090==_.ALT-- from dnorl@qwest.net Fri Jan 19 06:39:33 2001 f0JCdWe06559 (63.228.45.150) Subject: Re: Bait Casting and Tournament Bait Casting Tapers Thanks Paul!Dave-----Original Message----- Subject: Bait Casting and Tournament Bait Casting Tapers As a follow on to my recent posting on tournament fly rod tapers hereare a few bait casting tapers ( for those few of us interested ! )asextracted from 'Tournament Fly and Bait Casting Tapers ' by Earl Ostenand published by Barnes in 1946. All dims are in sixty fourths of an inch ! such a taper earlier in the week for his father in law and the 18lbtrout in his local fishery....where do these lucky people live ????)Length 51/2'Calibrations at 6" intervals9,11,13,15,18,20,22,24,27 and 29 General All Round bait CasterLength 51/2'8,9,11,13,15,17,19,20,22 and 24 One Piece Tournament Rods yet with abundant power to propel the plug to the farthest targets.Specification ALength 6' 1 1/2"7,8,9,11,12,13,15,16,18,19 and 26 Specification BLength 6'7,8,10,11,12,13,14,16,17,18 and 25 Specification ALength 6'1 1/2"7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,17 and 26 Specification BLength 6'1 3/4"6,7,8,10,11,11,12,14,16,19 and 21 ( described as a very light action ) Specification APronounced Tip ActionLength 5 1/2'9,11,13,15,18,20,22,24,27 and 29 Specification BStraight Taper ,Extra Heavy Full length Action.11,12,15,16,18,20,22,24,25 and 27 Length 5 1/2'8,11,13,15,18,20,21,22,23 and 24.Note the last two calibrations could be 25/64 and 26/64 withoutaffecting the action of this superb rod ( so says the book ! ) Regards all.......Paul from earsdws@duke.edu Fri Jan 19 07:06:34 2001 f0JD6Xe07076 IAA02542; Organization: Hearing Research Laboratories, Duke University Medical Center Rodmakers Subject: the Navidad/Emanuel virus Unless they have mutated (been rev'd) there is complete info on the natureandexpression of these bugs on the McAfee (www.mcafee.com) website. The fixispainfully simple and, as far as I can tell...it got me early on between viruschecker updates...complete. Could be worse.dws. Tony Young wrote: Sure we can all take precautions but these things happen. I agree Billshould get rid of the virus and rejoin. This isn't the first time and itcertainly wont be the last.Does anybody know what actually happens, not the damage but what itlookslike when this virus is run? I'd be interested in knowing just in case. Tony At 11:06 AM 1/18/01 -0500, Wayne Cattanach wrote:Fred - You know Bill as I do - there was no intention on his part - and Ihope when matters settle down Bill will rejoin us Wayne----- Original Message -----From: FREDERICK W BOHLS, CFP Cc: ; Rodmakers Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:49 AMSubject: Re: anybody know Mr. Harms? I have called Bill Harms and he is aware of the problem. I do believe heis now 'off line' so the messages should stop. My count is 30.Unfortunately he opened up 'Emanuel' several days ago and the rest ishistory. Now he has a locked up computer and is embarrassed to hell.Justgoes to show how insidious this thing is. He sends his apologies to all. F. "David W. Smith, Ph.D." wrote: Anybody out there know where Mr. Harms (do you think the namecould beprophetic?) lives so you could go over to his house and take his PC offline until he cleans up his virus? Or, at least know his phone numberto call him and suggest ways to help? I am now up to 20 infectednotes from him in the past hour. WARNING EVERYONE, set your filter up to send any note from him torecycle!!dws. --Fred Bohls3519 Ada DriveMechanicsburg, Pa 17050-2213 (717) 732-5050 Frederick W. BohlsP. O. Box 253Enola, PA 17025-9998 (717) 732-2448 MAKE IT A GREAT DAY /**************************************************************************/ AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way.Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi /**************************************************************************/ from cfreaner@hq.nasa.gov Fri Jan 19 08:48:08 2001 f0JEm7e09554 Subject: New Virus Is Coming... Sorry for the bandwidth, but I thought you all might like a "heads-up" on this one. In a nutshell, a new version of the Melissa virus is out that disguises itself as a Macintosh-formatted version of a Microsoft Office document. Details can be found at responded to my question about the thread size on form bolts; the information is much appreciated. Claude from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Jan 19 08:58:55 2001 f0JEwte10197 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:47:13 -0600 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance I haven't had time to look it up yet, but I seem to recall Sinclairreferring to Heddon making some rods for A&F.GMA from nobler@satx.rr.com Fri Jan 19 09:24:09 2001 f0JFO8e11340 Subject: Truing a one time set up-3-jaw chuck You can put shims under 2 jaws of an out of true 3-jaw chuck, to bring aone- time set up pretty true. Get a box of multi thicknesses brass shimstock, and put shims under the jaws that will bring it true.GMA from dutcher@email.msn.com Fri Jan 19 13:02:56 2001 f0JJ2ue19887 Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:02:46 -0800 Subject: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance I have a little time before I start doing a little of nothing so, hereit is. Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook, Michael Sinclair, Centennial Publishing,page 89."Heddon not only made rods for their own catalog, but supplied many,many companies with rods to sell under their private label. Among the morecommon sellers of Heddon-made rods were Shakespeare, Weber, E. K. Tryon(JayHarvey Rods and Kingfisher Rods) And Lyon & Coulson." I hope this helps.Regards, Dick Richard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance I haven't had time to look it up yet, but I seem to recall Sinclairreferring to Heddon making some rods for A&F.GMA from Canerods@aol.com Fri Jan 19 13:55:44 2001 f0JJthe22860 Subject: Re: The Best There Is! --part1_30.f5fdd12.2799f5ab_boundary Hi, If you want to see bad - try bigplanet.com. They told me that they don't list "temporary" problems on there service problem list that's on their website. I couldn't send email for 10 days - that's temporary to them! Plus I'm not sure if I'm receiving all my e-mail - a few people tell me that they get bounced posts - but how does one know otherwise? Don Burns Canerods@aol.com AND FOR NOW dgburns@bigplanet.com --part1_30.f5fdd12.2799f5ab_boundary Hi, If you want to see bad - try bigplanet.com. They told me that they don'tlist "temporary" problems on there service problem list that's on theirwebsite. I couldn't send email for 10 days - that's temporary to them! Plus I'm not sure if I'm receiving all my e-mail - a few people tell me that they get bounced posts - but how does one know otherwise? Don Burns Canerods@aol.com AND FOR NOW dgburns@bigplanet.com --part1_30.f5fdd12.2799f5ab_boundary-- from JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 19 14:29:02 2001 f0JKT2e24629 ;Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:28:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Chuck problems Always use file in wood my wood lathe. Jack from piscator@macatawa.org Fri Jan 19 16:15:29 2001 f0JMFSe28630 Subject: Re: Truing a one time set up-3-jaw chuck You can also shim the blank with masking tape. Brian from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Jan 19 20:03:33 2001 f0K23We04848 Subject: Ferrule Station Cutters Hi Guys,I just wanted to send out a note to anyone who purchased a set of my cutters from me or Golden Witch. I hada call from one of the guys, that he had a problem with one ofthe cutters. Size 11/64 . Seems like the back bore on this cutterwasn't large enough and it caused the cutter to bind up on theshaft. This may be the only one that I bored the wrong size, butI wanted to be sure, before anyone did damage to a set of blanks. If you would, could you please check the dimensions ofeach cutter and see if any of them are not bored properly.If you take a caliper and measure the cutter head opening, thenmeasure the other end. The measurement at the backend, shouldbe around .015in. larger than the cutter head ID. If you find any of your cutters have been bored too small, you can do one of two things. You can either send the cutter backto me and I will rebore it to the right dimension or you can put it into your lathe and drill or ream it to get the right dimension. You want a difference of around .015in. or more. This will help keep the cutter from binding on the cane, as the cane heats up fromcutting. Another idea too, if you seem to get any binding, whenbacking the cutter off the cane. This may help. Once you have made your cut up to your mark, stop the lathe and then back the cutteroff the cane. One of the guys told me that's how he has beendoing it. Although, if the cutter has the proper clearance, itshouldn't bind. Sorry for taking up anyone's timewith this, but I didn't know how else to let the guys know andI didn't want anyone to damage a set of blanks. Thanks Guys, Dave LeClair http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Fri Jan 19 23:09:24 2001 (may be forged)) f0K59Ne08801 "'RODMAKERS'" Subject: RE: competition That's the truth. It even got mine up a bit. The idea that people who can'tspend $1000 on a fishing pole are too dull to realize what they'remissing....it's enough to give elitism a bad name. Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: competition Heavens, I hope Ackland doesn't read that! His blood pressure would start tolook like his telephone number. Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: competition Wow, for some reason I had always thought of this craft as sort ofimmunetothe threat of import knockoffs... Having said that, I guess I am not too concerned about their product.Bamboo rods are kind of an eclectic piece of equipment, and for mostpeopleare an acquired taste. There are so many people who took up fly fishingduring the "Sage Era" that they have very little sense of subtlety orfinesse. It seems like the people who actually look for a good bamboo rodare more likely to pay more for a rod and are going to look for them fromwell known sources if they don't have a friend in the business. Besides, people who fish with bamboo are not the kind of people who makepurchases because an item is "cheaper" or "less expensive" than analternative. Face it, bamboo rods are expensive. Time consuming for thebuilder and pricey for the purchaser. So, who would even look for, letalone consider, buying a bamboo rod because it is cheap? Those who areinterested in cheaper equipment are looking for graphite and probablydon'tappreciate the feel and qualities of a bamboo rod. I hope that doesn't sound too elitist? Jason Swan From: "Ian Kearney" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:28 +1300 Subject: competition Guys , Those of you that are interested in the commercial production of canerodsmight like to look at the Chinese rodmakers site onhttp://bamboofishing.yeah.net . These rods look quite nice , and at $250to$270 (US) will have a good market. Even the graphite producers might tremble ? Ian K from piscator@macatawa.org Sat Jan 20 08:42:00 2001 f0KEfxe14297 ,"'RODMAKERS'" Subject: Re: competition The market will figure it out. A Montague by any other name. . . . A bigger worry to me is that the imports will be buggy whips and furtherperpetuate the myth of the wimpiness of bamboo flyrods. If they CAN make a decent rod for that much money then we all have to workharder to differintiate. Remember that competition is healthy and normal,not evil. Brian from nobler@satx.rr.com Sat Jan 20 09:13:40 2001 f0KFDde14749 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:02:17 -0600 ,"'RODMAKERS'" Subject: Re: Virus again Apparently Yoli (?) has picked up the virus too, as I had a number ofmessages carrying the exe mess again.GMA from zimmer@adams.net Sat Jan 20 09:29:43 2001 f0KFTee15015 Subject: RE: yoli virus This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C082C4.85841280 This one looks like it may be purposeful, and if so, may the sender be =visited by pestilence. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C082C4.85841280 This one looks like it may be purposeful, and if so, may = be visited by pestilence. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C082C4.85841280-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Sat Jan 20 09:34:37 2001 f0KFYae15223 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:23:23 -0600 Subject: Re: yoli virus This one was on guide spacing, but the attachment title was "exe navidad" !A real no-no !GMA from caneman@clnk.com Sat Jan 20 09:46:27 2001 f0KFkQe15577 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:46:37 -0600 Subject: Re: yoli virus This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0776_01C082C5.973D0260 Randy, George, and all,I didn't receive this one, so it could be an intentional targetted =thing. If it came through rodmakers, I sure didn't get it, and I'm = George, well, those trout waters are about 60 miles out of my back =door, but close enough. If it's any consolation, it's the Lower =Illinois River and not the greatest fishery in the south! One of those =that I don't even take a camera to, cause I don't expect anything of =note. Later,Bob -----Original Message-----From: Randy Zimmerman Date: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:30 AMSubject: RE: yoli virus This one looks like it may be purposeful, and if so, may the sender =be visited by pestilence. ------=_NextPart_000_0776_01C082C5.973D0260 Randy, George, andall, receive = I sure didn't get it, and I'm getting your posts to rodmakers this = = any consolation, it's the Lower Illinois River and not the greatest = expect anything of note. Later,Bob -----Original = Rodmakers <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:30 AMSubject: RE: virusThis one looks like it may be purposeful, and if so, = sender be visited by =pestilence. ------=_NextPart_000_0776_01C082C5.973D0260-- from anglport@con2.com Sat Jan 20 09:47:48 2001 f0KFlle15712 "Rodmakers" Subject: Re: yoli virus Yeah, George,And there seems to be a new incarnation of the Melissa virus (Melissa-X)which has the anti-virus guys running around updating their stuff. If youhaven't done it recently you'd better do it soon. I saw at ZDNet that onlyMcAfee and (I think) Norton HAVE fixes for it currently. I have the McAfee,so I didn't pay muc attention to the other guy.The info was at: http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?76561:1717842 Good luck all,Art At 09:41 AM 01/20/2001 -0600, nobler wrote:This one was on guide spacing, but the attachment title was "exe navidad" !A real no-no !GMA from flytyr@southshore.com Sat Jan 20 09:48:22 2001 f0KFmKe15841 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:48:36 -0600 Subject: Re: competition Brian,Can you contact me off list. The last three messages to you have bounced.Theabove address is what I have. Need some info from you.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Brian Creek wrote: The market will figure it out. A Montague by any other name. . . . Brian from HomeyDKlown@att.net Sat Jan 20 10:11:16 2001 f0KGBFe16407 mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net +0000 Subject: Crooked Reel Seats, The conclusion. Well, I took on the job of removing that crooked reel seat this morning. Imanaged to get the hardware off the seat using my heat gun. After thatI started heating the wood filler. After about 1/2 hour the fillerwould turn on the blank but I couldn't remove it, probably because itwas such a tight fit in the first place. I guess this is OK because allI really wanted to do was line it up with the correct flat. What Ilater realized was that the filler wasn't spinning over the blank,rather that the blank was actually twisting under the filler. Again,that was fine with me because I reached my goal of alignment. The Down side: I left the heat gun on one spot for just a little toolong and the wood started to scorch ever so slightly. It doesn't looklike a burn but it is noticeably darker, almost like an uneven stainjob. I "evened" the color out a bit by heating the rest of the filler alittle more, giving it a dark chestnut finish. All in all, it lookspretty good! Thanks to everyone for the advice and insight. Dennis from tfbinn@mindspring.com Sat Jan 20 10:53:02 2001 f0KGr1e17322 Subject: Urethane Bond This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C082D7.960D2FC0 I've almost used up my last tube of that marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue = cork handles and reel seats. Much better IMHO than epoxy or anything =else I've tried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, but I seem to =remember several posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a =source? As an alternative does anyone use a more readily available =woodworkers urethane glue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats? ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C082D7.960D2FC0 = marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue by Dow-Corning. This stuff has been the = adhesive for attaching cork handles and reel seats. Much better IMHO = or anything else I've tried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, = to remember several posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a = As an alternative does anyone use a more readily available woodworkers = glue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats?Winston ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C082D7.960D2FC0-- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sat Jan 20 11:41:06 2001 f0KHf5e18403 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:39:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond --=====================_19057336==_.ALT I use a lot of Gorilla Glue for blanks, but not for grips and reel seats. I have had it foam out on me too many times. It works, but it is too much maintenance for me. I use Tite Bond II for the corks and epoxy for the seats.Best regards,Bob At 11:53 AM 1/20/2001 -0500, Trish & Winston Binney wrote:I've almost used up my last tube of that marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue by Dow- Corning. This stuff has been the greatest adhesive for attaching cork handles and reel seats. Much better IMHO than epoxy or anything else I've tried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, but I seem to remember several posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a source? As an alternative does anyone use a more readily available woodworkers urethane glue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats?Winston Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_19057336==_.ALT I use a lot of Gorilla Glue for blanks, but not for grips and reel seats.I have had it foam out on me too many times. It works, but it is too muchmaintenance for me. I use Tite Bond II for the corks and epoxy for theseats.Best regards,Bob At 11:53 AM 1/20/2001 -0500, Trish & Winston Binney wrote:I've almost used upmy last tube of that marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue byDow-Corning. This stuff has been the greatest adhesive for attaching corkhandles and reel seats. Much better IMHO than epoxy or anything else I'vetried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, but I seem to rememberseveral posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a source? As analternative does anyone use a more readily available woodworkers urethaneglue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats?Winston Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_19057336==_.ALT-- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sat Jan 20 11:42:13 2001 f0KHgCe18518 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:41:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond --=====================_19124156==_.ALT The Gorilla Glue can also leave some ugly grayish lines between the corkrings. At 11:53 AM 1/20/2001 -0500, Trish & Winston Binney wrote:I've almost used up my last tube of that marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue by Dow- Corning. This stuff has been the greatest adhesive for attaching cork handles and reel seats. Much better IMHO than epoxy or anything else I've tried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, but I seem to remember several posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a source? As an alternative does anyone use a more readily available woodworkers urethane glue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats?Winston Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_19124156==_.ALT The Gorilla Glue can also leave some ugly grayish lines between the corkrings. At 11:53 AM 1/20/2001 -0500, Trish & Winston Binney wrote:I've almost used upmy last tube of that marvelous "Urethane Bond" glue byDow-Corning. This stuff has been the greatest adhesive for attaching corkhandles and reel seats. Much better IMHO than epoxy or anything else I'vetried. I realize that Dow no longer markets it, but I seem to rememberseveral posts about an alternative supplier. Anybody got a source? As analternative does anyone use a more readily available woodworkers urethaneglue (like Gorilla, etc) for handle & reel seats?Winston Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_19124156==_.ALT-- from castafly@gbis.com Sat Jan 20 11:54:57 2001 f0KHsue18886 JAA02318 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Basic Lathe Suggestions--Small Wood Lathes? I have spent some time looking through the archives for lathe suggestions.I see lots of good advice concerning metalworking lathes, but not much onwoodworking lathes. I am looking for a basic lathe to turn cork handles andturn ferrule stations. I don' think (at this point, at least) I will getinto ferrule making, and probably not reel seat making (but reel seats are apossibility). I want a decent lathe, but have a budget of $500 at the most, and hopefullyless. I have seen some small woodworking lathes by Grizzly and HarborFreight that look like they would work for turning handles and ferrulestations. Does anyone use a lathe like this? If so, do you have anysuggestions as to models and features you find the most useful forrodmaking? Are there any reasons to get a basic Taig lathe over a smallwoodworking lathe? The other metalworking lathe that I am considering is a Grizzly 7x12($495)-- is this lathe worth the extra money over a small woodworking or aTaig lathe? Are there any lathes I haven't mentioned that I shouldconsider? Any other advice? If someone has or knows of a good used lathe, pleasecontact me off list. Thanks! Jeff from troutchaser@home.com Sat Jan 20 11:55:39 2001 f0KHtde19006 0800 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Since we are on the Heddon topic, I was wondering if anyone hadinformation on the Heddon Model 1000? Looking for length, line weight,wrap colors and taper if anyone has it. Also does anyone have firsthand knowledge of this rod? How does it perform? Thanks,....ron Ron ElderCalgary, AB from owen@davies.mv.com Sat Jan 20 13:48:35 2001 f0KJmYe21194 Subject: Re: Basic Lathe Suggestions--Small Wood Lathes? Jeff Ferguson asked: I want a decent lathe, but have a budget of $500 at the most, andhopefullyless. I have seen some small woodworking lathes by Grizzly and HarborFreight that look like they would work for turning handles and ferrulestations. Does anyone use a lathe like this? Hi, Jeff. You might want to ask about this over at rec.crafts.woodturning .However, the answer is likely to be that either of two lathes would dobeautifully: the Jet minilathe or the Delta equivalent. The Jet has aswing of 10 inches, with 18 inches between centers; I've had one for acouple of years, used it much less than I'd like, and found it solid,reliable,and mostly convenient. The Delta is pretty much the same -- I'veforgotten the exact details -- but has the advantage of accepting add-onbed extensions in case you want to work on something longer. It hashad some pretty good reviews, and the folks at the newsgroup seemto respect it. Either can be had for $330 or less. Owen Davies from GriffinJohn@email.msn.com Sat Jan 20 15:50:05 2001 f0KLo4e23767 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:49:47 -0800 Subject: Wanted: 7' 2/2 4wt Cane Blank I'd like to buy a couple of cane blanks, about 7' 4 wt, with a modern, fastaction. If possible, I'd like one to be a trial rod, so cosmetic blems, etc are OK.The second rod blank should be top notch. Also interested in matching reelseats/inserts. Please email me off line. Tks, John-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Basic Lathe Suggestions--Small Wood Lathes? Jeff Ferguson asked: I want a decent lathe, but have a budget of $500 at the most, andhopefullyless. I have seen some small woodworking lathes by Grizzly and HarborFreight that look like they would work for turning handles and ferrulestations. Does anyone use a lathe like this? Hi, Jeff. You might want to ask about this over at rec.crafts.woodturning\.However, the answer is likely to be that either of two lathes would dobeautifully: the Jet minilathe or the Delta equivalent. The Jet has aswing of 10 inches, with 18 inches between centers; I've had one for acouple of years, used it much less than I'd like, and found it solid,reliable,and mostly convenient. The Delta is pretty much the same -- I'veforgotten the exact details -- but has the advantage of accepting add- onbed extensions in case you want to work on something longer. It hashad some pretty good reviews, and the folks at the newsgroup seemto respect it. Either can be had for $330 or less. Owen Davies from dutcher@email.msn.com Sat Jan 20 17:35:00 2001 f0KNYxe25758 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:33:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Ron, I looked up the Heddon #1000 in Michael Sinclair's book "Bamboo RodRestoration Handbook", Centennial Publications, pp. 98-99. The model name is "Rod of Rods". The reelseat is gold with walnutpyralin spacer. The grip is straight. It has an agate stripper, gold snakeguides, and the tip-top is gold. The ferrules are blued nickel-silver, handwelted, and serrated. The wraps are brown #27 and the tippings are darkbrown #30. These are the specifications for the production year 1939. There arechanges in the following years which I will be glad to forward if you wish.Unfortunately the length and line weights are not given in this referencehowever, I thought you might be interested in the above information. Regards,Dick Richard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message -----From: Ron Elder Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:52 AMSubject: Re: Heddon Rod Information and Guidance Since we are on the Heddon topic, I was wondering if anyone hadinformation on the Heddon Model 1000? Looking for length, line weight,wrap colors and taper if anyone has it. Also does anyone have firsthand knowledge of this rod? How does it perform? Thanks,....ron Ron ElderCalgary, AB from oakmere@carol.net Sat Jan 20 17:56:32 2001 f0KNuVe26233 Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Responses Hi Guys: I just got back on the network from being virused from Rodmakers with theEmannuel virus. I got rid of the exe files but it lockup my machine and Ihad to have surgery. We are back up and running now. I have just got back on the net, so when I finish reading your posts I willlet you know where I am. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sat Jan 20 18:13:39 2001 f0L0Dce26695 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:12:29 -0500 Subject: RE: Heddon Rod Responses Glad you're back, Frank. I got a few versions of the Snow White virus sent to me also. Don't know if it is list related or not, but so far I am okay. Sometimes I think of the virus warnings as a waste of time, but I read about the Snow White one about two days before I was sent it for the first time. Being a father with a Snow White fan, I may have opened it. (Granted the e- mail that it came from was hahaha@sexyfun.something?) IN case youget this one sent to you, watch out.Best regards,Bob At 07:57 PM 1/19/2001 -0500, Frank W. Paul wrote:Hi Guys: I just got back on the network from being virused from Rodmakers with theEmannuel virus. I got rid of the exe files but it lockup my machine and Ihad to have surgery. We are back up and running now. I have just got back on the net, so when I finish reading your posts I willlet you know where I am. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from rextutor@about.com Sat Jan 20 18:21:25 2001 f0L0LOe26987 (NPlex 5.1.050) 2001 16:21:10 -0800 Subject: FLy Rod Blanks I have been reading this list for a while andsee someone asking for blanks. I assume it is okay for me to ask for blanks, too ? cost ? thanksRex Sign up fora free About Email account at http://About.com from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 20 18:40:51 2001 f0L0epe27492 TAA25447; Subject: Re: Wanted: 7' 2/2 4wt Cane Blank John,Ron Kusse has available a beautiful 7' #4 quad that is a strong action. Tryronkusse.com Rich GriffinJohn wrote: I'd like to buy a couple of cane blanks, about 7' 4 wt, with a modern, fastaction. If possible, I'd like one to be a trial rod, so cosmetic blems, etc are OK.The second rod blank should be top notch. Also interested in matching reelseats/inserts. Please email me off line. Tks, John-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ----- Original Message -----From: "Owen Davies" Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 2:50 PMSubject: Re: Basic Lathe Suggestions--Small Wood Lathes? Jeff Ferguson asked: I want a decent lathe, but have a budget of $500 at the most, andhopefullyless. I have seen some small woodworking lathes by Grizzly and HarborFreight that look like they would work for turning handles and ferrulestations. Does anyone use a lathe like this? Hi, Jeff. You might want to ask about this over atrec.crafts.woodturning.However, the answer is likely to be that either of two lathes would dobeautifully: the Jet minilathe or the Delta equivalent. The Jet has aswing of 10 inches, with 18 inches between centers; I've had one for acouple of years, used it much less than I'd like, and found it solid,reliable,and mostly convenient. The Delta is pretty much the same -- I'veforgotten the exact details -- but has the advantage of accepting add- onbed extensions in case you want to work on something longer. It hashad some pretty good reviews, and the folks at the newsgroup seemto respect it. Either can be had for $330 or less. Owen Davies from oakmere@carol.net Sat Jan 20 19:30:18 2001 f0L1UIe28237 Subject: RE: Virus Infection Hi Bill and others: Harry is right it is only a blip on the things of life. It was not reallyanyone's fault except mine, since I had not updated my antivirus program my antivirus protection weekly. Anyway, there is no problem here. It really gave me a chance to upgrade W95to W98 and get my antivirus back up to snuff. Just the cost of doingbusiness with these new contraptions call personal computers. I will get back on the Heddon as I have been digging deeper. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from oakmere@carol.net Sat Jan 20 19:30:20 2001 f0L1UJe28248 Subject: RE: Heddon Responses Hi Folks: I appreciate all of your responses on the Heddon. I will pass thisinformation on to my friend and see what he wishes to do. Thanks again andI will keep you posted on what happens. One note about the rod. The tipmeasures short by about 1&1/2 inches. Best, Frank Frank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from nobler@satx.rr.com Sat Jan 20 20:51:47 2001 f0L2pke29552 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:40:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Urethane Bond I've been using Elmer's ProBond, to even repair separated sections, and itdoes one heck of a job. Most DIY stores have it.GMA from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 20 21:00:35 2001 f0L30Ye29854 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:00:23 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: FLy Rod Blanks --------------8117A2B8A845AB2A5D5C11BE Rex,I think most (read most) builders are a little cautious aboutselling blanks, as they never know how they will be finished (eventhough it might just end up a better finished product than the buildercould have done in some cases....myself not excluded). It takes a giantleap of faith to put out a blank to a stranger knowing full well thatyour reputation is at stake even though you didn't build the rod in it'sentirety if they turn it into a piece of crap. I have been approachednumerous times to sell a blank and have wrestled with the idea manysleepless nights. Pay the bills or maintain integrity???? Luckily mostof these guys were graphite prone and didn't want to pay the price so itmade my decision easy, someday however I know I'll be forced with adecision ;^0 I find this craft is full of moral dilemmas, I chosewrong once and regret it to this day.Some very reputable, capable builders will however sell you one oftheir blanks.Hope thisdoesn't offend anyone, Shawn Rex Tutor wrote: I have been reading this list for a while and seesomeone asking forblanks. I assume it is okay for me to ask forblanks, too ?I am interested in wrapping rods and can't makebamboo cause I don'thave the equipment. What does a 6 foot , 7 and7.5 foot blankcost ?thanksRex Sign up for a free About Email account athttp://About.com --------------8117A2B8A845AB2A5D5C11BE Rex, builders are a little cautious about selling blanks, as they never knowhow they will be finished (even though it might just end up a better finishedproduct than the builder could have done in some cases....myself notexcluded).It takes a giant leap of faith to put out a blank to a stranger knowingfull well that your reputation is at stake even though you didn't buildthe rod in it's entirety if they turn it into a piece of crap. I have beenapproached numerous times to sell a blank and have wrestled with the ideamany sleepless nights. Pay the bills or maintain integrity???? Luckilymost of these guys were graphite prone and didn't want to pay the priceso it made my decision easy, someday however I know I'll be forced with I chose wrong once and regret it to this day. will however sell you one of their blanks. Hope this doesn't offend anyone, Shawn Rex Tutor wrote: I have been reading this list for a while and see someoneasking forblanks. I assume it is okay for me to ask for blanks, too ? causeI don't foot blankcost ?thanksRex Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com --------------8117A2B8A845AB2A5D5C11BE-- from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 20 21:02:33 2001 f0L32We00042 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:02:28 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: FLy Rod Blanks --------------076B9787A74175D4BFFC8252 Sorry,my last message should have said John, Rex, and all. Shawn Rex Tutor wrote: I have been reading this list for a while and seesomeone asking forblanks. I assume it is okay for me to ask forblanks, too ?I am interested in wrapping rods and can't makebamboo cause I don'thave the equipment. What does a 6 foot , 7 and7.5 foot blankcost ?thanksRex Sign up for a free About Email account athttp://About.com --------------076B9787A74175D4BFFC8252 Sorry, shouldhave said John, Rex, and all. ShawnRex Tutor wrote: I have been reading this list for a while and see someoneasking forblanks. I assume it is okay for me to ask for blanks, too ? causeI don't foot blankcost ?thanksRex Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com --------------076B9787A74175D4BFFC8252-- from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 20 21:46:52 2001 f0L3kpe01234 jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca(Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: help, computer stuff List,I recently re formatted my computer and now when I send stuff tothe list I can't see what I typed when it comes back from the list and Igot some strange responses. Can anyone out there read this???? Pleasesend me a response if you can, I am feeling detached :^(ShawnSorry for the bandwidth. from GriffinJohn@email.msn.com Sat Jan 20 22:24:07 2001 f0L4O6e01941 Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:23:46 -0800 Subject: Blank Relections... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C08338.C03CEF40 About the ethical nature of blanks... I was intrigued by Shawn's email. Personally, I have ordered and =finished myself the very finest custom furniture; I prefer suits finish =tailored locally; I make RC airplane structures for others to finish to =their taste. The best bicycle I ever had by far was one I built for =myself from a custom frame. In the way of fishing tackle, I have finished fly rods from blanks for =years- starting with a fiberglass Fenwick TU kit in the late 70's, and =through Scott, Sage, Fisher, Orvis and many others today. And this is =certainly not to save money! To the contrary, its like tying flies, =making your own landing net, rigging your own leaders. It ties you to =the sport through the effort and learning involved, and provides insight =and appreciation for the craftsmanship of others. A fine cane flyrod is =far more than just a consumer product. Any idiot can write a check, as = The vitality of craft guilds such as that of contemporary cane rodmakers =can only benefit from increased exposure to the true enthusiast core of =the flyfishing sport. To many, cane rods today are for eccentrics and =collectors, not really for fishing. Providing an expanded opportunity = rod can only help the sport, and the rodmakers guild. Doing so will =guaranty a loyal following beyond today, and beyond today's techno =graphite consumerism. John -----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 1