combo, I would definitely choose the later pair- Now that I have a mill in =my shop I can't imagine not having it- I have used it extensively to build =other tools, parts and attachments associated with rod building- I use it =as a rough milling machine for cain with a simple attachment that was =built using the same mill- I have made other attachments for slitting =ferrule ends and for milling inserts- I use it to resurface and mill =recess channels into hand planes- I have even made a scraper plane and a =few simple reels- You will find mucho many uses- One of the nice aspects =of owning a mill is the speed of setting up the attachments- I make them =so they simply secure in a machine vice attached to the mills table- the =cutting bits are a quick change as well with the R-8 collets- I like to =leave my lathe set up with the M-5 collets- The more uses I find for the =mill the fewer changes from collets to chuck on the lathe- Also a very =nice feature to look for in a mill is variable speed control- The choice =is yours- good luckJim H. Bob-Here are a few considerations regarding vertical = First, I agree with Dave about the lathe being a = versatile tool- You can set them up to do many (but not all) jobs just as = or better than a mill- Another consideration about a mill includes the = they eat up in your shop- The table slides in and out, side to side and up = down- you need enough room to move yourself around it safely when its = = anticipated- Do yourself a favor and measure this out before you haul one = On the other hand, because I can also use it as a regular drill press, I = and thus removed two of three existing drill presses- this not only made = room for the mill but also helped offset the cost- Also consider the = requirements- I had to wire in 240 volts and build a phase inverter for = They can be very messy as well- far more than a lathe- They tend to = cuttings great distances in all directions- Many times I will use a piece = sheet metal or ply-wood as a shield- They are not cheap either- my guess = pound for pound about the same as a lathe and there is special tooling = or a lathe/mill combo, I would definitely choose the later pair- Now that = a mill in my shop I can't imagine not having it- I have used it extensively= build other tools, parts and attachments associated with rod building- I = = ends and for milling inserts- I use it to resurface and mill recess = You will find mucho many uses- One of the nice aspects of owning a mill is = speed of setting up the attachments- I make them so they simply secure = change as well with the R-8 collets- I like to leave my lathe set up with = M-5 collets- The more uses I find for the mill the fewer changes from = variable speed control- The choice is yours- good luckJim H. from pumpkin10@prodigy.net Thu Apr 12 19:00:45 2001 f3D00iS02960 f3D00jw88628;Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:00:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Bizarre doodad on ebay... A H-I Bamboo Splitter DarrellI looked at it for ten min. have no idea of how it works, no bidsmust not be worth $99.95 no bids, Have to stay off Ebay end up with twomanythings dont need, Like a 16 Ft. montague 4pc. two hand fly rod, still newMontague lable oncork reads 1CLB Clipper16 ft. 4 joints, Have any use for it I will trade Also amozon auc just got a South Bend 51 9ft. 2/2 HCH two raps bad, baga 10, tube 8, like to trade it for some thing i will use also,But it is great fun Thanks Tony Larson ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Bizarre doodad on ebay... A H-I Bamboo Splitter Anybody know how this thing a ma jig works? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1131844730 I can't figure it out... No financial interest... just curious... Darrellwww.vfish.net from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Thu Apr 12 19:19:21 2001 f3D0JJS03577 Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:19:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Bizarre doodad on ebay... A H-I Bamboo Splitter I should mention that I got a splitter from Hida (8 way) and it is great. I split the strips out and then I flame them. It takes one run down each strip, and there are no burnt edges or damage. Then for quads, I split into 2s, for hexes 3s. Very nice even strips come out, and the flaming technique is much better than rotating the torch over half a culm. IMHO, my flaming is now more evenly toned.Best regards,Bob At 07:49 PM 4/12/2001 -0500, DARLENE URBANSKI wrote:DarrellI looked at it for ten min. have no idea of how it works, no bidsmust not be worth $99.95 no bids, Have to stay off Ebay end up with twomanythings dont need, Like a 16 Ft. montague 4pc. two hand fly rod, still newMontague lable oncork reads 1CLB Clipper16 ft. 4 joints, Have any use for it I will trade Also amozon auc just got a South Bend 51 9ft. 2/2 HCH two raps bad,baga 10, tube 8, like to trade it for some thing i will use also,But it is great fun Thanks Tony Larson ----- Original Message -----From: Darrell Lee Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 5:12 PMSubject: Bizarre doodad on ebay... A H-I Bamboo Splitter Anybody know how this thing a ma jig works? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1131844730 I can't figure it out... No financial interest... just curious... Darrellwww.vfish.net Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from jczimny@dol.net Thu Apr 12 19:20:24 2001 f3D0KNS03726 Organization: J. C. Zimny Rod Company Subject: Re: Man-O-War Spar Varnish Yes. Thinning this mixture to any extent would totally negate the UVinhibitors and bring the mixture into uncopliance with VOC regs.JohnZ Christopher McDowell wrote: I bought a new can of the Man-O-War Spar Varnish, red label gloss. I noticethe instructions say "Do not thin". Is there a valid reason for this or is it anenvironmental preference not to introduce thinners? Are those of you whoare using this product thinning it regardless or do you find the viscosity tobe good right out of the can? Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 12 20:44:05 2001 f3D1i3S06012 Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:43:23 -0300 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Bizarre doodad on ebay... A H-I Bamboo Splitter --------------28BBB372FD07E0A93D71F925 Darrell and all,My guess would be that the rig is for splitting strips intosmaller strips. If you look at the two cams(which I thought at first, werebettersuited for straightening than splitting) one sticks out further than theother. Itlooks like the distance from the bar to the face of the first lobe and thedistancebetween the first lobe face to the second lobe face are equidistant. Seemsthat itwould work with sort of a shearing action? I think I actually understand how itworksbut I'm not sure if I'm explaining it properly. I'm a little foggy as it has been avery LONG busy 18 hour day and I'm still on duty for the next 96 hours! Niteall.(hopefully)Shawn (=^0) ZzZzZzZ .................... Darrell Lee wrote: Anybody know how this thing a ma jig works? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1131844730 I can't figure it out... No financial interest... just curious... Darrellwww.vfish.net --------------28BBB372FD07E0A93D71F925 Darrell and all, My guess would be that the rig is for splitting strips into smaller strips.If you look at the two cams(which I thought at first, were better suited other. It looks like the distance from the bar to the face of the firstlobe and the distance between the first lobe face to the second lobe face action? I think I actually understand how it works but I'm not sure ifI'm explaining it properly. I'm a little foggy as it has been a very LONGbusy 18 hour day and I'm still on duty for the next 96 hours! Niteall.(hopefully) (=^0)ZzZzZzZ ....................Darrell Lee wrote:Anybody know how this thing a ma jig works?http://cgi.ebay.com/aw- cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1131844730I can't figure it out...No financial interest... just curious...Darrellwww.vfish.net --------------28BBB372FD07E0A93D71F925-- from bjust@bellsouth.net Thu Apr 12 20:45:47 2001 f3D1jkS06269 Subject: Re: Buying NS rings Custom Tackle in Tennessee sells Struble rings and caps for the bestprices I have found. http://www.customtackle.com/ Brian Justiss from dutcher@email.msn.com Thu Apr 12 20:57:47 2001 f3D1vkS06844 Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:57:45 -0700 Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:57:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Bizarre doodad on ebay... A H-I Bamboo Splitter FILETIME=[1FC8EA30:01C0C3BD] Hi Darrell, Why not send him an e-mail and see if he knows how to use it. This guyhas over seventeen hundred kills on eBay and his nickname is fivegees. Ican't believe he is starting at $99.95, I'll bet he knows something and it'snot cane splitters. On the other hand, maybe he does. Regards,Dick Richard R. Dutcherdutcher@msn.com ----- Original Message -----From: Darrell Lee Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:12 PMSubject: Bizarre doodad on ebay... A H-I Bamboo Splitter Anybody know how this thing a ma jig works? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1131844730 I can't figure it out... No financial interest... just curious... Darrellwww.vfish.net from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 12 21:02:50 2001 f3D22nS07138 Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:02:09 -0300 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: --------------FB791B1847D4427BB110F6A9 Bill,Russ at golden witch sells them, they are Payne replicas and they can befoundunder the "specialty seats" section. Here's the link.....http://www.goldenwitch.com/cgi- bin/shop/index.cgi?page=specialt.htm&cart_id=4238850_7330&partner=gw Shawn Bill Walters wrote: I was wondering if anyone sells the open screw-lock,downlocking, wood insert reelseats anymore or ifanyone has any of the older ones they would be willingto part with? To see what I mean go tohttp://cgi.ebay.com/aw- cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1132684350(the last photo shows a good view of the reelseat). Ido not have any financial interests in this deal andit is being presented purely as an example of what I'mtalking about. Thanks,Bill Walters __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------FB791B1847D4427BB110F6A9 Bill, them,they are Payne replicas and they can be found under the "specialty seats"section. Here's the link.....http://www.goldenwitch.com/cgi- bin/shop/index.cgi?page=specialt.htm&cart_id=4238850_7330&partner=gw Shawn Bill Walters wrote:I was wondering if anyone sells the open screw- lock,downlocking, wood insert reelseats anymore or ifanyone has any of the older ones they would be willingto part with? To see what I mean go tohttp://cgi.ebay.com/aw- cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1132684350 do not have any financial interests in this deal andit is being presented purely as an example of what I'mtalking about.Thanks,Bill Walters__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------FB791B1847D4427BB110F6A9-- from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Thu Apr 12 21:21:41 2001 f3D2LeS07681 Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:21:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Bizarre doodad on ebay... A H-I Bamboo Splitter Okay. The two disks are at two different levels. The outside disk touches the table with the saw, and the upper disk holds down the curved upper portion of the cane as you feed it through the blade eliminating any tendency to jump up. The middle picture is upside down. It's not really a splitter, but a tool for sawing strips. There's no way HI hand split their cane. They sawed it, I bet.What do you think?Bob Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Thu Apr 12 21:43:11 2001 f3D2hAS08208 Subject: Re: Bizarre doodad on ebay. I thought it looked like something you'd lean up against the shop door to keep the breeze from blowing it shut ! I think Bob's idea is more realistice now that he brought it up :-)Jim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from flyfish@defnet.com Thu Apr 12 21:59:06 2001 f3D2x4S08719 Subject: Re: bizarre doodad on ebay I think you got it right.I came to the same conclusion as you did.I think the cams act like a shear when the larger one is put underneath =the bamboo as a support an then the smaller one is put on top of the =cane. A downward force would then be applied and since the shorter one =appears to be about a quarter of an inch long it would shear a strip =that size.Also the handle(if that's what it is) is off set so you would notbust your knuckles on the cane if it slipped. As for the hole in the = Tony Miller Shawn I think you got it right.I came to the same conclusion as did.I think the cams act like a shear = one is put on top of the cane. A downward force would then be applied = the shorter one appears to be about a quarter of an inch long it would = strip that size.Also the handle(if that's what it is) = you would notbust your knuckles on the cane if it = up when your done with it LOL. = Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/= from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 22:20:10 2001 f3D3K9S09295 2001 20:20:12 PDT Subject: Re: Bizarre doodad on ebay. i vote for a beer bottle opener. timothy :-) --- Jim Flinchbaugh wrote: I thought it looked like something you'd lean upagainst the shop door to keep the breeze from blowing it shut ! I think Bob's idea is more realistice now that hebrought it up :-)Jim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" "Here comes that dreamer!" they said to each other. "Come now, let's killhim....then we'll see what comes of his dreams." - Gen 37:19 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Apr 13 00:31:28 2001 f3D5VQS12236 Subject: Survivor Hey, I've got an idea. Lets rename this list SURVIVOR or NAME THAT ANTICHRIST or some other catchy title.The rules are simple: Disable your delete key AND you MUST read every message then you mustcomment before thinking.If you dislike a message and or the person and or the thread nuke him onthe list.Everybody else quickly align with which ever protagonists you decide isbest and flame away.Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback and continue, Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback and continue, Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback and continue, Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback and continue, Join the ends and create an endless loop, whew got out of it.Hang in there saying goodby to all the listers who just want to make rodsand keep in contact with like minded people while making the views on thelist narrow enough until there remain only McRod makers.Remeber the golden rule. SHOOT from THE HIP.Survive long enough until you are the only remaining lister happy with theknowlage that while this list can never find the answer to the perfect rodlet alone the cure to cancer or the answer to peace and good will to allmen you are a rodmaker damn it! AND the last one standing. This allows youto wear a T shirt saying "Back off, I'm a RODMAKER!" It's the nature of any collection of people that punch ups happen andpersonally I think that's ok within reason and on list if it gets out ofhand it's worth sending a rocket (off list) to the people to quite thingsdown but leaving doesn't really help. I mean if you're getting pissed offsay so then delete all the BS, there are plenty of other people on the listwaiting for reality to catch up too. I know there are some really nice blokes no longer on list who I for onewish still were. The ebbs and flow of the list are like anything organic and it's beenebbing for a while now but it'll turn around. It's just a game guys, even if it is a serious game it's still just a game.There are more people on this earth than not living in cardboard boxes ifthey're lucky who just to survive for real would kill for the price of thecontents of a your average dip tube. /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you love a thing let it go,If it returns it's yours,If it doesn't, hunt it down and kill it. /**************************************************************************/ from martinj@aa.net Fri Apr 13 00:55:20 2001 f3D5tJS12818 Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:55:20 -0700 Subject: RE: Survivor I was bounced off the list for a couple of days. Did I miss something? suresounds like it.... Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- Subject: Survivor Hey, I've got an idea. Lets rename this list SURVIVOR or NAME THAT ANTICHRIST or some other catchy title.The rules are simple:Disable your delete key AND you MUST read every message then you mustcomment before thinking.If you dislike a message and or the person and or the thread nuke him onthe list.Everybody else quickly align with which ever protagonists you decide isbest and flame away.Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop, whew got out of it.Hang in there saying goodby to all the listers who just want to make rodsand keep in contact with like minded people while making the views on thelist narrow enough until there remain only McRod makers.Remeber the golden rule. SHOOT from THE HIP.Survive long enough until you are the only remaining lister happy with theknowlage that while this list can never find the answer to the perfect rodlet alone the cure to cancer or the answer to peace and good will to allmen you are a rodmaker damn it! AND the last one standing. This allows youto wear a T shirt saying "Back off, I'm a RODMAKER!" It's the nature of any collection of people that punch ups happen andpersonally I think that's ok within reason and on list if it gets out ofhand it's worth sending a rocket (off list) to the people to quite thingsdown but leaving doesn't really help. I mean if you're getting pissed offsay so then delete all the BS, there are plenty of other people on the listwaiting for reality to catch up too.I know there are some really nice blokes no longer on list who I for onewish still were.The ebbs and flow of the list are like anything organic and it's beenebbing for a while now but it'll turn around. It's just a game guys, even if it is a serious game it's still just a game.There are more people on this earth than not living in cardboard boxes ifthey're lucky who just to survive for real would kill for the price of thecontents of a your average dip tube./**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you love a thing let it go,If it returns it's yours,If it doesn't, hunt it down and kill it. /**************************************************************************/ from castafly63@home.com Fri Apr 13 00:58:42 2001 f3D5wfS13024 0700User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Dickerson 801510 Taper Anyone? Does anyone have the taper for a Dickerson 801510 (8' 3/2 5wt)? I amreadyto begin final planing on my first rod, and I think this is the taper Iwould like to make. (of course, I keep changing my mind weekly) Thanks inadvance. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Apr 13 01:09:54 2001 f3D69rS13605 Subject: Re: Downlocking reelseats rodmakers Sorry to mention this on list because it's comercial but as it's notactually intended as advertising I guess it might be ok. Sorry if I offendor break the rules.I've removed the link to my reel seats on my page because I'm pretty busywith office work (read mortgage fodder) and current orders mainly offerrules which I'm very, very grateful for and are what I'm concentrating on.I need to come up with a more effecient way of making reel seats becausethey take too long to make when I'm busy with other things as I am just nowwhich puts me too far behind in sending out orders so until I can do thisI've removed the link, HOWEVER I do make them when asked, I'm just notadvertising them, being a one man band time is of the essence and I need tomaximise it.Thankyou to all interested, I do appreciate the interest. I have nointention of winding back opperations at all I just need to prioritisethings for a while. Mike, please feel free to strike this from the archives. I'd consideredasking if somebody else would make this reply on my behalf but I thought itwas a bit silly to just play games to get around the system. Tony At 03:17 PM 4/12/01 -0400, Reed Curry wrote:Bill,Tony's website presents certain navigational difficulties, just pretend it was written by an Aussie with a case of Guinness at hand. : )His reelseats are at http://members.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/avyreel.htm Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Bill Walters wrote: Reed, I just went to Tony's website and he doesn't havereelseats listed anymore, unless I'm going more blindthan usual. Bill Walters /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html Windows NT crashed.I am the Blue Screen of Death.No one hears your screams. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from petermckean@netspace.net.au Fri Apr 13 04:53:03 2001 f3D9r1S16872 f3D9r2045504 Subject: pure damned inanity, really Our ethics here are sometimes murky,Especially when we deal with Gherke;But one thing seems well worth the mention -The beggar's not worth hypertension! peter from dnorl@qwest.net Fri Apr 13 06:13:06 2001 f3DBD6S17886 0000 (63.228.45.156) Subject: Re: So Long It is not necesary to seek the truth,only to have no view.Lao Tzu-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: So Long To those that would leave this list over a few simple words. It isamazing that you would allow anyone to have that much power over yourlife. If you build for a hobby, is it not for the enjoyment it brings?If you build for a living, why be worried about someone that is a knownblowhard, or comments about same? I would venture to guess that anyoneupset enough to leave the list over what amounts to nothing more than afew words would need a break to gain some prospective on what rodbuilding (bamboo or otherwise) really means to them. In many 12 stepprograms there is an unofficial "13th step" that (at least for me) sumsup the current exodus of long time list members, "Don't take yourselftoo seriously". Just the opinion of a lurking, plastic rod building,bamboo wannabe. from dnorl@qwest.net Fri Apr 13 06:14:46 2001 f3DBEjS18010 0000 (63.228.45.156) " " Subject: Re: So long If Mr. G. is not entitled to his opinions,are we entitled to ours?-----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: So long Sorry to see you go Bruce. I just wanted to thank you for yourcontributions to the list. Your FAQ site was the first site I found a fewyears ago and got me started down this road. It convinced me that I coulddo this if I tried. For that I thank you. On another note.Did anybody but me notice that Mr. G subscribed, sent his message andthenunsubscribed. He didn't even see any of the commotion that followed. ....ron On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:29:30 -0400, bconner@mediaone.net wrote: Well, the fun has gone out of the list again and I don't intend to raisemy blood pressure over it. It's always sad that a few ruin it for themany. With that said, I take my leave. Bruce Conner _______________________________________________________Get 100% FREE email for life from Excite CanadaVisit http://mail.excite.ca from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Fri Apr 13 06:59:41 2001 f3DBxeS18753 Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:59:43 -0400 Subject: Re: bizarre doodad on ebay A couple things strike me as odd about this tool. One, it doesn't seem =to show any wear. The finish on the tool is consistent everywhere on =the tool. I would think sliding bamboo through it you would see certain =areas that would appear rubbed. The second thing that seems odd is that it has HI's name one it and the =name of the tool. If HI used this in their shop would they have placed =their name and purpose on the tool? Now if it was something that HI was =offering for sale, then by all means they would label the tool. Considering the above I wonder if this tool was meant to be sold to =others? Nothing like a good mystery ;^)Tim A couple things strike me as odd about= it you would see certain areas that would appear rubbed. The second thing that seems odd isthat = label the tool. Considering the above I wonder if this = meant to be sold to others? Nothing like a good mystery =;^)Tim from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Fri Apr 13 07:06:43 2001 f3DC6gS19028 Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:06:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Dickerson 801510 Taper Anyone? The 2 pc. 8014 or the 8015 Guide Special from Howells book, also on the archives, might be a better choice since it would be less pieces to make up. 8015 is a fantastic heavy rod, and the lack of delicate tips would make it a good choice. I finally made mine this last year and it is a cannon. Let me know if you cannot locate the tapers.Changing your mind is a normal rod maker glitch.Bob At 10:59 PM 4/12/2001 -0700, Jeff Ferguson wrote:Does anyone have the taper for a Dickerson 801510 (8' 3/2 5wt)? I amreadyto begin final planing on my first rod, and I think this is the taper Iwould like to make. (of course, I keep changing my mind weekly) Thanks inadvance. Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from flyfish@defnet.com Fri Apr 13 08:41:55 2001 f3DDfrS21431 Subject: Re: Survivor Tony You have a very good sense of humor.guys don't walk on egg shellsIf I or anyone else made you feel that way, once againmy apologies.It's funny how life works, since the George thread has started I have =received more emails (people interested in my rods) than ever. I'm being =serious on that too.Now, Maybe I understand why George did what he did.Any way If I show up to a gathering are you guys gonnacome at me with culms of bamboo? LOLThat was a joke. LOL I'm not as bad in person.All in funTony Miller TonyI laughed alot on that. humor.guys don't walk on egg =shellsIf I or anyone else made you feel that = againmy apologies.It's funny how life works, since the = has started I have received more emails (people interested in my rods) = ever. I'm being serious on that too. George = did.Any way If I show up to a gathering are= gonnacome at me with culms of bamboo? =LOL person.All in funTony Miller from flyfish@defnet.com Fri Apr 13 10:02:12 2001 f3DF2BS23978 Subject: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench My wife asked me to do something for her in the kitchen today and it was =a small task(similar to opening a jar)then she starts saying " that's great, you the man" And I said to her man I can't believe it.I show her a rod I've been working on and completed.And she looks at it and says Ah huh and walks away.Just had to tell that short story.BTW I'm just finishing up Kathy Scotts Book( Moose in the water ,bamboo = Its a great book I really enjoyed it.Michael Miling's Drawings are great too.I have a ,signed by both addition, that is sure to becomea classicTony Miller My wife asked me to do something for = kitchen today and it was a small task(similar to opening a =jar)then she starts saying " that's great, = man"and getting all excited about it. = it. = completed. away. BTW I'm just finishing up Kathy Scotts= Its a great book I really enjoyed =it. too.I have a ,signed by both addition, that = becomea classicTony Millerwww.homestead.com/= from ttalsma@macatawa.org Fri Apr 13 10:21:04 2001 f3DFL3S24831 Subject: Re: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench Yep, I've had that before. Seems to be a common thing, I'd say. Mywife didn't know why I enjoyed fishing so much until I took her toCanada once. She still talks about how relaxing that was and it wasover 10 years ago. Tony Miller wrote: My wife asked me to do something for her in the kitchen today and itwas a small task(similar to opening a jar)then she starts saying " that's great, you the man"and getting all excited about it.And I said to her man I can't believe it.I show her a rod I've been working on and completed.And she looks at it and says Ah huh and walks away.Just had to tell that short story.BTW I'm just finishing up Kathy Scotts Book( Moose in the water,bamboo on the bench)Its a great book I really enjoyed it.Michael Miling's Drawings are great too.I have a ,signed by both addition, that is sure to becomea classicTony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html -- Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://ttalsma.bizland.com/home page: http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/index.htmgenealogy pages:http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/family/index.htm from teekay35@interlynx.net Fri Apr 13 11:14:38 2001 f3DGEbS27564 59832BEBC Subject: Taking your wife to Canada Some one on the list spoke of taking their wife to Canada to fish and howmuch she enjoyed it. I was browsing through the Elderhostel Cataloge (forthose of us over 55) and saw a one week fly fishing course to be held atthe Crowsnest in Alberta. Cost is modest and I think I will take my wifethere. Kind of like teaching my wife to drive many years ago . . . muchless stress to have someone else do it. from flyfish@defnet.com Fri Apr 13 11:36:59 2001 f3DGawS28606 Subject: Re: Wife's wisdom BillShe loves to fly fish, but cane rod makingis just not her thing I guess LOL Tony Miller Bill makingis just not her thing I guess =LOLBest regards Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/= from stpete@netten.net Fri Apr 13 11:45:17 2001 f3DGjGS29068 Subject: At it again Well, I just returned from a six day fishing trip and the list seemsto be up to it's semi-annual purging rituals. I've been on the list along time now and it was instrumental in getting me started inrodmaking. Seems that some of the major contributors to the constantinflux of questions from beginners are the new wave of rodmakers who aretrying to make a go of selling rods. This seems appropriate as I hardlythink that the group of old-hands, now considered 'well-known'rodmakers, would be inspired to answer the same questions over and over what the beginners are going through, are well qualified and moreenthusiastic about sharing their first hand experiences at first timecane-splitting, reading a dial indicator, calibrating instruments,sharpening blades, etc. What is truly amazing is the fair number ofresponses from 'old-hands' to the beginners questions. Let's face thetruth here. The long time rodmakers, whether hobbyists, semi-pro, orpro, remain on the list for any of three reasons: 1) to keep up to dateon information about new techniques, equipment, suppliers, etc. Afterall, someone is always coming up with creative ways to skin the cat.Garrison himself would be tuned in to this list to check out theconstant innovations 2) to share new information that we havediscovered 3) to socialize and keep up with other rodmakers. Sometimeswe are very much alone in our hobby, even in big towns.Many of this group are not long time participants, but beginners.They are here to learn how to do this rodmaking thing. Most of us cameto the group this way. Thank goodness for the core group of rodmakerswho started this list years ago and were willing to take the time toteach us their skills. Some of those guys are in the background now.Lurking, but letting their electronically apprenticed students take thereins. I guess what I'm getting at here is that we should be a bit moretolerant of the new list members. They don't recall all the old bulland trouble we've been through before. They provide a service to us bykeeping the list active and the discussions going. Afterall, what wouldwe talk about after we have settled into a routine in our rodmaking.Finally, the new rodmakers are not just copying the old guys. Some ofthem will come up with truly unique ideas. Look at 'the bible' ofGarrison. Most of his techniques are considered out of date - usingtest strips to set forms, a different plane for each stage of planing,old splitting techniques, etc. Yet not long ago Garrison was consideredTHE source of modern rodmaking information. I bet he'd be considered apain in the A%$ if he were a member of the list today. Opinions arejust that. Let it go. Rick C. from piscator@macatawa.org Fri Apr 13 12:10:56 2001 f3DHAtS00145 Subject: Nets Off topic, but of good general interest, I think. Have any of you seen a good web page with instructions for making your =own landing nets? And where do you buy the net bags? This would give =me a great place to use up extra glue before it dries in the bottle! Brian Off topic, but of good = I think. Have any of you seen agood = dries in the bottle! Brian from jmpio@nhbm.com Fri Apr 13 12:13:03 2001 f3DHD2S00391 Subject: RE: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench Last weekend I finally (after 1.5 years) got around to running a water lineto our refrigerator so that we have ice and water through the door (gottasay, though, that anyone unfamiliar with technology would think it was afreaking miracle). Anyway, it was a 20 minute job to run some plastictubing from a pre-existing valve, through the crawl space, through anexisting hole in the floor to the refrigerator. This simple task won memany kudos, and a batch of fresh brownies. When I recently showed my wifemy VERY FIRST CANE ROD BLANK (yeehaaaa!), just after it came out of thestring, her only response was to say, with a look of disdain on her face"does it still need to be sanded or something?" It was the same look shehad on her face when I came running into the living room to show her myVERYFIRST DRY FLY and she said "I guess it kind of looks like a bug." -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench Yep, I've had that before. Seems to be a common thing, I'd say. Mywife didn't know why I enjoyed fishing so much until I took her toCanada once. She still talks about how relaxing that was and it wasover 10 years ago. Tony Miller wrote: My wife asked me to do something for her in the kitchen today and itwas a small task(similar to opening a jar)then she starts saying " that's great, you the man"and getting all excited about it.And I said to her man I can't believe it.I show her a rod I've been working on and completed.And she looks at it and says Ah huh and walks away.Just had to tell that short story.BTW I'm just finishing up Kathy Scotts Book( Moose in the water,bamboo on the bench)Its a great book I really enjoyed it.Michael Miling's Drawings are great too.I have a ,signed by both addition, that is sure to becomea classicTony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html -- Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://ttalsma.bizland.com/home page: http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/index.htmgenealogy pages:http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/family/index.htm from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Fri Apr 13 12:15:56 2001 f3DHFtS00671 Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:15:16 -0300 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench Well overdo for another visit EH??? Come on up the exchange rate issuper(for youanyway ;^)Shawn Todd Talsma wrote: Yep, I've had that before. Seems to be a common thing, I'd say. Mywife didn't know why I enjoyed fishing so much until I took her toCanada once. She still talks about how relaxing that was and it wasover 10 years ago. Tony Miller wrote: My wife asked me to do something for her in the kitchen today and itwas a small task(similar to opening a jar)then she starts saying " that's great, you the man"and getting all excited about it.And I said to her man I can't believe it.I show her a rod I've been working on and completed.And she looks at it and says Ah huh and walks away.Just had to tell that short story.BTW I'm just finishing up Kathy Scotts Book( Moose in the water,bamboo on the bench)Its a great book I really enjoyed it.Michael Miling's Drawings are great too.I have a ,signed by both addition, that is sure to becomea classicTony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://ttalsma.bizland.com/home page: http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/index.htmgenealogy pages:http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/family/index.htm from flyfish@defnet.com Fri Apr 13 12:18:37 2001 f3DHIaS00942 Subject: Re:Nets Cabella's has a real nice unfinished net kit for about $20.00No financial interest in Cabella'sYou might want to check them out.Let me know if you need a phone no# or address to get info.Tony Miller Brain Cabella's has a real nice unfinished = about $20.00No financial interest in =Cabella'sYou might want to check them =out.Let me know if you need a phone no# or= get info.Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/= from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Fri Apr 13 12:19:13 2001 f3DHJCS01085 Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:18:33 -0300 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Nets --------------13B667B7B27FC58DB772BD57 Brian,I don't know of any web pages but I have a good magazine article that Iripped out of a woodworking mag years ago and filed somewhere in my "oneof thesedays if I get a spare moment, to do" file. I can dig it up and scan it if you like? Shawn Brian Creek wrote: Off topic, but of good general interest, I think. Have any of you seen a goodwebpage with instructions for making your own landing nets? And where doyou buy thenet bags? This would give me a great place to use up extra glue before itdries inthe bottle! Brian --------------13B667B7B27FC58DB772BD57 Brian, knowof any web pages but I have a good magazine article that I ripped out ofa woodworking mag years ago and filed somewhere in my "one of these daysif I get a spare moment, to do" file. I can dig it up and scan it if youlike? ShawnBrian Creek wrote: Off any of you seen a good web page with instructions for making your ownlanding a great place to use up extra glue before it dries in the --------------13B667B7B27FC58DB772BD57-- from ttalsma@macatawa.org Fri Apr 13 12:19:45 2001 f3DHJjS01229 Rodmakers List Subject: Re: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench Well overdue is right! Those darn kids and other obligations alwaysseem to get in the way though. Shawn Pineo wrote: Well overdo for another visit EH??? Come on up the exchange rate issuper(for youanyway ;^)Shawn Todd Talsma wrote: Yep, I've had that before. Seems to be a common thing, I'd say. Mywife didn't know why I enjoyed fishing so much until I took her toCanada once. She still talks about how relaxing that was and it wasover 10 years ago. Tony Miller wrote: My wife asked me to do something for her in the kitchen today and itwas a small task(similar to opening a jar)then she starts saying " that's great, you the man"and getting all excited about it.And I said to her man I can't believe it.I show her a rod I've been working on and completed.And she looks at it and says Ah huh and walks away.Just had to tell that short story.BTW I'm just finishing up Kathy Scotts Book( Moose in the water,bamboo on the bench)Its a great book I really enjoyed it.Michael Miling's Drawings are great too.I have a ,signed by both addition, that is sure to becomea classicTony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://ttalsma.bizland.com/home page: http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/index.htmgenealogy pages:http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/family/index.htm -- Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://ttalsma.bizland.com/home page: http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/index.htmgenealogy pages:http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/family/index.htm from ttalsma@macatawa.org Fri Apr 13 12:22:40 2001 f3DHMeS01528 Subject: Re: Nets Brian, How about: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/canada/can33.html Also, Wood magazine just had an article about building nets as well. They actually had some suppliers for the net too! Of course I don'thave the issue at hand right now. I would think that Jann's Netcraftwould have net bags as well. Wholy Cow!!! I'm actually contributing something of value. WOW!!! Brian Creek wrote: Off topic, but of good general interest, I think. Have any of you seen a good web page with instructions for making yourown landing nets? And where do you buy the net bags? This would giveme a great place to use up extra glue before it dries in the bottle! Brian -- Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://ttalsma.bizland.com/home page: http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/index.htmgenealogy pages:http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/family/index.htm from ChristopherO@epicimaging.com Fri Apr 13 12:26:16 2001 f3DHQFS01874 (5.5.2653.19) Rodmakers Subject: RE: Nets this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. i've thought of building my own net too. the only place that i have foundso far for net bags is Cabella's flyfishing catalogue; they have three orfour sizes of the small mesh (catch and release) replacement bags. i thinkthey're around $11. if you find any other sources, let us all know. chris -----Original Message----- Subject: Nets Off topic, but of good general interest, I think. Have any of you seen a good web page with instructions for making your ownlanding nets? And where do you buy the net bags? This would give me agreat place to use up extra glue before it dries in the bottle! Brian i've far for net bags is Cabella's flyfishing catalogue; they have three or four sizes of the small mesh (catch and release) replacement bags. i think they're around $11. if you find any other sources, let us all know. chris -----Original Message-----From: Brian Creek 10:14 NetsOff topic, but of good general interest, I think. Have any of you seen a goodweb page you buy before it dries in the bottle! Brian from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 12:27:47 2001 f3DHRkS02104 2001 10:27:50 PDT Subject: Re: Nets speaking of nets, have you all seen these? the designis clever, i thot. timothy --- Brian Creek wrote:Off topic, but of good general interest, I think. Have any of you seen a good web page withinstructions for making your own landing nets? Andwhere do you buy the net bags? This would give me agreat place to use up extra glue before it dries inthe bottle! Brian ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" "Here comes that dreamer!" they said to each other. "Come now, let's killhim....then we'll see what comes of his dreams." - Gen 37:19 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 12:28:39 2001 f3DHScS02321 2001 10:28:41 PDT Subject: Re: Nets speaking of nets, have you all seen these? the designis clever, i thot. timothy oops! ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" "Here comes that dreamer!" they said to each other. "Come now, let's killhim....then we'll see what comes of his dreams." - Gen 37:19 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Fri Apr 13 12:29:04 2001 f3DHT3S02461 ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:28:56 -0400 Subject: SHerline lathes Any listmembers familiar with the CNC upgrades for the Sherline? TIA,Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from nsflyrods@ns.sympatico.ca Fri Apr 13 13:16:33 2001 f3DIGRS04402 Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:15:09 -0300 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Swelled butts. Since so many people responded to this,I'm finally getting around toanswering some of mye mails today and figured I'd attempt to explain how I did this, keep in mindthat youaren't going to be able to make a huge dramatic swell but most tapers arewell withinreach.I used large, internal hex head bolts with a large smooth shaft andthreads only atthe very end like the ones on Thomas Penrose's page to build myforms(actually I built myfirst forms from the plans on his awesome page). The reason I mention thebolts is thatis the only modification I made and because some of you out there useGarrison styleforms(push-pull bolts all on one side) and other inventions, I don't know if thismethodwill help you guys or not.The first thing I did was take my bolts for the first 4 or so stations onthe buttends and I ground a relief groove in them,the reason for this is that as youspread yourforms the bamboo strip will eventually bottom out on the bolts; the groove inthe boltgives you that little extra space you need. This may take several attemptsbefore you geta deep enough groove(determined by how gutsy you are and your taper) inthe rightspot(center of forms for the given width).The next thing to do is get some shims to put in by your pull bolts(Thesewill takethe high stress of your small push bolts), they must not stick up far enoughto hold upthe strip.set them in up to the last station aft of the swell, now tighten downthe boltsahead of the swell, this includes the station just ahead of your last shim.Youmay haveto use a LARGE C clamp to help you with this bolt. Now tighten down the lastcouple boltsbehind the swell, you will definitely require the aid of your LARGE Cclamp/vise/friend.Keep in mind that behind the sell will be turned down after to accommodate areel seatand grip anyway.Remember to split your strips larger than normal!!! THe swell gobbles upallot ofbamboo.PLEASE NOTE: Don't try this if you are worried about your forms, I don'twant to beresponsible for someone ruining their $800 forms and saying "Shawn told meto do this" .I would feel terrible! All I can say is that MY forms held up fine, but mine arehomemade and are very strong. I was desperate to try swelled butt rods and thiswas feasibleto me. Your swell is limited only by your courage and design of your forms.I've pushedmine quite far and I was happy with the results. The other option would be tobuild ashort swell form.The swelled butt rods I have built are light(or FEEL very light) and arefastaction rods, although not everyone likes the action. Un fortunately anypictures I had ofmy swells were lost when my computer dumped. The Thomas And Thomastapers are veryextreme swells and may be a bit too much for your forms. The FE Thomas 7'3 wt that Reedposted a while ago or any of the swelled FE Thomas rods) work nicely for afirst attemptor the milder Grangers, Heddons and I believe some of the Dickersons havetiny swellswhich may be a better starting point as they are less acute and smaller. Ibelieve DannyTwang modified a Sir D to have a swell?? You could experiment with Hexrodand existingtapers. Good Luck! Shawn Shawn Pineo wrote: David,it is possible to make swelled butts on your standard forms. Let meknow ifyou want me to tell you the way I do mine.Shawn "David W. Smith, Ph.D." wrote: Gang,I am looking for a used (read affordable) set of quad and/orswelled- butt forms. (Perhaps the reasonable thing to do is to buy aMorgan mill, does it dow swelled butts?) Anyone having any usedforms/mills looking to sell, please contact me off line.Thanks in advance, dws. from lblan@provide.net Fri Apr 13 13:24:33 2001 f3DIOVS04892 Subject: RE: At it again Well put, Rick. Like many things, this list is sometimes just a matter ofone's individual perspective. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: At it again Well, I just returned from a six day fishing trip and the list seemsto be up to it's semi-annual purging rituals. I've been on the list along time now and it was instrumental in getting me started inrodmaking. Seems that some of the major contributors to the constantinflux of questions from beginners are the new wave of rodmakers who aretrying to make a go of selling rods. This seems appropriate as I hardlythink that the group of old-hands, now considered 'well-known'rodmakers, would be inspired to answer the same questions over and over what the beginners are going through, are well qualified and moreenthusiastic about sharing their first hand experiences at first timecane-splitting, reading a dial indicator, calibrating instruments,sharpening blades, etc. What is truly amazing is the fair number ofresponses from 'old-hands' to the beginners questions. Let's face thetruth here. The long time rodmakers, whether hobbyists, semi-pro, orpro, remain on the list for any of three reasons: 1) to keep up to dateon information about new techniques, equipment, suppliers, etc. Afterall, someone is always coming up with creative ways to skin the cat.Garrison himself would be tuned in to this list to check out theconstant innovations 2) to share new information that we havediscovered 3) to socialize and keep up with other rodmakers. Sometimeswe are very much alone in our hobby, even in big towns.Many of this group are not long time participants, but beginners.They are here to learn how to do this rodmaking thing. Most of us cameto the group this way. Thank goodness for the core group of rodmakerswho started this list years ago and were willing to take the time toteach us their skills. Some of those guys are in the background now.Lurking, but letting their electronically apprenticed students take thereins. I guess what I'm getting at here is that we should be a bit moretolerant of the new list members. They don't recall all the old bulland trouble we've been through before. They provide a service to us bykeeping the list active and the discussions going. Afterall, what wouldwe talk about after we have settled into a routine in our rodmaking.Finally, the new rodmakers are not just copying the old guys. Some ofthem will come up with truly unique ideas. Look at 'the bible' ofGarrison. Most of his techniques are considered out of date - usingtest strips to set forms, a different plane for each stage of planing,old splitting techniques, etc. Yet not long ago Garrison was consideredTHE source of modern rodmaking information. I bet he'd be considered apain in the A%$ if he were a member of the list today. Opinions arejust that. Let it go. Rick C. from homessold@email.msn.com Fri Apr 13 14:10:52 2001 f3DJApS07260 Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:10:45 -0700 Subject: Zero Adjustment FILETIME=[715585D0:01C0C44D] I had a hard time figureing out in my mind why setting your dial caliper to.1155 and setting your dial indicator to zero worked. For those of you asdumb as me, I hope this helps.Don from atlasc1@earthlink.net Fri Apr 13 15:34:25 2001 f3DKYNS10728 NAA26380; Subject: Re: Survivor You are right Tony and it is good to see somebody who is able to take thingsin stride. This list is a fantastic, wonderful and amazing . The informationis priceless and the people are great. Sometimes people SUCK. But the someof the people and info here on the list are National Treasures withstudents listening and asking for answers. Artisit an Craftsmen have alwaybeen people of opinion and attitude that is part of the driving force oftaking a 12 foot piece of grass and turning it into a working tool of art.Maybe those who left have nothing more to say and those who stay are notyetdone . Either way I owe them a debt of gratitude for sharing their minds.The list may have more value to me because I am learning and less value tothose that have left because they have learned enough. AdamP.S. Tony I will be ordering some ferrules soon.----- Original Message --- -- Subject: Survivor Hey, I've got an idea. Lets rename this list SURVIVOR or NAME THAT ANTICHRIST or some other catchy title. from lblan@provide.net Fri Apr 13 16:04:57 2001 f3DL4uS11976 Subject: RE: Zero Adjustment Chris Bogart has a great .pdf article discussing this method. Pick the"tools" button from the menu, the article is entitled EZ Cal. There isanother file explaining the rod method of setting/checking forms too. http://www.shentel.net/canerod/HTML/ClassIndex.html Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: Zero Adjustment I had a hard time figureing out in my mind why setting your dialcaliper to.1155 and setting your dial indicator to zero worked. For those of you asdumb as me, I hope this helps.Don from oossg@vbe.com Fri Apr 13 16:28:34 2001 f3DLSXS13287 Organization: Oshkosh Office Systems Subject: Re: Bizarre doodad on ebay... A H-I Bamboo Splitter Just a guess, but could you start the split in a strip and put the twocircles in the middle, then use the handle to separate the strip intwo???Scott Darrell Lee wrote: Anybody know how this thing a ma jig works? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1131844730 I can't figure it out... No financial interest... just curious... Darrellwww.vfish.net from splitcane@home.com Fri Apr 13 17:06:49 2001 f3DM6nS14464 0700 Subject: Looks like Beer:30 on the farm... Check this one out on Ebay, It appears the seller's pants exploded justbefore this shot was taken ( first photo ) Must be Beer:30 on the farm... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1133766384 Take Care, Dave from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Fri Apr 13 18:11:05 2001 f3DNB4S15837 ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:10:41 -0400 Subject: Aligning cutters Does anyone have a Bellinger Roughing or Tapering Mill that they could give me some hints on installing new cutters. I switched over to 90* cutters tonight, and they don't seem aligned to the feeds. They are the same size as the 60* ones I took out. Thanks,Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from Grhghlndr@aol.com Fri Apr 13 18:45:02 2001 f3DNj0S16606 Subject: Worthless posts/ guys this is long RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Guys,OK I know i will get slammed for this but here goes anyway. Let me say one thing thogh first. I know some of you guys personally and some just from the list, right? OK so here is what I have to say, and please guys do not take this personally. We seem to get a lot of crap on here from time to time that would be better left unsaid. The list is set up to reply directly to the person who posts something here. All you have to do is hit the enter key and the post will go straight back to the person who did the original post. Guys, please if you need to say "Thanks" send it directly to the person who you need to thank not to the list and if you want to say "Hey great job" send it to the intended person not the list. We do not need to see things worying about GG or Terry A or anyone else who gets your goat. Let me ask you this. Is there anyone here who is not an adult? I do not think so. Yes we have lost some good guys here and for this i am truly sorry, but heck guys maybe they should have acted more mature about things instead of saying"I amtaking my ball and going home!". So guys I know this has probably offended some guys because you are going to say"Hey Bret puts jokes on the list from time to time" and yes I do but i always warn the list about it and say "DELETE" in the subject box. So guys if someone puts something on here you do not like tell them personally DO NOT tell the list, heck my finger is getting tired hitting the delete button. Guys we are all in this to learn and to help each other not to fight about trivial BS. SO PLEASE send your posts to the intende person unless it is about rod buioling. I would rather get less mail that to open something and say what the heck is this BS about now. OH and another thing if you change the subject in your post change the subject line as well. I know I as well as some of you other guys have missed stuff you would have liked to read because the subject line had one of the BS posts as a heading and you DELETED like I did. If this has pissed anyone off I can only say that I am truley sorry but we need to get back to rod building stuff. DO NOT REPLY TO THE LIST ON THIS POST IF YOYU NEED TO SAYSOMETHING TO ME SEND IT TO ME DIRECTLY. I AM A BIG BOY I CAN TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!Bret from piscator@macatawa.org Fri Apr 13 18:53:36 2001 f3DNrZS16940 Subject: Bamboo Flyrod New Issue. Hi, I just found the new issue of BBFR at a newstand in a rural village =called Brigadoon, run by a guy that looked a lot like Bing Crosby. Went =back the next day but the town was gone. I understand that they are =also being carried at the drugstore in Shangra La, Tibet. So, we got that goin' for us. 8^) Hi, drugstore in Shangra La, Tibet. So, we got that goin' us. 8^) from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Fri Apr 13 20:20:36 2001 f3E1KYS18665 ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:20:28 -0400 Subject: Aligning Cutters Hi guys:I figured out what I did wrong, I adjusted the allen screws under the cutters and the spindle shifted. I am all set now. Thanks,BobBob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from oakmere@carol.net Fri Apr 13 20:47:19 2001 f3E1lJS19278 Subject: RE: Attached Files Hi Guys: Given the recent bitching on the list about certain folks, I don't want todrag this one out. I would just like to ask that no one send large unasked rejecting such files with Eudora, but I think that such files that are notrequested should not be sent. I suggest that such files be put at somewebsite for folks to access if they wish. Thanks for your consideraion. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from jojo@ipa.net Fri Apr 13 21:10:14 2001 f3E2ADS19845 Subject: Re: Nets I have one, and it is a beautiful, functional piece of work. M-D speaking of nets, have you all seen these? the designis clever, i thot. timothy oops! from jojo@ipa.net Fri Apr 13 21:17:07 2001 f3E2H3S20156 Subject: Re: Survivor Tony, You bloody moron. It would take a wanker of lackluster character, such asonly you possess, to come up with such drivel. Only idiots of your ilk wouldeven deign to partake in the endeavor you suggest that furthermore, wouldonly serve to embolden assorted cretins to assert ideas that are so withoutimagination and void of creativity as to be nonexistent and without value --to put in their two cents worth, inflation included, as it were. And, to topit off, if you weren't so prone to wank before you. . . .Wait a minute here.Hmmm. I guess that means I'm with you, Tony. Who else wants a piece of usblokes? You bunch of wankers. M-D Hey, I've got an idea. Lets rename this list SURVIVOR or NAME THAT ANTICHRIST or some other catchy title.The rules are simple:Disable your delete key AND you MUST read every message then you mustcomment before thinking.If you dislike a message and or the person and or the thread nuke him onthe list.Everybody else quickly align with which ever protagonists you decide isbest and flame away.Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop, whew got out of it.Hang in there saying goodby to all the listers who just want to make rodsand keep in contact with like minded people while making the views on thelist narrow enough until there remain only McRod makers.Remeber the golden rule. SHOOT from THE HIP.Survive long enough until you are the only remaining lister happy with theknowlage that while this list can never find the answer to the perfect rodlet alone the cure to cancer or the answer to peace and good will to allmen you are a rodmaker damn it! AND the last one standing. This allowsyouto wear a T shirt saying "Back off, I'm a RODMAKER!" It's the nature of any collection of people that punch ups happen andpersonally I think that's ok within reason and on list if it gets out ofhand it's worth sending a rocket (off list) to the people to quite thingsdown but leaving doesn't really help. I mean if you're getting pissed offsay so then delete all the BS, there are plenty of other people on thelistwaiting for reality to catch up too.I know there are some really nice blokes no longer on list who I for onewish still were.The ebbs and flow of the list are like anything organic and it's beenebbing for a while now but it'll turn around. It's just a game guys, even if it is a serious game it's still just agame.There are more people on this earth than not living in cardboard boxes ifthey're lucky who just to survive for real would kill for the price of thecontents of a your average dip tube. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Apr 13 21:53:36 2001 f3E2rYS20889 Subject: Re: Survivor Now THAT's what I was talking about!!! :-) Tony At 08:56 PM 4/13/01 -0500, Jojo DeLancier wrote:Tony, You bloody moron. It would take a wanker of lackluster character, such asonly you possess, to come up with such drivel. Only idiots of your ilk wouldeven deign to partake in the endeavor you suggest that furthermore, wouldonly serve to embolden assorted cretins to assert ideas that are sowithoutimagination and void of creativity as to be nonexistent and without value --to put in their two cents worth, inflation included, as it were. And, to topit off, if you weren't so prone to wank before you. . . .Wait a minute here.Hmmm. I guess that means I'm with you, Tony. Who else wants a piece of usblokes? You bunch of wankers. M-D From: "Tony Young" Hey, I've got an idea. Lets rename this list SURVIVOR or NAME THAT ANTICHRIST or some other catchy title.The rules are simple:Disable your delete key AND you MUST read every message then you mustcomment before thinking.If you dislike a message and or the person and or the thread nuke him onthe list.Everybody else quickly align with which ever protagonists you decide isbest and flame away.Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop with positive feedback andcontinue,Join the ends and create an endless loop, whew got out of it.Hang in there saying goodby to all the listers who just want to make rodsand keep in contact with like minded people while making the views on thelist narrow enough until there remain only McRod makers.Remeber the golden rule. SHOOT from THE HIP.Survive long enough until you are the only remaining lister happy with theknowlage that while this list can never find the answer to the perfect rodlet alone the cure to cancer or the answer to peace and good will to allmen you are a rodmaker damn it! AND the last one standing. This allowsyouto wear a T shirt saying "Back off, I'm a RODMAKER!" It's the nature of any collection of people that punch ups happen andpersonally I think that's ok within reason and on list if it gets out ofhand it's worth sending a rocket (off list) to the people to quite thingsdown but leaving doesn't really help. I mean if you're getting pissed offsay so then delete all the BS, there are plenty of other people on thelistwaiting for reality to catch up too.I know there are some really nice blokes no longer on list who I for onewish still were.The ebbs and flow of the list are like anything organic and it's beenebbing for a while now but it'll turn around. It's just a game guys, even if it is a serious game it's still just agame.There are more people on this earth than not living in cardboard boxes ifthey're lucky who just to survive for real would kill for the price of thecontents of a your average dip tube. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A man who works with his hands is a laborer.A man who works with his hands and brain is a craftsman.A man who works with his hands and brain and heart is an artist. As required in accordance with new draconian Australian copy right laws Igive express permission for anybody so wishing to copy or forward this message. /*************************************************************************/ from can@telusplanet.net Fri Apr 13 22:10:24 2001 f3E3ANS21330 Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:10:21 -0600 Subject: Re: Nets Brian, I know a couple of lads who build nets up here in Calgary,Alberta, they both started with an article in a brocure put out by LeeValley Tools. I can track the article down & mail you a copy or put youin touch with the guys in town. You can buy nets from the local Orvisdealer in Calgary, suspect many fly shops also carry them but they maybe "behind the counter".One of the lads is one the list, you can contact him at: Ron Elder -- CheersCraig Hill Country Rodswww.telusplanet.net/public/can/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 22:15:57 2001 f3E3FuS21564 2001 20:16:00 PDT Subject: net instructions i seem to have deleated the site with instructions forbuilding a net. would someone email it to me again? timothy ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" "Here comes that dreamer!" they said to each other. "Come now, let's killhim....then we'll see what comes of his dreams." - Gen 37:19 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Apr 13 22:39:13 2001 f3E3dBS22182 Subject: Re: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench I've mentioned on list in the past the best way to get all the goodiesneeded for rodmaking is to buy the lathe, planes, mill etc FOR your wife.It takes a certain amount of timing and guile to get away with thisstrategy and I have to confess to getting this from watching my Dadperformit and getting some pointers from Gene Hill in his treatiseA Hunter's Fireside Book specifically the chapter Bargains page 37 thoughthe book has plenty of other examples. This is best evidenced by Gene himself who actually dedicates his book tohis wife and daughters who put up with his peculiarities! I would argue hisare not peculiarities rather the manifestation of a genetic imperative. Now don't think this is being in any way sneaky or underhanded because itisn't. It's a perfectly legitimate and marriage saving ploy. It's alsogenetic.I can prove (well not prove exactly but make the argument) it's geneticbecause long ago all the lads would have snuck off and chipped clevispoints and painted cave walls and argued if deer or mammoth sinews held thepoints to the shafts better and why while the women actually worked andkept everybody fed between the boy's "hunting" trips.Obviously if you didn't chip good points and use the right sinews youweren't going to pull the girls so that was that for your genetic line.Even when you could prove your expertise as a hell of a point chipper andrabbit hunter you still had to go through the exercise of smuggling newpoints into the family cave after you swapped the last of the smoked rhinohaunch for a matched set of point chipping rocks and spear binder. There was never a woman who didn't know exactly what was going on and theyou're a lucky man indeed if your better half goes along with the gamewhich isn't as you may think the type who meekly smiles and lets you offeasily but rather the best ones really put you through hoops of fire overit but let you back in the house after only a couple of days. I have aworkshop full of neat gear with a pillow for my bench and every piece ofequipment it has a story to tell :-) Seriously though I took Sandy with me on my last trip to NZ and we both hada really good time and the amazing thing of it was we had it together. Iwent to all the thermal springs, souvenir rock and t spoon shops with herand Sandy went to the lakes and streams with me. One afternoon we went with Ian Kearney and Mike Roberts to a nice riveraround Ian's place with a picnic basket I might add and Sandy landed herfirst (almost smallest I've ever seen) trout. Sandy now understands why Ilike fishing and since seeing me catch a few fish now actually believes Ido in fact catch a few from time to time.I'd recommend giving partners a try with all this stuff. It may happen theytake a real interest and make it more fun for you both. Tony At 11:18 AM 4/13/01 -0400, Todd Talsma wrote:Yep, I've had that before. Seems to be a common thing, I'd say. Mywife didn't know why I enjoyed fishing so much until I took her toCanada once. She still talks about how relaxing that was and it wasover 10 years ago. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A man who works with his hands is a laborer.A man who works with his hands and brain is a craftsman.A man who works with his hands and brain and heart is an artist. As required in accordance with new draconian Australian copy right laws Igive express permission for anybody so wishing to copy or forward this message. /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Apr 13 23:01:16 2001 f3E41ES22763 Subject: Re: Nets When I first started messing about for myself with wood by making canoesand dingys etc I made some landing nets that were just like the one in thepic. It's actually pretty easy to do.The handle is made by bandsawing a rectangular piece hardwood for themiddle section and keep the off cuts for gluing later.Clear Ash is prob the best wood to use for the hoop because it's easy tobend by ripping it into 3 mm wide laminates and letting them soak overnightin water. Make more than you need because you'll break a few until you getthe hang of it. If you still break them try wrapping a dish cloth over thetightest bends and heating with the stream of a kettle. Keep everything wetall the time.Make the form for the hoop using MDF of the thickness of the woodlaminatesheight and with the narrow part of the hoop meeting fairly with where itwill meet the hardwood handle.Cut the center out of the hoop form to allow clamping and cut strips ofrubber about 1" wide from an old inner tube to use as bandage clamps.After soaking the strips and the kettle is steaming take the strips andstarting at the end of the hoop bend them and wrap them with the inner tubestrips on both sides of the hoop extending the strips beyond the end of thehandle. When you've wrapped the inner tube strips along the hoop to thehandle get the off cuts from the handle and place them over the strips thenwith good sized G clamps clamp the offcut sections over the strips so youforce the strips to lay firmly against the handle.Let it all dry for a few days before gluing it all and re clamping in thesame way.If you use resorcinol and possibly epoxy you can form the curved lip bywrapping the hoop with wet dish cloths and steaming. Gently bend the hoopto get the curve but be careful because one wood is steamed it's much moreprone to breakage the next time round.You could make the form curved and do it all at once but I'd suggest tryingthis way first if you've never steam bent wood before. Bamboo would be much better to use than Ash especially for the curvebending part. Tony At 10:28 AM 4/13/01 -0700, timothy troester wrote:speaking of nets, have you all seen these? the designis clever, i thot. timothy oops! ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" "Here comes that dreamer!" they said to each other. "Come now, let's killhim....then we'll see what comes of his dreams." - Gen 37:19 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A man who works with his hands is a laborer.A man who works with his hands and brain is a craftsman.A man who works with his hands and brain and heart is an artist. As required in accordance with new draconian Australian copy right laws Igive express permission for anybody so wishing to copy or forward this message. /*************************************************************************/ from cattanac@wmis.net Fri Apr 13 23:03:28 2001 f3E43SS22973 Subject: Re: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench I am reminded of Ed Zern's writings - and his sharing of the Gun cabinet -to mask his adding to his collection - his sage advice is to always leavethe empty slot - she only focused at the empty slot and not the addednumberof guns - some how you need to focus the loved ones to the 'empty sl from fquinchat@locl.net Sat Apr 14 09:28:18 2001 f3EESIS00374 Subject: Fw: Knurls, was buying NS rings et al. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Knurls, was buying NS rings et al. On knurling: What I do is use a 80 tpi straight knurl. I advance it into the work withthe lathe off. I then rotate the chuck 360 degrees by hand, tighten thecross feed a little and reverse the chuck 360 degrees by hand. This gives a beautiful knurl and you don't have to go into the complicatedcircular pitch calculation to find the "perfect diameter" for the work. Dennis Bertram-----Original Message-----From: Ed Hartzell Cc: bmaulucci@adelphia.net ; earsdws@duke.edu; Rodmakers Date: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:07 PMSubject: Re: Knurls, was buying NS rings et al. Bill,.Try the Travers Catalog I have had good luck withthem Knurling does sometimes repeat or develop strangely. What I do is reducethediameter until I find one that works. There are other methods(mathematical)that I can look up for you if you find you need them.Ed Hartzell Bill Hoy wrote: Speaking of knurls. I've been saving for an import 7X12 lathe, but I'venoticed that all the knurling setups in the catalogs are very expensive.The cheapest one I've seen comes close to the price of the lathe itself.AmI looking at the wrong thing, or is there an alternative method forknurling? Also, it seems to me that knurling different size diameterswouldrequire different size knurnling wheels, otherwise the knurls wouldoverlapat the begining/ending point. Is this correct? Obviously, I'm completelyclueless when it comes to machining metal parts, so any clues wouldcertainly be welcome. Bill At 09:12 AM 4/12/2001 -0400, Bob Maulucci wrote:Dave LeClair or Bob Venneri would sell you just the hardware as willR.E.C. and others. If you have a lathe (or get one) that doesn't dofancyknurls, this is the way to go.Bob At 06:51 AM 4/12/2001 -0400, David W. Smith, Ph.D. wrote:Folks,I have just finished taking a woodturning course (and amacquiringalathe) to turn reel seats. At this point I don't intend to take upturning the metal components for the seats, or ferrules, so I amwondering if there is a source for the reel seat rings and small metalrings that go between the wood spacer and the cork?Thanks in advance, dws. Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.comhttp://www.downandacross.com218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from DragonflyMAE@aol.com Sat Apr 14 10:36:58 2001 f3EFavS01608 Subject: (no subject) I, m not sure if this is how to send a general thanks to the list so if it is not than I, m sure someone will tell me.That said I, ld like to thank the list for all the great help. I've been doing this for a Ferro years but without anything to work with but the "Book" and it, s been slow.This list is like someone handed me a flashlight and said this should help you find what you need. It has. Now more to the point, and the reason I'm sending this to everyone. Not long ago someone, I forget who because I neglected to save the address, told me about using a small nail to split cane, Wow! Were I was getting only enough to make one rod with some left over I think I can now get enough for at least three, and being a Yankee this kind of thrift just makes me grin.So, that's it.Again, thank you. Matthew I, m not sure if this ishow to send a general thanks to the list so if it is not than I, m sure someone will tell me. been doing this for a Ferro years but without anything to work with but the"Book" and it, s been slow.This list is like someone handed me a flashlight and said this should help the reason I'm because I neglected to save the address, told me about using a small nail to split some left over I think I can now get enough for at least three, and being a Yankeethis kind of thrift just makes me grin.So, that's it. thank you. from piscator@macatawa.org Sat Apr 14 10:43:53 2001 f3EFhqS01834 "Coffey, Patrick W" Subject: Re: Nets Thanks, Patrick.I looked it up on their web page index of back issues, and it was issue 92,Jan/Feb 1992. They don't have back issues. If anyone has an extra they'dlike to sell, e-mail me off list.Thanks! Brian from flytyr@southshore.com Sat Apr 14 10:47:11 2001 f3EFlBS02102 Subject: Re: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench Some things people do. I made a rod for a guy in Georgia, he did not want it live) and took a bunch of rods with him. His wife asked why he took so manyrods, he told her he did not know what he might need. The real reason beingthathe could pick up the rod I made for him and just mix it in with all the othersand his wife would not know the difference. Don't know if it worked or not,notmuch you can get away with.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Wayne Cattanach wrote: I am reminded of Ed Zern's writings - and his sharing of the Gun cabinet -to mask his adding to his collection - his sage advice is to always leavethe empty slot - she only focused at the empty slot and not the addednumberof guns - some how you need to focus the loved ones to the 'empty sl from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Apr 14 12:49:15 2001 f3EHnES04491 Subject: Marble slabs/DO NOT OPEN unless you asked for them. DELETE!!!!!!! RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Guys, OK slam me for this one but I had quite a few people ask about marble slabs. I do not remember all who asked so I figured this was the best way to get the word to everyone. I have bad news for the list. The guy whopromised me the marble backed out at the last minute, well not actuallybacked out he wanted paid for these after he told me I could have them because they were going in the trash. He said because he maybe had an outlet now,"US" that he thought he should get some money for them. I told him to "Stick it"! I told him when you promise someone you are giving them something don't be a dick and tell them you want money now since they might have value besides trash. Bret from ttalsma@macatawa.org Sat Apr 14 17:34:10 2001 f3EMYAS08237 Service Version 5.5.2448.0) Subject: Re: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench Well said Tony, The one thing that I forgot to do while I was in Canada is let my wifesee ME catch a fish. I think in the whole week, she wasn't in the boatwhen I caught any, I was with my dad. Cripes! She even missed theNorthern Pike that I caught practically in the propwash of my parentsboat from the dock! She must have been powdering her nose or something. Can you give me some pointers on buying equipment (lathes, forms, etc) friend. Tony Young wrote: I've mentioned on list in the past the best way to get all the goodies needed for rodmaking is to buy the lathe, planes, mill etc FOR yourwife.It takes a certain amount of timing and guile to get away with thisstrategy and I have to confess to getting this from watching my Dadperformit and getting some pointers from Gene Hill in his treatiseA Hunter's Fireside Book specifically the chapter Bargains page 37thoughthe book has plenty of other examples.This is best evidenced by Gene himself who actually dedicates his booktohis wife and daughters who put up with his peculiarities! I wouldargue hisare not peculiarities rather the manifestation of a geneticimperative. (Big snip, don't want to clog up the archives).--Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://ttalsma.bizland.com/home page: http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/index.htmgenealogy home page:http://member.nbci.com/ttalsma/family/index.htm from dblanken@rica.net Sat Apr 14 17:54:39 2001 f3EMscS08663 0000 Subject: question for software guys recently browsing through an Orvis catalog and noticed their description =of rod action. Starting somewhere around 6.0 - "full flex" (parabolic), = As we have the capability of graphing rod action based on taper =dimension, would it be possible to translate that to a system that more =uniformly described and compared rod action? It might also be that I'm =the only one that finds graphs to be confusing, but, I have a difficult =time comparing dimensions on paper and trying to envision how that will =equate to casting characteristics. Comments or clarifications? Regards, David "Blessed are they who have nothing to say, and who cannot be persuaded = = As we have the capability of graphing = based on taper dimension, would it be possible to translate that to a = that I'm the only one that finds graphs to be confusing, but, I have a = time comparing dimensions on paper and trying to envision how that will = to casting characteristics. Comments or =clarifications? Regards, David "Blessed are they who have nothing to = cannot be persuaded to say it." -- James Russell = from destinycon@mindspring.com Sat Apr 14 18:02:58 2001 f3EN2wS08994 Subject: Rope Knurls A couple month ago someone on the list was asking me about small ropeknurls. As I don't remember who it was (this growing old isn't all it'scracked to be ;) I need to send this to the list. What you are looking forare Milgrain tools used in the jewelry trade. I have found a company namedPaul H. Gesswein & Co. that supplies them for around $50 each. These arenot the usual knurls that are used on a tool room lathe but rather a smallsingle point tool that fits in the tool post of your lathe (a .125" sq. postapp. 2.5" long with a wheel dia app. .25"). I've ordered one and used it onfour sets of rings and caps, this week, and it does a nice job making asmall rope (they say it's app. .95mm wide, I say it's a tad larger, but whatdo I know from mm's). It hardened tool steel and looks as if it will lastlong enough to pay for it's self. The part # is 820-5014 called LatheMilgrain tool R1. They have a web site (use their name .com) but it doesn'tgive any info. so you need to order direct from them by phone at800-243-4466 or for you Canadians in the crowd 800-263-6106. Hope thiswasn't too commercial, but I don't make any of the money.Best regard,Gary H. from martinj@aa.net Sat Apr 14 18:05:17 2001 f3EN5GS09151 Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:05:18 -0700 Subject: RE: question for software guys Clarification:If you want to look at a graph and get an idea of how the rod feels just bylooking at the graph, you first have to look at a graph of a rod that you"know" the feel of. Then you can compare. If, on the graph, it appears thatin the middle of the rod one rod is noticeably larger in diameter, you cansafely assume that this portion of the rod will most likely be stiffer. themore rods that you graph and know the feel of, the more useful a graphbecomes. The very first graph will mean nothing. It is the baseline. Martin Jensen -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: question for software guys browsing through an Orvis catalog and noticed their description of rodaction. Starting somewhere around 6.0 - "full flex" (parabolic), up to10.0 - "tip flex" (faster action). As we have the capability of graphing rod action based on taper dimension,would it be possible to translate that to a system that more uniformlydescribed and compared rod action? It might also be that I'm the only onethat finds graphs to be confusing, but, I have a difficult time comparingdimensions on paper and trying to envision how that will equate to castingcharacteristics. Comments or clarifications? Regards, David "Blessed are they who have nothing to say, and who cannot be persuaded tosay it." -- James Russell Clarification: want to look at a graph and get an idea of how the rod feels just by = the graph, you first have to look at a graph of a rod that you "know" = of. Then you can compare. If, on the graph, it appears that in the = rod one rod is noticeably larger in diameter, you can safely assume that = portion of the rod will most likely be stiffer. the more rods that you = know the feel of, the more useful a graph becomes. The very first graph = mean nothing. It is the baseline. Martin= BlankenshipSent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 4:04 = CollectingSubject: question for software =guys As we have the capability of graphing= based on taper dimension, would it be possible to translate that to a = that I'm the only one that finds graphs to be confusing, but, I have a = difficult time comparing dimensions on paper and trying to envision = will equate to casting characteristics. Comments or =clarifications? Regards, David "Blessed are they who have nothing to= from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sat Apr 14 21:05:32 2001 f3F25WS11711 Subject: Little help with old creel (off subject) Friends,Picked up a nice old creel off eBay. It's leatherlined, tight weaved, and has the original leather pocket onthe front. I want to clean it up and use it as a tacklebag. The inside of the creel has several dirty lookingspots. Do any of you have experience with cleaning these upand reconditioning the leather parts? If so, I'd like tohear from you... Thanks in advance,Harry --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."-- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods --http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from rodbldr@hotmail.com Sat Apr 14 21:26:21 2001 f3F2QKS12184 Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:26:19 -0700 Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:26:18 GMT FILETIME=[7451CFD0:01C0C553] What can I do to help prevent varnish cracksbelow ferrules? I tried things I read in the books - file the serrationsthin, and I started a new wrap after the serrations. Ifinished the wraps with Gudebrod 822 then a finalcoat of Man-O-War. I let it dry for about two weeks before fishing it. Thanks,Mark_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from iank@ts.co.nz Sat Apr 14 23:47:20 2001 f3F4lES14788 Subject: Re: Wife's wisdom & Bamboo on the bench Guys and Gals, What Tony failed to mention was the full depth of his cunning , and the need There were about a dozen trout rising in this pool , and we experts were allcooperative enough to let Sandy be the only one to catch a fish ! Ian One afternoon we went with Ian Kearney and Mike Roberts to a nice riveraround Ian's place with a picnic basket I might add and Sandy landed herfirst (almost smallest I've ever seen) trout. Sandy now understands why Ilike fishing and since seeing me catch a few fish now actually believes Ido in fact catch a few from time to time. from jojo@ipa.net Sun Apr 15 09:04:18 2001 f3FE4HS20654 Subject: For Bob Maulucci -- Others Please Delete Bob, I've tried six times to answer your last post to me, but have been bouncedeach time. Sorry, don't know what else to do. M-D from utzerath@execpc.com Sun Apr 15 10:38:02 2001 f3FFc1S21941 f3FFc5r26492; f3FFcNo50574; Subject: Re: question for software guys Hi David, You open up a subject that has intrigued me ever since I cast my first =cane rod. The Orvis static deflection rating is mentioned all too =briefly (as are many topics) in Don Philips book. Conversation about strain among bamboo rod makers seems to be rare, =perhaps because folks are better rodmakers than mathematicians or =vice- versa. Bob Milward's book, which ought to be in print about now, might pique =some interest in the material science of bamboo. I'm afraid the =graphite rod designers are a little ahead of us right now in this area. Let us fish,Jim U Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:03 PMSubject: question for software guys recently browsing through an Orvis catalog and noticed their description =of rod action. Starting somewhere around 6.0 - "full flex" (parabolic), = As we have the capability of graphing rod action based on taper =dimension, would it be possible to translate that to a system that more =uniformly described and compared rod action? It might also be that I'm =the only one that finds graphs to be confusing, but, I have a difficult =time comparing dimensions on paper and trying to envision how that will =equate to casting characteristics. Comments or clarifications? Regards, David "Blessed are they who have nothing to say, and who cannot be persuaded = Hi David, You open up a subject that has intrigued me = book. rod = = mathematicians or vice-versa. = afraid the graphite rod designers are a little ahead of us right now in = area. Let us fish,Jim U ----- Original Message ----- Blankenship Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 = PMSubject: question for software =guys As we have the capability of graphing= based on taper dimension, would it be possible to translate that to a = that I'm the only one that finds graphs to be confusing, but, I have a = difficult time comparing dimensions on paper and trying to envision = will equate to casting characteristics. Comments or =clarifications? Regards, David "Blessed are they who have nothing to= from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Apr 15 11:00:30 2001 f3FG0TS22642 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108Netscape6/6.0 Subject: Re: question for software guys Jim,You have the wrong Phillips, for a description of Static Deflection, you need Bill Phillips book, "The Trout Stream and Rod".Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Jim Utzerath wrote: Hi David, You open up a subject that has intrigued me ever since I cast my first cane rod. The Orvis static deflection rating is mentioned all too briefly (as are many topics) in Don Philips book. Conversation about strain among bamboo rod makers seems to be rare, perhaps because folks are better rodmakers than mathematicians or vice- versa. Bob Milward's book, which ought to be in print about now, might pique some interest in the material science of bamboo. I'm afraid the graphite rod designers are a little ahead of us right now in this area. Let us fish, Jim U from utzerath@execpc.com Sun Apr 15 11:59:56 2001 f3FGxpS23436 f3FGxor80201; f3FH09o71645; Subject: Re: question for software guys Reed, I was thinking about pp 92-93 of Don Phillips "The Technology of Fly Rods"where he specifically refers to the Orvis index. Indeed, there are otherdiscussions of static deflection that are more thorough. Don's book wasjust mentioned on the list a few weeks ago. I have not read the otherPhillips so thank you for the recommendation. Tight lines,Jim U ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: question for software guys Jim,You have the wrong Phillips, for a description of Static Deflection, youneed Bill Phillips book, "The Trout Stream and Rod".Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Jim Utzerath wrote: Hi David, You open up a subject that has intrigued me ever since I cast my firstcane rod. The Orvis static deflection rating is mentioned alltoo briefly (as are many topics) in Don Philips book. Conversation about strain among bamboo rod makers seems to be rare,perhaps because folks are better rodmakers than mathematicians orvice-versa. Bob Milward's book, which ought to be in print about now, might piquesome interest in the material science of bamboo. I'm afraid thegraphite rod designers are a little ahead of us right now in this area. Let us fish, Jim U from DragonflyMAE@aol.com Sun Apr 15 12:05:47 2001 f3FH5kS23689 Subject: F.E.Thomas settings I see that all or most of the form setting for Thomas rods are in 6 inch increments.Can I still use a form with 5 inch increments?I want to make this 7footer so bad when if finish the others I've started, thought I'd get a jump on the issue.ThanksMatthew I see that all or most ofthe form setting for Thomas rods are in 6 inch increments.Can I still use a form with 5 inch increments?I want to make this 7footer so bad when if finish the others I'vestarted, thought I'd get a jump on the issue. from cattanac@wmis.net Sun Apr 15 12:37:54 2001 f3FHbrS24276 Subject: Re: question for software guys I don't think the graphite gurus have anything over the bamboo folks asfar as insight - they need a more usable 'standard' because of the massproduction and the need for developing and maintaining their productlines(Quality Assurance Standards) - and their margin of error is a bit morerigid than with bamboo - in many cases you can special order either lightend or heavy end rods of a particular model - these are the units thatdidn't make the cut so to say with the production standards - in other wordsa bad hair day with the scrim - from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sun Apr 15 13:55:22 2001 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) f3FItMS25543 (5.5.2653.19) Subject: RE: question for software guys Is it true that it is much harder to implement compound tapers in graphite?I've heard that but don't really know if that's accurate. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: question for software guys I don't think the graphite gurus have anything over the bamboo folks asfar as insight - they need a more usable 'standard' because of the massproduction and the need for developing and maintaining their productlines(Quality Assurance Standards) - and their margin of error is a bit morerigid than with bamboo - in many cases you can special order either lightend or heavy end rods of a particular model - these are the units thatdidn't make the cut so to say with the production standards - in other wordsa bad hair day with the scrim - from bh887@lafn.org Sun Apr 15 15:40:22 2001 f3FKeLS27438 forged)) "Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: question for software guys Many years ago I had a client who made graphite (Ugh, that word!) golfshafts which I believe are compound tapers. He had no real trouble with thetapers. But the process is to wind graphite ribbons onto a mandrel, holdingthem in place with surplus audio tape for the cure. The cured shaft iscleaned by sanding off the tape after removal of the mandrel. The shaftsare then sorted by flex, which involves loading the end of the shaft with aweight and checking the deflection. The normal bell curve will give you anassortment of the three major flex categories. Interesting process. Youcould make rods the same way Lee----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: question for software guys Is it true that it is much harder to implement compound tapers ingraphite?I've heard that but don't really know if that's accurate. -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: Re: question for software guys I don't think the graphite gurus have anything over the bamboo folksasfar as insight - they need a more usable 'standard' because of the massproduction and the need for developing and maintaining their productlines(Quality Assurance Standards) - and their margin of error is a bitmorerigid than with bamboo - in many cases you can special order either lightend or heavy end rods of a particular model - these are the units thatdidn't make the cut so to say with the production standards - in otherwordsa bad hair day with the scrim - from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 16:49:19 2001 f3FLnIS28946 2001 14:49:21 PDT Subject: Re: F.E.Thomas settings matthew, you can use a 5" form but measure it every6". put a 6" mark on your form every 6 inches andmeasure it there as you adjust it. after you get yourform set record your 5" settings incase you want tomake another one. timothy --- DragonflyMAE@aol.com wrote:I see that all or most of the form setting forThomas rods are in 6 inch increments.Can I still use a form with 5 inch increments?I want to make this 7footer so bad when if finishthe others I've started, thought I'd get a jump on the issue.Thanks Matthew ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" "Here comes that dreamer!" they said to each other. "Come now, let's killhim....then we'll see what comes of his dreams." - Gen 37:19 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from channer@frontier.net Sun Apr 15 17:11:08 2001 f3FMB7S29455 Subject: Re: F.E.Thomas settings A better way would be to use one of the computer programs and enter the6" dimensions, run the program and find out what the 5" dimensions are.If you mark your forms at 6" spacing and then try to set it with the 5"adjustments, it's likely to take you a dozen adjustments up and down theforms before you get it right.John timothy troester wrote: matthew, you can use a 5" form but measure it every6". put a 6" mark on your form every 6 inches andmeasure it there as you adjust it. after you get yourform set record your 5" settings incase you want tomake another one. timothy --- DragonflyMAE@aol.com wrote:I see that all or most of the form setting forThomas rods are in 6 inchincrements.Can I still use a form with 5 inch increments?I want to make this 7footer so bad when if finishthe others I've started,thought I'd get a jump on the issue.Thanks Matthew ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" "Here comes that dreamer!" they said to each other. "Come now, let's killhim....then we'll see what comes of his dreams." - Gen 37:19 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 17:13:35 2001 f3FMDYS29706 2001 15:13:38 PDT Subject: Re: F.E.Thomas settings it would be intresting to do it both ways thencompare. timothy --- channer wrote:A better way would be to use one of the computerprograms and enter the6" dimensions, run the program and find out what the5" dimensions are.If you mark your forms at 6" spacing and then try toset it with the 5"adjustments, it's likely to take you a dozenadjustments up and down theforms before you get it right.John timothy troester wrote: matthew, you can use a 5" form but measure itevery6". put a 6" mark on your form every 6 inches andmeasure it there as you adjust it. after you getyourform set record your 5" settings incase you wanttomake another one. timothy --- DragonflyMAE@aol.com wrote:I see that all or most of the form setting forThomas rods are in 6 inchincrements.Can I still use a form with 5 inch increments?I want to make this 7footer so bad when iffinishthe others I've started,thought I'd get a jump on the issue.Thanks Matthew ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" "Here comes that dreamer!" they said to eachother. "Come now, let's kill him....then we'll seewhat comes of his dreams." - Gen 37:19 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" "Here comes that dreamer!" they said to each other. "Come now, let's killhim....then we'll see what comes of his dreams." - Gen 37:19 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from fiveside@net-gate.com Sun Apr 15 19:06:30 2001 f3G06TS01989 Subject: Re: F.E.Thomas settings I see that all or most of the form setting for Thomas rods are in 6 inch increments.Can I still use a form with 5 inch increments?I want to make this 7footer so bad when if finish the others I've started, thought I'd get a jump on the issue.ThanksMatthewThe easiest way is to take a piece of graph paper, plot the 6 inchincrements, then connect them, then read off the 5 inch intercepts. Piece ofcake. Bill from johnsabina@home.com Sun Apr 15 20:24:24 2001 f3G1OOS03595 0700 Subject: Man-O-War Varnish Source? Folks: Does anyone know where I can buy Man-O-War spar varnish in Michigan? I amin metropolitan Detroit. The Frentz Hardware in Royal Oak used to carry it,but they are out and don't expect any more. All of the other hardwarestores around are franchised chain stores that only carry their own brands.Southeast Michigan would be prefered, but I will drive if I have to.Haven't been able to find a website yet either. JJS from bmaulucci@adelphia.net Sun Apr 15 20:57:41 2001 f3G1veS04982 "Rodmakers Mail" Subject: Re: Man-O-War Varnish Source? --=====================_51446671==_.ALT Here's a source from the web, no financial interest...McCloskey Gloss Spar varnish is selling for $38.02 + Shipping.Because this is an oil based product, shipping runs $12.50 for the firstgallon and it has to go ground.Please use the order form at http://www.o-geepaint.com/Orderredirect.htmorcall. Call Toll Free in the Continental US 1-888-385-9969www.o-geepaint.com At 09:23 PM 4/15/2001 -0400, John J Sabina wrote:Folks: Does anyone know where I can buy Man-O-War spar varnish in Michigan? Iamin metropolitan Detroit. The Frentz Hardware in Royal Oak used to carry it,but they are out and don't expect any more. All of the other hardwarestores around are franchised chain stores that only carry their own brands.Southeast Michigan would be prefered, but I will drive if I have to.Haven't been able to find a website yet either. JJS --=====================_51446671==_.ALT Here's a source from the web, no financial interest...McCloskey Gloss Spar varnish is selling for $38.02 + Shipping. Because this is an oil based product, shipping runs $12.50 for the first gallon and it has to go ground.Please use the order form athttp://www.o- geepaint.com/Orderredirect.htmor call. Call Toll Free in the Continental US 1-888-385-9969www.o-geepaint.com At 09:23 PM 4/15/2001 -0400, John J Sabina wrote:Folks:Does anyone know where I can buy Man-O-War spar varnish in carry it, hardwarestores around are franchised chain stores that only carry their ownbrands.Southeast Michigan would be prefered, but I will drive if I have to.Haven't been able to find a website yet either.JJS --=====================_51446671==_.ALT-- from rvenneri@ulster.net Mon Apr 16 04:40:24 2001 f3G9eNS12919 0400 (172.16.0.129) Subject: test ths is a test did I get bumped or is it slow Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477845 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.html from nobler@satx.rr.com Mon Apr 16 05:41:17 2001 f3GAfGS13609 f3GAfJrd003139; "Rodmakers Mail" Subject: Re: Man-O-War Varnish Source? This sounds like a Hazmat charge involving flammable liquids of a gallon ormore. It's such an inane ruling, as you can buy 50K gallons in quarts andpay zero Hazmat charges !GMA from nobler@satx.rr.com Mon Apr 16 06:03:46 2001 f3GB3kS13955 f3GB0DUd000995;Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:00:13 -0500 Subject: Re: test Easter Sunday was just slow !GMS from dati@selway.umt.edu Mon Apr 16 09:42:02 2001 f3GEg1S19853 Subject: southbend #24 9.5' Hello everyone, Over the weekend I came across a southbend #24 9.5' fly rod. It has bothtips and all sections are the original length. It has nickel silverferrules and a small agate stripping guide. It has full intermediatewraps on all sections. It is in good condition exceptit needs a varnish job. My questions are: what is the value of such arod and will its value go down if I re-varnish and re-wrap it? If any ofyou have time, I would greatly appreciate any words of wisdom you mighthave. Thanks so much,Darin Law ******************************* Darin J. Law **** School of Forestry **** University of Montana **** Missoula, MT 59812 **** **** (406) 243-2472 ******************************* from baconrod@gsmrinc.com Mon Apr 16 09:54:35 2001 f3GEsZS20578 KlingB@health.missouri.edu Subject: RE: question for software guys Barry.Compound tapers are ground in the mandrels used to produce the graphite blanks. Lynco Grinding in Cal. has been grinding mandrels for the fishing industry since the early 50'sMost of the rod co's are going outside the u.s. to have mandrels made becouse of the cost. New mandrels cost around $120-$160 Best hal. Bacon from flyfish@defnet.com Mon Apr 16 11:30:55 2001 f3GGUnS25130 Subject: Re:Southbend #24 DarinThe South Bend rod you have is worth about $100in fair to good condition. I'm assuming it is in this condition from the =way you described it. Revarnishing it maydecrease the collectablity of the rod a little. Try to follow me on this =it is a bit confusing. If you have the right personrefinish it, you could increase the value and collectabilty.If you don't do anything to it, the value stays as such.Most collectors prefer that the rod be left in original condition. In =any case a badly done refinish will decrease the value. A nicely done =refinish could (but may not) increase the value. Now that is for =collection value.Now if you're going to fish the rod and do not plan to sell it,then the value turns to ( what it is worth to you as a fine fishing tool =). If you want to refinish it (yourself) a South Bend is a good rod to =use for your first try. Here is why:If you mess it up, not to big of a loss and you can always start over =too. Also try to stay with the originalwrap pattern and color and type of finish. But if you don't plan to sell =it, you would not have to do this. However if you change it, the value =goes down. Also if there is any labels orwriting you will want to save them for collectability. Every one you ask =will also differ in opinion depending on if you are asking a Collector, =or Maker, or Broker,or buyer- seller. Its who wants the rod that =determines the value of it at the particular moment. Any way if you =would like more info on how to restore it ,I would be happy to guide you =through the process. Just email me off list, it's free and I would like =to help. I posted this to the list so that if any of the other list =members would like to contribute they can. Opposing views are also =welcome. Tony Miller way you described it. Revarnishing it = may collection value. to use for your first try. Here is why: too. Also try to stay with the = original the value goes down. Also if there is any labels = or way if you would like more info on how to restore it ,I would be happy = to are also = welcome.Best regards Tony Miller bydesign@cfw.com Mon Apr 16 18:01:13 2001 Received: from mail.cfw.com Apr 2001 2001 19:01:10 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO bydesign) 0400 Message-ID: Subject: To groove or not to groove Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message quoted-printable Recently I saw Lie-Nielsen mention that a grooved plane(.003 milled on = the sole ) is the "rodmakers plane". My question isthis: What are the = advantages and reasons to consider this feature . Or isit more a = personal preference? Yes I have scraped off the finish onmy form, but = that is almost inevitable. Does it contribute to accuracy? Ihave a = L-N that I use for final planing would I be well advised to sendit off = to L-N and have it grooved? Thanks, Rich Young ------ What are the advantages and reasons to consider this feature . Or = is Thanks,Rich Young Mon Apr 16 18:17:28 2001 Received: from admin.md.net Apr 2001 (8.10.2/8.10.2) with From: "Bill 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part sanding blocks sometime ago. Does = anyone know who this wasand if they were useful. Thanks, Bill ------ Thanks,Bill horsesho@ptd.net Mon Apr 16 19:58:03 2001 Received: from maila.ptd.net Apr 17 Apr 2001 00:56:28 -0000 Received: from mail1.ha-net.ptd.net -0000 Received: (qmail 26206 invoked from network); 17 Apr 200100:58:06 -0000 Received: from du154.cli.ptd.net (HELO ptd.net) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:57:55 -0400 bydesign@cfw.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: To groove ornot to groove References: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN -------------- keeps the cutter from striking the surface of the form and thus keeps theblade sharper longer. The disadvantage is that you do not use the wholewidth of the cutter just that section that is in the rabbet under the sole. Ihave both planes and use the grooved one first and finish the last few swipeswith the flat (ungrooved) plane. Marty Beth Young wrote: > RecentlyI saw Lie-Nielsen mention that a grooved plane( .003 milled > on the sole ) isthe "rodmakers plane". My question is this: What are > theadvantages and reasons to consider this feature . Or is it more a > personalpreference? Yes I have scraped off the finish on my form, > but that isalmost inevitable. Does it contribute to accuracy? I > have a L-N that I use have it grooved? Thanks,Rich Young -------------- keeps the cutter from striking the surface of the form and thus keeps theblade sharper longer. The disadvantage is that you do not use the wholewidth of the cutter just that section that is in the rabbet under the sole. Ihave both planes and use the grooved one first and finish the last few swipeswith the flat (ungrooved) plane. Marty Beth Young wrote: Recently I saw Lie-Nielsen mention that a grooved plane( .003 milled on thesole ) is the "rodmakers plane". My question is this: What are theadvantages and reasons to consider this feature . Or is it more a personalpreference? Yes I have scraped off the finish on my form, but that isalmost inevitable. Does it contribute to accuracy? I have a L-N that I use have it grooved? Thanks,Rich Young --------------421192BACE332312E5628CF8-- > from atlasc1@earthlink.netMon Apr 16 20:33:41 2001 Received: fromalbatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with Subject: Re: To groove ornot to groove Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:34:29 - 0700 V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thisis the blade to where it actually does not = touch the forms. It will allowyou to sharpen the plane less and allow = you to stay a few thousands off not to groove Recently I saw Lie-Nielsen mention that a grooved plane( .003milled = on the sole ) is the "rodmakers plane". My question is this:What are = the advantages and reasons to consider this feature . Or is itmore a = personal preference? Yes I have scraped off the finish on myform, but = that is almost inevitable. Does it contribute to accuracy? I havea = L-N that I use for final planing would I be well advised to send it allow you to stay a few thousands off the form consistently = throughout Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: To groove or not to = groove it more a personal preference? Yes I have scraped off the = finish advised to send it off to L-N and have it grooved? Thanks,Rich = Young DragonflyMAE@aol.com Tue Apr 17 06:28:55 2001 Received: from from DragonflyMAE@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com(mail_out_v29.14.) id 4.87.9ba544a (14375) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:28:46 EDT Inline DragonflyMAE@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu make and a question. About fifteen years ago before I married myfirst wife her grandfather gave my a Gene Edward's rod. 7feet long andcasts a 5wt. The inscription reads made by Gene Edward's in white ink.Well, I used it a lot and one day while rollcasting it one of the tips broke atthe ferrule. I had a new set of ferrules installed and in my youthfulexuberance and ignorance I restored the rod in the wrong colors and,( wait going to make thing right with this rod and bring it back from the land of badrestorations. There I said it. My question is, does any one knowwere I might be able to bet a reelseat for this rod. If my memory serves theoriginal was an uplocking aluminum, I can't remember though if thenut was black plastic like the other Gene Edward's I have(untouched) or if itwas aluminum like the Paynes. It was however over a tortoise shelllike Bakelite? seat. Any info would be appreciated. That feels better Peace confession to make and a question. About fifteen years ago before I married my first wife her grandfather gave my a Gene Edward's rod. 7feet long and casts a 5wt. The inscription reads made by Gene Edward's in white ink. Well, I used it a lot and one day while rollcasting it one of the tips broke at the ferrule. I had a new set of ferrules installed and in my youthful exuberance and ignorance I restored the rod in the wrong colors and,( wait for it) I removed the ugly reelseat and replaced that too. Well, I am going to make thing right with this rod and bring it back from the land of bad restorations. There I said it. My question is, does any one know were I might be able to bet a reelseat for this rod. If my memory serves the original was an uplocking aluminum, I can't remember though if the nut was black plastic like the other Gene Edward's I have(untouched) or if it was aluminum like the Paynes. It was however over a tortoise shell like Bakelite? seat. Any info would be appreciated. That feels better Peace dnorl@qwest.net Tue Apr 17 06:43:26 2001 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) Apr 2001 11:43:32 -0000 Received: frommplsdslgw11poolb191.mpls.uswest.net (HELO computer) (63.228.45.191) by Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:33:30 -0500 Message-ID: bydesign@cfw.com, " " Subject: Re: To groove or owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a mine back. It works for me Dave -----Original Monday, April 16, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: To groove plane( .003 milled = on the sole ) is the"rodmakers plane". My question is this: What are = the advantages andreasons to consider this feature . Or is it more a =personal preference? Yes I have scraped off the finish on my form, but =that is almost inevitable. Does it contribute toaccuracy? I have a = L-N that I use for final planing would I be well advised to I sent mine back. It works for meDave-----Original = Message----- Thanks,Rich = Young canazon@mindspring.com Tue Apr 17 06:59:46 2001 Received: wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) From: "mike canazon@mindspring.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- mike c bill, a great little item. brigade@ix.netcom.com Tue Apr 17 08:00:32 2001 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net Date: Tue, 17 Apr2001 07:00:14 -0600 From: Daniel Sedergren X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Confession References: brigade@ix.netcom.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 --ListProc(tm) by CREN You might try contacting Rick Gottdenker athttp://www.ricksrods.com in Denver. He has an extensiveinventory of rod components from the time frame that Gene was buildingrods. DragonflyMAE@aol.com wrote: > I have aconfession to make and a question. > About fifteen years ago before Imarried my first wife her grandfather > gave > my aGene Edward's rod. 7feet long and casts a 5wt. The inscription > reads >made by Gene Edward's in white ink. Well, I used ita lot and one day > while > rollcasting it one of the tips broke at the ferrule. Ihad a new set > of > ferrules installed and in myyouthful exuberance and ignorance I > restored the > rod in the wrong colorsand,( wait for it) I removed the ugly reelseat > andreplaced that too. Well, I am going to make thing right with this rod > and >bring it back from the land of bad restorations. >There I said it. My question is, does any one know were I might be > able to >bet a reelseat for this rod. If my memory servesthe original was an > uplocking aluminum, I can't remember though if the nutwas black > plastic like > the other GeneEdward's I have(untouched) or if it was aluminum like > the > Paynes. It washowever over a tortoise shell like Bakelite? seat.Any info > would be appreciated. > > > That > feels better > > Peace > >Matthew > from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Tue Apr 1709:04:23 2001 Received: from web11202.mail.yahoo.com web11202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:04:26 PDT Date: Tue, 17 tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sender:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN yes! -- - mikecanazon wrote: > bill, > bret reiter is a list member and makes the blocks. > ihave one and it is a great little item. > mike c >===== "Gooda' morning mister bear" "Here comes that dreamer!" they saidto each other. "Come now, let's kill him....then we'llsee what comes of his dreams." - Gen 37:19__________________________________________________ Do YouYahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great priceshttp://auctions.yahoo.com/ >FromAndrew_Harsanyi@ibi.com Tue Apr 17 12:58:46 2001 Received: from ibimailb.ibi.com BY ibixmaila.ibi.com ; Tue Apr 17 13:57:09 2001 -0400 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 200113:57:45 -0400 Received: by ibiexchb.ibi.com with Internet Mail Service(5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:57:30 -0400 From: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: To groove or not to groove Date: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content- Type:multipart/alternative; Andrew_Harsanyi@ibi.com Sender:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This message some or all of this message may not be legible. put a .005 groove in (which worked o.k. but had a bit too much room forerror). I then went to a LN with a .003 groove and amhappier with it. I would even go to a .002 (easily done by taking more off thesole). Using a plane without a groove for the lastcouple swipes as Marty suggests is a good idea. I now have a scraper I amgoing to try that with. Andy -----Original rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Adam rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: To groove ornot to groove The groove allows you to set the blade to where it actuallydoes not touch the forms. It will allow you to sharpenthe plane less and allow you to stay a few thousands off the formconsistently throughout the strip. Adam ----- Original Monday, April 16, 2001 4:02 PM Subject: To grooveor not to groove Recently I saw Lie-Nielsen mention that a grooved plane(.003 milled on the sole ) is the "rodmakers plane".My question is this: What are the advantages and reasons to consider thisfeature . Or is it more a personal preference? Yes Ihave scraped off the finish on my form, but that is almost inevitable. Does itcontribute to accuracy? I have a L-N that I use forfinal planing would I be well advised to send it off to L-N and have it grooved?Thanks, Rich Young I started with a Stanley that I then put a .005 groove in (which worked o.k.but had a bit too much room for error). I then went to a LN with a .003groove and am happier with it. I would even go to a .002 (easily done bytaking more off the sole). Using a plane without a groove for the lastcouple swipes as Marty suggests is a good idea. I now have a scraper I amgoing to try that with. Andy -----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Adam VigilSent: Monday, April 16, 2001 9:34 PM Subject: Re: To groove or not to groove The groove allows you to set the blade to where it actually does nottouch the forms. It will allow you to sharpen the plane lessand allow you to stay a few thousands off the form consistentlythroughout the strip. Adam----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Young Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 4:02 PMSubject: To groove or not to groove Recently I saw Lie-Nielsen mention that a grooved plane( .003milled on the sole ) is the "rodmakers plane".My question is this: What are the advantages and reasons toconsider this feature . Or is it more a personalpreference? Yes I have scraped off the finish on my form, butthat is almost inevitable. Does it contribute toaccuracy? I have a L-N that I use for final planing would I be welladvised to send it off to L-N and have itgrooved? Thanks,Rich Young stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Tue Apr 17 13:20:05 2001 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Has anyone come to aconclusion as to whether the A2 blades offered by Hocketc are any improvement over what they were using before?...................................................................... Frank Stetzer "...a cheerfulcomrade is better stetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employedby, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry VanDyke, Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. >Frommcdowellc@lanecc.edu Tue Apr 17 14:50:372001 Received: from mailhost.lanecc.edu (mailhost.lanecc.edu Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:49:59 -0700 printable to 8bit by wugate.wustl.edu id rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN When the bamboo stripprojects above the form groove, higher then the bladedepth setting, then the blade doesn't touch the form whether grooved ornot, assuming the stroke is level. I thought thegrooved feature would especially come in handy for the final few passeswhen your blade normally scrapes across the metalforms, but if a person switches to an ungrooved plane at that point, thenwhat was the advantage of a grooved plane in the firstplace? One other thing to think about when deciding to groove a plane is theangle you hold your plane as it travels across theforms. I have mine canted with the back of the plane angled away fromparallel because tucking in my wrist brings discomfortafter a while. With a groove do you have to remain more parallel then you dowithout the groove? I guess that would depend onthe width of the grooved portion of the sole. It's probably time for someoneto design an ergonomically correct plane. Someuse those funky keyboards to prevent the wrist tuck. Chris M. >FromJAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 17 15:38:07 2001 ;Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:38:04 +0000 Message-ID:From: "Jacques Follweiler" Subject: Re:Southbend #24 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu quoted-printable This has nothing to do with the Southbend #24 however Isee in the USA = Today where 24,000 bottles ofbeer on a truck ended up in the Tweed = River north of Sydney. One manreportedly carrying off 400 bottles. I = wonder if it wasFoster beer?? Sure wish I were somewhere near the site. Jack ------ quoted-printable bottles. I wonder if it was Foster beer?? Sure wish I were Jack nobler@satx.rr.com Tue Apr 17 17:07:31 2001 Received: from f3HM3OUd026744; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:03:29 -0500 Subject: Re:Southbend Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 nobler@satx.rr.com Sender:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Surely no onewould bother with Fosters ! Now all those X's on the bottle means much more! The best "down under" is home brewedthough !!!!!! GMA > from seanmcs@ar.com.au Tue Apr 17 17:45:55 2001 2001 08:45:25 +1000 Message-ID:Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:50:12 seanmcs@ar.com.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept- nobler@satx.rr.com CC: JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net, flyfish@defnet.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re:Southbend #24 References: Content-Type: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Those beer scroungers have had to dive for them,but even so it isn't quite cricket! Sean nobler wrote: > > Surely no one wouldbother with Fosters ! Now all those X's on thebottle > means much more ! The best "down under" is home brewed though!!!!!! > GMA > from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Apr17 17:55:33 2001 Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com Lazybee45@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id4.24.1207637a (16934) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:55:09 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:55:08 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN youmean someone lost 24000 cans of BEER??? This is a tragedy! Instant aidmust be sent to Austrailia immediately! Two orthree Aussie Lads won't be able to drink tonight! mark >Fromdpeaston@wzrd.com Tue Apr 17 18:32:50 2001 Received: from from himura-kenshin (pm5-ppp017.wzrd.com X-Sender:dpeaston@mail.wzrd.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows DragonflyMAE@aol.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: "Douglas P. Easton" Subject: Re: dpeaston@wzrd.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 --ListProc(tm) by CREN I think that your description fits the reel seat on myEdwards Bristol except that it is down locking andthe threads are quite fine. Perhaps you could pick up a junk Bristol and takethe seat from it.By the way the black plastic is acylinder fitted over a wood dowel.They crack easily. -Doug At 07:28 AM4/17/01 EDT, DragonflyMAE@aol.com wrote: >>>> arialIhave a confession to make and a question. About fifteen years ago before Imarried my first wife her grandfather gave my aGene Edward's rod. 7feet long and casts a 5wt. The inscription reads made and one day while rollcasting it one of the tips broke at the ferrule. I had anew set of ferrules installed and in my youthfulexuberance and ignorance I restored the rod in the wrong colors and,( wait too. Well, I am going to make thing right with this rod and bring it back fromthe land of bad restorations. There I said it. Myquestion is, does any one know were I might be able to bet a reelseat for thisrod. If my memory serves the original was anuplocking aluminum, I can't remember though if the nut was black plastic likethe other Gene Edward's I have(untouched) or ifit was aluminum like the Paynes. It was however over a tortoise shell likeBakelite? seat. Any info would be appreciated. Thatfeels better Peace Matthew arial > > > from jojo@ipa.net Tue Apr 1719:27:56 2001 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net "and Collecting" Subject: Stress Graph Fun Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 jojo@ipa.net Sender:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Guys, Since theList is slow, and some have inquired as to what a stress graph means, Ithought I'd offer the following: I recently came acrossa Japanese Argus rod. The action was rather willowy, and considering it's sizeI'm thinking the weight of the metallic paint, andthe cane having adsorbed had something to do with this. It didn't castespecially well but then, I'm not an especially goodcaster. Anyway, what I propose is: I have entered the taper into Hexrodwww.uwm.edu/~stetzer/hexrod.html and what I'd likethose who are inclined to participate do is to alter the taper to whateverspecs you think would improve the taper, whilemaintaining the essence of the original. Also, please give a detailed reason hope to achieve, why you think it is better, what differences in the actionyou believe you have wrought, etc. Anyone who wantsto comment or ask questions, feel free to do so, whether you have enteredany changes, or not. This is a learning experience.I get the List as a daily digest -- once a day -- so please include an e-mail tome directly. I have saved the original taper underthe name ARGUS, and having made the first modifications, I saved this underArgusA (these are case sensitive). Please savewhatever changes you make under a new name each time. I don't think wecan use the alphabet as inevitably someone willsave over someone else's taper. Also, post to the List the name under whichyour taper is saved, and then give your rationale.It will be a good idea to print out the first page of the Design Report, and theStress Graph so that you may compare thechanges with the changes of others. Simply overlay one stress graph overanother and you will be able to see the differences.Since I started this I will explain the changes I made to ARGUS with ArgusA: Iraised the stress level just a little at the 5"Station so that there was more of a smooth line going up to the 10" Station.Don't know that this matters much, but I did it more cane) so that the curve would be more steep comingdown, thereby involving less of the tip, or stiffening it. Adding moredimension to the 30" and 35" Stations meant there wasmore cane there to be able to use more of the full diameter of a 13/64ferrule. This could stand some more. By raising thesetwo dimensions I also had increased the stress all along the rest of the rodlength, so to compensate I had to add to most ofthe rest of the dimensions. I did this in varying degrees so as to change thecurve slightly, making the mid a little stiffer. On thebutt I just smoothed out the curve, though didn't add much cane, and sincethe other dimensions had been increased in themid the butt stresses were raised somewhat. Since the original had analuminum reel seat the dimension of .408 was not aproblem, but would be if one chose to use a wooden reel seat filler, hence myusing .382. M-D >FromKlingB@health.missouri.edu Tue Apr 17 19:38:10 2001 Received: from umhs-mail01.missouri.edu(umhs-mail01.health.missouri.edu [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) bywugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 17 Apr 200119:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: "'JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net'" , flyfish@defnet.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: Southbend #24 Date: Tue, 17 (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sender:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This message some or all of this message may not be legible. the trout in Australia? -----Original Message----- From: Jacques Follweiler rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re:Southbend #24 This has nothing todo with the Southbend #24 however I see in the USA Today where 24,000bottles of beer on a truck ended up in the TweedRiver north of Sydney. One man reportedly carrying off 400 bottles. I wonderif it was Foster beer?? Sure wish I were = I= sn't that just the way they feed the trout in = Australia? = -----Original Message----- Subject: Re:Southbend = #24 This has nothing to do with the Southbend #24 however I see in the USAToday = where 24,000 bottles of beer on a truck ended up in the TweedRiver north of Sydney. One man reportedly carrying off 400 bottles. I wonderif = it was Foster beer?? Sure wish I were somewhere near the =site.= Jack= Tue Apr 17 21:09:21 2001 Received: from wam.defnet.com Apr 2001 WAA28157 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:10:38 -0400 Message-ID: Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part messagein quoted-printable I wonder how the DNR guys will fine them if they foul hook abeer bottle? LOL Are those catch & release, or is there a creellimit on Browns. Tony Miller quoted-printable if they foul hook a beer bottle? = LOL Browns.Tony Miller flyfish@defnet.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Australian Beer --=====================_3005040==_.ALT I seem to remember Tony saying that they export the cr-p (specifically Fosters) and keep the all the good stuff for themselves.Rich At 09:23 PM 4/17/01, Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote:OK I know i said that these worthless posts should not be put here, but isbeer really a worthless post? I don't think so. If you guyswant some goodAusi beer get some James Boags. It is like heaven, Right Tony Y?Bret *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > ))):> --=====================_3005040==_.ALT I seem to remember Tony saying that they export the cr-p(specifically Fosters) and keep the all the good stuff forthemselves.Rich At 09:23 PM 4/17/01, Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote:OK I know i said that these worthless postsshould not be put here, but is guyswant some good Y?Bret *_____________ ___________________) @/ ||/ ____/||_________________________________________ p;/\ ; / bsp; --=====================_3005040==_.ALT-- from Grhghlndr@aol.com Tue Apr 17 21:36:43 2001 f3I2ahS05815 Subject: Gehrke rods Guys, Because of GGs last post to the list I sent him an e-mail blasting him me that he had not done this. I told him that there is a lot of controversy about what he is doing with rods and that I have heard nothing but negative remarks to that fact. You guys will never guess what he told me because of this e-mail. As I write this there is a rod on its way for me to evaluate and fish as hard as I want. I will report to you guys if you want to know what I see. I can tell you this, these rods do not sell for 4250.00 or whatever cheap price he originally was trying to sell them for. I told him that I will give him a fair and unbiased opinion as to what I thought of the rod in every respect. He e-mailed me today and said the rod is on its way. If anyone here wants to know I am going to do a product review in FlyFish America Magazine. I will get back to youy guys when I get the rod.bret from gjm80301@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 21:54:35 2001 f3I2sYS06494 19:54:37 PDT Subject: Re: Gehrke rods I don't get it. Why in the world would you do a review for him rather than one of theCONTRIBUTING members here? Explain the logic of that. Seems to me George can toot his own hornloud enough, thank you. My first and last post on the GG subject. --- Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote:Guys, Because of GGs last post to the list I sent him an e-mailblasting him informed me that he had not done this. I told him that there is a lot ofcontroversy about what he is doing with rods and that I have heard nothing butnegative remarks to that fact. You guys will never guess what he told mebecause of this e-mail. As I write this there is a rod on its way for me toevaluate and fish as hard as I want. I will report to you guys if you wantto know what I see. I can tell you this, these rods do not sell for4250.00 or whatever cheap price he originally was trying to sell them for. Itold him that I will give him a fair and unbiased opinion as to what Ithought of the rod in every respect. He e-mailed me today and said the rod is onits way. If anyone here wants to know I am going to do a product review inFlyFish America Magazine. I will get back to youy guys when I get the rod.bret __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great priceshttp://auctions.yahoo.com/ from richjez@enteract.com Tue Apr 17 22:08:33 2001 f3I38WS06986 Subject: Re: Gehrke rods --=====================_5200276==_.ALT Good for you!Rich At 09:36 PM 4/17/01, Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote:Guys,Because of GGs last post to the list I sent him an e-mail blasting him me that he had not done this. I told him that there is a lot of controversyabout what he is doing with rods and that I have heard nothing but negativeremarks to that fact. You guys will never guess what he told me becauseofthis e-mail. As I write this there is a rod on its way for me to evaluateand fish as hard as I want. I will report to you guys if you want to knowwhat I see. I can tell you this, these rods do not sell for 4250.00 orwhatever cheap price he originally was trying to sell them for. I told himthat I will give him a fair and unbiased opinion as to what I thought of therod in every respect. He e-mailed me today and said the rod is on its way.If anyone here wants to know I am going to do a product review in FlyFishAmerica Magazine. I will get back to youy guys when I get the rod.bret *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > ))):> --=====================_5200276==_.ALT Good for you!Rich At 09:36 PM 4/17/01, Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote:Guys, e-mail blasting him informed controversy about what he is doing with rods and that I have heard nothing butnegative because of to evaluate to know or told him that I will give him a fair and unbiased opinion as to what I thought ofthe If anyone here wants to know I am going to do a product review in FlyFish rod.bret *_____________ ___________________) @/ ||/ ____/||_________________________________________ p;/\ ; / bsp; --=====================_5200276==_.ALT-- from pmgoodwin@earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 22:09:56 2001 f3I39sS07124 UAA01686; Subject: Re: Gehrke rods Do you remember the story of Pandora's Box? You would not be the first person to do this. Do not open the package. Donot accept delivery. You will live to regret it if you do. Paul----- Original Message ----- Subject: Gehrke rods Guys,Because of GGs last post to the list I sent him an e-mail blasting him informedme that he had not done this. I told him that there is a lot ofcontroversyabout what he is doing with rods and that I have heard nothing butnegativeremarks to that fact. You guys will never guess what he told me becauseofthis e-mail. As I write this there is a rod on its way for me toevaluateand fish as hard as I want. I will report to you guys if you want to knowwhat I see. I can tell you this, these rods do not sell for 4250.00 orwhatever cheap price he originally was trying to sell them for. I toldhimthat I will give him a fair and unbiased opinion as to what I thought oftherod in every respect. He e-mailed me today and said the rod is on itsway.If anyone here wants to know I am going to do a product review in FlyFishAmerica Magazine. I will get back to youy guys when I get the rod.bret from flyfish@defnet.com Tue Apr 17 22:25:57 2001 f3I3PqS07769 Subject: Re: Gehrke Rods Call me IshmelWe will chase this around the maelstromand through perdition's flames.He asks me , he tasks me, and we shall have him. Tony Miller Call meIshmelWe will chase this around maelstrom flames.He asks me , he tasks me,and = him.This time I'll let captain Ahab= Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/= from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Apr 17 22:38:45 2001 f3I3chS08367 Subject: Re:Southbend #24 brand ofthe beer but if it was Fosters nobody would have bothered except to savetheriver from pollution from the stuff :-) The truck wound up in the Tweed on Good Friday and all weekend people werediving for the liquid gold. Wasn't till late Sunday afternoon the cops foundthis out but I'd think there was nothing left by then. The Tweed is on theborder of New South Wales and Queensland which I guess could be said to beNorth of Sydney.Manna from heaven? A sign? Tony At 04:38 PM 4/17/01 -0400, Jacques Follweiler wrote: This has nothing to do with the Southbend #24 however I see in the USATodaywhere 24,000 bottles of beer on a truck ended up in the Tweed River northofSydney. One man reportedly carrying off 400 bottles. I wonder if it wasFoster beer?? Sure wish I were somewhere near the site.Jack /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A man who works with his hands is a laborer.A man who works with his hands and brain is a craftsman.A man who works with his hands and brain and heart is an artist. As required in accordance with new draconian Australian copy right laws Igive express permission for anybody so wishing to copy or forward this message. /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Apr 17 22:42:04 2001 f3I3g2S08572 Subject: Re: Southbend #24 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu At 08:50 AM 4/18/01 +1000, Sean Mc Sharry wrote:Hi: Those beer scroungers have had to dive for them, but even so itisn't quite cricket! Sean YES IT IS! :- )/*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A man who works with his hands is a laborer.A man who works with his hands and brain is a craftsman.A man who works with his hands and brain and heart is an artist. As required in accordance with new draconian Australian copy right laws Igive express permission for anybody so wishing to copy or forward this message. /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Apr 17 22:43:22 2001 f3I3hKS08758 Subject: Re: Southbend #24 Please send money. We'll make our own thanks :-) At 06:55 PM 4/17/01 -0400, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote:you mean someone lost 24000 cans of BEER??? This is a tragedy! Instantaid must be sent to Austrailia immediately! Two or three Aussie Lads won't be able to drink tonight!mark /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A man who works with his hands is a laborer.A man who works with his hands and brain is a craftsman.A man who works with his hands and brain and heart is an artist. As required in accordance with new draconian Australian copy right laws Igive express permission for anybody so wishing to copy or forward this message. /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Apr 17 22:44:55 2001 f3I3irS08950 Subject: Re: Southbend #24 The only limit is the size of your truck :-) At 10:09 PM 4/17/01 -0400, Tony Miller wrote: I wonder how the DNR guys will fine themif they foul hook a beer bottle? LOLAre those catch & release, or is there a creel limit onBrowns.Tony Miller www.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A man who works with his hands is a laborer.A man who works with his hands and brain is a craftsman.A man who works with his hands and brain and heart is an artist. As required in accordance with new draconian Australian copy right laws Igive express permission for anybody so wishing to copy or forward this message. /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Apr 17 22:45:22 2001 f3I3jJS09046 Subject: Re: Australian Beer rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Mother's milk. At 10:23 PM 4/17/01 -0400, Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote:OK I know i said that these worthless posts should not be put here, but is beer really a worthless post? I don't think so. If you guyswant some good Ausi beer get some James Boags. It is like heaven, Right Tony Y?Bret /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A man who works with his hands is a laborer.A man who works with his hands and brain is a craftsman.A man who works with his hands and brain and heart is an artist. As required in accordance with new draconian Australian copy right laws Igive express permission for anybody so wishing to copy or forward this message. /*************************************************************************/ from richjez@enteract.com Tue Apr 17 23:24:20 2001 f3I4OKS10464 Subject: Re: Southbend #24 --=====================_1109474==_.ALT In Chicago we wait till a truck gets stuck on the snow before it is emptied. Usually it is done by underage high school kids. We stay dry thatway.Rich At 10:46 PM 4/17/01, Tony Young wrote:The only limit is the size of your truck :-) At 10:09 PM 4/17/01 -0400, Tony Miller wrote: I wonder how the DNR guys will fine themif they foul hook a beer bottle? LOLAre those catch & release, or is there a creel limit onBrowns.Tony Miller www.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A man who works with his hands is a laborer.A man who works with his hands and brain is a craftsman.A man who works with his hands and brain and heart is an artist. As required in accordance with new draconian Australian copy right laws Igiveexpress permission for anybody so wishing to copy or forward thismessage. /*************************************************************************/ *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > ))):> --=====================_1109474==_.ALT In Chicago we wait till a truck gets stuck on the snowbefore it is emptied. Usually it is done by underage high school kids. Westay dry that way.Rich At 10:46 PM 4/17/01, Tony Young wrote:The only limit is the size of your truck:-) At 10:09 PM 4/17/01 -0400, Tony Miller wrote: /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: A man who works with his hands is a laborer.A man who works with his hands and brain is a craftsman.A man who works with his hands and brain and heart is an artist. As required in accordance with new draconian Australian copy right lawsIgive express permission for anybody so wishing to copy or forward thismessage. /*************************************************************************/ *_____________ ___________________) @/ ||/ ____/||_________________________________________ p;/\ ; / bsp; --=====================_1109474==_.ALT-- from nobler@satx.rr.com Tue Apr 17 23:36:07 2001 f3I4a7S10807 f3I4a9rd001441; ,, "Rich Jezioro" Subject: Re: Australian Beer When we went to the U.K., I ordered 5 X's as the best I could get ! When inOz, only the home brew was better, and I was only allowed less than a pint !That's "dear" property !GMA from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Apr 17 23:52:48 2001 f3I4qlS11266 Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:52:46 -0700 Subject: Little engineering (mathematics) help, please Friends, Got a problem I can't quite get my brain around,although that's not too unusual, huh? I'm getting ready tostart on a handful of rods, and decided my forms needed agood touch-up. I started by cleaning everything well,taking the forms apart and using a good solvent. Then Ire-assembled everything, and started measuring. Here's my dilemna -- my forms no longer have aconsistent increase in the depth of the grooves. I'm sureit's either the result of filing out the scratches in theforms with a vixen file over the years, or of taking somefaulty measurements when I built them a few years back.Here's the data: Tip Side Station Depth Target Difference0 .022 .025 35 .0315 .030 OVER10 .034 .035 115 .037 .040 320 .0405 .045 4.525 .0425 .050 7.530 .0455 .055 9.535 .0525 .060 7.540 .0585 .065 6.545 .064 .070 650 .070 .075 555 .075 .080 560 .0785 .085 6.565 .081 .090 970 .083 .095 12 Butt Side Station Depth Target Difference 0 .0755 .080 4.55 .082 .085 310 .086 .090 415 .090 .095 520 .094 .100 625 .099 .105 630 .104 .110 635 .108 .115 740 .111 .120 945 .1135 .125 11.550 .119 .130 1155 .123 .135 1260 .1295 .140 10.565 .134 .145 1170 .146 .150 4 I know I can't do anything about the one tip sidestation that is already oversize, but there ought to be away to even out the tapered groove by selectively cutting ita little deeper with a triangular file glued to a block. Ijust can't quite figure out how to set it up. With my particular 60* file tool, the file startscutting when the deep end of the bars are .110" apart. Tostart cutting the groove a consistent .001" per inch deeper,I know that the measurement between bars should increase by.00577 at each station. Therefore, I should set the bars at.110 at the deep end, then .11577 (.116 is close enough forme), then .12154, then .12731, .13308, and so on till Ireach the shallow end.I haven't taken the measurements between the bars wherethe tip starts to cut, but figuring it mathematically itshould be about .1965 Where I have trouble is figuring out how to make thedepth increase by differing amounts in order to bring theforms back into line. It would be simple if on the tip sideI could just increase .003" at the "0" station, leave the"5" station alone, increase the "10" station by .001", andso on. But that won't work. Any ideas on how to get the groove back to a uniformincrease (decrease) in depth? Thanks in advance,Harry --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."-- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods --http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Wed Apr 18 00:26:14 2001 f3I5QDS12085 f3I5QGP14620 Subject: Re: Gehrke rods On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote: SNIP rod in every respect. He e-mailed me today and said the rod is on its way. If anyone here wants to know I am going to do a product review in FlyFish America Magazine. Will FF America publish a negative report if your evaluation is so? Will you risk the wrath of Kahn, er, I mean of George's lawyers if youpublish a bad review? Will an evaluation of one specially selected rod sent for a publishedreview be of value if positive? Especially with a product in which cosmetics play a major part of the review and which can have a widevariation. And most importantly, if I start running flat out tonight, can a safedistance from Pandora's box be achieved before it busts it's glue lines? Regards, Bob from petermckean@netspace.net.au Wed Apr 18 05:57:38 2001 f3IAvbS16348 f3IAvI029518; Subject: Re: To groove or not to groove Chris One of the huge advantages I find in holding the butt end of my strips witha spring clamp while I plane is that I can walk freely along the job as Iplane, and I have two hands free to control the plane orientation, and that from a better vantage point . That means that without any grooving of theplane sole, which I must say is a procedure about the logic of which I havenever been quite convinced, I am now able to spare my forms from most ofthedamage which I previously inflicted upon them. Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: To groove or not to groove When the bamboo strip projects above the form groove, higher then theblade depth setting, then the blade doesn't touch the form whether groovedor not, assuming the stroke is level. I thought the grooved feature wouldespecially come in handy for the final few passes when your blade normallyscrapes across the metal forms, but if a person switches to an ungroovedplane at that point, then what was the advantage of a grooved plane in thefirst place? One other thing to think about when deciding to groove a plane is theangle you hold your plane as it travels across the forms. I have minecanted with the back of the plane angled away from parallel because tuckingin my wrist brings discomfort after a while. With a groove do you have toremain more parallel then you do without the groove? I guess that woulddepend on the width of the grooved portion of the sole. It's probably time for someone to design an ergonomically correct plane.Some use those funky keyboards to prevent the wrist tuck. Chris M. from petermckean@netspace.net.au Wed Apr 18 06:04:44 2001 f3IB4hS16572 f3IB4b030314; Subject: Re:Southbend #24 Jacques Nah! If it was Foster's nobody would have bothered to cart away any =bottles at all, let alone 400! In fact, local legend has it that they actually PUMP the bloody stuff =staright out of the Tweed River into the bottles; they probably got =sprung doing it, and invented the whole truck thing as a cover story. It seems to me that if a truck actually did crash 24K bottles into the =Tweed, there would be a 10-day traffic jam while locals took advantage =of the smokescreen to dump about another squillion bottles they had =lying around their sheds and couldn't work out what to do with! Peter Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:38 AMSubject: Re:Southbend #24 This has nothing to do with the Southbend #24 however I see in the USA =Today where 24,000 bottles of beer on a truck ended up in the Tweed =River north of Sydney. One man reportedly carrying off 400 bottles. I =wonder if it was Foster beer?? Sure wish I were somewhere near the site.Jack Jacques Nah! If it was Foster's nobody would = to cart away any bottles at all, let alone 400! In fact, local legend has it that they = PUMP the bloody stuff staright out of the Tweed River into the bottles; = a cover story. It seems to me that if a truck actually= 24K bottles into the Tweed, there would be a 10-day traffic jam while = took advantage of the smokescreen to dump about another squillion = with! Peter ----- Original Message ----- Jacques Follweiler Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001= AMSubject: Re:Southbend#24 This has nothing to do with the = however I see in the USA Today where 24,000 bottles of beer on a truck = 400 bottles. I wonder if it was Foster beer?? Sure wish I were = the site.Jack from petesusan@fiam.net Wed Apr 18 08:39:54 2001 f3IDdrS19404 Subject: Replacing reel seat I have a bamboo rod, no real value but given to me by my Grandfather 40 =yrs ago. I would like to replace the reel seat and cork grip. Don't have =a glue how to begin. Any suggestions? Pete I have a bamboo rod, noreal = given to me by my Grandfather 40 yrs ago. I would like to replace the = and cork grip. Don't have a glue how to begin. Any =suggestions? Pete from canazon@mindspring.com Wed Apr 18 08:40:07 2001 f3IDe6S19430 Subject: re: southbend #24, jack,i believe that was a beer stocking, done by the australian =flyfishing federation. the idea is to get more people fishing the =rivers, but there was a problem in the hatchery. so, in lieu of fish, =what would you do to get an aussie down to the river?in a few weeks they will begin stocking 16 ouncers. jack, that = stocking, done by the australian flyfishing federation. the idea is to = people fishing the rivers, but there was a problem in the hatchery. = lieu of fish, what would you do to get an aussie down to the =river? few = will begin stocking 16 ouncers. mike from flyfish@defnet.com Wed Apr 18 09:33:27 2001 f3IEXQS21776 0400 Subject: Re: Replacing reel seat PeteCheck to see if the reel seat has a pin in it first.It will be obvious if it does. Then if it does have a pinyou will have to remove it. If the pin has a head on it like a nail, =just get under the head and pull up. If the pin is a piece of wire you =will have to take a small punch and push it in slightly to clear the =hole. Thenyou will have to heat the reel seat to loosen the glue.This can be done with a heat gun from your local hardware store. Be =careful and use some leather glovesto pull the old reel seat off. The heat loosens the glue.Cut the old cork off. Be careful not to cut into the rod blank. Remove =any excess glue with a knife and some 220 sand paper. Only sand the area =that you will be replacing the grip and reel seat on. Next you willglue the new cork grip on. You can either buy a premade cork grip or =form one out of cork rings. grip. You will have to ream it to fit the blank. This is done with a =piece of old graphite rod with sand glued to it. You can buy a set of =these or make them. Also you can use a course round wood file , but be =careful not to take out too much. Apply a quality wood glue such as =Titebond 2 . And slide the cork grip into place.Make sure you have it all marked out so you don't end up with a gap in =between the grip and reel seat. Wait 24hrs to dry. You are ready to =attach the reel seat.Test fit it on the rod. If the hole in the reel seat is larger than =the rod blank you will have to build the rod shaft up with a quality =masking tape. Wrap it neatly!Then mix up some Devcon 5 min. epoxy. Put some on the rod ( not to much)=and slide the reel seat on, making sure you have it in line. Hope this =helps.If you have any more questions , please feel free to contact me off =list. I will be more than happy to help.Tony Miller PeteCheck to see if the reel seat has a pin= first.It will be obvious if it does. Then if = have a pinyou will have to remove it. If the pin = on it like a nail, just get under the head and pull up. If the pin is a = wire you will have to take a small punch and push it in slightly to = you will have to heat the reel seat to = glue.This can be done with a heat gun from= hardware store. Be careful and use some leather glovesto pull the old reel seat off. The heat = the glue.Cut the old cork off. Be careful not to= the rod blank. Remove any excess glue with a knife and some = glue the new cork grip on. You can = premade cork grip or form one out of cork rings.If it is your first , I suggest buying a = grip. You will have to ream it to fit = course = glue such as Titebond 2 . And slide the cork grip into =place.Make sure you have it all marked out so= end up with a gap in between the grip and reel seat. Wait 24hrs to dry. = ready to attach the reel seat. = the rod shaft up with a quality masking tape. Wrap it =neatly! = seat on, making sure you have it in line. Hope this helps.If you have any more questions , please= to contact me off list. I will be more than happy to help.Tony Millerwww.homestead.com/= flyfish@defnet.com from Andrew_Harsanyi@ibi.com Wed Apr 18 09:40:18 2001 f3IEeES22210 2001 -0400 rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:38:52 -0400 Subject: RE: To groove or not to groove I haven't tried Marty's approach but it sounded like it would get you thatlast bit of accuracy that might be required to get the cane to the exactlevel of the forms with only a little risk to the forms. If you can set yourblade perfectly even with the non-grooved part of the sole of the plane,perhaps this would not be necessary. Otherwise there might be some veryslight difference between strips (perhaps negligible) as you guesstimate howmuch you are going to allow the strip to protrude from the forms. Sincegoing to a .003 groove, I haven't paid this slight difference muchattention, but I think with a scraper I can take some dust off and get itjust right without hurting the forms in the process. My disclaimer is that I have only made a few rods so far, so this is not from a whole lot of prior experience, but I think my rods have come outlooking ok (perhaps by accident if nothing else!) Andy -----Original Message----- McDowell Subject: Re: To groove or not to groove When the bamboo strip projects above the form groove, higher then thebladedepth setting, then the blade doesn't touch the form whether grooved ornot, assuming the stroke is level. I thought the grooved feature wouldespecially come in handy for the final few passes when your blade normallyscrapes across the metal forms, but if a person switches to an ungroovedplane at that point, then what was the advantage of a grooved plane in thefirst place? One other thing to think about when deciding to groove a plane is the angleyou hold your plane as it travels across the forms. I have mine cantedwith the back of the plane angled away from parallel because tucking in mywrist brings discomfort after a while. With a groove do you have to remainmore parallel then you do without the groove? I guess that would depend onthe width of the grooved portion of the sole. It's probably time for someone to design an ergonomically correct plane.Some use those funky keyboards to prevent the wrist tuck. Chris M. from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Wed Apr 18 10:04:50 2001 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) f3IF4nS23632 (5.5.2653.19) Subject: RE: Gehrke rods I think it's a great idea and I'd love to hear your findings. Sunlight is agreat disinfectant. -----Original Message----- Subject: Gehrke rods Guys, Because of GGs last post to the list I sent him an e-mail blasting him me that he had not done this. I told him that there is a lot of controversy about what he is doing with rods and that I have heard nothing but negative remarks to that fact. You guys will never guess what he told me because of this e-mail. As I write this there is a rod on its way for me to evaluate and fish as hard as I want. I will report to you guys if you want to know what I see. I can tell you this, these rods do not sell for 4250.00 or whatever cheap price he originally was trying to sell them for. I told him that I will give him a fair and unbiased opinion as to what I thought of the rod in every respect. He e-mailed me today and said the rod is on its way. If anyone here wants to know I am going to do a product review in FlyFish America Magazine. I will get back to youy guys when I get the rod.bret from Grhghlndr@aol.com Wed Apr 18 10:35:12 2001 f3IFZ6S25816 Subject: Re: Gehrke rods/My reasoning this is long Guys,I sent a post to blast him, he made the offer for me to see the rod and to try it out. Being that I have done a lot of evaluation of new products all think I may be someone who is going to give a fair and honest review. This is something I do. If anyone is so worried that he may be building better than what we are building then maybe those in question should reevaluate their own rods. The people who are wanting to know why I am not evaluating list members rods , I was never offered the chance to do this. I know this has pi--ed some of you off but don't you think that someone from this list would be one of the best to give this an honest evaluation. Guys his rods are selling for what most of you are selling them for so # 1 he did not build the $250.00 bamboo rod as he professed he could do and # 2 doyou think that he is going to cut into your own business with what he is doing? Oh and #3 I did this so I can tell all of you what the rod is like. There are many guys within less than 2 hours from me who are more than welcometo come with me and try this rod for yourselves. I can tell you one thing right now I have seen some rods by some of you and cast them and I really do not think he is going to hurt guys like John Z, Jeff W. ,Wayne C. ,A.J. Thramer or anyone else for that matter on this list. So I have one last thing to say the guys who are upset with me for this I guess I can only say you have every right to your opinion and I respect you for it. Can you guys give me the same respect for what I am trying to do here? That is to allay everyones fears as to ever worrying about what someone like GG is doing in the rod industry. For crying out loud I feel sometimes as if i am ariound a bunch of girls.A show of hands and this you can send to this list. If you want me to leave the list for this just put on here yay or nay and I will do what the status quo wants.Bret from dati@selway.umt.edu Wed Apr 18 10:36:33 2001 f3IFaWS25981 Subject: bass rod vs. trout rod I have only been fishing for bass a couple times and don't know muchabout it. Yet, I am curious what the difference between a bass rod and atrout rod is? Is the bass rod simply a stronger rod for throwing largebugs into the water? Thanks,Darin Law ******************************* Darin J. Law **** School of Forestry **** University of Montana **** Missoula, MT 59812 **** **** (406) 243-2472 ******************************* from jmpio@nhbm.com Wed Apr 18 10:43:21 2001 f3IFhKS26490 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Gehrke rods/My reasoning this is long On this list I have seen one comment about Gehrke's rods from someone whoactually handled one. I, for one, am quite interested to see what Bret hasto say after seeing, casting and fishing with one of these. Gehrke has beenblasted for everything, from powered tapering, to mixing culms, to justbeing an a***ole. In one sense all of those things, especially the last,are relevant to his value as a human being, and, possibly, as a rodmaker.But in another sense, it all comes down to whether his methods produce agood product. Bret, I look forward to an honest and thorough evaluation.And don't make us wait for some publication, post your conclusions here. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Gehrke rods/My reasoning this is long Guys,I sent a post to blast him, he made the offer for me to see the rod and to try it out. Being that I have done a lot of evaluation of new products you all think I may be someone who is going to give a fair and honest review. This is something I do. If anyone is so worried that he may be building better than what we are building then maybe those in question should reevaluate their own rods. The people who are wanting to know why I am not evaluating list members rods , I was never offered the chance to do this. I know this has pi--ed some of you off but don't you think that someone from this list would be one of the best to give this an honest evaluation. Guys his rods are selling for what most of you are selling them for so # 1 he did not build the $250.00 bamboo rod as he professed he could do and # 2 doyou think that he is going to cut into your own business with what he is doing? Oh and #3 I did this so I can tell all of you what the rod is like. There are many guys within less than 2 hours from me who are more than welcometo come with me and try this rod for yourselves. I can tell you one thingright now I have seen some rods by some of you and cast them and I really do not think he is going to hurt guys like John Z, Jeff W. ,Wayne C. ,A.J. Thramer or anyone else for that matter on this list. So I have one last thing tosay the guys who are upset with me for this I guess I can only say you haveevery right to your opinion and I respect you for it. Can you guys give me the same respect for what I am trying to do here? That is to allay everyones fears as to ever worrying about what someone like GG is doing in the rod industry. For crying out loud I feel sometimes as if i am ariound a bunchof girls.A show of hands and this you can send to this list. If you want me to leave the list for this just put on here yay or nay and I will do what the status quo wants.Bret from jmpio@nhbm.com Wed Apr 18 11:03:55 2001 f3IG3sS27782 Subject: Golden Gate Casting Club I will be in San Francisco for a few days in mid-May. No time to fish,really, but I was hoping to visit that icon of West Coast angling, theGolden Gate Casting Club. Maybe even see if I can get a casting lesson (Icould sure use one). I know the casting ponds are open to the public, but Ikind of wanted an "insiders" look at the place. Was wondering if any listpariticpants were members and/or casting instructors who would be willingtoact as tour guide and/or instructor (I'm willing to purchase a lesson).TIA, and sorry this is a bit off-topic (but if I manage to finish my firstrod by then, I may bring it along. There, now I'm on-topic *BG*) from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Apr 18 11:08:26 2001 f3IG8PS28083 Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:08:24 -0700 Subject: Re: bass rod vs. trout rod Darin,Yes, a bass rod is basically a rod for heavier line weights. But there'sa little more to it than that. Personally, I like a rod with a strong buttto make it easier to pick up the heavy bug and line. And a bass rod MUSTroll cast well, since much bass fishing is done in wooded areas. For thosereasons, I'd suggest something more along the lines of a Dickerson taper,rather than a parabolic. And I'd suggest keeping the rod at around 8' tomake it easier to maneuver in tight places. Harry Darin J Law wrote: I have only been fishing for bass a couple times and don't know muchabout it. Yet, I am curious what the difference between a bass rod and atrout rod is? Is the bass rod simply a stronger rod for throwing largebugs into the water? --Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Apr 18 11:11:40 2001 f3IGBdS28346 Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:11:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Golden Gate Casting Club James,Darryl Hayashida of this list has done some study ofcasting, and evenposted a note some time ago about Casting Clubs. Also, Ithink Per Brandin hassomething to do with the GGCC, but I could be wrong onthat... Harry jmpio@nhbm.com wrote: I will be in San Francisco for a few days in mid-May. No time to fish,really, but I was hoping to visit that icon of West Coast angling, theGolden Gate Casting Club. --Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from jerryy@webtv.net Wed Apr 18 11:25:45 2001 f3IGPjS29327 (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA11499; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:25:46 - ETAtAhQOH4AVL20hLc0lIaPnQElQumrShgIVAJpbnIoopPApHVL94DYYXeaN2Xu+ Subject: Re: Golden Gate Casting Club 0600 Go to Golden Gate Angling and Casting Club. They have an itineraryposted. www.ggacc.org/ Jerry Young from chris_wohlford@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 12:30:32 2001 f3IHUVS02095 2001 10:30:33 PDT Subject: Re: Golden Gate Casting Club James,There is a website at http://www.ggac.org Regards,Chris --- Harry Boyd wrote:James,Darryl Hayashida of this list has done somestudy ofcasting, and evenposted a note some time ago about Casting Clubs. Also, Ithink Per Brandin hassomething to do with the GGCC, but I could be wrongonthat... Harry jmpio@nhbm.com wrote: I will be in San Francisco for a few days inmid-May. No time to fish,really, but I was hoping to visit that icon ofWest Coast angling, theGolden Gate Casting Club. --Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great priceshttp://auctions.yahoo.com/ from chris_wohlford@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 12:35:51 2001 f3IHZoS02461 2001 10:35:53 PDT Subject: Re: Golden Gate Casting Club All,Sorry for the bad link. The correct link ishttp://www.ggacc.org/ The 2nd annual Retro Tournament is coming up in Junethis year. Bamboo & Fiberglass rods only. A lot ofnice rods showed up last year. Regards, Chris --- Harry Boyd wrote:James,Darryl Hayashida of this list has done somestudy ofcasting, and evenposted a note some time ago about Casting Clubs. Also, Ithink Per Brandin hassomething to do with the GGCC, but I could be wrongonthat... Harry jmpio@nhbm.com wrote: I will be in San Francisco for a few days inmid-May. No time to fish,really, but I was hoping to visit that icon ofWest Coast angling, theGolden Gate Casting Club. --Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great priceshttp://auctions.yahoo.com/ from dnorl@qwest.net Wed Apr 18 12:54:40 2001 f3IHseS03346 (63.228.44.28) Subject: Re: bass rod vs. trout rod You can land a fish with almost any rod. It depends on the strength of yourterminal tackle. Choose your bass rod on the basis of what you want to cast.In all likelyhood a heavier rod than a small trout rod. However a big watertrout rod (6-7 maybe even 8?) would certainly throw most poppers orclouserminnows.IMHODave-----Original Message----- Subject: bass rod vs. trout rod I have only been fishing for bass a couple times and don't know muchabout it. Yet, I am curious what the difference between a bass rod and atrout rod is? Is the bass rod simply a stronger rod for throwing largebugs into the water? Thanks,Darin Law ******************************* Darin J. Law **** School of Forestry **** University of Montana **** Missoula, MT 59812 **** **** (406) 243-2472 ******************************* from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Apr 18 12:54:42 2001 f3IHsgS03351 f3IHoSUd028598;Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:50:28 -0500 Subject: Re: bass rod vs. trout rod You'll try allot of bugging rods before you find a more pleasant rod thanthe PHY Texas General. It's semi-parabolic, and not for huge bugs, but it isthe best all around bass bugging taper I've tried, and it doesn't leave yourarm hanging down at the end of a day ! GMA from rextutor@about.com Wed Apr 18 13:26:28 2001 f3IIQRS04961 (NPlex 5.1.050) 2001 11:24:54 -0700 Subject: Oven Heating element question I am building an oven and trying to keep the costs down to reasonable. About the only thing I can’t find is the heating element. I am waiting for a call back from Hi-watt regarding mica heating strips as Wayne recommends . My question is: is there a substitute ? Can I use a straight heating element from and electric stove ? I was offered one from a place where they had thermostats. Would that work ? TIA Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com from darrell@rockclimbing.org Wed Apr 18 14:32:42 2001 f3IJWfS07827 forrodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, Subject: RE: Gehrke rods/My reasoning this is long rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Well Girlfriend, Don't get your hair in a tizzy!!! The girls just love to tease ya... Keepsthe list lively! Anyway, at the first GW Bishop Gathering 1 1/2 years ago, Mark metcalfbrought one of GG's rods for us to try out and inspect... I believe it wasrod #42 or around there... The rod was a decent casting rod but the finishwas 2nd rate, he missed a couple of spots under the guides where there wasno varnish... I guess he was a brusher at the time... Perhaps he's gone todipping by now... Also, I seem to recall he used NYLON and in some hideouscolors!!! I think he needs to visit my silk thread store... 8^) The fittings were otherwise first rate using an agate stripper, good NSferrules and a quality reel seat. I seem to recall a couple of comments ofwhat a waste to put such nice fittings on this rod... In the last 18 months, I'd expect his quality to have improved. If he'd usesome decent silk in a more stylish color and switch to dipping, he wouldprobably have a decent product. No, it is not up to the quality of the pro listers here... the GG rods maynever be but let's wait and see Bret's review to get an update as to thecurrent quality and aesthetics of the GG rods today. You go girlfriend! Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Gehrke rods/My reasoning this is long Guys,I sent a post to blast him, he made the offer for me to see the rod andto try it out. Being that I have done a lot of evaluation of new products youall think I may be someone who is going to give a fair and honest review.This is something I do. If anyone is so worried that he may be buildingbetter than what we are building then maybe those in question shouldreevaluate their own rods. The people who are wanting to know why I am notevaluating list members rods , I was never offered the chance to do this. Iknow this has pi--ed some of you off but don't you think that someone fromthis list would be one of the best to give this an honest evaluation. Guyshis rods are selling for what most of you are selling them for so # 1 he didnot build the $250.00 bamboo rod as he professed he could do and # 2 doyouthink that he is going to cut into your own business with what he is doing?Oh and #3 I did this so I can tell all of you what the rod is like. Thereare many guys within less than 2 hours from me who are more than welcometocome with me and try this rod for yourselves. I can tell you one thingrightnow I have seen some rods by some of you and cast them and I really do notthink he is going to hurt guys like John Z, Jeff W. ,Wayne C. ,A.J. Thrameror anyone else for that matter on this list. So I have one last thing tosaythe guys who are upset with me for this I guess I can only say you haveeveryright to your opinion and I respect you for it. Can you guys give me thesame respect for what I am trying to do here? That is to allay everyonesfears as to ever worrying about what someone like GG is doing in the rodindustry. For crying out loud I feel sometimes as if i am ariound a bunchofgirls.A show of hands and this you can send to this list. If you want me to leavethe list for this just put on here yay or nay and I will do what the statusquo wants.Bret from atlasc1@earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 14:36:24 2001 f3IJaNS08168 MAA19333; Subject: Re: Gehrke rods/My reasoning this is long I do not know why someone would be upset with a review of GG rods. I thinkan honest review would be helpful. Maybe we would then just show ourdispleasure with him personelly not his rods. I think you would review hisrods and give your honest opionion. If he is making a fine rod the better crap. I am looking forward to your review. I hope you put it through itspaces. Keep us informed, I wonder if his is the Weakest Link? Good bye Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Gehrke rods/My reasoning this is long Guys,I sent a post to blast him, he made the offer for me to see the rodandto try it out from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Wed Apr 18 15:19:33 2001 f3IKJRS10644 [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) (5.5.2653.19) Subject: RE: bass rod vs. trout rod Howdy Darin -- Are you in Montana? Here in Texas, we likes our bass biiiiiggggg. Sorry,I'm not really a native Texan, I just like to pretend for fun. Here, we have two extremes regarding types of rods we use for bass fishing.In smaller ponds and lakes, and in most of the slow, warmwater rivers thathold bass, we use rods around a 6 wt average. We cast lots of woolybuggers, clousers, and so forth that are not all that wind-resistant orheavy. On the other end of the range, we have some huge lakes with heavycover that have huge bass. We fish for them with string leeches, largezonkers, enormous dahlbergs and deer hair poppers, and a 10 wt is not toomuch rod sometimes. Wind can be an issue down here along the coast. Theheavy rod is sometimes REQUIRED to drag fish out of stumps and thickweeds,on a very heavy tippet (what you'd call the butt of a leader on a 4wt.....). On average, I use my 8 wt more often than any other, because it will castmost flies at least 60 ft, and with great accuracy. And unless you're outhog hunting, it's more fun to catch most bass on a lighter rod. A one- lbbass on your 10 wt is not all that thrilling, but on the 6, it's pretty fun.Now make that a four pounder..... Many people like a faster rod when fishing for bass, claiming they need moreline speed to get the hairy bugs out. I disagree. I think that bass bugshave a terminal velocity, and that trying to exceed that velocity will onlyoverload the rod and cause the most horrendous tailing loops you could everenvision. It takes a very good caster to use a fast rod and keep the top ofthe loop where it belongs. You have to consciously cast "over the top" ofthe rod, not stopping the rod tip high as you normally do. All a matter ofwhat works for you, though. IMHO -- TAM -----Original Message----- Subject: bass rod vs. trout rod I have only been fishing for bass a couple times and don't know muchabout it. Yet, I am curious what the difference between a bass rod and atrout rod is? Is the bass rod simply a stronger rod for throwing largebugs into the water? Thanks,Darin Law ******************************* Darin J. Law **** School of Forestry **** University of Montana **** Missoula, MT 59812 **** **** (406) 243-2472 ******************************* from splitcane@home.com Wed Apr 18 15:58:33 2001 f3IKwOS13046 ;Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:58:20 -0700 , Subject: Re: Gehrke rods/My reasoning this is long RIGHT ON DARRELL!!! Old GG must be rolling over with laughter in his barnover this one, thats a lot of bang for his buck ( or e-mail in this case )Dave Collyer------------------------------------------------------------------- Bret------------------------------------------------------------------Well Girlfriend,Don't get your hair in a tizzy!!! The girls just love to tease ya... Keepsthe list lively!Darrell Lee--------------------------------------------------------- --------- from splitcane@home.com Wed Apr 18 16:15:17 2001 f3ILFHS13817 ;Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:15:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Replacing reel seat Hi Pete, Tony gave you some great info on removal, here's a few tricks I =use. Submerge the reel seat in boiling water for 15/20 seconds and =remove with a leather glove on your hand, if the seat has a wood insert =and you want to keep it undamaged place the seat in a plastic bag before =you submerge. The boiling water provides a controlled and total damp =heat that will not hurt the seat you are removing, someday you might =want to restore the rod back or have a friend that is in need. I also =use Gorilla glue to attach the grip and seat, expands to fill the gaps, =hold just as well and is easier to remove if necessary... I have a bamboo rod, no real value but given to me by my Grandfather =40 yrs ago. I would like to replace the reel seat and cork grip. Don't =have a glue how to begin. Any suggestions? Pete Hi Pete, Tony gave you some great info on removal, = few tricks I use. Submerge the reel seat in boiling water for 15/20 = remove with a leather glove on your hand, if the seat has a wood insert = want to keep it undamaged place the seat in a plastic bag before you = The boiling water provides a controlled and total damp heat that will = the seat you are removing, someday you might want to restore the rod = have a friend that is in need. I also use Gorilla glue to attach the = if necessary... I have a bamboo rod, no = given to me by my Grandfather 40 yrs ago. I would like to replace the = suggestions? Pete from dannyt@frisurf.no Wed Apr 18 16:30:55 2001 f3ILUsS14590 +0200 (MET DST)User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh- Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: Oven Heating element question f3ILUtS14591 Hi Rex, I got a buch of 1,5m heating element from a stove factory here in town. Iasked the adm.tech. how much heat they would produce, and he told me theygoup to at least 500C. I have not yet built the oven, but I'm sure they'resuitable for the work. Best regardsdanny From: "Rex Tutor" Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:28:54 -0600 Subject: Oven Heating element question I am building an oven and trying to keep the costs down toreasonable. About the only thing I can’t find is the heating element.I am waiting for a call back from Hi-watt regarding mica heatingstrips as Wayne recommends . My question is: is there a substitute ?Can I use a straight heating element from and electric stove ? I wasoffered one from a place where they had thermostats. Would thatwork ? TIA Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com from cmj@post11.tele.dk Wed Apr 18 16:58:52 2001 f3ILwpS15760 +0200 Subject: Sv: Gehrke rods f3ILwqS15761 Guys A lot has been said about GG - no more needed.All anyone could ask for is a fair deal- let us giveBret and his test of GG's rod just that.No need to take a vote - nothing to vote about.Bret is testing a rod and, hopefully, telling thelist about it. How can this make anyonesblood pressure rise? regards, carsten from sats@gte.net Wed Apr 18 17:31:23 2001 f3IMVNS16849 Subject: Re: To groove or not to groove With a groove do you have to remain more parallel then you do without thegroove? I guess that would depend on the width of the grooved portion ofthe sole. That's right. it can be as wide as you want it as long as the two sides willrest on the form. But I wouldn't go much beyond 2/3 of the full size of theplane. As for a re- design, I think Tony Fry is starting to look into that.--------------- -------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats from Lazybee45@aol.com Wed Apr 18 17:47:11 2001 f3IMlAS17471 Subject: going to Ohio! I guess i am going to Dayton/springfield Ohio after all on the 28-29 April. Would the guys who contacted me please do so again, POSSIBLy I could meet them for a bit of fishing or something. Can't promise, but it would be nice eh?mark from TSmithwick@aol.com Wed Apr 18 17:49:22 2001 f3IMnHS17678 Subject: RE: bass rod vs. trout rod RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu In a message dated 4/18/1 8:20:30 PM, Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.comwrites: I feel the same way, and strongly prefer a slower rod for casting big bugs. It's amazing how much difference this makes. It changes casting the things from a chore to a pleasure. You will also notice a big difference if you fish a longer line with a big bug. A short line, even a heavy one, does not have enough mass to get the bug flying. from beadman@mac.com Wed Apr 18 18:43:51 2001 f3INhoS19022 0700 Subject: RE: Gehrke rods/My reasoning this is long At 10:30 AM -0700 , 4/18/01, Darrell Lee wrote about RE: Gehrke rods/My reasoning this is long No, it is not up to the quality of the pro listers here... the GG rods maynever be but let's wait and see Bret's review to get an update as to thecurrent quality and aesthetics of the GG rods today. This statement raised a question for me: perhaps Bret's review should compare the Gehrke rod to a PRODUCTION rod of the past, instead of the artistic products of the list members. The only rods of these I've seen have been Chris Bogart's, and they are truly works of art. Since I've never seen a production rod in new condition, I'm curious how Gehrke's would compare to that... Claude from oakmere@carol.net Wed Apr 18 18:58:47 2001 f3INwlS19534 Subject: RE: Gerke Rods Bret and others: It is my opinion that there is nothing wrong with evaluating one of theGerke rods. Bret's suggestion of having others come and also evaluate it isalso a good idea. More thoughts and ideas the better. Isn't that whathappens at the Rodmakers get togethers - learn and evaluate. Seems like agood approach. The plastic rod community sure takes this approach andpublishes the stuff - some good some bad, some I agree with and some Idon't. It is my opinion that it will be good for all of us to know theevaluated quality of one of the Gerke rods. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutbeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work); 864-656-7471oakmere@carol.net (home); 864-882-0077 from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Apr 18 19:16:01 2001 f3J0G0S20093 f3J0BYUd026751;Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:11:34 -0500 Subject: Re: bass rod vs. trout rod Adding one other thing to Troy's explanation, think of the line doing thework even more so, when it comes to hauling a bug out there against thewind! Our coastal winds can be mean too ! Here's where the slower rod does itswork, as you must wait for the "tug" during the back cast while the largerline does the work ! I've also been known to use my PHY Midge for an afternoons bream bag ! GMA from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 21:12:56 2001 f3J2CuS22478 2001 19:12:59 PDT Subject: RE: bass rod vs. trout rod let's see...terminal velocity is when the big hair bughits you in the back of the head, right? :-) timothy --- "Miller, Troy" wrote:Howdy Darin -- Are you in Montana? Here in Texas, we likes ourbass biiiiiggggg. Sorry,I'm not really a native Texan, I just like topretend for fun. Here, we have two extremes regarding types of rodswe use for bass fishing.In smaller ponds and lakes, and in most of the slow,warmwater rivers thathold bass, we use rods around a 6 wt average. Wecast lots of woolybuggers, clousers, and so forth that are not allthat wind-resistant orheavy. On the other end of the range, we have somehuge lakes with heavycover that have huge bass. We fish for them withstring leeches, largezonkers, enormous dahlbergs and deer hair poppers,and a 10 wt is not toomuch rod sometimes. Wind can be an issue down herealong the coast. Theheavy rod is sometimes REQUIRED to drag fish out ofstumps and thick weeds,on a very heavy tippet (what you'd call the butt ofa leader on a 4wt.....). On average, I use my 8 wt more often than any other,because it will castmost flies at least 60 ft, and with great accuracy. And unless you're outhog hunting, it's more fun to catch most bass on alighter rod. A one- lbbass on your 10 wt is not all that thrilling, but onthe 6, it's pretty fun.Now make that a four pounder..... Many people like a faster rod when fishing for bass,claiming they need moreline speed to get the hairy bugs out. I disagree. I think that bass bugshave a terminal velocity, and that trying to exceedthat velocity will onlyoverload the rod and cause the most horrendoustailing loops you could everenvision. It takes a very good caster to use a fastrod and keep the top ofthe loop where it belongs. You have to consciouslycast "over the top" ofthe rod, not stopping the rod tip high as younormally do. All a matter ofwhat works for you, though. IMHO -- TAM -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: bass rod vs. trout rod I have only been fishing for bass a couple times anddon't know muchabout it. Yet, I am curious what the differencebetween a bass rod and atrout rod is? Is the bass rod simply a stronger rod bugs into the water? Thanks,Darin Law ******************************* Darin J. Law **** School of Forestry **** University of Montana **** Missoula, MT 59812 **** **** (406) 243-2472 ******************************* ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great priceshttp://auctions.yahoo.com/ from Grhghlndr@aol.com Wed Apr 18 21:23:15 2001 f3J2NFS22814 Subject: RE: Gerke Rods Guys,here is what I will do. I do not think that any of you have anything to worry about. GG told me this is a production rod like Heddon, So.bend and others made. I have a brand new old stock Heddon rod I will compare this to. This ia where the evaluation will come from. If the rod sucks i will tell you all if it is OK i will tell you that as well. If the guys who are worried want me to i will compare it to what you are making as well. Just send me a rod to look at and I will guard it with my life. Or bring one of your rods to my house and compare yours to this rod. I do not intend to hold anything back if this rod sucks either.Bret from Nodewrrior@aol.com Wed Apr 18 21:51:14 2001 f3J2pDS23536