from horsesho@ptd.net Fri Jun 1 05:05:31 2001 f51A5UT09678 sender ) Subject: Re: Rod Identification Yes it sounds like an HI as they used mostly white ink to mark the rods. Butcould also be a Montague . Both companys made many trade rods that thehardware or sporting goods store that sold them would have them markedwhateverthey wanted. Marty Tom Bowden wrote: A friend showed me a rod that his grandfather bought for his dad back inthe 30's or 40's. They lived in New Jersey. It's an 8' 3 piece made oflightly flamed cane with a few dark spots. Node spacing is random with afew nodes on adjoining strips. No major glue lines. The reel seat is ascrew downlock with the front hood attached to the locking nut - appearstobe nickle plated brass with an aluminum spacer. There's a groove on theback of the reel seat. The ferrules are nickle plated brass with"shoulders" - look a lot like the Montague ferrules shown in Sinclair'sbook. Wraps are red with 4 narrow white signature wraps around a redband.The only marking on the rod is "Mountaineer" hand- written in white ink (nowhas a cream/gold coloration due to varnish). One of the ferrules iscracked, but I was able to assemble the rod & it appears to have a niceslow action with good tip recovery. My guess is that this is a Montague, or maybe an H-I that was madespecially for someone. There are no "Mountaineer" models listed anywhereinSinclair's book. Is anyone familiar with a rod like this? Thanks Tom from bob@downandacross.com Fri Jun 1 07:04:39 2001 f51C4cT10937 Jun 2001 08:03:34 -0400 Subject: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp --=====================_3221657==_.ALT HI all:Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of course these items are available other places, so no financial interest).1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic for removing glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent, and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shape allows pretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having always used my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by the lamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It is faster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I am being careful to use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and viceversa) Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_3221657==_.ALT HI all:Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of coursethese items are available other places, so no financial interest). 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic forremoving glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent,and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shapeallows pretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having always usedmy noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by thelamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It isfaster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I ambeing careful to use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and viceversa) Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com,your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders,sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716- 867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_3221657==_.ALT-- from jmpio@nhbm.com Fri Jun 1 08:47:01 2001 f51Dl0T13864 Subject: RE: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understandthis format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Haven't used the gun, but for this newbie node straightening is a timeconsuming process. Heat, press, sight, heat, press, sight, heat, press,sight, move to next node. As a result I like to turn on some music whiledoing it. The heat gun would make this impossible. Imagine straighteningthe strips (or maybe you have) for a 3 piece, 2 tip with a heat gun blastingthe whole time. I guess the upside is it would eventually start to warm upmy unheated shop. -----Original Message----- Subject: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp HI all:Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of course theseitems are available other places, so no financial interest). 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic forremoving glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent, andthey seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shape allowspretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having always used mynoisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by the lamp. Ifound it much easier to control the application of heat. It is faster andmuch quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I am being careful touse the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and viceversa) Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com , the onlinemagazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com , yoursource mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716- 836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com Haven't used the gun, but for this newbie node to 3 is it would eventually start to warm up my unheatedshop. -----Original Message-----From: Bob Maulucci 6:04 Survey: Heat gun vs. LampHI all:Two things to share afterhaving received a big tool order. (Of course these items are available other places, so no financial interest). 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic for removing glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent, and they seem to be very gentle, removing only theglue. Their shape allows pretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having always used my noisy heat gun. I have toadmit, I am thoroughly impressed by the lamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It is faster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I am being careful to use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and vice versa)Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source forhex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from dryfly@erols.com Fri Jun 1 09:33:30 2001 f51EXUT15562 ([208.58.203.233] helo=erols.com) Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp --------------D69DD104BB9E901D3EA6E28C Bob I agree about the triangular scrapers, they work great. I've continued to use a heat gun from my straightening after I brownedup an area on a blank using a alcohol lamp. Since then the only use thelamp gets it when I singe the wraps before applying the first coat ofvarnish. Since you brought up tools, I'll give praise to Dave LeClair's ferrulestation cutters. I used them on a rod the other night and they workedgreat. It saves so much time over turning the stations the traditionalway in my metal lathe and all the fit checking that goes with it. Touse the cutters, I first scored the cane where I wanted the cut to stop,applied some masking tape as a stop and to prevent a splintering beyondthe area to be cut, I used a 13/64 cutter to knock down the edges andthen I used a 12/64 cutter, the size to match the ferrules and after alittle sandpaper, the ferrules fit fine. After using the ferrulestation cutters, I'm even considering buying the reel seat stationcutters. Great tools may this hobby much more enjoyable. I must be getting oldor I'm turning in to my dad, who would have guessed I'd ever get exitedover tools. Next thing you know, I'll be spending idle time at Lowesor Home Depot. Bob Williams Bob Maulucci wrote: HI all:Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of coursethese items are available other places, so no financial interest).1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic forremoving glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent,and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shapeallows pretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having alwaysused my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed bythe lamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat.It is faster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench,and I am being careful to use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and viceversa) Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadratebamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories,and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --------------D69DD104BB9E901D3EA6E28C BobI agree about the triangular scrapers, they work great.I've continued to use a heat gun from my straightening after I browned the lamp gets it when I singe the wraps before applying the first coatof varnish.Since you brought up tools, I'll give praise to Dave LeClair's ferrule To use the cutters, I first scored the cane where I wanted the cut to stop,applied some masking tape as a stop and to prevent a splintering beyondthe area to be cut, I used a 13/64 cutter to knock down the edges and thenI used a 12/64 cutter, the size to match the ferrules and after a little cutters, I'm even considering buying the reel seat station cutters. old or I'm turning in to my dad, who would have guessed I'd ever get exited at Lowes or Home Depot.Bob WilliamsBob Maulucci wrote: Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of coursethese items are available other places, so no financial interest).1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic forremoving glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent,and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shape allowspretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having alwaysused my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by thelamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It isfaster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I ambeing careful to use the right fuel.Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and viceversa) BobMaulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com,your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders,sherlinelathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867- 0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --------------D69DD104BB9E901D3EA6E28C-- from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Fri Jun 1 10:22:35 2001 f51FMWT17660 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp Hi Bob,I have both. At the present time though, I am using steam for nodeflattening. I use the lamp and/or heat gun for any other chore. Who is GW? I would like to find out more about those scrapers. Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com bob@downandacross.com wrote: HI all: Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of coursethese items are available other places, so no financial interest). 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic forremoving glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent,and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shapeallows pretty nice precision. 2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having always usedmy noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by thelamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It isfaster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I ambeing careful to use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and viceversa) Bob Maulucci ================================================== http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmaking http://www.downandacross.com,your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders,sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more 218 Wallace Avenue Buffalo, NY 14216 716-836-8297 home 716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.net bob@downandacross.com from atlasc1@earthlink.net Fri Jun 1 11:26:00 2001 f51GPxT21395 JAA07391 Subject: Re: Balance This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I have always found the notion of stationary rod balance an interesting =one. Casting and playing fish are the most important actions of the rod =why do we spend so much time trying to balance rods on our index fingers =looking for a balance point. We all now that the dynamic action of a =fly rod while casting changes the point of balance instantaneously. Not =only is the balance of the rod changed constantly due to the =acceleration/deceleration of the tip and mid section it is changed by =the actively changing weight of the line as the length is increased and =decreased. What is perceived as "balanced" while resting it on an index =finger does not translate into "balanced" while it is in action. The =fact of the matter is a heavy reel or adding weight to a reel seat may =feel balanced when holding it still, it tends to rob the rod of its =potential in casting. The trend nowadays is light rods and heavy reels, =This is a mistake. Vince Marinaro spelled it out quite well in his book =In the Ring of the Rise. He speaks on this very issue of balanced =rods, heavy reels and weighted reel seats. He tells of Leonard breaking =all casting records in his day by doing something different in his =tournament casting. Leonard came up onto the casting platform with rod =in hand with no reel, he put the line onto the floor and broke many =records in distance casting. What he had found out that others hadn't =was a heavy reel dampens the rods action and thus robs it of some of =its potential energy. Go out and cast your rods with a heavy reel and no =reel and note the distance you can cast as well as the action of the rod =and the energy required to cast. I did this twenty years ago and have =always looked for light reels for my rods. Light reels I recommend is =Hardy light weight series, Ross Colorado, Tibor light trout series and =Bill Ballans heirloom and classic reels (they are not the lightest but =sometime tradition prevails). Sorry about the length, Adam Vigil Chino, CA. I have always found the notion of = important actions of the rod why do we spend so much time trying to = instantaneously. Not only is the balance of the rod changed constantly = the acceleration/deceleration of the tip and mid section it is changed = of the matter is a heavy reel or adding weight to a reel seat may feel = mistake. Vince Marinaro spelled it out quite well in his book In the = reels and weighted reel seats. He tells of Leonard breaking all casting = came up onto the casting platform with rod in hand with no reel, he put = onto the floor and broke many records in distance casting. What he had = it of some of its potential energy. Go out and cast your rods with a = and no reel and note the distance you can cast as well as the action of = always looked for light reels for my rods. Light reels I recommend is = light weight series, Ross Colorado, Tibor light trout series and Bill = heirloom and classic reels (they are not the lightest but sometime = prevails). Sorry about the length, Adam Vigil Chino,CA. from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 12:14:18 2001 f51HEHT23758 2001 10:14:15 PDT Subject: Re: Balance This all fine and dandy. I've seen this argumentbefore and IMHO its predicated on a casting tournamentwhere distance is all important and not fishing for 8hours at a stretch. Have you ever taken a 9' cane rodand fished it with a real light reel, making ittip-heavy to begin with, and cast that for 5, 6 or 7hours? By the end of the day my arm felt like lead.Sure you're robbing the rod of some of its potential making the total load, coming from the front part ofthe rod, easier to handle. Practical experienceteaches that there is a range of weight with which arod can be most effectively used. Too little weightand your putting extra stress on your arm, too muchweight and your stressing a different set of muscles. In terms of distance, unless we are talking aboutsteelheading or saltwater fishing (maybe putting thereel in a holder or pocket would help with distance inthese cases) most of don't need to cast much beyond50' and a decent cane rod with even a heavier reel canaccomplish that without wiping out your arm. Whatwe're doing by establishing the static balance pointwith the finger under the grip, is to establish a goodstarting point for the swaying forces that take placewhile casting. I for one, am not willing to give upthe notion of balance, just to cast 80' with a #20 flythat I can't see at that distance anyway. --- Adam Vigil wrote:I have always found the notion of stationary rodbalance an interesting one. Casting and playingfish are the most important actions of the rod whydo we spend so much time trying to balance rods onour index fingers looking for a balance point. Weall now that the dynamic action of a fly rod whilecasting changes the point of balanceinstantaneously. Not only is the balance of the rodchanged constantly due to theacceleration/deceleration of the tip and mid sectionit is changed by the actively changing weight of theline as the length is increased and decreased. Whatis perceived as "balanced" while resting it on anindex finger does not translate into "balanced"while it is in action. The fact of the matter is aheavy reel or adding weight to a reel seat may feelbalanced when holding it still, it tends to rob therod of its potential in casting. The trend nowadaysis light rods and heavy reels, This is a mistake.Vince Marinaro spelled it out quite well in his bookIn the Ring of the Rise. He speaks on this veryissue of balanced rods, heavy reels and weightedreel seats. He tells of Leonard breaking all castingrecords in his day by doing something different inhis tournament casting. Leonard came up onto thecasting platform with rod in hand with no reel, heput the line onto the floor and broke many recordsin distance casting. What he had found out thatothers hadn't was a heavy reel dampens the rodsaction and thus robs it of some of its potentialenergy. Go out and cast your rods with a heavy reeland no reel and note the distance you can cast aswell as the action of the rod and the energyrequired to cast. I did this twenty years ago andhave always looked for light reels for my rods.Light reels I recommend is Hardy light weightseries, Ross Colorado, Tibor light trout series andBill Ballans heirloom and classic reels (they arenot the lightest but sometime tradition prevails). Sorry about the length, Adam Vigil Chino, CA. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from DNHayashida@aol.com Fri Jun 1 14:25:38 2001 f51JPbT27679 Subject: Re: Balance --part1_77.1588a974.2849461f_boundary I was composing a rebuttal to Adam's post when Bill's post came through. Couldn't have said it better myself. Big difference between casting for distance and casting for fishing. Why don't the tournament casters take the reel off of their rods for distance if it helps? They already strip all the line off the reels an lay it out on the floor.Darryl In a message dated 6/1/01 10:15:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wlwalter77us@yahoo.com writes:This all fine and dandy. I've seen this argumentbefore and IMHO its predicated on a casting tournamentwhere distance is all important and not fishing for 8hours at a stretch. Have you ever taken a 9' cane rodand fished it with a real light reel, making ittip-heavy to begin with, and cast that for 5, 6 or 7hours? By the end of the day my arm felt like lead.Sure you're robbing the rod of some of its potential making the total load, coming from the front part ofthe rod, easier to handle. Practical experienceteaches that there is a range of weight with which arod can be most effectively used. Too little weightand your putting extra stress on your arm, too muchweight and your stressing a different set of muscles. In terms of distance, unless we are talking aboutsteelheading or saltwater fishing (maybe putting thereel in a holder or pocket would help with distance inthese cases) most of don't need to cast much beyond50' and a decent cane rod with even a heavier reel canaccomplish that without wiping out your arm. Whatwe're doing by establishing the static balance pointwith the finger under the grip, is to establish a goodstarting point for the swaying forces that take placewhile casting. I for one, am not willing to give upthe notion of balance, just to cast 80' with a #20 flythat I can't see at that distance anyway. --- Adam Vigil wrote:I have always found the notion of stationary rodbalance an interesting one. Casting and playingfish are the most important actions of the rod whydo we spend so much time trying to balance rods onour index fingers looking for a balance point. Weall now that the dynamic action of a fly rod whilecasting changes the point of balanceinstantaneously. Not only is the balance of the rodchanged constantly due to theacceleration/deceleration of the tip and mid sectionit is changed by the actively changing weight of theline as the length is increased and decreased. Whatis perceived as "balanced" while resting it on anindex finger does not translate into "balanced"while it is in action. The fact of the matter is aheavy reel or adding weight to a reel seat may feelbalanced when holding it still, it tends to rob therod of its potential in casting. The trend nowadaysis light rods and heavy reels, This is a mistake.Vince Marinaro spelled it out quite well in his bookIn the Ring of the Rise. He speaks on this veryissue of balanced rods, heavy reels and weightedreel seats. He tells of Leonard breaking all castingrecords in his day by doing something different inhis tournament casting. Leonard came up onto thecasting platform with rod in hand with no reel, heput the line onto the floor and broke many recordsin distance casting. What he had found out thatothers hadn't was a heavy reel dampens the rodsaction and thus robs it of some of its potentialenergy. Go out and cast your rods with a heavy reeland no reel and note the distance you can cast aswell as the action of the rod and the energyrequired to cast. I did this twenty years ago andhave always looked for light reels for my rods.Light reels I recommend is Hardy light weightseries, Ross Colorado, Tibor light trout series andBill Ballans heirloom and classic reels (they arenot the lightest but sometime tradition prevails). Sorry about the length, Adam Vigil Chino, CA. --part1_77.1588a974.2849461f_boundary I was composing a rebuttal to Adam's post when Bill's post camethrough. Couldn't have said it better myself. Big difference between casting for distance and casting for fishing. Why don't the tournament casterstake the reel off of their rods for distance if it helps? They already strip all the line off the reels an lay it out on the floor.Darryl In a message dated 6/1/01 10:15:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wlwalter77us@yahoo.com writes:This all fine and dandy. I've seen this argumentbefore and IMHO its predicated on a casting tournamentwhere distance is all important and not fishing for 8hours at a stretch. Have you ever taken a 9' cane rodand fished it with a real light reel, making ittip-heavy to begin with, and cast that for 5, 6 or 7hours? By the end of the day my arm felt like lead.Sure you're robbing the rod of some of its potential making the total load, coming from the front part ofthe rod, easier to handle. Practical experienceteaches that there is a range of weight with which arod can be most effectively used. Too little weightand your putting extra stress on your arm, too muchweight and your stressing a different set of muscles. In terms of distance, unless we are talking aboutsteelheading or saltwater fishing (maybe putting thereel in a holder or pocket would help with distance inthese cases) most of don't need to cast much beyond50' and a decent cane rod with even a heavier reel canaccomplish that without wiping out your arm. Whatwe're doing by establishing the static balance pointwith the finger under the grip, is to establish a goodstarting point for the swaying forces that take placewhile casting. I for one, am not willing to give upthe notion of balance, just to cast 80' with a #20 flythat I can't see at that distance anyway. --part1_77.1588a974.2849461f_boundary-- from live2huntfish@yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 14:36:50 2001 f51JanT28317 (216.241.172.138) Subject: RE: Balance This is a very unscientific guess, but is it possible that in fishing thebalance of the rod is more important than in tournament casting because ifthe fishing is done well, the majority of the time is spent holding(balancing) the rod while the fly is on the water, not continually casting.I know if I cast a lot my arm gets tired, but if I fish a long time with atip heavy rod (not balanced with enough weight behind my hand) my wristgetstired. Seems like we may be debating apples and oranges. Al Rittlive2huntfish@yahoo.com -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Balance This all fine and dandy. I've seen this argumentbefore and IMHO its predicated on a casting tournamentwhere distance is all important and not fishing for 8hours at a stretch. Have you ever taken a 9' cane rodand fished it with a real light reel, making ittip-heavy to begin with, and cast that for 5, 6 or 7hours? By the end of the day my arm felt like lead.Sure you're robbing the rod of some of its potential making the total load, coming from the front part ofthe rod, easier to handle. Practical experienceteaches that there is a range of weight with which arod can be most effectively used. Too little weightand your putting extra stress on your arm, too muchweight and your stressing a different set of muscles. In terms of distance, unless we are talking aboutsteelheading or saltwater fishing (maybe putting thereel in a holder or pocket would help with distance inthese cases) most of don't need to cast much beyond50' and a decent cane rod with even a heavier reel canaccomplish that without wiping out your arm. Whatwe're doing by establishing the static balance pointwith the finger under the grip, is to establish a goodstarting point for the swaying forces that take placewhile casting. I for one, am not willing to give upthe notion of balance, just to cast 80' with a #20 flythat I can't see at that distance anyway. --- Adam Vigil wrote:I have always found the notion of stationary rodbalance an interesting one. Casting and playingfish are the most important actions of the rod whydo we spend so much time trying to balance rods onour index fingers looking for a balance point. Weall now that the dynamic action of a fly rod whilecasting changes the point of balanceinstantaneously. Not only is the balance of the rodchanged constantly due to theacceleration/deceleration of the tip and mid sectionit is changed by the actively changing weight of theline as the length is increased and decreased. Whatis perceived as "balanced" while resting it on anindex finger does not translate into "balanced"while it is in action. The fact of the matter is aheavy reel or adding weight to a reel seat may feelbalanced when holding it still, it tends to rob therod of its potential in casting. The trend nowadaysis light rods and heavy reels, This is a mistake.Vince Marinaro spelled it out quite well in his bookIn the Ring of the Rise. He speaks on this veryissue of balanced rods, heavy reels and weightedreel seats. He tells of Leonard breaking all castingrecords in his day by doing something different inhis tournament casting. Leonard came up onto thecasting platform with rod in hand with no reel, heput the line onto the floor and broke many recordsin distance casting. What he had found out thatothers hadn't was a heavy reel dampens the rodsaction and thus robs it of some of its potentialenergy. Go out and cast your rods with a heavy reeland no reel and note the distance you can cast aswell as the action of the rod and the energyrequired to cast. I did this twenty years ago andhave always looked for light reels for my rods.Light reels I recommend is Hardy light weightseries, Ross Colorado, Tibor light trout series andBill Ballans heirloom and classic reels (they arenot the lightest but sometime tradition prevails). Sorry about the length, Adam Vigil Chino, CA. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com from Grhghlndr@aol.com Fri Jun 1 16:17:45 2001 f51LHiT02330 Subject: Canadian Canoe --part1_8.153c180d.2849606c_boundary Has anyone built this rod? If so what do you think of it. I need a second rod for Quebec for sea run Trout.Bret --part1_8.153c180d.2849606c_boundary rod for Quebec for sea run Trout.Bret --part1_8.153c180d.2849606c_boundary-- from jojo@ipa.net Fri Jun 1 17:20:25 2001 f51MKMT03944 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I already had a machinist's scraper, and you're right about the ease =factor, Bob. Mine just doesn't look as classy as the one Golden Witch =sells. I prefer my heat gun, noise and all, as it seems to be much =quicker for straightening strips. Of course, I'm soaking my strips, and =the heat gun is set at MAX heat, so this may account for my perception =of it being faster than the lamp. For straightening sections I still =prefer the heat gun, but do everything I can beforehand to not have to =straighten sections once they come out of the string. M-D HI all:Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of course = 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic for =removing glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent, =and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shape =allows pretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having always =used my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by =the lamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It =is faster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I = Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and vice =versa) Bob Maulucci= http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboo=rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, =and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com I already had a = and you're right about the ease factor, Bob. Mine just doesn't look as = the one Golden Witch sells. I prefer my heat gun, noise and all, as it = be much quicker for straightening strips. Of course, I'm soaking my = the heat gun is set at MAX heat, so this may account for my perception = being faster than the lamp. For straightening sections I still prefer = gun, but do everything I can beforehand to not have to straighten = they come out of the string. M-D Maulucci HI all:Two things to share after having received a = order. (Of course these items are available other places, so no = interest). 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are = fantastic for removing glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the = spent, and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their = allows pretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp = yesterday, having always used my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am = thoroughly impressed by the lamp. I found it much easier to control = application of heat. It is faster and much quieter. I have an = the bench, and I am being careful to use the right fuel. = versa) = = bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for= quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, = accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com= from bob@downandacross.com Fri Jun 1 17:32:18 2001 f51MWGT04419 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp --=====================_8311370==_.ALT Better advice was never given.M-D, you say those are called machinist's scrapers?Bob At 05:19 PM 6/1/2001 -0500, Jojo DeLancier wrote: I can beforehand to not have to straighten sections once they come out of the string. M-D From: Bob Maulucci HI all:Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of course these items are available other places, so no financial interest).1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic for removing glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent, and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shape allows pretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having always used my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by the lamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It is faster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I am being careful to use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and viceversa) Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_8311370==_.ALT Better advice was never given. M-D, you say those are called machinist's scrapers?BobAt 05:19 PM 6/1/2001 -0500, Jojo DeLancier wrote: gun, but do everything I can beforehand to not have to straightensections once they come out of the string. M-D From: BobMaulucci HI all:Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of coursethese items are available other places, so no financial interest). 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic forremoving glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent, andthey seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shape allowspretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having alwaysused my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by thelamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It is fasterand much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I am being carefulto use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and viceversa) Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine forbamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hexand quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, andaccessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716- 867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine forbamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hexand quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, andaccessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716- 867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_8311370==_.ALT-- from jojo@ipa.net Fri Jun 1 17:37:29 2001 f51MbTT04744 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Yeah, that is the only name I've ever known them by. I believe that Mr. =Moon has used these for rodmaking purposes for many years. Didn't you = scrapers?Bob At 05:19 PM 6/1/2001 -0500, Jojo DeLancier wrote: everything I can beforehand to not have to straighten sections once they =come out of the string. Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of =course these items are available other places, so no financial = 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic = spent, and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their = 2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having =always used my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly =impressed by the lamp. I found it much easier to control the application =of heat. It is faster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the = Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and =vice versa) = http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo = http://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate =bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and = bob@downandacross.com Bob Maulucci= http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboo=rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, =and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com Yeah, that is the = ever known them by. I believe that Mr. Moon has used these for rodmaking = Downandacross Rods Better advice was never given. M-D, you say those = called machinist's scrapers?BobAt 05:19 PM 6/1/2001 -0500, = sections = prefer the heat gun, but do everything I can beforehand to not have to = straighten sections once they come out of the string. From: Bob = Two things to share after having received a big tool order. = these items are available other places, so no financial interest). = 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are = removing glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I = they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shape = 2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having = used my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed = lamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. = faster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and = being careful to use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? = versa) = http://www.powerfibers.com, the online = http://www.downandacross.com, your source= quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, = 716-867-0523 cellular =bob@downandacross.com= = = bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for= quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, = accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from jojo@ipa.net Fri Jun 1 17:43:02 2001 f51Mh1T05054 Subject: Straightening Blanks Bob's post on heat gun vs. lamp for straightening sections made me think ofthe task of straightening glued blanks while still in the string, with theadhesive still wet, and what a pain it can be. Has anyone a novel way ofapproaching this, that doesn't take a half hour to accomplish? I'm stilltesting a technique, while not new or revolutionary does use differentmaterials. I tried something different today, and won't know until tomorrowhow it turned out. I'll share if you will. M-D from channer@frontier.net Fri Jun 1 18:11:22 2001 f51NBMT05753 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp Jim;If you heat your nodes more than once, you are defeating yourself. Heatwell, press with the enamel up for 5 seconds for butt strips, 3 or 4 fortips, then turn the enamel side to the jaws and press while you heat thenext node. Hollow the pith side of your nodes with a half round rasp ordrum sander. If you reheat a node, all the kinks and curves you got outthe first time will come right back.John from rmoon@ida.net Fri Jun 1 18:16:44 2001 f51NGhT06098 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp --------------590F786CF1B24899A3BE5471 Thanks for the plug. Yes I have used them for thirty years.If it is not too much, I am sending a copy of the article. Rod Rack . . .Scrapers for Cane bamboo rod. But thetask of gathering the necessary tools and materials seemedinsurmount-able and Ireluctantly let my dream die. Later, my interest wasreawakened by variousmagazine articles geared to the home rod builder. Thesearticles had fore-seenmy problems and led me to many sources of the tools andmaterial I needed. Butone problem remained. Try as I might I could not find asatisfactory scraperwith which to achieve the final and very exacting tapers forthe cane sections.None of the tools and techniques I had read about worked forme. Then, in a small Denver industrial sup-ply house, I foundthe tool that I wassure must exist. It is a three cornered, bluntly tapered,hollow ground, hardsteel ma-chinist's scraper. It has provided me with themeans to work to theextremely close tolerances required in the final tapering ofthe bamboosections. The tool should be held with the wooden handle in the palmof your handand with your index finger on top of the blade to providethe proper amount ofpressure. Place the blade at a slight angle to the rodsection and cant itslightly off vertical. I have found two basic strokes to beuseful. The first stroke is a rapid back and forth motion used toremove materialrapidly. Be very careful when using this stroke. There is atendency to cut intothe bamboo fibers on the return stroke which creates a smalldepression. Unlessextreme care is used this depression will rapidlyenlarge and become deeper, ruining the section. Should adepression appear, aquick pass or two with a sanding block loaded with 320 gritDurite No-Filsand-paper will correct the uneven spot without taking offtoo much material. The second stroke is a slow one that should be made withmoderate pressure inone direction only. It is used to remove the finalthousandth of an inch or so from the section Shavings of .001 inch or less can be madewith this scraper. Ihave found that the scraper works best when the sections arecarefully prepared.A very light sanding with No-Fil sandpaper be-fore you beginscraping will makethe job much easier. Since the blade is made of carbide steel it keeps its edge oc-casional pass with a fine file will dress the edge if itbecomes dull. The scrapers are not easy to find. Few hardware stores carrythem, althoughdealers listed under "machine tools" in the yellow pages ofyour telephonedi-rectory often do. The scrapers I have been using aremanufactured by theSimonds Company and by Nicholson Files; they are alsoavailable from othermanufacturers of machine tools. The best size and kind toget is a straight3/8 inch blade like the tool with the black handle in theillustra-tion. Theseare very hard to find and you will more commonly find 1/2inch scrapers with thecurved tip like those with the light handles. These toolsare called bydifferent names: machinist's scraper, bearing scraper ordeburring tool. Youmight have to describe it to the clerk. The cost varies fromabout $3.50 to$10.00 for a single tool, and up to about $20.00 for sets.The scrapersillustrated all cost in the $3.50 range and have been mostsatisfactory. RALPHMOON +I Jojo DeLancier wrote: Yeah, that is the only name I've ever known them by. Ibelieve that Mr. Moon has used these for rodmakingpurposes for many years. Didn't you once write an articlerelating to the use of these, Mr. Moon? --------------590F786CF1B24899A3BE5471 is not too much, I am sending a copy of the article. Rod Rack . . .Scrapers for Cane rod. But thetask of gathering the necessary tools and materials seemedinsurmount-ableand Ireluctantly let my dream die. Later, my interest was reawakened byvariousmagazine articles geared to the home rod builder. These articles hadfore-seenmy problems and led me to many sources of the tools and material Ineeded. Butone problem remained. Try as I might I could not find a satisfactoryscraperwith which to achieve the final and very exacting tapers for the canesections.None of the tools and techniques I had read about worked for me.Then, in a small Denver industrial sup-ply house, I found the tool thatI wassure must exist. It is a three cornered, bluntly tapered, hollow ground,hardsteel ma-chinist's scraper. It has provided me with the means to workto theextremely close tolerances required in the final tapering of the bamboosections.The tool should be held with the wooden handle in the palm of your handand with your index finger on top of the blade to provide the properamount ofpressure. Place the blade at a slight angle to the rod section andcant itslightly off vertical. I have found two basic strokes to be useful.The first stroke is a rapid back and forth motion used to removematerialrapidly. Be very careful when using this stroke. There is a tendencyto cut intothe bamboo fibers on the return stroke which creates a smalldepression.Unlessextreme care is used this depression will rapidlyenlarge and become deeper, ruining the section. Should a depressionappear, aquick pass or two with a sanding block loaded with 320 grit DuriteNo-Filsand-paper will correct the uneven spot without taking off too muchmaterial.The second stroke is a slow one that should be made with moderatepressureinone direction only. It is used to remove the final thousandth of aninch or so from the section Shavings of .001 inch or less can be made with thisscraper. Ihave found that the scraper works best when the sections are carefullyprepared.A very light sanding with No-Fil sandpaper be-fore you begin scrapingwill makethe job much easier.Since the blade is made of carbide steel it keeps its edge for a longtime. Anoc-casional pass with a fine file will dress the edge if it becomesdull.The scrapers are not easy to find. Few hardware stores carry them,althoughdealers listed under "machine tools" in the yellow pages of yourtelephonedi-rectory often do. The scrapers I have been using are manufactured Simonds Company and by Nicholson Files; they are also available fromothermanufacturers of machine tools. The best size and kind to get is astraight3/8 inch blade like the tool with the black handle in the illustra- tion.Theseare very hard to find and you will more commonly find 1/2 inch scraperswith thecurved tip like those with the light handles. These tools are calledbydifferent names: machinist's scraper, bearing scraper or deburringtool. Youmight have to describe it to the clerk. The cost varies from about$3.50 to$10.00 for a single tool, and up to about $20.00 for sets. The scrapersillustrated all cost in the $3.50 range and have been most satisfactory.RALPHMOON +I Jojo DeLancier wrote:-->Yeah,that is the only name I've ever known them by. I believe that Mr. Moonhas used these for rodmaking purposes for many years. Didn't you oncewritean article relating to the use of these, Mr.Moon? --------------590F786CF1B24899A3BE5471-- from channer@frontier.net Fri Jun 1 18:19:45 2001 f51NJjT06251 Subject: Re: Straightening Blanks Mark;A few things I have found that help are to first of all, tune yourbinder to have the blank come out of it as straight as possible. Hangingthe sections with as much weight as the string will stand helps a bit,as does heat setting the glue with the rod tensioned in a rack will helpsome,too, but it seems that no matter what I do, I always have a fewbends to get out of the tips, butts don't seem to be much problem.John Jojo DeLancier wrote: Bob's post on heat gun vs. lamp for straightening sections made me thinkofthe task of straightening glued blanks while still in the string, with theadhesive still wet, and what a pain it can be. Has anyone a novel way ofapproaching this, that doesn't take a half hour to accomplish? I'm stilltesting a technique, while not new or revolutionary does use differentmaterials. I tried something different today, and won't know until tomorrowhow it turned out. I'll share if you will. M-D from harms1@pa.net Fri Jun 1 18:22:45 2001 f51NMiT06517 Subject: Re: Balance Adam, You are DEAD RIGHT, my friend. It is one of the strangest things to me, whythere has been such a tremendous proliferation of fly reel manufacturers(and models) over the past 5-7 years, and yet nearly all of those reels arefar, far heavier than they should be. And now the large arbor reels(although handy, in one sense) are heavier still. I just don't understandit. How in the world did this hoax about a "balanced" outfit ever emerge? It's one thing to perpetrate a marketing ploy on the unsuspecting "newbies"and make it stick, but why have experienced fly fishermen fall for thisnonsense? Vince Marinaro was exactly correct in his analysis of thedampening effect of weight in the grip area of a rod. Vince and I spentmany years together, fishing and building rods, and we know how deadlyweight is to the action of a good rod. The lighest reel you can possiblyfind is what is wanted. I don't believe you'll ever convince the marketplace that all these fancyand expensive new reels offer no practictical improvement for ordinary troutfishing. On the contrary, most of the newer reels only hamper a rod'snatural abilities. Give me a Hardy or the old Orvis CFO--these will alwaysbe my first choice in a reel (although, size-for-size, one could also find acouple other reels that are lightweight). cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Balance I have always found the notion of stationary rod balance an interesting one.Casting and playing fish are the most important actions of the rod why do wespend so much time trying to balance rods on our index fingers looking for abalance point. We all now that the dynamic action of a fly rod whilecasting changes the point of balance instantaneously. Not only is thebalance of the rod changed constantly due to the acceleration/decelerationof the tip and mid section it is changed by the actively changing weight ofthe line as the length is increased and decreased. What is perceived as"balanced" while resting it on an index finger does not translate into"balanced" while it is in action. The fact of the matter is a heavy reel oradding weight to a reel seat may feel balanced when holding it still, ittends to rob the rod of its potential in casting. The trend nowadays islight rods and heavy reels, This is a mistake. Vince Marinaro spelled itout quite well in his book In the Ring of the Rise. He speaks on this veryissue of balanced rods, heavy reels and weighted reel seats. He tells ofLeonard breaking all casting records in his day by doing something differentin his tournament casting. Leonard came up onto the casting platform withrod in hand with no reel, he put the line onto the floor and broke manyrecords in distance casting. What he had found out that others hadn't was aheavy reel dampens the rods action and thus robs it of some of its potentialenergy. Go out and cast your rods with a heavy reel and no reel and note thedistance you can cast as well as the action of the rod and the energyrequired to cast. I did this twenty years ago and have always looked forlight reels for my rods. Light reels I recommend is Hardy light weightseries, Ross Colorado, Tibor light trout series and Bill Ballans heirloomand classic reels (they are not the lightest but sometime traditionprevails). Sorry about the length, Adam Vigil Chino, CA. from dmanders@telusplanet.net Fri Jun 1 18:26:11 2001 f51NQAT06728 hme0.telusplanet.net Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:26:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Some bone fish rod thoughts Taylor, I've never fished salt water and likely will not but your request trippedthe memory cells and I had a look @ a book written by Joe Brooks calledthe "Complete Book of Flyfishing and published in 1948 . Mr. Brooks formany years was the fishing editor for Outdoor Life magazine and had theopportunity to fish around the world. from what I can remember, he, withothers, pioneered fishing salt with flies. His comments are particularlyimportant as he would have had access to a host of rods from allmanufacturers. Joe wrote: " The 9 and 9 1/2 footers are also commonly used in saltwaterflyfishing. When you are fishing the salt there is usually some wind andto meet this contingency alone the slow 9' or 9 1/2' rod is far ahead ofeither a shorter or faster stick, both of which would call for repeatedfalse casts to get the line out in the wind, especially with the large,wind resistant flies used in the salt. The long slow rod also allow you to make long casts and because of theheight of the rod, to drop your fly in water five inches deep and, byholding the rod high as you retrieve, to then swim that fly nicelythrough this thin water. The slow action is also of prime importancebecause saltwater fish are continually on the move, not on a feedingstation, as are trout, and the angler must flip the fly out fast to anoncomer before it sees him and flushes. In many cases saltwater flyfishing call for spilt-second action. The faster the fly is delivered,the more likely it will get a hit. A slow action rod will get the fly outwith a single false cast, while a shorter, stiffer stick would requireseveral. He goes on to say: " In my opinion, the 9 1/2 foot stick has it over the9 footer for saltwater casting because it can do everything the shorterone can, and can do a couple of them better. It enables the caster tokeep his back cast high, and lets him impart better action to the fly,which is important in the salt; and it also enables him to keep the flyhigh in the water when fishing the shallows, so that it will not sink andcatch on underwater growth. However, a 9 foot rod with a slow action willalso handle a WF8F line, which is best suited to ocean fishing." And to para-phrase a complete paragraph: " Stiff rod show their valuewhen anglers go for 100 pound tarpon .... The same applies with the flyrod technique for taking sailfish and striped marlin. The slow actionalone does the job except for the few anglers who go for extra-bigfish." And for line sizes he says: "A WF8F will being out everything that is inthe rod. You can short the head of the line and the weight up front willpull the shooting line after it. It is possible to pick up 35 feet ofline and shoot a additional 35 feet, all with only one back cast. Ittakes the work out a fishing and an angler who uses this equipment canfish all day with pleasure. Yet if he were to try to pick up, say 50 feetof line, false cast it a couple of times, and heave it out, his arm wouldfall off by the end of the day." So from a man who has nearly done it all in terms of flyfishing aroundthe world, Joe seems convinced that a 9 or 9 1/2 foot slow action in a 8wt. is the answer. Thought you might like to factor this into your decision. catch ya' Don t 08:55 PM 5/31/01 -0400, taylor hogan wrote: ArialHas anyone had anyexperience bone fishing with bamboo? Any tapers one might suggest for such an activity would be mostappreciated. ArialThanks Taylor from dmanders@telusplanet.net Fri Jun 1 18:35:53 2001 f51NZqT07168 hme0.telusplanet.net Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:35:45 -0600 "and Collecting" Subject: Re:Scrapers To all, The scrapers mentioned are bearing scrapers and are available in severalconfigurations and lengths. I knew what they were and had used them fortruing the babbitt mains and cons on large bearings used in very largeslow speed engines. Queried a bunch of tool companies who were also awareto their existence where I could get a couple. The search was finallyover when I found them in the McMaster-Carr catalogue. They were only acouple of bucks 20 years ago - not sure of price now. regards, Don At 06:31 PM 6/1/01 -0400, Downandacross Rods wrote: Better advice was never given. M-D, you say those are called machinist's scrapers? Bob At 05:19 PM 6/1/2001 -0500, Jojo DeLancier wrote: but do everything I can beforehand to not have to straighten sectionsonce they come out of the string. M-D left HI all: Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of coursethese items are available other places, so no financial interest). 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic forremoving glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent,and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shapeallows pretty nice precision. 2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having always usedmy noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by thelamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It isfaster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I ambeing careful to use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and viceversa) 0000,0000,8080BobMaulucci ==================================================8080,8080,0000 http://www.powerfibers.com, the onlinemagazine for bamboo rodmaking http://www.downandacross.com, yoursource lathes, mills, and accessories, and more 218 Wallace Avenue Buffalo, NY 14216 716-836-8297 home 716-867-0523 cellular 8080,8080,0000 bmaulucci@adelphia.net bob@downandacross.com 0000,0000,8080BobMaulucci ================================================== 8080,8080,0000http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmaking http://www.downandacross.com, yoursource lathes, mills, and accessories, and more 218 Wallace Avenue Buffalo, NY 14216 716-836-8297 home 716-867-0523 cellular 8080,8080,0000bmaulucci@adelphia.net bob@downandacross.com from atlasc1@earthlink.net Fri Jun 1 18:45:48 2001 f51NjkT07569 QAA14246 Subject: Re; Balance This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Ding, Ding, Ding....back up the truck. My post was giving an example =that was stated in Marinaro's book. It was used there for the same =reason I used it. It demonstrated that a heavy reel dampened the casting =ablity of the rod. I was not talking about casting great distances or =tournament casting abilities on the water. If you add weight to your =reel seat or choose a heavy reel to "balance" the rod as you hold it on =the stream that is fine. It is for a specific reason....just not for =casting. There are 3 basic motions an object can do 1. Rotate 2. =Translate 3. Torque. Casting is the combination of rotation and =translaton. The axis of rotation changes instaneously in casting with =the tip to casting to the cork throughout different areas of the =rod.The length of cast be it long or short is still dampened with too =heavy a reel and requires more energy from upper extremity and thoracic =spine. This will take its toll on the caster even at short distances. =Less energy used in casting is less fatique to the caster. I did not =advocate using no reels only light reels and many of you probably use =the reels I mentioned. Casting 10 feet or 50 feet with a trout rod, the =rod will cast with less effort to the caster. Yes with long heavy =tipped rods a heavy reel will move the stationary fulcrum point closer =to the rear giving a mechanical advantage in "lifting" the rod and =moving it through an arc. In that case it is a compromise needed to even =use the rod. The reels such as the Colorado, CFO type, Hardy's, Tibor =and Ballans weigh from 3.5 to 5 oz. those are rather light reels =compared to some that are weighing in at 6oz or more. So if you want to =put a heavy reel on your rod...no sweat never said anything other than =it dampens the rod, the rod will still cast fine. The fact is once you =spend your time and money buying a reel that "balances" your rod on your =finger your effforts are in vain once you cast the rod and the balance =point moved and will continue to move as you cast line. Chances are =those that take issue with this subject are using the very reels or =similar ones I mentioned. I choose to "Balance" my rods by casting them =with line at various distances and determine the reel that "feels" best =suited to the rod and my casting style. Maybe I am funny that way...but =I also test drove my car instead of just kicking the tires and slamming = Adam Vigil Ding, Ding, Ding....back up the truck. = giving an example that was stated in Marinaro's book. It was used there = same reason I used it. It demonstrated that a heavy reel dampened the = seat or choose a heavy reel to "balance" the rod as you hold it on the = that is fine. It is for a specific reason....just not for casting. There = basic motions an object can do 1. Rotate 2. Translate 3. Torque. Casting = = probably use the reels I mentioned. Casting 10 feet or 50 feet with a = point closer to the rear giving a mechanical advantage in "lifting" the = heavy reel on your rod...no sweat never said anything other than it = effforts are in vain once you cast the rod and the balance point moved = continue to move as you cast line. Chances are those that take issue = subject are using the very reels or similar ones I mentioned. I choose = "Balance" my rods by casting them with line at various distances and = the reel that "feels" best suited to the rod and my casting style. Maybe = funny that way...but I also test drove my car instead of just kicking = Adam Vigil from anglport@con2.com Fri Jun 1 18:52:54 2001 f51NqrT07848 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp so this may account for my perception of it beingfaster than the lamp. M-D, Respectfully speaking....BULL!!! I used that furschlugginer alcohol lamp called nodes "God's gift to rodmakers". I couldn't believe how fast andeffective that heat gun was the first time I tried it. I'll NEVER go backto that primitive source of fire! I can do the nodes in two 6' strips infive minutes with the new technology. You can have my heat gun "when youpry it from my cold dead hands"! (Apologies to Charlton Heston)Fighting fire with heatgun....Art At 05:19 PM 06/01/2001 -0500, Jojo DeLancier wrote:I already had a machinist's scraper, and you're right about the easefactor, Bob. Mine just doesn't look as classy as the one Golden Witchsells. I prefer my heat gun, noise and all, as it seems to be much quicker gun is set at MAX heat, so this may account for my perception of it beingfaster than the lamp. For straightening sections I still prefer the heat gun, but do everything I can beforehand to not have to straighten sectionsonce they come out of the string. M-D From: Bob Maulucci HI all:Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of coursethese items are available other places, so no financial interest). 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic forremoving glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent,and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shape allows pretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having always usedmy noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by thelamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It isfaster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I ambeing careful to use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and vice versa)Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadratebamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories,and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Jun 1 18:55:44 2001 f51NthT08079 f51Nwn704656;Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:58:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Straightening Blanks Jojo,I will share with you. After binding,I make a loop that centers on the heavy part of the stick. On the smallerend,I make another centered loop. The sticks are hung by the larger end. On thelower loop I hang a plumbers lead bar, In one end of the bar I screwed in alarge cup hook. That hook goes in the string loop at the bottom. I getvirtually no twist with the 4 string binder that I use for gluing. Afterhanging the stick and attaching the weight I run my fingers down each flat. Ilet them hang for 18-20 hours, unwrap, scrape, rebind and heat set. After18-20hours the glue is real easy to remove with a scraper or single edge razorblade. It is still in it's uncured state.I have found that there is no straightening I have to do when I finish thestick.Caution, the loops have to be centered on the stick. I can send you a shot ofthis.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jojo DeLancier wrote: Bob's post on heat gun vs. lamp for straightening sections made me thinkofthe task of straightening glued blanks while still in the string, with theadhesive still wet, and what a pain it can be. Has anyone a novel way ofapproaching this, that doesn't take a half hour to accomplish? I'm stilltesting a technique, while not new or revolutionary does use differentmaterials. I tried something different today, and won't know until tomorrowhow it turned out. I'll share if you will. M-D from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Fri Jun 1 19:29:01 2001 f520SxT08886 claiming to be "oemcomputer" Subject: For snake makers.... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hello, Has anybody tried making snakes out of high carbon music wire (zinc = If I use stainless steel, how do I make it black, same question for = What about tiptops? What do I use for tubing? Any recommendations? thanksTom Ausfeld Rochester, NY Hello, Has anybody tried making snakes out of high carbon= If I use stainless steel, how do I make it black, = What other considerations/suggestions are = = recommendations? thanksTom Ausfeld Rochester, NY from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Jun 1 19:58:19 2001 f520wIT09649 Subject: Re: For snake makers.... In a message dated 06/01/2001 8:29:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tausfeld@frontiernet.net writes: Hi Tom,Most of the guys are using music wire to form they're snake guides. As far as blackening stainless wire, I'vefound that dipping them into my Oxidizer will usually turn themdark. Tip tops are made with very small diameter brass tubing.You can usually get this from Micro-Mark or Small Parts Inc. Dave http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Jun 1 20:11:44 2001 f521BhT10094 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp In a message dated 06/01/2001 7:17:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,rmoon@ida.net writes: from TSmithwick@aol.com Fri Jun 1 20:19:19 2001 f521JIT10333 Subject: Re: For snake makers.... In a message dated 6/2/1 12:29:53 AM, tausfeld@frontiernet.net writes: Tom - I suspect the reason the zinc is there is for a lubricant in forming processes, as well as a retardant to corrosion. Zinc is very soft and would wear off a guide quickly. I think you would be better off with Dave LeClair's method of case hardening bare carbon steel wire. Stainless is pretty impervious to coloring solutions, but if you heat it to 600-700* F, a dark brown oxide will form. This has to be controlled, however, because if you go much hotter, some nasty things will happen to the metal. Unless I am badly mistaken, no one ever used tungsten for guides. I think a common springsteel wire, alloyed with tungsten was used. But I have never heard the alloy named, and can't help any more than this. from vfish@vFish.net Fri Jun 1 20:32:21 2001 f521WLT10658 Subject: Bamboo Rod Maker in VA wanted... I got an odd request today... Here it is... Do you know where a person can go to apprentice with a rod maker? I wouldlove to find a rod maker that would be interested in either coming to work DavidCharlottesville, VA 22901 If anybody is interested, please email me offlist and I will give you hiscontact info. Darrell Leewww.vfish.netFine Books & Videos for bamboo rod people from thogan@rochester.rr.com Fri Jun 1 20:45:06 2001 f521j6T11023 f521hPW15304; "Don & Sandy Andersen" Subject: Re: Some bone fish rod thoughts This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Thanks for all the research on the appropriate characteristics of the =best salt water rod. I am having difficulty with the slower the better, =as far as limiting the number of false casts. All this talk about slow =versus fast rods gets me thinking again about more rigorous mathematical = ThanksTaylor Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:46 PMSubject: Re: Some bone fish rod thoughts Taylor, I've never fished salt water and likely will not but your request =tripped the memory cells and I had a look @ a book written by Joe Brooks =called the "Complete Book of Flyfishing and published in 1948 . Mr. =Brooks for many years was the fishing editor for Outdoor Life magazine =and had the opportunity to fish around the world. from what I can =remember, he, with others, pioneered fishing salt with flies. His =comments are particularly important as he would have had access to a =host of rods from all manufacturers.Joe wrote: " The 9 and 9 1/2 footers are also commonly used in =saltwater flyfishing. When you are fishing the salt there is usually =some wind and to meet this contingency alone the slow 9' or 9 1/2' rod =is far ahead of either a shorter or faster stick, both of which would =call for repeated false casts to get the line out in the wind, =especially with the large, wind resistant flies used in the salt.The long slow rod also allow you to make long casts and because of the =height of the rod, to drop your fly in water five inches deep and, by =holding the rod high as you retrieve, to then swim that fly nicely =through this thin water. The slow action is also of prime importance =because saltwater fish are continually on the move, not on a feeding =station, as are trout, and the angler must flip the fly out fast to an =oncomer before it sees him and flushes. In many cases saltwater fly =fishing call for spilt-second action. The faster the fly is delivered, =the more likely it will get a hit. A slow action rod will get the fly =out with a single false cast, while a shorter, stiffer stick would =require several.He goes on to say: " In my opinion, the 9 1/2 foot stick has it over =the 9 footer for saltwater casting because it can do everything the =shorter one can, and can do a couple of them better. It enables the =caster to keep his back cast high, and lets him impart better action to =the fly, which is important in the salt; and it also enables him to keep =the fly high in the water when fishing the shallows, so that it will not =sink and catch on underwater growth. However, a 9 foot rod with a slow =action will also handle a WF8F line, which is best suited to ocean =fishing."And to para-phrase a complete paragraph: " Stiff rod show their value =when anglers go for 100 pound tarpon .... The same applies with the fly =rod technique for taking sailfish and striped marlin. The slow action =alone does the job except for the few anglers who go for extra-big =fish."And for line sizes he says: "A WF8F will being out everything that is =in the rod. You can short the head of the line and the weight up front =will pull the shooting line after it. It is possible to pick up 35 feet =of line and shoot a additional 35 feet, all with only one back cast. It =takes the work out a fishing and an angler who uses this equipment can =fish all day with pleasure. Yet if he were to try to pick up, say 50 =feet of line, false cast it a couple of times, and heave it out, his arm =would fall off by the end of the day."So from a man who has nearly done it all in terms of flyfishing around =the world, Joe seems convinced that a 9 or 9 1/2 foot slow action in a 8 =wt. is the answer.Thought you might like to factor this into your decision. catch ya' Don Has anyone had any experience bone fishing with bamboo?Any tapers one might suggest for such an activity would be most =appreciated. ThanksTaylor Thanks for all the research on the = characteristics of the best salt water rod. I am having difficulty with = slower the better, as far as limiting the number of false casts. All = ThanksTaylor ----- Original Message ----- & Sandy Andersen =rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 =7:46 PMSubject: Re: Some bone fish rod= thoughtsTaylor,I've = salt water and likely will not but your request tripped the memory = had a look @ a book written by Joe Brooks called the "Complete Book of = Flyfishing and published in 1948 . Mr. Brooks for many years was the = editor for Outdoor Life magazine and had the opportunity to fish = world. from what I can remember, he, with others, pioneered fishing = flies. His comments are particularly important as he would have had = a host of rods from all manufacturers.Joe wrote: " The 9 and 9 1/2 = are also commonly used in saltwater flyfishing. When you are fishing = there is usually some wind and to meet this contingency alone the slow = 1/2' rod is far ahead of either a shorter or faster stick, both of = call for repeated false casts to get the line out in the wind, = the large, wind resistant flies used in the salt.The long slow rod = allow you to make long casts and because of the height of the rod, to = your fly in water five inches deep and, by holding the rod high as you = retrieve, to then swim that fly nicely through this thin water. The = action is also of prime importance because saltwater fish are = the move, not on a feeding station, as are trout, and the angler must = fly out fast to an oncomer before it sees him and flushes. In many = saltwater fly fishing call for spilt-second action. The faster the fly = delivered, the more likely it will get a hit. A slow action rod will = fly out with a single false cast, while a shorter, stiffer stick would = several.He goes on to say: " In my opinion, the 9 1/2 foot stick = over the 9 footer for saltwater casting because it can do everything = shorter one can, and can do a couple of them better. It enables the = keep his back cast high, and lets him impart better action to the fly, = is important in the salt; and it also enables him to keep the fly high = water when fishing the shallows, so that it will not sink and catch on = underwater growth. However, a 9 foot rod with a slow action will also = WF8F line, which is best suited to ocean fishing."And to = complete paragraph: " Stiff rod show their value when anglers go for = tarpon .... The same applies with the fly rod technique for taking = and striped marlin. The slow action alone does the job except for the = anglers who go for extra-big fish."And for line sizes he says: "A = will being out everything that is in the rod. You can short the head = line and the weight up front will pull the shooting line after it. It = possible to pick up 35 feet of line and shoot a additional 35 feet, = only one back cast. It takes the work out a fishing and an angler who = this equipment can fish all day with pleasure. Yet if he were to try = up, say 50 feet of line, false cast it a couple of times, and heave it = his arm would fall off by the end of the day."So from a man who = done it all in terms of flyfishing around the world, Joe seems = a 9 or 9 1/2 foot slow action in a 8 wt. is the answer.Thought you = ya'Dont 08:55 PM 5/31/01 -0400, taylorhogan = Has anyone had experience bone fishing with bamboo?Any tapers one might suggest= such an activity would be most =appreciated.ThanksTaylor<<<< from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Jun 1 20:52:28 2001 f521qST11267 f521tZ717495;Fri, 1 Jun 2001 20:55:35 -0500 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp Heat gun any day over the lamp. I use the lamp forsinging if needed.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Bob Maulucci wrote: HI all:Two things to share after having received a bigtool order. (Of course these items are availableother places, so no financial interest).1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GWcatalog) are fantastic for removing glue fromthe blanks. It really cut down on the time Ispent, and they seem to be very gentle, removingonly the glue. Their shape allows pretty niceprecision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp beforeyesterday, having always used my noisy heat gun.I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed bythe lamp. I found it much easier to control theapplication of heat. It is faster and muchquieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench,and I am being careful to use the right fuel. Here's the question...how many prefer the gunover the lamp? (and vice versa) Bob Maulucci ================================================= http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine http://www.downandacross.com, your source forhex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines andleaders, sherline lathes, mills, andaccessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867- 0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 22:19:38 2001 f523JbT12545 2001 20:19:36 PDT Subject: Re: Balance rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu i read an interview of walt powell where he saidesencially the same thing. timothy --- WILLIAM HARMS wrote:Adam, You are DEAD RIGHT, my friend. It is one of thestrangest things to me, whythere has been such a tremendous proliferation offly reel manufacturers(and models) over the past 5-7 years, and yet nearlyall of those reels arefar, far heavier than they should be. And now thelarge arbor reels(although handy, in one sense) are heavier still. Ijust don't understandit. How in the world did this hoax about a"balanced" outfit ever emerge? It's one thing to perpetrate a marketing ploy on theunsuspecting "newbies"and make it stick, but why have experienced flyfishermen fall for thisnonsense? Vince Marinaro was exactly correct in hisanalysis of thedampening effect of weight in the grip area of arod. Vince and I spentmany years together, fishing and building rods, andwe know how deadlyweight is to the action of a good rod. The lighestreel you can possiblyfind is what is wanted. I don't believe you'll ever convince the marketplacethat all these fancyand expensive new reels offer no practicticalimprovement for ordinary troutfishing. On the contrary, most of the newer reelsonly hamper a rod'snatural abilities. Give me a Hardy or the old OrvisCFO--these will alwaysbe my first choice in a reel (although,size-for-size, one could also find acouple other reels that are lightweight). cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Adam Vigil" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:37 PMSubject: Re: Balance I have always found the notion of stationary rodbalance an interesting one.Casting and playing fish are the most importantactions of the rod why do wespend so much time trying to balance rods on ourindex fingers looking for abalance point. We all now that the dynamic actionof a fly rod whilecasting changes the point of balanceinstantaneously. Not only is thebalance of the rod changed constantly due to theacceleration/decelerationof the tip and mid section it is changed by theactively changing weight ofthe line as the length is increased and decreased. What is perceived as"balanced" while resting it on an index finger doesnot translate into"balanced" while it is in action. The fact of thematter is a heavy reel oradding weight to a reel seat may feel balanced whenholding it still, ittends to rob the rod of its potential in casting. The trend nowadays islight rods and heavy reels, This is a mistake.Vince Marinaro spelled itout quite well in his book In the Ring of the Rise. He speaks on this veryissue of balanced rods, heavy reels and weightedreel seats. He tells ofLeonard breaking all casting records in his day bydoing something differentin his tournament casting. Leonard came up onto thecasting platform withrod in hand with no reel, he put the line onto thefloor and broke manyrecords in distance casting. What he had found outthat others hadn't was aheavy reel dampens the rods action and thus robs itof some of its potentialenergy. Go out and cast your rods with a heavy reeland no reel and note thedistance you can cast as well as the action of therod and the energyrequired to cast. I did this twenty years ago andhave always looked forlight reels for my rods. Light reels I recommend isHardy light weightseries, Ross Colorado, Tibor light trout series andBill Ballans heirloomand classic reels (they are not the lightest butsometime traditionprevails). Sorry about the length, Adam Vigil Chino, CA. ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from ajthramer@hotmail.com Sat Jun 2 03:21:54 2001 f528LsT16619 Sat, 2 Jun 2001 01:21:47 -0700 Sat, 02 Jun 2001 08:21:47 GMT Subject: scrapers FILETIME=[11075700:01C0EB3D] The scrapers that Bob refers to are bearing scrapers,left over from thetime when engine bearings were supplied slightly oversize or were supplied with the bearing babbit poured into place in the engine block. The scrapers were used to fit the bearing to the main and/or rod journal of the crankshaft. also the cam bearings which were usually the poured in place type. Mine are my grandfathers, left over from when he used to take the cat apart and lay all the parts on a tarp with sack tags on the parts to identify what went where on the family filbert farm ( before they started to be called 'hazelnuts'). They used to go out to the Willamette River at the front of the property with the wagon and use dip nets and pitchforks to toss salmon into the wagon for food for the winter. Lots of floods and no dams at the time. The farm became a victim of 'eminent domain' and is now a park.A.J.Thramer_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Jun 2 03:38:13 2001 f528cBT16939 f528c0c20555; Subject: Re: Canadian Canoe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Bret I built a Canadian Canoe a couple of years ago and have used it a lot =since both for some saltwater stuff and in big stillwater fishing. I am =a bit of a Payne worshipper, and it's a good rod; I am not altogether =sure, though, that it mightn't be a bit heavier than it has to be to do =what it does. Nice rod, but I wouldn't build it again. eter Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 7:17 AMSubject: Canadian Canoe Has anyone built this rod? If so what do you think of it. I need a = Bret I built a Canadian Canoe a couple of = have used it a lot since both for some saltwater stuff and in big = fishing. I am a bit of a Payne worshipper, and it's a good rod; I am not = again. eter ----- Original Message ----- Grhghlndr@aol.com bob@downandacross.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 = AMSubject: Canadian CanoeHasanyone = Quebec for sea run Trout. Bret = from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Jun 2 03:49:49 2001 f528nlT17224 Subject: Re: scrapers Hey, Allen - that's what I do for a living! Taking the cat apart, I mean. Of course, I'm a veterinarian, so I do have a license. :-) Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: scrapers The scrapers that Bob refers to are bearing scrapers,left over from thetimewhen engine bearings were supplied slightly oversize or were supplied withthe bearing babbit poured into place in the engine block. The scraperswereused to fit the bearing to the main and/or rod journal of the crankshaft.also the cam bearings which were usually the poured in place type. Minearemy grandfathers, left over from when he used to take the cat apart andlayall the parts on a tarp with sack tags on the parts to identify what wentwhere on the family filbert farm ( before they started to be called'hazelnuts'). They used to go out to the Willamette River at the front ofthe property with the wagon and use dip nets and pitchforks to tosssalmoninto the wagon for food for the winter. Lots of floods and no dams at thetime. The farm became a victim of 'eminent domain' and is now a park.A.J.Thramer _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from dmanders@telusplanet.net Sat Jun 2 06:30:29 2001 f52BUST18926 hme0.telusplanet.net Subject: Heat gun vs lamp question Guys, I've used both and am using the heat gun in spite of the noise for thefollowing reason. The heat coming from the lamp is a "plume" that is small@ the source and rapidly disperses throughout the air above the lamp. The"plume" of heat is easily destroyed by waving anything above it. This makesprecise application of heat to a troublesome node tough to do. The heatgun, through the use of the fan arrangement, makes a "contained plume"thatis directed. When a piece of cane is waved through the "plume" of heat, itquickly reestablishes its form because of the fans flow.All this means is that I can hold a strip on the edge of the fan outletslot and get heat exactly where I would like it. Haven't filled thealcohol lamp for about 3 years. Now if someone would just come up with a type of funnel to place over alamp so that the heat comes out on just the right spot, I'd be back to thelamp. It certainly is quieter and costs less to operate. catch ya' Don from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jun 2 08:42:19 2001 f52DgIT20372 Subject: Re: Canadian Canoe "Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Peter,that wasn't the rod you took to Qld after Barramundi was it? Tony At 07:36 PM 6/2/01 +1000, Peter McKean wrote: Bret I built a Canadian Canoe a couple of years ago and have used it a lot sinceboth for some saltwater stuff and in big stillwater fishing. I am a bit of aPayne worshipper, and it's a good rod; I am not altogether sure, though,thatit mightn't be a bit heavier than it has to be to do what it does. Nice rod, but I wouldn't build it again. eter ----- Original Message ----- From: Grhghlndr@aol.com bob@downandacross.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 7:17 AM Subject: Canadian Canoe Has anyone built this rod? If so what do you think of it. I need asecond rod for Quebec for sea run Trout. Bret /**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you love a thing let it go,If it returns it's yours,If it doesn't, hunt it down and kill it. /**************************************************************************/ from rsgould@cmc.net Sat Jun 2 10:49:37 2001 f52FnaT22398 Subject: Rod Maker I.D. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi to all,Does anyone on the list know who a New Zealand rodmaker with the =initials W.B.D. might be? He has made a rod named "North Fork".RayP.S. Just returned from my third trip to British Columbia where I was =pursuing the wily kamloops trout. Spring is late, landed (and released) =trout to 19" but the water is still cold with few hatches. Left last =Wednesday in a snow storm to return home. Hi to all,Does anyone on the list know who a New= Fork".RayP.S. Just returned from my third trip = Columbia where I was pursuing the wily kamloops trout. Spring is late, = (and released) trout to 19" but the water is still cold with few = last Wednesday in a snow storm to return =home. from lblove@omniglobal.net Sat Jun 2 11:14:24 2001 f52GENT22676 Subject: RE: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hey everyone,You can get tri-corner scrapers from a few different place. MSC, Rutland,Bass, King Supplyall have a supply of them. Vargus and Voga also make tri cornered scraperblades thatfit into their universal handles. In a pinch, hallow grinding the faces ofa tri-cornered filewith a fine grit grinding wheel also works. Brad-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 6:07 PM Cc: and CollectingSubject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp Thanks for the plug. Yes I have used them for thirty years. If it is nottoo much, I am sending a copy of the article. Rod Rack . . .Scrapers for Cane But thetask of gathering the necessary tools and materials seemed insurmount-ableand Ireluctantly let my dream die. Later, my interest was reawakened by variousmagazine articles geared to the home rod builder. These articles hadfore-seenmy problems and led me to many sources of the tools and material Ineeded.Butone problem remained. Try as I might I could not find a satisfactoryscraperwith which to achieve the final and very exacting tapers for the canesections.None of the tools and techniques I had read about worked for me. Then, in a small Denver industrial sup-ply house, I found the tool that Iwassure must exist. It is a three cornered, bluntly tapered, hollow ground,hardsteel ma-chinist's scraper. It has provided me with the means to work totheextremely close tolerances required in the final tapering of the bamboosections. The tool should be held with the wooden handle in the palm of your handand with your index finger on top of the blade to provide the properamount ofpressure. Place the blade at a slight angle to the rod section and cant itslightly off vertical. I have found two basic strokes to be useful. The first stroke is a rapid back and forth motion used to remove materialrapidly. Be very careful when using this stroke. There is a tendency tocut intothe bamboo fibers on the return stroke which creates a small depression.Unlessextreme care is used this depression will rapidlyenlarge and become deeper, ruining the section. Should a depressionappear, aquick pass or two with a sanding block loaded with 320 grit Durite No-Filsand-paper will correct the uneven spot without taking off too muchmaterial. The second stroke is a slow one that should be made with moderatepressureinone direction only. It is used to remove the final thousandth of an inchor so from the section Shavings of .001 inch or less can be made with thisscraper. Ihave found that the scraper works best when the sections are carefullyprepared.A very light sanding with No-Fil sandpaper be-fore you begin scraping willmakethe job much easier. Since the blade is made of carbide steel it keeps its edge for a longtime. Anoc-casional pass with a fine file will dress the edge if it becomes dull. The scrapers are not easy to find. Few hardware stores carry them,althoughdealers listed under "machine tools" in the yellow pages of your telephonedi-rectory often do. The scrapers I have been using are manufactured bytheSimonds Company and by Nicholson Files; they are also available from othermanufacturers of machine tools. The best size and kind to get is astraight3/8 inch blade like the tool with the black handle in the illustra- tion.Theseare very hard to find and you will more commonly find 1/2 inch scraperswith thecurved tip like those with the light handles. These tools are called bydifferent names: machinist's scraper, bearing scraper or deburring tool.Youmight have to describe it to the clerk. The cost varies from about $3.50to$10.00 for a single tool, and up to about $20.00 for sets. The scrapersillustrated all cost in the $3.50 range and have been most satisfactory.RALPHMOON +I Jojo DeLancier wrote: Yeah, that is the only name I've ever known them by. I believe that Mr.Moon has used these for rodmaking purposes for many years. Didn't youoncewrite an article relating to the use of these, Mr. Moon? everyone, blades that tri-cornered file fine grit grinding wheel also works. Brad MoonSent: Friday, June 01, 2001 6:07 jojo@ipa.netCc: and CollectingSubject: Re: = gun vs. LampThanks for the plug. Yes I have used= Rod Rack . . . Scrapers for Cane For years I had been = my-self that I would build a bamboo rod. But the task of gathering = necessary tools and materials seemed insurmount-able and I = my dream die. Later, my interest was reawakened by various = articles geared to the home rod builder. These articles had fore-seen = problems and led me to many sources of the tools and material I = one problem remained. Try as I might I could not find a = scraper with which to achieve the final and very exacting tapers = cane sections. None of the tools and techniques I had read about = Then, in a small Denver industrial sup-ply house, I found the tool = was sure must exist. It is a three cornered, bluntly tapered, = ground, hard steel ma-chinist's scraper. It has provided me with = to work to the extremely close tolerances required in the final = The tool should be held with the wooden handle in the palm of your = and with your index finger on top of the blade to provide the = amount of pressure. Place the blade at a slight angle to the rod = and cant it slightly off vertical. I have found two basic strokes = The first stroke is a rapid back and forth motion used to remove = rapidly. Be very careful when using this stroke. There is a = cut into the bamboo fibers on the return stroke which creates a = depression. Unless extreme care is used this depression will = enlarge and become deeper, ruining the section. Should a = appear, a quick pass or two with a sanding block loaded with 320 = Durite No-Fil sand-paper will correct the uneven spot without = The second stroke is a slow one that should be made with moderate = in one direction only. It is used to remove the final thousandth = inch or so from the section Shavings of .001 inch or less can be = this scraper. I have found that the scraper works best when the = are carefully prepared. A very light sanding with No-Fil sandpaper = Since the blade is made of carbide steel it keeps its edge for a = An oc-casional pass with a fine file will dress the edge if it = The scrapers are not easy to find. Few hardware stores carry them, = dealers listed under "machine tools" in the yellow pages of your = di-rectory often do. The scrapers I have been using are = the Simonds Company and by Nicholson Files; they are also = other manufacturers of machine tools. The best size and kind to = straight 3/8 inch blade like the tool with the black handle in the = illustra-tion. These are very hard to find and you will more = 1/2 inch scrapers with the curved tip like those with the light = These tools are called by different names: machinist's scraper, = scraper or deburring tool. You might have to describe it to the = cost varies from about $3.50 to $10.00 for a single tool, and up = $20.00 for sets. The scrapers illustrated all cost in the $3.50 = =-->Yeah, that is the only name I've = them by. I believe that Mr. Moon has used these for rodmaking = many years. Didn't you once write an article relating to the use of = Mr.Moon? from TSmithwick@aol.com Sat Jun 2 11:32:14 2001 f52GWDT23077 Subject: taped splice A few people have recently asked about the taped splices. I posted a couple photos at http://members.aol.com/tsmithwick splicetip.jpg shows the end of the splice. If you look at the near section you can see the lighter colored reinforcing strip glued to the back of the section. whole splice.jpg shows the whole joint, and also shows the protective splints which are tied to the splices when the rod is not assembled. The reinforcement strips are cane strips of the same size as the strips in the joint.They are glued to the back of each section after the splices are cut. They are glued power fiber to power fiber, and then filed and carved to shape. If I had this splice to do over, I would carve these a bit thinner, as the joint is a bit bulky for my taste.Tony's suggestion of having a hardwood face on the joints sounds good to me also.Use a powerful glue. These joints get a lot of stress. from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Sat Jun 2 15:46:02 2001 f52Kk1T25600 NAA13681 NAA26296 0700 (5.5.2650.21) Subject: rod balance in the latest (summer 2001) issue of Northwest Fly Fishing is a article aboutPeter Schwab, one of the first people to write about the great steelheadfishing here on the west coast. The picture of him has him wearing the newlyinvented "belly winder reel" in 1945. This reel mounted on ones belt and therod was fished without a reel mounted on it. The reel was made by WordenCompany in Yakima Washington. Schwab wrote about it in a article in SportsAfield Fishing Annual in 1942, title a "better fly rod grasp". Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from Mark_Dyba@hotmail.com Sat Jun 2 16:07:38 2001 f52L7bT25699 Sat, 2 Jun 2001 13:20:00 -0700 "Adam Vigil" , Subject: Re: Balance FILETIME=[66657100:01C0EBA1] An old friend of mine, Bill Lynch, once said that "a reek is nothing morethan a place to keep your line." After 40 years of fly fishing I must saythat I agree. How in the world are these reel companies able to fool thepeople into buying $300 dollar reels for trout fishing. There must be agillion dollar mark-up in that stuff and a million people with too much cashin hand.Mark----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Balance i read an interview of walt powell where he saidesencially the same thing. timothy --- WILLIAM HARMS wrote:Adam, You are DEAD RIGHT, my friend. It is one of thestrangest things to me, whythere has been such a tremendous proliferation offly reel manufacturers(and models) over the past 5-7 years, and yet nearlyall of those reels arefar, far heavier than they should be. And now thelarge arbor reels(although handy, in one sense) are heavier still. Ijust don't understandit. How in the world did this hoax about a"balanced" outfit ever emerge? It's one thing to perpetrate a marketing ploy on theunsuspecting "newbies"and make it stick, but why have experienced flyfishermen fall for thisnonsense? Vince Marinaro was exactly correct in hisanalysis of thedampening effect of weight in the grip area of arod. Vince and I spentmany years together, fishing and building rods, andwe know how deadlyweight is to the action of a good rod. The lighestreel you can possiblyfind is what is wanted. I don't believe you'll ever convince the marketplacethat all these fancyand expensive new reels offer no practicticalimprovement for ordinary troutfishing. On the contrary, most of the newer reelsonly hamper a rod'snatural abilities. Give me a Hardy or the old OrvisCFO--these will alwaysbe my first choice in a reel (although,size-for-size, one could also find acouple other reels that are lightweight). cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Adam Vigil" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:37 PMSubject: Re: Balance I have always found the notion of stationary rodbalance an interesting one.Casting and playing fish are the most importantactions of the rod why do wespend so much time trying to balance rods on ourindex fingers looking for abalance point. We all now that the dynamic actionof a fly rod whilecasting changes the point of balanceinstantaneously. Not only is thebalance of the rod changed constantly due to theacceleration/decelerationof the tip and mid section it is changed by theactively changing weight ofthe line as the length is increased and decreased.What is perceived as"balanced" while resting it on an index finger doesnot translate into"balanced" while it is in action. The fact of thematter is a heavy reel oradding weight to a reel seat may feel balanced whenholding it still, ittends to rob the rod of its potential in casting.The trend nowadays islight rods and heavy reels, This is a mistake.Vince Marinaro spelled itout quite well in his book In the Ring of the Rise.He speaks on this veryissue of balanced rods, heavy reels and weightedreel seats. He tells ofLeonard breaking all casting records in his day bydoing something differentin his tournament casting. Leonard came up onto thecasting platform withrod in hand with no reel, he put the line onto thefloor and broke manyrecords in distance casting. What he had found outthat others hadn't was aheavy reel dampens the rods action and thus robs itof some of its potentialenergy. Go out and cast your rods with a heavy reeland no reel and note thedistance you can cast as well as the action of therod and the energyrequired to cast. I did this twenty years ago andhave always looked forlight reels for my rods. Light reels I recommend isHardy light weightseries, Ross Colorado, Tibor light trout series andBill Ballans heirloomand classic reels (they are not the lightest butsometime traditionprevails). Sorry about the length, Adam Vigil Chino, CA. ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from robertgkope@home.com Sat Jun 2 20:04:16 2001 f5314GT28370 femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com ;Sat, 2 Jun 2001 18:04:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Bob, I prefer my heat gun. I used a lamp on my first rod and had problems =avoiding charring the cane. I find the heat gun much easier to control =and easier to focus the heat for removing the kinks at nodes. You can =turn the temperature down to where there is little risk of burning the =cane, and with a fishtail attachment, you can heat up several inches of =cane or focus it on a single spot. To be fair, I just fired up the old =lamp and gave it another try. I still prefer the gun in spite of the = -- Robert Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 5:04 AMSubject: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp HI all:Two things to share after having received a big tool order. (Of course = 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are fantastic for =removing glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the time I spent, =and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their shape =allows pretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp before yesterday, having always =used my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am thoroughly impressed by =the lamp. I found it much easier to control the application of heat. It =is faster and much quieter. I have an extinguisher by the bench, and I = Here's the question...how many prefer the gun over the lamp? (and vice =versa) Bob Maulucci= http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboo=rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, =and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com Bob, much easier to control and easier to focus the heat for removing the = burning the cane, and with a fishtail attachment, you can heat up = --Robert ----- Original Message ----- Maulucci Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 =5:04 AMSubject: Survey: Heat gun vs. =LampHI all:Two things to share after having received a = order. (Of course these items are available other places, so no = interest). 1. The triangular scrapers (like in the GW catalog) are = fantastic for removing glue from the blanks. It really cut down on the = spent, and they seem to be very gentle, removing only the glue. Their = allows pretty nice precision.2. I had never used an alcohol lamp = yesterday, having always used my noisy heat gun. I have to admit, I am = thoroughly impressed by the lamp. I found it much easier to control = application of heat. It is faster and much quieter. I have an = the bench, and I am being careful to use the right fuel. = versa) = = bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for= quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, = accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com= from robertgkope@home.com Sat Jun 2 20:04:37 2001 f5314aT28389 femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com ;Sat, 2 Jun 2001 18:04:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Some bone fish rod thoughts This is a multi-part message in MIME format. That sounds a lot like Chris Bogart's Big Dog. Robert Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 4:46 PMSubject: Re: Some bone fish rod thoughts Taylor, I've never fished salt water and likely will not but your request =tripped the memory cells and I had a look @ a book written by Joe Brooks =called the "Complete Book of Flyfishing and published in 1948 . Mr. =Brooks for many years was the fishing editor for Outdoor Life magazine =and had the opportunity to fish around the world. from what I can =remember, he, with others, pioneered fishing salt with flies. His =comments are particularly important as he would have had access to a =host of rods from all manufacturers.Joe wrote: " The 9 and 9 1/2 footers are also commonly used in =saltwater flyfishing. When you are fishing the salt there is usually =some wind and to meet this contingency alone the slow 9' or 9 1/2' rod =is far ahead of either a shorter or faster stick, both of which would =call for repeated false casts to get the line out in the wind, =especially with the large, wind resistant flies used in the salt.The long slow rod also allow you to make long casts and because of the =height of the rod, to drop your fly in water five inches deep and, by =holding the rod high as you retrieve, to then swim that fly nicely =through this thin water. The slow action is also of prime importance =because saltwater fish are continually on the move, not on a feeding =station, as are trout, and the angler must flip the fly out fast to an =oncomer before it sees him and flushes. In many cases saltwater fly =fishing call for spilt-second action. The faster the fly is delivered, =the more likely it will get a hit. A slow action rod will get the fly =out with a single false cast, while a shorter, stiffer stick would =require several.He goes on to say: " In my opinion, the 9 1/2 foot stick has it over =the 9 footer for saltwater casting because it can do everything the =shorter one can, and can do a couple of them better. It enables the =caster to keep his back cast high, and lets him impart better action to =the fly, which is important in the salt; and it also enables him to keep =the fly high in the water when fishing the shallows, so that it will not =sink and catch on underwater growth. However, a 9 foot rod with a slow =action will also handle a WF8F line, which is best suited to ocean =fishing."And to para-phrase a complete paragraph: " Stiff rod show their value =when anglers go for 100 pound tarpon .... The same applies with the fly =rod technique for taking sailfish and striped marlin. The slow action =alone does the job except for the few anglers who go for extra-big =fish."And for line sizes he says: "A WF8F will being out everything that is =in the rod. You can short the head of the line and the weight up front =will pull the shooting line after it. It is possible to pick up 35 feet =of line and shoot a additional 35 feet, all with only one back cast. It =takes the work out a fishing and an angler who uses this equipment can =fish all day with pleasure. Yet if he were to try to pick up, say 50 =feet of line, false cast it a couple of times, and heave it out, his arm =would fall off by the end of the day."So from a man who has nearly done it all in terms of flyfishing around =the world, Joe seems convinced that a 9 or 9 1/2 foot slow action in a 8 =wt. is the answer.Thought you might like to factor this into your decision. catch ya' Don That sounds a lot like Chris Bogart's = Dog. Robert ----- Original Message ----- & Sandy Andersen ; =rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 =4:46 PMSubject: Re: Some bone fish rod= thoughtsTaylor,I've never fished salt water and likely = but your request tripped the memory cells and I had a look @ a book = Joe Brooks called the "Complete Book of Flyfishing and published in = Brooks for many years was the fishing editor for Outdoor Life magazine = the opportunity to fish around the world. from what I can remember, = others, pioneered fishing salt with flies. His comments are = manufacturers.Joe wrote: " The 9 and 9 1/2 footers are also = in saltwater flyfishing. When you are fishing the salt there is = wind and to meet this contingency alone the slow 9' or 9 1/2' rod is = of either a shorter or faster stick, both of which would call for = false casts to get the line out in the wind, especially with the = resistant flies used in the salt.The long slow rod also allow you = long casts and because of the height of the rod, to drop your fly in = five inches deep and, by holding the rod high as you retrieve, to then = that fly nicely through this thin water. The slow action is also of = importance because saltwater fish are continually on the move, not on = feeding station, as are trout, and the angler must flip the fly out = oncomer before it sees him and flushes. In many cases saltwater fly = call for spilt-second action. The faster the fly is delivered, the = it will get a hit. A slow action rod will get the fly out with a = cast, while a shorter, stiffer stick would require several.He goes = say: " In my opinion, the 9 1/2 foot stick has it over the 9 footer = saltwater casting because it can do everything the shorter one can, = a couple of them better. It enables the caster to keep his back cast = lets him impart better action to the fly, which is important in the = it also enables him to keep the fly high in the water when fishing the = shallows, so that it will not sink and catch on underwater growth. = 9 foot rod with a slow action will also handle a WF8F line, which is = suited to ocean fishing."And to para-phrase a complete paragraph: = rod show their value when anglers go for 100 pound tarpon .... The = applies with the fly rod technique for taking sailfish and striped = slow action alone does the job except for the few anglers who go for = fish."And for line sizes he says: "A WF8F will being out = is in the rod. You can short the head of the line and the weight up = pull the shooting line after it. It is possible to pick up 35 feet of = shoot a additional 35 feet, all with only one back cast. It takes the = pleasure. Yet if he were to try to pick up, say 50 feet of line, false = a couple of times, and heave it out, his arm would fall off by the end = day."So from a man who has nearly done it all in terms of = around the world, Joe seems convinced that a 9 or 9 1/2 foot slow = 8 wt. is the answer.Thought you might like to factor this into = decision.catchya'Don from Dennishigham@cs.com Sun Jun 3 10:30:06 2001 f53FU5T07906 Subject: Grayrock 2001 Schedule cattanach@wmis.net, ccurrojr@voyager.net, BambooRods@aol.com,Bambull@webtv.net, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu,steves@troutbums.com,MiTiernan@aol.com Gentlemen; register) here's the schedule for the rodmakers gathering @ Grayling,MI., June 21-23.We'll start with dinner at Whispering Pines Campground, Thurs. night the21st starting around 6pm and going until ???. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Grayling there will be maps available at the "Clubhouse". The "Clubhouse" is the cream cinderblock building across the street from The Fly Factory (Ray's Canoe Livery) on main street(highway 72 )& on the river in Grayling. Drive thru Grayling from the south, cross the river look right...you can't miss it.All Friday and Saturday activities will be at the Clubhouse.Friday9am Welcome & Harold Demarest speaking about his friend Luis Marden. Mr. Marden was the Chief of the Foreign Editorial Staff for National Geographic anda bamboo rodmaker. Luis' rodmaking equipment will be available for purchase on Saturday afternoon. 10am-4pm Beginners Workshop - Wayne Cattanach and a group of BambooElves10am Al Medved will demonstrate the Medved Beveler and the Medved TaperMill11am Reed Curry/Olaf Borge - Silk Lines their use,care and restoration. Olaf is a dealer in both Theibault and Phoenix lines and will have silk lines in weights 2 to 9 in both weight forward and double taper available for those who want to try a silk line. Special graphite dispensation for those who want to trya silk line on that 8 or 9wt bonefish rod.12am Lunch 1pm Morgan Hand Mill - Doug Hall & Dennis Higham2pm Nodeless Construction - Chris Bogart3pm The Grand Experiment - John Long. The Grand Experiment was aproject involving a number of rodmakers headed by John to build a series of rodsto the same taper but using different construction techniques...ie no heat treating, hollow built, etc. 4pm Casting Workshop - Tune up your cast or work on some advancedtechniques?pm Dinner & 90th Birthday Party for Harold Demarest Saturday9am Rod/Taper Design - Wayne Cattanach10am Finishing Techniques - John Zimny11am Ferrule Mounting - Jeff Wagner12pm Lunch1- 4pm Sell & Swap for those who want to sell or swap 1pm Alternate Grips of Bark & Rattan - Mike Biondo & Al Medved2pm Sharp-O-Rama - Miles Tiernan will demonstrate all the various ways to sharpen plane blades3pm Building Hexagonal Wood Rodcases - Ron Barch4pm Discussion Group w/ a number of accomplished/professionalrodmakers answering audience questions 5pm Trout Bum Bar-B-Q - This is a separate and voluntary activity requiring separate registration and a $50.00 fee. contact Steve Southard at517-348- 5844 or steves@troutbums.com or Victor Edwards at 517-348-8956 for info. gathering, registration form and pictures of past rodmakers gatherings or www.troutbums.com for TBBQ info Best, Dennis from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sun Jun 3 11:42:53 2001 f53GgqT08772 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu --part1_20.175ebd49.284bc2ff_boundary If you listen to Hendrix or Stevie Ray Vaughn like I do you can use the heatgun with no problem with hearing the music.LOL!Bret --part1_20.175ebd49.284bc2ff_boundary If you listen to Hendrix or Stevie Ray Vaughn like I do you can use the heatgun with no problem with hearing the music.LOL! --part1_20.175ebd49.284bc2ff_boundary-- from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jun 3 16:30:18 2001 f53LUGT11553 Subject: Re: Balance Mark, Considering that the wholesale price of the reel is 40% less than the retailoffering, that gives you a dealer cost of $ 180.00. Ever try to make a reelof that caliber? Betcha' can't for $ 300.00, much less for $ 180.00. Thesame goes for plastic rods. Everybody has to make money, and fly fishing isa niche market. Niche markets always command greater prices from thelimitedmarket. You are correct, I believe, about reels being nothing more than lineholders. It's just that some people prefer a nicer line holder than others.With the now available plastic reels it is possible to obtain a line holder plastic ones for that matter, but I don't. It takes all types, and there'salways someone ready to market to them. M-D An old friend of mine, Bill Lynch, once said that "a reek is nothing morethan a place to keep your line." After 40 years of fly fishing I must saythat I agree. How in the world are these reel companies able to fool thepeople into buying $300 dollar reels for trout fishing. There must be agillion dollar mark-up in that stuff and a million people with too muchcashin hand.Mark----- Original Message -----From: timothy troester Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:19 PMSubject: Re: Balance i read an interview of walt powell where he saidesencially the same thing. timothy --- WILLIAM HARMS wrote:Adam, You are DEAD RIGHT, my friend. It is one of thestrangest things to me, whythere has been such a tremendous proliferation offly reel manufacturers(and models) over the past 5-7 years, and yet nearlyall of those reels arefar, far heavier than they should be. And now thelarge arbor reels(although handy, in one sense) are heavier still. Ijust don't understandit. How in the world did this hoax about a"balanced" outfit ever emerge? It's one thing to perpetrate a marketing ploy on theunsuspecting "newbies"and make it stick, but why have experienced flyfishermen fall for thisnonsense? Vince Marinaro was exactly correct in hisanalysis of thedampening effect of weight in the grip area of arod. Vince and I spentmany years together, fishing and building rods, andwe know how deadlyweight is to the action of a good rod. The lighestreel you can possiblyfind is what is wanted. I don't believe you'll ever convince the marketplacethat all these fancyand expensive new reels offer no practicticalimprovement for ordinary troutfishing. On the contrary, most of the newer reelsonly hamper a rod'snatural abilities. Give me a Hardy or the old OrvisCFO--these will alwaysbe my first choice in a reel (although,size-for-size, one could also find acouple other reels that are lightweight). cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Adam Vigil" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:37 PMSubject: Re: Balance I have always found the notion of stationary rodbalance an interesting one.Casting and playing fish are the most importantactions of the rod why do wespend so much time trying to balance rods on ourindex fingers looking for abalance point. We all now that the dynamic actionof a fly rod whilecasting changes the point of balanceinstantaneously. Not only is thebalance of the rod changed constantly due to theacceleration/decelerationof the tip and mid section it is changed by theactively changing weight ofthe line as the length is increased and decreased.What is perceived as"balanced" while resting it on an index finger doesnot translate into"balanced" while it is in action. The fact of thematter is a heavy reel oradding weight to a reel seat may feel balanced whenholding it still, ittends to rob the rod of its potential in casting.The trend nowadays islight rods and heavy reels, This is a mistake.Vince Marinaro spelled itout quite well in his book In the Ring of the Rise.He speaks on this veryissue of balanced rods, heavy reels and weightedreel seats. He tells ofLeonard breaking all casting records in his day bydoing something differentin his tournament casting. Leonard came up onto thecasting platform withrod in hand with no reel, he put the line onto thefloor and broke manyrecords in distance casting. What he had found outthat others hadn't was aheavy reel dampens the rods action and thus robs itof some of its potentialenergy. Go out and cast your rods with a heavy reeland no reel and note thedistance you can cast as well as the action of therod and the energyrequired to cast. I did this twenty years ago andhave always looked forlight reels for my rods. Light reels I recommend isHardy light weightseries, Ross Colorado, Tibor light trout series andBill Ballans heirloomand classic reels (they are not the lightest butsometime traditionprevails). Sorry about the length, Adam Vigil Chino, CA. ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jun 3 17:05:10 2001 f53M59T12075 Subject: Re: Straightening Blanks List: The long distance phone lines were out around here for an afternoon and anight, I was waiting for the digest yesterday to see how much had beenposted to the List. I didn't get the digest at all yesterday, so still don'tknow. As to what I have been experimenting with: I got some braided PET wire loomthat will withstand higher temperatures. This works on the Chinese handcuffprinciple. I have tried various weights hanging from the end, and keptthinking that I didn't have enough weight. Well, at 20 lbs. it doesn't makeany more difference than does 2*. If there was a bend in the section before,there'll be one after. I got to thinking that with all the friction provided from the braid itself that the section couldn't slide if it wanted to, sonow am experimenting with having only a piece at each end for 6"- 8", with10 lbs. hung from the end. Now, I had the sections straight as it were, butwe'll see if this manifests any change. They weren't perfectly straight, andmaybe they will be after all. I'll know tomorrow, and will report. M-D from Lazybee45@aol.com Sun Jun 3 19:38:40 2001 f540cdT13973 Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In a message dated 6/3/01 11:43:29 AM Central Daylight Time, Grhghlndr@aol.com writes: Emmerson,Lake and Palmer, or maybe Jethro Tull. POSSIBLY even TabBenoit! Good screaming Blues works well too.mark visit Magic Mark's home page http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html from bob@downandacross.com Sun Jun 3 19:58:30 2001 f540wTT14415 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp --=====================_2875703==_.ALT I prefer King Crimson or Allan Holdsworth, but those work for me too.Bob At 08:38 PM 6/3/2001 -0400, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 6/3/01 11:43:29 AM Central Daylight Time,Grhghlndr@aol.com writes: heatgun with no problem with hearing the music.LOL! >> Emmerson,Lake and Palmer, or maybe Jethro Tull. POSSIBLY even TabBenoit!Good screaming Blues works well too.mark visit Magic Mark's home pagehttp://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_2875703==_.ALT I prefer King Crimson or Allan Holdsworth, but those work for me too. BobAt 08:38 PM 6/3/2001 -0400, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 6/3/01 11:43:29AM Central Daylight Time, Grhghlndr@aol.com writes:<< If you listen to Hendrix or Stevie Ray Vaughn like I do you canuse the even Good screaming Blues works well too.markvisit Magic Mark's home page http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com,your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders,sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716- 867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_2875703==_.ALT-- from bob@downandacross.com Sun Jun 3 20:07:09 2001 f54178T14721 Jun 2001 21:07:05 -0400 Subject: Urac failure --=====================_3392331==_.ALT I used the Borden brand Urac today and had it fail. I thoroughly mixed 20 g of the liquid with 3 g of the powder (used the scale I bought from McMaster-Carr). Suggested ratio was 100 parts to 15 parts. I had somespare strips to try. I bound them and let sit for about 12 hours at 65- 70* or so. I took the string off and I put them in the drying cab at 80*-85*. When I checked at the 24 hour mark, they delaminated pretty badly. Any ideas? Could it be that I needed to keep them bound? Or could the strips have been too dry? Any help would be appreciated. I loved the clean up and the color, but need it to work. I am sure I did something wrong, but I don't know what. I would really like to use this glue, as it seemed great. Bottle said 75 was optimal but the basement is 10* lower, drying cabinet is 80-85* this time of year. Thanks in advance, Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_3392331==_.ALT I used the Borden brand Urac today and had it fail. I thoroughly mixed 20g of the liquid with 3 g of the powder (used the scale I bought fromMcMaster- Carr). Suggested ratio was 100 parts to 15 parts. I had somespare strips to try. I bound them and let sit for about 12 hours at65-70* or so. I took the string off and I put them in the drying cab at80*-85*. When I checked at the 24 hour mark, they delaminated prettybadly. Any ideas? Could it be that I needed to keep them bound? Or couldthe strips have been too dry? Any help would be appreciated. I loved theclean up and the color, but need it to work. I am sure I did somethingwrong, but I don't know what. I would really like to use this glue, as itseemed great. Bottle said 75 was optimal but the basement is 10* lower,drying cabinet is 80-85* this time of year. Thanks in advance, Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com,your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders,sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716- 867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_3392331==_.ALT-- from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Jun 3 20:18:44 2001 f541IhT15252 2001 18:18:41 PDT Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp bob@downandacross.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu how about zoot sims. timothy --- Lazybee45@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 6/3/01 11:43:29 AM CentralDaylight Time, Grhghlndr@aol.com writes: like I do you can use the heatgun with no problem with hearing the music.LOL! Emmerson,Lake and Palmer, or maybe Jethro Tull. POSSIBLY even Tab Benoit! Good screaming Blues works well too.mark visit Magic Mark's home page http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from mgjanik@yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 00:15:44 2001 f545FiT18165 2001 22:15:41 PDT Subject: Having trouble getting even strips 991631741=:61583" --0-596516649-991631741=:61583 ---------------------------------Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.--0-596516649- 991631741=:61583 Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! MailPersonal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.--0-596516649-991631741=:61583-- from petermckean@netspace.net.au Mon Jun 4 05:24:14 2001 f54AOCT21273 f54ANxc08931; Subject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp This is a multi-part message in MIME format. What? WHAT? Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:58 AMSubject: Re: Survey: Heat gun vs. Lamp Bob At 08:38 PM 6/3/2001 -0400, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: Grhghlndr@aol.com writes: Emmerson,Lake and Palmer, or maybe Jethro Tull. POSSIBLY even Tab = Good screaming Blues works well too.mark http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.htmlBob Maulucci= http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboo=rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, =and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com ----- Original Message ----- Maulucci ; robertgkope@home.com ;rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 = AMSubject: Re: Survey: Heat gun = LampI prefer King Crimson or Allan Holdsworth, but those = me too. BobAt 08:38 PM 6/3/2001 -0400, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 6/3/01= writes:<< If you listen to Hendrix or Stevie Ray = maybe = well too.markvisit Magic Mark's home page http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.=html = = bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for= quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, = accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com= from Grhghlndr@aol.com Mon Jun 4 08:07:13 2001 f54D7DT23627 Subject: Cork Does anyone know where I can get some cork that is not drilled? I am in the process of building a 5' one piece and the handle area of the cane is so small I can not use rings that are already drilled. I only need enough to make a handle 5 1/2"s long. This is a taper that Nunley had on the list awhile back, throws a two weight.Bret from douglosey@spectrumenergy.com Mon Jun 4 09:17:25 2001 f54EHPT26559 Subject: spinning rod tapers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi all, i am beginning work on a second rod and would like to try a light =spinning rod for my father, could anyone share spinning rod tapers for a =6'-6" to 7'-0" rod? thanks, losey Hi all, i am beginning work on a second rod and= to try a light spinning rod for my father, could anyone share spinning = tapers for a 6'-6" to 7'-0" rod? thanks, losey from ttalsma@macatawa.org Mon Jun 4 09:50:42 2001 f54EogT28110 Subject: Re: spinning rod tapers Losey, Here are some tapers that I've saved off of the list over the years: 6' - up to 1/4 oz. Lures Station Measurement Setting1 1/4" 0.079 0.03955" 0.081 0.040510" 0.096 0.048015" 0.119 0.059520" 0.134 0.067025" 0.151 0.075530" 0.161 0.080534 1/2" 0.171 0.085538 1/4" 0.186 0.093040" 0.192 0.096044 3/4" 0.203 0.101550" 0.216 0.108055" 0.231 0.115560" 0.241 0.120562 1/2" 0.246 0.123065" 0.251 0.125570" 0.251 0.125572" 0.251 0.1255 from Richard Tyree 5' 6" - 2 piece - UL Station Measurement Setting0" 0.070 0.03505" 0.920 0.460010" 0.104 0.052015" 0.110 0.055020" 0.124 0.062025" 0.144 0.072030" 0.166 0.083035" 0.182 0.091040" 0.188 0.094045" 0.206 0.103050" 0.236 0.118055" 0.250 0.125060" 0.250 0.125066" 0.250 0.1250 Ferrule: #11 Tip Top: 4 1/2 from Richard Tyree 7' - 2 piece - UL - 6 to 10# line Station Measurement Setting1 1/2" 0.100 0.05004 1/2" 0.115 0.05756 1/2" 0.120 0.060010" 0.132 0.066015" 0.146 0.073019" 0.154 0.077021 1/2" 0.167 0.083525" 0.179 0.089530" 0.194 0.097035" 0.206 0.103040 1/2" 0.214 0.107044 1/2" 0.238 0.119050" 0.252 0.126055" 0.267 0.133560" 0.280 0.140065" 0.294 0.147070" 0.308 0.1540 Ferrule: #15 Tip Top: 6 from Richard Tyree 5' - 2 piece - UL Station Measurement Setting0" 0.072 0.03605" 0.074 0.037010" 0.092 0.046015" 0.104 0.052020" 0.110 0.055025" 0.124 0.062030" 0.144 0.072035" 0.166 0.083040" 0.182 0.091045" 0.188 0.094050" 0.206 0.103055" 0.236 0.118060" 0.250 0.1250 Ferrule: #11 Tip Top: 5 from Richard Tyree Sharpes - 7' - 2 piece Station Measurement Setting1" 0.114 0.05705" 0.126 0.063010" 0.147 0.073515" 0.169 0.084520" 0.178 0.089025" 0.197 0.098530" 0.210 0.105035" 0.233 0.116539" 0.244 0.1220Ferrule 45" 0.280 0.140050" 0.294 0.147055" 0.304 0.152060" 0.318 0.159065" 0.325 0.162570" 0.333 0.166572" 0.343 0.1715 Bernard Hills - 7'6" Station Measurement Setting0" 0.103 0.05155" 0.136 0.068010" 0.136 0.068015" 0.154 0.077020" 0.172 0.086025" 0.184 0.092030" 0.196 0.098035" 0.216 0.108040" 0.229 0.114545" 0.239 0.119550" 0.254 0.127055" 0.269 0.134560" 0.271 0.135565" 0.284 0.142070" 0.312 0.156075" 0.327 0.163580" 0.327 0.163585" 0.327 0.163590" 0.327 0.1635 Guides: 4 1/2" 10 1/2"17 1/2" 25 1/4"33 1/4" 42 1/8"53 1/2" 63"-- Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/home page: http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/index.htmgenealogy pages:http://members.nbci.com/ttalsma/family/index.htm from homes-sold@home.com Mon Jun 4 10:31:15 2001 f54FVET29981 femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com Subject: test This is a multi-part message in MIME format. test test from atlasc1@earthlink.net Mon Jun 4 11:36:41 2001 f54GaeT02511 JAA21805; Subject: Re: Balance Bill Thank You! It seems strange that some would take issue on this matter. Instead oftrying to cast with a lighter reel to see if it is true they start to saytournament casting is different than stream casting....well no kidding. Iftheir preference is for heavier reels more power to them, they are going toneed it literally! Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Balance Adam, You are DEAD RIGHT, my friend. >It's one thing to perpetrate a marketing ploy on the unsuspecting"newbies"and make it stick, but why have experienced fly fishermen fall for thisnonsense> ----- from homes-sold@home.com Mon Jun 4 13:20:26 2001 f54IKPT06314 femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com Subject: test This is a multi-part message in MIME format. test test from stoltz10@home.com Mon Jun 4 17:39:05 2001 f54Md4T14776 femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com Subject: test This is a multi-part message in MIME format. from jojo@ipa.net Mon Jun 4 18:07:36 2001 f54N7ZT15449 Subject: Re: Straightening Blanks Okay, my little ploy didn't seem to work. The slight bow in the section wasstill there this afternoon. I can only conclude that if one wants straightblanks, then one must make them straight to begin with, and not rely uponweighting measures to rectify a poor job of straightening; either that, orstraighten with heat after the fact. I have another idea that may help toget a perfectly straight blank, but it will be a while before I have time tomake the gonkulator and the rectumgator to do it. M-D List: The long distance phone lines were out around here for an afternoon and anight, I was waiting for the digest yesterday to see how much had beenposted to the List. I didn't get the digest at all yesterday, so stilldon'tknow. As to what I have been experimenting with: I got some braided PET wireloomthat will withstand higher temperatures. This works on the Chinesehandcuffprinciple. I have tried various weights hanging from the end, and keptthinking that I didn't have enough weight. Well, at 20 lbs. it doesn'tmakeany more difference than does 2*. If there was a bend in the sectionbefore,there'll be one after. I got to thinking that with all the frictionprovided from the braid itself that the section couldn't slide if it wanted to, sonow am experimenting with having only a piece at each end for 6"- 8", with10 lbs. hung from the end. Now, I had the sections straight as it were,butwe'll see if this manifests any change. They weren't perfectly straight,andmaybe they will be after all. I'll know tomorrow, and will report. M-D from Kengorific@aol.com Mon Jun 4 20:31:40 2001 f551VdT17662 Subject: first rod finished! Well I finally put the last coat of varnish on the wraps last night and I cast my first cane rod this morning! Thanks to all on the list who helped me through the proccess. A special thank you to Tom Smithwick, he went well beyond the call of duty and through his help I had all the info and material I needed. I am very pleased with my little 6' 2 pc, it throws a 3wt line with a nice crisp punch, and even felt pretty good with a 5wt line. I am going to borrow a 4 wt line and reel from a friend tomorrow & see which works the best. I can't wait to try this stick on some of the local pocket water, but I still need a few weeks for the spring run off to mellow out. (my favorite little stream fishes great at 130 cfm, It's running almost 550 cfm now, you know it's not a good day to fish when the people are carrying kayaks!) from bob@downandacross.com Mon Jun 4 21:21:31 2001 f552LUT18775 Subject: Re: first rod finished! --=====================_23684074==_.ALT Good for you. I am excited to hear how it fishes. Doesn't it make the struggle all worth it?Best regards,Bob At 09:31 PM 6/4/2001 -0400, Kengorific@aol.com wrote:Well I finally put the last coat of varnish on the wraps last night and Icast my first cane rod this morning! Thanks to all on the list who helped methrough the proccess. A special thank you to Tom Smithwick, he went wellbeyond the call of duty and through his help I had all the info and materialI needed. I am very pleased with my little 6' 2 pc, it throws a 3wt line with a nicecrisp punch, and even felt pretty good with a 5wt line. I am going to borrowa 4 wt line and reel from a friend tomorrow & see which works the best. I can't wait to try this stick on some of the local pocket water, but I stillneed a few weeks for the spring run off to mellow out. (my favorite littlestream fishes great at 130 cfm, It's running almost 550 cfm now, youknowit's not a good day to fish when the people are carrying kayaks!) Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_23684074==_.ALT Good for you. I am excited to hear how it fishes. Doesn't it make thestruggle all worth it?Best regards,BobAt 09:31 PM 6/4/2001 -0400, Kengorific@aol.com wrote:Well I finally put the last coat ofvarnish on the wraps last night and I helped me well beyond the call of duty and through his help I had all the info andmaterial I needed. a nice to borrow a 4 wt line and reel from a friend tomorrow & see which works the I can't wait to try this stick on some of the local pocket water, but Istill need a few weeks for the spring run off to mellow out. (my favoritelittle stream fishes great at 130 cfm, It's running almost 550 cfm now, you know Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com,your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders,sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716- 867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_23684074==_.ALT-- from vfish@vFish.net Mon Jun 4 23:22:52 2001 f554MpT20657 Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:22:48 -0500 Subject: RE: first rod finished! Congrats! Darrellwww.vfish.net -----Original Message----- Subject: first rod finished! Well I finally put the last coat of varnish on the wraps last night and Icast my first cane rod this morning! Thanks to all on the list who helpedmethrough the proccess. A special thank you to Tom Smithwick, he went wellbeyond the call of duty and through his help I had all the info and materialI needed. I am very pleased with my little 6' 2 pc, it throws a 3wt line with a nicecrisp punch, and even felt pretty good with a 5wt line. I am going toborrowa 4 wt line and reel from a friend tomorrow & see which works the best. I can't wait to try this stick on some of the local pocket water, but Istillneed a few weeks for the spring run off to mellow out. (my favorite littlestream fishes great at 130 cfm, It's running almost 550 cfm now, you knowit's not a good day to fish when the people are carrying kayaks!) from caneman@clnk.com Mon Jun 4 23:57:58 2001 f554vvT21231 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:25:13 -0500 Subject: Fishing trip help! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Howdy again!Folks, I am in need of some fishing advice. I am taking a trip to =Florida, leaving this June 9th. Sometime on the return trip I plan to =go through Raleigh, NC., Winston-Salem, NC., Gatlinburg, TN., Nashville, =TN then on back to Oklahoma.What I need are any suggestions of coldwater streams in North =Carolina and Tennessee. My understanding is that there is some pretty =fair Brookie fishing in Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina and =sure would appreciate any advice on where exactly to go, and what to =fish... Hell, could even use another cane addict if you can get a day =away to fish. I'll be in a Motor Home full of kids and will definitely =need the break by the end of the trip... Florida is theirs, NC and TN =are MINE!!!!! Thanks in advance,Bob Howdy again! trip I plan to go through Raleigh, NC., Winston-Salem, NC., Gatlinburg, = Nashville, TN then on back to Oklahoma. pretty fair Brookie fishing in Eastern Tennessee and Western North = sure would appreciate any advice on where exactly to go, and what to = break by the end of the trip... Florida is theirs, NC and TN are =MINE!!!!! Thanks in advance,Bob from saweiss@flash.net Tue Jun 5 00:46:05 2001 f555k4T22174 f555k1E74812 Subject: Alabama fishing Organization: Prodigy Internet This is a multi-part message in MIME format. My daughter and son-in-law are moving to Tuscaloosa. He will be teaching =at the university.Any fellow rodmakers around the area that would care to talk about the =fishing opportunities nearby? Please respond offsite.Steve My daughter and son-in-law are = Tuscaloosa. He will be teaching at the university.Any fellow rodmakers around thearea = would care to talk about the fishing opportunities nearby? Please = offsite.Steve from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Tue Jun 5 06:02:33 2001 f55B2XT26022 Subject: Re: Fishing trip help! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Bob: from your itinery I am assuming you are planning on traveling I95 north = from Florida to Raleigh then I-40 west. When you get to Winston =Salem/Greensboro you might want to take Hwy 421 west to Boone, NC. In =Boone you are close to the headwaters of the Watauga River (nice delayed =harvest waters), also some real nice mountain stream fishing for Brook, = Coming west into Tennessee you have so many streams to choose from like=Beaver Dam Creek, Whitetop Laurel, Tennessee Laurel, Doe Creek, Doe =River, S. Indian Creek, and of course the Watauga River (Tennessee side =is a good tailwater fishery), S. Holston tailwater. When you get to =Gatlinburg there is some good fishing there as well. Might want to =check into the Orvis flyshop in Townsend, TN for some recommendations. Joe What I need are any suggestions of coldwater streams in North =Carolina and Tennessee. My understanding is that there is some pretty =fair Brookie fishing in Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina and =sure would appreciate any advice on where exactly to go, and what to =fish... Hell, could even use another cane addict if you can get a day =away to fish. I'll be in a Motor Home full of kids and will definitely =need the break by the end of the trip... Florida is theirs, NC and TN =are MINE!!!!! Bob: from your itinery I am assuming you are planning on = Salem/Greensboro you might want to take Hwy 421 west to Boone, Boone you are close to the headwaters of the Watauga River (nice delayed = waters), also some real nice mountain stream fishing for Brook, some = Coming west into Tennessee you have so manystreams = from like Beaver Dam Creek, Whitetop Laurel, Tennessee Laurel, Doe = River, S. Indian Creek, and of course the Watauga River (Tennessee side = Orvis flyshop in Townsend, TN for some recommendations. If you want to do some fishing while in this area = Joe other....."What a Great Life". pretty fair Brookie fishing in Eastern Tennessee and Western North = and sure would appreciate any advice on where exactly to go, and what = fish... Hell, could even use another cane addict if you can get a day = MINE!!!!! from Canerods@aol.com Tue Jun 5 10:55:10 2001 f55Ft9T05033 Subject: Off topic post for AOL members only --part1_39.15ce6cd2.284e5ad3_boundary All, I've received an AOL "billing error" email on a couple of my screen name email accounts. I assume others will receive it too. It's spam. Worse it's a fake that can let people get your credit card #. Don't reply to it and for GOD's sake don't email them your credit card info!!!! If you have an AOL billing problem, log onto AOL go to keyword "Billing" and fix the problem - never by email!!!!! I sent a fwd copy off to AOL's "Tosspam" email address which is the way to get this stuff looked at by AOL. Don Burns --part1_39.15ce6cd2.284e5ad3_boundary All, I've received an AOL "billing error" email on a couple of my screen name email accounts. I assume others will receive it too. It's spam. Worse it's a fake that can let people get your credit card #. Don't reply to it and for GOD's sake don't email them your credit card info!!!! "Billing" and fix the problem - never by email!!!!! I sent a fwd copy off to AOL's "Tosspam" email address which is theway to get this stuff looked at by AOL. Don Burns --part1_39.15ce6cd2.284e5ad3_boundary-- from gjm80301@yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 11:23:42 2001 f55GNgT06319 2001 09:23:39 PDT Subject: Re: Off topic post for AOL members only Better yet, uninstall AOL, burn your computer and fumigate the house. --- Canerods@aol.com wrote:All, I've received an AOL "billing error" email on a couple of my screenname email accounts. I assume others will receive it too. It's spam. Worse it's a fake that can let people get your credit card #. Don't reply to it and for GOD's sake don't email them your creditcard info!!!! If you have an AOL billing problem, log onto AOL go to keyword"Billing" and fix the problem - never by email!!!!! I sent a fwd copy off to AOL's "Tosspam" email address which is theway to get this stuff looked at by AOL. Don Burns __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from douglosey@spectrumenergy.com Tue Jun 5 14:40:41 2001 f55JefX13177 Subject: Re: Fishing trip help! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Checkout http://www.tarheelangler.com for flyfishing in North =Carolina.... losey Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:55 AMSubject: Fishing trip help! Howdy again!Folks, I am in need of some fishing advice. I am taking a trip to =Florida, leaving this June 9th. Sometime on the return trip I plan to =go through Raleigh, NC., Winston-Salem, NC., Gatlinburg, TN., Nashville, =TN then on back to Oklahoma.What I need are any suggestions of coldwater streams in North =Carolina and Tennessee. My understanding is that there is some pretty =fair Brookie fishing in Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina and =sure would appreciate any advice on where exactly to go, and what to =fish... Hell, could even use another cane addict if you can get a day =away to fish. I'll be in a Motor Home full of kids and will definitely =need the break by the end of the trip... Florida is theirs, NC and TN =are MINE!!!!! Thanks in advance,Bob Bob, flyfishing in North Carolina.... losey ----- Original Message ----- Bob =Nunley Makers List Serve Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 = AMSubject: Fishing trip =help! Howdy again! trip I plan to go through Raleigh, NC., Winston-Salem, NC., = Nashville, TN then on back to Oklahoma. pretty fair Brookie fishing in Eastern Tennessee and Western North = and sure would appreciate any advice on where exactly to go, and what = fish... Hell, could even use another cane addict if you can get a day = MINE!!!!! Thanks in advance,Bob from harms1@pa.net Tue Jun 5 15:53:02 2001 f55Kr2X29801 Subject: Re: Alabama fishing Never been there, but I hear the catfish ponds are the way to go. Theyparticularly like the evening hatch of Royal Coachman. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Alabama fishing My daughter and son-in-law are moving to Tuscaloosa. He will be teaching atthe university.Any fellow rodmakers around the area that would care to talk about thefishing opportunities nearby? Please respond offsite.Steve from cathcreek@hotmail.com Tue Jun 5 17:21:28 2001 f55MLRX22570 Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:21:13 -0700 Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:21:12 GMT Subject: Fishing trip help!-Montana FILETIME=[D46ECA70:01C0EE0D] Will be in Kalispell next week for a family reunion. Any suggestions on fishing in the area? Never been to Montana and I am pretty excited. Thanks, Rob Robert ClarkeCatherine Creek Rodscathcreek@hotmail.comhttp://ccr_2.tripod.com/bamboo/index.html _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com from bob@downandacross.com Tue Jun 5 17:45:55 2001 f55MjeX28551 Subject: Hand Mill --=====================_9163968==_.ALT Anyone out there who finds themselves wanting to trade their regular Hand Mill for the long bed (like I have), let me know. I do not make one piecers, and I would like to have the smaller version. A long shot, but I thought I would see. I would be willing to pay shipping for both parties.Thanks, Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_9163968==_.ALT Anyone out there who finds themselves wanting to trade their regular HandMill for the long bed (like I have), let me know. I do not make onepiecers, and I would like to have the smaller version. A long shot, but Ithought I would see. I would be willing to pay shipping for bothparties.Thanks, Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com,your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders,sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716- 867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_9163968==_.ALT-- from danny.twang@pd.no Wed Jun 6 04:03:20 2001 f5693JX11319 Subject: R.L.Winston for sale in Norway This is a multi-part message in MIME format. in Norway, the current bid is $158..... = $158..... from mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com Wed Jun 6 08:58:34 2001 f56DwXX15541 Subject: Re: first rod finished! f56DwYX15542 Congratulations!! As a new rodmaker, I remember well the feeling ofsatisfaction of completing and fishing with your first rod!!!!!!! John K.-----Original Message----- Subject: first rod finished! Well I finally put the last coat of varnish on the wraps last night and I cast my first cane rod this morning! Thanks to all on the list who helped me through the proccess. A special thank you to Tom Smithwick, he went well beyond the call of duty and through his help I had all the info and material I needed. I am very pleased with my little 6' 2 pc, it throws a 3wt line with a nice crisp punch, and even felt pretty good with a 5wt line. I am going to borrow a 4 wt line and reel from a friend tomorrow & see which works the best. I can't wait to try this stick on some of the local pocket water, but I still need a few weeks for the spring run off to mellow out. (my favorite little stream fishes great at 130 cfm, It's running almost 550 cfm now, youknow it's not a good day to fish when the people are carrying kayaks!) from if6were9@bellsouth.net Wed Jun 6 10:17:53 2001 f56FHrX19584 ;Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:18:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Alabama fishing BillIt's nice to know that such preconceived notions still exist about my state. Itake comfort in knowing that pretentious blowhards such as yourself willneverbother to come here. Please keep thinking the way you do and please keepspreading your thoughts to the rest of the arrogant jerks you know, we don'twant any of you bothering us while we enjoy our fishing. It is a fact thattrout fishing is lacking here, but who cares about a wimpy little thing like atrout when there are so many species of bass and bream. Since February,whichis when it becomes nice enough to get out and fish in shirt sleeves, I've takena total of 19 bass all over 5 pounds (the largest came in at a touch over 9lb.) and dozens more under that weight. I've also caught uncounted bream,thesmallest of which can fight circles around the largest rainbow or brookiegoing.Of course I'm not much of a sportsman, I use a 5 wt for bass and a 2 wt forbream and I've only managed to release every fish I've landed in goodcondition. Oh, and I forgot to mention the burden of having to live within afew hours of some of the best saltwater fishing on the planet for flyanglers.It's not fashionable south Florida, and the local residents are hard to tell from us Alabama folks, so it goes without saying that you would not want tobother spending a day catching specks, redfish, pompano, cobia, and theoccasional tarpon if you had to put up with the likes of us. Please, for yourown sake, stay away from this jerkwater state which has produced moredoctorsand NASA patent holders than any other state in this nation. Thanks inadvance. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Never been there, but I hear the catfish ponds are the way to go. Theyparticularly like the evening hatch of Royal Coachman. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "STEVEN A WEISS" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:46 AMSubject: Alabama fishing My daughter and son-in-law are moving to Tuscaloosa. He will be teaching atthe university.Any fellow rodmakers around the area that would care to talk about thefishing opportunities nearby? Please respond offsite.Steve from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Wed Jun 6 10:33:55 2001 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) f56FXtX20695 (5.5.2653.19) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Alabama fishing One of the pleasures of this list is that we are usually reluctant to flameone another with messages full of namecalling like "pretentious blowhard"etc. Especially in response to a little good natured kidding about one'sstate from a person who regularly makes good-natured and helpfulcontributions to the list. I sympathize with what you're saying about theexcellence of warm water fishing -- in Missouri that's all I can do on aneveryweek basis. So there's no need to be so hostile, sarcastic anddefensive. Maybe it's easy for me because I live in Missouri. It's true that Missourihas a questionable reputation among many people, but it would be far worseif we didn't have Arkansas on our southern border. I understand most ofthose guys down in Arkansas go to family gatherings mainly to meet girls.You're not from Arkansas originally, are you? (Just kidding.) Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Alabama fishing BillIt's nice to know that such preconceived notions still exist about my state.Itake comfort in knowing that pretentious blowhards such as yourself willneverbother to come here. Please keep thinking the way you do and please keepspreading your thoughts to the rest of the arrogant jerks you know, we don'twant any of you bothering us while we enjoy our fishing. It is a fact thattrout fishing is lacking here, but who cares about a wimpy little thing likeatrout when there are so many species of bass and bream. Since February,whichis when it becomes nice enough to get out and fish in shirt sleeves, I'vetakena total of 19 bass all over 5 pounds (the largest came in at a touch over 9lb.) and dozens more under that weight. I've also caught uncounted bream,thesmallest of which can fight circles around the largest rainbow or brookiegoing.Of course I'm not much of a sportsman, I use a 5 wt for bass and a 2 wt forbream and I've only managed to release every fish I've landed in goodcondition. Oh, and I forgot to mention the burden of having to live withinafew hours of some of the best saltwater fishing on the planet for flyanglers.It's not fashionable south Florida, and the local residents are hard to tell from us Alabama folks, so it goes without saying that you would not want tobother spending a day catching specks, redfish, pompano, cobia, and theoccasional tarpon if you had to put up with the likes of us. Please, foryourown sake, stay away from this jerkwater state which has produced moredoctorsand NASA patent holders than any other state in this nation. Thanks inadvance. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Never been there, but I hear the catfish ponds are the way to go. Theyparticularly like the evening hatch of Royal Coachman. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "STEVEN A WEISS" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:46 AMSubject: Alabama fishing My daughter and son-in-law are moving to Tuscaloosa. He will be teachingatthe university.Any fellow rodmakers around the area that would care to talk about thefishing opportunities nearby? Please respond offsite.Steve from lawdevil@ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 6 10:50:25 2001 f56FoOX21601 Subject: RE: Alabama fishing I can't stand it any more - Do you know what the state motto of ALabama is? "Thank God forMississippi!" Alabama's state animal is .... a Dead Dog in the Highway (courtesy of LewisGrizzard). Let's lighten up fellas! BTW, my family is from Alabama and I used to live there! Mike KlingB@health.missouri.edu wrote:> One of the pleasures of this list is that we are usually reluctant to flameoneanother with messages full of namecalling like "pretentious blowhard"etc. -----Original Message----- It's nice to know that such preconceived notions still exist about my state. from aldupon@sympatico.ca Wed Jun 6 10:59:35 2001 f56FxYX22236 VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:02:29 -0400 ns2U0e0btwUq5f Subject: Re: Xxxx fishing Hi, Welcome, to you all. I came here to gather informations on rodbuilding, well... Is it the Bamboo Rod Makers List ? Alain. from flytyr@southshore.com Wed Jun 6 11:13:10 2001 f56GDAX22971 f56GGPb28097;Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:16:25 -0500 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Alabama fishing Barry,Be careful what you say about Arkansas, I live here now. You don't want toruffle my hackles now ,do you. Speaking of hackles, the trout are takingsmallsoft hackle flies. Green and yellow ones.I will have to agree, I would rather catch brim and bluegills than any otherfish. I just like them all and have no animosity toward any of them.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com "Kling, Barry W." wrote: One of the pleasures of this list is that we are usually reluctant to flameone another with messages full of namecalling like "pretentious blowhard"etc. Especially in response to a little good natured kidding about one'sstate from a person who regularly makes good-natured and helpfulcontributions to the list. I sympathize with what you're saying about theexcellence of warm water fishing -- in Missouri that's all I can do on aneveryweek basis. So there's no need to be so hostile, sarcastic anddefensive. Maybe it's easy for me because I live in Missouri. It's true that Missourihas a questionable reputation among many people, but it would be farworseif we didn't have Arkansas on our southern border. I understand most ofthose guys down in Arkansas go to family gatherings mainly to meet girls.You're not from Arkansas originally, are you? (Just kidding.) Barry -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Alabama fishing BillIt's nice to know that such preconceived notions still exist about my state.Itake comfort in knowing that pretentious blowhards such as yourself willneverbother to come here. Please keep thinking the way you do and please keepspreading your thoughts to the rest of the arrogant jerks you know, wedon'twant any of you bothering us while we enjoy our fishing. It is a fact thattrout fishing is lacking here, but who cares about a wimpy little thing likeatrout when there are so many species of bass and bream. Since February,whichis when it becomes nice enough to get out and fish in shirt sleeves, I'vetakena total of 19 bass all over 5 pounds (the largest came in at a touch over 9lb.) and dozens more under that weight. I've also caught uncounted bream,thesmallest of which can fight circles around the largest rainbow or brookiegoing.Of course I'm not much of a sportsman, I use a 5 wt for bass and a 2 wtforbream and I've only managed to release every fish I've landed in goodcondition. Oh, and I forgot to mention the burden of having to live withinafew hours of some of the best saltwater fishing on the planet for flyanglers.It's not fashionable south Florida, and the local residents are hard to tell from us Alabama folks, so it goes without saying that you would not wanttobother spending a day catching specks, redfish, pompano, cobia, and theoccasional tarpon if you had to put up with the likes of us. Please, foryourown sake, stay away from this jerkwater state which has produced moredoctorsand NASA patent holders than any other state in this nation. Thanks inadvance. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Never been there, but I hear the catfish ponds are the way to go. Theyparticularly like the evening hatch of Royal Coachman. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "STEVEN A WEISS" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:46 AMSubject: Alabama fishing My daughter and son-in-law are moving to Tuscaloosa. He will be teachingatthe university.Any fellow rodmakers around the area that would care to talk about thefishing opportunities nearby? Please respond offsite.Steve from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Wed Jun 6 11:41:57 2001 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) f56GfvX24208 (5.5.2653.19) Subject: RE: Alabama fishing OK, Tony, I take it all back, especially for someone giving out fishingreports. I'm skipping work tomorrow to take my daughter to Bennet Springsinthe Missouri Ozarks and I'll definitely try little soft hackled flies. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Alabama fishing Barry,Be careful what you say about Arkansas, I live here now. You don't want toruffle my hackles now ,do you. Speaking of hackles, the trout are takingsmallsoft hackle flies. Green and yellow ones.I will have to agree, I would rather catch brim and bluegills than any otherfish. I just like them all and have no animosity toward any of them.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com "Kling, Barry W." wrote: One of the pleasures of this list is that we are usually reluctant toflameone another with messages full of namecalling like "pretentious blowhard"etc. Especially in response to a little good natured kidding about one'sstate from a person who regularly makes good-natured and helpfulcontributions to the list. I sympathize with what you're saying about theexcellence of warm water fishing -- in Missouri that's all I can do on aneveryweek basis. So there's no need to be so hostile, sarcastic anddefensive. Maybe it's easy for me because I live in Missouri. It's true that Missourihas a questionable reputation among many people, but it would be farworseif we didn't have Arkansas on our southern border. I understand most ofthose guys down in Arkansas go to family gatherings mainly to meet girls.You're not from Arkansas originally, are you? (Just kidding.) Barry -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Alabama fishing BillIt's nice to know that such preconceived notions still exist about mystate.Itake comfort in knowing that pretentious blowhards such as yourself willneverbother to come here. Please keep thinking the way you do and please keepspreading your thoughts to the rest of the arrogant jerks you know, wedon'twant any of you bothering us while we enjoy our fishing. It is a factthattrout fishing is lacking here, but who cares about a wimpy little thinglikeatrout when there are so many species of bass and bream. Since February,whichis when it becomes nice enough to get out and fish in shirt sleeves, I'vetakena total of 19 bass all over 5 pounds (the largest came in at a touch over9lb.) and dozens more under that weight. I've also caught uncounted bream,thesmallest of which can fight circles around the largest rainbow or brookiegoing.Of course I'm not much of a sportsman, I use a 5 wt for bass and a 2 wtforbream and I've only managed to release every fish I've landed in goodcondition. Oh, and I forgot to mention the burden of having to livewithinafew hours of some of the best saltwater fishing on the planet for flyanglers.It's not fashionable south Florida, and the local residents are hard totell from us Alabama folks, so it goes without saying that you would not wanttobother spending a day catching specks, redfish, pompano, cobia, and theoccasional tarpon if you had to put up with the likes of us. Please, foryourown sake, stay away from this jerkwater state which has produced moredoctorsand NASA patent holders than any other state in this nation. Thanks inadvance. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Never been there, but I hear the catfish ponds are the way to go. Theyparticularly like the evening hatch of Royal Coachman. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "STEVEN A WEISS" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:46 AMSubject: Alabama fishing My daughter and son-in-law are moving to Tuscaloosa. He will be teachingatthe university.Any fellow rodmakers around the area that would care to talk about thefishing opportunities nearby? Please respond offsite.Steve from flytyr@southshore.com Wed Jun 6 12:18:11 2001 f56HIBX25548 f56HLbb03463 Subject: Re: Alabama fishing Barry,Come down and fish the white sometime. The Sulfur hatch is on real good.Needsomeone to teach me how to fish them dries. The only time I can catch atrout ona dry is when I pull it under.Tony "Kling, Barry W." wrote: OK, Tony, I take it all back, especially for someone giving out fishingreports. I'm skipping work tomorrow to take my daughter to BennetSprings inthe Missouri Ozarks and I'll definitely try little soft hackled flies. -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:15 AM Cc: 'if6were9@bellsouth.net'; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Alabama fishing Barry,Be careful what you say about Arkansas, I live here now. You don't wanttoruffle my hackles now ,do you. Speaking of hackles, the trout are takingsmallsoft hackle flies. Green and yellow ones.I will have to agree, I would rather catch brim and bluegills than any otherfish. I just like them all and have no animosity toward any of them.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com "Kling, Barry W." wrote: One of the pleasures of this list is that we are usually reluctant toflameone another with messages full of namecalling like "pretentiousblowhard"etc. Especially in response to a little good natured kidding about one'sstate from a person who regularly makes good-natured and helpfulcontributions to the list. I sympathize with what you're saying abouttheexcellence of warm water fishing -- in Missouri that's all I can do on aneveryweek basis. So there's no need to be so hostile, sarcastic anddefensive. Maybe it's easy for me because I live in Missouri. It's true that Missourihas a questionable reputation among many people, but it would be farworseif we didn't have Arkansas on our southern border. I understand mostofthose guys down in Arkansas go to family gatherings mainly to meetgirls.You're not from Arkansas originally, are you? (Just kidding.) Barry -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Alabama fishing BillIt's nice to know that such preconceived notions still exist about mystate.Itake comfort in knowing that pretentious blowhards such as yourselfwillneverbother to come here. Please keep thinking the way you do and pleasekeepspreading your thoughts to the rest of the arrogant jerks you know,wedon'twant any of you bothering us while we enjoy our fishing. It is a factthattrout fishing is lacking here, but who cares about a wimpy little thinglikeatrout when there are so many species of bass and bream. SinceFebruary,whichis when it becomes nice enough to get out and fish in shirt sleeves, I'vetakena total of 19 bass all over 5 pounds (the largest came in at a touchover9lb.) and dozens more under that weight. I've also caught uncountedbream,thesmallest of which can fight circles around the largest rainbow orbrookiegoing.Of course I'm not much of a sportsman, I use a 5 wt for bass and a 2wtforbream and I've only managed to release every fish I've landed in goodcondition. Oh, and I forgot to mention the burden of having to livewithinafew hours of some of the best saltwater fishing on the planet for flyanglers.It's not fashionable south Florida, and the local residents are hard totell from us Alabama folks, so it goes without saying that you would notwanttobother spending a day catching specks, redfish, pompano, cobia, andtheoccasional tarpon if you had to put up with the likes of us. Please, foryourown sake, stay away from this jerkwater state which has producedmoredoctorsand NASA patent holders than any other state in this nation. Thanks inadvance. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Never been there, but I hear the catfish ponds are the way to go. Theyparticularly like the evening hatch of Royal Coachman. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "STEVEN A WEISS" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:46 AMSubject: Alabama fishing My daughter and son-in-law are moving to Tuscaloosa. He will beteachingatthe university.Any fellow rodmakers around the area that would care to talk aboutthefishing opportunities nearby? Please respond offsite.Steve from dpeaston@wzrd.com Wed Jun 6 16:03:19 2001 f56L3JX03869 Subject: Re: Xxxx fishing Hi Alain, You came to the right place. BTW, mostly we talk about making bamboo rods. At 11:59 AM 6/6/01 -0400, Alain wrote:Hi, Welcome, to you all. I came here to gather informations on rodbuilding, well... Is it the Bamboo Rod Makers List ? Alain. ____________(____________|===========================o/ 0 \ / | \__/ \ / Douglas Easton | \ / |\____/ Dpeaston@wzrd.com | |* from mrmac@tcimet.net Wed Jun 6 22:12:55 2001 f573CsX10193 Subject: PERFECT cork! Looking through a supplies catalog that just came, I saw pictures ofSage (yah, I know... they make that other stuff) rods that appeared tohave *perfect* cork grips. I don't get around much to shops that havetheir real rods, and knowing that in these times that you can't reallybelieve anything you see in a photograph, I wondered if any of you "hadfriends" who might know if this grips are for real. I thought maybethey have discovered a perfectly matching filler, or if maybe it isn'teven real cork, but some kind of cork substitute, like a cork coloredfoam or something. Anyone know? Just curious if maybe the true highend cork is being siphoned off into the big commercial guys. I do havean Orvis shop nearby, and I know it sure isn't goin' to them! best to all - mac from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 22:36:12 2001 f573aBX10682 2001 20:36:09 PDT Subject: Re: PERFECT cork! it's real cork and it's real good, at least alotbetter than i've ever seen before. timothy --- Ralph MacKenzie wrote:Looking through a supplies catalog that just came, Isaw pictures ofSage (yah, I know... they make that other stuff)rods that appeared tohave *perfect* cork grips. I don't get around muchto shops that havetheir real rods, and knowing that in these timesthat you can't reallybelieve anything you see in a photograph, I wonderedif any of you "hadfriends" who might know if this grips are for real. I thought maybethey have discovered a perfectly matching filler, orif maybe it isn'teven real cork, but some kind of cork substitute,like a cork coloredfoam or something. Anyone know? Just curious ifmaybe the true highend cork is being siphoned off into the bigcommercial guys. I do havean Orvis shop nearby, and I know it sure isn't goin'to them! best to all - mac ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Wed Jun 6 22:36:53 2001 f573aoX10705 Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:35:56 +0800 (5.5.2651.58) rodmakers Subject: RE: PERFECT cork! Hi Mac,a couple of my friends have recently bought Reddington rods andalthough the cork isn't perfect it's extremely good. I wonder if Sage andsome of the other "big guys" do a bit of computer enhancement on theiradvertising photographs? I'll have a look at some Sage rods next time I getdown to the tackle store and check out their cork. Could be interesting.Mike Looking through a supplies catalog that just came, I saw pictures ofSage (yah, I know... they make that other stuff) rods that appeared tohave *perfect* cork grips. I don't get around much to from gjm80301@yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 23:41:46 2001 f574fjX11729 2001 21:41:43 PDT Subject: RE: PERFECT cork! I think that there is some filling going on there. I have onefactory Sage rod that was fished hard (Sp). The cork was perfectwhen new, but eventually looked more "human". Still good, just notperfect. Jerry --- "Roberts, Michael" wrote:Hi Mac,a couple of my friends have recently bought Reddington rods andalthough the cork isn't perfect it's extremely good. I wonder ifSage andsome of the other "big guys" do a bit of computer enhancement ontheiradvertising photographs? I'll have a look at some Sage rods nexttime I getdown to the tackle store and check out their cork. Could beinteresting.Mike Looking through a supplies catalog that just came, I saw picturesof> from oborge@mwt.net Fri Jun 8 11:43:54 2001 f58GhsZ00217 Subject: RE: Grayrock This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I will be there.I hope to arrive Wednesday afternoon. Olaf BorgeSilk fly lines bought and soldE6907 Monument Rock RoadFranklin Township Vernon County WisconsinURL: www.silkflylines.comMail: P.O. Box 361 Viroqua, Wisconsin 54665Email: oborge@mwt.netPhone: 608-675-3509 Fax: 608-675-3681 -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Grayrock I'am going.Rich Jezioro At 09:34 AM 6/8/01, Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote: Who is going to Grayrock from illinois or Wisconsin? *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > >))):> be there. to arrive Wednesday afternoon. Olaf BorgeSilk fly lines bought and soldE6907= Rock RoadFranklin Township Vernon County 608-675-3681 JezioroSent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:10 GrayrockI'am JezioroAt 09:34 AM 6/8/01, Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote:Who is going to Grayrock from illinois = = = = from Kf8ch@aol.com Fri Jun 8 14:18:24 2001 f58JINZ04768 Subject: test --part1_41.c83cfa1.28527ef8_boundary test dale --part1_41.c83cfa1.28527ef8_boundary testdale --part1_41.c83cfa1.28527ef8_boundary-- from CAIrvinerods@aol.com Fri Jun 8 14:25:44 2001 f58JPhZ05141 Subject: Bob Milward Just got a post card from Bob and he is selling the book. For the Canadians it is $48 for the USA it is $50.00 Canadian and I have no idea what the exchange rate is now? Anyway you can order it direct from him at BobMilward Bamboo Flyrods, 1851 Rufus Drive, North Vancouver, BC V7J 3L8, Canada. Telephone 604-985-0860. No financial interest, Tight Lines, Chuck from atlasc1@earthlink.net Fri Jun 8 16:30:54 2001 f58LUrZ08785 OAA14201 Subject: It doesnt get better then this This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Just finished my first rod a Sir D with all the bells and whistles, =nickle silver this and that, snake brand guides and pearsalls silk. I =am extending a thank you to everyone who is on the list. A special =thanks to Darryl Hayashida and Wayanne Cattanach. Though I have never =communicated with either of them directly the information they have =provided the list was tremendously helpful. Darryls drip tube worked =great. I am now off to the Hot Creek Ranch for a week of fishing. For =those of you are not familiar with Hot Creek Ranch, it is one of the top =rivers in the USA and is dry fly only with no wading. Just finished my =first split cane and off to Hot Creek...it doesnt get better then this. Adam VigilChino, Ca. Just finished my first rod a Sir D with = A special thanks to Darryl Hayashida and Wayanne Cattanach. Though I = communicated with either of them directly the information they have = to the Hot Creek Ranch for a week of fishing. For those of you are not = with Hot Creek Ranch, it is one of the top rivers in the USA and is dry = with no wading. Just finished my first split cane and off to Hot = doesnt get better then this. Adam VigilChino,Ca. from bob@downandacross.com Fri Jun 8 16:53:50 2001 f58LrmZ09363 Subject: Re: It doesnt get better then this --=====================_5835774==_.ALT You are right, the first time only comes once. Congrats and have fun with it.- Bob Just finished my first split cane and off to Hot Creek...it doesnt get better then this. Adam VigilChino, Ca. Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_5835774==_.ALT You are right, the first time only comes once. Congrats and have fun withit. - BobJust finished my first split cane and off toHot Creek...it doesnt get better then this. Adam VigilChino, Ca. Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com,your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders,sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716- 867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_5835774==_.ALT-- from vfish@vFish.net Fri Jun 8 17:22:35 2001 f58MMZZ10050 Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:22:32 -0500 Subject: RE: It doesnt get better then this This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Congrats Adam! Good luck on your trip! Darrell-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: It doesnt get better then this Just finished my first rod a Sir D with all the bells and whistles, nicklesilver this and that, snake brand guides and pearsalls silk. I am extendinga thank you to everyone who is on the list. A special thanks to DarrylHayashida and Wayanne Cattanach. Though I have never communicated witheither of them directly the information they have provided the list wastremendously helpful. Darryls drip tube worked great. I am now off to theHot Creek Ranch for a week of fishing. For those of you are not familiarwith Hot Creek Ranch, it is one of the top rivers in the USA and is dry flyonly with no wading. Just finished my first split cane and off to HotCreek...it doesnt get better then this. Adam VigilChino, Ca. Congrats Adam! luck on your trip! Darrell VigilSent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 2:38 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: It doesnt get better = thisJust finished my first rod a Sir D = bells and whistles, nickle silver this and that, snake brand guides = list. A special thanks to Darryl Hayashida and Wayanne Cattanach. = have never communicated with either of them directly the information = great. I am now off to the Hot Creek Ranch for a week of fishing. For = you are not familiar with Hot Creek Ranch, it is one of the top rivers = USA and is dry fly only with no wading. Just finished my first split = off to Hot Creek...it doesnt get better then this. Adam VigilChino, =Ca. from vfish@vFish.net Fri Jun 8 17:55:08 2001 f58Mt7Z10760 Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:54:35 -0500 Subject: RE: bob millward This is a multi-part message in MIME format. There is no ISBN# and Amazon does not have it. I just became Bob's sole distributor and will have autographed copiesavailable shortly. For info, email me off list at books@vfish.net or go towww.vfish.net/Millward Darrell Leewww.vfish.net-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 9:01 PM Cc: 'rodmakers'Subject: Re: bob millward Amazon does not have it nor does the Library of Congress: I checked foran ISBN#Rich Jezioro At 10:21 AM 6/7/01, Harry Boyd wrote: Patrick,Do you know where the book can be purchased?? Thanks,Harry "Coffey, Patrick W" wrote: In case anybody is interested, Bob sent me a notice last night thathis long awaited book on the dynamics of bamboo (properties,strengths andweaknesses) is now out and for sale. Also included are his tapers from 6' to13' spey rods. A usual no financial interest or anything like that, just afriend of his. This is the findings from laboratory testing of what happensto our bamboo as we manipulate it and how we strengthen or weaken thefinalrods. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 --Harry Boyd "Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..."http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@/||/____/||_________________________________________||/\))):> > >))):> There is no = became Bob's sole distributor and will have autographed copies available = go = Leewww.vfish.net JezioroSent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 9:01 = fbcwin@3g.quik.com; 'rodmakers'Subject: Re: bob =millwardAmazon does not have it nor does the Library of Congress: I = Harry = wrote: = (properties,strengths and weaknesses) is now out and for sale. = included are his tapers from 6' to 13' spey rods. A usual no = interest or anything like that, just a friend of his. This is the = from laboratory testing of what happens to our bamboo as we = 61-79--Harry Boyd"Simon Peter saith untothem, = Bamboo = = = = from horsesho@ptd.net Fri Jun 8 18:14:11 2001 f58NEAZ11238 Subject: Thomas & Thomas Sans Pariel XL Salmon 8' 2/2 #6/7 Hi List, Here is one for anyone making Salmon rods. This is a XL (extraLight) Salmon model. A good rod for larger Trout also.Measured over varnish, deduct .003".T&T Sans Pariel XL Salmon 8' 2/2 #6/7Butt Tip00 .231" .095"05 .243 .10810 .251 .12615 .257 .14820 .275 .16025 .287 .18230 .306 .18835 .315 .20136 .320 begining of swell38 .480 start of grip40 .20945 .22448 .232Typical T&T swell in front of grip. Cannot be made with standard formsbut a gradual swell can be started at station 35 to get about the sameresults.Guide spacing from tip top and end of female ferrule Tip Butt4 1/4" 3"9 1/4 10 3/4 stripper15 19 stripper2127 1/234 1/242 Good Luck, Marty from Kf8ch@aol.com Fri Jun 8 20:10:25 2001 f591APZ12292 Subject: casting rod taper --part1_51.cb59dae.2852d173_boundary wood like for casting rod taper for 5' , 5 1/2 ' ,6' TO 6 1/2 'dale email kf8ch@aol.com --part1_51.cb59dae.2852d173_boundary kf8ch@aol.com --part1_51.cb59dae.2852d173_boundary-- from timklein@qwest.net Fri Jun 8 20:41:46 2001 f591fjZ12708 Subject: Re: Sv: 5' ,1 piece, 2 wght/Nunley's Bob, When you get back to the list, can you tell me whether this is a shortenedversion of your 6 foot 2 weight? If not, how would you compare the casting characteristics of these tworods? ---Tim ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Sv: 5' ,1 piece, 2 wght/Nunley's Carsten et al,Well there was such a demand for the taper I decided to give it to youguys before I left for the weekend. I hope you guys have as much fun withthis rod as I am with it. tip .0605" .06410" .08515" .09720" .11325" .12630" .14235" .15140" .16145" .17350" .23155" .23560" .235 Only problem with this taper is fitting a cork grip to it, unless you haveundrilled cork pieces and make your own grip. I solved this by fittingpredrilled cork for the whole grip except for the front cork. I took awinebottle cork and cut it to size and drilled it to fit. It will tapernicelydown for wrapping thread up on to the cork. I also am making a corkreelseat Bret from Troutgetter@aol.com Fri Jun 8 21:01:59 2001 f5921xZ13006 Subject: Re: It doesnt get better then this --part1_10.def0821.2852dd90_boundary Ok Adam, No sneeking under the fence to drift a nymph. Mike --part1_10.def0821.2852dd90_boundary Ok Adam, No sneeking under the fence to drift a nymph. Mike --part1_10.def0821.2852dd90_boundary-- from GRNMTRODS@aol.com Fri Jun 8 21:15:34 2001 f592FXZ13354 Subject: Grayrock --part1_c3.11c1c195.2852e0b7_boundary Does anyone know if there are any activities , either planed or unplaned for non fishing or non rod building family members to keep busy at ,while the rest of us are participating in the scheduled events? Could someone please get back to me with any suggestions. It is tough trying to plan when we don't know anything about the area. Thanks,Jim in Vermont --part1_c3.11c1c195.2852e0b7_boundary Does anyone know ifthere are any activities , either planed or unplaned for non fishing or non rod building family members to keep busy at ,whilethe rest of us are participating in the scheduled events? Could someone please get back to me with any suggestions. It is toughtrying to plan when we don't know anything about the area. Thanks,Jim in Vermont --part1_c3.11c1c195.2852e0b7_boundary-- from caneman@clnk.com Fri Jun 8 22:02:08 2001 f59327Z13849 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Sv: 5' ,1 piece, 2 wght/Nunley's Tim,While this rod is built based on the same basic stress curve as the 6'2pit is a bit different. My notebook is at the shop building at the farm, andI'm here in town getting ready to leave on vacation, but Bret is going topost the taper. Graph it out, or punch it into Hexrod or Bruce Connersprogram and look at the curve. You can see the similarities in both theslope on the taper and the stress curve.As far as casting characteristics.... somewhat similar, but that 6footer is a bit faster and has more "reserve" for longer casts. The fivefooter is basically designed for small streams, although it will punch out50 feet of line pretty easy. Off to bed, then to Florida. Tight lines all! See you in about 2 or 3 weeks! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Fly Rodshttp://members.clnk.com/caneman/images/flystuff/caneindex.htm ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Sv: 5' ,1 piece, 2 wght/Nunley's Bob, When you get back to the list, can you tell me whether this is a shortenedversion of your 6 foot 2 weight? If not, how would you compare the casting characteristics of these tworods? ---Tim ----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 6:40 AMSubject: Re: Sv: 5' ,1 piece, 2 wght/Nunley's Carsten et al,Well there was such a demand for the taper I decided to give it toyouguys before I left for the weekend. I hope you guys have as much funwiththis rod as I am with it. tip .0605" .06410" .08515" .09720" .11325" .12630" .14235" .15140" .16145" .17350" .23155" .23560" .235 Only problem with this taper is fitting a cork grip to it, unless youhaveundrilled cork pieces and make your own grip. I solved this by fittingpredrilled cork for the whole grip except for the front cork. I took awinebottle cork and cut it to size and drilled it to fit. It will tapernicelydown for wrapping thread up on to the cork. I also am making a corkreelseat Bret from bob@downandacross.com Sat Jun 9 07:34:11 2001 f59CYAZ18002 Jun 2001 08:32:59 -0400 Subject: pre made handles --=====================_58664000==_.ALT Can anyone advise a source of good pre made handle kits for spinning rods? Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_58664000==_.ALT Can anyone advise a source of good pre made handle kits for spinningrods? Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com,your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders,sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716- 867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_58664000==_.ALT-- from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sat Jun 9 07:37:03 2001 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) f59Cb2Z18188 (5.5.2653.19) "'if6were9@bellsouth.net'" Subject: RE: Apology I'll second that! Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Apology every body has bad days and we've all over reacted at least once each- heckcheck the archive and see how we've all reacted to T. Ackland and georgegehrkes comments.Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61- 79 ---------- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:01 AMCc: rodmakersSubject: Apology I apologize for my outburst on the list yesterday. As there is no excuse attempting to offer any. It was a gross error in judgment on my part andshall not happen again. from mrmac@tcimet.net Sat Jun 9 08:37:52 2001 f59DbpZ20467 Subject: felt buffing material Just tried out an idea that seems to work pretty well, thought I'd passit along. I had to put some felt floor protectors on some chair legs,per SWMBO, and while getting the material, noticed the "Heavy Duty,Self- Adhesive, Felt Blankets" at the (no, I don't own it,...yet) ACEHardware. It comes in 4 1/2" by 6" rectangles and is intended forcutting to shape and sticking on stuff to protect floors from scratches,etc. I cut about a 1" wide strip and used that to hold the rottenstoneand oil mix I used for polishing out varnish this morning. It wasreally handy and worked well both with that mix, and the Swirl Remover Iused to bring the gloss back up some. It is fairly stiff itself, anddoesn't need a backing material (popsicle stick, or whatever) thoughbeing self-adhesive you could easily do so if you wanted. It seemed toconform to the surface and guide feet nicely and held the mixture well.So, FYI - Have a good weekend everybody - mac from mrmac@tcimet.net Sat Jun 9 10:38:34 2001 f59FcXZ21481 "RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: felt buffing material Peter,What I mean is that after the final coat of varnish, I occasionally (like eachand every one) find that my final dip isn't yet the quality from which legendsare made. I have long suspected it is my children who sneak in when I'm notlooking and scatter dust, debris, cat hairs, and even *boogers* into my wetvarnish, given my *impeccably* neat, clean, and tidy workshop area. (a.k.a. -"the pit"). Thus, to achieve the same high degree of near perfection thateveryone other than perhaps you and me gets on the final varnish, I havefoundit necessary to use some type of post-cure effort to both remove and repairthose spots, as well as taking the gloss down maybe half a notch to a less"bright", but lovely appearance. So, for the real nasties, per the advice inthe Maurer & Elser, I use 2000 grit sandpaper and mineral oil to take out theblurbs, etc. and then for a final rubdown, I have tried a couple differentmaterials. A mixture of rottenstone and mineral oil, in conjunction with thefelt pad I mentioned will leave a uniform low gloss luster, a notch up fromwhatwould be called "semi-gloss", but not quite a full gloss surface. So, I thenfollow up with a car care product (tip from the list, as I recall) from McGuirescalled Swirl Remover. Others have alluded to using a 3M product calledPerfectIt, but I would have had to special order it, and the Swirl Remover seems todoabout the same thing. After using it, the gloss is then restored to the nowsmooth, no doobers, surface, although it is just a little bit short of thereally bright gloss the rod had when the varnish was untouched. (This rod isdone with Epifanes). So, that's why, how, and what. I gather others do similar treatments, withvarying choices of weapons, but the end goal is to correct imperfections inthefinal appearance. Hope it helps you, mac Peter McKean wrote: Ralph What do you mean, "polishing out varnish"? Do you mean that you are using a rottenstone/linsed mixture to stripvarnishbetween coats ? Boy, I have just so much angst in these final stages of rod building; thestages where the shiny stuff goes on [and the lint, and the bugs, and, itseems sometimes, the boogers, also go on of their own volition], and I loveto hear what other people are doing, and is it just that I am as thick astwo short planks, or does everyone have this problem? I am an amateur photographer [actually, I think I am an amateur everything;I wish to heck I was a professional at just something] and one of theproducts I use is a double sided adhesive film made by 3M, designed tomountphotos onto a backing. This stuff is used by sqeegee-ing it onto the backofthe pucture to be mounted, pulling the picture off the preparation, andthensticking it onto the backing. You can use it with icy pole sticks, or in mycase tongue depressors, to make great varnish sanding sticks, which caninturn be trimmed to specific shapes with heavy scissors, by gluing 1500and2000 grit paper on. If you have a room temperature IQ, you can sand anyshape known to man with one of these sticks. Does it work for me? Like a poodle herds blue whales, it does! So, in desperation, I repeat my plea - what do you mean "Polishing outvarnish"? Peter----- Original Message -----From: "Ralph MacKenzie" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:38 PMSubject: felt buffing material Just tried out an idea that seems to work pretty well, thought I'd passit along. I had to put some felt floor protectors on some chair legs,per SWMBO, and while getting the material, noticed the "Heavy Duty,Self- Adhesive, Felt Blankets" at the (no, I don't own it,...yet) ACEHardware. It comes in 4 1/2" by 6" rectangles and is intended forcutting to shape and sticking on stuff to protect floors from scratches,etc. I cut about a 1" wide strip and used that to hold the rottenstoneand oil mix I used for polishing out varnish this morning. It wasreally handy and worked well both with that mix, and the Swirl Remover Iused to bring the gloss back up some. It is fairly stiff itself, anddoesn't need a backing material (popsicle stick, or whatever) thoughbeing self-adhesive you could easily do so if you wanted. It seemed toconform to the surface and guide feet nicely and held the mixture well.So, FYI - Have a good weekend everybody - mac from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jun 9 17:17:41 2001 f59MHeZ24735 Subject: Re: felt buffing material Ralph, McMaster-Carr has umpteen grades of felt, ranging from F1, Extra Hard,purewool, to various mixes of man-mades and wool. Brownell's also sells hardfelt pads, approx. *" x 1*" x 3*". These work well for what you describe,though I prefer thin felt stuck onto a stainless steel 6" rule for smallspots. Use double sided tape for the sticking part. Brownell's 3F and 5Frubbing compounds work quite well, but they are just automotive compounds. M-D Just tried out an idea that seems to work pretty well, thought I'd passit along. I had to put some felt floor protectors on some chair legs,per SWMBO, and while getting the material, noticed the "Heavy Duty,Self- Adhesive, Felt Blankets" at the (no, I don't own it,...yet) ACEHardware. It comes in 4 1/2" by 6" rectangles and is intended forcutting to shape and sticking on stuff to protect floors from scratches,etc. I cut about a 1" wide strip and used that to hold the rottenstoneand oil mix I used for polishing out varnish this morning. It wasreally handy and worked well both with that mix, and the Swirl Remover Iused to bring the gloss back up some. It is fairly stiff itself, anddoesn't need a backing material (popsicle stick, or whatever) thoughbeing self-adhesive you could easily do so if you wanted. It seemed toconform to the surface and guide feet nicely and held the mixture well.So, FYI - Have a good weekend everybody - mac from edriddle@mindspring.com Sat Jun 9 18:40:38 2001 f59NecZ26372 Subject: Re: felt buffing material Mac:This discussion beckons me back to our revelation; oh, say a year ago, whenwe agreed that double-sided tape w/ #2000 wet/dry works wonders,particularly if you stick it to the wife's thinly-sliced credit card forwork beneath the guides..yuk, and arrgh matey!Ed in N.C. (hoping Bob N. stops by) ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: felt buffing material Ralph, McMaster-Carr has umpteen grades of felt, ranging from F1, Extra Hard,purewool, to various mixes of man-mades and wool. Brownell's also sells hardfelt pads, approx. *" x 1*" x 3*". These work well for what you describe,though I prefer thin felt stuck onto a stainless steel 6" rule for smallspots. Use double sided tape for the sticking part. Brownell's 3F and 5Frubbing compounds work quite well, but they are just automotivecompounds. M-D From: "Ralph MacKenzie" Just tried out an idea that seems to work pretty well, thought I'd passit along. I had to put some felt floor protectors on some chair legs,per SWMBO, and while getting the material, noticed the "Heavy Duty,Self- Adhesive, Felt Blankets" at the (no, I don't own it,...yet) ACEHardware. It comes in 4 1/2" by 6" rectangles and is intended forcutting to shape and sticking on stuff to protect floors from scratches,etc. I cut about a 1" wide strip and used that to hold the rottenstoneand oil mix I used for polishing out varnish this morning. It wasreally handy and worked well both with that mix, and the Swirl Remover Iused to bring the gloss back up some. It is fairly stiff itself, anddoesn't need a backing material (popsicle stick, or whatever) thoughbeing self-adhesive you could easily do so if you wanted. It seemed toconform to the surface and guide feet nicely and held the mixture well.So, FYI - Have a good weekend everybody - mac from guille32@tutopia.com Sat Jun 9 19:22:52 2001 f5A0MpZ26792 3B0CA7440027CB39 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 9 Jun 200117:19:51 -0700 Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:18:45 +0000 Subject: Colorado Bootstrap Forms This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hello everyone, I have been reading your posts for a while and finally =decided to take the big step, to let some money get out of the pocket =and start buying a form.I was thinking about the Colorado Bootstrap forms as a choice however I =am not quite sure, could you gentlemen please give me any opinion/advise =about the forms quality and delivery before I make any order? Thanks a lot for your time.Guillermo Magari=F1os Hello everyone, I have been reading = a while and finally decided to take the big step, to let some money get = the pocket and start buying a form.I was thinking about the Colorado = any opinion/advise about the forms quality and delivery before I make = order? Thanks a lot for your =time.Guillermo Magari=F1os from horsesho@ptd.net Sat Jun 9 19:55:42 2001 f5A0tgZ27180 Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms --------------6597BF277D7167061CB919CC The best comercially available forms (in my opinion) are the Bellingerforms available from Golden Witch (expensive). The best for the money(also in my opinion)are the ones from Lon Blevault (spelling?) You canmake forms as good as Bellingers yourself but it does take time ( 30-40hours) . No commercial interest , yata- yata -blah- blah - blah.Marty Guillermo Magarios wrote: Hello everyone, I have been reading your posts for a while and finallydecided to take the big step, to let some money get out of the pocketand start buying a form.I was thinking about the Colorado Bootstrapforms as a choice however I am not quite sure, could you gentlemenplease give me any opinion/advise about the forms quality and deliverybefore I make any order? Thanks a lot for your time.GuillermoMagarios --------------6597BF277D7167061CB919CC The best comercially available forms (in my opinion) are the Bellingerforms available from Golden Witch (expensive). The best for the money (alsoin my opinion)are the ones from Lon Blevault (spelling?) You can make formsas good as Bellingers yourself but it does take time ( 30-40 hours) . Nocommercial interest , yata- yata -blah- blah - blah.MartyGuillermo Magariños wrote: Helloeveryone, I have been reading your posts for a while and finally decidedto take the big step, to let some money get out of the pocket and startbuying a form.I wasthinkingabout the Colorado Bootstrap forms as a choice however I am not quite sure,could you gentlemen please give me any opinion/advise about the formsquality a lot for your time.Guillermo --------------6597BF277D7167061CB919CC-- from dryfly@erols.com Sat Jun 9 20:26:49 2001 f5A1QmZ27538 ([208.58.193.140] helo=homeserver) Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Before you buy anyone's forms, ask for the specs. I'd ask for the depth =at every station when the forms are closed down tight. Make sure you =buy forms with settings that will allow you to build the rods you want =to build. For example, if you want to build a light line rod with small =tips make sure the settings on the first 2 or 3 stations are shallow =enough. You can't build a rod with a finished tip of 50 thou if the =first station of the forms only has a minimum depth of 27 thou. Also, =the ideal increase in depth for forms is one thou per inch (5 thou =increase between 5" stations). By getting the specs for every station, =you can at least see who's forms have the best specs. I think you get =what you pay for, Wagner and Bellinger are the highest price, followed = owned forms from three of the makers I mentioned and the higher the =price the better the quality and specs. Not asking for detailed specs =in the past is why I have purchased 3 sets of forms over the past 5 =years. Good LuckBob Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:32 PMSubject: Colorado Bootstrap Forms Hello everyone, I have been reading your posts for a while and finally =decided to take the big step, to let some money get out of the pocket =and start buying a form.I was thinking about the Colorado Bootstrap forms as a choice however =I am not quite sure, could you gentlemen please give me any =opinion/advise about the forms quality and delivery before I make any =order? Thanks a lot for your time.Guillermo Magari=F1os Before you buy anyone's forms, ask for= every station, you can at least see who's forms have the best = think you get what you pay for, Wagner and Bellinger are the highest = followed by Catalano and Munro and then Blauvelt and Colorado = Good LuckBob ----- Original Message ----- Magari=F1os Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 = PMSubject: Colorado Bootstrap =Forms Hello everyone, I have been reading = out of the pocket and start buying a form.I was thinking about the Colorado = me any opinion/advise about the forms quality and delivery before I = order? Thanks a lot for your =time.Guillermo Magari=F1os from jpsnbs@erols.com Sat Jun 9 20:27:07 2001 f5A1R6Z27592 ([208.58.198.102] helo=erols.com) Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms --------------721C70365DD721BCE5ABEF05 I purchased a set of forms from Colorado Boot Strap several years ago toadd to the orginal set of forms I made 10 years ago. They have workedwell for me, reasonably priced, and require just a little cosmeticpolishing. Delivery to me, then, was quick and painless. Good luckwith your rod making.Joe Swam none wrote: The best comercially available forms (in my opinion) are the Bellingerforms available from Golden Witch (expensive). The best for the money(also in my opinion)are the ones from Lon Blevault (spelling?) You canmake forms as good as Bellingers yourself but it does take time (30-40 hours) . No commercial interest , yata- yata -blah- blah -blah.Marty Guillermo Magari=F1os wrote: Hello everyone, I have been reading your posts for a while andfinally decided to take the big step, to let some money get out ofthe pocket and start buying a form.I was thinking about the ColoradoBootstrap forms as a choice however I am not quite sure, could yougentlemen please give me any opinion/advise about the forms qualityand delivery before I make any order? Thanks a lot for yourtime.Guillermo Magari=F1os --------------721C70365DD721BCE5ABEF05 I purchased a set of forms from Colorado Boot Strap several years ago to workedwell for me, reasonably priced, and require just a little cosmetic rod making.Joe Swamnone wrote:The best comercially available forms (in my opinion)are the Bellinger forms available from Golden Witch (expensive). The best You can make forms as good as Bellingers yourself but it does take time( 30- 40 hours) . No commercial interest , yata-yata -blah- blah - blah.MartyGuillermo Magariños wrote: Helloeveryone, I have been reading your posts for a while and finally decidedto take the big step, to let some money get out of the pocket and startbuying a form.I was thinking about the Colorado Bootstrap forms as a choicehowever I am not quite sure, could you gentlemen please give me anyopinion/adviseabout the forms quality and delivery before I make anyorder?Thanks a lot for your time.GuillermoMagariños --------------721C70365DD721BCE5ABEF05-- from thogan@rochester.rr.com Sat Jun 9 20:47:39 2001 f5A1ldZ28022 f5A1k0A01938 Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I've used Lon Blauvelt's forms for the past two years. They have never =made a mistake. Its always been the maker. I can't say enought kind =things about Lon's planing forms. I am sure you can spend more and less. =Lon has a passion about building his forms, and that is what captivated =meTaylor Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 9:28 PMSubject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms I purchased a set of forms from Colorado Boot Strap several years ago =to add to the orginal set of forms I made 10 years ago. They have =worked well for me, reasonably priced, and require just a little =cosmetic polishing. Delivery to me, then, was quick and painless. Good = The best comercially available forms (in my opinion) are the =Bellinger forms available from Golden Witch (expensive). The best for =the money (also in my opinion)are the ones from Lon Blevault (spelling?) =You can make forms as good as Bellingers yourself but it does take time =( 30-40 hours) . No commercial interest , yata-yata -blah- blah - = Hello everyone, I have been reading your posts for a while and =finally decided to take the big step, to let some money get out of the =pocket and start buying a form.I was thinking about the Colorado =Bootstrap forms as a choice however I am not quite sure, could you =gentlemen please give me any opinion/advise about the forms quality and =delivery before I make any order? Thanks a lot for your time.Guillermo =Magari=F1os I've used Lon Blauvelt's forms for the = years. They have never made a mistake. Its always been the maker. I = enought kind things about Lon's planing forms. I am sure you can spend = less. Lon has a passion about building his forms, and that is what = meTaylor ----- Original Message ----- Joseph = Cc: guille32@tutopia.com ; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 = PMSubject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap= FormsI purchased a set of forms from Colorado Boot Strap = years ago to add to the orginal set of forms I made 10 years = have worked well for me, reasonably priced, and require just a little = The best comercially available forms (in my= are the Bellinger forms available from Golden Witch (expensive). The = You can make forms as good as Bellingers yourself but it does take = 30-40 hours) . No commercial interest , yata-yata -blah- blah - = Hello everyone, I have been = posts for a while and finally decided to take the big step, to let = money get out of the pocket and start buying a form.I was thinking = the Colorado Bootstrap forms as a choice however I am not quite = could you gentlemen please give me any opinion/advise about the = quality and delivery before I make any order? =Magari=F1os from bokstrom@axionet.com Sat Jun 9 20:58:04 2001 f5A1w3Z28243 09 Jun 2001 18:57:51 -0700User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express- Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Bob Milward's Book Copies of Bob's book can be purchased directly from Bob at:Bob Milward,1851 Rufus Drive,North Vancouver, B.C. V7J 3L8Price is $33.50 U.S. or $50 Can., includes S&H. Send money order or cheque.FYI - The Canadian dollar hovers around 65 US cents.No financial interest. from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Jun 10 00:13:30 2001 f5A5DTZ00069 WAA03155; Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I have the Colorado Bootstraps forms and I like them. The price is $390 =+ $25 s/h. I would also check out Blauvelt form and maybe Grindstone =anglers. With the increase in price of the Bootstrap forms Blauvelts =forms may be a better deal at $325. I did have to take a file to the =upper half on the tip side to even up a slight difference. It took me =30mins of my time and it was worth the savings. Bootstrap sent my =forms within 5 days and they are unconditionally guaranteed. I would =reccomend them if they are in the price range you want. $800 to $1000 =dollars for forms is almost half of what the Morgan hand mill runs for =about $2000 you it can make 4,5,6 sided rods and have alot of =advantages. One day I will own one if you have the $$$ check it out. Adam I have the Colorado Bootstraps forms = and maybe Grindstone anglers. With the increase in price of the = Blauvelts forms may be a better deal at $325. I did have to take a file = upper half on the tip side to even up a slight difference. It took me = 5 days and they are unconditionally guaranteed. I would reccomend them = half of what the Morgan hand mill runs for about $2000 you it can make = the $$$ check it out. Adam from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Jun 10 08:36:05 2001 f5ADa3Z03396 Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms This is a multi-part message in MIME format. THE GREEN! THE GREEN! AAAAAARRRRGGHHH! Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:33 AMSubject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms Before you buy anyone's forms, ask for the specs. I'd ask for the =depth at every station when the forms are closed down tight. Make sure =you buy forms with settings that will allow you to build the rods you =want to build. For example, if you want to build a light line rod with =small tips make sure the settings on the first 2 or 3 stations are =shallow enough. You can't build a rod with a finished tip of 50 thou if =the first station of the forms only has a minimum depth of 27 thou. =Also, the ideal increase in depth for forms is one thou per inch (5 thou =increase between 5" stations). By getting the specs for every station, =you can at least see who's forms have the best specs. I think you get =what you pay for, Wagner and Bellinger are the highest price, followed = owned forms from three of the makers I mentioned and the higher the =price the better the quality and specs. Not asking for detailed specs =in the past is why I have purchased 3 sets of forms over the past 5 =years. Good LuckBob Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:32 PMSubject: Colorado Bootstrap Forms Hello everyone, I have been reading your posts for a while and =finally decided to take the big step, to let some money get out of the =pocket and start buying a form.I was thinking about the Colorado Bootstrap forms as a choice =however I am not quite sure, could you gentlemen please give me any =opinion/advise about the forms quality and delivery before I make any =order? Thanks a lot for your time.Guillermo Magari=F1os GREEN! AAAAAARRRRGGHHH! ----- Original Message ----- Bob = Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 = AMSubject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap= Forms Before you buy anyone's forms, ask = are the highest price, followed by Catalano and Munro and then = = Good LuckBob ----- Original Message ----- Magari=F1os Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001= PMSubject: Colorado Bootstrap =Forms Hello everyone, I have been reading = out of the pocket and start buying a form.I was thinking about the Colorado = please give me any opinion/advise about the forms quality and = before I make any order? Thanks a lot for your =time.GuillermoMagari=F1os from bob@downandacross.com Sun Jun 10 08:45:41 2001 f5ADjeZ03672 Jun 2001 09:45:44 -0400 Subject: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up --=====================_149345325==_.ALT http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1153031159 Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_149345325==_.ALT http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1153031159 Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com,the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com,your source for hex and quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders,sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716- 867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com --=====================_149345325==_.ALT-- from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Sun Jun 10 08:56:38 2001 f5ADubZ03978 Subject: Re: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Talk about making a rod look SEXY. Maybe that's what I am doing wrong. =Gotta call the "supermodel" talent agency tomorrow for a photo shoot =with some of my rods. Joe Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:45 AMSubject: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up Bob Maulucci= http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboo=rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, =and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com photo shoot with some of my rods. Joe the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one hand and a = the other....."What a Great Life". ----- Original Message ----- Maulucci Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 =9:45 AMSubject: Saw this today on = and I cracked uphttp://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&= = = bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for= quadrate bamboo rods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, = accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellular bmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com= from mcranna@anearbyplanet.com Sun Jun 10 12:47:00 2001 f5AHkxZ05544 2001 11:46:59 -0600 Subject: RE: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up That's what I call marketing!!!!! Mike CrannaStreamline ConceptsSalida, Colorado -----Original Message----- Subject: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1153031159 Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadrate bamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories, and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 10 13:03:27 2001 f5AI3QZ05853 Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:03:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up Mmmmmmmmmmmmm she's a babe ............. Bob Maulucci wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1153031159 Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadratebamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories,and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from robertgkope@home.com Sun Jun 10 13:07:04 2001 f5AI73Z06067 femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com Subject: Converting tapers from glass This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Has anyone converted tapers from fiberglass to bamboo? I would like to make a boat rod for salmon fishing and try to duplicate =the taper of a Fenwick E-Glass rod that I really like. It's a 7' 0" =1-pc rod and has a really fast taper (i.e., 0.095 at the tip and 0.585 =at the 55" station). I know that fiberglass and bamboo are supposed to =have similar moduli of elasticity so I would think that you could use =the same dimensions to try to duplicate an action. But, I've seen older =bamboo boat rods and they always seem to be much heavier at the tip, and =lighter at the butt. -- Robert Kope Has anyone converted tapers from = bamboo? I would like to make a boat rod for = bamboo are supposed to have similar moduli of elasticity so I would = -- Robert =Kope from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Jun 10 13:48:26 2001 f5AImPZ06579 Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:48:20 -0700 Subject: Re: bob millward Darrell,What do you mean by "sole distributor"? I know for afact that Bob is selling his book himself. I suspect thatyou mean that you are the only dealer -- so far -- sellingBob's book. Will that not change as soon as other dealersget them in stock. In fact, your website mentions that youdon't even have any copies of the book yet.Unless I am mistaken, you're just trying to make a buckor two off those of us on the rodmakers list members who areuninformed or naive. Quoted below is a part of theguidelines that each and every listmember receives uponjoining this list. Reviewing them again won't hurt any ofus... Harry Boyd *** COMMERCIALISM It is strongly encouraged that listmembers openly discuss suppliers ofproducts, and their experiences with dealing with these suppliers. Ifyou know where a particular product can be obtain, or the suitabilityof a particular product to rodmaking, again you are encourage to shareyour insights with the list. This should be considered one of the majorbenefits of this list. *** IF YOU ARE BUSINESS Remember to keep commercial activities as private as possible. Most, ifnot all, business transactions are more appropriately handled throughprivate email, or through a phone call. If you have any question aboutthe appropriateness of a post by which you might profit, please refer tothis section, or contact the list maintainer (michael@wugate.wustl.edu) Posting of Advertisements, Commercial Offers, Marketing Messages, orConsumer Interest Surveys does not fit within the bounds of thisdiscussion forum, and is not permitted on the list. This listserver isnot intended to be a Sales/Marketing mechanism for commercialorganizations. If you are a manufacturer, or reseller you are always welcome toobserve/join in any discussion at all times. We do ask that everyone,please refrain from overt sales pitches and/or commercialism. If aproduct which you produce/sell can solve a problem or answer a questionraised by anyone on this list, then by all means feel free to *privately*contact the person asking the question. Please note that: unsolicited product announcements is advertising anddoes not belong in this forum. It is not out of line to provide your company name, Email address or WWWsite as part of your signoff/signature line, at the end of any messageyou post to this system. This Listserver operates on the honor system with respect to postingof advertising, so please respect these simple ground rules. Darrell Lee wrote: There is no ISBN# and Amazon does not have it.I just became Bob's sole distributor and will haveautographed copies available shortly. For info, email meoff list at books@vfish.net or go towww.vfish.net/Millward from thogan@rochester.rr.com Sun Jun 10 20:20:40 2001 f5B1KeZ10438 f5B1J6A10245 Subject: Swelled Butt This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Could anyone direct me to various techniques to create swelled butt? I =am not interested in ones that involve a specific planing form, but =rather the ones I have seen that involve what appears to be wooden =slivers. Are these just tapered slivers that are inserted prior to glue = What woods?What milling procedures? Any articles, personal experiences would be helpful.Thankstaylor Could anyone direct me to various = create swelled butt? I am not interested in ones that involve a specific = form, but rather the ones I have seen that involve what appears to be = slivers. Are these just tapered slivers that are inserted prior to glue = What woods?What millingprocedures? Any articles, personal experiences = helpful.Thankstaylor from guille32@tutopia.com Sun Jun 10 21:08:05 2001 f5B284Z11037 3B0C44DE002D385A for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 10 Jun 200119:04:19 -0700 Mon, 11 Jun 2001 02:04:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms I wish to thank to those who were so kind and patient for sharing with meexperiences and points of view about what I should expect from a planingform.It all has been very helpful. Thanks againGuillermo Magarios from Dennishigham@cs.com Sun Jun 10 21:35:33 2001 f5B2ZWZ11416 Subject: Grayrock Update Gentlemen,One thing I left out of the Grayrock schedule..we'll have Kathy Scott at the gathering to sign her book "Moose in the Water/Bamboo on the Bench. AlsoJoe Heywood will be in the Fly Factory on Sat. signing his book,"Snowfly" as well as his other novels. If you have either of these books please bring them with you. Best, Dennis from GRNMTRODS@aol.com Sun Jun 10 21:47:41 2001 f5B2leZ11690 Subject: Grayrock unrelated activities --part1_8a.7e528a1.28558b3d_boundary Thank you everyone whom offered ideas for the non rod building people to do. I am sure that once we get there ,we will be able to put some of your thoughts to work. Hope to see and meet everyone there ,Jim and Nancy --part1_8a.7e528a1.28558b3d_boundary Thank you everyonewhom offered ideas for the non rod building people to do. I am sure that once we get there ,we will be able to put some of your thoughts to work. Hope to see and meet everyone there ,Jim and Nancy --part1_8a.7e528a1.28558b3d_boundary-- from martinj@aa.net Sun Jun 10 22:03:38 2001 f5B33bZ12049 Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:03:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I'm guessing that you use a modem to connect to the Internet... I have DSLand I don't notice the difference in download speed. I remember a while backsomeone mentioned about a 10k signature file someone was using andcomplained about the slow speed to down load it. I have to say, you handledyour response a bit better than that fellow. THE GREEN! THE GREEN! AAAAAARRRRGGHHH! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Williams ; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:33AMSubject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms Before you buy anyone's forms, ask for the specs. I'd ask for thedepth at every station when the forms are closed down tight. Make sure youbuy forms with settings that will allow you to build the rods you want tobuild. For example, if you want to build a light line rod with small tipsmake sure the settings on the first 2 or 3 stations are shallow enough. Youcan't build a rod with a finished tip of 50 thou if the first station of theforms only has a minimum depth of 27 thou. Also, the ideal increase in depth getting the specs for every station, you can at least see who's forms havethe best specs. I think you get what you pay for, Wagner and Bellinger arethe highest price, followed by Catalano and Munro and then Blauvelt andColorado Bootstrap. I've owned forms from three of the makers I mentionedand the higher the price the better the quality and specs. Not asking fordetailed specs in the past is why I have purchased 3 sets of forms over thepast 5 years. Good Luck Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Guillermo Magarios Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:32PMSubject: Colorado Bootstrap Forms Hello everyone, I have been reading your posts for a whileand finally decided to take the big step, to let some money get out of thepocket and start buying a form. I was thinking about the Colorado Bootstrap forms as achoice however I am not quite sure, could you gentlemen please give me anyopinion/advise about the forms quality and delivery before I make any order? Thanks a lot for your time. 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Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:05 PM Cc: Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap Forms I'm guessing that you use a modem to connect to the Internet... I have DSLand I don't notice the difference in download speed. I remember a while backsomeone mentioned about a 10k signature file someone was using andcomplained about the slow speed to down load it. I have to say, you handledyour response a bit better than that fellow. THE GREEN! THE GREEN!AAAAAARRRRGGHHH! from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Jun 10 23:31:05 2001 f5B4V4Z13215 Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:30:58 -0700 Subject: Re: bob millward Darrell, I understand your points, and yes, I'd rather do business with you thanwithAmazon. In reality I purchase about a hundred and fifty books each year,mostof them from the little locally owned bookshop just three doors down frommychildhood home. If Bob's book was available there, that's where I'd buy it.Thank you for your explanation. If I was off the mark, then let me be quicktoapologize. You are completely correct that this particular post was not overtlycommercial. Perhaps I over-reacted by lumping this post in with others youhavemade in the past. That's unfair, and I'm sorry I didn't see the individualmessage for exactly what that one message was. But eleven other listmembershave written me with messages that basically say "Well said!" Apparently I'mnot the only one who saw it that way. One unfortunate tendency of humannatureis that we make judgements based on what we have seen in the past. Iwelcomeanyone who wants to judge the spirit of what I post here as one of the most,ifnot THE most prolific participant here. Only once have I ever beenreprimanded At the same time, you persistently promote your business on this list,whichis antithetical to the point and purpose of our activities here. At least threeposts to the list had mentioned Bob's name and address. One included hisphonenumber. Anyone who wanted the book could have managed to track Bobdown. Myperception of your post, possibly incorrect, was that you wanted to sell tofolks who would otherwise have purchased the book directly from Bob. As asometime semi-pro hack writer I know how hard it is to make a dime sellingone'swritings. Since Bob's the author, I'd rather buy straight from him so that hecan reap all the rewards. Again, I'll quote the list guidelines... Remember to keep commercial activities as private as possible. Most, if not all,business transactions are more appropriately handled through privateemail, orthrough a phone call. If you have any question about the appropriatenessof a post maintainer(michael@wugate.wustl.edu) for clarification. Posting of Advertisements, Commercial Offers, Marketing Messages, orConsumer Interest Surveys does not fit within the bounds of thisdiscussion forum,and is not permitted on the list. This listserver is not intended to be aSales/Marketing mechanism for commercial organizations. (emphasis added is mine, and sorry for the html -- Aw heck, it's all mine. Iauthored the guidelines about 3 1/2 years ago. I know them like the back ofmyhand) The auto reply feature of this list defaults to sending only to theoriginator of the message. Adding the list to our comments requires us tochoose to do so. My opinion doesn't count for any more than anyone else's,butyou might have handled this situation much more readily through replyingdirectly to the person who sent the note. The grapevine is an effectivemeansof communication. Word will get around that you have copies of this bookforsale, and I truly hope you sell every one you can get your hands on.But this list is not the place to promote your sales. Neither you nor Iwould ever consider announcing to the list that we have an item on eBay. When Iread the original post, that's what it sounded like to me. In no way do I begrudge your making a living off bamboo. I make my livingdoing something I love, and consider it a great blessing. I, too, could makemuch more money doing something else. But money is not the only value weuse toprice our activities. I sell a few rods each year, mostly so that I cancontinue to do something I love as a hobby. Heck, I could make a decent livingif I wanted to assemble graphite rods. Your analogy suggesting that I implythat rodmakers should give their rods away is just plain asinine. Darrell, your experience with rods both old and new is a valuable asset tothis list. I appreciate your willingness to share that experience. And I haveno doubt that your business is an asset to the bamboo community as well. Isimply do not think that it's right for you to use this list as a tool togenerate sales. A private email would have done that just as effectively. Good night,Harry from GordonKoppin@aol.com Mon Jun 11 01:29:13 2001 f5B6TDZ14655 Jun 2001 02:26:24 -0400 Subject: Re: bob millward Darrell' I personally appreciated your reply so that I could order the book using acredit card online since I will not be back in the US for another week. I would have trouble writing a check and mailing it Bob although several otherpostings did give his address and that option. Maybe if you had said that you can get it at your site or contact bob directlyHarry would not be so angry. Thanks for the information I look forward to getting the book.Gordon In a message dated Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:31:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,Harry Boyd writes: Remember to keep commercial activities as private as possible. Most, if not all,business transactions are more appropriately handled through privateemail, orthrough a phone call. If you have any question about the appropriatenessof a post maintainer(michael@wugate.wustl.edu) for clarification. Posting of Advertisements, Commercial Offers, Marketing Messages, orConsumer Interest Surveys does not fit within the bounds of thisdiscussion forum,and is not permitted on the list. This listserver is not intended to be aSales/Marketing mechanism for commercial organizations. (emphasis added is mine, and sorry for the html -- Aw heck, it's all mine. Iauthored the guidelines about 3 1/2 years ago. I know them like the back ofmyhand) The auto reply feature of this list defaults to sending only to theoriginator of the message. Adding the list to our comments requires us tochoose to do so. My opinion doesn't count for any more than anyone else's,butyou might have handled this situation much more readily through replyingdirectly to the person who sent the note. The grapevine is an effectivemeansof communication. Word will get around that you have copies of this bookforsale, and I truly hope you sell every one you can get your hands on.But this list is not the place to promote your sales. Neither you nor Iwould ever consider announcing to the list that we have an item on eBay. When Iread the original post, that's what it sounded like to me. In no way do I begrudge your making a living off bamboo. I make my livingdoing something I love, and consider it a great blessing. I, too, could makemuch more money doing something else. But money is not the only value weuse toprice our activities. I sell a few rods each year, mostly so that I cancontinue to do something I love as a hobby. Heck, I could make a decent livingif I wanted to assemble graphite rods. Your analogy suggesting that I implythat rodmakers should give their rods away is just plain asinine. Darrell, your experience with rods both old and new is a valuable asset tothis list. I appreciate your willingness to share that experience. And I haveno doubt that your business is an asset to the bamboo community as well. Isimply do not think that it's right for you to use this list as a tool togenerate sales. A private email would have done that just as effectively. Good night,Harry from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Jun 11 03:26:53 2001 f5B8QpZ15782 Subject: WARNING NON RODMAKING CONTENT Guys, just in case anybody wants to track me down I'll be away from nowtill mid July.Have a good one. Tony/**************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget thetrue Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. Myamoto Musashi/**************************************************************************/ from Welafong@aol.com Mon Jun 11 06:12:08 2001 f5BBC7Z16937 Subject: (no subject) --part1_f4.b200929.2856017e_boundary any one out there have Ron Brach e-mail or phone number? please contact me off the listthank you --part1_f4.b200929.2856017e_boundary one out there have Ron Brach e-mail or phone number? please contact me off the list --part1_f4.b200929.2856017e_boundary-- from dnorl@qwest.net Mon Jun 11 07:01:11 2001 f5BC1AZ17675 (63.228.47.234) Subject: Re: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up since I hit 71 yrs. old I get a bigger kick out of sawing a board straightwith a hand saw.Dave-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up Mmmmmmmmmmmmm she's a babe ............. Bob Maulucci wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1153031159 Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboo rodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadratebamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories,and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from gjm80301@yahoo.com Mon Jun 11 08:32:48 2001 f5BDWmZ19670 2001 06:32:46 PDT Subject: The Ten Commandments of Fly Fishing As I have had some fishing companions attempt to break one or more ofmy Ten Commandments of Fly Fishing this season, I thought it time topublish my list and see what others would add. Here goes: 1. Fish with bamboo unless you can land at least three times as manyfish with another tool. 2. Fish dries unless you can land at least five times as many fishwith nymphs. 3. Never wish that the hike back to the truck was shorter if thatentails wishing away precious steam mileage. 4. Fish in the rain or snow if it comes upon you, but never STARTfishing in the rain or snow. 5. Learn to release your catch as safely as possible, but once ortwice a year go out with the explcit plan to take a few home and thensee if you can. 6. Never leave rising fish to find better rising fish. There is nosuch thing. 7. Never leave rising fish for any non-fishing reason. 8. Fiddle with your tackle ast least as much as you actually fish. 9. Take at least one day a a season to make fishing better for usall. 10. Fish with good company or good fishers and thank God when youcan do both. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from petermckean@netspace.net.au Mon Jun 11 08:40:44 2001 f5BDegZ20129 f5BDeRc36954; Subject: Re: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up But, Dave, quite seriously - if, supposing, you had to have a female personcome around to read the water meter, or something, this is probably thesortof, kind of, female person that you would be most likely to select. Right? I mean, a straight saw cut is certainly a straight saw cut, and no disputingthat; but you must admit that there are certain arrangements of the geneticcoding material which produce individual biological entities which have aninherently higher probability of successfully reproducing themselves. And this is such an entity. In spades! Peter----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up since I hit 71 yrs. old I get a bigger kick out of sawing a board straightwith a hand saw.Dave-----Original Message-----From: paul.blakley Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Sunday, June 10, 2001 1:04 PMSubject: Re: Saw this today on Clark's site and I cracked up Mmmmmmmmmmmmm she's a babe ............. Bob Maulucci wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1153031159 Bob Maulucci==================================================http://www.powerfibers.com, the online magazine for bamboorodmakinghttp://www.downandacross.com, your source for hex and quadratebamboorods, silk lines and leaders, sherline lathes, mills, and accessories,and more218 Wallace AvenueBuffalo, NY 14216716-836-8297 home716-867-0523 cellularbmaulucci@adelphia.netbob@downandacross.com from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Mon Jun 11 08:57:11 2001 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) f5BDvBZ20707 (5.5.2653.19) rodmakers Subject: RE: The Ten Commandments of Fly Fishing Jerry -- Great list, but I think #4 got mangled on your way down from the mountaintop. My copy says "Fish in the rain and snow whenever possible." Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: The Ten Commandments of Fly Fishing As I have had some fishing companions attempt to break one or more ofmy Ten Commandments of Fly Fishing this season, I thought it time topublish my list and see what others would add. Here goes: 1. Fish with bamboo unless you can land at least three times as manyfish with another tool. 2. Fish dries unless you can land at least five times as many fishwith nymphs. 3. Never wish that the hike back to the truck was shorter if thatentails wishing away precious steam mileage. 4. Fish in the rain or snow if it comes upon you, but never STARTfishing in the rain or snow. 5. Learn to release your catch as safely as possible, but once ortwice a year go out with the explcit plan to take a few home and thensee if you can. 6. Never leave rising fish to find better rising fish. There is nosuch thing. 7. Never leave rising fish for any non-fishing reason. 8. Fiddle with your tackle ast least as much as you actually fish. 9. Take at least one day a a season to make fishing better for usall. 10. Fish with good company or good fishers and thank God when youcan do both. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ from vfish@vFish.net Mon Jun 11 08:57:46 2001 f5BDvjZ20814 Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:57:25 -0500 "Rodmakers" Subject: BAMBOO: Fact Fiction & Flyrods First, to keepers of the list... I write this message in reply to Harry'smessage which was posted to the list, so I feel I should reply on the listas well... My previous message was also in reply for where a copy of thebook could be found... I think this message did not get posted, so I'vereposted. Harry, I did not say exclusive distributor, I said sole distributor, meaning onlydistributor authorized by him to sell his book at this time... Perhaps abetter word to have chosen is bookseller and leave out the word sole. But,when all is said and done, I was not inaccurate. When I spoke with Bob, hewas reluctant to even have anyone besides himself sell the book... So, whileit is possible or likely he will have others sell them in the future, I didnot misrepresent at the time I responded to the message of Rich J. aboutwhere copies could be attained. His book can be obtained directly from him or from me. I think he will thank me in the future for selling books for him as I thinkhe will drive from Vancouver to Bellingham, Washington in order to shipbooks to the US. If the book takes off, I think he might get tired of thecommute. Commercialism: I did not mention price or give a big spiel, or write a bigadvertisement... I responded to the message posed to the list of where acopy could be attained and directed those interested to contact me offlistper the rules. Perhaps it would have been better to have a friend post to the list thatDarrell will be selling copies of Bob's book... Several people on the list