Received: from frontier.net (ppp131.pm3-08.durango.frontier.net [66.118.194. Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:32:40 -0700From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U)X-Accept- Language: en Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Stanley Isn't SquareReferences: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Dec 21 01:50:52 2001 fBL7oot11010 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:50:50 -0600 Subject: Re: worthless logwood "information" I must have had the director of Apocalypses Now in mind the furnace being that kind of thing when I spelt the furnace type [:-)] Since more or less turning from the dark side away from nodeless rods I have more than a few chopsticks laying about to fire the thing. Tony At 03:53 PM 12/20/01 -0500, Dennis Bertram wrote: Tony and Grayson, It's spelled cupola and I am a qualified operator. In the interest ofconservation we could use our mistakes to make charcoal rather thantomatostakes and use the charcoal to fire the cupola. Dennis-----Original Message-----From: Tony Young rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:26 PMSubject: Re: worthless logwood "information" /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Dec 21 01:50:53 2001 fBL7opt11011 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:50:51 -0600 Subject: Re: Stanley Isn't Square It's pretty much normal. Shouldn't be but is. All you need to be concerned with is the iron (blade) edge is square with the surface of the sole. Tony At 06:07 PM 12/20/01 -0500, KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: List, I've got another one of my typical rookie questions, thanks for putting up with me. Another interest of mine is homebrewing, which has an incredible internet list similar in many ways to Rodmakers. On the Homebrew Digest, when a rookie or lurker asks a basic question it often times turns in to a thread that ultimately fleshes out a new insight unknown to the more experienced brewers. Anyway, I hope my newbie questions have a similar effect along with helping out lurkers who don't want to ask the stupid questions that I do. Thanks for hanging in so far... I bought a new Stanley 9 1/2. I soled the plane and grooved it. I sanded the blade slide area where it exits the plane. I bought a new Hock blade, and sharpened it on the water stone, and flattened the backside. Before I use the plane, I sight the blade so that it is even (parallel) with the sole and at a depth that will produce the desired cut. I do this using the lateral adjustment and the depth adjustment. This has worked fine for me, but I am a little worried because the blade isn't square to the throat opening. If I look straight down on top of the plane, the edge of the blade is not square to the throat, but is at an angle. Seems like the edge of the blade should be parallel with the throat. It looks like one side of the blade should extend deeper on the sole than the other side, producing and angled cut. However, this doesn't happen, I can plane down to the forms and produce equal sided cross- sections. Should I be worried about this, and is this normal? IMRR - is my rod ruined? Thanks, Kyle Merry Christmas everyone! /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Dec 21 01:50:55 2001 fBL7ort11017 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:50:53 -0600 Subject: Re: Attachement Sizes A list shouldn't have attachments sent. Period. Tony At 04:09 PM 12/20/01 -0800, blue fin wrote: Can we get some regulation on the size of attachementsthat are placed on the list server? Not everyone hascable modem. Thanks for the consideration !!!!! Merry Christmas to all and FLAME AWAY TO THOSE THATWISH !!!! BF __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all ofyour unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.comor bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from lblan@provide.net Fri Dec 21 04:12:55 2001 fBLACst13120 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 04:12:54 -0600 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:12:52 -0500 Subject: RE: Stanley Isn't Square Kyle, look at it as knowledge gained, not time wasted. Almost any plane canbenefit from tuning. A much more common problem is a heavy paint edge onthebed, which creates the same condition you just corrected. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:47 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Stanley Isn't Square John, u da man, right you were! The blade contact area on the body had one side higher than the other. Iguess that's what I get for buying Chinese made tools. The $25differencebetween the Stanley and the Record looked good at the time, but Ihave easilyspent 5 or 6 hours "tuning" up this bad boy. Guess my time is worth lessthan minimum wage these days, sure can tell that by the $0.50year end bonusI got this year. I filed down the blade contact area so that it was even all theway across.The blade now aligns square to the throat after it has beensighted parallelto the sole. Thank you. Kyle In a message dated 12/20/2001 4:30:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,channer@frontier.net writes: Kyle;This is a classic example of how far Stanley has fallen from the quality level it used to maintain. I have a 60 1/2 that has the same problem, it is because the part of the body the blade rests on where it comes outisn't ground correctly, mine has more metal on one side than the other.I do hereby warn one and all about planes(even name brands) purchasednew at flea markets! Fortunately for me, I bought this marvelous pieceof work years ago to use on the job(carpenter), not for rodmaking, so it is no big deal to me, at least it was cheap. Kyle, take the blade outand look at the edge of the opening where the blade sits, it should bean even sharp edge all the way across, if it isn't, either toss it orget out a file and fix it.John KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: I bought a new Stanley 9 1/2. I soled the plane and grooved it. I sanded the blade slide area where it exits the plane. I bought a new Hock blade, and sharpened it on the water stone, and flattened the backside. Before I use the plane, I sight the blade so that it is even (parallel) with the sole and at a depth that will produce the desired cut. I do this using thelateral adjustment and the depth adjustment. This has worked fine for me, but I am a little worried because the blade isn't square to the throatopening. If I look straight down on top of the plane, the edge of the blade is not square to the throat, but is at an angle. Seems like the edge ofthe blade should be parallel with the throat. It looks like one side of the blade should extend deeper on the sole than the other side, producing and angled cut. However, this doesn't happen, I can plane down to the formsand produce equal sided cross-sections. Should I be worried about this, and is this normal? IMRR - is my rod ruined? Thanks, Kyle Merry Christmas everyone! ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (rly-yg03.mail.aol.com MAILINYG11-1220193042; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:30:42 -0500Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net MAILRELAYINYG32-1220193018;Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:30:18 -0500Received: from frontier.net (ppp131.pm3-08.durango.frontier.net [66.118.194. Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:32:40 -0700From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U)X-Accept- Language: en Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Stanley Isn't SquareReferences: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit from joseus@cybertech.com.ar Fri Dec 21 09:14:29 2001 fBLFEQW05250 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:14:27 -0600 fBLEQtD00334 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:26:55 -0300 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Agradecimiento_y_Explicaci=F3n?= Yo quero agradecer los sentimientos de amor , comprensi=F3n y buenos =deseos. Yo he recibido muchos mensajes de ustedes queridos hermanos.Yo =les agradesco desdo lo mas profundo de mi corazon, las palabras de =aliento. Pero tambien debo explicar un poco los acontecimientos. Si la =traducci=F3n no es correcta yo te pido Jojo, que por favor me ayudes a =explicar lo que yo deseo decir con mi corazon. La tarde del mi=E9rcoles, =cuando se produjeron los saqueos y vandalismos, esa gente no es gente =honesta, si bien es cierto que hay muchos que no tienen trabajo, tambien =es cierto que el hombre honesto no sale a robar, a su propio hermano. A =esa gente no se la reprimio, la policia los dejaba hacer. La gente que =sali=F3 a golpear las cacerolas, no salio a robar. Esa es la gente =honesta y trabajadora, que lo unico que reclamaba era la ida de todos =los corruptos del gobierno. Esa gente NO ROBO NADA. Pero ellos fueron =los que recibieron la mayor represi=F3n. Deben ustedes mirar la =diferencia , despues vinieron los vandalos que son de tendencias de =izquierda ( Subversivos) son ellos los que queman las banderas y gritan =Yanquis go home. Son los mismos que quemaban los bancos, robaban en =comercios de electrodomesticos, computadoras . Fue ron los vecinos los =que impidieron que esa gentusa realizara mas desmanes. Esas personas son=las que viven pidiendo y no aman el trabajo honesto. Ellos son los =partidarios de los gobernantes corruptos, que viajan a Nueva Yor, a =pedir dinero a Fondo Monetario. NOSOTROS la gente honesta NADA TUVIMOS =QUE VER CON LOS SAQUEOS. En mi casa a pesar que nos encontramos en una=muy delicada situaci=F3n, no tenemos NECESIDAD y jamas saldria a robar, =ni yo, y ningunos de mis hijos.Yo tengo una huerta en los fonddos de mi =terreno, tambien tengo gallinas que me dan huevos y carne. Yo agradezco =a todos ustedes sus buenos deseos y pido su comprensi=F3n . Le saludo =afectuosamente. Un hermano Argentino. Alberto. ( La Avispa). Me quero to thank the feelings of love, understanding and good desires. =I have received many messages of you dear siblings. Me them agradesco =desdo him but deep of my heart, the words of encouragement. But I should =also explain a little the events. If the translation is not correct I =request you Jojo that please help me to explain what I want to say with =my heart. The afternoon of Wednesday, when the lootings and vandalisms =took place, that people are not honest people, although you/he/she is =certain that there are many that don't have work, you/he/she is also =certain that the honest man doesn't leave to steal, to his own brother. =To that people it didn't repress it to him, the police allowed them to =make. People that left to hit the saucepans, didn't leave to steal. That =is honest and hard-working people that the only thing that claimed was =the government's going of all the corrupt ones. That people don't STEAL =ANYTHING. But they were those that received the biggest repression. You =owe to look at the difference, later the vandals that are of left =tendencies came (Subversive) they are them those that burn the flags and =Yank go home screams. They are the same ones that burned the banks, they=stole in trade of appliances, computers. It was rum the neighbors those =that prevented that that gentusa carried out but outrages. Those people =are those that live requesting and they don't love the honest work. They =are those in favor of the corrupt rulers that travel to New Yor, to =request money to Monetary Fund. US honest people ANYTHING HAD to DOWITH =THE LOOTINGS. In my house to weigh that we are in a very delicate =situation, we don't have NECESSITY and he/she would never leave to =steal, neither me, and any of my children. I have a vegetable garden in =the fonddos of my land, I also have hens that give me eggs and meat. I =thank to all you their good desires and I request their understanding. I = joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/albertoyjoseusman Yo quero agradecer los sentimientos de amor , comprensi=F3n y buenos= he recibido muchos mensajes de ustedes queridos hermanos.Yo les = lo mas profundo de mi corazon, las palabras de aliento. Pero tambien = explicar un poco los acontecimientos. Si la traducci=F3n no es correcta = Jojo, que por favor me ayudes a explicar lo que yo deseo decir con mi = La tarde del mi=E9rcoles, cuando se produjeron los saqueos y = gente no es gente honesta, si bien es cierto que hay muchos que no = trabajo, tambien es cierto que el hombre honesto no sale a robar, a su = hermano. A esa gente no se la reprimio, la policia los dejaba hacer. La = que sali=F3 a golpear las cacerolas, no salio a robar. Esa es la gente = trabajadora, que lo unico que reclamaba era la ida de todos los = gobierno. Esa gente NO ROBO NADA. Pero ellos fueron los que recibieron = represi=F3n. Deben ustedes mirar la diferencia , despues vinieron los = son de tendencias de izquierda ( Subversivos) son ellos los que queman = banderas y gritan Yanquis go home. Son los mismos que quemaban los = robaban en comercios de electrodomesticos, computadoras . Fue ron los = los que impidieron que esa gentusa realizara mas desmanes. Esas personas = que viven pidiendo y no aman el trabajo honesto. Ellos son los = los gobernantes corruptos, que viajan a Nueva Yor, a pedir dinero a = Monetario. NOSOTROS la gente honesta NADA TUVIMOS QUE VER CON LOS = casa a pesar que nos encontramos en una muy delicada situaci=F3n, no = NECESIDAD y jamas saldria a robar, ni yo, y ningunos de mis hijos.Yo = huerta en los fonddos de mi terreno, tambien tengo gallinas que me dan = carne. Yo agradezco a todos ustedes sus buenos deseos y pido su = saludo afectuosamente. Un hermano Argentino. Alberto. ( La =Avispa).Me quero to thank the feelings of love, understanding and good = have received many messages of you dear siblings. Me them agradesco = but deep of my heart, the words of encouragement. But I should also = little the events. If the translation is not correct I request you Jojo = please help me to explain what I want to say with my heart. The = Wednesday, when the lootings and vandalisms took place, that people are = honest people, although you/he/she is certain that there are many that = have work, you/he/she is also certain that the honest man doesn't leave = steal, to his own brother. To that people it didn't repress it to him, = police allowed them to make. People that left to hit the saucepans, = to steal. That is honest and hard-working people that the only thing = claimed was the government's going of all the corrupt ones. That people = STEAL ANYTHING. But they were those that received the biggest = owe to look at the difference, later the vandals that are of left = came (Subversive) they are them those that burn the flags and Yank go = screams. They are the same ones that burned the banks, they stole in = appliances, computers. It was rum the neighbors those that prevented = gentusa carried out but outrages. Those people are those that live = and they don't love the honest work. They are those in favor of the = rulers that travel to New Yor, to request money to Monetary Fund. US = people ANYTHING HAD to DO WITH THE LOOTINGS. In my house to weigh that = a very delicate situation, we don't have NECESSITY and he/she would = to steal, neither me, and any of my children. I have a vegetable garden = fonddos of my land, I also have hens that give me eggs and meat. I thank = affectionately. An Argentinean brother. Alberto. (The Wasp). joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/alb=ertoyjoseusman from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Fri Dec 21 09:27:03 2001 fBLFR3W05896 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:27:03 -0600 sender ) Subject: Looking for 'C' programming software.... To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing software, something =like Borland Turbo C. I'll be programming in DOS and I figure theres =got to be old versions floating around out there not being used. If you = Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end result will be rodmaking =related.... Thankstom To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing = theres got to be old versions floating around out there not being = Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end = rodmaking related.... Thankstom from jojo@ipa.net Fri Dec 21 10:00:33 2001 fBLG0WW07274 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:00:33 -0600 helo=default) id 16HS63-0003DY-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:00:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Gee, Tom. I don't know that you've gilded the lily by calling those who =might have helped you "nerds". You might have at least used the term ="egg- heads". }B^)> M-D To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing software, something =like Borland Turbo C. I'll be programming in DOS and I figure theres =got to be old versions floating around out there not being used. If you = Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end result will be =rodmaking related.... Thankstom Gee, Tom. I don't know= gilded the lily by calling those who might have helped you "nerds". You = have at least used the term "egg-heads". M-D and Tom Ausfeld To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing = theres got to be old versions floating around out there not being = Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end = be rodmaking related.... Thankstom from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Fri Dec 21 10:15:01 2001 fBLGF0W08162 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:15:00 -0600 0000 Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Myself, being a nerd, find it a compliment.tom Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Gee, Tom. I don't know that you've gilded the lily by calling those =who might have helped you "nerds". You might have at least used the term ="egg- heads". }B^)> M-D To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing software, =something like Borland Turbo C. I'll be programming in DOS and I figure =theres got to be old versions floating around out there not being used. = Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end result will be =rodmaking related.... Thankstom Myself, being a nerd, find it a =compliment.tom ----- Original Message ----- Jojo =DeLancier Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001= AMSubject: Re: Looking for 'C' = software.... Gee, Tom. I don't know= gilded the lily by calling those who might have helped you "nerds". = have at least used the term "egg-heads". = M-D Jill and Tom Ausfeld To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' = and I figure theres got to be old versions floating around out there = Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end = will be rodmaking related.... Thankstom from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Fri Dec 21 10:20:39 2001 fBLGKdW08607 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:20:39 -0600 Subject: RE: Looking for 'C' programming software.... The proper reference for a person who spends his time engrossed by thesesilicon based electronic marvels is a Computer Geek, or simply geek. A nerdhas a pocket protector and several pens, pencils protractors and shortrulers sticking out of a shirt pocket that's buttoned to the top and pantspulled up too high. Geek would have some sort of PDA for his PIM and ifreally geeky carries the latest and lightest laptop. Would wear some sort ofslogan T-shirt and pants baggy and too low. Something in that vintage of software would come on 5.25" floppy disk.Henceyou would need to know if is a 360k or 1.2mb drive. I'll check in thedungeons of the school and see what I can find. Happy Holidays to all! Pete-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Gee, Tom. I don't know that you've gilded the lily by calling those whomight have helped you "nerds". You might have at least used the term"egg-heads". }B^)> M-D From: Jill and Tom Ausfeld To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing software, somethinglike Borland Turbo C. I'll be programming in DOS and I figure theres got tobe old versions floating around out there not being used. If you can helpme, contact me off list. Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end result will be rodmakingrelated.... Thankstom proper reference for a person who spends his time engrossed by these = based electronic marvels is a Computer Geek, or simply geek. A nerd has = protector and several pens, pencils protractors and short = out of a shirt pocket that's buttoned to the top and pants pulled up too = Geek would have some sort of PDA for his PIM and if really geeky carries = latest and lightest laptop. Would wear some sort of slogan T-shirt and = baggy and too low. Something in that vintage of software would come on 5.25" = Hence you would need to know if is a 360k or 1.2mb drive. I'll check in = dungeons of the school and see what I can find. Holidays to all! Pete DeLancierSent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:59 = rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Looking for 'C' = software....Gee, Tom. I don't know= gilded the lily by calling those who might have helped you "nerds". = have at least used the term "egg-heads". = M-D Jill and Tom Ausfeld = To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' = and I figure theres got to be old versions floating around out there = Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end = will be rodmaking related.... Thankstom from jojo@ipa.net Fri Dec 21 10:35:14 2001 fBLGZEW09488 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:35:14 -0600 helo=default) id 16HSdT-0005TC-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:35:05 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Agradecimiento_y_Explicaci=F3n?= Alberto, Pienso que nos entendemos lo que quieres decir con tus palabras y el = nosotros sabemos que la gente conllev=F3 en los disturbios las son una =clase inferior. Es normalmente lo mismo in todo el mundo, lo mismo en =este pa=EDs tambi=E9n. Eso typo de gente solo necesita una excusa para =hacer problemas. Nadie piensa mal de tu pa=EDs o la gente honesta de tu =pa=EDs. Nos entendemos. Estas cosas ocurren y ellas pasaran tambi=E9n. Anda con Dios y espero y rezar=E9 que cosas estaran mejor para ustedes =and tu pa=EDs. Gracias para escribirnos y explicar. M-D Alberto, I think that we understand what you want to say, your words, and the = the people involved in the riots are low people. It's normally the same =all over the world, the same in this country, too. That type of people =only need an excuse to cause problems. Nobody thinks badly of your =country or the honest people there. We understand. These things happen, =and they too shall pass. God be with you, and I hope and pray that things will be better for =y'all and your country. Thanks for writing us and explaining. M-D Yo quero agradecer los sentimientos de amor , comprensi=F3n y buenos =deseos. Yo he recibido muchos mensajes de ustedes queridos hermanos.Yo =les agradesco desdo lo mas profundo de mi corazon, las palabras de =aliento. Pero tambien debo explicar un poco los acontecimientos. Si la =traducci=F3n no es correcta yo te pido Jojo, que por favor me ayudes a =explicar lo que yo deseo decir con mi corazon. La tarde del mi=E9rcoles, =cuando se produjeron los saqueos y vandalismos, esa gente no es gente =honesta, si bien es cierto que hay muchos que no tienen trabajo, tambien =es cierto que el hombre honesto no sale a robar, a su propio hermano. A =esa gente no se la reprimio, la policia los dejaba hacer. La gente que =sali=F3 a golpear las cacerolas, no salio a robar. Esa es la gente =honesta y trabajadora, que lo unico que reclamaba era la ida de todos =los corruptos del gobierno. Esa gente NO ROBO NADA. Pero ellos fueron =los que recibieron la mayor represi=F3n. Deben ustedes mirar la =diferencia , despues vinieron los vandalos que son de tendencias de =izquierda ( Subversivos) son ellos los que queman las banderas y gritan =Yanquis go home. Son los mismos que quemaban los bancos, robaban en =comercios de electrodomesticos, computadoras . Fue ron los vecinos los =que impidieron que esa gentusa realizara mas desmanes. Esas personas son=las que viven pidiendo y no aman el trabajo honesto. Ellos son los =partidarios de los gobernantes corruptos, que viajan a Nueva Yor, a =pedir dinero a Fondo Monetario. NOSOTROS la gente honesta NADA TUVIMOS =QUE VER CON LOS SAQUEOS. En mi casa a pesar que nos encontramos en una=muy delicada situaci=F3n, no tenemos NECESIDAD y jamas saldria a robar, =ni yo, y ningunos de mis hijos.Yo tengo una huerta en los fonddos de mi =terreno, tambien tengo gallinas que me dan huevos y carne. Yo agradezco =a todos ustedes sus buenos deseos y pido su comprensi=F3n . Le saludo =afectuosamente. Un hermano Argentino. Alberto. ( La Avispa). Me quero to thank the feelings of love, understanding and good =desires. I have received many messages of you dear siblings. Me them =agradesco desdo him but deep of my heart, the words of encouragement. =But I should also explain a little the events. If the translation is not =correct I request you Jojo that please help me to explain what I want to =say with my heart. The afternoon of Wednesday, when the lootings and =vandalisms took place, that people are not honest people, although =you/he/she is certain that there are many that don't have work, =you/he/she is also certain that the honest man doesn't leave to steal, =to his own brother. To that people it didn't repress it to him, the =police allowed them to make. People that left to hit the saucepans, =didn't leave to steal. That is honest and hard-working people that the =only thing that claimed was the government's going of all the corrupt =ones. That people don't STEAL ANYTHING. But they were those that =received the biggest repression. You owe to look at the difference, =later the vandals that are of left tendencies came (Subversive) they are =them those that burn the flags and Yank go home screams. They are the =same ones that burned the banks, they stole in trade of appliances, =computers. It was rum the neighbors those that prevented that that =gentusa carried out but outrages. Those people are those that live =requesting and they don't love the honest work. They are those in favor =of the corrupt rulers that travel to New Yor, to request money to =Monetary Fund. US honest people ANYTHING HAD to DO WITH THE LOOTINGS.In =my house to weigh that we are in a very delicate situation, we don't =have NECESSITY and he/she would never leave to steal, neither me, and =any of my children. I have a vegetable garden in the fonddos of my land, =I also have hens that give me eggs and meat. I thank to all you their =good desires and I request their understanding. I greet him = joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/albertoyjoseusman Alberto, Pienso= entendemos lo que quieres decir con tus palabras y el sentimiento desde = = = tambi=E9n. espero y rezar=E9 que cosas estaran mejor para ustedes and tu pa=EDs. = escribirnos y explicar. M-D Alberto, I think that we = you want to say, your words, and the sentiments of your heart, without = translating it. All of us know that the people involved in the riots are = people. It's normally the same all over the world, the same in this = too. That type of people only need an excuse to cause problems. Nobody = badly of your country or the honest people there. We understand. These = happen, and they too shall pass. God be with you, = pray that things will be better for y'all and your country. Thanks for = us and explaining. M-D Usman Yo quero agradecer los sentimientos de amor , comprensi=F3n y = Yo he recibido muchos mensajes de ustedes queridos hermanos.Yo les = desdo lo mas profundo de mi corazon, las palabras de aliento. Pero = debo explicar un poco los acontecimientos. Si la traducci=F3n no es = te pido Jojo, que por favor me ayudes a explicar lo que yo deseo decir = vandalismos, esa gente no es gente honesta, si bien es cierto que hay = que no tienen trabajo, tambien es cierto que el hombre honesto no sale = robar, a su propio hermano. A esa gente no se la reprimio, la policia = dejaba hacer. La gente que sali=F3 a golpear las cacerolas, no salio a = Esa es la gente honesta y trabajadora, que lo unico que reclamaba era = de todos los corruptos del gobierno. Esa gente NO ROBO NADA. Pero = los que recibieron la mayor represi=F3n. Deben ustedes mirar la = Subversivos) son ellos los que queman las banderas y gritan Yanquis go = electrodomesticos, computadoras . Fue ron los vecinos los que = esa gentusa realizara mas desmanes. Esas personas son las que viven = no aman el trabajo honesto. Ellos son los partidarios de los = corruptos, que viajan a Nueva Yor, a pedir dinero a Fondo Monetario. = la gente honesta NADA TUVIMOS QUE VER CON LOS SAQUEOS. En mi casa a = nos encontramos en una muy delicada situaci=F3n, no tenemos NECESIDAD= saldria a robar, ni yo, y ningunos de mis hijos.Yo tengo una huerta en = fonddos de mi terreno, tambien tengo gallinas que me dan huevos y = agradezco a todos ustedes sus buenos deseos y pido su comprensi=F3n . = afectuosamente. Un hermano Argentino. Alberto. ( La =Avispa).Me quero to thank the feelings of love, understanding and good = have received many messages of you dear siblings. Me them agradesco = but deep of my heart, the words of encouragement. But I should also = little the events. If the translation is not correct I request you = please help me to explain what I want to say with my heart. The = Wednesday, when the lootings and vandalisms took place, that people = honest people, although you/he/she is certain that there are many that = have work, you/he/she is also certain that the honest man doesn't = steal, to his own brother. To that people it didn't repress it to him, = police allowed them to make. People that left to hit the saucepans, = leave to steal. That is honest and hard-working people that the only = that claimed was the government's going of all the corrupt ones. That = repression. You owe to look at the difference, later the vandals that = left tendencies came (Subversive) they are them those that burn the = Yank go home screams. They are the same ones that burned the banks, = in trade of appliances, computers. It was rum the neighbors those that = prevented that that gentusa carried out but outrages. Those people are = that live requesting and they don't love the honest work. They are = favor of the corrupt rulers that travel to New Yor, to request money = Monetary Fund. US honest people ANYTHING HAD to DO WITH THE LOOTINGS.= house to weigh that we are in a very delicate situation, we don't have = NECESSITY and he/she would never leave to steal, neither me, and any = children. I have a vegetable garden in the fonddos of my land, I also = hens that give me eggs and meat. I thank to all you their good desires = request their understanding. I greet him affectionately. An = brother. Alberto. (The Wasp). joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/alb=ertoyjoseusman from jojo@ipa.net Fri Dec 21 10:37:39 2001 fBLGbcW09751 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:37:38 -0600 helo=default) id 16HSft-0000DV-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:37:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Well, if the pot wants to call the kettle black, far be it from me to . =. . }B^)> (with a larger than normal BSEG) M-D Myself, being a nerd, find it a compliment.tom Gee, Tom. I don't know that you've gilded the lily by calling those =who might have helped you "nerds". You might have at least used the term ="egg- heads". }B^)> M-D To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing software, =something like Borland Turbo C. I'll be programming in DOS and I figure =theres got to be old versions floating around out there not being used. = Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end result will be =rodmaking related.... Thankstom Well, if the pot wantsto = BSEG) M-D and Tom Ausfeld Myself, being a nerd, find it a =compliment.tom Jojo =DeLancier Gee, Tom. I don't = you've gilded the lily by calling those who might have helped you = M-D Jill and Tom Ausfeld = To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' = and I figure theres got to be old versions floating around out = Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the = will be rodmaking related.... Thankstom from ttalsma@macatawa.org Fri Dec 21 10:38:23 2001 fBLGcMW09896 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:38:22 -0600 id ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:31:36 -0500 id Y2QPV1M0; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:31:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Geek? Nerd? I've never been so insulted in my life! I'm going to takemy pocket protector and go home! BTW, I gave my wife a shirt thatstates, "Not all superheroes wear tights and a cape." underneath apicture of a pocket protector, complete with pens and a slide rule. As someone said earlier this week, OY VAY! -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from jojo@ipa.net Fri Dec 21 10:43:32 2001 Received: from fBLGhVW10469 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16HSlc-0005n9-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 21Dec 2001 11:43:29 -0500 Message-ID:From: "Jojo DeLancier" References:Subject: Re: Looking for jojo@ipa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part quoted-printable I'm sorry. I stand corrected. You know how it is when one ismorphing = granular vortals all day, with an extended emphasis onsynthesizing = seamless metrics. Makes it extremely difficult to meshimpactful = systems, not to mention engineer transparent synergies . . . but electronic marvels is a Computer Geek, or simply = geek. A nerd has apocket protector and several pens, pencils = protractors and short rulerssticking out of a shirt pocket that's = buttoned to the top and pants pulledup too high. Geek would have some = sort of PDA for his PIM and if reallygeeky carries the latest and = lightest laptop. Would wear some sort ofslogan T- shirt and pants baggy = and too low. Something in that vintage ofsoftware would come on 5.25" floppy disk. = Hence you would need to know ifis a 360k or 1.2mb drive. I'll check in = the dungeons of the school and seewhat I can find. Happy Holidays to all! Pete -----Original Message----- From: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Jojo DeLancier Sent: Friday, Looking for 'C' programming software.... Gee, Tom. I don't know that you'vegilded the lily by calling those = who might have helped you "nerds". You mighthave at least used the term = "egg-heads". }B^)> M-D From: Jill and Tom 'C' programing software, = something like Borland Turbo C. I'll beprogramming in DOS and I figure = theres got to be old versions floatingaround out there not being used. = If you can help me, contact me off list. rodmaking related.... Thanks tom ------ impactful systems, not to mention engineer transparent synergies . . = Something in that vintage of software would -----Original Message----- DeLancierSent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:59 = Gee, Tom. I don't = M- the list: I'm looking for an old version Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the = end Thanks tom ------ tausfeld@frontiernet.net Fri Dec 21 10:47:03 2001 Received: fromrelay03.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01d.roc.frontiernet.net 21 Dec 2001 16:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) 2001 16:46:55 -0000 Message-ID:From: "Jill and Tom "Rod Makers (E-mail)" References:Subject: Re: Looking for tausfeld@frontiernet.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This all, Thanks to Bill Hoy, I'm all set. What a resource this list is. I mustapologize to those whom I have apparently offended with the term = "nerd".Some prefer to be called geeks, I'm very sorry. I will be more = careful in thefuture. A rose by any other name is..... Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tom ----- 'C' programming software.... The proper reference for a person who spendshis time engrossed by = these silicon based electronic marvels is a ComputerGeek, or simply = geek. A nerd has a pocket protector and several pens,pencils = protractors and short rulers sticking out of a shirt pocket that's =buttoned to the top and pants pulled up too high. Geek would have some =sort of PDA for his PIM and if really geeky carries the latest and = lightestlaptop. Would wear some sort of slogan T-shirt and pants baggy = and too disk. = Hence you would need to know if is a 360k or 1.2mb drive. I'll check in rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Jojo DeLancier Sent: Friday, Looking for 'C' programming software.... Gee, Tom. I don't know that you'vegilded the lily by calling those = who might have helped you "nerds". You might of a 'C' programing software, = something like Borland Turbo C. I'll beprogramming in DOS and I figure = theres got to be old versions floatingaround out there not being used. = If you can help me, contact me off list. rodmaking related.... Thanks tom ------ Pete and all, Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tom----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 DeLancierSent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:59 = Gee, Tom. I don't = M- list: I'm looking for an old version of a Fri Dec 21 11:04:38 2001 Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo- (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 4.168.6034b5c (15876) for 1221120423; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:04:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 200112:04:23 EST From: KyleDruey@aol.com Subject: RE: Looking for 'C' Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I think Code Monkey seemsmore fitting... [:)] Kyle (a recovering engineer turned bean counter) In amessage dated Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:21:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,"Peter Van Schaack" writes: The proper reference for a person who spends his time engrossed by thesesilicon based electronic marvels is a Computer Geek, or simply geek. A nerd has apocket protector and several pens, pencils protractors and short rulerssticking out of a shirt pocket that's buttoned to the top and pants pulled up toohigh. Geek would have some sort of PDA for his PIM and if really geeky carriesthe latest and lightest laptop. Would wear some sort of slogan T-shirt andpants baggy and too low. Something in that vintage ofsoftware would come on 5.25" floppy disk. Hence you would need to know if is a 360k or 1.2mb drive. I'll check in the dungeons of the school and see what I can find. Happy Holidays to all! Pete -----Original Message-----From: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Jojo DeLancierSent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:59 AM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Gee, Tom. I don't know that you've gilded the lily by calling those who might have helped you "nerds". You might have at least used the term "egg-heads". }B^)>M-DFrom: Jill and Tom Ausfeld To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing software, something like Borland Turbo C. I'll be programming in DOS and I figure theres got to be old versions floating around out there not being used. If you can help me, contact me off list. Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end result will be rodmaking related....Thankstom from lblan@provide.net Fri Dec 21 11:22:52 2001 fBLHMpW13182 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:22:51 -0600 with HTTP id 7611035 for ; Fri, 21 Dec2001 12:22:44 -0500 Subject: Re: (OT) Looking for 'C' programming software.... Oooohhh.... thanks! Haven't heard that term before, but Ihappen to know just where I'm going to use it when we getback from xmas!! Larry Blan On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:04:23 ESTKyleDruey@aol.com wrote: I think Code Monkey seems more fitting... [:)] Kyle(a recovering engineer turned bean counter) from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Dec 21 11:50:46 2001 fBLHojW14422 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:50:45 -0600 Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... More like your ancient wizardness [:-)] Tony At 09:59 AM 12/21/01 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Gee, Tom. I don't know that you've gilded the lily by calling those who might have helped you "nerds". You might have at least used the term "egg-heads". }B^)> M-D From: Jill and Tom Ausfeld To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing software, something like Borland Turbo C. I'll be programming in DOS and I figure theres got to be old versions floating around out there not being used. If you can help me, contact me off list. Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end result will be rodmaking related.... Thankstom /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Fri Dec 21 12:09:23 2001 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) fBLI9IW15510 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:09:22 -0600 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:09:10 -0600 Subject: Delete to Avoid Non-bamboo Joke Re Nerds, was Looking for 'C' pr ogramming software.... this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. A geek is one thing, but here is one way to identify a nerd. Note that aperson can be a geek AND a nerd simultaneously. A nerd was taking his lunch time stroll, walking four times around thecube- shaped math building on the campus where he worked. Up came a fellownerd on a very expensive brand-new mountain bike. "What's with the bike," asked the first nerd. "You'll never believe what happened," the other replied. "I was walking backto my cubicle after lunch when this incredibly beautiful woman rode up to meon this bike. She stopped, got off, took off all of her clothes, and leftthem in a pile by the sidewalk. She walked right up to me, spread out herarms, and said I could take whatever I want." "Holy cow," said the first nerd. "That was really smart to grab the bike." "Yeah," said the second nerd, "none of those clothes would have fit me. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... I'm sorry. I stand corrected. You know how it is when one is morphinggranular vortals all day, with an extended emphasis on synthesizing seamlessmetrics. Makes it extremely difficult to mesh impactful systems, not tomention engineer transparent synergies . . . but that's life, huh? M-D proper reference for a person who spends his time engrossed by thesesilicon based electronic marvels is a Computer Geek, or simply geek. A nerdhas a pocket protector and several pens, pencils protractors and shortrulers sticking out of a shirt pocket that's buttoned to the top and pantspulled up too high. Geek would have some sort of PDA for his PIM and ifreally geeky carries the latest and lightest laptop. Would wear some sort ofslogan T-shirt and pants baggy and too low. Something in that vintage of software would come on 5.25" floppy disk.Henceyou would need to know if is a 360k or 1.2mb drive. I'll check in thedungeons of the school and see what I can find. Happy Holidays to all! Pete-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software....Gee, Tom. I don't know that you've gilded the lily by calling those whomight have helped you "nerds". You might have at least used the term"egg-heads". }B^)>M-D To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing software, something likeBorland Turbo C. I'll be programming in DOS and I figure theres got to beold versions floating around out there not being used. If you can help me,contact me off list. Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end result will be rodmakingrelated.... Thankstom 0DocumentEmail A=geek isone thing, but here is one way to identify a nerd. Note that a person =can be ageek AND a nerd simultaneously. A=nerd wastaking his lunch time stroll, walking four times around the cube- shaped =mathbuilding on the campus where he worked. Up came a fellow nerd on a very =expensivebrand-new mountain bike. &=#8220;What’swith the bike,” asked the first =nerd. &=#8220;You’llnever believe what happened,” the other replied. “I was =walking back to my cubicleafter lunch when this incredibly beautiful woman rode up to me on this =bike.She stopped, got off, took off all of her clothes, and left them in a =pile bythe sidewalk. She walked right up to me, spread out her arms, and said =I couldtake whatever I want.” &=#8220;Holy cow,”said the first nerd. “That was really smart to grab the =bike.” &=#8220;Yeah,”said the second nerd, “none of those clothes would have fit =me. -----OriginalMessage-----From: Jojo DeLancier Sent: Friday, December =21, 200110:42 AM =groupSubject: Re: Looking for ='C'programming software.... I'm sorry. I stand corrected. You know how it is when one =ismorphing granular vortals all day, with an extended emphasis on =synthesizingseamless metrics. Makes it extremely difficult to mesh impactful =systems, not huh?= M-D= From: Peter Van Schaack = The proper reference for a person who spends his time =engrossed bythese silicon based electronic marvels is a Computer Geek, or simply =geek. Anerd has a pocket protector and several pens, pencils protractors and =short and pantspulled up too high. Geek would have some sort of PDA for his PIM and if =reallygeeky carries the latest and lightest laptop. Would wear some sort of =sloganT-shirt and pants baggy and too low.= Something in that vintage of software would come on =5.25"floppy disk. Hence you would need to know if is a 360k or 1.2mb drive. =I'llcheck in the dungeons of the school and see what I can =find.= Happy Holidays to all!= Pete -----OriginalMessage-----From:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu = Sent: Friday, December =21, 200110:59 AM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Looking for ='C'programming software.... Gee, Tom. I don't know that you've gilded the lily by =callingthose who might have helped you "nerds". You might have at =least usedthe term "egg-heads". = M-D= From: Jilland Tom Ausfeld To the nerdson the list: I'=m looking Turbo versions contact me Sorry of thenon-rodmaking content, but the end result will be rodmaking =related....= Thanks= tom= from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Dec 21 12:16:58 2001 fBLIGuW15987 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:16:56 -0600 Rodmakers discussion group Subject: Re: Delete to Avoid Non-bamboo Joke Re Nerds, was Looking for'C' pr ogramming software.... Now, just a minute there, are you implying nerds cross dress?? [:-)] Holy cow, said the first nerd. That was really smart to grab the bike.Yeah, said the second nerd, none of those clothes would have fit me. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from KyleDruey@aol.com Fri Dec 21 12:36:00 2001 fBLIa0W16836 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:36:00 -0600 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:35:46 -0500 MAILINID98-1221133546; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:35:46 -0500 Subject: Motor Speed for Leather Wheel List, I salvaged the pump motor off of a discarded dishwasher and would like touse it, and some other misc. parts, and transform them in to a Bride ofFranken Sharpener. I think this motor turns at 3600 rpm, is this too fast The strop is a lawn mower wheel with a 1/8" strip of leather glued to it, allmounted on some scrap lumber, and tool rest will be fashioned from morescrap wood. Thanks, Kyle from jmcw@riscinfo.com Fri Dec 21 12:38:22 2001 fBLIcMW17069 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:38:22 -0600 Subject: RE: Looking for 'C' programming software.... content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Topic: Looking for 'C' programming software....Thread-Index: AcGKNH7lKfLCzU3OTSKnQnLxpn+WGAAGYlaA fBLIcMW17070 Damn, we're moving office today and just last weekend we trashed tons ofdiskettes with old compilers for DOS, Win3.1, etc. There are some web resources that might help (can't vouch 100% for them) http://www.pysmatic.com/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-programmer- faq/part5/section-10.html(watch word wrap) Good luckjim Jim McWilliamsManaging Director, Risk Information Systems & Consultingjim@riscinfo.com -----Original Message----- Subject: Looking for 'C' programming software.... To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing software, somethinglike Borland Turbo C. I'll be programming in DOS and I figure theresgot to be old versions floating around out there not being used. If youcan help me, contact me off list. Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end result will be rodmakingrelated.... Thankstom from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Dec 21 12:50:55 2001 fBLIosW17616 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:50:54 -0600 (authenticated) Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:50:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Motor Speed for Leather Wheel Kyle, I've got two wheels, one spins at 1750, the other at 3300. Both workfine. In fact, the faster one seems smoother, but that probably has nothingto do with the speed. If you're really concerned, just use some pulleys to slow the speed. Of course if you want to do things the redneck (read "Harry's") way, youcan just hold the blade being sharpened with your hands. When it startsgetting warm, douse it in a conveniently placed dish of water. The mainreason for the slow speed is to prevent heat build up. Holding theblade by hand does a pretty fair job of the same thing. Harry PS - One more thing, make sure that lawn mower wheel is wider than aplane blade. Wheels work best when you can sharpen the entire blade withoutmoving back and forth. KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: List, I salvaged the pump motor off of a discarded dishwasher and would like touse it, and some other misc. parts, and transform them in to a Bride ofFranken Sharpener. I think this motor turns at 3600 rpm, is this too fast The strop is a lawn mower wheel with a 1/8" strip of leather glued to it, allmounted on some scrap lumber, and tool rest will be fashioned from morescrap wood. Thanks, Kyle -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Dec 21 12:53:59 2001 fBLIrwW17902 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:53:59 -0600 (authenticated) Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:53:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Classes Hi Dwight, Nice to "meet" you. I do teach some classes, but haven't done the"for pay" classes yet. I'll be teaching a class at the National RodmakersGuild Conclave in Nashville in early January. Or if you'd get your localFlyfishing club to pay my travel and hotel expense to Austin, I'd be gladto do a one-day workshop for you guys. Tell you what, let me check with the Rodmaker's email list and see ifI can find someone in your area who would be willing to give you a littleguidance. Best,Harry Can anyone help Dwight out???? DWIGHT SITTA wrote: Harry I live in San Marcos, Texas near Austin. I'm looking for classesto take in surrounding states. do you teach bamboo flyrod construction.Dwight Sittads16@swt.edu -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from harms1@pa.net Fri Dec 21 14:31:13 2001 fBLKVBW21287 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:31:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Jojo, "Morphing granular vortals?!?!" No shit, you do that for a living?Im ok with "seamless metrics" (having written some poetry in my day), but Ihaven't found a good vortal to morph in I don't know how long--must havebeen since the senior prom! It may be life, as you suggest, but it's only just BARELY English! cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... I'm sorry. I stand corrected. You know how it is when one is morphinggranular vortals all day, with an extended emphasis on synthesizing seamless metrics. Makes it extremely difficult to mesh impactful systems, not tomention engineer transparent synergies . . . but that's life, huh? M-D From: Peter Van Schaack The proper reference for a person who spends his time engrossed by thesesilicon based electronic marvels is a Computer Geek, or simply geek. A nerdhas a pocket protector and several pens, pencils protractors and shortrulers sticking out of a shirt pocket that's buttoned to the top and pantspulled up too high. Geek would have some sort of PDA for his PIM and ifreally geeky carries the latest and lightest laptop. Would wear some sort ofslogan T-shirt and pants baggy and too low. Something in that vintage of software would come on 5.25" floppy disk.Hence you would need to know if is a 360k or 1.2mb drive. I'll check in thedungeons of the school and see what I can find. Happy Holidays to all! Pete-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Gee, Tom. I don't know that you've gilded the lily by calling those whomight have helped you "nerds". You might have at least used the term"egg-heads". }B^)> M-D From: Jill and Tom Ausfeld To the nerds on the list:I'm looking for an old version of a 'C' programing software, somethinglike Borland Turbo C. I'll be programming in DOS and I figure theres got tobe old versions floating around out there not being used. If you can helpme, contact me off list. Sorry of the non-rodmaking content, but the end result will berodmaking related.... Thankstom from harms1@pa.net Fri Dec 21 14:39:56 2001 fBLKdtW21851 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:39:55 -0600 Subject: Re: Motor Speed for Leather Wheel In short, yes. 3,600 rpm is way, way too fast for either grinding orsharpening. You will want something closer to 900-1000 rpms, or even less.Put some step-pulleys on a mandrel and gear that motor down by at least3/4. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Motor Speed for Leather Wheel List, I salvaged the pump motor off of a discarded dishwasher and would like to use it, and some other misc. parts, and transform them in to a Bride ofFranken Sharpener. I think this motor turns at 3600 rpm, is this too fast The strop is a lawn mower wheel with a 1/8" strip of leather glued to it, all mounted on some scrap lumber, and tool rest will be fashioned from morescrap wood. Thanks, Kyle from KyleDruey@aol.com Fri Dec 21 15:50:38 2001 fBLLocW24348 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:50:38 -0600 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:50:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Motor Speed for Leather Wheel Bill, thanks... I'm going to try and slow it down some. Instead of pulleys and pillow blocks I think I'll use a ceiling fan motor speed controller you can buy at the hardware store. I think an infinite speed control is less than $10. One thing to keep in mind if you do this... the motor is cooled by a fan that is attached to the shaft. You will only be able to operate the motor slowed down with the fan speed controller for several minutes before it begins to overheat. The fan housing should not be so hot that you can't keep your hand on it. Thanks everyone for the advice. Kyle In a message dated 12/21/2001 12:40:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, harms1@pa.net writes: In short, yes. 3,600 rpm is way, way too fast for either grinding orsharpening. You will want something closer to 900-1000 rpms, or evenless.Put some step-pulleys on a mandrel and gear that motor down by at least 3/4. cheers, Bill----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:35 PMSubject: Motor Speed for Leather WheelList, I salvaged the pump motor off of a discarded dishwasher and would liketouse it, and some other misc. parts, and transform them in to a Bride ofFranken Sharpener. I think this motor turns at 3600 rpm, is this too fast The strop is a lawn mower wheel with a 1/8" strip of leather glued to it,all mounted on some scrap lumber, and tool rest will be fashioned frommorescrap wood. Thanks, Kyle ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:40:04 -0500 yc04.mx. Dec 2001 15:39:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: "WILLIAM HARMS" References: Subject: Re: Motor Speed for Leather WheelDate: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:38:11 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX- Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 from aport@si.rr.com Fri Dec 21 19:57:01 2001 fBM1v1W28023 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:57:01 -0600 Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:56:36 -0500 "Rodmakers discussion group" Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Okay guys,My Random House Dictionary of the English Language (Unabridged) goesdirectly from "vorspiel" to "vortex" (without stopping to pass "Go" andwithout collecting $200! I'll bite: whatthehellsavortal?Art from jojo@ipa.net Fri Dec 21 20:16:10 2001 fBM2GAW28429 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:16:10 -0600 helo=default) id 16Hbhn-00062J-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:16:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... ROFLMAO! Well, I certainly meant it as thoroughly fabricated bovine feces,however the true definition is as follows: Vertical Industry Portal (Vortal) is a portal Web site that providesinformation and resources for a particular industry.Vortals are the Internet's way of catering to consumers' focused- environmentpreferences. Vortals typically provide news, research and statistics, discussions,newsletters, online tools, and many other services that educateusers about a specific industry. As the Web becomes a standard tool for business, vortals will join andmaybe replace general portal sites like AOL and Yahoo! as commongateways to the Internet. And, I wouldn't know a vortal from a portal. I's just making stuff up!!! ;o) M-D Okay guys,My Random House Dictionary of the English Language (Unabridged) goesdirectly from "vorspiel" to "vortex" (without stopping to pass "Go" andwithout collecting $200! I'll bite: whatthehellsavortal?Art from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Fri Dec 21 21:06:05 2001 fBM364W29135 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:06:04 -0600 Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... Yeah right! You expect me to believe that you dont' understand all that,you're a nerd... plain as day. Actually, looking at it from the outside, if I told you about a person whotook a stalk of grass, split it small pieces, made it in equilateraltriangles to dimensions within one one- thousanths of an inch, carefullycooked it, paying more attention to the time and temp than the thanksgivingturkey. Glue it all together, carefully heated sections to make it deadstraight, carefully finished it looked like it was glass, wrapped it withthe finest silk, all that send a fly into the tree across the stream. I think there is a certain nerd(geek) quality to that, like it or not! tom----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... ROFLMAO! Well, I certainly meant it as thoroughly fabricated bovine feces,however the true definition is as follows: Vertical Industry Portal (Vortal) is a portal Web site that providesinformation and resources for a particular industry.Vortals are the Internet's way of catering to consumers' focused-environment preferences. Vortals typically provide news, research and statistics, discussions,newsletters, online tools, and many other services that educateusers about a specific industry. As the Web becomes a standard tool for business, vortals will join andmaybe replace general portal sites like AOL and Yahoo! as commongateways to the Internet. And, I wouldn't know a vortal from a portal. I's just making stuff up!!! ;o) M-D From: "arthur port" Okay guys,My Random House Dictionary of the English Language (Unabridged) goesdirectly from "vorspiel" to "vortex" (without stopping to pass "Go" andwithout collecting $200! I'll bite: whatthehellsavortal?Art from jojo@ipa.net Fri Dec 21 21:18:30 2001 fBM3IUW29458 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:18:30 -0600 helo=default) id 16Hcg4-0001m3-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:18:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... LMAO. Oh my. I think I'm more of a pseudo-nerd. And,well, there iscertainly a meshing of integrated eyeballs and a maximization of synergisticarchitectures, but I don't think there's an innovation of extensiblecommunities, nor an extension of distributed schemas. I do, however,strongly suggest the cultivation of dynamic schemas (non- portative) and theengineering of viral paradigms (load free). You'll feel much better if youdo, and you won't have to expedite any of the ubiquitous methodologies,either. Don't you think? M-D Yeah right! You expect me to believe that you dont' understand all that,you're a nerd... plain as day. Actually, looking at it from the outside, if I told you about a person whotook a stalk of grass, split it small pieces, made it in equilateraltriangles to dimensions within one one- thousanths of an inch, carefullycooked it, paying more attention to the time and temp than the thanksgiving turkey. Glue it all together, carefully heated sections to make it deadstraight, carefully finished it looked like it was glass, wrapped it withthe finest silk, all that send a fly into the tree across the stream. I think there is a certain nerd(geek) quality to that, like it or not! tom----- Original Message -----From: Jojo DeLancier Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 9:13 PMSubject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... ROFLMAO! Well, I certainly meant it as thoroughly fabricated bovine feces, however the true definition is as follows: Vertical Industry Portal (Vortal) is a portal Web site that providesinformation and resources for a particular industry.Vortals are the Internet's way of catering to consumers' focused-environment preferences. Vortals typically provide news, research and statistics, discussions, newsletters, online tools, and many other services that educateusers about a specific industry. As the Web becomes a standard tool for business, vortals will join and maybe replace general portal sites like AOL and Yahoo! as commongateways to the Internet. And, I wouldn't know a vortal from a portal. I's just making stuff up!!! ;o) M-D From: "arthur port" Okay guys,My Random House Dictionary of the English Language (Unabridged) goes directly from "vorspiel" to "vortex" (without stopping to pass "Go" and without collecting $200! I'll bite: whatthehellsavortal?Art from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Fri Dec 21 22:09:22 2001 fBM49MW00095 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:09:22 -0600 0000 sender ) Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... My sentiments exactly! also my final word on it for those who are growing weary of this nonrodmaking thread. Which reminds me, Mike Biondo should come up with a post ratingquotient(PRQ). Each post will be rated on intelligence, rodmaking content,wit, politeness. Say on a 1-10 scale. For example, M-D's reply below wouldrecieve a PRQ of 0.5, it should get a zero but I didn't understand most ofit and there might be some rod making stuff I just missed. Weekly you get a average score, if it drops below a threshold of say 5, thelist processor has a right to bump you from the list. Come to think of it,alot of people have been getting bumped lately, Mike have already thought ofthis. Seeing I was one of the ones bumped, I better come up with some goodposts soon, else I'm gone. self score of this post, PRQ = 0t ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... LMAO. Oh my. I think I'm more of a pseudo-nerd. And,well, there iscertainly a meshing of integrated eyeballs and a maximization of synergistic architectures, but I don't think there's an innovation of extensiblecommunities, nor an extension of distributed schemas. I do, however,strongly suggest the cultivation of dynamic schemas (non- portative) and the engineering of viral paradigms (load free). You'll feel much better if youdo, and you won't have to expedite any of the ubiquitous methodologies,either. Don't you think? M-D From: "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" Yeah right! You expect me to believe that you dont' understand all that,you're a nerd... plain as day. Actually, looking at it from the outside, if I told you about a person who took a stalk of grass, split it small pieces, made it in equilateraltriangles to dimensions within one one-thousanths of an inch, carefullycooked it, paying more attention to the time and temp than the thanksgiving turkey. Glue it all together, carefully heated sections to make it deadstraight, carefully finished it looked like it was glass, wrapped it with the finest silk, all that send a fly into the tree across the stream. I think there is a certain nerd(geek) quality to that, like it or not! tom----- Original Message -----From: Jojo DeLancier Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 9:13 PMSubject: Re: Looking for 'C' programming software.... ROFLMAO! Well, I certainly meant it as thoroughly fabricated bovine feces, however the true definition is as follows: Vertical Industry Portal (Vortal) is a portal Web site that provides information and resources for a particular industry. Vortals are the Internet's way of catering to consumers' focused-environment preferences. Vortals typically provide news, research and statistics, discussions, newsletters, online tools, and many other services that educate users about a specific industry. As the Web becomes a standard tool for business, vortals will join and maybe replace general portal sites like AOL and Yahoo! as commongateways to the Internet. And, I wouldn't know a vortal from a portal. I's just making stuff up!!! ;o) M-D From: "arthur port" Okay guys,My Random House Dictionary of the English Language (Unabridged) goes directly from "vorspiel" to "vortex" (without stopping to pass "Go" and without collecting $200! I'll bite: whatthehellsavortal?Art from DNHayashida@aol.com Fri Dec 21 23:52:48 2001 fBM5qlW01418 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:52:47 -0600 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:52:38 - Subject: Making a 9 1/2 plane better After a lot of playing around with bench planes, I came to the conclusion Tony Young had been saying for years. What makes a bench plane better for rodmaking is the chip breaker. It is also the angle of the blade to a lesser degree but a couple of years ago I tried beveling my blades to various angles, all the way up to 45 deg. and with the blade held in the plane at 20 deg. that made an angle of attack of 65 deg. It did lessen the lifts and chips, but they still happened regularly. To prove this to myself, I set a bench plane up without a chipbreaker - it began chipping at the nodes, I then bought a piece of 18 gauge brass sheet. Brass because it is easy to shape, cut, in general to work on. I cut out a piece using the blade as a template (don't forget to cut out the center slot), and curved the edge end in a semi arc by hammering it on a pipe. Using a file and a sharpening stone to make sure the edge is straight across and contacts the bevel all the way across, and getting it to stay in position by adjusting the set screw so that it would clamp the brass chipbreaker and the blade together, I had a reasonable chipbreaker for my 9 1/2. As with bench planes the leading edge of the chipbreaker should be about 1/16th or less from the edge of the blade. It takes a lot of fiddling to get the adjustment just right. I think it works quite well. The shavings are very tight curls, and I haven't got a lift yet - although I have only planed two strips. Brass isn't the best metal to use for a chipbreaker. I wonder if someone could make one out of steel for the 9 1/2......Darryl Hayashida Aftera lot of playing around with bench planes, I came to the conclusion TonyYoung had been saying for years. What makes a bench plane better forrodmaking is the chip breaker. It is also the angle of the blade to a lesserdegree but a couple of years ago I tried beveling my blades to various angles,all the way up to 45 deg. and with the blade held in the plane at 20 deg. thatmade an angle of attack of 65 deg. It did lessen the lifts and chips, but theystill happened regularly. To prove this to myself, I set a bench plane up without a chipbreaker - itbegan chipping at the nodes, I then bought a piece of 18 gauge brass sheet.Brass because it is easy to shape, cut, in general to work on. I cut out apiece using the blade as a template (don't forget to cut out the center slot),and curved the edge end in a semi arc by hammering it on a pipe. Using a fileand a sharpening stone to make sure the edge is straight across andcontacts the bevel all the way across, and getting it to stay in position byadjusting the set screw so that it would clamp the brass chipbreaker and theblade together, I had a reasonable chipbreaker for my 9 1/2. As with benchplanes the leading edge of the chipbreaker should be about 1/16th or less from the edge of the blade. It takes a lot of fiddling to get the adjustmentjust right. I think it works quite well. The shavings are very tight curls, and Ihaven't got a lift yet - although I have only planed two strips. Brass isn't the best metal to use for a chipbreaker. I wonder if someonecould make one out of steel for the 9 1/2......Darryl Hayashida from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Sat Dec 22 02:13:32 2001 fBM8DUW03077 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 02:13:30 - Subject: Re: Making a 9 1/2 plane better Darryl, So are you saying you used the blade bevel down in the block plane? Maybe the chipbreaker effect could be acheived in a block plane witha microbevel.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 DNHayashida@aol.com wrote: I had a reasonable chipbreaker for my 9 1/2. As with bench Darryl Hayashida from djk762@earthlink.net Sat Dec 22 09:57:20 2001 fBMFvJW07401 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:57:19 - helo=earthlink.net) id 16HoWU-0001nl-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:57:18 -0800 Subject: Tonkin/Calcutta Rodmakers- Tonkin- Pseudosasa amabilis (Arundinaria amabilis)Calcutta- Dendrocalamus strictus -David Kashuba. from geert.poorteman@undp.org Sat Dec 22 10:14:44 2001 fBMGEiW07770 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:14:44 -0600 fBMGEeA04162 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:14:43 -0500 Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:32:14 +0200 Subject: Re: Bamboo quality Geert Pooerteman a Äcrit: Hi All,I use a no-name-bamboo from the mountains here in Burundi, africa, and itmakesa good rod. I never casted a 'real' tonkin rod, but the rods I make look goodtome. A #4 rod casts a #4 line and a fast rod is fast. As said before, therearethousands of bamboo species and it would be surprising only one of them isperfect while the others are trash. I did the breaking test I sawsomewhere, andit breaks with brushlike long splinters. Lots of long powerfibers. Thedisadvantage is thet the nodes are quite big. That's why I build nodeless.Thedistance between nodes sometimes exceeds 2 feet, making the nodelessprocess abit faster. First rod I made was nodeless, meaning I made a 6'6" threepiece rodwith internodal strips. That was really nodeless.... And another advantageisthat I buy a 4 yard culm for 0.25 US$...Geert WILLIAM HARMS a Äcrit: Tony, It is really interesting to read some of the old authors on rod-making, likePerry Frazer (in 1908) or George Parker Holden (in 1920). They offer arareglimpse into the early days, shortly after "Tonkin" cane became availablein1897. Even Holden remains on the skeptical side of using Tonkin cane asasubstitute for really good Calcutta. "Calcutta" cane had been used in England and America for more than acenturyprior to this, but not until Samuel Phillippe (in 1863) was a six-strip flyrod built entirely of cane--both butt and tip. Previously, the buttsections had always been built from any of a dozen different woods,whilethe tips, although usually cane, were built in three or four strips and thenrounded-off. Calcutta cane was surely the preferred material until the early part ofthe20th century (after Demarest began to import Tonkin). Of course,those werealso the days of the wet fly, with rod lengths well in excess of 9 1/2feet.The limber flexing of Calcutta was just fine for those purposes. AfterGordon and La Branche, when attention turned to fishing the dry-fly, oneneeded shorter, lighter and faster rods, and the newly available Tonkincane, was perfect. Even so, many makers continued to use the Calcutta,presumably because they thought it to be more "traditional," or becausethey MEANT to be making wet-fly rods, or because they thought it to bemoreattractive (with its slashing burn-marks), or because it was cheaper, orbecause it was easier to plane, or... . But Calcutta is not a species, it is only the name of the city from whichany number of species of Indian cane was shipped to the Western World. Forthat matter, "Tonkin" is not a species either, but is just a trade- nameassigned (inaccurately, at that) to the general region of China where it isgrown. Tonkin cane does not come from Tonkin at all (although, to maketheconcession, it could be said that it sort of comes out of the Gulf ofTonkin). Tonkin cane was first "discovered" for the Western World in 1897 byCharlesDemarest. The cane was found in Hong Kong, already harvested. Shipmentsbegan at once and continued, but it was not until 1925 that F.A. McClurelocated the actual growing area and assigned a scientific name to thespecies. Luis Marden's recent book, "Angler's Bamboo" gives a pretty completepicture of much of this, including some useful observations on thedifferences between Calcutta and Tonkin canes. Interesting stuff, in all. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Miller" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:03 PMSubject: Bamboo quality I just did a favor for a friend .He wanted me to line his new bar with Bamboo culms.It looked very good when we finished.But we used an inexpensive bamboo and I got my first look at what thedifference betweenTonkin and Calcutta Bamboo was. Way less power fibers and thethickness wasvery thin compared to Tonkin.(even on the Butt section) I was a littlesurprised though. I didn't really think that the difference would have beenso great because I'm under the understanding that Calcutta was used inthemaking of some older trade rods. There is a definite advantage to theTonkinwe rod makers use. I guess I just never really compared.I took it for granted ,but always wondered. Has anyone made any rodsfromCalcutta?Tony Miller www.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.htmlwww.homestead.com/bambooovens/home.html from DNHayashida@aol.com Sat Dec 22 11:24:01 2001 fBMHO1W08681 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:24:01 - for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:23:54 - Subject: Re: Making a 9 1/2 plane better No, the brass chipbreaker (on top of the blade) had to curve enough to contact the bevel - bevel still on top.Darryl In a message dated 12/22/01 12:13:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, stetzer@csd.uwm.edu writes: So are you saying you used the blade bevel down in the block plane? Maybe the chipbreaker effect could be acheived in a block plane witha microbevel. No,the brass chipbreaker (on top of the blade) had to curve enough to contactthe bevel - bevel still on top.Darryl In a message dated 12/22/01 12:13:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,stetzer@csd.uwm.edu writes: So are you saying youused the blade bevel down in the block plane? Maybe the chipbreaker effect could be acheived in a block plane witha microbevel. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Dec 22 11:25:30 2001 fBMHPSW08860 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:25:28 - Subject: Re: Making a 9 1/2 plane better The problem with increasing the angle of the iron to reduce tear out is the angle has to become greater that is preferred because you're thenpresented with excessive sharpening and even if the edge is sharp you're still pushing an iron with excessive resistance. breaker you have an easier angle of attack on the edge of the iron while the chip breaker angle makes the combination of the two parts much more steep than the iron would be alone.The chip breaker breaks the bamboo entering the mouth causing it to curl and not split forward under the sole which is what you're wanting to achieve in the block plane by increasing the angle the iron is planed to (ie. very steep). The steep angle is needed because if the cut is too acute splitting will occur along under the sole because of the leverage coming from the cutting edge of the iron.Breaking the chip (actually it's prob more accurate to call the chip a sliver at this stage) as soon as possible after it's been planed is what allows the strip to be planed without tear out. If the angle is too acute the sliver will go a long way before it's broken and it's worse if the throat of the plane is too wide also, you can't make the sliver too short except it's impossible to plane without a sliver of some length Using a iron/chip breaker combination you use a much less sever angle for the iron edge hence easier planing simply because the iron is cutting more like a chisel than it is bull dozing it with a higher angle and working in unison with the chip breaker the steeper angle is achieved .Block planes are the plane of choice only because they are available and fit the bill in most cases and plenty of pretty nice rods have been used with them, they still aren't the best for the job though Tony At 02:13 AM 12/22/01 -0600, Frank Stetzer wrote: Darryl, So are you saying you used the blade bevel down in the block plane? Maybe the chipbreaker effect could be acheived in a block plane witha microbevel.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and aEmployed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 DNHayashida@aol.com wrote: I had a reasonable chipbreaker for my 9 1/2. As with bench Darryl Hayashida /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from DNHayashida@aol.com Sat Dec 22 11:31:43 2001 fBMHVgW09207 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:31:42 - for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:31:32 - Subject: Re: Making a 9 1/2 plane better This is true, when I tried my block plane with the blade sharpened at 45 deg the effort to push the plane increased by a lot.Darryl In a message dated 12/22/01 9:25:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: The problem with increasing the angle of the iron to reduce tear out is the angle has to become greater that is preferred because you're thenpresented with excessive sharpening and even if the edge is sharp you're still pushing an iron with excessive resistance. Thisis true, when I tried my block plane with the blade sharpened at 45 deg theeffort to push the plane increased by a lot.Darryl In a message dated 12/22/01 9:25:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: The problem withincreasing the angle of the iron to reduce tear out is the angle has to become greater that is preferred because you're thenpresented with excessive sharpening and even if the edge is sharp you're still pushing an iron with excessive resistance. from mmihalas@mindspring.com Sat Dec 22 12:05:42 2001 fBMI5gW09792 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:05:42 - helo=smaug) id 16HqWi-00036r-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:05:40 -0500 Subject: Pearsall's Silk Quick question. Can I wrap a rod with only one spool of Pearsall's Gossamer?It is a 7' 2/2. I plan on wrapping the ferrule tabs with it as well. Thespool says 45 yards - it sounds like it would be enough but I want to besure! Thanks, Mike Mihalas from mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com Sat Dec 22 12:31:06 2001 fBMIV5W10364 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:31:05 - Subject: Re: Pearsall's Silk Yes, you can, but don't be wasteful!!! John K----- Original Message ----- Subject: Pearsall's Silk Quick question. Can I wrap a rod with only one spool of Pearsall's Gossamer? It is a 7' 2/2. I plan on wrapping the ferrule tabs with it as well. Thespool says 45 yards - it sounds like it would be enough but I want to besure! Thanks, Mike Mihalas from harms1@pa.net Sat Dec 22 13:41:35 2001 fBMJfYW11233 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:41:34 - Subject: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta It is questionable that Arundinaria is part of the Pseudosasa family, =and while "Calcutta" cane had always been assumed to be Dendrocalamus =strictus, it turns out that the Calcutta used by rod-makers was actually =Gigantochloa macrostachya. cheers, Bill Subject: Tonkin/Calcutta Rodmakers- Tonkin- Pseudosasa amabilis (Arundinaria amabilis)Calcutta- Dendrocalamus strictus -David Kashuba. It is questionable= Arundinaria is part of the Pseudosasa family, and while "Calcutta" = always been assumed to be Dendrocalamus strictus, it turns out= macrostachya. cheers, =Bill ----- Original = From: "DavidKashuba" = Sent: Saturday,= 9:56 AM Tonkin/Calcutta from jojo@ipa.net Sat Dec 22 14:02:39 2001 fBMK2cW11880 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:02:38 -0600 helo=default) id 16HsLs-0002E6-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:02:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta Somewhere on the Web, and don't ask me where, I read that the family (or =is it genus?) had been changed from Arundinaria to Pseudososa, and that =this just occurred a few years ago. Anyone else know anything about =this? M-D Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:39 PMSubject: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta It is questionable that Arundinaria is part of the Pseudosasa family, =and while "Calcutta" cane had always been assumed to be Dendrocalamus =strictus, it turns out that the Calcutta used by rod-makers was actually =Gigantochloa macrostachya. cheers, Bill From: "David Kashuba" Subject: Tonkin/Calcutta Rodmakers- Tonkin- Pseudosasa amabilis (Arundinaria amabilis)Calcutta- Dendrocalamus strictus -David Kashuba. Somewhere on theWeb, and = ago. Anyone else know anything about this? M-D ----- Original Message ----- WILLIAM =HARMS Sent: Saturday, December 22, = PMSubject: Re: =Tonkin/Calcutta It is questionable= turns out that the Calcutta used by rod-makers was actually = macrostachya. cheers, =Bill ----- Original = From: "David = Sent: Saturday,= 2001 9:56 AM Tonkin/Calcutta from wkifer@harborside.com Sat Dec 22 14:26:17 2001 fBMKQHW12300 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:26:17 - 0000 Subject: Fwd: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta --=======93354F3======= format=flowed If antone knows, these guys should. www.americanbamboo.org/About.html Wayne Somewhere on the Web, and don't ask me where, I read that the family (or is it genus?) had been changed from Arundinaria to Pseudososa, and that this just occurred a few years ago. Anyone else know anything about this? M-D --=======93354F3=======-- from jojo@ipa.net Sat Dec 22 14:43:53 2001 fBMKhrW12771 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:43:53 - helo=default) id 16Hszj-00062w-00 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:43:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta Nah, they can't make up their minds either. Apparently both are acceptednames for Tonkin, with no one much agreeing on the proper taxonomy. Damn,you'd think they were a bunch of rodmakers, or something. M-D If antone knows, these guys should. www.americanbamboo.org/About.html Wayne Somewhere on the Web, and don't ask me where, I read that the family(oris it genus?) had been changed from Arundinaria to Pseudososa, and thatthis just occurred a few years ago. Anyone else know anything aboutthis? M-D from dnorl@qwest.net Sat Dec 22 17:30:33 2001 fBMNUWW14775 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:30:32 -0600 0000 (63.228.46.121) Subject: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta Does the bamboo know who they are?-----Original Message-----From: Jojo DeLancier Subject: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta Somewhere on the Web, and don't ask me where, I read that the family = (or is it genus?) had been changed from Arundinaria to Pseudososa, and =that this just occurred a few years ago. Anyone else know anything about =this? M-D Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:39 PMSubject: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta It is questionable that Arundinaria is part of the Pseudosasa =family, and while "Calcutta" cane had always been assumed to be =Dendrocalamus strictus, it turns out that the Calcutta used by =rod-makers was actually Gigantochloa macrostachya. cheers, Bill From: "David Kashuba" Subject: Tonkin/Calcutta Rodmakers- Tonkin- Pseudosasa amabilis (Arundinaria amabilis)Calcutta- Dendrocalamus strictus -David Kashuba. Does the bamboo know who they =are? -----Original = Tonkin/CalcuttaSomewhere on theWeb, = this? M-D ----- Original Message ----- = WILLIAM = Sent: Saturday, December = 1:39 PMSubject: Re: =Tonkin/Calcutta It is = Dendrocalamus strictus, it turns out that the Calcutta = macrostachya. Bill ----- = ----- From: = Sent: = 22, 2001 9:56 AM Tonkin/Calcutta from jojo@ipa.net Sat Dec 22 17:47:20 2001 fBMNlJW15277 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:47:19 -0600 helo=default) id 16HvrJ-0003Cx-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:47:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta There is a secret strain of bamboo, the Babas, to whom this knowledge, theFosho, has been passed from generation to generation. The rest of thebambooconstantly argues about who they are, where they came from, the purity oftheir genetics, etc. As you might imagine this has caused many wars overtheyears. The secret strain could tell them all the truth, save untoldcountless culms, and end the hostilities forever, but they won't do it. Theyare too smug, having only their secret knowledge to set them apart from theother bamboo, giving them a special place in all the world. Thus, only theBabas know Fosho. The Shadow knows, too. M-D Does the bamboo know who they are? From: Jojo DeLancier Nah, they can't make up their minds either. Apparently both are acceptednames for Tonkin, with no one much agreeing on the proper taxonomy.Damn,you'd think they were a bunch of rodmakers, or something. M-D From: "W Kifer" If antone knows, these guys should. www.americanbamboo.org/About.html Wayne Somewhere on the Web, and don't ask me where, I read that the family (or is it genus?) had been changed from Arundinaria to Pseudososa, and that this just occurred a few years ago. Anyone else know anything about this? M-D from jojo@ipa.net Sat Dec 22 18:26:41 2001 fBN0QeW15959 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:26:40 -0600 helo=default) id 16HwTN-0006YQ-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:26:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta I soon realized that I had left out an important part of this story. Followsis the corrected version. Sorry for the confusion. There is a secret strain of bamboo, the Baba, to whom this knowledge, theFosho, has been passed from generation to generation. The rest of thebambooconstantly argues about who they are, where they came from, the purity oftheir genetics, etc. As you might imagine this has caused many wars overtheyears. The secret strain could tell them all the truth, save untoldcountless culms, and end the hostilities forever, but they won't do it. Theyare too smug, having only their secret knowledge to set them apart from theother bamboo, giving them a special place in all the world. What I forgot tomention is that there is a prince in China who owns all the Baba, thus, onlyhis Baba knows Fosho. M-D From: "Dave Norling" Does the bamboo know who they are? From: Jojo DeLancier Nah, they can't make up their minds either. Apparently both are accepted names for Tonkin, with no one much agreeing on the proper taxonomy. Damn, you'd think they were a bunch of rodmakers, or something. M-D From: "W Kifer" If antone knows, these guys should. www.americanbamboo.org/About.html Wayne Somewhere on the Web, and don't ask me where, I read that thefamily (or is it genus?) had been changed from Arundinaria to Pseudososa, and that this just occurred a few years ago. Anyone else know anything about this? M-D from shane_person@telus.net Sat Dec 22 18:30:12 2001 fBN0UBW16230 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:30:11 -0600 (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:30:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Tonkin/Calcutta Ah, so. Shane Jojo DeLancier wrote: I soon realized that I had left out an important part of this story. Followsis the corrected version. Sorry for the confusion. There is a secret strain of bamboo, the Baba, to whom this knowledge, theFosho, has been passed from generation to generation. The rest of thebambooconstantly argues about who they are, where they came from, the purityoftheir genetics, etc. As you might imagine this has caused many wars overtheyears. The secret strain could tell them all the truth, save untoldcountless culms, and end the hostilities forever, but they won't do it. Theyare too smug, having only their secret knowledge to set them apart fromtheother bamboo, giving them a special place in all the world. What I forgot tomention is that there is a prince in China who owns all the Baba, thus, onlyhis Baba knows Fosho. M-D From: "Dave Norling" Does the bamboo know who they are? From: Jojo DeLancier Nah, they can't make up their minds either. Apparently both are accepted names for Tonkin, with no one much agreeing on the propertaxonomy. Damn, you'd think they were a bunch of rodmakers, or something. M-D From: "W Kifer" If antone knows, these guys should. www.americanbamboo.org/About.html Wayne Somewhere on the Web, and don't ask me where, I read that thefamily (or is it genus?) had been changed from Arundinaria to Pseudososa,and that this just occurred a few years ago. Anyone else know anythingabout this? M-D from rmcelvain@uswest.net Sat Dec 22 18:57:33 2001 fBN0vWW16718 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:57:32 -0600 (63.230.6.201) Subject: Fwd: The Spirt of the Season from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 19:56:57 2001 fBN1uuW17531 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:56:56 - 22 Dec 2001 17:56:52 PST Subject: Clear Cane I was just going through my collection of half culmsthinking that I might want to make a blond rod. Then,what to my wondering eyes should appear, but not a oneis suitable for a blond rod, or so it would seem. Areblond rods even made anymore? If they are where areyou guys getting cane clear enough to make one? Thanks,Bill Walters __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sat Dec 22 21:18:41 2001 fBN3IeW18571 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 21:18:40 - (authenticated) Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:18:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Clear Cane Bill, I choose the clearest culms in my collection, thensplit judiciously. I often split the tips to more than 24strips per culm. Butts are usually split to 18 - 24strips. Then I choose the 12 best tip strips, and the 6 bestbutt strips. Butt strips are the biggest worry. In buttstrips there's much more cane to show the watermarks, andon those butts the marks stick out like a sore thumb.Tips are small enough that a small cosmetic blemish isn'tso obvious. Harry Bill Walters wrote: I was just going through my collection of half culmsthinking that I might want to make a blond rod. Then,what to my wondering eyes should appear, but not a oneis suitable for a blond rod, or so it would seem. Areblond rods even made anymore? If they are where areyou guys getting cane clear enough to make one? Thanks,Bill Walters __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from stoltz10@attbi.com Sat Dec 22 21:56:07 2001 fBN3u6W19129 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 21:56:06 - Subject: Re: Clear Cane I new but it seems to me that some water marks would add interestingcharacter to a blonde rod. from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Dec 23 01:14:04 2001 fBN7E3W21136 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:14:03 - fBN7Dwo58652 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:13:59 Subject: Making block planes work better It has just been brought home to me this afternoon that just because alesson happens to be one that you have learned many times before doesn'tmean that it's not still worth learning. Here is my best piece of advice, my very best.... When you are having trouble with a strip, any kind of trouble at all, andit's not doing what you want it to do nor going the way that you want it togo, STOP. Take the blade out of your block plane, and no matter whether you have justsharpened the bloody thing six passes ago, SHARPEN IT . Take your time. Doit properly. I am talking mirror surfaces here! Then go back to your problem strip, and if you are like me, you will findthat about nine times out of ten the problem has gone away. Cane gremlins are frightened of sharp edges; either that or they have somedoubts about the stability and safety of the kind of people who sharpen themthat obsessively. And maybe, just maybe, the time it takes to resharpen might give you alittle breather in which to think about why the glitch happened in the firstplace, to have a cup of tea, let the dog out for a pee, say hello to yourwife, and generally defragment the old disc (the grey, floppy one beneathyour hat, that is). I don't have any idea what you do if you are not a handplaner. I guess thatyou never have problem strips in the first place, maybe. ---------- If you believe in God, Happy Christmas, with all that that implies; if youbelieve in God but call Him by a different name, may His spirit be with youin whatever way you desire; if you do not believe in God, may you have peaceand happiness in your life. Peter from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Dec 23 01:24:18 2001 fBN7OGW21451 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:24:16 - fBN7O9Q59437; Subject: Re: Clear Cane Nah! They just add blotches! Peter from sats@gte.net Sun Dec 23 06:44:12 2001 fBNCiBW23476 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 06:44:11 - ; id fBNChvP21405 tightloop@webtv.net,Don Burns , Don Phillips,guy3691@AOL.COM, JHickey@AOL.COM, twinpinesrods@mindspring.com,lcclower@airmail.net, flytying@zianet.com,NORMAN CRISP ,Snuggs Brown , stmbtinn@rosenet.net,stugile2@juno.comSubject: A Christmas Card Tight Lines to all of you in the coming year! http://home1.gte.net/sats/christmas.html----------------------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sun Dec 23 11:02:14 2001 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) fBNH2EW26458 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 11:02:14 -0600 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 11:02:12 -0600 Subject: RE: Bamboo quality fBNH2EW26459 Geert - If you have a digital camera, I'd love to see a photo of the cut end of aculm or part of one, perhaps with the end wetted to make the fiberstructurevisible. I know people are against attachments, but this wouldn't be verylarge, or maybe you could just send it directly. Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Bamboo quality Geert Pooerteman a Äcrit: Hi All,I use a no-name-bamboo from the mountains here in Burundi, africa, and it makes a good rod. I never casted a 'real' tonkin rod, but the rods I make look good to me. A #4 rod casts a #4 line and a fast rod is fast. As said before, there are thousands of bamboo species and it would be surprising only one of them isperfect while the others are trash. I did the breaking test I saw somewhere, and it breaks with brushlike long splinters. Lots of long powerfibers. Thedisadvantage is thet the nodes are quite big. That's why I build nodeless. The distance between nodes sometimes exceeds 2 feet, making the nodeless process a bit faster. First rod I made was nodeless, meaning I made a 6'6" three piece rod with internodal strips. That was really nodeless.... And another advantage is that I buy a 4 yard culm for 0.25 US$...Geert WILLIAM HARMS a Äcrit: Tony, It is really interesting to read some of the old authors on rod-making, like Perry Frazer (in 1908) or George Parker Holden (in 1920). They offer a rare glimpse into the early days, shortly after "Tonkin" cane became available in 1897. Even Holden remains on the skeptical side of using Tonkin cane as a substitute for really good Calcutta. "Calcutta" cane had been used in England and America for more than a century prior to this, but not until Samuel Phillippe (in 1863) was a six-strip fly rod built entirely of cane--both butt and tip. Previously, the buttsections had always been built from any of a dozen different woods, while the tips, although usually cane, were built in three or four strips and then rounded-off. Calcutta cane was surely the preferred material until the early part of the 20th century (after Demarest began to import Tonkin). Of course,those were also the days of the wet fly, with rod lengths well in excess of 9 1/2 feet. The limber flexing of Calcutta was just fine for those purposes. AfterGordon and La Branche, when attention turned to fishing the dry-fly, oneneeded shorter, lighter and faster rods, and the newly available Tonkincane, was perfect. Even so, many makers continued to use the Calcutta,presumably because they thought it to be more "traditional," or becausethey MEANT to be making wet-fly rods, or because they thought it to be more attractive (with its slashing burn-marks), or because it was cheaper, orbecause it was easier to plane, or... . But Calcutta is not a species, it is only the name of the city from which any number of species of Indian cane was shipped to the Western World. For that matter, "Tonkin" is not a species either, but is just a trade- nameassigned (inaccurately, at that) to the general region of China where it is grown. Tonkin cane does not come from Tonkin at all (although, to make the concession, it could be said that it sort of comes out of the Gulf ofTonkin). Tonkin cane was first "discovered" for the Western World in 1897 by Charles Demarest. The cane was found in Hong Kong, already harvested. Shipments began at once and continued, but it was not until 1925 that F.A. McClurelocated the actual growing area and assigned a scientific name to thespecies. Luis Marden's recent book, "Angler's Bamboo" gives a pretty completepicture of much of this, including some useful observations on thedifferences between Calcutta and Tonkin canes. Interesting stuff, in all. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Miller" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:03 PMSubject: Bamboo quality I just did a favor for a friend .He wanted me to line his new bar with Bamboo culms.It looked very good when we finished.But we used an inexpensive bamboo and I got my first look at what thedifference betweenTonkin and Calcutta Bamboo was. Way less power fibers and thethickness was very thin compared to Tonkin.(even on the Butt section) I was a littlesurprised though. I didn't really think that the difference would have been so great because I'm under the understanding that Calcutta was used in the making of some older trade rods. There is a definite advantage to the Tonkin we rod makers use. I guess I just never really compared.I took it for granted ,but always wondered. Has anyone made any rods from Calcutta?Tony Miller www.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.htmlwww.homestead.com/bambooovens/home.html from bob@downandacross.com Sun Dec 23 13:12:43 2001 fBNJCgW27865 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:12:42 - 23 Dec 2001 14:12:28 -0500 Subject: test, please delete from caneman@clnk.com Sun Dec 23 13:31:31 2001 fBNJVUW28455 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:31:31 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: test, please delete Bob,The list is up, but I just think everyone is doing their last minuteshopping! I know that's where I've been; fighting the hoards in the mall,racing down aisles against young mothers, elbows flying mercilessly insearch of the last Pokemon action figure in existance, knocking old ladiesoff of their walkers to get to the last Digimon Game on the shelf, kickinggrandmothers in the shin as they reach for the only Harry Potter Lego set inthe store!!! What a joyous season!!! Merry Christmas,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: test, please delete from martinrjensen@attbi.com Sun Dec 23 13:47:03 2001 fBNJl2W28884 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:47:02 -0600 ;Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:46:56 +0000 "'Rodmakers discussion group'" Subject: RE: Bamboo quality Organization: wish I had some fBNJl2W28885 This is to Geert,I can handle large attachments, so if you are able to send one to Barry,I would appreciate seeing it also if possible. Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Bamboo quality Geert - If you have a digital camera, I'd love to see a photo of the cut end ofa culm or part of one, perhaps with the end wetted to make the fiberstructure visible. I know people are against attachments, but thiswouldn't be very large, or maybe you could just send it directly. Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Bamboo quality Geert Pooerteman a Äcrit: Hi All,I use a no-name-bamboo from the mountains here in Burundi, africa, and it makes a good rod. I never casted a 'real' tonkin rod, but the rods I make look good to me. A #4 rod casts a #4 line and a fast rod is fast. As said before, there are thousands of bamboo species and it would be surprising only one of them is perfect while the others are trash. I did the breaking test I saw somewhere, and it breaks with brushlike long splinters. Lots of long powerfibers. The disadvantage is thet the nodes are quite big. That's why I build nodeless. The distance between nodes sometimes exceeds 2 feet, making the nodeless process a bit faster. First rod I made was nodeless, meaning I made a 6'6" three piece rod with internodal strips. That was really nodeless.... And another advantage is that I buy a 4 yard culm for 0.25 US$...Geert WILLIAM HARMS a Äcrit: Tony, It is really interesting to read some of the old authors on rod-making, like Perry Frazer (in 1908) or George Parker Holden (in 1920). They offer a rare glimpse into the early days, shortly after "Tonkin" cane became available in 1897. Even Holden remains on the skeptical side of using Tonkin cane as a substitute for really good Calcutta. "Calcutta" cane had been used in England and America for more than a century prior to this, but not until Samuel Phillippe (in 1863) was a six-strip fly rod built entirely of cane--both butt and tip. Previously, the butt sections had always been built from any of a dozen different woods, while the tips, although usually cane, were built in three or four strips and then rounded-off. Calcutta cane was surely the preferred material until the early part of the 20th century (after Demarest began to import Tonkin). Of course, those were also the days of the wet fly, with rod lengths well in excess of 9 1/2 feet. The limber flexing of Calcutta was just fine for those purposes. After Gordon and La Branche, when attention turned to fishing the dry-fly, one needed shorter, lighter and faster rods, and the newly available Tonkin cane, was perfect. Even so, many makers continued to use the Calcutta, presumably because they thought it to be more "traditional," or because they MEANT to be making wet-fly rods, or because they thought it to be more attractive (with its slashing burn-marks), or because it was cheaper, or because it was easier to plane, or... . But Calcutta is not a species, it is only the name of the city from which any number of species of Indian cane was shipped to the Western World. For that matter, "Tonkin" is not a species either, but is just a trade-name assigned (inaccurately, at that) to the general region of China where it is grown. Tonkin cane does not come from Tonkin at all (although, to make the concession, it could be said that it sort of comes out of the Gulf of Tonkin). Tonkin cane was first "discovered" for the Western World in 1897 by Charles Demarest. The cane was found in Hong Kong, already harvested. Shipments began at once and continued, but it was not until 1925 that F.A. McClure located the actual growing area and assigned a scientific name to the species. Luis Marden's recent book, "Angler's Bamboo" gives a pretty complete picture of much of this, including some useful observations on the differences between Calcutta and Tonkin canes. Interesting stuff, in all. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Miller" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:03 PMSubject: Bamboo quality I just did a favor for a friend .He wanted me to line his new bar with Bamboo culms.It looked very good when we finished.But we used an inexpensive bamboo and I got my first look at what the difference between Tonkin and Calcutta Bamboo was. Way less power fibers and the thickness was very thin compared to Tonkin.(even on the Butt section) I was a little surprised though. I didn't really think that the difference would have been so great because I'm under the understanding that Calcutta was used in the making of some older trade rods. There is a definite advantage to the Tonkin we rod makers use. I guess I just never really compared.I took it for granted ,but always wondered. Has anyone made any rods from Calcutta?Tony Miller www.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.htmlwww.homestead.com/bambooovens/home.html from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 14:17:58 2001 fBNKHvW29470 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:17:57 - 23 Dec 2001 12:17:53 PST Subject: Re: test, please delete the heelots will get you if you don't watch out! --- Bob Nunley wrote: Bob,The list is up, but I just think everyone isdoing their last minuteshopping! I know that's where I've been; fightingthe hoards in the mall,racing down aisles against young mothers, elbowsflying mercilessly insearch of the last Pokemon action figure inexistance, knocking old ladiesoff of their walkers to get to the last Digimon Gameon the shelf, kickinggrandmothers in the shin as they reach for the onlyHarry Potter Lego set inthe store!!! What a joyous season!!! Merry Christmas,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Bob Maulucci" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 1:12 PMSubject: test, please delete ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from boyko@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 23 14:35:22 2001 fBNKZLW29995 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:35:21 - 0800 -0800 Subject: wooden planning forms. Would some one who has built a set of wooden planning forms., please =e- mail me at boyko@peoplepc.com Would some one who has built a set of = planning forms., please e-mail me at boyko@peoplepc.com from harms1@pa.net Sun Dec 23 14:52:59 2001 fBNKqwW00502 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:52:58 - Subject: Re: Clear Cane All, I dunno, jeez! I always regarded bamboo as a natural material whose surfacewould would not be perfect. I don't mind little "blemishes" in colorationat all--any more than I do in natural woods. These little "blems" addcharacter and personality, in my view. Of course, it's true that somemarkings can be downright horrible in a blond rod, but otherwise I havealways thought the little watermarks and so forth are rather attractive. Inever look for perfectly clear cane. It's a matter of taste, to be sure, but just don't assume that in order fora blond rod to be "good," it must also be perfectly clear. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Clear Cane Bill, I choose the clearest culms in my collection, thensplit judiciously. I often split the tips to more than 24strips per culm. Butts are usually split to 18 - 24strips. Then I choose the 12 best tip strips, and the 6 bestbutt strips. Butt strips are the biggest worry. In buttstrips there's much more cane to show the watermarks, andon those butts the marks stick out like a sore thumb.Tips are small enough that a small cosmetic blemish isn'tso obvious. Harry Bill Walters wrote: I was just going through my collection of half culmsthinking that I might want to make a blond rod. Then,what to my wondering eyes should appear, but not a oneis suitable for a blond rod, or so it would seem. Areblond rods even made anymore? If they are where areyou guys getting cane clear enough to make one? Thanks,Bill Walters __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from channer@frontier.net Sun Dec 23 16:36:34 2001 fBNMaXW01945 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:36:33 - for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:53:00 - Subject: Re: Clear Cane The only 2 Leonard rods I have seen were both blond and both had morethan one water mark.FWIWjohn WILLIAM HARMS wrote: All, I dunno, jeez! I always regarded bamboo as a natural material whosesurfacewould would not be perfect. I don't mind little "blemishes" in colorationat all--any more than I do in natural woods. These little "blems" addcharacter and personality, in my view. Of course, it's true that somemarkings can be downright horrible in a blond rod, but otherwise I havealways thought the little watermarks and so forth are rather attractive. Inever look for perfectly clear cane. It's a matter of taste, to be sure, but just don't assume that in order fora blond rod to be "good," it must also be perfectly clear. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Cc: "rodmakers" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 10:15 PMSubject: Re: Clear Cane Bill, I choose the clearest culms in my collection, thensplit judiciously. I often split the tips to more than 24strips per culm. Butts are usually split to 18 - 24strips. Then I choose the 12 best tip strips, and the 6 bestbutt strips. Butt strips are the biggest worry. In buttstrips there's much more cane to show the watermarks, andon those butts the marks stick out like a sore thumb.Tips are small enough that a small cosmetic blemish isn'tso obvious. Harry Bill Walters wrote: I was just going through my collection of half culmsthinking that I might want to make a blond rod. Then,what to my wondering eyes should appear, but not a oneis suitable for a blond rod, or so it would seem. Areblond rods even made anymore? If they are where areyou guys getting cane clear enough to make one? Thanks,Bill Walters __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Dec 23 17:01:05 2001 fBNN14W02459 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:01:04 - fBNN11618671; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:01:01 -0600 Subject: Holiday Greetings I want to wish you all a Safe and Joyous HolidaySeason.May the coming year 2002 be a better year forworld peace and understanding.I have made a lot of friends on these lists andlooking forward to making more this coming year.Thank you all for the knowledge you have shared.Today is my 51st wedding anniversary, going for52.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Dec 23 17:35:31 2001 fBNNZUW03181 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:35:30 - (authenticated) for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:35:07 -0800 Subject: Getting personal at Christmas Friends, to you who are a big part of my life, many of whom I'venever met but still call friends. Some of my rod makingfriends have written asking when this year's message wascoming, so perhaps this is over due.Though I usually limit these little slips intoministerial mode, this year's happenings and horrors haveprompted me to "slip on the collar" several times. Most whodon't enjoy or appreciate these words are kind enough not tosay so. Thank you for your patience and indulgence. Four times in the events surrounding the birth of theChrist child, God sent the same message to the world throughhis heavenly heralds. That message wasn't "He shall save Hispeople from their sins," though that was an importantmessage. It wasn't even, "Glory to God in the highest, andon earth, peace on those upon whom his favor rests." Themessage God emphasized to those present at the birth ofJesus was "Fear not." "Fear not." That's a good message Can Christmas really make that much difference? Can thecoming of Christ to our world chase fear away not just fromour worlds but from our lives? Yes, with all that is in me,I believe it can. For to say "God is with us" is also tosay that "we are with God." Heaven abides in human hearts.Remember that Mary was instructed to call this babe:"Immanuel - God with us." As this calendar year draws to a close, the liturgicalyear is new and fresh as Spring. My wish for you all thisyear is more than tight lines, more than sharp planes, evenmore than health and happiness. My wish for you all is thatyou find a few moments on the stream or the lake, in themarsh or the surf, when you can truly "Fear not." My hopeis that you will find the God who is all around you. Myprayer is that you will find, or be found by that God who islooking for you, whatever name you choose to call him. Heoften looks out through the eyes of those whom we know andlove best, and I often see Him, and hear Him, and read ofHim, through you. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr. --Harry Boydhttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 17:37:49 2001 fBNNbmW03423 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:37:48 - Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:37:48 PST Subject: Re: Clear Cane I guess with all this feedback I'll have to reassess afew of my culms, might be able to make a blond rodafterall. Thanks for all the comments. Bill Walters --- channer wrote: The only 2 Leonard rods I have seen were both blondand both had morethan one water mark.FWIWjohn WILLIAM HARMS wrote: All, I dunno, jeez! I always regarded bamboo as a natural material whose surface would would not be perfect. I don't mind little "blemishes" in coloration at all--any more than I do in natural woods. These little "blems" add character and personality, in my view. Of course, it's true that some markings can be downright horrible in a blond rod, but otherwise I have always thought the little watermarks and so forth are rather attractive. I never look for perfectly clear cane. It's a matter of taste, to be sure, but just don't assume that in order for a blond rod to be "good," it must also be perfectly clear. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Cc: "rodmakers" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 10:15 PMSubject: Re: Clear Cane Bill, I choose the clearest culms in my collection, then split judiciously. I often split the tips to more than 24 strips per culm. Butts are usually split to 18 - 24 strips. Then I choose the 12 best tip strips, and the 6 best butt strips. Butt strips are the biggest worry. In butt strips there's much more cane to show the watermarks, and on those butts the marks stick out like a sore thumb. Tips are small enough that a small cosmetic blemish isn't so obvious. Harry Bill Walters wrote: I was just going through my collection of half culms thinking that I might want to make a blond rod. Then, what to my wondering eyes should appear, but not a one is suitable for a blond rod, or so it would seem. Are blond rods even made anymore? If they are where are you guys getting cane clear enough to make one? Thanks,Bill Walters __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from rvenneri@ulster.net Sun Dec 23 17:42:32 2001 fBNNgVW03695 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:42:31 - 0500 Organization: Venneri's Custom Components Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas Harry Boyd wrote: Friends, to you who are a big part of my life, many of whom I'venever met but still call friends. Some of my rod makingfriends have written asking when this year's message wascoming, so perhaps this is over due.Though I usually limit these little slips intoministerial mode, this year's happenings and horrors haveprompted me to "slip on the collar" several times. Most whodon't enjoy or appreciate these words are kind enough not tosay so. Thank you for your patience and indulgence. Four times in the events surrounding the birth of theChrist child, God sent the same message to the world throughhis heavenly heralds. That message wasn't "He shall save Hispeople from their sins," though that was an importantmessage. It wasn't even, "Glory to God in the highest, andon earth, peace on those upon whom his favor rests." Themessage God emphasized to those present at the birth ofJesus was "Fear not." "Fear not." That's a good message Can Christmas really make that much difference? Can thecoming of Christ to our world chase fear away not just fromour worlds but from our lives? Yes, with all that is in me,I believe it can. For to say "God is with us" is also tosay that "we are with God." Heaven abides in human hearts.Remember that Mary was instructed to call this babe:"Immanuel - God with us." As this calendar year draws to a close, the liturgicalyear is new and fresh as Spring. My wish for you all thisyear is more than tight lines, more than sharp planes, evenmore than health and happiness. My wish for you all is thatyou find a few moments on the stream or the lake, in themarsh or the surf, when you can truly "Fear not." My hopeis that you will find the God who is all around you. Myprayer is that you will find, or be found by that God who islooking for you, whatever name you choose to call him. Heoften looks out through the eyes of those whom we know andlove best, and I often see Him, and hear Him, and read ofHim, through you. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr. --Harry Boydhttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church Harry,Since I have been on the list I don't think christmas would be completewithout your christmas message. I always print it out and let my familyread it too. I would like to take this time to say the guys on thislist are the best. We may not always agree on everything but I think wewill all agree on that. Merry christmas to all of you and I hope the newyear brings you all joy, health, and much happiness. Your Freind Bob V from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Dec 23 18:12:53 2001 fBO0CqW04278 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:12:52 -0600 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Merry Christmas, friends! --------------1E0DF643231EDEC60FE4DC1A from Grayson.Davis@valpo.edu Sun Dec 23 18:13:07 2001 fBO0D6W04305 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:13:06 - fBO0Cpj14181 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:12:52 - Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas Ditto what Harry & Bob said.Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! - Grayson-----------------------------------------Grayson DavisEmail: Grayson.Davis@valpo.eduValparaiso University from ttalsma@macatawa.org Sun Dec 23 18:33:51 2001 fBO0XnW05062 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:33:49 - Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:17:47 +0900 Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas Harry, I couldn't have said it any better. In this season of hope, may all find themselves in a better place nowand in the coming year. I am finding out more and more that the peopleon this listserv are some of the most generous, caring people one couldever hope to be associated with. The more I "talk" with people, themore amazed I am at that quality of individuals associated with thelist. May everyone have a blessed Christmas and a wonderful New Year!! Harry Boyd wrote: Friends, to you who are a big part of my life, many of whom I'venever met but still call friends. Some of my rod makingfriends have written asking when this year's message wascoming, so perhaps this is over due.Though I usually limit these little slips intoministerial mode, this year's happenings and horrors haveprompted me to "slip on the collar" several times. Most whodon't enjoy or appreciate these words are kind enough not tosay so. Thank you for your patience and indulgence. Four times in the events surrounding the birth of theChrist child, God sent the same message to the world throughhis heavenly heralds. That message wasn't "He shall save Hispeople from their sins," though that was an importantmessage. It wasn't even, "Glory to God in the highest, andon earth, peace on those upon whom his favor rests." Themessage God emphasized to those present at the birth ofJesus was "Fear not." "Fear not." That's a good message Can Christmas really make that much difference? Can thecoming of Christ to our world chase fear away not just fromour worlds but from our lives? Yes, with all that is in me,I believe it can. For to say "God is with us" is also tosay that "we are with God." Heaven abides in human hearts.Remember that Mary was instructed to call this babe:"Immanuel - God with us." As this calendar year draws to a close, the liturgicalyear is new and fresh as Spring. My wish for you all thisyear is more than tight lines, more than sharp planes, evenmore than health and happiness. My wish for you all is thatyou find a few moments on the stream or the lake, in themarsh or the surf, when you can truly "Fear not." My hopeis that you will find the God who is all around you. Myprayer is that you will find, or be found by that God who islooking for you, whatever name you choose to call him. Heoften looks out through the eyes of those whom we know andlove best, and I often see Him, and hear Him, and read ofHim, through you. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr. --Harry Boydhttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Rodmaking Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Rodmaking Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/index.htmgenealogy home page: Under Construction from boyko@peoplepc.com Sun Dec 23 19:27:37 2001 fBO1RaW05772 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:27:37 - 0800 -0800 Subject: Dear Fellow Bamboo Rod Makers: I have been into a lot of things in my =life, trap shooting, wood working, carving duck decoys, tying flfys, =etc.etc. but you bamboo rod guys are tops. Met wonderful folks at =Grayling and again at the get togather of the guys from Mpls-St. Paul in =Wis. then you guys on this web site. I wish you all a Merry X-Mass and =Happy New Year. from my familhy to you and your family..Lew or just =Birddog.. I = into a lot of things in my life, trap shooting, wood working, carving = decoys, tying flfys, etc.etc. but you bamboo rod guys are tops. Met = folks at Grayling and again at the get togather of the guys from = Birddog.. from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Sun Dec 23 19:30:30 2001 fBO1UTW06006 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:30:29 - Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:29:36 -0500 "Rodmakers List-serv" Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas Thank you Reverend Doctor Boyd. This is my second year on the list and Itoo look forward in anticipation for the Maker's message that you send tothe maker's list each year. It truly is Christmas when your missive isreceived, I've pulled my last shift at the Optimist tree lot and the weatheris 60* and rainy. To my friend Harry, your family, and to all the other maker's I've been sofortunate to meet here and in person, I wish you all the happiness thisholiday season can bring. May the blessings of this past year, and therewere many hidden amongst the pain and suffering we all witnessed this year,be multiplied in the coming year for each and every one of you. "I am as light as a feather, I am as happy as an angel, I am as merry as aschool-boy. I am as giddy as a drunken man. A merry Christmas to every- body!A happy New Year to all the world! Hallo here! Whoop! Hallo!'' Scrooge from "A Christmas Carol" by Charles Dickens Tim from Lazybee45@aol.com Sun Dec 23 19:38:54 2001 fBO1crW06375 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:38:53 - for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:38:43 - Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas In a message dated 12/23/01 6:34:38 PM Central Standard Time, ttalsma@macatawa.org writes: I couldn't have said it better. I too enjoy talking with you guys. Good friends are hard to find.mark from lkoeser@ceva.net Sun Dec 23 19:49:20 2001 fBO1nJW06795 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:49:19 - Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:41:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas Thank you, Rev. Boyd.Lee----- Original Message ----- Subject: Getting personal at Christmas Friends, to you who are a big part of my life, many of whom I'venever met but still call friends. Some of my rod makingfriends have written asking when this year's message wascoming, so perhaps this is over due.Though I usually limit these little slips intoministerial mode, this year's happenings and horrors haveprompted me to "slip on the collar" several times. Most whodon't enjoy or appreciate these words are kind enough not tosay so. Thank you for your patience and indulgence. Four times in the events surrounding the birth of theChrist child, God sent the same message to the world throughhis heavenly heralds. That message wasn't "He shall save Hispeople from their sins," though that was an importantmessage. It wasn't even, "Glory to God in the highest, andon earth, peace on those upon whom his favor rests." Themessage God emphasized to those present at the birth ofJesus was "Fear not." "Fear not." That's a good message Can Christmas really make that much difference? Can thecoming of Christ to our world chase fear away not just fromour worlds but from our lives? Yes, with all that is in me,I believe it can. For to say "God is with us" is also tosay that "we are with God." Heaven abides in human hearts.Remember that Mary was instructed to call this babe:"Immanuel - God with us." As this calendar year draws to a close, the liturgicalyear is new and fresh as Spring. My wish for you all thisyear is more than tight lines, more than sharp planes, evenmore than health and happiness. My wish for you all is thatyou find a few moments on the stream or the lake, in themarsh or the surf, when you can truly "Fear not." My hopeis that you will find the God who is all around you. Myprayer is that you will find, or be found by that God who islooking for you, whatever name you choose to call him. Heoften looks out through the eyes of those whom we know andlove best, and I often see Him, and hear Him, and read ofHim, through you. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr. --Harry Boydhttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from edriddle@mindspring.com Sun Dec 23 20:08:18 2001 fBO28HW07261 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:08:18 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16IKXG-00069N-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:08:14 -0500 Subject: Season's Greetings Here's wishing all you good folks a joyful Holiday.Ed Here's wishing all you good folks a = Holiday.Ed from flyfish@gbronline.com Sun Dec 23 20:55:25 2001 fBO2tOW08207 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:55:24 - 20:51:29 2001 -0600 Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas Harry,Every year that I've subscribed, I've looked forward to your Christmasmessage. This year was no exception. Thank you for once againreminding us what Christmas is all about. Greg Harry Boyd wrote: Friends, to you who are a big part of my life, many of whom I'venever met but still call friends. Some of my rod makingfriends have written asking when this year's message wascoming, so perhaps this is over due.Though I usually limit these little slips intoministerial mode, this year's happenings and horrors haveprompted me to "slip on the collar" several times. Most whodon't enjoy or appreciate these words are kind enough not tosay so. Thank you for your patience and indulgence. Four times in the events surrounding the birth of theChrist child, God sent the same message to the world throughhis heavenly heralds. That message wasn't "He shall save Hispeople from their sins," though that was an importantmessage. It wasn't even, "Glory to God in the highest, andon earth, peace on those upon whom his favor rests." Themessage God emphasized to those present at the birth of Jesus was "Fear not." "Fear not." That's a good message Can Christmas really make that much difference? Can thecoming of Christ to our world chase fear away not just fromour worlds but from our lives? Yes, with all that is in me,I believe it can. For to say "God is with us" is also tosay that "we are with God." Heaven abides in human hearts.Remember that Mary was instructed to call this babe:"Immanuel - God with us." As this calendar year draws to a close, the liturgicalyear is new and fresh as Spring. My wish for you all thisyear is more than tight lines, more than sharp planes, evenmore than health and happiness. My wish for you all is thatyou find a few moments on the stream or the lake, in themarsh or the surf, when you can truly "Fear not." My hopeis that you will find the God who is all around you. Myprayer is that you will find, or be found by that God who islooking for you, whatever name you choose to call him. Heoften looks out through the eyes of those whom we know andlove best, and I often see Him, and hear Him, and read ofHim, through you. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr. --Harry Boydhttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Sun Dec 23 21:34:23 2001 fBO3YMW08931 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:34:22 - by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:33:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas Harry: All I can say is "amen" Joe=================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one hand and a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Getting personal at Christmas Friends, to you who are a big part of my life, many of whom I'venever met but still call friends. Some of my rod makingfriends have written asking when this year's message wascoming, so perhaps this is over due.Though I usually limit these little slips intoministerial mode, this year's happenings and horrors haveprompted me to "slip on the collar" several times. Most whodon't enjoy or appreciate these words are kind enough not tosay so. Thank you for your patience and indulgence. Four times in the events surrounding the birth of theChrist child, God sent the same message to the world throughhis heavenly heralds. That message wasn't "He shall save Hispeople from their sins," though that was an importantmessage. It wasn't even, "Glory to God in the highest, andon earth, peace on those upon whom his favor rests." Themessage God emphasized to those present at the birth ofJesus was "Fear not." "Fear not." That's a good message Can Christmas really make that much difference? Can thecoming of Christ to our world chase fear away not just fromour worlds but from our lives? Yes, with all that is in me,I believe it can. For to say "God is with us" is also tosay that "we are with God." Heaven abides in human hearts.Remember that Mary was instructed to call this babe:"Immanuel - God with us." As this calendar year draws to a close, the liturgicalyear is new and fresh as Spring. My wish for you all thisyear is more than tight lines, more than sharp planes, evenmore than health and happiness. My wish for you all is thatyou find a few moments on the stream or the lake, in themarsh or the surf, when you can truly "Fear not." My hopeis that you will find the God who is all around you. Myprayer is that you will find, or be found by that God who islooking for you, whatever name you choose to call him. Heoften looks out through the eyes of those whom we know andlove best, and I often see Him, and hear Him, and read ofHim, through you. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr. --Harry Boydhttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from jteft@frontiernet.net Mon Dec 24 08:11:19 2001 fBOEBIW15012 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:11:18 - Subject: Re: Clear Cane Everyone,My last order of cane I do not think any would meet the severe standard for"Blonde" and Clear. Lots made the Bob Nunley "F" grade though.I just burned one for a rod case.Jim T----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Clear Cane All, I dunno, jeez! I always regarded bamboo as a natural material whose surface would would not be perfect. I don't mind little "blemishes" in colorationat all-- any more than I do in natural woods. These little "blems" addcharacter and personality, in my view. Of course, it's true that somemarkings can be downright horrible in a blond rod, but otherwise I havealways thought the little watermarks and so forth are rather attractive. I never look for perfectly clear cane. It's a matter of taste, to be sure, but just don't assume that in order for a blond rod to be "good," it must also be perfectly clear. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Cc: "rodmakers" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 10:15 PMSubject: Re: Clear Cane Bill, I choose the clearest culms in my collection, thensplit judiciously. I often split the tips to more than 24strips per culm. Butts are usually split to 18 - 24strips. Then I choose the 12 best tip strips, and the 6 bestbutt strips. Butt strips are the biggest worry. In buttstrips there's much more cane to show the watermarks, andon those butts the marks stick out like a sore thumb.Tips are small enough that a small cosmetic blemish isn'tso obvious. Harry Bill Walters wrote: I was just going through my collection of half culmsthinking that I might want to make a blond rod. Then,what to my wondering eyes should appear, but not a oneis suitable for a blond rod, or so it would seem. Areblond rods even made anymore? If they are where areyou guys getting cane clear enough to make one? Thanks,Bill Walters __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from joseus@cybertech.com.ar Mon Dec 24 08:59:22 2001 fBOExKW15966 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:59:20 - fBOEBqq01500 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:11:52 -0300 Subject: Feliz Navidad. Queridos amigos. Desde esta parte del continente, bien al sur, deseo =hacerles llegar a ustedes amigos del norte. Una muy feliz navidad. Que =tambien ustedes tengan paz. Que el espiritu navide=F1o los acompa=F1e =con sus familiares y amigos. Este espiritu navide=F1o, que no es otra =cosa, que ser solidarios. La solidaridad es la parte mas importante. En =el hombre la falta de solidaridad, es el primer paso a la maldad. Es por =eso mis queridos amigos, quisas nunca nos conoscamos, pero hoy estaran =presente junto a mi familia, en nuestos pensamientos. Les deseo feliz =navidad, y que la paz este con ustedes tambien. Alberto. Dear friends. from this part of the continent, well to the south, desire =to make them arrive to you friends of the north. A very happy navidad. =That you also have peace. That the Christmas spirit accompanies them =with its relatives and friends. This Christmas spirit that is not =another thing that to be solidary. The solidarity is the part but =important. In the man the lack of solidarity, is the first step to the =wickedness. He/she is for that reason my dear friends, quisas never us =conoscamos, but today they will be present next to my family, in nuestos =thoughts. I wish them happy navidad, and that the peace this with you = joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/albertoyjoseusman Queridos amigos. Desde esta parte del continente, bien al sur, deseo = llegar a ustedes amigos del norte. Una muy feliz navidad. Que tambien = tengan paz. Que el espiritu navide=F1o los acompa=F1e con sus familiares = Este espiritu navide=F1o, que no es otra cosa, que ser solidarios. La = es la parte mas importante. En el hombre la falta de solidaridad, es el = paso a la maldad. Es por eso mis queridos amigos, quisas nunca nos = pero hoy estaran presente junto a mi familia, en nuestos pensamientos. = feliz navidad, y que la paz este con ustedes tambien. =Alberto.Dear friends. from this part of the continent, well to the south, = make them arrive to you friends of the north. A very happy navidad. That = also have peace. That the Christmas spirit accompanies them with its = solidary. The solidarity is the part but important. In the man the lack = solidarity, is the first step to the wickedness. He/she is for that = dear friends, quisas never us conoscamos, but today they will be present = my family, in nuestos thoughts. I wish them happy navidad, and that the = this with you also. Alberto. joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/alb=ertoyjoseusman from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Mon Dec 24 09:08:00 2001 fBOF7xW16253 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:07:59 - for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:07:57 - Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas Pastor Boyd (Harry if I may), I can't think of too many other places where the pastoral beauty of the stream, river, lake, pond or any other body of water so mirrors and magnifies the presence of God in my life. Because of lifes circumstances over the past fifteen years or so, I've not availed myself of the opportunity to put myself in the presence of my Maker, in the great cathedral of his creation. The last couple of years, I've been blessed to find a couple of new fishing partners, who, like myself, truly enjoy the great outdoors and the treasures that go with being there. I put away my fishing gear while I was in the USAF for over ten years, because the places I was stationed really didn't lend themselves to one of my favorite avocations. Since moving back to the East Coast of the US, I've been fortunate enough to become fast friends with two fellows, who through their hard efforts, managed to drag me out to the Potomac River in Northwestern Maryland, in search of the elusive smallmouth bass on a fly rod. My interest in fishing has been rekindled one hundred fold, and I've gotten the tying bench back out of mothballs, and I'm now in the process of getting the tools and goodies together to start building cane rods, something I've always wanted to do since I picked up the Garrison/Carmichael book back in the late 70's (yup, it's a first edition, and it's in pretty good shape, too... smug grin...). If it wasn't for the opportunity to bend a rod, the last few monthswould have really taken their toll. It's really tough knowing friends are overseas, chasing down the people that caused so much pain to so many people in one act of evil, and wishing I was there along side, using the skills I practised and trained for so many years. I work at the Naval Research Laboratory, which is located in the southern tip of Washington DC, right across the river from Reagan National Airport, in visual sight of the Pentagon, and the Washington monument. I was up on the roof of the building I work in, talking with a friend of mine a short time after the second plane hit the WTC. I was looking in the general direction of the airport and the Pentagon when the third plane hit the Pentagon. I still have the image of that seared in my brain, and I've woken up a number of times in the middle of the night with that vision in my eyes. Getting out in the peace and solitude of the river, with God's creatures flying overhead, cruising underneath the currents of the life giving water, and ambling along the banks in search of food and water, gives me a new perspective each and every time. It renews my faith, and renews my spirit. Wishing all the board, their families and friends, a most blessed Christmas and holiday season. Here's to hoping the same renewal of spirit comes to all of you, as we make our way down the stream banks an into the water, and wet our lines. Tight Lines,Mark Wendt from stoltz10@attbi.com Mon Dec 24 10:58:03 2001 fBOGw2W18276 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:58:02 - Subject: Happy Holidays Happy Holidays to all on the list and their families I hope you have a =wonderful Christmas. Tim Happy Holidays to all on the list and = families I hope you have a wonderful Christmas. Tim from splitcane@t-online.de Mon Dec 24 11:14:07 2001 fBOHE6W18771 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:14:06 - id 16IYfq-0002Uk-02; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:14:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas 1?b?Ik1pY2hhZWwgTfxsbGVyIg==?=) fBOHE6W18772 "Harry Boyd" schrieb: Friends, to you who are a big part of my life, many of whom I'venever met but still call friends. Some of my rod makingfriends have written asking when this year's message wascoming, so perhaps this is over due.Though I usually limit these little slips intoministerial mode, this year's happenings and horrors haveprompted me to "slip on the collar" several times. Most whodon't enjoy or appreciate these words are kind enough not tosay so. Thank you for your patience and indulgence. Four times in the events surrounding the birth of theChrist child, God sent the same message to the world throughhis heavenly heralds. That message wasn't "He shall save Hispeople from their sins," though that was an importantmessage. It wasn't even, "Glory to God in the highest, andon earth, peace on those upon whom his favor rests." Themessage God emphasized to those present at the birth ofJesus was "Fear not." "Fear not." That's a good message Can Christmas really make that much difference? Can thecoming of Christ to our world chase fear away not just fromour worlds but from our lives? Yes, with all that is in me,I believe it can. For to say "God is with us" is also tosay that "we are with God." Heaven abides in human hearts.Remember that Mary was instructed to call this babe:"Immanuel - God with us." As this calendar year draws to a close, the liturgicalyear is new and fresh as Spring. My wish for you all thisyear is more than tight lines, more than sharp planes, evenmore than health and happiness. My wish for you all is thatyou find a few moments on the stream or the lake, in themarsh or the surf, when you can truly "Fear not." My hopeis that you will find the God who is all around you. Myprayer is that you will find, or be found by that God who islooking for you, whatever name you choose to call him. Heoften looks out through the eyes of those whom we know andlove best, and I often see Him, and hear Him, and read ofHim, through you. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr. --Harry Boydhttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church AMEN!! In this times I wish you all a merry, blessed and peaceful christmas.Michael-H. Mueller from TBOWDEN@halcyon.com Mon Dec 24 11:31:01 2001 fBOHV0W19311 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:31:00 - for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:30:56 - Subject: Cheap Ferrules On Saturday I was at down at the local (graphite/fiberglass)rodmaking shop.A guy brought in what looked like an old japanese bamboo rod which had abreak above the ferrule in the mid-section. I was appalled at the clerk'srecommended solution - replace the ferrule with an oversized set of nickleplated brass ferrules that had no moisture cap on the female or male! Itold the guy he'd end up getting moisture and ruining the rod, but theclerk insisted that the ferrules fit tightly and that little, if any,moisture would enter. I just shook my head & shut up. It's his store, therod in question probably wasn't worth the cost of good ferrules, and Iwasn't in the mood for an argument. I did manage to convince the clerk tofind a male with a moisture cap - "they stopped making them that way a fewyears ago, but we still have a few in stock". I asked the clerk how much the ferrules cost - $3.75 per set! They actuallyfit together nicely, and didn't look that bad. They were obviously made inEurope, since they came in metric sizes rather than 64ths. I'm sure theseare intended as replacements for old fiberglass rods, where moisture isn'tan issue. I'm currently making a 6' spinning rod out of spare butt section strips formy nephew. I got to thinking that these cheap ferrules might be okay inthis situation, if I could figure out a way to insert a moisture plug.Maybe you could make a disc by filing a brass rod to fit & then gluing orsoldering it into the ferrule. Or maybe the ends of the bamboo sectionscould be treated with something to seal them up. Any thoughts? Tom from wkifer@harborside.com Mon Dec 24 12:06:25 2001 fBOI6OW20079 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:06:24 - 0000 Subject: Ordering Cane --=======5764077======= format=flowed All, I will be ordering my first culms in the not to distant future and I have a question or two before I order. I will be buying a few low grade culms to practice with and a few quality culms for rods. Where may the best seasoned culms (at least three years) be purchased?Who provides the best dollar value? Please respond off list if you would please. All responses will be confidential. TIA Wayne Kifer --=======5764077=======-- from "Marty D. aka \"none" Mon Dec 24 12:17:25 2001 fBOIHOW20576 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:17:24 - v4.1.60/v4177. . Clean. Processed in 0.827865 secs); 24 Dec 200118:17:24 -0000 Subject: Re: Cheap Ferrules I do not believe those post War Japanese rods deserve a set of quality NSferrules but that is up to the owner. Cheap ferrules are still available fromsuppliers such as Clemens Custom Tackle in Allentown PA (no financialinterest). They have a male waterplug but no female plug. I do not believe thelack of a female water plug is the end of the World as millions of cheaperrodssuch as HI and Montague have been used and are still used with no problems.Therod just has to be dried thoroughly before putting in the case. Marty Tom Bowden wrote: On Saturday I was at down at the local (graphite/fiberglass)rodmakingshop.A guy brought in what looked like an old japanese bamboo rod which had abreak above the ferrule in the mid-section. I was appalled at the clerk'srecommended solution - replace the ferrule with an oversized set of nickleplated brass ferrules that had no moisture cap on the female or male! Itold the guy he'd end up getting moisture and ruining the rod, but theclerk insisted that the ferrules fit tightly and that little, if any,moisture would enter. I just shook my head & shut up. It's his store, therod in question probably wasn't worth the cost of good ferrules, and Iwasn't in the mood for an argument. I did manage to convince the clerk tofind a male with a moisture cap - "they stopped making them that way afewyears ago, but we still have a few in stock". I asked the clerk how much the ferrules cost - $3.75 per set! They actuallyfit together nicely, and didn't look that bad. They were obviously made inEurope, since they came in metric sizes rather than 64ths. I'm sure theseare intended as replacements for old fiberglass rods, where moisture isn'tan issue. I'm currently making a 6' spinning rod out of spare butt section strips formy nephew. I got to thinking that these cheap ferrules might be okay inthis situation, if I could figure out a way to insert a moisture plug.Maybe you could make a disc by filing a brass rod to fit & then gluing orsoldering it into the ferrule. Or maybe the ends of the bamboo sectionscould be treated with something to seal them up. Any thoughts? Tom from dnorl@qwest.net Mon Dec 24 14:12:58 2001 fBOKCvW22489 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:12:57 - 0000 (63.228.45.205) Subject: Re: Cheap Ferrules A drop of epoxy in the female should seal it off-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Cheap Ferrules I do not believe those post War Japanese rods deserve a set of quality NSferrules but that is up to the owner. Cheap ferrules are still available from suppliers such as Clemens Custom Tackle in Allentown PA (no financialinterest). They have a male waterplug but no female plug. I do not believe the lack of a female water plug is the end of the World as millions of cheaper rods such as HI and Montague have been used and are still used with no problems. The rod just has to be dried thoroughly before putting in the case. Marty Tom Bowden wrote: On Saturday I was at down at the local (graphite/fiberglass)rodmaking shop. A guy brought in what looked like an old japanese bamboo rod which had abreak above the ferrule in the mid-section. I was appalled at the clerk'srecommended solution - replace the ferrule with an oversized set of nickle plated brass ferrules that had no moisture cap on the female or male! Itold the guy he'd end up getting moisture and ruining the rod, but theclerk insisted that the ferrules fit tightly and that little, if any,moisture would enter. I just shook my head & shut up. It's his store, therod in question probably wasn't worth the cost of good ferrules, and Iwasn't in the mood for an argument. I did manage to convince the clerk tofind a male with a moisture cap - "they stopped making them that way a few years ago, but we still have a few in stock". I asked the clerk how much the ferrules cost - $3.75 per set! They actually fit together nicely, and didn't look that bad. They were obviously made in Europe, since they came in metric sizes rather than 64ths. I'm sure theseare intended as replacements for old fiberglass rods, where moisture isn't an issue. I'm currently making a 6' spinning rod out of spare butt section strips for my nephew. I got to thinking that these cheap ferrules might be okay inthis situation, if I could figure out a way to insert a moisture plug.Maybe you could make a disc by filing a brass rod to fit & then gluing orsoldering it into the ferrule. Or maybe the ends of the bamboo sectionscould be treated with something to seal them up. Any thoughts? Tom from martinrjensen@attbi.com Mon Dec 24 18:50:08 2001 fBP0o8W25575 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:50:08 - ;Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:50:02 +0000 Subject: RE: Cheap Ferrules Organization: wish I had some I believe Winston does not use a "water plug" as you call it. Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- "none Subject: Re: Cheap Ferrules I do not believe those post War Japanese rods deserve a set of qualityNS ferrules but that is up to the owner. Cheap ferrules are stillavailable from suppliers such as Clemens Custom Tackle in Allentown PA(no financial interest). They have a male waterplug but no female plug.I do not believe the lack of a female water plug is the end of the Worldas millions of cheaper rods such as HI and Montague have been used andare still used with no problems. The rod just has to be dried thoroughlybefore putting in the case. Marty Tom Bowden wrote: On Saturday I was at down at the local (graphite/fiberglass)rodmaking shop. A guy brought in what looked like an old japanese bamboo rod which had a break above the ferrule in the mid-section. I was appalled at the clerk's recommended solution - replace the ferrule with an oversized set of nickle plated brass ferrules that had no moisture cap on the female or male! I told the guy he'd end up getting moisture and ruining the rod, but the clerk insisted that the ferrules fit tightly and that little, if any, moisture would enter. I just shook my head & > shutup. It's his store, the rod in question probably wasn't worth the cost of good ferrules, and I wasn't in the mood for an argument. I did manage to convince the clerk to find a male with a moisture cap - "they stopped making them that way a few years ago, but we still have a few in stock". I asked the clerk how much the ferrules cost - $3.75 per set! They actually fit together nicely, and didn't look that bad. They were obviously made in Europe, since they came in metric sizes rather than 64ths. I'm sure these are intended as replacements for old fiberglass rods, where moisture isn't an issue. I'm currently making a 6' spinning rod out of spare butt section strips for my nephew. I got to thinking that these cheap ferrules might be okay in this situation, if I could figure out a way to insert a moisture plug. Maybe you could make a disc by filing a brass rod to fit & then gluing or soldering it into the ferrule. Or maybe the ends of the bamboo sections could be treated with something to seal them up. Any thoughts? Tom from piscator@macatawa.org Mon Dec 24 20:53:16 2001 fBP2rFW26567 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:53:15 - for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:54:06 - Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas I'd been off the list for a while and re-upped just to read Harry'sChristmas letter. Darned near missed it! We just returned from Christmas Eve service and the message was prettymuchthe same. Sort of a " For if you help the least of these you are doing mywork," sort of service. And like Bill Murray sez in Scrooged, if you justtake a minute and help your fellow man out, you are keeping the spirit ofChristmas. It can become a cold, lonely world when we are all pursuing ourown goals and forget to lift others up too. Anyone who would like to keep the spirit of christmas by sharpening my planeblades or straightening a few dozen nodes should contact me at theirearliest convenience. Merry Christmas, Brian from eamon_lee@hotmail.com Mon Dec 24 22:47:09 2001 fBP4l3W27752 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:47:03 - Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:46:54 -0800 Tue, 25 Dec 2001 04:46:53 GMT brian@w-link.net, captgordon@flyfish-nc.com, dchurch1@twcny.rr.com,dukemcg@aol.com, dukemcg@yahoo.com, erikp@slip.net,eriksp@earthlink.net,famlee@deepspace.dk, famlee_dk@yahoo.com, FeathersMc@aol.com,fishstew@prodigy.net, gibson@dreamscape.com, gwti@desupernet.net,jajohn69@yahoo.com, jaredsh@hotmail.com, jeremy.lebediker@ac.com,jeremy.lebediker@accenture.com, john1379@studnt.cc.plattsburgh.edu,johnruman@hotmail.com, jps38acm@aol.com, jruman1@twcny.rr.com,kjpjak@dreamscape.com, kklee@frontiernet.net, kpmckinnon@aol.com,LECLAIR123@aol.com, listproc@mail.wustl.edu, lizarose1227@msn.com,lostdogg@carolina.rr.com, mjreal@email.msn.com, mrjaybone@yahoo.com,nbritner@datacomsystems.com, neilb@ottawa.com, nnassif@twcny.rr.com,rcentur2@twcny.rr.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu,sorgulp@paul.paulsmiths.edu, sorgulp@paulsmiths.edu,starsz26@yahoo.com,taftsville@mindspring.com, wverbeck@aol.comSubject: Happy Holidays! FILETIME=[2CEC7E50:01C18CFF] Happy holidays everyone! Here's to a healthy and prosperous New Year! God Bless!Love Eamon and Lynda _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Dec 24 22:51:23 2001 fBP4pMW28014 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:51:23 - Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:51:17 -0800 Subject: M. C. & H.N.Y. FILETIME=[C9ECE820:01C18CFF] Happy holidays to all. With cane, we are all able... John Long Happyholidays= ; John Long from lblan@provide.net Mon Dec 24 23:13:39 2001 fBP5DcW28390 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:13:38 - for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:13:37 - Subject: Holidays and Thanks to Mike Hope everyone has a great holiday season. Mike Biondo; thanks for putting up with us for another year! A forum I read from time to time is somewhat strictly moderated. The posttoday from the Moderator reads as follows: "Yes it's Christmas and that is a Christian holiday. I'm certainly not aboutto prohibit all talk of Christmas, but I must caution everyone not to strayinto the realm of overt religion. We don't want to open that particulardoor, Christmas or not. What is the "religious realm"? If you find yourselfwanting to talk about your deity or variations of that, then it is strayinginto the religious realm." Somehow, this just didn't set well with me. Imagine, among other things,missing Harry's annual post. I thought this might be an appropriate time toexpress my thanks to Mike for his tolerance in moderating the list! Larry Blan from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Dec 25 05:54:31 2001 fBPBsVW01194 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 05:54:31 - for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 06:54:28 - Subject: Re: Holidays and Thanks to Mike In a message dated 12/24/01 11:14:07 PM Central Standard Time, lblan@provide.net writes: I have been unable to participate much lately, but always check my e-mails anyway. I have a brief comment regarding this, but as was pointed out,would rather stay away from "Overt" religion. My father is a retired minister and I studied philosophy in college. I personally don't mind a discussion of philosophical concepts and the sort of things that Harry says, in fact I like them and applaud him for being the "rodmakers Chaplan" if that is what he is, even if unofficialy. But I personally see every activity as a spiritual journey of sorts. Rodmaking and fishing possibly more than others. Philosophy and "faith" is a wonderful thing. Even as a devout Christian myself, I object to people who attempt to force their faith on others and make EVERY discussion a means of promoting their faith. Harry does not do that. I think we all know where he stands and why. Harry is undoubtedly one of the people who actually READ the Bible(which is considered a holy book in many cultures, not just Christian) and really learned something from it. He, like my Dad, actually tries to do as it says.Anyway, enough from me. I certainly don't mind a bit of personal philosophising! particularly as it applies to fly fishing!Merry Christmas dudes! or as my Teenage daughter's "buds" say, "Peace,out!" mark (the 48 year old Hippy) from oakmere@carol.net Tue Dec 25 08:59:55 2001 fBPExsW02542 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:59:55 -0600 fBPEw8b24780; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:58:09 -0500 flyfish@lsv.uky.edu Subject: RE: Seasons Greetings Hi Folks: The best to all of you for a very Merry Christmas and Joyous Holiday Season from Oakmere House in Upstate South Carolina - land of lakes and mountains.May your coming year be busy making those "grass" rods, catching andreleasing Atlantic salmon, and flyfishing for your favorite specie. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutBeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work), Clemson University; 864-656- 7471oakmere@carol.net (home), South Carolina; 864-882-0077 from bob@downandacross.com Tue Dec 25 09:12:20 2001 fBPFCKW02872 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:12:20 - Tue,25 Dec 2001 10:12:10 -0500 Subject: Merry Christmas: Cross Salmon Rod Taper Merry Christmas to all on the list. I wish you all happiness and peace inthe coming year. Here is the taper that I promised for the South Bend Cross Model 1927 LightSalmon Rod. It gave me something to do with the wonderful new digitalMitutoyo caliper I recieved today. I must say that I was duly impressed withthe dimensions/tolerances on the tip and mid section of this rod. They werealmost always dead on. The butt was a bit off, and these are averages of theflats. 9'6" with 6" fighting butt (10' with fighting butt)These dimensions are without varnish. 081 0"097 5118 10135 15150 20166 25187 30208 35246 40255 45260 50277 55288 60297 65314 70343 75374 80379 85395 90408 95430 100430 105430 110"430 114" The grip is 7.25" and the reel seat 3.75." This is a pretty stiff and heavyrod. I am going to give it a shot as a two handed rod as soon as I re-wrapit. It is a bit heavy for single hand overhead casting. Best regards,Bob from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Dec 25 09:15:41 2001 fBPFFfW03105 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:15:41 - fBPFFd614445 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:15:40 -0600 Subject: Dan Cooney Dan,Are you out there, my messages to you bounce.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from blitzenrods@yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 10:31:52 2001 fBPGVoW04155 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:31:50 - Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:31:50 PST Subject: Re: Clear Cane Where are you guys buying your bamboo from? Chris --- Jim Tefft wrote: Everyone,My last order of cane I do not think any would meetthe severe standard for"Blonde" and Clear. Lots made the Bob Nunley "F"grade though.I just burned one for a rod case.Jim T----- Original Message -----From: "WILLIAM HARMS" Cc: "rodmakers" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 3:50 PMSubject: Re: Clear Cane All, I dunno, jeez! I always regarded bamboo as a natural material whosesurface would would not be perfect. I don't mind little "blemishes" in coloration at all--any more than I do in natural woods. These little "blems" add character and personality, in my view. Of course, it's true that some markings can be downright horrible in a blond rod, but otherwise I have always thought the little watermarks and so forth are rather attractive.I never look for perfectly clear cane. It's a matter of taste, to be sure, but just don't assume that in orderfor a blond rod to be "good," it must also be perfectly clear. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Cc: "rodmakers" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 10:15 PMSubject: Re: Clear Cane Bill, I choose the clearest culms in my collection, then split judiciously. I often split the tips to more than 24 strips per culm. Butts are usually split to 18 - 24 strips. Then I choose the 12 best tip strips, and the 6 best butt strips. Butt strips are the biggest worry. In butt strips there's much more cane to show the watermarks, and on those butts the marks stick out like a sore thumb. Tips are small enough that a small cosmetic blemish isn't so obvious. Harry Bill Walters wrote: I was just going through my collection of half culms thinking that I might want to make a blond rod. Then, what to my wondering eyes should appear, but not a one is suitable for a blond rod, or so it would seem. Are blond rods even made anymore? If they are where are you guys getting cane clear enough to make one? Thanks,Bill Walters __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from saweiss@flash.net Tue Dec 25 11:54:03 2001 fBPHs2W04889 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:54:02 - fBPHrtT18578; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:53:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Clear Cane Organization: Prodigy Internet I have bought from Andy Royer and from Imperial.Steve Where are you guys buying your bamboo from? from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Tue Dec 25 12:38:04 2001 fBPIc3W05539 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:38:04 - Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:37:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Clear Cane FILETIME=[464D48B0:01C18D73] Andy Royer in Seattle. I have been more than satisfied with the quality andsize. In two shipments, I have had one reject due to a mysterious absence ofpower fibers in an otherwise great looking culm. All the rest were suitable from him. Jeff Schaeffer from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Tue Dec 25 12:56:44 2001 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) fBPIuhW05982 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:56:43 - (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:56:42 -0600 Subject: RE: Holidays and Thanks to Mike I'm not Christian, but the unmistakable love in Harry's message came throughloud and clear, and I'm glad he sent it. All of us ought to be able to seethrough the surface of such a message, even if it does not use the wordsandimages we would choose. Thanks, you, Harry. Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Holidays and Thanks to Mike In a message dated 12/24/01 11:14:07 PM Central Standard Time, lblan@provide.net writes: I have been unable to participate much lately, but always check mye-mails anyway. I have a brief comment regarding this, but as was pointed out,would rather stay away from "Overt" religion. My father is a retired ministerand I studied philosophy in college. I personally don't mind a discussion of philosophical concepts andthe sort of things that Harry says, in fact I like them and applaud him forbeing the "rodmakers Chaplan" if that is what he is, even if unofficialy. ButI personally see every activity as a spiritual journey of sorts.Rodmaking and fishing possibly more than others. Philosophy and "faith" is a wonderful thing. Even as a devout Christian myself, I object to people whoattempt to force their faith on others and make EVERY discussion a means ofpromoting their faith. Harry does not do that. I think we all know where hestands and why. Harry is undoubtedly one of the people who actually READ the Bible(which is considered a holy book in many cultures, not justChristian) and really learned something from it. He, like my Dad, actually triesto do as it says.Anyway, enough from me. I certainly don't mind a bit of personal philosophising! particularly as it applies to fly fishing!Merry Christmas dudes! or as my Teenage daughter's "buds" say, "Peace,out!" mark (the 48 year old Hippy) from sats@gte.net Tue Dec 25 12:57:57 2001 fBPIvuW06146 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:57:56 - for ; id fBPIvnY22125 Subject: Re: Attachment Size You can limit the size of files you download in your email. ... Not every program will do this for you. Plus If my computer decides to close my connection while downloading areallybig file, I get dups of every message downloaded in that session, the nexttimeI sign on. Not bad if it's only five or six, but last time it was 109 dupesthat I had to delete...----------------------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats from robertgkope@attbi.com Tue Dec 25 13:45:49 2001 fBPJjnW06991 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:45:49 - ;Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:45:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Clear Cane I was wondering the same thing Chris. I've been more than happy with thequality I've been getting Andy. No commercial interest, just a satisfiedcustomer. -- Robert----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Clear Cane Where are you guys buying your bamboo from? Chris from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Tue Dec 25 15:24:12 2001 fBPLO7W07938 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 15:24:07 - by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:23:02 -0500 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: Re: Merry Christmas: Cross Salmon Rod Taper Bob: Have you entered this rods information into BRMDP v3.0 yet? If so pleaseexport the taper and email it to me sir. Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life".----- Original Message ----- Subject: Merry Christmas: Cross Salmon Rod Taper Merry Christmas to all on the list. I wish you all happiness and peace inthe coming year. Here is the taper that I promised for the South Bend Cross Model 1927 Light Salmon Rod. It gave me something to do with the wonderful new digitalMitutoyo caliper I recieved today. I must say that I was duly impressed with the dimensions/tolerances on the tip and mid section of this rod. They were almost always dead on. The butt was a bit off, and these are averages of the flats. 9'6" with 6" fighting butt (10' with fighting butt)These dimensions are without varnish. 081 0"097 5118 10135 15150 20166 25187 30208 35246 40255 45260 50277 55288 60297 65314 70343 75374 80379 85395 90408 95430 100430 105430 110"430 114" The grip is 7.25" and the reel seat 3.75." This is a pretty stiff and heavy rod. I am going to give it a shot as a two handed rod as soon as I re-wrapit. It is a bit heavy for single hand overhead casting. Best regards,Bob from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 16:10:15 2001 fBPMAEW08487 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:10:14 -0600 25 Dec 2001 14:10:14 PST Subject: merry christmas The four stages of life: You believe in Santa ClausYou don't believe in Santa ClausYou are Santa ClausYou look like Santa Claus ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from goodaple@cox-internet.com Tue Dec 25 19:18:02 2001 fBQ1I1W10097 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:18:01 -0600 (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 licensedd72657b95c070b1853187e4f5a0d6a7) Subject: Re: Clear Cane Can someone email the prices that Andy is currently charging per bale? Andhow is Imperial cane looking these days? Thanks, Randall R. GregoryNW AR. Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!!!!----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Clear Cane Andy Royer in Seattle. I have been more than satisfied with the quality and size. In two shipments, I have had one reject due to a mysterious absence of power fibers in an otherwise great looking culm. All the rest were suitable buying from him. Jeff Schaeffer from bob@downandacross.com Tue Dec 25 19:46:50 2001 fBQ1knW10580 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:46:49 -0600 Subject: RE: Clear Cane I got 4 bales from Imperial this spring ($740 or so for residentialshipping). This was after seeing some culms brought back by a friend fromGeorge Maurer's. I do not know that this is the same exact stuff, but the 4bales are excellent. Best cane I have seen as a whole. I have been buildinga few more blond/light colored rods now that I have Bret's oven. I have nothad to be too picky with the culms. I have sacrificed several culms to thesaw or to some hairbrained idea. I do not think that any were unsuitable fora rod. They look good, and have good depth of power fibers, better thanmostother suppliers stuff I have seen. Sorry to be critical, and I must add thatI have not seen Andy's cane out this way. I think people who cull a lot fromtheir shipments should consider trying Dan at Imperial.Best regards,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Clear Cane Can someone email the prices that Andy is currently charging per bale? Andhow is Imperial cane looking these days? Thanks, Randall R. Gregory from rextutor@yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 19:59:53 2001 fBQ1xqW10943 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:59:52 -0600 25 Dec 2001 17:59:51 PST Subject: RE: Clear Cane "rod 'akers" How many bamboo stalks are there in the bales you got from Imperial this spring ?thanks--- Bob Maulucci wrote: I got 4 bales from Imperial this spring ($740 or so shipping). This was after seeing some culms broughtback by a friend fromGeorge Maurer's. I do not know that this is the sameexact stuff, but the 4bales are excellent. Best cane I have seen as awhole. I have been buildinga few more blond/light colored rods now that I haveBret's oven. I have nothad to be too picky with the culms. I havesacrificed several culms to thesaw or to some hairbrained idea. I do not think thatany were unsuitable fora rod. They look good, and have good depth of powerfibers, better than mostother suppliers stuff I have seen. Sorry to becritical, and I must add thatI have not seen Andy's cane out this way. I thinkpeople who cull a lot fromtheir shipments should consider trying Dan atImperial.Best regards,Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Of Randall GregorySent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Clear Cane Can someone email the prices that Andy is currentlycharging per bale? Andhow is Imperial cane looking these days? Thanks, Randall R. Gregory __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from bob@downandacross.com Tue Dec 25 20:08:30 2001 fBQ28TW11243 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:08:29 -0600 "rod 'akers" Subject: RE: Clear Cane 10 culms per bale.Happy Holidays, Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Clear Cane How many bamboo stalks are there in the bales you got from Imperial this spring ?thanks from stpete@netten.net Tue Dec 25 21:47:37 2001 fBQ3lbW12045 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:47:37 - for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:50:02 - Subject: Christmas Greetings Best wishes for each and everyone of you and your families at thistime of year. Let us be thankful for what we have, let us reach out tosustain those in want, and let each of us come to know and marvel at thesublime essence of awareness. (Every time I find myself hip deep incold water trying to fool fish I am rejuvenated and reminded to savoreach moment of every day.)Finally, if you live near cold, running water with trout in it, letme come visit you for a week or so! All kidding aside, I don't thinkthere's a person on this list that I wouldn't love to spend time with onthe water - and that includes T.A. Now how's that for Christmas cheer! Rick C. from ajthramer@hotmail.com Wed Dec 26 00:26:02 2001 fBQ6Q1W13543 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:26:01 -0600 Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:25:48 -0800 Wed, 26 Dec 2001 06:25:48 GMT RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Clear Cane FILETIME=[287F6580:01C18DD6] The cane from Andy Royer has been excellent. I think it is about 16-18 per stick. An important consideration would be geographical location as the shipping is so expensive. On another point, there was alot less concern for watermarks by the 'greats' in the past. I am sure there was a limit to their tolerance for that sort of thing but it was much more than it is now. Even at $700/rod I tend to reject quite a bit of cane for fairly minor amounts of staining. For those that sell 1500and up you would have to be very picky in the current market. In the end Payne didn't have anything on the large majority of experienced builders these days.A.J. From: "Bob Maulucci" Subject: RE: Clear CaneDate: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:46:18 -0500 I got 4 bales from Imperial this spring ($740 or so for residentialshipping). This was after seeing some culms brought back by a friend fromGeorge Maurer's. I do not know that this is the same exact stuff, but the 4bales are excellent. Best cane I have seen as a whole. I have been buildinga few more blond/light colored rods now that I have Bret's oven. I have nothad to be too picky with the culms. I have sacrificed several culms to thesaw or to some hairbrained idea. I do not think that any were unsuitable fora rod. They look good, and have good depth of power fibers, better than mostother suppliers stuff I have seen. Sorry to be critical, and I must add thatI have not seen Andy's cane out this way. I think people who cull a lot fromtheir shipments should consider trying Dan at Imperial.Best regards,Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Clear Cane Can someone email the prices that Andy is currently charging per bale? Andhow is Imperial cane looking these days? Thanks, Randall R. Gregory _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com from bennetts@cybermesa.com Wed Dec 26 01:28:03 2001 fBQ7S1W14392 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:28:01 - "Long, Allan W." , "Rusty Hill","Adam Vigil" , ,"Benjamin Dozier" ,"Julie S. Bennett" ,"Design Arts" ,"joy e bennett" ,"C. 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DIRECTIONS ABOVE TO REMOVE IT AND CLEAR YOUR COMPUTER. from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 07:04:54 2001 fBQD4rW17604 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 07:04:53 - Wed, 26 Dec 2001 05:04:45 PST Subject: Re: Virus Alert, Removal Instructions "Long, Allan W." , Rusty Hill ,Adam Vigil , Bamboosfly@aol.com,Benjamin Dozier ,"Julie S. Bennett" ,Design Arts ,joy e bennett ,ANN SnapOn , Jodie Siegel,Elizabeth Bennett ,Esther and Scott , Ed Moody,Ed Moody , Jimmy Blair ,Jocie Siegel , jodie siegel ,jojo@ipa.net, kevej@pacifier.com, Randy Graves ,Leroy Moore ,Lauren Mackson , Mike Janik,Jack Huberman , Tony Larson,Robin Rodar ,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu, royh ,Joti Rodar , Steven Weiss ,Scott Davenport , Leoney Snyder,Sam Rodar , Sam Rodar,steven_rothmann1666@eudoramail.com, Taxann@aol.com,"Timothy B. Currey" ,Tom Sather , tom@hacienda-iron.com,Tim Wilhelm ,Charlie Woodman I am on a computer helpdesk and this virus is a hoax.The file is actually a Windows executable used todecipher long filenames. Bill W. --- "C. Scott Bennett" wrote: I got this computer virus, and chances are you have it too, since you're in my address book. It lies dormant for 14 days, then it kills your hard drive. Here's how to stop it: If you've got it send this to everyone in your address book. The directions for removing it are easy. 1. Go to 'start' - then to 'find or search' (depending on your computer) 2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe -- this is the virus. 3. In the 'look in' make sure you're searching Drive C. 4. Hit 'search' button (or find) 5. If this file shows up (it's an ugly blackish icon that will have the name 'sulfnbk.exe') DO NOT OPEN IT 6. Right click on the file - go down to delete and left click. 7. I will ask you if you want to send it to the recycle bin, say yes. 8. Go to your desktop (where all your icons are) and double click on the recycle bin. 9. Right click on sulfnbk.exe and delete again - or empty the bin. If you find it send this email to all in your address book, because that's how it's transferred. PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY, WE CHECKED OUR COMPUTERAND DID FIND THE VIRUS WAS PASSED ON TO US AND WEARE SENDING YOU THE INFORMATION TO GET RID OF THEVIRUS BEFORE THE 14 DAYS. FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONSABOVE TO REMOVE IT AND CLEAR YOUR COMPUTER. TODAYIS FRIDAY THE 21ST WHEN WE RECEIVED THISNOTIFICATION OF THE VIRUS ALERT. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Wed Dec 26 08:25:59 2001 fBQEPxW19136 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:25:59 - by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:24:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Merry Christmas: Cross Salmon Rod Taper Bob: Thanks for exporting the Cross Tapers for me from the database. Itimportedflawlessly, and I love the look of the 7.5 foot 5 wt rod. Have you made it? Thanks again for exporting and emailing the tapers to me. Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life".----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Merry Christmas: Cross Salmon Rod Taper Joe:Here are both of my Cross rod tapers, the sylph and the salmon rod.Bob from lblove@omniglobal.net Wed Dec 26 08:40:39 2001 fBQEebW19607 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:40:38 - Subject: bench plane angles Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all, During the trip to the folk's house this last weekend,I came in to a #4 bench plane(or believe its a #4).What angle should I sharpen the blade to?Also where can I find other information about the plane? TIABrad from bob@downandacross.com Wed Dec 26 08:58:15 2001 fBQEwEW20111 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:58:14 - Subject: RE: Merry Christmas: Cross Salmon Rod Taper HI Joe:I own the Cross 1500 7'6" rod. Itis very reminiscent of the Dickerson 7613.A nice fast 5/6 rod.The program is working great BTW.Anyone else who would like these tapers, I will send the TDE file to you ifyou reply off list. Thanks,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Merry Christmas: Cross Salmon Rod Taper Bob: Thanks for exporting the Cross Tapers for me from the database. Itimportedflawlessly, and I love the look of the 7.5 foot 5 wt rod. Have you made it? Thanks again for exporting and emailing the tapers to me. Joe from TSmithwick@aol.com Wed Dec 26 09:50:12 2001 fBQFoBW21191 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:50:11 - Subject: Re: bench plane angles fBQFoBW21192 Hi Brad - I just got a Stanley UK #3. The instructions suggest a 25Ÿ primary bevel, and a 30Ÿ secondary bevel. It seems to work fine on cane, at least what little I have done so far.I was pleasantly suprised by the quality, the sole being very flat, and everything lining up well. The only tune up I did was hone the chip breaker to a tighter fit, and adjust the frog to a smaller mouth opening. I may replace the plastic hand grip, though, which might be hard on the hands compared to wood. My hands are not especially big, but are a tight fit on the grip. If the #2's are smaller, I could have a problem.Using two handed tools also opens up some options on scrapers. I have a German made Kunz 112, which appears to be an exact duplicate of the old Stanley 112. I paid $50 for it some years ago, and it appears to be well made. (the price tag was still stuck to it). I don't know if the unit is still sold in the US, but it seems a useful option if it is. from robertgkope@attbi.com Wed Dec 26 10:58:15 2001 fBQGwEW22807 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:58:14 -0600 Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:58:07 +0000 Subject: Re: Clear Cane You can check out Andy's prices at his website (www.bamboobroker.com). Healso has culms he calls "big uglies" that are 2.5-3" in diameter with veryheavy power fiber for $20 per stick, in bundles of 3, if he still has them.They generally have more blemishes than smaller culms. -- Robert Kope----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Clear Cane Can someone email the prices that Andy is currently charging per bale?Andhow is Imperial cane looking these days? Thanks, Randall R. GregoryNW AR. Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!!!!----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schaeffer" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:38 PMSubject: Re: Clear Cane Andy Royer in Seattle. I have been more than satisfied with the quality and size. In two shipments, I have had one reject due to a mysterious absence of power fibers in an otherwise great looking culm. All the rest were suitable perfect buying from him. Jeff Schaeffer from bhoy551@earthlink.net Wed Dec 26 11:29:35 2001 fBQHTYW23773 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:29:34 -0600 Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:29:22 -0500 internet.com,RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Demarest BLue Mark was: Clear Cane FILETIME=[DBA44750:01C18E32] In his book, Bob Milward mentioned "Blue Mark" cane from Demarest, cut about 3 feet from the ground, as a good alternative to standard, ground cut cane. Does any body have any experience, or thoughts, about using this cane for trout rods up to say, 5 or 6 wt? (I suppose blue mark is available? I just checked the demarest website and they only list butt cut cane). Bill At 06:25 AM 12/26/2001 +0000, Allen Thramer wrote: The cane from Andy Royer has been excellent. I think it is about 16-18 per stick. An important consideration would be geographical location as the shipping is so expensive. On another point, there was alot less concern for watermarks by the 'greats' in the past. I am sure there was a limit to their tolerance for that sort of thing but it was much more than it is now. Even at $700/rod I tend to reject quite a bit of cane for fairly minor amounts of staining. current market. In the end Payne didn't have anything on the large majority of experienced builders these days.A.J. From: "Bob Maulucci" Subject: RE: Clear CaneDate: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:46:18 -0500 I got 4 bales from Imperial this spring ($740 or so for residentialshipping). This was after seeing some culms brought back by a friend fromGeorge Maurer's. I do not know that this is the same exact stuff, but the4bales are excellent. Best cane I have seen as a whole. I have been buildinga few more blond/light colored rods now that I have Bret's oven. I have nothad to be too picky with the culms. I have sacrificed several culms to thesaw or to some hairbrained idea. I do not think that any were unsuitablefora rod. They look good, and have good depth of power fibers, better thanmostother suppliers stuff I have seen. Sorry to be critical, and I must add thatI have not seen Andy's cane out this way. I think people who cull a lot fromtheir shipments should consider trying Dan at Imperial.Best regards,Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Clear Cane Can someone email the prices that Andy is currently charging per bale?Andhow is Imperial cane looking these days? Thanks, Randall R. Gregory _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com from rkrees@mcn.net Wed Dec 26 11:39:57 2001 fBQHduW24221 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:39:56 -0600 helo=rkrees.mcn.net) id 16JI1s-0007gr-00; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:39:48 -0800 "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: Clear Cane I myself have not seen any of Andy's Cane but It sure sounds like he has agood product. I can however tell you that Demarest has a top notch productand the best of service anywhere. I would like to add a caution to thisthread and that is to inspect your shipping company. I would suggest thatyou might even call to make sure that they don't do transfer's to otherfirms and if they do find out about these companies as well. Many companiesthat may have great names in the business often use smaller truckingcompaies within your state that may or may not be so good. I have neverreceived a bale that did not have some kind of shipping damage and I havereceived them that have been totally destroyed.Ron from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Dec 26 13:09:54 2001 fBQJ9rW26877 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:09:53 -0600 (authenticated) Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:09:27 -0800 Subject: Re: Demarest BLue Mark was: Clear Cane Bill, I've used the blue mark cane and found it quite nice. In fact, at one timethere was a review on the Demarest's website that had my remarks. Haven'tlookedlately, so it might not be there any longer. Harry Bill Hoy wrote: In his book, Bob Milward mentioned "Blue Mark" cane from Demarest, cutabout 3 feet from the ground, as a good alternative to standard, groundcutcane. Does any body have any experience, or thoughts, about using this cane fortrout rods up to say, 5 or 6 wt? (I suppose blue mark is available? I just checked the demarest website andthey only list butt cut cane). Bill At 06:25 AM 12/26/2001 +0000, Allen Thramer wrote: The cane from Andy Royer has been excellent. I think it is about 16-18perstick. An important consideration would be geographical location as theshipping is so expensive. On another point, there was alot less concern for watermarks by the'greats' in the past. I am sure there was a limit to their tolerance forthat sort of thing but it was much more than it is now. Even at $700/rodItend to reject quite a bit of cane for fairly minor amounts of staining. current market. In the end Payne didn't have anything on the largemajority of experienced builders these days.A.J. From: "Bob Maulucci" Subject: RE: Clear CaneDate: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:46:18 -0500 I got 4 bales from Imperial this spring ($740 or so for residentialshipping). This was after seeing some culms brought back by a friendfromGeorge Maurer's. I do not know that this is the same exact stuff, butthe 4bales are excellent. Best cane I have seen as a whole. I have beenbuildinga few more blond/light colored rods now that I have Bret's oven. I havenothad to be too picky with the culms. I have sacrificed several culms tothesaw or to some hairbrained idea. I do not think that any were unsuitablefora rod. They look good, and have good depth of power fibers, better thanmostother suppliers stuff I have seen. Sorry to be critical, and I must addthatI have not seen Andy's cane out this way. I think people who cull a lotfromtheir shipments should consider trying Dan at Imperial.Best regards,Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu GregorySent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Clear Cane Can someone email the prices that Andy is currently charging per bale?Andhow is Imperial cane looking these days? Thanks, Randall R. Gregory _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 14:17:14 2001 fBQKHDW00878 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:17:13 -0600 26 Dec 2001 12:17:12 PST Subject: Re: Clear Cane "rod 'akers" ...and i have received them with shipping costsattached to them that was more than the canebundles...have had the bundles reclassified as furniture forretail...more costs...have had to drive over 100 milesto pickup the bundles because the trucker decided notto bring them any farther... we are just not verybamboo-friendly in this country. timothy --- "Ronnie L. Rees" wrote: I myself have not seen any of Andy's Cane but Itsure sounds like he has agood product. I can however tell you that Demaresthas a top notch productand the best of service anywhere. I would like toadd a caution to thisthread and that is to inspect your shipping company.I would suggest thatyou might even call to make sure that they don't dotransfer's to otherfirms and if they do find out about these companiesas well. Many companiesthat may have great names in the business often usesmaller truckingcompaies within your state that may or may not be sogood. I have neverreceived a bale that did not have some kind ofshipping damage and I havereceived them that have been totally destroyed.Ron ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from seanmcs@iprimus.com.au Wed Dec 26 14:41:40 2001 fBQKfcW01684 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:41:39 -0600 Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:41:35 +1100 "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: Clear Cane FILETIME=[B5E58B30:01C18E4D] Try shipping to Australia. The freight is not cheap. Then there iscustoms clearance. Also import duty and Goods and Services tax. Plus amandatory government inspection against pests. In all a take home priceof about $US 45 a culm. But, very nice cane from Andy Royer and only abit of split cane that may end up as nodeless. Sean timothy troester wrote: ...and i have received them with shipping costsattached to them that was more than the canebundles...have had the bundles reclassified as furniture forretail...more costs...have had to drive over 100 milesto pickup the bundles because the trucker decided notto bring them any farther... we are just not verybamboo-friendly in this country. timothy --- "Ronnie L. Rees" wrote: I myself have not seen any of Andy's Cane but Itsure sounds like he has agood product. I can however tell you that Demaresthas a top notch productand the best of service anywhere. I would like toadd a caution to thisthread and that is to inspect your shipping company.I would suggest thatyou might even call to make sure that they don't dotransfer's to otherfirms and if they do find out about these companiesas well. Many companiesthat may have great names in the business often usesmaller truckingcompaies within your state that may or may not be sogood. I have neverreceived a bale that did not have some kind ofshipping damage and I havereceived them that have been totally destroyed.Ron ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from gerald@ifree.it Wed Dec 26 14:46:19 2001 fBQKkIW01997 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:46:18 - for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:46:15+0100 Subject: Magazines I am very interested in to find all the back issues of " The Angler'sJournal" magazine.Any suggestion?Thanks,Sergio AlessandriItaly gerald@ifree.it from bob@downandacross.com Wed Dec 26 15:27:24 2001 fBQLRNW03327 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:27:23 - 26 Dec 2001 16:27:17 -0500 Subject: Cross Rods Stetzer's archive.http://www.uwm.edu/~stetzer/Tapers/hexrod- archive.html#crossI would be very interested in seeing any other Cross tapers that listershave. I have only these two and the ones from the Herter's book.Thanks in advance,Bob from teekay35@interlynx.net Wed Dec 26 16:33:56 2001 fBQMXsW08279 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:33:55 -0600 "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: Clear Cane I've purchased Demarest premium cane for my private use and for the GrandGathering. Have no complaints about the quality or their shipping. Thebundles of culms came by a trucking firm selected by Demarest and it lookedafter customs, border clearing, etc. The culms were delivered to acommercial address about 6 miles from my house, where I picked them up. from horsesho@ptd.net Wed Dec 26 19:15:02 2001 fBR1F1W12655 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:15:01 - (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4177. . Clean. Processed in 1.055005 secs); 27 Dec 200101:15:00 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: test from martinrjensen@attbi.com Wed Dec 26 19:31:23 2001 fBR1VMW13195 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:31:22 - ;Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:31:15 +0000 "'Long, Allan W.'" ,"'Rusty Hill'" , "'Adam Vigil'" ,, "'Benjamin Dozier'" ,"'Julie S. Bennett'" ,"'Design Arts'" ,"'joy e bennett'" ,"'ANN SnapOn'" ,"'Jodie Siegel'" ,"'Elizabeth Bennett'" ,"'Esther and Scott'" ,"'Ed Moody'" , "'Ed Moody'" ,"'Jimmy Blair'" ,"'Jocie Siegel'" ,"'jodie siegel'" , , ,"'Randy Graves'" ,"'Leroy Moore'" ,"'Lauren Mackson'" ,"'Mike Janik'" ,"'Jack Huberman'" ,"'Tony Larson'" ,"'Robin Rodar'" ,, "'royh'" ,"'Joti Rodar'" , "'Steven Weiss'","'Scott Davenport'" ,"'Leoney Snyder'" , "'Sam Rodar'","'Sam Rodar'" ,,, "'Timothy B. Currey'" ,"'Tom Sather'" , ,"'Tim Wilhelm'" ,"'Charlie Woodman'" Subject: RE: Virus Alert, Removal Instructions Organization: wish I had some THIS IS A HOAX! Do NOT follow these instructions! before you send out amessage like this to ANYONE, check various sites like www.symantec.com .Just type in the word HOAX into a browser and you will find lots ofpages that explain hoaxes like this. Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- Bamboosfly@aol.com; Benjamin Dozier; Julie S. Bennett; Design Arts; joye bennett; C. Scott Bennett; ANN SnapOn; Jodie Siegel; ElizabethBennett; Esther and Scott; Ed Moody; Ed Moody; Jimmy Blair; JocieSiegel; jodie siegel; jojo@ipa.net; kevej@pacifier.com; Randy Graves;Leroy Moore; Lauren Mackson; Mike Janik; Jack Huberman; Tony Larson;Robin Rodar; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; royh; Joti Rodar; Steven Weiss;Scott Davenport; Leoney Snyder; Sam Rodar; Sam Rodar;steven_rothmann1666@eudoramail.com; Taxann@aol.com; Timothy B.Currey;Tom Sather; tom@hacienda-iron.com; Tim Wilhelm; Charlie WoodmanSubject: Virus Alert, Removal Instructions I got this computer virus, and chances are you have it too, since you're in my address book. It lies dormant for 14 days, then it kills your hard drive. Here's how to stop it: If you've got it send this to everyone in your address book. The directions for removing it are easy. 1. Go to 'start' - then to 'find or search' (depending on your computer) 2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe -- this is the virus. 3. In the 'look in' make sure you're searching Drive C. 4. Hit 'search' button (or find) 5. If this file shows up (it's an ugly blackish icon that will have the name 'sulfnbk.exe') DO NOT OPEN IT 6. Right click on the file - go down to delete and left click. 7. I will ask you if you want to send it to the recycle bin, say yes. 8. Go to your desktop (where all your icons are) and double click on the recycle bin. 9. Right click on sulfnbk.exe and delete again - or empty the bin. If you find it send this email to all in your address book, because that's how it's transferred. PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY, WE CHECKED OUR COMPUTER AND DID FINDTHEVIRUS WAS PASSED ON TO US AND WE ARE SENDING YOU THE INFORMATIONTO GETRID OF THE VIRUS BEFORE THE 14 DAYS. FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS ABOVE TOREMOVE IT AND CLEAR YOUR COMPUTER. TODAY IS FRIDAY THE 21ST WHENWERECEIVED THIS NOTIFICATION OF THE VIRUS ALERT. Message IS A HOAX! Do NOT follow these instructions! before you send out a = this to ANYONE, check various sites like www.symantec.com . Just type inthe = into a browser and you will find lots of pages that explain hoaxes like = Jensen -----Original Message----- owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu = On Behalf Of C. Scott BennettSent: Tuesday,December = Vigil; Bamboosfly@aol.com; Benjamin Dozier; Julie S. Bennett; Design = e bennett; C. Scott Bennett; ANN SnapOn; Jodie Siegel; Elizabeth = Esther and Scott; Ed Moody; Ed Moody; Jimmy Blair; Jocie Siegel; jodie = jojo@ipa.net; kevej@pacifier.com; Randy Graves; Leroy Moore; Lauren = rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; royh; Joti Rodar; Steven Weiss; Scott = Leoney Snyder; Sam Rodar; Sam Rodar; = Taxann@aol.com; Timothy B. Currey; Tom Sather; tom@hacienda-iron.com; = Instructions CHECKED = COMPUTER AND DID FIND THE VIRUS WAS PASSED ON TO US AND WE ARESENDING = INFORMATION TO GET RID OF THE VIRUS BEFORE THE 14 DAYS. DIRECTIONS ABOVE TO REMOVE IT AND CLEAR YOUR COMPUTER. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Dec 26 19:41:44 2001 fBR1fhW13529 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:41:43 -0600 goodaple@cox-internet.com, "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: Clear Cane If the scene in the US is unfriendly the situation here in Aust is outright hostile. Tony At 12:17 PM 12/26/01 -0800, timothy troester wrote: ...and i have received them with shipping costsattached to them that was more than the canebundles...have had the bundles reclassified as furniture forretail...more costs...have had to drive over 100 milesto pickup the bundles because the trucker decided notto bring them any farther... we are just not verybamboo-friendly in this country. timothy --- "Ronnie L. Rees" wrote: I myself have not seen any of Andy's Cane but Itsure sounds like he has agood product. I can however tell you that Demaresthas a top notch productand the best of service anywhere. I would like toadd a caution to thisthread and that is to inspect your shipping company.I would suggest thatyou might even call to make sure that they don't dotransfer's to otherfirms and if they do find out about these companiesas well. Many companiesthat may have great names in the business often usesmaller truckingcompaies within your state that may or may not be sogood. I have neverreceived a bale that did not have some kind ofshipping damage and I havereceived them that have been totally destroyed.Ron ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from seanmcs@iprimus.com.au Wed Dec 26 20:56:17 2001 fBR2uFW14524 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:56:16 -0600 Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:56:13 +1100 goodaple@cox-internet.com, "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: Clear Cane FILETIME=[0B9FCFC0:01C18E82] Ted: Where are you? I am in Sydney Australia. The shipping from WA toAustralia more than doubles the USA cost of cane, and then there are ourlocal charges. But you probably pay the cost of the cane and add say$100 for shipping? Sean Ted wrote: I've purchased Demarest premium cane for my private use and for theGrandGathering. Have no complaints about the quality or their shipping. Thebundles of culms came by a trucking firm selected by Demarest and itlookedafter customs, border clearing, etc. The culms were delivered to acommercial address about 6 miles from my house, where I picked them up. from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Wed Dec 26 22:33:04 2001 fBR4X3W15525 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 22:33:04 - Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:32:58 -0800 Subject: Re: reel seat fillers FILETIME=[8FAECE30:01C18E8F] I have started making reel seats, mostly to see if I could actually do it. Ihave several questions pertaining to wood fillers that I pose to the group: My little Taig lathe has a three-jaw chuck, and I am using square stock, soI had to counterbore the filler first. I mounted it vertically in a drillpress, drilled out half, then switched it end-for-end and drilled out theother side. Then mounted it on a Mandrel, knocked off the edges with a rasp,and turned it. This worked fine, but does anyone have any special tricks forcounterboring? Bits, jigs, etc. Also, I need to mortise the filler. Where can I find a "fingernail bit" andis there another name to this thing? The folks at woodcraft were helpful,but had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned it. thosegetting started. They are not as fancy as some, but seem ideal forbeginners. I picked the least-figured piece to practice on, and it turnedout to have quite a bit of figure once I turned it and applied a coat oftung oil. Definitely good enough for a rod. Now, if I can do metal, I might be on to something. Jeff Schaeffer from carstenjorgensen@mail.dk Wed Dec 26 23:47:52 2001 fBR5lpW16470 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:47:51 - Thu, 27 Dec 2001 06:47:49 +0100 Subject: Re: reel seat fillers fBR5lqW16471 Fingernail bit, try this:http://www.grizzlyindustrial.com/fcgi- bin/lookup.fcgi/products/lookup.cfg?q=item&kw=C1215 regards,carsten jorgensen from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Dec 27 02:23:58 2001 fBR8NuW17920 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 02:23:57 -0600 Subject: Re: Clear Cane goodaple@cox-internet.com, "rod 'akers" Sean,it more more than doubles it now. The $A is lower and GST is now applicable on the entire shipment from go to whoa where as tax and duty used to only apply to the taxable cost of the inland freight and cost upon delivery and no tax on the bamboo itself because it was considered a building or botanical product neither of which used to attract tax but that's not the case now. Depending on the exchange rate you get, the cost of delivery, if you know a customs agent to do the documentation at mate's rates and can get the fumigation done cheap;y as a part of a larger delivery of cockroach infested stuff from Asia and how many culms you get I think you'd be lucky to get if for less than $Aust 130 per culm.In my experience to give people in the US an idea of what that means, IMHO forget the exchange rate, a dollar in the US is the same to an American as a dollar in Aust is in each's own currency. It hurts as much to pay $130 per culm as it would hurt you. Even so, the bamboo is still the cheapest part of the rod but you don't want to waste it. Tony At 02:00 PM 12/27/01 +1100, Sean McSharry wrote: Ted: Where are you? I am in Sydney Australia. The shipping from WA toAustralia more than doubles the USA cost of cane, and then there are ourlocal charges. But you probably pay the cost of the cane and add say$100 for shipping? Sean Ted wrote: I've purchased Demarest premium cane for my private use and for theGrandGathering. Have no complaints about the quality or their shipping. Thebundles of culms came by a trucking firm selected by Demarest and itlookedafter customs, border clearing, etc. The culms were delivered to acommercial address about 6 miles from my house, where I picked themup. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from horsesho@ptd.net Thu Dec 27 04:49:03 2001 fBRAn2W19076 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:49:02 - (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4177. . Clean. Processed in 0.774511 secs); 27 Dec 200110:49:01 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: reel seat fillers I find it faster (for me anyway) to mortise the reelseat filler with a mallet and chisel then with a router, jig and router table. That is if I count the set up time. If I could leave everything set up all the time this would not be the case or if I made a bunch of fillers at a time. I do them one at a time as needed. Best, Marty Jeff Schaeffer wrote: I have started making reel seats, mostly to see if I could actually do it. Ihave several questions pertaining to wood fillers that I pose to the group: My little Taig lathe has a three-jaw chuck, and I am using square stock, soI had to counterbore the filler first. I mounted it vertically in a drillpress, drilled out half, then switched it end-for-end and drilled out theother side. Then mounted it on a Mandrel, knocked off the edges with arasp,and turned it. This worked fine, but does anyone have any special tricks forcounterboring? Bits, jigs, etc. Also, I need to mortise the filler. Where can I find a "fingernail bit" andis there another name to this thing? The folks at woodcraft were helpful,but had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned it. thosegetting started. They are not as fancy as some, but seem ideal forbeginners. I picked the least-figured piece to practice on, and it turnedout to have quite a bit of figure once I turned it and applied a coat oftung oil. Definitely good enough for a rod. Now, if I can do metal, I might be on to something. Jeff Schaeffer from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Thu Dec 27 07:13:51 2001 fBRDDoW20693 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:13:50 - Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:13:15 -0500 Subject: Re: reel seat fillers My Sherline has a wood spur that I can use, so I take the 3 jaw chuck offand use the spur to turn the insert round, but not to final dimensions. Ijust turn it enough to make it round. Then I put the 3 jaw chuck back inand bore the hole. Once bored I remove the jaws again and use a pen mandrelwith a morse taper on one end. That fits in the spindle of the lathe. I'vehad to turn a couple of bushing's to make the 1/4" rod fit in the hole I'vebored in the insert. Now I turn the insert down to size. Doing it thisway guarantees that the hole and the outside of the insert are concentric. from there depends on the type of reel seat I'm making. Which may includetaking it over to the router table and mortising it or just sanding it onthe mandrel. Tim----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: reel seat fillers I have started making reel seats, mostly to see if I could actually do it. I have several questions pertaining to wood fillers that I pose to the group: My little Taig lathe has a three-jaw chuck, and I am using square stock, so I had to counterbore the filler first. I mounted it vertically in a drillpress, drilled out half, then switched it end-for-end and drilled out theother side. Then mounted it on a Mandrel, knocked off the edges with a rasp, and turned it. This worked fine, but does anyone have any special tricks for counterboring? Bits, jigs, etc. Also, I need to mortise the filler. Where can I find a "fingernail bit" and is there another name to this thing? The folks at woodcraft were helpful,but had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned it. those getting started. They are not as fancy as some, but seem ideal forbeginners. I picked the least-figured piece to practice on, and it turnedout to have quite a bit of figure once I turned it and applied a coat oftung oil. Definitely good enough for a rod. Now, if I can do metal, I might be on to something. Jeff Schaeffer from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Dec 27 08:14:07 2001 fBREE5W21492 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:14:06 - Subject: WARNING Sydney - Hobart yacht race NOT RODMAKING If you can take a look at the current state of the race on TV in the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race. This year it's also a leg in the Volvo Round The World Challange. These boats are well ahead of the rest of the fleet due to them being greyhounds (the dog not the bus).Nicorete had a complete knockdown with the mast in the water but not a roll due to a 70 knot squall from nowhere followed by a 300 foot waterspout last night and stayed within sight of them for quite a long time into the morning.There is footage of the waterspout just a few hundred yards of the boat that I'm sure one of the stations will show simply because it's so amazing to see, certainly I've never seen the like. None of the crew look very happy at all [:-)] Amazingly all the damage they got was a blown mainsail. Pretty lucky to still have a mast. Been plenty pack it in by now though so as plenty will retire from the race even though the rest of the fleet not being in the same class of the round the world yachts and there for not as fast and a long way North of the real action are still only dealing with 30-35 knots with 7 meter swells.It's keeping it's reputation as being a real sled race. Like I wrote, check it out if you can. Real wide eyed stuff. Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from rmoon@ida.net Thu Dec 27 08:38:22 2001 fBREcLW22215 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:38:21 - 0000 Subject: Re: WARNING Sydney - Hobart yacht race NOT RODMAKING TonyOn our TV this morning. AwsomeRalph --WWW.ida.net/users/rmoon/Symposium from eamon_lee@hotmail.com Thu Dec 27 11:02:51 2001 fBRH2oW26540 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:02:50 - Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:02:41 -0800 Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:02:40 GMT Subject: Whitehead Article FILETIME=[4B76B930:01C18EF8] All-There is a new periodical out by Paul Schmookler/The Complete Sportsman called Angling Art or something to that effect. It is a quarterly publication and it's $10 an issue (Schmook isn't cheap) but it's top notch all the way. There is an article on D. Whitehead and the photography is stunning. Check it out if you have a chance. No fin. int., although some of my salmon flies are in a picture, no credit though ;-(Anonymously yours,Eamon _________________________________________________________________Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com from Grhghlndr@aol.com Thu Dec 27 12:03:19 2001 fBRI3HW00268 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:03:17 - Subject: reel seats rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu I just got done mounting two reelseats to new rods I am working on and I was reflecting on the quality that I was looking at. I have used many reelseats in the past and I have seen other people's reelseats as well, but Bob Venneri's reelseats are some of the best I have ever seen. The only other reelseats that I have seen that I even consider to be as good are Dave Leclair's. The new rod that I got from Dave has his new reelseat design and it is a work of art. One day I may make my own reelseats, but in between building rods, building guns, tying flies, making the tools I make for rod building, guiding, going to school, etc. I just don't have the time to make them, yet. You can be assured I will never buy a reelseat from another source as long as these two guys are making them. I have put a picture here of Dave Leclair's reelseat that is on the new rod I got from him.Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ I just got done mountingtwo reelseats to new rods I am working on and I was reflecting on the quality seen other people's reelseats as well, but Bob Venneri's reelseats are some One day I may make my own reelseats, but in between building rods, buildingguns, tying flies, making the tools I make for rod building, guiding, going to assured I will never buy a reelseat from another source as long as these twoguys are making them. I have put a picture here of Dave Leclair's reelseatthat is on the new rod I got from him.Bret from darrell@vFish.net Thu Dec 27 13:04:56 2001 fBRJ4uW03530 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:04:56 - Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:04:48 -0600 Subject: RE: Whitehead Article It is a gorgeous journal and is called Art of Angling Journal. This is thePremier Edition and if anyone knows about the Schmookler books, then theyknow the superb quality of this publication. The article on Darryl's work isreason enough to buy the journal. There's also an article on Arne Mason'swork... he creates some amazing leather cases for reels and rods... Darryl, I had no idea how beautiful your rods are! Congrats on yourinclusion in the journal! It can be found at http://www.vfish.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=VS&Product_Code=AOAJPE Regards, Darrell LeeAnglers Collectibles Exchangehttp://www.vfish.netInfo & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 U.S. Toll-Free Order Line (877) 452-2420 ==================Angling, collecting & rod making books at:http://www.vfish.net/files/acebooks7.PDF================== -----Original Message----- Subject: Whitehead Article All-There is a new periodical out by Paul Schmookler/The Complete Sportsmancalled Angling Art or something to that effect. It is a quarterlypublication and it's $10 an issue (Schmook isn't cheap) but it's top notchall the way. There is an article on D. Whitehead and the photography isstunning. Check it out if you have a chance. No fin. int., although some ofmy salmon flies are in a picture, no credit though ;-(Anonymously yours,Eamon _________________________________________________________________Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com from bob@downandacross.com Thu Dec 27 13:32:28 2001 fBRJWRW04704 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:32:27 - ,, Subject: RE: reel seats another pic not a virus! They look awesome, Joe. I like the cork check out of the wood. Nice recessedknurl as well.Honestly, I think you should go into photography and make life easier on allus rodmaker guys. We can't keep up with you. (I can't).Bob -----Original Message----- Eastkoyfly@aol.com twilhelm@occasionalrod.com; jsschaeffer@hotmail.com;rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: reel seats another pic not a virus! Hi All,I have been making the seats for my rods for sometimenow. I wouldlike your opinions on this design I have been working on Joseph A Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com5733 Griffith Rd.Portageville,NY 14536716-493-2637 from bob@downandacross.com Thu Dec 27 13:32:29 2001 fBRJWSW04708 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:32:28 - 27 Dec 2001 14:32:21 -0500 Subject: RE: Whitehead Article Here is a link to the homepage. http://www.artofangling.com/I will be getting one for sure.Bob from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Thu Dec 27 13:35:30 2001 fBRJZTW05276 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:35:30 - Subject: Re: reel seats another pic not a virus! twilhelm@occasionalrod.com, jsschaeffer@hotmail.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Guys, I do not sell real seats I just thought some of you would like to see stuff I am working on. I did not show the pic to try to sell reelseats. I really just want some opinions so I can improve. Joseph A Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com5733 Griffith Rd.Portageville,NY 14536716-493-2637 from dpeaston@wzrd.com Thu Dec 27 17:30:04 2001 fBRNU3W11344 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:30:03 - twilhelm@occasionalrod.com, jsschaeffer@hotmail.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: reel seats another pic not a virus! Hi Guys, I am the lucky recipient of a rod with one of these beautiful seats. Best Christmas in some years! I can testify that the seats are as beautiful as the pictures! Hey Joe, is that my rod? -Doug At 01:43 PM 12/27/2001 -0500, Eastkoyfly@aol.com wrote: Hi All,I have been making the seats for my rods for sometime now. I wouldlike your opinions on this design I have been working on Joseph A Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com5733 Griffith Rd.Portageville,NY 14536716-493-2637 from horsesho@ptd.net Thu Dec 27 17:33:10 2001 fBRNXAW11599 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:33:10 - v4.1.60/v4177. . Clean. Processed in 1.223075 secs); 27 Dec 200123:33:09 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: reel seat fillers No , I use a VERY SHARP 3/8" or 5/16"straight chisel. Once the barrell is turned I remove the piece from the lathe and mount it in a vise (plastic or wood jawed). I trace a reel foot on the barrell and expand it by 1/8"-3/16". I use a knife to slice down each mark. I then use a mallet and chisel to work my way down each side. If I am "lifting" wood I remove the piece and turn it in the other direction. Once the mortise is formed on each side I use the chisel free hand to hog out the center while forming a thumbnail shape. Where the mortise merges with the cylinder I bevel this on an angle. I check my work with a straight edge and the reel foot. Once formed I finish with different grades of sand paper (150 grit to 400 grit). It takes about 40 min. from start to finish. Marty Bill Hoy wrote: Hi, Marty.Would you care to expand on this on-list? I assume you are using a 1/2 inch or 5/8-inch gouge to do the mortise. Am I right? Bill At 05:48 AM 12/27/2001 -0500, you wrote: I find it faster (for me anyway) to mortise the reelseat filler with a mallet and chisel then with a router, jig and router table. That is if I count the set up time. If I could leave everything set up all the time this would not be the case or if I made a bunch of fillers at a time. I do them one at a time as needed. Best, Marty Jeff Schaeffer wrote: I have started making reel seats, mostly to see if I could actually do it. Ihave several questions pertaining to wood fillers that I pose to the group: My little Taig lathe has a three-jaw chuck, and I am using square stock, soI had to counterbore the filler first. I mounted it vertically in a drillpress, drilled out half, then switched it end-for-end and drilled out theother side. Then mounted it on a Mandrel, knocked off the edges with a rasp,and turned it. This worked fine, but does anyone have any special tricks forcounterboring? Bits, jigs, etc. Also, I need to mortise the filler. Where can I find a "fingernail bit" andis there another name to this thing? The folks at woodcraft were helpful,but had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned it. getting started. They are not as fancy as some, but seem ideal forbeginners. I picked the least-figured piece to practice on, and it turnedout to have quite a bit of figure once I turned it and applied a coat oftung oil. Definitely good enough for a rod. Now, if I can do metal, I might be on to something. Jeff Schaeffer from LECLAIR123@aol.com Thu Dec 27 17:36:35 2001 fBRNaYW11901 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:36:34 - Subject: Re: reel seats another pic not a virus! twilhelm@occasionalrod.com, jsschaeffer@hotmail.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Joseph,Wow! That's a nice seat you made there. It looks likeyou've hit the nail on the head. Keep up the good work. Dave L. http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from LECLAIR123@aol.com Thu Dec 27 17:41:04 2001 fBRNf3W12203 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:41:03 - Subject: Re: reel seat fillers In a message dated 12/26/2001 11:33:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, jsschaeffer@hotmail.com writes: Hi Joe,You can get the fingernail bit you want fromGrizzly imports. The part # is C1215 with a 1/4 in. shaft.They bought Cascade Tools, who originally sold this bit. I'm pretty sure they still use that same part number. Dave L. http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from horsesho@ptd.net Thu Dec 27 17:45:17 2001 fBRNjGW12454 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:45:16 - (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4177. . Clean. Processed in 0.651425 secs); 27 Dec 200123:45:16 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Harry's Christmas Greeting Hi all, I upgraded my computer (I should say my Brother-in-Law upgraded my computer) and in the process lost Harry's Christmas Greeting. If someone still has it would you please send it to me as I did not get a chance to read it. Thanks, Marty from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Thu Dec 27 17:54:10 2001 fBRNs9W12814 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:54:09 - Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:54:03 -0800 ,, Subject: Re: reel seats another pic not a virus! FILETIME=[C387F040:01C18F31] I saved that picture in my "designs to copy shamelessly" folder. Jeff from andy@w-link.net Thu Dec 27 18:01:16 2001 fBS01EW13151 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:01:15 -0600 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:01:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Clear Cane (If I may chime in) All, "Clear" is the cane we all want to see. Arguments exist with concerns as toexactly what is clear but I think that the cleanest cane we could imagine iscane that would make a blond rod with zero visible "water"- marks/blemishes. Go to the "organic" section in a produce section to find the apples and tryto find one with ZERO visible marks on it. Bamboo is organic and its marksare inherent. I think the job of any importer of tonkin is to find and sellthe best bamboo available. That is all any of us can do. Virtually blemishfree bamboo does exist. I've seen approximately 50 pieces of it whilesorting through over 30,000 poles. Seriously. Less than two piecesper thousand. I hear as many stories of "the perfect cane of yesteryear" as anyone andnote a few things. First, that history is pliable. You should hear abouthow good looking some of my ex girlfriends get as the years go by. Second,companies in the business of producing cane rods may use more than oneculmper finished rod; even if they only get two strips per culm they could makea rod void of blems. Also, there is more tonkin being farmed in southernChina now than ever before. In the 1920's, when F.A. McClure first saw andnamed tonkin, there were approximately 15,000 acres on tonkin growing inthat region. When L. Marden went to that same area in 1972, there wereover40,000 acres of tonkin being farmed and there are now over 70,000 of thiscrop grown in the same region. When travelling through the tonkin growingareas, I have seen a lot of tonkin groves that look ill. Entire hillsidesof sickly looking tonkin. This is a commodity farm crop in a very poorregion of the planet. Many farmers will grow the bamboo without working togrow very good bamboo. Remember that for 90% of the tonkin market, theappearance of the pole is not important, a cheap price is what is ofparamount importance to the buyers. Thereby focusing some farmers onquantity, not quality. More bamboo grown by eager hands equals, in myopinion, more bamboo of poor quality. On my fist visit to China in '97, many of the poles I inspected still had"farmer's" marks on them. Over and over again, I found poles of very highquality and upon closer inspection, saw the same farm's mark on it (thismark is a brand, noting the farm or land from where the bamboo hails). Thisfarm (actually a collective of farmers from a family or village) seemed tobe getting something right and was growing very nice bamboo. Again andagain, I saw the same mark on the best bamboo. When I returned to thestates, I visited a production rod company who had a large collection ofbamboo from the 1930's. Upon inspecting some of their poles, I saw one in apile that seemed of above average quality. I pulled it out of its pile andsaw, on the lower third of the pole, that very same farm's mark! I do not know what causes the marks in discussion here. I do believe thatwater is not the most common villain. My theory is that most marks arescratches and bruises which occur in the first year of the bamboo's life.In this first season, the bamboo is growing very rapidly and has a very highpercentage of water content, making it very pliable and prone to marking.Tonkin grows on steep, crowded and often windy hillsides, the poles getknocked around an awful lot. When I told the Chinese that people wantedcane without marks on them they laughed and told me that perhaps theyshould ask their wives to knit sweaters for the bamboo growing on thehillsides to protect it (yes I considered it but we couldn't agree on athread colour). Once harvested, the cane is not babied; it is manhandledand striped of its branches, it is thrown down hillsides, dragged up anddown rocky trails, splashed down rivers, banged around on tractors andgenerally treated as a commodity piece of lumber would be here in thestates. And then there are the shipping companies here on this side ofthe equation... Again, it is the job of the tonkin importers to sell the best caneavailable. "Perfect" cane is just too incredibly rare to focus ourbusinesses on. For me, constant input from my customers is necessary tocontinuously take into account what is needed from the cane I sell."Clear-ness" is slightly ambiguous since so little cane is perfectly clear.Keep in close touch with your seller and let them know what you need. Cordially, Andy RoyerThe Bamboo Broker206.463.1273www.bamboobroker.com (the website is in need of updating, please contactmepersonally for more up-to- date information, thank you.) from channer@frontier.net Thu Dec 27 20:12:30 2001 fBS2CTW14856 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:12:29 -0600 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:27:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Clear Cane (If I may chime in) I would add one thing to what Andy has said. The big productioncompanies of days gone by bought this stuff by the railroad car load,with that kind of quantity you can afford to cull like crazy and pickyour best bamboo for your top models. john Andy Royer wrote: All, "Clear" is the cane we all want to see. from lblan@provide.net Thu Dec 27 20:21:17 2001 fBS2LHW15161 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:21:17 - for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:21:15 - Subject: RE: reel seats another pic not a virus! Wow! I think we've been the victims of a drive-by gloat! [:)] Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu EastonSent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:30 PM twilhelm@occasionalrod.com; jsschaeffer@hotmail.com;rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: reel seats another pic not a virus! Hi Guys, I am the lucky recipient of a rod with one of these beautiful seats. BestChristmas in some years! I can testify that the seats are as beautiful asthe pictures! Hey Joe, is that my rod? -Doug At 01:43 PM 12/27/2001 -0500, Eastkoyfly@aol.com wrote: Hi All,I have been making the seats for my rods for sometime now. I would like your opinions on this design I have been working on Joseph A Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com5733 Griffith Rd.Portageville,NY 14536716-493-2637 from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Thu Dec 27 21:18:09 2001 fBS3I8W15869 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:18:08 -0600 Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:18:01 -0500 Subject: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems Maybe some of you can help me understand what I am up against and how tosolve my problem. Got some nice looking tiger maple, well figured, that I wanted to make a rodcase out of. Ran some of it through my 12" planner tonight and was gettingsome pretty good digs out of it. Is there a secret to planing this stuff or is the secret not to run itthrough a planner? My hope was to resaw it to just over 1/4" thick and thenlet the planner take the last little bit. The way I'm approaching it nowisn't going to work. Tim from lblan@provide.net Thu Dec 27 21:23:45 2001 fBS3NiW16158 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:23:44 -0600 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:23:43 -0500 Subject: RE: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems I've heard lots of complaints, with the usual advice, turn it, sharp blades,small cuts, etc. Know anyone with a Performax type sander? Or, you can goborrow Tony Young's plane collection, hand planes work real well on grainthat isn't sure where it wants to go. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems Maybe some of you can help me understand what I am up against and howtosolve my problem. Got some nice looking tiger maple, well figured, that I wanted tomake a rodcase out of. Ran some of it through my 12" planner tonight andwas gettingsome pretty good digs out of it. Is there a secret to planing this stuff or is the secret not to run itthrough a planner? My hope was to resaw it to just over 1/4"thick and thenlet the planner take the last little bit. The way I'm approaching it nowisn't going to work. Tim from flytyr@southshore.com Thu Dec 27 21:30:48 2001 fBS3UmW16470 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:30:48 - fBS3Ukc10745 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:30:46 -0600 Subject: Reel Seat Fillers Jeff,You can get a Spur to fit the head stock or use itin your 3 jaw chuck.Thiswill have four tangs on it that will dig into theend of the block to turnit.One end of the block on the Spur and the other endin the tail stockcenter. Iuse a live center in the tail stock. If you needany shots of the Spur andFingernail setup let me know. I can send you some. Router from HarborFreight anduse it as a dedicated set up. I have one set upthat stays set up, nofiddlingwith adjusting each time I want to use it.Set up the block between the Spur and tail stock.Turn the block to 3/4"OD. Putit in a 3/4" collet, a three jaw chuck will do thesame. The drill is setupisin the tail stock. On advise of a list member, Ipurchased several sizeParabolic drill bits, these work a lot better thana standard drill bits. Ialsofound the Black and Decker Bullet drill bits workgood. After the 3/8" holeisbored the blank is slipped on a 3/8" home mademandrill and the blank isturnedand finish sanded to 11/16".The mandrill with the blank is then removed as oneassembly and theassembly isinstalled in the end blocks for mortising. Thismakes it easy to make theinserts.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jeff Schaeffer wrote: I have started making reel seats, mostly to see if I could actually doit. I have several questions pertaining to wood fillers that I pose to thegroup: My little Taig lathe has a three-jaw chuck, and I am using square stock,so I had to counterbore the filler first. I mounted it vertically in a drill press, drilled out half, then switched it end-for-end and drilled out the other side. Then mounted it on a Mandrel, knocked off the edges with arasp, and turned it. This worked fine, but does anyone have any special tricksfor counterboring? Bits, jigs, etc. Also, I need to mortise the filler. Where can I find a "fingernail bit"and is there another name to this thing? The folks at woodcraft were helpful, but had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned it. pen turning blanks forthose getting started. They are not as fancy as some, but seem ideal for beginners. I picked the least-figured piece to practice on, and it turned out to have quite a bit of figure once I turned it and applied a coat of tung oil. Definitely good enough for a rod. Now, if I can do metal, I might be on to something. Jeff Schaeffer from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Dec 27 21:40:22 2001 fBS3eKW16780 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:40:21 - rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: reel seat fillers That work is truly excellent. Especially as it's done free hand. Tony At 06:33 PM 12/27/01 -0500, Marty D. wrote: No , I use a VERY SHARP 3/8" or 5/16"straight chisel. Once the barrell is turned I remove the piece from the lathe and mount it in a vise (plastic or wood jawed). I trace a reel foot on the barrell and expand it and chisel to work my way down each side. If I am "lifting" wood I remove the piece and turn it in the other direction. Once the mortise is formed on each side I use the chisel free hand to hog out the center while forming a thumbnail shape. Where the mortise merges with the cylinder I bevel this on an angle. I check my work with a straight edge and the reel foot. Once formed I finish with different grades of sand paper (150 grit to 400 grit). It takes about 40 min. from start to finish. Marty Bill Hoy wrote: Hi, Marty.Would you care to expand on this on-list? I assume you are using a 1/2 inch or 5/8-inch gouge to do the mortise. Am I right? /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from crmitchell@ocsonline.com Thu Dec 27 21:46:59 2001 fBS3kwW17096 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:46:58 - for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:51:32 -0500 Subject: Reel Seat fillers Jeff: the best source I've found fro router bits is Woodline Arizona,Inc., 800- 472-6950. These folks sell nothing but router bits. The 1/2"fingernail bit with 1/4" shank is $13.00, #WL-1091. This is carbide,ball bearing, anti- kickback design, which is critical to me. Same day shipping. I have bought a number of their bits and have beenpleased wtih all. I'm sparing with praise, but these people have itall together! from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Dec 27 21:53:53 2001 fBS3rqW17419 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:53:52 -0600 Subject: RE: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems Larry's right. A plane would likely be your best bet. A high angle blade plane would be best I'd think. If you're not against the idea it may be a good time to try your hand at trying to make a wooden bodied plane to do the job. That's the advantage of making them to suit.If you're open to the idea take a look at Ron Hock's home page where he (used to at least) have plans and kits for them. They are simply Krenov style planes which are very simple but also very good planes to use. Try making the angle of attack a bit higher than normal.If you have access to a band saw you could have one made in about 2 hrs. Tony At 10:26 PM 12/27/01 -0500, Larry Blan wrote: I've heard lots of complaints, with the usual advice, turn it, sharp blades,small cuts, etc. Know anyone with a Performax type sander? Or, you can goborrow Tony Young's plane collection, hand planes work real well on grainthat isn't sure where it wants to go. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems Maybe some of you can help me understand what I am up against and howtosolve my problem. Got some nice looking tiger maple, well figured, that I wanted tomake a rodcase out of. Ran some of it through my 12" planner tonight andwas gettingsome pretty good digs out of it. Is there a secret to planing this stuff or is the secret not to run itthrough a planner? My hope was to resaw it to just over 1/4"thick and thenlet the planner take the last little bit. The way I'm approaching it nowisn't going to work. Tim /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from channer@frontier.net Thu Dec 27 22:18:42 2001 fBS4IfW17973 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:18:41 -0600 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:33:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems Tim;What gives tiger maple it's figure is the grain curling and coming backto the surface of the board, you are almost planing end grain. Resaw it,then sand it to take out hte saw marks. Check around at your localcustom cabinet shops, some of them will have a wide belt sander thatthey can run it thru for a fee.john Tim Wilhelm wrote: Maybe some of you can help me understand what I am up against and howtosolve my problem. Got some nice looking tiger maple, well figured, that I wanted to make a rodcase out of. Ran some of it through my 12" planner tonight and wasgettingsome pretty good digs out of it. Is there a secret to planing this stuff or is the secret not to run itthrough a planner? My hope was to resaw it to just over 1/4" thick andthenlet the planner take the last little bit. The way I'm approaching it nowisn't going to work. Tim from caneman@clnk.com Fri Dec 28 00:33:52 2001 fBS6XpW19385 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:33:51 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "Tim Wilhelm" Subject: Re: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems Tim,I resaw mine on a band saw to 1/4" thick then load it all up, take it toa local cabinet shop, have them run it through a huge sander that they useto put a finish sand on cabinet doors and take it down to 3/16". I tried aplaner also and got the same thing you did, digs all in it. The finishsander leaves it smooth as the top of my head! *S*I don't know how much they might normally charge for doing this, but Ijust take enough for 2 or 3 cases down to them along with a 12 pack ofMichelob and they do it with a smile. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems Maybe some of you can help me understand what I am up against and howtosolve my problem. Got some nice looking tiger maple, well figured, that I wanted to make a rod case out of. Ran some of it through my 12" planner tonight and was getting some pretty good digs out of it. Is there a secret to planing this stuff or is the secret not to run itthrough a planner? My hope was to resaw it to just over 1/4" thick and then let the planner take the last little bit. The way I'm approaching it nowisn't going to work. Tim from horsesho@ptd.net Fri Dec 28 05:26:03 2001 fBSBQ2W21691 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:26:02 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4177. . Clean. Processed in 1.322683 secs); 28 Dec 200111:26:01 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: reel seat fillers --------------090806090804040504000302 Hi John, I have had a router, fingernail bit, and router table for some time and have made seats with it. I use the router and table at my "real job" so it is not always available in my shop.It seems by the time I get the stuff together I can "wittle a seat". Marty channer wrote: Marty;Get a router and a fingernail bit and dedicate the setup to makingmortices in reelseat fillers, it shouldn't take you more than about aminute, half of that being mounting the filler in a jig to run past therouter bit. Unless, of course, the process of doing it by hand istherapeutic.john "Marty D." wrote: No , I use a VERY SHARP 3/8" or 5/16"straight chisel. Once thebarrell is turned I remove the piece from the lathe and mount it in avise (plastic or wood jawed). I trace a reel foot on the barrell andexpand it by 1/8"-3/16". I use a knife to slice down each mark. I thenuse a mallet and chisel to work my way down each side. If I am "lifting"wood I remove the piece and turn it in the other direction. Once themortise is formed on each side I use the chisel free hand to hog out thecenter while forming a thumbnail shape. Where the mortise merges withthe cylinder I bevel this on an angle. I check my work with a straightedge and the reel foot. Once formed I finish with different grades ofsand paper (150 grit to 400 grit). It takes about 40 min. from start tofinish. Marty Bill Hoy wrote: Hi, Marty.Would you care to expand on this on-list? I assume you are using a 1/2inch or 5/8-inch gouge to do the mortise. Am I right? Bill At 05:48 AM 12/27/2001 -0500, you wrote: I find it faster (for me anyway) to mortise the reelseat filler witha mallet and chisel then with a router, jig and router table. That isif I count the set up time. If I could leave everything set up allthe time this would not be the case or if I made a bunch of fillersat a time. I do them one at a time as needed. Best, Marty Jeff Schaeffer wrote: I have started making reel seats, mostly to see if I could actuallydo it. Ihave several questions pertaining to wood fillers that I pose to thegroup: My little Taig lathe has a three-jaw chuck, and I am using squarestock, soI had to counterbore the filler first. I mounted it vertically in adrillpress, drilled out half, then switched it end-for-end and drilledout theother side. Then mounted it on a Mandrel, knocked off the edges witha rasp,and turned it. This worked fine, but does anyone have any specialtricks forcounterboring? Bits, jigs, etc. Also, I need to mortise the filler. Where can I find a "fingernailbit" andis there another name to this thing? The folks at woodcraft werehelpful,but had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned it. getting started. They are not as fancy as some, but seem ideal forbeginners. I picked the least-figured piece to practice on, and itturnedout to have quite a bit of figure once I turned it and applied acoat oftung oil. Definitely good enough for a rod. Now, if I can do metal, I might be on to something. Jeff Schaeffer --------------090806090804040504000302 Hi John, I have had a router, fingernail bit, and router table for some timeand have made seats with it. I use the router and table at my "real job"so it is not always available in my shop.It seems by the time I get the stufftogether I can "wittle a seat". Marty channer wrote: Marty;Get a router and a fingernail bit and dedicate thesetup to makingmortices in reelseat fillers, it shouldn't take you morethan about aminute, half of that being mounting the filler in a jig to runpast therouter bit. Unless, of course, the process of doing it by handistherapeutic.john"Marty D." wrote: No , I use a VERY SHARP 3/8" or 5/16"straight chisel. Oncethebarrell is turned I remove the piece from the lathe and mount it inavise (plastic or wood jawed). I trace a reel foot on the barrellandexpand it by 1/8"-3/16". I use a knife to slice down each mark. Ithenuse a mallet and chisel to work my way down each side. If I am"lifting"wood I remove the piece and turn it in the other direction. Oncethemortise is formed on each side I use the chisel free hand to hog outthecenter while forming a thumbnail shape. Where the mortise mergeswiththe cylinder I bevel this on an angle. I check my work with astraightedge and the reel foot. Once formed I finish with differentgrades ofsand paper (150 grit to 400 grit). It takes about 40 min. fromstart tofinish. MartyBill Hoy wrote: Hi, Marty.Would you care to expand on this on-list? Iassume you are using a 1/2inch or 5/8-inch gouge to do the mortise.Am I right?BillAt 05:48 AM 12/27/2001 -0500, youwrote: I find it faster (for me anyway) to mortise the reelseat fillerwitha mallet and chisel then with a router, jig and router table. Thatisif I count the set up time. If I could leave everything set up allthetime this would not be the case or if I made a bunch of fillersat a time. Ido them one at a time as needed. Best, MartyJeff Schaefferwrote: I have started making reel seats, mostly to see if I couldactuallydo it. Ihave several questions pertaining to wood fillers thatI pose to thegroup:My little Taig lathe has a three-jaw chuck,and I am using squarestock, soI had to counterbore the filler first. Imounted it vertically in adrillpress, drilled out half, then switched itend-for-end and drilledout theother side. Then mounted it on aMandrel, knocked off the edges witha rasp,and turned it. Thisworked fine, but does anyone have any specialtricksforcounterboring? Bits, jigs, etc.Also, I need to mortise thefiller. Where can I find a "fingernailbit" andis there another name tothis thing? The folks at woodcraft werehelpful,but had no idea whatI was talking about when I mentioned it.By the way, I recommendwoodcraft figured-maple pen turning blanksfor thosegettingstarted. They are not as fancy as some, but seem ideal forbeginners. I picked the least-figured pieceto practice on, and itturnedout to have quite a bit of figure once Iturned it and applied acoat oftung oil. Definitely good enough for arod.Now, if I can do metal, I might be on to something.JeffSchaeffer --------------090806090804040504000302-- from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Fri Dec 28 07:10:18 2001 fBSDAHW22669 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:10:18 -0600 by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:09:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems Tim: My grandfather used to get a lot of tiger maple to use for woodworkingprojects, and he would just take it to a local shop that had a big sandingmachine. He would first cut it down close to final dimension and then allow Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life".----- Original Message ----- Subject: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems Maybe some of you can help me understand what I am up against and howtosolve my problem. Got some nice looking tiger maple, well figured, that I wanted to make a rod case out of. Ran some of it through my 12" planner tonight and was getting some pretty good digs out of it. Is there a secret to planing this stuff or is the secret not to run itthrough a planner? My hope was to resaw it to just over 1/4" thick and then let the planner take the last little bit. The way I'm approaching it nowisn't going to work. Tim from dmanders@telusplanet.net Fri Dec 28 07:40:26 2001 fBSDeQW23272 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:40:26 -0600 (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with Subject: Help - blatant commercial Hi, Got a whole selection of Perfection guides from years ago that were madebefore the chrome formula was changed. Missing size # 2. Got severalhundred of 4,3,1,1/0. Anybody got some #2's from years ago they would like to trade/sell/barteror failing that, anyone got a home for the ones I've got? Sorry folks, got commercial interest. Hope this is not inappropriate behavior. catch ya' Don ffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Fri Dec 28 09:03:34 2001 fBSF3XW24698 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:03:34 -0600 Subject: Re: reel seats another pic not a virus! twilhelm@occasionalrod.com,jsschaeffer@hotmail.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Bob,Nah, photography is just a hobby. Bamboo is a way of life! Joseph A Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com5733 Griffith Rd.Portageville,NY 14536716-493-2637 from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Fri Dec 28 09:31:35 2001 fBSFVZW25592 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:31:35 -0600 Subject: Re: reel seats another pic not a virus! twilhelm@occasionalrod.com, jsschaeffer@hotmail.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Doug,I am very pleased to have been in on this X. Mas gift with your family... it was very hard for me to keep the secret, especially at our last rod making get together. Enjoy it and get a bunch of trout with it... jez the hendrickson hatch is just around the block! Joseph A Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com5733 Griffith Rd.Portageville,NY 14536716-493-2637 from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Fri Dec 28 09:33:49 2001 fBSFXmW25833 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:33:48 -0600 Subject: Re: reel seats another pic not a virus! Dave,Thanks, that means alot coming from you. Really you do awesome work. Thanks again! Joseph A Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com5733 Griffith Rd.Portageville,NY 14536716-493-2637 from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Fri Dec 28 09:46:49 2001 fBSFknW26407 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:46:49 -0600 Subject: Re: reel seats another pic not a virus! Larry,I would be gloating too. I wish my family got me a rod for X mas... all the rods I have made I can't seem to keep one for myself ! Maybe I can buy one from myself or trade with one of the guys on the list! Joseph A Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com5733 Griffith Rd.Portageville,NY 14536716-493-2637 from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Dec 28 10:08:55 2001 fBSG8sW27451 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:08:54 -0600 fBSG8mc07325 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:08:49 -0600 Subject: Re: reel seat fillers Just for info.The router I am using is on sale at Harbor Freight till Dec. 31.This makes a inexpensive setup that can remain setup.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com "Marty D." wrote: Hi John, I have had a router, fingernail bit,and router table for some time and have madeseats with it. I use the router and table at my"real job" so it is not always available in myshop.It seems by the time I get the stufftogether I can "wittle a seat". Marty channer wrote: Marty;Get a router and a fingernail bit and dedicatethe setup to makingmortices in reelseat fillers, it shouldn'ttake you more than about aminute, half of that being mounting the fillerin a jig to run past therouter bit. Unless, of course, the process ofdoing it by hand istherapeutic.john "Marty D." wrote: No , I use a VERY SHARP 3/8" or5/16"straight chisel. Once thebarrell is turned I remove the piece from thelathe and mount it in avise (plastic or wood jawed). I trace a reelfoot on the barrell andexpand it by 1/8"-3/16". I use a knife toslice down each mark. I thenuse a mallet and chisel to work my way downeach side. If I am "lifting"wood I remove the piece and turn it in theother direction. Once themortise is formed on each side I use thechisel free hand to hog out thecenter while forming a thumbnail shape. Wherethe mortise merges withthe cylinder I bevel this on an angle. Icheck my work with a straightedge and the reel foot. Once formed I finishwith different grades ofsand paper (150 grit to 400 grit). It takesabout 40 min. from start tofinish. Marty Bill Hoy wrote: Hi, Marty.Would you care to expand on this on-list? Iassume you are using a 1/2inch or 5/8-inch gouge to do the mortise.Am I right? Bill At 05:48 AM 12/27/2001 -0500, you wrote: I find it faster (for me anyway) tomortise the reelseat filler witha mallet and chisel then with a router,jig and router table. That isif I count the set up time. If I couldleave everything set up allthe time this would not be the case or ifI made a bunch of fillersat a time. I do them one at a time asneeded. Best, Marty Jeff Schaeffer wrote: I have started making reel seats, mostlyto see if I could actuallydo it. Ihave several questions pertaining towood fillers that I pose to thegroup: My little Taig lathe has a three-jawchuck, and I am using squarestock, soI had to counterbore the filler first. Imounted it vertically in adrillpress, drilled out half, then switchedit end-for-end and drilledout theother side. Then mounted it on aMandrel, knocked off the edges witha rasp,and turned it. This worked fine, butdoes anyone have any specialtricks forcounterboring? Bits, jigs, etc. Also, I need to mortise the filler.Where can I find a "fingernailbit" andis there another name to this thing? Thefolks at woodcraft werehelpful,but had no idea what I was talking aboutwhen I mentioned it. figured-maple pen turning blanks getting started. They are not as fancy as some, but seem ideal forbeginners. I picked the least-figuredpiece to practice on, and itturnedout to have quite a bit of figure once Iturned it and applied acoat oftung oil. Definitely good enough for arod. Now, if I can do metal, I might be on tosomething. Jeff Schaeffer from ttalsma@macatawa.org Fri Dec 28 11:43:37 2001 fBSHhXW00920 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:43:34 -0600 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 02:28:17+0900 Subject: Need some help on a tip. All, I have a tip, but no name to go along with it. Can someone claim it forme? TIA.----It has just been brought home to me this afternoon that just because alesson happens to be one that you have learned many times beforedoesn't mean that it's not still worth learning. Here is my best piece of advice, my very best.... When you are having trouble with a strip, any kind of trouble at all,and it's not doing what you want it to do nor going the way that youwant it to go, STOP. Take the blade out of your block plane, and no matter whether you havejust sharpened the bloody thing six passes ago, SHARPEN IT . Take yourtime. Do it properly. I am talking mirror surfaces here! Then go back to your problem strip, and if you are like me, you willfind that about nine times out of ten the problem has gone away. Cane gremlins are frightened of sharp edges; either that or they havesome doubts about the stability and safety of the kind of people whosharpen them that obsessively. And maybe, just maybe, the time it takes to resharpen might give you alittle breather in which to think about why the glitch happened in thefirst place, to have a cup of tea, let the dog out for a pee, say helloto your wife, and generally defragment the old disc (the grey, floppyone beneath your hat, that is). I don't have any idea what you do if you are not a handplaner. I guessthat you never have problem strips in the first place, maybe. --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Rodmaking Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Rodmaking Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/index.htmgenealogy home page: Under Construction from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 11:57:43 2001 fBSHvgW01749 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:57:42 -0600 Dec 2001 09:57:41 PST Subject: Re: Need some help on a tip. "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" todd, who ever said it speaks the truth fromexperience. timothy --- Todd Talsma wrote: All, I have a tip, but no name to go along with it. Cansomeone claim it forme? TIA.----It has just been brought home to me this afternoonthat just because alesson happens to be one that you have learned manytimes beforedoesn't mean that it's not still worth learning. Here is my best piece of advice, my very best.... When you are having trouble with a strip, any kindof trouble at all,and it's not doing what you want it to do nor goingthe way that youwant it to go, STOP. Take the blade out of your block plane, and nomatter whether you havejust sharpened the bloody thing six passes ago,SHARPEN IT . Take yourtime. Do it properly. I am talking mirror surfaceshere! Then go back to your problem strip, and if you arelike me, you willfind that about nine times out of ten the problemhas gone away. Cane gremlins are frightened of sharp edges; eitherthat or they havesome doubts about the stability and safety of thekind of people whosharpen them that obsessively. And maybe, just maybe, the time it takes toresharpen might give you alittle breather in which to think about why theglitch happened in thefirst place, to have a cup of tea, let the dog out to your wife, and generally defragment the old disc(the grey, floppyone beneath your hat, that is). I don't have any idea what you do if you are not ahandplaner. I guessthat you never have problem strips in the firstplace, maybe. --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Rodmaking Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Rodmaking Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/index.htmgenealogy home page: Under Construction ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from pohl@earthlink.net Fri Dec 28 13:29:44 2001 fBSJThW04248 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:29:43 -0600 helo=pohl) id 16K2hK-00033f-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:29:42 -0800 Subject: wrapping options what are the pros and cons of using nylon vs Pearsall's silk (naples, =gossamer). Is there going to be a noticable differance in the final =product or is silk just used for tradition? how difficult is it to work =with the finer diameter silk? color change when varnish? anybody use B&O = what are the pros and cons of using = Pearsall's silk (naples, gossamer). Is there going to be a noticable = in the final product or is silk just used for tradition? how difficult = work with the finer diameter silk? color change when varnish? anybody = B&O jasper and have photo's.....Mark = from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Dec 28 13:30:42 2001 fBSJUfW04409 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:30:41 -0600 fBSJUec07230 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:30:40 -0600 Subject: Router Got a number of off list messages about the RouterI mentioned.H.F. has two types. The 33833 was on sale for19.99, it is listed for 22.99 now on sale. Regularprice is 45.99. The sale # is 33833-DBSE. It hasan aluminum body. The other is #44914-2RNC. It isbetter for the Mortise rig. It is on sale for19.99 now. It has a plastic body with a rack andgear adjustment. Much easier to adjust the heightof the cutter. It is called a Wood Trimmer and nota Trim Router.The Router bit is # C 1215, It is on sale tillDec. 31 from Grizzly 1 800 523 4777Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from bob@downandacross.com Fri Dec 28 13:54:48 2001 fBSJslW05432 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:54:47 -0600 Subject: RE: Router, fluting jig Thanks Tony. Your post got me thinking. I am trying to get the old brainunfrozen after countless hours of snowthrowing. We have about 3 feet sofarand still coming. I am wondering if anyone out there has any plans for making a router basedfluting rig. I am looking for a way to continue to flute rods when I sell myhand mill for an electric milling machine next month. (I have the Milwardbook and its fluting plans. I have to admit, I find the drawings to beconfusing. A photo would mean more to me and my engineeringincimpetence).Thanks in advance, Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Router Got a number of off list messages about the RouterI mentioned.H.F. has two types. The 33833 was on sale for19.99, it is listed for 22.99 now on sale. Regularprice is 45.99. The sale # is 33833-DBSE. It hasan aluminum body. The other is #44914-2RNC. It isbetter for the Mortise rig. It is on sale for19.99 now. It has a plastic body with a rack andgear adjustment. Much easier to adjust the heightof the cutter. It is called a Wood Trimmer and nota Trim Router.The Router bit is # C 1215, It is on sale tillDec. 31 from Grizzly 1 800 523 4777Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from joseus@cybertech.com.ar Fri Dec 28 17:09:53 2001 fBSN9oW10715 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:09:50 -0600 fBSMMTn21608 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:22:29 -0300 Subject: Portareel. With regard to the reel seat. The form that I build them is the = I have the wooden pieces, of a longitude of a foot and in square way of = I mark the center and with a wick three mm, I carry out a hole in each = In the gag of the lathe, I adjust a screw without head and in him, I =adjust the wood. In the other end I adjust the contrapunta of the lathe. = With a speed of but or less 2000 turns, I reduce it until a diameter of = Then with paper of sandpaper of 120 I give him the first passing, then I =use sandpaper of 240 360 and it finishes it passing I make it with = Now I move away it, and I wrap it with several paper turns and I adjust = I introduce it in the plate of the lathe leaving only 9 cmt out and I = I place a portamandril him the contrapunta of the lathe and I adjust a = This part already this list. Now I should carry out the seat of the = With the same tool that I roughdress the wood to give him the circular = This part of the work is carried out with the stopped lathe, it should = With my left hand I sustain the plate of the lathe and I slip the car of =the lathe in perpendicular form to the wood. The tool when being placed =the other way around, goes making the groove. Me previously with a = With my left hand I make rotate the lathe and again I carry out the same = Then, without taking out the wood and with a hand mountain the short = I will take out some pictures, but anyway you can appreciate like they = Alberto. (the wasp) Hola a todos. Con respecto a los reel seat. La forma que yo los construyo es la =siguiente. Tengo los pedazos de madera, de una longitud de un pie y de forma =cuadrada de una pulgada. De este pedazo de madera yo puedo hacer tres =portareel. Yo marco el centro y con una mecha de tres mm, realizo un agujero en =cada punta, de una profundidad de un cent=EDmetro. En la mordaza del torno, ajusto un tornillo sin cabeza y en =E9l, ajusto =la madera. En el otro extremo ajusto la contrapunta del torno. Con una velocidad de mas o menos 2000 vueltas, lo rebajo hasta un =di=E1metro de 19 mm. Luego con papel de lija de 120 le doy la primer pasada, luego utilizo = La parte exterior ya esta lista. Ahora lo retiro, y lo envuelvo con varias vueltas de papel y lo ajusto =con cinta de carrocero. Lo introduzco en el plato del torno dejando solamente 9 cmt afuera y =ajusto las mordazas del torno. Coloco un portamandril el la contrapunta del torno y ajusto una mecha = Esta parte ya esta lista. Ahora yo debo realizar el asiento del reel. ( =Mortaja). Con la misma herramienta que yo desbaste la madera para darle la forma =circular, ahora la hago girar, y la ajusto en la torre del torno. Esta parte del trabajo se realiza con el torno parado, no debe estar en =funcionamiento. Con mi mano izquierda yo sostengo el plato del torno y deslizo el carro =del torno en forma perpendicular a la madera. La herramienta al estar =colocada al rev=E9s, va haciendo la ranura. Yo previamente con un =l=E1piz y una plantilla e marcado en ancho de la ranura. Con mi mano izquierda hago girar el torno y nuevamente realizo la misma =operaci=F3n, hasta completar en ancho de la ranura. Luego, sin sacar la madera y con una sierra de mano lo corto, de un =largo de 8,5 cmt. Le doy una ultima lijada con papel de lija del 400. Luego le doy varias manos de barniz. Yo espero haberme podido explicar bien. Yo sacare algunas fotograf=EDas , pero de todos modos ustedes pueden =apreciar como quedan ,visitando mi pagina web. J)). Les saludo afectuosamente. Alberto. ( la avispa) joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/albertoyjoseusman all. wooden pieces, of a longitude of a foot and in square way of an inch. Of = wooden piece I can make three portareel. center and with a wick three mm, I carry out a hole in each tip, of a = centimeter. of the lathe, I adjust a screw without head and in him, I adjust the = the other end I adjust the contrapunta of the lathe. = paper of sandpaper of 120 I give him the first passing, then I use = external part already this list. away it, and I wrap it with several paper turns and I adjust it with = tape. it in the plate of the lathe leaving only 9 cmt out and I adjust the = lathe. portamandril him the contrapunta of the lathe and I adjust a wick of 8 = diameter. I carry out the hole of a depth of 9 cmt. = already this list. Now I should carry out the seat of the reel. (Shroud. = same tool that I roughdress the wood to give him the circular form, now = it rotate, and I adjust it in the tower of the lathe. = operation. left hand I sustain the plate of the lathe and I slip the car of the = perpendicular form to the wood. The tool when being placed the other way = goes making the groove. Me previously with a pencil and an insole and = wide of the groove. several passings I give him a depth 2 mm. left hand I make rotate the lathe and again I carry out the same = until completing in wide of the groove. without taking out the wood and with a hand mountain the short thing, of = of 8,5 cmt. little time I can carry out 3 portareel. shake hands him. have been able to myself to explain well. out some pictures, but anyway you can appreciate like they are, visiting = paginates web. ()). them affectionately. (the wasp) Hola a todos.Con respecto a los reel seat. La forma que yo los = es la siguiente.Tengo los pedazos de madera, de una longitud de un= forma cuadrada de una pulgada. De este pedazo de madera yo puedo hacer = portareel.Yo marco el centro y con una mecha de tres mm, = agujero en cada punta, de una profundidad de un cent=EDmetro.En la mordaza del torno, ajusto un tornillo sin = =E9l, ajusto la madera. En el otro extremo ajusto la contrapunta del =torno.Con una velocidad de mas o menos 2000 vueltas, lo= hasta un di=E1metro de 19 mm.Luego con papel de lija de 120 le doy la primer = utilizo lija de 240 360 y la ultima pasada lo hago con lija de 400. La parte exterior ya esta lista.Ahora lo retiro, y lo envuelvo con varias vueltas = lo ajusto con cinta de carrocero.Lo introduzco en el plato del torno dejando = afuera y ajusto las mordazas del torno.Coloco un portamandril el la contrapunta 8 = di=E1metro. Realizo el agujero de una profundidad de 9 cmt. Esta parte ya esta lista. Ahora yo debo realizar el = del reel. ( Mortaja).Con la misma herramienta que yo desbaste lamadera = la forma circular, ahora la hago girar, y la ajusto en la torre del =torno.Esta parte del trabajo se realiza con el torno = debe estar en funcionamiento.Con mi mano izquierda yo sostengo el plato del = = previamente con un l=E1piz y una plantilla e marcado en ancho de la =ranura.Con varias pasadas le doy una profundidad de 2 mm.= Con mi mano izquierda hago girar el torno y = realizo la misma operaci=F3n, hasta completar en ancho de la ranura.Luego, sin sacar la madera y con una sierra de mano= de un largo de 8,5 cmt.Le doy una ultima lijada con papel de lija del =400.En muy poco tiempo yo puedo realizar 3 portareel. = Luego le doy varias manos de barniz.Yo espero haberme podido explicar bien.Yo sacare algunas fotograf=EDas , pero de todos = pueden apreciar como quedan ,visitando mi pagina web. J)).Les saludo afectuosamente.Alberto. ( la avispa) joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/alb=ertoyjoseusman from channer@frontier.net Fri Dec 28 19:00:28 2001 fBT10RW12056 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:00:27 -0600 Subject: Re: Need some help on a tip. Todd;sounds like something Tony Young said.john Todd Talsma wrote: All, I have a tip, but no name to go along with it. Can someone claim it forme? TIA.----It has just been brought home to me this afternoon that just because alesson happens to be one that you have learned many times beforedoesn't mean that it's not still worth learning. Here is my best piece of advice, my very best.... When you are having trouble with a strip, any kind of trouble at all,and it's not doing what you want it to do nor going the way that youwant it to go, STOP. Take the blade out of your block plane, and no matter whether you havejust sharpened the bloody thing six passes ago, SHARPEN IT . Take yourtime. Do it properly. I am talking mirror surfaces here! Then go back to your problem strip, and if you are like me, you willfind that about nine times out of ten the problem has gone away. Cane gremlins are frightened of sharp edges; either that or they havesome doubts about the stability and safety of the kind of people whosharpen them that obsessively. And maybe, just maybe, the time it takes to resharpen might give you alittle breather in which to think about why the glitch happened in thefirst place, to have a cup of tea, let the dog out for a pee, say helloto your wife, and generally defragment the old disc (the grey, floppyone beneath your hat, that is). I don't have any idea what you do if you are not a handplaner. I guessthat you never have problem strips in the first place, maybe. --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Rodmaking Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Rodmaking Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/index.htmgenealogy home page: Under Construction from atlasc1@earthlink.net Fri Dec 28 20:30:45 2001 fBT2UiW13250 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:30:44 -0600 helo=g2t8c9) id 16K9GI-0004If-00; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:30:15 -0800 Subject: Re: Router, fluting jig Bob, Talk to J.W., I wonder if a ball bit could be used on his mill for the typeof fluting you are looking for? Adam Vigil----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Router, fluting jig Thanks Tony. Your post got me thinking. I am trying to get the old brainunfrozen after countless hours of snowthrowing. We have about 3 feet so far and still coming. I am wondering if anyone out there has any plans for making a router basedfluting rig. I am looking for a way to continue to flute rods when I sell my hand mill for an electric milling machine next month. (I have the Milwardbook and its fluting plans. I have to admit, I find the drawings to beconfusing. A photo would mean more to me and my engineeringincimpetence).Thanks in advance, Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Router Got a number of off list messages about the RouterI mentioned.H.F. has two types. The 33833 was on sale for19.99, it is listed for 22.99 now on sale. Regularprice is 45.99. The sale # is 33833-DBSE. It hasan aluminum body. The other is #44914-2RNC. It isbetter for the Mortise rig. It is on sale for19.99 now. It has a plastic body with a rack andgear adjustment. Much easier to adjust the heightof the cutter. It is called a Wood Trimmer and nota Trim Router.The Router bit is # C 1215, It is on sale tillDec. 31 from Grizzly 1 800 523 4777Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from JNL123141@msn.com Fri Dec 28 20:37:51 2001 fBT2boW13538 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:37:50 -0600 Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:37:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Need some help on a tip. FILETIME=[C9574CB0:01C19011] When you stop to re-sharpen, also take the time to disassemble your plane=and clean out the impacted dust and shavings. Doing both will probably =get you back on track. I would also suggest that you keep "wrestling" wi=th the strip even if you don't use it when done planing---it will be a te=rrific learning experience. If you are able to use a strip that fought =you all the way, so much the better. You gain more intuition. Todd Talsma wrote: All, I have a tip, but no name to go along with it. Can someone claim it fo= r me? TIA.----It has just been brought home to me this afternoon that just because alesson happens to be one that you have learned many times beforedoesn't mean that it's not still worth learning. Here is my best piece of advice, my very best.... When you are having trouble with a strip, any kind of trouble at all,and it's not doing what you want it to do nor going the way that youwant it to go, STOP. Take the blade out of your block plane, and no matter whether you havejust sharpened the bloody thing six passes ago, SHARPEN IT . Take yourtime. Do it properly. I am talking mirror surfaces here! Then go back to your problem strip, and if you are like me, you willfind that about nine times out of ten the problem has gone away. Cane gremlins are frightened of sharp edges; either that or they havesome doubts about the stability and safety of the kind of people whosharpen them that obsessively. And maybe, just maybe, the time it takes to resharpen might give you alittle breather in which to think about why the glitch happened in thefirst place, to have a cup of tea, let the dog out for a pee, say hell= o to your wife, and generally defragment the old disc (the grey, floppyone beneath your hat, that is). I don't have any idea what you do if you are not a handplaner. I guessthat you never have problem strips in the first place, maybe. --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Rodmaking Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Rodmaking Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/index.htmgenealogy home page: Under Construction would = sp;able to use a strip that fought you all the way, so much the better.&n= times&nb= ou= And =maybe, just maybe, the time it takes to resharpen might give you http://www= http://www= page:&n=bsp; Under Construction from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Dec 29 05:18:17 2001 fBTBIFW18449 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 05:18:15 - Subject: Re: Need some help on a tip. I'd like to claim it but it's by my friend even though he is a Tasmanain, Peter McKean. It's good advise too. Tony At 06:03 PM 12/28/01 -0700, channer wrote: Todd;sounds like something Tony Young said.john Todd Talsma wrote: All, I have a tip, but no name to go along with it. Can someone claim it forme? TIA.----It has just been brought home to me this afternoon that just because alesson happens to be one that you have learned many times beforedoesn't mean that it's not still worth learning. Here is my best piece of advice, my very best.... When you are having trouble with a strip, any kind of trouble at all,and it's not doing what you want it to do nor going the way that youwant it to go, STOP. Take the blade out of your block plane, and no matter whether you havejust sharpened the bloody thing six passes ago, SHARPEN IT . Take yourtime. Do it properly. I am talking mirror surfaces here! Then go back to your problem strip, and if you are like me, you willfind that about nine times out of ten the problem has gone away. Cane gremlins are frightened of sharp edges; either that or they havesome doubts about the stability and safety of the kind of people whosharpen them that obsessively. And maybe, just maybe, the time it takes to resharpen might give you alittle breather in which to think about why the glitch happened in thefirst place, to have a cup of tea, let the dog out for a pee, say helloto your wife, and generally defragment the old disc (the grey, floppyone beneath your hat, that is). I don't have any idea what you do if you are not a handplaner. I guessthat you never have problem strips in the first place, maybe. --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Rodmaking Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Rodmaking Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/index.htmgenealogy home page: Under Construction /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Sat Dec 29 09:27:03 2001 fBTFR2W21247 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:27:02 - Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:26:57 -0800 Subject: Re: wrapping options FILETIME=[407FE5C0:01C1907D] what are the pros and cons of using nylon vs Pearsall's silk (naples, =gossamer). Is there going to be a noticable differance in the final =product or is silk just used for tradition? how difficult is it to work =with the finer diameter silk? color change when varnish? anybody use B&O = I won't speak to nylon because I have no experience with it, but over =the past several months I wrapped my first several rods with different =silks, and I learned a few things. Silk is definitely traditional, and =it is beautiful. There is a difference between naples and gossamer, but =once the varnish is on that difference is minimal. The difference IS =detectable, but both will give a beautiful transparent wrap. There are =several situations where gossamer will provide better results- tipping, =and white wraps that are meant to become absolutely transparent. What matters FAR more than silk diameter is attention to detail and =consistency. Your wraps need to be the same length, the silk needs to be =burnished, packed, and singed, and the pull through loops should be near =the guide feet or they will show. It is easy to make a wrap that looks =good dry, but gaps show up when varnish is applied. To prevent this, =apply a drop of water or extremely dilute varnish to the wraps after you =are finished- most problems that show up will be correctable with the =burnishing tool. As for darkening of the silk, this is a problem I am wrestling with now. =You can use a color preserver, but most of the threads in the archives =have a negative view of this- many people believe that you end up with =other problems. Varathane 900 is said to give a semi preserved look to =your color (darkens the wrap, but not as much as regular varnishes), but =I can not find this product anywhere I have looked, and will have to =order it from Golden Witch to even try it. The bottom line is that you =may be surprised at how light of a color you need to obtain to get the =color you want. Without preserver or maybe varathane, silk darkens like =mad. Working with Naples vs. Gossamer? Both are fine, but gossamer is a =challenge. I about tore my hair out working with the stuff. Bob Nunley =recommends that gossamer users should by aspirin and other strong =painkillers in bulk for the headaches ... The stuff is workable, but =expect to spend some time getting used to it, and you need a magnifying =glass. But it gives beautiful wraps, and there is a wide color =assortment available. However, getting good results with gossamer will =most likely require more time- the time you spend getting used to it, =and the extra time it takes to produce a beautiful wrap. No question =that thicker silks allow you to go faster. But if time was important you =would not be messing with cane in the first place. Jeff Schaeffer what are the pros and cons of using = Pearsall's silk (naples, gossamer). Is there going to be a noticable = in the final product or is silk just used for tradition? how difficult = work with the finer diameter silk? color change when varnish? anybody = I won't speak to nylon because I have = with it, but over the past several months I wrapped my first several = different silks, and I learned a few things. Silk is definitely = it is beautiful. There is a difference between naples and gossamer, but = where gossamer will provide better results- tipping, and white wraps = meant to become absolutely transparent. = attention to detail and consistency. Your wraps need to be the same = silk needs to be burnished, packed, and singed, and the pull through = should be near the guide feet or they will show. It is easy to make a = looks good dry, but gaps show up when varnish is applied. To prevent = burnishing tool. As for darkening of the silk, this is a = am wrestling with now. You can use a color preserver, but most of the = the archives have a negative view of this- many people believe that you = with other problems. Varathane 900 is said to give a semi preserved look = color (darkens the wrap, but not as much as regular varnishes), but I = find this product anywhere I have looked, and will have to order it from = Witch to even try it. The bottom line is that you may be surprised at = of a color you need to obtain to get the color you want. Without = maybe varathane, silk darkens like mad. Working with Naples vs. Gossamer?Both = but gossamer is a challenge. I about tore my hair out working with the = Bob Nunley recommends that gossamer users should by aspirin and other = painkillers in bulk for the headaches ... The stuff is workable, but = spend some time getting used to it, and you need a magnifying glass. But = gives beautiful wraps, and there is a wide color assortment available. = getting good results with gossamer will most likely require more time- = you spend getting used to it, and the extra time it takes to produce a = wrap. No question that thicker silks allow you to go faster. But if time = important you would not be messing with cane in the first =place. Jeff =Schaeffer from flytyr@southshore.com Sat Dec 29 11:08:27 2001 fBTH8RW22634 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:08:27 - fBTH8Pc12825 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:08:25 -0600 Subject: Re: wrapping options Jeff,Try the Gudebrod 822 or 840 on your wraps in placeof Color Preserver. The 822 is a satin finish andthe 840 is a gloss finish. I use the 840 and steelwool the wraps before varnishing.This will work for you on keeping the colorwithout using preserver. I will never use colorpreserver again. Had too many problems with it inthe past on Graphite rods.I have done right at 37 bamboo rods with theGudebrod product and have not had a problem. Thisis water base and you can apply several coats inan hour. Some colors will darken about 1/4 shadeor less, other colors will not darken at all. Itdoes not make the thread transparent. It is moreof a sealer.The one thing you have to keep in mind, the wrapwill have to be totally sealed so that no varnishwill seep under the wrap at the guide foot. If itdoes there will be a dark mark in the wrap at thatpoint.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jeff Schaeffer wrote: As for darkening of the silk, this is aproblem I am wrestling with now. You can use acolor preserver, but most of the threads in thearchives have a negative view of this- manypeople believe that you end up with otherproblems. Varathane 900 is said to give a semipreserved look to your color (darkens the wrap,but not as much as regular varnishes), but I cannot find this product anywhere I have looked,and will have to order it from Golden Witch toeven try it. The bottom line is that you may besurprised at how light of a color you need toobtain to get the color you want. Withoutpreserver or maybe varathane, silk darkens likemad. Jeff Schaeffer from ttalsma@macatawa.org Sat Dec 29 12:21:25 2001 fBTILOW23464 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:21:24 - id ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:14:38 -0500 id Y2QPVF7T; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:14:33 -0500 Subject: Tips archive updated. I just uploaded an updated version of the tips archive. Let me know ifyou have any questions or tips to add. The address is listed below.-- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from dmanders@telusplanet.net Sat Dec 29 13:04:44 2001 Received: from fBTJ4hW24380 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 edtnes15-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122- Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:04:37 -0700 Message-Id:X- Sender:dmanders@pop.telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Guys/Gals, One thing thatwoodworkers know instinctively is that glues will not allow stains or finishesto enter the wood products. I've been playing around with mineral spirit typesof stain on a rod I working on. Although I thought the cane was glue free -such was not the case. There was still little bits here and there and were notdiscernible to the naked eye but a coating of stain picked them right up. So ifyou want your blank to be glue free and the OD you intended, give it a rubdown with a very dark stain. The stain sands off easily. The stain I'm usingwill not enter the cane pores. Donffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html > from splitcane@attbi.com Sat Dec29 16:08:03 2001 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com for; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:07:54 +0000 Subject: W&M Granger Jasper Silks... Date: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi All, While on the subject ofsilk... I have some 1000 yard master spools of original stock W&M Grangersize "00" Jasper Silks available in Black/Orange and Black/White, please dropme a line off list if interested... Take Care, Dave Denver Dave's VintageBamboo Rods www.denverdave.net > from pohl@earthlink.net Sat Dec 2921:17:09 2001 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net 0003U1-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:17:08 - 0800 Message-ID: From: References: Subject: guide spacing pohl@earthlink.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This guide spacing should I use for a 7' rod using 7 guides + a = stripper? thedesign rules that i've seen says you need to have the = stripper 25 to 26inches up from end of butt and there needs to be a = guide next to theferrule and the guide spacing needs to increase at a = certain rate. help? printable What guide spacing should I use for a = 7' rod Mark ------ bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Dec 29 22:21:14 2001 Received: from fBU4LDW00057 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 Received: from (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) 00:22:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:24:49 -0500 From: Shawn PineoOrganization: New Scotland fly Rods X- 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi all, Sorry for thebandwidth but I had a question about LL Bean stuff, a shirt I bought at a fleamarket recently. The guy was selling what were supposed to be factorysecond shirts from LL. Bean. In my haste( hey it's a LL bean for $20 bucksCanadian!!) I saw that most of the LL Bean label was cut away, which the guyexplained was because they were seconds, what I didn't notice was the "Madein Canada" label below it. I guess my question is "does LL Bean out sourcesome of it's production to Canada or did I get taken?" Don't get me wrong itis still an awesome shirt and I'm thinking of going back to get more, I was justwondering if some more knowledgeable in LL Bean than I could enlighten me??I know David lives close to their factory in Maine maybe he can shed somelight?? Thanks and once again sorry for the width, Shawn >Fromdickay@alltel.net Sun Dec 30 06:55:04 2001 Received: from mta02- 30 Dec 2001 06:55:01 -0600 Message-ID: & Kathy Fuhrman" From: "Dick & Kathy Fuhrman" Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed.Chris Bogart are you still on the list? If so it is almost a week and youhaven't started your annual poll of "What non-rod making fishing triviaChristmas present did you get for Christmas." Before Christmas, I got anornament that looks like two marshmallows stacked with a hat, vest, creeland fishing rod with a miniature marshmallow on the end of the line for bait Iguess. As I am on the heavy side. I guess it's supposed to represent me. Itkinda looks like a snowman but it's not round enough for that. What did youall get? Tight Lines Dick Fuhrman > from Lazybee45@aol.com Sun Dec 3007:17:01 2001 Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id p.130.6f8a1b4 (4464); Sun, 30 Dec Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:16:45 EST rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated12/30/01 6:55:55 AM Central Standard Time, dickay@alltel.net writes: > I got the same ornament! My wife and daughters thought itwas hilarious! Kind of like the photo I got last year of me asleep on the couchwith my Dog on my legs. Framed and everything! My wife (she who must beobeyed) calls it "recumbent man with best friend!" with family like that, noneed for abuse from any one else is there! Actually got a pair of bib Overalls.My son-in-law is a Farm kid from southern Iowa. He thought that I would likethem! I also got some great hot sauce, (a 6 pack of different sauces!) Butwould YOU trust a hot sauce called "Spank my ass and call me sally" ? (yeh, itIS hot!) But the BEST part was spending most of it with my family and ourfriends! Maybe this year has brought that a bit more clearly to all of us. ButWe have always been a close family. We had a great time, joked and laughed,ate more than was good for us, and last night, after helping Son-in-law anddaughter move into their FIRST house (yay!) we watched University of IOWAbeat Texas Tech 19-16! Hooray! Sorry to those of you of Texas extraction,but NEVER underestimate "Iowa Corn fed Beef!" First football game I havewatched in a long time that Iactually enjoyed! best to all of my friends on the"net" and my very best wishes for you to have an excellent and happy year tocome! mark > from edriddle@mindspring.com Sun Dec 30 07:40:05 2001 (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16KgC3-0003Du-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu;Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:40:03 -0500 Message-ID:From: "Ed Riddle" 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I got replacement batteries Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:51 AMSubject: Disappointment Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the list? Ifso it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of "Whatnon-rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get for Christmas." Before Christmas, I got an ornament that looks like two marshmallows stacked with a hat, vest, creel and fishing rod with a miniature marshmallow on the end of the line for bait I guess. As I am on the heavy side. I guess it'ssupposed to represent me. It kinda looks like a snowman but it's not round enough for that. What did you all get? Tight LinesDick Fuhrman from horsesho@ptd.net Sun Dec 30 08:15:10 2001 fBUEFAW05467 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:15:10 - (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4177. . Clean. Processed in 0.991667 secs); 30 Dec 200114:15:09 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Disappointment I received this fisherman clock that has a place for water and when turned on produces a babbling stream with forest noises.I guess it's suppose to be relaxing. It just makes me want to pee! Marty Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the list? Ifso it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of "Whatnon-rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get for Christmas." Before Christmas, I got an ornament that looks like two marshmallowsstackedwith a hat, vest, creel and fishing rod with a miniature marshmallow on theend of the line for bait I guess. As I am on the heavy side. I guess it'ssupposed to represent me. It kinda looks like a snowman but it's not roundenough for that. What did you all get? Tight LinesDick Fuhrman from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Dec 30 08:52:11 2001 fBUEqAW06443 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:52:10 - helo=g2t8c9) id 16KhJp-0007KA-00; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 06:52:09 -0800 "Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: Disappointment I have one rule for anyone buying me a Christmas present. When someone asks what they can get me for Christmas my answer is "Ifyoucan shoot it, read it, eat it or cut with it I will take it." I no longer have to suffer the gifts of underwear, ties, shirts, ornaments,a lifetime supply of powerbait or a spool of 35lbs test mono. Adam Vigil ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Disappointment Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the list? Ifso it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of "Whatnon-rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get for Christmas." Before Christmas, I got an ornament that looks like two marshmallows stacked with a hat, vest, creel and fishing rod with a miniature marshmallow on the end of the line for bait I guess. As I am on the heavy side. I guess it'ssupposed to represent me. It kinda looks like a snowman but it's not round enough for that. What did you all get? Tight LinesDick Fuhrman from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Sun Dec 30 09:04:20 2001 fBUF4JW06750 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:04:19 - Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:04:10 -0800 "Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: Disappointment FILETIME=[3C3ECEB0:01C19143] I got some Ghink.Enough said. Jeff from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Dec 30 09:09:45 2001 fBUF9iW07011 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:09:44 - Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:10:54 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: Disappointment --------------8B44847880146FB8A0C4C771 I got my usual fishing ornament (I get some good ones), a new 18 V cordlessdrill with 1/2" chuck (UGH UGH UGH as Tim Allen used to say!), mysubscriptionto Planing Form (THANK GOD!), some new slippers, a nice fly fisherman cup, 5Nikon cameras and 2 Minolta Cameras. (A gift to myself ;^)Best of all I got to spend Christmas home safe and sound with my family,where so many of my co-workers / friends didn't.Loads to be thankful for this year!Shawn Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the list? Ifso it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of "Whatnon-rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get forChristmas." --------------8B44847880146FB8A0C4C771 I got my usual fishing ornament (I get some good ones), a new 18 V cordlessdrill with 1/2" chuck (UGH UGH UGH as Tim Allen used to say!), mysubscription to Planing Form (THANK GOD!), some new slippers, a nice flyfisherman cup, 5 Nikon cameras and 2 Minolta Cameras. (A gift to myself;^) safe and sound with my family, where so many of my co-workers / friendsdidn't. ShawnDick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: Bogart so it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of"Whatnon- rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get forChristmas." --------------8B44847880146FB8A0C4C771-- from magichandz@earthlink.net Sun Dec 30 09:14:59 2001 fBUFExW07287 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:14:59 - ([209.179.238.130] helo=kevin) id 16Khfu-00021P-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:14:58 -0800 Subject: Fly Fish America Mag FYI - In case there were still questions about it's existence, Friday night(12/28) I pickedup the "latest" edition of FFA - The 2002 Annual Gear Guide. I found it atthe local sporting good store (Sport Chalet in SoCal). Kevin -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Fly Fishing America The last issue I got was March 2001. The web site is still up, and thearchives are current up to March, with a note that says the next issue wouldbe May. The featured articles in the March issue aren't on the web, though,but there are some new articles available on-line. I wasn't around any flyshops until October, but none of them had the mag. The web site still listsFarrow Allen as the Fly Tying Editor, but Al and Gretchen Beatty have beendoing that for a while now. I, too, hope they've not disappeared. M-D ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Fly Fishing America Has anyone seen a recent issue of Fly Fishing America magazine? Hope ithasn't gone down the tubes.... John from caneman@clnk.com Sun Dec 30 09:15:53 2001 fBUFFqW07448 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:15:52 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Disappointment A pair of boxer shorts with brown trout and rainbow trout all over =them... They have become my favorite "evening wear". Billie had some =comments, but we can't repeat them on the list! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:13 AMSubject: Re: Disappointment I got my usual fishing ornament (I get some good ones), a new 18 V =cordless drill with 1/2" chuck (UGH UGH UGH as Tim Allen used to say!), =my subscription to Planing Form (THANK GOD!), some new slippers, a nice =fly fisherman cup, 5 Nikon cameras and 2 Minolta Cameras. (A gift to = Best of all I got to spend Christmas home safe and sound with my = Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the = so it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of = non-rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get for = A pair of boxer shorts with brown trout and rainbow= comments, but we can't repeat them on the list! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- Shawn Pineo Cc: Rodmakers List Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001= AMSubject: Re: =DisappointmentI got my usual fishing ornament (I get some good ones), = 18 V cordless drill with 1/2" chuck (UGH UGH UGH as Tim Allen = say!), my subscription to Planing Form (THANK GOD!), some new = fly fisherman cup, 5 Nikon cameras and 2 Minolta Cameras. (A gift to = safe and sound with my family, where so many of my co-workers / = = you haven't started your annual poll of "What non-rod making = from piscator@macatawa.org Sun Dec 30 09:29:29 2001 fBUFTSW07832 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:29:28 - for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:30:13 - Subject: Fw: Disappointment OOPS. Hit the wrong Dang button agin....----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Disappointment I got a couple of new books, some compact binoculars (for searching for fish and tying on size 24 midge larvae), and a nice old Hardy Princess with aspare spool. Well, actually I bought the reel for myself, but I knew howmuch I'd enjoy it and what the heck, Christmas comes but once a year. Brian from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Sun Dec 30 09:39:29 2001 fBUFdSW08201 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:39:28 - by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:38:58 -0500 Subject: Christmas Wishes - Was Disappointment Howdy all: I got several nice things that are functional and useful. But I do have onewish for next year: Several days ago I spoke with Chris Bogart, he mentioned he was finishingone of his famous spey rods. I told him when done to send me some picturesof it. Well, nuff said. Chris sent the pictures and this rod is gorgeous. Dear Santa: Next year please send me one of Chris Bogart's spey rods with the wonderfulintermediate wraps that Reed Curry covets. I promise to be good. Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Dec 30 09:41:39 2001 fBUFfbW08390 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:41:37 - "Dick & Kathy Fuhrman" ,"Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: Disappointment 1lt of Glen Livet. I'm happy. Tony At 06:50 AM 12/30/01 -0800, Adam Vigil wrote: I have one rule for anyone buying me a Christmas present. When someone asks what they can get me for Christmas my answer is "Ifyoucan shoot it, read it, eat it or cut with it I will take it." I no longer have to suffer the gifts of underwear, ties, shirts, ornaments,a lifetime supply of powerbait or a spool of 35lbs test mono. Adam Vigil ----- Original Message -----From: Dick & Kathy Fuhrman Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:51 AMSubject: Disappointment Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the list? Ifso it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of "Whatnon-rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get for Christmas." Before Christmas, I got an ornament that looks like two marshmallows stacked with a hat, vest, creel and fishing rod with a miniature marshmallow on the end of the line for bait I guess. As I am on the heavy side. I guess it'ssupposed to represent me. It kinda looks like a snowman but it's not round enough for that. What did you all get? Tight LinesDick Fuhrman /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from lblan@provide.net Sun Dec 30 09:42:47 2001 fBUFgkW08536 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:42:46 - for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:42:45 - Subject: RE: Disappointment Can you believe it, nothing, not a single fishing related item! After "BillyBass" last year, this is probably a good thing! I did get a gift certificate whining I did about having to risk life and limb cutting up Eamon Lee's BoxElder burl, I got a new table saw! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu FuhrmanSent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:51 AM Subject: Disappointment Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the list? Ifso it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of "Whatnon-rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get forChristmas." Before Christmas, I got an ornament that looks like twomarshmallows stackedwith a hat, vest, creel and fishing rod with a miniaturemarshmallow on theend of the line for bait I guess. As I am on the heavy side. I guess it'ssupposed to represent me. It kinda looks like a snowman but it'snot roundenough for that. What did you all get? Tight LinesDick Fuhrman from lblan@provide.net Sun Dec 30 09:46:03 2001 fBUFk2W08872 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:46:02 - for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:46:01 - Subject: RE: Christmas Wishes - Was Disappointment Joe; this is not very practical. There are no spey's where you live, andthey don't taste very good anyway! [:)] Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: Christmas Wishes - Was Disappointment Howdy all: I got several nice things that are functional and useful. But Ido have onewish for next year: Several days ago I spoke with Chris Bogart, he mentioned he was finishingone of his famous spey rods. I told him when done to send mesome picturesof it. Well, nuff said. Chris sent the pictures and this rod isgorgeous. Dear Santa: Next year please send me one of Chris Bogart's spey rods with thewonderfulintermediate wraps that Reed Curry covets. I promise to be good. Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Dec 30 09:54:57 2001 fBUFsuW09261 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:54:56 - User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: re:Disappointment I received "A Leaf from French Eddy", an excellent ginger hackle cape, some Ice dubbing, George MacDonald's "Unspoken Sermons"... and plenty of socks. No Spey rods with intermediate wraps.-- Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ >Frombob@downandacross.com Sun Dec 30 10:00:33 2001 Received: from fBUG0WW09484 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 From: "Bob Maulucci" Subject: RE: Christmas Wishes - WasDisappointment Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:00:07 -0500 Message-ID: Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X- Importance: Normal 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Joe: I have inputed anotherwhole bunch of tapers into the database program. I will send them to you andyou can send to the database listers. Okay? Best regards, Bob ----- Original rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Bamboo Joe Sent: Sunday, Subject: Christmas Wishes - Was Disappointment Howdy all: I got several nicethings that are functional and useful. But I do have one wish for next year:Several days ago I spoke with Chris Bogart, he mentioned he was finishingone of his famous spey rods. I told him when done to send me some picturesof it. Well, nuff said. Chris sent the pictures and this rod is gorgeous. DearSanta: Next year please send me one of Chris Bogart's spey rods with thewonderful intermediate wraps that Reed Curry covets. I promise to be good.Joe ================================================= Lost inthe Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one hand and a cigar inthe other....."What a Great Life". > from KyleDruey@aol.com Sun Dec 3010:01:59 2001 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id f.184.17e8e6d (4534); Sun, 30 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:01:45 EST rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Mark, The guide spacingformula suggest the following spacing using 8 guides for a 7' rod, and thestripper 26" from the butt: 1 4.33 2 9.50 3 15.50 4 22.33 5 30.00 6 38.507 47.83 8 58.00 You might have to play with it a little to make sure one ofthe guides isn't too close to a ferrule. The equation is based on a geometricseries that was posted in the archives a few years ago. Kyle In a messagedated 12/29/2001 7:17:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, pohl@earthlink.netwrites: What guide spacing should I use for a 7' rod using 7 guides + a stripper? the design rules that i've seen says you need to have the stripper 25 to 26 inches up from end of butt and there needs to be a guide next to the ferrule and the guide spacing needs to increase at a certain rate. help? ThanksMark What guide spacing should I use for a 7' rod using 7 guides + a stripper? the design rules that i've seen says you need to have the stripper 25 to 26 inches up from end of butt and there needs to be a guide next to the ferrule and the guide spacing needs to increase at a certain rate. help? Thanks Mark----------------------- Headers -------------------- ------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb03.mx.aol.com (rly-xb03.mail.aol.com Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:17:49 -0500 rly- Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:17:33 -0500 fBU3HOW29253; Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207. fBU3H8W29220 Received: from 1cust189.tnt1.albany.ny.da.uu.net ([63.20.207.189] helo=pohl) Message-ID: From: "Mark & Kathy Pohl" References: OE26NFq6jdmV494ajGP0000408a@hotmail.com>Subject: guide spacingDate: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:11:47 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; X-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Dec 30 10:09:17 2001 fBUG9HW10066 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:09:17 - (authenticated) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:08:42 -0800 Subject: Re: guide spacing KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: Mark, The guide spacing formula suggest the following spacing using 8 guides fora7' rod, and the stripper 26" from the butt: Hi all, Dumb question here... When the spacing experts suggest using one guideforevery foot of length plus one, does that include the stripping guide? Or isthatsimply the number of snake guides? Thanks,Reverend Dummy --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from KyleDruey@aol.com Sun Dec 30 10:13:34 2001 fBUGDXW10403 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:13:33 - for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:13:23 - Subject: Re: Disappointment Thats a good line, although if you leave it open ended you never know. My mother-in-law absolutely hit a home run blind this year. Normally from her I get the usual golf shirt, etc. She lives in Ventura, which is the location store for the kids and noticed a "cute looking bag" that the store clerk told her was for fishing. Ended up being a Patagonia fly fishing chest pack... I was elated to say the least! Kyle In a message dated 12/30/2001 6:52:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: I have one rule for anyone buying me a Christmas present.When someone asks what they can get me for Christmas my answer is"If youcan shoot it, read it, eat it or cut with it I will take it."I no longer have to suffer the gifts of underwear, ties, shirts,ornaments,a lifetime supply of powerbait or a spool of 35lbs test mono.Adam Vigil----- Original Message -----From: Dick & Kathy Fuhrman Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:51 AMSubject: DisappointmentGuys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the list? If so it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of "Whatnon- rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get forChristmas." Before Christmas, I got an ornament that looks like two marshmallowsstackedwith a hat, vest, creel and fishing rod with a miniature marshmallow ontheend of the line for bait I guess. As I am on the heavy side. I guess it's supposed to represent me. It kinda looks like a snowman but it's notroundenough for that. What did you all get? Tight LinesDick Fuhrman ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (rly-ye04.mail.aol.com Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:52:37 -0500 rly- Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:52:21 -0500 fBUEqKW06476; Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink. fBUEqAW06443 Received: from user-2inivko.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.126.152]helo=g2t8c9) Message-ID: From: "Adam Vigil" "Rodmakers List" References: Subject: Re: DisappointmentDate: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 06:50:33 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX- Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from KyleDruey@aol.com Sun Dec 30 10:19:48 2001 fBUGJlW10777 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:19:47 - Subject: Re: Disappointment Hmmmm..... brown trout on boxers, somehow that doens't seem appropriate(or maybe it is?) [:)] Kyle In a message dated 12/30/2001 7:16:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, caneman@clnk.com writes: A pair of boxer shorts with brown trout and rainbow trout all over them... They have become my favorite "evening wear". Billie had some comments,but we can't repeat them on the list!BobR.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Pineo Cc: Rodmakers List Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:13 AMSubject: Re: DisappointmentI got my usual fishing ornament (I get some good ones), a new 18 V cordless drill with 1/2" chuck (UGH UGH UGH as Tim Allen used to say!), my subscription to Planing Form (THANK GOD!), some new slippers, a nice fly fisherman cup, 5 Nikon cameras and 2 Minolta Cameras. (A gift to myself;^) Best of all I got to spend Christmas home safe and sound with my family, where so many of my co-workers / friends didn't. Loads to be thankful for this year! Shawn Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the list? If so it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of "What non-rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get for Christmas." A pair of boxer shorts with brown trout and rainbow trout all over them... They have become my favorite "evening wear". Billie had some comments, but we can't repeat them on the list! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2pxsolid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> ----- Original Message ---- - black">From: ShawnPineo Dick & Kathy Fuhrman Cc: Rodmakers List Sent: Sunday, December30, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: Re:Disappointment /DIV> I got my usual fishing ornament (I get some good ones), a new 18V cordless drill with 1/2" chuck (UGH UGH UGH as Tim Allen used to say!), my subscription to Planing Form (THANK GOD!), some new slippers, a nice fly fisherman cup, 5 Nikon cameras and 2 Minolta Cameras. (A gift to myself ;^) Best of all I got to spend Christmas home safe and sound with my family, where so many of my co-workers / friends didn't. Loads to be thankful for this year!         Shawn Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the list? If so it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of "What non-rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get for Christmas." ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:16:29 -0500 rly- Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:16:15 -0500 fBUFGDW07499; fBUFFqW07448 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Message-ID: From: "Bob Nunley" Cc: "Rodmakers List" References: fBUF9iW07011@wugate.wustl.edu>Subject: Re: DisappointmentDate: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:14:46 -0600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; X-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from lblan@provide.net Sun Dec 30 10:33:31 2001 fBUGXUW11321 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:33:31 - for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:33:29 - Subject: RE: guide spacing The usual recommendation would include the stripper in the total number ofguides. For examples sake, a 7' rod would have 8 guides - seven snakes and astripper. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:03 AMCc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: guide spacing KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: Mark, The guide spacing formula suggest the following spacing using 8 guides for a 7' rod, and the stripper 26" from the butt: Hi all, Dumb question here... When the spacing experts suggest usingone guide forevery foot of length plus one, does that include the strippingguide? Or is thatsimply the number of snake guides? Thanks,Reverend Dummy --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from Jfoster@sunset.net Sun Dec 30 10:40:28 2001 fBUGeRW11624 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:40:27 - fBUGeP7x027802 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:40:26 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011130 Netscape6/6.2.1 Subject: Re: guide spacing Harry No. Yes. A word of warning to beginners about guide spacing.. all given length rods are not =. do to the difference in tapers each rod assumes its own flex characteristics (especially near the tip) and i believe one set of spacing dimensions does not fit all. if you want to generalize the spacing then the one size fits all is OK. But...You should temporarily mount the guides run a line through them, flex the rod by pulling the line and see if the line is roughly equidistant from the rod at the mid points between the guides ( in other words, it follows the flex of the rod without any large disparities).. adjust all guides and test again, and again, and again [:)] . ??? jerry from Jfoster@sunset.net Sun Dec 30 10:43:40 2001 fBUGhdW11850 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:43:39 - fBUGhb7x028277 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:43:38 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011130 Netscape6/6.2.1 Subject: Re: guide spacing Oops Larry it looks like we disagree.. good place for a debate? Jerry from rmoon@ida.net Sun Dec 30 10:47:33 2001 fBUGlWW12123 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:47:33 - 0000 Subject: Re: guide spacing It's the only way Jerry, ThanksRalph Jerry Foster wrote: Harry No. Yes. A word of warning to beginners about guide spacing.. all given lengthrods are not =. do to the difference in tapers each rod assumes its ownflex characteristics (especially near the tip) and i believe one set ofspacing dimensions does not fit all. if you want to generalize thespacing then the one size fits all is OK. But...You should temporarily mount the guides run a line through them, flexthe rod by pulling the line and see if the line is roughly equidistant from the rod at the mid points between the guides ( in other words, itfollows the flex of the rod without any large disparities).. adjust allguides and test again, and again, and again [:)] . ??? jerry --?IôO from jojo@ipa.net Sun Dec 30 11:18:33 2001 fBUHIWW12704 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:18:32 -0600 helo=default) id 16KjbR-0000mC-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:18:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Disappointment One more "G" out of that keyboard of yours, Jeff, and you're a dead man. Imean it. I'm not kidding around here. ;o) M-D I got some Ghink.Enough said. Jeff from pohl@earthlink.net Sun Dec 30 11:25:15 2001 fBUHPEW13018 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:25:15 - helo=pohl) id 16Kjhx-0003qM-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:25:14 -0800 Subject: guide (distance from ferrule) When spacing guides..... how close to the ferrule should a guide be placed?is it better to place the closest guide above or below the ferrule? Mark from KyleDruey@aol.com Sun Dec 30 11:28:50 2001 fBUHSnW13213 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:28:49 - Subject: Re: guide spacing fBUHSoW13214 Jerry & Ralph, ah come on guys, you are depriving me of an A/R endorphinrush [:)] ! I was going to lay those guides on the rod to the nearest thou calculated by the guide spacing equation, I had the spreadsheet cells formatted to the fourth decimal and then was going to round to the nearest mil.... Seriously, thank you for providing the insights needed to work with that guide spacing formula. I had a feeling that using the equation was just too easy! Regards, Kyle I just hate winter. It must be 58 degrees out there and another sweatshirt day here in CA. [:)] In a message dated 12/30/2001 8:48:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,rmoon@ida.net writes: It's the only way Jerry, ThanksRalphJerry Foster wrote:Harry No. Yes. A word of warning to beginners about guide spacing.. all given lengthrods are not =. do to the difference in tapers each rod assumes its ownflex characteristics (especially near the tip) and i believe one set ofspacing dimensions does not fit all. if you want to generalize thespacing then the one size fits all is OK. But...You should temporarily mount the guides run a line through them, flexthe rod by pulling the line and see if the line is roughly equidistant from the rod at the mid points between the guides ( in other words, itfollows the flex of the rod without any large disparities).. adjust allguides and test again, and again, and again [:)] . ??? jerry--?IôO----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return- Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:48:03 -0500 rly- Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:47:47 -0500 fBUGljW12160; fBUGlWW12123 Received: (qmail 12199 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 16:47:29 -0000Received: from unknown (HELO ida.net) (208.141.176.68) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:46:17 -0700From: "Ralph W. Moon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)X-Accept-Language: en CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: guide spacingReferences: 3C2F42E6.4090201@sunset.net> Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CRENContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable fBUGljW12160 from bob@downandacross.com Sun Dec 30 11:32:45 2001 fBUHWjW13482 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:32:45 - Subject: RE: guide spacing, Now CA winter Kyle:Meanwhile...I am finding new uses for breathable waders and my Choda wadingboots....snowblowing. We are at over 5 feet and counting.Best regards, and watch out for sun burn.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: guide spacing I just hate winter. It must be 58 degrees out there and another sweatshirtday here in CA. [:)] from mtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com Sun Dec 30 11:48:33 2001 fBUHmWW14000 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:48:33 - Subject: Re: NRM... A question abot LL Bean stuff Hi Shawn, LL Bean has very little of its stuff made in the USA any more. They cutaway the labels on seconds so that you can't send them back for a refund orreplacement like you can the regular stuff. John K----- Original Message ----- Subject: NRM... A question abot LL Bean stuff Hi all,Sorry for the bandwidth but I had a question about LL Beanstuff, a shirt I bought at a flea market recently. The guy was sellingwhat were supposed to be factory second shirts from LL. Bean. In myhaste( hey it's a LL bean for $20 bucks Canadian!!) I saw that most ofthe LL Bean label was cut away, which the guy explained was because theywere seconds, what I didn't notice was the "Made in Canada" label belowit.I guess my question is "does LL Bean out source some of it'sproduction to Canada or did I get taken?" Don't get me wrong it is stillan awesome shirt and I'm thinking of going back to get more, I was justwondering if some more knowledgeable in LL Bean than I could enlightenme?? I know David lives close to their factory in Maine maybe he canshed some light??Thanks andonce again sorry for the width, Shawn from shane_person@telus.net Sun Dec 30 12:01:06 2001 fBUI15W14404 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:01:05 - (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:01:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Disappointment I got this huge non-spill coffee mug that is covered with bass lures. Ihave a couple of questions: what the h... is a bass?how do you get all those hooks in their mouth?how far is Williams Lake BC from bass water?should I care about them? All is not lost however, as I did get a copy of Ray Gould's fine book. Shane Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: Guys/Gals, I'm disappointed. Chris Bogart are you still on the list? Ifso it is almost a week and you haven't started your annual poll of "Whatnon-rod making fishing trivia Christmas present did you get forChristmas." Before Christmas, I got an ornament that looks like two marshmallowsstackedwith a hat, vest, creel and fishing rod with a miniature marshmallow on theend of the line for bait I guess. As I am on the heavy side. I guess it'ssupposed to represent me. It kinda looks like a snowman but it's not roundenough for that. What did you all get? Tight LinesDick Fuhrman from TSmithwick@aol.com Sun Dec 30 12:04:30 2001 fBUI4TW14617 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:04:29 - Subject: Re: Christmas Wishes - Was Disappointment rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In a message dated 12/30/1 3:39:59 PM, jcbyrd@direct-pest.com writes: C'mon Joe - It's us....we KNOW you. from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 12:07:10 2001 fBUI79W14894 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:07:09 - 30 Dec 2001 10:07:08 PST Subject: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed My 7-year old daughter has just started flyfishing andI'm going to make her a rod this winter. Before anyonesays anything about how young she is, just know thatthis girl is like her mother, she does anything shesets her mind to and she decided this past year tostart flyfishing, just like her father. Her cast isstill rough but I know that when I put her in acasting class this spring she'll do fine. Now, what I need is a suggestion on what to make for abeginner never tainted by the plastic rod bug. She isabout 3 to 4 inches taller than many in her age rangeand has good hand,eye coordination. Any help? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from caneman@clnk.com Sun Dec 30 12:31:20 2001 fBUIVJW15476 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:31:19 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: guide (distance from ferrule) Mark,Many put a guide right below the ferrule, and some do not. Personally,I have a spacing chart for each of my rods, then adjust them to what worksbest for that particular rod, and believe me, just because two rods aresupposed to be or "ARE" identical tapers, doesn't mean that the guidespacing will be identical. Some places in the bamboo just bend differentthan other places. Maybe it has something to do with the conditions on oneside of the plant as opposed to the other, such as exposure to sunshine,wind or maybe it's just bad luck, but not all bamboo from the same culm has customer (Troy M. saw them) and when taped in place, the guide spacing hadto be adjusted on each, but differently on each... the butts from the samearea of the culm, the mids from the same area of the culm and the 4 tips from the same area of the culm, yet each of the rods deflected differently,so I had to adjust. Since these were going to a single customer, I"averaged" the guide location to what worked best on each rod, so they wouldbe identical, but in truth, each rod was different, even though made fromthe same culm.I just start with a half inch incremental spacing and since most of myrods are 2 piece, not three, start with one guide just below the ferrule. Itape the guides in place exactly according to my charts, then adjust them toget what I want. The guide will almost always will have to be moved to givewhat I want, but it's a good place to start. Adjust your spacing to get thedeflection you want in the rod. You can tape them in place with electricaltape them move them around. Even slight changes in guide locations WILLmake a difference in the way the rod casts. Pick what you like best andwhat suits that particular rod best. Just keep in mind that the so called"tried and true" spacing charts are, in my opinion, only good startingpoints. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: guide (distance from ferrule) When spacing guides..... how close to the ferrule should a guide be placed? is it better to place the closest guide above or below the ferrule? Mark from caneman@clnk.com Sun Dec 30 12:34:02 2001 fBUIY2W15804 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:34:02 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: guide spacing 58Ÿ????????? Hell, it's even snowing here in Oklahoma today (just startedabout 30 minutes ago)... 58Ÿ just isn't fair!!! Warm here by most standardsat 28Ÿ. By the way, to our friends in Upstate New York, hope you don't getcompletely covered up! Heard Buffalo got 6 feet of snow in 5 days. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: guide spacing Jerry & Ralph, ah come on guys, you are depriving me of an A/R endorphin rush [:)] ! I was going to lay those guides on the rod to the nearest thoucalculated by the guide spacing equation, I had the spreadsheet cellsformatted to the fourth decimal and then was going to round to thenearestmil.... Seriously, thank you for providing the insights needed to work with thatguide spacing formula. I had a feeling that using the equation was just too easy! Regards, Kyle I just hate winter. It must be 58 degrees out there and another sweatshirt day here in CA. [:)] In a message dated 12/30/2001 8:48:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, rmoon@ida.net writes: It's the only way Jerry, ThanksRalph Jerry Foster wrote: Harry No. Yes. A word of warning to beginners about guide spacing.. all given lengthrods are not =. do to the difference in tapers each rod assumes its own flex characteristics (especially near the tip) and i believe one set of spacing dimensions does not fit all. if you want to generalize thespacing then the one size fits all is OK. But...You should temporarily mount the guides run a line through them, flexthe rod by pulling the line and see if the line is roughly equidistant from the rod at the mid points between the guides ( in other words, it follows the flex of the rod without any large disparities).. adjust all guides and test again, and again, and again [:)] . ??? jerry --?IôO ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com 1230114803; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:48:03 -0500 by rly- 1230114747; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:47:47 -0500 fBUGljW12160; fBUGlWW12123 Received: (qmail 12199 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 16:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ida.net) (208.141.176.68) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:46:17 -0700From: "Ralph W. Moon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)X-Accept-Language: en CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: guide spacingReferences: 3C2F42E6.4090201@sunset.net> Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CRENContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wugate.wustl.edu fBUGljW12160 from lblan@provide.net Sun Dec 30 12:35:59 2001 fBUIZwW16043 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:35:58 - for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:35:57 - Subject: RE: guide spacing No Jerry, no disagreement whatsoever. I was commenting on therecommended*number* of guides. Your post is spot on as far as *where* they go. I'd evengo so far as to add to the number of guides if the line had severe flatspots under stress. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: Re: guide spacing Oops Larry it looks like we disagree.. good place for a debate? Jerry from lblan@provide.net Sun Dec 30 12:48:48 2001 fBUImlW16569 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:48:47 - for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:48:46 - Subject: RE: guide spacing, Now CA winter Bob; I can almost appreciate that! This time last year, we were digging outof a total of 3'. We haven't been hit very hard so far this year, but itscold out there! I spent some time at my father in law's house in our UpperPeninsula. His place was about a mile off of Lake Superior. When I arrived,the path to the front door was surrounded by snow high enough that Icouldn't touch the top of the pile. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:32 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: guide spacing, Now CA winter Kyle:Meanwhile...I am finding new uses for breathable waders and myChoda wadingboots....snowblowing. We are at over 5 feet and counting.Best regards, and watch out for sun burn.Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:29 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: guide spacing I just hate winter. It must be 58 degrees out there and anothersweatshirtday here in CA. [:)] from robertgkope@attbi.com Sun Dec 30 13:16:55 2001 fBUJGsW17325 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:16:54 - ;Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:16:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Don't make the mistake of making her a short rod because of her size. Mydaughter started with a Wayne C. 7' 2-pc 4wt (the Sir D). I think that's agreat rod for anyone, regardless of age, experience, or casting ability. -- Robert----- Original Message ----- Subject: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed My 7-year old daughter has just started flyfishing andI'm going to make her a rod this winter. Before anyonesays anything about how young she is, just know thatthis girl is like her mother, she does anything shesets her mind to and she decided this past year tostart flyfishing, just like her father. Her cast isstill rough but I know that when I put her in acasting class this spring she'll do fine. Now, what I need is a suggestion on what to make for abeginner never tainted by the plastic rod bug. She isabout 3 to 4 inches taller than many in her age rangeand has good hand,eye coordination. Any help? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Dec 30 13:55:08 2001 fBUJt8W18098 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:55:08 - fBUJsxc02390 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:54:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Bill,I can't say enough about the Sir "D".Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Bill Walters wrote: My 7-year old daughter has just started flyfishing and I'm going to make her a rod this winter. Before anyone says anything about how young she is, just know that this girl is like her mother, she does anything she sets her mind to and she decided this past year to start flyfishing, just like her father. Her cast is still rough but I know that when I put her in acasting class this spring she'll do fine. Now, what I need is a suggestion on what to make beginner never tainted by the plastic rod bug. She is about 3 to 4 inches taller than many in her age range and has good hand,eye coordination. Any help? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Sun Dec 30 15:02:19 2001 fBUL2IW19513 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:02:18 - by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:01:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Christmas Wishes - Was Disappointment C'mon Joe - It's us....we KNOW you. You guys know me too WELL. :)) from rmoon@ida.net Sun Dec 30 15:13:17 2001 fBULDHW19864 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:13:17 - 0000 Subject: Re: guide spacing, Now CA winter Bob, Where in He** do you live. I thought we had it bad with about threefeet. Ralph Bob Maulucci wrote: Kyle:Meanwhile...I am finding new uses for breathable waders and my Chodawadingboots....snowblowing. We are at over 5 feet and counting.Best regards, and watch out for sun burn.Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:29 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: guide spacing I just hate winter. It must be 58 degrees out there and another sweatshirtday here in CA. [:)] --?IôO from bob@downandacross.com Sun Dec 30 15:27:52 2001 fBULRpW20320 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:27:51 - Subject: RE: guide spacing Being covered in snow is good for building rods, as long as the snowblowingdoesn't cut into it.BTW, thanks for the fluting ideas. I worked some stuff out yesterday.BOb -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: guide spacing 58Ÿ????????? Hell, it's even snowing here in Oklahoma today (just startedabout 30 minutes ago)... 58Ÿ just isn't fair!!! Warm here by most standardsat 28Ÿ. By the way, to our friends in Upstate New York, hope you don't getcompletely covered up! Heard Buffalo got 6 feet of snow in 5 days. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: guide spacing Jerry & Ralph, ah come on guys, you are depriving me of an A/R endorphin rush [:)] ! I was going to lay those guides on the rod to the nearest thoucalculated by the guide spacing equation, I had the spreadsheet cellsformatted to the fourth decimal and then was going to round to thenearestmil.... Seriously, thank you for providing the insights needed to work with thatguide spacing formula. I had a feeling that using the equation was just too easy! Regards, Kyle I just hate winter. It must be 58 degrees out there and another sweatshirt day here in CA. [:)] In a message dated 12/30/2001 8:48:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, rmoon@ida.net writes: It's the only way Jerry, ThanksRalph Jerry Foster wrote: Harry No. Yes. A word of warning to beginners about guide spacing.. all given lengthrods are not =. do to the difference in tapers each rod assumes its own flex characteristics (especially near the tip) and i believe one set of spacing dimensions does not fit all. if you want to generalize thespacing then the one size fits all is OK. But...You should temporarily mount the guides run a line through them, flexthe rod by pulling the line and see if the line is roughly equidistant from the rod at the mid points between the guides ( in other words, it follows the flex of the rod without any large disparities).. adjust all guides and test again, and again, and again [:)] . ??? jerry --?IôO ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com 1230114803; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:48:03 -0500 by rly- 1230114747; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:47:47 -0500 fBUGljW12160; fBUGlWW12123 Received: (qmail 12199 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 16:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ida.net) (208.141.176.68) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:46:17 -0700From: "Ralph W. Moon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)X-Accept-Language: en CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: guide spacingReferences: 3C2F42E6.4090201@sunset.net> Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CRENContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wugate.wustl.edu fBUGljW12160 from carstenjorgensen@mail.dk Sun Dec 30 16:06:30 2001 fBUM6SW21000 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:06:29 - Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:06:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed fBUM6TW21001 Hi Bill PHY the Midge regards, carsten from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Sun Dec 30 16:10:13 2001 fBUMACW21193 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:10:12 - for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:10:11 - Subject: Re: Disappointment Tony, I was disappointed also. Had to settle for 1L of 18 yr old Glenfiddich..... Sometimes life is tuff.... But the tough get going, yada yada, yada...... Mark At 11:47 PM 12/30/01 +0800, you wrote: 1lt of Glen Livet. I'm happy. Tony from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Sun Dec 30 16:18:19 2001 fBUMIIW21610 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:18:18 - OAA05801 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:16:40 - OAA27268 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:18:16 - fBUMIFN06523 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:18:15 - (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:18:16 -0800 Subject: snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Dec 30 16:32:32 2001 fBUMWUW21958 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:32:30 - (authenticated) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:32:06 -0800 Subject: Re: snow Snow? Snow? What's all this white stuff you guys are talking about? Neversnows here in Louisiana. Don't know what y'all are complaining about sobitterly. Harry PS -- gotta brag to someone. Caught 3 of the biggest browns of my life lastFriday. 21", 23", 24", all on bamboo, of course. Rick C. -- try the ShootingGallery on the Norfork this week. "Coffey, Patrick W" wrote: I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from KyleDruey@aol.com Sun Dec 30 16:48:53 2001 fBUMmqW22460 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:48:52 - for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:48:48 - Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Bill, ditto with Carsten. Coincidentally, I am building this taper to give to my son for his 7th Bday on 2/19/02, and will be his first fly rod. Just finished gluing and sanding, can't wait to cast it. Just waiting for the ferrules to arrive. This rod is turning out so much better than I imagined (my first rod), the little fart is going to have to pry it out of my hands if he wants it! Kyle In a message dated 12/30/2001 2:06:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, carstenjorgensen@mail.dk writes: Hi BillPHY the Midgeregards,carsten----------------------- Headers ---------------- ----------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf01.mx.aol.com (rly-xf01.mail.aol.com Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:06:43 -0500 rly- Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:06:41 -0500 fBUM6dW21035; fBUM6SW21000 Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:06:27 +0100Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carsten_J=F8rgensen?= References: Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion NeededDate: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:07:17 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit fBUM6TW21001Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Dec 30 16:49:11 2001 fBUMnAW22512 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:49:10 - helo=g2t8c9) id 16KolN-0007QO-00; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:49:05 -0800 Subject: Re: guide spacing It is so cold here in So. Ca. I had to put on a long pair of shorts and atee shirt with sleeves. If it gets any colder I will have to take off mysandals and put on shoes. Adam Vigil----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: guide spacing 58Ÿ????????? Hell, it's even snowing here in Oklahoma today (just startedabout 30 minutes ago)... 58Ÿ just isn't fair!!! Warm here by most standards at 28Ÿ. By the way, to our friends in Upstate New York, hope you don't get completely covered up! Heard Buffalo got 6 feet of snow in 5 days. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:28 AMSubject: Re: guide spacing Jerry & Ralph, ah come on guys, you are depriving me of an A/Rendorphin rush [:)] ! I was going to lay those guides on the rod to the nearest thoucalculated by the guide spacing equation, I had the spreadsheet cellsformatted to the fourth decimal and then was going to round to the nearest mil.... Seriously, thank you for providing the insights needed to work with thatguide spacing formula. I had a feeling that using the equation was just too easy! Regards, Kyle I just hate winter. It must be 58 degrees out there and another sweatshirt day here in CA. [:)] In a message dated 12/30/2001 8:48:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, rmoon@ida.net writes: It's the only way Jerry, ThanksRalph Jerry Foster wrote: Harry No. Yes. A word of warning to beginners about guide spacing.. all given length rods are not =. do to the difference in tapers each rod assumes its own flex characteristics (especially near the tip) and i believe one set of spacing dimensions does not fit all. if you want to generalize thespacing then the one size fits all is OK. But...You should temporarily mount the guides run a line through them, flex the rod by pulling the line and see if the line is roughly equidistant from the rod at the mid points between the guides ( in other words, it follows the flex of the rod without any large disparities).. adjust all guides and test again, and again, and again [:)] . ??? jerry --?IôO ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com 1230114803; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:48:03 -0500 by rly- 1230114747; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:47:47 -0500 fBUGljW12160; fBUGlWW12123 0600 Received: (qmail 12199 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 16:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ida.net) (208.141.176.68) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:46:17 -0700From: "Ralph W. Moon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)X-Accept-Language: en CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: guide spacingReferences: 3C2F42E6.4090201@sunset.net> Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) byCRENContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wugate.wustl.edu fBUGljW12160 from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Dec 30 16:55:03 2001 fBUMt2W23148 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:55:02 - helo=g2t8c9) id 16Kor6-0004u5-00; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:55:01 -0800 Subject: Re: snow Rain what's that? I got drizzled on running around playing paintballyesterday. Paintball is my golf. Shooting teenagers and making them fearthe old ones is a blast. Remember everyone to watch the Rose Parade onTuesday. That is really close to where I live. Let me see, no rain, no snow,no fish! Somehow St. Anthony's is looking good even with the snow. Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from horsesho@ptd.net Sun Dec 30 17:11:55 2001 fBUNBsW23606 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:11:54 - (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4177. . Clean. Processed in 0.758478 secs); 30 Dec 200123:11:54 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed 7' 4wt. Sir D. If she gets tired of fishing later in life she can keep the boys at bay with it.Marty Bill Walters wrote: My 7-year old daughter has just started flyfishing andI'm going to make her a rod this winter. Before anyonesays anything about how young she is, just know thatthis girl is like her mother, she does anything shesets her mind to and she decided this past year tostart flyfishing, just like her father. Her cast isstill rough but I know that when I put her in acasting class this spring she'll do fine. Now, what I need is a suggestion on what to make for abeginner never tainted by the plastic rod bug. She isabout 3 to 4 inches taller than many in her age rangeand has good hand,eye coordination. Any help? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from HARRISTRIBE@aol.com Sun Dec 30 18:19:24 2001 fBV0JJW24531 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:19:19 - Subject: Re: guide spacing rmoon@ida.net,Jfoster@sunset.net In a message dated 12/30/2001 3:49:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: I know what you mean Adam. My family and I went over to spend the holidays with the in-laws in Carlsbad, Ca. It was so cold over there one morning we actually turned the heater on in the suburban. Never happens here in Phoenix. And just what are shoes?Happy New YearJim Harris It is so cold here in So. Ca. I had to put on a long pair of shorts and atee shirt with sleeves. If it gets any colder I will have to take off mysandals and put on shoes. In a message dated12/30/2001 3:49:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.netwrites: so cold over there one morning we actually turned the heater on in the shoes?Happy New YearJim Harris It is so coldhere in So. Ca. I had to put on a long pair of shorts and atee shirt with sleeves. If it gets any colder I will have to take off mysandals and put on shoes. from bob@downandacross.com Sun Dec 30 18:44:31 2001 fBV0iUW25070 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:44:30 - Subject: RE: guide spacing, Now CA winter Buffalo, as in, Buffalo Bob. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: guide spacing, Now CA winter Bob, Where in He** do you live. I thought we had it bad with about three feet. Ralph from ajthramer@hotmail.com Sun Dec 30 18:46:33 2001 fBV0kWW25263 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:46:33 - Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:46:27 -0800 Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:46:27 GMT Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed FILETIME=[94770560:01C19194] I would agree with Robert Kope that a super short rod makes life more difficult for a beginning caster than a short 'average' rod. A Dickerson 6611 is a nice one but a 7 ft Granger is very easy to time and more versatile. It will even handle small weighted nymphs(up to #10 or so).A.J. From: Bill Walters Subject: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed My 7-year old daughter has just started flyfishing andI'm going to make her a rod this winter. Before anyonesays anything about how young she is, just know thatthis girl is like her mother, she does anything shesets her mind to and she decided this past year tostart flyfishing, just like her father. Her cast isstill rough but I know that when I put her in acasting class this spring she'll do fine. Now, what I need is a suggestion on what to make for abeginner never tainted by the plastic rod bug. She isabout 3 to 4 inches taller than many in her age rangeand has good hand,eye coordination. Any help? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from rmoon@ida.net Sun Dec 30 19:13:41 2001 fBV1DeW26032 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:13:40 - Jfoster@sunset.net, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Happy New Year --------------8C8FF74AE0032B2E89B295D2 Hey you guys--We are having a heat wave. I actually was able to takeoff my sealskin mukluks today and put on LL Bean snow packs. I alsotook off three anoraks. While chewing my blubber, I caught three killerwhales--16', 18' and a 21footer. Sorry the end of the year is making mesilly. Happy New year all. Ralph HARRISTRIBE@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/30/2001 3:49:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time,atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: I know what you mean Adam. My family and I went over to spend theholidays with the in-laws in Carlsbad, Ca. It was so cold over thereone morning we actually turned the heater on in the suburban. Neverhappens here in Phoenix. And just what are shoes?Happy New YearJim Harris It is so cold here in So. Ca. I had to put on a long pair of shortsand atee shirt with sleeves. If it gets any colder I will have to takeoff mysandals and put on shoes. --?IôO --------------8C8FF74AE0032B2E89B295D2 RalphHARRISTRIBE@aol.com wrote:In amessagedated 12/30/2001 3:49:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time,atlasc1@earthlink.netwrites:I know whatyou Happy NewYearJimHarris Itis so cold here in So. Ca. I had to put on a long pair of shorts andatee shirtwithsleeves. If it gets any colder I will have to take offmysandals andput on shoes. --ÐÏࡱá --------------8C8FF74AE0032B2E89B295D2-- from lblan@provide.net Sun Dec 30 19:22:10 2001 fBV1M9W26394 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:22:09 - for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:22:08 - Subject: RE: Happy New Year Congrats Ralph! Let 'em keep Southern CA! Looks like they changed the slotlimits on the whales again! Larry Blan -----Original Message----- Jfoster@sunset.net; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Happy New Year Hey you guys--We are having a heat wave. I actually was able to take off mysealskin mukluks today and put on LL Bean snow packs. I also took off threeanoraks. While chewing my blubber, I caught three killer whales--16', 18'and a 21footer. Sorry the end of the year is making me silly. Happy Newyear all.RalphHARRISTRIBE@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 12/30/2001 3:49:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time,atlasc1@earthlink.net writes:I know what you mean Adam. My family and I went over to spend the holidayswith the in-laws in Carlsbad, Ca. It was so cold over there one morning weactually turned the heater on in the suburban. Never happens here inPhoenix. And just what are shoes?Happy New YearJim Harris It is so cold here in So. Ca. I had to put on a long pair of shorts and atee shirt with sleeves. If it gets any colder I will have to take off mysandals and put on shoes. --?IôO from jteft@frontiernet.net Sun Dec 30 19:37:28 2001 fBV1bRW26795 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:37:28 - 0000 Subject: Re: guide spacing, Now CA winter Ralph etc.To tell you how screwy the snow storm in Buffalo is that has Bob shovelingevery 2 minutes, Pat and I live 60 miles east of Bob and we have had about 3inches to his 80 + inches.Jim Tefft----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: guide spacing, Now CA winter Buffalo, as in, Buffalo Bob. -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:12 PM Cc: KyleDruey@aol.com; Jfoster@sunset.net; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: guide spacing, Now CA winter Bob, Where in He** do you live. I thought we had it bad with aboutthree feet. Ralph from FISHWOOL@aol.com Sun Dec 30 20:23:28 2001 fBV2NRW27498 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:23:27 - Subject: Re: guide spacing Rev'd Dummy,I ain't no expert but in my case the running foot plus portion thereof plus 1 includes the stripper. For an 8' 6" I use 10 guides which include 1 or 2 strippers depending on line wgt. and does NOT include the tip top. Also, I've been using the guide formula for years with no discernible ill effects but I haven't run into a taper that didn't work well with the formula. I've even had an 8' for a 7 or 8 wgt. forward that would cast 20+ feet into the backing. Yeah, I'm talking cane.Regards,Hank, the non ecclesiastical (sp?) dummy. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Dec 30 23:20:20 2001 fBV5KJW29565 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:20:19 - Subject: Re: Disappointment Well, I guess these things have to fall to somebody to bear. I'll be doing my level best to deal with it tonight (New Years) Tony At 05:11 PM 12/30/01 -0500, Mark Wendt wrote: Tony, I was disappointed also. Had to settle for 1L of 18 yr old Glenfiddich..... Sometimes life is tuff.... But the tough get going, yada yada, yada...... Mark At 11:47 PM 12/30/01 +0800, you wrote: 1lt of Glen Livet. I'm happy. Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Dec 30 23:25:34 2001 fBV5PWW29779 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:25:33 - rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed In every sport I ever tried my hand at be it rock climbing, kayaking, football, fishing etc it was always my opinion that you should NOT start of with "inferior" gear.That would in this case mean a rod any different to what you your self would use for the area you're fishing.All starting off with "beginner" gear ever does is make life harder than it needs to be to get good. Also, if a person is interested in the sport that person becomes good in a surprisingly short time and needs the better gear anyhow.Try a Sir D. Tony At 12:46 AM 12/31/01 +0000, Allen Thramer wrote: I would agree with Robert Kope that a super short rod makes life more difficult for a beginning caster than a short 'average' rod. A Dickerson 6611 is a nice one but a 7 ft Granger is very easy to time and more versatile. It will even handle small weighted nymphs(up to #10 or so).A.J. From: Bill Walters Subject: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed My 7-year old daughter has just started flyfishing andI'm going to make her a rod this winter. Before anyonesays anything about how young she is, just know thatthis girl is like her mother, she does anything shesets her mind to and she decided this past year tostart flyfishing, just like her father. Her cast isstill rough but I know that when I put her in acasting class this spring she'll do fine. Now, what I need is a suggestion on what to make for abeginner never tainted by the plastic rod bug. She isabout 3 to 4 inches taller than many in her age rangeand has good hand,eye coordination. Any help? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from petermckean@netspace.net.au Mon Dec 31 06:33:42 2001 fBVCXeW04359 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:33:41 - fBVCXXD18961; Subject: Re: guide spacing Yes, Bob, but here is a thing! Down here in Australia it's supposed to be SUMMER; and summer in Australiais meant to be HOT. But on Boxing Day, I dropped my wife and daughter off at a place calledCradle Mountain for them to do a 5-day mountain walk from Cradle Mt toLakeSt Clair; it is a walk I cannot do because I have a spinal condition whichmeans I cannot carry a 40-50 lb pack for 5 days and sleep on a Thermarestin a tent! Sometimes, actually, just sometimes, the bloody spinal thing is abit of a blessing. When I dropped them off, they headed off into a dense snow storm, a 40knotwind, and about 12" of ground cover snow. Now, I know that is not exactlyAlaska on a cold day, but believe me, it's not too shabby for December 26thDown Under. Happy New Year Peter from edriddle@mindspring.com Mon Dec 31 06:36:40 2001 fBVCaeW04570 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:36:40 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16L1gC-0003xM-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:36:36 -0500 Subject: Fw: snow Harry:I can't let you get away with that "no snow in LA". I watched the Bowl gameon the tube played in Shreveport, 12/00 (Texas A&M vs Miss. State?). But I believe your tale on nailing those Brownies...go figure.Regards.Ed ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: snow Snow? Snow? What's all this white stuff you guys are talking about? Never snows here in Louisiana. Don't know what y'all are complaining about sobitterly. Harry PS -- gotta brag to someone. Caught 3 of the biggest browns of my life last Friday. 21", 23", 24", all on bamboo, of course. Rick C. -- try the Shooting Gallery on the Norfork this week. "Coffey, Patrick W" wrote: I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from petermckean@netspace.net.au Mon Dec 31 06:40:55 2001 fBVCerW04844 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:40:53 - fBVCelD19344; Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when youcast it. ------------------ GeorgeAldritch? Peter from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Dec 31 07:21:37 2001 fBVDLaW05372 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:21:36 - Subject: Re: guide spacing This is too true in Tassie. I think we spoke of that a week or so back Peter?HOWEVER for those inclined please give a thought for the people of Sydney who are experiencing a NORMAL Aust Summer and are in fact ringed byserious forest fires that have been raging since Christmas Day and have no end in sight. So far over 150 people have lost their homes and many have nothing they didn't evacuate in.I have a brother who is a fireman/paramedic based in Queensland who is there assisting by relieving men who have been at this from the start who tells me it's something from hell with winds in the fire gusting to 60 mph roaring up hills with eucalyptus oil air explosions happening a couple of hundred feet in the air causing fires to jump breaks.I don't think many have been killed or hurt but there was a fireman bitten I must admit it's a strange place where the spiders are worse than the fires. Tony At 11:32 PM 12/31/01 +1100, Peter McKean wrote: Yes, Bob, but here is a thing! Down here in Australia it's supposed to be SUMMER; and summer inAustraliais meant to be HOT. But on Boxing Day, I dropped my wife and daughter off at a place calledCradle Mountain for them to do a 5-day mountain walk from Cradle Mt toLakeSt Clair; it is a walk I cannot do because I have a spinal condition whichmeans I cannot carry a 40-50 lb pack for 5 days and sleep on aThermarestin a tent! Sometimes, actually, just sometimes, the bloody spinal thing is abit of a blessing. When I dropped them off, they headed off into a dense snow storm, a 40knotwind, and about 12" of ground cover snow. Now, I know that is not exactlyAlaska on a cold day, but believe me, it's not too shabby for December 26thDown Under. Happy New Year Peter /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Dec 31 07:23:57 2001 fBVDNtW05564 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:23:55 - Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed That's an amazingly good description of what happens with that little rocket. Tony At 11:40 PM 12/31/01 +1100, Peter McKean wrote: The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when youcast it. ------------------ GeorgeAldritch? Peter /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from jojo@ipa.net Mon Dec 31 07:57:29 2001 fBVDvSW06102 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:57:28 -0600 helo=default) id 16L2wM-0007SM-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:57:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed My vote on this is the Midge, as well -- the #2 in the Hexrod Archives. George *was* the true defender of the faith, wasn't he? M-D The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when youcast it. ------------------ George Aldritch? Peter from jojo@ipa.net Mon Dec 31 08:02:10 2001 fBVE29W06306 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:02:09 -0600 helo=default) id 16L30x-0003rJ-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:02:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Amazingly good description only if you consider that it had come fromsomeone besides Peter. For Peter, just par for the course. The amazingthing a context, making a perfect analogy. Even Peter's scanner and computerconspire against him regularly, with the scanner having a deep, abidinghatred for him. M-D That's an amazingly good description of what happens with that little rocket. Tony At 11:40 PM 12/31/01 +1100, Peter McKean wrote: The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when you cast it. ------------------ George Aldritch? Peter /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from lblan@provide.net Mon Dec 31 08:11:45 2001 fBVEBiW06745 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:11:45 -0600 with HTTP id 8205142; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:11:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed I can't argue that choice. George was indeed. I do miss some of the conversations backand forth. Not only did he have first hand knowledge, heenjoyed sharing it. Larry Blan On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:55:08 -0600"Jojo DeLancier" wrote: My vote on this is the Midge, as well -- the #2 in theHexrod Archives. George *was* the true defender of the faith, wasn't he? M-D From: "Peter McKean" The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when you cast it. ------------------ sessions are withoutGeorge Aldritch? Peter from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Mon Dec 31 08:49:27 2001 fBVEnRW07785 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:49:27 - Subject: Disappointment, snow, fishing Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools Well for Christmas I gat a toy trout the dogs ate, a trout door mat thewife wiped the dogs $#^%& her shoes with and a plaque that says =93womenlove me and fish fear me=94 that mysteriously disappeared while taking =thetree down Saturday. Hear in Connecticut we haven=92t had more than a couple inches of snow,the rivers are just starting to crust over with ice at night, makes forsome nice afternoon fishing with black winter caddis 22-24=92s orsteamers. Spent yesterday afternoon catching a few nice 12-18=94 browns.The wind was blowing so streamers were the way to go. I have was fishingmy grandfathers old Bristol 8=926 3/2 with a 7wt. Tosses streamers =nicely. Hopefully New Years Day will bring on some more good fishing if I canget the toes thawed out. Happy New Year to all!! Pete CleanDocumentEmail MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle- rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso- style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para- margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow- orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} Well for Christmas I gat a toy trout the dogs ate, a =troutdoor mat the wife wiped the dogs $#^%& her shoes with and a plaque =that says“women love me and fish fear me” that mysteriously =disappearedwhile taking the tree down Saturday. Hear in Connecticut we haven’t had more than a =coupleinches of snow, the rivers are just starting to crust over with ice at =night,makes for some nice afternoon fishing with black winter caddis =22-24’s orsteamers. Spent yesterday afternoon catching a few nice 12-18” =browns.The wind was blowing so streamers were the way to go. I have was fishing =mygrandfathers old Bristol 8’63/2 with a 7wt. Tosses streamers nicely. Hopefully New Years Day will bring on some more good =fishingif I can get the toes thawed out. Happy New Year to all!! Pete from LambersonW@missouri.edu Mon Dec 31 08:58:54 2001 fBVEwrW08199 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:58:53 - (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:58:45 -0600 Subject: RE: Disappointment My family was very kind to me again this year, my mother-in-law gave me asubscription to Fly Fisherman and a used Hardy Flyweight, my brother-in- lawa set of flannel sheets with trout on them, my wife a Buck folding huntingknife, my son a copy of Sibley's Guide to Birds, and my daughter a Prosektrout poster. All in all it was a pretty good year. Bill Lamberson from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Dec 31 09:27:27 2001 fBVFRRW09216 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:27:27 - for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:27:23 - Subject: Kunz scraper and planes A few days ago I mentioned I had resurrected an old Kunz scraper #112 thatI hadn't used much. I tuned it up and it works nicely. Lie Nielson also makes a 112, that appears heavier duty, but carries a bigger price tag, also.I have not come across a US outlet for Kunz yet, but would appreciatehearing http://www.fine-tools.com/ediv.htmand check out the Kunz stuff. Look at the #300-S plane pictured under the #112. I would like to find out more about it, as it looks to be just about right for our purposes. The 44 mm width would indicate about a 1 1/2" blade. Depending on length, it looks like it could fall into the #2 category. The short blade opens up a lot of space for the hand. $1 euro = $.90 US (I think.) from jfreeman@cyberport.com Mon Dec 31 09:32:52 2001 fBVFWoW09718 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:32:50 -0600 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed All, Everyone that has used my Midge has fallen in love with it. I think it's oneof the best small stream rods out there and will spoil you for that purpose.Now, let's step up a notch to a medium stream where you may want to throwsome lead - even a very small amount of micro shot. The Midge runs outpretty quick - less than 15 feet or so and limits your ability to cover muchwater. Granted, it will throw a dry for 50 to 60 feet and is a blast formidge dry fishing. John Channer stood beside me as I landed a couple of 20"+trout on the San Juan doing just that. The rod was bent double butperformedwonderfully. But, as a first rod or something meant for more all-around use,I would recommend the Sir D or something similar in 7' + for #4 or #5 wt.You get a bit more spine and flexibility for your fishing, at least in myopinion. Still, it's is a mighty fine taper and is definitely one I'drecommend for tight, small streams. Jim----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed My vote on this is the Midge, as well -- the #2 in the Hexrod Archives. George *was* the true defender of the faith, wasn't he? M-D From: "Peter McKean" The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when you cast it. ------------------ George Aldritch? Peter from lblan@provide.net Mon Dec 31 09:41:11 2001 fBVFfBW10173 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:41:11 - with HTTP id 8209745; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:41:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Kunz scraper and planes Woodcraft sells the Kunz 112 Scraper Plane ($80.00) The onlyother Kunz product they carry are spokeshaves. Larry Blan On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:27:23 ESTTSmithwick@aol.com wrote: A few days ago I mentioned I had resurrected an old Kunzscraper #112 that I hadn't used much. I tuned it up and it works nicely. LieNielson also makes a 112, that appears heavier duty, but carries a biggerprice tag, also.I have not come across a US outlet for Kunz yet, butwould appreciate hearing http://www.fine-tools.com/ediv.htmand check out the Kunz stuff. Look at the #300-S planepictured under the #112. I would like to find out more about it, as it looksto be just about right for our purposes. The 44 mm width would indicateabout a 1 1/2" blade. Depending on length, it looks like it could fall into the#2 category. The short blade opens up a lot of space for the hand. $1euro = $.90 US (I think.) from Grayson.Davis@valpo.edu Mon Dec 31 10:15:36 2001 fBVGFVW11362 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:15:31 - fBVGFUo13466 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:15:30 - M2001123110152932303 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:14:01 - Subject: Re: reel seat fillers On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:33:51 -0500 Jeff Schaeffer wrote:... I mounted it vertically in a drill press, drilled out half, then switched it end-for-end and drilled out theother side. Then mounted it on a Mandrel, knocked off the edges with arasp,and turned it. This worked fine, but does anyone have any special tricks forcounterboring? Bits, jigs, etc. I use a center finder (Harbor Freight; cheap) to mark one end. Then I make a short hole. That goes over a dowel mounted in a board centered on my drill press table. I center mark the "up" end and drill to the dowel. I read this trick in one of the wood working mags. -----------------------------------------Grayson DavisEmail: Grayson.Davis@valpo.eduValparaiso University from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Dec 31 10:21:20 2001 fBVGLIW11740 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:21:19 -0600 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed It is sad without George and his nobler sig. Tony At 07:55 AM 12/31/01 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: My vote on this is the Midge, as well -- the #2 in the Hexrod Archives. George *was* the true defender of the faith, wasn't he? M-D From: "Peter McKean" The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when youcast it. ------------------ George Aldritch? Peter /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Dec 31 10:28:08 2001 fBVGS7W12117 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:28:07 -0600 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Yor're right of course. Peter being the people's poet does have that way with words and his grasp of all things computational considering the conspirational way everything from his printer to scanner gang up on him on a very regular basis makes it all the more so.Personally I think printers are the natural enemy of the office worker. Tony At 07:59 AM 12/31/01 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Amazingly good description only if you consider that it had come fromsomeone besides Peter. For Peter, just par for the course. The amazingthing sucha context, making a perfect analogy. Even Peter's scanner and computerconspire against him regularly, with the scanner having a deep, abidinghatred for him. M-D From: "Tony Young" That's an amazingly good description of what happens with that little rocket. Tony At 11:40 PM 12/31/01 +1100, Peter McKean wrote: The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when you cast it. ------------------ George Aldritch? Peter /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from owen@davies.mv.com Mon Dec 31 10:28:12 2001 fBVGSBW12122 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:28:11 - Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Tony Young sagely commented: In every sport I ever tried my hand at be it rock climbing, kayaking,football, fishing etc it was always my opinion that you should NOT start of with "inferior" gear. Case in point, which I may have told here before, but not Most of 20 years ago, I tried to teach my wife to cast a fly.I'm not the best possible teacher, and somehow it just wasn'tgetting through. After several sessions, she still had no senseof the rhythm of the process. Her line tended to hit the waterbehind her and went pretty much anywhere it pleased, whenit went anywhere at all. She had what I then thought was adecent rod, a 5-weight Orvis graphite. I'd still be willing tocast with it if need be. Then, while we were standing in the Ausable, casting to small,rising browns, an inspiration struck: I handed her my rod, a9-foot, 6-weight, 3-piece Orvis that still ranks as the bestgraphite rod I've ever held. Ten minutes later, with no input from me, she was laying out good casts of 30 feet or so andwas catching fish. Once she had heard what she was supposedto do, that rod made sense of it for her. It taught her to cast! Inferior equipment is for people who already know what theyare doing and can compensate for its defects. Beginners needthe best. It's a rule that never fails. Owen Davies from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Dec 31 10:30:11 2001 fBVGU9W12493 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:30:09 -0600 Subject: fire works The fireworks tell me it's 2002.May everybody have a happy and safe new year and hopefuly a morepromising one than the one past. Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html "If you were plowing a field, which would you rather use? Two strong oxen or 1024 chickens?"- Seymour Cray (1925-1996), father of supercomputing/*************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Dec 31 10:35:47 2001 fBVGZkW12979 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:35:46 -0600 (authenticated) Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:35:14 -0800 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Tony Young wrote: It is sad without George and his nobler sig. Tony, et al Just thought I'd remind you that the Southern Rodmakers Gathering madea small$ donation to one of George's favorite charities in his memory. I think it wasDennis Higham's idea, and the rest of us thought it only appropriate. I still miss George as well. I also miss some of the other regulars whousedto post to the list, but either are no longer with us, or have been scaredaway from posting by spam, virus, flames, and so forth. I know it's after Christmas and before New Year's (at least in the US).Perhaps this might be an appropriate reminder for all of us to make aresolutionto keep our posts to the list kind hearted and gentlemanly. Okay,gentlePERSONly. Wayne, Richard, Chris, George, John, Sean, and too many more tomention.... I Harry --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from Grayson.Davis@valpo.edu Mon Dec 31 10:36:50 2001 fBVGaoW13140 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:36:50 - fBVGano15184 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:36:49 - M2001123110364807868 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:35:20 - Subject: Re: wrapping options Working with Naples vs. Gossamer? Both are fine, but gossamer is a challenge. I about tore my hair out working with the stuff. Bob Nunley recommends that gossamer users should by aspirin and other strong painkillers in bulk for the headaches ... Jeff Schaeffer I couldn't wrap with Gossamer to save my butt (or tip) until I bought JW's wrapper. Now it's easy! I have no commercial interest, unless JW offers me a rebate. If he does, I'll apply it to another one of his tools. :^) -----------------------------------------Grayson DavisEmail: Grayson.Davis@valpo.eduValparaiso University from KyleDruey@aol.com Mon Dec 31 10:45:24 2001 fBVGjOW13685 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:45:24 - for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:45:14 - Subject: Induction Motor List: Is an induction motor the same thing as a shaded pole motor? The dishwasher pump motor I tried for my home-made powerstrop didn'thave enough torque and crapped out on me... I need to go in another direction. The two options I'm looking at are: 1) $35 Home Depot bench grinder, use with a fan motor speed control (this will work if the bench grinder has a shaded pole motor) 2) Use a low rpm continuous duty motor from the Surplus Center, $20 (the pain here is that the motor must be mounted, leveled, squared, and rig some kind of tool rest) 3) __________ (I don't know... fill in the blanks, I'm tapped out at the moment after the first rod start up costs hit me, so minimal expense is a factor) Thanks everyone, Kyle PS - I enjoyed all the insights shared on the PHY midge. Seems to be ideal 15'-20' or so for the first few years, then he can go on to something more versatile. The wild and native trout in our local waters are not easily spooked by a nearby cast and are more than willing to attack any decent top water offering (at least the smaller ones are!) PSS - Rev Boyd, way to go in knocking down those fat daddy Browns! I forone would have been thrilled with any one of those three fish. from Lazybee45@aol.com Mon Dec 31 11:15:56 2001 fBVHFtW14993 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:15:55 -0600 Subject: Re: fire works In a message dated 12/31/01 10:30:51 AM Central Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: Damn Ozzies have to do EVERYTHING first!Happy new year everybody!mark from lblan@provide.net Mon Dec 31 11:34:09 2001 fBVHY9W15664 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:34:09 - for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:33:58 - Subject: RE: Induction Motor No! Shaded Pole - a heavy wire is wrapped around one "pole" of the winding,hence the name "shaded pole". The shaded pole provides the initial change inmagnetic field that starts the motor. A typical use for a shaded pole motorwould be a humidifier, or the electronic damper on your furnace. These aretypically high rpm, very low torque motors that are coupled with a gearboxto provide the necessary operating torque/speed range. An induction motor is typical of the motors found in heavier dutyapplications. One example would be *most* tablesaws. An induction motortypically requires a capacitor to start. It cannot be controlled with asimple resistance type switch. My guess would be that the grinder motor willbe an induction motor. What rpm range are you aiming for with the powerstrop? The typical speedsyou will find on a bench grinder are 1750 or 3450. Bear in mind that the rpmof the grinder is only half the equation, the diameter of the wheel or stropdetermines the actual surface feet per minute. I haven't played with apowerstrop yet. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Induction Motor List: Is an induction motor the same thing as a shaded pole motor? The dishwasher pump motor I tried for my home-made powerstrop didn'thaveenough torque and crapped out on me... I need to go in anotherdirection.The two options I'm looking at are: 1) $35 Home Depot bench grinder, use with a fan motor speedcontrol (thiswill work if the bench grinder has a shaded pole motor) 2) Use a low rpm continuous duty motor from the Surplus Center, $20(thepain here is that the motor must be mounted, leveled, squared,and rig somekind of tool rest) 3) __________ (I don't know... fill in the blanks, I'm tapped out at themoment after the first rod start up costs hit me, so minimal expense is afactor) Thanks everyone, Kyle PS - I enjoyed all the insights shared on the PHY midge. Seemsto be ideal flick dry flys15'-20' or so for the first few years, then he can go on tosomething moreversatile. The wild and native trout in our local waters are not easilyspooked by a nearby cast and are more than willing to attack anydecent topwater offering (at least the smaller ones are!) PSS - Rev Boyd, way to go in knocking down those fat daddyBrowns! I for onewould have been thrilled with any one of those three fish. from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Mon Dec 31 12:06:58 2001 fBVI6vW17033 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:06:57 -0600 Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:08:09 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Rodmakers discussion group Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed I couldn't agree more! With both of you.Shawn Harry Boyd wrote: Tony Young wrote: It is sad without George and his nobler sig. Tony, et al Just thought I'd remind you that the Southern Rodmakers Gathering madea small$ donation to one of George's favorite charities in his memory. I think itwasDennis Higham's idea, and the rest of us thought it only appropriate. I still miss George as well. I also miss some of the other regulars who usedto post to the list, but either are no longer with us, or have been scaredaway from posting by spam, virus, flames, and so forth. I know it's after Christmas and before New Year's (at least in the US).Perhaps this might be an appropriate reminder for all of us to make aresolutionto keep our posts to the list kind hearted and gentlemanly. Okay,gentlePERSONly. Wayne, Richard, Chris, George, John, Sean, and too many more tomention.... I Harry --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from jeremy@goflyfishing.com Mon Dec 31 12:09:03 2001 fBVI93W17246 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:09:03 - helo=8hkx10b) id 16L6rr-0002U9-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:08:59 -0500 Subject: RE: Disappointment I got the requisite bottle of Remi XO, only downside is I have to make itlast til next christmas. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Disappointment Tony, I was disappointed also. Had to settle for 1L of 18 yr oldGlenfiddich..... Sometimes life is tuff.... But the tough get going, yadayada, yada...... Mark At 11:47 PM 12/30/01 +0800, you wrote: 1lt of Glen Livet. I'm happy. Tony from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Mon Dec 31 12:09:35 2001 fBVI9YW17369 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:09:34 -0600 Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:10:07 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Naw I think it's Scuzzi , Kodak printers, and Windows 2000 myself, cursedthingsthey are!!Shawn Tony Young wrote: Yor're right of course. Peter being the people's poet does have that waywith words and his grasp of all things computational considering theconspirational way everything from his printer to scanner gang up on himona very regular basis makes it all the more so.Personally I think printers are the natural enemy of the office worker. Tony At 07:59 AM 12/31/01 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Amazingly good description only if you consider that it had come fromsomeone besides Peter. For Peter, just par for the course. The amazingthing sucha context, making a perfect analogy. Even Peter's scanner and computerconspire against him regularly, with the scanner having a deep, abidinghatred for him. M-D From: "Tony Young" That's an amazingly good description of what happens with that little rocket. Tony At 11:40 PM 12/31/01 +1100, Peter McKean wrote: The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when you cast it. ------------------ George Aldritch? Peter /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Mon Dec 31 12:11:16 2001 fBVIBFW17648 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:11:15 - for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:11:08 - Subject: Re: Disappointment Tony, Guess it's still nice to know there's fella's out there such as us who pick up the slack for those better off than us..... ;^} Mark At 01:25 PM 12/31/01 +0800, you wrote: Well, I guess these things have to fall to somebody to bear. I'll be doing my level best to deal with it tonight (New Years) Tony At 05:11 PM 12/30/01 -0500, Mark Wendt wrote: Tony, I was disappointed also. Had to settle for 1L of 18 yr old Glenfiddich..... Sometimes life is tuff.... But the tough get going, yada yada, yada...... Mark At 11:47 PM 12/30/01 +0800, you wrote: 1lt of Glen Livet. I'm happy. Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Mon Dec 31 12:14:15 2001 fBVIEEW18018 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:14:14 -0600 Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:15:24 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: fire works Seems like yesterday we were all waiting in suspense to see if the Y2K bugwould wipe out our list, computers and way of life!Just the other day I got a good chuckle at Staples they had a whole bin fullof Y2K detection/repair software for only $5.99!! I wonder how many ofthosethey'll sell?? ;^) Shawn Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/31/01 10:30:51 AM Central Standard Time,avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: The fireworks tell me it's 2002.May everybody have a happy and safe new year and hopefuly a morepromisingone than the one past. Tony >> Damn Ozzies have to do EVERYTHING first!Happy new year everybody!mark from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Mon Dec 31 12:14:52 2001 fBVIEpW18155 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:14:51 - for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:14:50 - Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed He was also a heck of a model airplane designer, builder and pilot also. I've been flying model aircraft since the early 70's and George's name was well known in the modeling circles way back then too. Mark Wendt At 09:11 AM 12/31/01 -0500, you wrote: I can't argue that choice. George was indeed. I do miss some of the conversations backand forth. Not only did he have first hand knowledge, heenjoyed sharing it. Larry Blan On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:55:08 -0600"Jojo DeLancier" wrote: My vote on this is the Midge, as well -- the #2 in theHexrod Archives. George *was* the true defender of the faith, wasn't he? M-D From: "Peter McKean" The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when you cast it. ------------------ sessions are withoutGeorge Aldritch? Peter from boyko@peoplepc.com Mon Dec 31 12:39:09 2001 fBVId8W19194 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:39:08 -0600 -0800 "Rodmakers discussion group" Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Hi: Tony: Just got back into town, I missed out on this news about George. Ido not mean to be rude, but who was George and where was he from. Help mewith any inf. I would appreciate it. boyko@peoplepc.com----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed It is sad without George and his nobler sig. Tony At 07:55 AM 12/31/01 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: My vote on this is the Midge, as well -- the #2 in the Hexrod Archives. George *was* the true defender of the faith, wasn't he? M-D From: "Peter McKean" The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when you cast it. ------------------ George Aldritch? Peter /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from jerryy@webtv.net Mon Dec 31 12:39:40 2001 fBVIddW19313 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:39:39 - by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with 2114.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id KAA20958; ETAuAhUAmBWjNeVJRWK2kddidYspxwP+KEkCFQCRi1hRXtJL05aKiM4mZtmOMcZFfQ== Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed 31 Dec 2001 13:15:53 -0500 Two years ago I met Geo and the then President of the Amer. Model Assn.at our international modeling show, here in Toledo. We had a cup ofcoffee together, when I told them I don't do any modeling any longer.The show is a good place to find all kinds of neat tools. Then thesubject turned to bamboo rods. Geo immediatly got very interested inthe Morgan hand mill that I use. A real gentleman, I'm sure he will bemissed. Regards, Jerry Young from flytyr@southshore.com Mon Dec 31 13:14:04 2001 fBVJE3W21012 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:14:03 - fBVJDnc03822; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:13:49 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Jerry,I had George here for the SRG last year (2000). We had a lot of discussionon model planes.I go way back with gas models. Got my first engine in 1945 or 46. It wasone of the first production engines after WW2, a "Brown D". George sold allmy spark plug gas engines for me, took them back to Texas with him gotthemall running, I had 11 of them.We made up a Para 15 Blank while he was here.You mention the Morgan Mill, when I talked to his wife several months ago,she told me a delivery truck with a crate for George from a Morgansomewhere out west. She did not accept delivery, it was the day of hisfuneral.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jerry Young wrote: Two years ago I met Geo and the then President of the Amer. Model Assn.at our international modeling show, here in Toledo. We had a cup ofcoffee together, when I told them I don't do any modeling any longer.The show is a good place to find all kinds of neat tools. Then thesubject turned to bamboo rods. Geo immediatly got very interested inthe Morgan hand mill that I use. A real gentleman, I'm sure he will bemissed. Regards, Jerry Young from teekay35@interlynx.net Mon Dec 31 13:17:39 2001 fBVJHcW21365 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:17:39 - 9306211E2E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:17:37 - Subject: American Angler Magazine/Silk Lines List member Reed Curry has an article about silk lines in the current issueof American Angler. Very thorough and well written. Good work, Reed! from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 14:07:00 2001 fBVK70W22850 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:07:00 -0600 31 Dec 2001 12:06:59 PST Subject: devcon 5min epoxy all, i thought i would share with you this experience.i needed to replace some ferrules i glued on a rod ayear ago. they got goofed up. the rod wasn't hurt. ihave been thinking about changing my ferrule adhesivedue to some recent discussions about epoxy longevity.first i used heat, just a little at first. i used mylighter. then i used my alcohol lamp. this was notworking so i used a can of freeze spray. i froze theserascals. no luck. i decided that i would pull off thetabs. then i used an alcohol lamp again. no go! morefreeze spray. would not budge. i got out my dremel andused a diamond burr and cut the ferrules to pieces.guess what! i had to pry every single little piece offthe rod with a pocket knife razor blade and pliers. itjust seems to me that the epoxy was working fine. ihave some more epoxy to use before i rethink theferrule adhesive issue again. timothy ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from rcurry@ttlc.net Mon Dec 31 14:56:36 2001 fBVKuZW24245 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:56:35 - User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: American Angler Magazine/Silk Lines Ted, You are ever the Grand gentleman. Thank you for the kind words. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Ted wrote: List member Reed Curry has an article about silk lines in the current issueof American Angler. Very thorough and well written. Good work, Reed! . -- > from jojo@ipa.net Mon Dec 31 14:57:02 2001 Received: from fBVKv1W24349 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16L9UP-00003l-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Mon,31 Dec 2001 15:56:57 -0500 Message-ID:From: "Jojo DeLancier" References: Subject: Re:Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:54:23 - rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Good point, Owen. M- D From:"Owen Davies" Inferior equipment is for people who already know what theyare doing and can compensate for its defects. Beginners needthe best. It's a rule that never fails. Owen Davies from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Mon Dec 31 15:57:10 2001 fBVLv9W26239 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:57:09 - PAA14733 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:57:07 - NAA01828 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:57:06 - fBVLv5N03506 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:57:05 - (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:57:07 -0800 Subject: FW: Disappointment be glad to share the two gallons of tekillya I got!!!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Disappointment Well, I guess these things have to fall to somebody to bear. I'll be doing my level best to deal with it tonight (New Years) Tony At 05:11 PM 12/30/01 -0500, Mark Wendt wrote: Tony, I was disappointed also. Had to settle for 1L of 18 yr old Glenfiddich..... Sometimes life is tuff.... But the tough get going, yada yada, yada...... Mark At 11:47 PM 12/30/01 +0800, you wrote: 1lt of Glen Livet. I'm happy. Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from horsesho@ptd.net Mon Dec 31 16:34:52 2001 fBVMYpW27472 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:34:51 - (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.780681 secs); 31 Dec 200122:19:06 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Happy New Year! Hi List, I wouild like to wish everyone a Healthy & Happy New Year. Marty from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 16:45:37 2001 fBVMjbW27847 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:45:37 - 31 Dec 2001 14:45:36 PST Subject: Re: Happy New Year! Here, here! --- "Marty D." wrote: Hi List, I wouild like to wish everyone a Healthy &Happy New Year. Marty ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from Dkenney94@cs.com Mon Dec 31 17:13:55 2001 fBVNDsW28488 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:13:54 - Subject: Re: devcon 5min epoxy Tim, what you want to do is put the whole section in the freezer about 10 -15 seconds. The ferrule will pull of with ease. It's really kind of scary How easy! & it doesn't seem to matter what brand of epoxy used. I still think epoxy works well for ferrules (No returns yet). I routinely cast rods in the winter months & even at -10 degrees i've haven't had a failure.I don't think their is a clear best glue for ferrules. in the freezer for 2 hours. Then heat the ferrule with a heat gun it doesn't seem to matter what brand of epoxy used. routinely cast rods in the winter months & even at -10 degrees i'vehaven't had a failure. ferrules. from channer@frontier.net Mon Dec 31 17:14:24 2001 fBVNEMW28583 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:14:22 - for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:14:24 - Subject: Re: Induction Motor Kyle;If the budget is tight, just use an old leather belt for a strop. Forthat matter, I just use the palm of my hand, but you would have to seemy hands to appreciate that. If you are going to use some sort of speedcontrol, then you have to have the type of motor that is intended forthat use, one that is not will just burn up. Sorry, I don't rememberwhat that type of motor is called, but I do know that a table saw orgrinder motor won't work.john KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: List: Is an induction motor the same thing as a shaded pole motor? The dishwasher pump motor I tried for my home-made powerstrop didn'thaveenough torque and crapped out on me... I need to go in another direction.The two options I'm looking at are: 1) $35 Home Depot bench grinder, use with a fan motor speed control(thiswill work if the bench grinder has a shaded pole motor) 2) Use a low rpm continuous duty motor from the Surplus Center, $20(thepain here is that the motor must be mounted, leveled, squared, and rigsomekind of tool rest) 3) __________ (I don't know... fill in the blanks, I'm tapped out at themoment after the first rod start up costs hit me, so minimal expense is afactor) Thanks everyone, Kyle PS - I enjoyed all the insights shared on the PHY midge. Seems to be ideal 15'-20' or so for the first few years, then he can go on to something moreversatile. The wild and native trout in our local waters are not easilyspooked by a nearby cast and are more than willing to attack any decenttopwater offering (at least the smaller ones are!) PSS - Rev Boyd, way to go in knocking down those fat daddy Browns! I foronewould have been thrilled with any one of those three fish. from channer@frontier.net Mon Dec 31 17:24:17 2001 fBVNOGW29083 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:24:16 -0600 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:24:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed Yep, mighty fine little rod! John Jim & Sally Freeman wrote: All, Everyone that has used my Midge has fallen in love with it. I think it's oneof the best small stream rods out there and will spoil you for that purpose.Now, let's step up a notch to a medium stream where you may want tothrowsome lead - even a very small amount of micro shot. The Midge runs outpretty quick - less than 15 feet or so and limits your ability to cover muchwater. Granted, it will throw a dry for 50 to 60 feet and is a blast formidge dry fishing. John Channer stood beside me as I landed a couple of20"+trout on the San Juan doing just that. The rod was bent double butperformedwonderfully. But, as a first rod or something meant for more all-arounduse,I would recommend the Sir D or something similar in 7' + for #4 or #5 wt.You get a bit more spine and flexibility for your fishing, at least in myopinion. Still, it's is a mighty fine taper and is definitely one I'drecommend for tight, small streams. Jim----- Original Message -----From: Jojo DeLancier Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:55 AMSubject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed My vote on this is the Midge, as well -- the #2 in the Hexrod Archives. George *was* the true defender of the faith, wasn't he? M-D From: "Peter McKean" The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of the word. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when you cast it. ------------------ George Aldritch? Peter from caneman@clnk.com Mon Dec 31 17:51:41 2001 fBVNpeW29633 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:51:41 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:14:34 -0600 Subject: Happy New Year I hope everyone on the list has a happy and safe new year. For those ofyou planning to go out tonite, remember, it's what a group of my friendsdown here in Redneck USA call "Amateur Night"... It's the night when allthose who drink very little all year, will get out and whoop it up and bymidnight, will be saying "I know I had 22 beers and 4 Long Island IcedTeas... and the Champagne, hell, that stuff doesn't effect me at all!!! Ireally AM alright to drive!" Unfortunately, sometimes they drive right intosome of us... Just be careful, and if you do celebrate a little too much,spend the night with a friend (preferably one of the opposite sex that lookslike a professional fitness model) then take it on home safe in the morning.Of course, we don't have to worry about Bob Maulucci... he'll be goingto his New Year's Eve Party on Cross Country Skis! from bob@downandacross.com Mon Dec 31 19:06:34 2001 g0116XW00666 Subject: RE: Happy New Year Thanks Bob. I will be making some bamboo poles ala Wes Jordan. Actually itis not that bad here right now. The streets are getting worked on verynicely. A good effort.Happy New Year to you and the whole list as well. I will be partying righthere at home with a DVD and SWMBO. (Sue who must be obeyed).Take care,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Happy New Year I hope everyone on the list has a happy and safe new year. For those ofyou planning to go out tonite, remember, it's what a group of my friendsdown here in Redneck USA call "Amateur Night"... It's the night when allthose who drink very little all year, will get out and whoop it up and bymidnight, will be saying "I know I had 22 beers and 4 Long Island IcedTeas... and the Champagne, hell, that stuff doesn't effect me at all!!! Ireally AM alright to drive!" Unfortunately, sometimes they drive right intosome of us... Just be careful, and if you do celebrate a little too much,spend the night with a friend (preferably one of the opposite sex that lookslike a professional fitness model) then take it on home safe in the morning.Of course, we don't have to worry about Bob Maulucci... he'll be goingto his New Year's Eve Party on Cross Country Skis! from KyleDruey@aol.com Mon Dec 31 20:26:15 2001 g012QEW01943 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:26:15 - for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:25:55 - Subject: Myster Rod Help List, I need help in identifying a rod that I dug out of the attic this weekend. This is truly "Grandpas fly rod found at a garage sale". This rod was acquired from a widow who lived down the street from me when I was a kid. I used to mow lawns for her. One day I saw this bamboo rod sitting in the corner of the garage and she let me have it. Didn't know how to fly fish much back them, I was more in to slugging crank baits and spinner baits for bass. The rod somehow survived all these years, fortunately I had placed it in a PVC tube/case, and it looks to be in decent condition. The rod is 8' 6", 3 piece, 2 tips. No markings on it to identify the manufacturer. All fittings are brass, including a brass cap and ring reel seat, winding check, ferrules, and tip top. No guides are on the rod except the stripper which looks to be chrome plated brass, seems as if the ownerwas in the middle of refurbishing this rod. The ferrules and reel seat are pinned. Wraps are black (or could be a dark navy) and the rod is very thinly coated with varnish. Small black wraps are located very 2.5" along the butt section. The guides are missing on the mid and tip sections, but I can see where these thread rings were wrapped every 2.5" on all sections. The wrap at the winding check is maroon/gold/maroon. It has a swelled but that is approximately oversized by about 0.100 inches. The handle a cork slender cigar style, and is dark brown either from age or some type of finish. There is no discernable node pattern, they are grouped and placed seemingly at random. Here are some links to two pictures: Picture of the grip, reel seat, and male ferrules: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/MR1.jpg Picture of the female ferrule ends, and shows the wrap wrings on the butt section, butt were also wrapped on the mid and tip sections: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/mr2.jpg Here is the Garrison curve for the heavy tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip1.jpg The Garrison curve for the light tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip2.jpg Here's the flat to flat dimensions: Heavy LightStation Tip Tip 0 0.070 0.0681 0.070 0.0685 0.090 0.08210 0.104 0.10215 0.118 0.11620 0.132 0.13125 0.144 0.13930 0.154 0.15135 0.15840 0.16845 0.17850 0.18855 0.20060 0.21165 0.21770 0.23275 0.23980 0.24985 0.26390 0.29895 0.302100 0.302102 0.302 Not sure what I have here, but the stress curves sure look interesting. Thanks again everyone for any insights you can share on this. Kyle from channer@frontier.net Mon Dec 31 20:35:34 2001 g012ZXW02258 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:35:33 - for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:35:42 - Subject: Re: Happy New Year Bob(and Bob);Me,Too!Much too dangerous out there for guys my age, leave the roads tothose with more nerve than brains, I'm stayin home. Besides, it's toocold out there to go back out in it again today. I'll be out like a lite john Bob Maulucci wrote: Thanks Bob. I will be making some bamboo poles ala Wes Jordan. Actually itis not that bad here right now. The streets are getting worked on verynicely. A good effort.Happy New Year to you and the whole list as well. I will be partying righthere at home with a DVD and SWMBO. (Sue who must be obeyed).Take care,Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Happy New Year I hope everyone on the list has a happy and safe new year. For those ofyou planning to go out tonite, remember, it's what a group of my friendsdown here in Redneck USA call "Amateur Night"... It's the night when allthose who drink very little all year, will get out and whoop it up and bymidnight, will be saying "I know I had 22 beers and 4 Long Island IcedTeas... and the Champagne, hell, that stuff doesn't effect me at all!!! Ireally AM alright to drive!" Unfortunately, sometimes they drive right intosome of us... Just be careful, and if you do celebrate a little too much,spend the night with a friend (preferably one of the opposite sex that lookslike a professional fitness model) then take it on home safe in the morning.Of course, we don't have to worry about Bob Maulucci... he'll be goingto his New Year's Eve Party on Cross Country Skis! Wishing you all a Safe, Happy and Prosperous New Year, BobR.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Mon Dec 31 20:46:06 2001 g012k5W02642 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:46:05 -0600 Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Happy New Year I'll have to chime in here too and wish everyone the best in the comingyear. Going tomorrow with several friends on our traditional New Years Day fishingtrip. Should be a blast if I can keep my reel out of the water this year.*S* Talk about a reel with a stiff drag! Tim from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Dec 31 22:18:03 2001 g014I2W03737 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:18:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed You could just say anything relating to windoze in general. Dogs run under fences and computers run like dogs under windoze after all [:-)] Tony At 02:12 PM 12/31/01 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Naw I think it's Scuzzi , Kodak printers, and Windows 2000 myself, cursed thingsthey are!!Shawn Tony Young wrote: Yor're right of course. Peter being the people's poet does have that waywith words and his grasp of all things computational considering theconspirational way everything from his printer to scanner gang up on himona very regular basis makes it all the more so.Personally I think printers are the natural enemy of the office worker. Tony At 07:59 AM 12/31/01 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Amazingly good description only if you consider that it had come fromsomeone besides Peter. For Peter, just par for the course. The amazing thing into such a context, making a perfect analogy. Even Peter's scanner andcomputerconspire against him regularly, with the scanner having a deep, abidinghatred for him. M-D From: "Tony Young" That's an amazingly good description of what happens with that little rocket. Tony At 11:40 PM 12/31/01 +1100, Peter McKean wrote: The PHY Midge is not really a short rod in the real sense of theword. It is actually a bit like a Zip file, and it automatically unzips when you cast it. ------------------ without George Aldritch? Peter /********************************************************************** ***/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /********************************************************************** ***/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from martinrjensen@attbi.com Mon Dec 31 23:15:02 2001 g015F1W04371 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:15:01 - ;Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:14:51 +0000 Subject: RE: Myster Rod Help Organization: wish I had some I have a 9 ft'er that is very similar. The grip and reel seat is almost H.I. would be my guess. Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- KyleDruey@aol.com Subject: Myster Rod Help List, I need help in identifying a rod that I dug out of the attic thisweekend. This is truly "Grandpas fly rod found at a garage sale". This rod was acquired from a widow who lived down the street from me when I was akid. I used to mow lawns for her. One day I saw this bamboo rod sitting in the corner of the garage and she let me have it. Didn't know how to flyfish much back them, I was more in to slugging crank baits and spinner baits bass. The rod somehow survived all these years, fortunately I hadplaced it in a PVC tube/case, and it looks to be in decent condition. The rod is 8' 6", 3 piece, 2 tips. No markings on it to identify the manufacturer. All fittings are brass, including a brass cap and ringreel seat, winding check, ferrules, and tip top. No guides are on the rodexcept the stripper which looks to be chrome plated brass, seems as if theowner was in the middle of refurbishing this rod. The ferrules and reel seat are pinned. Wraps are black (or could be a dark navy) and the rod is verythinly coated with varnish. Small black wraps are located very 2.5" along thebutt section. The guides are missing on the mid and tip sections, but I cansee where these thread rings were wrapped every 2.5" on all sections. Thewrap at the winding check is maroon/gold/maroon. It has a swelled but thatis approximately oversized by about 0.100 inches. The handle a corkslender cigar style, and is dark brown either from age or some type of finish. There is no discernable node pattern, they are grouped and placedseemingly at random. Here are some links to two pictures: Picture of the grip, reel seat, and male ferrules: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/MR1.jpg Picture of the female ferrule ends, and shows the wrap wrings on thebutt section, butt were also wrapped on the mid and tip sections: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/mr2.jpg Here is the Garrison curve for the heavy tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip1.jpg The Garrison curve for the light tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip2.jpg Here's the flat to flat dimensions: Heavy LightStation Tip Tip 0 0.070 0.0681 0.070 0.0685 0.090 0.08210 0.104 0.10215 0.118 0.11620 0.132 0.13125 0.144 0.13930 0.154 0.15135 0.15840 0.16845 0.17850 0.18855 0.20060 0.21165 0.21770 0.23275 0.23980 0.24985 0.26390 0.29895 0.302100 0.302102 0.302 Not sure what I have here, but the stress curves sure look interesting. Thanks again everyone for any insights you can share on this. Kyle from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Dec 31 23:41:51 2001 g015foW04834 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:41:50 - "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Configuration/Taper Suggestion Needed That really is just so sad.I made a ferrule for George once and didn't want anything for it as I was just returning a favour as far as I was concerned but a fellow living in Melbourne was determined to contact me and pay for it himself, I guess George had mentioned it to him. This guy isn't on email so left about 5 messages to contact him one week end.I guess George had done something for him and this was his way of trying to repay the favour. I don't remember what we worked out and I don't knowwhat George did for this bloke but I can't imagine many people inspiring that sort of action. Tony You mention the Morgan Mill, when I talked to his wife several months ago,she told me a delivery truck with a crate for George from a Morgansomewhere out west. She did not accept delivery, it was the day of hisfuneral.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jerry Young wrote: Two years ago I met Geo and the then President of the Amer. ModelAssn.at our international modeling show, here in Toledo. We had a cup ofcoffee together, when I told them I don't do any modeling any longer.The show is a good place to find all kinds of neat tools. Then thesubject turned to bamboo rods. Geo immediatly got very interested inthe Morgan hand mill that I use. A real gentleman, I'm sure he will bemissed. Regards, Jerry Young /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Dec 31 23:41:58 2001 g015fuW04858 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:41:56 - Subject: Re: FW: Disappointment Good work!!! At 01:57 PM 12/31/01 -0800, Coffey, Patrick W wrote: be glad to share the two gallons of tekillya I got!!!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Disappointment Well, I guess these things have to fall to somebody to bear. I'll be doingmy level best to deal with it tonight (New Years) Tony At 05:11 PM 12/30/01 -0500, Mark Wendt wrote: Tony, I was disappointed also. Had to settle for 1L of 18 yr oldGlenfiddich..... Sometimes life is tuff.... But the tough get going,yada yada, yada...... Mark At 11:47 PM 12/30/01 +0800, you wrote: 1lt of Glen Livet. I'm happy. Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Dec 31 23:41:58 2001 g015fvW04863 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:41:57 -0600 Subject: Re: fire works That was a strange phenomenon very like anti bear charms, you can't prove something working only with a negative so the fact you haven't been eaten other.Same with Y2K. The potential for problems was unlimited but so were the damages claims for all the IT personnel who made sure things were done as they should to try to prevent problems so we're back to bear charms. I do know (or maybe it's urban myth) the Uganda CBD bus system was downas a result for several days and NASA lost two older and redundant satellites they knew they would while Russia turned all the dates of their PCs back a decade.Reminds me of a story I was told about NASA spending a year or so andabout $1m developing an EVA proof pen, the Russians used pencils [:-)] I have a friend who was involved with a study of mass panic or paranoia such as the Y1K, Y2K, UFO's etc. Must see if it's finished, it may make fun reading. But to get to your point, yes, it's hard to believe Y2K was all that the world was worried about, seems like years have passed since and highlights the point you need to make hay while the sun shines because you can't predict the future. Tony At 02:18 PM 12/31/01 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Seems like yesterday we were all waiting in suspense to see if the Y2K bugwould wipe out our list, computers and way of life!Just the other day I got a good chuckle at Staples they had a whole bin fullof Y2K detection/repair software for only $5.99!! I wonder how many ofthosethey'll sell?? ;^) Shawn Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/31/01 10:30:51 AM Central Standard Time,avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: The fireworks tell me it's 2002.May everybody have a happy and safe new year and hopefuly a morepromisingone than the one past. Tony >> Damn Ozzies have to do EVERYTHING first!Happy new year everybody!mark /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown