from horsesho@ptd.net Tue Jan 1 00:07:41 2002 g0167eW05842 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:07:40 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.913989 secs); 01 Jan 200206:07:39 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Myster Rod Help Hi Kyle, Looks like a Montague/Chubb . It looks like it has a sheet cork grip. Nice winter project. Best, Marty KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: List, I need help in identifying a rod that I dug out of the attic this weekend. This is truly "Grandpas fly rod found at a garage sale". This rod was acquired from a widow who lived down the street from me when I was a kid. I used to mow lawns for her. One day I saw this bamboo rod sitting in the corner of the garage and she let me have it. Didn't know how to fly fish much back them, I was more in to slugging crank baits and spinner baits for bass. The rod somehow survived all these years, fortunately I had placed it in a PVC tube/case, and it looks to be in decent condition. The rod is 8' 6", 3 piece, 2 tips. No markings on it to identify the manufacturer. All fittings are brass, including a brass cap and ring reel seat, winding check, ferrules, and tip top. No guides are on the rod except the stripper which looks to be chrome plated brass, seems as if the ownerwas in the middle of refurbishing this rod. The ferrules and reel seat are pinned. Wraps are black (or could be a dark navy) and the rod is very thinly coated with varnish. Small black wraps are located very 2.5" along the butt section. The guides are missing on the mid and tip sections, but I can see where these thread rings were wrapped every 2.5" on all sections. Thewrap at the winding check is maroon/gold/maroon. It has a swelled but that is approximately oversized by about 0.100 inches. The handle a cork slender cigar style, and is dark brown either from age or some type of finish. There is no discernable node pattern, they are grouped and placedseemingly at random. Here are some links to two pictures: Picture of the grip, reel seat, and male ferrules: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/MR1.jpg Picture of the female ferrule ends, and shows the wrap wrings on the butt section, butt were also wrapped on the mid and tip sections: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/mr2.jpg Here is the Garrison curve for the heavy tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip1.jpg The Garrison curve for the light tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip2.jpg Here's the flat to flat dimensions: Heavy LightStation Tip Tip 0 0.070 0.0681 0.070 0.0685 0.090 0.08210 0.104 0.10215 0.118 0.11620 0.132 0.13125 0.144 0.13930 0.154 0.15135 0.15840 0.16845 0.17850 0.18855 0.20060 0.21165 0.21770 0.23275 0.23980 0.24985 0.26390 0.29895 0.302100 0.302102 0.302 Not sure what I have here, but the stress curves sure look interesting. Thanks again everyone for any insights you can share on this. Kyle from lblan@provide.net Tue Jan 1 00:29:45 2002 g016TjW06324 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:29:45 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:29:43 -0500 Subject: RE: fire works Ahem... are you saying the charm I wear to keep elephants out of thecampground doesn't work? I'll have you know it has worked perfectly to date,we have had no elephant problems since I began wearing it! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:53 PM Cc: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Re: fire works That was a strange phenomenon very like anti bear charms, you can'tprovesomething working only with a negative so the fact you haven't been eaten or the other.Same with Y2K. The potential for problems was unlimited but so were thedamages claims for all the IT personnel who made sure things were done asthey should to try to prevent problems so we're back to bear charms. I do know (or maybe it's urban myth) the Uganda CBD bus systemwas down asa result for several days and NASA lost two older and redundantsatellitesthey knew they would while Russia turned all the dates of theirPCs back adecade.Reminds me of a story I was told about NASA spending a year or soand about$1m developing an EVA proof pen, the Russians used pencils [:-)] I have a friend who was involved with a study of mass panic or paranoiasuch as the Y1K, Y2K, UFO's etc. Must see if it's finished, itmay make funreading. But to get to your point, yes, it's hard to believe Y2K was all that theworld was worried about, seems like years have passed since andhighlightsthe point you need to make hay while the sun shines because you can'tpredict the future. Tony At 02:18 PM 12/31/01 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Seems like yesterday we were all waiting in suspense to see if the Y2K bug would wipe out our list, computers and way of life!Just the other day I got a good chuckle at Staples they had a whole bin fullof Y2K detection/repair software for only $5.99!! I wonder how many of those they'll sell?? ;^) Shawn Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/31/01 10:30:51 AM Central Standard Time,avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: The fireworks tell me it's 2002.May everybody have a happy and safe new year and hopefuly a more promising one than the one past. Tony >> Damn Ozzies have to do EVERYTHING first!Happy new year everybody!mark /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Jan 1 02:44:50 2002 g018imW09596 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:44:49 -0600 Subject: RE: fire works Do you guys have much of an elephant problem there? Apart from New YearsI mean [:-)] At 01:33 AM 1/1/02 -0500, Larry Blan wrote: Ahem... are you saying the charm I wear to keep elephants out of thecampground doesn't work? I'll have you know it has worked perfectly todate,we have had no elephant problems since I began wearing it! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:53 PM Cc: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Re: fire works That was a strange phenomenon very like anti bear charms, you can'tprovesomething working only with a negative so the fact you haven't beeneaten or the other.Same with Y2K. The potential for problems was unlimited but so were thedamages claims for all the IT personnel who made sure things were doneasthey should to try to prevent problems so we're back to bear charms. I do know (or maybe it's urban myth) the Uganda CBD bus systemwas down asa result for several days and NASA lost two older and redundantsatellitesthey knew they would while Russia turned all the dates of theirPCs back adecade.Reminds me of a story I was told about NASA spending a year or soand about$1m developing an EVA proof pen, the Russians used pencils [:-)] I have a friend who was involved with a study of mass panic or paranoiasuch as the Y1K, Y2K, UFO's etc. Must see if it's finished, itmay make funreading. But to get to your point, yes, it's hard to believe Y2K was all that theworld was worried about, seems like years have passed since andhighlightsthe point you need to make hay while the sun shines because you can'tpredict the future. Tony At 02:18 PM 12/31/01 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Seems like yesterday we were all waiting in suspense to see if the Y2K bug would wipe out our list, computers and way of life!Just the other day I got a good chuckle at Staples they had a whole bin fullof Y2K detection/repair software for only $5.99!! I wonder how many of those they'll sell?? ;^) Shawn Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/31/01 10:30:51 AM Central Standard Time,avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: The fireworks tell me it's 2002.May everybody have a happy and safe new year and hopefuly a more promising one than the one past. Tony >> Damn Ozzies have to do EVERYTHING first!Happy new year everybody!mark /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 1 06:07:00 2002 g01C70W11232 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:07:00 -0600 Subject: Re: devcon 5min epoxy In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:41 PM Central Standard Time, tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com writes: I used SIG Epoxy myself for most stuff that needed gluing and "Bob Smith" Cyanoacrylate (sp) for other gluing chores (this stuff comes in nylon/teflon bottles at your local hobby emporium with their shop name on them at aslight discount from the "name Brands") A friend, who shall remain nameless, was flying his R/C model airplane when another friend, flying in the same vicinity, managed to cut the tail from the first airplane with his own. First airplane immediately nosed over and went screaming towrd the ground with a .60 cu in engine wailing away at top volume. Although the sound cut off quite suddenly at extremely low altitude. After the "committee"gathered around the smoking hole to see what could be salvaged we all remarked about the Firewall to fuselage side joint. There was an engine with broken pieces, there were shreds of balsa wood and ply and plastic all over, but EVERY SINGLE epoxy joint was intact. I had used, ... I mean HE had used SIG epoxy, but Devcon is much the same I believe.mark from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 1 06:12:18 2002 g01CCHW11490 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:12:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Induction Motor In a message dated 12/31/01 5:15:10 PM Central Standard Time, channer@frontier.net writes: Guys! a shp teacher taught me this (when I was about 35!) when sharpening edged tools such as gouges and wood carving tools, (planes would apply here) once the edge is very sharp, run the edge with a "buffing wheel" first with Red rouge and then with white. a standard Bench grinder with two cloth buffing wheels works well. Don't cut into the wheel, buff away from the handle end so that the edge gets a nice mirror finish. Always worked for me with my wood gouges. Seems to last a while too!mark from dickay@alltel.net Tue Jan 1 07:03:11 2002 g01D3BW12117 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:03:11 -0600 srv.alltel.net Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:03:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Induction Motor Kyle, There are some condenser fan motors used on the outdoor units of airconditioners that are induction motors and that have a speed of 800 to 825RPM. These are normally found on high efficiency units. If you know aservice technician you might find a motor out of a unit that has beenreplaced. Again the motor will have to be mounted as they don't typicallyhave a cradle mount. This is if you are looking for a lower speed motor.Dick Fuhrman ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Induction Motor No! Shaded Pole - a heavy wire is wrapped around one "pole" of the winding,hence the name "shaded pole". The shaded pole provides the initial change in magnetic field that starts the motor. A typical use for a shaded pole motor would be a humidifier, or the electronic damper on your furnace. These aretypically high rpm, very low torque motors that are coupled with a gearboxto provide the necessary operating torque/speed range. An induction motor is typical of the motors found in heavier dutyapplications. One example would be *most* tablesaws. An induction motortypically requires a capacitor to start. It cannot be controlled with asimple resistance type switch. My guess would be that the grinder motor will be an induction motor. What rpm range are you aiming for with the powerstrop? The typicalspeedsyou will find on a bench grinder are 1750 or 3450. Bear in mind that the rpm of the grinder is only half the equation, the diameter of the wheel or strop determines the actual surface feet per minute. I haven't played with apowerstrop yet. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Induction Motor List: Is an induction motor the same thing as a shaded pole motor? The dishwasher pump motor I tried for my home-made powerstrop didn't have enough torque and crapped out on me... I need to go in anotherdirection.The two options I'm looking at are: 1) $35 Home Depot bench grinder, use with a fan motor speedcontrol (thiswill work if the bench grinder has a shaded pole motor) 2) Use a low rpm continuous duty motor from the Surplus Center, $20 (the pain here is that the motor must be mounted, leveled, squared,and rig somekind of tool rest) 3) __________ (I don't know... fill in the blanks, I'm tapped out at the moment after the first rod start up costs hit me, so minimal expense is a factor) Thanks everyone, Kyle PS - I enjoyed all the insights shared on the PHY midge. Seemsto be ideal flick dry flys15'-20' or so for the first few years, then he can go on tosomething moreversatile. The wild and native trout in our local waters are not easilyspooked by a nearby cast and are more than willing to attack anydecent topwater offering (at least the smaller ones are!) PSS - Rev Boyd, way to go in knocking down those fat daddyBrowns! I for onewould have been thrilled with any one of those three fish. from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 1 07:05:18 2002 g01D5IW12310 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:05:18 -0600 Subject: Re: fire works In a message dated 12/31/01 11:42:09 PM Central Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: But then what would all those engineers and lawyers do? hahahaha! mark from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 1 07:09:53 2002 g01D9qW12615 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:09:52 -0600 Subject: Re: elephant and bear charms In a message dated 1/1/02 12:30:19 AM Central Standard Time, lblan@provide.net writes: My Grandfather used to keep a bottle of wiskey close at hand for most occasions. When I would ask him about it as a child, he would say, "That's 'cause of snakebite. this keeps snakes away." When I got older and said that there were darn few snakes in Leavenworth Kansas, He would reply that there was, "No sense in taking chances now is there?" My grandfather was never, to my knowlege, ever bitten by a snake. Later of course, when I would ask him about it, he would reply, "Don't tell your Grandma and I'll give you some!"He was a saint!mark from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 1 09:21:45 2002 g01FLjW13723 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:21:45 -0600 g01FLic01101 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:21:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Happy New Year Same to you Bob and all on the list.May the New Year bring peace to the world.This message is late, my server was down from late yesterday afternoon tillnow.I let all the others see the New Year in , I went to bed with a stack ofmessages in the "Send Later" file.Happy New Year All.Tony FlyTYr@southshore.com Bob Nunley wrote: I hope everyone on the list has a happy and safe new year. For those ofyou planning to go out tonite, remember, it's what a group of my friendsdown here in Redneck USA call "Amateur Night"... It's the night when allthose who drink very little all year, will get out and whoop it up and bymidnight, will be saying "I know I had 22 beers and 4 Long Island IcedTeas... and the Champagne, hell, that stuff doesn't effect me at all!!! Ireally AM alright to drive!" Unfortunately, sometimes they drive right intosome of us... Just be careful, and if you do celebrate a little too much,spend the night with a friend (preferably one of the opposite sex that lookslike a professional fitness model) then take it on home safe in the morning.Of course, we don't have to worry about Bob Maulucci... he'll be goingto his New Year's Eve Party on Cross Country Skis! Wishing you all a Safe, Happy and Prosperous New Year, BobR.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from weakley.hollow@gte.net Tue Jan 1 09:35:37 2002 g01FZbW14072 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:35:37 -0600 Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:35:35 -0500 Subject: happy new year and thanks i'd like to wish all of you a happy new year, and thank y'all who have provided advice, both on rods and silk lines. i build just the occasional rod for myself; i've never needed to wonder about any facet of rod building, because the fine folks on this list have been so helpful. glm-- -------------------- gary misch cdr, usn (ret.) "freedom is not free" >Fromdmanders@telusplanet.net Tue Jan 1 09:42:33 2002 Received: from priv- g01FgWW14335 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 edtnes15-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122- Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:42:19 -0700 Message-Id:X- Sender:dmanders@pop.telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Guys/Gals, > from wherewinter is winter and it's cold [ -25F this AM ], all the best to those who makeme waste an hour every morning seeing just what neat idea has come up.Let's hope that we don't have a repeat of 2001 and everyone is healthy andhappy this time next year. catch ya' Donffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html > from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 109:42:36 2002 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net 16LR3h-000139-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 200210:42:34 -0500 Message-ID:From: "Jojo DeLancier" Subject: Re: devcon 5min epoxy Date: Tue, 1 MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 jojo@ipa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN From: "JojoDeLancier" Since we were talking of George Aldritch before,George highly recommended SIG being the preferred epoxy for model making,as well as their CA adhesives. As you might think, he had considerableexperience with both types of adhesives, and maintained that there were nobetter products on the market. M-D From: In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:41 PM Central Standard Time,tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com writes: the rod with a pocket knife razor blade and pliers. >> I used SIG Epoxy myself for most stuff that needed gluing and "Bob Smith" Cyanoacrylate (sp) for other gluing chores (this stuff comes in nylon/teflon bottles at your local hobby emporium with their shop name on them at a slight discount from the "name Brands") A friend, who shall remain nameless, was flying his R/C model airplane when another friend, flying in the samevicinity, managed to cut the tail from the first airplane with his own.First airplane immediately nosed over and went screaming towrd the ground with a .60 cu in engine wailing away at top volume. Although the sound cut off quite suddenly at extremely low altitude. After the "committee" gathered around the smoking hole to see what could be salvaged we all remarked about the Firewall to fuselage side joint. There was an engine with broken pieces, there were shreds of balsa wood and ply and plastic all over, but EVERYSINGLE epoxy joint was intact. I had used, ... I mean HE had used SIG epoxy, but Devcon is much the same I believe.mark from Lafaryjim@aol.com Tue Jan 1 10:01:56 2002 g01G1tW14996 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:01:55 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:01:40 -0500 Subject: Planing form info I'm using Penrose's plans.I have filed down the forms to within .005 of final depth. At station (00) is .080 to (70) .180. The question is when setting the depth gage on the forms and zeroing, starting at 70 and running gage down form I have three satation that are not a zero. Station (65) and (55) are .0015 low and station (25) is high .0015 to .002) The final depth is to be (00) .085 and (70) .155. Everything other than this looks good. Just want to know if I am on the right track? Thanks I'm using Penrose'splans.I have filed down the forms to within .005 of final depth. The question is when setting the depth gage on the forms and zeroing,starting at 70 and running gage down form I have three satation that are nota zero. Station (65) and (55) are .0015 low and station (25) is high .0015 to.002) The final depth is to be (00) .085 and (70) .155. to know if I am on the right track? Thanks from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 1 10:23:45 2002 g01GNiW15422 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:23:44 -0600 g01GNhc08296; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:23:43 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks from TBOWDEN@halcyon.com Tue Jan 1 10:24:28 2002 g01GORW15446 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:24:27 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:24:23 -0800 Subject: Ferrule Problem On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped a male ferrule so there is aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I was looking at Ray Gould's bookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser. It's basically twopieces of steel with various sized holes that, when clamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there any other options? Thanks Tom from carstenjorgensen@mail.dk Tue Jan 1 10:34:19 2002 g01GYJW15930 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:34:19 -0600 Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:34:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem g01GYJW15931 Go ahead and do it - Rays advice is worth taking - that book is a gem. regards, carsten jorgensen ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Ferrule Problem On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped a male ferrule so there is aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I was looking at Ray Gould's bookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser. It's basically twopieces of steel with various sized holes that, when clamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there any other options? Thanks Tom from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Jan 1 10:37:58 2002 g01GbvW16212 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:37:57 -0600 (authenticated) Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:37:26 -0800 Subject: Re: Planing form info --------------D898667FD8AAEE50BA63640C Hi Jim, If your work is that close, you deservecongratulations!! Go get a good strong cup ofcoffee, or whatever other beverage floats yourboat. Sit down for a minute with the betterhalf. Watch your favorite football team win abowl game today. Reach as far behind you as youcan, and give yourself a good firm pat on theback. Well done. Harry PS - if you're already at .080 to .180, you mightseriously consider quitting while you're ahead. Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: I'm using Penrose's plans.I have filed down the forms to within .005 offinal depth. At station (00) is .080 to (70) .180. The question is when setting the depth gage onthe forms and zeroing, starting at 70 andrunning gage down form I have three satationthat are not a zero. Station (65) and (55) are .0015 low and station(25) is high .0015 to .002) The final depth is to be (00) .085 and (70).155. Everything other than this looks good.Just want to know if I am on the right track? Thanks -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- --------------D898667FD8AAEE50BA63640C Hi Jim, Go get a good strong cup of coffee, or whatever other beverage floats your you as you can, and give yourself a good firm pat on the back. PS - if you're already at .080 to .180, you might seriously considerquitting while you're ahead.Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote:I'm usingPenrose's plans.I have filed down the formsto within .005 of final depth. to (70) .180.The question is when settingthe depth gage on the forms and zeroing, starting at 70 and running gagedown form I have three satation that are not a zero.Station (65) and (55) are.0015 low and station (25) is high .0015 to .002)The final depth is to be Just want to know if I am on the right track?Thanks -- -- Bamboo Rods -- --------------D898667FD8AAEE50BA63640C-- from jbbamboo47@yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 10:40:40 2002 g01GedW16453 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:40:40 -0600 01 Jan 2002 08:40:39 PST Subject: drip tube plug At the hardware found a test plug (oaty) Its made outof steel and rubber .With a wing nut that compresses the rubber between the two steel plates. No need forthreads. Just glue a 11/2 inch coupling on your pvcpipe.Makes a good seal when you need to open the tubejust loosen the wing nut. can do by hand. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 1 10:49:32 2002 g01GnVW16823 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:49:32 -0600 helo=default) id 16LS6U-0007HO-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:49:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem You can do as Ray suggests, or you can find someone with a 3-jaw chuck ontheir lathe, crimp the female, rotate so that the jaws now align midwaybetween the last contact points, and crimp again. It's a pain, but it works. M-D On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped a male ferrule so there is a slight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I was looking at Ray Gould's book the other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser. It's basically twopieces of steel with various sized holes that, when clamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there any other options? Thanks Tom from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 1 10:57:54 2002 g01GvrW17166 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:57:53 -0600 helo=default) id 16LSEY-0003HC-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:57:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Planing form info Good job, Jim. Harry suggested you quit while your ahead, but being of a =rodmaker mentality he secretly knows that you will obsessively seek the =ultimate refinement in your forms, possibly going to the other extreme. =Resist the urge, and quit. You'll be adjusting the forms to the =individual taper anyway. Now, I've just got to tell you, and Harry =pointed this out to me once, that your forms are off anyway. Instead of =increasing/decreasing the taper by .005 per 5" in your forms, you would =have needed to increase/decrease the taper by .00577. See, you've ruined =them already. ;o) M-D Subject: Planing form info The question is when setting the depth gage on the forms and zeroing, =starting at 70 and running gage down form I have three satation that are = Station (65) and (55) are .0015 low and station (25) is high .0015 to = The final depth is to be (00) .085 and (70) .155. Everything other = Good job, Jim. Harry = quit while your ahead, but being of a rodmaker mentality he secretly = you will obsessively seek the ultimate refinement in your forms, = to the other extreme. Resist the urge, and quit. You'll be adjusting the = to the individual taper anyway. Now, I've just got to tell you, and = increasing/decreasing the taper by .005 per 5" in your forms, you would = needed to increase/decrease the taper by .00577. See, you've ruined them = already. ;o) M-D ----- Original Message ----- Lafaryjim@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002= AMSubject: Planing form =infoI'm using = question is when setting the depth gage on the forms and zeroing, = 70 and running gage down form I have three satation that are not a = Station (65) and (55) are .0015 low and station (25) is high = from RMargiotta@aol.com Tue Jan 1 11:02:59 2002 g01H2wW17444 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:02:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem In a message dated 1/1/2002 11:27:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, TBOWDEN@halcyon.com writes: If the 3-jaw chuck trick doesn't work, send it to Dave LeClair. He'll electroplate the male and refit it. He does superb work at reasonable prices. --Rich In a message dated1/1/2002 11:27:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, TBOWDEN@halcyon.comwrites: If the 3-jaw chuck trick doesn't work, send it to Dave LeClair. reasonable prices. --Rich from blitzenrods@yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 11:11:17 2002 g01HBHW17797 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:11:17 -0600 Tue, 01 Jan 2002 09:11:16 PST Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem Tom, You probably already did this, but if not, be sure torule out a dry socket. I had a clicking ferrule on arod that I initially thought was too much materialremoved from the bottom of the male slide. A.J.suggested I check for a dry socket, meaning that Istarved one of the ferrule stations of glue or theglue didn't adhere to both surfaces sufficiently. Iremoved the ferrule, re-glued, and that solved theclick. The click was in the bamboo to ferrule ratherthan the ferrule to ferrule connection. It's somethingto confirm before altering the ferrules. Good luck. Chris --- Tom Bowden wrote: On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped amale ferrule so there is aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I waslooking at Ray Gould's bookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser.It's basically twopieces of steel with various sized holes that, whenclamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there anyother options? Thanks Tom __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from ttalsma@macatawa.org Tue Jan 1 11:11:24 2002 g01HBNW17802 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:11:23 -0600 id CCDQQYPQ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:07:23 -0500 M2002010112095216935; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:09:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem Tom, I seem to remember that there was someone who suggested "expanding" (forlack of a better term right now) the male. If memory serves me right,they put sand (or some other substance) into the the male portion of theferrule and then used a nail or some such thing to displace the sand andexpand the male portion of the ferrule. Does anyone remember this? Tom Bowden wrote: On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped a male ferrule so thereis aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I was looking at Ray Gould'sbookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser. It's basically two pieces of steel with various sized holes that, when clamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there any other options? Thanks Tom --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Rodmaking Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Rodmaking Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/index.htmgenealogy home page: Under Construction from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 1 11:13:54 2002 g01HDsW18029 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:13:54 -0600 helo=default) id 16LSU5-0001ts-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:13:53 -0500 Subject: Re: fire works Hard to argue with success. I seem to have this charm that keeps womencapable of having a healthy relationship away from me, while attractingwomen I'd be better off without. It's a cruel talisman. M-D Ahem... are you saying the charm I wear to keep elephants out of thecampground doesn't work? I'll have you know it has worked perfectly to date, we have had no elephant problems since I began wearing it! Larry Blan That was a strange phenomenon very like anti bear charms, you can't prove something working only with a negative so the fact you haven't been eaten or the other. Tony from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 1 11:29:41 2002 g01HTeW18831 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:29:41 -0600 helo=default) id 16LSjL-0006Tb-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:29:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem 'Twas the idea of Onis Cogburn. M-D Tom, I seem to remember that there was someone who suggested "expanding"(forlack of a better term right now) the male. If memory serves me right,they put sand (or some other substance) into the the male portion of theferrule and then used a nail or some such thing to displace the sand andexpand the male portion of the ferrule. Does anyone remember this? Tom Bowden wrote: On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped a male ferrule so thereis aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I was looking at Ray Gould'sbookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser. It's basically two pieces of steel with various sized holes that, when clamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there any other options? Thanks Tom --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Rodmaking Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Rodmaking Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/index.htmgenealogy home page: Under Construction from stoltz10@attbi.com Tue Jan 1 12:25:31 2002 g01IPUW19700 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:25:30 -0600 Subject: turnign ferrule station How hard is it to turn ferrule station by hand? I just finished up my =blanks and will be ready to do the ferrule this week, any help would be = Thnaks, Tim How hard is it to turn ferrule station = Thnaks,Tim from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 1 12:25:44 2002 g01IPhW19714 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:25:43 -0600 g01IPfc22637; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:25:41 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem Chris,Never thought about that, glad you posted it.I have had two that had clicks, one was a cheap brassferrule that came that way and and another was a refitjob. I was lucky to fix them with a three jaw Jycobschuck.Happy New YearTony FlyTyr@southshore.com Chris McDowell wrote: Tom, You probably already did this, but if not, be sure torule out a dry socket. I had a clicking ferrule on arod that I initially thought was too much materialremoved from the bottom of the male slide. A.J.suggested I check for a dry socket, meaning that Istarved one of the ferrule stations of glue or theglue didn't adhere to both surfaces sufficiently. Iremoved the ferrule, re-glued, and that solved theclick. The click was in the bamboo to ferrule ratherthan the ferrule to ferrule connection. It's somethingto confirm before altering the ferrules. Good luck. Chris --- Tom Bowden wrote: On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped amale ferrule so there is aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I waslooking at Ray Gould's bookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser.It's basically twopieces of steel with various sized holes that, whenclamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there anyother options? Thanks Tom __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from LECLAIR123@aol.com Tue Jan 1 13:30:34 2002 g01JUXW20926 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:30:33 -0600 Subject: Re: turnign ferrule station In a message dated 01/01/2002 1:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, stoltz10@attbi.com writes: Hi Tim,I've done many ferrule stations by hand. If Ihave my lathe set up for something special, I don't want toset it back up again, so I cut the stations by hand, using a file. Measure the inside length of the ferrule you are goingto use, then mark your blank for that length. Now, measure thelength of the tabs on the ferrule and make a mark the blankwere they start. Wrap some masking tape in between your twomarks. This is where your cut will end. You will use a fine fileto taper the cane from your last mark into the ferrule station. Using a medium file, start by making a pass downone corner, then the next and so on, until you've hit all six.Then do it again, on all six corners. Take your measurementsevery pass, until the corners are all off. If you still have to removemore cane, lay the blank on your bench and rotate the blank, whileyou use the file in a back and forth motion. File just a little, rotate slightly, file a little more, rotate, file, etc. Keep taking your measurements, until you get close to your final diam. Then very carefully, use sand paper to go around the stationand keep trying the ferrule fit, until the ferrule will fit onto thestation snugly. You don't want a loose fit. It should go on witha little bit of a push. That's about all there is to it. Just take your time and keepmeasuring and fitting the ferrule until it fits. Just don't rush it. Dave L. http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from davidhray@mindspring.com Tue Jan 1 16:06:46 2002 g01M6jW24694; helo=hostname.mindspring.com) id 16LX3T-0006ky-00; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 17:06:43 -0500 and Collecting Subject: Fast 6wt. --=======F2A2675======= ascii; format=flowed Hi Guys, I am looking for a 8 to 8.5 ft. 6 wt that will handle heavy, dare I use the N word, and streamers bass poppers etc. I have built a Garrison but I wanted something faster. I plenty of tapers but not sure which ones are faster. Headed to Florida to get out of the cold for a few months and wanted to fix two rods I broke this year and built a fast 6wt. David H. Ray --=======F2A2675======= ok-15FC38E2 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - Release Date: 12/31/01 --=======F2A2675=======-- from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 1 16:58:11 2002 g01MwBW25600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:58:11 -0600 Subject: Re: devcon 5min epoxy In a message dated 1/1/02 9:43:16 AM Central Standard Time, jojo@ipa.netwrites: I would agree personally, SIG comes in several varieties, from 5 min to 15 to 30 and I believe 60 minute pot time. There MAY be a 45 as well, but am not sure. I was taught a very good technique for my use in "glassing" wings for strength that would be applicable for rod making. Set the glob of epoxy where you want it and hit it with a hair dryer or heat gun. this will make the epoxy go watery and will flow into small crevices ,pre easily. It will also help to set the epoxy sooner.To give you an idea of the strength of this, I had built an experimental model flying wing (like a B-2 but straight GMA would have known it easily as a Simitar design) Mine was white styrofoam wing covered by a tagboard wing sheet (pressed, laminated paper) the two wing halves were butted together, then glued with 30 minute epoxy. A 2 inch wide piece of light glass fiber cloth was wrapped around the wing joint and epoxy was sqweegied into it and heated to soak the cloth and paper under it then allowed to dry. After finishing the wing It was used as an experimental trainer model for a time. It had a 78 ingh wing span.On a flight that summer, the model experienced a catistrophic failure of the control mixer and dived in, striking the ground on one wing tip and cartwheeling in a rather spectacular fashion. The wing snapped in two just outside the wing join . i had to cut the wing in half by cutting the center section and rebuilding the wing at 72 inches using the same technique. the wing survived. The Epoxy joint was not even cracked, and I build LIGHT model airplanes. That stuff is strong if applied correctly! mark from davidhray@mindspring.com Tue Jan 1 17:12:24 2002 g01NCOW26092 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:12:24 -0600 helo=hostname.mindspring.com) id 16LY51-0004Ug-00 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 18:12:24 -0500 Subject: Faster 6wt. --=======62A833BE======= ascii; format=flowed Hi Guys, I am looking for a 8 to 8.5 ft. 6 wt that will handle heavy, dare I use theN word, and streamers bass poppers etc. I have built a Garrison but Iwanted something faster. I plenty of tapers but not sure which ones arefaster. Headed to Florida to get out of the cold for a few months andwanted to fix two rods I broke this year and built a fast 6wt. David H. Ray --=======62A833BE======= ok-15FC38E2 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - Release Date: 12/31/01 --=======62A833BE=======-- from piscator@macatawa.org Tue Jan 1 17:56:03 2002 g01NtwW26795; ,, "and Collecting" Subject: Re: Fast 6wt. I made a Dickerson 8615 from the Howell book. Tips were too soft, but itcast a lot of line real well. Now I'm making replacement tips from thetaper poster on the RM taper page. I thik it's going to be just the ticket!You might also look at Bogart's tapers. I seem to remember casting athunder stick he built a couple of years ago at Grayrock. Brian Brian----- Original Message ----- ;"and Collecting" Subject: Fast 6wt. Hi Guys, I am looking for a 8 to 8.5 ft. 6 wt that will handle heavy, dare I use the N word, and streamers bass poppers etc. I have built a Garrison but Iwanted something faster. I plenty of tapers but not sure which ones arefaster. Headed to Florida to get out of the cold for a few months andwanted to fix two rods I broke this year and built a fast 6wt. David H. Ray -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - Release Date: 12/31/01 from JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 1 18:12:50 2002 g020CnW27251 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:12:50 -0600 ;Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:12:39 +0000 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem That's right Chris as I have done the same to two female ferrules to tightenthem and it works just fine. I don't know however how long they will staytight but they have been fine so far. Jack from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 18:33:26 2002 g020XQW27715 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:33:26 -0600 01 Jan 2002 16:33:25 PST Subject: Re: Fast 6wt. david, if you are planning on casting "heavy"streamers and poppers why are you not looking for a7wt or an 8 wt.? "heavy" is pretty relative but in myexperience a 6wt is sort of undergunned for theheavier bass lures. timothy --- Davidhray wrote: Hi Guys, I am looking for a 8 to 8.5 ft. 6 wt that willhandle heavy, dare I use the N word, and streamers bass poppers etc. I have builta Garrison but I wanted something faster. I plenty of tapers but notsure which ones are faster. Headed to Florida to get out of the cold fora few months and wanted to fix two rods I broke this year and built afast 6wt. David H. Ray ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system(http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - ReleaseDate: 12/31/01 ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 1 19:33:35 2002 g021XYW28660 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:33:34 -0600 helo=excalibur.ix.netcom.com) id 16LaHT-00038Q-00; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:33:23 -0500 RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: devcon 5min epoxy --=======61D33A08======= format=flowed I'll do you one better. A few years ago I built a P6E byplane. Goldberg I think. Balsa fuselage and foam wings. I painted the nose on the inside with slow curing epoxy, Tower Hobbies I think. Then I heated it with a heat gun to lower the viscosity. Gets as thin as water when you do that. I made one mistake with the model. Didn't put in enough dihedral. As long as the engine was running full throttle (.40 engine), it flew ok. Throttle back and the plane "fell over", spun out and dived into the ground. Now this didn't happen once. I tried a dozen times to get that plane to fly. Every time it dived into the ground. Sometimes under full throttle. It never cracked a joint. Wings got little dents where the rubber bands were but nothing broke. The ground was not soft either. To hard to make much of a dent. The plane always landed going straight in and bounced each time. I still have the plane. Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com At 07:06 AM 1/1/02 -0500, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:41 PM Central Standard Time,tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com writes: the rod with a pocket knife razor blade and pliers. >> I used SIG Epoxy myself for most stuff that needed gluing and "Bob Smith"Cyanoacrylate (sp) for other gluing chores (this stuff comes in nylon/teflonbottles at your local hobby emporium with their shop name on them at aslightdiscount from the "name Brands") A friend, who shall remain nameless,wasflying his R/C model airplane when another friend, flying in the samevicinity, managed to cut the tail from the first airplane with his own.First airplane immediately nosed over and went screaming towrd the groundwith a .60 cu in engine wailing away at top volume. Although the sound cutoff quite suddenly at extremely low altitude. After the "committee"gatheredaround the smoking hole to see what could be salvaged we all remarkedaboutthe Firewall to fuselage side joint. There was an engine with broken pieces,there were shreds of balsa wood and ply and plastic all over, but EVERYSINGLE epoxy joint was intact. I had used, ... I mean HE had used SIG epoxy,but Devcon is much the same I believe.mark ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01 --=======61D33A08======= ok-355DD0C ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01 --=======61D33A08=======-- from homes-sold@attbi.com Tue Jan 1 19:36:29 2002 g021aSW28869 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:36:28 -0600 ;Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:36:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Planing form info Jim,If I understand you correctly, you have another .005" to go more or =less. If you look at the article in Power Fibers October 2001 issue and =build the "File Plane" in the "Forms Tune-up" article you should be able =to get the final measurements you want. I don't know how many have built =a used the "File Plane" but Harry, Todd and myself have one. I've used =it several times and it works, but then again I may be predigest, I =designed it. B>)Good luck.Don Subject: Planing form info Jim,If I understand you correctly, you have= .005" to go more or less. If you look at the article in Power Fibers = 2001 issue and build the "File Plane" in the "Forms Tune-up" article you = built a used the "File Plane" but Harry, Todd and myself have one. I've = several times and it works, but then again I may be predigest, I = Good luck.Don From: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:01 AMSubject: Planing form infoI'm using = from lblan@provide.net Tue Jan 1 20:23:34 2002 g022NXW29599 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:23:33 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:23:32 -0500 Subject: RE: Sir D info In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, athree piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified by Darryl andthe original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other taperscome from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. Whiletheycertainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keepingthe original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:48:55 2002 g022msW00129 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:48:54 -0600 Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:48:37 -0800 "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: Test post. FILETIME=[FA08CE50:01C19337] test from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 1 21:14:28 2002 g023ESW00701 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:14:28 -0600 g023EPM11670; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:14:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Sir D info Larry,Thanks for making me aware of that. I was under the impression that the SirDwas Wayne's 7' 4 wt. that was modified by Darryl. Regardless, it is a greattaper in my opinion.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comSorry for the mistake. Larry Blan wrote: In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, athree piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified by Darryl andthe original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other taperscome from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. Whiletheycertainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keepingthe original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 1 21:49:14 2002 g023nDW01346 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:49:13 -0600 g023n4M16272 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:49:04 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem I am going on the third year on a cheap brass ferrule that I tightened with aJycobs Chuck.It was on Rod #1. It loosened up in a few casts. That is what I get for using a3.50 chrome plated brass Ferrule. Has been OK since I gave it the Jycobstreatment.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jacques Follweiler wrote: That's right Chris as I have done the same to two female ferrules totightenthem and it works just fine. I don't know however how long they will staytight but they have been fine so far. Jack from KyleDruey@aol.com Tue Jan 1 22:19:46 2002 g024JkW01869 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:19:46 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:19:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Sir D info and to make this even more confusing, the WC 7' 4wt is supposed to be a combined taper from a PHY Midge and a Cross Sylph (unknown taper)... I would love to start a thread on taper classification and how it relates to the action of the rod, and to maybe create the initial spark... IMHO a "progressive" taper tells me nothing about the action of the rod... (fire suit is on and I am basting myself with BBQ sauce, flame away!) Kyle In a message dated 01/01/2002 6:24:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, lblan@provide.net writes: In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, athree piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified by Darryl andthe original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other taperscome from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. Whiletheycertainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keepingthe original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants.Larry Blan-----Original Message---- -From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf03.mx.aol.com (rly-xf03.mail.aol.com Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:24:08 -0500 rly- Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:23:53 -0500 g022NqW29633; g022NXW29599 X-Spam-Filter: check_local@dns1.provide.net by digitalanswers.orgFrom: "Larry Blan" Subject: RE: Sir D infoDate: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:27:26 -0500Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3 (Normal)X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from lblan@provide.net Tue Jan 1 22:28:37 2002 g024SbW02164 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:28:37 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:28:35 -0500 Subject: RE: Sir D info IMHO, how it came to be is not as important as how we identify it. It istough to talk about a rod if I think it is a 7' 2pc 4wt, and someone elsebelieves it to be a 7-1/2' 3pc 3wt. I don't recall Wayne mentioning the Midge, but I could be mistaken (I wasseriously mistaken in my motor post yesterday, but no one took me to taskonit!). I do know that he has mentioned the Sylph, and "the Young Parabolics".You can view the Sylph in the Taper archives, or Frank's page. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: Re: Sir D info and to make this even more confusing, the WC 7' 4wt is supposed to be acombined taper from a PHY Midge and a Cross Sylph (unknown taper)... I would love to start a thread on taper classification and how itrelates tothe action of the rod, and to maybe create the initial spark... IMHO a"progressive" taper tells me nothing about the action of the rod... (firesuit is on and I am basting myself with BBQ sauce, flame away!) Kyle In a message dated 01/01/2002 6:24:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,lblan@provide.net writes: In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, a three piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified the original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other tapers come from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. While they certainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keeping the original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf03.mx.aol.com (rly-xf03.mail.aol.com MAILINXF26-0101212408; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:24:08 -0500Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu MAILRELAYINXF310-0101212353; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:23:53 -0500 g022NqW29633; Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net g022NXW29599 X-Spam-Filter: check_local@dns1.provide.net by digitalanswers.orgFrom: "Larry Blan" Subject: RE: Sir D infoDate: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:27:26 -0500Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3 (Normal)X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 1 23:16:09 2002 g025G8W03000 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:16:08 -0600 helo=default) id 16Ldl0-0004Bd-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:16:06 -0500 Subject: Where's Danny? Has anyone heard from our wandering Norwegian? He was to leave Norway onthe30th of Nov, and surely he's had enough time to get to NZ, get on line, orlet someone know where the heck he is and what he's doing. He's probablydoing nothing but fishing for big Browns, taking pictures of them, withwhich he'll taunt us all into submission. M-D from petermckean@netspace.net.au Wed Jan 2 04:11:39 2002 g02ABbW05601 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:11:37 -0600 g02ABQV69623; Subject: Re: Induction Motor Mark I have been intrigued by the discussions over the last couple of years about"Scary Sharp" and leather wheels, and cloth wheels, and diamond wheels; soI had a leather wheel made, set it up on my grinder, gooped it up withdiamond paste, organised a jig, and sharpened some irons. (I must say here that for some timeI used wet& dry paper in decreasing gritratings to "do" my plane irons, and stopped because it was so bloodydirty!) So, did the leather wheel work? Sure did! Was it a good option? NO WAY. I suspect that they will find me dead one cold night with my tiny handfrozen (like Mimi, perhaps, in La Boheme) to my sharpening jig, the wholetableau being forever one with my Japanese water stones. I must stress, once again, that I am a hobby builder; time is not, for me,of the essence. The origin of the word "pastime" is, after all, "pass time".And if you are not in a hurry, there is no reason to mechanise your toolsharpening procedure. I am sure that I can get as good an edge on my Hock irons with my series ofwaterstones as can be achieved with more modern processes - not better,butas good. I use 800, 1200, 6000, and 8000, the last two with a pastingstone (Nawara stones, I think they call them). I lap each stone briefly withthe next as I progress through the series, so that they are always flat andready to use. I choose to wear a pair of nitrile gloves while I sharpen because it keepsmy hands from drying out excessively, and I don't use the Veritas jig, buta jig of European origin which makes it easier to get the blade angle right. The whole process is relaxed, relaxing, and enjoyable. I am convinced thatmy systolic blood pressure is about 20mm lower after sharpening a bladethan it was when I started! I am NOT saying that my way is better, but it's as good, and if you arestarting out, it seems to me that it is very easy to become mired in a hugemorass of power tools; and that is simply not necessary. You can build a very servicable bamboo fly rod by hand splitting,straightening and node adjusting with an alcohol lamp, bevelling with aplane, final tapering ditto, binding by hand, and wrapping without anymechanical aids. There is not any particular merit attached to doing it this way; it's justanother way. I don't, in fact, do it in such a purist fashion. I use a power heat gun,and I turn my cork grips in a chuck in a hand drill. I am not Jim Payne,but I have now made about thirty bamboo rods and none have yet brokendown,and I fish them pretty hard. So if you are thinking about building a rod, don't buggerise about for twoor three years accumulating the automated workshop. I find it very hard tobelieve that I am quoting Terry "Stormcloud" Ackland here, but he said "Getin and build the rods and make the mistakes", and he couldn't have beenmore right! Please don't quote me on that one. Peter from petermckean@netspace.net.au Wed Jan 2 04:25:50 2002 g02APnW05914 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:25:49 -0600 g02APht71628; Subject: Re: fire works So when do we get to the "cruel" bit? Peter from horsesho@ptd.net Wed Jan 2 05:33:29 2002 g02BXTW06630 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:33:29 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.663249 secs); 02 Jan 200211:33:23 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who "the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes to Goodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers and starting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods that have very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 06:03:48 2002 g02C3kW07027 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:03:47 -0600 Subject: RE: Sir D info We go through this every few months and the Sir D just keeps popping up as the variant. I wish we could inscribe in rock someplace the Sir D is theORIGINAL and UN-MODIFIED WC 7' #4. The story as to how and why this is so is a meandering and a little confusing tale but is never the less so.All the other rod variations including the DH modification are called modifications of the original, NONE of the modifications are the Sir D because the Sir D IS the original.Happily the two people involved in this tale are both still alive to confirm the details. Tony At 09:27 PM 1/1/02 -0500, Larry Blan wrote: In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, athree piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified by Darryl andthe original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other taperscome from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. Whiletheycertainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keepingthe original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 06:12:59 2002 g02CCvW07269 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:12:58 -0600 Subject: RE: Sir D info Wayne did tell the list the lineage of the Sir D about 18 months back because a few people were mentioning the taper seemed in a lot of ways like certain PHY tapers but different enough to be a different style class. My thoughts were it was somehow related to a Driggs because I was using one of these a lot then and when I compared it to my boy's Sir D there was a very close similarity in a few ways. I was wrong of course, it is related to a PHY taper from memory using a relatively obscure taper with a hinge effect added as well as other modifications as well. Wayne did a great job with this taper by the way for anybody who hasn't tried one.This was a while back so the details are dim but the whole sordid story is in the achieves. Tony At 11:32 PM 1/1/02 -0500, Larry Blan wrote: IMHO, how it came to be is not as important as how we identify it. It istough to talk about a rod if I think it is a 7' 2pc 4wt, and someone elsebelieves it to be a 7-1/2' 3pc 3wt. I don't recall Wayne mentioning the Midge, but I could be mistaken (I wasseriously mistaken in my motor post yesterday, but no one took me to taskonit!). I do know that he has mentioned the Sylph, and "the Young Parabolics".You can view the Sylph in the Taper archives, or Frank's page. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: Re: Sir D info and to make this even more confusing, the WC 7' 4wt is supposed to be acombined taper from a PHY Midge and a Cross Sylph (unknown taper)... I would love to start a thread on taper classification and how itrelates tothe action of the rod, and to maybe create the initial spark... IMHO a"progressive" taper tells me nothing about the action of the rod... (firesuit is on and I am basting myself with BBQ sauce, flame away!) Kyle In a message dated 01/01/2002 6:24:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,lblan@provide.net writes: In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, a three piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified the original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other tapers come from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. While they certainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keeping the original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu SpezioSent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf03.mx.aol.com (rly-xf03.mail.aol.com MAILINXF26-0101212408; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:24:08 -0500Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu MAILRELAYINXF310-0101212353; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:23:53 -0500 g022NqW29633; Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net g022NXW29599 X-Spam-Filter: check_local@dns1.provide.net by digitalanswers.orgFrom: "Larry Blan" Subject: RE: Sir D infoDate: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:27:26 -0500Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3 (Normal)X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) byCREN /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Dkenney94@cs.com Wed Jan 2 06:34:23 2002 g02CYNW07670 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:34:23 -0600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:34:05 -0500 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! That's a tough one! I love Granger, but was he really a rod maker, or company owner? Does it make a difference? Weren't the best Granger rodsmade long after his death? By Phillipson? I gotta go with Jim Payne, with a second to Wes Jordan(Probably the most influential of the later "Golden Age" makers)Dave That's a tough one! Does it make a difference? Weren't the best Granger rods made long afterhis death? By Phillipson? Jordan(Probably the most influential of the later "Golden Age" makers) from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 2 07:38:13 2002 g02DcCW08633 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:38:12 -0600 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! Uh oh, here we go. I think the greatest (really "favorite") depends on whoyou are, where you are, and how you fish. For me, I would say that I wouldbreak them up into several categories.Best tapers: Paul Young. Too bad the rods look like they do. (Go ahead andflame me, it's okay.)Best finish/cosmetics: T&T. Took the Payne and Leonard aesthetics to thenext level.Most innovative: Lew Stoner or EC Powell. The hollow building and tapers arevery out of the box. Must be a Western thing.Most talented: Lyle Dickerson. The aethetics, tapers, ferrules, machines,are all signs of a genius.Most underated: Fred and Leon Thomas. I cast that FE Thomas at theCatskills. It was everything that the Paynes and Leonard rods are all inone. The tapers from Thomas I have cast are fantastic. Second mostunderatedwould be Hardy. They get slagged for no reason. They have some greatactions. But, if I could own only one, it would be a Carlson Four without any doubtin my mind. So, in my mind, SAM CARLSON wins. They are great casting,supertapers, and have the classic charm that some contemporaries miss. Just my opinion, maybe not worth that much,Bob-----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Dkenney94@cs.com Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! That's a tough one! I love Granger, but was he really a rod maker, orcompany owner? Does it make a difference? Weren't the best Granger rodsmadelong after his death? By Phillipson?I gotta go with Jim Payne, with a second to WesJordan(Probably the most influential of the later "Golden Age" makers)Dave we go. I think the greatest (really "favorite") depends on who you are, = you are, and how you fish. For me, I would say that I would break them = several categories. tapers: Paul Young. Toobad the = like they do. (Go ahead and flame me, it's =okay.) finish/cosmetics: T&T. Took the Payne and Leonard aesthetics to the = level. innovative: Lew Stoner or EC Powell. The hollow building and tapers are = of the box. Must be a Western thing. talented: Lyle Dickerson. The aethetics, tapers, ferrules, machines, are = signs of a genius. underated: Fred and Leon Thomas. I cast that FE Thomas at the Catskills. = everything that the Paynes and Leonard rods are all in one. The tapers = Thomas I have cast are fantastic. Second most underated would be Hardy. = slagged for no reason. They have some greatactions. could own only one, it would be a Carlson Four without any doubt in my = = have the classic charm that some contemporaries miss. = opinion, maybe not worth that much,Bob Dkenney94@cs.comSent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 Re: The = maker, or company owner? Does it make a difference? Weren't the best = = gotta go with Jim Payne, with a second to Wes Jordan(Probably the most = = = from ttalsma@macatawa.org Wed Jan 2 08:36:06 2002 g02Ea5W10431 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:36:05 -0600 id ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:29:23 -0500 id Y2QPVG35; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:29:17 -0500 Subject: Classes on the west coast? All, I received this email and was wondering if someone could give me any Hello Todd: I'm at the beginning stage of bamboo rod repair and construction. I've been reading as much information as I can gather and have a few project rods stripped and ready to wrap. I feel the next step for me is to attend a rod making workshop. I been reading about some which cover a lot of ground over a week long period. Do you know of any workshops out west, preferably California in the $800 to $1,000 range? Most of what I've seen on the web are located in the east. Any help will be apprciated. Nick Anthony -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from rmoon@ida.net Wed Jan 2 09:04:53 2002 Received: from ida.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:03:38 -0700 petermckean@netspace.net.au CC: Lazybee45@aol.com, rodmakersSubject: Re: Induction Motor References: Content-Type: text/plain; rmoon@ida.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Peter I will indeedquote you on this. I have preached the same text many times. When Iconsider the manner in which I built my first rod, I wonder that I continued. Idid! and to this day I get more enjoyment from the old tried and truemethods than I would wrinkling my brow about how to get a genuinefrimplestan beveler tuned up. Many thanks Ralph Peter McKean wrote: Mark I have been intrigued by the discussions over the last couple of years about"Scary Sharp" and leather wheels, and cloth wheels, and diamond wheels;soI had a leather wheel made, set it up on my grinder, gooped it up withdiamond paste, organised a jig, and sharpened some irons. (I must say here that for some timeI used wet& dry paper in decreasinggritratings to "do" my plane irons, and stopped because it was so bloodydirty!) So, did the leather wheel work? Sure did! Was it a good option? NO WAY. I suspect that they will find me dead one cold night with my tiny handfrozen (like Mimi, perhaps, in La Boheme) to my sharpening jig, the wholetableau being forever one with my Japanese water stones. I must stress, once again, that I am a hobby builder; time is not, for me,of the essence. The origin of the word "pastime" is, after all, "pass time".And if you are not in a hurry, there is no reason to mechanise your toolsharpening procedure. I am sure that I can get as good an edge on my Hock irons with my seriesofwaterstones as can be achieved with more modern processes - not better,butas good. I use 800, 1200, 6000, and 8000, the last two with a pastingstone (Nawara stones, I think they call them). I lap each stone briefly withthe next as I progress through the series, so that they are always flat andready to use. I choose to wear a pair of nitrile gloves while I sharpen because it keepsmy hands from drying out excessively, and I don't use the Veritas jig, buta jig of European origin which makes it easier to get the blade angle right. The whole process is relaxed, relaxing, and enjoyable. I am convinced thatmy systolic blood pressure is about 20mm lower after sharpening a bladethan it was when I started! I am NOT saying that my way is better, but it's as good, and if you arestarting out, it seems to me that it is very easy to become mired in a hugemorass of power tools; and that is simply not necessary. You can build a very servicable bamboo fly rod by hand splitting,straightening and node adjusting with an alcohol lamp, bevelling with aplane, final tapering ditto, binding by hand, and wrapping without anymechanical aids. There is not any particular merit attached to doing it this way; it's justanother way. I don't, in fact, do it in such a purist fashion. I use a power heat gun,and I turn my cork grips in a chuck in a hand drill. I am not Jim Payne,but I have now made about thirty bamboo rods and none have yet brokendown,and I fish them pretty hard. So if you are thinking about building a rod, don't buggerise about for twoor three years accumulating the automated workshop. I find it very hard tobelieve that I am quoting Terry "Stormcloud" Ackland here, but he said "Getin and build the rods and make the mistakes", and he couldn't have beenmore right! Please don't quote me on that one. Peter --?IôO from mrmac@tcimet.net Wed Jan 2 09:42:05 2002 g02Fg4W14766 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:42:04 -0600 helo=tcimet.net) id 16LnWl-0003aj-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 07:42:03 -0800 Subject: ouch I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't dothat because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from mcanultj@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu Wed Jan 2 10:03:07 2002 g02G36W15893 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:03:06 -0600 743.svm.vetmed.wisc.edu) 2002 10:03:06 -0600 Subject: Re: ouch Just curious, when and where is the gathering planned?Jon McAnulty How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from KyleDruey@aol.com Wed Jan 2 10:07:30 2002 g02G7UW16303 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:07:30 -0600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:07:10 -0500 MAILINID43-0102110710; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:07:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Myster Rod Help Thanks to all who replied. Still don't know for sure what it is but consensusseems to have narrowed it down to either an H-I, Chubb, or Montague. I don'treally have an interst in the rod, contact me off list if anyone does,otherwise I may just take it to ebay. Kyle In a message dated Mon, 31 Dec 2001 9:25:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,Kyle Druey writes: List, I need help in identifying a rod that I dug out of the attic this weekend. This is truly "Grandpas fly rod found at a garage sale". This rod was acquired from a widow who lived down the street from me when I was a kid. I used tomow lawns for her. One day I saw this bamboo rod sitting in the corner ofthe garage and she let me have it. Didn't know how to fly fish much backthem, I was more in to slugging crank baits and spinner baits for bass. Therod somehow survived all these years, fortunately I had placed it in a PVCtube/case, and it looks to be in decent condition. The rod is 8' 6", 3 piece, 2 tips. No markings on it to identify themanufacturer. All fittings are brass, including a brass cap and ring reelseat, winding check, ferrules, and tip top. No guides are on the rod exceptthe stripper which looks to be chrome plated brass, seems as if the ownerwas in the middle of refurbishing this rod. The ferrules and reel seat arepinned. Wraps are black (or could be a dark navy) and the rod is very thinlycoated with varnish. Small black wraps are located very 2.5" along the buttsection. The guides are missing on the mid and tip sections, but I can seewhere these thread rings were wrapped every 2.5" on all sections. The wrapat the winding check is maroon/gold/maroon. It has a swelled but that isapproximately oversized by about 0.100 inches. The handle a cork slendercigar style, and is dark brown either from age or some type of finish. Thereis no discernable node pattern, they are grouped and placed seemingly atrandom. ! Here are some links to two pictures: Picture of the grip, reel seat, and male ferrules: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/MR1.jpg Picture of the female ferrule ends, and shows the wrap wrings on the buttsection, butt were also wrapped on the mid and tip sections: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/mr2.jpg Here is the Garrison curve for the heavy tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip1.jpg The Garrison curve for the light tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip2.jpg Here's the flat to flat dimensions: Heavy LightStation Tip Tip 0 0.070 0.0681 0.070 0.0685 0.090 0.08210 0.104 0.10215 0.118 0.11620 0.132 0.13125 0.144 0.13930 0.154 0.15135 0.15840 0.16845 0.17850 0.18855 0.20060 0.21165 0.21770 0.23275 0.23980 0.24985 0.26390 0.29895 0.302100 0.302102 0.302 Not sure what I have here, but the stress curves sure look interesting. Thanks again everyone for any insights you can share on this. Kyle from bhoy551@earthlink.net Wed Jan 2 11:11:45 2002 g02HBiW19627 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:11:44 - helo=bhoy.earthlink.net) id 16LovW-0005O9-00 for RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:11:43 -0800 Subject: smooth transitions under wraps A while ago, I seem to remember a post about using a g***ite epoxycompound to smooth the transition between ferrules and cane and between cork and cane to even out the wraps in these areas. I've had trouble getting a nice smooth transition under the wraps between cork and cane. Does anybody do this? What product and method do you use? Thanks, Bill from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Wed Jan 2 11:19:50 2002 g02HJoW20110 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:19:50 -0600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:17:05 -0600 pri.pacificare.com (Tumbleweed ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:25:54 -0800 Subject: RE: Sir D info The confusion of how long the Sir D is stems from Wayne derived and postedawhole series of different lengths and different number of pieces of the SirD, from 6' 3" to 7' 6" two and three pieces. One word of caution if you findthe post - on the three piece shorter lengths the ferrule interferes withthe hinge.Darryl -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: RE: Sir D info In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, athree piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified by Darrylandthe original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other taperscome from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. Whiletheycertainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor ofkeepingthe original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 2 11:37:29 2002 g02HbSW21035 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:29 - Subject: RE: smooth transitions under wraps I do on quads, and sometimes on serrations that do not cooperate. I use FlexCoat two part wrap epoxy in the syringes. I think it is a nice idea.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: smooth transitions under wraps A while ago, I seem to remember a post about using a g***ite epoxycompoundto smooth the transition between ferrules and cane and between cork andcane to even out the wraps in these areas. I've had trouble getting a nicesmooth transition under the wraps between cork and cane. Does anybody do this? What product and method do you use? Thanks, Bill from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 11:41:07 2002 g02Hf6W21339 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:41:06 -0600 Subject: Re: ouch I don't really know who will be there in NZ this March. I'm broke after buying a place there that I may not see again for a few years which is VERY sad and my son who wanted to go will be at Uni so he can't make it either.Ian will be there presumably and there are a few NZ based makers as well possibly others from Aust too though there are fires happening in the places these guys live and they may not have any power (or houses either ) to get on line to answer for a while. Something I've mentioned before is the exchange rate between the US and NZ is sensational from a US point of view. Last I read (day before yesterday) was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great.Once you get the price of the plane ticket out of the way you'll more than double what you bring with you AND NZ isn't an expensive place so it's not like a lot of places where although the exchange rate is low the cost of living is high.Anybody not sure but interested really should look into it. If you do go you should be aware of some things.First make sure you bring a serious rod, #5 really is the right weight or a #6 preferably if you plan on fishing no matter what the conditions. You'll feel extremely inadequatemessing around with a decent brown in fast water with anything less though it will make for nice pics.The conditions can be VERY wet and windy. Also the midges or sand flys as they're called there are terrible so make sure you bring something with deet, ideally 100%. You need a hat because the days could be very warm and the sun is very bright there especially in the hills. The ozone hole is right over the Sth Island so you fry easily there so make sure you bring both warm and cold weather clothes and a decent rain coat. Nymphing is the way to go in a lot of places, forget any pre conceived casting. You'll likely get the biggest fish that way. You do need drys and wets as well of course I'm just pointing out the need for nymphs, simple ones like GRHE and Pheasent Tail, some bead head to get good depth some not. The fish there don't appear as selective as in the US as far as I can tell.Make sure you bring lots of film. Tony At 10:42 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Ralph MacKenzie wrote: I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't dothat because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from caneman@clnk.com Wed Jan 2 11:53:30 2002 g02HrUW22221 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:53:30 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Paul Young R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who "the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes to Goodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers and starting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods that have very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 12:08:06 2002 g02I85W22926 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:08:05 -0600 02 Jan 2002 10:08:05 PST Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! i guess i will say payne or py i have used alot of pytapers but paynes will always make me weak in theknees. if we start talking about not-dead-yet:- )rodmakers what about bob nunley. i haven't met himyet but i think he's great! timothy --- "Marty D." wrote: Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I amcurious as to who "the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date.My vote goes to Goodwin Granger. He was responsible for creatingsupberb tapers and starting a company that built tens of thousands ofaffordable rods that have very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 12:19:48 2002 g02IJlW23646 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:19:47 -0600 "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Bob's quads are destined for great things. Tony At 10:08 AM 1/2/02 -0800, timothy troester wrote: i guess i will say payne or py i have used alot of pytapers but paynes will always make me weak in theknees. if we start talking about not-dead-yet:- )rodmakers what about bob nunley. i haven't met himyet but i think he's great! timothy --- "Marty D." wrote: Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I amcurious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date.My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creatingsupberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands ofaffordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 12:19:58 2002 g02IJvW23677 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:19:57 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! PHY and Dickerson I think though it depends on your local fishingrequirements. Tony At 11:51 AM 1/2/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Paul Young R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Marty D." Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:25 AMSubject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 2 12:38:20 2002 g02IcJW24735 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:38:19 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:39:31 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: ouch Tony,is that right??? Or is it $1.41??? I know Aust $ usually run prettyclose to our Canadian dollar against the #+%* US dollar. Is the NZ $ thatmuchworse??Works out pretty sweet if you are an American citizen! Vive le freetrade! Shawn Tony Young wrote: Last I read (day before yesterday)was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great. from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 2 12:40:40 2002 g02IeeW24810 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:40:40 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:41:51 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: ouch Hmmmm,perhaps I will take my wife to Lord of the Rings after all,seems like a cheap enough bribe! ;^)Shawn Ralph MacKenzie wrote: How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 12:59:46 2002 g02IxiW26045 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:59:44 -0600 Subject: Re: ouch You're right of course, I'm looking at it from the rough end of the pineapple or shitty end of the stick or how ever you want to say it.If you get to NZ with $1,000 you'll get about $NZ 2400 to spend. A hire car can be had for $NZ 45 per day.Actually the low exchange rate is a good thing in a lot of ways. I want some gear from the US from time to time and then it's a bad thing but all in all it's prob the best thing for the economy here and i NZ just now. I just remind people a high dollar isn't like a high score in football, sometimes it's the best thing and in a tourist and natural resources based economy such as we have here it's very good. If you get there make sure you go and stay at Brunner Lodge on the shore of lake Brunner. This lake has massive browns and large numbers, the lodge costs $NZ 150 per night but from your point of view that's the same as you'd pay for just a hotel room in the US while at Brunner Lodge you'll live like gentry. Tony At 02:42 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Tony,is that right??? Or is it $1.41??? I know Aust $ usually run prettyclose to our Canadian dollar against the #+%* US dollar. Is the NZ $ thatmuchworse??Works out pretty sweet if you are an American citizen! Vive le freetrade! Shawn Tony Young wrote: Last I read (day before yesterday)was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 2 13:09:36 2002 g02J9ZW26751 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:09:35 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:10:47 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Marty,hmmmm, I guess I would look at that a couple different ways....#1. If by "greatest" we were talking about the maker who had contributedthe most to the craft as a whole I would first start with many of the guysright here on the list, guys like AJ Thramer, Bob Nunley, Tom Smithwick,Tony Young, Tony Spezio, Harry Boyd, Wayne Cattanach, Chris Bogart, AlMedved, the list goes on and on right down to budding builders who sparknew and innovative ideas or make all of us rethink how and why we do thingsthe way we do.Also guys like Bob Maulucci, Ron Barch, Todd Talsma, Jerry Foster, JoeByrd, Ted Knott, Ray Gould, Wayne Cattanach, George Mauer, Harry Boyd,Andeven Mark Metcalf, for their Books/videos, articles, Web Pages, softwareand Magazines (printed and online) and through tireless effort to organizethe numerous gatherings around the world..All these people improve each and every one of us as rod builders and ashuman beings. Thank you one and all!!! (note sorry if I missed anyone, I'msure I have, the list would be huge)#2. If by "Greatest" we were talking about favorite rods, I would haveto lean to Paul H Young with Dickerson right up there, although I have asoft spot for almost every cane rod I've seen!Shawn "Marty D." wrote: Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from le_moucheux@hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 13:10:48 2002 g02JAmW26852 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:10:48 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:10:42 -0800 Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:10:42 GMT Subject: Garrison Book (Spam!!!) FILETIME=[2C84B3B0:01C193C1] Sorry for the bandwitch.I know some of you rodmakers are looking for the Everett Garrison'sbook. I have a copy that I would offer here before I put it on E-Bay. Contact me off list Thanks MikeMSN Photos is the easiest way toshare and print your photos: ClickHere from jeremy@goflyfishing.com Wed Jan 2 13:15:20 2002 g02JFKW27350 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:15:20 -0600 helo=8hkx10b) id 16Lqqz-0004I2-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:15:09 -0500 Subject: Goofy request We hosted our annual New Years Eve Party and we always setup a craps table (croupier or whatever) for the table and I came up with the idea of makinghim one of those sticks they use to scoop the dice. I took a nice stripleft over from a butt section that had been split filed and straightened.Took it to the belt sander, took the pith off and had it smoothed outnicely. I then went to put the bend in the end and tried soaking itovernight. This morning I could get it to bend about 20-30 degrees or so,but I need to put a full 90 degree bend in it. Will soaking it furthermake it more flexible? Would heat make it flexible enough? Any othersuggestions? I wonder what the market to the commercial gaming industrywould be making these little do-hickies. Thanks and sorry about theoff-topic question. Jeremy GrayNevada City AnglersNevada City, CA530-478-9301 from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 13:15:48 2002 g02JFkW27406 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:15:47 -0600 Subject: Re: ouch Very cheap I'd suggest. Good movie too. Tony At 02:44 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Hmmmm,perhaps I will take my wife to Lord of the Rings after all,seems like a cheap enough bribe! ;^)Shawn Ralph MacKenzie wrote: How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindiginNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lordofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 2 13:38:04 2002 g02Jc3W29360 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:38:04 -0600 (authenticated) Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:35:39 -0800 Rodmakers List-serv Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Shawn, How nice of you to mention me (twice!) in such wonderful company, thoughIcertainly don't deserve it. I'm greatly indebted to many of the names youmention though, and would gladly second the nominations of almost any ofthem. As for the second way of looking at things, no one has mentioned HiramLeonard yet. Greatest or not, he certainly spawned many of the greatestmakersof all time, and started all of us down this road one way or another. Thanks,Harry Shawn Pineo wrote: #1. If by "greatest" we were talking about the maker who had contributedthe most to the craft as a whole I would first start with many of the guysright here on the list-- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 13:50:11 2002 g02JoBW01510 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:50:11 -0600 02 Jan 2002 11:50:10 PST Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! e.c.powell would be a good vote. timothy ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from ttalsma@macatawa.org Wed Jan 2 14:01:22 2002 g02K1LW02475 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:01:21 -0600 id ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:54:39 -0500 id Y2QPVGVT; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:54:35 -0500 Subject: Grayrock - Camp Sites All you Grayrockians, I've finally convinced my wife that it would be a good thing for me toattend the Grayrock gathering. All of you campers out there, is there aspecific area of Hartwick Pines I should look for as far as lots to tryto reserve? Just trying to get our summer plans together. Thanks in advance.-- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from horsesho@ptd.net Wed Jan 2 15:40:59 2002 Received: from g02LewW09489 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 2002 21:40:52 -0000 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 1.938272 secs); 02 Jan 200221:40:52 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! --------------020804000403020705030102 Hi Bob, As far as living romakers I would have to list Sam Carlson as #1, T&T (either Dorsey/Maxwell or Dorsey) as #2 , and of the list members that I have seen, rods from Al Medved #3. Now I have never handled rods by AJ , Nunley or 99 % of the list so I can't judge them but I am sure they are great rods. I was never crazy about the node placement of FE Thomas rods so I feel they are a bit overated. Thier rods show a random node placement similar to Heddon. Best, Marty Bob Maulucci wrote: Uh oh, here we go. I think the greatest (really "favorite") depends on who you are, where you are, and how you fish. For me, I would say that I would break them up into several categories. Best tapers: Paul Young. Too bad the rods look like they do. (Go ahead and flame me, it's okay.) Best finish/cosmetics: T&T. Took the Payne and Leonard aesthetics to the next level. Most innovative: Lew Stoner or EC Powell. The hollow building and tapers are very out of the box. Must be a Western thing. Most talented: Lyle Dickerson. The aethetics, tapers, ferrules, machines, are all signs of a genius. Most underated: Fred and Leon Thomas. I cast that FE Thomas at the Catskills. It was everything that the Paynes and Leonard rods are all in one. The tapers from Thomas I have cast are fantastic. Second most underated would be Hardy. They get slagged for no reason. They have some great actions. But, if I could own only one, it would be a Carlson Four without any doubt in my mind. So, in my mind, SAM CARLSON wins. They are great casting, super tapers, and have the classic charm that some contemporaries miss. Just my opinion, maybe not worth that much, Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Dkenney94@cs.comSent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! That's a tough one! I love Granger, but was he really a rodmaker, or company owner? Does it make a difference? Weren't thebest Granger rods made long after his death? By Phillipson?I gotta go with Jim Payne, with a second to WesJordan(Probably the most influential of the later "Golden Age"makers)Dave --------------020804000403020705030102 Hi Bob, As far as living romakers I would have to list Sam Carlson as #1, membersthat I have seen, rods from Al Medved #3. Now I have never handled rods byAJ , Nunley or 99 % of the list so I can't judge them but I am sure theyare great rods. I was never crazy about the node placement of FE Thomasrodsso I feel they are a bit overated. Thier rods show a random node placementsimilar to Heddon. Best, Marty Bob Maulucci wrote: Uh oh, here we go. I think the greatest (really "favorite") depends on whoyou are, where you are, and how you fish. For me, I would say that I wouldbreak them up into several categories. Best tapers: Paul Young. Toobadthe rods look like they do. (Go ahead and flame me, it'sokay.) Best finish/cosmetics: T&T. Took the Payne and Leonard aesthetics tothe next level. Most innovative: Lew Stoner or EC Powell. The hollow building and tapersare very out of the box. Must be a Western thing. Most talented: Lyle Dickerson. The aethetics, tapers, ferrules, machines,are all signs of a genius. Most underated: Fred and Leon Thomas. I cast that FE Thomas at theCatskills.It was everything that the Paynes and Leonard rods are all in one. Thetapers from Thomas I have cast are fantastic. Second most underated would beHardy.They get slagged for no reason. They have some greatactions. But, if I could own only one, it would be a Carlson Four without any doubt casting, supertapers, and have the classic charm that some contemporaries miss. Just my opinion, maybe not worth that much, Bob -----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Dkenney94@cs.comSent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Granger, but was he really a rod maker, or company owner? Does it makea difference? Weren't the best Granger rods made long after his death? Jordan(Probablythe most influential of the later "Golden Age" makers) --------------020804000403020705030102-- from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 2 16:10:23 2002 g02MAMW11126 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:10:22 -0600 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi Marty:I must agree with your top three. Al's rods are beautiful looking andcasting. I will vouch for Bob Nunley and several of the others, too many toname really. They are truly masters.As far as the future goes...I hate to admit it because he has a big egoalready (just kidding) and you all know he's my good friend, but I thinkthat Joe Perrigo's rods are going to be something huge in 20 years. They areso consistently good, he builds tons of rods, and he chooses, creates, ormodifies the best tapers. If I were a collector, I would buy some of hisrods now. He will be very important, I believe. I am very pleased to workwith him and be friends with him. He is a very talented guy.Best regards,Bob-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi Bob, As far as living romakers I would have to list Sam Carlson as #1,T&T (either Dorsey/Maxwell or Dorsey) as #2 , and of the list members thatI have seen, rods from Al Medved #3. Now I have never handled rods by AJ ,Nunley or 99 % of the list so I can't judge them but I am sure they aregreat rods. Marty: with your top three. Al's rods are beautiful looking and casting. I will = truly masters. the future goes...I hate to admit it because he has a big ego already = kidding) and you all know he's my good friend, but I think that Joe = rods are going to be something huge in 20 years. They are so = he builds tons of rods, and he chooses, creates, or modifies the best = I were a collector, I would buy some of his rods now. He will be very = I believe. I am very pleased to work with him and be friends with him. = very talented guy. regards,Bob 2002 = Dkenney94@cs.com; = Rodmaker!Hi Bob, As far as living romakers I = to list Sam Carlson as #1, T&T (either Dorsey/Maxwell or Dorsey) = have never handled rods by AJ , Nunley or 99 % of the list so I can't = them but I am sure they are great rods. from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Wed Jan 2 16:32:13 2002 g02MWCW12383 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:32:12 -0600 by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:26:20 -0500 Subject: Release of Bamboo Rodmakers Database Program v3.0 Gold Hello friends: I am pleased to announce the release of BRMDP v3.0 Gold. This version hasthe long awaited TaperDataExchange(tm). I have worked out an arrangementwith Todd Talsma and Bob Maulucci to be able to post some tapers on theirwebsites as well as the one for BRMDP. I have decided to release v3.0 Gold into shareware again in hopes thatrodmakers will find the program of use. If you find it useful, then pleaseregister it to insure continued development of the program. My thanks again to the alpha and beta teams are in order. I could not dothis without your help and support. To download the program go to http://www.direct-pest.com/brmdp If you haven't downloaded v2.0 you must subscribe to out mailing list to getthe installation password. Support for the program will only be providedthrough this mailing list. There are instructions on the website forsubscribing to the mailing list. For those of you who have downloaded v2.0please email me privately at jcbyrd@direct-pest.com for the installationpassword. Enjoy the program Joe=================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bambooflyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker from dpvbkjs@somtel.com Wed Jan 2 16:52:18 2002 g02MqHW13321 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:52:18 -0600 Subject: Art of Angling Journal Listers, We're just back from a week off the List to travel, so please excuse thispost if this new journal was discussed while we were away. We recieved the premier issue/subscription to the Art of Angling Journallast week. It's a square bound, glossy quarterly. This issue had a nicearticle entitled The Rise of the Crafts by Gordon Wickstrom, which focuseson thoughts about why people like bamboo rodmakers do what they do, andthere's an article/pics on/of Daryll Whitehead. A little closer to home,there's some great photos of Carrie Stevens' flies. Just FYI... usual disclaimers.Happy New Year, David and Kathy from iank@ts.co.nz Wed Jan 2 17:09:37 2002 g02N9ZW14053 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:09:36 -0600 by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g02NBXb10468 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu.KAV; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:11:33 +1300 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:11:31 +1300 Subject: Re: Where's Danny? Jojo, Danny and his family are actually staying with us out at the beach at themoment. They had a few housing and lost luggage problems initially but havenow sort of settled into a house in Auckland and Anne, his wife starts workup there on the 15th of January. Danny equipped himself with a licenceyesterday so I took him to a spot on the Motueka river where there is alwaysa great evening rise and fish aplenty are almost certain. Danny landed one about 8" long, saw one large fish and we did not see arise. I did not see a fish! . Maybe better luck this evening on another oneof my "cannot fail " spots. Danny hopes to get equipped with a computer later in the month and be backon line soon. He has some very nice rods, certainly makes me think aboutflaming (rods that is ) in the future. Best wishes to all. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Where's Danny? Has anyone heard from our wandering Norwegian? He was to leave Norwayon the 30th of Nov, and surely he's had enough time to get to NZ, get on line, orlet someone know where the heck he is and what he's doing. He's probablydoing nothing but fishing for big Browns, taking pictures of them, withwhich he'll taunt us all into submission. M-D from richjez@enteract.com Wed Jan 2 17:16:13 2002 g02NGDW14422 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:16:13 -0600 rodmakers Subject: Re: ouch --=====================_819251==_.ALT Taking about the fires: there was an article on NPR (National Public Radio) that was saying that the fires around Sidney were started by arsonists, possible serial arsonists. They also reported a large number of people were arrested. What is going on there?Rich Jezioro At 11:46 AM 1/2/02, Tony Young wrote: I don't really know who will be there in NZ this March. I'm broke after buying a place there that I may not see again for a few years which is VERY sad and my son who wanted to go will be at Uni so he can't make iteither.Ian will be there presumably and there are a few NZ based makers as well possibly others from Aust too though there are fires happening in the places these guys live and they may not have any power (or houses either ) to get on line to answer for a while. Something I've mentioned before is the exchange rate between the US andNZ is sensational from a US point of view. Last I read (day before yesterday) was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great.Once you get the price of the plane ticket out of the way you'll more than double what you bring with you AND NZ isn't an expensive place so it's not like a lot of places where although the exchange rate is low the cost of living is high.Anybody not sure but interested really should look into it. If you do go you should be aware of some things.First make sure you bring a serious rod, #5 really is the right weight or a #6 preferably if you plan on fishing no matter what the conditions. You'll feel extremely inadequatemessing around with a decent brown in fast water with anything less though it will make for nice pics.The conditions can be VERY wet and windy. Also the midges or sand flys as they're called there are terrible so make sure you bring something with deet, ideally 100%. You need a hat because the days could be very warm and the sun is very bright there especially in the hills. The ozone hole is right over the Sth Island so you fry easily there so make sure you bring both warm and cold weather clothes and a decent rain coat. Nymphing is the way to go in a lot of places, forget any pre conceived casting. You'll likely get the biggest fish that way. You do need drys and wets as well of course I'm just pointing out the need for nymphs, simple ones like GRHE and Pheasent Tail, some bead head to get good depth some not. The fish there don't appear as selective as in the US as far as I can tell.Make sure you bring lots of film. Tony At 10:42 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Ralph MacKenzie wrote: I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't dothat because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ --=====================_819251==_.ALT Taking about the fires: there was an article on NPR(National Public Radio) that was saying that the fires around Sidney werestarted by arsonists, possible serial arsonists. They also reported alarge number of people were arrested. What is going on there?Rich Jezioro At 11:46 AM 1/2/02, Tony Young wrote:I don't really know who will be there in NZthis March. I'm broke after buying a place there that I may not see again Uni so he can't make it either.Ian will be there presumably and there are a few NZ based makers as wellpossibly others from Aust too though there are fires happening in theplaces these guys live and they may not have any power (or houses either) to get on line to answer for a while. Something I've mentioned before is the exchange rate between the US andNZ is sensational from a US point of view. Last I read (day beforeyesterday) was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great.Once you get the price of the plane ticket out of the way you'll morethan double what you bring with you AND NZ isn't an expensive place soit's not like a lot of places where although the exchange rate is low thecost of living is high.Anybody not sure but interested really should look into it. If you do go you should be aware of some things.First make sure you bring a serious rod, #5 really is the right weight ora #6 preferably if you plan on fishing no matter what the conditions.You'll feel extremely inadequatemessing around with a decent brown in fast water with anything lessthough it will make for nice pics.The conditions can be VERY wet and windy. Also the midges or sand flys as they're called there are terrible so makesure you bring something with deet, ideally 100%. You need a hat because the days could be very warm and the sun is verybright there especially in the hills. The ozone hole is right over theSth Island so you fry easily there so make sure you bring both warm andcold weather clothes and a decent rain coat. Nymphing is the way to go in a lot of places, forget any pre conceived casting. You'll likely get the biggest fish that way. You do need drysand wets as well of course I'm just pointing out the need for nymphs,simple ones like GRHE and Pheasent Tail, some bead head to get good depthsome not. The fish there don't appear as selective as in the US as far asI can tell.Make sure you bring lots of film. Tony At 10:42 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Ralph MacKenzie wrote:I just found out I got bumped off the listsometime in the last day orso. :-( First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australia Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn'tdo me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindigin of SWMBO quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" foryou. mac/*************************************************************************/AV Young www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ --=====================_819251==_.ALT-- from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 2 17:31:42 2002 g02NVfW14990 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:31:41 -0600 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! Dear Shawn:I am flattered to get mentioned for contributing to the craft in any way. Iwill say that it is really the guys who contribute to the mag that make ithappen, and Jeff W. and Russ G. and the guys who have backed Power Fibers from the start.As far as the other guys you mentioned, I am trying hard to work throughthat list and meet every one of them personally. The guys who I have meetare without peer. They are fantastic gentlemen and master builders.And while I will never be the next Dickerson, or the best guitarist on theblock (my other love), I think that what you wrote about becoming betterhuman beings is a definite goal worth pursuing. I look at flyfishing androdmaking as a way to practice peace, and a way to deal with the stresses ofmodern living. It's no wonder that we are carrying on a tradition that goesback 100-150 years. I bet that life was a bit less hectic then. Maybe thatis what we are all grasping at.Thanks again,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Marty,hmmmm, I guess I would look at that a couple different ways....#1. If by "greatest" we were talking about the maker who had contributedthe most to the craft as a whole I would first start with many of the guysright here on the list, guys like AJ Thramer, Bob Nunley, Tom Smithwick,Tony Young, Tony Spezio, Harry Boyd, Wayne Cattanach, Chris Bogart, AlMedved, the list goes on and on right down to budding builders who sparknew and innovative ideas or make all of us rethink how and why we do thingsthe way we do.Also guys like Bob Maulucci, Ron Barch, Todd Talsma, Jerry Foster, JoeByrd, Ted Knott, Ray Gould, Wayne Cattanach, George Mauer, Harry Boyd,Andeven Mark Metcalf, for their Books/videos, articles, Web Pages, softwareand Magazines (printed and online) and through tireless effort to organizethe numerous gatherings around the world..All these people improve each and every one of us as rod builders and ashuman beings. Thank you one and all!!! (note sorry if I missed anyone, I'msure I have, the list would be huge)#2. If by "Greatest" we were talking about favorite rods, I would haveto lean to Paul H Young with Dickerson right up there, although I have asoft spot for almost every cane rod I've seen!Shawn from jbbamboo@hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 17:32:27 2002 g02NWRW15121 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:32:27 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:32:21 -0800 Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:32:21 GMT Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! FILETIME=[B9C0F8F0:01C193E5] To the list:My vote for the best tapers goes to Dickerson. As to who's built the highest quality rods, Al Medved and Tom Moran. From: "Marty D." Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker!Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:25:25 -0500 Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from iank@ts.co.nz Wed Jan 2 17:41:53 2002 g02NfpW15675 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:41:51 -0600 by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g02Nho015396 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:43:50+1300 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:43:48 +1300 Subject: Re: ouch - Real Southern rodmakers gathering Mac and others, I have just come home to do a few jobs and check the email so saw thisquestion a little late. The real Southern rodmakers gathering is coming together well. We have atleast 3 attending from the USA, and that was before "the Lord of the Rings "came out. There are a couple from Australia, someone has to check onTony'sblock of land next to the Buller river to make sure it is not washed away.There will be 3 or 4 from New Zealand , Danny from Norway , and maybe oneother Dutch rodmaker. It is not too late to attend and as Tony has pointed out it is very cheaponce you get here with about $2.40 (NZ) for the US Dollar. Also food andaccommodation is fairly cheap here. Danny and I did the shopping yesterdayand got a dozen cans of beer and 3 bottles of wine for less then $40 NZ. The program at this point of time is as follows:Friday evening , 8th March - BBQ and get together at Ian's placeSaturday morning , 9th March - some techniques.- splitting- binders including Tom Smithfield's eazy binder, Marty's simple binder,Milward binder- heat gun ovens Saturday afternoon- trying some rods , participants and some old rods including aselection of Hardy, Walker Brampton, and 1862 drop ring Farlow, a 1910steelcentred 15' Edgar Sealy with over 750 intermediate bindings( actually quitenice to cast but redefines "slow action")- making ferrules from tube Saturday evening- BBQ - Kina beach ( where some of the participants are staying) , TonyEntwhistle , a well known local fishing guide will be there to advise onlocal fishing conditions for those intending to put in a few days fishinglocally. Sunday morning ( probably a late start)- making guides- binding guides and using silk etc. Sunday afternoon- whatever is of interest to attendees Sunday evening- BBQ at Ian's place. Anyone who is interested in details or NZ information can contact me. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Subject: ouch I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was