from horsesho@ptd.net Tue Jan 1 00:07:41 2002 g0167eW05842 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:07:40 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.913989 secs); 01 Jan 200206:07:39 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Myster Rod Help Hi Kyle, Looks like a Montague/Chubb . It looks like it has a sheet cork grip. Nice winter project. Best, Marty KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: List, I need help in identifying a rod that I dug out of the attic this weekend. This is truly "Grandpas fly rod found at a garage sale". This rod was acquired from a widow who lived down the street from me when I was a kid. I used to mow lawns for her. One day I saw this bamboo rod sitting in the corner of the garage and she let me have it. Didn't know how to fly fish much back them, I was more in to slugging crank baits and spinner baits for bass. The rod somehow survived all these years, fortunately I had placed it in a PVC tube/case, and it looks to be in decent condition. The rod is 8' 6", 3 piece, 2 tips. No markings on it to identify the manufacturer. All fittings are brass, including a brass cap and ring reel seat, winding check, ferrules, and tip top. No guides are on the rod except the stripper which looks to be chrome plated brass, seems as if the ownerwas in the middle of refurbishing this rod. The ferrules and reel seat are pinned. Wraps are black (or could be a dark navy) and the rod is very thinly coated with varnish. Small black wraps are located very 2.5" along the butt section. The guides are missing on the mid and tip sections, but I can see where these thread rings were wrapped every 2.5" on all sections. Thewrap at the winding check is maroon/gold/maroon. It has a swelled but that is approximately oversized by about 0.100 inches. The handle a cork slender cigar style, and is dark brown either from age or some type of finish. There is no discernable node pattern, they are grouped and placedseemingly at random. Here are some links to two pictures: Picture of the grip, reel seat, and male ferrules: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/MR1.jpg Picture of the female ferrule ends, and shows the wrap wrings on the butt section, butt were also wrapped on the mid and tip sections: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/mr2.jpg Here is the Garrison curve for the heavy tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip1.jpg The Garrison curve for the light tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip2.jpg Here's the flat to flat dimensions: Heavy LightStation Tip Tip 0 0.070 0.0681 0.070 0.0685 0.090 0.08210 0.104 0.10215 0.118 0.11620 0.132 0.13125 0.144 0.13930 0.154 0.15135 0.15840 0.16845 0.17850 0.18855 0.20060 0.21165 0.21770 0.23275 0.23980 0.24985 0.26390 0.29895 0.302100 0.302102 0.302 Not sure what I have here, but the stress curves sure look interesting. Thanks again everyone for any insights you can share on this. Kyle from lblan@provide.net Tue Jan 1 00:29:45 2002 g016TjW06324 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:29:45 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:29:43 -0500 Subject: RE: fire works Ahem... are you saying the charm I wear to keep elephants out of thecampground doesn't work? I'll have you know it has worked perfectly to date,we have had no elephant problems since I began wearing it! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:53 PM Cc: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Re: fire works That was a strange phenomenon very like anti bear charms, you can'tprovesomething working only with a negative so the fact you haven't been eaten or the other.Same with Y2K. The potential for problems was unlimited but so were thedamages claims for all the IT personnel who made sure things were done asthey should to try to prevent problems so we're back to bear charms. I do know (or maybe it's urban myth) the Uganda CBD bus systemwas down asa result for several days and NASA lost two older and redundantsatellitesthey knew they would while Russia turned all the dates of theirPCs back adecade.Reminds me of a story I was told about NASA spending a year or soand about$1m developing an EVA proof pen, the Russians used pencils [:-)] I have a friend who was involved with a study of mass panic or paranoiasuch as the Y1K, Y2K, UFO's etc. Must see if it's finished, itmay make funreading. But to get to your point, yes, it's hard to believe Y2K was all that theworld was worried about, seems like years have passed since andhighlightsthe point you need to make hay while the sun shines because you can'tpredict the future. Tony At 02:18 PM 12/31/01 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Seems like yesterday we were all waiting in suspense to see if the Y2K bug would wipe out our list, computers and way of life!Just the other day I got a good chuckle at Staples they had a whole bin fullof Y2K detection/repair software for only $5.99!! I wonder how many of those they'll sell?? ;^) Shawn Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/31/01 10:30:51 AM Central Standard Time,avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: The fireworks tell me it's 2002.May everybody have a happy and safe new year and hopefuly a more promising one than the one past. Tony >> Damn Ozzies have to do EVERYTHING first!Happy new year everybody!mark /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Jan 1 02:44:50 2002 g018imW09596 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:44:49 -0600 Subject: RE: fire works Do you guys have much of an elephant problem there? Apart from New YearsI mean [:-)] At 01:33 AM 1/1/02 -0500, Larry Blan wrote: Ahem... are you saying the charm I wear to keep elephants out of thecampground doesn't work? I'll have you know it has worked perfectly todate,we have had no elephant problems since I began wearing it! Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:53 PM Cc: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Re: fire works That was a strange phenomenon very like anti bear charms, you can'tprovesomething working only with a negative so the fact you haven't beeneaten or the other.Same with Y2K. The potential for problems was unlimited but so were thedamages claims for all the IT personnel who made sure things were doneasthey should to try to prevent problems so we're back to bear charms. I do know (or maybe it's urban myth) the Uganda CBD bus systemwas down asa result for several days and NASA lost two older and redundantsatellitesthey knew they would while Russia turned all the dates of theirPCs back adecade.Reminds me of a story I was told about NASA spending a year or soand about$1m developing an EVA proof pen, the Russians used pencils [:-)] I have a friend who was involved with a study of mass panic or paranoiasuch as the Y1K, Y2K, UFO's etc. Must see if it's finished, itmay make funreading. But to get to your point, yes, it's hard to believe Y2K was all that theworld was worried about, seems like years have passed since andhighlightsthe point you need to make hay while the sun shines because you can'tpredict the future. Tony At 02:18 PM 12/31/01 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Seems like yesterday we were all waiting in suspense to see if the Y2K bug would wipe out our list, computers and way of life!Just the other day I got a good chuckle at Staples they had a whole bin fullof Y2K detection/repair software for only $5.99!! I wonder how many of those they'll sell?? ;^) Shawn Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/31/01 10:30:51 AM Central Standard Time,avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: The fireworks tell me it's 2002.May everybody have a happy and safe new year and hopefuly a more promising one than the one past. Tony >> Damn Ozzies have to do EVERYTHING first!Happy new year everybody!mark /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 1 06:07:00 2002 g01C70W11232 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:07:00 -0600 Subject: Re: devcon 5min epoxy In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:41 PM Central Standard Time, tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com writes: I used SIG Epoxy myself for most stuff that needed gluing and "Bob Smith" Cyanoacrylate (sp) for other gluing chores (this stuff comes in nylon/teflon bottles at your local hobby emporium with their shop name on them at aslight discount from the "name Brands") A friend, who shall remain nameless, was flying his R/C model airplane when another friend, flying in the same vicinity, managed to cut the tail from the first airplane with his own. First airplane immediately nosed over and went screaming towrd the ground with a .60 cu in engine wailing away at top volume. Although the sound cut off quite suddenly at extremely low altitude. After the "committee"gathered around the smoking hole to see what could be salvaged we all remarked about the Firewall to fuselage side joint. There was an engine with broken pieces, there were shreds of balsa wood and ply and plastic all over, but EVERY SINGLE epoxy joint was intact. I had used, ... I mean HE had used SIG epoxy, but Devcon is much the same I believe.mark from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 1 06:12:18 2002 g01CCHW11490 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:12:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Induction Motor In a message dated 12/31/01 5:15:10 PM Central Standard Time, channer@frontier.net writes: Guys! a shp teacher taught me this (when I was about 35!) when sharpening edged tools such as gouges and wood carving tools, (planes would apply here) once the edge is very sharp, run the edge with a "buffing wheel" first with Red rouge and then with white. a standard Bench grinder with two cloth buffing wheels works well. Don't cut into the wheel, buff away from the handle end so that the edge gets a nice mirror finish. Always worked for me with my wood gouges. Seems to last a while too!mark from dickay@alltel.net Tue Jan 1 07:03:11 2002 g01D3BW12117 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:03:11 -0600 srv.alltel.net Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:03:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Induction Motor Kyle, There are some condenser fan motors used on the outdoor units of airconditioners that are induction motors and that have a speed of 800 to 825RPM. These are normally found on high efficiency units. If you know aservice technician you might find a motor out of a unit that has beenreplaced. Again the motor will have to be mounted as they don't typicallyhave a cradle mount. This is if you are looking for a lower speed motor.Dick Fuhrman ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Induction Motor No! Shaded Pole - a heavy wire is wrapped around one "pole" of the winding,hence the name "shaded pole". The shaded pole provides the initial change in magnetic field that starts the motor. A typical use for a shaded pole motor would be a humidifier, or the electronic damper on your furnace. These aretypically high rpm, very low torque motors that are coupled with a gearboxto provide the necessary operating torque/speed range. An induction motor is typical of the motors found in heavier dutyapplications. One example would be *most* tablesaws. An induction motortypically requires a capacitor to start. It cannot be controlled with asimple resistance type switch. My guess would be that the grinder motor will be an induction motor. What rpm range are you aiming for with the powerstrop? The typicalspeedsyou will find on a bench grinder are 1750 or 3450. Bear in mind that the rpm of the grinder is only half the equation, the diameter of the wheel or strop determines the actual surface feet per minute. I haven't played with apowerstrop yet. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Induction Motor List: Is an induction motor the same thing as a shaded pole motor? The dishwasher pump motor I tried for my home-made powerstrop didn't have enough torque and crapped out on me... I need to go in anotherdirection.The two options I'm looking at are: 1) $35 Home Depot bench grinder, use with a fan motor speedcontrol (thiswill work if the bench grinder has a shaded pole motor) 2) Use a low rpm continuous duty motor from the Surplus Center, $20 (the pain here is that the motor must be mounted, leveled, squared,and rig somekind of tool rest) 3) __________ (I don't know... fill in the blanks, I'm tapped out at the moment after the first rod start up costs hit me, so minimal expense is a factor) Thanks everyone, Kyle PS - I enjoyed all the insights shared on the PHY midge. Seemsto be ideal flick dry flys15'-20' or so for the first few years, then he can go on tosomething moreversatile. The wild and native trout in our local waters are not easilyspooked by a nearby cast and are more than willing to attack anydecent topwater offering (at least the smaller ones are!) PSS - Rev Boyd, way to go in knocking down those fat daddyBrowns! I for onewould have been thrilled with any one of those three fish. from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 1 07:05:18 2002 g01D5IW12310 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:05:18 -0600 Subject: Re: fire works In a message dated 12/31/01 11:42:09 PM Central Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: But then what would all those engineers and lawyers do? hahahaha! mark from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 1 07:09:53 2002 g01D9qW12615 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:09:52 -0600 Subject: Re: elephant and bear charms In a message dated 1/1/02 12:30:19 AM Central Standard Time, lblan@provide.net writes: My Grandfather used to keep a bottle of wiskey close at hand for most occasions. When I would ask him about it as a child, he would say, "That's 'cause of snakebite. this keeps snakes away." When I got older and said that there were darn few snakes in Leavenworth Kansas, He would reply that there was, "No sense in taking chances now is there?" My grandfather was never, to my knowlege, ever bitten by a snake. Later of course, when I would ask him about it, he would reply, "Don't tell your Grandma and I'll give you some!"He was a saint!mark from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 1 09:21:45 2002 g01FLjW13723 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:21:45 -0600 g01FLic01101 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:21:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Happy New Year Same to you Bob and all on the list.May the New Year bring peace to the world.This message is late, my server was down from late yesterday afternoon tillnow.I let all the others see the New Year in , I went to bed with a stack ofmessages in the "Send Later" file.Happy New Year All.Tony FlyTYr@southshore.com Bob Nunley wrote: I hope everyone on the list has a happy and safe new year. For those ofyou planning to go out tonite, remember, it's what a group of my friendsdown here in Redneck USA call "Amateur Night"... It's the night when allthose who drink very little all year, will get out and whoop it up and bymidnight, will be saying "I know I had 22 beers and 4 Long Island IcedTeas... and the Champagne, hell, that stuff doesn't effect me at all!!! Ireally AM alright to drive!" Unfortunately, sometimes they drive right intosome of us... Just be careful, and if you do celebrate a little too much,spend the night with a friend (preferably one of the opposite sex that lookslike a professional fitness model) then take it on home safe in the morning.Of course, we don't have to worry about Bob Maulucci... he'll be goingto his New Year's Eve Party on Cross Country Skis! Wishing you all a Safe, Happy and Prosperous New Year, BobR.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from weakley.hollow@gte.net Tue Jan 1 09:35:37 2002 g01FZbW14072 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:35:37 -0600 Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:35:35 -0500 Subject: happy new year and thanks i'd like to wish all of you a happy new year, and thank y'all who have provided advice, both on rods and silk lines. i build just the occasional rod for myself; i've never needed to wonder about any facet of rod building, because the fine folks on this list have been so helpful. glm-- -------------------- gary misch cdr, usn (ret.) "freedom is not free" >Fromdmanders@telusplanet.net Tue Jan 1 09:42:33 2002 Received: from priv- g01FgWW14335 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 edtnes15-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122- Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:42:19 -0700 Message-Id:X- Sender:dmanders@pop.telusplanet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Guys/Gals, > from wherewinter is winter and it's cold [ -25F this AM ], all the best to those who makeme waste an hour every morning seeing just what neat idea has come up.Let's hope that we don't have a repeat of 2001 and everyone is healthy andhappy this time next year. catch ya' Donffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html > from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 109:42:36 2002 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net 16LR3h-000139-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 200210:42:34 -0500 Message-ID:From: "Jojo DeLancier" Subject: Re: devcon 5min epoxy Date: Tue, 1 MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 jojo@ipa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN From: "JojoDeLancier" Since we were talking of George Aldritch before,George highly recommended SIG being the preferred epoxy for model making,as well as their CA adhesives. As you might think, he had considerableexperience with both types of adhesives, and maintained that there were nobetter products on the market. M-D From: In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:41 PM Central Standard Time,tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com writes: the rod with a pocket knife razor blade and pliers. >> I used SIG Epoxy myself for most stuff that needed gluing and "Bob Smith" Cyanoacrylate (sp) for other gluing chores (this stuff comes in nylon/teflon bottles at your local hobby emporium with their shop name on them at a slight discount from the "name Brands") A friend, who shall remain nameless, was flying his R/C model airplane when another friend, flying in the samevicinity, managed to cut the tail from the first airplane with his own.First airplane immediately nosed over and went screaming towrd the ground with a .60 cu in engine wailing away at top volume. Although the sound cut off quite suddenly at extremely low altitude. After the "committee" gathered around the smoking hole to see what could be salvaged we all remarked about the Firewall to fuselage side joint. There was an engine with broken pieces, there were shreds of balsa wood and ply and plastic all over, but EVERYSINGLE epoxy joint was intact. I had used, ... I mean HE had used SIG epoxy, but Devcon is much the same I believe.mark from Lafaryjim@aol.com Tue Jan 1 10:01:56 2002 g01G1tW14996 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:01:55 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:01:40 -0500 Subject: Planing form info I'm using Penrose's plans.I have filed down the forms to within .005 of final depth. At station (00) is .080 to (70) .180. The question is when setting the depth gage on the forms and zeroing, starting at 70 and running gage down form I have three satation that are not a zero. Station (65) and (55) are .0015 low and station (25) is high .0015 to .002) The final depth is to be (00) .085 and (70) .155. Everything other than this looks good. Just want to know if I am on the right track? Thanks I'm using Penrose'splans.I have filed down the forms to within .005 of final depth. The question is when setting the depth gage on the forms and zeroing,starting at 70 and running gage down form I have three satation that are nota zero. Station (65) and (55) are .0015 low and station (25) is high .0015 to.002) The final depth is to be (00) .085 and (70) .155. to know if I am on the right track? Thanks from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 1 10:23:45 2002 g01GNiW15422 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:23:44 -0600 g01GNhc08296; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:23:43 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks from TBOWDEN@halcyon.com Tue Jan 1 10:24:28 2002 g01GORW15446 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:24:27 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:24:23 -0800 Subject: Ferrule Problem On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped a male ferrule so there is aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I was looking at Ray Gould's bookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser. It's basically twopieces of steel with various sized holes that, when clamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there any other options? Thanks Tom from carstenjorgensen@mail.dk Tue Jan 1 10:34:19 2002 g01GYJW15930 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:34:19 -0600 Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:34:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem g01GYJW15931 Go ahead and do it - Rays advice is worth taking - that book is a gem. regards, carsten jorgensen ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Ferrule Problem On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped a male ferrule so there is aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I was looking at Ray Gould's bookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser. It's basically twopieces of steel with various sized holes that, when clamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there any other options? Thanks Tom from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Jan 1 10:37:58 2002 g01GbvW16212 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:37:57 -0600 (authenticated) Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:37:26 -0800 Subject: Re: Planing form info --------------D898667FD8AAEE50BA63640C Hi Jim, If your work is that close, you deservecongratulations!! Go get a good strong cup ofcoffee, or whatever other beverage floats yourboat. Sit down for a minute with the betterhalf. Watch your favorite football team win abowl game today. Reach as far behind you as youcan, and give yourself a good firm pat on theback. Well done. Harry PS - if you're already at .080 to .180, you mightseriously consider quitting while you're ahead. Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: I'm using Penrose's plans.I have filed down the forms to within .005 offinal depth. At station (00) is .080 to (70) .180. The question is when setting the depth gage onthe forms and zeroing, starting at 70 andrunning gage down form I have three satationthat are not a zero. Station (65) and (55) are .0015 low and station(25) is high .0015 to .002) The final depth is to be (00) .085 and (70).155. Everything other than this looks good.Just want to know if I am on the right track? Thanks -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- --------------D898667FD8AAEE50BA63640C Hi Jim, Go get a good strong cup of coffee, or whatever other beverage floats your you as you can, and give yourself a good firm pat on the back. PS - if you're already at .080 to .180, you might seriously considerquitting while you're ahead.Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote:I'm usingPenrose's plans.I have filed down the formsto within .005 of final depth. to (70) .180.The question is when settingthe depth gage on the forms and zeroing, starting at 70 and running gagedown form I have three satation that are not a zero.Station (65) and (55) are.0015 low and station (25) is high .0015 to .002)The final depth is to be Just want to know if I am on the right track?Thanks -- -- Bamboo Rods -- --------------D898667FD8AAEE50BA63640C-- from jbbamboo47@yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 10:40:40 2002 g01GedW16453 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:40:40 -0600 01 Jan 2002 08:40:39 PST Subject: drip tube plug At the hardware found a test plug (oaty) Its made outof steel and rubber .With a wing nut that compresses the rubber between the two steel plates. No need forthreads. Just glue a 11/2 inch coupling on your pvcpipe.Makes a good seal when you need to open the tubejust loosen the wing nut. can do by hand. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 1 10:49:32 2002 g01GnVW16823 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:49:32 -0600 helo=default) id 16LS6U-0007HO-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:49:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem You can do as Ray suggests, or you can find someone with a 3-jaw chuck ontheir lathe, crimp the female, rotate so that the jaws now align midwaybetween the last contact points, and crimp again. It's a pain, but it works. M-D On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped a male ferrule so there is a slight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I was looking at Ray Gould's book the other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser. It's basically twopieces of steel with various sized holes that, when clamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there any other options? Thanks Tom from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 1 10:57:54 2002 g01GvrW17166 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:57:53 -0600 helo=default) id 16LSEY-0003HC-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:57:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Planing form info Good job, Jim. Harry suggested you quit while your ahead, but being of a =rodmaker mentality he secretly knows that you will obsessively seek the =ultimate refinement in your forms, possibly going to the other extreme. =Resist the urge, and quit. You'll be adjusting the forms to the =individual taper anyway. Now, I've just got to tell you, and Harry =pointed this out to me once, that your forms are off anyway. Instead of =increasing/decreasing the taper by .005 per 5" in your forms, you would =have needed to increase/decrease the taper by .00577. See, you've ruined =them already. ;o) M-D Subject: Planing form info The question is when setting the depth gage on the forms and zeroing, =starting at 70 and running gage down form I have three satation that are = Station (65) and (55) are .0015 low and station (25) is high .0015 to = The final depth is to be (00) .085 and (70) .155. Everything other = Good job, Jim. Harry = quit while your ahead, but being of a rodmaker mentality he secretly = you will obsessively seek the ultimate refinement in your forms, = to the other extreme. Resist the urge, and quit. You'll be adjusting the = to the individual taper anyway. Now, I've just got to tell you, and = increasing/decreasing the taper by .005 per 5" in your forms, you would = needed to increase/decrease the taper by .00577. See, you've ruined them = already. ;o) M-D ----- Original Message ----- Lafaryjim@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002= AMSubject: Planing form =infoI'm using = question is when setting the depth gage on the forms and zeroing, = 70 and running gage down form I have three satation that are not a = Station (65) and (55) are .0015 low and station (25) is high = from RMargiotta@aol.com Tue Jan 1 11:02:59 2002 g01H2wW17444 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:02:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem In a message dated 1/1/2002 11:27:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, TBOWDEN@halcyon.com writes: If the 3-jaw chuck trick doesn't work, send it to Dave LeClair. He'll electroplate the male and refit it. He does superb work at reasonable prices. --Rich In a message dated1/1/2002 11:27:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, TBOWDEN@halcyon.comwrites: If the 3-jaw chuck trick doesn't work, send it to Dave LeClair. reasonable prices. --Rich from blitzenrods@yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 11:11:17 2002 g01HBHW17797 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:11:17 -0600 Tue, 01 Jan 2002 09:11:16 PST Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem Tom, You probably already did this, but if not, be sure torule out a dry socket. I had a clicking ferrule on arod that I initially thought was too much materialremoved from the bottom of the male slide. A.J.suggested I check for a dry socket, meaning that Istarved one of the ferrule stations of glue or theglue didn't adhere to both surfaces sufficiently. Iremoved the ferrule, re-glued, and that solved theclick. The click was in the bamboo to ferrule ratherthan the ferrule to ferrule connection. It's somethingto confirm before altering the ferrules. Good luck. Chris --- Tom Bowden wrote: On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped amale ferrule so there is aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I waslooking at Ray Gould's bookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser.It's basically twopieces of steel with various sized holes that, whenclamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there anyother options? Thanks Tom __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from ttalsma@macatawa.org Tue Jan 1 11:11:24 2002 g01HBNW17802 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:11:23 -0600 id CCDQQYPQ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:07:23 -0500 M2002010112095216935; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:09:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem Tom, I seem to remember that there was someone who suggested "expanding" (forlack of a better term right now) the male. If memory serves me right,they put sand (or some other substance) into the the male portion of theferrule and then used a nail or some such thing to displace the sand andexpand the male portion of the ferrule. Does anyone remember this? Tom Bowden wrote: On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped a male ferrule so thereis aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I was looking at Ray Gould'sbookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser. It's basically two pieces of steel with various sized holes that, when clamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there any other options? Thanks Tom --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Rodmaking Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Rodmaking Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/index.htmgenealogy home page: Under Construction from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 1 11:13:54 2002 g01HDsW18029 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:13:54 -0600 helo=default) id 16LSU5-0001ts-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:13:53 -0500 Subject: Re: fire works Hard to argue with success. I seem to have this charm that keeps womencapable of having a healthy relationship away from me, while attractingwomen I'd be better off without. It's a cruel talisman. M-D Ahem... are you saying the charm I wear to keep elephants out of thecampground doesn't work? I'll have you know it has worked perfectly to date, we have had no elephant problems since I began wearing it! Larry Blan That was a strange phenomenon very like anti bear charms, you can't prove something working only with a negative so the fact you haven't been eaten or the other. Tony from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 1 11:29:41 2002 g01HTeW18831 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:29:41 -0600 helo=default) id 16LSjL-0006Tb-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:29:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem 'Twas the idea of Onis Cogburn. M-D Tom, I seem to remember that there was someone who suggested "expanding"(forlack of a better term right now) the male. If memory serves me right,they put sand (or some other substance) into the the male portion of theferrule and then used a nail or some such thing to displace the sand andexpand the male portion of the ferrule. Does anyone remember this? Tom Bowden wrote: On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped a male ferrule so thereis aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I was looking at Ray Gould'sbookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser. It's basically two pieces of steel with various sized holes that, when clamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there any other options? Thanks Tom --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business home: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Rodmaking Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Rodmaking Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/index.htmgenealogy home page: Under Construction from stoltz10@attbi.com Tue Jan 1 12:25:31 2002 g01IPUW19700 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:25:30 -0600 Subject: turnign ferrule station How hard is it to turn ferrule station by hand? I just finished up my =blanks and will be ready to do the ferrule this week, any help would be = Thnaks, Tim How hard is it to turn ferrule station = Thnaks,Tim from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 1 12:25:44 2002 g01IPhW19714 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:25:43 -0600 g01IPfc22637; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:25:41 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem Chris,Never thought about that, glad you posted it.I have had two that had clicks, one was a cheap brassferrule that came that way and and another was a refitjob. I was lucky to fix them with a three jaw Jycobschuck.Happy New YearTony FlyTyr@southshore.com Chris McDowell wrote: Tom, You probably already did this, but if not, be sure torule out a dry socket. I had a clicking ferrule on arod that I initially thought was too much materialremoved from the bottom of the male slide. A.J.suggested I check for a dry socket, meaning that Istarved one of the ferrule stations of glue or theglue didn't adhere to both surfaces sufficiently. Iremoved the ferrule, re-glued, and that solved theclick. The click was in the bamboo to ferrule ratherthan the ferrule to ferrule connection. It's somethingto confirm before altering the ferrules. Good luck. Chris --- Tom Bowden wrote: On my 11th rod, I finally did it - over-lapped amale ferrule so there is aslight "click" when the rod is wiggled. Damn! My inclination is to just replace it. But I waslooking at Ray Gould's bookthe other day & he had plans for a ferrule presser.It's basically twopieces of steel with various sized holes that, whenclamped together,squeeze the female ferrule. Has anyone tried something like this? Are there anyother options? Thanks Tom __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from LECLAIR123@aol.com Tue Jan 1 13:30:34 2002 g01JUXW20926 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:30:33 -0600 Subject: Re: turnign ferrule station In a message dated 01/01/2002 1:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, stoltz10@attbi.com writes: Hi Tim,I've done many ferrule stations by hand. If Ihave my lathe set up for something special, I don't want toset it back up again, so I cut the stations by hand, using a file. Measure the inside length of the ferrule you are goingto use, then mark your blank for that length. Now, measure thelength of the tabs on the ferrule and make a mark the blankwere they start. Wrap some masking tape in between your twomarks. This is where your cut will end. You will use a fine fileto taper the cane from your last mark into the ferrule station. Using a medium file, start by making a pass downone corner, then the next and so on, until you've hit all six.Then do it again, on all six corners. Take your measurementsevery pass, until the corners are all off. If you still have to removemore cane, lay the blank on your bench and rotate the blank, whileyou use the file in a back and forth motion. File just a little, rotate slightly, file a little more, rotate, file, etc. Keep taking your measurements, until you get close to your final diam. Then very carefully, use sand paper to go around the stationand keep trying the ferrule fit, until the ferrule will fit onto thestation snugly. You don't want a loose fit. It should go on witha little bit of a push. That's about all there is to it. Just take your time and keepmeasuring and fitting the ferrule until it fits. Just don't rush it. Dave L. http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from davidhray@mindspring.com Tue Jan 1 16:06:46 2002 g01M6jW24694; helo=hostname.mindspring.com) id 16LX3T-0006ky-00; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 17:06:43 -0500 and Collecting Subject: Fast 6wt. --=======F2A2675======= ascii; format=flowed Hi Guys, I am looking for a 8 to 8.5 ft. 6 wt that will handle heavy, dare I use the N word, and streamers bass poppers etc. I have built a Garrison but I wanted something faster. I plenty of tapers but not sure which ones are faster. Headed to Florida to get out of the cold for a few months and wanted to fix two rods I broke this year and built a fast 6wt. David H. Ray --=======F2A2675======= ok-15FC38E2 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - Release Date: 12/31/01 --=======F2A2675=======-- from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 1 16:58:11 2002 g01MwBW25600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:58:11 -0600 Subject: Re: devcon 5min epoxy In a message dated 1/1/02 9:43:16 AM Central Standard Time, jojo@ipa.netwrites: I would agree personally, SIG comes in several varieties, from 5 min to 15 to 30 and I believe 60 minute pot time. There MAY be a 45 as well, but am not sure. I was taught a very good technique for my use in "glassing" wings for strength that would be applicable for rod making. Set the glob of epoxy where you want it and hit it with a hair dryer or heat gun. this will make the epoxy go watery and will flow into small crevices ,pre easily. It will also help to set the epoxy sooner.To give you an idea of the strength of this, I had built an experimental model flying wing (like a B-2 but straight GMA would have known it easily as a Simitar design) Mine was white styrofoam wing covered by a tagboard wing sheet (pressed, laminated paper) the two wing halves were butted together, then glued with 30 minute epoxy. A 2 inch wide piece of light glass fiber cloth was wrapped around the wing joint and epoxy was sqweegied into it and heated to soak the cloth and paper under it then allowed to dry. After finishing the wing It was used as an experimental trainer model for a time. It had a 78 ingh wing span.On a flight that summer, the model experienced a catistrophic failure of the control mixer and dived in, striking the ground on one wing tip and cartwheeling in a rather spectacular fashion. The wing snapped in two just outside the wing join . i had to cut the wing in half by cutting the center section and rebuilding the wing at 72 inches using the same technique. the wing survived. The Epoxy joint was not even cracked, and I build LIGHT model airplanes. That stuff is strong if applied correctly! mark from davidhray@mindspring.com Tue Jan 1 17:12:24 2002 g01NCOW26092 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:12:24 -0600 helo=hostname.mindspring.com) id 16LY51-0004Ug-00 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 18:12:24 -0500 Subject: Faster 6wt. --=======62A833BE======= ascii; format=flowed Hi Guys, I am looking for a 8 to 8.5 ft. 6 wt that will handle heavy, dare I use theN word, and streamers bass poppers etc. I have built a Garrison but Iwanted something faster. I plenty of tapers but not sure which ones arefaster. Headed to Florida to get out of the cold for a few months andwanted to fix two rods I broke this year and built a fast 6wt. David H. Ray --=======62A833BE======= ok-15FC38E2 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - Release Date: 12/31/01 --=======62A833BE=======-- from piscator@macatawa.org Tue Jan 1 17:56:03 2002 g01NtwW26795; ,, "and Collecting" Subject: Re: Fast 6wt. I made a Dickerson 8615 from the Howell book. Tips were too soft, but itcast a lot of line real well. Now I'm making replacement tips from thetaper poster on the RM taper page. I thik it's going to be just the ticket!You might also look at Bogart's tapers. I seem to remember casting athunder stick he built a couple of years ago at Grayrock. Brian Brian----- Original Message ----- ;"and Collecting" Subject: Fast 6wt. Hi Guys, I am looking for a 8 to 8.5 ft. 6 wt that will handle heavy, dare I use the N word, and streamers bass poppers etc. I have built a Garrison but Iwanted something faster. I plenty of tapers but not sure which ones arefaster. Headed to Florida to get out of the cold for a few months andwanted to fix two rods I broke this year and built a fast 6wt. David H. Ray -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - Release Date: 12/31/01 from JAQFOLL@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 1 18:12:50 2002 g020CnW27251 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:12:50 -0600 ;Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:12:39 +0000 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem That's right Chris as I have done the same to two female ferrules to tightenthem and it works just fine. I don't know however how long they will staytight but they have been fine so far. Jack from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 18:33:26 2002 g020XQW27715 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:33:26 -0600 01 Jan 2002 16:33:25 PST Subject: Re: Fast 6wt. david, if you are planning on casting "heavy"streamers and poppers why are you not looking for a7wt or an 8 wt.? "heavy" is pretty relative but in myexperience a 6wt is sort of undergunned for theheavier bass lures. timothy --- Davidhray wrote: Hi Guys, I am looking for a 8 to 8.5 ft. 6 wt that willhandle heavy, dare I use the N word, and streamers bass poppers etc. I have builta Garrison but I wanted something faster. I plenty of tapers but notsure which ones are faster. Headed to Florida to get out of the cold fora few months and wanted to fix two rods I broke this year and built afast 6wt. David H. Ray ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system(http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - ReleaseDate: 12/31/01 ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 1 19:33:35 2002 g021XYW28660 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:33:34 -0600 helo=excalibur.ix.netcom.com) id 16LaHT-00038Q-00; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:33:23 -0500 RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: devcon 5min epoxy --=======61D33A08======= format=flowed I'll do you one better. A few years ago I built a P6E byplane. Goldberg I think. Balsa fuselage and foam wings. I painted the nose on the inside with slow curing epoxy, Tower Hobbies I think. Then I heated it with a heat gun to lower the viscosity. Gets as thin as water when you do that. I made one mistake with the model. Didn't put in enough dihedral. As long as the engine was running full throttle (.40 engine), it flew ok. Throttle back and the plane "fell over", spun out and dived into the ground. Now this didn't happen once. I tried a dozen times to get that plane to fly. Every time it dived into the ground. Sometimes under full throttle. It never cracked a joint. Wings got little dents where the rubber bands were but nothing broke. The ground was not soft either. To hard to make much of a dent. The plane always landed going straight in and bounced each time. I still have the plane. Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com At 07:06 AM 1/1/02 -0500, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/31/01 2:07:41 PM Central Standard Time,tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com writes: the rod with a pocket knife razor blade and pliers. >> I used SIG Epoxy myself for most stuff that needed gluing and "Bob Smith"Cyanoacrylate (sp) for other gluing chores (this stuff comes in nylon/teflonbottles at your local hobby emporium with their shop name on them at aslightdiscount from the "name Brands") A friend, who shall remain nameless,wasflying his R/C model airplane when another friend, flying in the samevicinity, managed to cut the tail from the first airplane with his own.First airplane immediately nosed over and went screaming towrd the groundwith a .60 cu in engine wailing away at top volume. Although the sound cutoff quite suddenly at extremely low altitude. After the "committee"gatheredaround the smoking hole to see what could be salvaged we all remarkedaboutthe Firewall to fuselage side joint. There was an engine with broken pieces,there were shreds of balsa wood and ply and plastic all over, but EVERYSINGLE epoxy joint was intact. I had used, ... I mean HE had used SIG epoxy,but Devcon is much the same I believe.mark ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01 --=======61D33A08======= ok-355DD0C ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01 --=======61D33A08=======-- from homes-sold@attbi.com Tue Jan 1 19:36:29 2002 g021aSW28869 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:36:28 -0600 ;Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:36:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Planing form info Jim,If I understand you correctly, you have another .005" to go more or =less. If you look at the article in Power Fibers October 2001 issue and =build the "File Plane" in the "Forms Tune-up" article you should be able =to get the final measurements you want. I don't know how many have built =a used the "File Plane" but Harry, Todd and myself have one. I've used =it several times and it works, but then again I may be predigest, I =designed it. B>)Good luck.Don Subject: Planing form info Jim,If I understand you correctly, you have= .005" to go more or less. If you look at the article in Power Fibers = 2001 issue and build the "File Plane" in the "Forms Tune-up" article you = built a used the "File Plane" but Harry, Todd and myself have one. I've = several times and it works, but then again I may be predigest, I = Good luck.Don From: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:01 AMSubject: Planing form infoI'm using = from lblan@provide.net Tue Jan 1 20:23:34 2002 g022NXW29599 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:23:33 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:23:32 -0500 Subject: RE: Sir D info In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, athree piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified by Darryl andthe original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other taperscome from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. Whiletheycertainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keepingthe original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:48:55 2002 g022msW00129 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:48:54 -0600 Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:48:37 -0800 "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: Test post. FILETIME=[FA08CE50:01C19337] test from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 1 21:14:28 2002 g023ESW00701 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:14:28 -0600 g023EPM11670; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:14:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Sir D info Larry,Thanks for making me aware of that. I was under the impression that the SirDwas Wayne's 7' 4 wt. that was modified by Darryl. Regardless, it is a greattaper in my opinion.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comSorry for the mistake. Larry Blan wrote: In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, athree piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified by Darryl andthe original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other taperscome from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. Whiletheycertainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keepingthe original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 1 21:49:14 2002 g023nDW01346 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:49:13 -0600 g023n4M16272 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:49:04 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrule Problem I am going on the third year on a cheap brass ferrule that I tightened with aJycobs Chuck.It was on Rod #1. It loosened up in a few casts. That is what I get for using a3.50 chrome plated brass Ferrule. Has been OK since I gave it the Jycobstreatment.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jacques Follweiler wrote: That's right Chris as I have done the same to two female ferrules totightenthem and it works just fine. I don't know however how long they will staytight but they have been fine so far. Jack from KyleDruey@aol.com Tue Jan 1 22:19:46 2002 g024JkW01869 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:19:46 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:19:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Sir D info and to make this even more confusing, the WC 7' 4wt is supposed to be a combined taper from a PHY Midge and a Cross Sylph (unknown taper)... I would love to start a thread on taper classification and how it relates to the action of the rod, and to maybe create the initial spark... IMHO a "progressive" taper tells me nothing about the action of the rod... (fire suit is on and I am basting myself with BBQ sauce, flame away!) Kyle In a message dated 01/01/2002 6:24:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, lblan@provide.net writes: In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, athree piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified by Darryl andthe original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other taperscome from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. Whiletheycertainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keepingthe original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants.Larry Blan-----Original Message---- -From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf03.mx.aol.com (rly-xf03.mail.aol.com Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:24:08 -0500 rly- Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:23:53 -0500 g022NqW29633; g022NXW29599 X-Spam-Filter: check_local@dns1.provide.net by digitalanswers.orgFrom: "Larry Blan" Subject: RE: Sir D infoDate: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:27:26 -0500Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3 (Normal)X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from lblan@provide.net Tue Jan 1 22:28:37 2002 g024SbW02164 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:28:37 -0600 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:28:35 -0500 Subject: RE: Sir D info IMHO, how it came to be is not as important as how we identify it. It istough to talk about a rod if I think it is a 7' 2pc 4wt, and someone elsebelieves it to be a 7-1/2' 3pc 3wt. I don't recall Wayne mentioning the Midge, but I could be mistaken (I wasseriously mistaken in my motor post yesterday, but no one took me to taskonit!). I do know that he has mentioned the Sylph, and "the Young Parabolics".You can view the Sylph in the Taper archives, or Frank's page. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: Re: Sir D info and to make this even more confusing, the WC 7' 4wt is supposed to be acombined taper from a PHY Midge and a Cross Sylph (unknown taper)... I would love to start a thread on taper classification and how itrelates tothe action of the rod, and to maybe create the initial spark... IMHO a"progressive" taper tells me nothing about the action of the rod... (firesuit is on and I am basting myself with BBQ sauce, flame away!) Kyle In a message dated 01/01/2002 6:24:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,lblan@provide.net writes: In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, a three piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified the original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other tapers come from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. While they certainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keeping the original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf03.mx.aol.com (rly-xf03.mail.aol.com MAILINXF26-0101212408; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:24:08 -0500Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu MAILRELAYINXF310-0101212353; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:23:53 -0500 g022NqW29633; Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net g022NXW29599 X-Spam-Filter: check_local@dns1.provide.net by digitalanswers.orgFrom: "Larry Blan" Subject: RE: Sir D infoDate: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:27:26 -0500Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3 (Normal)X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 1 23:16:09 2002 g025G8W03000 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:16:08 -0600 helo=default) id 16Ldl0-0004Bd-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:16:06 -0500 Subject: Where's Danny? Has anyone heard from our wandering Norwegian? He was to leave Norway onthe30th of Nov, and surely he's had enough time to get to NZ, get on line, orlet someone know where the heck he is and what he's doing. He's probablydoing nothing but fishing for big Browns, taking pictures of them, withwhich he'll taunt us all into submission. M-D from petermckean@netspace.net.au Wed Jan 2 04:11:39 2002 g02ABbW05601 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:11:37 -0600 g02ABQV69623; Subject: Re: Induction Motor Mark I have been intrigued by the discussions over the last couple of years about"Scary Sharp" and leather wheels, and cloth wheels, and diamond wheels; soI had a leather wheel made, set it up on my grinder, gooped it up withdiamond paste, organised a jig, and sharpened some irons. (I must say here that for some timeI used wet& dry paper in decreasing gritratings to "do" my plane irons, and stopped because it was so bloodydirty!) So, did the leather wheel work? Sure did! Was it a good option? NO WAY. I suspect that they will find me dead one cold night with my tiny handfrozen (like Mimi, perhaps, in La Boheme) to my sharpening jig, the wholetableau being forever one with my Japanese water stones. I must stress, once again, that I am a hobby builder; time is not, for me,of the essence. The origin of the word "pastime" is, after all, "pass time".And if you are not in a hurry, there is no reason to mechanise your toolsharpening procedure. I am sure that I can get as good an edge on my Hock irons with my series ofwaterstones as can be achieved with more modern processes - not better,butas good. I use 800, 1200, 6000, and 8000, the last two with a pastingstone (Nawara stones, I think they call them). I lap each stone briefly withthe next as I progress through the series, so that they are always flat andready to use. I choose to wear a pair of nitrile gloves while I sharpen because it keepsmy hands from drying out excessively, and I don't use the Veritas jig, buta jig of European origin which makes it easier to get the blade angle right. The whole process is relaxed, relaxing, and enjoyable. I am convinced thatmy systolic blood pressure is about 20mm lower after sharpening a bladethan it was when I started! I am NOT saying that my way is better, but it's as good, and if you arestarting out, it seems to me that it is very easy to become mired in a hugemorass of power tools; and that is simply not necessary. You can build a very servicable bamboo fly rod by hand splitting,straightening and node adjusting with an alcohol lamp, bevelling with aplane, final tapering ditto, binding by hand, and wrapping without anymechanical aids. There is not any particular merit attached to doing it this way; it's justanother way. I don't, in fact, do it in such a purist fashion. I use a power heat gun,and I turn my cork grips in a chuck in a hand drill. I am not Jim Payne,but I have now made about thirty bamboo rods and none have yet brokendown,and I fish them pretty hard. So if you are thinking about building a rod, don't buggerise about for twoor three years accumulating the automated workshop. I find it very hard tobelieve that I am quoting Terry "Stormcloud" Ackland here, but he said "Getin and build the rods and make the mistakes", and he couldn't have beenmore right! Please don't quote me on that one. Peter from petermckean@netspace.net.au Wed Jan 2 04:25:50 2002 g02APnW05914 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:25:49 -0600 g02APht71628; Subject: Re: fire works So when do we get to the "cruel" bit? Peter from horsesho@ptd.net Wed Jan 2 05:33:29 2002 g02BXTW06630 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:33:29 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.663249 secs); 02 Jan 200211:33:23 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who "the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes to Goodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers and starting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods that have very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 06:03:48 2002 g02C3kW07027 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:03:47 -0600 Subject: RE: Sir D info We go through this every few months and the Sir D just keeps popping up as the variant. I wish we could inscribe in rock someplace the Sir D is theORIGINAL and UN-MODIFIED WC 7' #4. The story as to how and why this is so is a meandering and a little confusing tale but is never the less so.All the other rod variations including the DH modification are called modifications of the original, NONE of the modifications are the Sir D because the Sir D IS the original.Happily the two people involved in this tale are both still alive to confirm the details. Tony At 09:27 PM 1/1/02 -0500, Larry Blan wrote: In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, athree piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified by Darryl andthe original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other taperscome from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. Whiletheycertainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keepingthe original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 06:12:59 2002 g02CCvW07269 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:12:58 -0600 Subject: RE: Sir D info Wayne did tell the list the lineage of the Sir D about 18 months back because a few people were mentioning the taper seemed in a lot of ways like certain PHY tapers but different enough to be a different style class. My thoughts were it was somehow related to a Driggs because I was using one of these a lot then and when I compared it to my boy's Sir D there was a very close similarity in a few ways. I was wrong of course, it is related to a PHY taper from memory using a relatively obscure taper with a hinge effect added as well as other modifications as well. Wayne did a great job with this taper by the way for anybody who hasn't tried one.This was a while back so the details are dim but the whole sordid story is in the achieves. Tony At 11:32 PM 1/1/02 -0500, Larry Blan wrote: IMHO, how it came to be is not as important as how we identify it. It istough to talk about a rod if I think it is a 7' 2pc 4wt, and someone elsebelieves it to be a 7-1/2' 3pc 3wt. I don't recall Wayne mentioning the Midge, but I could be mistaken (I wasseriously mistaken in my motor post yesterday, but no one took me to taskonit!). I do know that he has mentioned the Sylph, and "the Young Parabolics".You can view the Sylph in the Taper archives, or Frank's page. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: Re: Sir D info and to make this even more confusing, the WC 7' 4wt is supposed to be acombined taper from a PHY Midge and a Cross Sylph (unknown taper)... I would love to start a thread on taper classification and how itrelates tothe action of the rod, and to maybe create the initial spark... IMHO a"progressive" taper tells me nothing about the action of the rod... (firesuit is on and I am basting myself with BBQ sauce, flame away!) Kyle In a message dated 01/01/2002 6:24:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,lblan@provide.net writes: In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, a three piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified the original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other tapers come from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. While they certainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor of keeping the original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu SpezioSent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf03.mx.aol.com (rly-xf03.mail.aol.com MAILINXF26-0101212408; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:24:08 -0500Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu MAILRELAYINXF310-0101212353; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:23:53 -0500 g022NqW29633; Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net g022NXW29599 X-Spam-Filter: check_local@dns1.provide.net by digitalanswers.orgFrom: "Larry Blan" Subject: RE: Sir D infoDate: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:27:26 -0500Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3 (Normal)X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) byCREN /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Dkenney94@cs.com Wed Jan 2 06:34:23 2002 g02CYNW07670 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:34:23 -0600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:34:05 -0500 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! That's a tough one! I love Granger, but was he really a rod maker, or company owner? Does it make a difference? Weren't the best Granger rodsmade long after his death? By Phillipson? I gotta go with Jim Payne, with a second to Wes Jordan(Probably the most influential of the later "Golden Age" makers)Dave That's a tough one! Does it make a difference? Weren't the best Granger rods made long afterhis death? By Phillipson? Jordan(Probably the most influential of the later "Golden Age" makers) from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 2 07:38:13 2002 g02DcCW08633 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:38:12 -0600 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! Uh oh, here we go. I think the greatest (really "favorite") depends on whoyou are, where you are, and how you fish. For me, I would say that I wouldbreak them up into several categories.Best tapers: Paul Young. Too bad the rods look like they do. (Go ahead andflame me, it's okay.)Best finish/cosmetics: T&T. Took the Payne and Leonard aesthetics to thenext level.Most innovative: Lew Stoner or EC Powell. The hollow building and tapers arevery out of the box. Must be a Western thing.Most talented: Lyle Dickerson. The aethetics, tapers, ferrules, machines,are all signs of a genius.Most underated: Fred and Leon Thomas. I cast that FE Thomas at theCatskills. It was everything that the Paynes and Leonard rods are all inone. The tapers from Thomas I have cast are fantastic. Second mostunderatedwould be Hardy. They get slagged for no reason. They have some greatactions. But, if I could own only one, it would be a Carlson Four without any doubtin my mind. So, in my mind, SAM CARLSON wins. They are great casting,supertapers, and have the classic charm that some contemporaries miss. Just my opinion, maybe not worth that much,Bob-----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Dkenney94@cs.com Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! That's a tough one! I love Granger, but was he really a rod maker, orcompany owner? Does it make a difference? Weren't the best Granger rodsmadelong after his death? By Phillipson?I gotta go with Jim Payne, with a second to WesJordan(Probably the most influential of the later "Golden Age" makers)Dave we go. I think the greatest (really "favorite") depends on who you are, = you are, and how you fish. For me, I would say that I would break them = several categories. tapers: Paul Young. Toobad the = like they do. (Go ahead and flame me, it's =okay.) finish/cosmetics: T&T. Took the Payne and Leonard aesthetics to the = level. innovative: Lew Stoner or EC Powell. The hollow building and tapers are = of the box. Must be a Western thing. talented: Lyle Dickerson. The aethetics, tapers, ferrules, machines, are = signs of a genius. underated: Fred and Leon Thomas. I cast that FE Thomas at the Catskills. = everything that the Paynes and Leonard rods are all in one. The tapers = Thomas I have cast are fantastic. Second most underated would be Hardy. = slagged for no reason. They have some greatactions. could own only one, it would be a Carlson Four without any doubt in my = = have the classic charm that some contemporaries miss. = opinion, maybe not worth that much,Bob Dkenney94@cs.comSent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 Re: The = maker, or company owner? Does it make a difference? Weren't the best = = gotta go with Jim Payne, with a second to Wes Jordan(Probably the most = = = from ttalsma@macatawa.org Wed Jan 2 08:36:06 2002 g02Ea5W10431 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:36:05 -0600 id ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:29:23 -0500 id Y2QPVG35; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:29:17 -0500 Subject: Classes on the west coast? All, I received this email and was wondering if someone could give me any Hello Todd: I'm at the beginning stage of bamboo rod repair and construction. I've been reading as much information as I can gather and have a few project rods stripped and ready to wrap. I feel the next step for me is to attend a rod making workshop. I been reading about some which cover a lot of ground over a week long period. Do you know of any workshops out west, preferably California in the $800 to $1,000 range? Most of what I've seen on the web are located in the east. Any help will be apprciated. Nick Anthony -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from rmoon@ida.net Wed Jan 2 09:04:53 2002 Received: from ida.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:03:38 -0700 petermckean@netspace.net.au CC: Lazybee45@aol.com, rodmakersSubject: Re: Induction Motor References: Content-Type: text/plain; rmoon@ida.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Peter I will indeedquote you on this. I have preached the same text many times. When Iconsider the manner in which I built my first rod, I wonder that I continued. Idid! and to this day I get more enjoyment from the old tried and truemethods than I would wrinkling my brow about how to get a genuinefrimplestan beveler tuned up. Many thanks Ralph Peter McKean wrote: Mark I have been intrigued by the discussions over the last couple of years about"Scary Sharp" and leather wheels, and cloth wheels, and diamond wheels;soI had a leather wheel made, set it up on my grinder, gooped it up withdiamond paste, organised a jig, and sharpened some irons. (I must say here that for some timeI used wet& dry paper in decreasinggritratings to "do" my plane irons, and stopped because it was so bloodydirty!) So, did the leather wheel work? Sure did! Was it a good option? NO WAY. I suspect that they will find me dead one cold night with my tiny handfrozen (like Mimi, perhaps, in La Boheme) to my sharpening jig, the wholetableau being forever one with my Japanese water stones. I must stress, once again, that I am a hobby builder; time is not, for me,of the essence. The origin of the word "pastime" is, after all, "pass time".And if you are not in a hurry, there is no reason to mechanise your toolsharpening procedure. I am sure that I can get as good an edge on my Hock irons with my seriesofwaterstones as can be achieved with more modern processes - not better,butas good. I use 800, 1200, 6000, and 8000, the last two with a pastingstone (Nawara stones, I think they call them). I lap each stone briefly withthe next as I progress through the series, so that they are always flat andready to use. I choose to wear a pair of nitrile gloves while I sharpen because it keepsmy hands from drying out excessively, and I don't use the Veritas jig, buta jig of European origin which makes it easier to get the blade angle right. The whole process is relaxed, relaxing, and enjoyable. I am convinced thatmy systolic blood pressure is about 20mm lower after sharpening a bladethan it was when I started! I am NOT saying that my way is better, but it's as good, and if you arestarting out, it seems to me that it is very easy to become mired in a hugemorass of power tools; and that is simply not necessary. You can build a very servicable bamboo fly rod by hand splitting,straightening and node adjusting with an alcohol lamp, bevelling with aplane, final tapering ditto, binding by hand, and wrapping without anymechanical aids. There is not any particular merit attached to doing it this way; it's justanother way. I don't, in fact, do it in such a purist fashion. I use a power heat gun,and I turn my cork grips in a chuck in a hand drill. I am not Jim Payne,but I have now made about thirty bamboo rods and none have yet brokendown,and I fish them pretty hard. So if you are thinking about building a rod, don't buggerise about for twoor three years accumulating the automated workshop. I find it very hard tobelieve that I am quoting Terry "Stormcloud" Ackland here, but he said "Getin and build the rods and make the mistakes", and he couldn't have beenmore right! Please don't quote me on that one. Peter --?IôO from mrmac@tcimet.net Wed Jan 2 09:42:05 2002 g02Fg4W14766 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:42:04 -0600 helo=tcimet.net) id 16LnWl-0003aj-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 07:42:03 -0800 Subject: ouch I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't dothat because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from mcanultj@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu Wed Jan 2 10:03:07 2002 g02G36W15893 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:03:06 -0600 743.svm.vetmed.wisc.edu) 2002 10:03:06 -0600 Subject: Re: ouch Just curious, when and where is the gathering planned?Jon McAnulty How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from KyleDruey@aol.com Wed Jan 2 10:07:30 2002 g02G7UW16303 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:07:30 -0600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:07:10 -0500 MAILINID43-0102110710; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:07:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Myster Rod Help Thanks to all who replied. Still don't know for sure what it is but consensusseems to have narrowed it down to either an H-I, Chubb, or Montague. I don'treally have an interst in the rod, contact me off list if anyone does,otherwise I may just take it to ebay. Kyle In a message dated Mon, 31 Dec 2001 9:25:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,Kyle Druey writes: List, I need help in identifying a rod that I dug out of the attic this weekend. This is truly "Grandpas fly rod found at a garage sale". This rod was acquired from a widow who lived down the street from me when I was a kid. I used tomow lawns for her. One day I saw this bamboo rod sitting in the corner ofthe garage and she let me have it. Didn't know how to fly fish much backthem, I was more in to slugging crank baits and spinner baits for bass. Therod somehow survived all these years, fortunately I had placed it in a PVCtube/case, and it looks to be in decent condition. The rod is 8' 6", 3 piece, 2 tips. No markings on it to identify themanufacturer. All fittings are brass, including a brass cap and ring reelseat, winding check, ferrules, and tip top. No guides are on the rod exceptthe stripper which looks to be chrome plated brass, seems as if the ownerwas in the middle of refurbishing this rod. The ferrules and reel seat arepinned. Wraps are black (or could be a dark navy) and the rod is very thinlycoated with varnish. Small black wraps are located very 2.5" along the buttsection. The guides are missing on the mid and tip sections, but I can seewhere these thread rings were wrapped every 2.5" on all sections. The wrapat the winding check is maroon/gold/maroon. It has a swelled but that isapproximately oversized by about 0.100 inches. The handle a cork slendercigar style, and is dark brown either from age or some type of finish. Thereis no discernable node pattern, they are grouped and placed seemingly atrandom. ! Here are some links to two pictures: Picture of the grip, reel seat, and male ferrules: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/MR1.jpg Picture of the female ferrule ends, and shows the wrap wrings on the buttsection, butt were also wrapped on the mid and tip sections: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/mr2.jpg Here is the Garrison curve for the heavy tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip1.jpg The Garrison curve for the light tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip2.jpg Here's the flat to flat dimensions: Heavy LightStation Tip Tip 0 0.070 0.0681 0.070 0.0685 0.090 0.08210 0.104 0.10215 0.118 0.11620 0.132 0.13125 0.144 0.13930 0.154 0.15135 0.15840 0.16845 0.17850 0.18855 0.20060 0.21165 0.21770 0.23275 0.23980 0.24985 0.26390 0.29895 0.302100 0.302102 0.302 Not sure what I have here, but the stress curves sure look interesting. Thanks again everyone for any insights you can share on this. Kyle from bhoy551@earthlink.net Wed Jan 2 11:11:45 2002 g02HBiW19627 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:11:44 - helo=bhoy.earthlink.net) id 16LovW-0005O9-00 for RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:11:43 -0800 Subject: smooth transitions under wraps A while ago, I seem to remember a post about using a g***ite epoxycompound to smooth the transition between ferrules and cane and between cork and cane to even out the wraps in these areas. I've had trouble getting a nice smooth transition under the wraps between cork and cane. Does anybody do this? What product and method do you use? Thanks, Bill from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Wed Jan 2 11:19:50 2002 g02HJoW20110 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:19:50 -0600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:17:05 -0600 pri.pacificare.com (Tumbleweed ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:25:54 -0800 Subject: RE: Sir D info The confusion of how long the Sir D is stems from Wayne derived and postedawhole series of different lengths and different number of pieces of the SirD, from 6' 3" to 7' 6" two and three pieces. One word of caution if you findthe post - on the three piece shorter lengths the ferrule interferes withthe hinge.Darryl -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: RE: Sir D info In the archives, we have people who think the Sir D is a two piece rod, athree piece rod, 6' 3" rod, a 7' 6" rod, a 7' rod as modified by Darrylandthe original Sir D, which of course is Wayne's 7' 4 wt. These other taperscome from a series modified from the Sir D, and posted by Wayne. Whiletheycertainly owe their ancestry to the original, I'm still in favor ofkeepingthe original as the Sir D, and come up with other descriptions for thevariants. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Sir D info Here is the Sir D and the Wayne C tapers side byside.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comW/C 3 Pc. Sir D 2 Pc.TIP TIP00 .068 .06805 .070 .07210 .082 .08415 .102 .10420 .123 .12325 .137 .13730 .154 .152MID 10/64 ferrule25 .13730 .15435 .171 .16640 .191 .18413/64 Ferrule @ 42 1/2"Butt45 .213 .20650 .220 .21455 .225 .22060 .250 .244Butt 15/64 ferrule55 .22560 .25065 .266 .25870 .282 .27275 .311 .30080 .311 .30085 .311 .300 Lafaryjim@aol.com wrote: Tony Where can I find the taper for a 7'-6" 4/5 wtSir D.? Thanks This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 2 11:37:29 2002 g02HbSW21035 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:29 - Subject: RE: smooth transitions under wraps I do on quads, and sometimes on serrations that do not cooperate. I use FlexCoat two part wrap epoxy in the syringes. I think it is a nice idea.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: smooth transitions under wraps A while ago, I seem to remember a post about using a g***ite epoxycompoundto smooth the transition between ferrules and cane and between cork andcane to even out the wraps in these areas. I've had trouble getting a nicesmooth transition under the wraps between cork and cane. Does anybody do this? What product and method do you use? Thanks, Bill from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 11:41:07 2002 g02Hf6W21339 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:41:06 -0600 Subject: Re: ouch I don't really know who will be there in NZ this March. I'm broke after buying a place there that I may not see again for a few years which is VERY sad and my son who wanted to go will be at Uni so he can't make it either.Ian will be there presumably and there are a few NZ based makers as well possibly others from Aust too though there are fires happening in the places these guys live and they may not have any power (or houses either ) to get on line to answer for a while. Something I've mentioned before is the exchange rate between the US and NZ is sensational from a US point of view. Last I read (day before yesterday) was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great.Once you get the price of the plane ticket out of the way you'll more than double what you bring with you AND NZ isn't an expensive place so it's not like a lot of places where although the exchange rate is low the cost of living is high.Anybody not sure but interested really should look into it. If you do go you should be aware of some things.First make sure you bring a serious rod, #5 really is the right weight or a #6 preferably if you plan on fishing no matter what the conditions. You'll feel extremely inadequatemessing around with a decent brown in fast water with anything less though it will make for nice pics.The conditions can be VERY wet and windy. Also the midges or sand flys as they're called there are terrible so make sure you bring something with deet, ideally 100%. You need a hat because the days could be very warm and the sun is very bright there especially in the hills. The ozone hole is right over the Sth Island so you fry easily there so make sure you bring both warm and cold weather clothes and a decent rain coat. Nymphing is the way to go in a lot of places, forget any pre conceived casting. You'll likely get the biggest fish that way. You do need drys and wets as well of course I'm just pointing out the need for nymphs, simple ones like GRHE and Pheasent Tail, some bead head to get good depth some not. The fish there don't appear as selective as in the US as far as I can tell.Make sure you bring lots of film. Tony At 10:42 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Ralph MacKenzie wrote: I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't dothat because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from caneman@clnk.com Wed Jan 2 11:53:30 2002 g02HrUW22221 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:53:30 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Paul Young R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who "the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes to Goodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers and starting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods that have very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 12:08:06 2002 g02I85W22926 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:08:05 -0600 02 Jan 2002 10:08:05 PST Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! i guess i will say payne or py i have used alot of pytapers but paynes will always make me weak in theknees. if we start talking about not-dead-yet:- )rodmakers what about bob nunley. i haven't met himyet but i think he's great! timothy --- "Marty D." wrote: Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I amcurious as to who "the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date.My vote goes to Goodwin Granger. He was responsible for creatingsupberb tapers and starting a company that built tens of thousands ofaffordable rods that have very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 12:19:48 2002 g02IJlW23646 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:19:47 -0600 "rod 'akers" Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Bob's quads are destined for great things. Tony At 10:08 AM 1/2/02 -0800, timothy troester wrote: i guess i will say payne or py i have used alot of pytapers but paynes will always make me weak in theknees. if we start talking about not-dead-yet:- )rodmakers what about bob nunley. i haven't met himyet but i think he's great! timothy --- "Marty D." wrote: Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I amcurious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date.My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creatingsupberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands ofaffordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 12:19:58 2002 g02IJvW23677 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:19:57 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! PHY and Dickerson I think though it depends on your local fishingrequirements. Tony At 11:51 AM 1/2/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Paul Young R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Marty D." Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:25 AMSubject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 2 12:38:20 2002 g02IcJW24735 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:38:19 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:39:31 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: ouch Tony,is that right??? Or is it $1.41??? I know Aust $ usually run prettyclose to our Canadian dollar against the #+%* US dollar. Is the NZ $ thatmuchworse??Works out pretty sweet if you are an American citizen! Vive le freetrade! Shawn Tony Young wrote: Last I read (day before yesterday)was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great. from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 2 12:40:40 2002 g02IeeW24810 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:40:40 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:41:51 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: ouch Hmmmm,perhaps I will take my wife to Lord of the Rings after all,seems like a cheap enough bribe! ;^)Shawn Ralph MacKenzie wrote: How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 12:59:46 2002 g02IxiW26045 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:59:44 -0600 Subject: Re: ouch You're right of course, I'm looking at it from the rough end of the pineapple or shitty end of the stick or how ever you want to say it.If you get to NZ with $1,000 you'll get about $NZ 2400 to spend. A hire car can be had for $NZ 45 per day.Actually the low exchange rate is a good thing in a lot of ways. I want some gear from the US from time to time and then it's a bad thing but all in all it's prob the best thing for the economy here and i NZ just now. I just remind people a high dollar isn't like a high score in football, sometimes it's the best thing and in a tourist and natural resources based economy such as we have here it's very good. If you get there make sure you go and stay at Brunner Lodge on the shore of lake Brunner. This lake has massive browns and large numbers, the lodge costs $NZ 150 per night but from your point of view that's the same as you'd pay for just a hotel room in the US while at Brunner Lodge you'll live like gentry. Tony At 02:42 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Tony,is that right??? Or is it $1.41??? I know Aust $ usually run prettyclose to our Canadian dollar against the #+%* US dollar. Is the NZ $ thatmuchworse??Works out pretty sweet if you are an American citizen! Vive le freetrade! Shawn Tony Young wrote: Last I read (day before yesterday)was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 2 13:09:36 2002 g02J9ZW26751 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:09:35 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:10:47 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Marty,hmmmm, I guess I would look at that a couple different ways....#1. If by "greatest" we were talking about the maker who had contributedthe most to the craft as a whole I would first start with many of the guysright here on the list, guys like AJ Thramer, Bob Nunley, Tom Smithwick,Tony Young, Tony Spezio, Harry Boyd, Wayne Cattanach, Chris Bogart, AlMedved, the list goes on and on right down to budding builders who sparknew and innovative ideas or make all of us rethink how and why we do thingsthe way we do.Also guys like Bob Maulucci, Ron Barch, Todd Talsma, Jerry Foster, JoeByrd, Ted Knott, Ray Gould, Wayne Cattanach, George Mauer, Harry Boyd,Andeven Mark Metcalf, for their Books/videos, articles, Web Pages, softwareand Magazines (printed and online) and through tireless effort to organizethe numerous gatherings around the world..All these people improve each and every one of us as rod builders and ashuman beings. Thank you one and all!!! (note sorry if I missed anyone, I'msure I have, the list would be huge)#2. If by "Greatest" we were talking about favorite rods, I would haveto lean to Paul H Young with Dickerson right up there, although I have asoft spot for almost every cane rod I've seen!Shawn "Marty D." wrote: Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from le_moucheux@hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 13:10:48 2002 g02JAmW26852 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:10:48 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:10:42 -0800 Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:10:42 GMT Subject: Garrison Book (Spam!!!) FILETIME=[2C84B3B0:01C193C1] Sorry for the bandwitch.I know some of you rodmakers are looking for the Everett Garrison'sbook. I have a copy that I would offer here before I put it on E-Bay. Contact me off list Thanks MikeMSN Photos is the easiest way toshare and print your photos: ClickHere from jeremy@goflyfishing.com Wed Jan 2 13:15:20 2002 g02JFKW27350 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:15:20 -0600 helo=8hkx10b) id 16Lqqz-0004I2-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:15:09 -0500 Subject: Goofy request We hosted our annual New Years Eve Party and we always setup a craps table (croupier or whatever) for the table and I came up with the idea of makinghim one of those sticks they use to scoop the dice. I took a nice stripleft over from a butt section that had been split filed and straightened.Took it to the belt sander, took the pith off and had it smoothed outnicely. I then went to put the bend in the end and tried soaking itovernight. This morning I could get it to bend about 20-30 degrees or so,but I need to put a full 90 degree bend in it. Will soaking it furthermake it more flexible? Would heat make it flexible enough? Any othersuggestions? I wonder what the market to the commercial gaming industrywould be making these little do-hickies. Thanks and sorry about theoff-topic question. Jeremy GrayNevada City AnglersNevada City, CA530-478-9301 from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 13:15:48 2002 g02JFkW27406 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:15:47 -0600 Subject: Re: ouch Very cheap I'd suggest. Good movie too. Tony At 02:44 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Hmmmm,perhaps I will take my wife to Lord of the Rings after all,seems like a cheap enough bribe! ;^)Shawn Ralph MacKenzie wrote: How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindiginNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lordofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 2 13:38:04 2002 g02Jc3W29360 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:38:04 -0600 (authenticated) Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:35:39 -0800 Rodmakers List-serv Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Shawn, How nice of you to mention me (twice!) in such wonderful company, thoughIcertainly don't deserve it. I'm greatly indebted to many of the names youmention though, and would gladly second the nominations of almost any ofthem. As for the second way of looking at things, no one has mentioned HiramLeonard yet. Greatest or not, he certainly spawned many of the greatestmakersof all time, and started all of us down this road one way or another. Thanks,Harry Shawn Pineo wrote: #1. If by "greatest" we were talking about the maker who had contributedthe most to the craft as a whole I would first start with many of the guysright here on the list-- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 13:50:11 2002 g02JoBW01510 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:50:11 -0600 02 Jan 2002 11:50:10 PST Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! e.c.powell would be a good vote. timothy ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from ttalsma@macatawa.org Wed Jan 2 14:01:22 2002 g02K1LW02475 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:01:21 -0600 id ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:54:39 -0500 id Y2QPVGVT; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:54:35 -0500 Subject: Grayrock - Camp Sites All you Grayrockians, I've finally convinced my wife that it would be a good thing for me toattend the Grayrock gathering. All of you campers out there, is there aspecific area of Hartwick Pines I should look for as far as lots to tryto reserve? Just trying to get our summer plans together. Thanks in advance.-- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from horsesho@ptd.net Wed Jan 2 15:40:59 2002 Received: from g02LewW09489 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 2002 21:40:52 -0000 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 1.938272 secs); 02 Jan 200221:40:52 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! --------------020804000403020705030102 Hi Bob, As far as living romakers I would have to list Sam Carlson as #1, T&T (either Dorsey/Maxwell or Dorsey) as #2 , and of the list members that I have seen, rods from Al Medved #3. Now I have never handled rods by AJ , Nunley or 99 % of the list so I can't judge them but I am sure they are great rods. I was never crazy about the node placement of FE Thomas rods so I feel they are a bit overated. Thier rods show a random node placement similar to Heddon. Best, Marty Bob Maulucci wrote: Uh oh, here we go. I think the greatest (really "favorite") depends on who you are, where you are, and how you fish. For me, I would say that I would break them up into several categories. Best tapers: Paul Young. Too bad the rods look like they do. (Go ahead and flame me, it's okay.) Best finish/cosmetics: T&T. Took the Payne and Leonard aesthetics to the next level. Most innovative: Lew Stoner or EC Powell. The hollow building and tapers are very out of the box. Must be a Western thing. Most talented: Lyle Dickerson. The aethetics, tapers, ferrules, machines, are all signs of a genius. Most underated: Fred and Leon Thomas. I cast that FE Thomas at the Catskills. It was everything that the Paynes and Leonard rods are all in one. The tapers from Thomas I have cast are fantastic. Second most underated would be Hardy. They get slagged for no reason. They have some great actions. But, if I could own only one, it would be a Carlson Four without any doubt in my mind. So, in my mind, SAM CARLSON wins. They are great casting, super tapers, and have the classic charm that some contemporaries miss. Just my opinion, maybe not worth that much, Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Dkenney94@cs.comSent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! That's a tough one! I love Granger, but was he really a rodmaker, or company owner? Does it make a difference? Weren't thebest Granger rods made long after his death? By Phillipson?I gotta go with Jim Payne, with a second to WesJordan(Probably the most influential of the later "Golden Age"makers)Dave --------------020804000403020705030102 Hi Bob, As far as living romakers I would have to list Sam Carlson as #1, membersthat I have seen, rods from Al Medved #3. Now I have never handled rods byAJ , Nunley or 99 % of the list so I can't judge them but I am sure theyare great rods. I was never crazy about the node placement of FE Thomasrodsso I feel they are a bit overated. Thier rods show a random node placementsimilar to Heddon. Best, Marty Bob Maulucci wrote: Uh oh, here we go. I think the greatest (really "favorite") depends on whoyou are, where you are, and how you fish. For me, I would say that I wouldbreak them up into several categories. Best tapers: Paul Young. Toobadthe rods look like they do. (Go ahead and flame me, it'sokay.) Best finish/cosmetics: T&T. Took the Payne and Leonard aesthetics tothe next level. Most innovative: Lew Stoner or EC Powell. The hollow building and tapersare very out of the box. Must be a Western thing. Most talented: Lyle Dickerson. The aethetics, tapers, ferrules, machines,are all signs of a genius. Most underated: Fred and Leon Thomas. I cast that FE Thomas at theCatskills.It was everything that the Paynes and Leonard rods are all in one. Thetapers from Thomas I have cast are fantastic. Second most underated would beHardy.They get slagged for no reason. They have some greatactions. But, if I could own only one, it would be a Carlson Four without any doubt casting, supertapers, and have the classic charm that some contemporaries miss. Just my opinion, maybe not worth that much, Bob -----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Dkenney94@cs.comSent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Granger, but was he really a rod maker, or company owner? Does it makea difference? Weren't the best Granger rods made long after his death? Jordan(Probablythe most influential of the later "Golden Age" makers) --------------020804000403020705030102-- from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 2 16:10:23 2002 g02MAMW11126 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:10:22 -0600 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi Marty:I must agree with your top three. Al's rods are beautiful looking andcasting. I will vouch for Bob Nunley and several of the others, too many toname really. They are truly masters.As far as the future goes...I hate to admit it because he has a big egoalready (just kidding) and you all know he's my good friend, but I thinkthat Joe Perrigo's rods are going to be something huge in 20 years. They areso consistently good, he builds tons of rods, and he chooses, creates, ormodifies the best tapers. If I were a collector, I would buy some of hisrods now. He will be very important, I believe. I am very pleased to workwith him and be friends with him. He is a very talented guy.Best regards,Bob-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi Bob, As far as living romakers I would have to list Sam Carlson as #1,T&T (either Dorsey/Maxwell or Dorsey) as #2 , and of the list members thatI have seen, rods from Al Medved #3. Now I have never handled rods by AJ ,Nunley or 99 % of the list so I can't judge them but I am sure they aregreat rods. Marty: with your top three. Al's rods are beautiful looking and casting. I will = truly masters. the future goes...I hate to admit it because he has a big ego already = kidding) and you all know he's my good friend, but I think that Joe = rods are going to be something huge in 20 years. They are so = he builds tons of rods, and he chooses, creates, or modifies the best = I were a collector, I would buy some of his rods now. He will be very = I believe. I am very pleased to work with him and be friends with him. = very talented guy. regards,Bob 2002 = Dkenney94@cs.com; = Rodmaker!Hi Bob, As far as living romakers I = to list Sam Carlson as #1, T&T (either Dorsey/Maxwell or Dorsey) = have never handled rods by AJ , Nunley or 99 % of the list so I can't = them but I am sure they are great rods. from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Wed Jan 2 16:32:13 2002 g02MWCW12383 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:32:12 -0600 by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:26:20 -0500 Subject: Release of Bamboo Rodmakers Database Program v3.0 Gold Hello friends: I am pleased to announce the release of BRMDP v3.0 Gold. This version hasthe long awaited TaperDataExchange(tm). I have worked out an arrangementwith Todd Talsma and Bob Maulucci to be able to post some tapers on theirwebsites as well as the one for BRMDP. I have decided to release v3.0 Gold into shareware again in hopes thatrodmakers will find the program of use. If you find it useful, then pleaseregister it to insure continued development of the program. My thanks again to the alpha and beta teams are in order. I could not dothis without your help and support. To download the program go to http://www.direct-pest.com/brmdp If you haven't downloaded v2.0 you must subscribe to out mailing list to getthe installation password. Support for the program will only be providedthrough this mailing list. There are instructions on the website forsubscribing to the mailing list. For those of you who have downloaded v2.0please email me privately at jcbyrd@direct-pest.com for the installationpassword. Enjoy the program Joe=================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bambooflyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker from dpvbkjs@somtel.com Wed Jan 2 16:52:18 2002 g02MqHW13321 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:52:18 -0600 Subject: Art of Angling Journal Listers, We're just back from a week off the List to travel, so please excuse thispost if this new journal was discussed while we were away. We recieved the premier issue/subscription to the Art of Angling Journallast week. It's a square bound, glossy quarterly. This issue had a nicearticle entitled The Rise of the Crafts by Gordon Wickstrom, which focuseson thoughts about why people like bamboo rodmakers do what they do, andthere's an article/pics on/of Daryll Whitehead. A little closer to home,there's some great photos of Carrie Stevens' flies. Just FYI... usual disclaimers.Happy New Year, David and Kathy from iank@ts.co.nz Wed Jan 2 17:09:37 2002 g02N9ZW14053 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:09:36 -0600 by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g02NBXb10468 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu.KAV; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:11:33 +1300 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:11:31 +1300 Subject: Re: Where's Danny? Jojo, Danny and his family are actually staying with us out at the beach at themoment. They had a few housing and lost luggage problems initially but havenow sort of settled into a house in Auckland and Anne, his wife starts workup there on the 15th of January. Danny equipped himself with a licenceyesterday so I took him to a spot on the Motueka river where there is alwaysa great evening rise and fish aplenty are almost certain. Danny landed one about 8" long, saw one large fish and we did not see arise. I did not see a fish! . Maybe better luck this evening on another oneof my "cannot fail " spots. Danny hopes to get equipped with a computer later in the month and be backon line soon. He has some very nice rods, certainly makes me think aboutflaming (rods that is ) in the future. Best wishes to all. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Where's Danny? Has anyone heard from our wandering Norwegian? He was to leave Norwayon the 30th of Nov, and surely he's had enough time to get to NZ, get on line, orlet someone know where the heck he is and what he's doing. He's probablydoing nothing but fishing for big Browns, taking pictures of them, withwhich he'll taunt us all into submission. M-D from richjez@enteract.com Wed Jan 2 17:16:13 2002 g02NGDW14422 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:16:13 -0600 rodmakers Subject: Re: ouch --=====================_819251==_.ALT Taking about the fires: there was an article on NPR (National Public Radio) that was saying that the fires around Sidney were started by arsonists, possible serial arsonists. They also reported a large number of people were arrested. What is going on there?Rich Jezioro At 11:46 AM 1/2/02, Tony Young wrote: I don't really know who will be there in NZ this March. I'm broke after buying a place there that I may not see again for a few years which is VERY sad and my son who wanted to go will be at Uni so he can't make iteither.Ian will be there presumably and there are a few NZ based makers as well possibly others from Aust too though there are fires happening in the places these guys live and they may not have any power (or houses either ) to get on line to answer for a while. Something I've mentioned before is the exchange rate between the US andNZ is sensational from a US point of view. Last I read (day before yesterday) was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great.Once you get the price of the plane ticket out of the way you'll more than double what you bring with you AND NZ isn't an expensive place so it's not like a lot of places where although the exchange rate is low the cost of living is high.Anybody not sure but interested really should look into it. If you do go you should be aware of some things.First make sure you bring a serious rod, #5 really is the right weight or a #6 preferably if you plan on fishing no matter what the conditions. You'll feel extremely inadequatemessing around with a decent brown in fast water with anything less though it will make for nice pics.The conditions can be VERY wet and windy. Also the midges or sand flys as they're called there are terrible so make sure you bring something with deet, ideally 100%. You need a hat because the days could be very warm and the sun is very bright there especially in the hills. The ozone hole is right over the Sth Island so you fry easily there so make sure you bring both warm and cold weather clothes and a decent rain coat. Nymphing is the way to go in a lot of places, forget any pre conceived casting. You'll likely get the biggest fish that way. You do need drys and wets as well of course I'm just pointing out the need for nymphs, simple ones like GRHE and Pheasent Tail, some bead head to get good depth some not. The fish there don't appear as selective as in the US as far as I can tell.Make sure you bring lots of film. Tony At 10:42 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Ralph MacKenzie wrote: I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't dothat because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ --=====================_819251==_.ALT Taking about the fires: there was an article on NPR(National Public Radio) that was saying that the fires around Sidney werestarted by arsonists, possible serial arsonists. They also reported alarge number of people were arrested. What is going on there?Rich Jezioro At 11:46 AM 1/2/02, Tony Young wrote:I don't really know who will be there in NZthis March. I'm broke after buying a place there that I may not see again Uni so he can't make it either.Ian will be there presumably and there are a few NZ based makers as wellpossibly others from Aust too though there are fires happening in theplaces these guys live and they may not have any power (or houses either) to get on line to answer for a while. Something I've mentioned before is the exchange rate between the US andNZ is sensational from a US point of view. Last I read (day beforeyesterday) was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great.Once you get the price of the plane ticket out of the way you'll morethan double what you bring with you AND NZ isn't an expensive place soit's not like a lot of places where although the exchange rate is low thecost of living is high.Anybody not sure but interested really should look into it. If you do go you should be aware of some things.First make sure you bring a serious rod, #5 really is the right weight ora #6 preferably if you plan on fishing no matter what the conditions.You'll feel extremely inadequatemessing around with a decent brown in fast water with anything lessthough it will make for nice pics.The conditions can be VERY wet and windy. Also the midges or sand flys as they're called there are terrible so makesure you bring something with deet, ideally 100%. You need a hat because the days could be very warm and the sun is verybright there especially in the hills. The ozone hole is right over theSth Island so you fry easily there so make sure you bring both warm andcold weather clothes and a decent rain coat. Nymphing is the way to go in a lot of places, forget any pre conceived casting. You'll likely get the biggest fish that way. You do need drysand wets as well of course I'm just pointing out the need for nymphs,simple ones like GRHE and Pheasent Tail, some bead head to get good depthsome not. The fish there don't appear as selective as in the US as far asI can tell.Make sure you bring lots of film. Tony At 10:42 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Ralph MacKenzie wrote:I just found out I got bumped off the listsometime in the last day orso. :-( First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australia Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn'tdo me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindigin of SWMBO quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" foryou. mac/*************************************************************************/AV Young www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ --=====================_819251==_.ALT-- from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 2 17:31:42 2002 g02NVfW14990 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:31:41 -0600 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! Dear Shawn:I am flattered to get mentioned for contributing to the craft in any way. Iwill say that it is really the guys who contribute to the mag that make ithappen, and Jeff W. and Russ G. and the guys who have backed Power Fibers from the start.As far as the other guys you mentioned, I am trying hard to work throughthat list and meet every one of them personally. The guys who I have meetare without peer. They are fantastic gentlemen and master builders.And while I will never be the next Dickerson, or the best guitarist on theblock (my other love), I think that what you wrote about becoming betterhuman beings is a definite goal worth pursuing. I look at flyfishing androdmaking as a way to practice peace, and a way to deal with the stresses ofmodern living. It's no wonder that we are carrying on a tradition that goesback 100-150 years. I bet that life was a bit less hectic then. Maybe thatis what we are all grasping at.Thanks again,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Marty,hmmmm, I guess I would look at that a couple different ways....#1. If by "greatest" we were talking about the maker who had contributedthe most to the craft as a whole I would first start with many of the guysright here on the list, guys like AJ Thramer, Bob Nunley, Tom Smithwick,Tony Young, Tony Spezio, Harry Boyd, Wayne Cattanach, Chris Bogart, AlMedved, the list goes on and on right down to budding builders who sparknew and innovative ideas or make all of us rethink how and why we do thingsthe way we do.Also guys like Bob Maulucci, Ron Barch, Todd Talsma, Jerry Foster, JoeByrd, Ted Knott, Ray Gould, Wayne Cattanach, George Mauer, Harry Boyd,Andeven Mark Metcalf, for their Books/videos, articles, Web Pages, softwareand Magazines (printed and online) and through tireless effort to organizethe numerous gatherings around the world..All these people improve each and every one of us as rod builders and ashuman beings. Thank you one and all!!! (note sorry if I missed anyone, I'msure I have, the list would be huge)#2. If by "Greatest" we were talking about favorite rods, I would haveto lean to Paul H Young with Dickerson right up there, although I have asoft spot for almost every cane rod I've seen!Shawn from jbbamboo@hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 17:32:27 2002 g02NWRW15121 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:32:27 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:32:21 -0800 Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:32:21 GMT Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! FILETIME=[B9C0F8F0:01C193E5] To the list:My vote for the best tapers goes to Dickerson. As to who's built the highest quality rods, Al Medved and Tom Moran. From: "Marty D." Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker!Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:25:25 -0500 Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from iank@ts.co.nz Wed Jan 2 17:41:53 2002 g02NfpW15675 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:41:51 -0600 by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g02Nho015396 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:43:50+1300 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:43:48 +1300 Subject: Re: ouch - Real Southern rodmakers gathering Mac and others, I have just come home to do a few jobs and check the email so saw thisquestion a little late. The real Southern rodmakers gathering is coming together well. We have atleast 3 attending from the USA, and that was before "the Lord of the Rings "came out. There are a couple from Australia, someone has to check onTony'sblock of land next to the Buller river to make sure it is not washed away.There will be 3 or 4 from New Zealand , Danny from Norway , and maybe oneother Dutch rodmaker. It is not too late to attend and as Tony has pointed out it is very cheaponce you get here with about $2.40 (NZ) for the US Dollar. Also food andaccommodation is fairly cheap here. Danny and I did the shopping yesterdayand got a dozen cans of beer and 3 bottles of wine for less then $40 NZ. The program at this point of time is as follows:Friday evening , 8th March - BBQ and get together at Ian's placeSaturday morning , 9th March - some techniques.- splitting- binders including Tom Smithfield's eazy binder, Marty's simple binder,Milward binder- heat gun ovens Saturday afternoon- trying some rods , participants and some old rods including aselection of Hardy, Walker Brampton, and 1862 drop ring Farlow, a 1910steelcentred 15' Edgar Sealy with over 750 intermediate bindings( actually quitenice to cast but redefines "slow action")- making ferrules from tube Saturday evening- BBQ - Kina beach ( where some of the participants are staying) , TonyEntwhistle , a well known local fishing guide will be there to advise onlocal fishing conditions for those intending to put in a few days fishinglocally. Sunday morning ( probably a late start)- making guides- binding guides and using silk etc. Sunday afternoon- whatever is of interest to attendees Sunday evening- BBQ at Ian's place. Anyone who is interested in details or NZ information can contact me. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Subject: ouch I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't dothat because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from Callum.Ross@macquarie.com Wed Jan 2 17:48:00 2002 g02NlwW15973 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:47:59 -0600 g02NjEn20305 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:45:15 +1100 g02Nli324436 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:47:44 +1100 NT_SYD_MS02.macbank ;Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:46:34 +1100 id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:46:34 +1100 rodmakers Subject: RE: ouch (off topic) this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Sydney can be pretty warm but for the last week or two it has been veryhot, very dry and unfortunately very windy. The fires started on Christmaseve and have been fanned by the high winds. There are fires to the north,west and south of the region as well as some in the suburbs to the north ofthe harbour. About 150 houses have been lost. I live in the Blue Mountains to the west of Sydney (basically one big nationalpark surrounding residential areas) and we have been on evacuation notice wind direction is holding them at bay. I took a couple of days off work just incase and after getting the hoses ready and the buckets filled I ended upworking on rods while waiting for the fire! While a couple of the fires were started by lightning strikes it seems theweather and the smell of smoke brings out the idiots. A lot of the fires thatdestroyed homes were lit by arsonists and most of the arrests seem to beof juveniles out for some fun. There are reports of one guy lightingnumerous fires around my area. I am a bit of a lurker on the list and now my longest post is not about rods!! Callum. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: ouch Taking about the fires: there was an article on NPR (National Public Radio)that was saying that the fires around Sidney were started by arsonists,possible serial arsonists. They also reported a large number of people werearrested. What is going on there?Rich Jezioro At 11:46 AM 1/2/02, Tony Young wrote: I don't really know who will be there in NZ this March. I'm broke after buying aplace there that I may not see again for a few years which is VERY sad andmy son who wanted to go will be at Uni so he can't make it either.Ian will be there presumably and there are a few NZ based makers as wellpossibly others from Aust too though there are fires happening in the placesthese guys live and they may not have any power (or houses either ) to geton line to answer for a while. Something I've mentioned before is the exchange rate between the US and NZis sensational from a US point of view. Last I read (day before yesterday)was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great.Once you get the price of the plane ticket out of the way you'll more thandouble what you bring with you AND NZ isn't an expensive place so it's not likea lot of places where although the exchange rate is low the cost of living ishigh.Anybody not sure but interested really should look into it. If you do go you should be aware of some things.First make sure you bring a serious rod, #5 really is the right weight or a #6preferably if you plan on fishing no matter what the conditions. You'll feelextremely inadequatemessing around with a decent brown in fast water with anything less thoughit will make for nice pics.The conditions can be VERY wet and windy. Also the midges or sand flys as they're called there are terrible so makesure you bring something with deet, ideally 100%. You need a hat because the days could be very warm and the sun is verybright there especially in the hills. The ozone hole is right over the Sth Islandso you fry easily there so make sure you bring both warm and cold weatherclothes and a decent rain coat. Nymphing is the way to go in a lot of places, forget any pre conceived ideasabout nymphing because this isn't short line BS it's upstream casting. You'lllikely get the biggest fish that way. You do need drys and wets as well ofcourse I'm just pointing out the need for nymphs, simple ones like GRHE andPheasent Tail, some bead head to get good depth some not. The fish theredon't appear as selective as in the US as far as I can tell.Make sure you bring lots of film. Tony At 10:42 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Ralph MacKenzie wrote: I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't dothat because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig inNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord ofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.htmlFirst snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ NOTICEThis e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyrightmaterial of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intendedrecipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act inreliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies ofthem. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or anyattached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own andmay not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. Sydney can be pretty warm but for the last week or two it has been very hot, verydry and unfortunately very windy. The fires started on Christmas eve and havebeen fanned by the high winds. There are fires to the north, west and south of the region as well as some in the suburbs to the north of the 150 houses have been lost. I live in the Blue Mountains to the west of Sydney (basically one big national park surrounding residential areas) and we have been on evacuation notice forabout direction is holding them at bay. I took a couple of days off work just in case and after getting the hoses ready and the buckets filled I ended up workingon rods while waiting for the fire! While a couple of the fires were started by lightning strikes it seems the weatherand the smell of smoke brings out the idiots. A lot of the fires that destroyed homes were lit by arsonists and most of the arrests seem to be of juvenilesout my area. I am a bit of a lurker on the list and now my longest post is not about rods!! Callum. From: Rich Jezioro rodmakersSubject: Re: ouchTaking about the fires: there was anarticle on NPR (National Public Radio) that was saying that the fires around Sidney were started by arsonists, possible serial arsonists. They also reported a large number of people were arrested. What is going on there?Rich JezioroAt 11:46 AM 1/2/02, Tony Young wrote:I don't really know who will be there in NZ this March. I'm broke after buying a place there that I may not see again Uni so he can't make it either.Ian will be there presumably and there area few NZ based makers as well possibly others from Aust too though thereare fires happening in the places these guys live and they may not have any power (or houses either ) to get on line to answer for a while.Something I've mentioned before is the exchange ratebetween the US and NZ is sensational from a US point of view. Last I read (day before yesterday) was the conversionis $1 US = $ .41c NZ. That's great.Once you get the price of the plane ticket out of the way you'll more than double what you bring with you AND NZ isn't an expensive placeso it's not like a lot of places where although the exchange rate is low the cost of living is high.Anybody not sure but interested really should look into it.If you do go you should be aware of some things.First make sure you bring a serious rod, #5 really is the right weight or a #6 preferably if you plan on fishing no matter what the conditions. You'll feel extremely inadequatemessing around with adecent brown in fast water with anything less though it will make for nice pics.The conditions can be VERY wet and windy.Also themidges or sand flys as they're called there are terrible so make sure you bring something with deet, ideally 100%.You need a hat because thedays could be very warm and the sun is very bright there especially in the hills. The ozone hole is right over the Sth Island so you fry easily there so make sure you bring both warm and cold weather clothes and a decent rain coat.Nymphing is the way to go in a lot of places, forget any pre conceived ideas about nymphing because this isn't short line BS it's upstream casting. You'll likely get the biggest fish that way. You do need drys and wets as well of course I'm just pointing out the need for nymphs, simple ones like GRHE and Pheasent Tail, some bead head to get gooddepth some not. The fish there don't appear as selective as in the US as far as I can tell.Make sure you bring lots of film.TonyAt10:42 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Ralph MacKenzie wrote:I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. :-(First clue was nomessages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't dothat because I last to know....How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Slim filmed Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but atleast *one* hurdle has been taken care of!Happy New Year toeveryone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you.mac/*************************************************************************/AV snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully.Unknown/*************************************************************************/ NOTICEThis e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyrightmaterial of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intendedrecipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act inreliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies ofthem. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or anyattached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own andmay not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. from rodwrapp@swbell.net Wed Jan 2 18:56:31 2002 g030uVW17774 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:56:31 -0600 (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) Subject: List Whats the URL to sign up for this List??? Thanks Dave----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: ouch - Real Southern rodmakers gathering Mac and others, I have just come home to do a few jobs and check the email so saw thisquestion a little late. The real Southern rodmakers gathering is coming together well. We have atleast 3 attending from the USA, and that was before "the Lord of theRings " came out. There are a couple from Australia, someone has to check on Tony's block of land next to the Buller river to make sure it is not washed away.There will be 3 or 4 from New Zealand , Danny from Norway , and maybeoneother Dutch rodmaker. It is not too late to attend and as Tony has pointed out it is very cheaponce you get here with about $2.40 (NZ) for the US Dollar. Also food andaccommodation is fairly cheap here. Danny and I did the shopping yesterday and got a dozen cans of beer and 3 bottles of wine for less then $40 NZ. The program at this point of time is as follows:Friday evening , 8th March - BBQ and get together at Ian's placeSaturday morning , 9th March - some techniques.- splitting- binders including Tom Smithfield's eazy binder, Marty's simple binder, Milward binder- heat gun ovens Saturday afternoon- trying some rods , participants and some old rods including aselection of Hardy, Walker Brampton, and 1862 drop ring Farlow, a 1910 steel centred 15' Edgar Sealy with over 750 intermediate bindings( actually quite nice to cast but redefines "slow action")- making ferrules from tube Saturday evening- BBQ - Kina beach ( where some of the participants are staying) , Tony Entwhistle , a well known local fishing guide will be there to advise onlocal fishing conditions for those intending to put in a few days fishinglocally. Sunday morning ( probably a late start)- making guides- binding guides and using silk etc. Sunday afternoon- whatever is of interest to attendees Sunday evening- BBQ at Ian's place. Anyone who is interested in details or NZ information can contact me. Ian ----- Original Message -----From: "Ralph MacKenzie" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:42 AMSubject: ouch I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't dothat because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindiginNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lordofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite thesame thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Wed Jan 2 19:03:48 2002 g0313mW18091 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:03:48 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! horsesho@ptd.net.rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Bob,Wow, thanks for the compliment. I hope I'm still here in 20 years. Joseph A. Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com5733 Griffith Rd.Portageville,NY 14536716-493-2637 from channer@frontier.net Wed Jan 2 19:11:07 2002 g031B6W18414 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:11:06 -0600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:11:08 -0700 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Marty;Re-read your history book, I think you will find that Bill Phillipsonhad more to do with Granger rods than ole Goodwin ever did. I don't meanto rain on your parade, but I think this is a contest with no singlewinner. A fly rod is a very personal thing and so many have oneparticular maker who's work fits them so perfectly. To judge by numbersof high quality rods alone, then Heddon(rodmaker Bernard Hills) wouldhave to win. By current price tags, then it would be Garrison followed "Greatest". Or perhaps Jim Payne, for lifelong dedication to making thevery best rods he could, whether he went broke doing it or not. Perhapsit was Leonard, for starting the whole thing in the first place and forsetting the standard the rest of the industry had to live up to for somany years? Sheer volume?, I guess you wouldn't call H-I the "Greatest",but they probably put more rods in the hands of fishermen than any othercompany, except for maybe Montague. And I haven't even gotten around toDickerson, Young, Thomas, Edwards, Carlson, Maxwell, Powell, Winston,and a host of others, all of whom have their devotees. I say "God BlessEm,one and all" for providing all of us with so many hours of enjoymentboth on and off stream.Of course, the one true winner is "me!", I just haven't gotten therecognition I so richly deserve yet. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! john(already a legend in his own mind) "Marty D." wrote: Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from TSmithwick@aol.com Wed Jan 2 19:49:53 2002 g031nqW19186 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:49:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Induction Motor In a message dated 1/2/2 10:12:29 AM, petermckean@netspace.net.auwrites: from jojo@ipa.net Wed Jan 2 19:54:09 2002 g031s9W19447 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:54:09 -0600 helo=default) id 16Lx51-0007mu-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:54:04 -0500 Subject: Re: List Dave, The URL for the site is www.canerod.com/rodmakers but the Listproc isListproc@wugate.wustl.eduTo subscribe put SUBSCRIBE RODMAKERS in the body of the message. Tounsubscribe put UNSUB RODMAKERS in the body. To postpone deliverywithoutunsubscribing, SET RODMAKERS MAIL POSTPONE, to get mail delivered asnormalSET RODMAKERS MAIL ACK. To get mail in the form of a daily digest, SETRODMAKERS MAIL DIGEST. To return it to normal, SET RODMAKERS MAIL ACK. Did that answer your question? M-D ----- Original Message ----- Subject: List Whats the URL to sign up for this List??? Thanks Dave----- Original Message -----From: "Ian Kearney" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:28 PMSubject: Re: ouch - Real Southern rodmakers gathering Mac and others, I have just come home to do a few jobs and check the email so saw thisquestion a little late. The real Southern rodmakers gathering is coming together well. We have at least 3 attending from the USA, and that was before "the Lord of the Rings " came out. There are a couple from Australia, someone has to check on Tony's block of land next to the Buller river to make sure it is not washed away. There will be 3 or 4 from New Zealand , Danny from Norway , and maybe one other Dutch rodmaker. It is not too late to attend and as Tony has pointed out it is very cheap once you get here with about $2.40 (NZ) for the US Dollar. Also food andaccommodation is fairly cheap here. Danny and I did the shopping yesterday and got a dozen cans of beer and 3 bottles of wine for less then $40 NZ. The program at this point of time is as follows:Friday evening , 8th March - BBQ and get together at Ian's placeSaturday morning , 9th March - some techniques.- splitting- binders including Tom Smithfield's eazy binder, Marty's simple binder, Milward binder- heat gun ovens Saturday afternoon- trying some rods , participants and some old rods including aselection of Hardy, Walker Brampton, and 1862 drop ring Farlow, a 1910 steel centred 15' Edgar Sealy with over 750 intermediate bindings( actually quite nice to cast but redefines "slow action")- making ferrules from tube Saturday evening- BBQ - Kina beach ( where some of the participants are staying) , Tony Entwhistle , a well known local fishing guide will be there to advise onlocal fishing conditions for those intending to put in a few days fishing locally. Sunday morning ( probably a late start)- making guides- binding guides and using silk etc. Sunday afternoon- whatever is of interest to attendees Sunday evening- BBQ at Ian's place. Anyone who is interested in details or NZ information can contact me. Ian ----- Original Message -----From: "Ralph MacKenzie" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:42 AMSubject: ouch I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day orso. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australianote was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when Iwent to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't do that because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindiginNZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lordofthe Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBOis also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite the same thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 2 20:17:16 2002 g032HFW20217 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:17:15 -0600 (authenticated) Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:16:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Induction Motor Tom, I agree, 100%. Best thing that ever happened to my rodmaking. Harry TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: If you want to spend a lot of time sharpening, who am I to argue? But forothers, who don't want to spend a lot of time and money on sharpeningsystemsthe leather wheel is by far the best solution. I can sharpen a blade to ourstandards in about 30 seconds. I don't know of any other way that can bedone. -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from jojo@ipa.net Wed Jan 2 20:31:28 2002 g032VSW20634 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:31:28 -0600 helo=default) id 16Lxf7-0008GL-00; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:31:22 -0500 Subject: Re: List Oh, well . . . then . . . never mind. M-D ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: List JoJo,I think he is talking about the N.Z. Gathering web site.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jojo DeLancier wrote: Dave, The URL for the site is www.canerod.com/rodmakers but the Listproc isListproc@wugate.wustl.eduTo subscribe put SUBSCRIBE RODMAKERS in the body of the message. Tounsubscribe put UNSUB RODMAKERS in the body. To postpone delivery without unsubscribing, SET RODMAKERS MAIL POSTPONE, to get mail delivered as normal SET RODMAKERS MAIL ACK. To get mail in the form of a daily digest, SETRODMAKERS MAIL DIGEST. To return it to normal, SET RODMAKERS MAILACK. Did that answer your question? M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Davesrods" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:53 PMSubject: List Whats the URL to sign up for this List??? Thanks Dave----- Original Message -----From: "Ian Kearney" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:28 PMSubject: Re: ouch - Real Southern rodmakers gathering Mac and others, I have just come home to do a few jobs and check the email so saw this question a little late. The real Southern rodmakers gathering is coming together well. We have at least 3 attending from the USA, and that was before "the Lord ofthe Rings " came out. There are a couple from Australia, someone has to checkon Tony's block of land next to the Buller river to make sure it is not washed away. There will be 3 or 4 from New Zealand , Danny from Norway , and maybe one other Dutch rodmaker. It is not too late to attend and as Tony has pointed out it is very cheap once you get here with about $2.40 (NZ) for the US Dollar. Also food and accommodation is fairly cheap here. Danny and I did the shopping yesterday and got a dozen cans of beer and 3 bottles of wine for less then $40 NZ. The program at this point of time is as follows:Friday evening , 8th March - BBQ and get together at Ian's placeSaturday morning , 9th March - some techniques.- splitting- binders including Tom Smithfield's eazy binder, Marty's simple binder, Milward binder- heat gun ovens Saturday afternoon- trying some rods , participants and some old rods including aselection of Hardy, Walker Brampton, and 1862 drop ring Farlow, a 1910 steel centred 15' Edgar Sealy with over 750 intermediate bindings( actually quite nice to cast but redefines "slow action")- making ferrules from tube Saturday evening- BBQ - Kina beach ( where some of the participants are staying) , Tony Entwhistle , a well known local fishing guide will be there to advise on local fishing conditions for those intending to put in a few days fishing locally. Sunday morning ( probably a late start)- making guides- binding guides and using silk etc. Sunday afternoon- whatever is of interest to attendees Sunday evening- BBQ at Ian's place. Anyone who is interested in details or NZ information can contact me. Ian ----- Original Message -----From: "Ralph MacKenzie" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:42 AMSubject: ouch I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day or so. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australia note was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when I went to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't do that because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me.Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig in NZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went to see Lord of the Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBO is also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite the same thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from lblan@provide.net Wed Jan 2 21:17:30 2002 g033HTW21453 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:17:29 -0600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:17:28 -0500 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of the outcome of the survey.AsI look through the list of names mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't take exception to any of thenames mentioned, but read back over them and figure out where a BobSummersor a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatest at each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant todiminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks who havebeen doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest ofus, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due tothe efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from jojo@ipa.net Wed Jan 2 21:25:20 2002 g033PJW21889 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:25:19 -0600 helo=default) id 16LyVJ-00003K-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:25:18 -0500 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Let's see, Wayne helped Harry, Harry helped me, Wayne also helped me, somyhand is up. M-D Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant to diminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks who have been doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest of us, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due to the efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan from jbbamboo@hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 21:37:47 2002 g033bkW22330 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:37:46 -0600 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:37:29 -0800 Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:37:28 GMT Subject: Adam Vigal FILETIME=[F834B410:01C19407] Does anyone have the e-mailaddress for Adam Vigal? FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. from channer@frontier.net Wed Jan 2 21:48:04 2002 g033m0W22774 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:48:04 -0600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:48:09 -0700 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Aye! Wayne's (and Claude Krieder'sbook)book was the one that convincedme this was do-able. If I had only read Garrison, I probably wouldn'thave gone on with it.john Larry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of the outcome of the survey.AsI look through the list of names mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't take exception to any of thenames mentioned, but read back over them and figure out where a BobSummersor a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatest at each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant todiminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks whohavebeen doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest ofus, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due tothe efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from flytyr@southshore.com Wed Jan 2 21:48:10 2002 g033m9W22808 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:48:09 -0600 g033ltM04550 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:47:56 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Count me in.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Larry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of the outcome of the survey.AsI look through the list of names mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't take exception to any of thenames mentioned, but read back over them and figure out where a BobSummersor a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatest at each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant todiminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks whohavebeen doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest ofus, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due tothe efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from martinrjensen@attbi.com Wed Jan 2 22:01:55 2002 g0341sW23444 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:01:54 -0600 ;Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:01:44 +0000 Subject: RE: Myster Rod Help Organization: wish I had some I bet it is a Montague. I thought HI but I am now thinhking Montague Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- KyleDruey@aol.com Subject: Re: Myster Rod Help Thanks to all who replied. Still don't know for sure what it is butconsensus seems to have narrowed it down to either an H-I, Chubb, orMontague. I don't really have an interst in the rod, contact me offlist if anyone does, otherwise I may just take it to ebay. Kyle In a message dated Mon, 31 Dec 2001 9:25:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,Kyle Druey writes: List, I need help in identifying a rod that I dug out of the attic this weekend. This is truly "Grandpas fly rod found at a garage sale". This rod was acquired from a widow who lived down the street from mewhen I was a kid. I used to mow lawns for her. One day I saw thisbamboo rod sitting in the corner of the garage and she let me have it.Didn't know how to fly fish much back them, I was more in to sluggingcrank baits and spinner baits for bass. The rod somehow survived allthese years, fortunately I had placed it in a PVC tube/case, and itlooks to be in decent condition. The rod is 8' 6", 3 piece, 2 tips. No markings on it to identify the manufacturer. All fittings are brass, including a brass cap and ring reel seat, winding check, ferrules, and tip top. No guides are onthe rod except the stripper which looks to be chrome plated brass, seemsas if the owner was in the middle of refurbishing this rod. Theferrules and reel seat are pinned. Wraps are black (or could be a darknavy) and the rod is very thinly coated with varnish. Small black wrapsare located very 2.5" along the butt section. The guides are missing onthe mid and tip sections, but I can see where these thread rings werewrapped every 2.5" on all sections. The wrap at the winding check ismaroon/gold/maroon. It has a swelled but that is approximatelyoversized by about 0.100 inches. The handle a cork slender cigar style,and is dark brown either from age or some type of finish. There is nodiscernable node pattern, they are grouped and placed seemingly atrandom. !Here are some links to two pictures: Picture of the grip, reel seat, and male ferrules: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/MR1.jpg Picture of the female ferrule ends, and shows the wrap wrings on the butt section, butt were also wrapped on the mid and tip sections: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/mr2.jpg Here is the Garrison curve for the heavy tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip1.jpg The Garrison curve for the light tip: http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip2.jpg Here's the flat to flat dimensions: Heavy LightStation Tip Tip 0 0.070 0.0681 0.070 0.0685 0.090 0.08210 0.104 0.10215 0.118 0.11620 0.132 0.13125 0.144 0.13930 0.154 0.15135 0.15840 0.16845 0.17850 0.18855 0.20060 0.21165 0.21770 0.23275 0.23980 0.24985 0.26390 0.29895 0.302100 0.302102 0.302 Not sure what I have here, but the stress curves sure look interesting. Thanks again everyone for any insights you can share on this. Kyle from SBDunn@aol.com Wed Jan 2 22:06:53 2002 g0346qW23715 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:06:52 -0600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:06:43 -0500 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Plenty of people have contributed greatly to the bamboo craft, but the list can't get very long without including Ralph Moon and his FFF efforts. Regards, Steve. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 22:24:43 2002 g034OfW24265 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:24:41 -0600 "rodmakers" Subject: Re: ouch - Real Southern rodmakers gathering The real Southern rodmakers gathering is coming together well. We have atleast 3 attending from the USA, and that was before "the Lord of the Rings"came out. There are a couple from Australia, someone has to check onTony'sblock of land next to the Buller river to make sure it is not washed away.There will be 3 or 4 from New Zealand , Danny from Norway , and maybe oneother Dutch rodmaker. I may make it there possibly but in any event anybody wanting to camp (there are no buildings there) on the place on the Buller River or "The Willows" as we've taken to calling it are welcome to. It's very central to a lot of great spots so a good central base. It's more of less in the middle of Lakes Brunner and Rotoiti with a lot of streams and rivers in between.If you do stay there make sure you shut the gate. You will need a tent though and I do ask you not to "interfere" with the cattle there [:-)] It is not too late to attend and as Tony has pointed out it is very cheaponce you get here with about $2.40 (NZ) for the US Dollar. Also food andaccommodation is fairly cheap here. Danny and I did the shopping yesterdayand got a dozen cans of beer and 3 bottles of wine for less then $40 NZ. Keep in mind Monteths Dark could be considered as liquid bread, so you could live on it if you had to [:-)] Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 22:34:27 2002 g034YQW24609 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:34:26 -0600 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! I have thought long and hard as to why people generally aren't called supremo masters while still alive and I've concluded it's because while they are alive too many people are hesitant to give credit where it's due PC and lack of background knowledge prevents me relating to specifics but WC has definitely done a lot if not yeoman service to the rodmaking community by making what was made out to be a black art into somethingmore like a craft. Without his contributions the degree of interest may well have never been, so all the other books, workshops etc may have not happened either.Again, it's a case of nothing being proved by a negative but I tend to think Wayne should be regarded as a significant maker in many ways. I still vote for PHY and Dickerson overall though. Tony At 10:21 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Larry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of the outcome of the survey.AsI look through the list of names mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't take exception to any of thenames mentioned, but read back over them and figure out where a BobSummersor a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatest at each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant todiminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks whohavebeen doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest ofus, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due tothe efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from rodwrapp@swbell.net Wed Jan 2 22:41:52 2002 g034fpW24917 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:41:51 -0600 (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) Subject: Re: List I got an Email from a Guy in Arizona and he wants help building Bamboo rods,and I couldnt remember how I found this list.. Hope to seem him soon..Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: List Oh, well . . . then . . . never mind. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Spezio" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:12 PMSubject: Re: List JoJo,I think he is talking about the N.Z. Gathering web site.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jojo DeLancier wrote: Dave, The URL for the site is www.canerod.com/rodmakers but the ListprocisListproc@wugate.wustl.eduTo subscribe put SUBSCRIBE RODMAKERS in the body of the message.Tounsubscribe put UNSUB RODMAKERS in the body. To postpone delivery without unsubscribing, SET RODMAKERS MAIL POSTPONE, to get mail deliveredas normal SET RODMAKERS MAIL ACK. To get mail in the form of a daily digest,SETRODMAKERS MAIL DIGEST. To return it to normal, SET RODMAKERS MAILACK. Did that answer your question? M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Davesrods" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:53 PMSubject: List Whats the URL to sign up for this List??? Thanks Dave----- Original Message -----From: "Ian Kearney" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:28 PMSubject: Re: ouch - Real Southern rodmakers gathering Mac and others, I have just come home to do a few jobs and check the email so saw this question a little late. The real Southern rodmakers gathering is coming together well. We have at least 3 attending from the USA, and that was before "the Lord of the Rings " came out. There are a couple from Australia, someone has tocheck on Tony's block of land next to the Buller river to make sure it is not washed away. There will be 3 or 4 from New Zealand , Danny from Norway , and maybe one other Dutch rodmaker. It is not too late to attend and as Tony has pointed out it is very cheap once you get here with about $2.40 (NZ) for the US Dollar. Also food and accommodation is fairly cheap here. Danny and I did the shopping yesterday and got a dozen cans of beer and 3 bottles of wine for less then $40 NZ. The program at this point of time is as follows:Friday evening , 8th March - BBQ and get together at Ian's placeSaturday morning , 9th March - some techniques.- splitting- binders including Tom Smithfield's eazy binder, Marty's simple binder, Milward binder- heat gun ovens Saturday afternoon- trying some rods , participants and some old rods including a selection of Hardy, Walker Brampton, and 1862 drop ring Farlow, a 1910 steel centred 15' Edgar Sealy with over 750 intermediate bindings( actually quite nice to cast but redefines "slow action")- making ferrules from tube Saturday evening- BBQ - Kina beach ( where some of the participants are staying) , Tony Entwhistle , a well known local fishing guide will be there to advise on local fishing conditions for those intending to put in a few days fishing locally. Sunday morning ( probably a late start)- making guides- binding guides and using silk etc. Sunday afternoon- whatever is of interest to attendees Sunday evening- BBQ at Ian's place. Anyone who is interested in details or NZ information can contact me. Ian ----- Original Message -----From: "Ralph MacKenzie" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:42 AMSubject: ouch I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day or so. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australia note was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when I went to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't do that because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me. Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay Southern Rodmakers shindig in NZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went tosee Lord of the Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBO is also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite the same thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 22:47:37 2002 g034lZW25173 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:47:36 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Carmichael's book about Garrison was the one I was referring to when I wrote rodmaking was considered a black art by many and the myth was perpetuated in this book.It's a great book and belongs on every shelf but you need to read his book while sitting in the middle of a pentagram and I don't mean rod. [;-)] You can only approach the math with the aid of a ouiji board. I know, I've been there and it was a dark and scary place indeed. [:-)] Tony At 08:50 PM 1/2/02 -0700, channer wrote: Aye! Wayne's (and Claude Krieder'sbook)book was the one that convincedme this was do-able. If I had only read Garrison, I probably wouldn'thave gone on with it.john /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from b2g@jps.net Wed Jan 2 22:47:54 2002 g034lrW25260 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:47:53 -0600 helo=default) id 16LznA-0002lu-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:47:49 -0800 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! Count my hand as a half. I learned about this art from George Maurer's bookand started from there. The list was the next big help. But Tony Speziowas a great support to get through the first couple of rods and I considerhim to be the back bone for a lot of great information and ideas. It wasn'tuntil later I viewed the video of Wayne C. and reviewed his book. So count me as a half through Tony. Robert H. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Count me in.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Larry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of the outcome of the survey. As I look through the list of names mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't take exception to any of the names mentioned, but read back over them and figure out where a Bob Summers or a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatest at each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant to diminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks who have been doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest of us, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due to the efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from jojo@ipa.net Wed Jan 2 22:51:26 2002 g034pQW25595 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:51:26 -0600 helo=default) id 16Lzqd-0007ZH-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:51:24 -0500 Subject: Re: List Oh, well . . . then . . . you're welcome, Dave. Tony, phhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttttttt. >8^? Raspberries! (Just kidding.) M-D ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: List I got an Email from a Guy in Arizona and he wants help building Bamboo rods, and I couldnt remember how I found this list.. Hope to seem him soon..Thanks Dave ----- Original Message -----From: "Jojo DeLancier" Cc: "Rodmakers discussion group" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:24 PMSubject: Re: List Oh, well . . . then . . . never mind. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Spezio" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:12 PMSubject: Re: List JoJo,I think he is talking about the N.Z. Gathering web site.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jojo DeLancier wrote: Dave, The URL for the site is www.canerod.com/rodmakers but theListproc is Listproc@wugate.wustl.eduTo subscribe put SUBSCRIBE RODMAKERS in the body of the message.Tounsubscribe put UNSUB RODMAKERS in the body. To postpone delivery without unsubscribing, SET RODMAKERS MAIL POSTPONE, to get mail deliveredas normal SET RODMAKERS MAIL ACK. To get mail in the form of a daily digest, SET RODMAKERS MAIL DIGEST. To return it to normal, SET RODMAKERSMAIL ACK. Did that answer your question? M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Davesrods" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:53 PMSubject: List Whats the URL to sign up for this List??? Thanks Dave----- Original Message -----From: "Ian Kearney" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:28 PMSubject: Re: ouch - Real Southern rodmakers gathering Mac and others, I have just come home to do a few jobs and check the email so saw this question a little late. The real Southern rodmakers gathering is coming together well. We have at least 3 attending from the USA, and that was before "the Lordof the Rings " came out. There are a couple from Australia, someone has to check on Tony's block of land next to the Buller river to make sure it is not washed away. There will be 3 or 4 from New Zealand , Danny from Norway , and maybe one other Dutch rodmaker. It is not too late to attend and as Tony has pointed out it is very cheap once you get here with about $2.40 (NZ) for the US Dollar. Also food and accommodation is fairly cheap here. Danny and I did the shopping yesterday and got a dozen cans of beer and 3 bottles of wine for less then $40 NZ. The program at this point of time is as follows:Friday evening , 8th March - BBQ and get together at Ian's placeSaturday morning , 9th March - some techniques.- splitting- binders including Tom Smithfield's eazy binder, Marty's simple binder, Milward binder- heat gun ovens Saturday afternoon- trying some rods , participants and some old rods including a selection of Hardy, Walker Brampton, and 1862 drop ring Farlow, a 1910 steel centred 15' Edgar Sealy with over 750 intermediate bindings( actually quite nice to cast but redefines "slow action")- making ferrules from tube Saturday evening- BBQ - Kina beach ( where some of the participants are staying) , Tony Entwhistle , a well known local fishing guide will be there to advise on local fishing conditions for those intending to put in a few days fishing locally. Sunday morning ( probably a late start)- making guides- binding guides and using silk etc. Sunday afternoon- whatever is of interest to attendees Sunday evening- BBQ at Ian's place. Anyone who is interested in details or NZ information can contact me. Ian ----- Original Message -----From: "Ralph MacKenzie" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:42 AMSubject: ouch I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day or so. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australia note was the last I think that came through. Second clue was when I went to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't do that because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me. Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay SouthernRodmakers shindig in NZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we went tosee Lord of the Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBO is also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite the same thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from jojo@ipa.net Wed Jan 2 22:59:47 2002 g034xkW26046 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:59:46 -0600 helo=default) id 16LzyZ-0002hX-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:59:35 -0500 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Truly Garrison's math is a black art understood by few, and only then withthe aid of forbidden methods, namely by the likes of Claude F., Art P., TroyM., and Ralph MacK. It'd do to watch those four. Now watch someone else pipein that they understand the math, too, and we'll have more to watch. Nunley,you're always under suspicion for something. M-D ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Carmichael's book about Garrison was the one I was referring to when Iwrote rodmaking was considered a black art by many and the myth wasperpetuated in this book.It's a great book and belongs on every shelf but you need to read his bookwhile sitting in the middle of a pentagram and I don't mean rod. [;-)] You can only approach the math with the aid of a ouiji board. I know, I'vebeen there and it was a dark and scary place indeed. [:-)] Tony At 08:50 PM 1/2/02 -0700, channer wrote: Aye! Wayne's (and Claude Krieder'sbook)book was the one that convincedme this was do-able. If I had only read Garrison, I probably wouldn'thave gone on with it.john /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from beadman@mac.com Wed Jan 2 23:12:41 2002 g035CeW26504 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:12:40 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Tony - he was correct in his math...just maybe didn't explain it well. That's one reason I did this: Claude At 12:52 PM +0800 on 1/3/02, Tony Young wrote about Re: The GreatestRodmaker! Carmichael's book about Garrison was the one I was referring to when I wrote rodmaking was considered a black art by many and the myth was perpetuated in this book.It's a great book and belongs on every shelf but you need to read his book while sitting in the middle of a pentagram and I don't mean rod. [;-)] You can only approach the math with the aid of a ouiji board. I know, I've been there and it was a dark and scary place indeed. [:-)] Tony At 08:50 PM 1/2/02 -0700, channer wrote: Aye! Wayne's (and Claude Krieder'sbook)book was the one that convincedme this was do-able. If I had only read Garrison, I probably wouldn'thave gone on with it.john /*************************************************************************/AV Young from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 23:14:16 2002 g035EFW26703 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:14:15 -0600 Subject: Re: List g035EGW26704 Oh yeah??? Well the same to you fella!!! [:-)] At 10:43 PM 1/2/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Tony, phhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttttttt. >8^? Raspberries! (Just kidding.) M-D /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from jojo@ipa.net Wed Jan 2 23:22:21 2002 g035MKW27132 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:22:20 -0600 helo=default) id 16M0KU-000533-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:22:15 -0500 Subject: Re: List Wrong Tony!! M-D ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: List Oh yeah??? Well the same to you fella!!! [:-)] At 10:43 PM 1/2/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Tony, phhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttttttt. >8^? Raspberries! (Just kidding.) M-D /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from piscator@macatawa.org Wed Jan 2 23:30:49 2002 g035UmW27533 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:30:49 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! I'd been wanting to build bamboo fly rods for years when I moved toMichigan's west coast in 1996. Soon after I found this list and met Waynethrough it. He drove down to the hose and visited with me (while I wasstripping wall paper and painting.) and brought copies of his book andvideos for me to use. He invited me to his shop and to a TU show where hewas demonstrating rod building. He gave me cane, loaned me forms and ascraper, sold me hardware at cost, and in general killed any reason I couldhave had for not building my first rod. He gave me some great advice whenthings got dicy, "Just work one hour each evening." Don't worry about howmuch you get done, just put in your time. I don't agree with everythingWayne suggest, just most of it. He's given of himself at Grayrock and othergatherings, has given away his Hexrod program, is always willing to answermy dumb questions, and always seems happy to let me have the good waterwhenever we have gone fishing. And he's done a pretty good job tweakingsome of the famous rodmakers' tapers who were mentioned by others. Ithinkan awful lot of the resurgence in interest in this craft is owed directly toMr. Cattanach. As a matter of fact, I remember one leading professionalcomplaining a few years ago that, "Cattanach is teaching everybody to buildrods," and soon he'd lose his customers! That ain't gonna happen, but itdoes illustrate the point. Wayne certainly should be recognized as one of the greatest teachers andmentors of bamboo fly rod making. Brian from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 23:38:41 2002 g035cdW27832 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:38:39 -0600 Subject: Re: List g035ceW27833 Sorry [:-)] At 11:14 PM 1/2/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Wrong Tony!! M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Young" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:19 PMSubject: Re: List Oh yeah??? Well the same to you fella!!! [:-)] At 10:43 PM 1/2/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Tony, phhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttttttt. >8^? Raspberries! (Just kidding.) M-D /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 2 23:41:05 2002 g035f3W28078 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:41:03 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Only as far as it goes for determining the stress of a beam. You need a ouiji board to get anything meaningful for rod taper development from it. Tony At 09:12 PM 1/2/02 -0800, Claude Freaner wrote: Tony - he was correct in his math...just maybe didn't explain it well. That's one reason I did this: Claude At 12:52 PM +0800 on 1/3/02, Tony Young wrote about Re: The GreatestRodmaker! Carmichael's book about Garrison was the one I was referring to when I wrote rodmaking was considered a black art by many and the myth was perpetuated in this book.It's a great book and belongs on every shelf but you need to read his book while sitting in the middle of a pentagram and I don't mean rod. [;-)] You can only approach the math with the aid of a ouiji board. I know, I've been there and it was a dark and scary place indeed. [:-)] Tony At 08:50 PM 1/2/02 -0700, channer wrote: Aye! Wayne's (and Claude Krieder'sbook)book was the one that convincedme this was do-able. If I had only read Garrison, I probably wouldn'thave gone on with it.john /*************************************************************************/AV Young /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Wed Jan 2 23:47:37 2002 g035laW28449 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:47:37 -0600 VAA02226; XAA12896; g035lgZ01738; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:29:14 -0800 Subject: RE: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems if you run curly maple through a planer it's going to take divots out, theonly solutions is either to hand plane with a bedrock or run it through aabrasive planer (sander). I worked with the stuff for 7-8 years and when wecarved it with finger planes we used toothed blades, so we could go in anydirections, and cleaned up the planing marks with scrapers. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Rod Tube/Tiger Maple/Planner Problems Maybe some of you can help me understand what I am up against and how tosolve my problem. Got some nice looking tiger maple, well figured, that I wanted to make a rodcase out of. Ran some of it through my 12" planner tonight and was gettingsome pretty good digs out of it. Is there a secret to planing this stuff or is the secret not to run itthrough a planner? My hope was to resaw it to just over 1/4" thick and thenlet the planner take the last little bit. The way I'm approaching it nowisn't going to work. Tim from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Wed Jan 2 23:48:38 2002 g035mbW28600 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:48:37 -0600 VAA02837 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:46:51 -0800 VAA18976 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:48:27 -0800 g035maZ03724 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:48:37 -0800 (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:29:32 -0800 Subject: RE: guide spacing, Now CA winter I'll take Seattle's rain over this any day of the week, that white stuff isevil. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: guide spacing, Now CA winter Bob; I can almost appreciate that! This time last year, we were digging outof a total of 3'. We haven't been hit very hard so far this year, but itscold out there! I spent some time at my father in law's house in our UpperPeninsula. His place was about a mile off of Lake Superior. When I arrived,the path to the front door was surrounded by snow high enough that Icouldn't touch the top of the pile. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:32 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: guide spacing, Now CA winter Kyle:Meanwhile...I am finding new uses for breathable waders and myChoda wadingboots....snowblowing. We are at over 5 feet and counting.Best regards, and watch out for sun burn.Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:29 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: guide spacing I just hate winter. It must be 58 degrees out there and anothersweatshirtday here in CA. [:)] from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Wed Jan 2 23:49:06 2002 g035n5W28721 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:49:05 -0600 VAA03467 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:47:27 -0800 VAA15738 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:49:04 -0800 g035nEZ04988 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:49:14 -0800 (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:29:41 -0800 Subject: snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from KyleDruey@aol.com Thu Jan 3 00:15:52 2002 g036FpW29626 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:15:51 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:15:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Myster Rod Help Martin, I think you are right, it sure could be a Montague. This rod on ebay looks almost exactly like my mystery rod: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1055422781 Kyle In a message dated 01/02/2002 8:02:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, martinrjensen@attbi.com writes: I bet it is a Montague. I thought HI but I am now thinhking MontagueMartin Jensen-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu KyleDruey@aol.comSent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: Re: Myster Rod HelpThanks to all who replied. Still don't know for sure what it is butconsensus seems to have narrowed it down to either an H- I, Chubb, orMontague. I don't really have an interst in the rod, contact me offlist if anyone does, otherwise I may just take it to ebay.KyleIn a message dated Mon, 31 Dec 2001 9:25:54 PM Eastern StandardTime,Kyle Druey writes:List,I need help in identifying a rod that I dug out of the attic this weekend. This is truly "Grandpas fly rod found at a garage sale".This rod was acquired from a widow who lived down the street from mewhen I was a kid. I used to mow lawns for her. One day I saw thisbamboo rod sitting in the corner of the garage and she let me have it.Didn't know how to fly fish much back them, I was more in to sluggingcrank baits and spinner baits for bass. The rod somehow survived allthese years, fortunately I had placed it in a PVC tube/case, and itlooks to be in decent condition.The rod is 8' 6", 3 piece, 2 tips. No markings on it to identify the manufacturer. All fittings are brass, including a brass cap andring reel seat, winding check, ferrules, and tip top. No guides are onthe rod except the stripper which looks to be chrome plated brass, seemsas if the owner was in the middle of refurbishing this rod. Theferrules and reel seat are pinned. Wraps are black (or could be a darknavy) and the rod is very thinly coated with varnish. Small black wrapsare located very 2.5" along the butt section. The guides are missing onthe mid and tip sections, but I can see where these thread rings werewrapped every 2.5" on all sections. The wrap at the winding check ismaroon/gold/maroon. It has a swelled but that is approximatelyoversized by about 0.100 inches. The handle a cork slender cigar style,and is dark brown either from age or some type of finish. There is nodiscernable node pattern, they are grouped and placed seemingly atrandom. !Here are some links to two pictures:Picture of the grip, reel seat, and male ferrules:http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/MR1.jpgPicture of the female ferrule ends, and shows the wrap wrings onthe butt section, butt were also wrapped on the mid and tip sections:http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/mr2.jpgHere is the Garrison curve for the heavy tip:http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip1.jpgThe Garrison curve for the light tip:http://members.aol.com/kyledruey/tip2.jpgHere's the flat to flat dimensions:Heavy LightStation Tip Tip0 0.070 0.0681 0.070 0.0685 0.090 0.08210 0.104 0.10215 0.118 0.11620 0.132 0.13125 0.144 0.13930 0.154 0.15135 0.15840 0.16845 0.17850 0.18855 0.20060 0.21165 0.21770 0.23275 0.23980 0.24985 0.26390 0.29895 0.302100 0.302102 0.302Not sure what I have here, but the stress curves sure look interesting. Thanks again everyone for any insights you can share on this.Kyle-------------- --------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xc05.mx.aol.com (rly-xc05.mail.aol.com Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:02:38 -0500 rly- Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:02:10 -0500 g03429W23480; Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com g0341sW23444 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:01:44 +0000 From: "Martin Jensen" Subject: RE: Myster Rod HelpDate: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:01:56 - 0800Organization: wish I had someMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3 (Normal)X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 3 00:33:30 2002 g036XTW00230 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:33:29 -0600 (authenticated) Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:31:59 -0800 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Larry,I'm a little late, but MD chimed in for me. I'll never forget the firsttelephone conversation Wayne and I had, nor will I forget the ways he hashelpedme. Harry Larry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of the outcome of the survey.AsI look through the list of names mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't take exception to any of thenames mentioned, but read back over them and figure out where a BobSummersor a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatest at each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant todiminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks whohavebeen doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest ofus, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due tothe efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from DNHayashida@aol.com Thu Jan 3 02:15:28 2002 g038FRW01330 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:15:27 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:15:24 -0500 Subject: Plane blades Due to recent adventures on ebay, and meeting a plane collector at a swap meet who paid me to sharpen a lot of his blades, I have had the fortune (or mis-fortune) of sharpening about 2 dozen plane blades. There is a web page that lists the different types of Stanley bench planes with dates, so I got a good idea of when these blades were made. First and foremost the one factor that determines how long the blade will hold an edge is hardness. I doubt all these blades were of the same alloy - in fact I know they weren't because I have a couple Hock tool steel blades and a Hock A2 blade, along with a Lie-Nielsen A2 blade in the lot. Some blades took longer to get a really sharp edge, but with varying amounts a work all of them could be sharpened to the same degree. The old blades that were really hard - harder than the new Hock blades - were chipped. So I can see why plane makers don't harden to that degree any more. But I think for our purposes a really hard blade (within reason) would be better. We would just have to be careful about slowing down to go over the nodes and not hit our steel planing forms. I did actually chip a blade myself on my planing form - the plane wasn't grooved. But that edge was really nice going through the bamboo. A couple new Stanley blades (made within the last 20 years) almost immediately lost it's really sharp edge in use. The blades made before 1930 or so were thicker and harder. The blades made after 1930 or '32 were hard enough, but a lot thinner. I have the fortune to own a Union bench plane made around 1900 or so. The blade is 1/8 inch thick and harder than blazes. I sharpened a blade marked Stanley that was .072 thick - about 1/16th of an inch. That blade was fairly hard but with about half a dozen chips in the edge. I also own a Fulton and a Sargent bench plane. Both of them haveblades that measure .101 thick and from the way they sharpen and how long theedge lasts they are really hard. Haven't chipped them yet, but I grooved those planes. My conclusions. won't be running into the things that other plane users do that chip the blade edge - knots in the wood, nails, staples, etc. Since we plane a narrow strip under very controlled conditions I think we can use a harder edge without chipping it. New stock blades just don't keep an edge like the older (before 1930) blades. There is a basic difference in the new blades compared to the old blades. I think the difference is the hardness. Older blades are harder but easier to chip. Hock and Lie-Nielsen make very good replacement blades. In fact if I bought a new plane, block or bench, I would immediately get a replacement blade. Except for something like a Veritas plane which says it comes with an A2 blade, but I haven't seen a Veritas blade so I can say for sure how good it is. Darryl Hayashida Dueto recent adventures on ebay, and meeting a plane collector at a swap meetwho paid me to sharpen a lot of his blades, I have had the fortune (or mis-fortune) of sharpening about 2 dozen plane blades. There is a web page thatlists the different types of Stanley bench planes with dates, so I got a good First and foremost the one factor that determines how long the blade willhold an edge is hardness. I doubt all these blades were of the same alloy - infact I know they weren't because I have a couple Hock tool steel blades and aHock A2 blade, along with a Lie-Nielsen A2 blade in the lot. Some blades tooklonger to get a really sharp edge, but with varying amounts a work all ofthem could be sharpened to the same degree. The old blades that were reallyhard - harder than the new Hock blades - were chipped. So I can see whyplane makers don't harden to that degree any more. But I think for ourpurposes a really hard blade (within reason) would be better. We would justhave to be careful about slowing down to go over the nodes and not hit oursteel planing forms. I did actually chip a blade myself on my planing form - the plane wasn't grooved. But that edge was really nice going through thebamboo. A couple new Stanley blades (made within the last 20 years) almostimmediately lost it's really sharp edge in use. The blades made before 1930or so were thicker and harder. The blades made after 1930 or '32 were hardenough, but a lot thinner. I have the fortune to own a Union bench plane madearound 1900 or so. The blade is 1/8 inch thick and harder than blazes. Isharpened a blade marked Stanley that was .072 thick - about 1/16th of aninch. That blade was fairly hard but with about half a dozen chips in the edge.I also own a Fulton and a Sargent bench plane. Both of them have blades thatmeasure .101 thick and from the way they sharpen and how long the edgelasts they are really hard. Haven't chipped them yet, but I grooved thoseplanes. My conclusions. won't be running into the things that other plane users do that chip the bladeedge - knots in the wood, nails, staples, etc. Since we plane a narrow stripunder very controlled conditions I think we can use a harder edge withoutchipping it. New stock blades just don't keep an edge like the older (before 1930) blades.There is a basic difference in the new blades compared to the old blades. Ithink the difference is the hardness. Older blades are harder but easier tochip. Hock and Lie-Nielsen make very good replacement blades. In fact if I bought anew plane, block or bench, I would immediately get a replacement blade.Except for something like a Veritas plane which says it comes with an A2blade, but I haven't seen a Veritas blade so I can say for sure how good itis. Darryl Hayashida from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Jan 3 04:20:52 2002 g03AKoW02757 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:20:50 -0600 g03AK6370601; Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Jim Payne. Peter from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Jan 3 04:42:57 2002 g03AgtW03140 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:42:56 -0600 g03Agn573772; Subject: Re: ouch Great trick photography in that movie. Three hours, all shot in NZ, and NOTONE SHEEP! Peter from homes-sold@attbi.com Thu Jan 3 04:49:44 2002 g03AnhW03395 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:49:43 -0600 ;Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:49:38 +0000 Subject: Re: snow What Patrick didn't tell you; when we rarify get an inch of snow it shutsdown the whole town but we can drive in 6 inches of water-no problem. That'swhen "Cornfield Salmon Fishing" starts. :>)----- Original Message ----- Subject: snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from horsesho@ptd.net Thu Jan 3 05:02:14 2002 g03B2EW03750 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:02:14 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.994684 secs); 03 Jan 200211:02:13 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! --------------020508020206090601070300 Oh I fogot! I have seen Joe Perrigo's rods. Very nice indeed! The guy that was dealing them told me that he showed them to Per Brandin and Per said "the only problem with those rods is he that is selling them to cheap" Marty Bob Maulucci wrote: Hi Marty: I must agree with your top three. Al's rods are beautiful looking and casting. I will vouch for Bob Nunley and several of the others, too many to name really. They are truly masters. As far as the future goes...I hate to admit it because he has a big ego already (just kidding) and you all know he's my good friend, but I think that Joe Perrigo's rods are going to be something huge in 20 years. They are so consistently good, he builds tons of rods, and he chooses, creates, or modifies the best tapers. If I were a collector, I would buy some of his rods now. He will be very important, I believe. I am very pleased to work with him and be friends with him. He is a very talented guy. Best regards, Bob -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:25 PM Cc: Dkenney94@cs.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi Bob, As far as living romakers I would have to list Sam Carlsonas #1, T&T (either Dorsey/Maxwell or Dorsey) as #2 , and of thelist members that I have seen, rods from Al Medved #3. Now I havenever handled rods by AJ , Nunley or 99 % of the list so I can'tjudge them but I am sure they are great rods. --------------020508020206090601070300 Oh I fogot! I have seen Joe Perrigo's rods. Very nice indeed! The guy that said cheap"Marty Bob Maulucci wrote: Hi Marty: I must agree with your top three. Al's rods are beautiful looking and casting.I will vouch for Bob Nunley and several of the others, too many to namereally. They are truly masters. As far as the future goes...I hate to admit it because he has a big egoalready (just kidding) and you all know he's my good friend, but I thinkthat Joe Perrigo's rods are going to be something huge in 20 years. Theyare so consistently good, he builds tons of rods, and he chooses, creates,or modifies the best tapers. If I were a collector, I would buy some ofhis rods now. He will be very important, I believe. I am very pleased towork with him and be friends with him. He is a very talented guy. Best regards, Bob -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:25 PM Cc: Dkenney94@cs.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi Bob, As far as living romakers I would have to list Sam Carlson as listmembers that I have seen, rods from Al Medved #3. Now I have neverhandledrods by AJ , Nunley or 99 % of the list so I can't judge them but I amsure they are great rods. --------------020508020206090601070300-- from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Jan 3 05:13:25 2002 g03BDNW04091 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:13:23 -0600 g03BDE278806; Subject: Re: Induction Motor Tom I am sure you are right; I replied earlier to Tony about this, and shouldprobably have put it on the list. The wheel works very well, and as you say, is quick. But for me it is not acomfortable thing, as my training is in biological materials and not intool use. I have some problems with a Hock blade and a fast-revving wheel INMY HANDS. Cheers Peter from horsesho@ptd.net Thu Jan 3 05:13:28 2002 g03BDRW04096 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:13:27 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 1.262189 secs); 03 Jan 200211:13:27 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! --------------090903050106050403050107 Goodwin worked the tapers out and made rods prior to hiring Phillipson. (who by the way had no rodmaking experience) The only fault Goodwin commited was that he died ( if memory serves) at 41 years of age. Just think had he lived into his 70's how good the rods would have been. I knew I would regret this! Best, Marty channer wrote: Marty;Re-read your history book, I think you will find that Bill Phillipsonhad more to do with Granger rods than ole Goodwin ever did. I don't meanto rain on your parade, but I think this is a contest with no singlewinner. A fly rod is a very personal thing and so many have oneparticular maker who's work fits them so perfectly. To judge by numbersof high quality rods alone, then Heddon(rodmaker Bernard Hills) wouldhave to win. By current price tags, then it would be Garrison followed "Greatest". Or perhaps Jim Payne, for lifelong dedication to making thevery best rods he could, whether he went broke doing it or not. Perhapsit was Leonard, for starting the whole thing in the first place and forsetting the standard the rest of the industry had to live up to for somany years? Sheer volume?, I guess you wouldn't call H-I the "Greatest",but they probably put more rods in the hands of fishermen than any othercompany, except for maybe Montague. And I haven't even gotten around toDickerson, Young, Thomas, Edwards, Carlson, Maxwell, Powell, Winston,and a host of others, all of whom have their devotees. I say "God BlessEm,one and all" for providing all of us with so many hours of enjoymentboth on and off stream.Of course, the one true winner is "me!", I just haven't gotten therecognition I so richly deserve yet. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! john(already a legend in his own mind) "Marty D." wrote: Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty --------------090903050106050403050107 Goodwin worked the tapers out and made rods prior to hiring Phillipson. (who wasthat he died ( if memory serves) at 41 years of age. Just think had he livedinto his 70's how good the rods would have been. I knew I would regret this!Best, Marty channer wrote: Marty;Re-read your history book, I think you will find thatBill Phillipsonhad more to do with Granger rods than ole Goodwin ever did.I don't meanto rain on your parade, but I think this is a contest with nosinglewinner. A fly rod is a very personal thing and so many haveoneparticular maker who's work fits them so perfectly. To judge bynumbersof high quality rods alone, then Heddon(rodmaker Bernard Hills)wouldhave to win. By current price tags, then it would be Garrisonfollowedby Gillum, both of whom I have some problems with beingcalled"Greatest". Or perhaps Jim Payne, for lifelong dedication to makingthevery best rods he could, whether he went broke doing it or not.Perhapsit was Leonard, for starting the whole thing in the first placeand forsetting the standard the rest of the industry had to live up to "Greatest",but they probably put more rods in the hands of fishermen than any othercompany,except for maybe Montague. And I haven't even gotten aroundtoDickerson, Young, Thomas, Edwards, Carlson, Maxwell, Powell,Winston,and a host of others, all of whom have their devotees. I say"God BlessEm,one and all" for providing all of us with so many hours ofenjoymentboth on and off stream.Of course, the one true winner is"me!", I just haven't gotten therecognition I so richly deserve yet.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!john(already a legend in his own mind)"Marty D."wrote: Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as towho "the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goestoGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapersandstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rodsthathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty --------------090903050106050403050107-- from horsesho@ptd.net Thu Jan 3 05:18:30 2002 g03BITW04566 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:18:29 -0600 v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 1.051179 secs); 03 Jan 200211:18:28 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! --------------040707000200090106020002 I am making rods due directly to AJ McClane and his fishing encyclopedia. I would never consider him a great rodmaker though. Marty Tony Spezio wrote: Count me in.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Larry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of the outcome of the survey.AsI look through the list of names mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't take exception to any of thenames mentioned, but read back over them and figure out where a BobSummersor a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatest at each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant todiminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks whohavebeen doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest ofus, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due tothe efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty --------------040707000200090106020002 I am making rods due directly to AJ McClane and his fishing encyclopedia.I would never consider him a great rodmaker though. Marty Tony Spezio wrote: Count me in.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comLarry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the lasttotallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places wereheld byYoung and Dickerson.My personal vote goes to Young,regardless of the outcome of the survey. AsI look through the list ofnames mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies thedanger. I don't take exception to any of thenames mentioned, but readback over them and figure out where a Bob Summersor a Ron Kusseshould fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem ofcourse, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected thisas he qualified who was the greatest at each facetofrodmaking.Looking back over the folder where I keep myflames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time Igot in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out.This is in no way meant todiminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks who havebeen doingthis for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest ofus, interms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthosefolks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due totheefforts of Wayne Cattanach?Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Marty D.Sent: regret doing this but I am curious as to who "the list" feels was thegreatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He wasresponsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company thatbuilt tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistantquality. Best to all, Marty --------------040707000200090106020002-- from Lazybee45@aol.com Thu Jan 3 06:28:59 2002 g03CSwW05430 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:28:58 -0600 Subject: Re: snow In a message dated 1/2/02 11:49:53 PM Central Standard Time, patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com writes: Heh heh! I don't really know where you are Patrick, but allow a short story. Some years ago while still laboring for Uncle Sam (USAF) I awoke one fine day in November and headed for the squadron building as was my want, on my trusty Schwinn. (It may have been a Gitane, I don't remember over 25 years ago well, at least not in that sort of detail!) I got to work and started in updating the manuals as was my assigned duty. The phone soon rang and on the other end was the secretary. "I'm SNOWED IN!" she cried. "I can't drive in this stuff! I am stuck in my driveway!"There was a good half inch of snow out there and I had not noticed it! It melted by noon. November and had over 30 inches by Christmas. That much snow isdefinitely difficult to deal with. mark from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 3 06:30:01 2002 g03CTwW05604 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:29:59 -0600 Subject: ABS It's high time some one brought up that hoary old chestnut ferrule materials so I'll do it.Peter McKean and I were just conversing and my mind cast back tosomething that happened with an ABS plastic cup and it made me wonder if anybody has ever had much to do with this stuff. If so, would it be any good for ferrules do you think? Tony AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from ttalsma@macatawa.org Thu Jan 3 07:15:44 2002 g03DFiW06399 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:15:44 -0600 id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:09:01 -0500 id Y2QPVG8C; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:08:59 -0500 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hey guys, what about George Barnes then? I started because ofGarrison/Charmichael layed everything out, but George's book made itlook like it could be done without all of the extraneous "stuff" that Icouldn't afford at the time. Larry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of the outcome of the survey.AsI look through the list of names mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't take exception to any of thenames mentioned, but read back over them and figure out where a BobSummersor a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatest at each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant todiminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks whohavebeen doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest ofus, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due tothe efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from flytyr@southshore.com Thu Jan 3 07:26:16 2002 Received: from g03DQGW06725 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 0600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03Jan 2002 07:24:21 -0600 From: Tony Spezio X- Subject: Re: List References: Content-Type: text/plain; flytyr@southshore.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN JoJo I he wanted. Oh Well, if that is the way you feel !!!!. I figured I would get araspberry. LOL Have a great day. Tony Jojo DeLancier wrote: Oh, well . . . then . . . you're welcome, Dave. Tony, phhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttttttt. >8^? Raspberries! (Just kidding.) M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Davesrods" Cc: "Rodmakers discussion group" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:33 PMSubject: Re: List I got an Email from a Guy in Arizona and he wants help building Bamboo rods, and I couldnt remember how I found this list.. Hope to seem him soon..Thanks Dave ----- Original Message -----From: "Jojo DeLancier" Cc: "Rodmakers discussion group" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:24 PMSubject: Re: List Oh, well . . . then . . . never mind. M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Spezio" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:12 PMSubject: Re: List JoJo,I think he is talking about the N.Z. Gathering web site.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jojo DeLancier wrote: Dave, The URL for the site is www.canerod.com/rodmakers but theListproc is Listproc@wugate.wustl.eduTo subscribe put SUBSCRIBE RODMAKERS in the body of themessage. Tounsubscribe put UNSUB RODMAKERS in the body. To postponedelivery without unsubscribing, SET RODMAKERS MAIL POSTPONE, to get maildelivered as normal SET RODMAKERS MAIL ACK. To get mail in the form of a dailydigest, SET RODMAKERS MAIL DIGEST. To return it to normal, SET RODMAKERSMAIL ACK. Did that answer your question? M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Davesrods" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:53 PMSubject: List Whats the URL to sign up for this List??? Thanks Dave----- Original Message -----From: "Ian Kearney" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:28 PMSubject: Re: ouch - Real Southern rodmakers gathering Mac and others, I have just come home to do a few jobs and check the email so saw this question a little late. The real Southern rodmakers gathering is coming togetherwell. We have at least 3 attending from the USA, and that was before "the Lordof the Rings " came out. There are a couple from Australia, someone has to check on Tony's block of land next to the Buller river to make sure it is not washed away. There will be 3 or 4 from New Zealand , Danny from Norway ,and maybe one other Dutch rodmaker. It is not too late to attend and as Tony has pointed out it is very cheap once you get here with about $2.40 (NZ) for the US Dollar. Also food and accommodation is fairly cheap here. Danny and I did the shopping yesterday and got a dozen cans of beer and 3 bottles of wine for lessthen $40 NZ. The program at this point of time is as follows:Friday evening , 8th March - BBQ and get together at Ian'splaceSaturday morning , 9th March - some techniques.- splitting- binders including Tom Smithfield's eazy binder, Marty's simple binder, Milward binder- heat gun ovens Saturday afternoon- trying some rods , participants and some old rods including a selection of Hardy, Walker Brampton, and 1862 drop ringFarlow, a 1910 steel centred 15' Edgar Sealy with over 750 intermediate bindings( actually quite nice to cast but redefines "slow action")- making ferrules from tube Saturday evening- BBQ - Kina beach ( where some of the participants are staying) , Tony Entwhistle , a well known local fishing guide will be there to advise on local fishing conditions for those intending to put in a few days fishing locally. Sunday morning ( probably a late start)- making guides- binding guides and using silk etc. Sunday afternoon- whatever is of interest to attendees Sunday evening- BBQ at Ian's place. Anyone who is interested in details or NZ information can contact me. Ian ----- Original Message -----From: "Ralph MacKenzie" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:42 AMSubject: ouch I just found out I got bumped off the list sometime in the last day or so. [:-(] First clue was no messages in 24 hours. Tony's New Year in Australia note was the last I think that came through. Second cluewas when I went to unsubscribe, the listproc nicely advised me that it couldn't do that because I wasn't subscribed in the first place. News to me. Always the last to know.... How many you folks going to the waaaaaay SouthernRodmakers shindig in NZ? My chances improved from None to Slim when we wentto see Lord of the Rings at the movies. All filmed in NZ, so I understand, and SWMBO is also now interested. Interested and able, though, are not quite the same thing, but at least *one* hurdle has been taken care of! Happy New Year to everyone - I hope it's "bumpless" for you. mac from ttalsma@macatawa.org Thu Jan 3 07:36:07 2002 g03Da6W07070 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:36:06 -0600 id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:29:23 -0500 id Y2QPVG8W; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:29:18 -0500 Subject: Re: snow Don, You're not the only ones who can't drive in an inch of snow. My wifeand I have a comment that we use, even here in Michigan, "There's snowblowing across the road, so I have to drive 10 - 20 MPH under the speedlimit." It doesn't matter if it's the first snow of the year or if itis a blizzard, there are drivers who automatically shift it down a gearif there is snow blowing on the road. It is quite comical (unlessyou're driving on a two-lane road with a lot of oncoming traffic) to seethese people "white-knuckling" it when the first snow comes or when theroads are clear, but we have a little new snow and wind. Just call me "Stay out of my way" Talsma. If you see me at Grayrock,you'll know why, right Bret? Maybe I'll give Nunley a run for his money(size-wise that is). Don Schneider wrote: What Patrick didn't tell you; when we rarify get an inch of snow it shutsdown the whole town but we can drive in 6 inches of water-no problem.That'swhen "Cornfield Salmon Fishing" starts. :>)----- Original Message -----From: "Coffey, Patrick W" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:59 PMSubject: snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from flytyr@southshore.com Thu Jan 3 07:45:53 2002 Received: from g03DjqW07559 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 0600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03Jan 2002 07:43:52 -0600 From: Tony Spezio X- Subject: Re: List References: Content-Type: flytyr@southshore.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Toomany Tony's on the list. Here in my neigherbood I am known as Tony # 2.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Tony Young wrote: Sorry [:-)] At 11:14 PM 1/2/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Wrong Tony!! M-D ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Young" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:19 PMSubject: Re: List Oh yeah??? Well the same to you fella!!! [:-)] At 10:43 PM 1/2/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Tony, phhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttttttt. >8^? Raspberries! (Just kidding.) M-D /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html First snow, then silence.This thousand dollar screen diesSo beautifully. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 3 07:48:13 2002 g03DmDW07761 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:48:13 -0600 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! I am glad you mention George. I read his book after Garrison, and I KNEW Icould do it. I still read it regularly. A no nonsense approach. Wish I had agood copy. George should reprint it.That said, I think Wayne is a great vote. He is the rodmakers' rodmaker:unselfish, talented, and kind. I greatly enjoyed talking to him at Grayrockand hearing his taper lecture. And to top it all, I sat with Doug Easton andhis lovely wife at the TBBBQ dinner to look across and find Wayne's familysitting with us. A thrill to say the least. NO, I did not bring the purplerod up.Best regards, Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hey guys, what about George Barnes then? I started because ofGarrison/Charmichael layed everything out, but George's book made itlook like it could be done without all of the extraneous "stuff" that Icouldn't afford at the time. Larry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of the outcome of the survey. As I look through the list of names mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't take exception to any of the names mentioned, but read back over them and figure out where a Bob Summers or a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatest at each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant to diminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks who have been doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest of us, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due to the efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods thathave very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Thu Jan 3 08:27:16 2002 g03ERGW09257 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:27:16 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Hi Marty,I have met Per. He indeed was very complimentary of my work. I don't consider myself in the same league as the others mentioned. I was like a little puppy dog when I met Per, but he was very nice and helpful. Joseph A. Perrigowww.geneseevalleyrods.com5733 Griffith Rd.Portageville,NY 14536716-493-2637 from JNL123141@msn.com Thu Jan 3 08:44:21 2002 g03EiKW10150 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:44:20 -0600 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:44:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Plane blades FILETIME=[1B7206F0:01C19465] Thanks, Darryl. That bit of info is worth putting in the archives. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Plane blades Due to recent adventures on ebay, and meeting a plane collector at a swap=meet who paid me to sharpen a lot of his blades, I have had the fortune =(or mis-fortune) of sharpening about 2 dozen plane blades. There is a web=page that lists the different types of Stanley bench planes with dates, =so I got a good idea of when these blades were made. First and foremost the one factor that determines how long the blade will=hold an edge is hardness. I doubt all these blades were of the same allo=y - in fact I know they weren't because I have a couple Hock tool steel b=lades and a Hock A2 blade, along with a Lie-Nielsen A2 blade in the lot. =Some blades took longer to get a really sharp edge, but with varying amou=nts a work all of them could be sharpened to the same degree. The old bla=des that were really hard - harder than the new Hock blades - were chippe=d. So I can see why plane makers don't harden to that degree any more. Bu=t I think for our purposes a really hard blade (within reason) would be b=etter. We would just have to be careful about slowing down to go over the=nodes and not hit our steel planing forms. I did actually chip a blade m=yself on my planing form - the plane wasn't grooved. But that edge was re=ally nice going through the bamboo. A couple new Stanley blades (made within the last 20 years) almost immedi=ately lost it's really sharp edge in use. The blades made before 1930 or =so were thicker and harder. The blades made after 1930 or '32 were hard e=nough, but a lot thinner. I have the fortune to own a Union bench plane m=ade around 1900 or so. The blade is 1/8 inch thick and harder than blazes=. I sharpened a blade marked Stanley that was .072 thick - about 1/16th o=f an inch. That blade was fairly hard but with about half a dozen chips i=n the edge. I also own a Fulton and a Sargent bench plane. Both of them h=ave blades that measure .101 thick and from the way they sharpen and how=long the edge lasts they are really hard. Haven't chipped them yet, but I=grooved those planes. My conclusions. on't be running into the things that other plane users do that chip the b=lade edge - knots in the wood, nails, staples, etc. Since we plane a narr=ow strip under very controlled conditions I think we can use a harder edg= New stock blades just don't keep an edge like the older (before 1930) bla=des. There is a basic difference in the new blades compared to the old bl=ades. I think the difference is the hardness. Older blades are harder but=easier to chip. Hock and Lie-Nielsen make very good replacement blades. In fact if I boug=ht a new plane, block or bench, I would immediately get a replacement bla=de. Except for something like a Veritas plane which says it comes with an=A2 blade, but I haven't seen a Veritas blade so I can say for sure how g=ood it is. Thanks,Darryl= riginal Message ----- From: DNHayashida@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:16AM = rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Plane blades p meet who paid me to sharpen a lot of his blades, I have had the fortune=(or mis-fortune) of sharpening about 2 dozen plane blades. There is a we=b page that lists the different types of Stanley bench planes with dates,=so I got a good idea of when these blades were made.First and fo=remost the one factor that determines how long the blade will hold an edg=e is hardness. I doubt all these blades were of the same alloy - in fact =I know they weren't because I have a couple Hock tool steel blades and a =Hock A2 blade, along with a Lie-Nielsen A2 blade in the lot. Some blades =took longer to get a really sharp edge, but with varying amounts a work a=ll of them could be sharpened to the same degree. The old blades that wer=e really hard - harder than the new Hock blades - were chipped. So I can =see why plane makers don't harden to that degree any more. But I think fo=r our purposes a really hard blade (within reason) would be better. We wo=uld just have to be careful about slowing down to go over the nodes and n=ot hit our steel planing forms. I did actually chip a blade myself on my =planing form - the plane wasn't grooved. But that edge was really nice go=ing through the bamboo.A couple new Stanley blades (made withint=he last 20 years) almost immediately lost it's really sharp edge in use. =The blades made before 1930 or so were thicker and harder. The bladesmad=e after 1930 or '32 were hard enough, but a lot thinner. I have the fortu=ne to own a Union bench plane made around 1900 or so. The blade is 1/8 in=ch thick and harder than blazes. I sharpened a blade marked Stanley that =was .072 thick - about 1/16th of an inch. That blade was fairly hard but =with about half a dozen chips in the edge. I also own a Fulton and a Sarg=ent bench plane. Both of them have blades that measure .101 thick and fro=m the way they sharpen and how long the edge lasts they are really hard. =Haven't chipped them yet, but I grooved those planes.Myconclusio=ns.For rodmaking the harder the blade (again within reason) the bette=r. We won't be running into the things that other plane users do that chi=p the blade edge - knots in the wood, nails, staples, etc. Since we plane=a narrow strip under very controlled conditions I think we can use a har=der edge without chipping it. New stock blades just don't keep an=edge like the older (before 1930) blades. There is a basic difference in=the new blades compared to the old blades. I think the difference is the=hardness. Older blades are harder but easier to chip.Hock and Li=e-Nielsen make very good replacement blades. In fact if I bought a new pl=ane, block or bench, I would immediately get a replacement blade. Except = but I haven't seen a Veritas blade so I can say for sure how good it is.Darryl Hayashida from JNL123141@msn.com Thu Jan 3 09:18:18 2002 g03FIIW11963 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:18:18 -0600 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:18:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Greatest Rodmaker FILETIME=[DC0DE6A0:01C19469] This is indeed a volatile topic. Reading all the posts, I don't remember=seeing Gillum's name. I remember seeing an ad several years ago for one=of his rods for $22K. This is a topic too easy to omit someone worthy o=f consideration and it is all subjective anyway unless you lay down hard =criteria. The taper is the most important thing and whose tapers are mos= This isindeed= rthy of consideration and it is all subjective anyway unless you lay down= from caneman@clnk.com Thu Jan 3 10:21:35 2002 g03GLZW15358 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:21:35 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: snow Just call me "Stay out of my way" Talsma. If you see me at Grayrock,you'll know why, right Bret? Maybe I'll give Nunley a run for his money(size-wise that is). Todd,Well, I hope by Grayrock you OUTSIZE me! I just got "mandated" by theDoc to lose 40 to 50 pounds. For those who haven't met me, I'm about 6'4"and weigh 285... NOT a pretty sight! LOL I've lived in Colorado and Idaho, taken long sabaticals in Wyoming, Oregonand Northern CA... Here in Southeast Oklahoma, they close the schools whenthere is a half inch of snow on the ground. Scares the devil out of them.Now we do have our true evils... Ice storms that come so fast and heavy thatthey snap the trunks of large trees and so much ice that it's shear weightshatters Power Poles like they're toothpicks, but real snow??? Nada, Nyet,Khong... most people around here haven't seen REAL snow. And when thatraretime comes that we get 6" or so... you better stay away from Walmart...First, everyone is there stocking up like they won't be able to get out formonths, and second, everyone who has a 4WD thinks they're bulletproof. Itgets really dangerous on stuff that isn't that hard to drive on, so Iunderstand the "stay out of the way" attitude! Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from jbbamboo47@yahoo.com Thu Jan 3 10:26:20 2002 g03GQKW15722 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:26:20 -0600 03 Jan 2002 08:26:19 PST Subject: rod makers My vote is for Wayne . there are many great rodbuilders present and past,but to write a book aboutit. THATS GREAT!.Thanks to all the people for thereadvise. just one of many ted knott for somevery good tips. jim bailey __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 3 11:07:12 2002 g03H7BW17548 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:07:11 -0600 LAA16589; JAA05402; g03H7HZ13363; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:07:10 -0800 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Plane blades this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Old plane blades were made for people who made a living planning and workingwood and didn't have time to waste sharpening all the time, new plane bladesare made for people who like to make chips and shaving so they have adifferent alloy and temper. New blades are easier and quicker to sharpen,average guy with a fine India can sharpen one in his garage or shop, andeasier to go dull. If you think that old plane blades are wonderful youshould try old hand saw blades, twice the saw blades as the new ones andalso make great knife and scraper blades. I bought a new hand saw fromsearsand when it dulled I tried to resharpen it, the hardness was a coating onthe teeth and when it wore off what you were left with is soft poor steel.It's the same thing with chisels, the new ones are great for scraping grout from between tile or punching hole in cans of beans but pretty useless forworking wood, you have to resharpen about once every hour at best. Thebestold Stanley plane blades were made from Swedish steel from eskletuna(spelling?) Sweden and stay razor sharp for hours after sharpening on hardwhite and black Arkansas stones. Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Plane blades Due to recent adventures on ebay, and meeting a plane collector at a swapmeet who paid me to sharpen a lot of his blades, I have had the fortune (ormis-fortune) of sharpening about 2 dozen plane blades. There is a web pagethat lists the different types of Stanley bench planes with dates, so I gota good idea of when these blades were made. First and foremost the one factor that determines how long the blade willhold an edge is hardness. I doubt all these blades were of the same alloy - in fact I know they weren't because I have a couple Hock tool steel bladesand a Hock A2 blade, along with a Lie-Nielsen A2 blade in the lot. Someblades took longer to get a really sharp edge, but with varying amounts awork all of them could be sharpened to the same degree. The old blades thatwere really hard - harder than the new Hock blades - were chipped. So I cansee why plane makers don't harden to that degree any more. But I think forour purposes a really hard blade (within reason) would be better. We wouldjust have to be careful about slowing down to go over the nodes and not hitour steel planing forms. I did actually chip a blade myself on my planingform - the plane wasn't grooved. But that edge was really nice going throughthe bamboo. A couple new Stanley blades (made within the last 20 years) almostimmediately lost it's really sharp edge in use. The blades made before 1930or so were thicker and harder. The blades made after 1930 or '32 were hardenough, but a lot thinner. I have the fortune to own a Union bench planemade around 1900 or so. The blade is 1/8 inch thick and harder than blazes.I sharpened a blade marked Stanley that was .072 thick - about 1/16th of aninch. That blade was fairly hard but with about half a dozen chips in theedge. I also own a Fulton and a Sargent bench plane. Both of them haveblades that measure .101 thick and from the way they sharpen and how longthe edge lasts they are really hard. Haven't chipped them yet, but I groovedthose planes. My conclusions. won't be running into the things that other plane users do that chip theblade edge - knots in the wood, nails, staples, etc. Since we plane a narrowstrip under very controlled conditions I think we can use a harder edgewithout chipping it. New stock blades just don't keep an edge like the older (before 1930)blades. There is a basic difference in the new blades compared to the oldblades. I think the difference is the hardness. Older blades are harder buteasier to chip. Hock and Lie-Nielsen make very good replacement blades. In fact if I boughta new plane, block or bench, I would immediately get a replacement blade.Except for something like a Veritas plane which says it comes with an A2blade, but I haven't seen a Veritas blade so I can say for sure how good itis. Darryl Hayashida Old plane blades were made for people who made a living planning and workingwood and didn't have time to waste sharpening all the time, new plane blades aremade and temper. New blades are easier and quicker to sharpen, average guy with afine India can sharpen one in his garage or shop, and easier to go dull. If you think that old plane blades are wonderful you should try old hand saw blades, twice the saw blades as the new ones and also make great knife and scraperblades. I bought a new hand saw from sears and when it dulled I tried to resharpen it,the hardness was a coating on the teeth and when it wore off what you were leftwith is soft poor steel. It's the same thing with chisels, the new ones are great scraping grout from between tile or punching hole in cans of beans butpretty useless for working wood, you have to resharpen about once every hour atbest. The best old Stanley plane blades were made from Swedish steel fromeskletuna (spelling?) Sweden and stay razor sharp for hours after sharpening on hardwhite and black Arkansas stones. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair Planning 61-79 -----Original Message-----From: DNHayashida@aol.com 2002 12:15 Plane bladesDue to recent adventures on ebay, and meeting a plane collector ata swap meet who paid me to sharpen a lot of his blades, I have had thefortune (or mis-fortune) of sharpening about 2 dozen plane blades. There is a webpage that lists the different types of Stanley bench planes with dates, so I got a good idea of when these blades were made.First and foremostthe one factor that determines how long the blade will hold an edge is hardness. I doubt all these blades were of the same alloy - in fact I know they weren't because I have a couple Hock tool steel blades and a Hock A2 blade, alongwith a Lie-Nielsen A2 blade in the lot. Some blades took longer to get a really sharp edge, but with varying amounts a work all of them could be sharpenedto the same degree. The old blades that were really hard - harder than the new Hock blades - were chipped. So I can see why plane makers don't harden tothat degree any more. But I think for our purposes a really hard blade (within reason) would be better. We would just have to be careful about slowingdown to go over the nodes and not hit our steel planing forms. I did actually chip a blade myself on my planing form - the plane wasn't grooved. But that edge was really nice going through the bamboo.A couple new Stanleyblades (made within the last 20 years) almost immediately lost it's really sharpedge in use. The blades made before 1930 or so were thicker and harder. Theblades made after 1930 or '32 were hard enough, but a lot thinner. I have thefortune to own a Union bench plane made around 1900 or so. The blade is 1/8 inchthick and harder than blazes. I sharpened a blade marked Stanley that was .072thick - about 1/16th of an inch. That blade was fairly hard but with about half a dozen chips in the edge. I also own a Fulton and a Sargent bench plane. Both of them have blades that measure .101 thick and from the way theysharpen and how long the edge lasts they are really hard. Haven't chipped them yet, but I grooved those planes.My conclusions.For rodmaking theharder the blade (again within reason) the better. We won't be running into the things that other plane users do that chip the blade edge - knots in the wood,nails, staples, etc. Since we plane a narrow strip under very controlled conditionsI think we can use a harder edge without chipping it. New stockblades just don't keep an edge like the older (before 1930) blades. There is a basic difference in the new blades compared to the old blades. I think the difference is the hardness. Older blades are harder but easier to chip.Hock and Lie-Nielsen make very good replacement blades. Infact if I bought a new plane, block or bench, I would immediately get areplacement blade. Except for something like a Veritas plane which says it comes with an A2 blade, but I haven't seen a Veritas blade so I can say for sure how goodit is.Darryl Hayashida from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 3 11:08:29 2002 g03H8TW17751 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:08:29 -0600 JAA21847; JAA02206; g03H8GN17227; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:08:20 -0800 "Coffey, Patrick W" ,"'rodmakers'" Subject: RE: snow you can tell a Seattleite by the gill slits in his rain coat and by the mosson his north side. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: snow What Patrick didn't tell you; when we rarify get an inch of snow it shutsdown the whole town but we can drive in 6 inches of water-no problem. That'swhen "Cornfield Salmon Fishing" starts. :>)----- Original Message ----- Subject: snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from James.Hatch@METROKC.GOV Thu Jan 3 11:11:06 2002 g03HB5W18009 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:11:05 -0600 id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:10:31 -0800 "'Don Schneider'" ,"'rodmakers'" Subject: RE: snow this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Is that moss on by backside, too? I like your list and free exchange of -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: snow you can tell a Seattleite by the gill slits in his rain coat and by the mosson his north side. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: snow What Patrick didn't tell you; when we rarify get an inch of snow it shutsdown the whole town but we can drive in 6 inches of water-no problem. That'swhen "Cornfield Salmon Fishing" starts. :>)----- Original Message ----- Subject: snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 RE: snow -----Original Message----- ng.com]Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:08 AM 'rodmakers'Subject: RE: snow you can tell a Seattleite by the gill slits in his =rain coat and by the mosson his north side. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901 425-237-0083 =61-79 -----Original Message----- sold@attbi.com]Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:52 AM 'rodmakers'Subject: Re: snow What Patrick didn't tell you; when we rarify get an =inch of snow it shutsdown the whole town but we can drive in 6 inches of =water-no problem. That'swhen "Cornfield Salmon Fishing" starts. = ----- Original Message -----From: "Coffey, Patrick W" = Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:59 PMSubject: snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, =that white stuff is evil!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901 425-237-0083 =61-79 from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 3 11:13:27 2002 g03HDRW18325 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:13:27 -0600 LAA21439; LAA01624; g03HDUZ21041; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:13:22 -0800 "Coffey, Patrick W" ,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: snow if we get even a dusting of snow, all the mackerel snappers up here panicand screw up the traffic even worse than normal, hell they can hardly drivein the rain and I swear to god that even dry pavement scares them. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: snow In a message dated 1/2/02 11:49:53 PM Central Standard Time, patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com writes: Heh heh! I don't really know where you are Patrick, but allow a shortstory. Some years ago while still laboring for Uncle Sam (USAF) I awoke one fine day in November and headed for the squadron building as was my want, on my trusty Schwinn. (It may have been a Gitane, I don't remember over 25 years ago well, at least not in that sort of detail!) I got to work and started in updating the manuals as was my assigned duty. The phone soon rang and on the other end was the secretary. "I'm SNOWED IN!" she cried. "I can'tdrive in this stuff! I am stuck in my driveway!"There was a good half inch of snow out there and I had not noticed it! It melted by noon. November and had over 30 inches by Christmas. That much snow isdefinitely difficult to deal with. mark from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Thu Jan 3 11:16:49 2002 g03HGmW18746 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:16:48 -0600 03 Jan 2002 09:16:47 PST Subject: Re: Greatest Rodmaker --- John Long wrote: This is indeed a volatile topic. Reading all theposts, I don't remember seeing Gillum's name. Iremember seeing an ad several years ago for one ofhis rods for $22K. This is a topic too easy to omitsomeone worthy of consideration and it is allsubjective anyway unless you lay down hard criteria.The taper is the most important thing and whosetapers are most emulated today? John ...speaking of which...bill waara's name is not to beoverlooked. was there ever a waara taper that was notfirst rate, nor a senior builder that was not moreaccessable and intrested in a novice? ..and as aninventor he was the gaget king. timothy ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 3 11:19:52 2002 g03HJqW19128 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:19:52 -0600 helo=default) id 16MBWw-0003PK-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:19:50 -0500 Subject: Re: snow RE: snowWelcome, James. Hope you enjoy your stay. We've a really good =bunch of guys here. Martin-Darrell, AKA M-D Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:10 AMSubject: RE: snow Is that moss on by backside, too? I like your list and free exchange =of ideas -- it's pleasantly anarchic. Just joined up. Happy New Year. you can tell a Seattleite by the gill slits in his rain coat and by = What Patrick didn't tell you; when we rarify get an inch of snow it = down the whole town but we can drive in 6 inches of water-no problem. = I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is = RE: snow Welcome, James. Hopeyou = stay. We've a really good bunch of guys here. Martin-Darrell, M-D ----- Original Message ----- James Schneider' ; 'rodmakers' Sent: Thursday, January 03, = AMSubject: RE: snow Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:08 AM= Subject: RE: snow you can tell a Seattleite by the gill slits in his = and by the moss on his north side.= Patrick W. Coffey AOG= Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 = M/C = Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:52 AM= Subject: Re: snow What Patrick didn't tell you; when we rarify get an = snow it shuts down the whole town but wecan = 6 inches of water-no problem. That's when= = December 30, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: = I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, = stuff is evil!! Patrick W. Coffey AOG= Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 = M/C = from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 3 11:34:42 2002 g03HYgW20034 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:34:42 -0600 LAA08814; JAA25954; g03HYON02109; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:34:28 -0800 Don Schneider Subject: RE: snow hell that's nothing, the other day the sun came out here in Seattle andeverybody got scared and we all went down town and cut a calf on a rock.Pretty exciting. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: snow Just call me "Stay out of my way" Talsma. If you see me at Grayrock,you'll know why, right Bret? Maybe I'll give Nunley a run for his money(size-wise that is). Todd,Well, I hope by Grayrock you OUTSIZE me! I just got "mandated" by theDoc to lose 40 to 50 pounds. For those who haven't met me, I'm about 6'4"and weigh 285... NOT a pretty sight! LOL I've lived in Colorado and Idaho, taken long sabaticals in Wyoming, Oregonand Northern CA... Here in Southeast Oklahoma, they close the schools whenthere is a half inch of snow on the ground. Scares the devil out of them.Now we do have our true evils... Ice storms that come so fast and heavy thatthey snap the trunks of large trees and so much ice that it's shear weightshatters Power Poles like they're toothpicks, but real snow??? Nada, Nyet,Khong... most people around here haven't seen REAL snow. And when thatraretime comes that we get 6" or so... you better stay away from Walmart...First, everyone is there stocking up like they won't be able to get out formonths, and second, everyone who has a 4WD thinks they're bulletproof. Itgets really dangerous on stuff that isn't that hard to drive on, so Iunderstand the "stay out of the way" attitude! Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from lblan@provide.net Thu Jan 3 11:37:29 2002 g03HbTW20331 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:37:29 -0600 with HTTP id 8422242; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:37:29 -0500 Subject: Re: snow Welcome James. Outstanding job luring yet another innocent,M-D! I don't understand all the discussion about snow. As I looksouth toward Canada, I have to tell you that it is just alovely day in Detroit, blue skies, pleasant temperature, andno sign of precipitation in any form! Larry Blan On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:19:34 -0600"Jojo DeLancier" wrote: RE: snowWelcome, James. Hope you enjoy your stay. We've areally good bunch of guys here. Martin-Darrell, AKA M-D ----- Original Message ----- From: Hatch, James 'rodmakers' Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:10 AMSubject: RE: snow Is that moss on by backside, too? I like your list andfree exchange of ideas - - it's pleasantly anarchic. Justjoined up. Happy New Year. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: RE: snow you can tell a Seattleite by the gill slits in his raincoat and by the moss on his north side. Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:52 AM Subject: Re: snow What Patrick didn't tell you; when we rarify get aninch of snow it shuts down the whole town but we can drive in 6 inches ofwater-no problem. That's when "Cornfield Salmon Fishing" starts. :>) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffey, Patrick W" December 30, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, thatwhite stuff is evil!! Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 from carstenjorgensen@mail.dk Thu Jan 3 11:38:41 2002 g03HceW20531 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:38:40 -0600 Subject: Re: Plane blades Patrick: The swedish city is Eskilstuna and You are right,the swedes really know about steel. If you see old knives, plane blades etc named Bergdont hesitate - BUY at almost any price. Thisis probably the best of the swedish companies Sheffield made steel is as good - or at least used to be.I have to original plane plades for my english madeStanley plane - bloody good steel that keeps the edge. regards, carsten jorgensen www.daniaflyrods.com Patrick: The swedish city is Eskilstuna and = right,the swedes really know about =steel. If you see old knives, plane blades = Bergdont hesitate - BUY at almost any = This companies Sheffield made steel is as good - or = used to be.I have to original plane plades for = madeStanley plane - bloody good steel = edge. regards, carsten jorgensen www.daniaflyrods.com from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 3 11:39:42 2002 g03HdfW20724 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:39:41 -0600 LAA13099; JAA22517; g03HdYN11617; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:39:38 -0800 "'Don Schneider'" ,"'rodmakers'" Subject: RE: snow this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. here in Washington we have moss all over us and we look at it as NW suntan. Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: snow Is that moss on by backside, too? I like your list and free exchange of -----Original Message----- ] Subject: RE: snow you can tell a Seattleite by the gill slits in his rain coat and by the moss on his north side. Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- ] Subject: Re: snow What Patrick didn't tell you; when we rarify get an inch of snow it shuts down the whole town but we can drive in 6 inches of water-no problem. That's when "Cornfield Salmon Fishing" starts. :>) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 RE: snow here in Washington we have moss all over us and we look at it as NW suntan. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair Planning 61-79 -----Original Message-----From: Hatch, James 03, 2002 'rodmakers'Subject: RE: snow and -----Original Message----- From: Subject: RE: snow you can tell a Seattleite by the gill slits in his rain coat and by the moss on his north side. Patrick W. Coffey AOGIncident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 61-79 -----Original Message----- From: Don sold@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, January What Patrick didn't tell you; when we rarify get an inch of snow it shuts down the whole town but we candrive in 6 inches of water-no problem. That's when"Cornfield Message ----- From: "Coffey, Patrick W" "'rodmakers'" Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:59 PM Subject:snow I'll take Seattle's rain over this stuff any day, that white stuff is evil!! Patrick W. Coffey AOGIncident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 61-79 from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Thu Jan 3 11:50:59 2002 g03HowW21625 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:50:58 -0600 Subject: Winding checks Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Thu Jan 3 11:52:05 2002 g03Hq5W21709 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:52:05 - LAA28415 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:52:04 Subject: Online hexrod revision I've started on a complete rewrite of the online hexrod program. I'm adding a hex penta quad conversion feature (thanks to Claude Freaner for his work on the math), and some other things people have asked for. If you have any requests for new things or improvements of old things this would be a good time to send them to me. Once its done I'm going to make a standalone (offline) version andhelp Max Satoh make a Japanese version. But it needs a completerewrite first. There is no ETA.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Thu Jan 3 11:53:25 2002 g03HrOW21944 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:53:24 -0600 Thu, 03 Jan 2002 09:53:24 PST Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! IMHO, Paul H. Young as the greatest of the lastcentury and Wayne Cattanach as the greatest so far ofthis century. Bill W.--- Larry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked atthe last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of theoutcome of the survey. AsI look through the list of names mentioned, thereare some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't takeexception to any of thenames mentioned, but read back over them and figureout where a Bob Summersor a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not evenon the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I thinkBob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatestat each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames,I notice that it hasbeen six months or so since the last time I got inserious trouble. So...while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out.This is in no way meant todiminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past orpresent. Those folks who havebeen doing this for 20 years certainly didn't needany help. For the rest ofus, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how abouta show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today eitherdirectly or indirectly due tothe efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Of Marty D. Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who "the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes to Goodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers and starting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods that have very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 3 11:56:24 2002 g03HuNW22428 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:56:23 -0600 JAA03893; JAA13040; g03HuTZ20349; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:56:19 -0800 ,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Plane blades this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. there is no finer edge holding blades or chisels than those made by theE.A.Berg company, I have a full set of cabinet makers socket chisels =andabout 5 plane blades. I gave away my English and Japanese chisels when =I gotthese. Sharpen razor sharp and hold an edge all day, way better thanSheffield steel. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Plane blades Patrick: The swedish city is Eskilstuna and You are right,the swedes really know about steel. If you see old knives, plane blades etc named Bergdont hesitate - BUY at almost any price. Thisis probably the best of the swedish companies Sheffield made steel is as good - or at least used to be.I have to original plane plades for my english madeStanley plane - bloody good steel that keeps the edge. regards, carsten jorgensen is no finer edge holding blades or chisels than those made by the = company, I have a full set of cabinet makers socket chisels and about 5 = blades. I gave away my English and Japanese chisels when I got these. = steel. Patrick W.Coffey =AOG Incident Repair Planning =Phone: 425-234-2901 = -----Original Message-----From: Carsten = rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: = blades Patrick: The swedish city is Eskilstuna and = right, steel. If you see old knives, plane = Bergdont hesitate - BUY at almost any = Thisis probably the best of the = companies Sheffield made steel is as good - = used to be.I have to original plane plades = madeStanley plane - bloody good steel = the edge. regards, carsten jorgensen www.daniaflyrods.com from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Thu Jan 3 12:15:49 2002 g03IFmW23657 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:15:48 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:12:58 -0600 pri.pacificare.com (Tumbleweed ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:45:53 -0800 Subject: RE: Plane blades Oops, typo: >Should say "I can't say for sure how good it is". Sorry forthe confusion. Darryl -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:15 AM Subject: Plane bladesDue to recent adventures on ebay, and meeting a plane collector at aswap meet who paid me to sharpen a lot of his blades, I have had thefortune (or mis-fortune) of sharpening about 2 dozen plane blades. Thereis a web page that lists the different types of Stanley bench planes withdates, so I got a good idea of when these blades were made.First and foremost the one factor that determines how long the bladewill hold an edge is hardness. I doubt all these blades were of the samealloy - in fact I know they weren't because I have a couple Hock toolsteel blades and a Hock A2 blade, along with a Lie-Nielsen A2 blade in thelot. Some blades took longer to get a really sharp edge, but with varyingamounts a work all of them could be sharpened to the same degree. Theoldblades that were really hard - harder than the new Hock blades - werechipped. So I can see why plane makers don't harden to that degree anymore. But I think for our purposes a really hard blade (within reason)would be better. We would just have to be careful about slowing down to goover the nodes and not hit our steel planing forms. I did actually chip ablade myself on my planing form - the plane wasn't grooved. But that edgewas really nice going through the bamboo.A couple new Stanley blades (made within the last 20 years) almostimmediately lost it's really sharp edge in use. The blades made before1930 or so were thicker and harder. The blades made after 1930 or '32werehard enough, but a lot thinner. I have the fortune to own a Union benchplane made around 1900 or so. The blade is 1/8 inch thick and harder thanblazes. I sharpened a blade marked Stanley that was .072 thick - about1/16th of an inch. That blade was fairly hard but with about half a dozenchips in the edge. I also own a Fulton and a Sargent bench plane. Both ofthem have blades that measure .101 thick and from the way they sharpenandhow long the edge lasts they are really hard. Haven't chipped them yet,but I grooved those planes.My conclusions. We won't be running into the things that other plane users do that chipthe blade edge - knots in the wood, nails, staples, etc. Since we plane anarrow strip under very controlled conditions I think we can use a harderedge without chipping it. New stock blades just don't keep an edge like the older (before1930) blades. There is a basic difference in the new blades compared tothe old blades. I think the difference is the hardness. Older blades areharder but easier to chip.Hock and Lie-Nielsen make very good replacement blades. In fact if Ibought a new plane, block or bench, I would immediately get a replacementblade. Except for something like a Veritas plane which says it comes withan A2 blade, but I haven't seen a Veritas blade so I can say for sure howgood it is.Darryl Hayashida This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from lkoeser@ceva.net Thu Jan 3 12:25:37 2002 g03IPaW24172 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:25:36 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:18:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Greatest Rodmakers type="multipart/alternative" Clear DayIf one of the requirements of being the greatest rodmaker is =providing help to aspiring newbies, then everyone on this list is a =candidate in MHO. I have developed confidence in making rods by the fact =that all you guys have contributed in one way or the other, great or =small, in providing the necessary support. What your rods look like or =how they perform is secondary. That is the strength of what would be =called a guild.Lee Clear Day BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 25px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; COLOR:#0033cc; =FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica} If one of the requirements of being the greatest rodmaker is = to aspiring newbies, then everyone on this list is a candidate in MHO. I = necessary support. What your rods look like or how they perform is = That is the strength of what would be called a guild.Lee name="Clear Day Bkgrd.JPG" 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from richjez@enteract.com Thu Jan 3 12:29:05 2002 g03IT5W24466 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:29:05 -0600 ttalsma@macatawa.org, Don Schneider Subject: RE: snow --=====================_11017840==_.ALT Actually you guys have more sunny days in winter, on average, that Chicago. Told cold for the moss to grow here though.Rich Jezioro At 11:34 AM 1/3/02, Coffey, Patrick W wrote: hell that's nothing, the other day the sun came out here in Seattle andeverybody got scared and we all went down town and cut a calf on a rock.Pretty exciting. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:19 AM Cc: patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com; 'rodmakers'Subject: Re: snow Just call me "Stay out of my way" Talsma. If you see me at Grayrock,you'll know why, right Bret? Maybe I'll give Nunley a run for his money(size-wise that is). Todd,Well, I hope by Grayrock you OUTSIZE me! I just got "mandated" by theDoc to lose 40 to 50 pounds. For those who haven't met me, I'm about 6'4"and weigh 285... NOT a pretty sight! LOL I've lived in Colorado and Idaho, taken long sabaticals in Wyoming, Oregonand Northern CA... Here in Southeast Oklahoma, they close the schoolswhenthere is a half inch of snow on the ground. Scares the devil out of them.Now we do have our true evils... Ice storms that come so fast and heavythatthey snap the trunks of large trees and so much ice that it's shear weightshatters Power Poles like they're toothpicks, but real snow??? Nada, Nyet,Khong... most people around here haven't seen REAL snow. And when thatraretime comes that we get 6" or so... you better stay away from Walmart...First, everyone is there stocking up like they won't be able to get out formonths, and second, everyone who has a 4WD thinks they're bulletproof. Itgets really dangerous on stuff that isn't that hard to drive on, so Iunderstand the "stay out of the way" attitude! Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com --=====================_11017840==_.ALT Actually you guys have more sunny days in winter, onaverage, that Chicago. Told cold for the moss to grow here though.Rich Jezioro At 11:34 AM 1/3/02, Coffey, Patrick W wrote:hell that's nothing, the other day the suncame out here in Seattle andeverybody got scared and we all went down town and cut a calf on arock.Pretty exciting. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901 79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: snow me at Grayrock, his money Todd, got "mandated" by the about 6'4"and weigh 285... NOT a pretty sight! LOL I've lived in Colorado and Idaho, taken long sabaticals in Wyoming,Oregonand Northern CA... Here in Southeast Oklahoma, they close the schoolswhen them.Now we do have our true evils... Ice storms that come so fast and heavythatthey snap the trunks of large trees and so much ice that it's shearweightshatters Power Poles like they're toothpicks, but real snow??? Nada,Nyet, that raretime comes that we get 6" or so... you better stay away fromWalmart...First, everyone is there stocking up like they won't be able to get outformonths, and second, everyone who has a 4WD thinks they're gets really dangerous on stuff that isn't that hard to drive on, soIunderstand the "stay out of the way" attitude! Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com --=====================_11017840==_.ALT-- from caneman@clnk.com Thu Jan 3 13:03:05 2002 g03J34W26265 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:03:04 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "Rod Makers" Subject: Re: Winding checks Pete,Necessary, no, but they do serve a purpose, purely cosmetic, in making abreak point, so to speak, between the cork and the check wraps. Some ofmyrods have them, some do not, just depends on what the customer wants.Personally, I prefer a good, clean wrap right up to the cork and that's whatall of my personal rods have, however, most of the rods I make for othershave winding checks. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Winding checks Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete from horsesho@ptd.net Thu Jan 3 13:22:22 2002 g03JMLW27221 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:22:21 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 3.487356 secs); 03 Jan 200219:22:19 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Winding checks Not at all. I seldom use them except if the customer want them. Thier main purpose was to hide a poor fit between cork and cane. Some people feel they give a rod a more finished look. Marty Peter Van Schaack wrote: Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 3 13:31:20 2002 g03JVJW27928 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:31:19 -0600 (authenticated) Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:30:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Winding checks Marty, I personally never have used winding checks on bamboo, but I'mreconsidering that. Many of the better looking rods at the Gatherings AREequipped with winding checks. When one can get knurling on the checkwhich matches the knurling on the reel seats, it does look nice. In fact,I think a Bellinger seat, check, and ferrules -- all with the same knurlpattern -- really looks sharp. Functionally, they add nothing. Butcosmetically they can make a difference. On a similar vein, I don't use hook keepers, ever. I feel they aredetrimental to the functionality of the rod, and prone to provide that rodwith a shorter life span. Harry "Marty D." wrote: Not at all. I seldom use them except if the customer want them. Thiermain purpose was to hide a poor fit between cork and cane. Some peoplefeel they give a rod a more finished look. Marty Peter Van Schaack wrote: Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from dnorl@qwest.net Thu Jan 3 13:33:55 2002 g03JXsW28188 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:33:54 -0600 (63.228.44.72) Subject: Dave LeClair Had trouble with Dave LeClair's e-mail address on the rodmakers page. =Anyone got Dave's e-mail address? Had trouble with Dave LeClair's = on the rodmakers page. Anyone got Dave's e-mail address?Dave from GBuckley@aapg.org Thu Jan 3 13:36:28 2002 g03JaRW28511 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:36:28 -0600 3 Jan 02 13:40:53 -0600 0600 3 Jan 02 13:39:54 -0600User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh- Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: Winding checks Harry - Interesting comment re functionality and viability impact. Care to expand? I Gerald On a similar vein, I don't use hook keepers, ever. I feel they aredetrimental to the functionality of the rod, and prone to provide that rodwith a shorter life span. Harry from KyleDruey@aol.com Thu Jan 3 14:00:35 2002 g03K0YW01702 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:00:34 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:00:15 -0500 0103150015; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 15:00:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Winding checks Hey Bob, Just wondering if you consider yourself a Redneck or and Okie, becausethems is two different classes of peoples. I live near a town called Oildale that is chock full o' Okies and they are proudof it, you never make the mistake of calling them a Redneck. So, are you a Redneck or an Okie? [:)] Kyle In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 2:03:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,"Bob Nunley" writes: Pete,Necessary, no, but they do serve a purpose, purely cosmetic, in making abreak point, so to speak, between the cork and the check wraps. Some ofmyrods have them, some do not, just depends on what the customer wants.Personally, I prefer a good, clean wrap right up to the cork and that's whatall of my personal rods have, however, most of the rods I make for othershave winding checks. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Peter Van Schaack" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:52 AMSubject: Winding checks Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete from dryfly@erols.com Thu Jan 3 14:00:45 2002 g03K0jW01724 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:00:45 -0600 ([208.58.203.130] helo=erols.com) id 16ME2O-0007BY-00; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 15:00:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Winding checks I like nickel silver winding checks for cosmetic touch and use them onall my rods. I use the check as the place where I stop the rod when dipvarnishing (I'm not a big fan of varnishing onto the edge of the grip.I use Jeff Wagner's winding check punches to convert round checks intohex and quad checks. I also like and use strap and ring hookkeepers. Istarted buying and using cane rods in the 70's and I really liked thecosmetics of Leonard's and T&T's, which used winding checks andhookkeepers. Bob from flytyr@southshore.com Thu Jan 3 14:17:25 2002 g03KHOW04863 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:17:24 -0600 g03KH8M14691; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:17:09 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Winding checks Kyle,Rednecks are in my part of the country, just east of Oklahoma in Arkansas. Iam a D--Yankee from N.J. that married an Okie and lives in RedneckCountry. Now you know why I make Bamboo Rods. You know the differencebetween a Yankee and a D- -yankee. A Yankee comes to Arkansas and leaves,aD--Yankee comes to Arkansas and stays.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: Hey Bob, Just wondering if you consider yourself a Redneck or and Okie, becausethems is two different classes of peoples. I live near a town called Oildale that is chock full o' Okies and they are proudof it, you never make the mistake of calling them a Redneck. So, are you a Redneck or an Okie? [:)] Kyle In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 2:03:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,"Bob Nunley" writes: Pete,Necessary, no, but they do serve a purpose, purely cosmetic, in making abreak point, so to speak, between the cork and the check wraps. Someof myrods have them, some do not, just depends on what the customer wants.Personally, I prefer a good, clean wrap right up to the cork and that'swhatall of my personal rods have, however, most of the rods I make forothershave winding checks. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Peter Van Schaack" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:52 AMSubject: Winding checks Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 3 14:17:33 2002 g03KHXW04890 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:17:33 -0600 (authenticated) Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:17:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Hook keepers (was: Winding checks) Gerald, First, a hook keeper on the shortish rods so many of us build these daysallows the semi-standard 9 foot leader to have its butt end inside the tiptop. Many folks are too lazy to reach out to the tip and pull the leader- lineconnection out, so they just yank. With the profusion of braided loops,nail-knotted amnesia sections, and so forth joining line and leaders,somethinghangs, the tip is bent 90+* in six inches, and "snap" goes the tip. Same thinggoes with 12 foot leaders and longer rods. Several years ago I broke agraphiterod, twice (yes, same rod), doing just that. I urge my customers to never,never reel the line-leader connection through the tip top. Second, when carrying a rigged rod from place to place streamside, I tendtohold the rod just above the cork grip, right where a winding check would be.Garrison's book has a story about a female customer engorging herself whiledoing just that.Without a hook keeper, the angler is forced to loop the leader around thereel and place the hook bend around the stripper or one of the lower guides. Inmy mind, that's a much safer position for both the rod and the angler. Nowifone wanted to place a hook keeper just below the stripping guide.... naaah,,,,that would look stupid. Third, I just plain don't like the way hook keepers look. Only the strapand ring type look even decent to me. And they tend to flop around, makingalittle tiny clicking sound as I cast. I just don't like them. Therefore, Idon't even offer them as options on my rods. Hope this helps,Harry Gerald Buckley wrote: Interesting comment re functionality and viability impact. Care to expand? I --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from RONGEY@aol.com Thu Jan 3 14:24:44 2002 g03KOhW06336 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:24:43 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:24:34 -0500 Subject: (no subject) I'm a bit late to add this post, but if not for Wayne's encouragement and his irrepressible enthusiasm for this craft, I would not have been introduced to such a satisfying and rewarding experience. If you're monitoring the list, Wayne, once again, many thanks! Ken Rongey from dnorl@qwest.net Thu Jan 3 15:02:16 2002 g03L2FW11808 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:02:15 -0600 (63.228.46.95) Subject: Re: (no subject) I agree !Dave Norling-----Original Message----- Subject: (no subject) I'm a bit late to add this post, but if not for Wayne's encouragement and his irrepressible enthusiasm for this craft, I would not have been introduced to such a satisfying and rewarding experience. If you're monitoring the list,Wayne, once again, many thanks! Ken Rongey from dnorl@qwest.net Thu Jan 3 15:05:19 2002 g03L5IW12305 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:05:18 -0600 (63.228.46.95) Subject: Re: Hook keepers (was: Winding checks) Harry,I wish my 71 year old ears could hear my lttle silver circles on my hookkeepers clanging away when I am casting. I can just barely hear a cannongoing off.Dave-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Hook keepers (was: Winding checks) Gerald, First, a hook keeper on the shortish rods so many of us build these days allows the semi-standard 9 foot leader to have its butt end inside the tiptop. Many folks are too lazy to reach out to the tip and pull the leader-line connection out, so they just yank. With the profusion of braided loops,nail- knotted amnesia sections, and so forth joining line and leaders, something hangs, the tip is bent 90+* in six inches, and "snap" goes the tip. Same thing goes with 12 foot leaders and longer rods. Several years ago I broke a graphite rod, twice (yes, same rod), doing just that. I urge my customers to never,never reel the line-leader connection through the tip top. Second, when carrying a rigged rod from place to place streamside, I tend to hold the rod just above the cork grip, right where a winding check would be. Garrison's book has a story about a female customer engorging herselfwhiledoing just that.Without a hook keeper, the angler is forced to loop the leader around the reel and place the hook bend around the stripper or one of the lower guides. In my mind, that's a much safer position for both the rod and the angler. Now if one wanted to place a hook keeper just below the stripping guide.... naaah,,,, that would look stupid. Third, I just plain don't like the way hook keepers look. Only the strap and ring type look even decent to me. And they tend to flop around, making a little tiny clicking sound as I cast. I just don't like them. Therefore, I don't even offer them as options on my rods. Hope this helps,Harry Gerald Buckley wrote: Interesting comment re functionality and viability impact. Care to expand? I --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from caneman@clnk.com Thu Jan 3 15:06:57 2002 g03L6uW12699 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:06:56 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Winding checks Kyle,Well, I gotta say I'm an Okie, NOT a redneck. Examples: I have all ofmy teeth (some are bridgework, but all there), I do NOT think a goodSaturday night out includes a bar room brawl, I have a real gas cap on myTrooper & not a red shop rag, , my "church" clothes do not include a NFLlogo sweatshirt and a B.A.S.S. ballcap, my idea of foreplay is not "Hey! YouAwake???", I don't consider a bottle of "Skunk Cover Scent" a good birthdaypresent, I don't look for dates at family reunions and I wasn't related toany of my wives, have never dated a cousin or kissed my sister! I do haveone dead animal on the wall, but I think at least 6 stuffed carcasses arerequired for official redneck certification. *S* Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Winding checks Hey Bob, Just wondering if you consider yourself a Redneck or and Okie, because thems is two different classes of peoples. I live near a town called Oildale that is chock full o' Okies and they are proud of it, you never make the mistake of calling them a Redneck. So, are you a Redneck or an Okie? [:)] Kyle In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 2:03:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,"Bob Nunley" writes: Pete,Necessary, no, but they do serve a purpose, purely cosmetic, in making a break point, so to speak, between the cork and the check wraps. Someof my rods have them, some do not, just depends on what the customer wants.Personally, I prefer a good, clean wrap right up to the cork and that's what all of my personal rods have, however, most of the rods I make for others have winding checks. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Peter Van Schaack" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:52 AMSubject: Winding checks Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete from dnorl@qwest.net Thu Jan 3 15:08:13 2002 g03L8DW13021 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:08:13 -0600 (63.228.46.95) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Jeff Wagner Today is my bad day for bum addresses. The address for Jeff Wagner ontherodmakers page does not work for me. I think I need those punches for roundchecks to hex. Can anyone supply the right address?Dave-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Winding checks Kyle,Rednecks are in my part of the country, just east of Oklahoma in Arkansas. I am a D--Yankee from N.J. that married an Okie and lives in Redneck Country. Now you know why I make Bamboo Rods. You know the difference between a Yankee and a D--yankee. A Yankee comes to Arkansas and leaves,a D--Yankee comes to Arkansas and stays.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: Hey Bob, Just wondering if you consider yourself a Redneck or and Okie, because thems is two different classes of peoples. I live near a town called Oildale that is chock full o' Okies and they are proud of it, you never make the mistake of calling them a Redneck. So, are you a Redneck or an Okie? [:)] Kyle In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 2:03:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Bob Nunley" writes: Pete,Necessary, no, but they do serve a purpose, purely cosmetic, in making a break point, so to speak, between the cork and the check wraps. Some of my rods have them, some do not, just depends on what the customerwants.Personally, I prefer a good, clean wrap right up to the cork and that's what all of my personal rods have, however, most of the rods I make for others have winding checks. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Peter Van Schaack" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:52 AMSubject: Winding checks Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 3 15:12:11 2002 g03LCAW13809 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:12:11 -0600 NAA16067; NAA28606; g03LC4N01881; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:12:08 -0800 Subject: RE: Plane blades this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. E.A.Berg co went out of business about 20-30 years ago so you can only =findthem used. there is some companies making chisels, plane irons and =turningtools in eskletuna and I don't have the names with me at work.you could =do asearch on the internet and also look at web sites of people selling oldtools, E.A.Berg is famous among pro wood workers. in the pictures of =peoplesshops in fine wood working most of the chisels in the back ground are =bergs. Subject: Re: Plane blades Do you have a URL for Berg and do you know if they make turning gouges? = there is no finer edge holding blades or chisels than those made by theE.A.Berg company, I have a full set of cabinet makers socket chisels =andabout 5 plane blades. I gave away my English and Japanese chisels when =I gotthese. Sharpen razor sharp and hold an edge all day, way better than Patrick: The swedish city is Eskilstuna and You are right,the swedes =reallyknow about steel. If you see old knives, plane blades etc named =Bergdonthesitate - BUY at almost any price. Thisis probably the best of the =swedishcompanies Sheffield made steel is as good - or at least used to be.I =have tooriginal plane plades for my english madeStanley plane - bloody good =steelthat keeps the edge. regards, carsten jorgensen www.daniaflyrods.com E.A.Berg co went out of business about 20-30 = so you can only find them used. there is some companies making chisels, = irons and turning tools in eskletuna and I don't have the names with me = work.you could do a search on the internet and also look at web sites = selling old tools, E.A.Berg is famous among pro wood workers. in the = peoples shops in fine wood working most of the chisels in the back = bergs. Patrick W.Coffey =AOG Incident Repair Planning =Phone: 425-234-2901 = Thursday, = Re: Plane bladesDo you have a URL for = there is no finer edge holding blades or chisels than = the E.A.Berg company, I have a full set of cabinet makers socket = about 5 plane blades. I gave away my English and Japanese chisels = these. Sharpen razor sharp and hold an edge all day, way better = Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: = = -----Original Message----- From: Carsten J=F8rgensen= Sent: Thursday,= right,the = you see old knives, plane blades etc named =Bergdont hesitate - BUY at almost any = Thisis = be.I have to = from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 3 15:13:40 2002 g03LDdW14121 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:13:39 -0600 NAA02562; PAA28089; g03LDjZ22605; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:13:38 -0800 Subject: RE: snow this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. there is a reason this is such a green state Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Schneider Subject: RE: snow Actually you guys have more sunny days in winter, on average, that Chicago.Told cold for the moss to grow here though.Rich Jezioro At 11:34 AM 1/3/02, Coffey, Patrick W wrote: hell that's nothing, the other day the sun came out here in Seattle andeverybody got scared and we all went down town and cut a calf on a rock.Pretty exciting. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: snow Just call me "Stay out of my way" Talsma. If you see me at Grayrock,you'll know why, right Bret? Maybe I'll give Nunley a run for his money(size-wise that is). Todd,Well, I hope by Grayrock you OUTSIZE me! I just got "mandated" by theDoc to lose 40 to 50 pounds. For those who haven't met me, I'm about 6'4"and weigh 285... NOT a pretty sight! LOL I've lived in Colorado and Idaho, taken long sabaticals in Wyoming, Oregonand Northern CA... Here in Southeast Oklahoma, they close the schools whenthere is a half inch of snow on the ground. Scares the devil out of them.Now we do have our true evils... Ice storms that come so fast and heavy thatthey snap the trunks of large trees and so much ice that it's shear weightshatters Power Poles like they're toothpicks, but real snow??? Nada, Nyet,Khong... most people around here haven't seen REAL snow. And when thatraretime comes that we get 6" or so... you better stay away from Walmart...First, everyone is there stocking up like they won't be able to get out formonths, and second, everyone who has a 4WD thinks they're bulletproof. Itgets really dangerous on stuff that isn't that hard to drive on, so Iunderstand the "stay out of the way" attitude! Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ------ there is a reason this is such a green state Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair Planning 61-79 -----Original Message-----From: Rich Jezioro 2002 10:33 ttalsma@macatawa.org; Don SchneiderCc:'rodmakers'Subject: RE: snowActually you guys have more sunny days in winter, on average, that Chicago. Told cold for the moss to grow here though.RichJezioroAt 11:34 AM 1/3/02, Coffey, Patrick W wrote:hell that's nothing, the other day the suncame out here in Seattle andeverybody got scared and we all went downtown and cut a calf on a rock.Pretty exciting.Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-237-0083M- January 03, patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com; 'rodmakers'Subject: Re: If you OUTSIZE Oklahoma is taken long sabaticals in Wyoming, Oregonand Northern CA... Here in Southeast Oklahoma, they close the schools whenthere is a half inchof have our true evils... Ice storms that come so fast and heavy thattheysnap the trunks of large trees and so much ice that it's shearweightshatters Power Poles like they're toothpicks, but real snow??? Nada, Nyet,Khong... most people around here haven't seen REAL when that raretime comes that we get 6" or so... you better stayaway from Walmart...First, everyone is there stocking up like they won'tbe able to get out formonths, and second, everyone who has a 4WDthinks that hard to drive on, so Iunderstand the "stay out of the way" attitude!Later,BobR.L. Nunley,RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Thu Jan 3 15:16:57 2002 g03LGuW14934 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:16:57 -0600 by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 16:15:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Winding checks Tony: You are partially right. A D**n Yankee come here, marries our women, dates our sheep, and thenstays. :))) Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bambooflyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Winding checks Kyle,Rednecks are in my part of the country, just east of Oklahoma inArkansas. I am a D--Yankee from N.J. that married an Okie and lives in Redneck Country. Now you know why I make Bamboo Rods. You know the difference between a Yankee and a D--yankee. A Yankee comes to Arkansas and leaves,a D--Yankee comes to Arkansas and stays.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: Hey Bob, Just wondering if you consider yourself a Redneck or and Okie, because thems is two different classes of peoples. I live near a town called Oildale that is chock full o' Okies and they are proud of it, you never make the mistake of calling them a Redneck. So, are you a Redneck or an Okie? [:)] Kyle In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 2:03:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Bob Nunley" writes: Pete,Necessary, no, but they do serve a purpose, purely cosmetic, in making a break point, so to speak, between the cork and the check wraps. Some of my rods have them, some do not, just depends on what the customerwants.Personally, I prefer a good, clean wrap right up to the cork and that's what all of my personal rods have, however, most of the rods I make for others have winding checks. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Peter Van Schaack" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:52 AMSubject: Winding checks Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 3 15:24:17 2002 g03LOGW16156 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:24:16 -0600 (authenticated) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:23:51 -0800 Subject: Meeting in Nashville Hi y'all, Not trying to start another flame war about whether ornot we need a Rodmakers Guild, but anyone who DOES attendthe Rodbuilder's Guild Conclave in Nashville next week,please stop by my booth and say hello. Maybe we can make time for a cup of coffee. I'll bringmy own from Louisiana. Harry --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from homes-sold@attbi.com Thu Jan 3 15:31:17 2002 g03LVGW16799 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:31:16 -0600 ;Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:31:11 +0000 "'Bob Nunley'" , Subject: Re: snow Seattle is the only place I've ever lived where the Weather Forecastpredicts "Sun Breaks", if someone blows their horn at you it is because itis the point on last resort right before they hit you and you can tell whoall tourist are; they are the ones with umbrellas. The rest of us don't haveenough sense to come in out of the rain.Don----- Original Message ----- Schneider" Subject: RE: snow hell that's nothing, the other day the sun came out here in Seattle andeverybody got scared and we all went down town and cut a calf on a rock.Pretty exciting. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: snow Just call me "Stay out of my way" Talsma. If you see me at Grayrock,you'll know why, right Bret? Maybe I'll give Nunley a run for his money(size-wise that is). Todd,Well, I hope by Grayrock you OUTSIZE me! I just got "mandated" by theDoc to lose 40 to 50 pounds. For those who haven't met me, I'm about 6'4"and weigh 285... NOT a pretty sight! LOL I've lived in Colorado and Idaho, taken long sabaticals in Wyoming, Oregonand Northern CA... Here in Southeast Oklahoma, they close the schools whenthere is a half inch of snow on the ground. Scares the devil out of them.Now we do have our true evils... Ice storms that come so fast and heavy thatthey snap the trunks of large trees and so much ice that it's shear weightshatters Power Poles like they're toothpicks, but real snow??? Nada, Nyet,Khong... most people around here haven't seen REAL snow. And when thatraretime comes that we get 6" or so... you better stay away from Walmart...First, everyone is there stocking up like they won't be able to get out formonths, and second, everyone who has a 4WD thinks they're bulletproof. Itgets really dangerous on stuff that isn't that hard to drive on, so Iunderstand the "stay out of the way" attitude! Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Thu Jan 3 15:37:22 2002 g03LbLW17550 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:37:21 -0600 by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 16:35:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Meeting in Nashville Harry: Wish I could come down there. I will be in Atlanta all week long, unlessthe weather down there doesn't clear up. Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bambooflyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker----- Original Message ----- Subject: Meeting in Nashville Hi y'all, Not trying to start another flame war about whether ornot we need a Rodmakers Guild, but anyone who DOES attendthe Rodbuilder's Guild Conclave in Nashville next week,please stop by my booth and say hello. Maybe we can make time for a cup of coffee. I'll bringmy own from Louisiana. Harry --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Thu Jan 3 15:38:30 2002 g03LcTW17802 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:38:29 -0600 by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 16:36:58 -0500 Subject: Rodmakers In Atlanta Area Any rodmakers in the Atlanta area? I am going to be there from Sunday niteuntil Friday afternoon, and would love to visit with fellow rodmakers in myfree time there. Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bambooflyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker from fiveside@net-gate.com Thu Jan 3 15:40:12 2002 g03LeCW18226 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:40:12 -0600 Subject: The Greatest I'll second the motion for George Barnes, our Maine Man. He convinced = Bill Bill from KyleDruey@aol.com Thu Jan 3 15:41:38 2002 g03LfbW18623 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:41:37 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:41:24 -0500 0103164123; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 16:41:23 1900 Subject: Re: Jeff Wagner Dave, try this link and go down the page about half way: http://www.wagnerrods.com/tools.html In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 4:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,"Dave Norling" writes: Today is my bad day for bum addresses. The address for Jeff Wagner ontherodmakers page does not work for me. I think I need those punches forroundchecks to hex. Can anyone supply the right address?Dave----- Original Message-----From: Tony Spezio rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:18 PMSubject: Re: Winding checks Kyle,Rednecks are in my part of the country, just east of Oklahoma inArkansas. I am a D--Yankee from N.J. that married an Okie and lives in Redneck Country. Now you know why I make Bamboo Rods. You know the difference between a Yankee and a D--yankee. A Yankee comes to Arkansas andleaves, a D--Yankee comes to Arkansas and stays.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: Hey Bob, Just wondering if you consider yourself a Redneck or and Okie, because thems is two different classes of peoples. I live near a town called Oildale that is chock full o' Okies and they are proud of it, you never make the mistake of calling them a Redneck. So, are you a Redneck or an Okie? [:)] Kyle In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 2:03:32 PM Eastern StandardTime, "Bob Nunley" writes: Pete,Necessary, no, but they do serve a purpose, purely cosmetic, in making a break point, so to speak, between the cork and the check wraps. Some of my rods have them, some do not, just depends on what the customerwants.Personally, I prefer a good, clean wrap right up to the cork and that's what all of my personal rods have, however, most of the rods I make for others have winding checks. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Peter Van Schaack" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:52 AMSubject: Winding checks Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete from horsesho@ptd.net Thu Jan 3 16:25:43 2002 g03MPgW24349 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:25:42 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.646798 secs); 03 Jan 200222:25:37 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Winding checks --------------070508040709050701080304 Hi Harry, I do not use hookeepers either. A real useless piece of metal. Marty Harry Boyd wrote: Marty, I personally never have used winding checks on bamboo, but I'mreconsidering that. Many of the better looking rods at the Gatherings AREequipped with winding checks. When one can get knurling on the checkwhich matches the knurling on the reel seats, it does look nice. In fact,I think a Bellinger seat, check, and ferrules -- all with the same knurlpattern -- really looks sharp. Functionally, they add nothing. Butcosmetically they can make a difference. On a similar vein, I don't use hook keepers, ever. I feel they aredetrimental to the functionality of the rod, and prone to provide that rodwith a shorter life span. Harry "Marty D." wrote: Not at all. I seldom use them except if the customer want them. Thiermain purpose was to hide a poor fit between cork and cane. Some peoplefeel they give a rod a more finished look. Marty Peter Van Schaack wrote: Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church Hi Harry, I do not use hookeepers either. A real useless piece of metal.Marty Harry Boyd wrote: Marty, I personally never have used winding checkson bamboo, but I'mreconsidering that. Many of the better looking rodsat the Gatherings AREequipped with winding checks. When one can getknurling on the checkwhich matches the knurling on the reel seats, itdoes look nice. In fact,I think a Bellinger seat, check, and ferrules -- allwith the same knurlpattern -- really looks sharp. Functionally, they addnothing. Butcosmetically they can make a difference. On asimilar vein, I don't use hook keepers, ever. I feel they aredetrimentalto the functionality of the rod, and prone to provide that rodwith ashorter life span. Harry"Marty D." wrote: Not at all. I seldom use them except if the customer wantthem. Thiermain purpose was to hide a poor fit between cork and cane.Some peoplefeel they give a rod a more finished look.MartyPeter Van Schaack wrote: Are they necessary? Advantages /Disadvantages?Looking at the different rods some have them somedon't.TIA,Pete --Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ BambooRodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ OurChurch --------------070508040709050701080304-- from bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 3 16:42:36 2002 g03MgZW26131 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:42:35 -0600 "Rodmakers List-serv" Subject: RE: Meeting in Nashville Be careful Joe, I heard they got four inches of snow down there today.Sounds like a federal disaster area.Buffalo Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Meeting in Nashville Harry: Wish I could come down there. I will be in Atlanta all week long, unlessthe weather down there doesn't clear up. Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bambooflyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker----- Original Message ----- Subject: Meeting in Nashville Hi y'all, Not trying to start another flame war about whether ornot we need a Rodmakers Guild, but anyone who DOES attendthe Rodbuilder's Guild Conclave in Nashville next week,please stop by my booth and say hello. Maybe we can make time for a cup of coffee. I'll bringmy own from Louisiana. Harry --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from piscator@macatawa.org Thu Jan 3 16:49:37 2002 g03MnZW26878 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:49:36 -0600 ,"Rodmakers List-serv" Subject: Re: Meeting in Nashville They only use solar powered snow removal equipment that far south. from flytyr@southshore.com Thu Jan 3 16:51:35 2002 g03MpYW27205 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:51:34 -0600 g03MpXM12973 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:51:33 -0600 Subject: Boxelder Burl Thought I would post this, it might help someothers that have this burl.As I mentioned several weeks ago I took theBoxelder slabs up to a hardwood place thatprocesses raw wood. The 1 1/2" thick slabs werechecked for moisture content and the meter wentoff scale. It was wet.I wanted to get the slabs dried out so I couldstart using the burl. They could not guaranteewhat the slabs would do in the kiln and thought itwould take at least two months or more to dryout.I decided to take my chances with it. Cut it upinto 1 1/2" X 1 1/2 X 4". Turned them down to 11/8" round. Placed them on a wire rack in theintake of my home heater duct. I have a heat pumpsystem. The burl rounds were in the duct right atthree weeks. Took six of them up today to get themoisture content checked and they checked at justover 6% I think he said. He said the burl couldnot get much dryer than it is now. Boxelder reallystinks when it is burned. Did not know what itwould do in the duct.I was concerned that the burl would smell up thehouse but much to my delight not a smell. SHMBOdid not know they were in there. I got lucky. Inow have 38 Burl blanks that I can start makinginserts with.My heater has run a lot the past couple of weeks,winter has hit Arkansas.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from caneman@clnk.com Thu Jan 3 17:03:56 2002 g03N3uW28562 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:03:56 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Winding checks I agree on the hookkeepers. I don't even bring it up when someone =orders a rod, it's not on my order forms anywhere, and the ONLY ones I =put on are for those that really work their ass off talking me into it.Personally, I have never used one and NEVER will. I consider them =to be a bit like tits on a boar hog... Decorative, possibly, but =useless!!! Typically, my rods are 8' or less in length, and with a =short leader, 7', and 3 or 4 feet of tippet, you're still going to have =the flyline below the tip top using a hook keeper. I just hook mine on =a guide and loop the line around the reel foot. Do that with an 8 foot =rod and you can comfortably keep 12 feet of line from the end of the fly =out of the tip top. Even with my 5'6"er, you can still keep a 7' leader =and 3 feet of tippet out of the guides. No time wasted trying to pull =your line out of the guides so your rod will cast. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com Subject: Re: Winding checks Hi Harry, I do not use hookeepers either. A real useless piece of =metal. Marty Harry Boyd wrote: Marty, I personally never have used winding checks on bamboo, but =I'mreconsidering that. Many of the better looking rods at the =Gatherings AREequipped with winding checks. When one can get knurling =on the checkwhich matches the knurling on the reel seats, it does look =nice. In fact,I think a Bellinger seat, check, and ferrules -- all with =the same knurlpattern -- really looks sharp. Functionally, they add =nothing. Butcosmetically they can make a difference. On a similar =vein, I don't use hook keepers, ever. I feel they aredetrimental to the =functionality of the rod, and prone to provide that rodwith a shorter =life span. Harry"Marty D." wrote:Not at all. I seldom use them except if the customer want them. =Thiermain purpose was to hide a poor fit between cork and cane. Some =peoplefeel they give a rod a more finished look. MartyPeter Van Schaack =wrote:Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages?Looking at the different =rods some have them some don't.TIA,Pete--Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo =Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church don't even bring it up when someone orders a rod, it's not on my order = anywhere, and the ONLY ones I put on are for those that really work = off talking me into it. one = of tippet, you're still going to have the flyline below the tip top = cast. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- Marty =D. Cc: pvansch@wethersfield.k12.c= ; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Sent: Thursday, January 03, = PMSubject: Re: Winding =checksHi Harry, I do not use hookeepers either. A real = of metal. MartyHarry Boyd wrote:Marty, I personally never have =used winding checks on bamboo, but I'mreconsidering that. Many of =the better looking rods at the Gatherings AREequipped with winding =checks. When one can get knurling on the checkwhich matches the =knurling on the reel seats, it does look nice. In fact,I think a =Bellinger seat, check, and ferrules -- all with the same =knurlpattern -- really looks sharp. Functionally, they add nothing. =Butcosmetically they can make a difference. On a similar =vein, I don't use hook keepers, ever. I feel they aredetrimental to =the functionality of the rod, and prone to provide that rodwith a =shorter life span. Harry"Marty D." =wrote:Not at all. I seldom use =them except if the customer want them. Thiermain purpose was to hide=a poor fit between cork and cane. Some peoplefeel they give a rod a =more finished look. MartyPeter Van Schaackwrote:Are they necessary? =Advantages / Disadvantages?Looking at the different rods some =have them some =don't.TIA,Pete--Harry Boydhttp://www.canerods.com/Bamboo =Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our =Church from edriddle@mindspring.com Thu Jan 3 18:09:09 2002 g04098W02713 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:09:08 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16MHuy-0001BW-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 19:09:05 -0500 Subject: Snow Harry: I should have known better than to zing the Rev. over that "never snows =in Looziana " comment of yours. We've got 8" and still falling...now =this calls for major federal disaster relief here in north central NC. Ed Harry: I should have known better than to zing= and still falling...now this calls for major federal disaster relief = north central NC. Ed from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Thu Jan 3 18:13:34 2002 g040DXW03075 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:33 -0600 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:14:44 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl Tony,thanks for bringing up the Box Elder, I too got some of thiswonderful wood from Emon (thanks again!) and had some questions.1. The Box Elder we got is not actually burl is it?? I thought itwas just figured throughout the trunk judging by the size of the slabsin the pictures Emon sent me, I think they were around 36" in diameteror so?? Or were those just really big burls??2. I have been doing a bunch of research on Box Elder (and otherseat insert type woods) and can't seem to find out what it is calledhere in Canada, no one has heard of it, so I'm assuming its calledsomething else here??? I saw it called "Ash leaf maple" on one page, and"soft maple" on another, but further research seems to say that BoxElder isn't quite the same thing as either. My dad says it reminds himallot of some of the Poplar trees that grow here??? Anyone have anyinsight for me??3. Has anyone seen Beech used for reel seats??? My dad has severalgood sized Beech trees in the back forty that he is going to thin outsoon. The whole tree looks "burly", I wonder what it looks like turned?? 4 Has anyone tried the "Pentacryl" that Lee Valley sells forstabilizing wood?? I'm kind of eying this whole "stabilizing" thing witha cautious eye as I've had more than one insert go strange on reelseats that I have purchased. They were "stabilized" and have sinceturned dull white and crazed (the finish that is). I don't know whatmethod the builder used to stabilize the insert or if any furtherpreservation was done. I keep pristine care of my gear so I doubt it is from excessive moisture, I do want to avoid this problem when I make myown inserts, any tips??Thanks,ShawnP.S my Box Elder seems to be drying fine "a la air dry" other than somecurving and twisting. Tony Spezio wrote: Thought I would post this, it might help someothers that have this burl.As I mentioned several weeks ago I took theBoxelder slabs up to a hardwood place that from dnorl@qwest.net Thu Jan 3 18:40:15 2002 g040eEW04303 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:40:15 -0600 (63.228.44.144) Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl Box Elder is Ash Leaf MapleDave-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl Tony,thanks for bringing up the Box Elder, I too got some of thiswonderful wood from Emon (thanks again!) and had some questions.1. The Box Elder we got is not actually burl is it?? I thought itwas just figured throughout the trunk judging by the size of the slabsin the pictures Emon sent me, I think they were around 36" in diameteror so?? Or were those just really big burls??2. I have been doing a bunch of research on Box Elder (and otherseat insert type woods) and can't seem to find out what it is calledhere in Canada, no one has heard of it, so I'm assuming its calledsomething else here??? I saw it called "Ash leaf maple" on one page, and"soft maple" on another, but further research seems to say that BoxElder isn't quite the same thing as either. My dad says it reminds himallot of some of the Poplar trees that grow here??? Anyone have anyinsight for me??3. Has anyone seen Beech used for reel seats??? My dad has severalgood sized Beech trees in the back forty that he is going to thin outsoon. The whole tree looks "burly", I wonder what it looks like turned?? 4 Has anyone tried the "Pentacryl" that Lee Valley sells forstabilizing wood?? I'm kind of eying this whole "stabilizing" thing witha cautious eye as I've had more than one insert go strange on reelseats that I have purchased. They were "stabilized" and have sinceturned dull white and crazed (the finish that is). I don't know whatmethod the builder used to stabilize the insert or if any furtherpreservation was done. I keep pristine care of my gear so I doubt it is from excessive moisture, I do want to avoid this problem when I make my own inserts, any tips??Thanks,ShawnP.S my Box Elder seems to be drying fine "a la air dry" other than somecurving and twisting. Tony Spezio wrote: Thought I would post this, it might help someothers that have this burl.As I mentioned several weeks ago I took theBoxelder slabs up to a hardwood place that from iank@ts.co.nz Thu Jan 3 19:16:39 2002 g041GHW05541 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:16:18 -0600 by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g041ILq18446 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:18:21+1300 Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:18:20 +1300 Subject: Re: ouch - not rodmaking Peter, The big test with watching Lord of the Rings is to spot the car which is inthe distant background of one of the scenes. Quite a lot of the movie was shot in our area. Ian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: ouch Great trick photography in that movie. Three hours, all shot in NZ, and NOT ONE SHEEP! Peter from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Thu Jan 3 19:20:45 2002 g041KiW05936 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:20:44 -0600 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:20:39 -0800 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions FILETIME=[0535E600:01C194BE] A few months ago I thought I saw a thread on reel seat stabilization withplexiglass dissolved in acetone and airplane dope. But I can not find thethread in the archives. Does anyone remember the formula and technique? I was able to get a chunk of beautiful walnut, but when turning the firstfew pieces I ended up with some small pits scattered here and therethroughout the blank. I am trying a number of techniques to fix them, andplan to stop turning and start sanding sooner on the next ones, but what canbe done to get that smooth, glass like finish? Or should I even worry aboutit? Jeff from lblan@provide.net Thu Jan 3 19:44:10 2002 g041iAW07163 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:44:10 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:44:09 -0500 Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions Walnut is an open grained wood. You are not going to get a glassy finishunless you use something to fill the pores in the wood. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:19 PM Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions A few months ago I thought I saw a thread on reel seat stabilization withplexiglass dissolved in acetone and airplane dope. But I can not find thethread in the archives. Does anyone remember the formula and technique? I was able to get a chunk of beautiful walnut, but when turning the firstfew pieces I ended up with some small pits scattered here and therethroughout the blank. I am trying a number of techniques to fix them, andplan to stop turning and start sanding sooner on the next ones,but what canbe done to get that smooth, glass like finish? Or should I evenworry aboutit? Jeff from cathcreek@hotmail.com Thu Jan 3 19:48:19 2002 g041mJW07444 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:48:19 -0600 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:48:02 -0800 Fri, 04 Jan 2002 01:48:02 GMT rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions FILETIME=[D8A0A450:01C194C1] Jeff, I just poored in acetone and then chucks of plexiglass-chunks being the technical term. My results were not very good, but I only soaked the wood and did not pressurize it. I think Harry had some luck with his if I recall. Anyway, best of luck. From: "Jeff Schaeffer" Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questionsDate: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:19:24 -0500 A few months ago I thought I saw a thread on reel seat stabilization withplexiglass dissolved in acetone and airplane dope. But I can not find thethread in the archives. Does anyone remember the formula and technique? I was able to get a chunk of beautiful walnut, but when turning the firstfew pieces I ended up with some small pits scattered here and therethroughout the blank. I am trying a number of techniques to fix them, andplan to stop turning and start sanding sooner on the next ones, but what canbe done to get that smooth, glass like finish? Or should I even worry aboutit? Jeff _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com from lblan@provide.net Thu Jan 3 19:51:36 2002 g041pZW07918 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:51:35 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:51:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Boxelder Burl I soaked mine down with my "use for everything" Royal Arm-R-Seal as soonasI unwrapped them. Tossed them up in the rafters in the basement, andturnedthem every few days. They have lost the "heavy" feel at this point, but I'mnot planning on cutting them any time soon anyway. No warping or twisting todate, btw. the red staining): http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_2/acer/negundo.htm Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:17 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Boxelder Burl Tony,thanks for bringing up the Box Elder, I too got some of thiswonderful wood from Emon (thanks again!) and had some questions.1. The Box Elder we got is not actually burl is it?? I thought itwas just figured throughout the trunk judging by the size of the slabsin the pictures Emon sent me, I think they were around 36" in diameteror so?? Or were those just really big burls??2. I have been doing a bunch of research on Box Elder (and otherseat insert type woods) and can't seem to find out what it is calledhere in Canada, no one has heard of it, so I'm assuming its calledsomething else here??? I saw it called "Ash leaf maple" on one page, and"soft maple" on another, but further research seems to say that BoxElder isn't quite the same thing as either. My dad says it reminds himallot of some of the Poplar trees that grow here??? Anyone have anyinsight for me??3. Has anyone seen Beech used for reel seats??? My dad has severalgood sized Beech trees in the back forty that he is going to thin outsoon. The whole tree looks "burly", I wonder what it looks like turned?? 4 Has anyone tried the "Pentacryl" that Lee Valley sells forstabilizing wood?? I'm kind of eying this whole "stabilizing" thing witha cautious eye as I've had more than one insert go strange on reelseats that I have purchased. They were "stabilized" and have sinceturned dull white and crazed (the finish that is). I don't know whatmethod the builder used to stabilize the insert or if any furtherpreservation was done. I keep pristine care of my gear so I doubt it is from excessive moisture, I do want to avoid this problem when I make myown inserts, any tips??Thanks,ShawnP.S my Box Elder seems to be drying fine "a la air dry" other than somecurving and twisting. Tony Spezio wrote: Thought I would post this, it might help someothers that have this burl.As I mentioned several weeks ago I took theBoxelder slabs up to a hardwood place that from piscator@macatawa.org Thu Jan 3 20:03:45 2002 g0423iW08605 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:03:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl Acer negundo, Box Elder or Ash-leaf maple grows like a weed in northern =swamps. My hort teacher said that it was one of the only street trees =that they could grow in Siberia. (How can I remember that stuff and =forget milk at the grocery every time?) It grows lots of wacky warts that make cool burls (you knew that =already). One of the guys at work turns pens and pencils and swears by =pentacryl. He has used some other products that he didn't care for. I =think if you go back in the archives somebody (Dave LeClair??) discusses =how to produce good blanks for turning. Beech is a great wood, turns well, but can be prone to splitting whilst =drying. Make sure you coat the ends with wood sealer or rub a piece of =candle on them. Dry wood is dry wood. It doesn't care if it dries in a kiln, your attic =or a heater vent. If you are worried about checking and splitting, =drying the wood slowly on a shelf in a heated home is better than trying =to rush things with extra heat. Oh, and keep it out of the sun. Brian Acer negundo, Box Elder or= remember that stuff and forget milk at the grocery every =time?) It grows lots of wacky warts that make= discusses how to produce good blanks for turning. Beech is a great wood, turns well, but = or rub a piece of candle on them. = checking and splitting, drying the wood slowly on a shelf in a heated = the sun. Brian from FISHWOOL@aol.com Thu Jan 3 20:07:04 2002 g04273W08866 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:07:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Induction Motor Ralph,I couldn't agree more. Some of us seem to like the "automated" way which, to my mind, takes an awful lot of time to set up. I've made over a hundred rods so far and I still lap my ferrules by hand and hand file the cane ferrule station and use a mounted hand drill and roller bearings to turn my grips for shaping. I can't say that my rods don't ever break-I'm pretty rough with 'em as are some of my customers-of course they're never wrong so I usually don't charge 'em for repairs.Cheers,Hank. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Thu Jan 3 20:07:09 2002 g04278W08872 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:07:08 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hey, John, no fair. I've been a legend in my own mind for years ever since I started hunting hounds about the same time I started damaging bambooculms in 1978.Regards,Hank. from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Thu Jan 3 20:38:14 2002 g042cEW10411 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:38:14 -0600 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:37:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Winding checks/hookkeepers I like the looks of a winding check and hookkeeper, but the rods I build inthe future will not have hookkeepers. At least for now. A friend thatguides says that his experience is that most people hook themselvesbecauseof the hookkeeper. The fly is too close to the hand when picking up the rodor handing the rod to another. I don't have any experience with that but itmakes sense. Tim----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Winding checks Marty, I personally never have used winding checks on bamboo, but I'mreconsidering that. Many of the better looking rods at the Gatherings AREequipped with winding checks. When one can get knurling on the checkwhich matches the knurling on the reel seats, it does look nice. In fact,I think a Bellinger seat, check, and ferrules -- all with the same knurlpattern -- really looks sharp. Functionally, they add nothing. Butcosmetically they can make a difference. On a similar vein, I don't use hook keepers, ever. I feel they aredetrimental to the functionality of the rod, and prone to provide that rodwith a shorter life span. Harry "Marty D." wrote: Not at all. I seldom use them except if the customer want them. Thiermain purpose was to hide a poor fit between cork and cane. Some peoplefeel they give a rod a more finished look. Marty Peter Van Schaack wrote: Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from LECLAIR123@aol.com Thu Jan 3 20:47:49 2002 g042lmW10911 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:47:48 -0600 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In a message dated 01/03/2002 8:21:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jsschaeffer@hotmail.com writes: Jeff,This is very common in burls. I've got someBlack Walnut Burl I just turned some seats out of, with the sameproblem. This is what I do and it does a nice job. Once you have the blank turned to your finished diameter, spray it with super glue accelerator and let it sit for about 30 seconds. Then while the lathe is rotating, apply superglue to the entire blank. It will set right up in just a few seconds. Then, with your lath carrage/cutter still set where youmade your last and final cut, make another slow pass over theblank. You will be removing only the super glue on the surfaceand your voids will be filled. Some times you have to do thistwice, if they are really bad. Make sure you spray the accelerator onto the wood andlet it dry for a few seconds before putting on the super glue. Don'tput the glue on the wood first and then the accelerator, as the glue will set up too fast and turn white. You want it to stay clear. Dave LeClair http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from joseus@cybertech.com.ar Thu Jan 3 20:51:27 2002 g042pKW11141 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:51:21 -0600 g04245L15337 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:04:05 -0300 Subject: Preguntas. Hola a todos. Tengo varias preguntas. 1.- Toni Spezio, recibio usted las =imagenes que le envie. por favor aviseme si no llegaron, asi se las =envio de nuevo. 2.- Hoy yo instale el programa 3 gold, que me envio Joe, =yo tengo terminado mi planing form para las ca=F1as cuadradas. Yo hace =mas o menos un mes que lo habia construido, pero no comence con ninguna =ca=F1a. El modelo de Bob Maulucci, Spring Brook me gusto mucho. =Observando el taper me parece que esa es una ca=F1a con acci=F3n de =punta. Es fina hasta la estacion 15 y luego aumenta su diametro, con un =but muy robusto. Bob, es esto as=ED. Estima usted que si la construyo =con el sistema nodeles, podra andar bien. Yo debo aprovechar los restos =de bambu que tengo, ya que hasta que no mejoren las cosas, no puedo =volver a comprar. Bueno por ahora no molesto mas. Un saludo afectuoso a =todos. Alberto ( La avispa). Hello to all. I have several questions. 1. - Toni Spezio, you received =the images that it ships him. please warn me if they didn't arrive, I =ship this way again them to him. 2. - Today I install the program 3 gold =that I ship me Joe, I have ended my planing form for the square canes. I =make but or less one month that had built it, but I didn't begin with =any cane. Bob's pattern Maulucci, Spring I like Brook a lot. I find =observing the taper that that it is a cane with tip action. It is fine =to the station 15 and then it increases their diameter, with a very =robust but. Bob, is this way this. It estimates you that if I build it =with the system nodeles, rot to walk well. I should take advantage of =the bamboo remains that I have, since until they don't improve the =things, I don't buy again. Good for the time being I don't bother but. = joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/albertoyjoseusman Hola a todos. Tengo varias preguntas. 1.- Toni Spezio, recibio usted = imagenes que le envie. por favor aviseme si no llegaron, asi se las = nuevo. 2.- Hoy yo instale el programa 3 gold, que me envio Joe, yo tengo = terminado mi planing form para las ca=F1as cuadradas. Yo hace mas o = que lo habia construido, pero no comence con ninguna ca=F1a. El modelo = Maulucci, Spring Brook me gusto mucho. Observando el taper me parece que= una ca=F1a con acci=F3n de punta. Es fina hasta la estacion 15 y luego = diametro, con un but muy robusto. Bob, es esto as=ED. Estima usted que = construyo con el sistema nodeles, podra andar bien. Yo debo aprovechar = restos de bambu que tengo, ya que hasta que no mejoren las cosas, no = volver a comprar. Bueno por ahora no molesto mas. Un saludo afectuoso a = Alberto ( La avispa).Hello to all. I have several questions. 1. - Toni Spezio, you = images that it ships him. please warn me if they didn't arrive, I ship = again them to him. 2. - Today I install the program 3 gold that I ship = have ended my planing form for the square canes. I make but or less one = that had built it, but I didn't begin with any cane. Bob's pattern = Spring I like Brook a lot. I find observing the taper that that it is a = with tip action. It is fine to the station 15 and then it increases = diameter, with a very robust but. Bob, is this way this. It estimates = if I build it with the system nodeles, rot to walk well. I should take = of the bamboo remains that I have, since until they don't improve the = don't buy again. Good for the time being I don't bother but. An = greeting to all. Alberto (The wasp). joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/alb=ertoyjoseusman from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Thu Jan 3 20:52:30 2002 g042qUW11345 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:52:30 -0600 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:51:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Snow Ed, I have a 4 wheel drive so I was able to get down to the FEMA office this =afternoon to fill out my forms. I'm hoping I can get my check back =before I have to send them one in April. We got 2 to 4 inches less then you here in Charlotte. Bread and milk =have been unavailable since Monday when they started to forcast it. =Schools out again tomorrow and I think they have already scheduled =counselors to help the kids (and parents) get over it. Stay warmTim Subject: Snow Harry: I should have known better than to zing the Rev. over that "never =snows in Looziana " comment of yours. We've got 8" and still =falling...now this calls for major federal disaster relief here in north =central NC. Ed Ed, I have a 4 wheel drive so I was able to = my check back before I have to send them one in April. We got 2 to 4 inches less then you here= it. Stay warmTim ----- Original Message ----- Riddle Sent: Thursday, January 03, = PMSubject: Snow Harry: I should have known better than to = and still falling...now this calls for major federal disaster relief = north central NC. Ed from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Thu Jan 3 20:58:27 2002 g042wRW11827 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:58:27 -0600 Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:58:24 -0500 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions - now wood source While we're on the subject of inserts and wood, is there a good source forwood on the internet. Pen blanks from Woodcrafters and the other shops are a tad on the smallside. WSSI is a source for the impregnated blanks, but I just haven't beenable to find what seems like a good source for burls on the internet. Any suggestions? Tim from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 3 21:03:52 2002 g0433pW12284 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:03:51 -0600 (authenticated) Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:05:26 -0800 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions Yep, I had some luck. Rob has described the technique perfectly. I've had goodluck with it. I throw the wood in the plexi-acetone saturated solution, waittill the wood sinks, then start turning. Harry Robert Clarke wrote: Jeff, I just poored in acetone and then chucks of plexiglass-chunks beingthe technical term. My results were not very good, but I only soaked thewood and did not pressurize it. I think Harry had some luck with his if Irecall. Anyway, best of luck. From: "Jeff Schaeffer" Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questionsDate: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:19:24 -0500 A few months ago I thought I saw a thread on reel seat stabilization withplexiglass dissolved in acetone and airplane dope. But I can not find thethread in the archives. Does anyone remember the formula andtechnique? I was able to get a chunk of beautiful walnut, but when turning the firstfew pieces I ended up with some small pits scattered here and therethroughout the blank. I am trying a number of techniques to fix them, andplan to stop turning and start sanding sooner on the next ones, but whatcan be done to get that smooth, glass like finish? Or should I even worry aboutit? Jeff _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 3 21:05:43 2002 g0435hW12479 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:05:43 -0600 Subject: RE: Winding checks/hookkeepers Tim:I cannot believe that no one has mentioned what a pain in the butt wrappingthose darn things can be. That's reason enough for a lazy guy like me.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Winding checks/hookkeepers I like the looks of a winding check and hookkeeper, but the rods I build inthe future will not have hookkeepers. At least for now. A friend thatguides says that his experience is that most people hook themselvesbecauseof the hookkeeper. The fly is too close to the hand when picking up the rodor handing the rod to another. I don't have any experience with that but itmakes sense. Tim from bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 3 21:10:25 2002 g043AOW12756 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:10:25 -0600 Subject: RE: Preguntas. It is what my quad conversions led me to from starting with WayneCattanach's Sir D taper. It is very different in that it is tippier than saythe Edward's #25 in the database. Both are 7', the Spring Brook is faster.My first attempt at that taper was way too fast, and caused Joe Perrigo toshudder and say, "It could cast through a screen door." This version is muchtamer, but still rather fast. The Edwards #25 is more full flexing and anice medium taper, in my opinion.I hope you noted that it is a quadrate. That is why it seems even thinnerthan it really is.You will like it. I have built it nodeless, it is a fun taper.Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: Preguntas. Hola a todos. Tengo varias preguntas. 1.- Toni Spezio, recibio usted lasimagenes que le envie. por favor aviseme si no llegaron, asi se las envio denuevo. 2.- Hoy yo instale el programa 3 gold, que me envio Joe, yo tengoterminado mi planing form para las caas cuadradas. Yo hace mas o menosunmes que lo habia construido, pero no comence con ninguna caa. El modelo deBob Maulucci, Spring Brook me gusto mucho. Observando el taper me parecequeesa es una caa con acciõn de punta. Es fina hasta la estacion 15 y luegoaumenta su diametro, con un but muy robusto. Bob, es esto as¯. Estimaustedque si la construyo con el sistema nodeles, podra andar bien. Yo deboaprovechar los restos de bambu que tengo, ya que hasta que no mejoren lascosas, no puedo volver a comprar. Bueno por ahora no molesto mas. Unsaludoafectuoso a todos. Alberto ( La avispa). Hello to all. I have several questions. 1. - Toni Spezio, you received theimages that it ships him. please warn me if they didn't arrive, I ship thisway again them to him. 2. - Today I install the program 3 gold that I shipme Joe, I have ended my planing form for the square canes. I make but orless one month that had built it, but I didn't begin with any cane. Bob'spattern Maulucci, Spring I like Brook a lot. I find observing the taper thatthat it is a cane with tip action. It is fine to the station 15 and then itincreases their diameter, with a very robust but. Bob, is this way this. Itestimates you that if I build it with the system nodeles, rot to walk well.I should take advantage of the bamboo remains that I have, since until theydon't improve the things, I don't buy again. Good for the time being I don'tbother but. An affectionate greeting to all. Alberto (The wasp). joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/albertoyjoseusman Cattanach's Sir D taper. It is very different in that it is tippier than = Edward's #25 in the database. Both are 7', the Spring Brook is faster. = attempt at that taper was way too fast, and caused Joe Perrigo to = say, "It could cast through a screen door." This version is much tamer, = still rather fast. The Edwards #25 is more full flexing and a nice = in my opinion. noted that it is a quadrate. That is why it seems even thinner than it = is. like it. I have built it nodeless, it is a fun =taper.Bob UsmanSent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:13 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: =Preguntas. Hola a todos. Tengo varias preguntas. 1.- Toni Spezio, recibio = imagenes que le envie. por favor aviseme si no llegaron, asi se las = nuevo. 2.- Hoy yo instale el programa 3 gold, que me envio Joe, yo = terminado mi planing form para las ca=F1as cuadradas. Yo hace mas o = que lo habia construido, pero no comence con ninguna ca=F1a. El modelo = Maulucci, Spring Brook me gusto mucho. Observando el taper me parece = es una ca=F1a con acci=F3n de punta. Es fina hasta la estacion 15 y = su diametro, con un but muy robusto. Bob, es esto as=ED. Estima usted = construyo con el sistema nodeles, podra andar bien. Yo debo aprovechar = restos de bambu que tengo, ya que hasta que no mejoren las cosas, no = volver a comprar. Bueno por ahora no molesto mas. Un saludo afectuoso = Alberto ( La avispa).Hello to all. I have several questions. 1. - Toni Spezio, you = images that it ships him. please warn me if they didn't arrive, I ship = way again them to him. 2. - Today I install the program 3 gold that I = Joe, I have ended my planing form for the square canes. I make but or = month that had built it, but I didn't begin with any cane. Bob's = Maulucci, Spring I like Brook a lot. I find observing the taper that = is a cane with tip action. It is fine to the station 15 and then it = their diameter, with a very robust but. Bob, is this way this. It = you that if I build it with the system nodeles, rot to walk well. I = take advantage of the bamboo remains that I have, since until they = improve the things, I don't buy again. Good for the time being I don't = joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/alb=ertoyjoseusman from LECLAIR123@aol.com Thu Jan 3 21:14:32 2002 g043EVW13011 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:14:32 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! In a message dated 01/03/2002 9:08:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, FISHWOOL@aol.com writes: Yes, but I've been "out standing in my field" for a long time! I've got to find a new filed, this one is covered withsnow. Dave L. http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from LECLAIR123@aol.com Thu Jan 3 21:17:06 2002 g043H5W13231 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:17:05 -0600 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions - now wood source In a message dated 01/03/2002 9:59:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, twilhelm@occasionalrod.com writes: Tim,Just do a search for Maple wood and see whatcomes up. You won't believe the wood companies out thereselling beautiful burls. Dave L. http://hometown.aol.com/leclair123/index.html from lblan@provide.net Thu Jan 3 21:18:29 2002 g043ITW13375 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:18:29 -0600 Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions - now wood source There is some outstanding wood available on Ebay, and you might look here: http://www.curlywoods.com/ Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions - now wood source While we're on the subject of inserts and wood, is there a good source forwood on the internet. Pen blanks from Woodcrafters and the other shops are a tad on the smallside. WSSI is a source for the impregnated blanks, but I justhaven't beenable to find what seems like a good source for burls on the internet. Any suggestions? Tim from lblan@provide.net Thu Jan 3 21:36:35 2002 g043aZW14071 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:36:35 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:36:33 -0500 Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions - now wood source Oops... sorry, wrong URL. They have some outstanding lumber, but not quitewhat I'd look for in seats! Try this one. http://www.woodply.com/turningblocks.htm Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions - now wood source There is some outstanding wood available on Ebay, and you might look here: http://www.curlywoods.com/ Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions - now wood source While we're on the subject of inserts and wood, is there a good source for wood on the internet. Pen blanks from Woodcrafters and the other shops are a tad on thesmallside. WSSI is a source for the impregnated blanks, but I justhaven't beenable to find what seems like a good source for burls on the internet. Any suggestions? Tim from jerryy@webtv.net Thu Jan 3 21:53:38 2002 g043raW14530 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:53:36 -0600 by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with 2116.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA11817; ETAtAhReijDIakGlDD73Em+2bb/JSPJEfgIVAM0CiQXixrnNQjm1tsQImsCUObqD Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions - now wood source 3 Jan 2002 21:55:50 -0500 Tim - Try Eisenbrand Inc. Exotic Hardwoods4100 Spencer St.Torrance, CA 905031-800-258-2587www.eisenbran.com I have been buying rare woods from them for years and have been happywith what they have shipped me sight unseen. Recently bought a hugeblock of redwood burl that was beautiful. They still have someBrazilian rosewood that hasn't been imported for a few years. They senda catalog every two months. They specialize in burl and other highlyfigured woods. No interest ya da, Jerry Young from shane_person@telus.net Thu Jan 3 22:21:33 2002 g044LWW15025 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:21:32 -0600 (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:21:27 -0700 ,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Plane blades I have a set of 8 Eskilstuna chisels in a wooden box that are about 50years old. The maker is Esteel. Don't know how they compare with Berg's,but they are mighty fine instruments. Shane. from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Thu Jan 3 22:30:54 2002 g044UrW15345 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:30:53 -0600 Subject: Fw: Sylph 7' as a 3 Piece Rod? I've been on the list for a year and am starting my second rod. Things =sure go faster once you get all the tools and jigs built! I would have =been at SRG in October but the project schedule at work along with =vacation did not permit it. The things I have learned form the list =have really helped my building - what a great group! Hope to meet some =of you at SRG this fall. My question, would the Cross Sylph ( taper from Rodmakers Archive Sylph =#1 0.078 tip and .324 butt) translate well to a 3 piece rod and has =anyone done so? I have done the manual calculations, and have also run =through Hexrod. I'm doing a 3 piece as a travel rod, the 5wt to get a =bit more power for windy days (Taneycomo and the North Fork of the White=in MO). My first rod was a Cattanach 6642 and it turned out very well, =just doesn't have the punch when a 15 knot breeze is in your face. A search of the archives 1999-2001 indicated several favourable comments=on the taper, but no discussion of doing it as a 3 piece. Thanks, KurtNixa, MO I've been on the list for a year and= some of you at SRG this fall. My question, would the CrossSylph ( = Rodmakers Archive Sylph #1 0.078 tip and .324 butt) translate well to a = get a bit more power for windy days (Taneycomo and the North Fork of the = just doesn't have the punch when a 15 knot breeze is in your =face. A search of the archives 1999-2001 = several favourable comments on the taper, but no discussion of doing it = piece. Thanks, KurtNixa,MO from channer@frontier.net Thu Jan 3 22:41:47 2002 g044fkW15708 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:41:46 -0600 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:41:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Winding checks/hookkeepers Yeah but! A rod without a hookeeper and a winding check looksunfinished, kinda like a hardwood floor without base shoe.john Tim Wilhelm wrote: I like the looks of a winding check and hookkeeper, but the rods I build inthe future will not have hookkeepers. At least for now. A friend thatguides says that his experience is that most people hook themselvesbecauseof the hookkeeper. The fly is too close to the hand when picking up the rodor handing the rod to another. I don't have any experience with that but itmakes sense. Tim----- Original Message -----From: "Harry Boyd" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:30 PMSubject: Re: Winding checks Marty, I personally never have used winding checks on bamboo, but I'mreconsidering that. Many of the better looking rods at the GatheringsAREequipped with winding checks. When one can get knurling on the checkwhich matches the knurling on the reel seats, it does look nice. In fact,I think a Bellinger seat, check, and ferrules -- all with the same knurlpattern -- really looks sharp. Functionally, they add nothing. Butcosmetically they can make a difference. On a similar vein, I don't use hook keepers, ever. I feel they aredetrimental to the functionality of the rod, and prone to provide that rodwith a shorter life span. Harry "Marty D." wrote: Not at all. I seldom use them except if the customer want them. Thiermain purpose was to hide a poor fit between cork and cane. Somepeoplefeel they give a rod a more finished look. Marty Peter Van Schaack wrote: Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from ajthramer@hotmail.com Fri Jan 4 03:17:54 2002 g049HrW19433 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:17:53 -0600 Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:17:36 -0800 Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:17:36 GMT Subject: Great Rodmakers FILETIME=[A64A9990:01C19500] I can't bring myself to limit the group to one maker. each had his own vision of what his rods should be. If that was accomplished then the builder was successful. Some criteria. The rods should have been generally available, perfect rods made of unobtainium does not cut it. They should have a sufficient body of work to judge the results. I will limit the test to only the work itself. Because he might have been president of a club or worked out of a solar heated cave doesn't mean anything. The rods should have a combination of good tapers, decent cosmetics andgood durability. I will confine myself to only Golden age makers. As an aside , the rods produced even by the venerated J Payne would only rate a grade of decent in todays rodmaking environment with its emphasis on the cosmetic. He didn't worry about node spacing much at all, didn't fuss over watermarks in the cane either. The reason they are so highly valued is because they are a well thought out fishing instrument. I like the Grangers and Heddons of the world the best as they produced extremely good fishing rods that most of america could afford. Paynes, FE Thomas were great butout of reach for most. Leonard had problems with consistency as did Young. In addition the Young tapers are elusive to many outside of the rodbuilding world. They are either loved or loathed. Gillums varied too. Dickerson I like, solid repectabe rods, well made at a fair price. If only Bill Phillipson would have come up with a prettier reelseat, but they win big in the fishing department. This is now too long and it is too late and I still have to glue up this afternoons blank....A.J. _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Jan 4 04:42:33 2002 g04AgVW20208 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:42:32 -0600 "'Carsten =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgensen=27?=",rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: Plane blades g04AgXW20209 Patrick,how can I get in touch with EA Berg? Tony At 09:56 AM 1/3/02 -0800, Coffey, Patrick W wrote: there is no finer edge holding blades or chisels than those made by the E.A.Berg company, I have a full set of cabinet makers socket chisels and about 5 plane blades. I gave away my English and Japanese chisels when I got these. Sharpen razor sharp and hold an edge all day, way better than Sheffield steel. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79-----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Plane blades Patrick: The swedish city is Eskilstuna and You are right,the swedes really know about steel. If you see old knives, plane blades etc named Bergdont hesitate - BUY at almost any price. Thisis probably the best of the swedish companies Sheffield made steel is as good - or at least used to be.I have to original plane plades for my english madeStanley plane - bloody good steel that keeps the edge. regards, carsten jorgensen www.daniaflyrods.com /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Lazybee45@aol.com Fri Jan 4 05:04:03 2002 g04B43W20543 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:04:03 -0600 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:03:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Snow In a message dated 1/3/02 8:53:36 PM Central Standard Time, twilhelm@occasionalrod.com writes: Just pulling your chain fellers! BUT! counseling over 4 inches of snow? We got that last year before Halloween! Up north, they got a bunch! Only in the South do they consider snow unnatural! O'course, Iowa is not the place to find great chitterlings and grits either!Hope you all pull through in your hour of need! In seriousness, I realize that you guys do have a problem. Snow is mighty difficult if you are not equipped to deal with it. If I could send you my (so far unused!) new snowblower, i would happily do so! But "She who must be obeyed" would probably say no! We might need it! So far, sunny Iowa has received about 1 inch where we live! Last year at this time it was 30 inches! mark from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Jan 4 05:09:45 2002 g04B9hW20770 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:09:43 -0600 Subject: Re: Winding checks Bob,who the HELL would want to brawl with you??? You look like a bear and have hands like catcher's mits. Anybody stupid enough to want to pick you needs help BEFORE you get to him. At 03:06 PM 1/3/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Kyle,Well, I gotta say I'm an Okie, NOT a redneck. Examples: I have all ofmy teeth (some are bridgework, but all there), I do NOT think a goodSaturday night out includes a bar room brawl, I have a real gas cap on my /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from horsesho@ptd.net Fri Jan 4 05:12:42 2002 g04BCfW21009 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:12:41 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 0.835211 secs); 04 Jan 200211:12:37 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Great Rodmakers My only real problem with Heddon is that I have only seen a couple that the ferrules fit well and did not need to be reseated. Not so with Granger. Have only seen a couple that the ferrules needed to be reseated. Best, Marty Allen Thramer wrote: I can't bring myself to limit the group to one maker. each had his own vision of what his rods should be. If that was accomplished then the builder was successful. Some criteria. The rods should have been generally available, perfect rods made of unobtainium does not cut it. They should have a sufficient body of work to judge the results. I will limit the test to only the work itself. Because he might have been president of a club or worked out of a solar heated cave doesn't mean anything. The rods should have a combination of good tapers, decent cosmetics and good durability. I will confine myself to only Golden age makers. As an aside , the rods produced even by the venerated J Payne would only rate a grade of decent in todays rodmaking environment with its emphasis on the cosmetic. He didn't worry about node spacing much at all, didn't fuss over watermarks in the cane either. The reason they are so highly valued is because they are a well thought out fishing instrument. I like the Grangers and Heddons of the world the best as they produced extremely good fishing rods that most of america could afford. Paynes, FE Thomas were great but out of reach for most. Leonard had problems with consistency as did Young. In addition the Young tapers are elusive to many outside of the rodbuilding world. They are either loved or loathed. Gillums varied too. Dickerson I like, solid repectabe rods, well made at a fair price. If only Bill Phillipson would have come up with a prettier reelseat, but they win big in the fishing department. This is now too long and it is too late and I still have to glue up this afternoons blank....A.J. _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Jan 4 05:28:35 2002 g04BSXW21346 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:28:34 -0600 Subject: RE: Plane blades I'm always late to these sales. At 01:12 PM 1/3/02 -0800, Coffey, Patrick W wrote: E.A.Berg co went out of business about 20-30 years ago so you can only find them used. there is some companies making chisels, plane irons and turning tools in eskletuna and I don't have the names with me at work.you could do a search on the internet and also look at web sites of people selling old tools, E.A.Berg is famous among pro wood workers. in the pictures of peoples shops in fine wood working most of the chisels in the back ground are bergs. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Fri Jan 4 06:51:01 2002 g04Cp0W22166 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:51:00 -0600 Subject: RE: Winding checks Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools LOL What a way to wake to a good laugh!! Thanks for the humor Pete -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Winding checks Kyle,Well, I gotta say I'm an Okie, NOT a redneck. Examples: I have allof my teeth (some are bridgework, but all there), I do NOT think a goodSaturday night out includes a bar room brawl, I have a real gas cap onmy Trooper & not a red shop rag, , my "church" clothes do not include aNFL logo sweatshirt and a B.A.S.S. ballcap, my idea of foreplay is not"Hey! You Awake???", I don't consider a bottle of "Skunk Cover Scent" agood birthday present, I don't look for dates at family reunions and Iwasn't related to any of my wives, have never dated a cousin or kissedmy sister! I do have one dead animal on the wall, but I think at least 6stuffed carcasses are required for official redneck certification. *S* Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Winding checks Hey Bob, Just wondering if you consider yourself a Redneck or and Okie, because thems is two different classes of peoples. I live near a town called Oildale that is chock full o' Okies and they are proud of it, you never make the mistake of calling them a Redneck. So, are you a Redneck or an Okie? [:)] Kyle In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 2:03:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Bob Nunley" writes: Pete,Necessary, no, but they do serve a purpose, purely cosmetic, in making a break point, so to speak, between the cork and the check wraps. Some of my rods have them, some do not, just depends on what the customer wants. Personally, I prefer a good, clean wrap right up to the cork and that's what all of my personal rods have, however, most of the rods I make for others have winding checks. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Peter Van Schaack" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:52 AMSubject: Winding checks Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete from saltwein@worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 4 06:59:38 2002 g04CxcW22453 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:59:38 -0600 Subject: Wayne Cattanach I am another who was encouraged and empowered by Wayne's input. Regards, SteveIndependence, MO from lkoeser@ceva.net Fri Jan 4 07:06:58 2002 g04D6wW22759 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:06:58 -0600 Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:59:30 -0500 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions If it is walnut burl, the pits are part of the beauty of the wood. I dip myfillers with 5 coats of varnish and let the pits show through.Lee----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions A few months ago I thought I saw a thread on reel seat stabilization withplexiglass dissolved in acetone and airplane dope. But I can not find thethread in the archives. Does anyone remember the formula and technique? I was able to get a chunk of beautiful walnut, but when turning the firstfew pieces I ended up with some small pits scattered here and therethroughout the blank. I am trying a number of techniques to fix them, andplan to stop turning and start sanding sooner on the next ones, but what can be done to get that smooth, glass like finish? Or should I even worry about it? Jeff from lkoeser@ceva.net Fri Jan 4 07:33:17 2002 g04DXHW23327 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:33:17 -0600 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:25:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Greatest Rodmakers type="multipart/alternative"; Clear DayIf one of the requirements of being the greatest rodmaker is =providing help to aspiring newbies or contributing to the body of common =knowledge, then everyone on this list is a candidate IMHO. I have =developed confidence in making rods by the fact that all you have =contributed in one way or the other, great or small, in providing the =necessary support. What rods look like or how they perform is secondary. =The desire to impart knowledge and the ability to do so is the true sign =of greatness.Lee Clear Day BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 25px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; COLOR:#0033cc; =FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica} If one of the requirements of being the greatest rodmaker is = to aspiring newbies or contributing to the body of common knowledge, = everyone on this list is a candidate IMHO. I have developed confidence = rods by the fact that all you have contributed in one way or the other, = perform is secondary. The desire to impart knowledge and the ability to = the true sign of greatness.Lee name="Clear Day Bkgrd.JPG" 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from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Fri Jan 4 08:13:46 2002 g04EDkW24106 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:13:46 -0600 IAA23462; IAA10347; g04EDZN05297; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:13:39 -0800 "'Bob Nunley'" , ttalsma@macatawa.org Subject: RE: snow what's and umbrella? Is that something a californicator carries? Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: snow Seattle is the only place I've ever lived where the Weather Forecastpredicts "Sun Breaks", if someone blows their horn at you it is because itis the point on last resort right before they hit you and you can tell whoall tourist are; they are the ones with umbrellas. The rest of us don't haveenough sense to come in out of the rain.Don----- Original Message ----- Schneider" Subject: RE: snow hell that's nothing, the other day the sun came out here in Seattle and everybody got scared and we all went down town and cut a calf on a rock.Pretty exciting. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Fri Jan 4 08:24:46 2002 g04EOkW24569 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:24:46 -0600 GAA10610; IAA12927; g04EOJN14521; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:24:24 -0800 pest.com,fbcwin@3g.quik.com, Rodmakers List-serv Subject: RE: Meeting in Nashville we heard that buffalo got 6' feet of snow cause Hillary moved to new yorkand every one knows she's so cold cause she has no heart. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Meeting in Nashville Be careful Joe, I heard they got four inches of snow down there today.Sounds like a federal disaster area.Buffalo Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Meeting in Nashville Harry: Wish I could come down there. I will be in Atlanta all week long, unlessthe weather down there doesn't clear up. Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bambooflyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker----- Original Message ----- Subject: Meeting in Nashville Hi y'all, Not trying to start another flame war about whether ornot we need a Rodmakers Guild, but anyone who DOES attendthe Rodbuilder's Guild Conclave in Nashville next week,please stop by my booth and say hello. Maybe we can make time for a cup of coffee. I'll bringmy own from Louisiana. Harry --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from harms1@pa.net Fri Jan 4 08:40:16 2002 g04EeFW25259 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:40:15 -0600 Subject: Re: Winding checks I do not like a winding check, but only for aesthetic reasons. As to thehook- keepers, I dislike the traditional strap and hoop kind because theyalways crush the hackle of a dry fly against the rod. I form my own keepers from a 2/0 black snake guide by using a couple tinypliers. I bend one of the feet down and back to lie parallel the other.Then I shape the remaining "loop" into a very small, narrow oblong. Inprofile, the keeper now looks like an open "J" lying on its side. Lastly, Igrind the feet down to form sharp, flat edges so that (with my littlepliers) I can slide the feet under the first cork along the surface of thecane. To mount the keeper, I use a dab of 5-minute epoxy, and slide the keeperseveral times into the little slit, pushing the epoxy in along with thefeet. I wrap the protruding keeper (which curls upward to hold the fly offthe cane) tightly with binding cord just to hold the small portion next tothe cork flat while the glue cures. Then I remove the string and I'm ready keeper until I reach a point where the keeper begins to curl upward. Then Ispiral the thread ahead and make several rather loose wraps. With myfingernail, I keep sliding these wraps back tighly against where I "leftoff." When varnished, the whole arrangement looks very smooth and neat. Because it is sort of tucked into the "corner" formed by the first cork, thekeeper seems not to be at all vulnerable. Some of my rods with this kind ofkeeper are now more than a decade old, and show no sign of wear orloosening. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Winding checks Hi Harry, I do not use hookeepers either. A real useless piece of metal.Marty Harry Boyd wrote: Marty, I personally never have used winding checks on bamboo, but I'mreconsidering that. Many of the better looking rods at the Gatherings ARE equipped with winding checks. When one can get knurling on the checkwhich matches the knurling on the reel seats, it does look nice. In fact, I think a Bellinger seat, check, and ferrules -- all with the same knurlpattern - - really looks sharp. Functionally, they add nothing. Butcosmetically they can make a difference. On a similar vein, I don't use hook keepers, ever. I feel they aredetrimental to the functionality of the rod, and prone to provide that rod with a shorter life span. Harry "Marty D." wrote: Not at all. I seldom use them except if the customer want them. Thiermain purpose was to hide a poor fit between cork and cane. Some peoplefeel they give a rod a more finished look. Marty Peter Van Schaack wrote: Are they necessary? Advantages / Disadvantages? Looking at the different rods some have them some don't. TIA, Pete --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from harms1@pa.net Fri Jan 4 08:52:53 2002 g04EqqW25882 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:52:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl Just to chime in with my expereince with the box elder, I have also hadexcellent results. Upon receiving the wood slabs, I cut them immediatelyinto 1" x 1" x 4" blocks (got about 65 of 'em). Like Tony, mine were alsoalmost "dripping-wet," and I wondered what was going to happen. Istrip-stacked all these little blocks and put them in a heated area of myattic, allowing just natural air-flow around them. Now, six weeks later, they are all dry as cork and just about as light asbalsa. The wood seems to be surprisingly stable, and only a handful of theblocks show signs of curling--but not enough to make a bit of difference. I have sanded the surface on a few of the blocks and "colored" them with avery pale maple stain--just enough to show off the beautiful grain. Thisstuff is absolutely gorgeous! Thanks, Eamon, cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Boxelder Burl Thought I would post this, it might help someothers that have this burl.As I mentioned several weeks ago I took theBoxelder slabs up to a hardwood place thatprocesses raw wood. The 1 1/2" thick slabs werechecked for moisture content and the meter wentoff scale. It was wet.I wanted to get the slabs dried out so I couldstart using the burl. They could not guaranteewhat the slabs would do in the kiln and thought itwould take at least two months or more to dryout.I decided to take my chances with it. Cut it upinto 1 1/2" X 1 1/2 X 4". Turned them down to 11/8" round. Placed them on a wire rack in theintake of my home heater duct. I have a heat pumpsystem. The burl rounds were in the duct right atthree weeks. Took six of them up today to get themoisture content checked and they checked at justover 6% I think he said. He said the burl couldnot get much dryer than it is now. Boxelder reallystinks when it is burned. Did not know what itwould do in the duct.I was concerned that the burl would smell up thehouse but much to my delight not a smell. SHMBOdid not know they were in there. I got lucky. Inow have 38 Burl blanks that I can start makinginserts with.My heater has run a lot the past couple of weeks,winter has hit Arkansas.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from harms1@pa.net Fri Jan 4 09:02:18 2002 g04F2IW26527 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:02:18 -0600 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions - now wood source Tim There are several good sources. Just type the word "burl" into your searchengine, and up will come a bunch of websites. As usual, some will be veryresponsive and some may not. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions - now wood source While we're on the subject of inserts and wood, is there a good source forwood on the internet. Pen blanks from Woodcrafters and the other shops are a tad on the smallside. WSSI is a source for the impregnated blanks, but I just haven't been able to find what seems like a good source for burls on the internet. Any suggestions? Tim from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Fri Jan 4 09:03:27 2002 g04F3QW26702 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:03:26 -0600 HAA04459; JAA03115; g04F3KN24405; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:03:24 -0800 "Coffey, Patrick W" ,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Plane blades g04F3RW26705 it's not so much as who made them, it's that the steel is from exkilstuna,incredible steel. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Plane blades I have a set of 8 Eskilstuna chisels in a wooden box that are about 50years old. The maker is Esteel. Don't know how they compare with Berg's,but they are mighty fine instruments. Shane. from baconrod@gsmrinc.com Fri Jan 4 09:21:55 2002 g04FLtW28451 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:21:55 -0600 Subject: Re: Great Rodmakers Marty and Others.I think that we are the wrong group to ask about this question Weshould ask Bob Corsetti, Bob Perry and others that collect and resale, whatthey think on this subject. My two cents worth, Old masters H.L.Leonard forstarting it all, The first to produce large quantities of split bamboo flyrods, and fostering the next generation of rod builders. The Paynes, TheEdwards,TheThomases,The Hawes ect. New makers John Bradford, AJ, Bob Nandothers for taking the art of bamboo rod building to the next level.Best Hal.----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Great Rodmakers My only real problem with Heddon is that I have only seen a couple thatthe ferrules fit well and did not need to be reseated. Not so withGranger. Have only seen a couple that the ferrules needed to bereseated. Best, Marty Allen Thramer wrote: I can't bring myself to limit the group to one maker. each had his ownvision of what his rods should be. If that was accomplished then thebuilder was successful. Some criteria. The rods should have been generally available, perfect rods made ofunobtainium does not cut it. They should have a sufficient body of work to judge the results. I will limit the test to only the work itself. Because he might havebeen president of a club or worked out of a solar heated cave doesn'tmean anything. The rods should have a combination of good tapers, decent cosmeticsand good durability. I will confine myself to only Golden age makers. As an aside , the rods produced even by the venerated J Payne wouldonly rate a grade of decent in todays rodmaking environment with itsemphasis on the cosmetic. He didn't worry about node spacing much atall, didn't fuss over watermarks in the cane either. The reason theyare so highly valued is because they are a well thought out fishinginstrument. I like the Grangers and Heddons of the world the best asthey produced extremely good fishing rods that most of america couldafford. Paynes, FE Thomas were great but out of reach for most.Leonard had problems with consistency as did Young. In addition theYoung tapers are elusive to many outside of the rodbuilding world.They are either loved or loathed. Gillums varied too. Dickerson Ilike, solid repectabe rods, well made at a fair price. If only BillPhillipson would have come up with a prettier reelseat, but they winbig in the fishing department. This is now too long and it is too late and I still have to glue upthis afternoons blank....A.J. _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from tfinger@services.state.mo.us Fri Jan 4 09:31:09 2002 g04FV8W29102 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:31:08 -0600 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:31:06 -0600 Comments: Authenticated sender is Organization: Missouri House of Representatives Subject: Winding checks/Hook keepers Regardless of how one feels about their functionality, my vote for the coolest hook keeper goes to the F.E. Thomas design that incorporates the hook keeper in the winding check. For those that haven't seen one, the keeper ring is held on a small NS post that is mounted on the knurled winding check. Very pleasing to my eye. Terry Fingertfinger@services.state.mo.us from dnorl@qwest.net Fri Jan 4 09:35:32 2002 g04FZVW29569 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:35:31 -0600 (63.228.45.130) Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl I did the same cutting to 1x1x4 I stacked them on my hot water heater thegentle warmth dryed them perfectly. Also have done the same with otherwetwood.Dave-----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl Just to chime in with my expereince with the box elder, I have also hadexcellent results. Upon receiving the wood slabs, I cut them immediatelyinto 1" x 1" x 4" blocks (got about 65 of 'em). Like Tony, mine were alsoalmost "dripping-wet," and I wondered what was going to happen. Istrip-stacked all these little blocks and put them in a heated area of myattic, allowing just natural air-flow around them. Now, six weeks later, they are all dry as cork and just about as light asbalsa. The wood seems to be surprisingly stable, and only a handful of theblocks show signs of curling--but not enough to make a bit of difference. I have sanded the surface on a few of the blocks and "colored" them with avery pale maple stain--just enough to show off the beautiful grain. Thisstuff is absolutely gorgeous! Thanks, Eamon, cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Spezio" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 5:47 PMSubject: Boxelder Burl Thought I would post this, it might help someothers that have this burl.As I mentioned several weeks ago I took theBoxelder slabs up to a hardwood place thatprocesses raw wood. The 1 1/2" thick slabs werechecked for moisture content and the meter wentoff scale. It was wet.I wanted to get the slabs dried out so I couldstart using the burl. They could not guaranteewhat the slabs would do in the kiln and thought itwould take at least two months or more to dryout.I decided to take my chances with it. Cut it upinto 1 1/2" X 1 1/2 X 4". Turned them down to 11/8" round. Placed them on a wire rack in theintake of my home heater duct. I have a heat pumpsystem. The burl rounds were in the duct right atthree weeks. Took six of them up today to get themoisture content checked and they checked at justover 6% I think he said. He said the burl couldnot get much dryer than it is now. Boxelder reallystinks when it is burned. Did not know what itwould do in the duct.I was concerned that the burl would smell up thehouse but much to my delight not a smell. SHMBOdid not know they were in there. I got lucky. Inow have 38 Burl blanks that I can start makinginserts with.My heater has run a lot the past couple of weeks,winter has hit Arkansas.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from lblan@provide.net Fri Jan 4 09:51:52 2002 g04FpoW00862 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:51:50 -0600 with HTTP id 8503166 for ; Fri, 04 Jan2002 10:51:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl Just goes to show that like many other aspects of rodmaking,there is more than one workable approach. I do suspect thatanything short of forced drying of the entire slab willrender usable wood for seats. Larry Blan On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:16:45 -0600"Dave Norling" wrote: I did the same cutting to 1x1x4 I stacked them on my hotwater heater thegentle warmth dryed them perfectly. Also have done thesame with other wetwood.Dave-----Original Message-----From: WILLIAM HARMS rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:53 AMSubject: Re: Boxelder Burl Just to chime in with my expereince with the box elder, I have also had excellent results. Upon receiving the wood slabs, I cut them immediately into 1" x 1" x 4" blocks (got about 65 of 'em). Like Tony, mine were also almost "dripping-wet," and I wondered what was going to happen. I strip-stacked all these little blocks and put them in a heated area of my attic, allowing just natural air-flow around them. Now, six weeks later, they are all dry as cork and just about as light as balsa. The wood seems to be surprisingly stable, and only a handful of the blocks show signs of curling--but not enough to make a bit of difference. I have sanded the surface on a few of the blocks and "colored" them with a very pale maple stain--just enough to show off the beautiful grain. This stuff is absolutely gorgeous! Thanks, Eamon, cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----From: "Tony Spezio" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 5:47 PMSubject: Boxelder Burl Thought I would post this, it might help someothers that have this burl.As I mentioned several weeks ago I took theBoxelder slabs up to a hardwood place thatprocesses raw wood. The 1 1/2" thick slabs werechecked for moisture content and the meter wentoff scale. It was wet.I wanted to get the slabs dried out so I couldstart using the burl. They could not guaranteewhat the slabs would do in the kiln and thought itwould take at least two months or more to dryout.I decided to take my chances with it. Cut it upinto 1 1/2" X 1 1/2 X 4". Turned them down to 11/8" round. Placed them on a wire rack in theintake of my home heater duct. I have a heat pumpsystem. The burl rounds were in the duct right atthree weeks. Took six of them up today to get themoisture content checked and they checked at justover 6% I think he said. He said the burl couldnot get much dryer than it is now. Boxelder reallystinks when it is burned. Did not know what itwould do in the duct.I was concerned that the burl would smell up thehouse but much to my delight not a smell. SHMBOdid not know they were in there. I got lucky. Inow have 38 Burl blanks that I can start makinginserts with.My heater has run a lot the past couple of weeks,winter has hit Arkansas.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 4 09:56:10 2002 g04Fu9W01301 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:56:09 -0600 id 16MWhV-0007Tn-00; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:56:09 -0500 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions Bob Nunley (see Bob's writeup in Power Fibers), and I use the plexiglasimpregnation. Bob uses just plexiglas disolved in acetone. I have previouslyused plexiglas disolved in acetone with a bottle of clear dope added but onthe batch I am working on, I am doing it without the dope. Here's how to doit. Break up a piece of plexiglas into pieces small enough to put in a jar. Addenough acetone to cover the plexiglas. Let it stand for a few days. If theamount is small, it will turn to a clear Kayro syrup looking mass in a couple ofdays. Enough for two or three gallons takes a mite longer. Just stir orshake often and you will get the clear "syrup". Dilute to a milk or light creamlike consistency. Thinner penetrates quicker. Bob just soaks his in thesolution. I just finished a chamber made from a pressure cooker so I canvacuum first add the solution and then compress. I plan on using a thickermixture to retain more plexiglas. I have been doing it one at a time using achamber made from a water pipe nipple. No vacuum, just 100 psi for 24hours. Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com lkoeser@ceva.net wrote: If it is walnut burl, the pits are part of the beauty of the wood. I dip my fillers with 5 coats of varnish and let the pits show through.Lee----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions A few months ago I thought I saw a thread on reel seat stabilization withplexiglass dissolved in acetone and airplane dope. But I can not find thethread in the archives. Does anyone remember the formula and technique? I was able to get a chunk of beautiful walnut, but when turning the firstfew pieces I ended up with some small pits scattered here and therethroughout the blank. I am trying a number of techniques to fix them, andplan to stop turning and start sanding sooner on the next ones, but what can be done to get that smooth, glass like finish? Or should I even worry about it? Jeff from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Jan 4 10:14:47 2002 g04GEkW02351 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:14:46 -0600 (authenticated) Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:16:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl Guys, I did things a little differently. I dried the chunks ofwood for a day or so with a small ceramic heater in a cardboardbox, then cut the pieces to 1x1.5x4 inch strips. All seem to bedrying quite nicely. I've impregnated some of the drier stripswith the plexi-acetone mixture, and been quite pleased with theresults. I've got an idea -- I've got literally hundreds of turningsquares ready to be made into reel seats, far more than I willever possibly use. Although I'll try to sell a few at upcomingshows, most will wind up in a corner of the workshop. Is anyoneinterested in swapping some insert blanks? I've got burledcherry, figured cherry, burl maple, walnut, Ash burl, bocote,padouk, bird's eye maple, etc, etc. Do any of you have a fewyou would like to swap for some of these? Harry lblan@provide.net wrote: Just goes to show that like many other aspects of rodmaking, -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Jan 4 10:17:37 2002 g04GHaW02647 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:17:36 -0600 (authenticated) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:19:14 -0800 Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl Oops, forgot to mention box elder burl, spalted maple, spalted redelm, claro walnut... and the list goes on and on. Harry Harry Boyd wrote: I've got an idea -- I've got literally hundreds of turningsquares ready to be made into reel seats, far more than I willever possibly use. Although I'll try to sell a few at upcomingshows, most will wind up in a corner of the workshop. Is anyoneinterested in swapping some insert blanks? I've got burledcherry, figured cherry, burl maple, walnut, Ash burl, bocote,padouk, bird's eye maple, etc, etc. Do any of you have a fewyou would like to swap for some of these? -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from jhewittiii@springsips.com Fri Jan 4 10:27:54 2002 g04GRrW03605 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:27:53 -0600 BYHU.star2.net Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:18:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Snow Southern Guys,I too wish I could lend you my snowblower, but it is in toomuch demand. Here in Steamboat Springs, Colorado we average over 300inches ofsnow a year! 500 inches in a good year!John Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/3/02 8:53:36 PM Central Standard Time,twilhelm@occasionalrod.com writes: been unavailable since Monday when they started to forcast it. Schoolsoutagain tomorrow and I think they have already scheduled counselors to helpthekids (and parents) get over it. >> Just pulling your chain fellers! BUT! counseling over 4 inches of snow? Wegot that last year before Halloween! Up north, they got a bunch! Only inthe South do they consider snow unnatural! O'course, Iowa is not the placeto find great chitterlings and grits either!Hope you all pull through in your hour of need! In seriousness, I realize that you guys do have a problem. Snow is mightydifficult if you are not equipped to deal with it. If I could send you my(so far unused!) new snowblower, i would happily do so! But "She who mustbeobeyed" would probably say no! We might need it! So far, sunny Iowa hasreceived about 1 inch where we live! Last year at this time it was 30inches! mark from dpeaston@wzrd.com Fri Jan 4 10:32:10 2002 g04GW9W03939 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:32:09 -0600 Subject: RE: Finishing Porous Woods (Was Stabilizing . . .) Hi All, First, let us hope for a new year, better than the last one! Also, I ran across an article in the latest issue (Feb. 2002, p46) of "Fine Wood Working," by Lon Schlenning, which provides a really neat way to deal with open grains like walnut and mahogany using spar varnish and sandpaper. Here is a brief description of the procedure. First coat. Use McCloskey Man O' War spar varnish thinned 3:1 (varnish:thinner).Flood the surface (hand rub with vinyl gloves) with thinned varnish. Sand the varnished surface (wet) with 220 grit wet or dry paper until a slurry forms over the surface. Wipe with a clean, dry, lint-free cloth. Buff as though you were using an antique oil. Dry overnight. Second coat. Sand (dry) with 320 grit (non-loading) paper. Clean off dust with tack rag. Repeat flood coat with undiluted varnish. Sand with 320 grit wet or dry. Additional coats: Repeat second coat procedure. Use finer wet or dry paper each time. This will yield a lusterous "semi-gloss" finish in which the pores in the wood have been filled by the sanded wood (a natural filler). One could probably lightly sand and follow with a gloss finish applied by the conventional methods of brushing or dipping. Warning! I have not tried this yet. I am restoring an Edwards with a walnut reel seat insert and I will try the method. I will report on the results later. -Doug At 08:48 PM 1/3/2002 -0500, Larry Blan wrote: Walnut is an open grained wood. You are not going to get a glassy finishunless you use something to fill the pores in the wood. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:19 PM Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions A few months ago I thought I saw a thread on reel seat stabilization withplexiglass dissolved in acetone and airplane dope. But I can not find thethread in the archives. Does anyone remember the formula andtechnique? I was able to get a chunk of beautiful walnut, but when turning the firstfew pieces I ended up with some small pits scattered here and therethroughout the blank. I am trying a number of techniques to fix them,andplan to stop turning and start sanding sooner on the next ones,but what canbe done to get that smooth, glass like finish? Or should I evenworry aboutit? Jeff Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Fri Jan 4 10:41:41 2002 g04GfeW04623 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:41:40 -0600 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:38:53 -0600 pri.pacificare.com (Tumbleweed ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:41:31 -0800 Subject: Sears = Stanley? I was in Sears last night, and as I was checking out the tool dept. I lookedat the planes. They had a No. 3 sized bench plane so I took it out of it'sbox, and darned if it doesn't look exactly like a Stanley bench plane -Stanley must be the actual maker of this plane - and it's only $31.99. Theonly difference I can see is the rather garish paint job, a red lever capand blue base. At that price the replacement Hock or Lie-Nielsen blade willcost more than the plane itself.Darryl Hayashida Please excuse the verbiage that follows. I am sending this from work and ourlegal dept. puts it in automatically. This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from jojo@ipa.net Fri Jan 4 10:42:44 2002 g04GgiW04782 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:42:44 -0600 helo=default) id 16MXQX-000230-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:42:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Winding checks I have a friend with whom I used to do a lot of bar hopping back in myyouth. Bill never looked for trouble in a bar, but for some reason peoplejust wanted to fight Bill. Once, Bill's sitting at the table drinking hisbeer, has spoken to no one in the bar, and this guy walks up and tells himthat he doesn't like he way Bill looks, that he thinks he'll just whip hisa**. Bill says, "Excuse me?", and the guy repeats himself. Bill came up outof that chair, and kept coming out of the chair, and the guy's eyes getbigger and bigger, then he says, "Man, I'm sorry. I don't know what the hellI was thinking. Please forgive me, and go back to drinking your beer." Oneof the funniest things I've ever seen.There were numerous other times with Bill when it became a matter offighting our way out of the bar. I never have figured out what it was aboutBill that made other people want to fight him. To do so was about as sillyas picking on Nunley. The best time to get Nunley would be when he's out inthe shop, right after he has maimed himself for the umpteenth time, and isnearly out for the count -- like when he's working on his lathe. M-D Bob,who the HELL would want to brawl with you??? You look like a bear and havehands like catcher's mits. Anybody stupid enough to want to pick you needshelp BEFORE you get to him. At 03:06 PM 1/3/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Kyle,Well, I gotta say I'm an Okie, NOT a redneck. Examples: I have all of my teeth (some are bridgework, but all there), I do NOT think a goodSaturday night out includes a bar room brawl, I have a real gas cap on my from jojo@ipa.net Fri Jan 4 10:46:09 2002 g04Gk9W05182 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:46:09 -0600 helo=default) id 16MXTr-00022s-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:46:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Sears = Stanley? I have one old Craftsman plane from the 50's, a 91/2 type, that wasobviouslymade by Stanley. M-D I was in Sears last night, and as I was checking out the tool dept. I looked at the planes. They had a No. 3 sized bench plane so I took it out of it'sbox, and darned if it doesn't look exactly like a Stanley bench plane -Stanley must be the actual maker of this plane - and it's only $31.99. Theonly difference I can see is the rather garish paint job, a red lever capand blue base. At that price the replacement Hock or Lie-Nielsen blade will cost more than the plane itself.Darryl Hayashida from lblan@provide.net Fri Jan 4 10:48:34 2002 g04GmXW05554 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:48:33 -0600 with HTTP id 8507332; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:48:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Finishing Porous Woods (Was Stabilizing . . .) With the substitution of a rubbing oil for the varnish, thisis the classic method for finishing gun stocks. Works like acharm. Done properly, it will leave a 100% filled surface. Larry Blan On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:32:15 -0500"Douglas P. Easton" wrote: Hi All, First, let us hope for a new year, better than the lastone! Also, I ran across an article in the latest issue (Feb.2002, p46) of "Fine Wood Working," by Lon Schlenning, which provides areally neat way to deal with open grains like walnut and mahogany using sparvarnish and sandpaper. Here is a brief description of the procedure. First coat. Use McCloskey Man O' War spar varnishthinned 3:1 (varnish:thinner).Flood the surface (hand rub with vinyl gloves) withthinned varnish. Sand the varnished surface (wet) with 220 grit wet or drypaper until a slurry forms over the surface. Wipe with a clean, dry, lint-freecloth. Buff as though you were using an antique oil. Dry overnight. Second coat. Sand (dry) with 320 grit (non-loading)paper. Clean off dust with tack rag. Repeat flood coat with undiluted varnish.Sand with 320 grit wet or dry. Additional coats: Repeat second coat procedure. Use finerwet or dry paper each time. This will yield a lusterous "semi-gloss" finish in whichthe pores in the wood have been filled by the sanded wood (a naturalfiller). One could probably lightly sand and follow with a gloss finishapplied by the conventional methods of brushing or dipping. Warning! I have not tried this yet. I am restoring anEdwards with a walnut reel seat insert and I will try the method. I will reporton the results later. -Doug At 08:48 PM 1/3/2002 -0500, Larry Blan wrote: Walnut is an open grained wood. You are not going to get a glassy finish unless you use something to fill the pores in the wood. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Jeff Schaeffer Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:19 PM Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions A few months ago I thought I saw a thread on reel seat stabilization with plexiglass dissolved in acetone and airplane dope. But I can not find the thread in the archives. Does anyone remember the formula and technique? I was able to get a chunk of beautiful walnut, but when turning the first few pieces I ended up with some small pits scattered here and there throughout the blank. I am trying a number of techniques to fix them, and plan to stop turning and start sanding sooner on the next ones, but what canbe done to get that smooth, glass like finish? Or should I even worry aboutit? Jeff Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from dryfly@erols.com Fri Jan 4 10:52:46 2002 g04GqjW06025 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:52:45 -0600 ([208.58.203.91] helo=erols.com) id 16MXaG-00070Q-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:52:45 -0500 Subject: To re-heat treat or not to re-heat treat, that is the question! Last night I found a bound set of set of beveled strips (a pleasantsurprise) that I had heat treated sometime last spring (I pretty much domost of my building between January and June - it's nice to have a break with desiccant but I'm unsure whether I should heat treat the stripsagain, maybe for a shorter amount of time or if they are okay to planeas is. Any suggestions or thoughts? ThanksBob from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Fri Jan 4 10:58:33 2002 g04GwXW06581 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:58:33 -0600 KAA25599 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:58:32 - Subject: Re: Boxelder Burl My dad told of tapping box elder trees for sap in the spring,real sugar maples being scarce on the farm. It made pretty poorsyrup, but people were hungier then.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. from jerryy@webtv.net Fri Jan 4 11:13:49 2002 g04HDnW07649 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:13:49 -0600 by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with 2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA16960; ETAsAhQwbH9pXwY5BfVPmeE859D/3s2LvAIUIt8E4L59GeP8pWUsUXUFpqjHteY= Subject: Re: To re-heat treat or not to re-heat treat, that is the question! 2002 11:45:10 -0800 Robert - I keep a five foot long 2 1/2" PVC tube hanging from theceiling. Under it is a piece of 2 x 8 with a lamp socket. Use a largecoffee can with both ends cut out, cut out a hole in the plastic lid forthe pvc tube. Use a clear 60 watt bulb.........it gives me 90 plusdegrees. Use it all the time I am working on strips. Especially afterplaning wet strips in the rough. Leave them overnight before they go inthe oven for tempering. I believe high temps will damage wet strips.Don't use a frosted bulb, you wont get as high a temp. .......Ask mewhy.I only use the tubes to store strips for long duration. Best regards, from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Fri Jan 4 11:42:36 2002 g04HgaW09208 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:42:36 -0600 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:39:42 -0600 pri.pacificare.com (Tumbleweed ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:42:22 -0800 Subject: RE: Sears = Stanley? I looked at the Sears web site and you can order the plane online.www.sears.comDarryl I was in Sears last night, and as I was checking out the tool dept. I looked at the planes. They had a No. 3 sized bench plane so I took it out of it's box, and darned if it doesn't look exactly like a Stanley bench plane -Stanley must be the actual maker of this plane - and it's only $31.99. The only difference I can see is the rather garish paint job, a red lever cap and blue base. At that price the replacement Hock or Lie-Nielsen blade will cost more than the plane itself.Darryl Hayashida Please excuse the verbiage that follows. I am sending this from work and ourlegal dept. puts it in automatically. This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from saweiss@flash.net Fri Jan 4 11:45:07 2002 g04Hj6W09492 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:45:06 -0600 g04Hj19238218 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:45:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Finishing Porous Woods (Was Stabilizing . . .) Organization: Prodigy Internet A friend of mine, who is a maker of custom rifle stocks, wet sands withpolymerized tung oil. This procedure creates a slurry that fills the grainand the oil penetrates the wood before it dries. I will be trying thistechnique on some of my fillers.Steve from saweiss@flash.net Fri Jan 4 11:45:08 2002 g04Hj8W09505 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:45:08 -0600 g04Hj39341684 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:45:03 -0500 Subject: Re: To re-heat treat or not to re-heat treat, that is the question! Organization: Prodigy Internet Bob,I would just use them without heat treating again. The first treatment setsthe changes in the lignin and that's supposed to be irreversible.Steve from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Fri Jan 4 13:46:53 2002 g04JkqW14465 Subject: Re: Winding Check Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools Wow what a thread! The rod I'm refinishing had one, I lengthened thecork to 6.5" (old one full wells and about 5" long) now the check isloose fitting, so I will go with out. Interesting about hook keepers, usually leave them off. Trick I use for leaders so the loops / knots don't get caught in theguides is to heat a needle and slide into end of fly line to create ahole 1/4-1/2" long, then a dab of crazy glue or epoxy on the leader buttand slide in. Pete from mrmac@tcimet.net Fri Jan 4 13:47:14 2002 g04JlDW14499 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:47:13 -0600 helo=tcimet.net) id 16MaJ5-0005uv-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:47:12 -0800 Subject: re: stabilizing OK, I'll have to yield to the temptation and ask since I can't find it,and PowerFibres doesn't want to load right now. When you soak the reel seat, do you do that while it is still 1" x 1",or do you first turn it pretty close to size? How much penetration doesthe acetone/plexiglas achieve? thanks - mac from bob@downandacross.com Fri Jan 4 14:30:50 2002 g04KUoW16831 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:30:50 -0600 Subject: RE: stabilizing Mac:The server is very messed up, and I cannot seem to get it figured out. theyare working on it at the hosting place. I could send you anything you need did them over. Hopefully it will all be fixed by the 15th when the new onecomes out.Thanks, and sorry,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: re: stabilizing OK, I'll have to yield to the temptation and ask since I can't find it,and PowerFibres doesn't want to load right now. When you soak the reel seat, do you do that while it is still 1" x 1",or do you first turn it pretty close to size? How much penetration doesthe acetone/plexiglas achieve? thanks - mac from rcurry@ttlc.net Fri Jan 4 15:26:08 2002 g04LQ8W19739 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:26:08 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Gary LaFontaine died I heard that Gary LaFontaine died today. Unfortunately, I never had the honor to meet the man, but I was able to appreciate his whimsey through the Bookmailer. He must have been a man of tremendous courage for he kept his sense of humor until the ALS ended his life.-- Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ >From v4.1.60/v4178. . Clean. Processed in 1.793528 secs); 04 Jan 200223:14:59 -0000 Received: from du133.cli.ptd.net (HELO ptd.net) 23:14:57 -0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Jan2002 17:59:07 -0500 From: "Marty D." User-Agent:Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Winding checks References: Content-Type: Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------ ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think there are quitea few people in bars that grow what are called "beer muscles". At least I haveseen them more than once. Marty Jojo DeLancier wrote: I have a friend with whom I used to do a lot of bar hopping back in myyouth. Bill never looked for trouble in a bar, but for some reason peoplejust wanted to fight Bill. Once, Bill's sitting at the table drinking hisbeer, has spoken to no one in the bar, and this guy walks up and tells himthat he doesn't like he way Bill looks, that he thinks he'll just whip hisa**. Bill says, "Excuse me?", and the guy repeats himself. Bill came up outof that chair, and kept coming out of the chair, and the guy's eyes getbigger and bigger, then he says, "Man, I'm sorry. I don't know what the hellI was thinking. Please forgive me, and go back to drinking your beer." Oneof the funniest things I've ever seen.There were numerous other times with Bill when it became a matter offighting our way out of the bar. I never have figured out what it was aboutBill that made other people want to fight him. To do so was about as sillyas picking on Nunley. The best time to get Nunley would be when he's out inthe shop, right after he has maimed himself for the umpteenth time, and isnearly out for the count -- like when he's working on his lathe. M-D From: "Tony Young" Bob,who the HELL would want to brawl with you??? You look like a bear andhavehands like catcher's mits. Anybody stupid enough to want to pick youneedshelp BEFORE you get to him. At 03:06 PM 1/3/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Kyle,Well, I gotta say I'm an Okie, NOT a redneck. Examples: I have all of my teeth (some are bridgework, but all there), I do NOT think a goodSaturday night out includes a bar room brawl, I have a real gas cap on my --------------020802040405050300040509 I think there are quite a few people in bars that grow what are called "beermuscles". At least I have seen them more than once. Marty Jojo DeLancier wrote: I have a friend with whom I used to do a lot of bar hopping backin myyouth. Bill never looked for trouble in a bar, but for some reasonpeoplejust wanted to fight Bill. Once, Bill's sitting at the table drinkinghisbeer, has spoken to no one in the bar, and this guy walks up and tellshimthat he doesn't like he way Bill looks, that he thinks he'll just whiphisa**. Bill says, "Excuse me?", and the guy repeats himself. Bill cameup outof that chair, and kept coming out of the chair, and the guy'seyes getbigger and bigger, then he says, "Man, I'm sorry. I don't knowwhat the hellI was thinking. Please forgive me, and go back to drinkingyour beer." Oneof the funniest things I've ever seen.There werenumerous other times with Bill when it became a matter offighting ourway out of the bar. I never have figured out what it was aboutBill thatmade other people want to fight him. To do so was about as sillyas picking on Nunley. The best time to get Nunley would be when he's out intheshop, right after he has maimed himself for the umpteenth time, andisnearly out for the count -- like when he's working on his Bob,who the HELL would want to brawl with you??? Youlook like a bear and havehands like catcher's mits. Anybody stupidenough to want to pick you needshelp BEFORE you get tohim. At 03:06 PM 1/3/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Kyle, Well, I gotta say I'm an Okie, NOT a redneck. Examples: I have all of my teeth (some are bridgework, but all there), I do NOT think agoodSaturday night out includes a bar room brawl, I have a real gas capon my --------------020802040405050300040509-- from jojo@ipa.net Fri Jan 4 17:31:48 2002 g04NVmW24035 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:31:48 -0600 helo=default) id 16MdoM-0003uM-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:31:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Winding checks Probably right, Marty, but crimineez, to have imagined grown enough =muscles to want to take on Bill, or Nunley, is to have imagined =attaining the status of Super Man -- not a thing conducive to one's =continued good health. M-D I think there are quite a few people in bars that grow what are called ="beer muscles". At least I have seen them more than once. Marty Jojo DeLancier wrote: I have a friend with whom I used to do a lot of bar hopping back in =myyouth. Bill never looked for trouble in a bar, but for some reason =peoplejust wanted to fight Bill. Once, Bill's sitting at the table =drinking hisbeer, has spoken to no one in the bar, and this guy walks up =and tells himthat he doesn't like he way Bill looks, that he thinks =he'll just whip hisa**. Bill says, "Excuse me?", and the guy repeats =himself. Bill came up outof that chair, and kept coming out of the =chair, and the guy's eyes getbigger and bigger, then he says, "Man, I'm =sorry. I don't know what the hellI was thinking. Please forgive me, and =go back to drinking your beer." Oneof the funniest things I've ever =seen.There were numerous other times with Bill when it became a matter =offighting our way out of the bar. I never have figured out what it was =aboutBill that made other people want to fight him. To do so was about =as sillyas picking on Nunley. The best time to get Nunley would be when he's out inthe =shop, right after he has maimed himself for the umpteenth time, and =isnearly out for the count -- like when he's working on his =lathe.M-DFrom: "Tony Young" Bob,who the HELL would want to brawl with you??? You look like a bear =and havehands like catcher's mits. Anybody stupid enough to want to pick =you needshelp BEFORE you get to him. At 03:06 PM 1/3/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote:Kyle, Well, I gotta say I'm an Okie, NOT a redneck. Examples: I =have allofmy teeth (some are bridgework, but all there), I do NOT think a =goodSaturday night out includes a bar room brawl, I have a real gas cap =on my Probably right, = crimineez, to have imagined grown enough muscles to want to take on = Nunley, is to have imagined attaining the status of Super Man = thing conducive to one's continued good health. M-D Marty =D. there are quite a few people in bars that grow what are called "beer = At least I have seen them more than once. MartyJojo wrote:I have a friend with whom I used to do a =lot of bar hopping back in myyouth. Bill never looked for trouble in =a bar, but for some reason peoplejust wanted to fight Bill. Once, =Bill's sitting at the table drinking hisbeer, has spoken to no one =in the bar, and this guy walks up and tells himthat he doesn't like =he way Bill looks, that he thinks he'll just whip hisa**. Bill says, ="Excuse me?", and the guy repeats himself. Bill came up outof that =chair, and kept coming out of the chair, and the guy's eyes =getbigger and bigger, then he says, "Man, I'm sorry. I don't know =what the hellI was thinking. Please forgive me, and go back to =drinking your beer." Oneof the funniest things I've ever =seen.There were numerous other times with Bill when it became a =matter offighting our way out of the bar. I never have figured out =what it was aboutBill that made other people want to fight him. To =do so was about as sillyas picking on Nunley. The best time to get Nunley would be when he's out =inthe shop, right after he has maimed himself for the umpteenth =time, and isnearly out for the count -- like when he's working on = Bob,who the HELL would=want to brawl with you??? You look like a bear and havehands like =catcher's mits. Anybody stupid enough to want to pick you needshelp =BEFORE you get to him.At 03:06 PM 1/3/02 -0600,=Bob Nunley wrote:Kyle, Well, I =gotta say I'm an Okie, NOT a redneck. Examples: I have =allof my teeth (some are =bridgework, but all there), I do NOT think a goodSaturday night out =includes a bar room brawl, I have a real gas cap on =my from JNL123141@msn.com Fri Jan 4 17:51:36 2002 g04NpZW24607 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:51:35 -0600 Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:51:26 -0800 ,"'Don Schneider'" ,"RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: snow FILETIME=[B8EC7EE0:01C1957A] My daughter lived in Seattle for 3 years but after 94 straight days of r=ain a couple of years ago, she couldn't take it any more and moved to Den=ver and is loving it there. Her gills fell off 30 days later...... John daugh=ter lived in Seattle for 3 years but after 94 straight days of rain a cou= from rmoon@ida.net Fri Jan 4 17:54:18 2002 g04NsHW24827 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:54:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Gary LaFontaine died Reed, I did know Gary, and I shall really mourn the death of my friend.There are so many adjectives that describe Gary's qualities, it would behard to list them all. Let it suffice that I can not think of a singleword against him. Ralph Reed Curry wrote: I heard that Gary LaFontaine died today. Unfortunately, I never had thehonor to meet the man, but I was able to appreciate his whimsey throughthe Bookmailer. He must have been a man of tremendous courage for hekept his sense of humor until the ALS ended his life.--Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ --?IôO from JNL123141@msn.com Fri Jan 4 17:54:28 2002 g04NsQW24843 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:54:26 -0600 Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:54:21 -0800 "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: Plane blades FILETIME=[212F2B60:01C1957B] Isn't the Sheffield factory in England closed and don't the former male=employees survive by doing Full Monties? John from JNL123141@msn.com Fri Jan 4 18:07:56 2002 g0507tW26193 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:07:55 -0600 Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:07:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Greatest Rodmaker FILETIME=[FE7B2090:01C1957C] Tim,Bill made cane rods for over 60 years but never sold a single rod. His b=rother, Fred, was also a rodmaker in his later years and also never sold =a rod. They both gave them away and donated countless rod for various fu=nd raisers. Neither Bill nor Fred thought cosmetics or high quality hard=ware were important. The taper is the only thing that mattered to them w=hich probably kept them from getting "famous," but they didn't give a hoo=t about that either. Just guys doing their thing. However, Bill was esp=ecially proud of his "V" block and that made him feel he made a significa=nt contribution to our craft. Many of the other gadgets he came up with =were sort of out of necessity- not having two thumbs and only two fingers =on his left hand. John ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Greatest Rodmaker --- ...speaking of which...bill waara's name is not to beoverlooked. was there ever a waara taper that was notfirst rate, nor a senior builder that was not moreaccessable and intrested in a novice? ..and as aninventor he was the gaget king. timothy "Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.yahoo.com = hing that mattered to them which probably kept them from getting"famous,= nbsp; Many of the other gadgets he came up with were sort of out of neces= Original Message ----- From: timothy troester Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:19PM = RodmakersPo=st Subject: Re: GreatestRod= name is not to beoverlooked. was there ever a waara taper that wasno=tfirst rate, nor a senior builder that was not moreaccessable and= mornin', mist=er bear!"...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If yo=u seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe_________________________________=_________________Do You Yahoo!?Send your FREE holidaygreetings o=nline!http://greetings.yahoo.com from JNL123141@msn.com Fri Jan 4 18:34:15 2002 g050YEW28783 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:34:14 -0600 Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:34:09 -0800 "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: Gary LaFontaine died FILETIME=[B0758990:01C19580] I had the memorable pleasure of meeting Gary at the Southfield Expo a num=ber of years ago, I believe before he was diagnosed with the ALS. He was=such a nice person and was taken much to soon. A true talent is gone. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Gary LaFontaine died I heard that Gary LaFontaine died today. Unfortunately, I never had thehonor to meet the man, but I was able to appreciate his whimsey throughthe Bookmailer. He must have been a man of tremendous courage for hekept his sense of humor until the ALS ended his life.--Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ I had thememo=rable pleasure of meeting Gary at the Southfield Expo a number of years a= talent= ----- Original Message ----- From: ReedCurry Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002= Subject: Gary LaFontaine died ver had thehonor to meet the man, but I was able to appreciate his wh=imsey throughthe Bookmailer. He must have been a man of tremendousco=urage for hekept his sense of humor until the ALS ended his life.=-- Bestregards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from edriddle@mindspring.com Fri Jan 4 18:39:19 2002 g050dJW29456 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:39:19 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16Merh-0006re-00; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 19:39:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Gary LaFontaine died Reed:I appreciate the info, sad though it be. I never met him either but hisbooks and videos have been roundly applauded and his humor as included in"the Book Mailer" newsletter was always a pleasure that I looked forward to. The people we admire the most don't live the longest, or so it seems...andhe proved to me you could enjoy trout fishing with your dog. This round's onme Gary!!Ed----- Original Message ----- Subject: Gary LaFontaine died I heard that Gary LaFontaine died today. Unfortunately, I never had thehonor to meet the man, but I was able to appreciate his whimsey throughthe Bookmailer. He must have been a man of tremendous courage for hekept his sense of humor until the ALS ended his life.--Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from gjm80301@yahoo.com Fri Jan 4 21:09:46 2002 g0539jW08545 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:09:46 -0600 Jan 2002 19:09:45 PST Subject: Re: Art of Angling Journal 1010200185=:44920" --0-1869196179-1010200185=:44920 If you like Gordon's article, you might be interested to know he recentlypublished a book "Notes form an old fly box". I talked with him the othernight. Only 2000 were printed and over half are gone. I haven't raed it yet,but he read a few passages at our TU meeting and they were excellent.Gordon is an elegant man of about 75 with the attitude of a 30- year old.Jerry "D.P. Van Burgel & K.J. Scott" wrote: Listers, We're just back from a week off the List to travel, so please excuse thispost if this new journal was discussed while we were away. We recieved the premier issue/subscription to the Art of Angling Journallast week. It's a square bound, glossy quarterly. This issue had a nicearticle entitled The Rise of the Crafts by Gordon Wickstrom, which focuseson thoughts about why people like bamboo rodmakers do what they do, andthere's an article/pics on/of Daryll Whitehead. A little closer to home,there's some great photos of Carrie Stevens' flies. Just FYI... usual disclaimers.Happy New Year, David and Kathy ---------------------------------Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail.--0-1869196179-1010200185=:44920 If you like Gordon's article, you might be interested to know he recently haven't raed it yet, but he read a few passages at our TU meeting and theywere excellent.Gordon is an elegant man of about 75 with the attitude of a 30-year old.Jerry Listers,We're just back from a week off theList to travel, so please excuse thispost if this new journal wasdiscussed while we were away.We recieved the premierissue/subscription to the Art of Angling Journallast week. It's a squarebound, glossy quarterly. This issue had a nicearticle entitled The Rise ofthe Crafts by Gordon Wickstrom, which focuseson thoughts about whypeople like bamboo rodmakers do what they do, andthere's anarticle/pics on/of Daryll Whitehead. A little closer to home,there'ssome great photos of Carrie Stevens' flies.Just FYI... usualdisclaimers.Happy New Year,David andKathyDo YouYahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo!Mail.--0- 1869196179-1010200185=:44920-- from bob@downandacross.com Fri Jan 4 21:28:58 2002 g053SvW10319 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:28:57 -0600 Subject: RE: Gary LaFontaine died Reed and Ralph:Your words are truly touching. Gary was such a fantastic author andcontributor to our sport. Having only seen him on video and tv, I got thesense that he was a fantastically knowledgeable and funny man. I stillremember clearly the day that Joe P and I ran into author Rick Kustich onstream during the Hendrickson hatch. I told him that I had read Gary'sglowing review of Rick's new book in the Bookmailer. Rick had a grin fromear to ear. I knew that it meant the world to him to have Gary respect hiswriting. That spoke volumes about Gary's greatness to me.My thoughts and prayers are with his family and with his friends who will besadly missing him,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Gary LaFontaine died Reed, I did know Gary, and I shall really mourn the death of my friend.There are so many adjectives that describe Gary's qualities, it would behard to list them all. Let it suffice that I can not think of a singleword against him. Ralph Reed Curry wrote: I heard that Gary LaFontaine died today. Unfortunately, I never had thehonor to meet the man, but I was able to appreciate his whimsey throughthe Bookmailer. He must have been a man of tremendous courage for hekept his sense of humor until the ALS ended his life.--Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ --?IôO from rmoon@ida.net Fri Jan 4 21:55:16 2002 g053tFW11285 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:55:15 -0600 Subject: Re: Gary LaFontaine died --------------BFD06AF3EBB106E8949D0A2F I can't help relating a little vignette of the first time I met Gary. AlthoughI had earned part of my living from writing, I was only published innewspapers. However, I wrote a "where to" article about my favorite browntoutstream. I put it in a file, and except for a semiannual review of it never didanything more. Gary was scheduled to speak at a meeting of the Stone flySociety of the Wasatch, and since I had been an admirer of his writing, Idecided to attend and get an autograph on his first book. We got to talkingandI told him of my Color County Browns and stupidly asked him if I should try tofind a publisher for the article. He replied, "you will never know if someonewill buy it unless you send it to someone" A pretty obvious statement' but ittaught me a lot. It taught me to have more confidence in myself; it taughtmeto quit second guessing others, and it taught me that a friend can chide sogently that I did not even know it. Such was the man. Ralph Bob Maulucci wrote: Reed and Ralph:Your words are truly touching. Gary was such a fantastic author andcontributor to our sport. Having only seen him on video and tv, I got thesense that he was a fantastically knowledgeable and funny man. I stillremember clearly the day that Joe P and I ran into author Rick Kustich onstream during the Hendrickson hatch. I told him that I had read Gary'sglowing review of Rick's new book in the Bookmailer. Rick had a grin fromear to ear. I knew that it meant the world to him to have Gary respect hiswriting. That spoke volumes about Gary's greatness to me.My thoughts and prayers are with his family and with his friends who will besadly missing him,Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:53 PM Cc: rodSubject: Re: Gary LaFontaine died Reed, I did know Gary, and I shall really mourn the death of my friend.There are so many adjectives that describe Gary's qualities, it would behard to list them all. Let it suffice that I can not think of a singleword against him. Ralph Reed Curry wrote: I heard that Gary LaFontaine died today. Unfortunately, I never had thehonor to meet the man, but I was able to appreciate his whimsey throughthe Bookmailer. He must have been a man of tremendous courage for hekept his sense of humor until the ALS ended his life.--Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ --?IôO --?IôO --------------BFD06AF3EBB106E8949D0A2F Although I had earned part of my living from writing, I was only published favorite at a meeting of the Stone fly Society of the Wasatch, and since I had beenan admirer of his writing, I decided to attend and get an autograph on Browns and stupidly asked him if I should try to find a publisher for was the man.RalphBob Maulucci wrote:Reed and Ralph:Your words are truly touching. Gary was such a fantastic author andcontributor to our sport. Having only seen him on video and tv, I gotthesense that he was a fantastically knowledgeable and funny man. I stillremember clearly the day that Joe P and I ran into author Rick Kustichonstream during the Hendrickson hatch. I told him that I had read Gary'sglowing review of Rick's new book in the Bookmailer. Rick had a grinfromear to ear. I knew that it meant the world to him to have Gary respecthiswriting. That spoke volumes about Gary's greatness to me.My thoughts and prayers are with his family and with his friends whowill besadly missing him,Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]OnBehalf Of Ralph W. MoonSent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:53 PM Cc: rodSubject: Re: Gary LaFontaine died friend.There are so many adjectives that describe Gary's qualities, it wouldbe a singleword against him.RalphReed Curry wrote:I heard that Gary LaFontaine died today. Unfortunately, I never hadthehonor to meet the man, but I was able to appreciate his whimseythroughthe Bookmailer. He must have been a man of tremendous courage forhekept his sense of humor until the ALS ended his life.--Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/-- ÐÏࡱ --ÐÏࡱá --------------BFD06AF3EBB106E8949D0A2F-- from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 5 07:33:54 2002 g05DXrW18960 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:33:53 -0600 Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:35:06 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: To re-heat treat or not to re-heat treat, that is the question! Bob,I would most definitely do some sort of drying on the strips.Personally when I get into that kind of jam I'll hang the strips in myheated drying cabinet for several days.If you build with wet strips the rod will take sets (to a varyingdegree depending on just how wet they are). I had one unfinished blank thathad seen several temp. changes (one of the downfalls of working betweenthehouse and a unheated Canadian winter workshop) which you could flex the tipand it would hold the curve when released, a week in the drying cabinetbefore varnishing and it was crisp and responsive again. I'll even throw myrods in there sometimes after a long day fishing, like that happens oftenlately ;^) to drive off any moisture before putting it away.If you don't have a drying cabinet I would put in your oven at a lowtemp for a longer than normal time. Also keep in mind that desiccant shouldbe rejuvenated frequently to be effective.just my opinion,Shawn Robert S Williams wrote: Last night I found a bound set of set of beveled strips (a pleasantsurprise) that I had heat treated sometime last spring (I pretty much domost of my building between January and June - it's nice to have a break with desiccant but I'm unsure whether I should heat treat the stripsagain, maybe for a shorter amount of time or if they are okay to planeas is. Any suggestions or thoughts? ThanksBob from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 5 07:43:18 2002 g05DhHW19268 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:43:17 -0600 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Poor Mans Quad Hi all,not being a nodeless type of guy, and having lots of sparelone strips of bamboo and components not "worthy" of my for sale rods(or my personal ones..he he he) I am contemplating trying a PMQ to useup some of the pieces and build a rod for my daughter for spring thaw.I was thinking of trying the Sir D 7' 4 wt (but I'm open to other tapers) and what if any adjustments should be made from a forstrip quad to the 2 strip quad??I'd also like to hear your experiences building these 2 stripmarvels,Thanks,Shawn from bob@downandacross.com Sat Jan 5 07:56:36 2002 g05DuZW19645 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:56:35 -0600 5 Jan 2002 08:56:29 -0500 Subject: Don Burns. are you out there? OTHERS PLEASE DELETE Don, could you get a hold of me by e-mail?Thanks,Bob from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Sat Jan 5 10:48:29 2002 g05GmSW23113 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:48:29 -0600 Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:48:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Getting personal at Christmas Wow..this is becoming as nearly as famous as our Queens annual speach !Merry Crimbo All Paul Harry Boyd wrote: Friends, to you who are a big part of my life, many of whom I'venever met but still call friends. Some of my rod makingfriends have written asking when this year's message wascoming, so perhaps this is over due.Though I usually limit these little slips intoministerial mode, this year's happenings and horrors haveprompted me to "slip on the collar" several times. Most whodon't enjoy or appreciate these words are kind enough not tosay so. Thank you for your patience and indulgence. Four times in the events surrounding the birth of theChrist child, God sent the same message to the world throughhis heavenly heralds. That message wasn't "He shall save Hispeople from their sins," though that was an importantmessage. It wasn't even, "Glory to God in the highest, andon earth, peace on those upon whom his favor rests." Themessage God emphasized to those present at the birth ofJesus was "Fear not." "Fear not." That's a good message Can Christmas really make that much difference? Can thecoming of Christ to our world chase fear away not just fromour worlds but from our lives? Yes, with all that is in me,I believe it can. For to say "God is with us" is also tosay that "we are with God." Heaven abides in human hearts.Remember that Mary was instructed to call this babe:"Immanuel - God with us." As this calendar year draws to a close, the liturgicalyear is new and fresh as Spring. My wish for you all thisyear is more than tight lines, more than sharp planes, evenmore than health and happiness. My wish for you all is thatyou find a few moments on the stream or the lake, in themarsh or the surf, when you can truly "Fear not." My hopeis that you will find the God who is all around you. Myprayer is that you will find, or be found by that God who islooking for you, whatever name you choose to call him. Heoften looks out through the eyes of those whom we know andlove best, and I often see Him, and hear Him, and read ofHim, through you. Yours,Reverend Doctor Harry Boyd, Jr. --Harry Boydhttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from b2g@jps.net Sat Jan 5 11:25:47 2002 g05HPlW23758 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:25:47 -0600 helo=default) id 16MuZj-0003XU-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:25:46 -0800 Subject: Desiccant ... keep in mind that desiccant shouldbe rejuvenated frequently to be effective ... List, This statement made me wondering how does one rejuvenate desiccant? Iknowthat there has been mention about this before but I couldn't find where inthe archives it was talked about. Thanks for you comments in advanced. Robert H. from b2g@jps.net Sat Jan 5 11:25:49 2002 g05HPmW23763 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:25:48 -0600 helo=default) id 16MuZn-0003XU-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:25:48 -0800 Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions ... Bob uses just plexiglas disolved in acetone ... I have done this same thing to treat the ends of the rod section where I wasgoing to mount the ferrules. It made a nice gluing surface when I was done.But instead of using the acetone I used MEK to dissolve the chunks ofPlexiglas ("Acrylic Safety Glazing"). To store the mixture I put it in asmall glass jar that has a sealing screw on lid which keeps it fresh. Ihaven't stabilized any thing else but rod sections but dropping a piece ofwood for a real seat wouldn't be hard to do I just haven't done that yet. Robert H. from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jan 5 11:37:50 2002 g05HboW24343 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:37:50 -0600 helo=default) id 16MulM-0003Bk-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:37:45 -0500 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions The MEK, Methyl Ethyl Ketone, should work faster than will acetone, and tomy mind would be a better choice. It is more vile in terms of health hazard,but the usual precautions apply -- Don't wear it, don't breathe it, don'teat it. M-D ... Bob uses just plexiglas disolved in acetone ... I have done this same thing to treat the ends of the rod section where I was going to mount the ferrules. It made a nice gluing surface when I was done. But instead of using the acetone I used MEK to dissolve the chunks ofPlexiglas ("Acrylic Safety Glazing"). To store the mixture I put it in asmall glass jar that has a sealing screw on lid which keeps it fresh. Ihaven't stabilized any thing else but rod sections but dropping a piece ofwood for a real seat wouldn't be hard to do I just haven't done that yet. Robert H. from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jan 5 11:51:02 2002 g05Hp1W24802 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:51:01 -0600 helo=default) id 16MuyA-0000lC-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:50:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Desiccant I use the indicating kind, but when it does need refreshing, which times arequite long in-between, I've used 250Ÿ, though you can also use yourmicrowave. Since the color tells me when to quit I don't really payattention to how much time is required.On the subject of desiccants: Silica gel is best -- absorbing 21% moisture M-D ... keep in mind that desiccant shouldbe rejuvenated frequently to be effective ... List, This statement made me wondering how does one rejuvenate desiccant? I know that there has been mention about this before but I couldn't find where inthe archives it was talked about. Thanks for you comments in advanced. Robert H. from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Sat Jan 5 11:53:19 2002 g05HrJW25029 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:53:19 -0600 JAA10267; LAA27831; g05HrPW29291; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:53:19 -0800 Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions MEK does penetrate your skin and wipes out your liver and brain. Boeing quitusing it for that reason. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions The MEK, Methyl Ethyl Ketone, should work faster than will acetone, and tomy mind would be a better choice. It is more vile in terms of health hazard,but the usual precautions apply -- Don't wear it, don't breathe it, don'teat it. M-D ... Bob uses just plexiglas disolved in acetone ... I have done this same thing to treat the ends of the rod section where I was going to mount the ferrules. It made a nice gluing surface when I was done. But instead of using the acetone I used MEK to dissolve the chunks ofPlexiglas ("Acrylic Safety Glazing"). To store the mixture I put it in asmall glass jar that has a sealing screw on lid which keeps it fresh. Ihaven't stabilized any thing else but rod sections but dropping a piece ofwood for a real seat wouldn't be hard to do I just haven't done that yet. Robert H. from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jan 5 12:00:41 2002 g05I0eW25432 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:00:40 -0600 helo=default) id 16Mv7X-0005BT-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:00:39 -0500 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions Absolutely, which is a good time to point out that anytime one is usingorganic solvents, the proper precautions are mandatory. Use only nitrilegloves, and either wear a proper respirator or work in a well ventilatedarea, not to mention that protective clothing would be a good idea, too. Iknow most of us use these in small amounts, and not very often, but weneedto be concerned up to a point about the possible health ramifications. Weneedn't look like an EPA clean-up crew, but we do need to use some commonsense and take precautions. M-D MEK does penetrate your skin and wipes out your liver and brain. Boeing quit using it for that reason. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 The MEK, Methyl Ethyl Ketone, should work faster than will acetone, and tomy mind would be a better choice. It is more vile in terms of health hazard, but the usual precautions apply -- Don't wear it, don't breathe it, don'teat it. M-D From: "Robert Holder" ... Bob uses just plexiglas disolved in acetone ... I have done this same thing to treat the ends of the rod section where I was going to mount the ferrules. It made a nice gluing surface when I was done. But instead of using the acetone I used MEK to dissolve the chunks ofPlexiglas ("Acrylic Safety Glazing"). To store the mixture I put it in a small glass jar that has a sealing screw on lid which keeps it fresh. Ihaven't stabilized any thing else but rod sections but dropping a piece of wood for a real seat wouldn't be hard to do I just haven't done that yet. Robert H. from Lazybee45@aol.com Sat Jan 5 13:10:24 2002 g05JANW26910 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:10:23 -0600 Subject: A minor help off topic Guys! This is not an advertisement! What I want to do is figure out how to go about this and since you are all there, and people I respect, I wanted to ask advice. I make stuff like desk signs and business logos and such in wood. I do a nice job too (not just my opinion!) But have NO idea how to present my stuff. I am not a great Web dude, and have no cash flow to starta page.So I am asking for advice. What to do and how to go about it. I think I make a quality product Some of you have seen some of them. How wouldYOU go about selling the things? I hope that this does not offend any of you. But As I said, I have been a member of both lists and know many people on them. So I am not simply trying to use the lists as a means of "Get rich quick" Not that I could doing this anyway! In any case, thanks. from b2g@jps.net Sat Jan 5 13:29:05 2002 g05JT4W27364 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:29:04 -0600 helo=default) id 16MwV5-0006AR-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:29:04 -0800 Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions ... The MEK, Methyl Ethyl Ketone, should work faster than will acetone, andtomy mind would be a better choice. It is more vile in terms of health hazard,but the usual precautions apply -- Don't wear it, don't breathe it, don'teat it ... That is why I wear gloves, put on a face mask, and where safety glasseswhenhandling it. I guess it is all the safety stuff that is being drilled in myhead from work. Although I work in the engineering office we allparticipate in making a safe work place. I even find myself at home lookingat things a little different when working in the shop. And from time totime I have used the lists stories in our weakly meetings (I leave out namesand I hope no one minds). All that aside the MEK evaporates very quickly(within an hour) when the rod is removed from the solution and I could workon that area of the rod. And I am sure it would do the same thing when thewood for a real seat is placed in the solution. Soaking for 24 hours seemsto work before I pull out the sections out of the solution and I get goodpenetration. Also the MEK is good choice for cleaning and removing the oil film in metalwhen one is finished drilling and taping the holes when making planingforms. This is what my work does before they paint the metal parts for theequipment that we manufacture. Robert H. from lblan@provide.net Sat Jan 5 13:38:27 2002 g05JcQW27733 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:38:26 -0600 with HTTP id 8595303 for ; Sat, 05 Jan2002 14:38:26 -0500 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:30:49 -0700"Robert Holder" wrote: Wow... check this out, Bob N., your fame is spreading!! And from time to time I have used the lists stories in > our weekly meetings (I leave out names and I hope no one >minds). Larry Blan from jojo@ipa.net Sat Jan 5 14:24:37 2002 g05KOaW28555 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:24:36 -0600 helo=default) id 16MxMo-0006yd-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:24:35 -0500 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions Working in the environment you do, I'm sure you know this, Robert, but forothers who may not -- all respirators are not created equal, and it takes aspecific type of filter for organic vapors. Using the typical dust mask willdo more harm than good , as the vapors will collect in it therebyconcentrating your exposure. Ask any paint huffer.In most circumstances I do not wear a respirator. I work in a very largeshop, and most of the time that I use solvents I do so outside, on a tabletop, where a breeze of some sort is blowing 99% of the time.MEK is much better for removing oils and greases, as is toluene or xylene.Acetone is virtually worthless in this regard. M-D ... The MEK, Methyl Ethyl Ketone, should work faster than will acetone, and tomy mind would be a better choice. It is more vile in terms of health hazard, but the usual precautions apply -- Don't wear it, don't breathe it, don'teat it ... That is why I wear gloves, put on a face mask, and where safety glasses when handling it. I guess it is all the safety stuff that is being drilled in my head from work. Although I work in the engineering office we allparticipate in making a safe work place. I even find myself at home looking at things a little different when working in the shop. And from time totime I have used the lists stories in our weakly meetings (I leave out names and I hope no one minds). All that aside the MEK evaporates very quickly(within an hour) when the rod is removed from the solution and I could work on that area of the rod. And I am sure it would do the same thing when the wood for a real seat is placed in the solution. Soaking for 24 hours seems to work before I pull out the sections out of the solution and I get goodpenetration. Also the MEK is good choice for cleaning and removing the oil film in metal when one is finished drilling and taping the holes when making planingforms. This is what my work does before they paint the metal parts for the equipment that we manufacture. Robert H. from oakmere@carol.net Sat Jan 5 16:14:56 2002 g05MEsW00632 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:14:55 -0600 g05MCqZ18923; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:13:01 -0500 flyfish@lsv.uky.edu,"Ben Morton" , "Vance Baird" ,"Webb Alspaugh" , "Tom Mcinnis","Frank Paul" , "Greg Reighard",Myron Allen , Ed Few ,Greg Reighard , Art Shick ,Lowry Wilson ,Charles Matthews,Mitch Abernethy ,Chuck Flint , Mike Cruce,Dave VanLear , RonGardzalla Subject: RE: Gary LaFontaine Hi Folks: Sorry to hear that Gary LaFontaine passed away after his struggle with ALS.His books on flyfishing and trout will be appreciated by all for many yearsto come. Best, FrankFrank Paul, GreyFoxTroutBeck Fly and RodSeneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work), Clemson University; 864-656- 7471oakmere@carol.net (home), South Carolina; 864-882-0077 from rodwrapp@swbell.net Sat Jan 5 17:04:26 2002 g05N4QW01510 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:04:26 -0600 (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) Subject: Cork Anybody know the url for C&D Trading?? Also anybody have any other placesto buy cork?? Thanks Dave Anybody know the url for C&D Dave from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sat Jan 5 17:39:17 2002 g05NdGW02059 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:39:16 -0600 05 Jan 2002 15:39:15 PST Subject: Re: A minor help off topic i have received a couple of pieces and, yes! this istop notch work. --- Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: Guys! This is not an advertisement! What I want todo is figure out how to go about this and since you are all there, andpeople I respect, I wanted to ask advice. I make stuff like desk signs andbusiness logos and such in wood. I do a nice job too (not just my opinion!) But have NO idea how to present my stuff. I am not a great Web dude, andhave no cash flow to start a page.So I am asking for advice. What to do and howto go about it. I think I make a quality product Some of you have seen someof them. How would YOU go about selling the things? I hope that this does not offend any of you. But As I said, I have been a member of both lists and know many people on them.So I am not simply trying to use the lists as a means of "Get richquick" Not that I could doing this anyway! In any case, thanks. ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from bob@downandacross.com Sat Jan 5 17:56:39 2002 g05NucW02504 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:56:38 -0600 Subject: RE: Cork The REC cork order that M-D out together was excellent. I would try themagain when I run out. I also think that Darrell Lee has had some fine corkin the past, maybe he is worth a shot.Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: Cork Anybody know the url for C&D Trading?? Also anybody have any otherplacesto buy cork?? Thanks Dave order that M-D out together was excellent. I would try them again when I = out. I also think that Darrell Lee has had some fine cork in the past, = is worth a shot.Bob DavesrodsSent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:02 = rodmakers@mail.wustL.eduSubject:CorkAnybody know the url for C&D = Dave from channer@frontier.net Sat Jan 5 18:12:29 2002 g060CTW02890 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:12:29 -0600 Subject: Re: Cork thecorkstore.comjohn Davesrods wrote: Anybody know the url for C&D Trading?? Also anybody have any otherplaces to buy cork?? Thanks Dave from FISHWOOL@aol.com Sat Jan 5 18:37:28 2002 g060bRW03269 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:37:27 -0600 Subject: Re: Wayne Cattanach Steve et al.,without Wayne's help and encouragement I wouldn't be building rods-he's been a great help to all of us.Hank. from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Sat Jan 5 19:07:57 2002 g0617vW03750 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:07:57 -0600 Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:07:50 -0800 Subject: Re: Jonathan Clarke FILETIME=[8FDAC820:01C1964E] The "Greatest rodmaker" thread got me thinking again of Jonathan Clarke ofTampa, FL. He was making rods professionally under the "Twin Pines RodCompany" logo and gave a wonderful seminar about bamboo to our fly fishingclub that got me hooked for life. His web site is no longer valid, and Iwould like to get in touch with him to express my thanks. Besides, he has a 7 foot three weight taper that is amazing. The late CarlHanson actually used it for inshore saltwater fishing. Does anyone have his email address or phone number? Jeff Schaeffer from Lazybee45@aol.com Sat Jan 5 19:48:45 2002 g061miW04324 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:48:44 -0600 Subject: OT! Thanks! A Heartfelt thank you to all who responded with what I think was FINE advice. You once again proved my point about people in groups such as these. There could not a more different couple of bunches of fantastic friends. Flyrod makers and Bicycle riders. (I carry my fly rod when Iride my bike, so there! I have covered BOTH topics! But it is true!) You guys have again proven that there are good folks around! But then I knew that! which is why Iasked in the first place. I started a simple website and will do better when I can. It is still under construction a bit so no photos yet. Those will come. If any of you care to check it out, you are invited to privately e-mail me and Iwill send a link since I believe that both lists strip such from their posts. Thanks again! mark! from caneman@clnk.com Sat Jan 5 19:52:42 2002 g061qfW04530 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:52:42 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Jonathan Clarke Jon is living in Central Colorado now. I have his phone number and addressaround somewhere. I'll email it to you if I can find it. Later,BobR.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Jonathan Clarke The "Greatest rodmaker" thread got me thinking again of Jonathan ClarkeofTampa, FL. He was making rods professionally under the "Twin Pines RodCompany" logo and gave a wonderful seminar about bamboo to our flyfishingclub that got me hooked for life. His web site is no longer valid, and Iwould like to get in touch with him to express my thanks. Besides, he has a 7 foot three weight taper that is amazing. The late CarlHanson actually used it for inshore saltwater fishing. Does anyone have his email address or phone number? Jeff Schaeffer from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 6 06:31:31 2002 g06CVUW09715 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 06:31:30 -0600 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: test, delete from edriddle@mindspring.com Sun Jan 6 07:02:57 2002 g06D2uW10175 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:02:57 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16NCwt-0002sn-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:02:51 -0500 Subject: Non-rodmaking Mighty quiet out there...usually a sign of trouble brewing.Ed Mighty quiet out there...usually a sign = brewing.Ed from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Jan 6 07:19:38 2002 g06DJbW10573 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:19:37 -0600 (authenticated) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 05:21:15 -0800 Subject: David Dziadosz Hi friends, Do any of you have an email address or phonenumber handy for David? I've got it somewhere,but can't seem to put my hands on it. David hasdone me a favor and I would like to thank him. Thanks,Harry -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Jan 6 07:30:27 2002 g06DUQW10885 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:30:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking A cold wind from the Nth ushering in a TA presence possibly??? Tony At 08:04 AM 1/6/02 -0500, Ed Riddle wrote: Mighty quiet out there...usually a sign of trouble brewing.Ed /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sun Jan 6 07:46:15 2002 g06DkCW11199 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:46:13 -0600 Subject: sharpening Heads up,here's a site of sharpening tools and flattening sharpening stones: http://www.nortonconsumer.com/projects/ssharp.asp no financial interest etc etc (but you'll just have to take my word for it [:-)] ) Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from saltwein@worldnet.att.net Sun Jan 6 07:47:09 2002 g06Dl8W11314 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:47:08 -0600 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions Where does one acquire the plexiglas chunks? Robert Holder wrote: ... Bob uses just plexiglas disolved in acetone ... I have done this same thing to treat the ends of the rod section where Iwasgoing to mount the ferrules. It made a nice gluing surface when I was done.But instead of using the acetone I used MEK to dissolve the chunks ofPlexiglas ("Acrylic Safety Glazing"). To store the mixture I put it in asmall glass jar that has a sealing screw on lid which keeps it fresh. Ihaven't stabilized any thing else but rod sections but dropping a piece ofwood for a real seat wouldn't be hard to do I just haven't done that yet. Robert H. from channer@frontier.net Sun Jan 6 08:29:27 2002 g06ETRW12443 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:29:27 -0600 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:29:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Na,just a weekend. Everyone's either in the shop or out gettin ice intheir guidesjohn Ed Riddle wrote: Mighty quiet out there...usually a sign of trouble brewing.Ed from channer@frontier.net Sun Jan 6 08:31:18 2002 g06EVHW12629 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:31:17 -0600 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:31:20 -0700 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions Steve;You can either buy a piece cut to size at the hardware store or glassshop, or you could ask them if they had any busted pieces in the garbagethat they would give you.john Steve Trauthwein wrote: Where does one acquire the plexiglas chunks? Robert Holder wrote: ... Bob uses just plexiglas disolved in acetone ... I have done this same thing to treat the ends of the rod section where Iwasgoing to mount the ferrules. It made a nice gluing surface when I wasdone.But instead of using the acetone I used MEK to dissolve the chunks ofPlexiglas ("Acrylic Safety Glazing"). To store the mixture I put it in asmall glass jar that has a sealing screw on lid which keeps it fresh. Ihaven't stabilized any thing else but rod sections but dropping a piece ofwood for a real seat wouldn't be hard to do I just haven't done that yet. Robert H. from pohl@earthlink.net Sun Jan 6 09:03:20 2002 g06F3JW13226 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:03:19 -0600 helo=pohl) id 16NEpS-0003kq-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:03:18 -0800 Subject: stripper guide (grooving??) I'm in the process of wrapping my guides..... I have 2 stippers in hand, thefirst is an 8mm that i ordered from golden witch and its (carbmet) huge. Theother (8mm) is what appears to be a non-hardened (brassy colored) stripperthat is smaller and looks alot better on my rod. My question is - if i use anon-hardened stripper will it really groove, and if so is it a big deal?Plastic against metal......Thanks Mark from bob@downandacross.com Sun Jan 6 09:17:10 2002 g06FHAW13591 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:17:10 -0600 Subject: RE: stripper guide (grooving??) Mark:I have a bunch of NOS strippers from Heddon that Russ sent me. They do notseem hardened, and I doubt I will wear through one any time soon. I thinkthat the rods that I use silk lines on would be more at risk and even then Iam not worried. If anything, it will make you more conscious to keep yourline clean.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: stripper guide (grooving??) I'm in the process of wrapping my guides..... I have 2 stippers in hand, thefirst is an 8mm that i ordered from golden witch and its (carbmet) huge. Theother (8mm) is what appears to be a non-hardened (brassy colored) stripperthat is smaller and looks alot better on my rod. My question is - if i use anon-hardened stripper will it really groove, and if so is it a big deal?Plastic against metal......Thanks Mark from pohl@earthlink.net Sun Jan 6 09:36:11 2002 g06FaAW14038 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:36:10 -0600 helo=pohl) id 16NFLF-0001AF-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:36:10 -0800 Subject: wrapping tension? I'm in the process of wrapping, actually i'm just finishing-up, good time tobe asking..... What should proper tension feel like? when wrapping i triedto maintain tension that kept the wraps snug and i wasn't killing them, atleast i don't think i was. when one foot was wrapped I could still move theguide slightly and when pulling the loop through (~ 8 wraps) it gave someresistance and i never had to pull it through with pliers. I'm justconcerned about being too tight. Mark from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 6 10:20:14 2002 g06GKDW14707 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:20:13 -0600 Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:21:15 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: stripper guide (grooving??) Mark,it's not so much a question of "plastic on metal" as it is "plasticwith grit and grime on metal". Even dust on your wet line sliding back andforththrough a stripper acts like a fine abrasive. To answer your question, Yes, itwill wear in time. Shawn Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: I'm in the process of wrapping my guides..... I have 2 stippers in hand, thefirst is an 8mm that i ordered from golden witch and its (carbmet) huge.Theother (8mm) is what appears to be a non-hardened (brassy colored)stripperthat is smaller and looks alot better on my rod. My question is - if i use anon-hardened stripper will it really groove, and if so is it a big deal?Plastic against metal......Thanks Mark from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 6 10:22:39 2002 g06GMcW14933 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:22:38 -0600 Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:23:50 -0400 Organization: New Scotland fly Rods Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking I envy those of you that can fish year round!! Ice fishing doesn't quitecount. Figured I'd say that before any of my southern friends point thatout ;^) Shawn channer wrote: Na,just a weekend. Everyone's either in the shop or out gettin ice intheir guidesjohn Ed Riddle wrote: Mighty quiet out there...usually a sign of trouble brewing.Ed from b2g@jps.net Sun Jan 6 10:50:22 2002 g06GoKW15566 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:50:20 -0600 helo=default) id 16NGUv-0001SR-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:50:14 -0800 Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions ... Where does one acquire the plexiglas chunks ... Just make sure to wear safety glasses and leather gloves when to break upthe Plexiglas. Those pieces can be very sharp and a small chunk can be sentair born while cracking off pieces from the sheet. I don't need to be usinganother story from the list in safety meetings at work again. Robert H. from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Jan 6 10:56:06 2002 g06Gu5W15935 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:56:06 -0600 helo=g2t8c9) id 16NGaV-0007NA-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:55:59 -0800 Subject: Gary Lafontaine I have just been able to get my email today 359 messages when I heard GaryLaFontaine had passed away. Gary was an acquaintance over the years. Ibought all his books and videos when I started to tie flies several yearsago. I received his book mailer and it always was a good read, very funny. Ipurchased all the necessary materials from him to tie his emergent sparklepupa. I had his book and video and now all the material including theappropriate "SPARKLE YARN" not all of it is equal according to Gary. Wellafter tying up a couple dozen of those bad boys I took a trip to use them onthe caddis hatch of the Owens river in the Eastern Sierras. Well I usedthose emergent sparkle pupa and the fish totally ignored them. I tried allcolors and sizes. I put flotant on the hair wing to float it in themeniscus, "NOTHING". Damit! I thought so I tied on an elk hair caddis andcaught a ton of fish until night fall. I repeated the above incidence on several occasions. I wanted to see if itwas me or the fly that was failing. It was the fly. Now according toLaFontaine his ESP was suppose to out fish all other caddis imitations. Istarted asking around at my fly club and other fly fishermen. They all saidthe same thing "That fly doesn't work I have known that for years". Ithought to myself this cant be right so I watch and read everything again tomake sure I was doing everything right. Well I had had enough so I called upGary and asked him a simple question "No matter what I do your ESP is notworking any where near as well as an Elk hair caddis, what is the problem".His response to me was well I have no idea. Tell you what plan a trip up toMontana and I will take you fishing, I am no guide but I can always take afriend fishing. We will find out what the problem is and get you fish onthat ESP. I accepted his offer, but before I made plans to fish with him Imet him at a book signing at the Bob Marriott's Store. I had Gary sign mybooks and we discussed the problem with the ESP. He asked where I boughtmyYarn. I told him from YOU. He asked me how I tied it. So I showed him asample. He then asked me how I fished it. I told him I fished it with somefloatant on the wing so it would sit in the surface and he said "Wrong, thatis your problem, it should be covered in floatant". I responded "What, younever covered that in your book" he said "Yes I did" I told him no he didnot. He said well it is in the video" I said ehhhhh! wrong answer again. Notin the video. He said you know what I find a lot of guys are fishing itwrong maybe I screwed up. Cover it in floatant and fish it again. Thefloatant holds all then necessary air bubbles to simulate an emergingcaddis. I thank him and gave it a try. Guess what it now works like a charmand it is one of my go to flies. I never did get to fish with Gary, his ALSwas robbing him of his life and it was very hard for him. I will rememberhim always. Adam Vigil from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Jan 6 11:00:39 2002 g06H0dW16222 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:00:39 -0600 helo=g2t8c9) id 16NGez-0003Ln-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:00:38 -0800 Subject: Torch and propane tank I received a torch kit for Christmashttp://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40485I want to hook it up to a traditional BBQ propane tank. The fittings on thetorch are for the same disposables. What do I need to do to get it hookedup? Adam Vigil from Troutgetter@aol.com Sun Jan 6 11:09:08 2002 g06H97W16695 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:09:07 -0600 Subject: Re: Torch and propane tank In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:01:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: I received a torch kit for Christmas http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40485I want to hook it up to a traditional BBQ propane tank. The fittings on thetorch are for the same disposables. What do I need to do to get it hookedup? Adam Vigil Go to home debit,Look in Bar-B-Que dept.They have a hose with the proper fittings on each end for what you want. I have it on my torch and campstove.Mike Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ In a message dated1/6/2002 9:01:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.netwrites: I received a torch kit forChristmashttp://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40485I want to hook it up to a traditional BBQ propane tank. The fittings onthetorch are for the same disposables. What do I need to do to get ithookedup? Adam Vigil Go to home debit,Look in Bar-B-Que dept.They have a hose with the proper fittings on each end for what you want. Ihave it on my torch and campstove.Mike Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Sun Jan 6 11:25:23 2002 g06HPMW17227 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:25:22 -0600 Subject: Re: Torch and propane tank Adam, I bought a hose with a conecter at my local True Value for about 20 bucks, designed to hook up a portable bbq to a bulk 20 pound or whatever tank, one end screws into where the bottle would go, other end mounts to the tank.I think any store that sells gas BBQ's would have oneJim from lblan@provide.net Sun Jan 6 12:05:14 2002 g06I5DW18222 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:05:13 -0600 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:05:12 -0500 Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions Score the acrylic before breaking it! It takes just a few seconds, but willeliminate the danger of flying shards of acrylic. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions ... Where does one acquire the plexiglas chunks ... Just make sure to wear safety glasses and leather gloves when to breakupthe Plexiglas. Those pieces can be very sharp and a small chunkcan be sentair born while cracking off pieces from the sheet. I don't needto be usinganother story from the list in safety meetings at work again. Robert H. from bob@downandacross.com Sun Jan 6 13:09:12 2002 g06J9BW19713 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:09:11 -0600 6 Jan 2002 14:08:39 -0500 Subject: Garrison 209E Has anyone built this taper and used a guide spacing different from thesuggestedone in the book? I tried a few things on a blank today, and I feltthat the 10 guides and the spacing from the book seemed to really kill theaction. Anyone have any success in changing the guide spacing? It feltbetter with the 9 guides and spacing I tried (derived from Frank's guideprogram, thanks), but I am not sure that it is as good as it gets. Forgiveme, but it is too cold here to stand outside and try 10 different spacings.I just wonder what your general impressions of this taper and suggestedspacing were. It feels almost like it wants a 6 WF to me.On the lighter side, I found today that standing in the driveway with threefeet of snow on each lawn around you simulates standing it water very well.Keep that back cast up.Thanks a million.Bob from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Sun Jan 6 14:28:15 2002 g06KSEW21464 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:28:14 -0600 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Shawn, What's wrong with ice fishing, the only hard part is cutting a 4' x 50' holeto cast into. tom I envy those of you that can fish year round!! Ice fishing doesn't quitecount. Figured I'd say that before any of my southern friends point thatout ;^) Shawn channer wrote: Na,just a weekend. Everyone's either in the shop or out gettin ice intheir guidesjohn Ed Riddle wrote: Mighty quiet out there...usually a sign of trouble brewing.Ed from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Sun Jan 6 14:55:24 2002 g06KtOW22267 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:55:24 -0600 helo=excalibur.ix.netcom.com) id 16NKKA-0002oX-00; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:55:22 -0500 Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions --=======15E84B72======= format=flowed I get mine at Home Depot. I buy one or more of their precut sheets and then either break or saw it up. Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com At 07:48 AM 1/6/02 -0800, Steve Trauthwein wrote: Where does one acquire the plexiglas chunks? Robert Holder wrote: ... Bob uses just plexiglas disolved in acetone ... I have done this same thing to treat the ends of the rod section where I was going to mount the ferrules. It made a nice gluing surface when I was done. But instead of using the acetone I used MEK to dissolve the chunks ofPlexiglas ("Acrylic Safety Glazing"). To store the mixture I put it in asmall glass jar that has a sealing screw on lid which keeps it fresh. Ihaven't stabilized any thing else but rod sections but dropping a piece ofwood for a real seat wouldn't be hard to do I just haven't done that yet. Robert H. ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01 --=======15E84B72======= ok-660052D ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01 --=======15E84B72=======-- from piscator@macatawa.org Sun Jan 6 16:33:43 2002 g06MXgW23868 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:33:43 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: Re: Garrison 209E Cold! Here in Michigan we just closed the beaches on New Years and thepostal workers just switched from shorts to long pants last week! Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Garrison 209E Has anyone built this taper and used a guide spacing different from thesuggestedone in the book? I tried a few things on a blank today, and I felt that the 10 guides and the spacing from the book seemed to really kill theaction. Anyone have any success in changing the guide spacing? It feltbetter with the 9 guides and spacing I tried (derived from Frank's guideprogram, thanks), but I am not sure that it is as good as it gets. Forgiveme, but it is too cold here to stand outside and try 10 different spacings. I just wonder what your general impressions of this taper and suggestedspacing were. It feels almost like it wants a 6 WF to me.On the lighter side, I found today that standing in the driveway with three feet of snow on each lawn around you simulates standing it water very well. Keep that back cast up.Thanks a million.Bob from shane_person@telus.net Sun Jan 6 16:57:37 2002 g06MvaW24373 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:57:36 -0600 (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:57:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Non-rodmaking Tom,Ya got it all wrong! The way we do it in BC is drill the regular holeand stand back 50 feet!;) Shane Jill and Tom Ausfeld wrote: Shawn, What's wrong with ice fishing, the only hard part is cutting a 4' x 50' holeto cast into. tom I envy those of you that can fish year round!! Ice fishing doesn't quitecount. Figured I'd say that before any of my southern friends point thatout ;^) Shawn channer wrote: Na,just a weekend. Everyone's either in the shop or out gettin ice intheir guidesjohn Ed Riddle wrote: Mighty quiet out there...usually a sign of trouble brewing.Ed from lblan@provide.net Sun Jan 6 17:11:47 2002 g06NBkW24820 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:11:46 -0600 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:11:44 -0500 Subject: RE: Non-rodmaking I like a little bit of weight too, like for example, a 25 pound spear. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:59 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; bamboorules@ns.sympatico.caSubject: Re: Non-rodmaking Tom,Ya got it all wrong! The way we do it in BC is drill the regular holeand stand back 50 feet!;) Shane Jill and Tom Ausfeld wrote: Shawn, What's wrong with ice fishing, the only hard part is cutting a 4' x 50' hole to cast into. tom I envy those of you that can fish year round!! Ice fishing doesn't quite count. Figured I'd say that before any of my southern friends point that out ;^) Shawn channer wrote: Na,just a weekend. Everyone's either in the shop or out gettin ice in their guidesjohn Ed Riddle wrote: Mighty quiet out there...usually a sign of trouble brewing.Ed from b2g@jps.net Sun Jan 6 17:16:54 2002 g06NGsW25154 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:16:54 -0600 helo=default) id 16NMX6-0005kg-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:16:53 -0800 Subject: RE: stabilizing and turning questions Well that would work also. While wearing leather gloves I just grabbed thesheet of Plexiglas with the pliers and put my other hand over the pliers tocatch the broken off pieces. Since I wasn't doing a lot of this it didn'ttake long to break off what I needed. Then the left over sheet was tuckedaway in the shop when I need it again. Robert H. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: stabilizing and turning questions Guys,The best way to break up the plexiglass is to cover it with a cloth of somesort, ie towel, old t-shirt, etc. then smack the h*** out of it with ahammer. By using the cloth cover you eliminate getting fragged!Mike from BambooRods@aol.com Sun Jan 6 17:31:03 2002 g06NV2W25666 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:31:02 -0600 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:30:55 -0500 Subject: Powered Beveler Opinions I am interested in buying a powered rough beveler. I currently use a Morgan mill so it would be a handshake to that unit. I have looked at several and the prices are varied. I know that some of the successful units are designed from Al Medved. I would appreciate opinions and any that are "concerning" could be sent off list TIADoug Hall from bob@downandacross.com Sun Jan 6 18:24:48 2002 g070OlW26621 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:24:47 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: RE: Garrison 209E Liar, liar, pants on fire... -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Garrison 209E Cold! Here in Michigan we just closed the beaches on New Years and thepostal workers just switched from shorts to long pants last week! Brian from mtaylor7409@home.com Sun Jan 6 18:34:41 2002 g070YeW27001 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:34:40 -0600 ;Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:34:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Plane blades ihave ma de blades out of a2 and highspeed steel i am in the process of making about 20 high speed blades contact me Subject: Plane blades Due to recent adventures on ebay, and meeting a plane collector at a =swap meet who paid me to sharpen a lot of his blades, I have had the =fortune (or mis-fortune) of sharpening about 2 dozen plane blades. There =is a web page that lists the different types of Stanley bench planes =with dates, so I got a good idea of when these blades were made. First and foremost the one factor that determines how long the blade =will hold an edge is hardness. I doubt all these blades were of the same =alloy - in fact I know they weren't because I have a couple Hock tool =steel blades and a Hock A2 blade, along with a Lie-Nielsen A2 blade in =the lot. Some blades took longer to get a really sharp edge, but with =varying amounts a work all of them could be sharpened to the same =degree. The old blades that were really hard - harder than the new Hock =blades - were chipped. So I can see why plane makers don't harden to =that degree any more. But I think for our purposes a really hard blade =(within reason) would be better. We would just have to be careful about =slowing down to go over the nodes and not hit our steel planing forms. I =did actually chip a blade myself on my planing form - the plane wasn't =grooved. But that edge was really nice going through the bamboo. A couple new Stanley blades (made within the last 20 years) almost =immediately lost it's really sharp edge in use. The blades made before =1930 or so were thicker and harder. The blades made after 1930 or '32 =were hard enough, but a lot thinner. I have the fortune to own a Union =bench plane made around 1900 or so. The blade is 1/8 inch thick and =harder than blazes. I sharpened a blade marked Stanley that was .072 =thick - about 1/16th of an inch. That blade was fairly hard but with =about half a dozen chips in the edge. I also own a Fulton and a Sargent =bench plane. Both of them have blades that measure .101 thick and from =the way they sharpen and how long the edge lasts they are really hard. =Haven't chipped them yet, but I grooved those planes. My conclusions. We won't be running into the things that other plane users do that chip =the blade edge - knots in the wood, nails, staples, etc. Since we plane =a narrow strip under very controlled conditions I think we can use a = New stock blades just don't keep an edge like the older (before 1930) =blades. There is a basic difference in the new blades compared to the =old blades. I think the difference is the hardness. Older blades are =harder but easier to chip. Hock and Lie-Nielsen make very good replacement blades. In fact if I =bought a new plane, block or bench, I would immediately get a =replacement blade. Except for something like a Veritas plane which says =it comes with an A2 blade, but I haven't seen a Veritas blade so I can =say for sure how good it is. ihave ma de blades out of a2 and = steelthe hs blades last longer than the a2 = i am in the process of making about 20= bladesto fit the record plane if any one wants to try the blades = contact me ----- Original Message ----- DNHayashida@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, = AMSubject: Plane blades recent adventures on ebay, and meeting a plane collector at a swap = mis-fortune) of sharpening about 2 dozen plane blades. There is a web = that lists the different types of Stanley bench planes with dates, so = good idea of when these blades were made.First and foremost = factor that determines how long the blade will hold an edge is = doubt all these blades were of the same alloy - in fact I know they = because I have a couple Hock tool steel blades and a Hock A2 blade, = a Lie-Nielsen A2 blade in the lot. Some blades took longer to get a = sharp edge, but with varying amounts a work all of them could be = the same degree. The old blades that were really hard - harder than = Hock blades - were chipped. So I can see why plane makers don't harden = degree any more. But I think for our purposes a really hard blade = reason) would be better. We would just have to be careful about = to go over the nodes and not hit our steel planing forms. I did = a blade myself on my planing form - the plane wasn't grooved. But that = was really nice going through the bamboo.A couple new Stanley = (made within the last 20 years) almost immediately lost it's really = in use. The blades made before 1930 or so were thicker and harder. The = made after 1930 or '32 were hard enough, but a lot thinner. I have the = to own a Union bench plane made around 1900 or so. The blade is 1/8 = and harder than blazes. I sharpened a blade marked Stanley that was = - about 1/16th of an inch. That blade was fairly hard but with about = dozen chips in the edge. I also own a Fulton and a Sargent bench = of them have blades that measure .101 thick and from the way they = how long the edge lasts they are really hard. Haven't chipped them = grooved those planes.My conclusions.For rodmaking the = blade (again within reason) the better. We won't be running into the = that other plane users do that chip the blade edge - knots in the = staples, etc. Since we plane a narrow strip under very controlled = think we can use a harder edge without chipping it. New stock = just don't keep an edge like the older (before 1930) blades. There is = chip.Hock and Lie-Nielsen make very good replacement blades. = if I bought a new plane, block or bench, I would immediately get a = blade. Except for something like a Veritas plane which says it comes = A2 blade, but I haven't seen a Veritas blade so I can say for sure how = is.Darryl Hayashida from channer@frontier.net Sun Jan 6 19:09:50 2002 g0719oW27761 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:09:50 -0600 Subject: Re: Powered Beveler Opinions build your own, $250 in parts, some imagination and a motor will get youone that can rough bevel any size strip you want in one pull thru themachine. Peruse the MSC catalogue, everything you could possibly need,except for some scrap steel from a fabricator's shop, is in there. I'lleven give you a hint, look for 60degree side milling cutters, 1" shaftstock and a couple of the appropriate size pillow blocks.john BambooRods@aol.com wrote: I am interested in buying a powered rough beveler. I currently use aMorganmill so it would be a handshake to that unit. I have looked at several andthe prices are varied. I know that some of the successful units aredesigned from Al Medved. I would appreciate opinions and any that are "concerning"could be sent off list TIADoug Hall from dbugg@qix.net Sun Jan 6 19:14:55 2002 g071EsW28063 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:14:54 -0600 Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:07:41 -0500 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! I also give a hearty....."I agree" when it comes to Wayne C. Being a student of Wayne's, and a new rodmaker (one year) I have seen hisdedication to his craft. I enjoy this forum. Your comments have helped me out greatly already. God Bless, Don BuggAuburn Hills, MI----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Count me in.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Larry Blan wrote: A dangerous topic indeed. I went back and looked at the last totallyscientific survey of "favorite tapers". The first 4 places were held byYoung and Dickerson. My personal vote goes to Young, regardless of the outcome of thesurvey. As I look through the list of names mentioned, there are some glaringomissions, and therein lies the danger. I don't take exception to any of the names mentioned, but read back over them and figure out where a Bob Summers or a Ron Kusse should fall, and they were not even on the long list! Theproblem of course, is defining "greatest". I think Bob Maulucci's postreflected this as he qualified who was the greatest at each facet ofrodmaking. Looking back over the folder where I keep my flames, I notice that it has been six months or so since the last time I got in serious trouble. So... while I'm on a roll, I'm going to toss this out. This is in no way meant to diminish the efforts of any rodmaker, past or present. Those folks who have been doing this for 20 years certainly didn't need any help. For the rest of us, in terms of contribution to rodmaking, how about a show of hands ofthose folks who are building rods today either directly or indirectly due to the efforts of Wayne Cattanach? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: The Greatest Rodmaker! Hi All, I will probably regret doing this but I am curious as to who"the list" feels was the greatest rodmaker to date. My vote goes toGoodwin Granger. He was responsible for creating supberb tapers andstarting a company that built tens of thousands of affordable rods that have very consistant quality. Best to all, Marty from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Sun Jan 6 19:29:23 2002 g071TMW28518 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:29:22 -0600 Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:29:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Powered Beveler Opinions FILETIME=[B91A0A80:01C1971A] In my opinion, Bevelers are a tremendous time saver, and they can help youimprove the quality of your rods by getting the strips all one size withperfect angles. This will help in even heat treating, and with final planingbe it on a mill or planing form. Several months ago I would have immediatelysuggested a Beveler that produces tapered strips. Now I am not so sure. Iuse a homemade Medved style beveler and after some false starts it nowproduces great untapered strips (check out the "Medved Beveler- bigtrouble"thread if you want a good laugh). Then, with a sharp blade on a block planeI can get them tapered faster than I ever thought possible. I then switch toa second "finely tuned" block plane for final planing. Bottom line is that a tapering beveler will allow you to produce beautifulstrips quickly, but a "straight" beveler will get you 75% of the way thereat a fraction of the cost. You will pay a lot for what amounts to a smallincrease in efficiency and convenience. Of course, a full time rodmakermight appreciate every free minute and have a different perspective. Just my opinion and I could be wrong, Jeff Schaeffer from lblan@provide.net Sun Jan 6 19:50:44 2002 g071oiW29027 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:50:44 -0600 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:50:42 -0500 Subject: Finishing Article This link is to a finishing article written by Michael Dresdner, who is theauthor of several books on wood finishing. Not a lot there, but every littlebit helps, and he offers up a home-brewed finish at the end of the article. http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/messages.pl?read=42683 Larry Blan from JNL123141@msn.com Sun Jan 6 20:08:38 2002 g0728cW29499 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:08:38 -0600 Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:08:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Powered Beveler Opinions FILETIME=[34DE0E00:01C19720] You can do a great job with a Medved or a JW beveler. John ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Powered Beveler Opinions I am interested in buying a powered rough beveler. I currently use a Mor=ganmill so it would be a handshake to that unit. I have looked at several a=ndthe prices are varied. I know that some of the successful units are desi=gned from Al Medved. I would appreciate opinions and any that are "concerning="could be sent off list TIADoug Hall You can doa g= ciate opinions and any that are "concerning"could be sent off list TI=ADoug Hall from dryfly@erols.com Sun Jan 6 20:09:15 2002 g0729FW29615 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:09:15 -0600 ([208.58.197.131] helo=homeserver) id 16NPDs-0003kr-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:09:13 -0500 Subject: New Sanding Blocks I recently bought two sanding blocks from Klingspor and got to use them =this weekend and I am really impressed with them. They are called ="Wedge Tight" and are available in both 1" wide and 2" wide at $9.95 =each or both for $16.95. They hold a strip of sandpaper (nearly all the =way around the block) very tightly with a screwed- in round wedge and the =paper never slips. Once one side is no longer useful you can turn it =over and use the other side. Also available is 1" and 2" sandpaper in =rolls, but I also purchased their bargain box of end rolls (20lbs) and =nearly everything was 1" to 2.5" wide. Klingspor's web site is www.woodworkingshop.com Search on part numbers WT55010 (1" wide), WT55020 (2" wide) orWT55000 =(both) to see the blocks No financial interest and all that stuff.Bob I recently bought two sanding blocks = and got to use them this weekend and I am really impressed with = all the way around the block) very tightly with a screwed-in round wedge = in rolls, but I also purchased their bargain box of end rolls = Klingspor's web site is www.woodworkingshop.com Search on part numbers WT55010 (1"= stuff.Bob from JNL123141@msn.com Sun Jan 6 20:16:22 2002 g072GLW00063 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:16:21 -0600 Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:16:15 -0800 "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: Gary Lafontaine FILETIME=[4916F200:01C19721] Adam,Great story! John John from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jan 6 21:13:13 2002 g073DCW01303 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:13:13 -0600 helo=default) id 16NQDn-0004Yi-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:13:11 -0500 Subject: Re: New Sanding Blocks I made two of these about a year ago, though the ones I made were only =approx. 5/8" in thickness, and only a little over 4" long. They were =made so that a full length strip of sandpaper would work on them. I've =got the one which I use for sanding the flats on the blanks, and Mark =Garvey has the other.They are made of maple with a round aluminum block to hold the paper in =place. M-D I recently bought two sanding blocks from Klingspor and got to use =them this weekend and I am really impressed with them. They are called ="Wedge Tight" and are available in both 1" wide and 2" wide at $9.95 =each or both for $16.95. They hold a strip of sandpaper (nearly all the =way around the block) very tightly with a screwed- in round wedge and the =paper never slips. Once one side is no longer useful you can turn it =over and use the other side. Also available is 1" and 2" sandpaper in =rolls, but I also purchased their bargain box of end rolls (20lbs) and =nearly everything was 1" to 2.5" wide. Klingspor's web site is www.woodworkingshop.com Search on part numbers WT55010 (1" wide), WT55020 (2" wide) orWT55000 =(both) to see the blocks No financial interest and all that stuff.Bob I made two of theseabout = though the ones I made were only approx. 5/8" in thickness, and only a = work on them. I've got the one which I use for sanding the flats on the = They are made = round aluminum block to hold the paper in place. M-D Robert S = I recently bought two sanding blocks = Klingspor and got to use them this weekend and I am really impressed = hold a strip of sandpaper (nearly all the way around the block) very = with a screwed-in round wedge and the paper = Klingspor's web site is www.woodworkingshop.com Search on part numbers WT55010 (1"= stuff.Bob from dmanders@telusplanet.net Mon Jan 7 00:56:13 2002 g076uCW05086 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:56:12 -0600 (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with Subject: Digital Camera Guys, Have tried everything that I can think of to reduce the "shine " from thefinish when taking pictures of the cane rods. Anyone got any ideas how to light these things to get rid of the "shine" sothat the cane shows up? thanx, Don ffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from Lazybee45@aol.com Mon Jan 7 02:44:01 2002 g078i0W07440 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 02:44:00 -0600 Subject: Re: New Sanding Blocks In a message dated 1/6/02 9:14:08 PM Central Standard Time, jojo@ipa.netwrites: They are really cool too! I use mine a lot! Handy little thing! If I never said thanks MD, I do now! mark visit Mark's Magic Workshop! > from petermckean@netspace.net.au Mon Jan 7 04:43:51 2002 g07AhnW08859 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:43:50 -0600 g07Ahcv88811; Subject: Re: Digital Camera Using a polarising filter set to maximum screen should both block thepolarised reflected component to some extent, and enhance the bamboocolour. If you don't want to go buy a filter just to try it out, then just take afew shots through the lens of a good pair of polarising sunglasses; not asgood, but will certainly give you some indication as to whether thetechnique will work or not. Peter from ttalsma@macatawa.org Mon Jan 7 06:56:53 2002 g07CumW10416 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:56:48 -0600 id ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:49:53 -0500 id Y2QPV22L; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:49:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Garrison 209E Cold? Here in Michigan (the west coast that is), cold is just a stateof mind. Shoot, I don't know what all these people complain about, Iwas running errands with just a fleece pullover on Saturday. Bob Maulucci wrote: Liar, liar, pants on fire... -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Garrison 209E Cold! Here in Michigan we just closed the beaches on New Years and thepostal workers just switched from shorts to long pants last week! Brian -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from dnorl@qwest.net Mon Jan 7 07:15:59 2002 Received: from g07DFsW10915 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 2002 13:15:50 -0000 Received: from mplsdslgw11poolc131.mpls.uswest.net 7 Jan 2002 13:15:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:16:52 -0600 bob@downandacross.com, "Rodmakers List" MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X- dnorl@qwest.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CRENThere is no bad weather. Just bad clothes. In Minnesota the trout seasonopens on January 1 Dave -----Original Message----- From: Todd Talsma ; Rodmakers ListDate: Monday, January 07, 2002 6:57 AMSubject: Re: Garrison 209E Cold? Here in Michigan (the west coast that is), cold is just a stateof mind. Shoot, I don't know what all these people complain about, Iwas running errands with just a fleece pullover on Saturday. Bob Maulucci wrote: Liar, liar, pants on fire... -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Garrison 209E Cold! Here in Michigan we just closed the beaches on New Years and thepostal workers just switched from shorts to long pants last week! Brian --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Mon Jan 7 07:19:41 2002 g07DJeW11153 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:19:40 -0600 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:19:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Digital Camera Don, You might try "bouncing" the light from your flash. If your flash is capable of manual settings, aim it at a white or light colored ceiling, at an angle that would reflect the flash back down to the rod. You will have to do this using the flash with manual settings, because auto flash will determine the distance to the ceiling, and set the flash intensity for that distance. You'll need to double the distance on the flash, then add in a little more"fudge factor" distance because of the slight loss of light due to the reflection. I would take multiple pics with slightly different settings, some more, some less. That way you should get at least one useful pic out of the bunch. There's other ways of doing this, but this is about the easiest way. Mark At 11:52 PM 1/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: Guys, Have tried everything that I can think of to reduce the "shine " from the finish when taking pictures of the cane rods.Anyone got any ideas how to light these things to get rid of the "shine" so that the cane shows up? thanx, Donhttp://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html > from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Mon Jan 7 08:07:10 2002 g07E79W12504 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:07:09 -0600 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:07:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Digital Camera Ya, sure 'ting, you bet..... mark At 08:47 AM 1/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: Mark, May I add this to the tips archive? TIA. Mark Wendt wrote: Don, You might try "bouncing" the light from your flash. If your flash is capable of manual settings, aim it at a white or light colored ceiling,at an angle that would reflect the flash back down to the rod. You willhave to do this using the flash with manual settings, because auto flashwill determine the distance to the ceiling, and set the flash intensity forthat distance. You'll need to double the distance on the flash, then addin a little more"fudge factor" distance because of the slight loss of lightdue to the reflection. I would take multiple pics with slightly differentsettings, some more, some less. That way you should get at least oneusefulpic out of the bunch. There's other ways of doing this, but this is aboutthe easiest way. Mark At 11:52 PM 1/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: Guys, Have tried everything that I can think of to reduce the "shine " from thefinish when taking pictures of the cane rods.Anyone got any ideas how to light these things to get rid of the "shine"so that the cane shows up? thanx, Don http://www.telus planet.net/public/dmanders/index.html --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Jan 7 11:50:13 2002 g07HoCW24928 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:50:12 -0600 Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:50:07 -0800 Subject: Flaming FILETIME=[BE4682C0:01C197A3] To all,I was never thrilled with flaming with my prpane torch because it is rath=er slow and I've wondered if I'm getting too much heat penetration. At h=ome Depot, for $28, I picked up a torch handle with a three foot hose and=I also bought a bottle of MAPP gas and gave the system a try. It works =very well and I can adjust the flame up to a major roar. Much quicker to=flame a culm now. I really like it.Has anyone else out there tried MAPP gas? I have also used a plumbers to=rch with acetlyne and that works well also, but those torches are $200-$3= Toall, =I was never thrilled with flaming with my prpane torch because it is=rather slow and I've wondered if I'm getting too much heat penetration.&=nbsp; At home Depot, for $28, I picked up a torch handle with a three foo=t hose and I also bought a bottle of MAPP gas and gave the system a try.&=nbsp; It works very well and I can adjust the flame up to a major roar.&n= ers torch with acetlyne and that works well also, but those torches are $= from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Mon Jan 7 12:06:57 2002 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) g07I6vW25822 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:06:57 -0600 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:06:49 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E This raises the very important question of what to say to people who giveyou funny looks or even make comments when you are standing in your yardor(if your yard is full of trees) in a park lawn casting. I usually sigh andsay "This place is all fished out," but occasionally I say "The fishing wasgreat, though of course I practice catch-and-release." These comments are fine for adults, but have their best effect on children.The really young ones may actually believe some of it, which will give thema lot to think about. The others get to experience that archetype ofchildhood - the really weird neighborhood guy to be avoided at all cost. Ihave not yet taken a hidden stringer of store-bought fish out into the parkwith me, to display as I walk back to the car for the sake of theseonlookers. It's just a matter of time. Perhaps others on the list have additional suggestions on this significantaspect of rodmaking. Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Garrison 209E Has anyone built this taper and used a guide spacing different from thesuggestedone in the book? I tried a few things on a blank today, and I feltthat the 10 guides and the spacing from the book seemed to really kill theaction. Anyone have any success in changing the guide spacing? It feltbetter with the 9 guides and spacing I tried (derived from Frank's guideprogram, thanks), but I am not sure that it is as good as it gets. Forgiveme, but it is too cold here to stand outside and try 10 different spacings.I just wonder what your general impressions of this taper and suggestedspacing were. It feels almost like it wants a 6 WF to me.On the lighter side, I found today that standing in the driveway with threefeet of snow on each lawn around you simulates standing it water very well.Keep that back cast up.Thanks a million.Bob from jvswan@earthlink.net Mon Jan 7 12:35:45 2002 g07IZiW27397 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:35:44 -0600 (63.226.70.202) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108Subject: Re: Digital Camera Don, If you are taking the photo perpendicular to a nice shiny flat, then anyflash that goes off will be picked up by the gloss on the surface. If youdon't want that, then turn the flash off and use a different source oflight. A polarizing filter will help, but the best thing to do is to lightit without any hot spots or direct hits. You can do this by using a diffuser or a reflector to light the rod. Adiffuser can be as simple as a piece of white paper or a sheet in front ofthe light source (it should be really bright and directed toward the object from the side). Two or more light sources will minimized any shadows. Areflector would be a good way to shine diffuse light on the rod, as well.If you want to do a lot of photos, an inexpensive reflector can be purchasedat camera stores. If not, put some tin foil (dull side out) on a largepiece of cardboard and shine your light source toward the reflector (if youcan find it, gold foil or wrapping paper makes a nice, warm highlight thatmight really compliment the rod). You will need to play with the angles abit and it will help to set up in a well let room. Again, reflect the light from the side so that there is no direct light between the rod and thecamera lens. The reflector is good for diffuse light and makes goodhighlights, but it should not be used as the only source of light. One last suggestion, and possibly the best. If you want a really good photoof your rod (say for a brochure, or something) you can do what most prosdo.Fake it. It sounds immoral, but think of it like tying a really large flyto submit for publication in a magazine. If you can tie it on a size 4hook, then the photos will be easier to see and detail will be more obvious.In your case, make a prop rod and shoot it before you put that really niceglossy coat of varnish on, or give it a matte finish instead of a glossyone. No one will know by looking at the photos, but it will show thedetails of your workmanship that you are presumably trying to illustrate. Good luck, Jason On 1/6/02 11:52 PM, "Don & Sandy Andersen" wrote: Guys, Have tried everything that I can think of to reduce the "shine " from thefinish when taking pictures of the cane rods.Anyone got any ideas how to light these things to get rid of the "shine" sothat the cane shows up? thanx, Don http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from jojo@ipa.net Mon Jan 7 13:49:35 2002 g07JnYW00368 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:49:34 -0600 helo=default) id 16Nfly-0005LH-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:49:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E When my friend Chuck was learning to cast he would spend afternoons out inhis yard. The little tuft of yarn on the end of this tippet was more thanhis cat could endure, and the casting sessions often became a game of catand Chuck. One day, during one of their play times, an elderly neighbor waswalking down the street. She observed Chuck and the cat, then commented,"Now that's cat-fishing!"My dad has a cat that comes running to play, no matter where she is, whenshe hears the reel clicking off line. The fun part is to let her walk away,and she's not looking, then lay the line across her back. In case you don'tknow, cats jump straight up, then go into gymnastic contortions whensurprised.Did anyone ever answer Bob's original question? ;o) M-D This raises the very important question of what to say to people who giveyou funny looks or even make comments when you are standing in youryard or (if your yard is full of trees) in a park lawn casting. I usually sigh andsay "This place is all fished out," but occasionally I say "The fishing was great, though of course I practice catch-and-release." These comments are fine for adults, but have their best effect on children. The really young ones may actually believe some of it, which will give them a lot to think about. The others get to experience that archetype ofchildhood - the really weird neighborhood guy to be avoided at all cost. Ihave not yet taken a hidden stringer of store-bought fish out into the park with me, to display as I walk back to the car for the sake of theseonlookers. It's just a matter of time. Perhaps others on the list have additional suggestions on this significantaspect of rodmaking. Barry -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Garrison 209E Has anyone built this taper and used a guide spacing different from thesuggestedone in the book? I tried a few things on a blank today, and I felt that the 10 guides and the spacing from the book seemed to really kill theaction. Anyone have any success in changing the guide spacing? It feltbetter with the 9 guides and spacing I tried (derived from Frank's guideprogram, thanks), but I am not sure that it is as good as it gets. Forgiveme, but it is too cold here to stand outside and try 10 different spacings. I just wonder what your general impressions of this taper and suggestedspacing were. It feels almost like it wants a 6 WF to me.On the lighter side, I found today that standing in the driveway with three feet of snow on each lawn around you simulates standing it water very well. Keep that back cast up.Thanks a million.Bob from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Mon Jan 7 14:07:19 2002 g07K7IW01610 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:07:18 -0600 Subject: Split Bamboo and the cold Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools List, I like to fish in the winter, there are a couple catch and release areasthat allow for that on the river I fish. My question is - Is this bad 32 degrees, a light snow falling, makes for some interesting fishing, anoccasional Blue Winged Olive hatch or Winter Caddis. TIA, Pete from lblan@provide.net Mon Jan 7 14:07:20 2002 g07K7JW01612 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:07:19 -0600 with HTTP id 8732130; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:07:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E I was hoping for some innovative answers to the originalquestion, but I do believe I see a future for those littlestringers of plastic or carved wooden fish! Larry Blan On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:49:12 -0600"Jojo DeLancier" wrote: When my friend Chuck was learning to cast he would spendafternoons out inhis yard. The little tuft of yarn on the end of thistippet was more thanhis cat could endure, and the casting sessions oftenbecame a game of catand Chuck. One day, during one of their play times, anelderly neighbor waswalking down the street. She observed Chuck and the cat,then commented,"Now that's cat-fishing!"My dad has a cat that comes running to play, no matterwhere she is, whenshe hears the reel clicking off line. The fun part is tolet her walk away,and she's not looking, then lay the line across her back.In case you don'tknow, cats jump straight up, then go into gymnasticcontortions whensurprised.Did anyone ever answer Bob's original question? ;o) M-D From: "Kling, Barry W." This raises the very important question of what to say to people who give you funny looks or even make comments when you are standing in your yardor (if your yard is full of trees) in a park lawn casting. I usually sigh and say "This place is all fished out," but occasionally I say "The fishingwas great, though of course I practice catch-and-release." These comments are fine for adults, but have their best effect onchildren. The really young ones may actually believe some of it, which will givethem a lot to think about. The others get to experience that archetype of childhood - the really weird neighborhood guy to be avoided at all cost. I have not yet taken a hidden stringer of store-bought fish out into thepark with me, to display as I walk back to the car for the sake of these onlookers. It's just a matter of time. Perhaps others on the list have additional suggestions on this significant aspect of rodmaking. Barry -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Garrison 209E Has anyone built this taper and used a guide spacing different from the suggestedone in the book? I tried a few things on a blank today, and Ifelt that the 10 guides and the spacing from the book seemed to really kill the action. Anyone have any success in changing the guide spacing? It felt better with the 9 guides and spacing I tried (derived from Frank's guide program, thanks), but I am not sure that it is as good as it gets. Forgive me, but it is too cold here to stand outside and try 10 differentspacings. I just wonder what your general impressions of this taper and suggested spacing were. It feels almost like it wants a 6 WF to me. On the lighter side, I found today that standing in the driveway withthree feet of snow on each lawn around you simulates standing it water verywell. Keep that back cast up.Thanks a million.Bob from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Jan 7 14:10:32 2002 g07KAVW02128 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:10:31 -0600 (authenticated) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:12:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E Barry, I find that people tend to ask me smart questions like, "Catching any?" Myusual response is, "Well, if I catch this one I'm after, and two more, that'llmake three." Harry "Kling, Barry W." wrote: This raises the very important question of what to say to people who giveyou funny looks or even make comments when you are standing in youryard or(if your yard is full of trees) in a park lawn casting. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Jan 7 14:16:49 2002 g07KGnW02692 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:16:49 -0600 (authenticated) Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:18:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Pete, Gosh, I hope not. Best fishing in these parts is December throughFebruary. I've often had to clean ice out of my guides every few casts, andso far have discovered no ill effects. Well, at least none to the rod.Fishing when it's cold outside does horrible things to one's self-esteem.Sure makes you wonder if those folks who think we are crazy might be on tosomething. [:-)] Also, when one comes in after wading around in slushy waterit does terrible things to, shall we say, your "manhood." Harry Peter Van Schaack wrote: List, I like to fish in the winter, there are a couple catch and release areasthat allow for that on the river I fish. My question is - Is this bad --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from caneman@clnk.com Mon Jan 7 14:19:02 2002 g07KJ1W02968 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:19:01 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "Rod Makers" Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Pete,I fish nothing but bamboo, fish it year round... snow & ice storms orblistering heat. Just excercise proper care of the rod (don't put it back inthe tube with ice chunks in the guides, etc.) and you will have no problems. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Split Bamboo and the cold List, I like to fish in the winter, there are a couple catch and release areasthat allow for that on the river I fish. My question is - Is this bad 32 degrees, a light snow falling, makes for some interesting fishing, anoccasional Blue Winged Olive hatch or Winter Caddis. TIA, Pete from rcurry@ttlc.net Mon Jan 7 14:19:59 2002 g07KJwW03100 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:19:58 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Peter, It looks like I finally found a customer for my patented Electric RodSock. Seriously, I have fished many times with ice in the guides with no adverse effects (on the rod). That would be in 20 degree F weather.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Peter Van Schaack wrote: List, I like to fish in the winter, there are a couple catch and release areasthat allow for that on the river I fish. My question is - Is this bad 32 degrees, a light snow falling, makes for some interesting fishing, anoccasional Blue Winged Olive hatch or Winter Caddis. TIA, Pete . -- > from caneman@clnk.com Mon Jan 7 14:22:00 2002 Received: from Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:45:17 -0600 Message-ID:From: "Bob Nunley" , References: Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN when one comes in after wading around in slushy waterit does terrible things to, shall we say, your "manhood." Kinda makes it look like a man has two belly buttons... BOTH Innies! Bob from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Jan 7 14:23:04 2002 g07KN3W03573 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:23:03 -0600 (authenticated) Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:24:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Digital Camera Don, You've gotten lots of good advice already, and I'm certainly no photoexpert,but I'll offer my $.02 anyway. For the best looking photos, go outside, on acloudy day. Use no flash. The diffused light from the clouds makes forgreatlooking rod photos. I can send you an example or two if you would like. Harry Jason Swan wrote: Don, If you are taking the photo perpendicular to a nice shiny flat, then anyflash that goes off will be picked up by the gloss on the surface. If youdon't want that, then turn the flash off and use a different source oflight. A polarizing filter will help, but the best thing to do is to lightit without any hot spots or direct hits. You can do this by using a diffuser or a reflector to light the rod. Adiffuser can be as simple as a piece of white paper or a sheet in front ofthe light source (it should be really bright and directed toward the object from the side). Two or more light sources will minimized any shadows. Areflector would be a good way to shine diffuse light on the rod, as well.If you want to do a lot of photos, an inexpensive reflector can bepurchasedat camera stores. If not, put some tin foil (dull side out) on a largepiece of cardboard and shine your light source toward the reflector (if youcan find it, gold foil or wrapping paper makes a nice, warm highlight thatmight really compliment the rod). You will need to play with the angles abit and it will help to set up in a well let room. Again, reflect the light from the side so that there is no direct light between the rod and thecamera lens. The reflector is good for diffuse light and makes goodhighlights, but it should not be used as the only source of light. One last suggestion, and possibly the best. If you want a really good photoof your rod (say for a brochure, or something) you can do what most prosdo.Fake it. It sounds immoral, but think of it like tying a really large flyto submit for publication in a magazine. If you can tie it on a size 4hook, then the photos will be easier to see and detail will be more obvious.In your case, make a prop rod and shoot it before you put that really niceglossy coat of varnish on, or give it a matte finish instead of a glossyone. No one will know by looking at the photos, but it will show thedetails of your workmanship that you are presumably trying to illustrate. Good luck, Jason On 1/6/02 11:52 PM, "Don & Sandy Andersen"wrote: Guys, Have tried everything that I can think of to reduce the "shine " from thefinish when taking pictures of the cane rods.Anyone got any ideas how to light these things to get rid of the "shine"sothat the cane shows up? thanx, Donhttp://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Mon Jan 7 14:24:19 2002 g07KOJW03805 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:24:19 -0600 Subject: RE: Split Bamboo and the cold Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools In the infamous words of George Castansa - Shrinkage! -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Pete, Gosh, I hope not. Best fishing in these parts is December throughFebruary. I've often had to clean ice out of my guides every few casts,and so far have discovered no ill effects. Well, at least none to therod. Fishing when it's cold outside does horrible things to one'sself-esteem. Sure makes you wonder if those folks who think we are crazymight be on to something. [:-)] Also, when one comes in after wadingaround in slushy water it does terrible things to, shall we say, your"manhood." Harry Peter Van Schaack wrote: List, I like to fish in the winter, there are a couple catch and release areas that allow for that on the river I fish. My question is - Is this bad for a Bamboo rod --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from jojo@ipa.net Mon Jan 7 14:28:38 2002 g07KSbW04417 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:28:37 -0600 helo=default) id 16NgNg-0007JW-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:28:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E The most innovative answer to guide spacing you'll ever see is in Rodmakermagazine, Vol. 4, Issues 5 & 6. Those plastic guys are so far ahead of us onthis it ain't even funny. At least what they're doing will work for us, too.Why not use a rubber chicken, or two, also, Larry? M-D I was hoping for some innovative answers to the originalquestion, but I do believe I see a future for those littlestringers of plastic or carved wooden fish! Larry Blan "Jojo DeLancier" wrote: When my friend Chuck was learning to cast he would spendafternoons out inhis yard. The little tuft of yarn on the end of thistippet was more thanhis cat could endure, and the casting sessions oftenbecame a game of catand Chuck. One day, during one of their play times, anelderly neighbor waswalking down the street. She observed Chuck and the cat,then commented,"Now that's cat-fishing!"My dad has a cat that comes running to play, no matterwhere she is, whenshe hears the reel clicking off line. The fun part is tolet her walk away,and she's not looking, then lay the line across her back.In case you don'tknow, cats jump straight up, then go into gymnasticcontortions whensurprised.Did anyone ever answer Bob's original question? ;o) M-D From: "Kling, Barry W." This raises the very important question of what to say to people who give you funny looks or even make comments when you are standing in your yardor (if your yard is full of trees) in a park lawn casting. I usually sigh and say "This place is all fished out," but occasionally I say "The fishingwas great, though of course I practice catch-and-release." These comments are fine for adults, but have their best effect onchildren. The really young ones may actually believe some of it, which will givethem a lot to think about. The others get to experience that archetype of childhood - the really weird neighborhood guy to be avoided at all cost. I have not yet taken a hidden stringer of store-bought fish out into thepark with me, to display as I walk back to the car for the sake of these onlookers. It's just a matter of time. Perhaps others on the list have additional suggestions on this significant aspect of rodmaking. Barry -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Garrison 209E Has anyone built this taper and used a guide spacing different from the suggestedone in the book? I tried a few things on a blank today, and Ifelt that the 10 guides and the spacing from the book seemed to really kill the action. Anyone have any success in changing the guide spacing? It felt better with the 9 guides and spacing I tried (derived from Frank's guide program, thanks), but I am not sure that it is as good as it gets. Forgive me, but it is too cold here to stand outside and try 10 differentspacings. I just wonder what your general impressions of this taper and suggested spacing were. It feels almost like it wants a 6 WF to me. On the lighter side, I found today that standing in the driveway withthree feet of snow on each lawn around you simulates standing it water verywell. Keep that back cast up.Thanks a million.Bob from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Mon Jan 7 14:35:26 2002 g07KZQW05087 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:35:26 -0600 MAA23435; MAA05190; g07KZBU23138; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:35:11 -0800 "'Harry Boyd'" Subject: RE: Split Bamboo and the cold as elain said "you mean those things pull their heads in like a turtle" Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Split Bamboo and the cold In the infamous words of George Castansa - Shrinkage! -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Pete, Gosh, I hope not. Best fishing in these parts is December throughFebruary. I've often had to clean ice out of my guides every few casts,and so far have discovered no ill effects. Well, at least none to therod. Fishing when it's cold outside does horrible things to one'sself-esteem. Sure makes you wonder if those folks who think we are crazymight be on to something. [:-)] Also, when one comes in after wadingaround in slushy water it does terrible things to, shall we say, your"manhood." Harry Peter Van Schaack wrote: List, I like to fish in the winter, there are a couple catch and release areas that allow for that on the river I fish. My question is - Is this bad for a Bamboo rod --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from jeremy@goflyfishing.com Mon Jan 7 14:36:08 2002 g07Ka8W05221 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:36:08 -0600 helo=8hkx10b) id 16NgUz-0003JY-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:36:02 -0500 Subject: RE: Torch and propane tank Be careful if you got the big weed burner type torch. I was flaming someculms and had the hose come off the torch and cause a near disaster. I amglad I was doing this outside, instead of in the garage. I replaced thehose with a better one and used real hose clamps instead of the ones thatcame with it. Good luck.-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Troutgetter@aol.com Subject: Re: Torch and propane tank In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:01:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: I received a torch kit for Christmas http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40485I want to hook it up to a traditional BBQ propane tank. The fittings onthetorch are for the same disposables. What do I need to do to get ithookedup? Adam Vigil Go to home debit,Look in Bar-B-Que dept.They have a hose with the proper fittings on each end for what you want. Ihave it on my torch and campstove.Mike Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ culms and had the hose come off the torch and cause a near = hose with a better one and used real hose clamps instead of the ones = Troutgetter@aol.comSent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 dated 1/6/2002 9:01:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net= writes: =Christmashttp://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnu= want to hook it up to a traditional BBQ propane tank. The fittings = thetorch are for the same disposables. What do I need to do to = hookedup?Adam VigilGo to debit,Look in Bar-B-Que dept.They have a hose with the proper = CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ = from dr.matro@airmail.net Mon Jan 7 14:44:53 2002 g07KirW06115 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:44:53 -0600 id 16Ngda-000ImW-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:44:54 -0600 ring.iadfw.net sender: Organization: KC Graphics Subject: Re: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E We "lawn cast" a lot of rods in the parking lot at the fly shop I workat. The shop is right on a busy corner just up the street from a highschool. When asked the obvious, I just tell them , "We're catching lotsof suckers, but we release most of them." Ken Cole from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Mon Jan 7 14:52:33 2002 g07KqWW06842 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:52:32 -0600 Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:52:30 +0000 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: Re: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E Last month three of us were out casting ( 5/8oz plugs )on bamboo rodswhen one of my friends decided to show off his new carbon surf rod andreel.He was casting a 5 oz lead when he had a crack off and the lead and linedissappeared several hundred yards into someones back garden . Like thechildren we are we checked to see if we had done any damage ( or worse)and then we all legged it.............Point to note being whenever casting always take the greatest of care beit on grass or on water.I hate to think what damage a 5 oz lead coulddo...........makes you think eh ? Paul "Kling, Barry W." wrote: This raises the very important question of what to say to people who giveyou funny looks or even make comments when you are standing in youryard or(if your yard is full of trees) in a park lawn casting. I usually sigh andsay "This place is all fished out," but occasionally I say "The fishing wasgreat, though of course I practice catch-and-release." These comments are fine for adults, but have their best effect onchildren.The really young ones may actually believe some of it, which will give thema lot to think about. The others get to experience that archetype ofchildhood - the really weird neighborhood guy to be avoided at all cost. Ihave not yet taken a hidden stringer of store-bought fish out into the parkwith me, to display as I walk back to the car for the sake of theseonlookers. It's just a matter of time. Perhaps others on the list have additional suggestions on this significantaspect of rodmaking. Barry -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Garrison 209E Has anyone built this taper and used a guide spacing different from thesuggestedone in the book? I tried a few things on a blank today, and I feltthat the 10 guides and the spacing from the book seemed to really kill theaction. Anyone have any success in changing the guide spacing? It feltbetter with the 9 guides and spacing I tried (derived from Frank's guideprogram, thanks), but I am not sure that it is as good as it gets. Forgiveme, but it is too cold here to stand outside and try 10 different spacings.I just wonder what your general impressions of this taper and suggestedspacing were. It feels almost like it wants a 6 WF to me.On the lighter side, I found today that standing in the driveway with threefeet of snow on each lawn around you simulates standing it water verywell.Keep that back cast up.Thanks a million.Bob from rcolo@ix.netcom.com Mon Jan 7 15:01:05 2002 g07L14W07511 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:01:05 -0600 helo=n7x5g2) id 16Ngt8-00074I-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:00:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Digital Camera Don...try a polaroid filter....should work...Rich Colo-----Original Message----- From: Don & Sandy Andersen Subject: Digital Camera Guys, Have tried everything that I can think of to reduce the "shine " = from the finish when taking pictures of the cane rods.Anyone got any ideas how to light these things to get rid of the ="shine" so that the cane shows up? thanx, Don Don...try a polaroid = work...Rich Colo -----Original = CameraGuys,Have tried everythingthat I = think of to reduce the "shine " from the finish when = pictures of the cane rods.Anyone got any ideas how to light = from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Jan 7 15:29:05 2002 g07LT4W09121 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:29:04 -0600 (authenticated) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:30:41 -0800 Subject: Wax removal Hi Friends, Quick question... Got a rod here I want topolish a little, but it has already been waxed afew times. Is it necessary to remove the waxbefore attempting to polish the varnish? If so,what will safely remove wax without harming thefinish? Thanks,Harry -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from rcurry@ttlc.net Mon Jan 7 15:33:00 2002 g07LX0W09564 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:33:00 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Wax removal Harry, Turps. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Harry Boyd wrote: Hi Friends, Quick question... Got a rod here I want topolish a little, but it has already been waxed afew times. Is it necessary to remove the waxbefore attempting to polish the varnish? If so,what will safely remove wax without harming thefinish? Thanks,Harry -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- . -- > from horsesho@ptd.net Mon Jan 7 15:39:03 2002 Received: from g07Ld2W10095 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4179. . Clean. Processed in 2.238881secs); 07 Jan 2002 21:39:01 -0000 Received: from du120.cli.ptd.net (HELO ; 7 Jan 2002 21:38:58 -0000 Message-ID:Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:23:08 - 0500 Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X- Rodmakers Subject: Re: Wax removal horsesho@ptd.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN HiHarry, I do not think you have to remove the wax but mineral spirits (subturps) will do it. Marty Harry Boyd wrote: Hi Friends, Quick question... Got a rod here I want topolish a little, but it has already been waxed afew times. Is it necessary to remove the waxbefore attempting to polish the varnish? If so,what will safely remove wax without harming thefinish? Thanks,Harry -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from flytyr@southshore.com Mon Jan 7 16:09:15 2002 g07M9EW11936 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:09:14 -0600 g07M9DM31686 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:09:13 -0600 Subject: Re: Torch and propane tank Jeremy,If that was a Harbor Freight torch, there was aRECALL on some of them.You might contact them.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jeremy Gray wrote: Be careful if you got the big weed burner typetorch. I was flaming some culms and had thehose come off the torch and cause a neardisaster. I am glad I was doing this outside,instead of in the garage. I replaced the hosewith a better one and used real hose clampsinstead of the ones that came with it. Goodluck. -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Behalf Of Troutgetter@aol.comSent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:09 AM rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Torch and propane tank In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:01:09 AMPacific Standard Time,atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: I received a torch kit for Christmas http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40485 I want to hook it up to atraditional BBQ propane tank. Thefittings on thetorch are for the same disposables.What do I need to do to get ithookedup? Adam Vigil Go to home debit,Look in Bar-B-Que dept.They have a hose with the properfittings on each end for what youwant. I have it on my torch andcampstove.Mike Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from rmoon@ida.net Mon Jan 7 16:16:27 2002 g07MGQW12690 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:16:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Wax removal I would say that you do have to remove it, and either Turpentine or mineralspirits whould do the trick.Ralph "Marty D." wrote: Hi Harry, I do not think you have to remove the wax but mineral spirits(sub turps) will do it. Marty Harry Boyd wrote: Hi Friends, Quick question... Got a rod here I want topolish a little, but it has already been waxed afew times. Is it necessary to remove the waxbefore attempting to polish the varnish? If so,what will safely remove wax without harming thefinish? Thanks,Harry -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- --?IôO from pohl@earthlink.net Mon Jan 7 16:17:54 2002 g07MHrW12927 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:17:53 -0600 id 16Ni5Y-0002Jg-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:17:53 -0800 Subject: Agate & Agatine strippers How durable are these strippers? from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Jan 7 16:20:30 2002 g07MKTW13262 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:20:29 -0600 Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:20:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Torch and propane tank FILETIME=[807C8770:01C197C9] This was from Home Depot and not a weed burner. It is just a small hand =held torch with a 3' hose and has a belt clip which slips on to the valve=at the gas bottle. If I end up in orbit, I want Bob Nunley to catch me =on the way down-I know I'll be in good hands but a long way from home. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Torch and propane tank Jeremy,If that was a Harbor Freight torch, there was aRECALL on some of them.You might contact them.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jeremy Gray wrote: Be careful if you got the big weed burner typetorch. I was flaming some culms and had thehose come off the torch and cause a neardisaster. I am glad I was doing this outside,instead of in the garage. I replaced the hosewith a better one and used real hose clampsinstead of the ones that came with it. Goodluck. -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Behalf Of Troutgetter@aol.comSent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:09 AM rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Torch and propane tank In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:01:09 AMPacific Standard Time,atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: I received a torch kit for Christmas 40485 I want to hook it up to atraditional BBQ propane tank. Thefittings on thetorch are for the same disposables.What do I need to do to get ithookedup? Adam Vigil Go to home debit,Look in Bar-B-Que dept.They have a hose with the properfittings on each end for what youwant. I have it on my torch andcampstove.Mike Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ This wasfrom&= ley to catch me on the way down-I know I'll be in good hands but a long w= Spezio Sent: Monday, January 07,20= rodmakers@wug=ate.wustl.edu Subject: Re:T= Har=bor Freight torch, there was aRECALL on some of them.You mightco= FlyTyr@southshore.comJe= bur= clamps&= luck.&g= &g= rodmakers@wugate.wustl= Troutgetter@aol.c= 2002 9= atlasc1@earthlin= rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu= 1/6/2002 9= torch = http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?= fo= ne= a = ea= it= Mon= http://www.mshaybamboo.g= from caneman@clnk.com Mon Jan 7 16:59:32 2002 g07MxVW15449 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:59:31 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: Torch and propane tank John,If you're gonna go into orbit, do it tomorrow. It's supposed to be =65=B0 here on Wednesday, and we'll need a day of rest before heading out = snowing here yesterday afternoon, 28=B0 right now, supposed to not get =below freezing for the next 5 days. I think Will Rogers said it best... = Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:19 PMSubject: Re: Torch and propane tank This was from Home Depot and not a weed burner. It is just a small =hand held torch with a 3' hose and has a belt clip which slips on to the =valve at the gas bottle. If I end up in orbit, I want Bob Nunley to =catch me on the way down-I know I'll be in good hands but a long way = from home. ----- Original Message -----From: Tony SpezioSent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Torch and propane tank Jeremy,If that was a Harbor Freight torch, there was aRECALL on some of them.You might contact them.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jeremy Gray wrote: Be careful if you got the big weed burner typetorch. I was flaming some culms and had thehose come off the torch and cause a neardisaster. I am glad I was doing this outside,instead of in the garage. I replaced the hosewith a better one and used real hose clampsinstead of the ones that came with it. Goodluck. -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Behalf Of Troutgetter@aol.comSent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:09 AM rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Torch and propane tank In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:01:09 AMPacific Standard Time,atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: I received a torch kit for Christmas = I want to hook it up to atraditional BBQ propane tank. Thefittings on thetorch are for the same disposables.What do I need to do to get ithookedup? Adam Vigil Go to home debit,Look in Bar-B-Que dept.They have a hose with the properfittings on each end for what youwant. I have it on my torch andcampstove.Mike Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ John, of rest before heading out for those monster Arkansas Browns Wed. = = Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- John = RodmakersPost Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 = PMSubject: Re: Torch and propane =tank Nunley to catch me on the way down-I know I'll be in good hands but a = from home. ----- Original Message ----- Tony SpezioSent: Monday, January 07, = PM Subject: Re: Torch and = tank =owner- = = = message dated 1/6/2002 9:01:09 = = received a torch kit for = = Rod = = from joseus@cybertech.com.ar Mon Jan 7 17:07:39 2002 g07N7bW16057 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:07:37 -0600 g07MKrm17129 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:20:53 -0300 Subject: powered beveler ( opinion) Hola a todos. Yo estbe revisando y poniendo en orden, viejas revistas =Mecanica Popular del a=F1o 1985. Con asombro observe un articulo, que se =llama como sacarle un mejor uso al taladro de banco. Tengo la imagen y =el plano, para hacer la mesa adaptada a la herramienta. Yo pienso que =pudemos llegar a hacer un beveler para el perfilado preeliminar de las =varillas a 60=BA. Si alguno esta interesado puedo enviar la imagen y el =plano. Mejor seria enviarlo a la lista, con autorizacion, por =supuesto.Bueno amigos les envio un fuerte abrazo a todos. Alberto ( La =Avispa). Hello to all. Me estuve revising and putting in order, old magazines =Popular Mechanics of the year 1985. With astonishment he/she observes an=I articulate that calls you as taking out him a better use to the bank =drill. I have the image and the plane, to make the adapted table to the =tool. I think that pudemos to end up making a beveler for the profiling =preeliminar from the bars to 60=BA. If some this interested party can =send the image and the plane. Better serious to send it to the list, =with authorization, of course. Good friends ship them a strong hug to = joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/albertoyjoseusman=DAltima Actualizaci=F3n 03/01/2002con secciones nuevas! Hola a todos. Yo estbe revisando y poniendo en orden, viejas revistas = Mecanica Popular del a=F1o 1985. Con asombro observe un articulo, que se = como sacarle un mejor uso al taladro de banco. Tengo la imagen y el = hacer la mesa adaptada a la herramienta. Yo pienso que pudemos llegar a = beveler para el perfilado preeliminar de las varillas a 60=BA. Si alguno = interesado puedo enviar la imagen y el plano. Mejor seria enviarlo a la = con autorizacion, por supuesto.Bueno amigos les envio un fuerte abrazo a = Alberto ( La Avispa).Hello to all. Me estuve revising and putting in order, old magazines = Mechanics of the year 1985. With astonishment he/she observes an I = that calls you as taking out him a better use to the bank drill. I have = image and the plane, to make the adapted table to the tool. I think that = to end up making a beveler for the profiling preeliminar from the bars = If some this interested party can send the image and the plane. Better = to send it to the list, with authorization, of course. Good friends ship = strong hug to all. Alberto (The Wasp). =joseus@cybertech.com.arwww.geocities.com/alb= Actualizaci=F3n 03/01/2002con secciones =nuevas! from channer@frontier.net Mon Jan 7 18:33:58 2002 g080XwW18971 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:33:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Mark;They hold up just fine until you drop the rod and the stripper hitssomething hard, then they immediately turn into the best line shedderthere ever was. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would put oneon a rod they intended to fish. I have one customer at the moment whoinsists on having me put an agate stripper on his rod , I told him thathe would not only have to buy the first one, but also the next one andthe one after that and........john Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: How durable are these strippers? from magichandz@earthlink.net Mon Jan 7 18:54:02 2002 g080rwW19605 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:54:02 -0600 ([209.179.239.104] helo=kevin) id 16NkWW-0007LH-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:53:52 -0800 Subject: RE: Agate & Agatine strippers John (& List), Being a newcomer to rodbuilding (one so far), I've been led to believe thatagate was the "only" way to go for stripping guides on bamboo rods. Pleaseenlighten me (and other lurkers)as to some alternative substitutes. Thanks Kevin Erk -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Mark;They hold up just fine until you drop the rod and the stripper hitssomething hard, then they immediately turn into the best line shedderthere ever was. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would put oneon a rod they intended to fish. I have one customer at the moment whoinsists on having me put an agate stripper on his rod , I told him thathe would not only have to buy the first one, but also the next one andthe one after that and........john Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: How durable are these strippers? from saweiss@flash.net Mon Jan 7 18:54:29 2002 g080sSW19683 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:54:28 -0600 g080sQH156334 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:54:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E Organization: Prodigy Internet When asked how the fishing is or whether I'm catching anything, I usuallyreply, "Just street suckers".Steve from edriddle@mindspring.com Mon Jan 7 19:16:14 2002 g081GDW20683 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:16:13 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16Nks2-0003B8-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:16:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers John:Your comment reminds me of my Army days (early '60's), the old trainingSarge would scream, "Don't drop your weapon!!!". I don't ever ever remember dropping my rod eventhough I have lost myfootingmore than once while stream fishing. Also, I find a plus in cold weatherfishing, I don't have to worry about those "bloody snikes", which can causeyou to lose footing and/or drop the rod, right Tony Y? :>)Ed ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Mark;They hold up just fine until you drop the rod and the stripper hitssomething hard, then they immediately turn into the best line shedder john Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: How durable are these strippers? from piscator@macatawa.org Mon Jan 7 19:33:32 2002 g081XVW21252 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:33:31 -0600 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers I've used agatine extensively, and have taken some really photogenic spillsin places like 11 Mile and Cheeseman canyons on the S. Platte. Once Isanded the but out of my waders and dropped my rod into the stream andhadto spend half an hour fishing it out. Haven't broken a guide yet. (Now I'mjinxed and will probably blow one out putting it in the tube!) I think they are great, but on the small size. Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Mark;They hold up just fine until you drop the rod and the stripper hitssomething hard, then they immediately turn into the best line shedderthere ever was. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would put oneon a rod they intended to fish. I have one customer at the moment whoinsists on having me put an agate stripper on his rod , I told him thathe would not only have to buy the first one, but also the next one andthe one after that and........john Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: How durable are these strippers? from piscator@macatawa.org Mon Jan 7 19:35:15 2002 g081ZEW21427 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:35:14 -0600 Subject: Re: Wax removal Yeah. Or mineral spirits. ;^)----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Wax removal Harry,Turps. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Harry Boyd wrote: Hi Friends, Quick question... Got a rod here I want topolish a little, but it has already been waxed afew times. Is it necessary to remove the waxbefore attempting to polish the varnish? If so,what will safely remove wax without harming thefinish? Thanks,Harry -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- . -- from dickay@alltel.net Mon Jan 7 20:13:25 2002 g082DOW22696 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:13:24 -0600 srv.alltel.net Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:13:21 -0600 Subject: Re: Digital Camera Don, You might also check at your local photo shop for some dulling spray.This stuff wipes off after your done. Or try vegetable oil in a sprayer.Lightly spray the rod and then shoot the picture. My dad was a professional photographer and was always raiding Mom's pantry Dick Fuhrman from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Mon Jan 7 20:18:20 2002 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) g082IJW22974 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:18:19 -0600 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:00:15 -0600 Subject: RE: Split Bamboo and the cold I'd worry about plastic rods, not bamboo ones, in real cold. I've fished at-15F and colder with bamboo several times and never had any problemsbeyondice on the snake guides. Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Peter, It looks like I finally found a customer for my patented ElectricRod Sock. Seriously, I have fished many times with ice in the guides with no adverse effects (on the rod). That would be in 20 degree F weather.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Peter Van Schaack wrote: List, I like to fish in the winter, there are a couple catch and release areasthat allow for that on the river I fish. My question is - Is this bad 32 degrees, a light snow falling, makes for some interesting fishing, anoccasional Blue Winged Olive hatch or Winter Caddis. TIA, Pete . -- > from rkrees@mcn.net Mon Jan 7 20:25:56 2002 Received: fromatlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net From: "Ronnie L. Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Date: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 rkrees@mcn.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ?MYrod seem to hold up just fine in extreme weather and with the proper care Ihave noticed no ill effect. I will however like to caution at least in my casethe use of silk line below zero. I have several short lines that have justsnapped in cold fishing. Maybe someone can tell us of a preferred dressing g082XPW23752 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 2002 21:32:20 -0500 Message-ID: Date:Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:35:37 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ronnie, I have been fortunateand not experienced this breaking of lines. Were they new lines? Whatmaker? Thanks. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ RonnieL. Rees wrote: ?MY rod seem to hold up just fine in extreme weather and with the propercare I have noticed noill effect. I will however like to caution at least in my case the use ofsilk line below zero. I haveseveral short lines that have just snapped in cold fishing. Maybe someonecan tell us of apreferred dressing for silk in cold weather!Ron . -- > from channer@frontier.net Mon Jan 7 20:37:13 2002 Received: from g082bCW23994 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:39:59 -0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C- 1.0 Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Content-Type: text/plain; channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All Ican say is, something breaks the darn things. I've refinished approx. 2 dozenold rods with agate or agateen guides and all but one was broken. The chanceis there and likely, why take it? Maybe I fall down more than most, I usuallyfish the San Juan, which is slicker than snot( here's a tip for any first timevisitors to the Juan, DON'T step on flat rocks under water, stay on thecobbles!), I've managed to break 2 tips there in 6 yrs, have dropped my rodseveral times in the mountains scrambling around in the brush trying to workmy way upstream and have bent more than one snake guide in the process.Hey, you guys use what you want, I'll stick to PB TiC casting guides for mystrippers, I know they can take whatever I can dish out. jmho john BrianCreek wrote: I've used agatine extensively, and have taken some really photogenic spillsin places like 11 Mile and Cheeseman canyons on the S. Platte. Once Isanded the but out of my waders and dropped my rod into the stream andhadto spend half an hour fishing it out. Haven't broken a guide yet. (Now I'mjinxed and will probably blow one out putting it in the tube!) I think they are great, but on the small size. Brian----- Original Message -----From: "channer" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 7:36 PMSubject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Mark;They hold up just fine until you drop the rod and the stripper hitssomething hard, then they immediately turn into the best line shedderthere ever was. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would put oneon a rod they intended to fish. I have one customer at the moment whoinsists on having me put an agate stripper on his rod , I told him thathe would not only have to buy the first one, but also the next one andthe one after that and........john Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: How durable are these strippers? from rkrees@mcn.net Mon Jan 7 20:57:26 2002 g082vQW24639 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:57:26 -0600 helo=rkrees.mcn.net) id 16NmS3-0004En-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:57:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold ?These were old lines but in good shape though, I have only had it onextreme days most of thetime I have no problem. They first seem to ice a lot before this happens soI usually just changeover and give that line a good cleaning once I get home. The icing seems tocause a loop to bethrown into it and then it tighten's on itself causing a week spot. (Not AKnot)! The week spotwill show in the form of a hinge and if the line is used more it will oftenbreak. It is almost like Iam not getting a good dressing on them and the get impregnated with waterfreeze and break likeice.Ron from channer@frontier.net Mon Jan 7 20:58:20 2002 g082wJW24788 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:58:19 -0600 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:58:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Kevin;There are lots of other alternatives. Most any unbraced casting guidewill do fine. Anglers Workshop and REC both have Mildrum guides, Ibelieve Anglers also has some Mildrum SRMC's left, they have a finerring and weigh less than the standard Mildrum, many of the rodbuildingsuppliers have the same type of casting guides made by both Perfectionand Pacific Bay. My personal stripper du joir is the Pac Bay 8mm castingguide in the titanium carbide finish, it turns a very nice black whenvarnished over. BUT!!!!!!!!, all this is a very personal kinda thing,you use whatever you find that turns you on, far be it for me to saywhat is right or wrong, I only know what I like and what makes sense tome.john Kevin wrote: John (& List), Being a newcomer to rodbuilding (one so far), I've been led to believe thatagate was the "only" way to go for stripping guides on bamboo rods. Pleaseenlighten me (and other lurkers)as to some alternative substitutes.Thanks Kevin Erk -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:37 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Mark;They hold up just fine until you drop the rod and the stripper hitssomething hard, then they immediately turn into the best line shedderthere ever was. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would put oneon a rod they intended to fish. I have one customer at the moment whoinsists on having me put an agate stripper on his rod , I told him thathe would not only have to buy the first one, but also the next one andthe one after that and........john Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: How durable are these strippers? from jojo@ipa.net Mon Jan 7 20:58:29 2002 g082wTW24864 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:58:29 -0600 helo=default) id 16NmT3-00046K-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:58:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Mildrum stripper guides. There are several types fromwhich to choose. www.rec.com or www.reccomponents.com M-D From: "Kevin" John (& List), Being a newcomer to rodbuilding (one so far), I've been led to believe that agate was the "only" way to go for stripping guides on bamboo rods. Please enlighten me (and other lurkers)as to some alternative substitutes. Thanks Kevin Erk Mark;They hold up just fine until you drop the rod and the stripper hitssomething hard, then they immediately turn into the best line shedderthere ever was. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would put oneon a rod they intended to fish. I have one customer at the moment whoinsists on having me put an agate stripper on his rod , I told him thathe would not only have to buy the first one, but also the next one andthe one after that and........john Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: How durable are these strippers? from dickay@alltel.net Mon Jan 7 21:02:07 2002 g08326W25283 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:02:06 -0600 srv.alltel.net Subject: Sharpening and Wooden Planes List: Today I got the latest issue of Shopnotes Magazine (Issue #61). Itscover story is a homemade low speed sharpening wheel that uses a drillpress a power leather strop built in or on. I think that I will be building oneof these. This is great because a drill press can be slowed down byadjustment of the belt. Also, there is an article on building wooden bodied planes. They sure lookpretty.Dick Fuhrman from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Jan 7 21:11:47 2002 g083BkW25859 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:11:46 -0600 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:11:45 -0500 Subject: Planing jig I just posted two photos of a simple jig for planing with two handed planes. the front side, with two toggle clamps in place. In practice, one of them would always be swung back out of the way. ( I got the toggle clamp idea from Carsten.) The jig solves two problems for me. It raises the forms to a better height for me, and provides clamps positioned at the end or center of any strip.Jig2.jpg shows the backside of the setup. There are several possible positions for the clamps to be fixed. Basically, I just drilled holes and backed them up with Tee Nuts wherever I thought I might need them. Dimensions of the jig are 5 feet long, 3" high, and 5 1/2" wide. The Plane in Jig1.jpg is a UK Stanley #3 retro fitted with a hock blade and rosewood handles.Astute viewers will see that the jig is solid walnut. Several months ago, I was having a polite exchange of e-mails with Bill Harms, when all of a sudden, for no reason at all, he accused me of having the aesthetic sense of a Warthog. I was crushed! I thought I had at least worked myself up into the Aardvark category. How about it Bill? Am I promoted now? Anyone not buying this? Oh arright, I confess. 2 years ago my dumbass brother-in-law had a walnut tree taken down. He had it sawn into boards, and I had to make him a mantlepiece, but I got a couple hundred board feet for free. from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Jan 7 21:15:46 2002 g083FjW26131 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:15:45 -0600 Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In a message dated 1/8/2 2:26:36 AM, rkrees@mcn.net writes: How about Tabasco sauce? from lblan@provide.net Mon Jan 7 21:28:25 2002 g083SPW26662 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:28:25 -0600 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:28:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Sharpening and Wooden Planes You beat me to it. The author's intent is that it be used with a strip ofsandpaper around the outside. The sandpaper is applied over a strip ofleather, just begging to have diamond paste applied to it. This is a fairlyclever idea. Assuming you have a drill press, it is made with a few dollarsworth of MDF and plywood, some leather and a few bits of hardware out ofthejunk drawer. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu FuhrmanSent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: Sharpening and Wooden Planes List: Today I got the latest issue of Shopnotes Magazine (Issue#61). Itscover story is a homemade low speed sharpening wheel that uses adrill press It even hasa power leather strop built in or on. I think that I will be building oneof these. This is great because a drill press can be slowed down byadjustment of the belt. Also, there is an article on building wooden bodied planes. Theysure lookpretty.Dick Fuhrman from Lazybee45@aol.com Mon Jan 7 21:36:58 2002 g083awW27057 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:36:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E In a message dated 1/7/02 1:50:20 PM Central Standard Time, jojo@ipa.netwrites: This is another odd thing. We have this cat toy that is basicly a stick with a long piece of yarn attached. i use it to get in a little "practice" in my living room. any one of the three cats (well, maybe the old FAT one won't, but the other two do!) will attack the thing and pounce! Fun exercise! mark visit Marks Magic Wrokshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html from Lazybee45@aol.com Mon Jan 7 21:37:39 2002 g083bcW27163 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:37:38 -0600 Subject: Re: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E In a message dated 1/7/02 2:08:20 PM Central Standard Time,lblan@provide.net writes: "Lawn carp" mark visit Marks Magic Wrokshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html from lblan@provide.net Mon Jan 7 21:37:54 2002 g083brW27247 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:37:53 -0600 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:37:52 -0500 Subject: RE: Planing jig Nice stuff! I've been toying with the idea of a clamp on a small block,sliding in a dovetail the length of the forms. I don't even think a holddownscrew would be necessary, the pressure of the clamp would lock it in thedovetail. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu TSmithwick@aol.comSent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: Planing jig I just posted two photos of a simple jig for planing with twohanded planes. Jig1.jpg showsthe front side, with two toggle clamps in place. In practice, one of themwould always be swung back out of the way. ( I got the toggleclamp idea fromCarsten.) The jig solves two problems for me. It raises the formsto a betterheight for me, and provides clamps positioned at the end or center of anystrip.Jig2.jpg shows the backside of the setup. There are several possiblepositions for the clamps to be fixed. Basically, I just drilled holes andbacked them up with Tee Nuts wherever I thought I might need them.Dimensions of the jig are 5 feet long, 3" high, and 5 1/2"wide. The Planein Jig1.jpg is a UK Stanley #3 retro fitted with a hock bladeand rosewoodhandles.Astute viewers will see that the jig is solid walnut. Severalmonths ago, Iwas having a polite exchange of e-mails with Bill Harms, when all of asudden, for no reason at all, he accused me of having theaesthetic sense ofa Warthog. I was crushed! I thought I had at least worked myselfup into theAardvark category. How about it Bill? Am I promoted now? Anyone not buying this? Oh arright, I confess. 2 years ago my dumbass brother-in-law had a walnuttree taken down. He had it sawn into boards, and I had to make him amantlepiece, but I got a couple hundred board feet for free. from Lazybee45@aol.com Mon Jan 7 21:39:50 2002 g083dnW27601 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:39:49 -0600 Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold fbcwin@3g.quik.com In a message dated 1/7/02 2:36:16 PM Central Standard Time, patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com writes: As a kid I remember my grandmother reciting a kids rhyme that went "Wee Willie Winkie....." mark visit Marks Magic Wrokshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Jan 7 21:55:41 2002 g083teW28336 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:55:41 -0600 (authenticated) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:57:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Planing jig Tom, Gosh, I almost hate to say this, and I'm just thinking out loud, butcouldn't one use a power planer with a rig like this? Sure would save a lot ofelbow grease. But they do make a heck of a racket. Harry TSmithwick@aol.comI just posted two photos of a simple jig for planing with two handedplanes.-- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Mon Jan 7 22:04:37 2002 g0844aW28802 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:04:36 -0600 Subject: Re: Flaming I use a plumbers torch with a six ft hose and a 20# (BBQ size) propane =tank. Adjusting the air mixture to give a soft flame, and adjust the =propane to give a 3 to 4" long flame. The nice thing about the plumbers =torch is the pilot light setting can be adjusted to just stay lit, and =with a touch of the trigger the main flame is there. I've had mine for =years and never used it until I started building rods. Must have picked =it up at a sale. MSC and other industrial supply places have them, but =as John pointed out they are not cheap unless you can get one at a sale. Kurt-----Original Message-----From: John Long Subject: Flaming To all,I was never thrilled with flaming with my prpane torch because it is =rather slow and I've wondered if I'm getting too much heat penetration. =At home Depot, for $28, I picked up a torch handle with a three foot =hose and I also bought a bottle of MAPP gas and gave the system a try. =It works very well and I can adjust the flame up to a major roar. Much =quicker to flame a culm now. I really like it.Has anyone else out there tried MAPP gas? I have also used a =plumbers torch with acetlyne and that works well also, but those torches = I use a plumbers torch with a = soft flame, and adjust the propane to give a 3 to 4" long = nice thing about the plumbers torch is the pilot light setting can be = to just stay lit, and with a touch of the trigger the main flame is = I've had mine for years and never used it until I started building = have them, but as John pointed out they are not cheap unless you can get = a sale. Kurt -----Original = RodmakersPost <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= FlamingTo all,I was never thrilled with flaming with my prpane torch because = three foot hose and I also bought a bottle of MAPP gas and gave the = it. plumbers torch with acetlyne and that works well also, but those = from dnorl@qwest.net Mon Jan 7 22:28:12 2002 g084SBW29584 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:28:11 -0600 (63.228.45.31) Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Our trout season in Minnesota opens Jan. 1 I fish all winter. There's no badweather just bad clothes. I fish my bamboo rods with no apparent problems.I'm thinking about tabasco sauce on the line tho. Maybe will keep the guidesthawed out. I have a winter rod with all #5 snakesmade from very light wire Dave-----Original Message----- Subject: Split Bamboo and the cold List, I like to fish in the winter, there are a couple catch and release areasthat allow for that on the river I fish. My question is - Is this bad 32 degrees, a light snow falling, makes for some interesting fishing, anoccasional Blue Winged Olive hatch or Winter Caddis. TIA, Pete from KyleDruey@aol.com Mon Jan 7 23:40:58 2002 g085evW02095 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:40:57 -0600 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:40:47 -0500 Subject: Quad Form Building Evening everyone, I've been tinkering around with hex to quad conversions so I can noodle out a layout for a three bar steel quad form. Form building is not my idea of a good time, but I figured that I might as well take a look at this while I still rember all the mistakes I just made building my hex forms. I could be doing something wrong, I think, because converting from hex to quad, using Garrison's model, seemed only a matter of changing the cross-sectional area and the moment of inertia. Those are impressive sounding words that I looked up in the archives aren't they? Bust me here if I used the wrong in-gun-eering terms, but doing this in my geeky stresscurve spreadsheet, and with a little code monkeying in VBA, I was able to convert my tweeked version of the PHY Midge as follows: PHY Midge (modified) Diameter Area Hex Quad of Quad of Quad Hex QuadStation Diameter Diameter to Hex to Hex Form Form(in.) (in.) (in.) Ratio Ratio Depth Depth***** ****** ****** ******* ******* ******* *******0 0.067 0.060 0.896 0.926 0.034 0.0421 0.068 0.061 0.895 0.924 0.034 0.0435 0.074 0.066 0.894 0.924 0.037 0.04710 0.091 0.082 0.895 0.925 0.046 0.05815 0.109 0.097 0.894 0.922 0.055 0.06920 0.124 0.111 0.894 0.923 0.062 0.07925 0.139 0.124 0.892 0.919 0.070 0.08830 0.155 0.138 0.890 0.915 0.078 0.09835 0.169 0.151 0.889 0.913 0.085 0.10640 0.183 0.163 0.888 0.910 0.092 0.11545 0.196 0.173 0.887 0.907 0.098 0.12350 0.207 0.183 0.886 0.906 0.104 0.13055 0.219 0.193 0.884 0.902 0.109 0.13760 0.229 0.202 0.881 0.897 0.115 0.14365 0.238 0.210 0.880 0.894 0.119 0.148 First thing that strikes me is that the usual conversion factor for hex to quad mentioned of 0.89 seems like a good idea. The conversion factor forhex to quad ranges from 0.90 to 0.88. Also, the other oft mentioned conversion factor of 0.93 relates fairly well to the cross-sectional areas. Assuming my math and modeling are both correct (a big if here since I a math hack), then I have the following questions as it relates to quad form building: 1) Seems like quads will rest deeper in the forms than with hex forms. Station 5 hex depth is 0.5 * 0.074 = 37 mils deep. The quad dimension for the same station will be (((0.066*0.5)2)*2)0.5 = 47 mils deep. I am not sure if my math is correct, I'm not good at geometry, any comment on this? 2) If quads are deeper in the forms, then does the slope on the forms haveto be greater than 0.001 per inch? My hex forms are 0.160 X 0.90 on the butt side ends, and 0.90 X 0.20 on the tip side ends, 6' long with 15 stations per side. Translating this to quads for the largest butt dimension would be (((0.89*0.160)2)*2)0.5 = 0.201 (using the quick and dirty conversion factor of 0.89), the rest of the dimensions would be 0.113 and 0.025, using 15 stations and dividing by 72" gives a slope of (0.201-0.113)/72 =0.00122. Should the forms be built with the larger slope, or the traditional 0.001" slope? 3) The only designs for three bar quad forms I have seen have the 45* bevel on the middle form, does this matter, and can the bevel be on the twooutside bars? This would make forming the goove much easier. One could simply remove the middle bar, close the two outside forms up, and make the 45* groove with a threading tool and/or a square file mounted in a wooden holder that has a 45* groove routed down the middle, then put the square middlebar back in. 4) It takes five holes per station using the push/pull system (2 cap screws, 2 set screws, 1 dowling pin). This a lot of holes to drill and tap (75 total - yikes!) through three bars. It would be easier to use the Garrison differential screws, as only two screws are needed per station. How are the differential screws made, or can they purchased? I know this is a lot to digest, at least for me it is, but any help would be appreciated. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I am counting on the much smarter folks on this list to show me the error of my ways...maybe tell me the easier way to build the forms (besides buying them). Its getting late, I'm tired, have a great night everyone, Kyle from rodwrapp@swbell.net Tue Jan 8 00:59:20 2002 g086xJW03531 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:59:19 -0600 (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) Subject: Re: Flaming I use to do Heating and Air, also a plumber for the same company.. I wouldsuggest get a torch called a Turbo Torch. all you need is a actelene bottleand they work excellent. Thanks Dave----- Original Message ----- From: Flashmail - Kurt Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:58 PMSubject: Re: Flaming I use a plumbers torch with a six ft hose and a 20# (BBQ size) propanetank. Adjusting the air mixture to give a soft flame, and adjust the propaneto give a 3 to 4" long flame. The nice thing about the plumbers torch is thepilot light setting can be adjusted to just stay lit, and with a touch of thetrigger the main flame is there. I've had mine for years and never used ituntil I started building rods. Must have picked it up at a sale. MSC and otherindustrial supply places have them, but as John pointed out they are notcheap unless you can get one at a sale. Kurt-----Original Message-----From: John Long Subject: Flaming To all,I was never thrilled with flaming with my prpane torch because it is ratherslow and I've wondered if I'm getting too much heat penetration. At homeDepot, for $28, I picked up a torch handle with a three foot hose and I alsobought a bottle of MAPP gas and gave the system a try. It works very welland I can adjust the flame up to a major roar. Much quicker to flame a culmnow. I really like it.Has anyone else out there tried MAPP gas? I have also used a plumberstorch with acetlyne and that works well also, but those torches are $200-$300. John I use to do Heating and Air, also a plumber for thesame company.. I would suggest get a torch called a Turbo Torch. all you need is a Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Flashmail - Kurt Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:58 PMSubject: Re: Flaming I use a plumbers torch with a six fthose a nice thing about the plumbers torch is the pilot light setting can be adjusted to just stay lit, and with a touch of the trigger the main flame is industrial supply places have them, but as John pointed out they are notcheap unless you can get one at a sale. Kurt -----Original Message-----From: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:58 AMSubject: FlamingTo all,I was never thrilled with flaming with my prpane torch because it is rather slow and I've wondered if I'm getting too much heat with a three foot hose and I also bought a bottle of MAPP gas and gave thesystem a plumbers torch with acetlyne and that works well also, but those torchesare from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 8 01:13:25 2002 g087DOW03978 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:13:24 -0600 helo=default) id 16NqRn-0004pI-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 02:13:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Flaming www.turbotorch.com Imagine that. M-D I use to do Heating and Air, also a plumber for the same company.. I wouldsuggest get a torch called a Turbo Torch. all you need is a actelene bottleand they work excellent. Thanks Dave from ajthramer@hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 01:53:57 2002 g087ruW04952 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:53:56 -0600 Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:53:51 -0800 Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:53:51 GMT Subject: RE: Agate & Agatine strippers FILETIME=[9CA7C6D0:01C19819] You have been led to believe by purveyors of the agate guides no doubt. Most rods were built with a casting type of stripping guide anyway. If there is a choice between agate or 'agatine' , take the agatine as they are more durable. The pacbay TiCh guides look good and work well and have the added benfit of being reasonably priced. The Mildrum SRMC carboloy guides are a top notch strip guide. The PacBay ones are a bit heavy and the frames are too high for my taste but they funtion well. Chromed boat guides are correct Bay TiCh unbraced spinning guide in 8mm and they work well. I have noticed that most beginner rodmakers seem to NEED an agate guide for somereason.A.J. From: "Kevin" Subject: RE: Agate & Agatine strippersDate: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:01:21 - 0800 John (& List), Being a newcomer to rodbuilding (one so far), I've been led to believe thatagate was the "only" way to go for stripping guides on bamboo rods. Pleaseenlighten me (and other lurkers)as to some alternative substitutes. Thanks Kevin Erk -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:37 PM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Mark;They hold up just fine until you drop the rod and the stripper hitssomething hard, then they immediately turn into the best line shedderthere ever was. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would put oneon a rod they intended to fish. I have one customer at the moment whoinsists on having me put an agate stripper on his rod , I told him thathe would not only have to buy the first one, but also the next one andthe one after that and........john Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: How durable are these strippers? _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 03:02:46 2002 g0892jW06029 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:02:45 -0600 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers I tend to do the very opposite and drop the rod if I slip because I otherwise I'm afraid I'll land badly on the rod, usually with at least one knee between my hands where the rod is. I broke a surf rod on rocks that way once which was a bugger because I walked and almost swam a couple of times for about 45 mins with a lot of gear to get there just to come straight back again. It was graphite so prob doesn't count but I was annoyed at the time. A fishing rod does double duty in snake country because you can wave it in front as you go along. I'm unsure if makes any dif for the snakes but it makes you take notice of where you're putting your feet. [:-)] When you see one that's worth taking notice of my usual response is drop the rod, jump 3 feet in the air turn around in mid flight and retrace my steps yelling "run away, run away". The trouble is those browns and tigers hunt in packs. [:-)] It's not really that bad. Sometimes it worse. Tony At 08:17 PM 1/7/02 -0500, Ed Riddle wrote: John:Your comment reminds me of my Army days (early '60's), the old trainingSarge would scream, "Don't drop your weapon!!!". I don't ever ever remember dropping my rod eventhough I have lost myfootingmore than once while stream fishing. Also, I find a plus in cold weatherfishing, I don't have to worry about those "bloody snikes", which can causeyou to lose footing and/or drop the rod, right Tony Y? :>)Ed /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 03:02:47 2002 g0892jW06030 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:02:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Digital Camera It takes some messing about and I don't know if you can do this with a digital cameras because they may want to compensate too much but thebest time of day is early morning when the light is soft. If you can manage it take the pic near a window with soft early morning light angling in on the subject and reflect some light back onto the subject from a large white card.That will increase light from the same source reduce shadow.Danny Twang has taken some very nice rod pics he's shown me and that'swhat he's recommended to me in the past. Tony At 08:08 PM 1/7/02 -0600, Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: Don, You might also check at your local photo shop for some dulling spray.This stuff wipes off after your done. Or try vegetable oil in a sprayer.Lightly spray the rod and then shoot the picture. My dad was a professional photographer and was always raiding Mom'spantry Dick Fuhrman /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from horsesho@ptd.net Tue Jan 8 05:31:31 2002 g08BVUW07660 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:31:30 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4179. . Clean. Processed in 0.976202 secs); 08 Jan 200211:31:29 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers --------------030409020807010904020000 The chances of dropping a rod and cracking the agate are minimal. I just picked up a 1920's 7 1/2' FE Thomas that needs a complete redo from years of fishing (wraps just disintergrate) but the orig. agate guide is perfect. If you like agate use it! Marty channer wrote: Mark;They hold up just fine until you drop the rod and the stripper hitssomething hard, then they immediately turn into the best line shedderthere ever was. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would put oneon a rod they intended to fish. I have one customer at the moment whoinsists on having me put an agate stripper on his rod , I told him thathe would not only have to buy the first one, but also the next one andthe one after that and........john Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: How durable are these strippers? --------------030409020807010904020000 The chances of dropping a rod and cracking the agate are minimal. I just redo from yearsof fishing (wraps just disintergrate) but the orig. agate guide is perfect.If you like agate use it! Marty channer wrote: Mark;They hold up just fine until you drop the rod and thestripper hitssomething hard, then they immediately turn into the bestline shedderthere ever was. I'm still trying to figure out why anyonewould put oneon a rod they intended to fish. I have one customer at themoment whoinsists on having me put an agate stripper on his rod , I toldhim thathe would not only have to buy the first one, but also the nextone andthe one after that and........johnMark & KathyPohl wrote: How durable are these strippers? --------------030409020807010904020000-- from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 06:39:57 2002 g08CdsW09020 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:39:55 -0600 "Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: Sharpening and Wooden Planes Thanks for the link Dick,I just took a look at this and saw this sub link which has some really good stuff in it:http://www.woodworkingtips.com/woodtips/ There was one hint missing though which is worth adding relating to routing. If you need to work out where to position the edge you need to rout along when cutting a dado all you need to do is make a wooden T-Square, clamp it to some scrap wood then run the router with the desired bit in place along the T-Square and run it over the T part cutting it off.This way all you have to do is place the T part that has been cut at the mark on the work the dado will be cut, clamp everything up and it's perfectly positioned to rout. Tony At 08:57 PM 1/7/02 -0600, Dick & Kathy Fuhrman wrote: List: Today I got the latest issue of Shopnotes Magazine (Issue #61). Itscover story is a homemade low speed sharpening wheel that uses a drillpress a power leather strop built in or on. I think that I will be building oneof these. This is great because a drill press can be slowed down byadjustment of the belt. Also, there is an article on building wooden bodied planes. They sure lookpretty.Dick Fuhrman /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from dmanders@telusplanet.net Tue Jan 8 06:54:07 2002 g08Cs6W09367 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:54:06 -0600 (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with Subject: Digital Camera Guys, My thanls to all those that responded. Got a lot of ideas that I'm going to try. regards, Don ffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from aebersold@ou.edu Tue Jan 8 07:12:57 2002 g08DCuW09781 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:12:56 -0600 id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:12:55 -0600 Subject: help with a problem I'm making my second bamboo rod and have a problem. I started sandingafterglueing one of my tips and about two inches from the tip one of the flatsdidn't seat right. Looks like the binding thread caught it and twisted itabout 15 degrees. Can I heat to break the glue bond and re-glue? If so anysuggestions would be most appreciated.Dennis Aebersold from aebersold@ou.edu Tue Jan 8 07:14:18 2002 g08DEHW09934 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:14:17 -0600 id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:14:16 -0600 Subject: forgot I used URAC glue.-d from rcolo@ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 8 07:18:20 2002 g08DIJW10275 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:18:20 -0600 id 16Nw8q-0002AR-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:18:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Hi Barry, There a whole slew of us here in Conn. that stop bamboo at 45 degrees.Can't remember where we got the info from but we have been using it asbible rod makers that told us to do it? Rich-----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Split Bamboo and the cold I'd worry about plastic rods, not bamboo ones, in real cold. I've fished at-15F and colder with bamboo several times and never had any problemsbeyondice on the snake guides. Barry -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:22 PM Cc: Rod MakersSubject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Peter,It looks like I finally found a customer for my patented ElectricRod Sock.Seriously, I have fished many times with ice in the guides with noadverse effects (on the rod). That would be in 20 degree F weather.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Peter Van Schaack wrote: List, I like to fish in the winter, there are a couple catch and release areasthat allow for that on the river I fish. My question is - Is this bad 32 degrees, a light snow falling, makes for some interesting fishing, anoccasional Blue Winged Olive hatch or Winter Caddis. TIA, Pete . -- from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Tue Jan 8 07:26:19 2002 g08DQIW10726 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:26:18 -0600 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:26:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Torch and propane tank Ye God's Guys, kind the propane business for over 40 years, and as a young pup, I worked for local propane dealer, and have him/her make you up the proper hose, with outside and lucky enough not to have burned the house down, you were alsolucky to have not given yourself serious burns from the gas igniting atthe end of the hose where it disconnected from the torch.Mark At 05:19 PM 1/7/2002 -0500, you wrote:This was from Home Depot and not a end up in orbit, I want Bob Nunley to catch me on the way down-I knowI'll be in good hands but a long way from home. john ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Spezio Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:11 PM tank Jeremy, If that was a Harbor Freight torch, there was a RECALL on some of them. You might contact them. Jeremy Gray wrote: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu 9:09 AM tank 9:01:09 AM Christmas disposables. from edriddle@mindspring.com Tue Jan 8 09:07:54 2002 g08F7rW14726 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:07:53 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16Nxqx-0003Ut-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:07:52 -0500 Subject: Not rodmaking - Falling down Not knowing how to fall can result in you breaking more than your rod. Years of playing football in my youth and later a little parachuting =mandated I learn how to meet the ground. I'm sure that some of you =already know this as well, or better than I. But for those that don't: Don't try to break your fall with your hands if you're pitching forward =unless you're on soft sand. To some this may be instinctive but could =cause broken fingers, hands, forearms and bloody knees, face, broken =glasses, etc. Instead, roll into a fetal position as you're going down, =landing on your side and cushioning your fall with a meaty part of your =body, outside of your thigh, hip, upper arm, etc. If you're in the =water, you're going to get wet either way. If you're falling backwards, = If you didn't grow up busting your a** as I did, practice falling while =you're out there lawn casting (that'll give the onlookers another reason =to call the whitecoats). Only by practicing will you be able to overide =the "hands out front" instinct. If you fish streams with those rods =you're building, you will fall.Regards.Ed = breaking more than your rod. Years of playing football in my youth = meaty part of your body, outside of your thigh, hip, upper arm, = = did, practice falling while you're out there lawn casting (that'll give = streams with those rods you're building, you will fall.Regards.Ed from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Tue Jan 8 09:49:20 2002 g08FnJW16800 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:49:19 -0600 Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:48:41 -0700 0700 with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:49:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers FILETIME=[F1DD42A0:01C1985B] g08FnKW16801 John --- is not joking!Never trust the guy who says he fishes the San Juan and has never bouncedhis tail. When you fall on this river you are in very good company. Jim Maybe I fall down more than most, I usually fish the San Juan, which is slicker thansnot( here's a tip for any first time visitors to the Juan, DON'T stepon flat rocks under water, stay on the cobbles!), john B from lblan@provide.net Tue Jan 8 09:51:22 2002 g08FpMW17077 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:51:22 -0600 with HTTP id 8804335; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down Wow, a controlled fall. This is a great concept, one I wouldlike to master. Unfortunately, some power seems to havedictated that if I fall, it is a feet out from under me, armwaving fall. Those who witnessed my plunge off the dock atGrayling last year can attest to this! Larry Blan On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:09:42 -0500"Ed Riddle" wrote: Not knowing how to fall can result in you breaking morethan your rod. Years of playing football in my youth and later a littleparachuting mandated I learn how to meet the ground. I'msure that some of you already know this as well, orbetter than I. But for those that don't: Don't try to break your fall with your hands if you'repitching forward unless you're on soft sand. To somethis may be instinctive but could cause broken fingers,hands, forearms and bloody knees, face, broken glasses,etc. Instead, roll into a fetal position as you're goingdown, landing on your side and cushioning your fall witha meaty part of your body, outside of your thigh, hip,upper arm, etc. If you're in the water, you're going toget wet either way. If you're falling backwards, justsit down, big cushion there. If you didn't grow up busting your a** as I did, practicefalling while you're out there lawn casting (that'll givethe onlookers another reason to call the whitecoats).Only by practicing will you be able to overide the "handsout front" instinct. If you fish streams with those rodsyou're building, you will fall.Regards.Ed from rcurry@ttlc.net Tue Jan 8 10:00:36 2002 g08G0ZW17857 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:00:35 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down Definitely an 8.5 for technique. As a plus, the sudden dramatic rise in water level had the fish start feeding. : )Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ lblan@provide.net wrote: Wow, a controlled fall. This is a great concept, one I wouldlike to master. Unfortunately, some power seems to havedictated that if I fall, it is a feet out from under me, armwaving fall. Those who witnessed my plunge off the dock atGrayling last year can attest to this! Larry Blan from jojo@ipa.net Tue Jan 8 10:07:51 2002 g08G7oW18373 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:07:50 -0600 helo=default) id 16Nymy-0005X0-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:07:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down Obviously, Larry, you've not mastered the control of gravity, where yoususpend its effects momentarily as you are falling. Looks like someone needsa little practice. Go out into your front yard, on the grass, and beginfalling down. Each time you fall think to yourself that you are going slowerand slower, as if you really are suspending the law of gravity. Do this1,000 times a day for 1,000 days straight, without let-up, then get back tous with your results. M-D Wow, a controlled fall. This is a great concept, one I wouldlike to master. Unfortunately, some power seems to havedictated that if I fall, it is a feet out from under me, armwaving fall. Those who witnessed my plunge off the dock atGrayling last year can attest to this! Larry Blan On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:09:42 -0500"Ed Riddle" wrote: Not knowing how to fall can result in you breaking morethan your rod. Years of playing football in my youth and later a littleparachuting mandated I learn how to meet the ground. I'msure that some of you already know this as well, orbetter than I. But for those that don't: Don't try to break your fall with your hands if you'repitching forward unless you're on soft sand. To somethis may be instinctive but could cause broken fingers,hands, forearms and bloody knees, face, broken glasses,etc. Instead, roll into a fetal position as you're goingdown, landing on your side and cushioning your fall witha meaty part of your body, outside of your thigh, hip,upper arm, etc. If you're in the water, you're going toget wet either way. If you're falling backwards, justsit down, big cushion there. If you didn't grow up busting your a** as I did, practicefalling while you're out there lawn casting (that'll givethe onlookers another reason to call the whitecoats).Only by practicing will you be able to overide the "handsout front" instinct. If you fish streams with those rodsyou're building, you will fall.Regards.Ed from gjm80301@yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 10:18:15 2002 g08GIEW19261 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:18:14 -0600 Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:18:14 PST Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Raising my hand here. The San Juan is the only river I have fallen in during the past twoyears. Three times. They should put some of that slippery stuff on the space shuttle. --- James Harris wrote: John --- is not joking!Never trust the guy who says he fishes the San Juan and has neverbounced his tail. When you fall on this river you are in very good company. Jim Maybe I fall down more than most, I usually fish the San Juan,which is slicker thansnot( here's a tip for any first time visitors to the Juan, DON'Tstepon flat rocks under water, stay on the cobbles!), john B __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 10:37:35 2002 g08GbXW20615 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:37:34 -0600 Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down According to Arthur Dent the trick is to forget all about falling and that works until you think about it...apparently. Tony At 10:07 AM 1/8/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Obviously, Larry, you've not mastered the control of gravity, where yoususpend its effects momentarily as you are falling. Looks like someoneneedsa little practice. Go out into your front yard, on the grass, and beginfalling down. Each time you fall think to yourself that you are going slowerand slower, as if you really are suspending the law of gravity. Do this1,000 times a day for 1,000 days straight, without let-up, then get back tous with your results. M-D From: Wow, a controlled fall. This is a great concept, one I wouldlike to master. Unfortunately, some power seems to havedictated that if I fall, it is a feet out from under me, armwaving fall. Those who witnessed my plunge off the dock atGrayling last year can attest to this! Larry Blan On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:09:42 -0500"Ed Riddle" wrote: Not knowing how to fall can result in you breaking morethan your rod. Years of playing football in my youth and later a littleparachuting mandated I learn how to meet the ground. I'msure that some of you already know this as well, orbetter than I. But for those that don't: Don't try to break your fall with your hands if you'repitching forward unless you're on soft sand. To somethis may be instinctive but could cause broken fingers,hands, forearms and bloody knees, face, broken glasses,etc. Instead, roll into a fetal position as you're goingdown, landing on your side and cushioning your fall witha meaty part of your body, outside of your thigh, hip,upper arm, etc. If you're in the water, you're going toget wet either way. If you're falling backwards, justsit down, big cushion there. If you didn't grow up busting your a** as I did, practicefalling while you're out there lawn casting (that'll givethe onlookers another reason to call the whitecoats).Only by practicing will you be able to overide the "handsout front" instinct. If you fish streams with those rodsyou're building, you will fall.Regards.Ed /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from caneman@clnk.com Tue Jan 8 10:55:04 2002 g08Gt4W21763 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:55:04 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down Maybe I should start having "Falling" classes next year. I do it quite =often, and rarely do more than get bruised up... no bad cuts, no broken =bones... Falling Down is a true art, and those of us who have mastered =it should share it with others! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com Subject: Not rodmaking - Falling down Not knowing how to fall can result in you breaking more than your rod. Years of playing football in my youth and later a little parachuting =mandated I learn how to meet the ground. I'm sure that some of you =already know this as well, or better than I. But for those that don't: Don't try to break your fall with your hands if you're pitching =forward unless you're on soft sand. To some this may be instinctive but =could cause broken fingers, hands, forearms and bloody knees, face, =broken glasses, etc. Instead, roll into a fetal position as you're =going down, landing on your side and cushioning your fall with a meaty =part of your body, outside of your thigh, hip, upper arm, etc. If =you're in the water, you're going to get wet either way. If you're = If you didn't grow up busting your a** as I did, practice falling =while you're out there lawn casting (that'll give the onlookers another =reason to call the whitecoats). Only by practicing will you be able to =overide the "hands out front" instinct. If you fish streams with those =rods you're building, you will fall.Regards.Ed Maybe I should start having "Falling" classes next = I do it quite often, and rarely do more than get bruised up... no bad = broken bones... Falling Down is a true art, and those of us who have = should share it with others! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- Riddle = Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002= AMSubject: Not rodmaking - = down Not knowing how to fall = Years of playing football in my youth = meaty part of your body, outside of your thigh, hip, upper arm, = If you didn't grow up = did, practice falling while you're out there lawn casting (that'll = will you be able to overide the "hands out front" = fish streams with those rods you're building, you will =fall.Regards.Ed from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 8 12:10:05 2002 g08IA4W25951 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:10:04 -0600 Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down In a message dated 1/8/02 9:10:35 AM Central Standard Time, edriddle@mindspring.com writes: Yeah, I discovered a couple of things about falling from my years riding bicycles and motorcycles. I broke a wrist once because I grabbed a front brake and fell, sticking a hand down. BIG mistake!More recently I ahve been riding a "recumbent" bicycle which if you fall, you fall on your butt usually instead of going over on your head.In addition, I took a few years of Karate which teaches you how to take a fall and reduce your impact with the ground as well. If any of you have a "fear" of falling, taking something like a Karate, Aikido or Judo class might be of some asistance. On the other hand I still fall like a wet bag of ....well, you know! mark visit Marks Magic Workshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 8 12:14:28 2002 g08IESW26297 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:14:28 -0600 Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down Read Douglas Adam's great book "Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy" andpractice the technique therein proposed. "The art of flying is to throw yourself at the ground, and miss!" mark visit Marks Magic Workshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Tue Jan 8 12:55:04 2002 g08It3W28297 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:55:03 -0600 Subject: re: help with a problem Dennis, Do you have enough extra length in your blank to cut off the 2" problem areaand shift the section down 2"? I'm only on my second rod, so I leave 5" oneach end to fudge with. I know the experts on the list leave only an inch ortwo, but I'm not that sure of myself yet. I don't think you can unglue it andget it back together. Is the entire section twisted, or just one spline out ofposition? If the section is twisted you may be able to warm it with a heatgun and twist it back. If a spline is twisted your best bet may be to re- planeanother set of splines if you can't shift the section to get rid of the problem. Good luck, Kurt "Aebersold, Dennis R" wrote:__________ I'm making my second bamboo rod and have a problem. I started sandingafterglueing one of my tips and about two inches from the tip one of the flatsdidn't seat right. Looks like the binding thread caught it and twisted itabout 15 degrees. Can I heat to break the glue bond and re-glue? If so anysuggestions would be most appreciated.Dennis Aebersold from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 13:59:36 2002 g08JxZW01624 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:59:35 -0600 08 Jan 2002 11:59:34 PST Subject: re: help with a problem i always leave 5" on each end of the blank. timothy --- Kurt Clement wrote: Dennis, Do you have enough extra length in your blank to cutoff the 2" problem area and shift the section down2"? I'm only on my second rod, so I leave 5" oneach end to fudge with. I know the experts on thelist leave only an inch or two, but I'm not thatsure of myself yet. I don't think you can unglueit and get it back together. Is the entire sectiontwisted, or just one spline out of position? If thesection is twisted you may be able to warm it with aheat gun and twist it back. If a spline is twistedyour best bet may be to re-plane another set ofsplines if you can't shift the section to get rid ofthe problem. Good luck, Kurt "Aebersold, Dennis R" wrote:__________ I'm making my second bamboo rod and have a problem. I started sanding after glueing one of my tips and about two inches from the tip one of the flats didn't seat right. Looks like the binding thread caught it and twisted it about 15 degrees. Can I heat to break the glue bond and re-glue? If so any suggestions would be most appreciated.Dennis Aebersold ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from dryfly@erols.com Tue Jan 8 14:52:01 2002 g08Kq1W08057 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:52:01 -0600 ([208.58.203.66] helo=erols.com) id 16O3Do-000027-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:51:48 -0500 Subject: Re: help with a problem I have also started leaving an extra 5" on each end of the blank. Ithink it was Bob Maulucci that previously passed on a Tom Morgan tipabout the extra 5 inches. When binding glued sections the hardest areato keep straight and keep from twisting is the last few inches of theblank. By leaving the extra 5 inches on each end you can straighten theglued blank easier (more blank for applying leverage to straighten anduntwist) and the most twisted/crooked end areas get cut off anyway whenyou cut the blank to the finished length. Sorry if this is getting off the subject and not directly addressing theissue at hand, but hopefully it will help with future rods.Bob from ttalsma@macatawa.org Tue Jan 8 15:18:31 2002 g08LIVW09824 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:18:31 -0600 id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:11:45 -0500 id Y2QPVJQF; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:11:43 -0500 Subject: Tips archive updated All, I've just uploaded the latest revision to the tips archive. Enjoy, and thanks to all who've contributed to the site. PS: If you've ever missed one of Rev. Dr. Boyd's Christmas missives,I've gone to the archives and they are out on the site now. Check theleft hand navigation buttons, toward the bottom.-- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from aebersold@ou.edu Tue Jan 8 15:24:45 2002 Received: from g08LOiW10492 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:24:44 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: more detail on tip problem Date: Tue, format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or allof this message may not be legible. ------ and triple check after gluing but it is worse than I first reported. Theproblem starts at the -guess what-node that is located 5" from the intendedend of the rod. I gave myself 2" to work with so this is really 7" down the rodand I don't have that much at the butt. On spline is twisted up for about 3inches with the adjacent spline tucked under and then goes back into place.One suggestion was fill it in with glue and try to sand it out so it looks halfway decent. It will be a gift to my assistant and she might use it 3 times ayear. Your thoughts, will it be so brittle that it will break. I suppose I canthrow a dozen casts and give her a one tip rod if the sucker doesn't make itor be a real professional and keep it myself and start over [:- (] -d DennisAebersold PS what a great list. I have gotten so many responses in such ashort time. None that I wanted to hear but everyone agreed that it won'tcome unglued without ruining it! ------ Thanks for all problem starts at the -guess what-node that is located 5" from the intended the rod and I don't have that much at the butt. On spline is twisted up forabout 3 inches with the adjacent spline tucked under and then goes back into the sucker doesn't make it or be a real professional and keep it myself and Aebersold PS what a great None that I wanted to hear but everyone agreed that it won't come ungluedwithout ruining it! ------ Tue Jan 8 15:47:03 2002 Received: from natco3.southshore.com g08LkpM22016; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:46:51 -0600 Message-ID:Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:44:41-0600 From: Tony Spezio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 aebersold@ou.edu CC: "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu"Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Would "ou.edu" happen to beOklahoma. If this is a gift, I would not let it go that way. A gift is shownaround and someone will comment on it. It could reflect on the type of workyou do. It bothers you now, I think it will bother you more later if you let itgo. I would either let the rod go with one tip or make up another tip section..Keep that bad tip for yourself. Make a butt section from leftovers to go withit. This can be a rod that you don't worry about. Just make it to fish. Not toomuch of an answer but that is what I would do. Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com\. "Aebersold, Dennis R" wrote: Thanks for all the advise thus far. Lessonlearned is to leave more space on the end andtriple check after gluing but it is worse than Ifirst reported. The problem starts at the-guess what-node that is located 5" from theintended end of the rod. I gave myself 2" towork with so this is really 7" down the rod andI don't have that much at the butt. On spline istwisted up for about 3 inches with the adjacentspline tucked under and then goes back intoplace. One suggestion was fill it in with glueand try to sand it out so it looks half waydecent. It will be a gift to my assistant andshe might use it 3 times a year. Your thoughts,will it be so brittle that it will break. Isuppose I can throw a dozen casts and give her aone tip rod if the sucker doesn't make it or bea real professional and keep it myself and startover L -d Dennis Aebersold PS what a great list. I have gotten so manyresponses in such a short time. None that Iwanted to hear but everyone agreed that it won'tcome unglued without ruining it! from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Jan 8 15:49:25 2002 g08LnHW12287 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:49:17 -0600 (authenticated) Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:50:42 -0800 Subject: Re: help with a problem Bob(s),When you leave an extra 5" on the tip end of a smallish tip section,doesn't that overhang the forms quite a bit? Harry Robert S Williams wrote: I have also started leaving an extra 5" on each end of the blank. -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from bob@downandacross.com Tue Jan 8 15:52:52 2002 g08LqkW12574 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:52:46 -0600 Subject: RE: help with a problem Forms? Are you still in the Dark Ages, man? (Just kidding.)Been using the Hand Mill for a while now. Sorry.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: help with a problem Bob(s),When you leave an extra 5" on the tip end of a smallish tip section,doesn't that overhang the forms quite a bit? Harry Robert S Williams wrote: I have also started leaving an extra 5" on each end of the blank. -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from Callum.Ross@macquarie.com Tue Jan 8 15:52:56 2002 g08LqsW12591 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:52:54 -0600 g08LoFn29890 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:50:15 +1100 g08Lqp311257 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:52:52 +1100 NT_SYD_MS02.macbank for;Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:52:49 +1100 id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:52:49 +1100 Subject: Burl cork rings this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. I was wondering if anyone had ever tried using burl cork as a spacer for acork/sliding ring reel seat. I thought it may be interesting to see what thecolour difference looked like but was not sure if the stuff could take theabuse of the rings and reel seat. Thanks, Callum. NOTICEThis e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyrightmaterial of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intendedrecipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act inreliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies ofthem. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or anyattached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own andmay not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. Burl cork rings I was wondering if anyone had evertried u=sing burl cork as a spacer for a cork/sliding ring reel seat. I thought it =may be interesting to see what the colour difference looked like but was no=t sure if the stuff could take the abuse of the rings and reel seat.= Thanks, Callum. NOTICEThis e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright=material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended re=cipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act=in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copi=es of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emailso=r any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own =and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. from blitzenrods@yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 16:21:23 2002 g08MLLW14708 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:21:22 -0600 Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:21:21 PST Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Try sanding whatever flat surfaces you have withoutover sanding the bamboo surfaces that might protrude,then do the best you can on the tucked spline. Tapesome guides on it and put it through the rigors. Ifthe displacement isn't too big and glue filled theinterior displacements adequately, I bet it will holdtogether. What are the diameters at this point? Yourfirst guide will be in this general area, and thatwill help with strength integrity and maybe cover upthe worst of it. Good luck. Chris --- "Aebersold, Dennis R" wrote: Thanks for all the advise thus far. Lesson learnedis to leave more spaceon the end and triple check after gluing but it isworse than I firstreported. The problem starts at the -guesswhat-node that is located 5" from the intended end of the rod. I gave myself 2"to work with so this isreally 7" down the rod and I don't have that much atthe butt. On spline istwisted up for about 3 inches with the adjacentspline tucked under and thengoes back into place. One suggestion was fill it inwith glue and try tosand it out so it looks half way decent. It will bea gift to my assistantand she might use it 3 times a year. Your thoughts,will it be so brittlethat it will break. I suppose I can throw a dozencasts and give her a onetip rod if the sucker doesn't make it or be a realprofessional and keep itmyself and start over [:-(] -d Dennis Aebersold PS what a great list. I have gotten so manyresponses in such a short time.None that I wanted to hear but everyone agreed thatit won't come ungluedwithout ruining it! __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from saweiss@flash.net Tue Jan 8 16:32:50 2002 g08MWnW15508 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:32:49 -0600 g08MWgR244876 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:32:42 -0500 Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Organization: Prodigy Internet Dennis,It's just one section, and not even finished! It's just a piece of =bamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born child. This is called = If you don't f**k up once in a while, you aren't going to learn!Steve @font-face { font-family: Wingdings;}P.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1} Dennis,It's just one section, and not even = It's just a piece of bamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born = is called paying your dues. If you don't f**k up once in a while, = going to learn!Steve from bob@downandacross.com Tue Jan 8 16:41:18 2002 g08MfHW16108 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:41:17 -0600 Subject: RE: more detail on tip problem I must be learning a lot.-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Dennis,It's just one section, and not even finished! It's just a piece ofbamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born child. This is called payingyour dues.If you don't f**k up once in a while, you aren't going to learn!Steve @font-face { font-family: Wingdings;}P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT- SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT- FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1} learning a lot. = WeissSent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:33 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: more detail on problem Dennis,It's just one section, and not even = It's just a piece of bamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born = This is called paying your dues. If you don't f**k up once in a = aren't going to learn!Steve from richjez@enteract.com Tue Jan 8 16:59:53 2002 g08MxrW17124 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:59:53 -0600 "Rodmakers discussion group" Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down --=====================_2630389==_.ALT He also said that the way to fly is to throw yourself at the ground and miss.Rich At 10:42 AM 1/8/02, Tony Young wrote: According to Arthur Dent the trick is to forget all about falling and that works until you think about it...apparently. Tony At 10:07 AM 1/8/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Obviously, Larry, you've not mastered the control of gravity, where yoususpend its effects momentarily as you are falling. Looks like someoneneedsa little practice. Go out into your front yard, on the grass, and beginfalling down. Each time you fall think to yourself that you are going slowerand slower, as if you really are suspending the law of gravity. Do this1,000 times a day for 1,000 days straight, without let-up, then get backtous with your results. M-D From: Wow, a controlled fall. This is a great concept, one I wouldlike to master. Unfortunately, some power seems to havedictated that if I fall, it is a feet out from under me, armwaving fall. Those who witnessed my plunge off the dock atGrayling last year can attest to this! Larry Blan On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:09:42 -0500"Ed Riddle" wrote: Not knowing how to fall can result in you breaking morethan your rod. Years of playing football in my youth and later a littleparachuting mandated I learn how to meet the ground. I'msure that some of you already know this as well, orbetter than I. But for those that don't: Don't try to break your fall with your hands if you'repitching forward unless you're on soft sand. To somethis may be instinctive but could cause broken fingers,hands, forearms and bloody knees, face, broken glasses,etc. Instead, roll into a fetal position as you're goingdown, landing on your side and cushioning your fall witha meaty part of your body, outside of your thigh, hip,upper arm, etc. If you're in the water, you're going toget wet either way. If you're falling backwards, justsit down, big cushion there. If you didn't grow up busting your a** as I did, practicefalling while you're out there lawn casting (that'll givethe onlookers another reason to call the whitecoats).Only by practicing will you be able to overide the "handsout front" instinct. If you fish streams with those rodsyou're building, you will fall.Regards.Ed /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ --=====================_2630389==_.ALT He also said that the way to fly is to throw yourself at theground and miss.Rich At 10:42 AM 1/8/02, Tony Young wrote:According to Arthur Dent the trick is toforget all about falling and that works until you think aboutit...apparently. Tony At 10:07 AM 1/8/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote:Obviously, Larry, you've not mastered thecontrol of gravity, where yoususpend its effects momentarily as you are falling. Looks like someoneneedsa little practice. Go out into your front yard, on the grass, andbeginfalling down. Each time you fall think to yourself that you are goingslowerand slower, as if you really are suspending the law of gravity. Dothis1,000 times a day for 1,000 days straight, without let-up, then get backtous with your results. M-D wrote: some going to just "hands rods /*************************************************************************/AV Young www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ --=====================_2630389==_.ALT-- from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Tue Jan 8 17:25:08 2002 g08NP6W18345 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:25:07 -0600 Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:24:31 -0700 0700 with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:25:00 -0700 Subject: RE: more detail on tip problem FILETIME=[9FFBD9C0:01C1989B] g08NP8W18348 A true measure of skill in any craft is not weather one makes mistakes, buthow gracefully one recovers from them.This includes throwing bad tip sections in the burn pile with a full twistingback flip. "Bob Maulucci" 01/08/02 03:40PM >>> I must be learning a lot.-----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Steven A. WeissSent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:33 PM Dennis,It's just one section, and not even finished! It's just a piece ofbamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born child. This is called payingyour dues.If you don't f**k up once in a while, you aren't going to learn!Steve from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Jan 8 17:33:09 2002 g08NX9W18774 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:33:09 -0600 Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In a message dated 1/8/02 4:42:12 PM Central Standard Time, bob@downandacross.com writes: yeah me too! mark visit Marks Magic Workshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 17:42:55 2002 g08NgsW19548 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:42:54 -0600 08 Jan 2002 15:42:54 PST Subject: Re: help with a problem no--- Harry Boyd wrote: Bob(s),When you leave an extra 5" on the tip end of asmallish tip section,doesn't that overhang the forms quite a bit? Harry Robert S Williams wrote: I have also started leaving an extra 5" on each end of the blank. -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 17:45:23 2002 g08NjMW20063 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:45:23 -0600 08 Jan 2002 15:45:21 PST Subject: Re: help with a problem oops! no it doesn't. i leave 5 inches on both ends.timothy --- Harry Boyd wrote: Bob(s),When you leave an extra 5" on the tip end of asmallish tip section,doesn't that overhang the forms quite a bit? Harry Robert S Williams wrote: I have also started leaving an extra 5" on each end of the blank. -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from le_moucheux@hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 18:13:06 2002 g090D5W23912 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:13:05 -0600 Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:12:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Burl cork rings FILETIME=[638355C0:01C198A2] Burl cork ringsI use burl cork rings for handle on wading staves. I =would not recommend it for any other use. It's very granular and tends =to break up... hope this helps Mike Subject: Burl cork rings I was wondering if anyone had ever tried using burl cork as a spacer = see what the colour difference looked like but was not sure if the stuff =could take the abuse of the rings and reel seat. NOTICEThis e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain =copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not =the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, =re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, =and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee =the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions =expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions = Burl cork rings I use burl cork rings for handle on = I would not recommend it for any other use. It's very granular and tends = break up... hope this helps Mike ----- Original Message ----- Callum Ross Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002= PMSubject: Burl cork rings I was wondering if anyone had ever = cork as a spacer for a cork/sliding ring reel seat. I thought it may = interesting to see what the colour difference looked like but was not = the stuff could take the abuse of the rings and reel seat.Thanks, Callum.NOTICEThis e-mail and any attachments are = may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If = re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any = should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee = integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions = are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of = Bank. from pohl@earthlink.net Tue Jan 8 18:21:44 2002 g090LhW24352 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:21:43 -0600 id 16O6Uv-0004gE-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:21:42 -0800 Subject: tube size ( 2 tip rod) ? What size tube (1 5/8 or 2") is generally used for storing 7' 4wt (2 tip)bamboo flyrod? Mark from saweiss@flash.net Tue Jan 8 18:26:07 2002 g090Q6W24617 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:26:06 -0600 g090Q1g321424 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:26:01 -0500 Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Organization: Prodigy Internet Every time I think I've screwed up every way possible, I invent a new =one. I must be a genius!Steve I must be learning a lot.-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu = Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Dennis,It's just one section, and not even finished! It's just a piece of =bamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born child. This is called = If you don't f**k up once in a while, you aren't going to learn!Steve @font-face { font-family: Wingdings;}P.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1} Every time I think I've screwed up = possible, I invent a new one. I must be a genius!Steve I must be learning a lot. -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.w= rodmakers@w= Behalf Of Steven A. WeissSent: Tuesday, January 08,= Re: more detail on tip problem Dennis,It's just one section, and not = first-born child. This is called paying your dues. If you don't f**k up once in a = aren't going to learn!Steve= from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Tue Jan 8 18:50:11 2002 g090oAW25279 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:50:10 -0600 Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Steve, Couldn't have said it better!!!!tom Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Dennis,It's just one section, and not even finished! It's just a piece of =bamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born child. This is called = If you don't f**k up once in a while, you aren't going to learn!Steve @font-face { font-family: Wingdings;}P.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1} Steve, Couldn't have said it better!!!!tom ----- Original Message ----- Steven = Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002= PMSubject: Re: more detail on tip = problem Dennis,It's just one section, and not even = It's just a piece of bamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born = This is called paying your dues. If you don't f**k up once in a = aren't going to learn!Steve from beadman@mac.com Tue Jan 8 19:23:42 2002 g091NgW26224 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:23:42 -0600 Subject: Jon Clarke... 1201583074==_ma============" --============_-1201583074==_ma============ Someone (Jeff S.??) mentioned looking for Jon Clarke's email address/web site recently. He has new website domain : www.twinpinesrods.com (note the 's' in there). Claude--============_-1201583074==_ma============ Jon Clarke...Someone (Jeff S.??) mentioned looking for Jon Clarke's email the 's' in there). Claude --============_-1201583074==_ma============-- from splitcane@attbi.com Tue Jan 8 19:24:20 2002 g091OJW26330 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:24:19 -0600 Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:24:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Hi Mark... My experience with hundreds of vintage rods with agate/agatineguides is there very durable, it's a very rare case they need more then agood cleaning. Nothing dress a rod like top end hardware, so if aestheticsare important to you a agate stripper is very nice... The Mildrums are probably more durable in the long run and 25% the cost ofagate, on a hard fishing rod they probably are more practical since... On a side note you can get Mildrum Guides at Rick's Rods at 20% to 30% offeveryone else price out there and they have all the styles... info@ricksrods.com http://www.ricksrods.com/index.html * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------------* * * * * * * * * *-------- ----------------------------------* * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------- -----* * * * * * * * * *------------------------------------------* * * * * * * * * * --- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------" United We Stand " Take Care, Dave Denver Dave's Vintage Bamboo Rodswww.denverdave.net ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Agate & Agatine strippers How durable are these strippers? from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 20:20:42 2002 g092KfW28044 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:20:41 -0600 Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:20:33 -0800 Subject: Re: tube size ( 2 tip rod) ? FILETIME=[375FE050:01C198B4] The rod you describe ought to fit into a 1 5/8 tube. You certainly could usea bigger tube, but I would worry that the larger tube would allow the rodenough movement to damage it if dropped. General "rule" is 1 5/8 for twopiece two- tip rods, and 2" for three piece two-tip rods. At least that iswhat I have seen. Jeff from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Jan 8 20:29:39 2002 g092TcW28487 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:29:39 -0600 g092TbM07688 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:29:37 -0600 Subject: Dennis Aerbosold My message to you about OKC keeps bouncing. Howcan I get back to you off list.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from Troutgetter@aol.com Tue Jan 8 20:43:08 2002 g092h7W28964 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:43:07 -0600 Subject: Re: tube size ( 2 tip rod) ? I have an old Payne 8'0" 3/2 that fits in a 1 3/8 ID aluminum tube. I keep putting it in there but I don't know how he did it other than there is no excess material on the rod bag. Every piece has just enough room to fit into it's spot.Mike Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from BambooRods@aol.com Tue Jan 8 20:54:23 2002 g092sMW29405 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:54:22 -0600 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! You know reading all of these posts has brought up something that I think is very important. I begin thinking of the "great Rodmakers" thread in a different way and realized that certain of these individuals should be thought of in two ways. 1) The rods that they made and the contributions to theory etc. And 2) the people that their impact introduced us to. An example for me is Wayne. When I think of the wonderful people that I cannow call friends I realize that if it were not for Wayne I would not know them. It is almost as if there are multiple generations/layers that a person like WC impacts. Thank you Wayne.Doug Hall from channer@frontier.net Tue Jan 8 21:07:08 2002 g09377W00107 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:07:07 -0600 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers Dave;I must bow to experience, the few dozen old things I have seen pale incomparison to the numbers that have passed thru your hands. I must justhave the misfortune to get all the ones whose agate guides haven'tfaired so well. I still think they are a complete waste of time andmoney, but to each his own.John Dave Collyer wrote: Hi Mark... My experience with hundreds of vintage rods with agate/agatineguides is there very durable, it's a very rare case they need more then agood cleaning. Nothing dress a rod like top end hardware, so if aestheticsare important to you a agate stripper is very nice... The Mildrums are probably more durable in the long run and 25% the costofagate, on a hard fishing rod they probably are more practical since... On a side note you can get Mildrum Guides at Rick's Rods at 20% to 30% offeveryone else price out there and they have all the styles... info@ricksrods.com http://www.ricksrods.com/index.html * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------------* * * * * * * * * *-------- ----------------------------------* * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------- -----* * * * * * * * * *------------------------------------------* * * * * * * * * * --- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------" United We Stand " Take Care, Dave Denver Dave's Vintage Bamboo Rodswww.denverdave.net ----- Original Message -----From: "Mark & Kathy Pohl" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:12 PMSubject: Agate & Agatine strippers How durable are these strippers? from dnorl@qwest.net Tue Jan 8 21:20:04 2002 g093K3W00712 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:20:03 -0600 (63.228.46.192) Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down I've got it figured out. I always wear my light fall underwear.Dave-----Original Message----- rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down Wow, a controlled fall. This is a great concept, one I wouldlike to master. Unfortunately, some power seems to havedictated that if I fall, it is a feet out from under me, armwaving fall. Those who witnessed my plunge off the dock atGrayling last year can attest to this! Larry Blan On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:09:42 -0500"Ed Riddle" wrote: Not knowing how to fall can result in you breaking morethan your rod. Years of playing football in my youth and later a littleparachuting mandated I learn how to meet the ground. I'msure that some of you already know this as well, orbetter than I. But for those that don't: Don't try to break your fall with your hands if you'repitching forward unless you're on soft sand. To somethis may be instinctive but could cause broken fingers,hands, forearms and bloody knees, face, broken glasses,etc. Instead, roll into a fetal position as you're goingdown, landing on your side and cushioning your fall witha meaty part of your body, outside of your thigh, hip,upper arm, etc. If you're in the water, you're going toget wet either way. If you're falling backwards, justsit down, big cushion there. If you didn't grow up busting your a** as I did, practicefalling while you're out there lawn casting (that'll givethe onlookers another reason to call the whitecoats).Only by practicing will you be able to overide the "handsout front" instinct. If you fish streams with those rodsyou're building, you will fall.Regards.Ed from stoltz10@attbi.com Tue Jan 8 21:55:18 2002 g093tIW01796 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:55:18 -0600 Subject: ferrule glue help I've turned my stations and tried to glue my ferrules on using =plio-bond, but it did not work, what is a good glue to use and how do I =clean the plio-bond out of my ferrules? I've turned my stations and tried to = ferrules on using plio-bond, but it did not work, what is a good glue to = how do I clean the plio-bond out of my =ferrules? from rmoon@ida.net Tue Jan 8 22:10:38 2002 g094AcW02416 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:10:38 -0600 Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Come on guys. I have done this and I just bit the bullet and tossed thesucker away. It is just like my fly tying. I cannot ever stop finishinga fly even though I know it is a toss away. I've had a dozen god tyerstell me to unwind and start over or just to chuck the thing. Chris McDowell wrote: Try sanding whatever flat surfaces you have withoutover sanding the bamboo surfaces that might protrude,then do the best you can on the tucked spline. Tapesome guides on it and put it through the rigors. Ifthe displacement isn't too big and glue filled theinterior displacements adequately, I bet it will holdtogether. What are the diameters at this point? Yourfirst guide will be in this general area, and thatwill help with strength integrity and maybe cover upthe worst of it. Good luck. Chris --- "Aebersold, Dennis R" wrote: Thanks for all the advise thus far. Lesson learnedis to leave more spaceon the end and triple check after gluing but it isworse than I firstreported. The problem starts at the -guesswhat-node that is located 5" from the intended end of the rod. I gave myself 2"to work with so this isreally 7" down the rod and I don't have that much atthe butt. On spline istwisted up for about 3 inches with the adjacentspline tucked under and thengoes back into place. One suggestion was fill it inwith glue and try tosand it out so it looks half way decent. It will bea gift to my assistantand she might use it 3 times a year. Your thoughts,will it be so brittlethat it will break. I suppose I can throw a dozencasts and give her a onetip rod if the sucker doesn't make it or be a realprofessional and keep itmyself and start over [:-(] -d Dennis Aebersold PS what a great list. I have gotten so manyresponses in such a short time.None that I wanted to hear but everyone agreed thatit won't come ungluedwithout ruining it! __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ --?IôO from CALucker@aol.com Tue Jan 8 22:44:29 2002 g094iSW03331 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:44:28 -0600 Subject: Re: ferrule glue help In a message dated 1/8/2002 7:55:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, stoltz10@attbi.com writes: How did you apply the Pliobond? I have never had a Pliobond failure, My Grandfather never had a Pliobond failure. Did you apply to both surfaces, allow to get tacky to dry, heat the ferrule and slide on the ferrule? Next day the ferrule may move slightly, but return. Day two the ferrule ain't going anywhere.Chris Lucker from b2g@jps.net Tue Jan 8 22:48:06 2002 g094m5W03612 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:48:05 -0600 helo=default) id 16OAee-0005FW-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:48:00 -0800 Subject: RE: more detail on tip problem I would not let the tip go. Make a new one and be proud of your finishedwork. Those gift rods do get shown around and you want that good imagereflected on you. Keep for yourself and do what I did with one that didn'tgo my why when done. I just the tip section that I didn't like cut out thebad area and turned the tip section into a UL Spinning Rod then gave thenew rod away. The new spin rod looks great cast wonderful and I got bigsmiles from the new owner. Robert H. P.S. Hint, hint Tony Spezio ... Big Smiles ... off the list side joke. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Would "ou.edu" happen to be Oklahoma.If this is a gift, I would not let it go that way.A gift is shown around and someone will comment onit. It could reflect on the type of work you do.It bothers you now, I think it will bother youmore later if you let it go.I would either let the rod go with one tip or makeup another tip section.. Keep that bad tip foryourself. Make a butt section from leftovers to gowith it. This can be a rod that you don't worryabout. Just make it to fish.Not too much of an answer but that is what I woulddo.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com\. "Aebersold, Dennis R" wrote: Thanks for all the advise thus far. Lessonlearned is to leave more space on the end andtriple check after gluing but it is worse than Ifirst reported. The problem starts at the-guess what-node that is located 5" from theintended end of the rod. I gave myself 2" towork with so this is really 7" down the rod andI don't have that much at the butt. On spline istwisted up for about 3 inches with the adjacentspline tucked under and then goes back intoplace. One suggestion was fill it in with glueand try to sand it out so it looks half waydecent. It will be a gift to my assistant andshe might use it 3 times a year. Your thoughts,will it be so brittle that it will break. Isuppose I can throw a dozen casts and give her aone tip rod if the sucker doesn't make it or bea real professional and keep it myself and startover L -d Dennis Aebersold PS what a great list. I have gotten so manyresponses in such a short time. None that Iwanted to hear but everyone agreed that it won'tcome unglued without ruining it! from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 23:12:47 2002 g095CkW04378 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:12:46 -0600 08 Jan 2002 21:12:46 PST Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem you know, a little twist between the tiptop and firstguide won't hurt. timothy--- "Aebersold, Dennis R" wrote: Thanks for all the advise thus far. Lesson learnedis to leave more spaceon the end and triple check after gluing but it isworse than I firstreported. The problem starts at the -guesswhat-node that is located 5" from the intended end of the rod. I gave myself 2"to work with so this isreally 7" down the rod and I don't have that much atthe butt. On spline istwisted up for about 3 inches with the adjacentspline tucked under and thengoes back into place. One suggestion was fill it inwith glue and try tosand it out so it looks half way decent. It will bea gift to my assistantand she might use it 3 times a year. Your thoughts,will it be so brittlethat it will break. I suppose I can throw a dozencasts and give her a onetip rod if the sucker doesn't make it or be a realprofessional and keep itmyself and start over [:-(] -d Dennis Aebersold PS what a great list. I have gotten so manyresponses in such a short time.None that I wanted to hear but everyone agreed thatit won't come ungluedwithout ruining it! ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Jan 8 23:57:43 2002 g095vfW05314 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:57:41 -0600 "Rodmakers discussion group" Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down I may be mis quoting. It's been a while since I read it. All I can say is it's too bad about the whale not knowing this little trick, especially as he was only just getting to know himself [:-)] Tony At 05:00 PM 1/8/02 -0600, Rich Jezioro wrote: He also said that the way to fly is to throw yourself at the ground and miss.Rich At 10:42 AM 1/8/02, Tony Young wrote: According to Arthur Dent the trick is to forget all about falling and that works until you think about it...apparently. Tony At 10:07 AM 1/8/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: Obviously, Larry, you've not mastered the control of gravity, where yoususpend its effects momentarily as you are falling. Looks like someoneneedsa little practice. Go out into your front yard, on the grass, and beginfalling down. Each time you fall think to yourself that you are goingslowerand slower, as if you really are suspending the law of gravity. Do this1,000 times a day for 1,000 days straight, without let-up, then get backtous with your results. M-D From: Wow, a controlled fall. This is a great concept, one I wouldlike to master. Unfortunately, some power seems to havedictated that if I fall, it is a feet out from under me, armwaving fall. Those who witnessed my plunge off the dock atGrayling last year can attest to this! Larry Blan On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:09:42 -0500"Ed Riddle" wrote: Not knowing how to fall can result in you breaking morethan your rod. Years of playing football in my youth and later a littleparachuting mandated I learn how to meet the ground. I'msure that some of you already know this as well, orbetter than I. But for those that don't: Don't try to break your fall with your hands if you'repitching forward unless you're on soft sand. To somethis may be instinctive but could cause broken fingers,hands, forearms and bloody knees, face, broken glasses,etc. Instead, roll into a fetal position as you're goingdown, landing on your side and cushioning your fall witha meaty part of your body, outside of your thigh, hip,upper arm, etc. If you're in the water, you're going toget wet either way. If you're falling backwards, justsit down, big cushion there. If you didn't grow up busting your a** as I did, practicefalling while you're out there lawn casting (that'll givethe onlookers another reason to call the whitecoats).Only by practicing will you be able to overide the "handsout front" instinct. If you fish streams with those rodsyou're building, you will fall.Regards.Ed /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 00:27:35 2002 g096RXW06037 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:27:33 -0600 , Subject: Tops from an instrument maker There are three very good violin makers here in Aust. Actually there are more than three but there was a documentary made about these three. They all had different approaches to their craft. All were living off their craft. There was the lone craftsman making them without the aid of any power equipment. Makes a violin to the finish stage a month and a half. There was the guy making them with the aid of the most hi tech gear he could get using CNC gear etc and experimenting with different designs (which nobody would be seen dead with no matter how well they played)Makes a violin to finish stage every week and a half to a couple of weeks. There was the down to earth bloke who just wanted to make them as well as he could and get em out there. Makes a violin to finish stage every week.A real Three Little Pigs story. I wont bother with the details of the first two. They were happy but IMHO didn't make the best violins and I judge that by the clients who visited them and their response. The last little piggie attacks the wood with saws and grinders in the initial stages. He then just gets to it like a jack in apes (sounds good when ever I read it but I have no idea as to what it means) until it's done.He lives in Sydney where the Opera House is so he has visits from the best musicians all the time and during the filming of the doco an Itialian violinist who had previously ordered a violin from this guy brought his Strad with him to compare the sound of the two when he went to pick it up. It sounds like a setup but when the two were played the violin maker sort of snuffed and said it was a good thing he didn't really own the Strad (a couple of banks own the Strad for investment and this guy plays it).The violinist agreed. This new violin was costing the player $Aust 30,000.Anyhow regardless of what the violinist was after in the sound this maker obviously makes decent instruments and his attitude is if there are 150 different separate operations to making a violin, the absolute masters did a perfect job of 120 of them, he makes a perfect job of 100 of them and so it goes. The object of the game is to get them all right but that will only come if you start early enough and live long enough so you have enough violins made in between.This bloke while being interviewed told the reporter not to take any of the chips or sawdust lying on the floor because his wife weighs them every day and he gets feed accordingly. I joke but that's his attitude. I agree with James with the way to handle the mistake. You can't fix some mistakes so just break it now so you aren't tempted try to fix it and do it again. It's only hard the first time you do it then it becomes easy. I know I've burn a lot of sections and I'm still unhappy with what I'm doing. Tony At 04:24 PM 1/8/02 -0700, James Harris wrote: A true measure of skill in any craft is not weather one makes mistakes, but how gracefully one recovers from them.This includes throwing bad tip sections in the burn pile with a full twisting back flip. "Bob Maulucci" 01/08/02 03:40PM >>> I must be learning a lot.-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Dennis,It's just one section, and not even finished! It's just a piece ofbamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born child. This is called payingyour dues.If you don't f**k up once in a while, you aren't going to learn!Steve /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from ajthramer@hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 02:09:13 2002 g0989DW07437 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:09:13 -0600 Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:07:21 -0800 Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:07:21 GMT bob@downandacross.com,saweiss@flash.net, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker FILETIME=[AA228900:01C198E4] Best explanation of light production rodmaking I have ever heard. I think that many, to judge from the questions that are posed at times, spend WAY too much time thinking about what went wrong when it would be better spent moving down the learning curve. I don't dissect problems in rodbuilding, I attack them.To learn what a machine will do, push it until it fails. If splines or sections are spoiled along the way then so be it. I am a better maker now than I was six months ago and will be better still six months from now. What is a tip? 45 minutes to 2 hours tops. If I feared failure when I started then I doubt I would ever have 'got to it'. There were no tools available, precious little information, and absolutely no help from another rodbuilder. Other builders would'nt help and it was frowned upon to even ask. Not to say that the current situation is bad, I think that the old closed lip method held the art as a whole back. It has however led to a startling uniformity. Gurus who may not have even broke the hundred markare setting down immutable rules about how a rod should be made or how they should look and there is a fear that another method may be looked down onas not in keeping with the 'new tradition'. Our own version of political correctness. Makes me review what I have done myself to follow the rules. I could kick myself now that i think about it. I am going out to the shop tommorrow and build what the heck I want the way I want.!!! The rods will look the way they did 7 or 8 years ago before this whole thing spun out of control!! OK, I will settle down now... Suffice it to say that to learn how to make rods you need to make shavings and burn a little cane in the stove. And finally - I always save the bum section since it rarely is an entire sectiuon that is bad and the pieces work dandy for scarf repairs.A.J. From: Tony Young , Subject: Tops from an instrument makerDate: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:33:18 +0800 There are three very good violin makers here in Aust. Actually there aremore than three but there was a documentary made about these three.Theyall had different approaches to their craft. All were living off their craft. There was the lone craftsman making them without the aid of any powerequipment. Makes a violin to the finish stage a month and a half. There was the guy making them with the aid of the most hi tech gear hecould get using CNC gear etc and experimenting with different designs(which nobody would be seen dead with no matter how well they played)Makesa violin to finish stage every week and a half to a couple of weeks. There was the down to earth bloke who just wanted to make them as well ashe could and get em out there. Makes a violin to finish stage every week.A real Three Little Pigs story. I wont bother with the details of the first two. They were happy but IMHOdidn't make the best violins and I judge that by the clients who visitedthem and their response. The last little piggie attacks the wood with saws and grinders in theinitial stages. He then just gets to it like a jack in apes (sounds goodwhen ever I read it but I have no idea as to what it means) until it's done.He lives in Sydney where the Opera House is so he has visits from the bestmusicians all the time and during the filming of the doco an Itialianviolinist who had previously ordered a violin from this guy brought hisStrad with him to compare the sound of the two when he went to pick it up.It sounds like a setup but when the two were played the violin maker sortof snuffed and said it was a good thing he didn't really own the Strad (acouple of banks own the Strad for investment and this guy plays it).The violinist agreed. This new violin was costing the player $Aust 30,000.Anyhow regardless of what the violinist was after in the sound this makerobviously makes decent instruments and his attitude is if there are 150different separate operations to making a violin, the absolute masters dida perfect job of 120 of them, he makes a perfect job of 100 of them andsoit goes. The object of the game is to get them all right but that will onlycome if you start early enough and live long enough so you have enoughviolins made in between.This bloke while being interviewed told the reporter not to take any of thechips or sawdust lying on the floor because his wife weighs them every dayand he gets feed accordingly. I joke but that's his attitude. I agree with James with the way to handle the mistake. You can't fix somemistakes so just break it now so you aren't tempted try to fix it and do itagain. It's only hard the first time you do it then it becomes easy. I knowI've burn a lot of sections and I'm still unhappy with what I'm doing. Tony At 04:24 PM 1/8/02 -0700, James Harris wrote: A true measure of skill in any craft is not weather one makes mistakes,but how gracefully one recovers from them.This includes throwing bad tip sections in the burn pile with a fulltwisting back flip. "Bob Maulucci" 01/08/02 03:40PM >>> I must be learning a lot.-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Dennis,It's just one section, and not even finished! It's just a piece ofbamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born child. This is called payingyour dues.If you don't f**k up once in a while, you aren't going to learn!Steve /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com from ajthramer@hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 02:16:57 2002 g098GuW07823 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:16:57 -0600 Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:16:51 -0800 Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:16:50 GMT Subject: Re: ferrule glue help FILETIME=[FDB07FE0:01C198E5] I have not been able to get a pliobond ferrule to let go either, even if you didn't get the procedure correct the ferrule will tack up in a few days. I have found that when you flame the ferrule and rod station for an insufficient time the ferrule may move a bit when fitting 5 minutes later but by the time the varnish is on the rod and out the door it isn't going anywhere. Done properly the ferrule is well set immediately. Chris is the one who initialy told me about this method several(more?) years ago. I set a half dozen ferrules with it at the time and forgot about it. When dave mentioned it again a couple of months ago it got me to thinking, those ferrules were not pinned and they were still tight, might be time to try that method out again in a test. The last 20 rods have been ferruled with it and it works. Back to my old dictum - If Granger did it then it has to be right. [:)] A.J. From: CALucker@aol.com Subject: Re: ferrule glue helpDate: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:44:19 EST In a message dated 1/8/2002 7:55:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,stoltz10@attbi.com writes: but it did not work, what is a good glue to use and how do I clean theplio-bond out of my ferrules? How did you apply the Pliobond? I have never had a Pliobond failure, MyGrandfather never had a Pliobond failure. Did you apply to both surfaces,allow to get tacky to dry, heat the ferrule and slide on the ferrule? Nextday the ferrule may move slightly, but return. Day two the ferrule ain'tgoing anywhere.Chris Lucker _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from bh887@lafn.org Wed Jan 9 03:14:58 2002 g099EvW08589 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:14:57 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: Re: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E Well, when I'm told there are no fish in this park, I usually answer "Thatsokay because I don't have a license." Amazing the wide birth I am givenafter that! Lee F.----- Original Message ----- Subject: Lawn Casting Comments, was RE: Garrison 209E This raises the very important question of what to say to people who giveyou funny looks or even make comments when you are standing in youryard or (if your yard is full of trees) in a park lawn casting. I usually sigh andsay "This place is all fished out," but occasionally I say "The fishing was great, though of course I practice catch-and-release." These comments are fine for adults, but have their best effect on children. The really young ones may actually believe some of it, which will give them a lot to think about. The others get to experience that archetype ofchildhood - the really weird neighborhood guy to be avoided at all cost. Ihave not yet taken a hidden stringer of store-bought fish out into the park with me, to display as I walk back to the car for the sake of theseonlookers. It's just a matter of time. Perhaps others on the list have additional suggestions on this significantaspect of rodmaking. Barry -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Garrison 209E Has anyone built this taper and used a guide spacing different from thesuggestedone in the book? I tried a few things on a blank today, and I felt that the 10 guides and the spacing from the book seemed to really kill theaction. Anyone have any success in changing the guide spacing? It feltbetter with the 9 guides and spacing I tried (derived from Frank's guideprogram, thanks), but I am not sure that it is as good as it gets. Forgiveme, but it is too cold here to stand outside and try 10 different spacings. I just wonder what your general impressions of this taper and suggestedspacing were. It feels almost like it wants a 6 WF to me.On the lighter side, I found today that standing in the driveway with three feet of snow on each lawn around you simulates standing it water very well. Keep that back cast up.Thanks a million.Bob from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 04:13:30 2002 g09ADSW09336 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:13:28 -0600 Harris.James@ev.state.az.us,bob@downandacross.com, saweiss@flash.net,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker The point about the mono culture of the current crop of rods is as much a factor of dealers as gurus IMHO though the scene here is minusculecompared with the US.I know what it's like here and there aren't that many people interested in bamboo rods anyhow but I must have been told rods should be finished in 10 different ways by as many people all basing ideas on what somebody has told them, usually a dealer of varying vintage.It's got so although I like making rods to sell I've sort of lost interest because there is a reluctance in large part to look beyond certain "expected" things in a rod usually as per somebody I've never heard of.I asked one bloke if he'd tried the rod yet after he complained I didn't have a hook keeper and didn't use an agate stripper (quite timely) as "all bamboo rods should have".I told him not all rods come that way and unless it's mentioned why expect it and how does it cast, that's what matters after all? He told me that was "beside the point, you expect certain things when you pay that much for a rod".Do you? and if so why? Who says?I'm not going to get an ulcer over all this so I just tore up his cheque and told him to return it. In the end he kept it and sent me another cheque and an order for another rod, made just like the first one.Then there was the guy who sent a rod back without warning telling me I'd forgotten the intermediates. What intermediates????The very worse I got and I'm sure it was meant as an insult was that I wasn't making rods like Partride do.It doesn't bother me that much as they all go in the end and I've had a really bad case of tennis elbow for over 8 months now so it's bit moot anyhow because I haven't been able to use a plane for that whole time but it's sure stifling the craft. from my point of view everything I sell is over the internet or mail or phone so I do my very best to explain what I'm doing and what to expect because nothing is seen until it's arrival so I guess I do need to toe the line but I think for people who have a shop where people can see what you're doing a bit of experimenting would be a good thing and it may break the craft out of the hidebound scene it's now in and being in the control of non makers or gurus. Tony At 08:07 AM 1/9/02 +0000, Allen Thramer wrote: Best explanation of light production rodmaking I have ever heard. I think that many, to judge from the questions that are posed at times, spend WAY too much time thinking about what went wrong when it would be betterspent moving down the learning curve. I don't dissect problems in rodbuilding, I attack them.To learn what a machine will do, push it until it fails. If splines or sections are spoiled along the way then so be it. I am a better maker now than I was six months ago and will be better still six months from now. What is a tip? 45 minutes to 2 hours tops. If I feared failure when I started then I doubt I would ever have 'got to it'. There were no tools available, precious little information, and absolutely no help from another rodbuilder. Other builders would'nt help and it was frowned upon to even ask. Not to say that the current situation is bad, I think that the old closed lip method held the art as a whole back. It has however led to a startling uniformity. Gurus who may not have even broke the hundred mark are setting down immutable rules about how a rod should be made or how they should look and there is a fear that another method may be looked down on as not in keeping with the 'new tradition'. Our own version of political correctness. Makes me review what I have done myself to follow the rules. I could kick myself now that i think about it. I am going out to the shop tommorrow and build what the heck I want the way I want.!!! The rods will look the way they did 7 or 8 years ago before this whole thing spun out of control!! OK, I will settle down now... Suffice it to say that to learn how to make rods you need to make shavings and burn a little cane in the stove. And finally - I always save the bum section since it rarely is an entire sectiuon that is bad and the pieces work dandy for scarf repairs.A.J. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from KlingB@health.missouri.edu Wed Jan 9 04:31:39 2002 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) g09AVdW09775 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:31:39 -0600 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:00:41 -0600 Subject: RE: Split Bamboo and the cold I guess that's what you get for listening to rodmakers....Barry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Hi Barry, There a whole slew of us here in Conn. that stop bamboo at 45 degrees.Can't remember where we got the info from but we have been using it asbible rod makers that told us to do it? Rich-----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Split Bamboo and the cold I'd worry about plastic rods, not bamboo ones, in real cold. I've fished at-15F and colder with bamboo several times and never had any problemsbeyondice on the snake guides. Barry -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:22 PM Cc: Rod MakersSubject: Re: Split Bamboo and the cold Peter,It looks like I finally found a customer for my patented ElectricRod Sock.Seriously, I have fished many times with ice in the guides with noadverse effects (on the rod). That would be in 20 degree F weather.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Peter Van Schaack wrote: List, I like to fish in the winter, there are a couple catch and release areasthat allow for that on the river I fish. My question is - Is this bad 32 degrees, a light snow falling, makes for some interesting fishing, anoccasional Blue Winged Olive hatch or Winter Caddis. TIA, Pete . -- from horsesho@ptd.net Wed Jan 9 05:10:16 2002 g09BAFW10275 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 05:10:15 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4179. . Clean. Processed in 0.66898 secs); 09 Jan 200211:10:14 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: tube size ( 2 tip rod) ? 1 1/2" or 1 5/8" . Marty Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: What size tube (1 5/8 or 2") is generally used for storing 7' 4wt (2 tip)bamboo flyrod? Mark from JNL123141@msn.com Wed Jan 9 06:35:35 2002 g09CZYW11391 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 06:35:34 -0600 Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:35:29 -0800 Subject: Greatest FILETIME=[1F0BE340:01C1990A] Unless I missed seeing his name mentioned, how could we forget Frances "D=igger" Degere? John Unless Imisse=d seeing his name mentioned, how could we forget Frances "Digger" Degere?= from Lazybee45@aol.com Wed Jan 9 07:10:02 2002 g09DA2W11956 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:10:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu In a message dated 1/8/02 11:58:34 PM Central Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: Well, him and the pot of petunias, who only said "Oh, not AGAIN!" mark visit Marks Magic Workshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 9 07:13:49 2002 g09DDmW12194 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:13:48 -0600 Subject: RE: Greatest Hi John.My Digger rod is my most prized possession. I hope to get a few more when $allows. Good call, John. The Digger video is another prized possession, whata great gentleman he must have been.Best regards,Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: Greatest Unless I missed seeing his name mentioned, how could we forget Frances"Digger" Degere? John John.MyDigger rod = prized possession. I hope to get a few more when $ allows. Good call, = Digger video is another prized possession, what a great gentleman he = been. Best regards,Bob LongSent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:34 RodmakersPostSubject: GreatestUnless I missed seeing his name mentioned, how could we forget = "Digger" Degere? from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Wed Jan 9 08:01:12 2002 g09E1BW13305 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:01:11 -0600 , ,, Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker I have a couple of tips that never made it to "rod status". About 10' ofcraft yarn (that fat stuff use to tie off pig tails) tied to the tip andcast away in the house. Feels pretty close to the real thing. Bonus: Yourcat will love it!!! tom----- Original Message ----- ; ; Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Best explanation of light production rodmaking I have ever heard. I thinkthat many, to judge from the questions that are posed at times, spendWAYtoo much time thinking about what went wrong when it would be betterspentmoving down the learning curve. I don't dissect problems in rodbuilding, Iattack them.To learn what a machine will do, push it until it fails. Ifsplines or sections are spoiled along the way then so be it. I am a bettermaker now than I was six months ago and will be better still six months from now. What is a tip? 45 minutes to 2 hours tops. If I feared failure when Istarted then I doubt I would ever have 'got to it'. There were no toolsavailable, precious little information, and absolutely no help from another rodbuilder. Other builders would'nt help and it was frowned upon to evenask. Not to say that the current situation is bad, I think that the oldclosed lip method held the art as a whole back. It has however led to astartling uniformity. Gurus who may not have even broke the hundred mark are setting down immutable rules about how a rod should be made or how theyshould look and there is a fear that another method may be looked down on as not in keeping with the 'new tradition'. Our own version of politicalcorrectness. Makes me review what I have done myself to follow the rules. I could kick myself now that i think about it. I am going out to the shoptommorrow and build what the heck I want the way I want.!!! The rods willlook the way they did 7 or 8 years ago before this whole thing spun out ofcontrol!! OK, I will settle down now... Suffice it to say that to learn how to make rods you need to makeshavingsand burn a little cane in the stove. And finally - I always save the bum section since it rarely is an entiresectiuon that is bad and the pieces work dandy for scarf repairs.A.J. From: Tony Young , Subject: Tops from an instrument makerDate: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:33:18 +0800 There are three very good violin makers here in Aust. Actually there aremore than three but there was a documentary made about these three.Theyall had different approaches to their craft. All were living off theircraft. There was the lone craftsman making them without the aid of any powerequipment. Makes a violin to the finish stage a month and a half. There was the guy making them with the aid of the most hi tech gear hecould get using CNC gear etc and experimenting with different designs(which nobody would be seen dead with no matter how well they played) Makes a violin to finish stage every week and a half to a couple of weeks. There was the down to earth bloke who just wanted to make them as wellashe could and get em out there. Makes a violin to finish stage every week.A real Three Little Pigs story. I wont bother with the details of the first two. They were happy but IMHOdidn't make the best violins and I judge that by the clients who visitedthem and their response. The last little piggie attacks the wood with saws and grinders in theinitial stages. He then just gets to it like a jack in apes (sounds goodwhen ever I read it but I have no idea as to what it means) until it'sdone.He lives in Sydney where the Opera House is so he has visits from the best musicians all the time and during the filming of the doco an Itialianviolinist who had previously ordered a violin from this guy brought hisStrad with him to compare the sound of the two when he went to pick it up. It sounds like a setup but when the two were played the violin maker sort of snuffed and said it was a good thing he didn't really own the Strad (acouple of banks own the Strad for investment and this guy plays it).The violinist agreed. This new violin was costing the player $Aust 30,000. Anyhow regardless of what the violinist was after in the sound this makerobviously makes decent instruments and his attitude is if there are 150different separate operations to making a violin, the absolute masters did a perfect job of 120 of them, he makes a perfect job of 100 of them and so it goes. The object of the game is to get them all right but that will only come if you start early enough and live long enough so you have enoughviolins made in between.This bloke while being interviewed told the reporter not to take any of the chips or sawdust lying on the floor because his wife weighs them every day and he gets feed accordingly. I joke but that's his attitude. I agree with James with the way to handle the mistake. You can't fix somemistakes so just break it now so you aren't tempted try to fix it and do it again. It's only hard the first time you do it then it becomes easy. I know I've burn a lot of sections and I'm still unhappy with what I'm doing. Tony At 04:24 PM 1/8/02 -0700, James Harris wrote: A true measure of skill in any craft is not weather one makes mistakes,but how gracefully one recovers from them.This includes throwing bad tip sections in the burn pile with a fulltwisting back flip. "Bob Maulucci" 01/08/02 03:40PM I must be learning a lot.-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu WeissSent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Dennis,It's just one section, and not even finished! It's just a piece ofbamboo, not neuro surgery on your first-born child. This is called paying your dues.If you don't f**k up once in a while, you aren't going to learn!Steve /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.http://www.hotmail.com from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 9 08:15:24 2002 g09EFNW13897 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:15:23 -0600 (authenticated) Wed, 9 Jan 2002 06:17:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Allen and others, Your post has me thinking. As you say, there are some unwritten "rules"about what bamboo rods should look like and how they should be made. I'mwondering which of those "rules" we would be better off forgetting. NickelSilver reel seats is one of my favorites. They are nice looking, no doubt. Butthey're heavy, and they perform no better than aluminum, and not as well astheFuji seats. Agate stripping guides fit in the same category. Tiny silks (orusing silk at all instead of nylon) is another sacred cow. Perfect, flawlessvarnish in which one can see his reflection is still another.Don't get me wrong, I try to do all these things -- well, agates are atleast an option on my rods. Since they all relate to aesthetics more thanperformance, I wonder what "rules" there are about actually making rodsthat aremore myth and mystique than really good ideas or enhancements toperformance?Never using epoxy to glue strips with might be one. Got any others? Harry Allen Thramer wrote: It has however led to astartling uniformity. Gurus who may not have even broke the hundred markaresetting down immutable rules about how a rod should be made or how theyshould look -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 08:26:14 2002 g09EQDW14898 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:26:13 -0600 Wed, 09 Jan 2002 06:26:07 PST Subject: Re: Not rodmaking - Falling down Sounds good, learned when I was a kid that the secretto falling was not to fight it but rather to directit. Usually, when you pass a certain point you're notgoing to recover your feet without meeting someimmobile point anyway. The redirect is definitely anart form. Bill W. --- Bob Nunley wrote: Maybe I should start having "Falling" classes nextyear. I do it quite often, and rarely do more thanget bruised up... no bad cuts, no broken bones...Falling Down is a true art, and those of us who havemastered it should share it with others! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- From: Ed Riddle Subject: Not rodmaking - Falling down Not knowing how to fall can result in you breakingmore than your rod. Years of playing football in my youth and later alittle parachuting mandated I learn how to meet theground. I'm sure that some of you already know thisas well, or better than I. But for those thatdon't: Don't try to break your fall with your hands ifyou're pitching forward unless you're on soft sand. To some this may be instinctive but could causebroken fingers, hands, forearms and bloody knees,face, broken glasses, etc. Instead, roll into afetal position as you're going down, landing on yourside and cushioning your fall with a meaty part ofyour body, outside of your thigh, hip, upper arm,etc. If you're in the water, you're going to getwet either way. If you're falling backwards, justsit down, big cushion there. If you didn't grow up busting your a** as I did,practice falling while you're out there lawn casting(that'll give the onlookers another reason to callthe whitecoats). Only by practicing will you beable to overide the "hands out front" instinct. Ifyou fish streams with those rods you're building,you will fall.Regards.Ed __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 08:50:43 2002 g09EofW16095 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:50:41 -0600 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker These are the things I was getting at when I sent my post about what has come to be expected. IMHO the dealers and collectors who don't fish the rods are all about increasing values of rods by consistently undervaluing rods that aren't in the stream side jewelry dept and that sets the end user's mind in that direction.That's fine if the user wants to pay top dollar but it seems to me the user is demanding top quality at reducing prices meaning makers are spending stupid amounts of time meeting unrealistic demands for the quality demanded but not paid for.A dealer here once told me when he thought his supply of Partridge rods was about to dry up if all I did was spend a little more time and make my rods look just like a T&T people would really sit up and take notice. My response was if I could buy a T&T rod for $650 I'd sit up and take notice too. If you want a T&T you have to buy one.If all things are equal meaning the taper, quality of actual rod making etc a $700 rod really shouldn't look as nice as a $1200 rod but I'll bet that's what rod makers are feeling they need to produce for a $700 sale if they want to sell at all and that's largely because the punters think there's something wrong with the rod otherwise.How many people on list fish with rods they'd never even consider selling? They're the only ones I own!!! I obviously have a bee in my bonnet about dealers and middle men but it annoys me they seem to have so much control and make most of the money.I admit it's always the way in the end but I don't have to like it. I have no problem with people just wheeling and dealing for the fun of it but horse traders who prey on it are another story. Tony At 08:15 AM 1/9/02 -0600, Harry Boyd wrote: Allen and others, Your post has me thinking. As you say, there are some unwritten "rules"about what bamboo rods should look like and how they should be made. I'mwondering which of those "rules" we would be better off forgetting. NickelSilver reel seats is one of my favorites. They are nice looking, no doubt. Butthey're heavy, and they perform no better than aluminum, and not as well as theFuji seats. Agate stripping guides fit in the same category. Tiny silks (orusing silk at all instead of nylon) is another sacred cow. Perfect, flawlessvarnish in which one can see his reflection is still another.Don't get me wrong, I try to do all these things -- well, agates are atleast an option on my rods. Since they all relate to aesthetics more thanperformance, I wonder what "rules" there are about actually making rods that aremore myth and mystique than really good ideas or enhancements toperformance?Never using epoxy to glue strips with might be one. Got any others? Harry Allen Thramer wrote: It has however led to astartling uniformity. Gurus who may not have even broke the hundred mark are setting down immutable rules about how a rod should be made or howtheyshould look -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from mbiondo@wuacn.wustl.edu Wed Jan 9 09:17:52 2002 g09FHpW17858 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:17:51 -0600 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:17:50 -0600 Organization: Washington University in St. Louis Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Doug seez...Well said Doug! My feelings exactly. Adding to that...Wayne being directly involved in the creation of 'The Planing Form" and being directly involved in the creation of this very email list. And of course Wayne's book and HEXROD program bringing rodmaking into the present, and the launching pad for somany of great books and programs that followed... Thanks You Wayne! Mike BiondoSt. Louis, MO Doug Hall seez...You know reading all of these posts has brought up something that I thinkisvery important. I begin thinking of the "great Rodmakers" thread in adifferentway and realized that certain of these individuals should be thought of intwoways. 1) The rods that they made and the contributions to theory etc. And 2)the people that their impact introduced us to. An example for me isWayne. When I think of the wonderful people that I can now call friends I realizethatif it were not for Wayne I would not know them. It is almost as if there aremultiple generations/layers that a person like WC impacts. Thank youWayne. from ttalsma@macatawa.org Wed Jan 9 09:24:24 2002 g09FONW19088 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:24:23 -0600 id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:17:28 -0500 id Y2QPVJ7K; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:17:24 -0500 Subject: Hazards All, After updating the tips archive, I got a message from Tim Wilhelm asfollows:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have an idea for your tips. How about a hazardous material section. The discussion on MEK earlier this week got me to thinking about that. Maybe something that lists the materials we are most likely to come incontact with, their risks and where to go for additional information. Idon't know that I would go into too much detail on this in terms oftreatment or anything. Just an idea. Tim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sounds to me like this would be a very good thing to have out there. What do y'all think?-- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Wed Jan 9 09:39:34 2002 Received: g09FdXW20844 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 0700 Received: from ADEQ-Message_Server by ev.state.az.us withNovell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:39:27 -0700 Message-Id:X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:39:23 -0700 From: "James Harris" OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2002 15:38:56.0620 (UTC) Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by wugate.wustl.edu id rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Sounds good. Perhaps a linkto one of the material safety data sheet (MSDS) websites for plenty ofadditional information. Todd Talsma 01/09/02 08:20AM >>> All, After updating the tips archive, I got a message from Tim Wilhelm asfollows:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have an idea for your tips. How about a hazardous material section. The discussion on MEK earlier this week got me to thinking about that. Maybe something that lists the materials we are most likely to come incontact with, their risks and where to go for additional information. Idon't know that I would go into too much detail on this in terms oftreatment or anything. Just an idea. Tim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sounds to me like this would be a very good thing to have out there. What do y'all think?-- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from darrell@vFish.net Wed Jan 9 09:49:35 2002 Received: from g09FnYW21577 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 , ,Subject: RE: Cork Date: Wed, 9 Jan 200207:49:18 -0800 Message-ID: MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This of the 1/2" 5* rings leftover from the past group orders. No 1/4" rings left.CD trading only sells in bags of 1,000 rings. I have some rings with a 7/16" IDthat are excellent quality and CHEAP! Please contact me offlist if interested.Regards, Darrell Lee Anglers Collectibles Exchange http://www.vfish.net Info& Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 ================== Angling, collecting & rodmaking books at: http://www.vfish.net/files/acebooks7.PDF================== -----Original Message----- From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Bob Maulucci Sent: Saturday, rodmakers@mail.wustL.edu Subject: RE: Cork The REC cork order that M- Dout together was excellent. I would try them again when I run out. I also thinkthat Darrell Lee has had some fine cork in the past, maybe he is worth ashot. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Davesrods Sent: Saturday, Anybody know the url for C&D Trading?? Also anybody have any other placesto buy cork?? Thanks Dave ------ (323)465- MaulucciSent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 3:56 = order that M-D out together was excellent. I would try them again = when Dave ----- Wed Jan 9 10:00:10 2002 Received: from eddings.acpub.duke.edu Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:59:06 -0500 of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery, X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] Subject: some off task fun... Content-Type: earsdws@duke.edu Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CRENSubject: Fw: Top Eight Morons of 2001 1. WILL THE REAL DUMMY PLEASE STAND UP? AT&T FIRED President John Walter after nine months, saying he lackedintellectual leadership. He received a $26 million severance package. Perhaps it's not Walter who's lacking intelligence. 2. WITH A LITTLE HELP from OUR FRIENDS: Police in Oakland, California spent two hours attempting to subdue a gunman who had barricaded himself inside his home. After firing ten tear gas canisters, officers discovered that the man was standing beside them in the police line, shouting "Please come out and give yourself up." 3. WHAT WAS PLAN B??? An Illinois man, pretending to have a gun, kidnapped a motorist and forcedhim to drive to two different automated teller machines, wherein the kidnapper proceeded to withdraw money from his own bank accounts. 4. THE GETAWAY! A man walked into a Topeka, Kansas Kwik Stop, and asked for all the money in the cash drawer. Apparently, the take was too small, so he tied up the store clerk and worked the counter himself for three hours until police showed upand grabbed him. 5. DID I SAY THAT??? Police in Los Angeles had good luck with a robbery suspect who just couldn't control himself during a lineup. When detectives asked each man in the lineupto repeat the words, "Give me all your money or I'll shoot," the man shouted, "That's not what I said!" 6. ARE WE COMMUNICATING?? A man spoke frantically into the phone, "My wife is pregnant and hercontractions are only two minutes apart!" "Is this her first child?" thedoctor asked. "No!", the man shouted, "This is her husband!". 7. NOT THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED!! In Modesto, California, Steven Richard King was arrested for trying to holdup a Bank of America branch without a weapon. King used a thumb and a finger to simulate a gun, but unfortunately, he failed to keep his hand in his pocket. (hellllllooooooo!) 8. THE GRAND FINALE Last summer, down on Lake Isabella, located in the high desert, an houreast of Bakersfield, California, some folks, new to boating, were having a problem. No matter how hard they tried, they couldn't get their brand new 22 ft. boat going. It was very sluggish in almost every maneuver, no matter how much power was applied. After about an hour of trying to make it go, they putted to a nearby marina, thinking someone there could tell them what was wrong. Athorough topside check revealed everything in perfect working condition. The engine ran fine, the out drive went up and down, the prop was the correct size and pitch. So, one of the marina guys jumped in the water to check underneath. He came up choking on water, he was laughing so hard. NOW REMEMBER ... THIS IS TRUE ... Under the boat, still strapped securely in place, was the trailer. Does any one else find it frightening that the majority of these took place in California????? from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Wed Jan 9 10:03:33 2002 g09G3WW22704 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:03:32 -0600 sender ) Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Allen and others, Your post has me thinking. As you say, there are some unwritten "rules" about what bamboo rods should look like and how they should be made. I'mwondering which of those "rules" we would be better off forgetting. Nickel Silver reel seats is one of my favorites. They are nice looking, no doubt. But they're heavy, and they perform no better than aluminum, and not as well as the Fuji seats. Agate stripping guides fit in the same category. Tiny silks (or using silk at all instead of nylon) is another sacred cow. Perfect, flawless varnish in which one can see his reflection is still another.Don't get me wrong, I try to do all these things -- well, agates are at least an option on my rods. Since they all relate to aesthetics more thanperformance, I wonder what "rules" there are about actually making rods that are more myth and mystique than really good ideas or enhancements to performance? Never using epoxy to glue strips with might be one. Got any others? Harry Allen Thramer wrote: It has however led to astartling uniformity. Gurus who may not have even broke the hundredmark are setting down immutable rules about how a rod should be made or howtheyshould look -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Wed Jan 9 10:25:22 2002 g09GPLW24030 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:25:21 -0600 KAA20510 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:25:20 -0600 IAA11691 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:25:20 -0800 g09GPUW25723 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:25:30 -0800 (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:25:16 -0800 Subject: engineer laugh not responsible for these but thought that we could use a laugh Two engineering students were walking across campus when onesaid,"Where did you get such a great bike?" The secondengineer replied,"Well, I was walking along yesterday minding my ownbusiness when a beautifulwoman rode up on this bike. She threw the bike to theground, took off allher clothes and said, "Take what you want." "The second engineernoddedapprovingly, 'Good choice; the clothes probably wouldn't havefit." Comprehending Engineers - Take Two**********************************To the optimist, the glass is half full. To thepessimist, the glassis half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as itneeds tobe. Comprehending Engineers-Take Three**********************************A pastor, a doctor and an engineer were waiting onemorning for aparticularly slow group of golfers. The engineerfumed, "What's withthese guys? We must have been waiting for 15minutes!" The doctorchimed in, "I don't know, but I've never seen such ineptitude!"The pastorsaid, "Hey, here comes the greens keeper. Let's have a word withhim." "HiGeorge. say, what's with that group ahead of us? They're ratherslow, aren'tthey?" The greens keeper replied, "Oh, yes, that's a group ofblindfirefighters. They lost their sight saving our clubhouse from afire last year, sowe always let them play for free anytime." The group was silent moment. The pastor said, "That's so sad. I think I will say aspecial prayer contactmy ophthalmologist buddy and see if there's anything he can do forthem." The engineer said, "Why can't these guys play at night?" Comprehending Engineers-Take Four*********************************What is the difference between Mechanical Engineersand CivilEngineers? > > > >Mechanical Engineers build weapons, CivilEngineers build targets. Comprehending Engineers-Take Five********************************The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does itwork?" Thegraduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How doesit work?" Thegraduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will itcost?" The graduatewith an Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?" Comprehending Engineers-Take Six**********************************Three engineering students were gathered togetherdiscussing thepossible designers of the human body. One said, "Itwas a mechanicalengineer. Just look at all the joints." Another said,"No, it was an electricalengineer. The nervous system has many thousands ofelectrical connections." Thelast one said, "Actually it was a civil engineer. Whoelse would runa toxic waste pipeline through a recreational area?" Comprehending Engineers-Take Seven**********************************"Normal people ... believe that if it ain't broke,don't fix it.Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn'thave enoughfeatures yet." Comprehending Engineers-Take Eight********************************An architect, an artist and an engineer werediscussing whether itwas better to spend time with the wife or a mistress. Thearchitect saidhe enjoyed time with his wife, building a solid foundation for anenduring relationship. The artist said he enjoyed time with hismistress,because the passion and mystery he found there. The engineer said,"I likeboth." Both?" Engineer: "Yeah. If you have a wifeand a mistress, they willeach assume you are spending time with the otherwoman, and you cango to the lab and get some work done." Comprehending Engineers - Take Nine*********************************An engineer was crossing a road one day when a frogcalled out to himand said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautifulprincess." Hebent over, picked up the frog and put it in his pocket. The frogspoke upagain and said, "If you kiss me and turn me back into abeautiful princess,I will stay with you for one week." The engineer took the frog outofhis pocket, smiled at it and returned it to the pocket. The frogthencried out, "If you kiss me and turn me back into a princess, I'llstay withyou and do ANYTHING you want." Again the engineer took the frogout,smiled at it and put it back into his pocket. Finally, the frogasked, "What isthe matter?I've told you I'm a beautiful princess, that I'llstay with you for aweek and do anything you want. Why won't you kissme?" The engineersaid, "Look I'm an engineer. I don't have time for a girl friend,but atalking frog......that's cool." from blitzenrods@yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 10:37:14 2002 g09GbCW24746 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:37:13 -0600 Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:37:12 PST Subject: Re: tube size ( 2 tip rod) ? Mark, If the outside diameter of your cork grip is 1" orless then the 1 5/8" tube should be fine. It's thediameter of the grip and the thickness and economy ofthe bag that really determines the size of the tubeneeded. I use 1 5/8" on all rods. Chris --- Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: What size tube (1 5/8 or 2") is generally used forstoring 7' 4wt (2 tip)bamboo flyrod? Mark __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 10:40:23 2002 g09GeLW25120 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:40:21 -0600 Subject: Re: Hazards How about we put a web cam in Nunley's workshop?Sorry Bob. [:-)] Tony At 08:39 AM 1/9/02 -0700, James Harris wrote: Sounds good. Perhaps a link to one of the material safety data sheet (MSDS) websites for plenty of additional information. Todd Talsma 01/09/02 08:20AM >>> All, After updating the tips archive, I got a message from Tim Wilhelm asfollows:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have an idea for your tips. How about a hazardous material section.The discussion on MEK earlier this week got me to thinking about that.Maybe something that lists the materials we are most likely to come incontact with, their risks and where to go for additional information. Idon't know that I would go into too much detail on this in terms oftreatment or anything. Just an idea. Tim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sounds to me like this would be a very good thing to have out there.What do y'all think?--Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Wed Jan 9 10:43:57 2002 g09GhuW25474 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:43:56 -0600 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:42:09 -0600 pri.pacificare.com (Tumbleweed ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:43:49 -0800 Subject: RE: some off task fun... Yeah, but 90% of the population of California comes from somewhere else... Does any one else find it frightening that the majority of these took place in California????? -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: some off task fun... Subject: Fw: Top Eight Morons of 2001 1. WILL THE REAL DUMMY PLEASE STAND UP? AT&T FIRED President John Walter after nine months, saying he lackedintellectual leadership. He received a $26 million severance package. Perhaps it's not Walter who's lacking intelligence. 2. WITH A LITTLE HELP from OUR FRIENDS: Police in Oakland, California spent two hours attempting to subdue a gunman who had barricaded himself inside his home. After firing ten tear gas canisters, officers discovered that the man was standing beside them in the police line, shouting "Please come out and give yourself up." 3. WHAT WAS PLAN B??? An Illinois man, pretending to have a gun, kidnapped a motorist and forcedhim to drive to two different automated teller machines, wherein the kidnapper proceeded to withdraw money from his own bank accounts. 4. THE GETAWAY! A man walked into a Topeka, Kansas Kwik Stop, and asked for all the money in the cash drawer. Apparently, the take was too small, so he tied up the store clerk and worked the counter himself for three hours until police showed upand grabbed him. 5. DID I SAY THAT??? Police in Los Angeles had good luck with a robbery suspect who just couldn't control himself during a lineup. When detectives asked each man in the lineupto repeat the words, "Give me all your money or I'll shoot," the man shouted, "That's not what I said!" 6. ARE WE COMMUNICATING?? A man spoke frantically into the phone, "My wife is pregnant and hercontractions are only two minutes apart!" "Is this her first child?" thedoctor asked. "No!", the man shouted, "This is her husband!". 7. NOT THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED!! In Modesto, California, Steven Richard King was arrested for trying to holdup a Bank of America branch without a weapon. King used a thumb and a finger to simulate a gun, but unfortunately, he failed to keep his hand in his pocket. (hellllllooooooo!) 8. THE GRAND FINALE Last summer, down on Lake Isabella, located in the high desert, an houreast of Bakersfield, California, some folks, new to boating, were having a problem. No matter how hard they tried, they couldn't get their brand new 22 ft. boat going. It was very sluggish in almost every maneuver, no matter how much power was applied. After about an hour of trying to make it go, they putted to a nearby marina, thinking someone there could tell them what was wrong. Athorough topside check revealed everything in perfect working condition. The engine ran fine, the out drive went up and down, the prop was the correct size and pitch. So, one of the marina guys jumped in the water to check underneath. He came up choking on water, he was laughing so hard. NOW REMEMBER ... THIS IS TRUE ... Under the boat, still strapped securely in place, was the trailer. Does any one else find it frightening that the majority of these took place in California????? This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from caneman@clnk.com Wed Jan 9 10:55:33 2002 g09GtWW26232 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:55:32 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) , Subject: Re: Hazards Hell, I'd just break the damn thing! *S* R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Hazards How about we put a web cam in Nunley's workshop?Sorry Bob. [:-)] Tony At 08:39 AM 1/9/02 -0700, James Harris wrote: Sounds good. Perhaps a link to one of the material safety data sheet(MSDS) websites for plenty of additional information. Todd Talsma 01/09/02 08:20AM >>> All, After updating the tips archive, I got a message from Tim Wilhelm asfollows:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have an idea for your tips. How about a hazardous material section.The discussion on MEK earlier this week got me to thinking about that.Maybe something that lists the materials we are most likely to come incontact with, their risks and where to go for additional information. Idon't know that I would go into too much detail on this in terms oftreatment or anything. Just an idea. Tim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sounds to me like this would be a very good thing to have out there.What do y'all think?--Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Wed Jan 9 10:57:19 2002 g09GvIW26473 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:57:18 -0600 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:43:37 -0600 Subject: RE: engineer laugh You guys really don't like us, do you? ; ) -----Original Message----- Subject: engineer laugh not responsible for these but thought that we could use a laugh Two engineering students were walking across campus when onesaid, from dati@selway.umt.edu Wed Jan 9 10:58:24 2002 g09GwNW26621 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:58:23 - for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:58:22 - Subject: bamboo I received Cattanach's book for christmas and I am impressed. It coverseverything I need to know in order to make good rods. In the beginning it talks about the source of bamboo in China. Afterreading this I was wondering about the amount of the source. Do you allthink that one day tonkin cane will be in short supply? It seems like a20 to 30 square mile area is a very small area to produce the world'ssupply of tonkin cane. I am just curious about your thoughts. Darin Law from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Wed Jan 9 11:05:08 2002 g09H57W27256 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:05:07 -0600 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:52:17 -0600 Subject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I was supposedto save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for the savingsto start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : )TAM-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom from ttalsma@macatawa.org Wed Jan 9 11:07:12 2002 g09H7BW27509 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:07:11 -0600 id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:00:25 -0500 id Y2QPVJ9Q; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:00:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Hazards Yeah, but I'd bet we'd enjoy watching! Bob Nunley wrote: Hell, I'd just break the damn thing! *S* R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Tony Young" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:46 AMSubject: Re: Hazards How about we put a web cam in Nunley's workshop?Sorry Bob. [:-)] Tony At 08:39 AM 1/9/02 -0700, James Harris wrote: Sounds good. Perhaps a link to one of the material safety data sheet(MSDS) websites for plenty of additional information. Todd Talsma 01/09/02 08:20AM >>> All, After updating the tips archive, I got a message from Tim Wilhelm asfollows:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have an idea for your tips. How about a hazardous material section.The discussion on MEK earlier this week got me to thinking about that.Maybe something that lists the materials we are most likely to come incontact with, their risks and where to go for additional information. Idon't know that I would go into too much detail on this in terms oftreatment or anything. Just an idea. Tim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sounds to me like this would be a very good thing to have out there.What do y'all think?--Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from dpeaston@wzrd.com Wed Jan 9 11:09:22 2002 Received: from X-Sender:dpeaston@mail.wzrd.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 fbcwin@3g.quik.com, ajthramer@hotmail.com From: "Douglas P. Easton"Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Cc: References: dpeaston@wzrd.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi All,Relative to this thread I have a couple of "stupid questions:" 1. Whatpercentage of new rods are sold by dealers? 2. Has anyone done anyresearch on what the customer really wants? -Doug At 10:56 PM 1/9/2002+0800, you wrote: These are the things I was getting at when I sent my post about what has come to be expected. IMHO the dealers and collectors who don't fish the rods are all about increasing values of rods by consistently undervaluing rods that aren't in the stream side jewelry dept and that sets the end user's mind in that direction.That's fine if the user wants to pay top dollar but it seems to me the user is demanding top quality at reducing prices meaning makers are spending stupid amounts of time meeting unrealistic demands for the quality demanded but not paid for.A dealer here once told me when he thought his supply of Partridge rods was about to dry up if all I did was spend a little more time and make my rods look just like a T&T people would really sit up and take notice. My response was if I could buy a T&T rod for $650 I'd sit up and take notice too. If you want a T&T you have to buy one.If all things are equal meaning the taper, quality of actual rod making etc a $700 rod really shouldn't look as nice as a $1200 rod but I'll bet that's what rod makers are feeling they need to produce for a $700 sale if they want to sell at all and that's largely because the punters think there's something wrong with the rod otherwise.How many people on list fish with rods they'd never even consider selling? They're the only ones I own!!! I obviously have a bee in my bonnet about dealers and middle men but it annoys me they seem to have so much control and make most of themoney. I admit it's always the way in the end but I don't have to like it. I have no problem with people just wheeling and dealing for the fun of it but horse traders who prey on it are another story. Tony Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from jojo@ipa.net Wed Jan 9 11:21:20 2002 g09HLKW28813 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:21:20 -0600 helo=default) id 16OMPf-0002C6-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:21:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Hazards . . . or hit your head on it. M-D Hell, I'd just break the damn thing! *S* R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com From: "Tony Young" How about we put a web cam in Nunley's workshop?Sorry Bob. [:-)] Tony At 08:39 AM 1/9/02 -0700, James Harris wrote: Sounds good. Perhaps a link to one of the material safety data sheet(MSDS) websites for plenty of additional information. Todd Talsma 01/09/02 08:20AM >>> All, After updating the tips archive, I got a message from Tim Wilhelm asfollows:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have an idea for your tips. How about a hazardous material section.The discussion on MEK earlier this week got me to thinking about that.Maybe something that lists the materials we are most likely to come incontact with, their risks and where to go for additional information. I don't know that I would go into too much detail on this in terms oftreatment or anything. Just an idea. Tim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sounds to me like this would be a very good thing to have out there.What do y'all think?--Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 11:29:24 2002 g09HTMW29486 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:29:22 -0600 , Subject: Re: Hazards I assumed somebody else would install it and fortify it behind unbreakable and heat proof glass [:-)] Tony At 10:54 AM 1/9/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Hell, I'd just break the damn thing! *S* R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Tony Young" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:46 AMSubject: Re: Hazards How about we put a web cam in Nunley's workshop?Sorry Bob. [:-)] Tony At 08:39 AM 1/9/02 -0700, James Harris wrote: Sounds good. Perhaps a link to one of the material safety data sheet(MSDS) websites for plenty of additional information. Todd Talsma 01/09/02 08:20AM >>> All, After updating the tips archive, I got a message from Tim Wilhelm asfollows:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have an idea for your tips. How about a hazardous material section.The discussion on MEK earlier this week got me to thinking about that.Maybe something that lists the materials we are most likely to come incontact with, their risks and where to go for additional information. Idon't know that I would go into too much detail on this in terms oftreatment or anything. Just an idea. Tim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sounds to me like this would be a very good thing to have out there.What do y'all think?--Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Wed Jan 9 11:40:40 2002 g09HedW00453 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:40:39 -0600 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:27:43 -0600 Harris.James@ev.state.az.us, ttalsma@macatawa.org Subject: RE: Hazards Youse guys are sure hard on Brother Bob! I've only seen him fall twice inthe year and a half that I've known him (OK, while he was sober...), I'veonly seen him sporting stitches once, and we only ducked three projectilesin our two rodmaking sessions in Poteau. I don't even wear a hardhat in hisshop anymore. And I don't know why you're concerned about the heat-proofglass, He has two fire extinguishers at arms length, easily accessible fromanywhere in the shop. Jeez, give the poor guy a break! TAM : ) -----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Hazards I assumed somebody else would install it and fortify it behind unbreakable and heat proof glass [:-)] Tony At 10:54 AM 1/9/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Hell, I'd just break the damn thing! *S* R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Tony Young" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:46 AMSubject: Re: Hazards How about we put a web cam in Nunley's workshop?Sorry Bob. [:-)] Tony At 08:39 AM 1/9/02 -0700, James Harris wrote: Sounds good. Perhaps a link to one of the material safety data sheet(MSDS) websites for plenty of additional information. Todd Talsma 01/09/02 08:20AM >>> All, After updating the tips archive, I got a message from Tim Wilhelm asfollows:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have an idea for your tips. How about a hazardous material section.The discussion on MEK earlier this week got me to thinking about that.Maybe something that lists the materials we are most likely to come incontact with, their risks and where to go for additional information. I don't know that I would go into too much detail on this in terms oftreatment or anything. Just an idea. Tim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sounds to me like this would be a very good thing to have out there.What do y'all think?--Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Wed Jan 9 11:51:52 2002 g09HpoW01280 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:51:50 -0600 Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:51:13 -0700 0700 with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:51:44 -0700 Subject: RE: engineer laugh FILETIME=[3A8C1FF0:01C19936] g09HppW01281 Geologists and engineers have always had a, shall I say, less than respectfulrelationship. This is an old joke about it. Thought some may enjoy it. Two engineers get on a plane and take the two seats closest to the window. As fate would have it, a geologist was assigned to the third seat, next to theisle. After the plain leveled off the geologist slipped his boots off and gotcomfortable while the engineers started work on there laptops. The first engineer winks at the second engineer and announced that he couldreally use a coke. Hearing this, the geologist pops up and says 'keep your seat buddy, I'll goback to the stewardess and get it for you. ' While the geologist is gone the first engineer picks up one of the boots andspits in it. When the geologist returns the second engineer says 'gees, that really looksgood. could you get me a coke too?' ...Sure thing buddy be right back. This time the second engineer spits in the other boot. The flight goes on and the plane starts its final decent. When the geologist puts his boots on he realizes what the engineers haddone. Upset he turns to the engineer and shouts 'How long must this animositybetween our professions go on? ...This constant back stabbing!..........................................................This spitting in boots!......................................................................................................Thispissing in cokes! "Miller, Troy" 01/09/02 09:53AM >>> You guys really don't like us, do you? ; ) -----Original Message----- Subject: engineer laugh not responsible for these but thought that we could use a laugh Two engineering students were walking across campus when onesaid, from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 12:22:36 2002 g09IMaW03195 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:22:36 -0600 Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:22:35 PST Subject: C. Pain rods Is C. Pain upgrading their image?http://cgi.ebay.com/aw- cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1058831818 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 12:25:24 2002 g09IPNW03531 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:25:23 -0600 Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:25:23 PST Subject: Source request Does anyone have a good source for the brass holddownsused in the Medved Beveler? The only brass bars I wasable to come up with from hardware stores in our areaare not the recommended square strips. Bill W. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from lblan@provide.net Wed Jan 9 12:51:30 2002 g09IpUW04951 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:51:30 -0600 with HTTP id 8909133; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:51:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Wow... you must be doing something wrong! [:)] You didn't forget to add fly tying, did you? It is anecessary step for *true* savings. Larry On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:01:49 -0600 "Miller, Troy" wrote: At this point, I have been very much the customer. Ithought I was supposedto save money making these things. Rachel is stillwaiting for the savingsto start showing up. Good thing she's even more patientthan I am.... : )TAM-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:05 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Wed Jan 9 13:06:19 2002 g09J6IW05829 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:06:19 -0600 sender ) Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Savings???? She bought that!!!! WOW, you're good. tom----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I was supposed to save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for the savings to start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : ) TAM-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:05 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom from jerryy@webtv.net Wed Jan 9 13:15:20 2002 g09JFJW06572 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:15:19 -0600 by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with 2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id LAA14379; ETAtAhUAh7DY9odLyXDuI8V4hmAIft+cPfECFHIYwJ9Bff07LeFPblUYYjmVClfm Subject: Re: C. Pain rods Jan Just a different seller. This guy is located in Singapore. Jerry Young from MasjC1@aol.com Wed Jan 9 13:15:36 2002 g09JFZW06631 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:15:36 -0600 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:15:13 -0500 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! My vote would also have to go to Wayne. It was his book and especially the video that gave me the confidence to start building rods. I suspect that he has had more influence on more people than any other bamboo rod maker,living or dead. Mark Cole My vote would also haveto go to Wayne. It was his book and especially the video that gave me theconfidence to start building rods. I suspect that he has had more influenceon more people than any other bamboo rod maker, living or dead. Mark Cole from KyleDruey@aol.com Wed Jan 9 13:22:04 2002 g09JM3W07236 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:22:03 -0600 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:21:45 -0500 MAILINID99-0109142145; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:21:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Just like with homebrewing... lets see, $30 in malt/hops/yeast to make a 5gallon batch and with imports at $2+ a bottle, hmmmmm, not counting the$4,762 I have invested in equipment thats a savings of $0.67+ per bottle! In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:07:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,"Jill and Tom Ausfeld" writes: Savings???? She bought that!!!! WOW, you're good. tom----- Original Message -----From: Miller, Troy Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:01 PMSubject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I was supposed to save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for the savings to start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : ) TAM-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:05 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 9 13:23:52 2002 g09JNoW07508 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:23:50 -0600 (authenticated) Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:25:27 -0800 Subject: Re: C. Pain rods --------------1239AAD96AAA19321CF1B6DC Bill, I asked one of the eBay winners about these rods. Turns out heowns one of the websites which buys, refurbishes, and re-sells oldrods, and consigns some new rods as well. I will not say which site,but many of you have visited there, no doubt. (Not Denver Dave!!) So far he has bought three of these rods. All of them have beenreturned within the mandatory 3-day period. One for big glue lines.One for bag marks in the varnish. One for chunks of dust in thevarnish. One of these days, the Chinese makers are going to get it right.When they do, there will be lots of nice looking, well-made bamboorods available; all based on classic tapers. I wish them nothing butsuccess. Harry Bill Walters wrote: Is C. Pain upgrading their image?http://cgi.ebay.com/aw- cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1058831818 --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church --------------1239AAD96AAA19321CF1B6DC Bill, Turns out he owns one of the websites which buys, refurbishes, and re-sells chunks of dust in the varnish. but success. Bill Walters wrote:Is C. Pain upgrading their image?http://cgi.ebay.com/aw- cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1058831818 --Harry Boyd --------------1239AAD96AAA19321CF1B6DC-- from MasjC1@aol.com Wed Jan 9 13:28:37 2002 g09JSbW08004 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:28:37 -0600 Subject: Re: Hazards Harris.James@ev.state.az.us, ttalsma@macatawa.org Troy, Jeez, give the poor guy a break! TAM : ) We don't need to give Bob any breaks. He does a great job by himself and it is soooo entertaining. 8>) Mark Troy, We don't need to give Bob any breaks. He does a great job by himselfand it is soooo entertaining. Mark from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 13:55:41 2002 g09JteW09772 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:55:40 -0600 09 Jan 2002 11:55:40 PST Subject: Re: question about snakebrand guides al and everyone else involved, i talked to the mccoysmonday there was a machine breakdown and will ship in2wks. they were very embarrassed about this. i offeredencouragement as i was able. i think the guides areworth waiting for. i hope no one is going to beinconvienianced. i will get them out as soon as ireceive them. timothy --- al spicer wrote: Timothy, How do things stand with the snakebrand guidesorder?I'm curious only because I have 3 blanks to starton. Thanks, Al __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from quiet_reed@hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 14:05:53 2002 g09K5qW10489 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:05:52 -0600 Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:05:47 -0800 Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:05:46 GMT Subject: Bamboo Rod Casting Demonstration FILETIME=[06E0E970:01C19949] Hi: I just wanted to update the group on the Bamboo Rod Casting Demonstration. The Casting Demo will be one of many events at the Annual Fly Fishing Fair held by The Santiam Fly Casters of Salem, Oregon. The date is Saturday, April 6th. The time is 10AM-3PM. The place is Willamette University in Salem, Oregon. (I'll get a most exact location on the campus in the next few weeks.) The event is meant to give contemporary fly fishers an opportunity to see and cast contemporary bamboo fly rods. The casting demo may be indoors(the gym) or outdoors (a playing field) depending on weather conditions. Two rodmakers have graciously agreed to bring along one or more of their rods -- AJ Thramer and Chris McDowell. I would like to invite other rodmakers that might be nearby to bring their rods as well. This is not meant to be a selling event. I will try and see if some of the big fly companies, eg Orvis, T&T, would be willing to bring along some of their rods. I hope to be talking with the folks at Bellinger's this week about their rods or tools. Chris has agreed to help me with a poster that describes and shows some of the steps of bamboo rod making. I am trying to get a handout printed by the end of the week or sometime next week. The impetus for the event is the fact that many fly fishers have never cast a contemporary bamboo rod. And that I believe more fly fishers would enjoy the opportunity to cast, and maybe in the future buy, a bamboo rod. In addition, if the fly fisher can meet the rodmaker, there is an added enjoyment. Don Chenquiet_reed@hotmail.com541-750-8741 (answering machine)Corvallis, Oregon BTW. I just finished my first rod with the help of AJ Thramer. It is a 7.5 ft two-piece 4/5 wt parabolic based on one of AJ's tapers. It is one tip because I screwed up the splitting. But otherwise quite beautiful. Thanks AJ. And I'm in heaven and going around and showing off. Can't help it. Don _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com from KyleDruey@aol.com Wed Jan 9 14:09:15 2002 g09K9EW10815 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:09:14 -0600 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:08:59 -0500 0109150859; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:08:59 -0500 Subject: was Hazards now shop cam I thought Tony had a great idea, I'll even offer the first $5 donation to theNunley Shop Cam project. Besides being a total hoot, not to mention good material for a FOX prime- time television program, it could be a great way for us inexperienced folks topick up a few pointers now and then. [:)] Any 'puter jockeys in Bob'sterritory care to donate their time to install the web cam in his shop? I thinkhe's already got a web server, or is at least renting space on one. Kyle(relax, I'm cutting the old man some slack already... [:)] In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:29:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,MasjC1@aol.com writes: Troy, Jeez, give the poor guy a break! TAM : ) We don't need to give Bob any breaks. He does a great job by himself and itis soooo entertaining. 8>) Mark from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 9 14:36:27 2002 g09KaQW13051 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:36:26 -0600 Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:37:34 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Source request Unless you want to make a "Pretty" beveller just use square steelstock, I got mine at Canadian Tire, I think Home Depot or your localdroll store should carry same, Shawn Bill Walters wrote: Does anyone have a good source for the brass holddownsused in the Medved Beveler? The only brass bars I wasable to come up with from hardware stores in our areaare not the recommended square strips. Bill W. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Wed Jan 9 14:51:43 2002 g09KpcW14209 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:51:38 -0600 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Casting tournament (I'll be there with cane on) Just a short note if anyone happens to be in my neck of the "woods",Halifax, Nova Scotia, during March, that the 19 annual Atlantic OutdoorSports and RV show will be going on March 14-17.I will be there at the fly casting Championship defending the"Bamboo Underdog" . Not sure which rod to cast this year, made an awfullot of skeptics do a double take last year when I showed up with mylittle bamboo 3 pc 6'3" 2 wt against everyone else's state of the art 9'8 wt graphite monsters, I do think I was a little outgunned though.Might go with Waynes "The Force", my new PHY Midge or maybe olfaithful... PHY Perfectionist .Which ever rod I take I'm sure it will be a blast and the usual headturner when I step up to the casting pool with "cane" in hand! If anyoneis around, drop by and see me, if I'm not casting I'll probably be atthe "Green Highlander Fly Fishing" booth, I might even display a few ofmy rods this year??Drop me a line if you want more info, Shawn from fiveside@net-gate.com Wed Jan 9 14:55:27 2002 g09KtQW14571 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:55:27 -0600 Subject: Fw: Burl cork rings Burl cork rings Subject: Re: Burl cork rings Subject: Burl cork rings I was wondering if anyone had ever tried using burl cork as a spacer = see what the colour difference looked like but was not sure if the stuff =could take the abuse of the rings and reel seat. Hi All, Have not tried burl because I have a superabundance of wine bottle =corks and they work well. Would like to find a source for sliding rings. Bill Burl cork rings From: Fink Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:48 PMSubject: Re: Burl cork rings ----- Original Message ----- Callum Ross Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002= PMSubject: Burl cork rings I was wondering if anyone had ever = cork as a spacer for a cork/sliding ring reel seat. I thought it may = interesting to see what the colour difference looked like but was not = the stuff could take the abuse of the rings and reel seat.Thanks, Callum. Hi All, superabundance of wine bottle corks and they work well. from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 9 16:41:22 2002 g09MfLW21858 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:41:21 -0600 Subject: RE: was Hazards now shop cam Bob, Kyle:I have the webcam right here. You let me know if you want me to ship it toyou. If nothing else, we will get to see that beautiful puppy of Bob's.Bob Maulucci -----Original Message----- Subject: was Hazards now shop cam I thought Tony had a great idea, I'll even offer the first $5donation to the Nunley Shop Cam project. Besides being a total hoot, not to mention good material for a FOXprime-time television program, it could be a great way for usinexperienced folks to pick up a few pointers now and then. [:)] Any 'puter jockeys in Bob's territory care to donate their time toinstall the web cam in his shop? I think he's already got a webserver, or is at least renting space on one. Kyle(relax, I'm cutting the old man some slack already... [:)] In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:29:06 PM Eastern StandardTime, MasjC1@aol.com writes: Troy, Jeez, give the poor guy a break! TAM : ) We don't need to give Bob any breaks. He does a great job by himself and it is soooo entertaining. 8>) Mark from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 9 16:46:26 2002 g09MkOW22324 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:46:24 -0600 Subject: RE: Burl cork rings, now slide bands Burl cork ringsBill:Tony Larson has announced he is making slide bands.http://pages.prodigy.net/pumpkin10/index.htmlAlso, Dave LeClair and Bob Venneri do a fine job, and I am sure they wouldmake some up for you. There are many others who are doing fine work, but Icannot vouch for them as I have not seen their product.Maybe someone will trade for the wine you pour out to get to your corksource.Best regards,BobHave not tried burl because I have a superabundance of wine bottle corksand they work well.Would like to find a source for sliding rings. Bill Burl cork rings Bill: has announced he is making slide bands. http://pages.prodi=gy.net/pumpkin10/index.html LeClair and Bob Venneri do a fine job, and I am sure they would make = you. There are many others who are doing fine work, but I cannot vouch = as I have not seen their product. source.Best regards,Bob bottle corks and they work well. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 16:56:05 2002 g09Mu4W24832 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:56:04 -0600 Subject: Re: was Hazards now shop cam It'll put anything The Crocadile Hunter can come up with to deep shame [:-)] Tony At 03:08 PM 1/9/02 -0500, KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: I thought Tony had a great idea, I'll even offer the first $5 donation to the Nunley Shop Cam project. Besides being a total hoot, not to mention good material for a FOX prime- time television program, it could be a great way for us inexperienced folks to pick up a few pointers now and then. [:)] Any 'puter jockeys in Bob's territory care to donate their time to install the web cam in his shop? I think he's already got a web server, or is at least renting space on one. Kyle(relax, I'm cutting the old man some slack already... [:)] In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:29:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, MasjC1@aol.com writes: Troy, Jeez, give the poor guy a break! TAM : ) We don't need to give Bob any breaks. He does a great job by himself and it is soooo entertaining. 8>) Mark /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from jfreeman@cyberport.com Wed Jan 9 17:19:27 2002 g09NJPW00280 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:19:26 -0600 Subject: Re: engineer laugh Why, I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother as anengineer. ;>) Jim----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: engineer laugh You guys really don't like us, do you? ; ) -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: engineer laugh not responsible for these but thought that we could use a laugh Two engineering students were walking across campus when onesaid, from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Wed Jan 9 17:46:19 2002 g09NkJW06541 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:46:19 -0600 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:33:27 -0600 Subject: RE: engineer laugh OUCH! -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: engineer laugh Why, I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother as anengineer. ;>) Jim from Lazybee45@aol.com Wed Jan 9 18:09:36 2002 g0A09ZW11700 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:09:35 -0600 Subject: Re: engineer laugh In a message dated 1/9/02 10:57:51 AM Central Standard Time, Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com writes: Um...yep! that is it exactly! we LIKE you! Honestly, I have a few engineer friends, most are relatively "normal" but a few are what my grandfatherused to call "queer ducks" which has absolutely nothing to do with sexual preference! I think that it is because they are actually so knowlegable or possibly so intelligent (I have two friends who are physics professors as well and they are similar kinds of people) that the everyday workaday world is a strange and frightening place. An answer to a question put to them would be perfectly logical to THEM, but sometimes brings consternation tothe person asking.Many engineers suffer from "Too much knowlege" I think. If you would ask an engineer to design a better bicycle, generally he would start in doing a structural analisys and metelurgical tests, not practical ideas of how to improve the breed. But then that is how they are TRAINED.Gotta love em!You guys are cool! I don't always understand you! but you are cool! mark visit Marks Magic Workshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html from channer@frontier.net Wed Jan 9 18:18:28 2002 g0A0IRW12399 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:18:28 -0600 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:18:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Troy;What on earth made you think you were going to save money by making themyourself???????? You sure didn't ask around here first, any one of uscould have and would have told you to go out and buy an arm full ofPaynes and Leonards (and maybe throw in a Garrison just to top off thepile) and save yourself the aggravation!john "Miller, Troy" wrote: At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I wassupposedto save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for the savingsto start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : )TAM from channer@frontier.net Wed Jan 9 18:21:13 2002 g0A0LCW12643 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:21:13 -0600 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:21:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Doug;Can't answer the first one, but I do know the answer to the second one,it's the same as what customers all over the world have always wanted,champagne at beer prices!john "Douglas P. Easton" wrote: Hi All,Relative to this thread I have a couple of "stupid questions:" 1. What percentage of new rods are sold by dealers?2. Has anyone done any research on what the customer really wants? -Doug At 10:56 PM 1/9/2002 +0800, you wrote: These are the things I was getting at when I sent my post about what hascome to be expected. IMHO the dealers and collectors who don't fish therods are all about increasing values of rods by consistently undervaluingrods that aren't in the stream side jewelry dept and that sets the enduser's mind in that direction.That's fine if the user wants to pay top dollar but it seems to me theuser is demanding top quality at reducing prices meaning makers arespending stupid amounts of time meeting unrealistic demands for thequality demanded but not paid for.A dealer here once told me when he thought his supply of Partridge rodswas about to dry up if all I did was spend a little more time and make myrods look just like a T&T people would really sit up and take notice. Myresponse was if I could buy a T&T rod for $650 I'd sit up and take noticetoo. If you want a T&T you have to buy one.If all things are equal meaning the taper, quality of actual rod makingetc a $700 rod really shouldn't look as nice as a $1200 rod but I'll betthat's what rod makers are feeling they need to produce for a $700 saleifthey want to sell at all and that's largely because the punters thinkthere's something wrong with the rod otherwise.How many people on list fish with rods they'd never even consider selling?They're the only ones I own!!! I obviously have a bee in my bonnet about dealers and middle men but itannoys me they seem to have so much control and make most of themoney. Iadmit it's always the way in the end but I don't have to like it. I haveno problem with people just wheeling and dealing for the fun of it buthorse traders who prey on it are another story. Tony Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Wed Jan 9 18:32:38 2002 g0A0WbW13456 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:32:38 -0600 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:19:00 -0600 Subject: RE: engineer laugh I'm not as "pure" an engineer as most. I actually work in the Marketingdepartment of my company, and try to bring some real world sense to whatwemanufacture and use in the field. I'm kinda the link between the designguys and the guys who get dirty. Sometimes I dabble a little in thedesigning, and sometimes I get dirty. Kinda a neat place to be. They callme Senior Applications Engineer, that's what my business card says. I'm glad the everyday world isn't frightening to me. I enjoy embracing ittoo much! I ain't no spectator.... -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: engineer laugh In a message dated 1/9/02 10:57:51 AM Central Standard Time, Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com writes: Um...yep! that is it exactly! we LIKE you! Honestly, I have a fewengineer friends, most are relatively "normal" but a few are what my grandfatherused from channer@frontier.net Wed Jan 9 18:39:45 2002 g0A0diW13820 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:39:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Casting tournament (I'll be there with cane on) Give em Hell Shawn!!!!!!!john Shawn Pineo wrote: Just a short note if anyone happens to be in my neck of the "woods",Halifax, Nova Scotia, during March, that the 19 annual Atlantic OutdoorSports and RV show will be going on March 14-17.I will be there at the fly casting Championship defending the"Bamboo Underdog" . Not sure which rod to cast this year, made an awfullot of skeptics do a double take last year when I showed up with mylittle bamboo 3 pc 6'3" 2 wt against everyone else's state of the art 9'8 wt graphite monsters, I do think I was a little outgunned though.Might go with Waynes "The Force", my new PHY Midge or maybe olfaithful... PHY Perfectionist .Which ever rod I take I'm sure it will be a blast and the usual headturner when I step up to the casting pool with "cane" in hand! If anyoneis around, drop by and see me, if I'm not casting I'll probably be atthe "Green Highlander Fly Fishing" booth, I might even display a few ofmy rods this year??Drop me a line if you want more info, Shawn from bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 9 18:39:51 2002 g0A0doW13829 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:39:50 -0600 "rod 'akers" Subject: RE: question about snakebrand guides Guys:I am too awaiting an order. I had to order a small bunch of Snake Brandguides from Russ at Golden Witch last month. I had used up my old stock ofSnake Brand guides from the group order the list ran two years ago. Theguides are different now, and the newer Snake Brand guides are even better.Nicer profile on the feet. I am very impressed. They are worth the wait.Best regards,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: question about snakebrand guides al and everyone else involved, i talked to the mccoysmonday there was a machine breakdown and will ship in2wks. they were very embarrassed about this. i offeredencouragement as i was able. i think the guides areworth waiting for. i hope no one is going to beinconvienianced. i will get them out as soon as ireceive them. timothy --- al spicer wrote: Timothy, How do things stand with the snakebrand guidesorder?I'm curious only because I have 3 blanks to starton. Thanks, Al __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Wed Jan 9 18:49:01 2002 g0A0n0W14548 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:49:00 -0600 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:35:10 -0600 Subject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker Please read my previous post about spectating and participating. I can't go at anything half way. Don't want to die wishing "if only I hadonly tried that one thing...." I hate regretting. Besides, someday, I willmake a rod that is better than a Payne or a Leonard. Not worth more, butbetter for me. Blasphemy, eh? TAM -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Troy;What on earth made you think you were going to save money by making themyourself???????? You sure didn't ask around here first, any one of uscould have and would have told you to go out and buy an arm full ofPaynes and Leonards (and maybe throw in a Garrison just to top off thepile) and save yourself the aggravation!john "Miller, Troy" wrote: At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I was supposed to save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for the savings to start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : ) TAM from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Wed Jan 9 20:03:59 2002 g0A23xW16757 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:03:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Kyle, try all grain, after about $200 in parts (and a couple of favors), it costsme $25 per 10 gallon batch, that's about $6.25 per case! This is one hobbythat I actually save money at. Plus I when I brew it (in the garage), Imake a half a dozen sets of ferrules. tom ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Just like with homebrewing... lets see, $30 in malt/hops/yeast to make a 5 gallon batch and with imports at $2+ a bottle, hmmmmm, not counting the$4,762 I have invested in equipment thats a savings of $0.67+ per bottle! In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:07:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" writes: Savings???? She bought that!!!! WOW, you're good. tom----- Original Message -----From: Miller, Troy Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:01 PMSubject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I was supposed to save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for the savings to start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : ) TAM-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:05 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom from stoltz10@attbi.com Wed Jan 9 21:05:47 2002 g0A35lW22200 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:05:47 -0600 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker I brew 5 gal batches for about $22-$28 depending on what I'm brewing, it'scheaper than buying micro beers.----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Kyle, try all grain, after about $200 in parts (and a couple of favors), it costs me $25 per 10 gallon batch, that's about $6.25 per case! This is one hobby that I actually save money at. Plus I when I brew it (in the garage), Imake a half a dozen sets of ferrules. tom ----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Just like with homebrewing... lets see, $30 in malt/hops/yeast to make a 5 gallon batch and with imports at $2+ a bottle, hmmmmm, not counting the$4,762 I have invested in equipment thats a savings of $0.67+ per bottle! In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:07:19 PM Eastern StandardTime, "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" writes: Savings???? She bought that!!!! WOW, you're good. tom----- Original Message -----From: Miller, Troy Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:01 PMSubject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I was supposed to save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for the savings to start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : ) TAM-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:05 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom from FISHWOOL@aol.com Wed Jan 9 21:13:35 2002 g0A3DYW23667 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:13:34 -0600 Subject: Re: Agate & Agatine strippers To all,I've fly fished for 60+ years and I've never cracked an agate guide-of course I probably will the next time out. I've also seen many old rods with agate guides where the only undamaged thing was the agate stripper-sooo if you don't mind the cost, use 'em,Regards,Hank. from piscator@macatawa.org Wed Jan 9 21:52:40 2002 g0A3qdW29517 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:52:39 -0600 Subject: Re: was Hazards now shop cam Crikey! That's gonna leave a scar! Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: was Hazards now shop cam It'll put anything The Crocadile Hunter can come up with to deep shame [:-)] Tony At 03:08 PM 1/9/02 -0500, KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: I thought Tony had a great idea, I'll even offer the first $5 donation tothe Nunley Shop Cam project. Besides being a total hoot, not to mention good material for a FOXprime-time television program, it could be a great way for usinexperienced folks to pick up a few pointers now and then. [:)] Any 'puter jockeys in Bob's territory care to donate their time to install the web cam in his shop? I think he's already got a web server, or is atleast renting space on one. Kyle(relax, I'm cutting the old man some slack already... [:)] In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:29:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,MasjC1@aol.com writes: Troy, Jeez, give the poor guy a break! TAM : ) We don't need to give Bob any breaks. He does a great job by himself and it is soooo entertaining. 8>) Mark /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from atlasc1@earthlink.net Wed Jan 9 21:58:19 2002 g0A3wJW29976 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:58:19 -0600 helo=g2t8c9) id 16OWM5-0007Ez-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:58:17 -0800 Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Who's Wayne? Just kidding! I have never met Wayne but to tell you the truth his book andvideo was all it took to get me a rod made. I was the only rodmaker I knew first bamboo rod I fished was my first rod made(Sir D) ala Cattanch. Myinterest in bamboo rods was initially because is was about the hardest thingleft in fly fishing I could think of. I was bored and wanted a challengeThen I discovered this list and I am not bored any more. Since I am not qualified to say who the greatest rodmakers of the past wereI will just comment on the great rodmakers I know. Bob Nunley and HarryBoyd to his shop and freely and willingly spending his time and sharing hisexperience. John Zimny for having kind words and good advice for a curioushobbyist. Jim Reams and JW for going out of their way to make sure theprojects I was working on were safe and bending over backwards to help me. And my 2cents for one of the greatest makers is E.C. Powell. Here is aCalifornia boy all by himself separated from the great makers of the East.He made his own machines patented his own process and developed his owntapers. What he was doing was unique to himself and is still a feat toaccomplish even today. There is a lot more to being the greatest rodmaker then cosmetics! ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Doug seez...Well said Doug! My feelings exactly. Adding to that...Wayne being directly involved in the creation of 'The Planing Form" and being directly involved in the creation of this very email list. And of course Wayne's book and HEXROD program bringing rodmaking into the present, and the launching pad for so many of great books and programs that followed... Thanks You Wayne! Mike BiondoSt. Louis, MO Doug Hall seez...You know reading all of these posts has brought up something that I think is very important. I begin thinking of the "great Rodmakers" thread in a different way and realized that certain of these individuals should be thought of in two ways. 1) The rods that they made and the contributions to theory etc. And 2) the people that their impact introduced us to. An example for me is Wayne. When I think of the wonderful people that I can now call friends I realize that if it were not for Wayne I would not know them. It is almost as if there are multiple generations/layers that a person like WC impacts. Thank you Wayne. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 21:59:57 2002 g0A3xuW00177 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:59:56 -0600 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker You guys should look at an Aussie brew kit and use the malt and malt enhancers. I'd rather drink what I make than the best I can buy here and that includes James Boag and Crown Larger etc. I wont comment on Fosters except to say it *may* rate as a good wash to clean everything up after a brew is bottled provided I can get rid of the flavor.I've made all grain beers, making the mash etc but at the risk of sounding like a philistine I didn't think it was that much better for the hassle. Tony At 07:05 PM 1/9/02 -0800, Tim wrote: I brew 5 gal batches for about $22-$28 depending on what I'm brewing, it'scheaper than buying micro beers.----- Original Message -----From: "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 6:05 PMSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Kyle, try all grain, after about $200 in parts (and a couple of favors), it costs me $25 per 10 gallon batch, that's about $6.25 per case! This is one hobby that I actually save money at. Plus I when I brew it (in the garage), Imake a half a dozen sets of ferrules. tom ----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Just like with homebrewing... lets see, $30 in malt/hops/yeast to makea 5 gallon batch and with imports at $2+ a bottle, hmmmmm, not countingthe$4,762 I have invested in equipment thats a savings of $0.67+ perbottle! In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:07:19 PM Eastern StandardTime, "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" writes: Savings???? She bought that!!!! WOW, you're good. tom----- Original Message -----From: Miller, Troy Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:01 PMSubject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I was supposed to save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for the savings to start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : ) TAM-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:05 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 9 22:03:37 2002 g0A43ZW00483 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:03:35 -0600 , "Bob Nunley" ,, Subject: Re: Hazards You know, I've been thinking about the web cam thing. It could be called "Nunley Cam In The House Of Pain". Comments? Tony At 06:41 PM 1/10/02 -0500, Jeff Schaeffer wrote: I personally have never seen Bob fall, but did get to see him sink out ofsight.As with his other actions, he did it with grace and style. Jeff /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from KyleDruey@aol.com Wed Jan 9 22:13:43 2002 g0A4DgW01061 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:13:42 -0600 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:13:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker I understand that Fosters means blah in ozstralian... In a message dated 01/09/2002 8:00:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, avyoung@iinet.net.au writes: You guys should look at an Aussie brew kit and use the malt and malt enhancers. I'd rather drink what I make than the best I can buy here and that includes James Boag and Crown Larger etc. I wont comment onFosters except to say it *may* rate as a good wash to clean everything up after a brew is bottled provided I can get rid of the flavor.I've made all grain beers, making the mash etc but at the risk of sounding like a philistine I didn't think it was that much better for the hassle.TonyAt 07:05 PM 1/9/02 -0800, Tim wrote:I brew 5 gal batches for about $22-$28 depending on what I'm brewing, it's cheaper than buying micro beers.----- Original Message -----From: "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 6:05 PMSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Kyle, try all grain, after about $200 in parts (and a couple of favors), itcostsme $25 per 10 gallon batch, that's about $6.25 per case! This is onehobbythat I actually save money at. Plus I when I brew it (in the garage), I make a half a dozen sets of ferrules. tom ----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Just like with homebrewing... lets see, $30 in malt/hops/yeast to make a5gallon batch and with imports at $2+ a bottle, hmmmmm, not counting the $4,762 I have invested in equipment thats a savings of $0.67+ per bottle! In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:07:19 PM Eastern StandardTime,"Jill and Tom Ausfeld" writes: Savings???? She bought that!!!! WOW, you're good. tom----- Original Message -----From: Miller, Troy Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:01 PMSubject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I wassupposedto save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for thesavingsto start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than Iam....: )TAM-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:05 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom /*************************************************************************/AV YoungVisit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.htmlA crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone.Unknown /*************************************************************************/----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (rly-xb02.mail.aol.com Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:00:50 -0500 rly- Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:00:21 -0500 g0A40BW00255; g0A3xuW00177 Received: (qmail 9534 invoked by uid 666); 10 Jan 2002 03:59:51 - 0000Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) (203.59.163.231) Message-Id: X-Sender: avyoung@mail.iinet.net.auX-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:05:49 +0800 From: Tony Young Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker References: Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from Callum.Ross@macquarie.com Wed Jan 9 22:56:28 2002 g0A4uQW02786 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:56:27 -0600 g0A4rin24251 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:53:44 g0A4uL723358 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:56:21 NT_SYD_MS02.macbank ;Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:56:17 +1100 id ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:56:17 +1100 Subject: RE: The Greatest Rodmaker! I have only cast one bamboo rod that I didn't make (P et M and I wouldn't raveabout it) and I am only up to no.5. On top of that I have only ever seen thework of one other maker and being in Australia it wasn't any of the currentor past US masters whose names are highly regarded. That background hardly allows me to comment on the greatest rodmaker butWayne always seems to be there somewhere, be it through his book, tapersor advice. Whether or not he is the greatest rodmaker is a moot point, buthe certainly has made a sizable contribution to modern rodmaking. I will second what many others have said and that is the list membersrepresent an absolute wealth of knowledge and the list is an excellent way toshare information. Without that sort of help I wouldn't have made it to rodnumber one. Thanks everyone, Callum. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: The Greatest Rodmaker! Who's Wayne? Just kidding! I have never met Wayne but to tell you the truth his book andvideo was all it took to get me a rod made. I was the only rodmaker I knew first bamboo rod I fished was my first rod made(Sir D) ala Cattanch. Myinterest in bamboo rods was initially because is was about the hardest thingleft in fly fishing I could think of. I was bored and wanted a challengeThen I discovered this list and I am not bored any more. Since I am not qualified to say who the greatest rodmakers of the past wereI will just comment on the great rodmakers I know. Bob Nunley and HarryBoyd to his shop and freely and willingly spending his time and sharing his experience. John Zimny for having kind words and good advice for a curioushobbyist. Jim Reams and JW for going out of their way to make sure theprojects I was working on were safe and bending over backwards to help me. And my 2cents for one of the greatest makers is E.C. Powell. Here is aCalifornia boy all by himself separated from the great makers of the East.He made his own machines patented his own process and developed his owntapers. What he was doing was unique to himself and is still a feat toaccomplish even today. There is a lot more to being the greatest rodmaker then cosmetics! NOTICEThis e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyrightmaterial of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intendedrecipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act inreliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies ofthem. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or anyattached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own andmay not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. from KyleDruey@aol.com Wed Jan 9 23:32:05 2002 g0A5W4W03703 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:32:04 -0600 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:31:50 - Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Tom, This bamboo rodmaking is just like HB, you can make it as simple and cheapas you want, or you can make is complicated and $$ as you want. I started the HB thing just like most with hopped DME kits, enamel kettles, dry yeast, etc. Then it evolved in to 3 kettle gas fired RIMS and all grain, stainless temperature controlled fermentation, stir plates, yeast plating and cell counting, CO2 kegs, a beer fidge that holds 6 kegs, and on and on and on and on... I got the same damn think going with boo, I am almost finished with my first rod, now I want to make quad forms so I can make a quad for rod #2, and it bothers me that the MHM is sitting out there because I probably won't be satisfied one day without it, and it goes on and on and on and on.... I had an idea for a special "Rodmakers" brew, actually Troy sparked the idea. Possibly an amber ale with toasted bamboo shavings tossed in the kettle for the last 15' of the boil. Could be toxic, I guess I'll just have to drink it and see what happens. Kyle PS - I'm still looking for advice on how to build quad forms from those who have done it. In a message dated 01/09/2002 6:03:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, tausfeld@frontiernet.net writes: Kyle,try all grain, after about $200 in parts (and a couple of favors), it costsme $25 per 10 gallon batch, that's about $6.25 per case! This is one hobbythat I actually save money at. Plus I when I brew it (in the garage), Imake a half a dozen sets of ferrules.tom----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument makerJust like with homebrewing... lets see, $30 in malt/hops/yeast tomake a 5 gallon batch and with imports at $2+ a bottle, hmmmmm, not counting the$4,762 I have invested in equipment thats a savings of $0.67+ per bottle! In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:07:19 PM Eastern StandardTime,"Jill and Tom Ausfeld" writes: Savings???? She bought that!!!! WOW, you're good. tom----- Original Message -----From: Miller, Troy Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:01 PMSubject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I wassupposedto save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for thesavingsto start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : )TAM-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:05 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf05.mx.aol.com (rly-xf05.mail.aol.com Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:03:52 -0500Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01h.roc.frontiernet.net [ MAILRELAYINXF52-0109210340; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:03:40 -0500Received: (qmail 26160 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 02:03:39 -0000 sender ) Message-ID: From: "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" References: Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument makerDate: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:05:03 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX- Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 from cattanac@wmis.net Thu Jan 10 00:35:39 2002 g0A6ZbW04915 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:35:38 - Subject: The Occassional - Face Plant New Years Day I snowboarded for the first time ever - the new term thatI came away from that day with was - Face Plant - those times when thingsdon't go as you see in the videos - well in reading the discussions of the'Who's the Greatest' - I appreciate the support - but I feel that othersare more deserving - reason being that as with other facets of life - I havedone my share of Face Plants as you could call them.Well - just as I fell trying out snowboarding - because of the lack ofinsight and training - Over the past couple years I have greatly hurt somelong term friendships - and perhaps destroyed them - and I was days away from being single again. Somehow I had lost that magical person that many ofyou knew - But because of the good friends that I have - I was shown that Ihad made some real mistakes - aka Face Plants - and since then I havelearned to 'Chill Out' as my good friend calls it - So I have disappeared owns me yet - I am sure many of you can relate to that - and then there isthis Butterfly that I am helping to nurture - a very important part of lifeas well.So who is the Greatest - only time will sort that out - But as BobHoekstra and I shared one time - we won't be here to know - so does itreally matter - I remember reading this Peanuts thing one time - CharlieBrown was the image and the caption went something like this - Working hereis like peeing your pants with a dark suit on - You get this warm feelingbut no one notices - I guess I subscribe to that in a way - The list - aswell as today's rodmaking in general reflects some tremendous talentpackaged in folks that by character are quiet people - not necessarilylooking to be in the spotlight but rather get pleasure in sharing withothers as they can.Perhaps it is passion that drives some of us - I see it in others aroundme and always admire it - the dedication - I suspect that is what has madeTTBBBQ so successful is that it either started with a group of passionatefolks or those under the influence of fine and rare - yet endangered SingleMalt - from that I have always admired the artist that have helped with theprints for the tickets - one of those is Larry Cory - for those that haven'theard it yet - I need to share I now have a Larry Cory original - I haveattacked a jpg of the image . . . . . . .and yes - the 'canvas' is the backof my right hand . . . . . . experience. John Zimny for having kind words and good advice for a curioushobbyist. Jim Reams and JW for going out of their way to make sure theprojects I was working on were safe and bending over backwards to help me. And my 2cents for one of the greatest makers is E.C. Powell. Here is aCalifornia boy all by himself separated from the great makers of the East.He made his own machines patented his own process and developed his owntapers. What he was doing was unique to himself and is still a feat toaccomplish even today. There is a lot more to being the greatest rodmaker then cosmetics! NOTICEThis e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyrightmaterial of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intendedrecipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act inreliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies ofthem. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or anyattached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own andmay not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. from KyleDruey@aol.com Wed Jan 9 23:32:05 2002 g0A5W4W03703 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:32:04 -0600 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:31:50 - Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Tom, This bamboo rodmaking is just like HB, you can make it as simple and cheapas you want, or you can make is complicated and $$ as you want. I started the HB thing just like most with hopped DME kits, enamel kettles, dry yeast, etc. Then it evolved in to 3 kettle gas fired RIMS and all grain, stainless temperature controlled fermentation, stir plates, yeast plating and cell counting, CO2 kegs, a beer fidge that holds 6 kegs, and on and on and on and on... I got the same damn think going with boo, I am almost finished with my first rod, now I want to make quad forms so I can make a quad for rod #2, and it bothers me that the MHM is sitting out there because I probably won't be satisfied one day without it, and it goes on and on and on and on.... I had an idea for a special "Rodmakers" brew, actually Troy sparked the idea. Possibly an amber ale with toasted bamboo shavings tossed in the kettle for the last 15' of the boil. Could be toxic, I guess I'll just have to drink it and see what happens. Kyle PS - I'm still looking for advice on how to build quad forms from those who have done it. In a message dated 01/09/2002 6:03:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, tausfeld@frontiernet.net writes: Kyle,try all grain, after about $200 in parts (and a couple of favors), it costsme $25 per 10 gallon batch, that's about $6.25 per case! This is one hobbythat I actually save money at. Plus I when I brew it (in the garage), Imake a half a dozen sets of ferrules.tom----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument makerJust like with homebrewing... lets see, $30 in malt/hops/yeast tomake a 5 gallon batch and with imports at $2+ a bottle, hmmmmm, not counting the$4,762 I have invested in equipment thats a savings of $0.67+ per bottle! In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:07:19 PM Eastern StandardTime,"Jill and Tom Ausfeld" writes: Savings???? She bought that!!!! WOW, you're good. tom----- Original Message -----From: Miller, Troy Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:01 PMSubject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I wassupposedto save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for thesavingsto start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : )TAM-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:05 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf05.mx.aol.com (rly-xf05.mail.aol.com Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:03:52 -0500Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01h.roc.frontiernet.net [ MAILRELAYINXF52-0109210340; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:03:40 -0500Received: (qmail 26160 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 02:03:39 -0000 sender ) Message-ID: From: "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" References: Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument makerDate: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:05:03 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX- Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 from cattanac@wmis.net Thu Jan 10 00:35:39 2002 g0A6ZbW04915 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:35:38 - Subject: The Occassional - Face Plant New Years Day I snowboarded for the first time ever - the new term thatI came away from that day with was - Face Plant - those times when thingsdon't go as you see in the videos - well in reading the discussions of the'Who's the Greatest' - I appreciate the support - but I feel that othersare more deserving - reason being that as with other facets of life - I havedone my share of Face Plants as you could call them.Well - just as I fell trying out snowboarding - because of the lack ofinsight and training - Over the past couple years I have greatly hurt somelong term friendships - and perhaps destroyed them - and I was days away from being single again. Somehow I had lost that magical person that many ofyou knew - But because of the good friends that I have - I was shown that Ihad made some real mistakes - aka Face Plants - and since then I havelearned to 'Chill Out' as my good friend calls it - So I have disappeared owns me yet - I am sure many of you can relate to that - and then there isthis Butterfly that I am helping to nurture - a very important part of lifeas well.So who is the Greatest - only time will sort that out - But as BobHoekstra and I shared one time - we won't be here to know - so does itreally matter - I remember reading this Peanuts thing one time - CharlieBrown was the image and the caption went something like this - Working hereis like peeing your pants with a dark suit on - You get this warm feelingbut no one notices - I guess I subscribe to that in a way - The list - aswell as today's rodmaking in general reflects some tremendous talentpackaged in folks that by character are quiet people - not necessarilylooking to be in the spotlight but rather get pleasure in sharing withothers as they can.Perhaps it is passion that drives some of us - I see it in others aroundme and always admire it - the dedication - I suspect that is what has madeTTBBBQ so successful is that it either started with a group of passionatefolks or those under the influence of fine and rare - yet endangered SingleMalt - from that I have always admired the artist that have helped with theprints for the tickets - one of those is Larry Cory - for those that haven'theard it yet - I need to share I now have a Larry Cory original - I haveattacked a jpg of the image . . . . . . .and yes - the 'canvas' is the backof my right hand . . . . . . from Lazybee45@aol.com Thu Jan 10 04:44:52 2002 g0AAioW07476 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:44:50 - Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker In a message dated 1/9/02 10:14:21 PM Central Standard Time, KyleDruey@aol.com writes: Actually the Fahstahas Extra Bitter (the green can, not the blue) is quite good! mark visit Marks Magic Workshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Thu Jan 10 05:40:33 2002 g0ABeWW08118 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:40:32 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:41:47 GMT Subject: Darryl Hayashida Hi Everyone It's a while since I've been on the list. Looking forward to picking up oldthreads. A couple of things which I hope a member can help me with. 1. I'm struggling to get an answer from Darryl Hayashida'sold email address. Can anyone give me a new contact email?2. I'm going to need a debt collector in California. Cananyone subject a good Company to deal with? Hopefully a California listmember might be able to find someone in Yellow Pages telephone directory. Good wishes to all, John Cooper Normal0DocumentEmail Hi Everyone It’s a while since I’ve been on the list. Looking =forward to picking upold threads. A couple of things which I hope a member can help me =with. I’m struggling to get an answer from =Darryl Hayashida’sold email address. Can anyone give me a new contact =email? I’m going to need a debt collector in =California. Cananyone subject a good Company to deal with? Hopefully a California list =membermight be able to find someone in Yellow Pages telephone =directory. Good wishes to all, John Cooper from horsesho@ptd.net Thu Jan 10 05:50:35 2002 g0ABoZW08449 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:50:35 - (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4179. . Clean. Processed in 4.077882 secs); 10 Jan 200211:50:34 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: rodmakers URL Would someone please send me the URL for this lists homepage? Thanks,Marty from RMargiotta@aol.com Thu Jan 10 06:44:02 2002 g0ACi1W09171 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:44:01 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:43:49 - Subject: Wrap Finishing: Rotating vs. Hanging I've been rotating the rod while the varnish on the wraps dry. Can I skip this step and just hang the sections instead? Will the varnish run, especially long- drying spar? --Rich from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Thu Jan 10 07:02:09 2002 g0AD27W09628 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:02:08 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:02:07 - Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Tom, It must be the 10 gallon batches that you save money on. I brew all grain also, but only in the 5 gallon batches. After spending around $20 for the grain bill, another $4 for the hops (yeah, I'm a hop head..... ;^}), and another $2 -$3 for the yeast, it's costing me about $13 a case. But I guess it is a money savings, considering a case of Sierra Nevada Celebration ale is around $40........ Mark At 09:05 PM 1/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: Kyle, try all grain, after about $200 in parts (and a couple of favors), it costsme $25 per 10 gallon batch, that's about $6.25 per case! This is one hobbythat I actually save money at. Plus I when I brew it (in the garage), Imake a half a dozen sets of ferrules. tom ----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 2:21 PMSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Just like with homebrewing... lets see, $30 in malt/hops/yeast to make a5 gallon batch and with imports at $2+ a bottle, hmmmmm, not counting the$4,762 I have invested in equipment thats a savings of $0.67+ per bottle! In a message dated Wed, 9 Jan 2002 2:07:19 PM Eastern StandardTime, "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" writes: Savings???? She bought that!!!! WOW, you're good. tom----- Original Message -----From: Miller, Troy Cc: Rodmakers Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:01 PMSubject: RE: Tops from an instrument maker At this point, I have been very much the customer. I thought I was supposed to save money making these things. Rachel is still waiting for the savings to start showing up. Good thing she's even more patient than I am.... : ) TAM-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:05 AM Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker It sucks not being the customer....tom from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Thu Jan 10 07:09:12 2002 g0AD9BW09919 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:09:11 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:09 - Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Tony, The all grains relate to the control freaks in us. I really like the control I have over my mash from the time I buy the grain, (to be a real control freak, you'd buy unmalted grain, malt it then toast it to the correct Lovibond) to the time,method and temperature of my sparge. Beinga tinkerer like most of us here, I've built most of my homebrew equipment, including my propane burner setup ( 200,000 btu down to a candle sized flame, will bring 5 gallons of water to a boil in about 15 minutes without burning through the pot like many of those jet burners seem to want to do. Besides, the hassle is just like rod building. If I didn't want the hassle, I'd head down to the local package store and buy me a case of Bud....... Not! Mark At 12:05 PM 1/10/2002 +0800, you wrote: You guys should look at an Aussie brew kit and use the malt and malt enhancers. I'd rather drink what I make than the best I can buy here and that includes James Boag and Crown Larger etc. I wont comment on Fosters except to say it *may* rate as a good wash to clean everything up after a brew is bottled provided I can get rid of the flavor.I've made all grain beers, making the mash etc but at the risk of sounding like a philistine I didn't think it was that much better for the hassle. Tony from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Thu Jan 10 07:13:42 2002 g0ADDfW10188 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:13:41 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:13:38 - Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker At 12:31 AM 1/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: Tom, This bamboo rodmaking is just like HB, you can make it as simple and cheapasyou want, or you can make is complicated and $$ as you want. I started theHB thing just like most with hopped DME kits, enamel kettles, dry yeast,etc.Then it evolved in to 3 kettle gas fired RIMS and all grain, stainlesstemperature controlled fermentation, stir plates, yeast plating and cell counting, CO2 kegs, a beer fidge that holds 6 kegs, and on and on and on andon... I got the same damn think going with boo, I am almost finished with my firstrod, now I want to make quad forms so I can make a quad for rod #2, and itbothers me that the MHM is sitting out there because I probably won't besatisfied one day without it, and it goes on and on and on and on.... I had an idea for a special "Rodmakers" brew, actually Troy sparked the Possibly an amber ale with toasted bamboo shavings tossed in the kettleforthe last 15' of the boil. Could be toxic, I guess I'll just have to drink itand see what happens. Kyle, Try throwing a handful of cork rings in the dry hop bag instead. Or, to spice it up, substitute a couple of cork burl rings for a few regular cork rings....... Mark from channer@frontier.net Thu Jan 10 07:19:52 2002 g0ADJpW10593 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:19:51 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:19:53 - Subject: Re: Wrap Finishing: Rotating vs. Hanging Rich;I don't own anything to turn a rod with, except my hand. I just hang emand let em be, but don't just glom the varnish on.john RMargiotta@aol.com wrote: I've been rotating the rod while the varnish on the wraps dry. Can I skipthis step and just hang the sections instead? Will the varnish run,especially long- drying spar? --Rich from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 07:48:17 2002 g0ADmFW11290 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:48:16 - Subject: notes from a hop head On the face of it, it *may* seem like a lot of trouble to get a decent drink but after sampling what is offered at the bars in your neck of the woods *nothing* is too much trouble. Keep up the good work. Tony At 08:02 AM 1/10/02 -0500, Mark Wendt wrote: Tom, It must be the 10 gallon batches that you save money on. I brew all grain also, but only in the 5 gallon batches. After spending around $20 for the grain bill, another $4 for the hops (yeah, I'm a hop head..... ;^}), and another $2 -$3 for the yeast, it's costing me about $13 a case. But I guess it is a money savings, considering a case of Sierra Nevada Celebration ale is around $40........ Mark /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 07:54:27 2002 g0ADsLW11669 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:54:21 - Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker We are blessed with more decent beers you can point a stick at here and there are probably hundreds of various malt kits and enhancers and combinations thereof so we are pretty lucky. The time I messed with mash etc I admit the beer had a better after taste. Kit malt does have a certain flavor you don't seem to be able to rid though you stop noticing it after a few bottles and I don't mean one after the other necessarily [:-)] It's an interesting hobby though, that's for sure. Tony At 08:09 AM 1/10/02 -0500, Mark Wendt wrote: Tony, The all grains relate to the control freaks in us. I really like the control I have over my mash from the time I buy the grain, (to be a real control freak, you'd buy unmalted grain, malt it then toast it to the correct Lovibond) to the time,method and temperature of my sparge. Being a tinkerer like most of us here, I've built most of my homebrew equipment, including my propane burner setup ( 200,000 btudown to a candle sized flame, will bring 5 gallons of water to a boil in about 15 minutes without burning through the pot like many of those jet burners seem to want to do. Besides, the hassle is just like rod building. If I didn't want the hassle, I'd head down to the local package store and buy me a case of Bud....... Not! Mark At 12:05 PM 1/10/2002 +0800, you wrote: You guys should look at an Aussie brew kit and use the malt and malt enhancers. I'd rather drink what I make than the best I can buy here and that includes James Boag and Crown Larger etc. I wont comment onFosters except to say it *may* rate as a good wash to clean everything up after a brew is bottled provided I can get rid of the flavor.I've made all grain beers, making the mash etc but at the risk of sounding like a philistine I didn't think it was that much better for the hassle. Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from KyleDruey@aol.com Thu Jan 10 08:00:27 2002 g0AE0QW12013 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:00:27 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:00:17 - Subject: Turning Ferrule Stations with Hand Drill List, I've been able to rig up an electric drill for shaping cork grips. It works fairly well, and I have decent control over the speed using a motor speed controller. Is anyone using a similar setup to turn ferrule stations? Seems like it could be done, but I would rather learn from someone else's mistakes before I try this. Or, should I just forget it and do it all by hand with a file and sandpaper? Thanks, you guys are the best, Kyle from bluefin_1999@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 08:15:24 2002 g0AEFOW12662 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:15:24 - 10 Jan 2002 06:15:18 PST Subject: Need steelhead taper Does anyone have a taper that would work under theworst conditions possible and not kill you? Lots ofwind, shooting head, long days on the water casting.Something that won't kill me at the end of the day. TIA BF __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 08:20:03 2002 g0AEK2W13254 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:20:02 - 10 Jan 2002 06:20:02 PST Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker I had an idea for a special "Rodmakers" brew,actually Troy sparked the idea. Possibly an amber ale with toasted bamboo shavingstossed in the kettle for the last 15' of the boil. Could be toxic, I guessI'll just have to drink it and see what happens. Kyle kyle, there is the two hearted ale from bell's inkalamazoo....and oberon in the summer time.i will tip a glass of "boo-brew" with you tho'. "here's to the pure life!" timothy ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from boyko@peoplepc.com Thu Jan 10 08:21:08 2002 g0AEL7W13503 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:21:07 - -0800 Subject: malt -beer etc etc Hey guys: if you want to make your beer perhaps try a beer web site. =Better yet don't be so dam tight and just buy Miller MGD beer, or Miller =Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the six pack, tweleve pack, by =the case or what ever your heart desires. It has the most beautiful =collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your glass, sit back =and watch the beautiful bubbles rise to the top. Enjoy as may as you =want and save your hard earned money for making bamboo rods. Oh yes, =when you buy your Miller MGD, buy in the Long Neck bottles, it just adds = Miller MGD beer, or Miller Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the = beautiful collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your glass, = buy your Miller MGD, buy in the Long Neck bottles, it just adds = it....Lew from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Thu Jan 10 08:38:17 2002 g0AEcGW14596 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:38:17 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:38:13 - Subject: Re: malt -beer etc etc homebrew club.......mark At 08:40 AM 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote:Hey beer, or Miller Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the six pack, the most beautiful collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your Enjoy as may as you want and save your hard earned money for making Neck bottles, it just adds something to it....Lew from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 10 08:38:29 2002 g0AEcTW14627 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:38:29 -0600 helo=default) id 16OgLW-00007U-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:38:23 -0500 Subject: Re: malt -beer etc etc Uuh, Lew . . . what do we do about the taste? }B^)> M-D Hey guys: if you want to make your beer perhaps try a beer web site. =Better yet don't be so dam tight and just buy Miller MGD beer, or Miller =Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the six pack, tweleve pack, by =the case or what ever your heart desires. It has the most beautiful =collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your glass, sit back =and watch the beautiful bubbles rise to the top. Enjoy as may as you =want and save your hard earned money for making bamboo rods. Oh yes, =when you buy your Miller MGD, buy in the Long Neck bottles, it just adds = Uuh, Lew . . . what dowe = M-D buy Miller MGD beer, or Miller Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in = the most beautiful collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in = as may as you want and save your hard earned money for making from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 10 08:45:09 2002 g0AEj8W15431 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:45:08 -0600 helo=default) id 16OgS1-0003e0-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:45:06 -0500 Subject: Re: malt -beer etc etc Yes, and the horse needs its kidneys checked. M-D Ewwwwww, drink the commercial swill? We call it p*ss water at the =homebrew club....... mark At 08:40 AM 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hey guys: if you want to make your beer perhaps try a beer web =site. Better yet don't be so dam tight and just buy Miller MGD beer, or =Miller Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the six pack, tweleve =pack, by the case or what ever your heart desires. It has the most =beautiful collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your glass, =sit back and watch the beautiful bubbles rise to the top. Enjoy as may =as you want and save your hard earned money for making bamboo rods. Oh =yes, when you buy your Miller MGD, buy in the Long Neck bottles, it just = Yes, and the horseneeds = checked. M-D Mark Wendt club.......markAt 08:40 AM 1/10/2002 -0800,you =wrote: Better yet don't be so dam tight and just buy Miller MGD beer, or = Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the six pack, tweleve pack, = collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your glass, sit = something to it....Lew = from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Thu Jan 10 08:46:19 2002 g0AEkIW15622 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:46:18 - Subject: RE: malt -beer etc etc Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools p*ss water is being polite! -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: malt -beer etc etc Ewwwwww, drink the commercial swill? We call it p*ss water at thehomebrew club....... mark At 08:40 AM 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hey guys: if you want to make your beer perhaps try a beer web site.Better yet don't be so dam tight and just buy Miller MGD beer, or MillerGenuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the six pack, tweleve pack, bythe case or what ever your heart desires. It has the most beautifulcollor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your glass, sit backand watch the beautiful bubbles rise to the top. Enjoy as may as youwant and save your hard earned money for making bamboo rods. Oh yes,when you buy your Miller MGD, buy in the Long Neck bottles, it just addssomething to it....Lew Message -----Original Message----- owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu = On Behalf Of Mark WendtSent: Thursday, January10, = Re: = etc etcEwwwwww, drink the commercial it p*ss water at the homebrew club.......markAt = 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: Better yet don't be so dam tight and just buy Miller MGD beer, or = Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the six pack, tweleve pack, = collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your glass, sit = something to it....Lew = from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Thu Jan 10 09:02:37 2002 g0AF2aW16660 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:02:36 - Subject: Re: malt -beer etc etc I realize that for the non-brewers in the audience this thread is =getting old, so this will be my last addition: Lew,I admit, in the glass it is a beautiful thing, but there is no way I can =enjoy that stuff. ; )tom Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:40 AMSubject: malt -beer etc etc Hey guys: if you want to make your beer perhaps try a beer web site. =Better yet don't be so dam tight and just buy Miller MGD beer, or Miller =Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the six pack, tweleve pack, by =the case or what ever your heart desires. It has the most beautiful =collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your glass, sit back =and watch the beautiful bubbles rise to the top. Enjoy as may as you =want and save your hard earned money for making bamboo rods. Oh yes, =when you buy your Miller MGD, buy in the Long Neck bottles, it just adds = I realize that for the non-brewers in the audience = is getting old, so this will be my last addition: Lew,I admit, in the glass it is a beautiful thing, but = tom ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, January 10, = AMSubject: malt -beer etc =etc buy Miller MGD beer, or Miller Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in = the most beautiful collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in = as may as you want and save your hard earned money for making from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Thu Jan 10 09:06:00 2002 g0AF5xW17056 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:05:59 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:05:58 - Subject: RE: malt -beer etc etc I was trying hard....... mark At 09:47 AM 1/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:p*ss water is being polite! -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu On Behalf Of Mark WendtSent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: Re: malt -beer etc etc the homebrew club....... mark At 08:40 AM 1/10/2002 -0800, youwrote: beer, or Miller Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the six pack, the most beautiful collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your Enjoy as may as you want and save your hard earned money for making Neck bottles, it just adds something to it....Lew from mbiondo@wuacn.wustl.edu Thu Jan 10 09:11:04 2002 g0AFB3W17561 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:11:03 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:11:03 - Organization: Washington University in St. Louis Subject: Homebrew With all you homebrewers popping out of the woodwork, we need to startworking on you guys to bring some your samplings to the some of the variousRodmaker Gatherings (see...there is a bit of requisite Rodmaking content [:-)] The 5gallon keg I bring to SRG and Grayrock just disappears too fast!!! [;-)] Fortunately at SRG, the supply is usually supplemented by a case of prettygood commercial stout supplied by M-D... :-))) Mike BiondoSt. Louis, MO from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 10 09:22:52 2002 g0AFMpW18301 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:22:51 -0600 helo=default) id 16Oh2Y-0000Dm-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:22:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Homebrew I wondered how long the Listmeister could remain silent on the subject ofbrewing.Most of you guys have no idea the great quality brew that Mike brings to thegatherings. Even the Beer Philistines drink up Mike's offering, which is whyit goes so fast. It seems a shame to waste such good tonic on thoseunrefined palates, but hey, maybe they learn a thing or two besidesrodmaking, and in the process develop those palates. ;o) M-D With all you homebrewers popping out of the woodwork, we need to start working on you guys to bring some your samplings to the some of the various Rodmaker Gatherings (see...there is a bit of requisite Rodmaking content [:-)] The 5 gallon keg I bring to SRG and Grayrock just disappears too fast!!! [;-)] Fortunately at SRG, the supply is usually supplemented by a case of pretty good commercial stout supplied by M-D... :-))) Mike BiondoSt. Louis, MO from rcurry@ttlc.net Thu Jan 10 09:49:18 2002 g0AFnIW19734 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:49:18 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Homebrew On behalf of the unregenerate Beer Philistines, as well as the Wine Visigoths, and the Scotch Picts, I would like to say that our harsh palates are beyond redemption. Two years ago Tony Young brought me a bottle of Australia's finest wine which I proceeded to gulp down "like I was drinking Plonk" ("Plonk" is probably the Aussie description of Thunderbird). Don't waste your fine spirits on us...we are beyond the pale (Ale). Just bring the rods for tasting.Sadly barbaric,Reed Jojo DeLancier wrote: I wondered how long the Listmeister could remain silent on the subject ofbrewing.Most of you guys have no idea the great quality brew that Mike brings tothegatherings. Even the Beer Philistines drink up Mike's offering, which is whyit goes so fast. It seems a shame to waste such good tonic on thoseunrefined palates, but hey, maybe they learn a thing or two besidesrodmaking, and in the process develop those palates. ;o) M-D From: "Mike Biondo" With all you homebrewers popping out of the woodwork, we need to start working on you guys to bring some your samplings to the some of the various Rodmaker Gatherings (see...there is a bit of requisite Rodmaking content [:-)] The 5 gallon keg I bring to SRG and Grayrock just disappears too fast!!! [;-)] Fortunately at SRG, the supply is usually supplemented by a case of pretty good commercial stout supplied by M-D... :-))) Mike BiondoSt. Louis, MO . -- Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ >Fromflytyr@southshore.com Thu Jan 10 09:49:52 2002 Received: from g0AFnpW19822 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 0600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10Jan 2002 09:46:50 -0600 From: Tony Spezio X- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Kyle, I have done close to 50sets of ferrules by hand and had good luck on all of them. I had no bad ones.First measure the depth of the ferrule and mark that on the blank. Next,mark the depth of the tabs on the blank from the ferrule end mark. Fromthe tab mark to the end of the blank is where bamboo is removed. I used asingle edge razor blade as a scraper. Lay the blank on a flat surface. Turnthe blank so that one apex is facing up. Scrape that apex about five scrapes from the tab mark to the end of the blank. Do this on the other five apexes.Try the ferrule for fit, continue this till the ferrule starts to fit. When thetabs start to fit, rotate the ferrule on the blank. The tabs will act like apencil sharpener and remove small amounts of bamboo. It it starts runningtight, repeat the scraping with the razor. The important thing is to takeequal scrapes all around. As you rotate the ferrule on the blank for fit,remove it you will see the high spots show up. Just scrape the high spots.This may sound complicated but it is not. I was fitting a set of ferrules inless than 1/2 hour. I just recently got a set of ferrule cutters from DaveLeClair, with Dave's cutters, it is short work now. No financial interest and allthat stuff. Hope the helps. Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com KyleDruey@aol.comwrote: List, I've been able to rig up an electric drill for shaping cork grips. Itworks fairly well, and I have decent control over the speed using a motorspeed controller. Is anyone using a similar setup to turn ferrule stations?Seems like it could be done, but I would rather learn from someone else'smistakes before I try this. Or, should I just forget it and do it all by handwith a file and sandpaper? Thanks, you guys are the best, Kyle from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 09:54:12 2002 g0AFsAW20367 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:54:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Homebrew It's not just beer philistines there are some wine ones too. I carted a couple of bottles of some pretty damn nice Taylors and Penfold reds all over the US just to have at Greyling.The food was good. A chilli spaghetti from memory.If I recall correctly most of ALL the wine wound up on the picnic table, some was dunk (very little) and some was *gulped* probably while holding one's breath.You know who you are out there so I wont name names but I hope you have serious regrets about what happened that day.To rub salt into the wound I was presented with a bottle of strawberry "wine" by way of returning the thought.Does anybody know what happened to that bottle of strawberry "wine"? I imagine somebody needed to strip some paint or degrease their engine and it came in handy.What bothers me is it was probably the only wine to actually get drunk!!! Tony At 09:22 AM 1/10/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: I wondered how long the Listmeister could remain silent on the subject ofbrewing.Most of you guys have no idea the great quality brew that Mike brings tothegatherings. Even the Beer Philistines drink up Mike's offering, which is whyit goes so fast. It seems a shame to waste such good tonic on thoseunrefined palates, but hey, maybe they learn a thing or two besidesrodmaking, and in the process develop those palates. ;o) M-D /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 09:57:33 2002 g0AFvVW20738 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:57:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Homebrew Funny you mention that Reed, we must have been writing of that event atthe same moment.Plonk is about as bad as it gets though maybe strawberry wine needsanother term?? Tony At 10:51 AM 1/10/02 -0500, Reed Curry wrote: On behalf of the unregenerate Beer Philistines, as well as the Wine Visigoths, and the Scotch Picts, I would like to say that our harsh palates are beyond redemption. Two years ago Tony Young brought me a bottle of Australia's finest wine which I proceeded to gulp down "like I was drinking Plonk" ("Plonk" is probably the Aussie description of Thunderbird).Don't waste your fine spirits on us...we are beyond the pale (Ale). Just bring the rods for tasting.Sadly barbaric,Reed /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Thu Jan 10 09:57:47 2002 g0AFvkW20834 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:57:46 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:57:42 - Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Claude, Yep, that be the place. I used to live up in N. Calififi, up in Mendocino County. The Hopland Brewery, located in of all places, Hopland, CA makes a mighty fine hoppy ale called Red Tail Ale, along with a few other ones. The last time I got a sixer of SNCA here in Maryland, it was about $9.99. I really enjoyed taking tours of the Sierra Nevada brewery. The sampling at the end was jush abit of fun. Honnesh, ossifer, I only had two beers....... mark At 10:19 AM 1/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 8:02 AM -0500 on 1/10/02, Mark Wendt wrote about Re: Tops from an instrument maker Tom, It must be the 10 gallon batches that you save money on. I brew all grain also, but only in the 5 gallon batches. After spending around $20 for the grain bill, another $4 for the hops (yeah, I'm a hop head..... ;^}), and another $2 -$3 for the yeast, it's costing me about $13 a case. But I guess it is a money savings, considering a case of Sierra Nevada Celebration ale is around $40........ I was just out in Calif. during the holidays...cost for SNCA averaged $6.49/6pack. Mark, where are you located? I notice NRL in your email address - is that the NRL just South of DC along I-295? Claude from rcurry@ttlc.net Thu Jan 10 10:02:17 2002 g0AG2GW21438 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:02:16 - User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Homebrew Ah, the guilt still burns within...mea gulpa, mea gulpa Tony Young wrote: Funny you mention that Reed, we must have been writing of that event at the same moment.Plonk is about as bad as it gets though maybe strawberry wine needs another term?? Tony Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 10 10:04:00 2002 g0AG3wW21706 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:03:58 - Subject: Re: Homebrew You a gulpa maxima! And you hold your nose [:-)] Tony At 11:04 AM 1/10/02 -0500, Reed Curry wrote: Ah, the guilt still burns within...mea gulpa, mea gulpa Tony Young wrote: Funny you mention that Reed, we must have been writing of that event at the same moment.Plonk is about as bad as it gets though maybe strawberry wine needs another term??Tony Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Thu Jan 10 10:05:43 2002 g0AG5gW21975 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:05:43 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:02:47 -0600 pri.pacificare.com UT (Tumbleweed ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:05:41 -0800 Subject: RE: Darryl Hayashida Sorry to bother the list with this.John,I thought you said a quad blank would settle everything. My Morgan handmillis down right now awaiting parts. If you doubt this please contact TomMorgan at rodsmiths@imt.net. I have no other way to make quad blanks. Ifyoudon't want a quad blank I will send the Malloch back to you tomorrow.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:41 AM Subject: Darryl Hayashida Hi EveryoneIt's a while since I've been on the list. Looking forward to picking upold threads.A couple of things which I hope a member can help me with.1. I'm struggling to get an answer from DarrylHayashida's old email address. Can anyone give me a new contact email?2. I'm going to need a debt collector in California. Cananyone subject a good Company to deal with? Hopefully a California listmember might be able to find someone in Yellow Pages telephone directory.Good wishes to all,John Cooper This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from KyleDruey@aol.com Thu Jan 10 10:16:10 2002 g0AGG8W22925 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:16:09 -0600 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:15:55 -0500 MAILINID610-0110111555; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:15:55 -0500 Subject: Re: malt -beer etc etc Whoa Nellie, easy there [:)] Beer and bamboo fly rods are the same in the sense that one man's junk isanother man's treasure... just give me a parabolic doppelbock and I'll behappy. Kyle In a message dated Thu, 10 Jan 2002 9:45:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,"Jojo DeLancier" writes: Yes, and the horse needs its kidneys checked. M-D From: Mark Wendt Ewwwwww, drink the commercial swill? We call it p*ss water at the homebrew club....... mark At 08:40 AM 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hey guys: if you want to make your beer perhaps try a beer web site. Better yet don't be so dam tight and just buy Miller MGD beer, or Miller Genuine Draft Beer, and you can buy in the six pack, tweleve pack, by the case or what ever your heart desires. It has the most beautiful collor, rich golden brown, and as you pour it in your glass, sit back and watch the beautiful bubbles rise to the top. Enjoy as may as you want and save your hard earned money for making bamboo rods. Oh yes, when you buy your Miller MGD, buy in the Long Neck bottles, it just adds something to it....Lew from homeydklown@att.net Thu Jan 10 10:17:14 2002 g0AGHDW23076 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:17:13 - ;Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:17:08 +0000 Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:17:07 +0000 Subject: Re: Homebrew Mike, You need to attend the Northeast gathering. I usually bring a pretty decent bottle of scotch. Dennis With all you homebrewers popping out of the woodwork, we need to startworking on you guys to bring some your samplings to the some of the variousRodmaker Gatherings (see...there is a bit of requisite Rodmaking content [:-)] > The 5 gallon keg I bring to SRG and Grayrock just disappears too fast!!! [;-)] Fortunately at SRG, the supply is usually supplemented by a case of prettygood commercial stout supplied by M-D... :-))) Mike BiondoSt. Louis, MO from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 10 10:32:20 2002 g0AGWJW24272 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:32:19 - IAA29744; IAA08335; g0AGV2W11286; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:30:57 -0800 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: The Occassional - Face Plant nice to see you back, I for one hope it's back for good. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: The Occassional - Face Plant New Years Day I snowboarded for the first time ever - the new term thatI came away from that day with was - Face Plant - those times when thingsdon't go as you see in the videos - well in reading the discussions of the'Who's the Greatest' - I appreciate the support - but I feel that othersare more deserving - reason being that as with other facets of life - I havedone my share of Face Plants as you could call them.Well - just as I fell trying out snowboarding - because of the lack ofinsight and training - Over the past couple years I have greatly hurt somelong term friendships - and perhaps destroyed them - and I was days away from being single again. Somehow I had lost that magical person that many ofyou knew - But because of the good friends that I have - I was shown that Ihad made some real mistakes - aka Face Plants - and since then I havelearned to 'Chill Out' as my good friend calls it - So I have disappeared owns me yet - I am sure many of you can relate to that - and then there isthis Butterfly that I am helping to nurture - a very important part of lifeas well.So who is the Greatest - only time will sort that out - But as BobHoekstra and I shared one time - we won't be here to know - so does itreally matter - I remember reading this Peanuts thing one time - CharlieBrown was the image and the caption went something like this - Working hereis like peeing your pants with a dark suit on - You get this warm feelingbut no one notices - I guess I subscribe to that in a way - The list - aswell as today's rodmaking in general reflects some tremendous talentpackaged in folks that by character are quiet people - not necessarilylooking to be in the spotlight but rather get pleasure in sharing withothers as they can.Perhaps it is passion that drives some of us - I see it in others aroundme and always admire it - the dedication - I suspect that is what has madeTTBBBQ so successful is that it either started with a group of passionatefolks or those under the influence of fine and rare - yet endangered SingleMalt - from that I have always admired the artist that have helped with theprints for the tickets - one of those is Larry Cory - for those that haven'theard it yet - I need to share I now have a Larry Cory original - I haveattacked a jpg of the image . . . . . . .and yes - the 'canvas' is the backof my right hand . . . . . . from mcanultj@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu Thu Jan 10 10:41:16 2002 g0AGfFW25048 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:41:15 - 743.svm.vetmed.wisc.edu) , "Bob Nunley" ,, Subject: Re: Hazards Or just "Survivor" At 12:07 PM 1/10/2002 +0800, Tony Young wrote: You know, I've been thinking about the web cam thing. It could be called "Nunley Cam In The House Of Pain". Comments? Tony At 06:41 PM 1/10/02 -0500, Jeff Schaeffer wrote: I personally have never seen Bob fall, but did get to see him sink out ofsight.As with his other actions, he did it with grace and style. Jeff /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Thu Jan 10 11:04:23 2002 g0AH4MW26920 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:04:22 -0600 Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:03:41 -0700 0700 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:04:15 -0700 , Subject: RE: question about snakebrand guides FILETIME=[C1675B80:01C199F8] g0AH4MW26921 All, received my latest order from Snake yesterday. Mike said I it would takeawhile and it did. I like blued agate strippers and Mike seems to like blueingthem more or less as needed. They usually arrive in 2 wks. This latest orderwas several weeks over due. I'm assuming because of a down machine. Thequality and ease with which the guides wrap, right out of the box, is worththe wait for me. And besides, the McCoys are the nicest people you couldever hope to meet. I really hope nobody gets miffed and decides to changebrands over an anomalous delay. The people and the product are the best. Sincerely,Jim "Bob Maulucci" 01/09/02 05:13PM >>> Guys:I am too awaiting an order. I had to order a small bunch of Snake Brandguides from Russ at Golden Witch last month. I had used up my old stock ofSnake Brand guides from the group order the list ran two years ago. Theguides are different now, and the newer Snake Brand guides are even better.Nicer profile on the feet. I am very impressed. They are worth the wait.Best regards,Bob -----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of timothy troester Subject: Re: question about snakebrand guides al and everyone else involved, i talked to the mccoysmonday there was a machine breakdown and will ship in2wks. they were very embarrassed about this. i offeredencouragement as i was able. i think the guides areworth waiting for. i hope no one is going to beinconvienianced. i will get them out as soon as ireceive them. timothy --- al spicer wrote: Timothy, How do things stand with the snakebrand guidesorder?I'm curious only because I have 3 blanks to starton. Thanks, Al __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > from KlingB@health.missouri.edu ThuJan 10 11:30:26 2002 [161.130.112.185] (may be forged)) g0AHUQW28622 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:30:26 - (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:30:25 -0600 Subject: RE: more detail on tip problem this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. It=92s like I said to my boss the other day, I don=92t make the same =mistaketwice, I make a new and different one each time. So far I still have myjob=85. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Every time I think I've screwed up every way possible, I invent a new =one. Imust be a genius!Steve I must be learning a lot.-----Original Message----- [ ]On Behalf Of Steven A. Weiss Subject: Re: more detail on tip problem Dennis,It's just one section, and not even finished! It's just a piece of =bamboo,not neuro surgery on your first-born child. This is called paying your =dues. If you don't f**k up once in a while, you aren't going to learn!Steve 0DocumentEmail I=t=92s likeI said to my boss the other day, I don=92t make the same mistake twice, =I make a newand different one each time. So far I still have my =job=85. -----OriginalMessage-----From: Steven A. Weiss Sent: Tuesday, January =08, 20026:26 PM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: more detail =on tipproblem Everytime I think I've screwed up every way possible, I invent a new one. I =must bea genius! Steve= I must be learning a lot. -----OriginalMessage-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.=wustl.edu rodmakers@=wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Steven A. WeissSent: Tuesday, January =08, 20025:33 PM Subject: Re: more detail =on tipproblem Dennis, It'sjust one section, and not even finished! It's just a piece of bamboo, =not neurosurgery on your first-born child. This is called paying your dues. = If youdon't f**k up once in a while, you aren't going to =learn!= Steve= from goodaple@cox-internet.com Thu Jan 10 11:33:10 2002 g0AHXAW28927 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:33:10 -0600 (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 licensedd72657b95c070b1853187e4f5a0d6a7) Subject: Vacuum pump Does anyone know how to convert an aquarium air pump to create a vacuum?=I have heard of this being done but can't recall the specifics. Thanks, =Randall G. NW AR. Does anyone know how to convert can't recall the specifics. Thanks, Randall G. NW =AR. from caneman@clnk.com Thu Jan 10 13:45:31 2002 g0AJjVW05617 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:45:31 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:08:22 -0600 Subject: Fw: Homebrew I'll vouch for Mike's Brew... I'm a large part of the reason it disappearedquickly. Hell, I even rinsed out a coke can and drew the beer into it, inan attempt to be covert... but i think our List Minister caught onto mepretty quick!Down here... in the land of folks with few teeth, and family trees withno branches, we just put a couple of quarts of malt with 10 pounds of sugarin a 5 gallon ceramic crock with a little yeast, fill it with water, tape atrash bag over thetop and when the trash bag inflates, then deflates (usually about 2 weeks at72Ÿ) it's time to bottle (Old recipe from a gentleman older than time thatonce lived up in the mountains close to NO towns). Not the best I've everhad, not even close to Mike Biondo's, but it's better than a sharp stick inthe eye and it beats the hell out of most of what you can buy at the localPackage Store! Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Mike Biondo" Subject: Homebrew With all you homebrewers popping out of the woodwork, we need to startworking on you guys to bring some your samplings to the some of the various RodmakerGatherings (see...there is a bit of requisite Rodmaking content [:- )] The 5 gallon keg I bring to SRG and Grayrock just disappears too fast!!![;-)] Fortunately at SRG, the supply is usually supplemented by a case ofprettygoodcommercial stout supplied by M-D... :-))) Mike Biondo from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Thu Jan 10 14:52:16 2002 g0AKqFW08840 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:52:15 - Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:52:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Homebrew You guys are killing me! I only got to "smell" Mike's homebrew at SRG sincethe doctor put me on medication a month before the event that prevents me from drinking. I tried to tell the doctor that beer was my life, evenshowed him my Beer Judge Certification Program card but he wouldn't listen.I'm never going to tell him that I work with bamboo, he's got too much of amean streak for a doctor and liable to come up with some other goofyprescription. TimThey always talked about my drinking, but never my thirst. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Fw: Homebrew I'll vouch for Mike's Brew... I'm a large part of the reason it disappeared quickly. Hell, I even rinsed out a coke can and drew the beer into it, inan attempt to be covert... but i think our List Minister caught onto mepretty quick!Down here... in the land of folks with few teeth, and family trees with no branches, we just put a couple of quarts of malt with 10 pounds of sugar in a 5 gallon ceramic crock with a little yeast, fill it with water, tape a trash bag over thetop and when the trash bag inflates, then deflates (usually about 2 weeks at 72Ÿ) it's time to bottle (Old recipe from a gentleman older than time thatonce lived up in the mountains close to NO towns). Not the best I've everhad, not even close to Mike Biondo's, but it's better than a sharp stick in the eye and it beats the hell out of most of what you can buy at the localPackage Store! Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Mike Biondo" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:11 AMSubject: Homebrew With all you homebrewers popping out of the woodwork, we need to startworking on you guys to bring some your samplings to the some of the various RodmakerGatherings (see...there is a bit of requisite Rodmaking content [:- )] The 5 gallon keg I bring to SRG and Grayrock just disappears too fast!!! [;-)] Fortunately at SRG, the supply is usually supplemented by a case ofprettygoodcommercial stout supplied by M-D... :-))) Mike Biondo from boyko@peoplepc.com Thu Jan 10 15:53:03 2002 g0ALr2W12458 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:53:03 - -0800 Subject: Brew Okay, Okay, I have hasd enoughj...I dont want you guys to think that I =would not drink your home brew if you offered it to me, I just thought =buy buy MGD you could spent more time with the bamboo making. If I get =a chance to get to one of these outings, I would love to samle each and =every one of these brews. I am always willing to learn something new. = purchased, had it years ago and was it goood. I always wanted to get =into making my own brew, but just never got the time. dont be to hard on =me, I just really like MGD, for the time being anyway..Lew Okay, Okay, I have hasd enoughj...I = guys to think that I would not drink your home brew if you offered it to = just thought buy buy MGD you could spent more time with the bamboo = If I get a chance to get to one of these outings, I would love to samle = making my own brew, but just never got the time. dont be to hard on me, = really like MGD, for the time being =anyway..Lew from boyko@peoplepc.com Thu Jan 10 16:00:50 2002 g0AM0nW13164 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:00:49 - -0800 Subject: bamboo 4t I am just about ready to start building my first bamboo rod, and need =some help. I really like it to be a 4 wt. so am asking for any =suggestions as to which are the best bamboo rods in 4 wt we know of. =Now gthe the questions, fishing the rivers of Northern Minnesota and =Western Wis, and yes we do have our windy days. thanks Lew =boyko@proplepc.com I am just about ready to start building = so am asking for any suggestions as to which are the best bamboo rods in = from JNL123141@msn.com Thu Jan 10 16:02:05 2002 g0AM24W13355 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:02:04 - Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:01:59 -0800 Subject: Fw: Fw: Pilots vs Air Control FILETIME=[6D0F7660:01C19A22] This is off topic but it is from a buddy of mine who is a NW captain and=its pretty good stuff. Hope the attachment carries thru... John ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Fw: Fw: Pilots vs Air Control ----- Original Message ----- DWTomlinson@email.msn.comSubject: Fwd: Fw: Pilots vs Air Control is =off topic but it is from a buddy of mine who is a NW captain and its pret=  = Bothwell; Ted Kubit Cc:jnl=123141@msn.com Subject:Fw: = = ----- Original Message ----- From: FL=YRODBUSDRIVER@cs.com Sent: T= DWTomlinson@email.msn.=com Subject: Fwd: Fw:Pilots=vs Air Control Control.email" Control.email" Full-name: Pattyjenkins1914 Subject: Fwd: Fw: Pilots vs Air Control ndary" [172.20.105.71= 0104230345;=Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:03:45 -0500 [24.131.= 0104=230341; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:03:41 -0500 [68.41= g0543pE09330; ,"linda mcphee" ,"linda jacobs" , "Kathy Hug" ,"ken shaw" ,"patty jenkins" Subject: Fw: Pilots vs Air Control -----@msn.com; Tiggrrtg@aol.com; wind@tc3net.com Subject: Re: Pilots vs Air Control Perhaps a repeat, but cute to read again... Conversations that passengers normally don't hear. The following are accounts of actual exchanges betweenairlinepilotsandcontrol towers from around the world: While taxiing the crew of a US Air flight departing forFt.Lauderdalemade a wrong turn and came nose to nose with a United 727.Theiratefemale ground controller lashed out at the US Air crew,screaming:"USAir2771, where are you going? I told you to turn right ontoCharlietaxiway!You turned right on Delta! Stop right there. I know it'sdifficultforyou to tell the difference between C's and D's, but get itright!"Continuing her tirade to the embarrassed crew, she was nowshoutinghysterically: "God, you've screwed everything up! It'lltakeforevertosort this out! You stay right there and don't move till Itell youto!You can expect progressive taxi instructions in abouthalf an hourandIwant you to go exactly where I tell you, when I tell you,and how Itellyou!You got that, US Air 2771?""Yes ma'am," the humbled crew responded.Naturally the ground control frequency went terriblysilent aftertheverbal bashing of US Air 2771. Nobody wanted to engagethe irategroundcontroller in her current state. Tension in every cockpitat LGAwasrunning high.Then an unknown pilot broke the silence and asked, "Wasn'tImarriedtoyouonce?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The controller working a busy pattern told the 727 ondownwind tomakeathree-sixty-do a complete circle, a move normally used toprovidespacingbetween aircraft.The pilot of the 727 complained, "Don't you know it costsus twothousanddollars to make even a one-eighty in this airplane?"Without missing a beat the controller replied, "Roger,give me fourthousand dollars' worth." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A DC-10 had an exceedingly long rollout after landing withhisapproachspeed a little high.San Jose Tower: "American 751 heavy, turn right at the endof therunway, if able. If not able, take the Guadalupe exit offHighway 101andmake a right at the light to return to the airport." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It was a really nice day, right about dusk, and a PiperMalibu wasbeingvectored into a long line of airliners in order to land atKansasCity.KC Approach: "Malibu three-two Charlie, you're following a727, oneo'clock and three miles."Three- two Charlie: "We've got him. We'll follow him."KC Approach: "Delta 105, your traffic to follow is aMalibu, eleveno'clock and three miles. Do you have that traffic?"Delta 105 (in a thick southern drawl, after a long pause):"Well...I'vegot something down there. Can't quite tell if it's a Malibuor aChevelle." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~CENSORED!! lol~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tower: "Eastern 702, cleared for takeoff, contactDeparture on124.7."Eastern 702: "Tower, Eastern 702 switching to Departure. way,after we lifted off we saw some kind of dead animal on thefar end oftherunway."Tower: "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff, contactDepartureon124.7.Did you copy that report from Eastern?"Continental 635: "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff,roger; andyes,we copied Eastern and we've already notified our caterers." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The German air controllers at Frankfurt Airport are ashort- temperedlot.They not only expect one to know one's gate parkinglocation, buthowtoget there without any assistance from them. So it was withsomeamusementthat we (a Pan Am 747) listened to th! e following exchangebetweenFrankfurtground control and a British Airways 747, call sign"Speedbird206":Speedbird 206: "Top of the morning, Frankfurt, Speedbird206 clearofthe active runway."Ground: "Guten Morgen. You vill taxi to your gate."The big British Airways 747 pulled onto the main taxiwayand slowedtoastop.Ground: "Speedbird, do you not know where you are going?"Speedbird 206: "Stand by a moment, Ground, I'm looking upour gatelocation now."Ground (with arrogant impatience): "Speedbird 206, haffyou neverflownto Frankfurt before?"Speedbird 206 (coolly): Yes, I have, actually, in 1944.In anothertypeof Boeing, but just to drop something off. I didn't stop." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Censored LOL~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A Pan Am 727 flight engineer waiting for start clearancein Munichoverheard the following: Lufthansa (in German): Ground, whatis ourstartclearance time?"Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speakEnglish."Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a Germanairplane,inGermany. Why must I speak English?"Unknown voice (in a beautiful British accent): "Becauseyou lostthebloody war!" from teekay35@interlynx.net Thu Jan 10 16:17:43 2002 g0AMHhW14613 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:17:43 - Subject: Re: Need steelhead taper I have an 8' 0", #7 rod that I use for great lakes steelhead. The rod isparabolic in action and evolved from a Hardy C. C. de France. There are atleast a dozen of them in use around here and I've heard only complimentsabout its action. from dickay@alltel.net Thu Jan 10 16:26:53 2002 g0AMQqW15684 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:26:52 -0600 srv.alltel.net Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:26:50 -0600 Subject: Re: Vacuum pump Randall, Is there an inlet port on the port? Connect a hose to that. I =don't think that an aquarium pump will make a very good vacuum pump. Of =course I'm in the A/C business and we use pretty good vacuum pumps. Not =scientific grade but pretty good pumps. Air / Moisture is a big enemy =of A/C systems. You need to get it all out of the system.Dick Fuhrman Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:33 AMSubject: Vacuum pump Does anyone know how to convert an aquarium air pump to create a =vacuum? I have heard of this being done but can't recall the specifics. =Thanks, Randall G. NW AR. system.Dick Fuhrman ----- Original Message ----- Randall Gregory Sent: Thursday, January 10, = AMSubject: Vacuum pump Does anyone know how to convert AR. from bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 10 16:42:53 2002 g0AMgqW16615 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:42:52 - Subject: RE: bamboo 4t The Sir D would be a good start. I think the Driggs performs well in thewind and is a bit heavier, could throw a 5 as well. The Perfectionist is agreat all arounder, a bit heavier than you requested.Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:20 PM Subject: bamboo 4t I am just about ready to start building my first bamboo rod, and needsome help. I really like it to be a 4 wt. so am asking for any suggestionsas to which are the best bamboo rods in 4 wt we know of. Now gthe thequestions, fishing the rivers of Northern Minnesota and Western Wis, andyes we do have our windy days. thanks Lew boyko@proplepc.com would be a good start. I think the Driggs performs well in the wind and = heavier, could throw a 5 as well. The Perfectionist is a great all = bit heavier than you requested.Bob BoykoSent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:20 RodmakersSubject: bamboo 4tI am just about ready to start = wt. so am asking for any suggestions as to which are the best bamboo = Northern Minnesota and Western Wis, and yes we do have our windy days. = from rextutor@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 16:52:39 2002 g0AMqbW17283 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:52:38 - 10 Jan 2002 14:52:35 PST Subject: Re: Need steelhead taper rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Could I have the taper on the 8' 0", #7 rod ?TIA--- Ted wrote: I have an 8' 0", #7 rod that I use for great lakessteelhead. The rod isparabolic in action and evolved from a Hardy C. C.de France. There are atleast a dozen of them in use around here and I'veheard only complimentsabout its action. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 10 17:14:32 2002 g0ANEVW18236 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:14:31 - Subject: RE: Need steelhead taper Ted and Blue Fin:If that is the taper I cast at the Catskills, it really knocked me out. I amworking on getting time to make one this winter. The new Power Fibers woillhave a Jim Wilcox steelhead taper that is at the top of my list also.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Need steelhead taper I have an 8' 0", #7 rod that I use for great lakes steelhead. The rod isparabolic in action and evolved from a Hardy C. C. de France. There are atleast a dozen of them in use around here and I've heard only complimentsabout its action. from cathcreek@hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 17:30:20 2002 g0ANUJW19150 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:30:19 - Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:30:10 -0800 Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:30:09 GMT rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Need steelhead taper FILETIME=[BEBC9E50:01C19A2E] I have also built an 8ft 6wt based on the CC DeFrance and it does cast great. I haven't fish with it, but the fellow I built it for caught a blue fish off the Florida coast with it. This would be a great steelhead taper and once I am caught up, I plan to build myself one. Rob Clarke From: "Ted" Subject: Re: Need steelhead taperDate: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:15:53 -0500 I have an 8' 0", #7 rod that I use for great lakes steelhead. The rod isparabolic in action and evolved from a Hardy C. C. de France. There are atleast a dozen of them in use around here and I've heard only complimentsabout its action. _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com from teekay35@interlynx.net Thu Jan 10 17:33:12 2002 g0ANXBW19447 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:33:11 - Subject: Re: Need steelhead taper Here is the taper. Note that it is 6" centers. Some of my forms predatethe 5" centres popularized by Garrison and this list. Yes, Bob. This isthe rod you tried at Roscoe. Everyone who has tried it says they like it. 0" .0806" .10412" .12818" .14624" .16430" .18036" .19642" .21748" .230 15/64" ferrule54" .23860" .25266" .26272" .27578" .29084" .30590" .31596" .325 from cathcreek@hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 18:06:06 2002 g0B065W20995 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:06:05 - Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:05:59 -0800 Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:05:59 GMT Subject: reemers