FILETIME=[C0170BF0:01C19A33] Folks, dumb question. If I am buying reemers for ferrule making, do I need sizes beyond the sizes I am making the ferrules in? In other words, if I make a 14 ferrule, I will need a 14/64, plus the next size up or down for the other ends, right? Sorry for the question. Long day and my brain is on vacation. Rob Clarke _________________________________________________________________Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com from briansr@point-net.com Thu Jan 10 18:11:28 2002 g0B0BSW21362 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:11:28 - g0B0JAU29108; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:19:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Fw: Pilots vs Air Control Hi JohnUnfortunately your attchement didn't open.I would've enjoyed seeing =something sent from someone who drives around in an A/C painted like a =bowling shoe .Cheers Brian Hi JohnUnfortunately your attchement didn't open.I = = Cheers Brian from piscator@macatawa.org Thu Jan 10 19:11:34 2002 g0B1BXW23023 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:11:33 - "Rodmakers" Subject: Re: bamboo 4t Perfectionist. Make two tips and make one 5 wt and one 4 wt. Brian Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:42 PMSubject: RE: bamboo 4t The Sir D would be a good start. I think the Driggs performs well in =the wind and is a bit heavier, could throw a 5 as well. The =Perfectionist is a great all arounder, a bit heavier than you requested.Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu = Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:20 PM Subject: bamboo 4t I am just about ready to start building my first bamboo rod, and =need some help. I really like it to be a 4 wt. so am asking for any =suggestions as to which are the best bamboo rods in 4 wt we know of. =Now gthe the questions, fishing the rivers of Northern Minnesota and =Western Wis, and yes we do have our windy days. thanks Lew =boyko@proplepc.com = wt and one 4 wt. Brian ----- Original Message ----- Maulucci Sent: Thursday, January 10, = PMSubject: RE: bamboo 4t would be a good start. I think the Driggs performs well in the wind = bit heavier, could throw a 5 as well. The Perfectionist is a great all = arounder, a bit heavier than you requested.Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.w= = BoykoSent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:20 = RodmakersSubject: bamboo 4tI am just about ready to start = wt. so am asking for any suggestions as to which are the best bamboo = Northern Minnesota and Western Wis, and yes we do have our windy = from piscator@macatawa.org Thu Jan 10 19:18:43 2002 g0B1IgW23464 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:18:42 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:19:46 - Subject: Got Cork? Sorry for the bandwidth, but if you were part of the cork order from =last fall, they called to day and said they are shipping on Monday! = Contact me off list to confirm your shipping info. I'll send it on =ASAP. Brian Sorry for the bandwidth, but if you = the cork order from last fall, they called to day and said they are = Contact me off list to confirm your = Brian from bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 10 19:20:51 2002 g0B1KoW23673 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:20:50 - Subject: RE: reemers Hi Rob:I would use a 13/64 drill bit, and then 14/64 reamer to make a male 14/64ferrule (and the female end that fits to bamboo).I would use a 14/64 drill bit and then 15/64, and 16/64 straight flutedchucking reamers to make a female 14/64th ferrule.This works for me when I make ferrules from barstock. I do not know firsthand about how making ferrules from tubing would be different. I will behonest and say that since getting $20 (full 2/2) sets from Tony Larson, Imake very few ferrules as of late. It takes me a long time to make them, itis not worth my time unless I can do better than what I can buy. I cannot.Best regards, Bob PS. I have no financial interest in these ferrules. I must admit that if hestops producing them because of lack of sales, I would be upset. -----Original Message----- Subject: reemers Folks, dumb question. If I am buying reemers for ferrule making, do I needsizes beyond the sizes I am making the ferrules in? In other words, if Imake a 14 ferrule, I will need a 14/64, plus the next size up or down forthe other ends, right? Sorry for the question. Long day and my brain is on vacation. Rob Clarke _________________________________________________________________Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 19:20:53 2002 g0B1KqW23677 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:20:52 - Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:20:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Turning Ferrule Stations with Hand Drill FILETIME=[2E832100:01C19A3E] I would bet that more handles are turned on drills than by any other method.The only way to know is to try it and see for yourself. I would watch forunevenness- it can be hard to keep it concentric. Not to discourage you, butwhen I switched to a lathe I felt that my cork handles increased in quality.You could see the difference. This could have been due to the fact that Icould turn the cork much faster with more torque. One thing that might make it easier is to glue up your rings with titebondon a mandrel (a 1/4 inch steel rod ). It goes into the chuck easily, and thenarrow rod is easy to brace.The glue holds the cork well, but it is easy toremove after turning (drill a hole in the bench, drop in the rod, and tapgently with a mallet). Do not try this with any other glue- it will stickeven if you coat the rod with beeswax or paraffin. Then you have to heatthe rod and hope you don't burn the cork too badly. After removing the rod,open it up with a reamer, again being careful not to overbore the area wherethe rod end of the cork meets the rod. I did this a lot, and ended upordering an abundance of winding checks to hide the seam. Jeff Schaeffer from richjez@enteract.com Thu Jan 10 19:23:13 2002 g0B1NDW24101 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:23:13 -0600 "Rodmakers discussion group" Subject: Re: Homebrew --=====================_11027414==_.ALT I hope you aren't talking about my home made wine. You spoke highly of itthen.Rich At 10:00 AM 1/10/02, Tony Young wrote: It's not just beer philistines there are some wine ones too. I carted a couple of bottles of some pretty damn nice Taylors and Penfold reds all over the US just to have at Greyling.The food was good. A chilli spaghetti from memory.If I recall correctly most of ALL the wine wound up on the picnic table, some was dunk (very little) and some was *gulped* probably while holding one's breath.You know who you are out there so I wont name names but I hope you have serious regrets about what happened that day.To rub salt into the wound I was presented with a bottle of strawberry "wine" by way of returning the thought.Does anybody know what happened to that bottle of strawberry "wine"? I imagine somebody needed to strip some paint or degrease their engine and it came in handy.What bothers me is it was probably the only wine to actually get drunk!!! Tony At 09:22 AM 1/10/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: I wondered how long the Listmeister could remain silent on the subject ofbrewing.Most of you guys have no idea the great quality brew that Mike brings tothegatherings. Even the Beer Philistines drink up Mike's offering, which is whyit goes so fast. It seems a shame to waste such good tonic on thoseunrefined palates, but hey, maybe they learn a thing or two besidesrodmaking, and in the process develop those palates. ;o) M-D /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ --=====================_11027414==_.ALT I hope you aren't talking about my home made wine. You spokehighly of it then.Rich At 10:00 AM 1/10/02, Tony Young wrote:It's not just beer philistines there are somewine ones too. I carted a couple of bottles of some pretty damn niceTaylors and Penfold reds all over the US just to have at Greyling.The food was good. A chilli spaghetti from memory.If I recall correctly most of ALL the wine wound up on the picnic table,some was dunk (very little) and some was *gulped* probably while holdingone's breath.You know who you are out there so I wont name names but I hope you haveserious regrets about what happened that day.To rub salt into the wound I was presented with a bottle of strawberry"wine" by way of returning the thought. "wine"? I imagine somebody needed to strip some paint ordegrease their engine and it came in handy.What bothers me is it was probably the only wine to actually getdrunk!!! Tony At 09:22 AM 1/10/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote:I wondered how long the Listmeister couldremain silent on the subject ofbrewing.Most of you guys have no idea the great quality brew that Mike brings tothegatherings. Even the Beer Philistines drink up Mike's offering, which iswhyit goes so fast. It seems a shame to waste such good tonic on thoseunrefined palates, but hey, maybe they learn a thing or two besidesrodmaking, and in the process develop those palates. ;o) M- D/*************************************************************************/AV Young www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ --=====================_11027414==_.ALT-- from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 19:29:39 2002 g0B1TcW24572 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:29:38 -0600 Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:29:33 -0800 , , Subject: Re: was that ferrules? FILETIME=[6C59B4C0:01C19A3F] Kyle and the list, I just realized that your post dealt with turning ferrules. Please ignorethe detailedinstructions I posted for turning cork handles. You can all flame me for this one- I deserve it.. My only excuse is that Ispent 8 hours today debugging and verifying an 1110 line SAS program, andthen came home and had to install a sink. Every solder joint held but one,and that one was the hardest one to re-solder. Then the bread I pushed intothe hole to keep away leakage stopped every kitchen appliance. Then mydaughter opened the upstairs faucet just as I was looking directly into apipe, and about 5 gallons of water poured out. Bob Nunley, move over. jeff schaeffer from jojo@ipa.net Thu Jan 10 20:25:06 2002 g0B2P6W26311 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:25:06 -0600 helo=default) id 16OrNM-0000uH-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:25:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Fw: Pilots vs Air Control Try opening it in Notepad. M-D Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:10 PMSubject: Re: Fw: Pilots vs Air Control Hi JohnUnfortunately your attchement didn't open.I would've enjoyed seeing =something sent from someone who drives around in an A/C painted like a =bowling shoe .Cheers Brian Notepad. M-D ----- Original Message ----- sturrock Sent: Thursday, January 10, = PM Control Hi JohnUnfortunately your attchement didn't open.I = Cheers =Brian from crmitchell@ocsonline.com Thu Jan 10 20:58:36 2002 g0B2wZW27113 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:58:35 - for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:02:56 -0500 Subject: Re: homebrew, etc. Off subject but I couldn't hold it any longer. While I don't make myown, the mass market stuff is abysmal - How is American mass-market beer like making love in a canoe? They're both f****ing near water ! from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 21:25:04 2002 g0B3P4W27849 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:25:04 - Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:24:58 -0800 Subject: Re: bamboo 4t FILETIME=[8C0FBCA0:01C19A4F] I like the 7 foot Dickerson. Many of the Dickerson tapers have very =stiff butts, but this taper is more moderate, and fishes beautifully. =But so many have praised the Sir D that you should consider it. Jeff Schaeffer I like the 7 foot Dickerson. Many of = tapers have very stiff butts, but this taper is more moderate, and = beautifully. But so many have praised the Sir D that you should consider = it. Jeff =Schaeffer from b2g@jps.net Thu Jan 10 22:53:28 2002 g0B4rRW29796 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:53:27 - helo=default) id 16Otgu-0004mT-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:53:21 -0800 Subject: RE: Wrap Finishing: Rotating vs. Hanging To start out I just hung dried the rods to let the varnish on the wraps cureand didn't have much trouble. Then I just lightly sanded off the varnishruns if I had any. But on this last rod that I did the coating on the wrapsdidn't come out the cleanest shape and they look horrible. To make a longstory short I had to cut off the wraps and redo the rod. At that point Ibarrowed a rod tuner from a great friend and that sure made the world ofdifference. I think the rod turner is the way to go. Currently I amlooking for the components to build one for myself right now, along with allthe other projects I am working on. Robert H. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Wrap Finishing: Rotating vs. Hanging Rich;I don't own anything to turn a rod with, except my hand. I just hang emand let em be, but don't just glom the varnish on.john RMargiotta@aol.com wrote: I've been rotating the rod while the varnish on the wraps dry. Can I skipthis step and just hang the sections instead? Will the varnish run,especially long- drying spar? --Rich from rodwrapp@swbell.net Thu Jan 10 23:50:15 2002 g0B5oEW01047 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:50:14 - (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) Subject: Re: Wrap Finishing: Rotating vs. Hanging I have 2 rodturners but I turn my bamboo rods by hand, and use my turners ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Wrap Finishing: Rotating vs. Hanging To start out I just hung dried the rods to let the varnish on the wraps cure and didn't have much trouble. Then I just lightly sanded off the varnishruns if I had any. But on this last rod that I did the coating on the wraps didn't come out the cleanest shape and they look horrible. To make a longstory short I had to cut off the wraps and redo the rod. At that point Ibarrowed a rod tuner from a great friend and that sure made the world ofdifference. I think the rod turner is the way to go. Currently I amlooking for the components to build one for myself right now, along with all the other projects I am working on. Robert H. -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:23 AMCc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Wrap Finishing: Rotating vs. Hanging Rich;I don't own anything to turn a rod with, except my hand. I just hang emand let em be, but don't just glom the varnish on.john RMargiotta@aol.com wrote: I've been rotating the rod while the varnish on the wraps dry. Can I skip this step and just hang the sections instead? Will the varnish run,especially long-drying spar? --Rich from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Jan 11 03:17:27 2002 g0B9HPW03460 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:17:26 -0600 "Rodmakers discussion group" Subject: Re: Homebrew Definately not. This was some stuff that came with a pretty label and a price on it of around $1.95 or something like that. I guess they need to get the price of the bottle back some way anyhow. I think this stuff had a brand. No, your wine was great. I think the strawberry and apple was best but both were pretty nice. Tony At 05:00 PM 1/10/02 -0600, Rich Jezioro wrote: I hope you aren't talking about my home made wine. You spoke highly of it then.Rich At 10:00 AM 1/10/02, Tony Young wrote: It's not just beer philistines there are some wine ones too. I carted a couple of bottles of some pretty damn nice Taylors and Penfold reds all over the US just to have at Greyling.The food was good. A chilli spaghetti from memory.If I recall correctly most of ALL the wine wound up on the picnic table, some was dunk (very little) and some was *gulped* probably while holding one's breath.You know who you are out there so I wont name names but I hope you have serious regrets about what happened that day.To rub salt into the wound I was presented with a bottle of strawberry "wine" by way of returning the thought.Does anybody know what happened to that bottle of strawberry "wine"? I imagine somebody needed to strip some paint or degrease their engine and it came in handy.What bothers me is it was probably the only wine to actually get drunk!!! Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Fri Jan 11 06:18:21 2002 g0BCIKW04937 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:18:20 -0600 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:18:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Brew But Lew, likethey say, once tried, you'll never go back......Mark At 04:11 PM 1/10/2002 -0800, you wrote:Okay,Okay, I have hasd enoughj...I dont want you guys to think that I wouldnot drink your home brew if you offered it to me, I just thought buy buy chance to get to one of these outings, I would love to samle each and can get into making my own brew, but just never got the time. dont be to hardon me, I just really like MGD, for the time beinganyway..Lew from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Fri Jan 11 06:33:02 2002 g0BCX1W05277 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:33:01 -0600 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:33:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Brian, That doesn't sound familiar, but we moved from there in 1995, so it may have opened after we left. Dunno. Hopland is located on Rte. 101, about an hour and a half or so up from the Bay Bridge. It's about 15 minutes south of Ukiah. We lived up in Willits, home of the World Famous "Skunk Train"!!!!!! What, you've never heard of the Skunk Train? My Gawd Man! Mark At 08:14 PM 1/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: Is that near Hopkiln Winery?----- Original Message -----From: "Mark Wendt" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:57 AMSubject: Re: Tops from an instrument maker Claude, Yep, that be the place. I used to live up in N. Calififi, up inMendocino County. The Hopland Brewery, located in of all places,Hopland,CA makes a mighty fine hoppy ale called Red Tail Ale, along with a fewother ones. The last time I got a sixer of SNCA here in Maryland, it wasabout $9.99. I really enjoyed taking tours of the Sierra Nevadabrewery. The sampling at the end was jush abit of fun. Honnesh,ossifer,I only had two beers....... mark At 10:19 AM 1/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 8:02 AM -0500 on 1/10/02, Mark Wendt wrote about Re: Tops fromaninstrument maker Tom, It must be the 10 gallon batches that you save money on. I brew all grain also, but only in the 5 gallon batches. After spending around $20 for the grain bill, another $4 for the hops (yeah, I'm a hophead..... ;^}), and another $2 -$3 for the yeast, it's costing me about$13 a case. But I guess it is a money savings, considering a case ofSierra Nevada Celebration ale is around $40........ I was just out in Calif. during the holidays...cost for SNCA averaged$6.49/6pack. Mark, where are you located? I notice NRL in your email address - is that the NRL just South of DC along I-295? Claude from ctcaneman@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 07:02:45 2002 g0BD2iW05730 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:02:44 -0600 11 Jan 2002 05:02:44 PST Subject: Refinishing old rod Hello all, I purchased an old rod, no labels to identify it, only$20.00. It needs to be completely redone, cork isbadly chipped, reel seat dented, guides rusty and twomissing. Bamboo looks in good condition though. My question is best place to purchase the parts,looking at the web two pop up, fisrt is Goldenwitchand then REC. I was leaning towards REC for price, anyrecommendations/ preferences? Thanks in advance, Paul __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Fri Jan 11 07:10:36 2002 g0BDAZW06046 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:10:35 -0600 Subject: Tape on glued-up blanks After struggling to get a blank wrapped last night before the Gorilla PU setup, I was wondering is there a better way to get the tape off the blank whilebinding, or is there a better tape or technique? Everything came out OKand the blank is nicely wrapped - and straight. I use masking tape for just over 1 revolution starting on spline #1, then slitthe tape between spline #6 and #1, lay it out, glue it, roll it back up andproceed to the wrapper. Tape is 1/4" wide and applied about every 12" to18". One thought that has come to me is - what if the tape was left on and justbound over? Would it interfere with binding and perhaps cause open joints? Your tips and thoughts? Thanks, Kurt ClementNixa, MO from jerryy@webtv.net Fri Jan 11 07:29:14 2002 g0BDTDW06592 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:29:13 -0600 by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with 2111.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id FAA12639; ETAuAhUAqS2t+8F0mm+BVaF0pzVts6kND2UCFQCmfmldrWHrlqX5e+SDXrzePkNM+g== Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks 11 Jan 2002 7:08:00 -0500 Kurt - Look at your local discout store for the blue colored tape thatis not quite so sticky. I keep an old bodkin handy and use the needle tostart unwrapping at the corner of the slit. I don't think you would want to put a section in the oven leaving thetape on.......that would be ugly. JY from earsdws@duke.edu Fri Jan 11 07:59:27 2002 g0BDxQW07295 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:59:26 -0600 g0BDxN623309; Organization: Hearing Research Laboratories, Div. of Otolaryngology-Head andNeck Surgery, Subject: any new thoughts on glued-up blanks? How about a survey of group members on how they hang glued up blanks ANDhow much straightening is required afterwards? Thanks, dws. from Bamboomaker@aol.com Fri Jan 11 08:00:52 2002 g0BE0qW07480 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:00:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Turning Ferrule Stations with Hand Drill Kyle, I built my first dozen rods with the help of a cordless hand drill. During my prelathe period I needed a way to turn corks and to prep ferrules. This did meet my needs well. I initially tried it with a corded hand drill but I thought that the speed and power was a bit much to handle without the security of stability. With a cordless hand drill I was able to get speeds low to help rough out cork grips as well as to finish them. Prepping ferrules was a snap with a cordless drill- i used the poor man's method of a modified reverse drill bit with a ferrule mounted to the shank and the cutting edge chucked up. I'll have to admit that I still prep my ferrules this way even though I have a nice lathe. One tip given to me by Tony Larson is to buy a cheap set of import pin gauges. I bought a 'minus' set and use about 3 of the 120 in the set as they fit my commonly used ferrule sizes. Chuck this up in the cordless hand drill and then mount your ferrule snugly to this. Sand/polish accordingly. Despite all the growing machinery in my basement (it is funny to buy a fancy lathe to use it about 10-20 minutes/80 hours/rod = or about 0.2-0.4% ofthe time to make a rod), I still prep my ferrule stations by hand. Hope that this helps. Mark Mark C. Lee, MDRochester, MN from lblove@omniglobal.net Fri Jan 11 08:17:39 2002 g0BEHdW08174 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:17:39 -0600 Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks Well I have left the tape on (by oversight) and the sectionin question came out acceptable. I only tape in three places,either end and the center of the section using 1/2 wide tape.I also keep an exatco knife and blade at the binder for cutting thread and helping in the removal of the tape. I try to remove the tape when it is being supported by the first set of craddles on the binder(I use a Garrison style). Brad *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/11/02 at 8:29 AM jerryy@webtv.net wrote:. I keep an old bodkin handy and use the needle to start unwrapping at the corner of the slit. from mcanultj@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu Fri Jan 11 08:34:47 2002 g0BEYkW09020 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:34:46 -0600 743.svm.vetmed.wisc.edu) Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks Kurt,I use the blue tape and keep a supply of round toothpicks handy. When I wrap I have one nearby that I use to slide under the tape and start it off so I can grab it with my fingers and finish removing it. The toothpicks are disposable, no cleanup, and are soft enough I don't gouge the cane. I use the Nyatex glue. This seems to loosen the grip of the tape as well. I don't know if other glues affect the tape adhesive differently.Jon At 07:08 AM 1/11/2002 -0500, Kurt Clement wrote: After struggling to get a blank wrapped last night before the Gorilla PU set up, I was wondering is there a better way to get the tape off the blank while binding, or is there a better tape or technique? Everything came out OK and the blank is nicely wrapped - and straight. I use masking tape for just over 1 revolution starting on spline #1, then slit the tape between spline #6 and #1, lay it out, glue it, roll it back up and proceed to the wrapper. Tape is 1/4" wide and applied about every 12" to 18". One thought that has come to me is - what if the tape was left on and just bound over? Would it interfere with binding and perhaps cause open joints? Your tips and thoughts? Thanks,Kurt ClementNixa, MO from cw@vanion.com Fri Jan 11 09:08:53 2002 g0BF8qW11054 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:08:52 -0600 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:13:40 -0700 Subject: ROD TURNING MOTOR I just finished a fiberglass blank and needed a turning motor. Found one =thru Micro-Mark, www.micromark.com, #82090, 4 rpm, @ $12.95. It has =mounting flange, so made a simple wood stand and a pvc cap holder like =you see in Clemens. Works great. Will try a varnish method with it on =bamboo also. This motor would work for dip tube puller too. Has built-in =switch on 6ft cord.Chad I just finished a fiberglass blank = #82090, 4 = $12.95. It has mounting flange, so made a simple wood stand and a pvc = like you see in Clemens. Works great. Will try a varnish method with it = bamboo also. This motor would work for dip tube puller too. Has built-in = on 6ft cord.Chad from jojo@ipa.net Fri Jan 11 09:20:22 2002 g0BFKKW11777 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:20:20 -0600 helo=default) id 16P3Tb-0004Wu-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:20:15 -0500 Subject: Re: any new thoughts on glued-up blanks? I hang glued blanks in my drying cabinet. I have some plastic sleeving thatworks like Chinese handcuffs, and I slip this over the blank. I try to getthe glued blanks so straight beforehand that I have to do little, if any,straightening afterwards. M-D How about a survey of group members on how they hang glued up blanksAND how much straightening is required afterwards? Thanks, dws. from rmoon@ida.net Fri Jan 11 09:35:44 2002 g0BFZhW12745 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:35:43 -0600 Subject: Re: any new thoughts on glued-up blanks? I recall a statement attributed to WC "Straight is straight." There is no suchthing as partly straight. Also, I havenever really believed that hanging a weighted rod had any effect. Just mythoughts. I like to straighten the rod rightout of the binder. and avoid any post gluing straightening. Ralph earsdws@duke.edu wrote: How about a survey of group members on how they hang glued up blanksAND how much straightening is required afterwards? Thanks, dws. --?IôO from dmanders@telusplanet.net Fri Jan 11 09:42:49 2002 g0BFgmW13253 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:42:48 -0600 (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:42:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks Kurt, I use 3 tapes only on a 48" section - 4 on a 56" section with all 1/2" widemasking tape. There is always some of the glue that seems to sticksomewhere. You "might" get some between the strips hence removal isprudent. catch ya' Don At 07:08 AM 1/11/02 -0500, Kurt Clement wrote: After struggling to get a blank wrapped last night before the Gorilla PU setup, I was wondering is there a better way to get the tape off the blank whilebinding, or is there a better tape or technique? Everything came out OKand the blank is nicely wrapped - and straight. I use masking tape for just over 1 revolution starting on spline #1, then slitthe tape between spline #6 and #1, lay it out, glue it, roll it back up andproceed to the wrapper. Tape is 1/4" wide and applied about every 12" to18". One thought that has come to me is - what if the tape was left on and justbound over? Would it interfere with binding and perhaps cause open joints? Your tips and thoughts? Thanks, Kurt Clement Nixa, MO ffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from stoltz10@attbi.com Fri Jan 11 10:11:01 2002 g0BGB0W14953 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:11:00 -0600 Again, thank-you everyone. Best wishes to all. John Cooper from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Jan 12 06:16:47 2002 g0CCGjW04777 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:16:46 -0600 g0CCGbW31925; Subject: Re: Mike Montagne speaks out Reed Mr Montagne has a real problem with his self-esteem, doesn't he? He has far too much of it! That interview may be the greatest load of horseshit I have waded through inyears, and believe me, I throw out enough personally to fertilise the wholeGobi Desert! Takes one, they say, to know one. But the rest of the website is excellent, as usual; it is one of myfavourite reads, no pun intended. Cheers Peter from bob@downandacross.com Sat Jan 12 07:45:41 2002 g0CDjfW05550 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:45:41 - "Rodmakers@wugate. Wustl. Edu" Subject: RE: Sir Anthony Blunt Dear John:With all due respect, I am confused as to what this is about, but using alist member's name as the subject line and then mentioning collection agencyseems as if it should be taken off list. If you need a list member's e- mailyou can receive one from the list processor. There should be no need tosolicit anyone and drag a member's name into the dangerous realm of SirConjecture and Sir Hypothesy.Just my opinion. I hope not to offend anyone in sharing it.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Darryl Hayashida I wanted to quickly thank everyone who answered my questions re.contacting Darryl Hayashida via his email alternatives, and the selection ofa collection agency. VERY interesting. Normal0DocumentEmail @page Section1 {size: 612.0pt 792.0pt; margin: 72.0pt 90.0pt =72.0pt 90.0pt; mso-header-margin: 36.0pt; mso-footer-margin: 36.0pt; =mso- paper-source: 0; }P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso- fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-style- parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso- fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}SPAN.EmailStyle15 { COLOR: black; mso-style-type: personal-compose; mso-ansi-font-size:=10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; =mso-bidi-font-family: Arial}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1} John: respect, I am confused as to what this is about, but using a list = as the subject line and then mentioning collection agency seems as if it = be taken off list. If you need a list member's e-mail you can receive = the list processor. There should be no need to solicit anyone and drag a = member's name into the dangerous realm of Sir Conjecture and Sir = sharing it.Bob owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu = Hayashida wanted to quickly thank everyone who answered my questions re. = Darryl Hayashida via his email alternatives, and the selection of a = agency. VERY interesting. from earsdws@duke.edu Sat Jan 12 08:06:05 2002 g0CE65W05954 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:06:05 - g0CE5lQ29566 for ; by webmail.oit.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13591 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:05:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Superglue accelerator You can get it in LARGE quantities at Woodworkers Supply Co (woodworker.com). They sell both cynoacrylate and activator/accelerant in 8oz (and larger, I think) containers. They sell in such quantities because some turners saturate pourous woods and burls to hold them together before turning. Use their cool "view a catalog" feature. It is on page 136 of their current/winter catalog. dws. from carstenjorgensen@mail.dk Sat Jan 12 08:31:08 2002 g0CEV7W07454 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:31:08 -0600 Subject: Re: Mike Montagne speaks out g0CEV8W07455 The best about the above mentioned articlewas A.J`s comments, as far as I am concerned. regards, carsten jorgensenwww.daniaflyrods.com from dpeaston@wzrd.com Sat Jan 12 08:54:15 2002 g0CEsEW07931 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:54:14 - "Rodmakers@wugate. Wustl. Edu" Subject: RE: Sir Anthony Blunt Yes, I think the list is owed an explanation! Not to be too Blunt. -Doug At 08:45 AM 1/12/2002 -0500, Bob Maulucci wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas- microsoft-com:office:word">Dear John:With all due respect, I am confused as to what this is about, but using a list member's name as the subject line and then mentioning collection agency seems as if it should be taken off list. If you need a list member's e-mail you can receive one from the list processor. There should be no need to solicit anyone and drag a member's name into the dangerous realm of Sir Conjecture and Sir Hypothesy.Just my opinion. I hope not to offend anyone in sharing it.Bob -----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of JOCSent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 5:48 AM Subject: Darryl HayashidaI wanted to quickly thank everyone who answered my questions re. contacting Darryl Hayashida via his email alternatives, and the selection of a collection agency. VERY interesting. Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from bob@downandacross.com Sat Jan 12 09:02:33 2002 g0CF2WW08232 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:02:32 -0600 Subject: RE: Mike Montagne speaks out AJ, Carsten:This was a fascinating post (AJ's). I humbly agree that you can probably geta lot out of having a 10" tip design and then shooting to fill in the rest.This info below is what I am trying to do to design some more quad tapers. Ihave always felt that Ray Gould's discussion of slope and action ( from hisbook) was the most practical approach to design. I am starting to slowlyexperiment with the Powell straight tapers and then fill in the otherfactors in subsequent blanks.Best regards, Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Mike Montagne speaks out Fascinating article. I think it is time to attack a simple problem such asthe construction of a thermonuculear device! I have to agree with thecomments about computer tapers though, it is apparent that 'something' ismissing when the tapers are reengineered that way. I have cast goodcomputertapers but never a great one. Fortunately most end users can't tell thedifference. My conclusion about the design of tapers by many of the oldmasters is that they knew what they wanted the rod to do(fast, slow, tipaction, evenly loading action, etc.) then picked out the ferrule sizes theyknew would do what needed to be done and filled in the rod in between. Afast 5wt 8ft rod would have a 14 ferrule at about .210-.214 .068 -.072 tipand a .300-.320 but before the swell, slow full working 5 .200-.205ferrule,about a .066 tip and a .290 butt a med fast 4 would be .190 at the ferrule.066 -.068 tip and a 280-290 butt . What happens in between , barringsomething weird isn't all that important. Is M.M. still building? It seems a waste of his obvious talent if he is nolonger building.A.J. from m.boretti@agonet.it Sat Jan 12 09:25:08 2002 g0CFP3W09024 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:25:04 -0600 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:18:47 +0100 Subject: Chris Bogart E-mail. g0CFP8W09025 Dear Friends, I lost the e-amil address of Mr. Chris Bogart, can anyone help about the.Sincerely,Marco Boretti from carstenjorgensen@mail.dk Sat Jan 12 10:05:23 2002 g0CG5HW09849 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:05:23 -0600 Subject: P&M Parabolic Royale 7`4" #5 thread needed g0CG5NW09850 Have this afternoon recieved the above rod for repair. A newtip is needed, as the original had an incident involving a car. So, friends, I need the taper as the last 10 inches of the tip is missing.Furthermore the thread used on the rod is a copperish, metallic thread,probably a Gudebrod 9396???? If anyone has any info, or, indeed,a spool of the right thread, please do contact me. regards, carsten jorgensenwww.daniaflyrods.com from HalManas@aol.com Sat Jan 12 10:25:27 2002 g0CGPQW10289 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:25:26 - Subject: Re: Sir Anthony Blunt Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu List,It all seems obvious to me and it is also obvious that it should be taken off-list! Hal from rcurry@ttlc.net Sat Jan 12 11:02:19 2002 g0CH2IW10964 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:02:18 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Mike Montagne speaks out Bob, A good question, one I will pose to him. How did he glue up twistedstrips?Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Bob Maulucci wrote: Dear Reed:Thanks for sharing the wonderful article. My head hurts now, and I amgoingnumb from the shoulders up. (I really liked looking at the pictures).All kidding aside, what did he do to get straight blanks? I got lost there.I think he stated that his beveller could cut any sort of bent up strip, buthow did he get them glued up straight?The part about Per Brandin and the beveller was hilarious. I wonder whatPerwould do to a snooper at his shop. Probably pistol whip the guy with a twohanded, hollow built 13 wt.I think Michael Montagne and Bob Milward should get together and see whoscores higher on the Mensa test. First all the Sam Carlson info and nowthis. You are becoming the leading quadrate authority. Wow.Thanks a million,Bob -----Original Message----- from rcurry@ttlc.net Sat Jan 12 11:04:01 2002 g0CH40W11140 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:04:00 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Mike Montagne speaks out John, Mike was being "brief". There is more in the future as well as, hopefully, some pictures of machinery.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ channer wrote: Reed;Please tell me this is just the first installment!!!!!!!Get the wholestory, minute by minute, from the first time he even considered buildinga rod up until he walked away from it for the last time. This was THEmost fascinating article I have ever read, but what a teaser! john from rcurry@ttlc.net Sat Jan 12 11:13:28 2002 g0CHDRW11568 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:13:27 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Mike Montagne speaks out A.J., I agree, he should be building, and he says he misses it. Apparently his software work takes up 14 hours a day, and that's the way he likes it... Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Allen Thramer wrote: Is M.M. still building? It seems a waste of his obvious talent if he is no longer building.A.J. from barneys@snet.net Sat Jan 12 11:30:09 2002 g0CHU8W12108 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:30:08 -0600 (may be forged)) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:30:03 -0500 Subject: Gene Edwards rod tapers? II have a bunch of Gene Edwards butt sections for two piece and butt andmid sections for three piece. I'm getting some tips made but can"t find anyof his tapers in the archives. Can anyone out there help me? Thank you,Carl. from Troutgetter@aol.com Sat Jan 12 11:54:57 2002 g0CHsuW12906 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:54:56 -0600 Subject: Re: any new thoughts on glued-up blanks? Adam,Do you keep four adjustable forms in the shop just for this, or do you only glue one rod section at a time?Love you man!MikePS. I would like to place an order for 3 more forms! Now, where did I leave my beer. In a message dated 1/11/2002 10:16:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: No hanging blanks here, no straightening either.I let my blanks dry in the forms correctly adjusted to do so and let dry.Presto Perfect! Adam Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ Adam,Do you keep four adjustable forms in the shop just for this, or do you onlyglue one rod section at a time?Love you man!MikePS. I would like to place an order for 3 more forms! Now, where did I leave mybeer. In a message dated 1/11/2002 10:16:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: No hanging blanks here,no straightening either.I let my blanks dry in the forms correctly adjusted to do so and let dry.Presto Perfect! Adam Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from SBDunn@aol.com Sat Jan 12 11:57:56 2002 g0CHvtW13161 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:57:55 - for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:57:42 - Subject: Thanks - long overdue. I have been a member of this list for 5 or 6 years, though I generally just lurk. During that time a lot of good people have come and gone. I have never met Darryl Hayashida and wouldn't know him if I saw him, but I think the time has come for me to publicly thank him for all the help he has given me (and the list) in the past. Darryl thinks outside the box and (off the top of my head) I believe he originated or popularized the drip tube, using bench planes, heat treated blonde rods, and about a thousandinnovative rodmaking techniques. Furthermore, on the three or four times I've had occasion to write directly to Darryl, he was completely forthcoming with information -- usually going beyond the subject I asked about to include potential problems or benefits down the road. Now, I've never done business with Darryl and I'll admit that something similar to this can be said about many of the list members, but Darryl is a true contributor to this list and I at least owe him a great debt. Thanks, Darryl. Regards, Steve. I have been a member of a lot of good people have come and gone. I have never met Darryl Hayashida and wouldn't know him if I saw him, but Ithink the time has come for me to publicly thank him for all the help he has (off the top of my head) I believe he originated or popularized the drip tube,using bench planes, heat treated blonde rods, and about a thousand times I've had occasion to write directly to Darryl, he was completelyforthcoming with information -- usually going beyond the subject I askedabout to include potential problems or benefits down the road. Now, I've never donebusiness with Darryl and I'll admit that something similar to this can be saidabout many of the list members, but Darryl is a true contributor to this listand I at least owe him a great debt. Thanks, Darryl. Regards, Steve. from FlyfishT@aol.com Sat Jan 12 11:58:42 2002 g0CHwfW13315 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:58:41 -0600 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:58:30 - Subject: nymph rod taper Hi All, I am looking for a rod taper to fish nymphs and emergers on spring creek, a small to mid size stream. I am looking for a 7'6" to 8' 4 or 5-wt rod. I am concidering the P.Y. Perfectionist , Martha Marie. I would really like the nymph jr. P.Y. taper, a 71/2-13-27/8oz. Does anyone have that taper? What tapers do you guys recomend? Thanks, Tom from cathcreek@hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 12:24:34 2002 g0CIOXW14266 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:24:33 - Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:24:27 -0800 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:24:27 GMT Subject: Re: Thanks - long overdue. FILETIME=[5EB25630:01C19B96] From: SBDunn@aol.com Subject: Thanks - long overdue.Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:57:41 EST I have been a member of this list for 5 or 6 years, though I generally justlurk. During that time a lot of good people have come and gone. I have never met Darryl Hayashida and wouldn't know him if I saw him, but Ithink the time has come for me to publicly thank him for all the help he hasgiven me (and the list) in the past. Darryl thinks outside the box and (offthe top of my head) I believe he originated or popularized the drip tube,using bench planes, heat treated blonde rods, and about a thousand innovativerodmaking techniques. Furthermore, on the three or four times I've hadoccasion to write directly to Darryl, he was completely forthcoming withinformation -- usually going beyond the subject I asked about to includepotential problems or benefits down the road. Now, I've never done business with Darryl and I'll admit that somethingsimilar to this can be said about many of the list members, but Darryl is atrue contributor to this list and I at least owe him a great debt. Thanks, Darryl. Regards, Steve. I would agree that Sir D has been great to me on the list. He has provided me with good, solid information when I needed it. I also owe him (and others) a great deal. Rob Robert ClarkeCatherine Creek Rodscathcreek@hotmail.comhttp://ccr_2.tripod.com/bamboo/index.html _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Jan 12 12:29:00 2002 g0CISwW14544 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:28:59 -0600 Subject: Re: nymph rod taper Perfectionist. Tony At 12:58 PM 1/12/02 -0500, FlyfishT@aol.com wrote: Hi All,I am looking for a rod taper to fish nymphs and emergers on spring creek,a small to mid size stream. I am looking for a 7'6" to 8' 4 or 5-wt rod. I amconcidering the P.Y. Perfectionist , Martha Marie. I would really like thenymph jr. P.Y. taper, a 71/2-13-27/8oz. Does anyone have that taper?Whattapers do you guys recomend? Thanks, Tom /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reducesYour expensive computerTo a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ from DNHayashida@aol.com Sat Jan 12 12:34:45 2002 g0CIYiW14901 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:34:44 -0600 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:34:33 - Subject: Apologies to the list Yes, this is a matter that never should have made it on the list.Rather than giving a rebuttal here, I will let the matter drop as far as the list is concerned.You all have my most sincere apologies.Darryl Hayashida Yes,this is a matter that never should have made it on the list.Rather than giving a rebuttal here, I will let the matter drop as far as the listis concerned.You all have my most sincere apologies.Darryl Hayashida from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Sat Jan 12 12:46:12 2002 g0CIkBW15430 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:46:11 -0600 MAA27590; KAA23992; g0CIkKW18016; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:46:07 -0800 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Apologies to the list this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Darryl, you don't owe any of us an apology, if some one has a personal beefwith you, that doesn't effect us and should not have been brought up on thelist. This is kind of a family and families can't all get along all thetime, squabbles come up from time to time. Shit happens!!! Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Apologies to the list Yes, this is a matter that never should have made it on the list.Rather than giving a rebuttal here, I will let the matter drop as far as thelist is concerned.You all have my most sincere apologies.Darryl Hayashida Darryl, you don't owe any of us an apology, ifsome one has a personal beef with you, that doesn't effect us and should not havebeen brought up on the list. This is kind of a family and families can't all get along all the time, squabbles come up from time to time. Shit happens!!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair Planning 61-79 -----Original Message-----From: DNHayashida@aol.com 2002 10:35 Apologies to the listYes, this is a matter that never should have made it on the list.Rather than giving a rebuttal here, I will let the matter drop as far as the list is concerned.You all have my most sincereapologies.Darryl Hayashida from KyleDruey@aol.com Sat Jan 12 13:36:21 2002 g0CJaKW16564 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:36:20 -0600 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:36:06 - Subject: Pinning Ferrules Hi List, I've glued on my ferrules and now I would like to pin them, and the cap on the reel seat. How do I do this? There is varied and incomplete information in the archives, so I have a few questions: -should the pin be located where the wrap is so that it doesn't show? -should the hole be drilled through both sides of the ferrule? -how is the pinning wire inserted? -what is a good pin location for the reel seat cap? Thanks again everyone for all your help, and go 49ers! Kyle from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 12 14:03:06 2002 g0CK35W17325 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:03:05 -0600 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:04:19 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: nymph rod taper " I would really like the nymph jr. P.Y. taper, a 71/2-13-27/8oz. Doesanyonehave that taper? ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a PHYoung taper I don't know about???? How could one slipthrough the crack??? Shawn from ajthramer@hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 14:55:35 2002 g0CKtYW18771 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:55:34 -0600 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:55:25 -0800 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:55:24 GMT Subject: Re: Pinning Ferrules FILETIME=[75305820:01C19BAB] To answer in order: Location - no! female halfway up the bamboo bore, male through the slide Both Sides - yes! only cheapo rods were pinned through one side How - sharpen the end of the wire with a swiss file and use a pair of electronic pliers Cap - at a 90* angle to the reel slot at the midpoint of the capA.J. From: KyleDruey@aol.com Subject: Pinning FerrulesDate: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:36:05 EST Hi List, I've glued on my ferrules and now I would like to pin them, and the cap onthe reel seat. How do I do this? There is varied and incomplete informationin the archives, so I have a few questions: -should the pin be located where the wrap is so that it doesn't show? -should the hole be drilled through both sides of the ferrule? -how is the pinning wire inserted? -what is a good pin location for the reel seat cap? Thanks again everyone for all your help, and go 49ers! Kyle _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com from ddeloach@pcisys.net Sat Jan 12 14:58:11 2002 g0CKwAW18961 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:58:10 -0600 env- from (ddeloach@pcisys.net) Subject: Re: Apologies to the list FWIW, I will provide a rebuttal on Darryl's behalf. I don't know him =personally but I've done business with him once, on a group cork order. The rings arrived in good condition, albeit a couple days later than =expected. When I was sifting through the rings I noticed some other =stuff in the bag. A couple of leaders, some extra cork rings and a spool =of rod wrapping thread. I emailed him to tell him that I obviuously must =be in possession of someone elses order. He said no, he threw that stuff =in just for being patient. A very nice gesture that won't soon be forgotten-Don D Subject: RE: Apologies to the list Darryl, you don't owe any of us an apology, if some one has a personal =beef with you, that doesn't effect us and should not have been brought =up on the list. This is kind of a family and families can't all get =along all the time, squabbles come up from time to time. Shit happens!!! -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Apologies to the list Yes, this is a matter that never should have made it on the list.Rather than giving a rebuttal here, I will let the matter drop as =far as the list is concerned.You all have my most sincere apologies. FWIW, I will provide a rebuttal on = on a group cork order. The rings arrived in good condition, = couple days later than expected. When I was sifting through the rings I = some other stuff in the bag. A couple of leaders, some extra cork rings = spool of rod wrapping thread. I emailed him to tell him that I = be in possession of someone elses order. He said no, he threw that stuff = A very nice gesture that won't soon forgotten-Don D ----- Original Message ----- Coffey, Patrick W Sent: Saturday, January 12, = AMSubject: RE: Apologies to the =list Darryl, you don't owe any of us anapology, = one has a personal beef with you, that doesn't effect us and should = been brought up on the list. This is kind of a family and families = happens!!! Patrick W. =Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning =Phone: 425-234-2901 M/C = -----Original Message-----From: = rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: = Apologies to the listYes, this is a matter that never should = the list.Rather than giving a rebuttal here, I will let the = from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Sat Jan 12 14:59:37 2002 g0CKxbW19134 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:59:37 -0600 MAA03522; OAA18289; g0CKxhW29217; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:59:31 -0800 "Coffey, Patrick W" , DNHayashida@aol.com,rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Apologies to the list this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. that's just the kind of guy he is and has been to all ofus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Apologies to the list FWIW, I will provide a rebuttal on Darryl's behalf. I don't know himpersonally but I've done business with him once, on a group cork order. The rings arrived in good condition, albeit a couple days later thanexpected. When I was sifting through the rings I noticed some other stuff inthe bag. A couple of leaders, some extra cork rings and a spool of rodwrapping thread. I emailed him to tell him that I obviuously must be inpossession of someone elses order. He said no, he threw that stuff in just A very nice gesture that won't soon be forgotten-Don D ----- Original Message ----- 'DNHayashida@aol.com' ;rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent:Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:46 AMSubject: RE: Apologies to the list Darryl, you don't owe any of us an apology, if some one has a personal beefwith you, that doesn't effect us and should not have been brought up on thelist. This is kind of a family and families can't all get along all thetime, squabbles come up from time to time. Shit happens!!! Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Apologies to the list Yes, this is a matter that never should have made it on the list.Rather than giving a rebuttal here, I will let the matter drop as far as thelist is concerned.You all have my most sincere apologies.Darryl Hayashida that's just the kind of guy he is and has been to all of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair Planning 61-79 -----Original Message-----From: Don DeLoach 2002 12:52 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Apologies to the listFWIW, I will provide a rebuttal on Darryl's once, on a group cork order. The rings arrived in good condition, albeit a couple days later than expected. When I was sifting through the rings I noticed some other stuff in the bag. A couple of leaders, some extra cork rings and a spool of rod wrapping thread. I emailed him to tell him that I obviuously must be in possession of someone elses order. He said no, hethrew that stuff in just for being patient. A very nice gesture that won't soon be forgotten Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:10:52 +0000 Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks Kurt I used pro-bond for my blanks, but I believe they are both similar, anyway I left a little tap when I taped them together and found that when Iglued them the tape would just slide off. the slickness of the glue allowedmy to just push off the tape with my finger nails. Tim----- Original Message ----- Subject: Tape on glued-up blanks After struggling to get a blank wrapped last night before the Gorilla PU set up, I was wondering is there a better way to get the tape off the blankwhile binding, or is there a better tape or technique? Everything cameout OK and the blank is nicely wrapped - and straight. I use masking tape for just over 1 revolution starting on spline #1, then slit the tape between spline #6 and #1, lay it out, glue it, roll it backup and proceed to the wrapper. Tape is 1/4" wide and applied about every12" to 18". One thought that has come to me is - what if the tape was left on and just bound over? Would it interfere with binding and perhaps cause open joints? Your tips and thoughts? Thanks,Kurt ClementNixa, MO from jojo@ipa.net Fri Jan 11 10:25:39 2002 g0BGPdW16049 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:25:39 -0600 helo=default) id 16P4Up-0000Gp-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:25:35 -0500 Subject: Re: any new thoughts on glued-up blanks? I, too, do not believe that hanging a weight results in a straighter blank.The reason being that the strips need to slip against one another to be ableto relieve the crooked condition. I tried encasing the blank full lengthwith the mesh tubing, then hanging weights off the end. It didn't matter onewhit the amount of weight I used. If there was a crook anywhere in the blankwhen you started, it was there when you finished.And, I agree: It's better to straighten in the string, and not later. M-D I recall a statement attributed to WC "Straight is straight." There is no such thing as partly straight. Also, I have never really believed that hanging a weighted rod had any effect. Just my thoughts. I like to straighten the rod right out of the binder. and avoid any post gluing straightening. Ralph earsdws@duke.edu wrote: How about a survey of group members on how they hang glued up blanksAND how much straightening is required afterwards? Thanks, dws. from thogan@rochester.rr.com Fri Jan 11 10:26:53 2002 g0BGQoW16239 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:26:50 -0600 g0BGQgu19132; Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks I have just the opposite problem.The tape does not stick.It seems as though my glue gets all over the adhesive side of the tag end ofthe tape, and the glue never has time to get tacky enough to hold whileputting it through the binder. Getting it off in time has never been aproblem. I use standard masking tape, whatever is the cheapest, and URACforglue.I have found success by rolling the rod along a board after glue up assuggested in the literature. I have also experimented with a long homemadevice that forces the rod to become straight with no twist. I have had mixedsuccess with the later, so I can be a firm proponent of the vice.It seems to me the binder could be improved by not twirling the rod, buttwirling the wraps around a blank that is help in place. Much like the JWrod wrapper.Taylor----- Original Message ----- Subject: Tape on glued-up blanks After struggling to get a blank wrapped last night before the Gorilla PU set up, I was wondering is there a better way to get the tape off the blankwhile binding, or is there a better tape or technique? Everything cameout OK and the blank is nicely wrapped - and straight. I use masking tape for just over 1 revolution starting on spline #1, then slit the tape between spline #6 and #1, lay it out, glue it, roll it backup and proceed to the wrapper. Tape is 1/4" wide and applied about every12" to 18". One thought that has come to me is - what if the tape was left on and just bound over? Would it interfere with binding and perhaps cause open joints? Your tips and thoughts? Thanks,Kurt ClementNixa, MO from stoltz10@attbi.com Fri Jan 11 10:42:55 2002 g0BGgtW17179 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:42:55 -0600 Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:42:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks A Smithwick binder works on that concept and that is what I use and havebeen very happy so far.----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks I have just the opposite problem.The tape does not stick.It seems as though my glue gets all over the adhesive side of the tag end of the tape, and the glue never has time to get tacky enough to hold whileputting it through the binder. Getting it off in time has never been aproblem. I use standard masking tape, whatever is the cheapest, and URAC for glue.I have found success by rolling the rod along a board after glue up assuggested in the literature. I have also experimented with a long homemadevice that forces the rod to become straight with no twist. I have had mixed success with the later, so I can be a firm proponent of the vice.It seems to me the binder could be improved by not twirling the rod, buttwirling the wraps around a blank that is help in place. Much like the JWrod wrapper.Taylor----- Original Message -----From: "Kurt Clement" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:08 AMSubject: Tape on glued-up blanks After struggling to get a blank wrapped last night before the Gorilla PU set up, I was wondering is there a better way to get the tape off the blank while binding, or is there a better tape or technique? Everything cameout OK and the blank is nicely wrapped - and straight. I use masking tape for just over 1 revolution starting on spline #1, then slit the tape between spline #6 and #1, lay it out, glue it, roll it backup and proceed to the wrapper. Tape is 1/4" wide and applied about every12" to 18". One thought that has come to me is - what if the tape was left on and just bound over? Would it interfere with binding and perhaps cause open joints? Your tips and thoughts? Thanks,Kurt ClementNixa, MO from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Jan 11 10:46:05 2002 g0BGk4W17563 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:46:04 -0600 g0BGk2A26978 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:46:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks When I use the Garrison binder for binding to Heat Treat, the tapeis wrapped opposite to the rotation of the blank in the binder. Afolded tape tab is left on the tape that is wrapped around thesticks. When cranking the blank through the binder and the tape getsclose to the belt, hold the tab and keep cranking. The tape willroll off as you turn the blank.The tab was left at the slit in the tape so that the tape would comeoff in one strip.I used to do the same when gluing before I got the four stringbinder. Now I leave a tab, it makes it easy to grab and unwrap.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Brad Love wrote: Well I have left the tape on (by oversight) and the sectionin question came out acceptable. I only tape in three places,either end and the center of the section using 1/2 wide tape.I also keep an exatco knife and blade at the binder for cuttingthread and helping in the removal of the tape. I try to removethe tape when it is being supported by the first set of craddleson the binder(I use a Garrison style). Brad *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/11/02 at 8:29 AM jerryy@webtv.net wrote:. I keep an old bodkin handy and use the needle to start unwrapping at the corner of the slit. from rmoon@ida.net Fri Jan 11 11:09:12 2002 g0BH9BW18904 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:09:12 -0600 Subject: Stuck ferrule ??? My wife has arthritis, and sometimes her joints get really aching, andshe has a little device that really helps. Last summer, mygranddaughter used her Grandma's GRAPHITE rod and seated it so tightthat I was unable to separate it. Now I have been known to take a yearon stuck ferrules. My thinking is that sooner or later they will giveup and I will triumph. No way on this rod. So SWMBLT (she who must belistened to) said why not try heat. I was a little reluctant to grabmy propane torch and sat there pondering for a half hour on what Ishould use. Along came pat and suggested I use her little arthritisreliever. Presto in 30 seconds with NO effort the ferrules separated.What is the gimmick? A little bag 1 1/2 inches by 4 inches filledwith rice. Stick in the microwave for a bit and out it comes. not toohot, but hot enough and it retains the hear. You know she even gets meout of computer hang-ups as well. It works even better on metalferrules. from jvswan@earthlink.net Fri Jan 11 11:37:39 2002 g0BHbcW20705 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:37:38 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108Subject: Good wood free Hi, I just found a gem. Most of you probably already know about this, but forthose of you who buy wood for reel seats and stuff, take a look at localcustom cabinet places. I just found a guy here in town who makes cabinetdoors for the half dozen or so custom cabinet places in town. That's all hedoes and he has a lot of scrap. Most of his scrap is too small for typicaljobs, but just right for reel seat spacers (and hard wood fly boxes). Hehas tons of oak, and often you can find maple, walnut, and cherry. Sinceit's all scrap, he just lets it go. No cost. So, if anyone is looking, getto know one of these guys. Jason from jvswan@earthlink.net Fri Jan 11 11:37:53 2002 g0BHbqW20722 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:37:53 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108Subject: Router setup question Hi all, I have a quick question about the router setup for making reel seat inserts.I have a nice table and a Makita plunge router. However, I was thinking itmight be a good idea to get a fixed base router that I can leave set up onthe table so I can keep using my plunge router for other stuff. I waswondering if a 1 hp router (25,000 rpm) would have enough stuff to workhardwood like walnut and maple. I don't want to get to expensive if I purchasea router specifically for the table, but I want to make sure it will do thejob without chattering or burning. Will the 1 hp do it? Jason from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Jan 11 11:52:16 2002 g0BHqGW21818 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:52:16 -0600 g0BHqEA06028 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:52:14 -0600 Subject: Re: Router setup question Jason.I am using the 19.99 Trim Router from Harbor freight. It works as good asmy100.00 router worked.Would be glad to send you a shot of my setup.It is a dedicated setup on a 5.00 yard sale router table. Ready to use when Iamready to use it.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jason Swan wrote: Hi all, I have a quick question about the router setup for making reel seatinserts.I have a nice table and a Makita plunge router. However, I was thinking itmight be a good idea to get a fixed base router that I can leave set up onthe table so I can keep using my plunge router for other stuff. I waswondering if a 1 hp router (25,000 rpm) would have enough stuff to workhardwood like walnut and maple. I don't want to get to expensive if I purchasea router specifically for the table, but I want to make sure it will do thejob without chattering or burning. Will the 1 hp do it? Jason from caneman@clnk.com Fri Jan 11 12:36:13 2002 g0BIaCW23785 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:36:12 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Router table setup hint I know many of you use router tables and we all eventually have to changebits out... hardest part about that is setting the bit depth so that it'sperfectly centered after changing. Well, the first time I changed bits, Iwasted a few pieces of round trying to get my bit set right... here's what Idid. When I finally got the bit set to the right depth, I milled depthguage out of aluminum so that when i replaced the bit, I just set the top ofthe new bit exactly the heigth of the old bit. No guesswork this way and nofighting the adjustment after you change bits. Of course, you have to usethe same brand and style bits every time. I actually have two guages, one Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Router setup question Jason.I am using the 19.99 Trim Router from Harbor freight. It works as good as my 100.00 router worked.Would be glad to send you a shot of my setup.It is a dedicated setup on a 5.00 yard sale router table. Ready to use when I am ready to use it.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jason Swan wrote: Hi all, I have a quick question about the router setup for making reel seat inserts. I have a nice table and a Makita plunge router. However, I was thinking it might be a good idea to get a fixed base router that I can leave set up on the table so I can keep using my plunge router for other stuff. I waswondering if a 1 hp router (25,000 rpm) would have enough stuff to work hard wood like walnut and maple. I don't want to get to expensive if I purchase a router specifically for the table, but I want to make sure it will do the job without chattering or burning. Will the 1 hp do it? Jason from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Jan 11 13:53:48 2002 g0BJrlW27365 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:53:47 -0600 g0BJrjA29969 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:53:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Router table setup hint If you don't have a aluminum gauge made up just use a insert that has therightmortise on it. It takes a bit more setup than Bobs gauge.Just slip the insert on the mandrill and the mandrill holding blocks and work itto where the bit and insert fit together as a match.Bob's Gauge is a lot better if you can get one made. I guess one can be made from hardwood.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Bob Nunley wrote: I know many of you use router tables and we all eventually have to changebits out... hardest part about that is setting the bit depth so that it'sperfectly centered after changing. Well, the first time I changed bits, Iwasted a few pieces of round trying to get my bit set right... here's what Idid. When I finally got the bit set to the right depth, I milled depthguage out of aluminum so that when i replaced the bit, I just set the top ofthe new bit exactly the heigth of the old bit. No guesswork this way and nofighting the adjustment after you change bits. Of course, you have to usethe same brand and style bits every time. I actually have two guages, one Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Tony Spezio" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 11:49 AMSubject: Re: Router setup question Jason.I am using the 19.99 Trim Router from Harbor freight. It works as goodas my 100.00 router worked.Would be glad to send you a shot of my setup.It is a dedicated setup on a 5.00 yard sale router table. Ready to use when I am ready to use it.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jason Swan wrote: Hi all, I have a quick question about the router setup for making reel seat inserts. I have a nice table and a Makita plunge router. However, I was thinking it might be a good idea to get a fixed base router that I can leave set up on the table so I can keep using my plunge router for other stuff. I waswondering if a 1 hp router (25,000 rpm) would have enough stuff towork hard wood like walnut and maple. I don't want to get to expensive if I purchase a router specifically for the table, but I want to make sure it will do the job without chattering or burning. Will the 1 hp do it? Jason from rkrees@mcn.net Fri Jan 11 15:03:00 2002 g0BL2xW01055 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:02:59 -0600 helo=rkrees.mcn.net) id 16P8pE-0003Xb-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:02:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Router table setup hint What I did is to run a piece of waste hardwood through the table saw at theproper depth and drilled a whole the shank size plus one on center, then Icut the block in half and use these for gages. I have these for manydifferent set ups! from fquinchat@locl.net Fri Jan 11 15:17:05 2002 g0BLH5W01808 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:17:05 -0600 Subject: Superglue accelerator Where can you buy superglue accelerator? Hardwares and Lowes don't seemtohave it. Dennis Bertram from jojo@ipa.net Fri Jan 11 15:23:17 2002 g0BLNGW02364 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:23:16 -0600 helo=default) id 16P98s-00014U-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:23:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Superglue accelerator A Hobby Shop. It's a type of Freon. M-D Where can you buy superglue accelerator? Hardwares and Lowes don'tseem to have it. Dennis Bertram from caneman@clnk.com Fri Jan 11 15:28:39 2002 g0BLScW02883 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:28:38 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Superglue accelerator Grizzly also has it in their catalog. New 2002 catalog, page 247, part #H0928, 2 oz. bottle for $4.95. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Superglue accelerator Where can you buy superglue accelerator? Hardwares and Lowes don'tseem to have it. Dennis Bertram from saweiss@flash.net Fri Jan 11 15:47:02 2002 g0BLl1W03980 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:47:01 -0600 g0BLktl248754 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:46:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Superglue accelerator Organization: Prodigy Internet I got mine at a flyshop. It's called "Zipkicker".Steve Where can you buy superglue accelerator? Hardwares and Lowes don'tseem to have it. Dennis Bertram from fiveside@net-gate.com Fri Jan 11 16:31:33 2002 g0BMVUW05874 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:31:30 -0600 Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks Kurt, I use 3 tapes only on a 48" section - 4 on a 56" section with all 1/2" =wide masking tape. There is always some of the glue that seems to stick =somewhere. You "might" get some between the strips hence removal is =prudent. catch ya' Don At 07:08 AM 1/11/02 -0500, Kurt Clement wrote:After struggling to get a blank wrapped last night before the Gorilla =PU set up, I was wondering is there a better way to get the tape off the =blank while binding, or is there a better tape or technique? Everything = I use masking tape for just over 1 revolution starting on spline #1, =then slit the tape between spline #6 and #1, lay it out, glue it, roll =it back up and proceed to the wrapper. Tape is 1/4" wide and applied = One thought that has come to me is - what if the tape was left on and =just bound over? Would it interfere with binding and perhaps cause open = Your tips and thoughts? Kurt ClementNixa, MO To the List,Try the wire-based tie wraps that your wife brings home from the =supermarket. They come off easily. Bill ----- Original Message ----- & Sandy Andersen Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 = AM blanks Kurt,I use 3 tapes only on a 48" section - 4 on a 56" = with all 1/2" wide masking tape. There is always some of the glue that = to stick somewhere. You "might" get some between the strips hence = prudent.catch ya'DonAt 07:08 AM1/11/02 = before the Gorilla PU set up, I was wondering is there a better way to = tape off the blank while binding, or is there a better tape or = Everything came out OK and the blank is nicely wrapped - and straight. = spline #1, then slit the tape between spline #6 and #1, lay it out, = roll it back up and proceed to the wrapper. Tape is 1/4" wide and = what if the tape was left on and just bound over? Would it interfere = To the List, Bill from rcurry@ttlc.net Fri Jan 11 16:33:39 2002 g0BMXcW06065 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:33:38 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Mike Montagne speaks out All, I was fortunate enough to get a lengthy interview with Mike Montagne (a great guy). You may remember the writeup Schwiebert did on his rods in "Trout" (its in my Extracts). A lengthy interview with Mike on his design philopophies can be found on my website under "Articles". Very meaty, enjoy.-- Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ >FromHomeyDKlown@att.net Fri Jan 11 18:08:22 2002 Received: frommtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127- ;Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:08:11 +0000 From: "Dennis Haftel" Subject: RE: Mike Montagne speaks out Date:Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:11:41 - 0500 Message-ID: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Reed, Excellent work, asusual. Thanks! Dennis -----Original Message----- From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Reed Curry Sent: Friday, January fortunate enough to get a lengthy interview with Mike Montagne ( a greatguy). You may remember the writeup Schwiebert did on his rods in "Trout"(its in my Extracts). A lengthy interview with Mike on his design philopophiescan be found on my website under "Articles". Very meaty, enjoy.- - Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ >Fromdnorl@qwest.net Fri Jan 11 19:06:26 2002 Received: from g0C16PW10585 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 Jan 2002 01:06:23 -0000 Received: frommplsdslgw11poolb106.mpls.uswest.net (HELO computer) (63.228.45.106) by Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:06:50 -0600 Message-ID:From: "Dave Norling" Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hobby stores do ----- Original Date: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:17 PMSubject: Superglue accelerator Where can you buy superglue accelerator? Hardwares and Lowes don'tseem tohave it. Dennis Bertram from lkoeser@ceva.net Fri Jan 11 19:08:32 2002 g0C18RW10686 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:08:27 -0600 Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:00:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Tape on glued-up blanks Wayne C., shows in his book putting one wrap of tape around the strips andmaking a tab with the ends of the tape. These become something to grabwhenbinding the glued blank. It works for me.Lee----- Original Message --- -- Subject: Tape on glued-up blanks After struggling to get a blank wrapped last night before the Gorilla PU set up, I was wondering is there a better way to get the tape off the blankwhile binding, or is there a better tape or technique? Everything cameout OK and the blank is nicely wrapped - and straight. I use masking tape for just over 1 revolution starting on spline #1, then slit the tape between spline #6 and #1, lay it out, glue it, roll it backup and proceed to the wrapper. Tape is 1/4" wide and applied about every12" to 18". One thought that has come to me is - what if the tape was left on and just bound over? Would it interfere with binding and perhaps cause open joints? Your tips and thoughts? Thanks,Kurt ClementNixa, MO from bob@downandacross.com Fri Jan 11 20:04:57 2002 g0C24uW12025 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:04:56 -0600 Subject: RE: Mike Montagne speaks out Dear Reed:Thanks for sharing the wonderful article. My head hurts now, and I am goingnumb from the shoulders up. (I really liked looking at the pictures).All kidding aside, what did he do to get straight blanks? I got lost there.I think he stated that his beveller could cut any sort of bent up strip, buthow did he get them glued up straight?The part about Per Brandin and the beveller was hilarious. I wonder what Perwould do to a snooper at his shop. Probably pistol whip the guy with a twohanded, hollow built 13 wt.I think Michael Montagne and Bob Milward should get together and see whoscores higher on the Mensa test. First all the Sam Carlson info and nowthis. You are becoming the leading quadrate authority. Wow.Thanks a million,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Mike Montagne speaks out All, I was fortunate enough to get a lengthy interview with MikeMontagne ( agreat guy). You may remember the writeup Schwiebert did on his rods in"Trout" (its in my Extracts). A lengthy interview with Mike on his design philopophiescan be found onmy website under "Articles". Very meaty, enjoy.--Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from channer@frontier.net Fri Jan 11 21:10:43 2002 g0C3AgW13294 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:10:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Mike Montagne speaks out Reed;Please tell me this is just the first installment!!!!!!!Get the wholestory, minute by minute, from the first time he even considered buildinga rod up until he walked away from it for the last time. This was THEmost fascinating article I have ever read, but what a teaser! john Reed Curry wrote: All,I was fortunate enough to get a lengthy interview with Mike Montagne ( agreat guy). You may remember the writeup Schwiebert did on his rods in"Trout" (its in my Extracts).A lengthy interview with Mike on his design philopophies can be found onmy website under "Articles". Very meaty, enjoy.- -Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sat Jan 12 00:16:19 2002 g0C6GIW29170 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:16:18 -0600 helo=g2t8c9) id 16PHSd-000159-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:16:11 -0800 Subject: Re: any new thoughts on glued-up blanks? No hanging blanks here, no straightening either.I let my blanks dry in the forms correctly adjusted to do so and let dry.Presto Perfect! Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: any new thoughts on glued-up blanks? How about a survey of group members on how they hang glued up blanksAND how much straightening is required afterwards? Thanks, dws. from ajthramer@hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 03:41:35 2002 g0C9fXW03153 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:41:33 -0600 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:41:27 -0800 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:41:27 GMT Subject: Re: Mike Montagne speaks out FILETIME=[4EAC8240:01C19B4D] Fascinating article. I think it is time to attack a simple problem such as the construction of a thermonuculear device! I have to agree with the comments about computer tapers though, it is apparent that 'something' is missing when the tapers are reengineered that way. I have cast goodcomputer tapers but never a great one. Fortunately most end users can't tell the difference. My conclusion about the design of tapers by many of the old masters is that they knew what they wanted the rod to do(fast, slow, tip action, evenly loading action, etc.) then picked out the ferrule sizes they knew would do what needed to be done and filled in the rod in between. A fast 5wt 8ft rod would have a 14 ferrule at about .210-.214 .068 -.072 tip and a .300-.320 but before the swell, slow full working 5 .200-.205 ferrule, about a .066 tip and a .290 butt a med fast 4 would be .190 at the ferrule .066 - .068 tip and a 280-290 butt . What happens in between , barring something weird isn't all that important. Is M.M. still building? It seems a waste of his obvious talent if he is no longer building.A.J. From: channer CC: rod Subject: Re: Mike Montagne speaks outDate: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:13:32 -0700 Reed;Please tell me this is just the first installment!!!!!!!Get the wholestory, minute by minute, from the first time he even considered buildinga rod up until he walked away from it for the last time. This was THEmost fascinating article I have ever read, but what a teaser!john Reed Curry wrote: All,I was fortunate enough to get a lengthy interview with Mike Montagne ( a great guy). You may remember the writeup Schwiebert did on his rods in"Trout" (its in my Extracts).A lengthy interview with Mike on his design philopophies can be found on my website under "Articles". Very meaty, enjoy.--Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Sat Jan 12 04:48:08 2002 g0CAm7W03866 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:48:07 - for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:48:48 GMT Subject: Darryl Hayashida I wanted to quickly thank everyone who answered my questions re.contactingDarryl Hayashida via his email alternatives, and the selection of acollection agency. VERY interesting. Lots of old friends have piped up, and I think there is now a possibilitythat my problem has been solved, and/or that if it isn't I have an excellentroute to getting it solved. I now have contact with a collection agency inCalifornia, and have also taken note of the idea that I might also look atthe Morgan Mill list. It means that I may soon be able to send 105 mailscollected over several years, to the trash can. It's very interesting to find that others share one's concerns, andfeelings, and are very keen to compare notes. I wish I'd asked for the List's help on this ages ago. This is a very powerful medium. A well-read new contact in The States reminded me of the story of SirAnthony Blunt. Sir Anthony was the Queen's advisor on fine art, and a notedexpert. Late in life he was discovered to be an absolute rat-bag of acharacter, who had conspired with other spies to sell British and Americansecrets to the Russians. Sir Anthony certainly knew a great deal aboutItalian master's paintings, but he was really a deeply faulted person willlittle conscience, and only a deeply-deluded personal view of what was true.Some said he was slightly mad. Anyway, Sir Anthony's Knighthood was takenaway by the Queen, and he died some years later as plain old Mr Blunt. TheQueen was deeply saddened by the revelations, because she had liked andtrusted her old advisor, and felt betrayed by his unconscionable behaviour. With apologies to all for taking space, and for writing in code. Listmembers who know me of old will realize that I have not taken the liberty ofusing list space without good reason. Hopefully, this will be the last time I need to mention the subject. I hopelist members will read with interest, but I suspect that most will feel thatfurther replies on-list are inappropriate. Again, thank-you everyone. Best wishes to all. John Cooper Normal0DocumentEmail I wanted to quickly thank everyone who answered my questions re. =contactingDarryl Hayashida via his email alternatives, and the selection of a =collectionagency. VERY interesting. Lots of old friends have piped up, and I think there is now apossibility that my problem has been solved, and/or that if it =isn’t I have an I now have contact with a collection agency in California, and =have alsotaken note of the idea that I might also look at the Morgan Mill list. =It meansthat I may soon be able to send 105 mails collected over several years, =to thetrash can. It’s very interesting to find that others share one’s =concerns, andfeelings, and are very keen to compare notes. I wish I’d asked for =the List’shelp on this ages ago. This is a very powerful =medium. A well-read new contact in The States reminded me of the story of =SirAnthony Blunt. Sir Anthony was the Queen’s advisor on fine art, =and a notedexpert. Late in life he was discovered to be an absolute rat-bag of acharacter, who had conspired with other spies to sell British and =Americansecrets to the Russians. Sir Anthony certainly knew a great deal about =Italianmaster’s paintings, but he was really a deeply faulted person will =littleconscience, and only a deeply-deluded personal view of what was true. =Some saidhe was slightly mad. Anyway, Sir Anthony’s Knighthood was taken =away by theQueen, and he died some years later as plain old Mr Blunt. The Queen was =deeplysaddened by the revelations, because she had liked and trusted her old =advisor,and felt betrayed by his unconscionable =behaviour. With apologies to all for taking space, and for writing in code. =List memberswho know me of old will realize that I have not taken the liberty of =using listspace without good reason. Hopefully, this will be the last time I need to mention the =subject. Ihope list members will read with interest, but I suspect that most will =feelthat further replies on-list are =inappropriate. -Don D ----- Original Message ----- From: Coffey, Patrick W Sent: Saturday, January 12, 200211:46 AMSubject: RE: Apologies to the list Darryl, you don't owe any of us an apology,if some one has a personal beef with you, that doesn't effect us and should nothave been brought up on the list. This is kind of a family and families can't all get along all the time, squabbles come up from time to time. Shit happens!!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident RepairPlanning Phone: 425-234- 61-79 -----Original Message-----From: Saturday, January 12, 2002 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Apologies to thelistYes, this is a matter that never should havemade it on the list.Rather than giving a rebuttal here, I will let the matter drop as far as the list is concerned.You all have my most sincere apologies.Darryl Hayashida from jerryy@webtv.net Sat Jan 12 15:08:09 2002 g0CL88W19746 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:08:08 -0600 by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with 2111.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA13168; ETAuAhUAnvj0EH16y8D83dkqhBCDaml/uocCFQCCIt2b+lfZKlX87Z6FBxYhFps/tg== Subject: Re: nymph rod taper 12 Jan 2002 16:07:33 -0500 I have five of his catalogs covering most periods and no mention of it.He did offer the choice of two reel seats. The Perfection @ 2 1/2 oz.with a heavier reel seat may help explain it. Know he did a lot ofexperimenting. Recently had a shock when a friend had a P.H.Y. with aperson's name inked on the rod in quotes. I thought boy here's a newmodel. Checking proved that it was actually a Para-15 and the name wasP.H.Y.'s next door neighbor when he lived in Detriot, and had been agift. Jerry Young from carstenjorgensen@mail.dk Sat Jan 12 15:26:02 2002 g0CLQ1W20276 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:26:01 -0600 Subject: Re: nymph rod taper g0CLQ2W20277 But there is a rod called the Nymph Jr. rod.Says so in my PHY 56 catalog on page 26.Now comes the mysterious part: On page 4there is a list of 2 piece flyrods, which equalsthe rods described further on in the catalog,except the Nymph Jr. Does that mean thatthe Nymph Jr. is a 3 pcs. rod? Probably notas on page 30 there is a list of 3 pcs. rods,4 in all, 9 and 9 1/2 feet rods. We have a mystery onOur hands, I think. regards, carsten from rextutor@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 15:28:35 2002 g0CLSZW20484 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:28:35 -0600 12 Jan 2002 13:28:34 PST Subject: Weber rod - heard of these ? I have seen my first Weber rod today. Never heard ofthem. Anyone got some insight ? Looks like aproduction rod but casts fair. Needs straighten atmid. I see it associated with Edwards; EW Edwards made Weber at http://www.vfish.net/gallery.htm and at another site associated withHeddon . TIA __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from caneman@clnk.com Sat Jan 12 16:38:25 2002 g0CMcPW22016 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:38:25 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Weber rod - heard of these ? Rex,Weber was in Stevens Point, WI. They made bamboo rods, all between 8and10 feet along and all three piecers. They started up business in 1919,founded by O.L. Weber. IN 1927, they built a new plant to accomodate newlines picked up by their buying Ross Artificial Fly Compalny andKinnickinnic Tackle Company.Bob Becker, a well reknowned flyfisher of the early third of the 20thcentury was more or less their spokesman. Many rods were sold that hadtagswith Mr. Beckers picture on them. These rods were "matched sets" selectedbyBecker as a complete outfit, rod, rell and line.All of the above info is paraphrased from Michael Sinclair's book,"Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook". I can email you more details later ifyou want. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Weber rod - heard of these ? I have seen my first Weber rod today. Never heard ofthem. Anyone got some insight ? Looks like aproduction rod but casts fair. Needs straighten atmid. I see it associated with Edwards;EW Edwards made Weber athttp://www.vfish.net/gallery.htmand at another site associated with Heddon .TIA __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from tedknott@cogeco.ca Sat Jan 12 16:55:59 2002 g0CMtwW22491 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:55:58 -0600 "RodMakers Listserve" Subject: Re: Weber rod - heard of these ? My 1937 Weber Catalog shows four fly rod models:#3500 Henshall Masterkraft, $35#2500 Henshall Handkraft, $25#1500 Monogram, $15.Weber Initiator, $12 Each model was available only as 3 piece rods with an extra tip, and inlengths of 8', 8' 6",9', and 9' 6" from tedknott@cogeco.ca Sat Jan 12 17:01:03 2002 g0CN12W22805 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:01:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Gene Edwards rod tapers? I have detailed measurements of a Gene Edwards Deluxe, 3 piece, 8' 6" rodthat I owned at one time. There is too much detail to post unless you wantonly the taper. Send me your address off list and I will mail you aphotocopy from horsesho@ptd.net Sat Jan 12 17:23:23 2002 g0CNNMW23378 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:23:22 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4179. . Clean. Processed in 3.408189 secs); 12 Jan 200223:23:18 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: P&M Parabolic Royale 7`4" #5 thread needed Hi Carsten, I have a P&M 7'2" #4/5. Are you sure it's 7'4"? Marty Carsten Jorgensen wrote: Have this afternoon recieved the above rod for repair. A newtip is needed, as the original had an incident involving a car. So, friends, I need the taper as the last 10 inches of the tip is missing.Furthermore the thread used on the rod is a copperish, metallic thread,probably a Gudebrod 9396???? If anyone has any info, or, indeed,a spool of the right thread, please do contact me. regards, carsten jorgensenwww.daniaflyrods.com from horsesho@ptd.net Sat Jan 12 17:28:07 2002 g0CNS6W23685 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:28:06 -0600 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4179. . Clean. Processed in 3.108903 secs); 12 Jan 200223:10:43 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Weber rod - heard of these ? Weber Lifelike Fly Co. was a large and long lived tackle house in I believe Wisconsin. Most rods are Heddon's but a few are Edwards(I have one) or Phillipson. Marty Rex Tutor wrote: I have seen my first Weber rod today. Never heard ofthem. Anyone got some insight ? Looks like aproduction rod but casts fair. Needs straighten atmid. I see it associated with Edwards; EW Edwards made Weber at http://www.vfish.net/gallery.htm >and at another site associated withHeddon . TIA __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from channer@frontier.net Sat Jan 12 17:31:22 2002 g0CNVKW23941 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:31:20 -0600 Subject: Re: Weber rod - heard of these ? Rex;Most of the Weber rods were made by Heddon, tho I have heard rumorsthat Edwards made some,too.john Rex Tutor wrote: I have seen my first Weber rod today. Never heard ofthem. Anyone got some insight ? Looks like aproduction rod but casts fair. Needs straighten atmid. I see it associated with Edwards;EW Edwards made Weber athttp://www.vfish.net/gallery.htmand at another site associated with Heddon .TIA __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from edriddle@mindspring.com Sat Jan 12 17:50:35 2002 g0CNoYW24516 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:50:34 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16PXuy-0003gM-00; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:50:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Weber rod - heard of these ? Rex:According to Sinclair's "Heddon" book, the first rods sold by Weber appearedin the late '20's and were made by E. W. Edwards. The trade name for thehigh grade was Henshall Hand Made, lower grade Weber's Special. Heddon began making rods for Weber about 1935. By 1938, Weber had thefollowing rods Heddon-Made. #3500 Henshall Mastercraft was top end,equivalent to Heddon #35, next was #2500 Henshall Handkraft (Heddon#20),then Monogram (H#17), Weberkraft (#14) and Water-Witch (#10). Thisfrompgs. 160-162 of the book. More info found there including wrap colors.I'll provide more if requested.Ed----- Original Message ----- Subject: Weber rod - heard of these ? I have seen my first Weber rod today. Never heard ofthem. Anyone got some insight ? Looks like aproduction rod but casts fair. Needs straighten atmid. I see it associated with Edwards;EW Edwards made Weber athttp://www.vfish.net/gallery.htmand at another site associated with Heddon .TIA __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from flyfish@defnet.com Sat Jan 12 18:34:29 2002 g0D0YSW25493 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:34:28 -0600 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:34:26 -0500 Subject: Thanks for everything!!! Hi listSorry to take up space. It's been a while since I last wrote to the =list.I haven't had time to contribute lately. I wanted to thank everyone on =the list for helping me out to become a better rod maker. And I hope I = I know I contributed to the antics LOL:))I have just decided to go back to college (full time) at age 36.It's a little overwhelming and I wish I would have not quit college when =I was younger.:)Who knows, maybe they might even teach me to spell. LOL :))Anyway, I've made a lot of friends and a few enemy's along the way, but = I'm sorry if anyone wrote me recently and I haven't answered. It was not =intentional.:)I am going to sign off list Monday (sadly) but if anyone needs to =contact me I can still be reached by email. Once again thanks for all =the laughs , stories ,information and camaraderie.Hopefully I can come back when things slow down a little. www.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.htmlP.S. Adam, one last movie quote: "Back to school, back to school, to =show my wife I'm not a fool"LOL :)) :)) BODY { BACKGROUND-POSITION: left top; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; =BACKGROUND-REPEAT: no-repeat; FONT-FAMILY: Garamond MT} Hi list list. everyone on the list for helping me out to become a better rod maker. = I have just decided to go back to college (full time) at age =36. :)) not intentional.:) little.Sincerely www.homestead.com/= show my wife I'm not a fool"LOL :)) :)) from dnorl@qwest.net Sat Jan 12 18:36:24 2002 g0D0aNW25730 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:36:23 -0600 (63.228.45.28) Subject: Darryl Hayashida Have always been interested in what Darryl has to say. He is truly an =innovator. I've never had an original thought in my life and therefore =am amazed at his innovative, daring and creative mind. If Mr.. Window =with his transparent message thinks that this will change my mind about =Darryl he is wrong. I have however changed my mind about Mr.. Window he =has told me more about himself than he has about Darryl.Love Ya Darryl,Dave Have always been interested inwhat = to say. He is truly an innovator. I've never had an original thought in = and therefore am amazed at his innovative, daring and creative mind. If = Window with his transparent message thinks that this will change my mind = Darryl he is wrong. I have however changed my mind about Mr.. Window he = me more about himself than he has about Darryl.Love Ya Darryl,Dave from flytyr@southshore.com Sat Jan 12 18:39:40 2002 g0D0ddW26009 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:39:39 -0600 g0D0daa20011 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:39:37 -0600 Subject: Re: Weber rod - heard of these ? I have a Webber that is in sad shape. It still has mostof the decal on it though.Some day I may restore it.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Rex Tutor wrote: I have seen my first Weber rod today. Never heard ofthem. Anyone got some insight ? Looks like aproduction rod but casts fair. Needs straighten atmid. I see it associated with Edwards;EW Edwards made Weber athttp://www.vfish.net/gallery.htmand at another site associated with Heddon .TIA __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from FlyfishT@aol.com Sat Jan 12 19:14:55 2002 g0D1ErW26875 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:14:53 -0600 Subject: Re: nymph rod taper Hi Shawn, Jerry, I Have a repro 1956 P Y catalog. On page 26, it speaks of the nymph jr as the offspring to the Daddy 9' nymph special . Maybe, as Carsten said, it is a mystery rod. Or maybe it's the same rod taper but with a different name? Someone out there should know. Thanks, Tom from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 12 19:56:09 2002 g0D1u8W27675 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:56:08 -0600 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:57:23 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Thanks for everything!!! --------------C9284BDB8025071195C04B50 Tony,best of luck! Your messages and input will be missed by myselfand I'm sure a majority of the list.I finished up high school in my early 30's so I can relate toyour apprehension over going back to college. It's a big step but,personally I feel it was one of my biggest accomplishments to date.Drop us a line when you get a chance,Shawn Tony Miller wrote: Hi listSorry to take up space. It's been a while since I last wrote tothe list.I haven't had time to contribute lately. I wanted to thankeveryone on the list for helping me out to become a better rod maker.And I hope I contributed something along the way too.I know Icontributed to the antics LOL:))I have just decided to go back tocollege (full time) at age 36.It's a little overwhelming and I wish Iwould have not quit college when I was younger.:)Who knows, maybe theymight even teach me to spell. LOL :))Anyway, I've made a lot offriends and a few enemy's along the way, but the time on the list waswell spent.I'm sorry if anyone wrote me recently and I haven'tanswered. It was not intentional.:)I am going to sign off list Monday(sadly) but if anyone needs to contact me I can still be reached byemail. Once again thanks for all the laughs , stories ,information andcamaraderie.Hopefully I can come back when things slow down alittle.SincerelyTony Millerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.htmlP.S. Adam, one last movie quote: "Back to school, back to school, toshow my wife I'm not a fool"LOL :)) :)) --------------C9284BDB8025071195C04B50 Tony, messages and input will be missed by myself and I'm sure a majority ofthe list. school in my early 30's so I can relate to your apprehension over goingback to college. It's a big step but, personally I feel it was one of mybiggest accomplishments to date. get a chance, ShawnTony Miller wrote:BODY { BACKGROUND-POSITION: left top; FONT- SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000;BACKGROUND-REPEAT: no-repeat; FONT-FAMILY: Garamond MT} HilistSorry to take up space. It's been a while since I last wrote to the everyone on the list for helping me out to become a better rod maker. AndI hope I contributed something along the way too.I know I contributed tothe antics LOL:))I have just decided to go back to college (full time)at age 36.It's a little overwhelming and I wish I would have not quit collegewhen I was younger.:)Who knows, maybe they might even teach me to spell.LOL :))Anyway, I've made a lot of friends and a few enemy's along the way,but the time on the list was well spent.I'm sorry if anyone wrote me recentlyand I haven't answered. It was not intentional.:)I am going to sign offlist Monday (sadly) but if anyone needs to contact me I can still be reached camaraderie.Hopefully I can come back when things slow down alittle.SincerelyTonyMillerwww.homestead.com/bambooshop/home.html to show my wife I'm not a fool"LOL :)) :)) --------------C9284BDB8025071195C04B50-- from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Jan 12 19:59:16 2002 g0D1xFW27927 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:59:15 -0600 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:00:30 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: nymph rod taper Wish George was still with us, he'd know!!Shawn FlyfishT@aol.com wrote: Hi Shawn, Jerry, I Have a repro 1956 P Y catalog. On page 26, it speaks of the nymph jr astheoffspring to the Daddy 9' nymph special . Maybe, as Carsten said, it is amystery rod. Or maybe it's the same rod taper but with a different name?Someone out there should know. Thanks, Tom from fquinchat@locl.net Sat Jan 12 20:39:52 2002 g0D2dpW28862 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:39:51 -0600 Subject: Re: Chris Bogart E-mail. Marco, I believe there is one of your tapers mentioned in the Milward book. I notethat it has a concave taper. Would you tell us a little about the designtheory. Dennis Bertram-----Original Message----- Subject: Chris Bogart E-mail. Dear Friends,I lost the e-amil address of Mr. Chris Bogart, can anyone help about the.Sincerely,Marco Boretti from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 23:13:30 2002 g0D5DUW01195 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:13:30 -0600 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:13:24 -0800 Subject: Re: The Madison binder FILETIME=[06C1EAC0:01C19BF1] After messing with my Garrison binder for months, I have finally figured outa superior method for binding that I would like to share. I do it by hand,but I have my daughter help me. I begin wrapping by hand at the butt, andafter about a foot she steps in and rotates the blank for me, and providesmost of the "turning power". I also turn the blank, but concentrate ongetting even wraps, supporting the rod, and making sure that everything isbeing bound into place properly. The beauty of this system is that it seems to eliminate virtually everyproblem I had in binding. No twisting, the blank comes out straight, nodanger of breaking anything, and there is no physical or psychologicalstress. She has caught on quickly how to adjust the angle of the blank tokeep the binding going smoothly. It has become a Saturday morning ritual(Maddie, get down here, we need to glue up some rods!). I stumbled across this only in extemis. I was binding a tip by hand, and gota serious cramp in my hand. I called her over for help, and it worked sowell we decided to try it again. The only drawback to this method is thatshe will eventually grow up and I will have to make a Milward binder. jeff schaeffer from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 23:20:16 2002 g0D5KFW01518 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:20:15 -0600 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:20:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Lost rod tapers FILETIME=[F8893610:01C19BF1] The mystery nymph rod brings to mind a question: there are obviously a lotof rods out there that are not being made- the large selection in the PaulYoung catalog makes this point. Buy why are they not being made? Is itbecause they were not as good as the Para 15, Midge, Perfectionist, Driggs,and Smidgeon (the ones that seem to be popular on the list)? Or have thesetapers been lost because none of these rods survived to be measured? Jeff Schaeffer from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Sun Jan 13 04:39:31 2002 g0DAdUW04580 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:39:30 - Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:39:24 +0000 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: nymph rod taper tis true ! Shawn Pineo wrote: Wish George was still with us, he'd know!!Shawn FlyfishT@aol.com wrote: Hi Shawn, Jerry, I Have a repro 1956 P Y catalog. On page 26, it speaks of the nymph jr astheoffspring to the Daddy 9' nymph special . Maybe, as Carsten said, it is amystery rod. Or maybe it's the same rod taper but with a differentname?Someone out there should know. Thanks, Tom from carstenjorgensen@mail.dk Sun Jan 13 05:49:26 2002 g0DBnOW05220 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:49:24 - Subject: test - delete type="multipart/alternative"; just testingwww.daniaflyrods.com - splitcane flyrods for the discerning fisherman BODY { BACKGROUND-POSITION: left top; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN- LEFT:125px; =COLOR: #800000; BACKGROUND-REPEAT: no-repeat; FONT- FAMILY: Arial} just testingwww.daniaflyrods.com - = flyrods for the discerning fisherman Subject: Re: Mike Montagne speaks out This totally blew my mind... great article. Thank you, Reed. I can't wait This guy is clearly in a class by himself. His rod design theory, and subsequent development of the "optimal" casting rod, is more than I can bear... I MUST find out this taper and how he did it! Talk of computer design... he used physics to design his rod, developed a mathematical model interesting that he says he built the rod just to prove out the design! His other statement was interesting when he says that according to the laws of physics there is one superior taper (regardless of pesonal taste)! I do think he is a little harsh on Garrison. I don't have the book (yet) but my understanding is that Garrison used a static design to generate hisstress curves... he used a bridge design model for fly rods. I don't think Garrison claimed he developed this model to characterize the dynamic forces of casting, rather his static model is used for taper design only. Some of you engineers out there are going to have to figure this one out for all of us! Kyle In a message dated 01/11/2002 2:33:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, rcurry@ttlc.net writes: All,I was fortunate enough to get a lengthy interview with Mike Montagne ( a great guy). You may remember the writeup Schwiebert did on his rods in "Trout" (its in my Extracts).A lengthy interview with Mike on his design philopophies can be found on my website under "Articles". Very meaty, enjoy.-- Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/--------------------- -- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa01.mx.aol.com (rly-xa01.mail.aol.com 0111173359; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:33:59 1900 rly- Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:33:54 -0500 g0BMXoW06115; g0BMXcW06065 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:36:03 -0500From: Reed Curry User- Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2X-Accept-Language: en-us Subject: Mike Montagne speaks out Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 13 09:26:37 2002 g0DFQaW08015 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:26:36 -0600 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Dickerson 8015 Guide Special Has anyone built this taper as a 3pc?? I hate long rod tubes, if Ican avoid them I do, guess that's why I stick to rods 7' 6" at thelongest.Planning on using this rod for steelhead, big trout, and otherlarger species when I go to Ontario for 3 months in the spring. I hadstarted out building a Cattanach Force, but reflecting on some of thefish I saw coming out of the rivers there last year, I figured a bitmore power was needed.Does anyone have this taper done up as a 3 piece or should I justleave the taper be and add the extra ferrule??Thanks,Shawn from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 13 09:27:52 2002 g0DFRoW08173 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:27:50 -0600 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Dickerson 8015 Guide Special Has anyone built this taper as a 3pc?? I hate long rod tubes, if Ican avoid them I do, guess that's why I stick to rods 7' 6" at thelongest.Planning on using this rod for steelhead, big trout, and otherlarger species when I go to Ontario for 3 months in the spring. Got thesmall rods covered but I'm lacking a big gun. I had started out buildinga Cattanach Force, but reflecting on some of the fish I saw coming outof the rivers there last year, I figured a bit more power was needed.Does anyone have this taper done up as a 3 piece or should I justleave the taper be and add the extra ferrule??Thanks,Shawn from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 13 09:29:32 2002 g0DFTWW08379 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:29:32 -0600 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Dickerson 8015 Guide Special Dickerson Guide Special 8015 for 7 wt....Has anyone built thistaper as a 3pc?? I hate long rod tubes, if I can avoid them I do, guessthat's why I usually stick to rods 7' 6" at the longest (and 2-5wt ;^). Planning on using this rod for steelhead, big trout, and otherlarger species when I go to Ontario for 3 months in the spring. Got thesmall rods covered but I'm lacking a big gun. I had started out buildinga Cattanach Force, but reflecting on some of the fish I saw coming outof the rivers there last year, I figured a bit more power was needed.Does anyone have this taper done up as a 3 piece or should I justleave the taper be and add the extra ferrule??Thanks,Shawn from darrell@vFish.net Sun Jan 13 09:39:13 2002 g0DFdDW08798 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:39:13 - Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:39:03 -0600 Subject: RE: Weber rod - heard of these ? I have or have owned Weber rods made by Phillipson, Heddon, Edwards and acouple low grade rods probably by H-I. The most well known are the ones byHeddon. The Phillipson appears to be very late... after Heddon closed upshop and so little (or nothing) is written about the rods made byPhilllipson. The Phillipson has all the markings and decals that aresupposed to be Heddon so I am presuming that after Heddon closed down,Phillipson took over making their top of the line rod. The Professor model I own/owned is definitely NOT a Heddon but a low gradeH-I but you see people claiming them to be because Heddon made a LOT ofrods I'd wager other makers also made rods for them as they were once a hugeoutfitter. Regards, Darrell LeeAnglers Collectibles Exchangehttp://www.vfish.netInfo & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 ==================Angling, collecting & rod making books at:http://www.vfish.net/files/acebooks7.PDF================== -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Weber rod - heard of these ? Weber Lifelike Fly Co. was a large and long lived tackle house in Ibelieve Wisconsin. Most rods are Heddon's but a few are Edwards(I haveone) or Phillipson. Marty Rex Tutor wrote: I have seen my first Weber rod today. Never heard ofthem. Anyone got some insight ? Looks like aproduction rod but casts fair. Needs straighten atmid. I see it associated with Edwards;EW Edwards made Weber athttp://www.vfish.net/gallery.htmand at another site associated with Heddon .TIA __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from rextutor@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 09:41:32 2002 g0DFfVW09020 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:41:31 - 13 Jan 2002 07:41:31 PST Subject: Re: Burnishing Tools A plastic stick with lots of different shapes in it from Clemens. It has a flat ,round and hard edge. $4as I recall. --- taylor hogan wrote: What are people using for burnishing tools?RegardsTaylor __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from dpvbkjs@somtel.com Sun Jan 13 09:48:06 2002 g0DFm5W09327 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:48:05 - Subject: Marlborough Show Hi, Is anyone going to the show in Massachussetts this coming weekend? We haven't been to one of these mega-shows before and would enjoy seeing afriendly face (as well as just putting a few more faces with the names onthis List). David will be the guy in the Roy Hawk Bamboo hat (and Kat willbe the shorter person trying not to get stepped on....) Feel free toe-mail us for a contact arrangement, or just come by for a rendezvous atthe author's booth on Saturday at eleven. Hope we can hook up, Kathy and David from rextutor@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 10:03:30 2002 g0DG3TW09793 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:03:29 - 13 Jan 2002 08:03:28 PST Subject: Weber - thanks I appreciate all those who led me to some resources aswell as the info on the Weber rod.much appreciation. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ from darrell@vFish.net Sun Jan 13 10:04:26 2002 g0DG4PW09908 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:04:25 - Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:04:19 -0600 , Subject: RE: Apologies to the list Don, I think you have me mixed up with my other brother Darryl... I'm DarrellLee, not Darryl Hayashida... I know, you can't tell those orientalsapart... 8^) I seem to have missed the message that sparked Darryl's message... I'venever seen him dissed before (or just don't remember)... perhaps it wasintended for me, his other brother Darrell? I'll agree, while I've never met Darryl (even though we live in neighboringcounties, close by internet standards) I've not had the pleasure to meet himor see any of his finished rods. And yes, his contributions to the listhave been extensive. Regards, Darrell LeeAnglers Collectibles Exchangehttp://www.vfish.netInfo & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 ==================Angling, collecting & rod making books at:http://www.vfish.net/files/acebooks7.PDF================== -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:52 PM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Apologies to the list FWIW, I will provide a rebuttal on Darryl's behalf. I don't know himpersonally but I've done business with him once, on a group cork order. The rings arrived in good condition, albeit a couple days later thanexpected. When I was sifting through the rings I noticed some other stuff inthe bag. A couple of leaders, some extra cork rings and a spool of rodwrapping thread. I emailed him to tell him that I obviuously must be inpossession of someone elses order. He said no, he threw that stuff in just A very nice gesture that won't soon be forgotten-Don D----- Original Message -----From: Coffey, Patrick W Subject: RE: Apologies to the list Darryl, you don't owe any of us an apology, if some one has a personalbeef with you, that doesn't effect us and should not have been brought up onthe list. This is kind of a family and families can't all get along all thetime, squabbles come up from time to time. Shit happens!!! Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Apologies to the list Yes, this is a matter that never should have made it on the list.Rather than giving a rebuttal here, I will let the matter drop as faras the list is concerned.You all have my most sincere apologies.Darryl Hayashida Don, think you have me mixed up with my other brother = seen him dissed before (or just don't remember)... perhaps it was = me, his other brother Darrell? agree, while I've never met Darryl (even though we live in neighboring = close by internet standards) I've not had the pleasure to meet him or = extensive. Regards,Darrell LeeAnglers (323)465- DeLoachSent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:52 = listFWIW, I will provide a rebuttal on = once, on a group cork order. The rings arrived in good condition, = couple days later than expected. When I was sifting through the rings = noticed some other stuff in the bag. A couple of leaders, some extra = rings and a spool of rod wrapping thread. I emailed him to tell him = obviuously must be in possession of someone elses order. He said no, = that stuff in just for being patient. A very nice gesture that won't soon = forgotten-Don D ----- Original Message ----- Coffey, Patrick W = Sent: Saturday, January 12, = AMSubject: RE: Apologies to the = list Darryl, you don't owe any of us an = one has a personal beef with you, that doesn't effect us and should = been brought up on the list. This is kind of a family and families = happens!!! Patrick W. = AOG Incident Repair = Phone: 425-234-2901 = 61-79 -----Original Message-----From: = Apologies to the listYes, this is a matter that never should = on the list.Rather than giving a rebuttal here, I will let the = drop as far as the list is concerned.You all have my most = from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jan 13 10:11:15 2002 g0DGBEW10386 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:11:15 -0600 helo=default) id 16PnE0-0005Hd-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:11:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Burnishing Tools The little white plastic ones that have somewhat of a spoon shape, are =narrow with sharper edges on top with which the wraps can be packed as =you are wrapping, then burnished with the rounded edge. Just about any =rodbuilding supply sells them.The agate ones from Golden Witch would, I think, work great, maybe even =best, but don't have an edge with which to pack the threads. M-D What are people using for burnishing tools?RegardsTaylor The little white plastic= have somewhat of a spoon shape, are narrow with sharper edges on top = the wraps can be packed as you are wrapping, then burnished with the = edge. Just about any rodbuilding supply sells =them.The agate ones from = which to pack the threads. M-D ------------------------------hogan What are people using for tools?RegardsTaylor from bob@downandacross.com Sun Jan 13 10:11:54 2002 g0DGBrW10495 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:11:53 - Subject: RE: Marlborough Show Does anyone have a pic of this hat? I have heard it is very nice, but I wantto see one for myself.Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- K.J. Scott Subject: Marlborough Show Hi, Is anyone going to the show in Massachussetts this coming weekend? We haven't been to one of these mega-shows before and would enjoy seeing afriendly face (as well as just putting a few more faces with the names onthis List). David will be the guy in the Roy Hawk Bamboo hat (and Kat willbe the shorter person trying not to get stepped on....) Feel free toe-mail us for a contact arrangement, or just come by for a rendezvous atthe author's booth on Saturday at eleven. Hope we can hook up, Kathy and David from caneman@clnk.com Sun Jan 13 10:32:25 2002 g0DGWOW11133 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:32:24 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Burnishing Tools Taylor, one for her fingernails and it worked much better for burnishing silk). =Since October, I've been using a tool that I bought at the SRG Silent =Auction. It's a brass handled piece of white agate that Goldenwitch =donated to the auction, and it works better than any other I've ever =used. Retired the cuticle tool to the bathroom drawer and use the new =one from goldenwitch now.No financial interest of course.... Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com Subject: Burnishing Tools What are people using for burnishing tools?RegardsTaylor Taylor, cuticle tool (ex wife used one for her fingernails and it worked much = Goldenwitch donated to the auction, and it works better than any other = from goldenwitch now. course.... Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- hogan Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 = AMSubject: Burnishing Tools What are people using for tools?RegardsTaylor from tedknott@cogeco.ca Sun Jan 13 11:00:27 2002 g0DH0QW11694 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:00:26 - Subject: Re: Burnishing Tools I use my finger nails to pack both sides of the wrap, then burnish with =the back of my scissors, or the back of a safety razor blade, whichever =is in my hand. I use my finger nails to pack both = wrap, then burnish with the back of my scissors, or the back of a safety = blade, whichever is in my hand. from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Jan 13 11:02:46 2002 g0DH2kW11896 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:02:46 - helo=g2t8c9) id 16Po1p-000313-00; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:02:41 -0800 Subject: Re: The Madison binder I have never had a problem with my Garrison Binder. It is wood and veryrustic looking. I followed the directions carefully on Chris Bogarts sight.Maybe you have seen it, maybe not. But it may be worth checking out again.The right wheel position is crucial. Adam Vigil----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: The Madison binder After messing with my Garrison binder for months, I have finally figured out a superior method for binding that I would like to share. I do it by hand,but I have my daughter help me. I begin wrapping by hand at the butt, andafter about a foot she steps in and rotates the blank for me, and providesmost of the "turning power". I also turn the blank, but concentrate ongetting even wraps, supporting the rod, and making sure that everything isbeing bound into place properly. The beauty of this system is that it seems to eliminate virtually everyproblem I had in binding. No twisting, the blank comes out straight, nodanger of breaking anything, and there is no physical or psychologicalstress. She has caught on quickly how to adjust the angle of the blank tokeep the binding going smoothly. It has become a Saturday morning ritual(Maddie, get down here, we need to glue up some rods!). I stumbled across this only in extemis. I was binding a tip by hand, and got a serious cramp in my hand. I called her over for help, and it worked sowell we decided to try it again. The only drawback to this method is thatshe will eventually grow up and I will have to make a Milward binder. jeff schaeffer from jojo@ipa.net Sun Jan 13 11:14:44 2002 g0DHEhW12321 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:14:43 -0600 helo=default) id 16PoDR-0005A3-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:14:41 -0500 Subject: Re: The Madison binder And will you be mass producing these wonderful, little "Maddie" binders forcommercial sale? I particularly like the voice activation part. Once theselittle binders grow into big binders will you accept them in trade foranother? I don't know, but I suspect these are high-maintenance littlemachines, aren't they? M-D P.S. I hope the binder comes with the proper safety precautions on herha