References: <43.55887b3.297f8e56@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: flytyr@southshore.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Kyle I plug the ferrules with a rubber plug like is used to plug Gra------ rods. Wrap the ferrule with Plumbers teflon tape and then over wrap with masking tape. If you have not seen drain tube used before, here are a few tips. Warm the room to 80* with the varnish and rod in the room to bring it all to the same temperature. Insert the rod in the tube and look for any bubbles that might attach themselves to the rod or guides. The rod can be shaken some to release the bubbles. Let the rod sit for a few minuets before starting the drain. Drain about 4 " per min. Watch the varnish ring on the tube, don't let the varnish run faster than then varnish is running off the walls of the tube. As you pass a wrap, stop the drain for a minuet or two. This gives the varnish time to drain from around the wrap. If you drain too fast around the wraps and guides you stand a good chance of getting a run. Drain past the guide and stop again, then past the lower wrap of the guide and stop. Do this at every guide and wrap. Varnish will form a film in the guide loop. When you stop just below the guide, you need to wait till the film breaks. Wait till the varnish runs down from around the guide before you start draining again. Sometimes it seems like it will never break, be patient, it will break. To keep the rod from touching the sides of the tube use three quilt pins like a "Y" stuck in the tape around the ferrules. You should get a real nice finish if you take your time with this. Hope this helps. Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: > Hi List, > > I'm going dip the rod this weekend via the DH drain tube method. Do I need > to do anything special to the ferrules before dipping the rod? > > Thanks, you guys are the best! > > Kyle >From wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 12:26:38 2002 Received: from web11405.mail.yahoo.com (web11405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.235]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0NIQbW09494 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:26:37 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020123182637.79666.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.64.15] by web11405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:26:37 PST Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Walters Subject: Dealers and their influence on the market To: rodmakers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Someone mentioned to me in an offlist comment that dealers typically charge 30% to handle maker's rods. Is this true? I would think that this fact alone would call for some organization of this group (IMHO of course), if not a Guild (I know--dirty word with some) then some kind of confederation that would work together to negotiate better rates because as the person I was corresponding with said, you won't be able to sell to any of these people that are buying from the dealer without the dealer. Or, find some way to group together to get more exposure to sell your rods directly. I'm still very much a novice and not acquainted with selling through any dealers but it seems to me that while the dealers serve a purpose they are keeping the prices artificially high. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >From stuart.rod@gmx.de Wed Jan 23 12:30:07 2002 Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0NIU6W09898 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:30:06 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 10079 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jan 2002 18:29:59 -0000 Received: from pec-7-238.tnt2.m2.uunet.de (HELO gmx.de) (149.225.7.238) by mail.gmx.net (mp004-rz3) with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 18:29:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3C4F016B.90F10283@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:31:07 +0100 From: Stuart Moultrie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0324c (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: canazon@mindspring.com, Rodmakers Subject: Re: Finishing References: <005601c1a42e$371bbc60$6730fc9e@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: stuart.rod@gmx.de Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Mike, I know that Austrian Rodmaker Walter Brunner varnishes his ferrules after bluing. He bakes the varnish on the ferrules to harden it in some way, don't ask me how, but it looks very nice. Stuart mike canazon schrieb: > does anyone varnish the ferrules to protect them? > mike >From CALucker@aol.com Wed Jan 23 13:18:43 2002 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0NJIhW11961 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:18:43 - 0600 (CST) Received: from CALucker@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id i.123.a94ed05 (1332); Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: CALucker@aol.com Message-ID: <123.a94ed05.2980666c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:18:04 EST Subject: Re: Milling machine motors, etc.. To: eamon_lee@hotmail.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_123.a94ed05.2980666c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Reply-To: CALucker@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_123.a94ed05.2980666c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/02 8:47:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, eamon_lee@hotmail.com writes: > Has anyone out there built one of these? What else do you suppose I should > know. I understand you folks have spent a lot of time building and > designing > these and it would be pretty lame if I were to ask for specific plans, so I > won't. I'm a pretty smart bear and I look forward to tinkering for a year > or > so. All I wish for is some generic guidance If you want the easiest path to making a quality mill, convert a small surface grinder. Look for a surface grinder with a one inch shaft as some of the specialty bamboo mill cutters (carbide tipped) have one inch holes. A typical, if there is such a thing, surface grinder has a 1.25 inch shaft. With a surface grinder you are not reinventing the wheel. You get precision up and down adjustments and good vibration management. All you need to design is the carrier and hold-downs. You can look at automatic feed and dust collection if you have enough amps. I have found used surface grinders for $300 to $400. Remember, you don't need all the fancy stuff like magnetic chucks, etc. I have built quite a few mills, in fact mill-building got in the way of rod-building. But a finish mill can easily be made for less than $700. The last rough mill I sold was $72 without motor. Speaking of motors, I always use a 1hp or 1.5 HP 3450 rpm. I have used 2.75 inch and 3 inch cutters and usually run a 5 inch pulley off the motor to a 3 inch on the cutter shaft -- so what is that? 5,700+ rpm? You do the math. I know that Charlie Jenkins uses (or at least used 15 years ago) 2 inch three wing cutters running 9000 rpm. The feet per second works out about the same, if I remember correctly. Chris Lucker --part1_123.a94ed05.2980666c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/02 8:47:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, eamon_lee@hotmail.com writes:


Has anyone out there built one of these? What else do you suppose I should
know. I understand you folks have spent a lot of time building and designing
these and it would be pretty lame if I were to ask for specific plans, so I
won't. I'm a pretty smart bear and I look forward to tinkering for a year or
so. All I wish for is some generic guidance
If you want the easiest path to making a quality mill, convert a small surface grinder.  Look for a surface grinder with a one inch shaft as some of the specialty bamboo mill cutters (carbide tipped) have one inch holes.  A typical, if there is such a thing, surface grinder has a 1.25 inch shaft.
With a surface grinder you are not reinventing the wheel.  You get precision up and down adjustments and good vibration management.  All you need to design is the carrier and hold-downs.  You can look at automatic feed and dust collection if you have enough amps.  I have found used surface grinders for $300 to $400.  Remember, you don't need all the fancy stuff like magnetic chucks, etc.  I have built quite a few mills, in fact mill-building got in the way of rod-building.  But a finish mill can easily be made for less than $700.  The last rough mill I sold was $72 without motor.
Speaking of motors, I always use a 1hp or 1.5 HP 3450 rpm.  I have used 2.75 inch and 3 inch cutters and usually run a 5 inch pulley off the motor to a 3 inch on the cutter shaft -- so what is that?  5,700+ rpm?  You do the math.  I know that Charlie Jenkins uses (or at least used 15 years ago) 2 inch three wing cutters running 9000 rpm.  The feet per second works out about the same, if I remember correctly.  
Chris Lucker
--part1_123.a94ed05.2980666c_boundary-- >From fquinchat@locl.net Wed Jan 23 14:57:03 2002 Received: from mail.locl.net (root@lightning.locl.net [63.149.55.2]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0NKv2W24663 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:57:02 - 0600 (CST) Received: from oemcomputer (an491.locl.net [63.144.71.201]) by mail.locl.net (8.11.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id g0NKurH19250 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:56:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007701c1a453$a0bd83e0$c747903f@oemcomputer> From: "Dennis Bertram" To: "Rodmakers" Subject: Sanding block Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:18:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: fquinchat@locl.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I started using a 6" long sanding block to remove the glue from blanks and have ended up with an undersized rod. The individual strips were right on. I thought that I quit sanding when the enamel was gone. Any thoughts on this? Dennis Bertram >From hartzell@easystreet.com Wed Jan 23 15:28:55 2002 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0NLSsW02701 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:28:54 - 0600 (CST) Received: from easystreet.com (dial-206-102-3-164.easystreet.com [206.102.3.164]) by smtp.easystreet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0NLSfC03282; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:28:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C4F2B8F.E630D4E8@easystreet.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:30:56 -0800 From: Ed Hartzell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eamon_lee@hotmail.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Milling machine motors, etc.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: hartzell@easystreet.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Eamon, The motor on my mill is a Baldor industrial, one horse, 1725 rpm. It has been satisfactory in every way except that you have to use a large pulley to get the mill spindle up to about 5000rpm. I think the horsepower is overdone - 1/2 horse would probably be enough. Get a condenser type motor that can be reversed - You may want to climb cut sometime. The belt is just as important as the motor in avoiding vibration. I use a Gates belt - the best. I would be glad to help anyway I can. Ed Eamon Lee wrote: > All- > Anyone care to divulge what sort of motor they would/have used in a milling > cutter based milling machine. I am entertaining the thought of building one > similar to the one outlined in Ray Goulds book. I think it was Ed Hartzels > machine. > > Has anyone out there built one of these? What else do you suppose I should > know. I understand you folks have spent a lot of time building and designing > these and it would be pretty lame if I were to ask for specific plans, so I > won't. I'm a pretty smart bear and I look forward to tinkering for a year or > so. All I wish for is some generic guidance. > > Yes, the end result would be able to cut a finished taper in either a hex or > quad. I have a roughing beveler already. > > Thanks a bunch guys, > Eamon > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >From JNL123141@msn.com Wed Jan 23 15:47:39 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe124.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.117]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0NLlcW07472 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:47:38 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:47:33 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.192.63.36] From: "John Long" To: , "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: Sanding block Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:46:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A42D.71032680" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 21:47:33.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[9067DB40:01C1A457] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A42D.71032680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis, You obviously sanded into the power fibers. Try a steel block 3/4" X 1/2= " x 2" long. Cut your sandpaper with a cheap pair of scissors. I think = you will have better results with something like this. =20 John =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Bertram Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 4:01 PM To: Rodmakers Subject: Sanding block =20 I started using a 6" long sanding block to remove the glue from blanks an= d have ended up with an undersized rod. The individual strips were right o= n. I thought that I quit sanding when the enamel was gone. Any thoughts on this? Dennis Bertram ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A42D.71032680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis,
=
You obviously sanded into the power fibers.  Try a steel block = 3/4" X 1/2" x 2" long.  Cut your sandpaper with a cheap pair of scis= sors.  I think you will have better results with something like this= . 
 
John
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Bertram
<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 4= :01 PM
To: Rodmakers
<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">Subject: Sanding block
&= nbsp;
I started using a 6" long sanding block to remove the glue fro= m blanks and
have ended up with an undersized rod.  The individua= l strips were right on.
I thought that I quit sanding when the enamel = was gone.  Any thoughts on
this?

Dennis Bertram

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A42D.71032680-- >From JNL123141@msn.com Wed Jan 23 15:49:37 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe37.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.117]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0NLnaW08017 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:49:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:49:27 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.192.63.36] From: "John Long" To: , Subject: Re: Books Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:47:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A42D.B4E0CEC0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 21:49:27.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[D446BC00:01C1A457] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A42D.B4E0CEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, Please let me know how it casts. Hedge was a world champion in his day a= nd you gotta believe he knew what he was talking about... john =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: mike canazon Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:31 PM To: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Books =20 john, i loved that part of the wise fisherman also. i was thinking about spl= icing some lines together myself, and i will do so in the future, but i p= icked up a hedge tapered line a few weeks ago. i;ve got to clean it up an= d refinish it. i can hardly wait to mike it out, to see if all the tapers= are on it or if it has been cut back. =20 mike ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A42D.B4E0CEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,
Please let me know how i= t casts.  Hedge was a world champion in his day and you gotta b= elieve he knew what he was talking about...
 
= john 
 
----- Original Message= -----
From: mike canazon
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:31 PM
To: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu
Subject: Re: Books
 
john,
   i lo= ved that part of the wise fisherman also. i was thinking about splicing s= ome lines together myself, and i will do so in the future, but i pic= ked up a hedge tapered line a few weeks ago. i;ve got to clean it up and = refinish it. i can hardly wait to mike it out, to see if all the tapers a= re on it or if it has been cut back.
&n= bsp;  mike
------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A42D.B4E0CEC0-- >From JNL123141@msn.com Wed Jan 23 15:51:08 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe76.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.218]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0NLp7W08483 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:51:07 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:51:01 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.192.63.36] From: "John Long" To: "Dave Jankowski" , "Rod Jenkins" , "Bob" , "RodmakersPost" , "Ted Kubit" Subject: Fw: Ages in a Man.s Life Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:49:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0004_01C1A42D.ED409200" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 21:51:01.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C85B0D0:01C1A458] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C1A42D.ED409200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Butler Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:05 PM To: KEES . LOEK; John Long; Joe Guzzo; Jim King; Andrew Pasquale Subject: Ages in a Man.s Life There are three sexual ages in a man's life: > > Between 15 to 35... TRI WEEKLY > > Between 35 to 55... TRY WEEKLY > > Between 55 to 75... TRY WEAKLY > > Enjoy it while you can. ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C1A42D.ED409200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Butler
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:05= PM
To: KEES . LOEK; John Lo= ng; Joe Guzzo; Jim King; Andrew Pasquale
Subject: Ages in a Man.s Life
 
There are three sexual ages in a man's life:
> >   Be= tween 15 to 35... TRI WEEKLY
> >   Between 35 to 55...= TRY WEEKLY
> >   Between 55 to 75... TRY WEAKLY
&g= t; >   Enjoy it while you can.
= ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C1A42D.ED409200-- >From harms1@pa.net Wed Jan 23 17:36:27 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0NNaQW02539 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:36:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp174.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.174]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 487304C880; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:32:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004301c1a466$677c3fa0$ae646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , , , References: <005601c1a42e$371bbc60$6730fc9e@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Finishing Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:33:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Mike, Yes, indeed, 'though not those I leave bright. Otherwise, the blueing just wears away--and it doesn't seem to take very long. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike canazon" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Finishing > does anyone varnish the ferrules to protect them? > mike > >From harms1@pa.net Wed Jan 23 18:00:30 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O00TW07676 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:00:29 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp174.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.174]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9010C4C887; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:56:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009201c1a469$c8657c20$ae646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , "Rodmakers" References: <007701c1a453$a0bd83e0$c747903f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Sanding block Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:57:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Dennis, You might want to try flat-filing the glue residue instead of sanding. I lay the blank flat on my bench and use a 6-inch mill bastard file. Hold the file parallel to the bench and at an angle of about 45 degrees to the length of the section. Now just move it lightly down the flat. Rotate one flat at a time. The glue flakes away because it is actually being cut off by the file rather than being rasped by sandpaper. You should not be able to measure a loss of cane at all if you wiped the section fairly clean after the glue-up. The biggest advantages of filing over sanding are that you can protect the corners perfectly, while also removing only the very thinnest film of material. And, speaking of protecting the corners, when you DO sand, try laying a full sheet of paper, back down, on your bench and pushing the rod section back and forth across it, as you would move a pool cue. Hold the section flat down with the finger and thumb of your other hand. I use only 400 grit paper for this. Easy does it, with long strokes. And be especially careful on the tip sections. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Bertram" To: "Rodmakers" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: Sanding block > I started using a 6" long sanding block to remove the glue from blanks and > have ended up with an undersized rod. The individual strips were right on. > I thought that I quit sanding when the enamel was gone. Any thoughts on > this? > > Dennis Bertram > >From harms1@pa.net Wed Jan 23 18:10:48 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O0AlW09715 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:10:48 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp174.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.174]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 111B94C847; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:07:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009701c1a46b$3b633d60$ae646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , "Rodmakers" References: <007701c1a453$a0bd83e0$c747903f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Sanding block Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:08:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Dennis, Just read your email again and noticed that you said you "quit sanding when the enamel was gone." I think it is a far better practice to scrape or file the enamel prior to planing away the last few thousandths of your strips. You don't want the final measurements of your strips to be based on some compensating factor that "allows" for the thickness of the enamel. Get rid of that stuff so that your final measurements will be dead on before you glue. Then wipe the excess glue from the string so that you will have only the thinnest film to file away later. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Bertram" To: "Rodmakers" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: Sanding block > I started using a 6" long sanding block to remove the glue from blanks and > have ended up with an undersized rod. The individual strips were right on. > I thought that I quit sanding when the enamel was gone. Any thoughts on > this? > > Dennis Bertram > >From channer@frontier.net Wed Jan 23 18:11:19 2002 Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O0BIW09844 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:11:18 - 0600 (CST) Received: from frontier.net (ppp243.pm3-10.durango.frontier.net [66.118.194.243]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E557A5E8; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:11:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C4F50F1.ABE4B5BE@frontier.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:10:25 -0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eamon_lee@hotmail.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Milling machine motors, etc.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Eamon; I use the 1 1/2 hp Dayton 110/220 motor that was going to waste on my tablesaw on mine. It only seems like about 3 times too much motor. The only thing you'll need, besides the iron for the bed, that you can't get from MSC is the rack and pinion gear, to get a 6' long rack I had to go to McMaster-Carr. Think perfect alignment and no play of any kind, anywhere, when you're building it. One more hint, use a straight cutter in the machine to cut the taper in the top of your pattern, that way the enamel side will be in the correct alignment to the 60d cutters when you cut the bamboo. john Eamon Lee wrote: > > All- > Anyone care to divulge what sort of motor they would/have used in a milling > cutter based milling machine. I am entertaining the thought of building one > similar to the one outlined in Ray Goulds book. I think it was Ed Hartzels > machine. > > Has anyone out there built one of these? What else do you suppose I should > know. I understand you folks have spent a lot of time building and designing > these and it would be pretty lame if I were to ask for specific plans, so I > won't. I'm a pretty smart bear and I look forward to tinkering for a year or > so. All I wish for is some generic guidance. > > Yes, the end result would be able to cut a finished taper in either a hex or > quad. I have a roughing beveler already. > > Thanks a bunch guys, > Eamon > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 23 18:11:56 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O0BuW10141 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:11:56 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip198.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.198]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0O0DJN114116; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:13:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4F505D.6608439E@3g.quik.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:07:58 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: harms1@pa.net CC: fquinchat@locl.net, Rodmakers Subject: Re: Sanding block References: <007701c1a453$a0bd83e0$c747903f@oemcomputer> <009201c1a469$c8657c20$ae646c0c@billharm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bill, Now that's a great idea! Chalk up one more good one from Mr. Harms. Thanks, Harry Boyd WILLIAM HARMS wrote: > And, speaking of protecting the corners, when you DO sand, try laying a full > sheet of paper, back down, on your bench and pushing the rod section back > and forth across it, as you would move a pool cue. Hold the section flat > down with the finger and thumb of your other hand. I use only 400 grit > paper for this. Easy does it, with long strokes. And be especially careful > on the tip sections. -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church >From piscator@macatawa.org Wed Jan 23 18:25:24 2002 Received: from freenet.macatawa.org (freenet.macatawa.org [206.26.113.2]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O0PNW12105 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:25:23 - 0600 (CST) Received: from VAIO (cisco2-122.macatawa.org [206.26.113.192]) by freenet.macatawa.org (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA00554 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:26:38 - 0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003101c1a46d$984fc640$c0711ace@VAIO> From: "Brian Creek" To: "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: cork Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:25:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C1A443.AEA7EF50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: piscator@macatawa.org Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C1A443.AEA7EF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you were in on our group cork order, it's on its way to you now = priority mail. Somebody still owes me shipping fees. I found out that our sales rep had a stroke, and that slowed things = down. He is only in his 40's. Next time somebody else gets to do this!! Brian ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C1A443.AEA7EF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C1A443.AEA7EF50-- >From piscator@macatawa.org Wed Jan 23 18:26:33 2002 Received: from freenet.macatawa.org (freenet.macatawa.org [206.26.113.2]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O0QWW12236 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:26:32 - 0600 (CST) Received: from VAIO (cisco2-122.macatawa.org [206.26.113.192]) by freenet.macatawa.org (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA00646 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:27:48 - 0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003a01c1a46d$c180f890$c0711ace@VAIO> From: "Brian Creek" To: "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: guides Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:26:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1A443.D7E52F90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: piscator@macatawa.org Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1A443.D7E52F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was an order for snake brand guides pending. Is it too late to = get in on this? I needs guides! Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1A443.D7E52F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1A443.D7E52F90-- >From swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Wed Jan 23 18:45:58 2002 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O0jvW15590 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:45:57 - 0600 (CST) Received: from user-2ive03h.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.0.113]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TY1W-0000aY-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:45:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:43:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Dealers and their influence on the market From: "swiftriverflyfishing" To: wlwalter77us@yahoo.com, rodmakers Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Reply-To: swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi - You raise a lot of interesting questions and the answers are pretty complicated and will certainly vary depending on the position. As a restorer, dealer, and rod maker (and now all three) in chronological order I will offer a few observations. 1) Many of the greatest rod makers (most?) sold rods through dealers at some time and often at the beginning of their careers when they were not well known and did not have good access to markets. In some cases those arrangements worked very well and eventually the makers would do the majority of their selling directly. FE Thomas is a good example of that. In other cases the arrangements were too confining and not financially favorable to the makers and they wanted out of those deals badly and sometimes even stopped making rods for a while until they could resurface in another location under a different business arrangement. 2) In the tackle trade dealers generally buy at 40% off retail for manufactured goods and 30% for hand made goods like bamboo and high end reels. They take on the cost of advertising and all the other business overhead. I figure that as a dealer if my final "profit" margin is 15% I have done ok. And, if the rod does not sell the risk is mine. I could have that rod for several years especially if it is from a new, unknown maker. 3) Many full time makers form relationships with a few dealers early on and then stick with them and sell only a portion of their production through dealers and the rest direct. Good dealers do not get in their way but rather help promote the maker, give him wide exposure and eventually allow the maker to get more money for his rods as the demand increases. It is a kind of partnership that should work to the advantage of both parties. 4) Any respectable dealer sells the rods at the same price as the maker would sell them directly, not higher or lower. I would never undersell one of my makers. If I do not have a rod in stock I refer the potential buyer to the maker. The only real advantage I have is the ability to sell from stock. 5) As a maker if you know that you can sell a certain number of rods at a fixed price even if that price is lower than direct sales it can have a stabilizing effect and insure a steady flow of income. Twenty rods per year at $700 plus 20 rods per year at $1000 is $34,000. If you get to the point that you can sell 25 or 30 rods directly at $1250 or $1500 then maybe those dealers to whom you do not owe any loyalty fall off your list. 6) Some makers refuse to sell through dealers. They don't need em and they have enough trouble making ends meet. More power to em. A maker should only sell through a dealer if that dealers adds something to their ability to make a living. As a dealer I want the makers that sell to me to do well, to become famous, to raise their art to new levels. Hey, good topic and maybe other folks will weigh in. Rick T. ---------- >From: Bill Walters >To: rodmakers >Subject: Dealers and their influence on the market >Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002, 1:26 PM > >Someone mentioned to me in an offlist comment that >dealers typically charge 30% to handle maker's rods. >Is this true? I would think that this fact alone would >call for some organization of this group (IMHO of >course), if not a Guild (I know--dirty word with some) >then some kind of confederation that would work >together to negotiate better rates because as the >person I was corresponding with said, you won't be >able to sell to any of these people that are buying >from the dealer without the dealer. Or, find some way >to group together to get more exposure to sell your >rods directly. I'm still very much a novice and not >acquainted with selling through any dealers but it >seems to me that while the dealers serve a purpose >they are keeping the prices artificially high. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > ---------- >From: Bill Walters >To: rodmakers >Subject: Dealers and their influence on the market >Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002, 1:26 PM > >Someone mentioned to me in an offlist comment that >dealers typically charge 30% to handle maker's rods. >Is this true? I would think that this fact alone would >call for some organization of this group (IMHO of >course), if not a Guild (I know--dirty word with some) >then some kind of confederation that would work >together to negotiate better rates because as the >person I was corresponding with said, you won't be >able to sell to any of these people that are buying >from the dealer without the dealer. Or, find some way >to group together to get more exposure to sell your >rods directly. I'm still very much a novice and not >acquainted with selling through any dealers but it >seems to me that while the dealers serve a purpose >they are keeping the prices artificially high. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > >From rextutor@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 20:03:46 2002 Received: from web14914.mail.yahoo.com (web14914.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.241]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0O23kW02564 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:03:46 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020124020345.94064.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.253.1.195] by web14914.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:03:45 PST Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: Rex Tutor Subject: Sanding block- removing glue and string To: fquinchat@locl.net, RodMakers Listserve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: rextutor@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Something I have done but never heard any comments on is the following . I use titebond II glue and I wipe off any excess before glue dries. I pull the string off and then I use stripper ( same stuff that removes varnish) . I then scrape down to enamel with a soft plastic card ( like a thin credit card) The glue comes off and it is easier to see the enamel for sandling and scraping. works for me __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeing new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From bob@downandacross.com Wed Jan 23 20:22:42 2002 Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O2MgW07083 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:22:42 - 0600 (CST) Received: from dax ([24.49.107.165]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQF7XC00.RET for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:22:24 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bob Maulucci" To: "rodmakers" Subject: RE: Dealers Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:22:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Bill and Rick: There are a few things that I think need to be brought up. I agree with what Rick has said on this issue. I sell most of my meager amount of rods sold through word of mouth and from my website. I have sold a few through dealers. I have a few on order from dealers as we speak. I appreciate their trust in me to deliver a good product. They pay ahead of time, get a discount and they wait in line like everyone else. Their deposit and a full price deposit get in line just the same. The way I see it, you need to start somewhere. For some, it is the local tackle shop, and for others it is through shows. I like Dickerson's idea that a good rod will sell itself, and you can stay busy without advertising. There are a few things that I can be awkward or bad situations. These are hypothetical situations. 1. Big consignment fees (30%). People with the cash get the rods. There is no way around it. If a guy takes a rod on consignment and I get $750 for that same rod when I sell it, the guy only needs to make $525 to pay me. Then someone says to the dealer, "Hey, I'll give you $600 for that." Hey that is $75 in the dealer's pocket for little if any work. It is bad publicity for the rodmaker because full price was not paid. The maker still needs to pay excise tax on that rod. How does the maker know what the sale price ended up being? He gets his agreed upon $525 when the rod gets sold. 2. The dealer sells a rod for more than your asking price. It has happened. I don't know why someone would pay a third party (dealer) more, but they do. Why is this bad? The dealer is cheating you out of the extra profit. 3. There are way too many dealers out there who flood their lists with rods that do not exist. Looking at these lists, it is so confusing that a buyer cannot really see through it. If you have a buyer who has money to burn, why should you compete with imaginary rods when the dealer has your rod on hand? Dealers should not list rods that are not done yet. As a rule of thumb, if you do not see a picture of the actual rod on a site, it does not exist. Simple as that. (This applies to new rods, but why would you want to buy a vinatge rod unseen?). 4. If a guy buys a rod from a dealer, am I able to sell future rods to that customer directly? Whose customer is he/she? Several good spats have been started over this very issue. 5. Do you get paid immediately after the 3 day inspection period? You should. Ask any promising full time maker (not me), and they will tell you that they are busting their butts getting rods out. They play the game and try to get as many dealers as they can to see their rods. It is a hard game to play. It is frustrating. You find out who you can trust after time passes. It is like any relationship. My advice to those who want to sell rods would be...sell the rods on your own or rely on dealers alone. Do not mix the two. This way you either have the benefit of more profit for each rod, or you have the steady income a dealer will provide. Also, don't sign on with a dealer who will sign on any guy who guarantees him a rod. Why place your product in a pool of guys? It makes no sense. Find someone you trust if you sell through dealers. We are a cynical lot. We see our hard work and not the dealers. Work with someone who will prove that they are actively out to sell your rods. It's tough to give up all that work and share the profit with someone else. If I make a rod ($750 retail)in 40 hours and get $525 for it after dealer's cut, I make $13.13 an hour. The dealer makes $225. Did he really work 17.13 hours to sell that rod? Of course not. BUT, he sold the rod, and that is all he needed to do. My advice to everyone else is...build rods for fun. One day, after I pay off all this tooling and cane...I would like to do that again. I mean, who wouldn't want to do what they love with no strings attached? A business is a very big string sometimes. A very big string. Best regards and good luck, Bob Maulucci >From piscator@macatawa.org Wed Jan 23 20:50:30 2002 Received: from freenet.macatawa.org (freenet.macatawa.org [206.26.113.2]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O2oTW13891 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:50:29 - 0600 (CST) Received: from VAIO (cisco2-146.macatawa.org [206.26.113.216]) by freenet.macatawa.org (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA11043; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:51:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002301c1a481$dc537d00$d8711ace@VAIO> From: "Brian Creek" To: , "rodmakers" References: Subject: Re: Dealers Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:50:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: piscator@macatawa.org Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN A good friend of mine has a big small winery (??) and sells from the tasting room and to retailers. You can buy his wine for less from dealers (or could a couple of years ago) than the winery. He sees it as marketing and figures he'll make more in the long run. Decissions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Maulucci" To: "rodmakers" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: RE: Dealers > Hi Bill and Rick: > There are a few things that I think need to be brought up. I agree with what > Rick has said on this issue. I sell most of my meager amount of rods sold > through word of mouth and from my website. I have sold a few through > dealers. I have a few on order from dealers as we speak. I appreciate their > trust in me to deliver a good product. They pay ahead of time, get a > discount and they wait in line like everyone else. Their deposit and a full > price deposit get in line just the same. > The way I see it, you need to start somewhere. For some, it is the local > tackle shop, and for others it is through shows. I like Dickerson's idea > that a good rod will sell itself, and you can stay busy without advertising. > > There are a few things that I can be awkward or bad situations. These are > hypothetical situations. > 1. Big consignment fees (30%). People with the cash get the rods. There is > no way around it. If a guy takes a rod on consignment and I get $750 for > that same rod when I sell it, the guy only needs to make $525 to pay me. > Then someone says to the dealer, "Hey, I'll give you $600 for that." Hey > that is $75 in the dealer's pocket for little if any work. It is bad > publicity for the rodmaker because full price was not paid. The maker still > needs to pay excise tax on that rod. How does the maker know what the sale > price ended up being? He gets his agreed upon $525 when the rod gets sold. > 2. The dealer sells a rod for more than your asking price. It has happened. > I don't know why someone would pay a third party (dealer) more, but they do. > Why is this bad? The dealer is cheating you out of the extra profit. > 3. There are way too many dealers out there who flood their lists with rods > that do not exist. Looking at these lists, it is so confusing that a buyer > cannot really see through it. If you have a buyer who has money to burn, why > should you compete with imaginary rods when the dealer has your rod on hand? > Dealers should not list rods that are not done yet. As a rule of thumb, if > you do not see a picture of the actual rod on a site, it does not exist. > Simple as that. (This applies to new rods, but why would you want to buy a > vinatge rod unseen?). > 4. If a guy buys a rod from a dealer, am I able to sell future rods to that > customer directly? Whose customer is he/she? Several good spats have been > started over this very issue. > 5. Do you get paid immediately after the 3 day inspection period? You > should. > > Ask any promising full time maker (not me), and they will tell you that they > are busting their butts getting rods out. They play the game and try to get > as many dealers as they can to see their rods. It is a hard game to play. It > is frustrating. You find out who you can trust after time passes. It is like > any relationship. > My advice to those who want to sell rods would be...sell the rods on your > own or rely on dealers alone. Do not mix the two. This way you either have > the benefit of more profit for each rod, or you have the steady income a > dealer will provide. Also, don't sign on with a dealer who will sign on any > guy who guarantees him a rod. Why place your product in a pool of guys? It > makes no sense. > Find someone you trust if you sell through dealers. We are a cynical lot. We > see our hard work and not the dealers. Work with someone who will prove that > they are actively out to sell your rods. It's tough to give up all that work > and share the profit with someone else. If I make a rod ($750 retail)in 40 > hours and get $525 for it after dealer's cut, I make $13.13 an hour. The > dealer makes $225. Did he really work 17.13 hours to sell that rod? Of > course not. BUT, he sold the rod, and that is all he needed to do. > > My advice to everyone else is...build rods for fun. One day, after I pay off > all this tooling and cane...I would like to do that again. I mean, who > wouldn't want to do what they love with no strings attached? A business is a > very big string sometimes. A very big string. > > Best regards and good luck, > Bob Maulucci > > >From swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Wed Jan 23 20:58:52 2002 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O2wqW16047 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:58:52 - 0600 (CST) Received: from user-2ive06j.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.0.211]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ta6C-0004ch-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:58:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:56:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Dealers From: "swiftriverflyfishing" To: bob@downandacross.com, rodmakers Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Reply-To: swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Bob - Some good points. I have found consignment sales to be very hard on both dealers and makers and I would shy away from them. The few times I have given rods to dealers to sell on consignment all led to bad feelings. And, as a dealer I do not like to take stuff on consignment. I pay up front and hope that I can make my investment back. I would never recommend consignment arrangements to any one unless there was a lot of trust and a good solid relationship to start with. I think you should know and like the dealers who sell your rods. It is hard for me to imagine a case in which I would sell a rod at a price higher than that for which the maker would have sold it. I am not sure it is dishonest but it would sure feel like I was breaking a trust. Dealers who do that sort of thing are probably pretty short lived. That is one of the reasons that guys like Mark Aroner do not even sell rods at retail price to dealers. Mark takes 3 to 4 years to deliver a rod. When you place a deposit you lock in the price. In that time period inflation and demand are going to drive the price up. If you buy the rod at $1800 and four years later you get that rod and the price has gone up to $2400 for his new rods a dealer could easily make a nice profit just riding the float. So Mark only sells to dealers at retail price if he knows that they plan to keep the rod. Cane rods are hand crafted items and are the work of a particular maker. If I sell a rod to someone I do not own that person's business and I would never be unhappy if they went directly to the maker for future business. I do not know why they should have to deal with me unless I added some value. Any maker should know and trust his dealers and if they feel that the dealer is breaking some trust or ethic point it out and/or do not do business with the person in the future. Dealers who are unethical do a disservice to both other dealers and makers. Rick T. ---------- >From: "Bob Maulucci" >To: "rodmakers" >Subject: RE: Dealers >Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002, 9:22 PM > >Hi Bill and Rick: >There are a few things that I think need to be brought up. I agree with what >Rick has said on this issue. I sell most of my meager amount of rods sold >through word of mouth and from my website. I have sold a few through >dealers. I have a few on order from dealers as we speak. I appreciate their >trust in me to deliver a good product. They pay ahead of time, get a >discount and they wait in line like everyone else. Their deposit and a full >price deposit get in line just the same. >The way I see it, you need to start somewhere. For some, it is the local >tackle shop, and for others it is through shows. I like Dickerson's idea >that a good rod will sell itself, and you can stay busy without advertising. > >There are a few things that I can be awkward or bad situations. These are >hypothetical situations. >1. Big consignment fees (30%). People with the cash get the rods. There is >no way around it. If a guy takes a rod on consignment and I get $750 for >that same rod when I sell it, the guy only needs to make $525 to pay me. >Then someone says to the dealer, "Hey, I'll give you $600 for that." Hey >that is $75 in the dealer's pocket for little if any work. It is bad >publicity for the rodmaker because full price was not paid. The maker still >needs to pay excise tax on that rod. How does the maker know what the sale >price ended up being? He gets his agreed upon $525 when the rod gets sold. >2. The dealer sells a rod for more than your asking price. It has happened. >I don't know why someone would pay a third party (dealer) more, but they do. >Why is this bad? The dealer is cheating you out of the extra profit. >3. There are way too many dealers out there who flood their lists with rods >that do not exist. Looking at these lists, it is so confusing that a buyer >cannot really see through it. If you have a buyer who has money to burn, why >should you compete with imaginary rods when the dealer has your rod on hand? >Dealers should not list rods that are not done yet. As a rule of thumb, if >you do not see a picture of the actual rod on a site, it does not exist. >Simple as that. (This applies to new rods, but why would you want to buy a >vinatge rod unseen?). >4. If a guy buys a rod from a dealer, am I able to sell future rods to that >customer directly? Whose customer is he/she? Several good spats have been >started over this very issue. >5. Do you get paid immediately after the 3 day inspection period? You >should. > >Ask any promising full time maker (not me), and they will tell you that they >are busting their butts getting rods out. They play the game and try to get >as many dealers as they can to see their rods. It is a hard game to play. It >is frustrating. You find out who you can trust after time passes. It is like >any relationship. >My advice to those who want to sell rods would be...sell the rods on your >own or rely on dealers alone. Do not mix the two. This way you either have >the benefit of more profit for each rod, or you have the steady income a >dealer will provide. Also, don't sign on with a dealer who will sign on any >guy who guarantees him a rod. Why place your product in a pool of guys? It >makes no sense. >Find someone you trust if you sell through dealers. We are a cynical lot. We >see our hard work and not the dealers. Work with someone who will prove that >they are actively out to sell your rods. It's tough to give up all that work >and share the profit with someone else. If I make a rod ($750 retail)in 40 >hours and get $525 for it after dealer's cut, I make $13.13 an hour. The >dealer makes $225. Did he really work 17.13 hours to sell that rod? Of >course not. BUT, he sold the rod, and that is all he needed to do. > >My advice to everyone else is...build rods for fun. One day, after I pay off >all this tooling and cane...I would like to do that again. I mean, who >wouldn't want to do what they love with no strings attached? A business is a >very big string sometimes. A very big string. > >Best regards and good luck, >Bob Maulucci > >From piscator@macatawa.org Wed Jan 23 21:04:08 2002 Received: from freenet.macatawa.org (freenet.macatawa.org [206.26.113.2]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O347W17383 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:04:07 - 0600 (CST) Received: from VAIO (cisco2-146.macatawa.org [206.26.113.216]) by freenet.macatawa.org (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA12112 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:05:22 - 0500 (EST) >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Wed Jan 23 23:34:34 2002 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O5YXW14683 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:34:33 - 0600 (CST) Received: from user-2initcn.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.117.151] helo=g2t8c9) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TcWq-00040I-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:34:28 -0800 Message-ID: <002201c1a498$7e4c5300$977579a5@g2t8c9> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: Subject: $30 bamboo convection oven Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:32:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN A lot of you know I like to tinker. Heat treatment is something I like to control. I want to monitor the drying temp as well as the heat treating temp. I like to dry at 225* for 60 minutes and 350 for 25 minutes. Hot airgun ovens are nice but the good guns cost $$$ and the thought having to replace the gun in the middle of a project has stalled me on this type of oven. Mica strip ovens are quite a project and wiring and case building are not my strengths. I could buy an oven but the price is to close to a new rod and I rather have the rod. I started thinking about Ralph Moon and how he heat treats in a pipe as explained in Powerfibers. Well my little mind started to toss it around for awhile and it came to me how to use the concept of an airgun oven but using a torch and pipe. The cost is about $30 excluding torch and propane tank. I got the torch from Harbor Frieght for $19 and the propane tank free from an old barbque. The pipe can be purchased at any hardware store. I actually only had to screw it all together and TORCH ON! It can be hung by a chain or mounted. Holes can be drilled for monitoring temp. and it will never break. It is a convection oven and the cane is heated at the specific temp with moving air. This is a first version and I may modify it to improve it. Only experience using it will tell. Any reccomendations are welcome. I have it available in JPG. format and the pict is self explanatory. I will not post it to the list because some get upset. I will be sending it to Todds Talsma sight so you can also see it there. If you want a copy let me know or get it from Todds sight. Adam Vigil >From EM11EM22@aol.com Thu Jan 24 02:18:53 2002 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O8IqW23507 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:18:52 - 0600 (CST) Received: from EM11EM22@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.14a.7bd2b85 (4556) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:18:36 - 0500 (EST) From: EM11EM22@aol.com Message-ID: <14a.7bd2b85.29811d5c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:18:36 EST Subject: Silk Line To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Reply-To: EM11EM22@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I just got an old auto fly reel with a silk line on it. At least I think it's silk......... When burned it smells like hair, and produces a fine ash................... As a rank amateur with silk lines, I thought a silk fly line was a white, ivory or light tan color material, that, with an old tung oil/varnish finish on it would have an amber/brown coating on a lighter core. (A surface finish on top, and raw silk inside??????) Or does the finish penetrate all the way through the line, making it all dark brown? My line is dark brown all the way through, and very stiff................ Is this the way old silk lines are before they are cleaned? Regards, Edward Miller (on the west coast) >From ajthramer@hotmail.com Thu Jan 24 02:47:13 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f107.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.107]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0O8lCW24049 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:47:12 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:47:07 -0800 Received: from 12.33.21.22 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:47:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.33.21.22] From: "Allen Thramer" To: swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Dealers and their influence on the market Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:47:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 08:47:07.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[B439C270:01C1A4B3] Reply-To: ajthramer@hotmail.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN After selling half a thousand rods through dealers i will try to put my perspective on it, in two parts . First to Rick and then to Bob, > 1) Many of the greatest rod makers (most?) sold rods through dealers >at >some time and often at the beginning of their careers when they were not >well known and did not have good access to markets. In some cases those >arrangements worked very well and eventually the makers would do the >majority of their selling directly. FE Thomas is a good example of that. In >other cases the arrangements were too confining and not financially >favorable to the makers and they wanted out of those deals badly and >sometimes even stopped making rods for a while until they could resurface >in >another location under a different business arrangement. I sold rods myself for 5 or 6 years, I was so frustrated with 'customer relations' that I stopped building for a couple of years. This was when no one wanted to talk bamboo and you were seen as some kind of Luddite. A dealer talked me imto sending him a few rods with the promise of no grief and no trouble, just a check in the mail once in a while. It was true and relived me from what I hated the most, pissing away time selling rods. I wanted to build and leave the selling that I hated to someone else. > > 2) In the tackle trade dealers generally buy at 40% off retail for >manufactured goods and 30% for hand made goods like bamboo and high end >reels. They take on the cost of advertising and all the other business >overhead. I figure that as a dealer if my final "profit" margin is 15% I >have done ok. And, if the rod does not sell the risk is mine. I could have >that rod for several years especially if it is from a new, unknown maker. > At 30% the dealer handles the phone work, credit cards, shipping single rods, overhead, advertising, lookie -lous, tire kickers, lets make a deal types and numerous other impediments to actually making rods. Other builders want to know how I make over a hundred rods a year, this is the most important cornerstone. It goes beyond the actual time involved, it includes running around the shop ticked off for 3 hrs due to a jackass not getting anything done. > 3) Many full time makers form relationships with a few dealers early >on >and then stick with them and sell only a portion of their production >through >dealers and the rest direct. Good dealers do not get in their way but >rather >help promote the maker, give him wide exposure and eventually allow the >maker to get more money for his rods as the demand increases. It is a kind >of partnership that should work to the advantage of both parties. > The most important thing - the dealer. Find some you like. I have a pretty firm list of most of the dealers. They are marked on the phone list in my shop with a color code..... Dealers are people too and have the same faults that anyone else does. Some buy outright and won't take orders, some take consignments and treat you with respect in all aspects of dealing. Some less respectful, slow pay, no pay(it does happen), change orders or do not offer a proper level of protection from the madding horde. Dealers can also be grouped into rough 'tiers' also. It is much harder to be carried by one of the 4 top tier dealers. Their long standing reputation carries with it the implicit endorsement of the builders work. They tend to take on builders who have shown talent, offer something unique to their customers, and manage their builders so that they are not in direct competition with each other. In other words ,the true proffessionals. They also have a much higher advertising cost as the maker is promoted in print with a periodical catalog. Second tier dealers have earned a reputation for fair and honest dealing, often through websites with no supporting print publication. They are simply on the way up. Third tier dealers...... hmmm.. often a problem enough for now A.J. > 4) Any respectable dealer sells the rods at the same price as the >maker >would sell them directly, not higher or lower. I would never undersell one >of my makers. If I do not have a rod in stock I refer the potential buyer >to >the maker. The only real advantage I have is the ability to sell from >stock. > > 5) As a maker if you know that you can sell a certain number of rods >at >a fixed price even if that price is lower than direct sales it can have a >stabilizing effect and insure a steady flow of income. Twenty rods per year >at $700 plus 20 rods per year at $1000 is $34,000. If you get to the point >that you can sell 25 or 30 rods directly at $1250 or $1500 then maybe those >dealers to whom you do not owe any loyalty fall off your list. > > 6) Some makers refuse to sell through dealers. They don't need em and >they have enough trouble making ends meet. More power to em. A maker should >only sell through a dealer if that dealers adds something to their ability >to make a living. As a dealer I want the makers that sell to me to do well, >to become famous, to raise their art to new levels. > > Hey, good topic and maybe other folks will weigh in. > >Rick T. > > >---------- > >From: Bill Walters > >To: rodmakers > >Subject: Dealers and their influence on the market > >Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002, 1:26 PM > > > > >Someone mentioned to me in an offlist comment that > >dealers typically charge 30% to handle maker's rods. > >Is this true? I would think that this fact alone would > >call for some organization of this group (IMHO of > >course), if not a Guild (I know--dirty word with some) > >then some kind of confederation that would work > >together to negotiate better rates because as the > >person I was corresponding with said, you won't be > >able to sell to any of these people that are buying > >from the dealer without the dealer. Or, find some way > >to group together to get more exposure to sell your > >rods directly. I'm still very much a novice and not > >acquainted with selling through any dealers but it > >seems to me that while the dealers serve a purpose > >they are keeping the prices artificially high. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > >---------- > >From: Bill Walters > >To: rodmakers > >Subject: Dealers and their influence on the market > >Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002, 1:26 PM > > > > >Someone mentioned to me in an offlist comment that > >dealers typically charge 30% to handle maker's rods. > >Is this true? I would think that this fact alone would > >call for some organization of this group (IMHO of > >course), if not a Guild (I know--dirty word with some) > >then some kind of confederation that would work > >together to negotiate better rates because as the > >person I was corresponding with said, you won't be > >able to sell to any of these people that are buying > >from the dealer without the dealer. Or, find some way > >to group together to get more exposure to sell your > >rods directly. I'm still very much a novice and not > >acquainted with selling through any dealers but it > >seems to me that while the dealers serve a purpose > >they are keeping the prices artificially high. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com >From petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Jan 24 04:09:48 2002 Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OA9kW25128 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:09:46 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mckean (dialup-m1-21.Launceston.netspace.net.au [210.15.253.149]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0OA9Xb59871; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:09:33 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <002701c1a4bf$1de5e900$95fd0fd2@mckean> From: "Peter McKean" To: Cc: "rodmakers" References: <20020123182637.79666.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Dealers and their influence on the market Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:08:44 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: petermckean@netspace.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bill I guess that dealers in any field charge what the market will stand; and they are encouraged by the maker to kep the price as high as can be sustained. To me, that is simply the way that the system works. I have had dealings with only two "dealers", both in the US, and I must say that I have found both of them to be honest and trustworthy people. Cheers Peter >From petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Jan 24 04:31:40 2002 Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OAVbW25512 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:31:38 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mckean (dialup-m1-21.Launceston.netspace.net.au [210.15.253.149]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0OAVTf63601; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:31:29 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <006c01c1a4c2$2e23e6c0$95fd0fd2@mckean> From: "Peter McKean" To: Cc: "rodmakers" References: <14a.7bd2b85.29811d5c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Silk Line Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:30:41 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: petermckean@netspace.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Edward You BURNED it? Please go and stand in the corner now. Never come out! Peter [:-)] >From rcurry@ttlc.net Thu Jan 24 07:36:04 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0ODa3W01362 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:36:03 - 0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [208.130.15.82] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AD9027770128; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:35:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3C500E6B.7020005@ttlc.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:38:51 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EM11EM22@aol.com, rod Subject: Re: Silk Line References: <14a.7bd2b85.29811d5c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Edward, That is the way "oiled" silk lines are before they are cleaned. "Enameled" silk lines would only have a surface coating... and are to be avoided. Light colored silk fly lines were not that common. Remember, silk fly lines were fished as sinking lines as well as floating lines, and sinking lines are still usually dark. Restoring the line may cause it to lighten a little, but not much. For details on how to restore your line, check the article on purchasing and restoring old silk lines under "Articles' on my website. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ EM11EM22@aol.com wrote: > I just got an old auto fly reel with a silk line on it. At least I think it's > silk......... > When burned it smells like hair, and produces a fine ash................... > > As a rank amateur with silk lines, I thought a silk fly line was a white, > ivory or light tan color material, that, with an old tung oil/varnish finish > on it would have an amber/brown coating on a lighter core. (A surface finish > on top, and raw silk inside??????) > Or does the finish penetrate all the way through the line, making it all dark > brown? > > My line is dark brown all the way through, and very stiff................ > > Is this the way old silk lines are before they are cleaned? > > Regards, > Edward Miller > (on the west coast) > > > . > > -- >From aport@si.rr.com Thu Jan 24 07:44:52 2002 Received: from si.rr.com (nycsmtp3fa.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.79]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0ODipW01976 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:44:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from den ([24.90.8.22]) by si.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c1a4dd$08707540$9600a8c0@si.rr.com> From: "arthur port" To: "Rodmakers" References: <007701c1a453$a0bd83e0$c747903f@oemcomputer> <009701c1a46b$3b633d60$ae646c0c@billharm> Subject: O/T Question and rant Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:42:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content- Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X- Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Reply-To: aport@si.rr.com Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Guys- I just got a catalog in and it has an interesting item. Made me wonder. Now I know flyfishers have to have the sharpest and most elegant whoop-de-dos out there ( $100 Dr Slick scissors, $700 gr****te rods, and it's in so much stuff now-a-days I'm waiting to see Hersheys come out with a TITANIUM (!) chocolate bar) but this particular catalog has a pair of nickel silver hackle pliers. I haven't seen a lot of stuff other than ferrules and reelseats made of this stuff, but isn't making something springy out of it kinda like making them out of copper, or tin??? I didn't know who else to spring this one on and figured enough of you guys work with the stuff that SOMEbody'd be able to debunk either their claim or mine. Any offers? Thanks, Art >From Grhghlndr@aol.com Thu Jan 24 08:28:07 2002 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OES6W03186 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:28:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from Grhghlndr@aol.com by imo- m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 4.ce.206c40b7 (30974) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:27:56 -0500 (EST) From: Grhghlndr@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:27:56 EST Subject: Nickle silver hackle pliers To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce.206c40b7.298173ec_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: Grhghlndr@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN -- part1_ce.206c40b7.298173ec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Art, I have made springs out of nickel silver for patch boxes on muzzle loading rifles before and they seem to hold up well. Some of the old fancy muzzle loaders of days gone by have had nickel silver inserts including patch boxes and also utilized NS springs. http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --part1_ce.206c40b7.298173ec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Art,
I have made springs out of nickel silver for patch boxes on muzzle loading rifles before and they seem to hold up well.  Some of the old fancy muzzle loaders of days gone by have had nickel silver inserts including patch boxes and also utilized NS springs.

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 -- part1_ce.206c40b7.298173ec_boundary-- >From castafly@charter.net Thu Jan 24 09:09:18 2002 Received: from dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc- mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.17]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OF9HW05212 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:09:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from [24.205.219.29] ([24.205.219.29] verified) by dc- mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with ESMTP id 365444 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:21:40 - 0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:11:29 -0800 Subject: Stripping Varnish Around Inscription From: Jeff Ferguson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Reply-To: castafly@charter.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have an old Folsom (Heddon) rod I would like to restore. I need to completely strip the old varnish off, but I would like to leave the inscription intact. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to do this or what kind of stripper wont remove the ink inscription? Thanks in advance... >From briansr@point- net.com Thu Jan 24 09:35:30 2002 Received: from postman.point-net.com (postman.point-net.com [206.123.4.63]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OFZSW06801 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:35:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from johndoe (A02-ppp26.point-net.com [206.123.4.231]) by postman.point-net.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id g0OF5C709995; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:05:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c1a4e7$834321a0$e7047bce@johndoe> From: "brian sturrock" To: , References: Subject: Re: Dealers and their influence on the market Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:57:52 -0500 MIME- Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content- Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: briansr@point-net.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Allen Excellent post !!!You've really put the subject into perspective.This is also true of art and dealing with galleries who will charge much more(usually 50% )Personally I CAN'T preen and flatter a potential buyer.The talent of a salesman just isn't in me. Cheers Brian : Re: Dealers and their influence on the market > After selling half a thousand rods through dealers i will try to put my > perspective on it, in two parts . First to Rick and then to Bob, > > > > 1) Many of the greatest rod makers (most?) sold rods through dealers > >at > >some time and often at the beginning of their careers when they were not > >well known and did not have good access to markets. In some cases those > >arrangements worked very well and eventually the makers would do the > >majority of their selling directly. FE Thomas is a good example of that. In > >other cases the arrangements were too confining and not financially > >favorable to the makers and they wanted out of those deals badly and > >sometimes even stopped making rods for a while until they could resurface > >in > >another location under a different business arrangement. > > > > I sold rods myself for 5 or 6 years, I was so frustrated with 'customer > relations' that I stopped building for a couple of years. This was when no > one wanted to talk bamboo and you were seen as some kind of Luddite. A > dealer talked me imto sending him a few rods with the promise of no grief > and no trouble, just a check in the mail once in a while. It was true and > relived me from what I hated the most, pissing away time selling rods. I > wanted to build and leave the selling that I hated to someone else. > > > > > > 2) In the tackle trade dealers generally buy at 40% off retail for > >manufactured goods and 30% for hand made goods like bamboo and high end > >reels. They take on the cost of advertising and all the other business > >overhead. I figure that as a dealer if my final "profit" margin is 15% I > >have done ok. And, if the rod does not sell the risk is mine. I could have > >that rod for several years especially if it is from a new, unknown maker. > > > > At 30% the dealer handles the phone work, credit cards, shipping single > rods, overhead, advertising, lookie -lous, tire kickers, lets make a deal > types and numerous other impediments to actually making rods. Other builders > want to know how I make over a hundred rods a year, this is the most > important cornerstone. It goes beyond the actual time involved, it includes > running around the shop ticked off for 3 hrs due to a jackass not getting > anything done. > > > > 3) Many full time makers form relationships with a few dealers early > >on > >and then stick with them and sell only a portion of their production > >through > >dealers and the rest direct. Good dealers do not get in their way but > >rather > >help promote the maker, give him wide exposure and eventually allow the > >maker to get more money for his rods as the demand increases. It is a kind > >of partnership that should work to the advantage of both parties. > > > > > The most important thing - the dealer. Find some you like. I have a pretty > firm list of most of the dealers. They are marked on the phone list in my > shop with a color code..... Dealers are people too and have the same faults > that anyone else does. > > Some buy outright and won't take orders, some take consignments and treat > you with respect in all aspects of dealing. Some less respectful, slow pay, > no pay(it does happen), change orders or do not offer a proper level of > protection from the madding horde. > > Dealers can also be grouped into rough 'tiers' also. It is much harder to be > carried by one of the 4 top tier dealers. Their long standing reputation > carries with it the implicit endorsement of the builders work. They tend to > take on builders who have shown talent, offer something unique to their > customers, and manage their builders so that they are not in direct > competition with each other. In other words ,the true proffessionals. They > also have a much higher advertising cost as the maker is promoted in print > with a periodical catalog. Second tier dealers have earned a reputation for > fair and honest dealing, often through websites with no supporting print > publication. They are simply on the way up. Third tier dealers...... hmmm.. > often a problem > enough for now > A.J. > > > > 4) Any respectable dealer sells the rods at the same price as the > >maker > >would sell them directly, not higher or lower. I would never undersell one > >of my makers. If I do not have a rod in stock I refer the potential buyer > >to > >the maker. The only real advantage I have is the ability to sell from > >stock. > > > > 5) As a maker if you know that you can sell a certain number of rods > >at > >a fixed price even if that price is lower than direct sales it can have a > >stabilizing effect and insure a steady flow of income. Twenty rods per year > >at $700 plus 20 rods per year at $1000 is $34,000. If you get to the point > >that you can sell 25 or 30 rods directly at $1250 or $1500 then maybe those > >dealers to whom you do not owe any loyalty fall off your list. > > > > 6) Some makers refuse to sell through dealers. They don't need em and > >they have enough trouble making ends meet. More power to em. A maker should > >only sell through a dealer if that dealers adds something to their ability > >to make a living. As a dealer I want the makers that sell to me to do well, > >to become famous, to raise their art to new levels. > > > > Hey, good topic and maybe other folks will weigh in. > > > >Rick T. > > > > > >---------- > > >From: Bill Walters > > >To: rodmakers > > >Subject: Dealers and their influence on the market > > >Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002, 1:26 PM > > > > > > > >Someone mentioned to me in an offlist comment that > > >dealers typically charge 30% to handle maker's rods. > > >Is this true? I would think that this fact alone would > > >call for some organization of this group (IMHO of > > >course), if not a Guild (I know--dirty word with some) > > >then some kind of confederation that would work > > >together to negotiate better rates because as the > > >person I was corresponding with said, you won't be > > >able to sell to any of these people that are buying > > >from the dealer without the dealer. Or, find some way > > >to group together to get more exposure to sell your > > >rods directly. I'm still very much a novice and not > > >acquainted with selling through any dealers but it > > >seems to me that while the dealers serve a purpose > > >they are keeping the prices artificially high. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > > >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > > > > >---------- > > >From: Bill Walters > > >To: rodmakers > > >Subject: Dealers and their influence on the market > > >Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002, 1:26 PM > > > > > > > >Someone mentioned to me in an offlist comment that > > >dealers typically charge 30% to handle maker's rods. > > >Is this true? I would think that this fact alone would > > >call for some organization of this group (IMHO of > > >course), if not a Guild (I know--dirty word with some) > > >then some kind of confederation that would work > > >together to negotiate better rates because as the > > >person I was corresponding with said, you won't be > > >able to sell to any of these people that are buying > > >from the dealer without the dealer. Or, find some way > > >to group together to get more exposure to sell your > > >rods directly. I'm still very much a novice and not > > >acquainted with selling through any dealers but it > > >seems to me that while the dealers serve a purpose > > >they are keeping the prices artificially high. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > > >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > >From JNL123141@msn.com Thu Jan 24 09:40:01 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe142.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.135]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OFe0W07274 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:40:00 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:39:51 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.192.65.56] From: "John Long" To: "RodmakersPost" Subject: Scraping, sanding Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:38:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A4C3.3DD2FCE0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 15:39:51.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CB0CE60:01C1A4ED] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A4C3.3DD2FCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use Urac glue and wet wipe as best I can after binding. After string r= emoval, the best thing I have tried for scraping is the side (non-cutting= edge) of my plane blade. It is also easy to touch up with a file and ge= t a bit of a burl on the edge. I scrape until the enamel is almost gone = then lightly sand with 220 grit then 400 grit using a small piece of stee= l for a sanding block. Haven't had any problems avoiding corners or over= -sanding. John =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A4C3.3DD2FCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I use Urac glu= e and wet wipe as best I can after binding.  After string removal, t= he best thing I have tried for scraping is the side (non-cutting edge) of= my plane blade.  It is also easy to touch up with a file and get a = bit of a burl on the edge.  I scrape until the enamel is almost = ;gone then lightly sand with 220 grit then 400 grit using a small pi= ece of steel for a sanding block.  Haven't had any problems avoiding= corners or over-sanding.
 
John 
------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A4C3.3DD2FCE0-- >From dryfly@erols.com Thu Jan 24 10:52:41 2002 Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OGqeW11496 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:52:40 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 208-58-202-59.s59.tnt1.bltm.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.202.59] helo=erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Tn79-00004Q-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:52:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5063C8.A64EA758@erols.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:43:04 -0800 From: Robert S Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajthramer@hotmail.com CC: swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Dealers and their influence on the market References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: dryfly@erols.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I think the demise of many self employed one-man run businesses is managing the balancing act of selling and production/servicing. Those caught up in the production/servicing side often don't spend enough time on the selling side (now that I've worked hard to complete the job where is the my next order coming from) and those caught on the selling side often don't spend enough time on the production/serving side (now that I've sold x number of items how am I going to produce to meet the orders). It can be a viscous cycle. An Interesting Dealer Story Back before I began building cane rods I used to build graphite rods (I'm not afraid to admit it, you know admission of a problem/weaknes is the first step to recovery) , mostly for myself and occasionally I would sell some that I no longer had use for. Once I had built a rod from a discontinued Cabella blank ($70), never fished it and asked a shop to sell it for about $170 as is, no warranty. It was well finished rod, custom turned seat, a REC N/S seat, highly figured wood seat, etc.. The shop sold it rather quickly. About five months later, I got a call from the dealer, the buyer broke the tip while casting the rod the first time he used it. I later found out the rod was whacked against a tree while casting. It also looked like it had been used for years, the grip was very very dirty, the reel seat insert and hardware were all scuffed up and scratched, it was obvious that the rod wasn't broken the first time it was fished. The shop wanted to know about fixing it. Luckily Cabellas had an extra tip leftover which I purchased, wrapped and charged the shop $75. A few weeks later the shop called, the buyer broke the rod again, this time the butt and the buyer was irate. I told the shop owner that I didn't think that Cabella's carried the blank anymore, the shop owner was frustrated and decided to offer the buyer a huge discount on a new Sage rod to keep him happy. Now for the kicker, about a year later I was telling the story to someone and he just happened to be the next door neighbor to the buyer, he informed me that shop had sold the rod to the buyer for more than $350, just a tad more than I asked them to sell it for. I guess the buyer should have been more irate with the shop and the shop ended up losing far more than the profit they made on the rod. Bob >From briansr@point-net.com Thu Jan 24 11:24:36 2002 Received: from postman.point-net.com (postman.point-net.com [206.123.4.63]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OHOZW13232 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:24:35 - 0600 (CST) Received: from johndoe (A02-ppp03.point-net.com [206.123.4.208]) by postman.point-net.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id g0OHTQ729257; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:29:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c1a4fb$9cc09d60$d0047bce@johndoe> From: "brian sturrock" To: , "Rodmakers" References: <007701c1a453$a0bd83e0$c747903f@oemcomputer> <009701c1a46b$3b633d60$ae646c0c@billharm> <000401c1a4dd$08707540$9600a8c0@si.rr.com> Subject: Re: O/T Question and rant Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:21:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: briansr@point-net.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Art They WILL hold up ! I've got a pair that I've used since 1967.Still in use Cheers Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "arthur port" To: "Rodmakers" Sent: January 24, 2002 8:42 AM Subject: O/T Question and rant > Guys- > I just got a catalog in and it has an interesting item. Made me wonder. > Now I know flyfishers have to have the sharpest and most elegant > whoop-de-dos out there ( $100 Dr Slick scissors, $700 gr****te rods, and > it's in so much stuff now-a-days I'm waiting to see Hersheys come out with a > TITANIUM (!) chocolate bar) but this particular catalog has a pair of nickel > silver hackle pliers. I haven't seen a lot of stuff other than ferrules and > reelseats made of this stuff, but isn't making something springy out of it > kinda like making them out of copper, or tin??? > I didn't know who else to spring this one on and figured enough of you > guys work with the stuff that SOMEbody'd be able to debunk either their > claim or mine. > Any offers? > Thanks, > Art > >From splitcane@attbi.com Thu Jan 24 11:45:39 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OHjdW14618 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:45:39 - 0600 (CST) Received: from david ([12.253.156.134]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020124132849.KRTN26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@david> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:28:49 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c1a4d7$69e19580$869cfd0c@attbi.com> From: "Dave Collyer" To: "and Collecting" Subject: Special Group Purchase Reel Seats Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:02:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: splitcane@attbi.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi All, I have secured all orders to date and there in my possession, some substitutes had to be made as list on the web page but there all very nice and I'm sure you will be pleased... The rest of the stock from my supplier has been sold, so I will not be able to fill any more orders from here on out... PS, I will be unavailable 1/27/02 thru 2/10/02 ( Baja On The Fly ) * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------------ * * * * * * * * * *------------------------------------------ * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------------ * * * * * * * * * *------------------------------------------ * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- " United We Stand " Take Care, Dave Denver Dave's Vintage Bamboo Rods www.denverdave.net >From harms1@pa.net Thu Jan 24 11:53:18 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OHrIW15149 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:53:18 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp189.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.189]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CAA784C881; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:49:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00b201c1a4ff$a9fe0fe0$bd646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , "RodmakersPost" References: Subject: Re: Scraping, sanding Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:50:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN What is the reason for leaving enamel on a rod, to be scraped or sanded off AFTER the rod has been built? This, I don't understand. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Long" To: "RodmakersPost" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Scraping, sanding I use Urac glue and wet wipe as best I can after binding. After string removal, the best thing I have tried for scraping is the side (non-cutting edge) of my plane blade. It is also easy to touch up with a file and get a bit of a burl on the edge. I scrape until the enamel is almost gone then lightly sand with 220 grit then 400 grit using a small piece of steel for a sanding block. Haven't had any problems avoiding corners or over-sanding. John >From ttalsma@macatawa.org Thu Jan 24 12:10:00 2002 Received: from sligh_nt.sligh.com ([208.163.7.219]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OIA0W16028 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:10:00 - 0600 (CST) Received: by mail with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:03:06 -0500 Received: from macatawa.org (TODDT [192.1.1.173]) by sligh_nt.sligh.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2QPVR35; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:02:59 -0500 From: Todd Talsma To: Adam Vigil Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Message-ID: <3C504D25.28CF89CE@macatawa.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:06:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: $30 bamboo convection oven References: <002201c1a498$7e4c5300$977579a5@g2t8c9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ttalsma@macatawa.org Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All, This has now been updated on the tips site. To get to it, go to the site and select "Contraptions" and then "Ovens". Then, just click on the picture of the oven. The other picture is quite large (not the file size, but the picture itself, if that makes sense), so you may need to scroll to see the whole picture. Any questions, let me know. Adam Vigil wrote: > > A lot of you know I like to tinker. Heat treatment is something I like to > control. I want to monitor the drying temp as well as the heat treating > temp. I like to dry at 225* for 60 minutes and 350 for 25 minutes. Hot > airgun ovens are nice but the good guns cost $$$ and the thought having to > replace the gun in the middle of a project has stalled me on this type of > oven. Mica strip ovens are quite a project and wiring and case building are > not my strengths. I could buy an oven but the price is to close to a new rod > and I rather have the rod. > > I started thinking about Ralph Moon and how he heat treats in a pipe as > explained in Powerfibers. Well my little mind started to toss it around for > awhile and it came to me how to use the concept of an airgun oven but using > a torch and pipe. The cost is about $30 excluding torch and propane tank. I > got the torch from Harbor Frieght for $19 and the propane tank free from an > old barbque. The pipe can be purchased at any hardware store. I actually > only had to screw it all together and TORCH ON! It can be hung by a chain or > mounted. Holes can be drilled for monitoring temp. and it will never break. > It is a convection oven and the cane is heated at the specific temp with > moving air. > > This is a first version and I may modify it to improve it. Only experience > using it will tell. Any reccomendations are welcome. > I have it available in JPG. format and the pict is self explanatory. I will > not post it to the list because some get upset. I will be sending it to > Todds Talsma sight so you can also see it there. > > If you want a copy let me know or get it from Todds sight. > > Adam Vigil -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: mailto://ttalsma@macatawa.org web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction >From lblan@provide.net Thu Jan 24 12:25:36 2002 Received: from provide.net (mail.provide.net [216.86.64.42]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OIPaW17018 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:25:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from [199.178.212.2] (account ) by provide.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5b5) with HTTP id 10177831 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:25:35 -0500 From: Subject: Re: O/T Question and rant To: Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5b5 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:25:35 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c1a4dd$08707540$9600a8c0@si.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: lblan@provide.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN My favorite hackle plier was given to me by a friend, and just happens to be copper, or a copper alloy. They were ancient and well used when I received them. Larry Blan On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:42:57 -0500 "arthur port" wrote: > Guys- > I just got a catalog in and it has an interesting > item. Made me wonder. > Now I know flyfishers have to have the sharpest and most > elegant > whoop-de-dos out there ( $100 Dr Slick scissors, $700 > gr****te rods, and > it's in so much stuff now-a-days I'm waiting to see > Hersheys come out with a > TITANIUM (!) chocolate bar) but this particular catalog > has a pair of nickel > silver hackle pliers. I haven't seen a lot of stuff other > than ferrules and > reelseats made of this stuff, but isn't making something > springy out of it > kinda like making them out of copper, or tin??? > I didn't know who else to spring this one on and > figured enough of you > guys work with the stuff that SOMEbody'd be able to > debunk either their > claim or mine. > Any offers? > Thanks, > Art >From CALucker@aol.com Thu Jan 24 12:55:45 2002 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OItiW18842 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:55:44 - 0600 (CST) Received: from CALucker@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id p.16.190a13d2 (16782); Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:55:33 -0500 (EST) From: CALucker@aol.com Message-ID: <16.190a13d2.2981b2a5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:55:33 EST Subject: Re: Mill drawing To: piscator@macatawa.org, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16.190a13d2.2981b2a5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Reply-To: CALucker@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_16.190a13d2.2981b2a5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice job. Chris Lucker --part1_16.190a13d2.2981b2a5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice job.  
Chris Lucker --part1_16.190a13d2.2981b2a5_boundary-- >From jerryy@webtv.net Thu Jan 24 13:14:57 2002 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105- 1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OJEuW20091 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:14:57 - 0600 (CST) Received: from storefull-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull- 2111.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.151]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 4596214C1 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:14:56 - 0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull- 2111.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id LAA00069; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:14:56 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQMCnBr0ZdLk0gLK5O6H5ypFQAY1AIVAMPIVkm0rWd+vFsbbk36WkvpgciS From: jerryy@webtv.net (Jerry Young) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:14:55 -0500 (EST) To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Oven Fan Motor Message-ID: <612-3C505D2F-1945@storefull-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Reply-To: jerryy@webtv.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Plan to make some changes to my oven, ie: covering mica heat strip with a 1/4" X 4" steelbar to control radiant heat and add a centrifical blower in the end of the oven. The fan shafts, that I have seen, get very hot and affect the motor. Has anyone found a way to prevent the heat from destroying the motor. Any synthetics I could make a coupling from? TIA Jerry >From horsesho@ptd.net Thu Jan 24 13:21:29 2002 Received: from smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.84]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0OJLSW20628 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:21:28 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 18440 invoked by uid 50005); 24 Jan 2002 19:21:14 -0000 Received: from horsesho@ptd.net by smtpd with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4181. . Clean. Processed in 3.583295 secs); 24 Jan 2002 19:21:14 -0000 Received: from du211017.cli.ptd.net (HELO ptd.net) ([204.186.211.17]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jan 2002 19:21:09 -0000 Message-ID: <3C505C6E.10802@ptd.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:11:42 -0500 From: "Marty D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: castafly@charter.net CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Stripping Varnish Around Inscription References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: horsesho@ptd.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Jeff, Remove all the varnish with the stripper but stay away from the writing. Use Alcohol on a Q tip to remove the varnish over the writing. I forget who on this list posted this tip but it does work (at least most of the time). I tried it on 3 different rods and it worked perfectly once and fairly well the other 2 times. If it does not remove all the varnish you can still get great finished results by sanding the remaining varnish as flat as possible and staining some varnish to blend the color so the change by the writing is not to drastic.Work slowly with the Q -tip and alcohol and try not to rub but use it in a rolling fashion. Marty Jeff Ferguson wrote: >I have an old Folsom (Heddon) rod I would like to restore. I need to >completely strip the old varnish off, but I would like to leave the >inscription intact. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to do this >or what kind of stripper wont remove the ink inscription? Thanks in >advance... > > > >From horsesho@ptd.net Thu Jan 24 13:38:22 2002 Received: from smtpe.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpe.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.85]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0OJcLW22611 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:38:22 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 22806 invoked by uid 50005); 24 Jan 2002 19:38:18 -0000 Received: from horsesho@ptd.net by smtpe with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4181. . Clean. Processed in 0.715819 secs); 24 Jan 2002 19:38:18 -0000 Received: from du211017.cli.ptd.net (HELO ptd.net) ([204.186.211.17]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpe.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jan 2002 19:38:17 -0000 Message-ID: <3C506075.2010909@ptd.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:28:53 -0500 From: "Marty D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: harms1@pa.net CC: JNL123141@msn.com, RodmakersPost Subject: Re: Scraping, sanding References: <00b201c1a4ff$a9fe0fe0$bd646c0c@billharm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: horsesho@ptd.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Bill, Someone once told me that the enamel acts as a "release agent" to make removing the glue easier. I remove all enamel EXCEPT for a very thin haze before final planing.. This I leave until after glue up. It also helps keep you from removing the power fibers when removing the glue. Marty WILLIAM HARMS wrote: >What is the reason for leaving enamel on a rod, to be scraped or sanded off >AFTER the rod has been built? This, I don't understand. > >cheers, Bill > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Long" >To: "RodmakersPost" >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:38 AM >Subject: Scraping, sanding > > >I use Urac glue and wet wipe as best I can after binding. After string >removal, the best thing I have tried for scraping is the side (non-cutting >edge) of my plane blade. It is also easy to touch up with a file and get a >bit of a burl on the edge. I scrape until the enamel is almost gone then >lightly sand with 220 grit then 400 grit using a small piece of steel for a >sanding block. Haven't had any problems avoiding corners or over-sanding. > >John > > > > >From JNL123141@msn.com Thu Jan 24 14:13:26 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe142.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.135]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OKDPW29082 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:13:25 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:13:19 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.209.182.141] From: "John Long" To: "Bob Maulucci" , "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: Scraping, sanding Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:11:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A4E9.71533BE0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 20:13:19.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[90F8CA30:01C1A513] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A4E9.71533BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob, Thanks, I'll try it! john ----- Original Message ----- From: across@www.downandacross.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:48 AM To: jnl123141@msn.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: Scraping, sanding John: That is almost exactly like I do scraping my blanks. In the past, I have gone overboard with the scraping using the 212. It is not a great idea. As for sanding blocks, I like the one Bret Reiter has been making. It uses very little paper, and it is good in close. I still use my rubber sanding block at times to get rough work accomplished, but I like the fact that the block from Bret is just wide enough to use a full inch or so paper without too much of a hard time controlling the stroke. On Tom Morgan's advice, I have been using a slighty radiused block to keep the maximum power fibers on the strips. I have rounded the bottom of the block by placing a sheet of 120 on the culm. I run the sanding block over it to put a reverse curve into the block. Works for me. Bob Original Message: ----------------- From: John Long JNL123141@msn.com Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:38:20 -0500 To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Scraping, sanding I use Urac glue and wet wipe as best I can after binding. After string removal, the best thing I have tried for scraping is the side (non-cutting edge) of my plane blade. It is also easy to touch up with a file and get a bit of a burl on the edge. I scrape until the enamel is almost gone then lightly sand with 220 grit then 400 grit using a small piece of steel for a sanding block. Haven't had any problems avoiding corners or over-sanding. John -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A4E9.71533BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,
Thanks, I'll try it!
 
john 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: a= cross@www.downandacross.com
Sent= : Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:48 AM
To: jnl123141@msn.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu
Subject: RE: Scraping, sanding =
 
John:
That is almost exactly like I do scraping my bl= anks. In the past, I have
gone overboard with the scraping using the 2= 12. It is not a great idea.
As for sanding blocks, I like the one Bret= Reiter has been making. It
uses very little paper, and it is good in = close.
I still use my rubber sanding block at times to get rough work<= BR>accomplished, but I like the fact that the block from Bret is just wid= e
enough to use a full inch or so paper without too much of a hard tim= e
controlling the stroke.
On Tom Morgan's advice, I have been using= a slighty radiused block to
keep the maximum power fibers on the stri= ps. I have rounded the
bottom of the block by placing a sheet of 120 o= n the culm. I run the
sanding block over it to put a reverse curve int= o the block.
Works for me.
Bob


Original Message:
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From: John Long JNL123141@msn.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2= 002 10:38:20 -0500
To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu
Subject: Scraping= , sanding


I use Urac glue and wet wipe as best I can after bin= ding.  After string
removal, the best thing I have tried for scra= ping is the side (non-cutting
edge) of my plane blade.  It is als= o easy to touch up with a file and get a
bit of a burl on the edge.&nb= sp; I scrape until the enamel is almost gone then
lightly sand with 22= 0 grit then 400 grit using a small piece of steel for a
sanding block.=   Haven't had any problems avoiding corners or
over- sanding.
<= BR>John

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------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1A4E9.71533BE0-- >From Grayson.Davis@valpo.edu Thu Jan 24 14:18:24 2002 Received: from genesis.valpo.edu (mailsrv1.valpo.edu [152.228.34.23]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OKINW00021 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:18:23 - 0600 (CST) Received: from genesis.valpo.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by genesis.valpo.edu (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g0OKINb11052 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:18:23 - 0600 (CST) Received: from pluto.valpo.edu ([152.228.34.10]) by genesis.valpo.edu (NAVGW 2.5.1.13) with SMTP id M2002012414182228507 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:18:22 -0600 Received: from davis.neils.valpo.edu ([152.228.49.5]) by pluto.valpo.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0OKIMX04428 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:18:22 - 0600 (CST) From: Grayson Davis To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Oven Fan Motor In-Reply-To: <612-3C505D2F-1945@storefull-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:18:24 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Reply-To: Grayson.Davis@valpo.edu Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:14:55 -0500 (EST) jerryy@webtv.net wrote: > Plan to make some changes to my oven, ie: covering mica heat strip with > a 1/4" X 4" steelbar to control radiant heat and add a centrifical > blower in the end of the oven. The fan shafts, that I have seen, get > very hot and affect the motor. Has anyone found a way to prevent the > heat from destroying the motor. > Any synthetics I could make a coupling from? > > TIA > > Jerry > Because I build nodeless, I've never needed a long "strip" oven, but lately I've been thinking about building some rods with (gasp!) nodes still in them. Therefore, I've been thinking about ovens, too. A "Thermolyne" heating tape could be wrapped around a metal tube (large diameter electrical conduit?) to even up the radiant heat, but forced air movement inside would still be desirable. Maybe the fan shaft could be driven by a pulley belted to the motor. A long belt might not be in contact with the hot pulley long enough to be damaged or to heat the motor. Alternatively, a long rod could protrude into the oven and attach to a "dasher" on the inside. I could grap the rod with a gloved hand and push it in and out, as if I were churning butter instead of hot air (Can you tell I'm an academic?), every two or three minutes. The churn concept is so simple and cheap that it can't be any good. I can almost hear Terry Ackland saying, "You wanker, you're supposed to find the most involved ad difficult ways, not the simplest!" - Grayson ----------------------------------------- Grayson Davis Email: Grayson.Davis@valpo.edu Valparaiso University >From Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Thu Jan 24 14:43:36 2002 Received: from romulus.bhi-net.com (romulus.bhi-net.com [204.253.245.10]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0OKhaW03100 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:43:36 - 0600 (CST) Received: from bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) by romulus.bhi-net.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA09324 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:43:20 - 0600 (CST) Received: by smtphost.bakerhughes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:29:59 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Miller, Troy" To: Rodmakers Subject: Final Forms Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:39:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Finally, I am almost complete on my final forms. If you recall, I made them from 1" X 1" 1026 bar. Also, you may recall that I was having a heck of a time filing them flat. My plan was to take them to a local machine shop here in Houston and have them surface ground on a long bed. They told me to get them bolted up and then bring them over. Problem was, I needed to get the "inside" faces flush in order to bolt them. This machine shop is about 100 miles from my house, so I didn't want to drive over there repeatedly. So on Harry's advice, I bought a vixen file. After at least 15 hours of filing, I made next to zero progress. No doubt, I was disappointed and nearly ready to throw in the towel. One of the things I noticed was that every two strokes or so with the file, I'd have to whack the file to get rid of the fine rust dust that was coming off the bars. These were the bars that sat outside for a couple years.... On a whim, I got the bright idea to take my belt sander and just knock off all the rust, down to bare metal everywhere. I did not have the intention of trying to flatten the bars, just get rid of the rust that was acting like graphite lube. What a difference!! Now the file started to bite in and make those little curly shavings that Harry had promised. Within an hour or two, I had the bars flat. Since then, I have drilled, tapped, pinned, and bolted the bars together, and I have sanded and flat filed the tops and bottoms of them. So right now, I am in the process of filing the grooves with a triangular file as described on Penrose's site. Only a year later, and I have my forms! I did lay a 9-1/2 on there and the wider bars make a great flat base for a newbie to start planing on. Thanks for everyone's advice! TAM >From channer@frontier.net Thu Jan 24 18:03:42 2002 Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0P03fW14418 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:03:41 - 0600 (CST) Received: from frontier.net (ppp31.pm3-06.durango.frontier.net [66.118.194.31]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698457A5CC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:03:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C50A0D4.9CC73C50@frontier.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:03:32 -0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: harms1@pa.net Cc: JNL123141@msn.com, RodmakersPost Subject: Re: Scraping, sanding References: <00b201c1a4ff$a9fe0fe0$bd646c0c@billharm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN me neither. john WILLIAM HARMS wrote: > > What is the reason for leaving enamel on a rod, to be scraped or sanded off > AFTER the rod has been built? This, I don't understand. > > cheers, Bill >From canazon@mindspring.com Thu Jan 24 19:07:00 2002 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0P16xW16007 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:06:59 - 0600 (CST) Received: from sdn-ar-003nypougp194.dialsprint.net ([63.178.225.106] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TupW-0002lE-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01c1a544$8aac6e80$6ae1b23f@oemcomputer> From: "mike canazon" To: , "Rodmakers" References: Subject: Re: Final Forms Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:03:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: canazon@mindspring.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN hey troy, good work! now don't forget to round the edges of your blade. you don't want to start taking great big gouges of metal out of that new form mike >From fquinchat@locl.net Thu Jan 24 20:55:39 2002 Received: from mail.locl.net (root@lightning.locl.net [63.149.55.2]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0P2tcW01726 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:55:38 - 0600 (CST) Received: from oemcomputer (an394.locl.net [63.144.71.104]) by mail.locl.net (8.11.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id g0P2tbo21771 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:55:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004301c1a54e$e933c200$9947903f@oemcomputer> From: "Dennis Bertram" To: "Rodmakers" Subject: Fw: Scraping, sanding Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:18:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: fquinchat@locl.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Bertram To: harms1@pa.net Date: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Scraping, sanding >Bill, > >Thanks for the idea of using a file to remove the glue. I'm going to try >it. > >My practice has been to scrape and/or sand the enamel just before final >planing as I want to get a flat surface rather than a arc to fit against the >form. However after removing the string and sanding off the glue residue, I >still see what looks like patches of enamel in randon places along the >flats. It almost looks like there was a slight hollow and therefore the >enamel was not removed via sanding. Hence my choice of a 6" sanding block >to keep from hollowing, which of course got me in trouble with an undersized >blank. > >I guess the real question is: How do I get rid of the dull random patches, >or better yet what causes them in the first place? Very rarely are them >near a node. > >Dennis >-----Original Message----- >From: WILLIAM HARMS >To: JNL123141@msn.com ; RodmakersPost > >Date: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:01 PM >Subject: Re: Scraping, sanding > > >>What is the reason for leaving enamel on a rod, to be scraped or sanded off >>AFTER the rod has been built? This, I don't understand. >> >>cheers, Bill >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "John Long" >>To: "RodmakersPost" >>Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:38 AM >>Subject: Scraping, sanding >> >> >>I use Urac glue and wet wipe as best I can after binding. After string >>removal, the best thing I have tried for scraping is the side (non-cutting >>edge) of my plane blade. It is also easy to touch up with a file and get a >>bit of a burl on the edge. I scrape until the enamel is almost gone then >>lightly sand with 220 grit then 400 grit using a small piece of steel for a >>sanding block. Haven't had any problems avoiding corners or over-sanding. >> >>John >> >> > >From tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 21:05:48 2002 Received: from web11205.mail.yahoo.com (web11205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.187]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0P35lW03335 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:05:47 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020125030547.90353.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.255.50] by web11205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:05:47 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:05:47 -0800 (PST) From: timothy troester Subject: Re: Fw: Scraping, sanding To: fquinchat@locl.net, Rodmakers In-Reply-To: <004301c1a54e$e933c200$9947903f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN i have been using a file. timothy --- Dennis Bertram wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Bertram > To: harms1@pa.net > Date: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: Scraping, sanding > > > >Bill, > > > >Thanks for the idea of using a file to remove the > glue. I'm going to try > >it. > > > >My practice has been to scrape and/or sand the > enamel just before final > >planing as I want to get a flat surface rather than > a arc to fit against > the > >form. However after removing the string and > sanding off the glue residue, > I > >still see what looks like patches of enamel in > randon places along the > >flats. It almost looks like there was a slight > hollow and therefore the > >enamel was not removed via sanding. Hence my > choice of a 6" sanding block > >to keep from hollowing, which of course got me in > trouble with an > undersized > >blank. > > > >I guess the real question is: How do I get rid of > the dull random patches, > >or better yet what causes them in the first place? > Very rarely are them > >near a node. > > > >Dennis > >-----Original Message----- > >From: WILLIAM HARMS > >To: JNL123141@msn.com ; > RodmakersPost > > > >Date: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:01 PM > >Subject: Re: Scraping, sanding > > > > > >>What is the reason for leaving enamel on a rod, to > be scraped or sanded > off > >>AFTER the rod has been built? This, I don't > understand. > >> > >>cheers, Bill > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "John Long" > >>To: "RodmakersPost" > >>Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:38 AM > >>Subject: Scraping, sanding > >> > >> > >>I use Urac glue and wet wipe as best I can after > binding. After string > >>removal, the best thing I have tried for scraping > is the side (non-cutting > >>edge) of my plane blade. It is also easy to touch > up with a file and get > a > >>bit of a burl on the edge. I scrape until the > enamel is almost gone then > >>lightly sand with 220 grit then 400 grit using a > small piece of steel for > a > >>sanding block. Haven't had any problems avoiding > corners or over-sanding. > >> > >>John > >> > >> > > > ===== "Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, - "If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From TBOWDEN@halcyon.com Thu Jan 24 23:00:26 2002 Received: from mail4.halcyon.com (mail4.halcyon.com [206.63.63.62]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0P50PW06754 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:00:26 - 0600 (CST) Received: from tom-ppd5c8wicaz.halcyon.com (blv-tnt1-1-ip129.nwnexus.net [206.63.189.129]) by mail4.halcyon.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17694 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:00:18 - 0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020124205702.00b2ccc0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: tbowden@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:59:48 -0800 To: Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: Tom Bowden Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: TBOWDEN@halcyon.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN A few weeks ago I posted a question on fixing a male ferrule that I over-lapped. I really appreciated all of the helpful responses. Thought I'd let everyone know the resolution. One suggestion was to use wax on the ferrule and forget about it. I tried this, and still had the annoying "click". I then put more wax on & still had the click. Hmmmm..... Maybe it's not an over-lapped male. I took the ferrule off (I used ferrl-tite, so it was easy to remove), and noticed that the fit was loose. I put one turn of masking tape on the end of the ferrule station to build it up, and re-seated the ferrule. It still clicked! What the heck is happening? Then I remembered that I'd cleaned all of the wax off both ferrules. I tried the wax again. Lo & behold - no click!!!! I had screwed up twice - first by over-sanding the bamboo, and then over-sanding the male! So I ordered a replacement male - only about $15 with shipping. I glued bamboo shavings onto the ferrule station with pro-bond to build it back up, and sanded to get a good fit. Mounted and lapped the ferrule like normal. Took the rod out in the yard last weekend for a test cast & it's great! I feel good about fixing it right rather than compromising. This was my 11th rod & I haven't had problems like this before. So I can't claim "beginners ignorance". I was simply careless & rushed the process. I believe that mistakes are valuable if you learn from them. From now on, I'll take it slow and be more careful. And sometimes a problem has multiple causes, not just one. Tom >From EM11EM22@aol.com Fri Jan 25 02:27:47 2002 Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0P8RkW09971 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:27:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from EM11EM22@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.185.29ce7f7 (25099) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:27:36 -0500 (EST) From: EM11EM22@aol.com Message-ID: <185.29ce7f7.298270f8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:27:36 EST Subject: Re: Silk Line (NonRodMakingThread)) To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Reply-To: EM11EM22@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks for all the replies! In a message dated 1/24/02 5:31:18 AM, oborge@mwt.net writes: << So how are things on the west coast. Still full of loose marbles? >> I still have my original marble bag. Except I remember it being full.......... now where's my shooter, and steel bomb? If you got dropsy's, or "eye" dropsy's, my steel bomb would get ya every time! Regards, Edward Miller (on the west coast) >From dmanders@telusplanet.net Fri Jan 25 07:46:12 2002 Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout1.telus.net [199.185.220.236]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PDkBW12655 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:46:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from d9f5j4 ([161.184.21.133]) by priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with SMTP id <20020125134604.DSFC11387.priv-edtnes03- hme0.telusplanet.net@d9f5j4> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:46:04 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20020125064245.01366380@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: dmanders/pop.telusplanet.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:42:45 -0700 To: rodmakers@mail.wustL.edu From: Don & Sandy Andersen Subject: Re: Oven Fan Motor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: dmanders@telusplanet.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:24:53 -0700 >To: jerryy@webtv.net >From: Don & Sandy Andersen < >Subject: Re: Oven Fan Motor >In-Reply-To: <<612-3C505D2F-1945@storefull- 2111.public.lawson.webtv.net> > >Jerry, > >Ran into much the same problem. The first fan used a jack shaft mounted in 2 pillow block bearings running completely through the case of the oven and was driven by a old furnace fan motor. I finally screwed the fan up bad with my thumb. Only 5 stitches but that's another story. > >Replaced the fan with a furnace exhaust gas fan. This is a squirrel cage type of fan and is used for handling the exhaust gases from household furnaces. Figured that it would work and it has. No trouble so far. > >Have a picture if your need it to show mounting etc. > > >catch ya' > >Don > > >At 02:14 PM 1/24/02 -0500, you wrote: >>Plan to make some changes to my oven, ie: covering mica heat strip with >>a 1/4" X 4" steelbar to control radiant heat and add a centrifical >>blower in the end of the oven. The fan shafts, that I have seen, get >>very hot and affect the motor. Has anyone found a way to prevent the >>heat from destroying the motor. >>Any synthetics I could make a coupling from? >> >>TIA >> >>Jerry >> >> >> ffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html >From beadman@mac.com Fri Jan 25 08:32:06 2002 Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PEW5W14220 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:32:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from [131.182.102.70] ([131.182.102.70]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14544 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:31:44 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: beadman@mail.mac.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:26:46 -0500 To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: Claude Freaner Subject: Silk lines... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: beadman@mac.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I was just reading Ralph Shuey's article in the latest Power Fibers and it caused me to think of a question or two for the experts on the list. Does a silk line really need to be braided, or could it be furled like a leader? I've been furling leaders for quite some time now, and just got to wondering if a complete fly line made the same way might work. Also, while silk is traditional, could a fly line be made of a synthetic such as the fine-fibered fly tieing thread made by Unithread/Guudebrod/etc.? Are there distinct advantages you know of where silk is really superior to the synthetics, or was silk likely used because nylon/rayon/dacron just hadn't been invented at that point in time? Can anyone give me the exact measurements of the tapers on a series of silk lines - or point to a URL that has them? Thanks, Claude >From fquinchat@locl.net Fri Jan 25 08:36:31 2002 Received: from mail.locl.net (root@lightning.locl.net [63.149.55.2]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PEaUW14519 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:36:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from oemcomputer (an477.locl.net [63.144.71.187]) by mail.locl.net (8.11.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id g0PEaTo26754 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:36:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007101c1a5b0$cfe36d20$9947903f@oemcomputer> From: "Dennis Bertram" To: "Rodmakers" Subject: Splitting Knife Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:58:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: fquinchat@locl.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN For those of you using the Ron Grantham method of splitting - paring knife held in the vice: To improve safety and to keep the culm from riding up and off of the blade, I have epoxied another hard wood handle over the point of the blade. Dennis Bertram >From Mark.Babiy@stel.tdsb.on.ca Fri Jan 25 08:37:36 2002 Received: from stel.tdsb.on.ca (apollo.tdsb.on.ca [207.35.188.14]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PEbZW14617 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:37:35 -0600 (CST) Message-id: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:46:46 -0500 Subject: using ammonia carbonate and heat gun oven To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: "Mark Babiy" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: Mark.Babiy@stel.tdsb.on.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Has anybody used their heat gun oven and ammonia carbonate to tone bamboo? What steps did you take? Mauer writes about preheating the oven first with the ammonia carbonate in the oven, then placing the cane into the oven. Can't see how that would work with the heat gun oven. Any ideas? Thanks Mark >From stoltz10@attbi.com Fri Jan 25 09:14:43 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PFEhW16559 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:14:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from TimsXP ([12.225.31.80]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020125151432.UYGF26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@TimsXP> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:14:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c1a5b2$fd84dff0$501fe10c@TimsXP> From: "Tim" To: Subject: Fw: Silk lines... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:14:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: stoltz10@attbi.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Claude I'm certainly not an expert but it is my understanding is that when nylon was first used they were made just like they were making silk lines. Their problem was that they stretched which caused the finish to break down relatively quickly. Silk has little in any stretch and would last longer. The other advantage of silk is because its lack of stretch it really put you in contact with the fish when you are playing it with bamboo. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Freaner" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 6:26 AM Subject: Silk lines... > I was just reading Ralph Shuey's article in the latest Power Fibers > and it caused me to think of a question or two for the experts on the > list. > > Does a silk line really need to be braided, or could it be furled > like a leader? > I've been furling leaders for quite some time now, and just got to > wondering if a complete fly line made the same way might work. > > Also, while silk is traditional, could a fly line be made of a > synthetic such as the fine-fibered fly tieing thread made by > Unithread/Guudebrod/etc.? Are there distinct advantages you know of > where silk is really superior to the synthetics, or was silk likely > used because nylon/rayon/dacron just hadn't been invented at that > point in time? > > Can anyone give me the exact measurements of the tapers on a series > of silk lines - or point to a URL that has them? > > Thanks, > Claude > >From ttalsma@macatawa.org Fri Jan 25 09:29:52 2002 Received: from sligh_nt.sligh.com ([208.163.7.219]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PFToW17827 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:29:50 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:22:47 -0500 Received: from macatawa.org (TODDT [192.1.1.173]) by sligh_nt.sligh.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2QPVR0T; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:22:43 -0500 From: Todd Talsma To: piscator@macatawa.org, Rodmakers List Message-ID: <3C51791C.B7DA4720@macatawa.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:26:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mill drawing References: <002d01c1a483$61928d70$d8711ace@VAIO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ttalsma@macatawa.org Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All, I've added this drawing to the tips archive. Also, Brian sent me some additional information that is also on the tips site. To get to it, go to the site (address listed below), click on the "Contraptions" button and then click on the "Bevelers" button. Once on the bevelers page, scroll down to the bottom and click on the drawing to see a larger drawing and the additional information. Any questions, let me know. (Well, about the site, not the mill.) > Brian Creek wrote: > > Okay youse guys, > > Chris Lucker helped me a lot with this drawing, but it is mine. If > anyone tries to make money on it or mills from this design, I'll hunt > you down like a sick dog. It is freely given for personal use by > individuals alone. > > Enjoy! > > And remember that machinery can mess you up way faster than hand > tools. I'm not responsible. Read and follow all safety rules and > proceedures. Use PPG. Shield sharp things. Control hazardous > energy sources. Don't look this thing in the mouth. > > Name: mill.PDF > mill.PDF Type: Acrobat (application/pdf) > Encoding: quoted-printable -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: mailto://ttalsma@macatawa.org web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction >From tedknott@cogeco.ca Fri Jan 25 09:35:52 2002 Received: from fep3.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PFZpW18356 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:35:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from teekay35 (d141-167-147.home.cgocable.net [24.141.167.147]) by fep3.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F881268A; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:35:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01c1a5b5$b4c72c20$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Ted" To: , "Rodmakers" References: <007101c1a5b0$cfe36d20$9947903f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Splitting Knife Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:33:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content- Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X- Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: tedknott@cogeco.ca Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I've always used a thin blade steak knife clamped "handle up". Splitting cane with the point up scares the "H" out of me. >From owen@davies.mv.com Fri Jan 25 09:36:23 2002 Received: from iridium.mv.net (root@iridium.mv.net [199.125.85.17]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PFaMW18412 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:36:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from Pdavies (bnh-aa1-30.mv.com [199.125.109.30]) by iridium.mv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/mem-971025) with SMTP id KAA02395 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:36:14 - 0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a101c1a5b6$6ff8ece0$1e6d7dc7@Pdavies> From: "Owen Davies" To: References: <003401c146ca$e1a7e760$299b66a6@DickKathyFuhrman> <008801c146cc$34b5ffe0$bd52c3d0@con2.com> <005d01c146ef$58dea980$cd2895d0@default> Subject: Unsubbing, with apologies Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:39:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content- Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X- Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: owen@davies.mv.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I am deeply sorry to waste bandwidth on this kind of stupidity, but I will be offline for a while and have forgotten how to unsub or pause my subscription. Can someone enlighten me (off the list?) Many thanks. Owen Davies >From rcurry@ttlc.net Fri Jan 25 09:36:42 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PFafW18429 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:36:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [208.130.15.109] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB579A4C0144; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:35:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3C517C31.4050406@ttlc.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:39:29 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stoltz10@attbi.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Fw: Silk lines... References: <001801c1a5b2$fd84dff0$501fe10c@TimsXP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content- Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Claude, Tim has a good point about the stretch. The primary reason why Nylon is no longer used is its density. It is significantly less dense than silk, so the diameter had to increase to achieve the same weight. The increased diameter made casting and presentation more difficult. Perhaps a few other synthetic materials were tried, but PVC lines had so dominated the line industry that little was done with the concept of oiled braided lines since the 1960's. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Tim wrote: > Claude I'm certainly not an expert but it is my understanding is that when > nylon was first used they were made just like they were making silk lines. > Their problem was that they stretched which caused the finish to break down > relatively quickly. Silk has little in any stretch and would last longer. > The other advantage of silk is because its lack of stretch it really put you > in contact with the fish when you are playing it with bamboo. > > Tim >From tedknott@cogeco.ca Fri Jan 25 09:39:30 2002 Received: from fep4.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PFdUW19262 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:39:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from teekay35 (d141-167-147.home.cgocable.net [24.141.167.147]) by fep4.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5494450D9; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:39:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701c1a5b6$3275dae0$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Ted" To: , , "Rodmakers" References: <007101c1a5b0$cfe36d20$9947903f@oemcomputer> <000e01c1a5b5$b4c72c20$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: Splitting Knife Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:37:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: tedknott@cogeco.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN PS. I also run the file along the edge to dull it, since we want the knife to "split", not cut, the bamboo. >From beadman@mac.com Fri Jan 25 09:56:10 2002 Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PFu9W23430 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:56:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from [131.182.102.70] ([131.182.102.70]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04581 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:55:59 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: beadman@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a101c1a5b6$6ff8ece0$1e6d7dc7@Pdavies> References: <003401c146ca$e1a7e760$299b66a6@DickKathyFuhrman> <008801c146cc$34b5ffe0$bd52c3d0@con2.com> <005d01c146ef$58dea980$cd2895d0@default> <00a101c1a5b6$6ff8ece0$1e6d7dc7@Pdavies> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:56:04 -0500 To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: Claude Freaner Subject: Re: Unsubbing, with apologies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: beadman@mac.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN At 10:39 AM -0500 on 1/25/02, Owen Davies wrote about Unsubbing, with apologies >I am deeply sorry to waste bandwidth on this kind of stupidity, >but I will be offline for a while and have forgotten how to unsub >or pause my subscription. Can someone enlighten me (off the >list?) Many thanks. > Info sent, offline Claude >From rkrees@mcn.net Fri Jan 25 10:05:05 2002 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.181]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PG54W25672 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:05:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from pm3c-101.bozeman.mcn.net ([63.74.220.101] helo=rkrees.mcn.net) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16U8qc-00015k-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:05:03 -0800 Message-ID: <003001c1a5ba$38a7b6a0$65dc4a3f@rkrees.mcn.net> From: "Ronnie L. Rees" To: "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: Silk Lines Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:06:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Reply-To: rkrees@mcn.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Claude (Can anyone give me the exact measurements of the tapers on a series of silk lines - or point to a URL that has them?) This would be nice to know if anyone does Ron >From rcurry@ttlc.net Fri Jan 25 10:33:02 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PGX1W02560 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:33:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [208.130.15.109] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A88B25190120; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:32:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3C518965.3080809@ttlc.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:35:49 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rkrees@mcn.net CC: RodmakersPost Subject: Re: Silk Lines References: <003001c1a5ba$38a7b6a0$65dc4a3f@rkrees.mcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I believe that the Wise Fishermen's Encyclopedia has some Hedge tapers under fly lines. A.J. McClane has a number of tapers listed in "The Practical Fly Fisherman". Remeber that tho' we think of all these tapers as straight tapers (say an HEH from .025" to .040" over 6'), in reality, the individual line maker could add threads at different intervals to achieve a concave taper. FOr anyone thinking of making their own flyline by hand... you can be treated, do not dispair. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Ronnie L. Rees wrote: > Claude > (Can anyone give me the exact measurements of the tapers on a series > of silk lines - or point to a URL that has them?) > > This would be nice to know if anyone does > Ron > > > . > > -- >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Jan 25 10:50:57 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PGouW06985 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:50:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip239.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.239]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0PGqIL76414; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:52:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3C518CCC.B6A7A8C6@3g.quik.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:50:20 - 0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rodmakers List- serv Subject: arundinaria reclassification? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Folks, A few minutes ago one of my church members, our local county agent, brought me a fascinating pamphlet on genus and species of bamboos suitable for growing in the Texas area - USDA Zones 7-9. A brief look shows that only one arudinaria species is suitable - arundinaria gigantea. The description proves this to be the bamboo which grows wild here in northeast Louisiana. At least what we have around here is a cousin to amibilis. Fascinating, huh? Seems like I remember someone on the Rodmakers list mentioning that our beloved Tonkin may have been re-classified into the Phyllostachys genus. If that's the case, perhaps someone could enlighten me further. Thanks in advance, Harry -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church >From beadman@mac.com Fri Jan 25 11:45:10 2002 Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PHj9W19960 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:45:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from [131.182.102.70] ([131.182.102.70]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28464 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:44:59 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: beadman@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:44:35 -0500 To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: Claude Freaner Subject: Re: Silk lines... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: beadman@mac.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Found what I was looking for in the RM archives at . Thanks, Frank!! Claude At 9:26 AM -0500 on 1/25/02, Claude Freaner wrote about Silk lines... > >Can anyone give me the exact measurements of the tapers on a series >of silk lines - or point to a URL that has them? > >Thanks, >Claude >From jerryy@webtv.net Fri Jan 25 12:05:24 2002 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105- 1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PI5NW24679 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:05:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from storefull-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull- 2114.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.154]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BF8236E; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull- 2114.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id KAA20498; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:05:22 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQyQ3B8eWVh7PcWnNnKlLRU/D2/eAIVALFQTTDhPp4jrUsi88z1tMbJDiSC From: jerryy@webtv.net (Jerry Young) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:05:22 -0500 (EST) To: Mark.Babiy@stel.tdsb.on.ca Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: using ammonia carbonate and heat gun oven Message-ID: <8130-3C519E62-147@storefull-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Mark Babiy" 's message of Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:46:46 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Reply-To: jerryy@webtv.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Mark - I spent a very long time experimenting with ammonium carbonate cubes in the oven. Looked for a bakery supply, but couldn't find one. Had to buy 4 1/2 oz. jars from the pharmacy and it was expensive. Very little effect except when I made a strong tea solution and soaked the bound strips for several hours. It was too long and every where the string was it left a mark. When I took the string off it looked like a skinned diamondback rattlesnake. Finally made what I call an ammonia generator. Plywood box 5 X 5 X 8 in. Cut a hole in the top for a 48" clear plastic flourescent tube protector and joined that with 1 1/4" pvc elbows and tube that returned the fumes to the bottom of the box. Inside the top of the box I installed a 12v computer muffin fan to give the fumes circulation. Used a small glass jar and put in 1" of ammonia hydroxide (25.5% ammonia from the local blue print shop). Dipped the completed sanded strips in the tea solution for 20 mins. Dried them in a light bulb drying tube. First shot of ammonia- fumes were all disapated in about six hours. Threw out the water and put in more ammonia for another six hours. A fellow had given me the butt and mid of a Deluxe Granger so I had built new tips and it was important to match the rod. After 12 hours I wiped a tiny bit of varnish, with my finger tip and it looked to be a perfect match. Good part was, it happened slowly and you could see what you were doing, Just used a little 4/0 steel wool and dipped in the tank. I gave up on using the ammonia in the oven, especially with the enamel on the strips. Worked for me, Jerry Young >From paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Fri Jan 25 12:18:44 2002 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PIIhW27730 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:18:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.254.81.168]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020125181836.VDFW9422.mta01- svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:18:36 +0000 Message-ID: <3C51A0D9.CE1A1B30@ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:15:53 +0000 From: "paul.blakley" Reply-To: paul.blakley@ntlworld.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rkrees@mcn.net, Reed Curry CC: RodmakersPost Subject: Re: Silk Lines References: <003001c1a5ba$38a7b6a0$65dc4a3f@rkrees.mcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I am just reading the 'Anglers Cast' by Captain TL Edwards and Eric Horsfall-Turner ( originally recommended to me by Peter Mckean.....thanks Peter.....) and this is THE BOOK on Tournament Casting ! The book has a chapter on Tournament Fly Lines ( as in silk lines.....the book dating back to 1960 ) and on various tapers,including how to make the Hedge Number 7 taper from spliced silk lines.........Paul "Ronnie L. Rees" wrote: > > Claude > (Can anyone give me the exact measurements of the tapers on a series > of silk lines - or point to a URL that has them?) > > This would be nice to know if anyone does > Ron >From rcurry@ttlc.net Fri Jan 25 12:28:39 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PIScW00288 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:28:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [208.130.15.87] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A3A5E99005E; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:27:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3C51A47E.7050907@ttlc.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:31:26 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: paul.blakley@ntlworld.com CC: RodmakersPost Subject: Re: Silk Lines References: <003001c1a5ba$38a7b6a0$65dc4a3f@rkrees.mcn.net> <3C51A0D9.CE1A1B30@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Paul, I dug up this, the taper for the Hedge 7 Taper #10 - #16. #10 Hedge Taper (approx. 2/3 wt.) Tip - 2' of .020" Overall front taper - 9' from .020" to .040" Weight Portion (belly) - 9' of .040" 1st Back taper - 2.5' from .040" to .025" Holding line - 2' of .025" 2cd Back taper - 1' from .025" to .020" The running line is .020" ----------------------------------- #12 Hedge Taper (approx. 3/4 wt.) Tip - 3' of .020" Overall front taper - 13' from .020" to .045" Weight Portion (belly) - 12' of .045" 1st Back taper - 3' from .045" to .030" Holding line - 4' of .030" 2cd Back taper - 2' from .030" to .020" The running line is .020" ----------------------------------- #14 Hedge Taper (approx. 4/5 wt.) Tip - 3' of .020" Overall front taper - 15' from .020" to .050" Weight Portion (belly) - 12' of .045" 1st Back taper - 5' from .045" to .030" Holding line - 18' of .035" 2cd Back taper - 2' from .035" to .025" The running line is .025" -- #16, is as follows: Tip - 4' of .020" Overall front taper - 22' from .020" to .055" Weight Portion (belly) - 15' of .055" 1st Back taper - 5' from .055" to .035" Holding line - 21' of .035" 2cd Back taper - 2' from .035" to .025" The running line is .025" Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ paul.blakley wrote: > I am just reading the 'Anglers Cast' by Captain TL Edwards and Eric > Horsfall-Turner ( originally recommended to me by Peter > Mckean.....thanks Peter.....) and this is THE BOOK on Tournament Casting > ! > The book has a chapter on Tournament Fly Lines ( as in silk > lines.....the book dating back to 1960 ) and on various tapers,including > how to make the Hedge Number 7 taper from spliced silk > lines.........Paul > > "Ronnie L. Rees" wrote: > >>Claude >>(Can anyone give me the exact measurements of the tapers on a series >>of silk lines - or point to a URL that has them?) >> >>This would be nice to know if anyone does >>Ron >> > > . > > -- >From Grnmtrds@aol.com Fri Jan 25 14:19:38 2002 Received: from imo- d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PKJcW23794 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:19:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from Grnmtrds@aol.com by imo- d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.bf.1a49a392 (4447) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:19:28 -0500 (EST) From: Grnmtrds@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:19:28 EST Subject: (no subject) To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Reply-To: Grnmtrds@aol.com Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Jerry, Keep your motor shaft on the out side of your oven and use a pulley and v-belt to drive a fan mounted on another shaft through the side of the oven. Good luck, Jim in vermont >From rkrees@mcn.net Fri Jan 25 14:34:22 2002 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.181]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PKYLW27340 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:34:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from pm3c-101.bozeman.mcn.net ([63.74.220.101] helo=rkrees.mcn.net) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16UD3B-00039I-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:34:18 - 0800 Message-ID: <004801c1a5df$d66ad460$65dc4a3f@rkrees.mcn.net> From: "Ronnie L. Rees" To: , Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:35:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X- MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X- MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Reply-To: rkrees@mcn.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I used a old fart fan from a bathroom and it is piped to the oven from exhaust hose. No motor close to the oven. Elements and controls from old laundry apliance Cost about 10.00 Ron >From joseus@cybertech.com.ar Fri Jan 25 17:17:57 2002 Received: from cyber1.cybertech.com.ar ([200.63.65.3]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PNHtW04445 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:17:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from joseus (host-64-110-163- 157.interpacket.net [64.110.163.157]) by cyber1.cybertech.com.ar (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0PMVGC08381 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:31:16 -0300 Message- ID: <000c01c1a5f6$8a4fada0$9da36e40@joseus> From: "Alberto Usman" To: Subject: Linea de Seda. Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:50:22 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A5D1.2504BD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail- Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X- MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Reply-To: joseus@cybertech.com.ar Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------ =_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A5D1.2504BD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1: Hola a todos. Claude. Es muy buena su idea. Yo como no puedo comprar = una linea de seda, estoy haciendo una. Yo tengo echo ya 13 metros. Yo la = estoy fabricando con el metodo de los liders retorcidos. Yo logre en los = primeros 9 metros 9,7 gs. Esto seria el torpedo de la linea. Los = ultimos 4 metros que tengo finalizados yo puse menos hilos, por lo tanto = es mas reducido su diametro. Yo no se si dara resultado. Por lo menos lo = intente. Cuando logre terminarla, veremos que ocurre. Despues tendre que = aplicarle el recubrimiento. Ya veremos. Yo utilice hilo de poliester de = dos hebras, y su medida es de 120. Con ese hilo yo realizo las ataduras = de las Guias serpiente. Conseguir seda es imposible para mi. Le envio = las medidas de dos lineas de seda #5. A mi me las envio un amigo = Espa=F1ol. Las medidas las tomaron con un micrometro, cada 50 = Centimetros. Como podras apreciar no son regulares como las de PVC. = Bueno hasta pronto, un saludo afectuoso a todos. Alberto. 1: Hello to all. Claude. It is very good their idea. I eat I can not buy = one it lines of silk, I am making one. I have I already toss 13 meters. = I am manufacturing it with the method of the gnarled liders. I achieve = in the first 9 meters 9,7 gs. This serious the torpedo of it lines her. = The last 4 meters that I have concluded I put less threads, therefore it = is but reduced their diameter. Me not you if she/he will give result. At = least she/he attempts it. When it is able to finish it, we will see that = it happens. Then I will have to apply him the recubrimiento. We will = already see. I use thread of polyester of two strands, and their measure = is of 120. With that thread I carry out the ties of the Guides snake. To = get silk is impossible for my. She/he sends him the measures of two you = line of silk #5. To my me the shipment a Spanish friend. The measures = took them with a micrometer, each 50 Centimeters. As you rot to = appreciate they are not regular as those of PVC. Good until soon, an = affectionate greeting to all. Alberto.=20 Linea de seda Thebault 5 DT: 0,65 0,76 0,77 0,82 0,82 1,10 1,12 1,25 1,13 1,12 1,10 1,10 1,05 1,14 1,07 1,05 1,09 1,09 1,16 1,05 1,05 1,08 1,05 1,00 1,05 1,00 0,85 0,70 0,70 Linea de seda Phoenix 5 DT: 0,80 0,75 0,82 1,10 1,04 1,05 1,06 1,03 1,00 1,03 1,02 1,00 1,05 1,06 1,04 1,06 1,06 1,06 1,05 1,06 1,00 1,04 1,08 1,13 1,06 1,01 1,06 1,06 1,04 1,04 1,00 1,05 1,07 1,05 1,04 0,93 1,05 1,02 1,00 1,00 0,90 1,00 1,00 0,95 0,95 1,05 0,97 0,95 1,00 0,90 0,92 0,85 0,74 0,60 0,67 www.geocities.com/albertoyjoseusman ------ =_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A5D1.2504BD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1: Hola a todos. Claude. Es muy buena = su idea. Yo=20 como no puedo comprar una linea de seda, estoy haciendo una. Yo tengo = echo ya 13=20 metros. Yo la estoy fabricando con el metodo de los liders retorcidos. = Yo logre=20 en los primeros 9 metros  9,7 gs. Esto seria el torpedo de la = linea. Los=20 ultimos 4 metros que tengo finalizados yo puse menos hilos, por lo tanto = es mas=20 reducido su diametro. Yo no se si dara resultado. Por lo menos lo = intente.=20 Cuando logre terminarla, veremos que ocurre. Despues tendre que = aplicarle el=20 recubrimiento. Ya veremos. Yo utilice hilo de poliester de dos hebras, y = su=20 medida es de 120. Con ese hilo yo realizo las ataduras de las Guias = serpiente.=20 Conseguir seda es imposible para mi. Le envio las medidas de dos lineas = de seda=20 #5. A mi me las envio un amigo Espa=F1ol. Las medidas las tomaron con un = micrometro, cada 50 Centimetros. Como podras apreciar no son regulares = como las=20 de PVC. Bueno hasta pronto, un saludo afectuoso a todos. Alberto.
1: = Hello to=20 all. Claude. It is very good their idea. I eat I can not buy one it = lines of=20 silk, I am making one. I have I already toss 13 meters. I am = manufacturing it=20 with the method of the gnarled liders. I achieve in the first 9 meters = 9,7 gs.=20 This serious the torpedo of it lines her. The last 4 meters that I have=20 concluded I put less threads, therefore it is but reduced their = diameter. Me not=20 you if she/he will give result. At least she/he attempts it. When it is = able to=20 finish it, we will see that it happens. Then I will have to apply him = the=20 recubrimiento. We will already see. I use thread of polyester of two = strands,=20 and their measure is of 120. With that thread I carry out the ties of = the Guides=20 snake. To get silk is impossible for my. She/he sends him the measures = of two=20 you line of silk #5. To my me the shipment a Spanish friend. The = measures took=20 them with a micrometer, each 50 Centimeters. As you rot to appreciate = they are=20 not regular as those of PVC. Good until soon, an affectionate greeting = to all.=20 Alberto.

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------ =_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A5D1.2504BD20-- >From rbrand@mmcable.com Fri Jan 25 17:30:38 2002 Received: from mail6.mmcable.com (fe6.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.53]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0PNUbW07730 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:30:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mine ([65.28.130.230]) by mail6.mmcable.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:31:04 -0600 Message-ID: <002501c1a5f8$611dcd20$e6821c41@mmcable.com> From: "Rodney Brand" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020124205702.00b2ccc0@mail.halcyon.com> Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:31:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: rbrand@mmcable.com Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I hate to admit it , but I would never have thought to glue shavings to rebulid a ferrule station. Great idea. Todd this should go into your tips page. Later Rod Brand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Bowden" To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:59 PM > A few weeks ago I posted a question on fixing a male ferrule that I > over-lapped. I really appreciated all of the helpful responses. Thought I'd > let everyone know the resolution. > > One suggestion was to use wax on the ferrule and forget about it. I tried > this, and still had the annoying "click". I then put more wax on & still > had the click. Hmmmm..... Maybe it's not an over-lapped male. > > I took the ferrule off (I used ferrl-tite, so it was easy to remove), and > noticed that the fit was loose. I put one turn of masking tape on the end > of the ferrule station to build it up, and re-seated the ferrule. It still > clicked! What the heck is happening? > > Then I remembered that I'd cleaned all of the wax off both ferrules. I > tried the wax again. Lo & behold - no click!!!! I had screwed up twice - > first by over-sanding the bamboo, and then over-sanding the male! > > So I ordered a replacement male - only about $15 with shipping. I glued > bamboo shavings onto the ferrule station with pro-bond to build it back up, > and sanded to get a good fit. Mounted and lapped the ferrule like normal. > Took the rod out in the yard last weekend for a test cast & it's great! I > feel good about fixing it right rather than compromising. > > This was my 11th rod & I haven't had problems like this before. So I can't > claim "beginners ignorance". I was simply careless & rushed the process. I > believe that mistakes are valuable if you learn from them. From now on, > I'll take it slow and be more careful. And sometimes a problem has multiple > causes, not just one. > > Tom > >From beadman@mac.com Fri Jan 25 19:35:18 2002 Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0Q1ZHW29366 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:35:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from [68.49.115.60] by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020126013516.UFGW2388.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[68.49.115.60]>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:35:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: beadman@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01c1a5f6$8a4fada0$9da36e40@joseus> References: <000c01c1a5f6$8a4fada0$9da36e40@joseus> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:26:49 -0500 To: joseus@cybertech.com.ar From: Claude Freaner Subject: Re: Linea de Seda. Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_- 1200113579==_ma============" Reply-To: beadman@mac.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --============_-1200113579==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Aberto - that is what I was thinking about. I have made furled leaders for several years now, and was wondering if the same technique could be applied to a fly line. I searched the archives from the RM list and found some measurements of line diameters, so now all I have to do is buy some thread and make short sections of furled line of several different sizes so I can determine how many threads to use for a certain line size. If it works out well, I can probably get rich selling them to rodmakers If it does not work out well, I won't tell anyone Later, Claude Gracias, Aberto - que es de lo que pensaba He hecho ahora furled a arranques de cinta por varios a=F1os, y me preguntaba si la misma t=E9cnica se podr=EDa aplicar a una l=EDnea de la mosca. Busqu=E9 los archivos de la lista de RM y encontr=E9 algunas medidas de los di=E1metros de la l=EDnea, tan ahora todo lo que tengo que hacer debe comprar un poco de cuerda de rosca y hacer secciones cortas de furled la l=EDnea de varias diversas tallas as=ED que puedo determinarme cu=E1ntas cuerdas de rosca a utilizar para cierta l=EDnea clasifique. Si se resuelve bien, puedo conseguir probablemente a ricos que los venden a los rodmakers < mueca > si no se resuelve bien, yo no dir=E9 a cualquier persona < mueca > M=E1s adelante, Claude At 6:50 PM -0300 , 1/25/02, Alberto Usman wrote about Linea de Seda. 1: Hola a todos. Claude. Es muy buena su idea. Yo como no puedo comprar una linea de seda, estoy haciendo una. Yo tengo echo ya 13 metros. Yo la estoy fabricando con el metodo de los liders retorcidos. Yo logre en los primeros 9 metros 9,7 gs. Esto seria el torpedo de la linea. Los ultimos 4 metros que tengo finalizados yo puse menos hilos, por lo tanto es mas reducido su diametro. Yo no se si dara resultado. Por lo menos lo intente. Cuando logre terminarla, veremos que ocurre. Despues tendre que aplicarle el recubrimiento. Ya veremos. Yo utilice hilo de poliester de dos hebras, y su medida es de 120. Con ese hilo yo realizo las ataduras de las Guias serpiente. Conseguir seda es imposible para mi. Le envio las medidas de dos lineas de seda #5. A mi me las envio un amigo Espa=F1ol. Las medidas las tomaron con un micrometro, cada 50 Centimetros. Como podras apreciar no son regulares como las de PVC. Bueno hasta pronto, un saludo afectuoso a todos. Alberto. 1: Hello to all. Claude. It is very good their idea. I eat I can not buy one it lines of silk, I am making one. I have I already toss 13 meters. I am manufacturing it with the method of the gnarled liders. I achieve in the first 9 meters 9,7 gs. This serious the torpedo of it lines her. The last 4 meters that I have concluded I put less threads, therefore it is but reduced their diameter. Me not you if she/he will give result. At least she/he attempts it. When it is able to finish it, we will see that it happens. Then I will have to apply him the recubrimiento. We will already see. I use thread of polyester of two strands, and their measure is of 120. With that thread I carry out the ties of the Guides snake. To get silk is impossible for my. She/he sends him the measures of two you line of silk #5. To my me the shipment a Spanish friend. The measures took them with a micrometer, each 50 Centimeters. As you rot to appreciate they are not regular as those of PVC. Good until soon, an affectionate greeting to all. Alberto. Linea de seda Thebault 5 DT: 0,65 0,76 0,77 0,82 0,82 1,10 1,12 1,25 1,13 1,12 1,10 1,10 1,05 1,14 1,07 1,05 1,09 1,09 1,16 1,05 1,05 1,08 1,05 1,00 1,05 1,00 0,85 0,70 0,70 Linea de seda Phoenix 5 DT: 0,80 0,75 0,82 1,10 1,04 1,05 1,06 1,03 1,00 1,03 1,02 1,00 1,05 1,06 1,04 1,06 1,06 1,06 1,05 1,06 1,00 1,04 1,08 1,13 1,06 1,01 1,06 1,06 1,04 1,04 1,00 1,05 1,07 1,05 1,04 0,93 1,05 1,02 1,00 1,00 0,90 1,00 1,00 0,95 0,95 1,05 0,97 0,95 1,00 0,90 0,92 0,85 0,74 0,60 0,67 www.geocities.com/albertoyjoseus= man --============_-1200113579==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Linea de Seda.
Thanks, Aberto - that is what I was thinking about.  I have made furled leaders for several years now, and was wondering if the same technique could be applied to a fly line.  I searched the archives from the RM list and found some measurements of line diameters, so now all I have to do is buy some thread and make short sections of furled line of several different sizes so I can determine how many threads to use for a certain line size.  If it works out well, I can probably get rich selling them to rodmakers <Grin>  If it does not work out well, I won't tell anyone <Grin>

Later,
Claude

Gracias, Aberto - que es de lo que pensaba  He hecho ahora furled a arranques de cinta por varios a=F1os, y me preguntaba si la misma t=E9cnica se podr=EDa aplicar a una l=EDnea de la mosca.  Busqu=E9 los archivos de la lista de RM y encontr=E9 algunas medidas de los di=E1metros de la l=EDnea, tan ahora todo lo que tengo que hacer debe comprar un poco de cuerda de rosca y hacer secciones cortas de furled la l=EDnea de varias diversas tallas as=ED que puedo determinarme cu=E1ntas cuerdas de rosca a utilizar para cierta l=EDnea clasifique.  Si se resuelve bien, puedo conseguir probablemente a ricos que los venden a los rodmakers < mueca > si no se resuelve bien, yo no dir=E9 a cualquier persona < mueca >

M=E1s adelante,
Claude At 6:50 PM -0300 , 1/25/02, Alberto Usman wrote about Linea de Seda.
1: Hola a todos. Claude. Es muy buena su idea. Yo como no puedo comprar una linea de seda, estoy haciendo una. Yo tengo echo ya 13 metros. Yo la estoy fabricando con el metodo de los liders retorcidos. Yo logre en los primeros 9 metros  9,7 gs. Esto seria el torpedo de la linea. Los ultimos 4 metros que tengo finalizados yo puse menos hilos, por lo tanto es mas reducido su diametro. Yo no se si dara resultado. Por lo menos lo intente. Cuando logre terminarla, veremos que ocurre. Despues tendre que aplicarle el recubrimiento. Ya veremos. Yo utilice hilo de poliester de dos hebras, y su medida es de 120. Con ese hilo yo realizo las ataduras de las Guias serpiente. Conseguir seda es imposible para mi. Le envio las medidas de dos lineas de seda #5. A mi me las envio un amigo Espa=F1ol. Las medidas las tomaron con un micrometro, cada 50 Centimetros. Como podras apreciar no son regulares como las de PVC. Bueno hasta pronto, un saludo afectuoso a todos. Alberto.
1: Hello to all. Claude. It is very good their idea. I eat I can not buy one it lines of silk, I am making one. I have I already toss 13 meters. I am manufacturing it with the method of the gnarled liders. I achieve in the first 9 meters 9,7 gs. This serious the torpedo of it lines her. The last 4 meters that I have concluded I put less threads, therefore it is but reduced their diameter. Me not you if she/he will give result. At least she/he attempts it. When it is able to finish it, we will see that it happens. Then I will have to apply him the recubrimiento. We will already see. I use thread of polyester of two strands, and their measure is of 120. With that thread I carry out the ties of the Guides snake. To get silk is impossible for my. She/he sends him the measures of two you line of silk #5. To my me the shipment a Spanish friend. The measures took them with a micrometer, each 50 Centimeters. As you rot to appreciate they are not regular as those of PVC. Good until soon, an affectionate greeting to all. Alberto.

Linea de seda Thebault 5 DT:
0,65
0,76
0,77
0,82
0,82
1,10
1,12
1,25
1,13
1,12
1,10
1,10
1,05
1,14
1,07
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1,09
1,09
1,16
1,05
1,05
1,08
1,05
1,00
1,05
1,00
0,85
0,70
0,70
 
Linea de seda Phoenix 5 DT:
 
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0,82
1,10
1,04
1,05
1,06
1,03
1,00
1,03
1,02
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1,06
1,06
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1,04
1,00
1,05
1,07
1,05
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1,00
1,00
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--============_-1200113579==_ma============-- >From canazon@mindspring.com Fri Jan 25 22:32:05 2002 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0Q4W4W01877 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:32:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from sdn-ar-002nypougp034.dialsprint.net ([158.252.48.146] helo=oemcomputer) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UKVG-0006A7-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:31:47 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c1a62a$3e818f40$9230fc9e@oemcomputer> From: "mike canazon" To: Subject: whreel seats Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:28:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C1A5F7.F32E7DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: canazon@mindspring.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C1A5F7.F32E7DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable all. i'm banging away slowly on a few rods, none done. but it's driving me = crazy to think that i'm actually going to have a rod (two of them soon) = that will weigh in at about two oz. and then have to put on a reelseat = that will add half again the weight of the rod. i want to do a cork reelseat. i know i want a sliding band to go = over the cork, but i am not sure of what i should be looking for as far = as a butt piece. can i buy these items from the existing sources? i'm = really not sure what i am looking for in the catalogues or web pages.=20 any help out there? mike ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C1A5F7.F32E7DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
all.
   i'm banging away slowly on = a few rods,=20 none done. but it's driving me crazy to think that i'm actually going to = have a=20 rod (two of them soon) that will weigh in at about two oz. and then have = to put=20 on a reelseat that will add half again the weight of the = rod.
     i want to do a = cork=20 reelseat. i know i want a sliding band to go over the = cork, but i=20 am not sure of what i should be looking for as far as a butt = piece.  can i=20 buy these items from the existing sources? i'm really not sure what i am = looking=20 for in the catalogues or web pages.
     any help out=20 there?       = mike
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C1A5F7.F32E7DA0-- >From saweiss@flash.net Fri Jan 25 23:12:56 2002 Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0Q5CtW02614 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:12:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from saweiss (A010-0008.ALBQ.splitrock.net [209.254.238.8]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0Q5Cm236706; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:12:49 -0500 Message-ID: <022c01c1a628$16742e60$4ff3fed1@saweiss> From: "Steven A. Weiss" To: , References: <003601c1a62a$3e818f40$9230fc9e@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:12:42 -0700 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0229_01C1A5ED.68A41320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Reply-To: saweiss@flash.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0229_01C1A5ED.68A41320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, I don't understand why it would make you crazy to wind up with a 3 oz. = bamboo flyrod. That's really a light rod. If that makes you crazy, wait = until you put a 4 oz. reel on it. The lightest reel seat would be an aluminum double sliding band over a = cork filler. minimize your grip size and contour it right into the = filler, like Young did on the Midge. Steve all. i'm banging away slowly on a few rods, none done. but it's driving = me crazy to think that i'm actually going to have a rod (two of them = soon) that will weigh in at about two oz. and then have to put on a = reelseat that will add half again the weight of the rod. i want to do a cork reelseat. i know i want a sliding band to go = over the cork, but i am not sure of what i should be looking for as far = as a butt piece. can i buy these items from the existing sources? i'm = really not sure what i am looking for in the catalogues or web pages.=20 any help out there? mike ------=_NextPart_000_0229_01C1A5ED.68A41320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,
I don't understand why it would make = you crazy=20 to wind up with a 3 oz. bamboo flyrod. That's really a light rod. If = that makes=20 you crazy, wait until you put a 4 oz. reel on it.
The lightest reel seat would be an = aluminum=20 double sliding band over a cork filler. minimize your grip size and = contour it=20 right into the filler, like Young did on the Midge.
Steve
 
all.
   i'm banging away slowly = on a few=20 rods, none done. but it's driving me crazy to think that i'm actually = going to=20 have a rod (two of them soon) that will weigh in at about two oz. and = then=20 have to put on a reelseat that will add half again the weight of the=20 rod.
     i want to do = a cork=20 reelseat. i know i want a sliding band to go over the = cork, but=20 i am not sure of what i should be looking for as far as a butt = piece. =20 can i buy these items from the existing sources? i'm really not sure = what i am=20 looking for in the catalogues or web pages.
     any help out = there?      =20 mike
------=_NextPart_000_0229_01C1A5ED.68A41320-- >From guille32@tutopia.com Sat Jan 26 01:34:38 2002 Received: from frontend02.cg.ifxnetworks.com (frontend02.cg.tutopia.com [200.62.58.50]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0Q7YbW04405 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:34:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from [200.61.129.85] (account guille32@tutopia.com HELO magoo) by frontend02.cg.ifxnetworks.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with ESMTP id 11029471 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:34:32 -0500 Message-ID: <006a01c1a63d$f86ea060$60813dc8@magoo> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Guillermo_Magari=F1os?= To: References: Subject: Re: Silk lines... Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:48:39 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: guille32@tutopia.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hello Claude, nice idea, I also make furled leaders and I find your project to be my next step too. What I see as a problem is the strength of the line, if you decide to try nylon you may have to increase the diameter of your line in order to increase strenght, then the line wouldn't behave right even if you keep the taper as specs. Perhaps, similar results would appear from using tying thread. May be, it could be a good idea to insert a dacron core or even better GSP (Gel Spun Polyethylene) wich is what we know as UNI-Cord or Spectra. I have seen on Internet a new line brand using GSP as a replacement of dacron. Then you would use thread only as material for proper taper and dacron/ GSP for strenght. The tricky thing here is how to do it, wich I don't have a clue yet [:-)] Guillermo (going fishing til tuesday) >From ajthramer@hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 01:52:29 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f4.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0Q7qSW04813 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:52:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:52:19 -0800 Received: from 12.33.21.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:52:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.33.21.53] From: "Allen Thramer" To: saweiss@flash.net, canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:52:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2002 07:52:19.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[614E9E50:01C1A63E] Reply-To: ajthramer@hotmail.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN butternut or cedar are both lighter than cork. A.J. >From: "Steven A. Weiss" >Reply-To: saweiss@flash.net >To: , >Subject: Re: whreel seats >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:12:42 -0700 > >Mike, >I don't understand why it would make you crazy to wind up with a 3 oz. >bamboo flyrod. That's really a light rod. If that makes you crazy, wait >until you put a 4 oz. reel on it. >The lightest reel seat would be an aluminum double sliding band over a cork >filler. minimize your grip size and contour it right into the filler, like >Young did on the Midge. >Steve > >all. > i'm banging away slowly on a few rods, none done. but it's driving me >crazy to think that i'm actually going to have a rod (two of them soon) >that will weigh in at about two oz. and then have to put on a reelseat that >will add half again the weight of the rod. > i want to do a cork reelseat. i know i want a sliding band to go >over the cork, but i am not sure of what i should be looking for as far as >a butt piece. can i buy these items from the existing sources? i'm really >not sure what i am looking for in the catalogues or web pages. > any help out there? mike _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com >From ajthramer@hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 02:03:56 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f271.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.146]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0Q83uW05166 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:03:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:03:50 -0800 Received: from 12.33.21.59 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:03:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.33.21.59] From: "Allen Thramer" To: canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:03:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2002 08:03:50.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD7F3F90:01C1A63F] Reply-To: ajthramer@hotmail.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN OK, curiosity got the better of me so I went to the shop and weighed one of my aluminum DLSB RS's with a butternut filler and it weighs 6 grams. A.J. >From: "mike canazon" >Reply-To: canazon@mindspring.com >To: >Subject: whreel seats >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:28:09 -0600 > >all. > i'm banging away slowly on a few rods, none done. but it's driving me >crazy to think that i'm actually going to have a rod (two of them soon) >that will weigh in at about two oz. and then have to put on a reelseat that >will add half again the weight of the rod. > i want to do a cork reelseat. i know i want a sliding band to go over >the cork, but i am not sure of what i should be looking for as far as a >butt piece. can i buy these items from the existing sources? i'm really >not sure what i am looking for in the catalogues or web pages. > any help out there? mike _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >From Lazybee45@aol.com Sat Jan 26 07:09:22 2002 Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0QD9LW07483 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:09:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from Lazybee45@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id i.17a.2af07cf (4354); Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:07:28 -0500 (EST) From: Lazybee45@aol.com Message-ID: <17a.2af07cf.29840410@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:07:28 EST Subject: Re: whreel seats To: ajthramer@hotmail.com, saweiss@flash.net, canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Reply-To: Lazybee45@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 1/26/02 1:53:06 AM Central Standard Time, ajthramer@hotmail.com writes: << butternut or cedar are both lighter than cork. A.J. >> Maybe maybe! But I really like a nice coco-bolo or Walnut or Cherry or just about ANYTHING! other than cork! mark visit Marks Magic Workshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html >From earsdws@duke.edu Sat Jan 26 08:43:25 2002 Received: from jeter.acpub.duke.edu (jeter.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.10]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0QEhOW09691 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:43:24 - 0600 (CST) Received: from webmail.oit.duke.edu (webmail.oit.duke.edu [152.3.232.16]) by jeter.acpub.duke.edu (8.11.5/8.11.3/Duke-5.0.0) with ESMTP id g0QEgEC28581 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:42:14 -0500 (EST) From: earsdws@duke.edu Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail.oit.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21404 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:42:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:42:13 -0500 To: Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <1012056133.3c52c04577c49@webmail.oit.duke.edu> X-Mailer: Duke Web Mail v1.0 Feb-21-2001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter, Duke University (http://amavis.org/) Reply-To: earsdws@duke.edu Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >From lblove@omniglobal.net Sat Jan 26 09:23:03 2002 Received: from mail.omniglobal.net (mail.omniglobal.net [63.75.38.6]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0QFN2W10470 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:23:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from brain [63.71.237.98] by mail.omniglobal.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A9CF17C100F2; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:22:55 -0600 Message-ID: <200201260919140140.05706DB8@mail.omniglobal.net> In-Reply-To: <17a.2af07cf.29840410@aol.com> References: <17a.2af07cf.29840410@aol.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:19:14 -0600 From: "Brad Love" To: Lazybee45@aol.com, ajthramer@hotmail.com, saweiss@flash.net, canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: lblove@omniglobal.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN heck AJ 6 grams that's less then 1/4 oz... walnut is pretty light weight, or at least lighter then say rose wood or ash. Walnut looks really nice on a dark flamed rod with blackened N/S hardware. just my $.02 Brad http://lblove.users.omniglobal.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/26/02 at 8:07 AM Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/26/02 1:53:06 AM Central Standard Time, >ajthramer@hotmail.com writes: > ><< butternut or cedar are both lighter than cork. > A.J. >> >Maybe maybe! But I really like a nice coco-bolo or Walnut or Cherry or >just >about ANYTHING! other than cork! > >mark > >visit Marks Magic Workshop >http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html >From tedknott@cogeco.ca Sat Jan 26 10:02:23 2002 Received: from fep7.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0QG2MW11088 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:02:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from teekay35 (d141-167-147.home.cgocable.net [24.141.167.147]) by fep7.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BACB55B73; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:02:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001201c1a682$93b73020$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Ted" To: , , , References: Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:00:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: tedknott@cogeco.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN It used to be standard practice for mfrs. to specify a rod's weight. Does anyone know if there is a standard? For example, is it the weight of the finished rod? Would some have reported only the blank's weight? . . . >From stoltz10@attbi.com Sat Jan 26 11:39:26 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0QHdPW12660 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:39:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from TimsXP ([12.225.31.80]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020126173915.EAJF26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@TimsXP> for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:39:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c1a690$5e9a3370$501fe10c@TimsXP> From: "Tim" To: Subject: test Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:39:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A64D.501EC150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: stoltz10@attbi.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A64D.501EC150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A64D.501EC150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A64D.501EC150-- >From channer@frontier.net Sat Jan 26 11:55:03 2002 Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0QHt3W13101 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:55:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from frontier.net (ppp218.pm3-05.durango.frontier.net [66.118.193.218]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F03A7A683 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:55:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C52ED6F.D6F873A3@frontier.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:54:55 -0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats References: <001201c1a682$93b73020$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ted; I think most manufactureres listed weight was without the reelseat. john Ted wrote: > > It used to be standard practice for mfrs. to specify a rod's weight. Does > anyone know if there is a standard? For example, is it the weight of the > finished rod? Would some have reported only the blank's weight? . . . >From jteft@frontiernet.net Sat Jan 26 12:31:39 2002 Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01g.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.237]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0QIVcW13873 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:31:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 19936 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 18:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) ([66.133.134.62]) (envelope- sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jan 2002 18:31:32 -0000 Message-ID: <013f01c1a697$58b7d640$418982d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jim Tefft" To: "rodmakers" Subject: Blank finishing Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:28:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013A_01C1A66D.4FDCC8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: jteft@frontiernet.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C1A66D.4FDCC8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got a question. I have a blank that has had 2 coats of varnish that has been sanded = between each coat. I'am getting ready to take a break for 6 weeks.=20 Is the blank stable enough at this point to just leave out or should I = wrap it in saran wrap and leave it in my tube with the moisture stuff ? Jim T=20 ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C1A66D.4FDCC8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got a question.
 
I have a blank that has had 2 coats of varnish that = has been=20 sanded between each coat. I'am getting ready to take a break for 6 = weeks.=20
 
Is the blank stable enough at this point to just = leave out or=20 should I wrap it in saran wrap and leave it in my tube with the moisture = stuff=20 ?
 
Jim T 
------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C1A66D.4FDCC8C0-- >From Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Jan 26 12:52:52 2002 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0QIqqW14468 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:52:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from Grhghlndr@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id g.50.584e256 (4210) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:52:42 -0500 (EST) From: Grhghlndr@aol.com Message-ID: <50.584e256.298454fa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:52:42 EST Subject: reelseats and real weight To: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_50.584e256.298454fa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: Grhghlndr@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_50.584e256.298454fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PH Young gave the weight of the whole rod including reelseat guides and finish. he also knocked other makers as giving false ideas as to the weight of their rods in a statement in his catalog. http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --part1_50.584e256.298454fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PH Young gave the weight of the whole rod including reelseat guides and finish. he also knocked other makers as giving false ideas as to the weight of their rods in a statement in his catalog.

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 --part1_50.584e256.298454fa_boundary-- >From tedknott@cogeco.ca Sat Jan 26 13:50:53 2002 Received: from fep9.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0QJoqW15665 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:50:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from teekay35 (d141-167-147.home.cgocable.net [24.141.167.147]) by fep9.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 176185A81; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:23:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c1a69e$a9e53920$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Ted" To: Cc: References: <001201c1a682$93b73020$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> <3C52ED6F.D6F873A3@frontier.net> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:21:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: tedknott@cogeco.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I think I need to do some research on this. I used to own a Hardy Marvel which they listed as the world's lightest fly rod at 2 3/4oz. (I think?) I just finished a Payne #96, #4, 6' 6" which weighed in at 2.2 finished weight. >From rcurry@ttlc.net Sat Jan 26 14:37:56 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0QKbtW16751 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:37:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [208.130.15.74] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A37295D70058; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:37:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3C53144C.6020605@ttlc.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:40:44 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tedknott@cogeco.ca CC: channer@frontier.net, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats References: <001201c1a682$93b73020$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> <3C52ED6F.D6F873A3@frontier.net> <000801c1a69e$a9e53920$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ted, A friend has a Payne 96 (which became the 95) which at 6' weighs in at 1.5 oz. I also have seen a Baby Catskill which was 1.0 oz., but the grip and reelseat were too small to be usable. The buttcap was too short to even accept the entire Leonard stamp. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Ted wrote: > I think I need to do some research on this. I used to own a Hardy Marvel > which they listed as the world's lightest fly rod at 2 3/4oz. (I think?) I > just finished a Payne #96, #4, 6' 6" which weighed in at 2.2 finished > weight. > > > . > > -- >From channer@frontier.net Sat Jan 26 16:23:38 2002 Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0QMNbW18387 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:23:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from frontier.net (ppp130.pm3- 13.durango.frontier.net [66.118.195.130]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8478B7A656 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:23:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C532C62.4B5D5B70@frontier.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:23:30 - 0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C- CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats References: <001201c1a682$93b73020$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> <3C52ED6F.D6F873A3@frontier.net> <000801c1a69e$a9e53920$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> <3C53144C.6020605@ttlc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Gee Reed, you suppose they missed the first clue that it might be hard to use when the full logo wouldn't even fit on the cap? I never could figure out the tiny grip thing, what good is a rod you can't get ahold of? john Reed Curry wrote: > > Ted, > A friend has a Payne 96 (which became the 95) which at 6' weighs in at > 1.5 oz. I also have seen a Baby Catskill which was 1.0 oz., but the grip > and reelseat were too small to be usable. The buttcap was too short to > even accept the entire Leonard stamp. > > Best regards, > Reed > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > Ted wrote: > > > I think I need to do some research on this. I used to own a Hardy Marvel > > which they listed as the world's lightest fly rod at 2 3/4oz. (I think?) I just finished a Payne #96, #4, 6' 6" which weighed in at 2.2 finished > > weight. > > > > > > . > > > > > > -- >From dongreife@hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 18:46:05 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f186.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.186]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0R0k4W20579 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:46:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:45:55 -0800 Received: from 63.124.164.138 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:45:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.124.164.138] From: "Don Greife" To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Gluing Up Nodeless Sticks Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:45:55 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2002 00:45:55.0451 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA8274B0:01C1A6CB] Reply-To: dongreife@hotmail.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Just getting into nodeless building and was wondering how the rest of you were gluing all the little sticks together. Are you using some sort of jig to hold 3 or 5 sticks together, strait, while you attach the 'pony' clips? Or, is this a dumb question. Built a new hard wood scarfing block. Pics by request. Don Greife _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sat Jan 26 19:16:15 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0R1GEW21239 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:16:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip174.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.174]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0R1Hj334850 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:17:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3C5354C3.8A7FED62@3g.quik.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:15:47 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rodmakers List-serv Subject: Makers in Wisconsin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi friends, Through some of my writings a nice fellow from SW Wisconsin contacted me about learning to build rods. Are there any of you in his neck of the woods, or at least a little close than Louisiana is to Wisconsin, willing to let him poke around and ask a few question? If so, please contact Eric Johannesen at . Tell Eric I sent you. Thnaks a bunch, Harry -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church >From tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 21:07:39 2002 Received: from web11207.mail.yahoo.com (web11207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.189]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0R37cW22684 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:07:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020127030738.43955.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.255.50] by web11207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:07:38 PST Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:07:38 -0800 (PST) From: timothy troester Subject: test To: "rod 'akers" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ===== "Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, - "If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From dnorl@qwest.net Sat Jan 26 21:11:10 2002 Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net [204.147.80.2]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0R3B9W22907 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:11:09 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 9186 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 03:11:03 -0000 Received: from mplsdslgw11poolc85.mpls.uswest.net (HELO computer) (63.228.46.85) by mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 03:11:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:12:56 -0600 Message-ID: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> From: "Dave Norling" To: saweiss@flash.net, " " , " " Subject: Re: whreel seats MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C1A6AE.39BEA400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: dnorl@qwest.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C1A6AE.39BEA400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any weight added to the grip and reelseat and reel will decrease the = feel of the weight of the rod. -----Original Message----- From: Steven A. Weiss To: canazon@mindspring.com ; = RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:13 PM Subject: Re: whreel seats =20 =20 Mike, I don't understand why it would make you crazy to wind up with a 3 = oz. bamboo flyrod. That's really a light rod. If that makes you crazy, = wait until you put a 4 oz. reel on it. The lightest reel seat would be an aluminum double sliding band over = a cork filler. minimize your grip size and contour it right into the = filler, like Young did on the Midge. Steve =20 all. i'm banging away slowly on a few rods, none done. but it's = driving me crazy to think that i'm actually going to have a rod (two of = them soon) that will weigh in at about two oz. and then have to put on a = reelseat that will add half again the weight of the rod. i want to do a cork reelseat. i know i want a sliding band = to go over the cork, but i am not sure of what i should be looking for = as far as a butt piece. can i buy these items from the existing = sources? i'm really not sure what i am looking for in the catalogues or = web pages.=20 any help out there? mike ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C1A6AE.39BEA400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any weight added to the = grip and=20 reelseat and reel will decrease the feel of the weight of the = rod.
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Steven A. Weiss <saweiss@flash.net>
To: = canazon@mindspring.com = <canazon@mindspring.com>; = RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu = <RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu>=
Date:=20 Friday, January 25, 2002 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: whreel=20 seats

Mike,
I don't understand why it would = make you=20 crazy to wind up with a 3 oz. bamboo flyrod. That's really a light = rod. If=20 that makes you crazy, wait until you put a 4 oz. reel on = it.
The lightest reel seat would be = an=20 aluminum double sliding band over a cork filler. minimize your grip = size and=20 contour it right into the filler, like Young did on the = Midge.
Steve
 
all.
   i'm banging away = slowly on a=20 few rods, none done. but it's driving me crazy to think that i'm = actually going to have a rod (two of them soon) that will weigh = in at=20 about two oz. and then have to put on a reelseat that will add = half=20 again the weight of the rod.
     i want = to do a=20 cork reelseat. i know i want a sliding band to = go over=20 the cork, but i am not sure of what i should be looking for as = far as a=20 butt piece.  can i buy these items from the existing = sources? i'm=20 really not sure what i am looking for in the catalogues or web = pages.=20
     any = help out=20 there?      =20 mike
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C1A6AE.39BEA400-- >From LambersonW@missouri.edu Sat Jan 26 22:26:56 2002 Received: from umc-mail01.missouri.edu (umc-mail01.missouri.edu [128.206.10.216]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0R4QuW24015 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:26:56 -0600 (CST) Received: by umc-mail01.missouri.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:26:56 -0600 Message-ID: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE678F47@umc- mail02.missouri.edu> From: "Lamberson, William R." To: "'Don Greife '" , "'rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu '" Subject: RE: Gluing Up Nodeless Sticks Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:26:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: LambersonW@missouri.edu Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Don, I glue one splice at a time on each strip. If the full strip includes five sections, consider them A, B, C, D and E, I glue A to B and D to E, then AB to C and finally ACB to DE. I find it easier to handle only a single splice at a time. In the long run it doesn't take any more time unless you have a very large supply of clamps. When I glue the splices I place the sections enamel side down on a piece of glass and apply the middle of three clamps. I then turn the unit over and adjust the fit as necessary and apply the clamps to either side of the first. Between gluing sessions I use a little scraper with a razor blade to remove the dried glue from the glass. When I am gluing I will split a culm, heat treat, put the angles on the sections and then glue a set of strips two or three times per day until all the strips are completed. A 12' culm will usually yield 40 - 60 strips depending on how long they need to be. Bill Lamberson -----Original Message----- From: Don Greife To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: 1/26/2002 6:45 PM Subject: Gluing Up Nodeless Sticks Just getting into nodeless building and was wondering how the rest of you were gluing all the little sticks together. Are you using some sort of jig to hold 3 or 5 sticks together, strait, while you attach the 'pony' clips? Or, is this a dumb question. Built a new hard wood scarfing block. Pics by request. Don Greife _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com >From ajthramer@hotmail.com Sun Jan 27 00:53:47 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f215.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.215]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0R6rkW25844 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:53:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:53:37 -0800 Received: from 12.33.21.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:53:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.33.21.125] From: "Allen Thramer" To: Grhghlndr@aol.com, rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: reelseats and real weight Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:53:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2002 06:53:37.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[58A73930:01C1A6FF] Reply-To: ajthramer@hotmail.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This can be a sore point. I have always listed the weight of the rod with a standard size NS cap and ring seat. Stopped after a while due to the ludicrous claims of other makers(older ones - not current ones)that would lead to inane questions such as why are your rods so heavy. I started putting the weight on at the first of this year again. Perhaps I will tell them that as an extra bonus I actually put a grip and reelseat on the rods! Seems like Payne put honest weights on his rods also. A.J. >From: Grhghlndr@aol.com >Reply-To: Grhghlndr@aol.com >To: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu >Subject: reelseats and real weight >Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:52:42 EST > >PH Young gave the weight of the whole rod including reelseat guides and >finish. he also knocked other makers as giving false ideas as to the weight >of their rods in a statement in his catalog. > >HREF="http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/">http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com >From petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Jan 27 02:53:40 2002 Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0R8rcW27045 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:53:39 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mckean (dialup-m1-15.Launceston.netspace.net.au [210.15.253.143]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0R8rYw46812 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:53:35 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c1a70f$fea8ade0$8ffd0fd2@mckean> From: "Peter McKean" To: "rodmakers" Subject: Fly Tying tip Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:52:44 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: petermckean@netspace.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I was digging around in my hoarded rubbish at our beach house last night, and came up with a copy of the American Angler & Fly Tying from 1991; and there, heading the Letters column was a tip on making durable tent wing flies from one Anthony Spezio - from which I assume that either (a) it's a different Anthony Spezio, or (b) the magazine went in for a lot more formality than this list. [:-)] Peter >From petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Jan 27 03:06:46 2002 Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0R96iW27410 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:06:45 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mckean (dialup-m1-15.Launceston.netspace.net.au [210.15.253.143]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0R96YG48076; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:06:35 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <001201c1a711$cfcd37a0$8ffd0fd2@mckean> From: "Peter McKean" To: Cc: "rodmakers" References: <612-3C505D2F-1945@storefull-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Oven Fan Motor Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:05:45 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: petermckean@netspace.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN When I made my oven, I talked to an electrical repairman I know, and was lucky enough to get the whole working guts out of a fan forced oven, complete with fan, thermostat, spiral elements etc. The original was irreparably damaged in a house fire, but Chris salvaged the innards. The outer structural part of the oven is a piece of 12 inch square air conditioning duct wrapped heavily in reflective insulating material We installed a series of baffles to forestall local overheating, and to channel hot air around the oven as evenly as we could. I know that my level of thermal control does not match the accuracy that we hear to be necessary, but with ordinary probe-type sensors I cannot detect any significant variation along the length of the oven. And while I just know that I am going to be sorry that I said this, I have so far not had any nasty experiences with it, and it works just fine. IMHO, it's worth asking about for this sort of salvage. Peter >From petermckean@netspace.net.au Sun Jan 27 03:32:56 2002 Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0R9WtW27925 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:32:55 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mckean (dialup-m1-15.Launceston.netspace.net.au [210.15.253.143]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0R9WNv50803; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:32:23 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <007c01c1a715$6aeaa940$8ffd0fd2@mckean> From: "Peter McKean" To: Cc: "rodmakers" References: <001201c1a682$93b73020$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> <3C52ED6F.D6F873A3@frontier.net> <000801c1a69e$a9e53920$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:31:33 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: petermckean@netspace.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hardy rods for casting flies, Are one part cane, and three parts lies ! [:-)] Peter >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Jan 27 07:09:46 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RD9jW29583 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:09:45 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip160.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.160]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0RDB93237894; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:11:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3C53FC4E.B3B8CF5C@3g.quik.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:10:38 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: petermckean@netspace.net.au CC: rodmakers Subject: Re: Fly Tying tip References: <000d01c1a70f$fea8ade0$8ffd0fd2@mckean> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Peter, While our own Little Anthony is gaining renown as a rodmaker, he has been a kingpin in the fly tying world for quite some time. His "Froggie" and "Chili Pepper" patterns have quite a reputation, as well as several others. Years ago, when I first started tying flies, Tony was a big help to me. Just as he is today in so many regards. Harry Peter McKean wrote: > I was digging around in my hoarded rubbish at our beach house last night, > and came up with a copy of the American Angler & Fly Tying from 1991; and > there, heading the Letters column was a tip on making durable tent wing > flies from one Anthony Spezio -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From Lazybee45@aol.com Sun Jan 27 07:35:57 2002 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RDZvW00029 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:35:57 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Lazybee45@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.c9.1c4f31ee (4459) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:35:40 - 0500 (EST) From: Lazybee45@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:35:40 EST Subject: Re: Fly Tying tip To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Reply-To: Lazybee45@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Reaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!! Hey Tony! how about slipping us a couple of fly tying patterns? huh huh please !!! mark visit Marks Magic Workshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html >From jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Sun Jan 27 07:58:39 2002 Received: from direct-pest.com (kpt-c-208-27-26-103.chartertn.net [208.27.26.103]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RDwcW00489 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:58:39 - 0600 (CST) Received: from jcbyrd [208.27.26.111] by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.0.0m.R) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:58:31 - 0500 Message-ID: <002801c1a73a$a6de1ac0$6f1a1bd0@directpest.com> From: "Bamboo Joe" To: , "rodmakers" References: <000d01c1a70f$fea8ade0$8ffd0fd2@mckean> Subject: Re: Fly Tying tip Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:58:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MDRemoteIP: 208.27.26.111 X-Return-Path: jcbyrd@direct-pest.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Reply-To: jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Peter: Tony (Anthony) Spezio has for a long time been known in flytying circles for his "Froggie" pattern. He is in constant demand to do demonstrations at flyfishing shows, etc. Each year Tony produces an expo called "Sowbug" which draws flytyers from all over the US. I hope to be there with him in Arkansas this year for "Sowbug" Joe Byrd ================================================= Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one hand and a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bamboo flyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter McKean" To: "rodmakers" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 3:52 AM Subject: Fly Tying tip > I was digging around in my hoarded rubbish at our beach house last night, > and came up with a copy of the American Angler & Fly Tying from 1991; and > there, heading the Letters column was a tip on making durable tent wing > flies from one Anthony Spezio - from which I assume that either (a) it's a > different Anthony Spezio, or (b) the magazine went in for a lot more > formality than this list. > > [:-)] > > Peter > > >From rextutor@yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 09:56:39 2002 Received: from web14912.mail.yahoo.com (web14912.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.248]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0RFucW02185 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:56:38 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020127155637.6047.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.253.1.195] by web14912.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:56:37 PST Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:56:37 -0800 (PST) From: Rex Tutor Subject: Re: whreel seats To: petermckean@netspace.net.au, tedknott@cogeco.ca Cc: rodmakers In-Reply-To: <007c01c1a715$6aeaa940$8ffd0fd2@mckean> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: rextutor@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Peter Is that just a humourous rhyme ? I know nothing about Hardy but they are English. I believe themt o be a big company and must be doing something right to stay alive. What is your opinion on their bamboo rods ? --- Peter McKean wrote: > Hardy rods for casting flies, > Are one part cane, and three parts lies ! > > [:-)] > > Peter > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Jan 27 10:06:52 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RG6pW02561 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:06:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [208.130.15.66] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A56E5F0300F0; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:06:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3C542649.1070108@ttlc.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:09:45 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dnorl@qwest.net CC: saweiss@flash.net, canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-9; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Dave, If you meant "any weight added below the grip..." I would certainly agree with you. I often use very heavy reels on long cane rods for just that reason. The grip is, however, the fulcrum point and weight added there will not offset the weight above the grip. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Dave Norling wrote: > Any weight added to the grip and reelseat and reel will decrease the > feel of the weight of the rod. > >From KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sun Jan 27 10:10:02 2002 Received: from umh-msxalone.umh.edu (UMH-MSXALONE.umh.edu [161.130.80.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RGA1W02765 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:10:01 -0600 (CST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: whreel seats Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:10:00 -0600 Message-ID: <59EF21868C5BD111AEA900609451549127C24BA6@umhs- mail02.health.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A74D.128FAA10" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: whreel seats X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Thread-Index: AcGmIp0snlN0JBISEda4HQBglOouXwBJ0rzg From: "Kling, Barry W." To: , Reply-To: KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A74D.128FAA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike -- =20 No offense, but I think you=92ve been exposed to too much graphite rod = company marketing. I like what Gierach (sp?) said in one of his books = =96 after you=92ve used some good bamboo rods, plastic ones are = =93irritatingly light.=94 The question of light vs less light reels is a = matter of taste =96 some people claim the need for the lightest possible = reel is proven by the advantage of reel-lessness in tournament casting, = but one does more with a rod than cast for maximum distance when = fishing, so I still say it=92s a matter of what you enjoy on the water. = But my 8.5=92 Phillipson 5 wt, which must weigh five or six ounces, is = so effortless to use that I feel as though it casts itself. The best = graphite rods approach this, but always feel to me like very efficient = (and light) springs for which I supply the energy. The best bamboo seems = to have the energy built in. Anyway, the important thing to me is how = they feel (when I stop pushing it and let the rod do the work) not what = they weigh. =20 IMHO, anyway. =20 Barry =20 PS to answer your question about sources, Clemens Tackle ( = http://clemenstackle.com ) sells the very = light Cortland slide ring/cork reel seats (their catalog isn=92t on = line, but the site gives phone# and they have all sorts of rodmaking = stuff), goldenwitch.com sells slightly heavier but more beautiful seats = by Robert Venneri, and REC takes on-line orders at = http://www.reccomponents.com/ and sells several sliding ring or cap/ring = seats with various wood/cork fillers. No personal interest in any of = above bla bla etc. =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: mike canazon [mailto:canazon@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:28 PM To: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: whreel seats =20 all. i'm banging away slowly on a few rods, none done. but it's driving me = crazy to think that i'm actually going to have a rod (two of them soon) = that will weigh in at about two oz. and then have to put on a reelseat = that will add half again the weight of the rod. i want to do a cork reelseat. i know i want a sliding band to go = over the cork, but i am not sure of what i should be looking for as far = as a butt piece. can i buy these items from the existing sources? i'm = really not sure what i am looking for in the catalogues or web pages.=20 any help out there? mike ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A74D.128FAA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1254" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mi= ke --

 

No= offense, but I think you=92ve been exposed to too much graphite rod = company marketing. I like what Gierach (sp?) said in one of his books =96 after = you=92ve used some good bamboo rods, plastic ones are =93irritatingly light.=94 = The question of light vs less light reels is a matter of taste =96 some people claim = the need for the lightest possible reel is proven by the advantage of = reel-lessness in tournament casting, but one does more with a rod than cast for maximum = distance when fishing, so I still say it=92s a matter of what you enjoy on the = water. But my 8.5=92 Phillipson 5 wt, which must weigh five or six ounces, is so = effortless to use that I feel as though it casts itself. The best graphite rods = approach this, but always feel to me like very efficient (and light) springs for = which I supply the energy. The best bamboo seems to have the energy built in. = Anyway, the important thing to me is how they feel (when I stop pushing it and = let the rod do the work) not what they = weigh.

 

IM= HO, anyway.

 

Ba= rry

 

PS= to answer your question about sources, Clemens Tackle (http://clemenstackle.com) sells = the very light Cortland slide ring/cork reel seats (their catalog isn=92t on = line, but the site gives phone# and they have all sorts of rodmaking stuff), = goldenwitch.com sells slightly heavier but more beautiful seats by Robert Venneri, and = REC takes on-line orders at http://www.reccomponents.com/ and sells several sliding ring or cap/ring seats with various wood/cork = fillers. No personal interest in any of above bla bla = etc.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: mike canazon [mailto:canazon@mindspring.com]
Sent: Friday, January 25, = 2002 11:28 PM
To: = RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu
Subject: whreel = seats

 

all.

   i'm banging away slowly on a few rods, none done. but it's driving me = crazy to think that i'm actually going to have a rod (two of them soon) that will = weigh in at about two oz. and then have to put on a reelseat that will add = half again the weight of the rod.

  &nbs= p;  i want to do a cork reelseat. i know i want a sliding = band to go over the cork, but i am not sure of what i should be looking for = as far as a butt piece.  can i buy these items from the existing sources? = i'm really not sure what i am looking for in the catalogues or web pages. =

  &nbs= p;  any help out there?       = mike

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A74D.128FAA10-- >From KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sun Jan 27 10:10:03 2002 Received: from umh-msxalone.umh.edu (UMH-MSXALONE.umh.edu [161.130.80.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RGA2W02770 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:10:02 - 0600 (CST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Gluing Up Nodeless Sticks Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:10:02 -0600 Message-ID: <59EF21868C5BD111AEA900609451549127C24BA7@umhs- mail02.health.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gluing Up Nodeless Sticks X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Thread-Index: AcGm64fbsjfiYhLSEda4HQBglOouXwAX6Xgw From: "Kling, Barry W." To: "Don Greife " , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by wugate.wustl.edu id g0RGA2W02771 Reply-To: KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Further on Bill's advice, someone recently commented on his procedure by saying "Garrison lives." If you've seen any of Bill's rods you'd say the same thing - they are exquisite, so I'd take his advice. He also has excellent taste in tapers. Last time we talked he was using Titebond II for the scarf joints and resorcinol for gluing up the sections. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Lamberson, William R. [mailto:LambersonW@missouri.edu] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 10:27 PM To: 'Don Greife '; 'rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu ' Subject: RE: Gluing Up Nodeless Sticks Hi Don, I glue one splice at a time on each strip. If the full strip includes five sections, consider them A, B, C, D and E, I glue A to B and D to E, then AB to C and finally ACB to DE. I find it easier to handle only a single splice at a time. In the long run it doesn't take any more time unless you have a very large supply of clamps. When I glue the splices I place the sections enamel side down on a piece of glass and apply the middle of three clamps. I then turn the unit over and adjust the fit as necessary and apply the clamps to either side of the first. Between gluing sessions I use a little scraper with a razor blade to remove the dried glue from the glass. When I am gluing I will split a culm, heat treat, put the angles on the sections and then glue a set of strips two or three times per day until all the strips are completed. A 12' culm will usually yield 40 - 60 strips depending on how long they need to be. Bill Lamberson -----Original Message----- From: Don Greife To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: 1/26/2002 6:45 PM Subject: Gluing Up Nodeless Sticks Just getting into nodeless building and was wondering how the rest of you were gluing all the little sticks together. Are you using some sort of jig to hold 3 or 5 sticks together, strait, while you attach the 'pony' clips? Or, is this a dumb question. Built a new hard wood scarfing block. Pics by request. Don Greife _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com >From KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sun Jan 27 10:10:04 2002 Received: from umh-msxalone.umh.edu (UMH-MSXALONE.umh.edu [161.130.80.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RGA3W02775 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:10:03 - 0600 (CST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: whreel seats Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:10:03 -0600 Message-ID: <59EF21868C5BD111AEA900609451549127C24BA8@umhs- mail02.health.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: whreel seats X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Thread-Index: AcGnFeHIb8ziVBL1Eda4HQBglOouXwANmBIQ From: "Kling, Barry W." To: , Cc: "rodmakers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by wugate.wustl.edu id g0RGA3W02776 Reply-To: KlingB@health.missouri.edu Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I also like: Orvis impregnated rods: Built to Last Not to Cast Sorry to insult anyone who likes these rods, I just like the poetry.... Barry -----Original Message----- From: Peter McKean [mailto:petermckean@netspace.net.au] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 3:32 AM To: tedknott@cogeco.ca Cc: rodmakers Subject: Re: whreel seats Hardy rods for casting flies, Are one part cane, and three parts lies ! [:-)] Peter >From flytyr@southshore.com Sun Jan 27 10:26:04 2002 Received: from natco3.southshore.com (natco3.southshore.com [205.167.142.103]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RGQ4W03700 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:26:04 - 0600 (CST) Received: from southshore.com (12-10-111-191.southshore.com [12.10.111.191]) by natco3.southshore.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0RGPq832006; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:25:52 -0600 Message-ID: <3C542966.A50A9AD@southshore.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:23:02 -0600 From: Tony Spezio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: petermckean@netspace.net.au CC: rodmakers Subject: Re: Fly Tying tip References: <000d01c1a70f$fea8ade0$8ffd0fd2@mckean> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: flytyr@southshore.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Yes Peter, It is me, and to think you found me in the rubbish. LOL. Had a number of tying tips published in the American Angler. Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Peter McKean wrote: > I was digging around in my hoarded rubbish at our beach house last night, > and came up with a copy of the American Angler & Fly Tying from 1991; and > there, heading the Letters column was a tip on making durable tent wing > flies from one Anthony Spezio - from which I assume that either (a) it's a > different Anthony Spezio, or (b) the magazine went in for a lot more > formality than this list. > > [:-)] > > Peter >From piscator@macatawa.org Sun Jan 27 10:27:55 2002 Received: from front1.chartermi.net (24.213.60.123.up.mi.chartermi.net [24.213.60.123]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RGRtW03939 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:27:55 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [24.247.61.101] (HELO Creeks) by front1.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b2) with SMTP id 51760803 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:27:55 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c1a74f$8c9eb1f0$653df718@Creeks> Reply-To: "Brian Creek" From: "Brian Creek" To: "Rodmakers List" References: <002d01c1a483$61928d70$d8711ace@VAIO> <3C51791C.B7DA4720@macatawa.org> Subject: Re: Mill drawing Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:27:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I wanted to make it clear that this design came to me through the kindness of Chris Lucker, as you will read in the notes accompanying it on Todd T.s tips page. I just kept correcting the drawing and asking for input from Chris. I asked him for his permission to share it with the list before I posted it, and being the kind, helpful guy he is he said go ahead. I felt that as there were now good bevelers on the market for anybody with the money to buy them, there should be something available for those of us of modest means to be able to work on in the garage when we could spare some time. It's not easy, so if you're not mechanically inclined you might be better off buying one that's been engineered and tested by someone who will stand behind their work. If you do make one and find it useful, thank Chris. Brian >From jteft@frontiernet.net Sun Jan 27 10:35:29 2002 Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01h.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.238]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0RGZSW04387 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:35:28 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 7127 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 16:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) ([209.130.220.92]) (envelope- sender ) by relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Jan 2002 16:35:22 -0000 Message-ID: <009501c1a750$4957d600$2adb82d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jim Tefft" To: "rodmakers" Subject: Blank finishing Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:26:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01C1A725.78FC1720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: jteft@frontiernet.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C1A725.78FC1720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all your input on what to do with the blanks while I'am gone = on vacation. The ferrules have already been mounted so what I have done = is put a coat of varish on the sections and am going to let them hang = until I get back. That will be 6 weeks so the varnish should be 'cured'. Going to miss the = rod work, but have to get caught up on the fly tying for the coming = spring and summer( think spring is here since it is 50 currently). Jim T ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C1A725.78FC1720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for all your input on what to do with the = blanks while=20 I'am gone on vacation. The ferrules have already been mounted so what I = have=20 done is put a coat of varish on the sections and am going to let them = hang until=20 I get back.
That will be 6 weeks so the varnish should be = 'cured'. Going=20 to miss the rod work, but have to get caught up on the fly tying for the = coming=20 spring and summer( think spring is here since it is 50 = currently).
Jim T
------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C1A725.78FC1720-- >From flytyr@southshore.com Sun Jan 27 10:51:05 2002 Received: from natco3.southshore.com (natco3.southshore.com [205.167.142.103]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RGp4W04842 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:51:04 - 0600 (CST) Received: from southshore.com (12-10-111-191.southshore.com [12.10.111.191]) by natco3.southshore.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0RGp2802698; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:51:02 -0600 Message-ID: <3C542F4C.C3DEB4CA@southshore.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:48:12 -0600 From: Tony Spezio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jcbyrd@direct-pest.com CC: rodmakers Subject: Re: Fly Tying tip References: <000d01c1a70f$fea8ade0$8ffd0fd2@mckean> <002801c1a73a$a6de1ac0$6f1a1bd0@directpest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: flytyr@southshore.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN We will be going international this year. Will have at least one tyer from The Netherlands. We also have Bamboo rodmakers doing demos. Will post more on this show later. Tony (Anthony) FlyTyr@southshore.com Bamboo Joe wrote: > Peter: > > Tony (Anthony) Spezio has for a long time been known in flytying circles for > his "Froggie" pattern. He is in constant demand to do demonstrations at > flyfishing shows, etc. > > Each year Tony produces an expo called "Sowbug" which draws flytyers from > all over the US. > > I hope to be there with him in Arkansas this year for "Sowbug" > > Joe Byrd > > ================================================= > Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one hand > and a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bamboo > flyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter McKean" > To: "rodmakers" > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 3:52 AM > Subject: Fly Tying tip > > > I was digging around in my hoarded rubbish at our beach house last night, > > and came up with a copy of the American Angler & Fly Tying from 1991; and > > there, heading the Letters column was a tip on making durable tent wing > > flies from one Anthony Spezio - from which I assume that either (a) it's a > > different Anthony Spezio, or (b) the magazine went in for a lot more > > formality than this list. > > > > [:-)] > > > > Peter > > > > >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Jan 27 10:55:01 2002 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RGt0W05209 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:55:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from pool0048.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.146.48] helo=computer) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Usa0-0005Xo-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:54:56 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c1a753$58cdefe0$3092b3d1@computer> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: Subject: forms ebay Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:54:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A710.49C754C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A710.49C754C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are some forms on ebay for those interested http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1800526854 Adam ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A710.49C754C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1A710.49C754C0-- >From flytyr@southshore.com Sun Jan 27 10:57:28 2002 Received: from natco3.southshore.com (natco3.southshore.com [205.167.142.103]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RGvRW05419 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:57:27 - 0600 (CST) Received: from southshore.com (12-10-111-191.southshore.com [12.10.111.191]) by natco3.southshore.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0RGvP803515; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:57:25 -0600 Message-ID: <3C5430CB.CB5F0E62@southshore.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:54:35 -0600 From: Tony Spezio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lazybee45@aol.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Fly Tying tip References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: flytyr@southshore.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Will send you the Chili Pepper and the White River Demon (WRD) off list later today. Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: > Reaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!! Hey Tony! how about slipping us a couple of fly > tying patterns? huh huh please !!! > > mark > > visit Marks Magic Workshop > http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html >From Kengorific@aol.com Sun Jan 27 11:27:17 2002 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RHRGW06214 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:27:17 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Kengorific@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.146.87b2339 (4387); Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:27:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kengorific@aol.com Message-ID: <146.87b2339.29859269@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:27:05 EST Subject: furled silk lines To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu CC: beadman@mac.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Reply-To: Kengorific@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have also been curiuos about making a silk line in the fashion of a large furled leader. I have tried vacuum treating some leaders with linseed oil and varnish. The coated leaders took a long time to dry, about 2 wks. I kept them stretched tight while they were drying, (might be difficult on a 50 ft. line) The hardend oil/spar finish added some weight to the leader, they cast well. With the end of the season I haven't been able to use them enough to tell about durability. I would be interested in any taper info you come across, I would like experiment further. Ken >From JNL123141@msn.com Sun Jan 27 12:40:53 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe35.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.115]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RIeqW07457 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:40:52 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:40:46 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.10.180.180] From: "John Long" To: , "Don Greife" , "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: Gluing Up Nodeless Sticks Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:39:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A738.01978940" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2002 18:40:46.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[2252F460:01C1A762] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A738.01978940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bill, Try putting some wax paper on the glass-it saves some scraping. john ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A738.01978940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Bill,
Try putting some wax paper on the glass-it saves some scraping.<= /DIV>
 
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A738.01978940-- >From harms1@pa.net Sun Jan 27 15:36:33 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RLaVW10710 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:36:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp71.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.71]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 99D344C84C; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:32:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004301c1a77a$4e7195c0$47646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , , , , References: <001201c1a682$93b73020$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:33:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ted, In the days when a rod's weight was listed, the idea was to indicate what line it would handle. I can't tell you what the relationship was between the various increments of a rod's weight and the optimum line to use because that method of describing a rod's action became obsolete along when plastic replace silk lines. At least three factors occur to me as reasons for the demise of listing a rod's weight. 1. In the days when nearly all fly rods were significantly longer than nine feet in length, the weight of a rod (measured in 1/4 ounce increments) was a significant indicator of the action one could expect. When dry-fly action became widely popular (certainly by the 1930's), rods soon became significantly shorter and tapers more sophisticated. The weight of these "little" rods was cut in half over that of their predecessors, and the old system no longer indicated what it used to. 2. Bamboo rods were replaced by fiberglass in the 1950s (and then graphite), and the weights of these new rods further confused the old system of relating a rod to a line weight. 3. Silk lines were almost totally replaced by plastic lines in the 1960s, and these no longer performed (even in relation to an old bamboo rod's weight) in the same way that silk used to. An honest listing of a rod's weight used to be based upon the cane only, since this was considered to be the "base line" of a rod's structural capability. Makers knew what was being compared to what when they spoke in terms of the weight of a set of blanks, and the marketplace followed suit. Nowdays, however, we have no idea what the listed weight of our modern rods actually means. First, we don't know any longer if the whole rod is being weighed after wrapping, varnishing and mounting hardware, or if the indicated weight refers only to the cane. Secondly, we no longer can tell if a rod's weight (however is is measured) necessarily indicates much about the rod's ability to handle a given line. A large percentage of the weight of our rods today (compared to yesteryear) is a function of the hardware and varnish, and this may or may not indicate a rod's ability to cast one line better than the next. Today, a maker lists a rod's weight only as some kind of relative suggestion as to how the rod MIGHT feel in the caster's hand, as compared (I guess) to other rods of the same length, line weight and reel seat construction with which the caster might be familiar. Keeping careful track of weights might be important for a builder, as he tries to build some kind of data base for his own use, but otherwise, the general issue of weight doesn't indicate much to the consumer. Also, I suppose it might be added that the weight issue has become a sort of "hidden beauty contest" among some makers. Overall, I am not suggesting that the weight of a rod is irrelevant, because I would always insist that the lighter one can make any particular taper design for a given line weight, the better THAT rod will be. What is NOT relevent, however, would be an assumption, say, that the lightest of any and all 7 1/2 foot rods for a five-weight line must necessarily be the best rod. That's where one's assumptions about comparative weight issues go pretty much haywire. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted" To: ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: Re: whreel seats > It used to be standard practice for mfrs. to specify a rod's weight. Does > anyone know if there is a standard? For example, is it the weight of the > finished rod? Would some have reported only the blank's weight? . . . > > >From harms1@pa.net Sun Jan 27 15:53:55 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RLrsW11208 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:53:54 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp71.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.71]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B32074C84C; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:50:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006b01c1a77c$c0ba4260$47646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , "rodmakers" References: <013f01c1a697$58b7d640$418982d1@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Blank finishing Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:51:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Jim, Don't worry about it, especially at this time of the year. Bamboo, like all other natural materials, is going to seek equilibrium with whatever the ambient humidity happens to be. You might be able to forestall that process for six weeks, if you like, but only if you were to vacuum-seal the blank. Even then, when you returned to complete the finishing process, the bamboo would only take up its inevitable and lifelong career once again as a "humidistat". You cannot protect against this process: you can only apply varnish in an attempt to slow down the rate. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Tefft" To: "rodmakers" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Blank finishing Got a question. I have a blank that has had 2 coats of varnish that has been sanded between each coat. I'am getting ready to take a break for 6 weeks. Is the blank stable enough at this point to just leave out or should I wrap it in saran wrap and leave it in my tube with the moisture stuff ? Jim T >From harms1@pa.net Sun Jan 27 16:05:48 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RM5mW11688 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:05:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp71.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.71]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CB4B4C8E6; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:01:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007401c1a77e$6c6a2ca0$47646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , Cc: References: <001201c1a682$93b73020$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> <3C52ED6F.D6F873A3@frontier.net> <000801c1a69e$a9e53920$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:03:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ted, No offense, but Hardy (or somebody) is full of it. Many, many rods weigh less than 2 3/4 oz. Probably, every rod of 6 1/2 feet or less will come in shy of 2 3/4 ounces, and some 7 footers might also be included. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re: whreel seats > I think I need to do some research on this. I used to own a Hardy Marvel > which they listed as the world's lightest fly rod at 2 3/4oz. (I think?) I > just finished a Payne #96, #4, 6' 6" which weighed in at 2.2 finished > weight. > >From CALucker@aol.com Sun Jan 27 16:07:40 2002 Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RM7eW11827 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:07:40 - 0600 (CST) Received: from CALucker@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id p.174.2bcc3d2 (4394); Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:07:29 -0500 (EST) From: CALucker@aol.com Message-ID: <174.2bcc3d2.2985d421@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:07:29 EST Subject: Re: Mill drawing To: piscator@macatawa.org, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Reply-To: CALucker@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 1/27/2002 8:28:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, piscator@macatawa.org writes: << If you do make one and find it useful, thank Chris. >> Don't thank me. I just adapted and stole ideas from my Grandfather, Tim Bedford (when he owned the Dickerson stuff in the early 80's), Bob Summers, Charlie Jenkins, Per Brandin, Ron Kusse, Sam Carlson, Dawn Holbrook, Al Talbot, Dick Sherman, Forest Daley (The guy who makes Taig Lathes back when he was in South El Monte) and a whole bunch of pictures I stared at for a long time. I like your drawings. No one ever seems to understand my drawings. I am still answering questions about the dual-action binder plans that appear in the Best of the Planing Form. Chris Lucker >From harms1@pa.net Sun Jan 27 16:18:19 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RMIIW12406 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:18:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp71.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.71]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 13C944C827; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:14:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009b01c1a780$2bb020a0$47646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , , , References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:15:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Dave, Indeed, this is true. Much in the same way that tying lead weights to your shoes makes the rest of your body feel light by comparison. It's an illusion. Weight is weight, and when it is built into a rod unnecessarily (whether in the reel seat or elsewhere), it is the enemy of any given rod's ability to perform to its maximum potential. And this goes doubly for all those fancy-but-clunky, oh-so-expensive reels of 3 3/4 ounces and up. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Norling" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: Re: whreel seats Any weight added to the grip and reelseat and reel will decrease the feel of the weight of the rod. -----Original Message----- From: Steven A. Weiss To: canazon@mindspring.com ; RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:13 PM Subject: Re: whreel seats Mike, I don't understand why it would make you crazy to wind up with a 3 oz. bamboo flyrod. That's really a light rod. If that makes you crazy, wait until you put a 4 oz. reel on it. The lightest reel seat would be an aluminum double sliding band over a cork filler. minimize your grip size and contour it right into the filler, like Young did on the Midge. Steve >From bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 27 16:38:10 2002 Received: from mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.91]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RMc9W13026 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:38:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201272238.g0RMc9W13026@wugate.wustl.edu> Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.218.134]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:37:29 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:37:18 -0500 From: Shawn Pineo Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rcurry@ttlc.net CC: tedknott@cogeco.ca, channer@frontier.net, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats References: <001201c1a682$93b73020$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> <3C52ED6F.D6F873A3@frontier.net> <000801c1a69e$a9e53920$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> <3C53144C.6020605@ttlc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Reed, that's terrible!! Tell your friend to send me that mis-fit of a rod right away! No one should have to endure such a tiny rod. Sorry I couldn't have helped him sooner ;^) Shawn Reed Curry wrote: > Ted, > A friend has a Payne 96 (which became the 95) which at 6' weighs in at > 1.5 oz. I also have seen a Baby Catskill which was 1.0 oz., but the grip > and reelseat were too small to be usable. The buttcap was too short to > even accept the entire Leonard stamp. > > Best regards, > Reed > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > Ted wrote: > > > I think I need to do some research on this. I used to own a Hardy Marvel > > which they listed as the world's lightest fly rod at 2 3/4oz. (I think?) I > > just finished a Payne #96, #4, 6' 6" which weighed in at 2.2 finished > > weight. > > > > > > . > > > > > > -- >From bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Jan 27 16:43:24 2002 Received: from mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.91]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RMhOW13363 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:43:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201272243.g0RMhOW13363@wugate.wustl.edu> Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.218.134]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:44:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:44:37 -0500 From: Shawn Pineo Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tedknott@cogeco.ca CC: channer@frontier.net, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats References: <001201c1a682$93b73020$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> <3C52ED6F.D6F873A3@frontier.net> <000801c1a69e$a9e53920$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ted, most likely it did seem like the "lightest" rod compared to all the other 10' - 12' clubs floating around the English country side back then. I hear you could fish 3 different townships at once with those rods! ;^) Shawn Ted wrote: > I think I need to do some research on this. I used to own a Hardy Marvel > which they listed as the world's lightest fly rod at 2 3/4oz. (I think?) I > just finished a Payne #96, #4, 6' 6" which weighed in at 2.2 finished > weight. >From harms1@pa.net Sun Jan 27 16:47:19 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0RMlIW13674 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:47:18 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp71.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.71]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B277B4C8B4; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:43:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00c201c1a784$380296e0$47646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , , Cc: "rodmakers" References: <20020127155637.6047.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:44:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Rex, You will be hard-pressed to find an English rod that will be the match of those built over here. For two centuries, nobody has been able to equal the quality of a fine English shotgun, but ever since the 1870s, the Americans have led the world in high quality (and beautiful) fly rods. Hardy has always been a highly regarded purveyor of fine sporting goods, but much of that reputation in England has been a function of their wealthy and/or socially prominent clientele (as well as the wannabes). Hardy has always catered to the carriage trade, and the Brits--even the "working stiffs"--will stick with almost anything that keeps them in touch with their aristocratic heritage. Tradition dies hard, and in England most fly fishermen who are fortunate enough to BE fly fishermen, are loath to admit that we Americans can produce superior rods to those of the revered House of Hardy. In fairness, it should also be said that Hardy fly rods have probably been well-suited to the conditions that typify English fishing. It really is all different over there. But those Hardy rods don't "cut it" over here--unless one hasn't really handled rods by some of our finer makers. And now, thanks to Ron Barch, Wayne Cattenach and others who are on this list, we are all over the place! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Tutor" To: ; Cc: "rodmakers" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: Re: whreel seats > Peter > Is that just a humourous rhyme ? I know nothing about > Hardy but they are English. I believe themt o be a > big company and must be doing something right to stay > alive. What is your opinion on their bamboo rods ? > --- Peter McKean wrote: > > Hardy rods for casting flies, > > Are one part cane, and three parts lies ! > > > > [:-)] > > > > Peter > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > >From oakmere@carol.net Sun Jan 27 18:55:11 2002 Received: from mx04.gvl.sys.nuvox.net (mx04.gvl.sys.nuvox.net [64.89.70.86]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S0tAW15764 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:55:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from troutbeck (216.215.134.124.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.134.124]) by mx04.gvl.sys.nuvox.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g0S0ofj16364 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:50:42 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020127200731.0086f810@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: oakmere/pop.carol.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:07:31 -0500 To: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu From: "Frank W. Paul" Subject: RE: Polishing Rods Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: oakmere@carol.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Folks: I am interested in the issues associated with polishing rods. Specifically, what are the issues with polishing a spar varnished rod compared with polyurthane varnished rod? Are the same materials used for both? Can both be polished effectively? Thanks in advance for your input. Best, Frank Frank Paul, GreyFox TroutBeck Fly and Rod Seneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753-8121 fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work), Clemson University; 864-656-7471 oakmere@carol.net (home), South Carolina; 864-882-0077 >From caneman@clnk.com Sun Jan 27 19:05:32 2002 Received: from ispram.clnk.com (mail.clnk.com [12.5.228.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S15WW16171 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:05:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from caneman ([12.19.118.37]) by ispram.clnk.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:04:08 -0600 Message-ID: <043801c1a797$1553d380$8a76130c@caneman> From: "Bob Nunley" To: , References: <3.0.3.32.20020127200731.0086f810@pop3.norton.antivirus> Subject: Re: Polishing Rods Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:59:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: caneman@clnk.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Frank, In my experience, both spar and poly can be polished out to their original gloss and shine. I use two stages in polishing. First, I use 3M Perfect-It, then follow that up with 3M Finesse-It machine Polish. A well cured finish, whether it's poly or spar, properly polished, will shine like a new penny when you're finished. Of course, the best way is to insure that there's no dust or anything else in the finish and you won't have to polish. Not easy, but very possible. Later, Bob R.L. Nunley, Rodmaker Custom Split Cane Flyrods http://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank W. Paul" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: RE: Polishing Rods > Hi Folks: > > I am interested in the issues associated with polishing rods. Specifically, > what are the issues with polishing a spar varnished rod compared with > polyurthane varnished rod? Are the same materials used for both? Can both > be polished effectively? Thanks in advance for your input. > > Best, Frank > Frank Paul, GreyFox > TroutBeck Fly and Rod > Seneca, SC > > Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753-8121 > fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work), Clemson University; 864-656-7471 > oakmere@carol.net (home), South Carolina; 864-882-0077 > > >From harms1@pa.net Sun Jan 27 19:29:49 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S1TmW16819 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:29:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp172.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.172]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 99D3A4C831; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:25:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00d501c1a79a$e76f0760$47646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , Cc: , , References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> <3C542649.1070108@ttlc.net> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:26:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Reed, Again, weight is weight. And even though it may located (or added, as you say) at the "fulcrum point," we should not be deceived into thinking that this weight doesn't really count. All weight counts, and anything beyond the minimum needs of a rod to do its business will detract from the potential of that rod to perform. We all make concessions according to our tastes, but that is a different matter from saying that a little more weight doesn't count. Granted, an eighth of an ounce out toward the tip will detract a great deal more than a half-ounce in a reel seat or grip. But my point would be that we need to realize that this business of "balancing" a rod is completly irrelevant (a bogus concept, foisted on the public through marketing lingo). Neither can the concept of balance be equated with that of a fulcrum under casting conditions. A rod has a fulcrum or balance point only at that moment when the rod is held statically in one's hand. But that counts for nothing. Fly rods are meant to be cast, and when casting there is NO fixed fulcrum, and certainly not a "balance point." The motion of our arm transforms the rod into a moving "lever" at the butt-end, while the line transforms the tip of the rod into a different kind of a lever at its other end. The leverage (fulcrum) that originates in our shoulder and upper arm is gradually and then quickly transmitted down through the wrist and fingers. This leverage then moves outward, down the length of the rod as would a spring, and as this spring uncoils, the "fulcrum" (or leverage) moves with it. So, thinking in terms of a fly rod's "fulcrum" just doesn't enter into the casting equation at all. On the other hand, the illusion of "balance" might be created by adding weight anywhere from the grip to the butt cap. It is because leverage is first imparted to a fly rod at a point just under one's fingers and thumb, that weight in the area behind this point might seem to help in counteracting the weight of the rod. But I call that an illusion because this possibly "nicer feel" has been purchased at the price of needing to impart just that much greater physical effort to put the entire rig into motion. And it is the overall weight of a rod, regardless of placement, that affects both the action of the rod and the physical effort needed to put its mass into motion. Unnecessary weight anywhere in the grip or reel seat dampens the action of a rod exactly as would a shock absorber. Or, put differently, whatever the combined weight of the reel, reel seat and grip happen to be, this weight must first be overcome by the effort of one's casting before any flexing shape can be imparted to the rod out in front. If, for instance, there were no reel seat or reel at all, the rod would perhaps feel quite uncomfortable in one's hand. But upon casting, all the physical energy of one's effort would be delivered immediately and directly to the flexing of the rod, and no energy would be wasted by the dampening effect of weight located behind the fingers and thumb. Professional distance-casters know this well. But we are not professional distance-casters. We need a reel. And so we need to compromise in some way that will prouce a rod that is comfortable, efficient and, yes, also attractive. We needn't try to avoid such compromises, but we do not have to decieve ourselves at the same time by saying that "it doesn't matter--the heavier reel or reel seat only helps to 'balance' the rig." So, one kind of a force can have the apparent effect of offsetting another kind of force, but "adjustments" of these kinds (weight here, counterbalanced by weight or greater effort there) must always take a toll in overall efficiency. There's no free lunch. Weight (mass), wherever it is located, costs efficiency when a rod is put into motion by the caster. I am not a physicist, but I know there is simply no law in physics to circumvent that fact. cheers, Bill cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reed Curry" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: Re: whreel seats > Dave, > If you meant "any weight added below the grip..." I would certainly agree > with you. I often use very heavy reels on long cane rods for just that > reason. The grip is, however, the fulcrum point and weight added there > will not offset the weight above the grip. > Best regards, > Reed > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > Dave Norling wrote: > > > Any weight added to the grip and reelseat and reel will decrease the > > feel of the weight of the rod. > > > > > >From tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 20:03:40 2002 Received: from web11207.mail.yahoo.com (web11207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.189]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0S23dW17519 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:03:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020128020338.23494.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.255.50] by web11207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:03:38 PST Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:03:38 -0800 (PST) From: timothy troester Subject: Re: whreel seats To: harms1@pa.net, rcurry@ttlc.net, dnorl@qwest.net Cc: saweiss@flash.net, canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: <00d501c1a79a$e76f0760$47646c0c@billharm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN bill, i asked walton powell one time how much a rod weighed. man o' man! he thought that was the wrong question. he informed me weight wasn't important, that he had never weighed a rod, balance was what was important. his response was decorated with colorful frills and trimmings, too. i think that, obviously, a 9' rod with a butt of around .400 and a tip around .080 would be no joy to lug around a small river all day but i do think good balance will make a big differance. timothy --- WILLIAM HARMS wrote: > Reed, > > Again, weight is weight. And even though it may > located (or added, as you say) at the "fulcrum > point," we should not be > ===== "Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, - "If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 20:06:35 2002 Received: from web11206.mail.yahoo.com (web11206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.188]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0S26YW17768 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:06:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020128020630.2468.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.255.50] by web11206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:06:30 PST Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:06:30 -0800 (PST) From: timothy troester Subject: Re: whreel seats To: "rod 'akers" In-Reply-To: <200201272243.g0RMhOW13363@wugate.wustl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Ted wrote: > > > I think I need to do some research on this. I > used to own a Hardy Marvel > > which they listed as the world's lightest fly rod > at 2 3/4oz. (I think?) I > > just finished a Payne #96, #4, 6' 6" which weighed > in at 2.2 finished > > weight. i'm now planing out 2 #96's one of them i am donating to a trout unlimited banquet. i am really looking forward to this rod. timothy ===== "Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, - "If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Jan 27 20:32:20 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S2WJW18635 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:32:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [208.130.15.85] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A8074819005C; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:31:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3C54B8E2.1080902@ttlc.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:35:14 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WILLIAM HARMS CC: dnorl@qwest.net, saweiss@flash.net, canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> <3C542649.1070108@ttlc.net> <00d501c1a79a$e76f0760$47646c0c@billharm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-9; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bill, I think this is the second time in three months that I've had this discussion. And, as with the previous discussion, I will have to say that there is a big difference between optimum casting and optimum fishing. When I am in my favorite stream working a wet fly or streamer down through the riffles using a 10' cane rod, I might cast once every two minutes. The time casting is, because of the great rod, only, say, four seconds. The time moving to the next casting position could be 30 seconds to five minutes, but let's say 56 seconds for safety's sake in the fast water(and ease of math). That means that for every 3 minutes of fishing (180 seconds) only four seconds, or 2%, of the time is spent casting. This doesn't take into account the long walk in, or the distance to the next series of riffles. So are you saying that I should suffer 98% of the time with my wrist fighting a tip-heavy rod...so that 2% of the time my casting might improve by a small percentage? No, I mount a large, heavy (Pfleuger 1498) reel that brings the static balance point close to my hand and enjoy a day's fishing. Casting is not fishing. Moving to the position that permits the optimum presentation to the fish is equally as important as a decent cast. And that is just one element of fishing. Enjoyment of the day is another great component, and few of us would enjoy the day with our wrists aching, IMHO. Now the above is worst case. Obviously I also enjoy dry-fly fishing, and that requires more casting. But since I'm working calmer water and across stream, or up stream, I have to spend more time planning the casts. So, I might cast once every minute, rather than every three minutes; my percentage of time casting increases to 6%. That still isn't enough to warrant a tip-heavy rod. What'cha think, Bill? Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ WILLIAM HARMS wrote: > Reed, > > Again, weight is weight. And even though it may > located (or added, as you say) at the "fulcrum point," we should not be > deceived into thinking that this weight doesn't really count. All weight > counts, and anything beyond the minimum needs of a rod to do its business > will detract from the potential of that rod to perform. We all make > concessions according to our tastes, but that is a different matter from > saying that a little more weight doesn't count. > >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Jan 27 21:22:28 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S3MRW19825 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:22:27 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip216.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.216]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0S3Nur211426 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:23:56 - 0800 Message-ID: <3C54C41D.9506AA33@3g.quik.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:23:10 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rodmakers Subject: Favorite 7' 4 weight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi friends, I've got three 7' 4 weights to build, and thought it might be fun to see what some of your favorites are. I'm thinking about a Payne 98, or a Heddon taper that Steve Trauthwein and I wrestled over from SRG 99... What are your favorites? (other than the obvious list favorite Sir D) Thanks, Harry -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Sun Jan 27 21:22:38 2002 Received: from direct-pest.com (kpt-c-208-27-26-103.chartertn.net [208.27.26.103]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S3McW19830 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:22:38 - 0600 (CST) Received: from jcbyrd [208.27.26.111] by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.0.0m.R) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:22:18 - 0500 Message-ID: <000f01c1a7aa$efb6d460$6f1a1bd0@directpest.com> From: "Bamboo Joe" To: "Bamboo Flyrod List" Subject: Payne 96 Taper Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:21:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MDRemoteIP: 208.27.26.111 X-Return-Path: jcbyrd@direct-pest.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Reply-To: jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hey folks: All this talk of the Payne 96, and how sweet it is has peaked my curiosity. I don't have the taper. If anyone has it in BRMDP 3.0 Gold and would export it and email it to me I would appreciate it. If BRMDP users don't have it, would someone please email it to me at jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Thanks Joe P.S. I have the Payne 98 taper. Is it a 7' or 7.5 ft rod? ================================================= Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one hand and a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bamboo flyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker >From LambersonW@missouri.edu Sun Jan 27 21:26:13 2002 Received: from umc-mail01.missouri.edu (umc-mail01.missouri.edu [128.206.10.216]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S3QDW20221 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:26:13 - 0600 (CST) Received: by umc-mail01.missouri.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:26:13 -0600 Message-ID: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE678F4D@umc- mail02.missouri.edu> From: "Lamberson, William R." To: "'fbcwin@3g.quik.com'" , Rodmakers Subject: RE: Favorite 7' 4 weight Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:26:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: LambersonW@missouri.edu Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Garrison 201E and Dickerson 7012 for me Harry. Bill Lamberson -----Original Message----- From: Harry Boyd [mailto:fbcwin@3g.quik.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:23 PM To: Rodmakers Subject: Favorite 7' 4 weight Hi friends, I've got three 7' 4 weights to build, and thought it might be fun to see what some of your favorites are. I'm thinking about a Payne 98, or a Heddon taper that Steve Trauthwein and I wrestled over from SRG 99... What are your favorites? (other than the obvious list favorite Sir D) Thanks, Harry -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From channer@frontier.net Sun Jan 27 21:35:17 2002 Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S3ZGW20817 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:35:16 - 0600 (CST) Received: from frontier.net (ppp37.pm3-11.durango.frontier.net [66.118.195.37]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C147A53E for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:35:24 - 0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C54C6F0.B559EB49@frontier.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:35:12 -0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Rodmakers Subject: Re: Favorite 7' 4 weight References: <3C54C41D.9506AA33@3g.quik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN 98 or 7012 john Harry Boyd wrote: > > Hi friends, > > I've got three 7' 4 weights to build, and > thought it might be fun to see what some of your > favorites are. I'm thinking about a Payne 98, or > a Heddon taper that Steve Trauthwein and I > wrestled over from SRG 99... What are your > favorites? (other than the obvious list favorite > Sir D) > > Thanks, > Harry > > -- > > -- Harry Boyd -- > http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- > http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From jbbamboo@hotmail.com Sun Jan 27 23:41:29 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f81.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.81]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S5fSW23170 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:41:28 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:41:19 -0800 Received: from 24.247.66.141 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:41:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.247.66.141] From: "Jim Bureau" To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Favorite 7' 4 weight Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:41:19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 05:41:19.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[690A92D0:01C1A7BE] Reply-To: jbbamboo@hotmail.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN

Harry:

  From what I know, the Payne 98 is a 5wt rod. At least mine casts better with a 5 wt line for my style of casting. The Payne catalog that I have lists the 98 as a Fast DF-5   2 7/8 to 3 oz rod.
      

                    Jim

>From: Harry Boyd
>Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com
>To: Rodmakers
>Subject: Favorite 7' 4 weight
>Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:23:10 -0600
>
>Hi friends,
>
> I've got three 7' 4 weights to build, and
>thought it might be fun to see what some of your
>favorites are. I'm thinking about a Payne 98, or
>a Heddon taper that Steve Trauthwein and I
>wrestled over from SRG 99... What are your
>favorites? (other than the obvious list favorite
>Sir D)
>
> Thanks,
> Harry
>
>--
>
> -- Harry Boyd --
>http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods --
>http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church --
>

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>From ajthramer@hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 01:12:23 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f53.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.53]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S7CMW28165 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:12:22 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:12:16 -0800 Received: from 206.102.29.18 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:12:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.102.29.18] From: "Allen Thramer" To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Favorite 7' 4 weight Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:12:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 07:12:16.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E0A8490:01C1A7CB] Reply-To: ajthramer@hotmail.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Granger A.J. >From: Harry Boyd >Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com >To: Rodmakers >Subject: Favorite 7' 4 weight >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:23:10 -0600 > >Hi friends, > > I've got three 7' 4 weights to build, and >thought it might be fun to see what some of your >favorites are. I'm thinking about a Payne 98, or >a Heddon taper that Steve Trauthwein and I >wrestled over from SRG 99... What are your >favorites? (other than the obvious list favorite >Sir D) > > Thanks, > Harry > >-- > > -- Harry Boyd -- >http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- >http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >From ajthramer@hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 01:18:23 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.21]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S7IMW28438 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:18:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:18:09 -0800 Received: from 206.102.29.18 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:18:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.102.29.18] From: "Allen Thramer" To: tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com, harms1@pa.net, rcurry@ttlc.net, dnorl@qwest.net Cc: saweiss@flash.net, canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:18:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 07:18:09.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[F06D9E40:01C1A7CB] Reply-To: ajthramer@hotmail.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Walton was da man! Never one to suffer fools easily from what I hear and a man of strong opinions. Opinions that were formed building more rods than any of us could hope to. John Weir was the same way. Thought that NS reel seats were stupid! He was of the mind that a well made aluminum seat was just a pretty and a whole lot more functional. I still have a few left of his. A.J. >From: timothy troester >Reply-To: tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com >To: harms1@pa.net, rcurry@ttlc.net, dnorl@qwest.net >CC: saweiss@flash.net, canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu >Subject: Re: whreel seats >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:03:38 -0800 (PST) > >bill, i asked walton powell one time how much a rod >weighed. man o' man! he thought that was the wrong >question. he informed me weight wasn't important, that >he had never weighed a rod, balance was what was >important. his response was decorated with colorful >frills and trimmings, too. i think that, obviously, a >9' rod with a butt of around .400 and a tip around >.080 would be no joy to lug around a small river all >day but i do think good balance will make a big >differance. timothy > >--- WILLIAM HARMS wrote: > > Reed, > > > > Again, weight is weight. And even though it may > > located (or added, as you say) at the "fulcrum > > point," we should not be > > > >===== >"Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" > >...Ride, boldly ride," >The shade replied, - >"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com >From geert.poorteman@undp.org Mon Jan 28 01:39:38 2002 Received: from relay2.undp.org (rock.undp.org [192.124.42.30]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0S7dbW28939 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:39:37 - 0600 (CST) Received: from umka.undp.org (umka.undp.org [192.124.42.40]) by relay2.undp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1/1.16) with ESMTP id g0S7dXA20227 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:39:33 - 0500 (EST) Received: from inet01.bi.undp.org ([127.0.0.1]) by umka.undp.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4453 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:39:15 - 0500 Received: from undp.org ([199.9.3.155]) by inet01.bi.undp.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with ESMTP id 229; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:33:35 +0200 Message-ID: <3C54FEB7.E947E684@undp.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:33:11 +0200 From: "Geert Poorteman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LambersonW@missouri.edu CC: "'Don Greife '" , "'rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu '" Subject: Re: Gluing Up Nodeless Sticks References: <44D2ED0AC0121146BF01366481060EBE678F47@umc- mail02.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: geert.poorteman@undp.org Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi, as clamps I use old fashioned clothes pins and I reinforce them with a rubber band around the clamps. Works fine and you can afford to have a lot of them, which speeds up the glueing of the splines. I glue the splines for a rod in one day. Geert Lamberson, William R. a Çcrit: > Hi Don, > > I glue one splice at a time on each strip. If the full strip includes five > sections, consider them A, B, C, D and E, I glue A to B and D to E, then AB > to C and finally ACB to DE. I find it easier to handle only a single splice > at a time. In the long run it doesn't take any more time unless you have a > very large supply of clamps. > > When I glue the splices I place the sections enamel side down on a piece of > glass and apply the middle of three clamps. I then turn the unit over and > adjust the fit as necessary and apply the clamps to either side of the > first. Between gluing sessions I use a little scraper with a razor blade to > remove the dried glue from the glass. > > When I am gluing I will split a culm, heat treat, put the angles on the > sections and then glue a set of strips two or three times per day until all > the strips are completed. A 12' culm will usually yield 40 - 60 strips > depending on how long they need to be. > > Bill Lamberson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Greife > To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > Sent: 1/26/2002 6:45 PM > Subject: Gluing Up Nodeless Sticks > > Just getting into nodeless building and was wondering how the rest of > you > were gluing all the little sticks together. Are you using some sort of > jig > to hold 3 or 5 sticks together, strait, while you attach the 'pony' > clips? > Or, is this a dumb question. Built a new hard wood scarfing block. Pics > by > request. Don Greife > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com >From petermckean@netspace.net.au Mon Jan 28 04:01:30 2002 Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SA1TW00341 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:01:29 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mckean (dialup-m1-36.Launceston.netspace.net.au [210.15.253.164]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0S9QRk98352; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:26:28 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <000601c1a7dd$c1526ca0$a4fd0fd2@mckean> From: "Peter McKean" To: "Rex Tutor" Cc: "rodmakers" References: <20020127155637.6047.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:25:36 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: petermckean@netspace.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Rex Let me in fact add to that "humorous rhyme" : Hardy rods for casting flies, Are one part cane, and three parts lies; And if their lightness still surprises, Remember this - that hot air rises! [:-)] Peter >From horsesho@ptd.net Mon Jan 28 04:40:25 2002 Received: from smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.84]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0SAeOW00913 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:40:24 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 31580 invoked by uid 50005); 28 Jan 2002 10:40:23 -0000 Received: from horsesho@ptd.net by smtpd with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4181. . Clean. Processed in 0.854278 secs); 28 Jan 2002 10:40:23 -0000 Received: from du10.cli.ptd.net (HELO ptd.net) ([204.186.33.10]) (envelope- sender ) by smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 28 Jan 2002 10:40:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3C552873.4090402@ptd.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:31:15 -0500 From: "Marty D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jbbamboo@hotmail.com CC: fbcwin@3g.quik.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Favorite 7' 4 weight References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000707030604070203070207" Reply-To: horsesho@ptd.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --------------000707030604070203070207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The #97 is listed as a 7' DT-4 . I like the Granger 7'er. Marty Jim Bureau wrote: > Harry: > > From what I know, the Payne 98 is a 5wt rod. At least mine casts > better with a 5 wt line for my style of casting. The Payne catalog > that I have lists the 98 as a Fast DF-5 2 7/8 to 3 oz rod. > > > Jim > > >From: Harry Boyd >Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com >To: Rodmakers > >Subject: Favorite 7' 4 weight >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:23:10 -0600 > > >Hi friends, > > I've got three 7' 4 weights to build, and >thought > it might be fun to see what some of your >favorites are. I'm thinking > about a Payne 98, or >a Heddon taper that Steve Trauthwein and I > >wrestled over from SRG 99... What are your >favorites? (other than > the obvious list favorite >Sir D) > > Thanks, > Harry > >-- > > -- > Harry Boyd -- >http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- > >http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click > Here --------------000707030604070203070207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The #97 is listed as a 7' DT-4 . I like the Granger 7'er. Marty

Jim Bureau wrote:

Harry:

  From what I know, the Payne 98 is a 5wt rod. At least mine casts better with a 5 wt line for my style of casting. The Payne catalog that I have lists the 98 as a Fast DF-5   2 7/8 to 3 oz rod.
      

                    Jim

>From: Harry Boyd >Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com >To: Rodmakers >Subject: Favorite 7' 4 weight >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:23:10 -0600 > >Hi friends, > > I've got three 7' 4 weights to build, and >thought it might be fun to see what some of your >favorites are. I'm thinking about a Payne 98, or >a Heddon taper that Steve Trauthwein and I >wrestled over from SRG 99... What are your >favorites? (other than the obvious list favorite >Sir D) > > Thanks, > Harry > >-- > > -- Harry Boyd -- >http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- >http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >

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--------------000707030604070203070207-- >From harms1@pa.net Mon Jan 28 07:40:45 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SDeiW02727 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:40:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp195.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.195]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F8084C988; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:36:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001401c1a801$02ae5e20$c3646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: Cc: , , , References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> <3C542649.1070108@ttlc.net> <00d501c1a79a$e76f0760$47646c0c@billharm> <3C54B8E2.1080902@ttlc.net> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:38:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Reed, I think I came on pretty strong in my last email, Reed--sorta like a train-wreck. I do that from time to time, before thinking about the human element. Something starts to piss me off and then I'll write one of these endless "open letters to the universe"--you know, like everybody else is an idiot. At age 62 you'd think adolescence would have passed by now. So, I apologize to you and to the list if I came on like a jerk. I accept and agree with everything you say here. It's true that our actual fishing is about enjoyment, however we derive that. And I believe, as you do, that casting comfort and the many pleasures of the day should not be sacrificed in the name of "maximum rod efficiency." I only wished to point out the nature of that "trade- off." All my earlier discussions (rantings?) were of a theoretical nature, because it seemed to me that there have been a great many misunderstandings about how weight affects a rod's performance. My intentions were to point out that weight (variously distributed around the grip and butt area) DOES matter, and that, strictly in terms of a rod's mechanical ability to fulfill its design parameters, added weight always figures into the negative column. Now, as you rightly point out, there are any number of very good reasons why a fly fisher would want to make this trade-off. For one thing, of course, the sacrifice may not be noticeably significant anyhow. And for another thing, NOT doing so may actually result in an unpleasant-feeling rod during a day's activity. I think the real issue, in practical terms, is one of knowing what kind of trade-off one is making, and THEN deciding if the desired fishing experience will be "worth" it. At the other end of the spectrum, NOT KNOWING that added weight detracts from a rod's casting ability can also turn a sprightly rod into one that becomes dead-in-the-hand. For instance, I am about to buy the small Hardy "Casopedia" re-pro, and I intend to use it on an adaptation of a Dickerson's 801510D that I'm building. Now, I know that this reel will be far too heavy for the rod. Even as small as it is, the reel is probably too heavy for almost any rod under nine feet, but I have decided that I don't care. The reel is simply so beautiful, and I derive such pleasure from just looking at it and knowing that it's there, that I plan to use it anyway. Although I am hoping the reel won't spoil the action of this rod beyond my willingness to use it, I am sure I would never use it on my four or five weight rods of seven-and-a-half feet or less. And I am dead certain that both the Dickerson I mentioned and all my smaller rods would perform far better with my Hardy "Featherweight." So, the issue is one of knowing that weight kills, and then deciding how "dead" you are willing to be for the sake of all the other fishing objectives (and pleasures) you surely need. Overall, I believe that, for the sake of the rod one has designed, the lighter you can keep the rig, the better. Added weight matters. One has to know this, and then decide what other (contravening) needs will also be important. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reed Curry" To: "WILLIAM HARMS" Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: Re: whreel seats > Bill, > I think this is the second time in three months that I've had this > discussion. And, as with the previous discussion, I will have to say > that there is a big difference between optimum casting and optimum > fishing. When I am in my favorite stream working a wet fly or streamer > down through the riffles using a 10' cane rod, I might cast once every > two minutes. The time casting is, because of the great rod, only, say, > four seconds. The time moving to the next casting position could be 30 > seconds to five minutes, but let's say 56 seconds for safety's sake in > the fast water(and ease of math). That means that for every 3 minutes of > fishing (180 seconds) only four seconds, or 2%, of the time is spent > casting. This doesn't take into account the long walk in, or the > distance to the next series of riffles. So are you saying that I should > suffer 98% of the time with my wrist fighting a tip-heavy rod...so that > 2% of the time my casting might improve by a small percentage? No, I > mount a large, heavy (Pfleuger 1498) reel that brings the static balance > point close to my hand and enjoy a day's fishing. > Casting is not fishing. Moving to the position that permits the optimum > presentation to the fish is equally as important as a decent cast. And > that is just one element of fishing. Enjoyment of the day is another > great component, and few of us would enjoy the day with our wrists > aching, IMHO. > Now the above is worst case. Obviously I also enjoy dry-fly fishing, and > that requires more casting. But since I'm working calmer water and > across stream, or up stream, I have to spend more time planning the > casts. So, I might cast once every minute, rather than every three > minutes; my percentage of time casting increases to 6%. That still isn't > enough to warrant a tip-heavy rod. What'cha think, Bill? > Best regards, > Reed > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > WILLIAM HARMS wrote: > > > Reed, > > > > Again, weight is weight. And even though it may > > located (or added, as you say) at the "fulcrum point," we should not be > > deceived into thinking that this weight doesn't really count. All weight > > counts, and anything beyond the minimum needs of a rod to do its business > > will detract from the potential of that rod to perform. We all make > > concessions according to our tastes, but that is a different matter from > > saying that a little more weight doesn't count. > > > > >From harms1@pa.net Mon Jan 28 07:51:36 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SDpZW03191 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:51:35 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp195.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.195]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CAC3E4C98D; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:47:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101c1a802$8ab05f20$c3646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: "timothy troester" Cc: References: <20020128020338.23494.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:48:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Tim, Well, perhaps the discussion should revolve around what one means by "balance," how it is to be derived, and how much "balance" is desireable for any particular rod or caster. The term, in itself, doesn't indicate anything useful. And it certainly can't be determined meaningfully simply by holding rod and reel statically to see where it lays across one's finger. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "timothy troester" To: ; ; Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:03 PM Subject: Re: whreel seats > bill, i asked walton powell one time how much a rod > weighed. man o' man! he thought that was the wrong > question. he informed me weight wasn't important, that > he had never weighed a rod, balance was what was > important. his response was decorated with colorful > frills and trimmings, too. i think that, obviously, a > 9' rod with a butt of around .400 and a tip around > .080 would be no joy to lug around a small river all > day but i do think good balance will make a big > differance. timothy > > --- WILLIAM HARMS wrote: > > Reed, > > > > Again, weight is weight. And even though it may > > located (or added, as you say) at the "fulcrum > > point," we should not be > > > > ===== > "Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" > > ...Ride, boldly ride," > The shade replied, - > "If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > >From harms1@pa.net Mon Jan 28 07:53:45 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SDrjW03406 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:53:45 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp195.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.195]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 126784C8FD; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:49:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003201c1a802$da138d80$c3646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , "Rodmakers" References: <3C54C41D.9506AA33@3g.quik.com> Subject: Re: Favorite 7' 4 weight Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:51:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Harry, As to published tapers, I'll surely go with Garrison's 201, 201E and 202. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Boyd" To: "Rodmakers" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Favorite 7' 4 weight > Hi friends, > > I've got three 7' 4 weights to build, and > thought it might be fun to see what some of your > favorites are. I'm thinking about a Payne 98, or > a Heddon taper that Steve Trauthwein and I > wrestled over from SRG 99... What are your > favorites? (other than the obvious list favorite > Sir D) > > Thanks, > Harry > > -- > > -- Harry Boyd -- > http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- > http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > >From Clyde.Dent@cjrw.com Mon Jan 28 08:06:44 2002 Received: from cjrw.com ([162.39.169.226]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SE6iW03926 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:06:44 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.2.125] (192.168.2.125) by cjrw.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.2) for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:08:13 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:07:41 -0600 Subject: Unsubscrive From: Clyde Dent To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Reply-To: Clyde.Dent@cjrw.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >From avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Jan 28 08:40:37 2002 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0SEeZW05829 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:40:36 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 23064 invoked by uid 666); 28 Jan 2002 14:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) (203.59.162.188) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 14:40:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020128214053.00a703d0@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:45:29 +0800 To: rcurry@ttlc.net, WILLIAM HARMS From: Tony Young Subject: Re: whreel seats Cc: dnorl@qwest.net, saweiss@flash.net, canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: <3C54B8E2.1080902@ttlc.net> References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> <3C542649.1070108@ttlc.net> <00d501c1a79a$e76f0760$47646c0c@billharm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: avyoung@iinet.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I for one can attest that Reeds' enjoyment of fishing would not improve one jot more by changing anything and Reed does enjoy his fishing, moving to the next position, chatting and watching [:-)] Tony At 09:35 PM 1/27/02 -0500, Reed Curry wrote: >Bill, > I think this is the second time in three months that I've had > this discussion. And, as with the previous discussion, I will have to say > that there is a big difference between optimum casting and optimum > fishing. When I am in my favorite stream working a wet fly or streamer > down through the riffles using a 10' cane rod, I might cast once every > two minutes. The time casting is, because of the great rod, only, say, > four seconds. The time moving to the next casting position could be 30 > seconds to five minutes, but let's say 56 seconds for safety's sake in > the fast water(and ease of math). That means that for every 3 minutes of > fishing (180 seconds) only four seconds, or 2%, of the time is spent > casting. This doesn't take into account the long walk in, or the distance > to the next series of riffles. So are you saying that I should suffer 98% > of the time with my wrist fighting a tip-heavy rod...so that 2% of the > time my casting might improve by a small percentage? No, I mount a large, > heavy (Pfleuger 1498) reel that brings the static balance point close to > my hand and enjoy a day's fishing. > Casting is not fishing. Moving to the position that permits the > optimum presentation to the fish is equally as important as a decent > cast. And that is just one element of fishing. Enjoyment of the day is > another great component, and few of us would enjoy the day with our > wrists aching, IMHO. > Now the above is worst case. Obviously I also enjoy dry-fly > fishing, and that requires more casting. But since I'm working calmer > water and across stream, or up stream, I have to spend more time planning > the casts. So, I might cast once every minute, rather than every three > minutes; my percentage of time casting increases to 6%. That still isn't > enough to warrant a tip-heavy rod. What'cha think, Bill? >Best regards, >Reed >http://www.overmywaders.com/ > >WILLIAM HARMS wrote: > >>Reed, >>Again, weight is weight. And even though it may >>located (or added, as you say) at the "fulcrum point," we should not be >>deceived into thinking that this weight doesn't really count. All weight >>counts, and anything beyond the minimum needs of a rod to do its business >>will detract from the potential of that rod to perform. We all make >>concessions according to our tastes, but that is a different matter from >>saying that a little more weight doesn't count. > /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ >From patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Mon Jan 28 09:14:49 2002 Received: from blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com [192.161.36.5]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SFEmW07847 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:14:49 - 0600 (CST) Received: from blv-av-02.boeing.com ([192.54.3.92]) by blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id HAA06490 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:14:48 - 0800 (PST) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-02.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-01) with ESMTP id HAA20973 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:14:47 - 0800 (PST) Received: from xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh- 02.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.54.12.28]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id g0SFF1l05382 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:15:01 - 0800 (PST) Received: by xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:15:04 -0800 Message-ID: <58B6DA1B98AA9149B13B029976A48BCC07E76BD8@xch-nw- 31.nw.nos.boeing.com> From: "Coffey, Patrick W" To: "'rodmakers'" Subject: rod weight Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:14:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I know I should keep my big mouth shut but this weight stuff, eighth ounces and such, is pretty silly. Our rods weigh so little that shaving a once or two really doesn't make any difference. My mouse on my computer weighs more than my fly rod, I use it all day and it doesn't make my arm tired or make me want to shave off an once or two. I carry around 8' and 9' foot fly rods on the rivers all day and the only part of me that gets tired is my legs from climbing over all the rocks and fighting the current. It's not like we are casting rods that weigh pounds. Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 >From harms1@pa.net Mon Jan 28 09:45:46 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SFjjW11314 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:45:45 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp195.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.195]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 99D364C9FF; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:41:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00d601c1a812$7f081b80$c3646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , "'rodmakers'" References: <58B6DA1B98AA9149B13B029976A48BCC07E76BD8@xch-nw- 31.nw.nos.boeing.com> Subject: Re: rod weight Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:43:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Patrick, No, I think maybe you misunderstand what I have been trying to say. I haven't been talking about wear and tear on the poor, blighted fisherman. I've been trying to point out something about weight and the action of a rod. And ounces certainly DO matter. To grant you your point, it is possible that one may not be able to detect how much they matter, and in that case the issue would be purely academic (even moot). But, if undetectable, the added weight would be a fuction of the design capability of the rod in question, and not of your general assumption that ounces don't matter. As a luthier, surely you would agree that even fractions of an ounce (and their distribution) matter in a violin, and that they matter even more in the bow. Now, an added ounce or two in a cello or bass would matter considerably less, while the action of any bow (whether for violin or bass) remains critically related to weight and distribution. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffey, Patrick W" To: "'rodmakers'" Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: rod weight > I know I should keep my big mouth shut but this weight stuff, eighth ounces > and such, is pretty silly. Our rods weigh so little that shaving a once or > two really doesn't make any difference. My mouse on my computer weighs more > than my fly rod, I use it all day and it doesn't make my arm tired or make > me want to shave off an once or two. I carry around 8' and 9' foot fly rods > on the rivers all day and the only part of me that gets tired is my legs > from climbing over all the rocks and fighting the current. It's not like we > are casting rods that weigh pounds. > > > Patrick W. Coffey > AOG Incident Repair Planning > Phone: 425-234-2901 > Fax: 425-237-0083 > M-2112 M/C 61-79 > > >From homes-sold@attbi.com Mon Jan 28 09:48:54 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SFmrW11829 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:48:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from c1616335a ([12.230.158.46]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020128154847.EFZ10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@c1616335a>; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:48:47 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01c1a813$ae176ba0$2e9ee60c@attbi.com> Reply-To: "Don Schneider" From: "Don Schneider" To: , , "WILLIAM HARMS" Cc: , , , References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> <3C542649.1070108@ttlc.net> <00d501c1a79a$e76f0760$47646c0c@billharm> <5.1.0.14.2.20020128214053.00a703d0@mail.iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:51:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >From my golf club building days we use to adjust the "Swing Weight" of the clubs to fit the customer's needs. By adding or subtracting weight from the club head or grip we could give the customer the "feel" they wanted. Keeping the weight to a minimum even though the clubs individual total weight was different, they felt the same when swung. Isn't that what we are trying to accomplish with rods also? Just a thought. Don >From patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Mon Jan 28 09:55:29 2002 Received: from blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com [192.161.36.5]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SFtRW13737 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:55:28 - 0600 (CST) Received: from stl-av-02.boeing.com ([192.76.190.7]) by blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id HAA11970 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:55:23 - 0800 (PST) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-02.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-01) with ESMTP id JAA23188 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:55:22 - 0600 (CST) Received: from xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh- 02.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.54.12.28]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id g0SFtZl09924 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:55:36 - 0800 (PST) Received: by xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:55:38 -0800 Message-ID: <58B6DA1B98AA9149B13B029976A48BCC07E76BDB@xch-nw- 31.nw.nos.boeing.com> From: "Coffey, Patrick W" To: "'rodmakers'" Subject: joke, clean Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:55:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN what do the Seattle Seahawks and Billy Graham have in common? they both can make 60,000 people stand up and yell "Jesus Christ!" Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 >From patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Mon Jan 28 09:56:40 2002 Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com [12.13.247.21]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SFudW14288 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:56:39 - 0600 (CST) Received: from blv-av-02.boeing.com ([192.54.3.92]) by stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id JAA15107 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:56:34 - 0600 (CST) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-02.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-01) with ESMTP id HAA11316 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:56:33 - 0800 (PST) Received: from xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh- 02.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.54.12.28]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id g0SFukl12126 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:56:47 - 0800 (PST) Received: by xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:56:49 -0800 Message-ID: <58B6DA1B98AA9149B13B029976A48BCC07E76BDC@xch-nw- 31.nw.nos.boeing.com> From: "Coffey, Patrick W" To: "'rodmakers'" Subject: FW: rod weight Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:56:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN in violin making we don't weigh the instrument, it doesn't mean anything. As in rod making it's not the weight that matters it's the modulus of stiffness and that it totally dependent on the stiffness of the power fibers whether we're dealing with bamboo or Sitka spruce. No two violins are the same, each is adjusted to match the material and tested with what we call a tap tone which is a audio reading of how stiff the material is, the stiffer the thinner the softer the thicker. That was the real secret of strad., his ability to adjust the thickness of the material to match the stiffness of the material for optimum sound production. Sometimes I get the feeling that the differences in the tapers for particular models from the old makers was them adjusting the taper to match the material they had. No two pieces of wood are the same and now two pieces of bamboo are the same even if the come from the same plant. Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM HARMS [mailto:harms1@pa.net] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:43 AM To: patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com; 'rodmakers' Subject: Re: rod weight Patrick, No, I think maybe you misunderstand what I have been trying to say. I haven't been talking about wear and tear on the poor, blighted fisherman. I've been trying to point out something about weight and the action of a rod. And ounces certainly DO matter. To grant you your point, it is possible that one may not be able to detect how much they matter, and in that case the issue would be purely academic (even moot). But, if undetectable, the added weight would be a fuction of the design capability of the rod in question, and not of your general assumption that ounces don't matter. As a luthier, surely you would agree that even fractions of an ounce (and their distribution) matter in a violin, and that they matter even more in the bow. Now, an added ounce or two in a cello or bass would matter considerably less, while the action of any bow (whether for violin or bass) remains critically related to weight and distribution. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffey, Patrick W" To: "'rodmakers'" Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: rod weight > I know I should keep my big mouth shut but this weight stuff, eighth ounces > and such, is pretty silly. Our rods weigh so little that shaving a once or > two really doesn't make any difference. My mouse on my computer weighs more > than my fly rod, I use it all day and it doesn't make my arm tired or make > me want to shave off an once or two. I carry around 8' and 9' foot fly rods > on the rivers all day and the only part of me that gets tired is my legs > from climbing over all the rocks and fighting the current. It's not like we > are casting rods that weigh pounds. > > > Patrick W. Coffey > AOG Incident Repair Planning > Phone: 425-234-2901 > Fax: 425-237-0083 > M-2112 M/C 61-79 > > >From harms1@pa.net Mon Jan 28 10:10:39 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SGAcW19892 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:10:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp195.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.195]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E1EFD4CA15; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:06:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00ee01c1a815$f7c5cec0$c3646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: "Don Schneider" , , Cc: , , , References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> <3C542649.1070108@ttlc.net> <00d501c1a79a$e76f0760$47646c0c@billharm> <5.1.0.14.2.20020128214053.00a703d0@mail.iinet.net.au> <002a01c1a813$ae176ba0$2e9ee60c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:08:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Don, More or less, yes. We do something similar in determining proper gun-fit too. But in both (or all) cases, one can go only "so far" before we begin interfering with the ability of the club, gun or fly rod to do the job for which it was designed. A putter would have different tolerances in this regard from, say, a number one wood. Similarly, the best feel for an upland game gun has different requirements and limitations from those appropriate to, say, a trap, skeet or sporting clays gun. And what you can (should) do with a twenty-eight guage gun is not the same as what a twelve guage will bear. Then too, there is always that all-important matter of personal taste. So, too, with fly rods. Bottom line in all these cases: weight matters. What's important is to understand exactly how and why, and then to make one's choices. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Schneider" To: ; ; "WILLIAM HARMS" Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: Re: whreel seats > >From my golf club building days we use to adjust the "Swing Weight" of the > clubs to fit the customer's needs. By adding or subtracting weight from the > club head or grip we could give the customer the "feel" they wanted. Keeping > the weight to a minimum even though the clubs individual total weight was > different, they felt the same when swung. Isn't that what we are trying to > accomplish with rods also? Just a thought. > Don > > >From alspicer99@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 10:14:58 2002 Received: from web11004.mail.yahoo.com (web11004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.54]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0SGEvW21701 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:14:57 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020128161456.68143.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.76.37] by web11004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:14:56 PST Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: al spicer Subject: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: alspicer99@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hello List, I'm looking for some suggestions, I would like to build a 9' 4 or 5 wt. 3 piece medium action rod to take to Montana this summer. In the Hexrod archive I found several 9' 6 & 7 wt and one 3 wt but no 4 or 5 wt. and no luck in the Rodmakers Archive. Does anyone know of a good taper for a 9' 3 piece 4 or 5 wt? Thanks, Al Spicer Greensboro, NC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From ldboyko@cpinternet.com Mon Jan 28 10:52:36 2002 Received: from seagull.cpinternet.com (mail.cpinternet.com [209.240.224.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SGqZW26197 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:52:35 - 0600 (CST) Received: from ldboyko (cp5300-1-74.cpinternet.com [209.240.244.74]) by seagull.cpinternet.com (8.12.0/8.12.0) with SMTP id g0SGq9Nm018376 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:52:21 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000801c1a82f$a74c2880$4af4f0d1@ldboyko> From: "lew boyko" To: "Rodmakers" Subject: First Bamboo fly rod Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:11:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A7EC.8E49B480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: ldboyko@cpinternet.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A7EC.8E49B480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All: Am just getting starting planning my strips for my first bamboo = fly rod. Need to know a couple of things, what is a good glue that most = of you use, Urac 185 seems to be the most popular, and I remember seeing = titbond ll on the screen awile back, what was that for. Also the binder = thread, where is a good place to buy this stuff beside Goolden Withc for = comparison. Lew =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A7EC.8E49B480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All: Am just getting starting = planning my strips=20 for my first bamboo fly rod.  Need to know a couple of things, what = is a=20 good glue that most of you use, Urac 185 seems to be the most popular, = and I=20 remember seeing titbond ll on the screen awile back, what was that = for. =20 Also the binder thread, where is a good place to buy this stuff beside = Goolden=20 Withc for comparison.  Lew 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A7EC.8E49B480-- >From alan.grombacher@pioneer.com Mon Jan 28 11:03:52 2002 Received: from mhub16.lvs.dupont.com (mhub16.lvs.dupont.com [52.128.30.9]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SH3oW27163 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:50 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mhub14.lvs.dupont.com by mhub16.lvs.dupont.com with ESMTP for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:03:45 -0500 Received: from orion.phibred.com by mhub14.lvs.dupont.com with ESMTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:15:02 -0500 Received: by orion.phibred.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:14:56 -0600 Message-Id: <54FEE73BEDFDD311976F00805F6F9ADE4185D3@pegasus.phibred.com> From: "Grombacher, Alan" To: "'rcurry@ttlc.net'" , bob@downandacross.com Cc: Listserv Rodmakers Subject: RE: Books Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:14:54 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: alan.grombacher@pioneer.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hey Reed, Holy Cow! I think I bought mine for $50.00US directly from Marty back in my Nebraska days. Cheers from the almost Arctic, Alberta Al -----Original Message----- From: Reed Curry [mailto:rcurry@ttlc.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:15 PM To: bob@downandacross.com Cc: Listserv Rodmakers Subject: Re: Books Bob, A used book dealer at the Marlborough show told me that Marty was re-issuing the book. But I guess that rumor goes around every so often. She had a copy for $275. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Bob Maulucci wrote: > Chris and list: > I too just picked up a few books. Reed had mentioned how nice "Land of > Little Rivers" was. It has great pics of the Catskill makers rods. The other > book was the 2 volume "Trout" by Schweibert. I have to say, I think that is > the best resource I have read yet. I like Keane and Campbell, but "Trout" is > truly special. Very informative regarding the rodmakers and models. > Does anyone know Mr Keane to ask whether his book will ever be re-issued? I > have taken it out of the library several times. I am getting tempted to make > some copies! (But, I would never do that...realy). > Best regards, Bob >From darrell@vFish.net Mon Jan 28 11:42:41 2002 Received: from torme.siteprotect.com (torme.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.66]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SHgeW29766 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:40 - 0600 (CST) Received: from dlee (adsl-63-194-22-85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.22.85]) by torme.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16042 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:37 - 0600 Reply-To: From: "Darrell Lee" Cc: "Listserv Rodmakers" Subject: RE: Books Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:41:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <54FEE73BEDFDD311976F00805F6F9ADE4185D3@pegasus.phibred.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN A couple years ago when I visited Marty Keane, I asked him about a reprint, he kinda shook his head to the negative so I'm not holding my breath for a 3rd edition... Sorta like the Colorado Classic Cane that a reprint or revised edition is soon to be coming out... it's probably been 3+ years since it was first announced... From what I've been told, I think it is unlikely that this book will be reprinted... $275 for a 1st ed keane book is a great price considering what they have gone for at auction. Regards, Darrell Lee http://www.abebooks.com/home/DARRELLL/ http://www.vfish.net Info & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 Toll-Free U.S. Order Line (877)452-2420 P.O. Box 4111 Hollywood, CA 90078-4111 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Grombacher, Alan Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:15 AM To: 'rcurry@ttlc.net'; bob@downandacross.com Cc: Listserv Rodmakers Subject: RE: Books Hey Reed, Holy Cow! I think I bought mine for $50.00US directly from Marty back in my Nebraska days. Cheers from the almost Arctic, Alberta Al -----Original Message----- From: Reed Curry [mailto:rcurry@ttlc.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:15 PM To: bob@downandacross.com Cc: Listserv Rodmakers Subject: Re: Books Bob, A used book dealer at the Marlborough show told me that Marty was re-issuing the book. But I guess that rumor goes around every so often. She had a copy for $275. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Bob Maulucci wrote: > Chris and list: > I too just picked up a few books. Reed had mentioned how nice "Land of > Little Rivers" was. It has great pics of the Catskill makers rods. The other > book was the 2 volume "Trout" by Schweibert. I have to say, I think that is > the best resource I have read yet. I like Keane and Campbell, but "Trout" is > truly special. Very informative regarding the rodmakers and models. > Does anyone know Mr Keane to ask whether his book will ever be re-issued? I > have taken it out of the library several times. I am getting tempted to make > some copies! (But, I would never do that...realy). > Best regards, Bob >From tedknott@cogeco.ca Mon Jan 28 11:56:53 2002 Received: from fep8.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SHurW00737 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:56:53 - 0600 (CST) Received: from teekay35 (d141-167-147.home.cgocable.net [24.141.167.147]) by fep8.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0771654CD; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:56:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002601c1a824$e6cd7c80$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Ted" To: , References: <20020128161456.68143.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:54:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: tedknott@cogeco.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I used to own a Leonard 9' 0", #4 line rod. It was an early Leonard with close intermediates its full length. A collector told me it was a Tournament model. The rod had a slow full flexing action and would easily cast a #4 line anywhere from 20' to 60' with ease. If you think you would like this I'll dig around in my records for the specs. >From aport@si.rr.com Mon Jan 28 12:27:15 2002 Received: from si.rr.com (nycsmtp2fb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.78]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SIREW02502 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:27:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from den ([24.90.8.22]) by si.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: <011f01c1a828$ffef0fe0$9600a8c0@si.rr.com> From: "arthur port" To: References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> <3C542649.1070108@ttlc.net> <00d501c1a79a$e76f0760$47646c0c@billharm> <3C54B8E2.1080902@ttlc.net> <001401c1a801$02ae5e20$c3646c0c@billharm> Subject: Questions (O/T) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:24:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Reply-To: aport@si.rr.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All, Are there any of us in the N'awlins area who might have a suggestion of some nice places to see? I'm going to be there for the next week and thought SOMEbody might have something for a "good" Yankee (Noo Yawkah who spends money, goes home ;^) ) to see or do. Thanks, Art >From alspicer99@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 12:32:19 2002 Received: from web11005.mail.yahoo.com (web11005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.55]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0SIWIW02897 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:32:18 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020128183217.99956.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.76.37] by web11005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:32:17 PST Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:32:17 -0800 (PST) From: al spicer Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper To: tedknott@cogeco.ca, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: <002601c1a824$e6cd7c80$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: alspicer99@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ted, It would be nice to have the specifications for comparison but, I don't want to cause you any trouble. Thanks, Al --- Ted wrote: > I used to own a Leonard 9' 0", #4 line rod. It was > an early Leonard with > close intermediates its full length. A collector > told me it was a > Tournament model. The rod had a slow full flexing > action and would easily > cast a #4 line anywhere from 20' to 60' with ease. > If you think you would > like this I'll dig around in my records for the > specs. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From canazon@mindspring.com Mon Jan 28 13:04:24 2002 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SJ4NW04571 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:04:23 - 0600 (CST) Received: from sdn-ar-003nypougp004.dialsprint.net ([63.178.225.12] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VH3e-0002AJ-00; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:03:11 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c1a835$f9101b80$0ce1b23f@oemcomputer> From: "mike canazon" To: , , References: <20020128183217.99956.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:57:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: canazon@mindspring.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ted i'd like to see the taper also. mike >From Grhghlndr@aol.com Mon Jan 28 13:14:04 2002 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SJCTW05265 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:12:42 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Grhghlndr@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id d.11f.ac6deba (24898); Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:12:05 -0500 (EST) From: Grhghlndr@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.ac6deba.2986fc81@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:12:01 EST Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper To: canazon@mindspring.com, alspicer99@yahoo.com, tedknott@cogeco.ca, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11f.ac6deba.2986fc81_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: Grhghlndr@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_11f.ac6deba.2986fc81_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I posted a nice 9' 3 piece Heddon BB on here a while back that was for a 5 wght. Should be in the archives. Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --part1_11f.ac6deba.2986fc81_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I posted a nice 9' 3 piece Heddon BB on here a while back that was for a 5 wght.  Should be in the archives.
Bret

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 --part1_11f.ac6deba.2986fc81_boundary-- >From canazon@mindspring.com Mon Jan 28 13:16:53 2002 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SJGrW05698 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:16:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from sdn-ar-003nypougp004.dialsprint.net ([63.178.225.12] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VHGl-0002Hu-00; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:16:43 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c1a837$dce753e0$0ce1b23f@oemcomputer> From: "mike canazon" To: , "timothy troester" , References: <20020128020338.23494.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> <002101c1a802$8ab05f20$c3646c0c@billharm> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:10:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: canazon@mindspring.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN thanks to all who give their input on reelseats. i have believed, as some have said, balance is foremost in how heavy a rod feels. but then weight must also determine where the rod balances in each rod (maybe that's why the oldtimers tweaked each rod patrick). on my 2 oz. rod i taped the reelseat on and added a few different reels to see where they balanced. all were well down into the grip. a line and reel weighing 4 oz. came closest to balancing out near the end of the grip although it was still a little more than two inches into the grip. i took them off and slipped 4 pieces of cork on the butt and taped the reelseat to them. it moved the balance point up about 3/4" or one and a half inches from the end of the grip. it felt comfortable in my hand. which brings me to the next question. i have always thought a rod should balance in front of the grip. if what bill harms says is true, and i hope i follow him correctly, then the rod can balance down in the hand, where it felt quite comfortable to me. the reason i ask all this is because i am making a rod for my partner who doesn't fish quite as much as me and gets very arm weary. except when she spends about 10 hours hauling 18" fish out of the frying pan! hey bill, it would appear that standing in 40 degree water at about 9,000 feet that's shoots the hell out of the application of quantum mechanics and most of the physical laws of the universe. :o) professir mike >From lblan@provide.net Mon Jan 28 14:23:05 2002 Received: from provide.net (mail.provide.net [216.86.64.42]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SKN5W09931 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:23:05 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [199.178.212.2] (account ) by provide.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5b5) with HTTP id 10507321 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:23:05 -0500 From: Subject: Re: whreel seats To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5b5 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:23:05 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01c1a837$dce753e0$0ce1b23f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: lblan@provide.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Wow... you didn't tell us that part. Now we will have to begin the discussion all over again! Larry Blan On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:10:40 -0600 "mike canazon" wrote: <> > hey bill, it would appear that standing in 40 degree > water at about 9,000 > feet that's shoots the hell out of the application of > quantum mechanics and > most of the physical laws of the universe. :o) > professir mike >From harms1@pa.net Mon Jan 28 14:51:19 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SKpIW13205 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:51:18 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp170.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.170]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B69F94CAC5; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:47:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001c01c1a83d$2d643d60$aa646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: "mike canazon" Cc: References: <20020128020338.23494.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> <002101c1a802$8ab05f20$c3646c0c@billharm> <003d01c1a837$dce753e0$0ce1b23f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:48:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hey Mike, Yep, no law of physics is going to make me stand for very long in water like that, and I don't give a shit WHAT rod you give me! But this business of trying to "balance" a rod by measuring the location of a static balance point is exactly what I have been trying to discourage. It is useless and meaningless to think in these terms. I have no idea, and neither does anyone else, where rods "should" balance, because this kind of balance is relevant only when you're standing around or carrying the rod. This is not an idle consideration, but if it is one's main concern, then my advice would be simply to hang ANY reel off the butt that allows the rod to balance in the palm of your hand, and there's an end to THAT issue. But with many rods (especially those under seven-and-a-half feet, for five-weight lines or less), this kind of "balance" often has nothing to do with what works best for casting. When casting, the issue of balance becomes a whole different matter because now the entire rig (including your wrist, arm and shoulder) is set into motion. Now the length of the rod, the strength and configuration of its taper, the weight of the line in the air, and the energy you impart to the cast enter into the formula. So, what should "balance" mean now? This is a can of worms, at best, and the rod that balanced nicely across your finger when you were just standing around is now alive to all the dynamic forces of physics that are acting upon it. Something we might call "feel" is important, but this isn't at all the same thing that "balance" meant just a moment ago. "Feel" is how the caster senses the interplay between the physical forces acting upon the rod and what the rod itself is doing in response--and that's a pretty elusive game to describe. You simply can't predict how a rod will feel when you cast it by locating its static balance point. So, except for rods of seven-and-a-half feet and more, or for rods of greater than 6 weight lines, I would insist that the lighter the reel, the better the rod will be able to do its own work. More weight means more deadening interference from the excess hanging off the butt. Who knows where a rod should balance up or down the grip or lower shaft?! The heavier the rod, the more the issue of its static balance-point enters in to your carrying and handling comfort, and, proportionately, the less the weight of a reel will detract from the rod's action. (In a very heavy rod, a heavier than necessary reel may actually contribute.) Conversely, the lighter the rod, the lighter the reel should be (in order not to kill the action of the rod), and the less noticeable the static balance-point becomes. In a very light rig, this point may shift quite far down the shaft without becoming objectionable--until one reaches a certain point. But what is that point? Again, who knows? A rod of eight feet or more with a static balance point four inches down the shaft will piss you off long before a rod of six feet with its balance point located a foot ahead of the grip. You may want to "counterbalance" that heavier rod for greater ease of handling, and also because you know that, in a more powerful rod, a little more weight in the butt won't detract significantly from its casting ability. But try that with the lighter or shorter rod, and you will soon pay a heavy price in the rod's ability to perform. These are all necessarily trade-offs, and every rod (just as every caster) has their own needs and tolerances. So, my only point here is to try to get folks away from this business of believing that fly rods "ought" to balance here, there, or somewhere else along their length. There are simply too many considerations to justify this kind of simplistic and formulaic thinking. It's like asking "what kind of rod should I build," or "what's the best line to use," or "how much should a rod weigh?" Who knows?! The only thing worse than trying to answer questions like these with single explanations would be to undertake serious rodmaking as if these questions didn't matter. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike canazon" To: ; "timothy troester" ; Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: Re: whreel seats > thanks to all who give their input on reelseats. > i have believed, as some have said, balance is foremost in how heavy a > rod feels. but then weight must also determine where the rod balances in > each rod (maybe that's why the oldtimers tweaked each rod patrick). > on my 2 oz. rod i taped the reelseat on and added a few different reels > to see where they balanced. all were well down into the grip. a line and > reel weighing 4 oz. came closest to balancing out near the end of the grip > although it was still a little more than two inches into the grip. > i took them off and slipped 4 pieces of cork on the butt and taped the > reelseat to them. it moved the balance point up about 3/4" or one and a > half inches from the end of the grip. it felt comfortable in my hand. which > brings me to the next question. > i have always thought a rod should balance in front of the grip. if what > bill harms says is true, and i hope i follow him correctly, then the rod can > balance down in the hand, where it felt quite comfortable to me. > the reason i ask all this is because i am making a rod for my partner > who doesn't fish quite as much as me and gets very arm weary. > except when she spends about 10 hours hauling 18" fish out of the frying > pan! > hey bill, it would appear that standing in 40 degree water at about 9,000 > feet that's shoots the hell out of the application of quantum mechanics and > most of the physical laws of the universe. :o) > professir mike > > > >From aport@si.rr.com Mon Jan 28 16:33:11 2002 Received: from si.rr.com (nycsmtp2fb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.78]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SMXAW21161 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:33:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from den ([24.90.8.22]) by si.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:33:08 -0500 Message-ID: <015301c1a84b$5d32abe0$9600a8c0@si.rr.com> From: "arthur port" To: References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> <3C542649.1070108@ttlc.net> <00d501c1a79a$e76f0760$47646c0c@billharm> <3C54B8E2.1080902@ttlc.net> <001401c1a801$02ae5e20$c3646c0c@billharm> <011f01c1a828$ffef0fe0$9600a8c0@si.rr.com> Subject: Re: Questions (O/T) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:30:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Reply-To: aport@si.rr.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks all! I've printed out all your suggestions ( and will print out the rest that come in) so that I'll have them with me for any free time that pops up unstructured! Thanks again, Art >From ldboyko@cpinternet.com Mon Jan 28 17:20:16 2002 Received: from seagull.cpinternet.com (mail.cpinternet.com [209.240.224.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0SNKFW23260 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:20:15 - 0600 (CST) Received: from ldboyko (cp5300-1-71.cpinternet.com [209.240.244.71]) by seagull.cpinternet.com (8.12.0/8.12.0) with SMTP id g0SNGANm005420 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:16:11 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000801c1a865$45cfe3e0$47f4f0d1@ldboyko> From: "lew boyko" To: "Rodmakers" Subject: Payne 96 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:35:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A822.351668A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: ldboyko@cpinternet.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A822.351668A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looked for information on the Payne 96, but not in the archives, = where do I find it. Lew ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A822.351668A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Looked for = information on the=20 Payne 96, but not in  the archives, where do I find it.=20 Lew
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A822.351668A0-- >From drinkr@voicenet.com Mon Jan 28 17:49:55 2002 Received: from mail09.voicenet.com (mail09.voicenet.com [207.103.0.35]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0SNmiW24309 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:48:49 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 27630 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 23:21:46 -0000 Received: from dialpool17162.dialpool17.voicenet.com (HELO David) (209.71.57.162) by mail09.voicenet.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 23:21:46 -0000 From: "David Rinker" To: "Rodmakers" Subject: slight diversion hydraulic presses Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:21:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Reply-To: drinkr@voicenet.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I've been working with an inexpensive 12 ton hydraulic press to form snake guide feet and reel seats. I was wondering if anyone knows of a way of attaching some kind of pressure gauge to the bottle press to get accurate readings of pressure applied? I attached a dial gauge to the press to give a reading of distance but I pressure gauge would be better. Thanks in advance David Rinker >From tedknott@cogeco.ca Mon Jan 28 18:04:23 2002 Received: from fep4.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T03SW24575 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:04:22 - 0600 (CST) Received: from teekay35 (d141-167-147.home.cgocable.net [24.141.167.147]) by fep4.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C74F33C7; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:31:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001c01c1a853$b386ea80$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Ted" To: , "Rodmakers" References: <000801c1a865$45cfe3e0$47f4f0d1@ldboyko> Subject: Re: Payne 96 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:29:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1A829.CA8F50C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: tedknott@cogeco.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1A829.CA8F50C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Somebody posted the one I made to the list last fall, so it should be in = the archives. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1A829.CA8F50C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Somebody posted the one I made to the = list last=20 fall, so it should be in the archives.
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1A829.CA8F50C0-- >From Callum.Ross@macquarie.com Mon Jan 28 18:15:38 2002 Received: from mblmail1.macquarie.com.au ([203.185.215.150]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T0EaW25155 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:15:26 - 0600 (CST) Received: from isdserv3.macbank ([203.28.95.252]) by mblmail1.macquarie.com.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T06FV22378 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:06:15 +1100 (EST) Received: from NT_SYD_MS02.macbank (nt_syd_ms02 [10.124.15.166]) by isdserv3.macbank (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0T0Ds723727 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:13:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from NT_SYD_EX10.macbank (unverified) by NT_SYD_MS02.macbank (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:13:31 +1100 Received: by nt_syd_ex10.macbank with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:13:31 +1100 Message-ID: <55897E5CB117D21192AB0008C728AD120765246E@nt_syd_ex05.macbank> From: Callum Ross To: "'ldboyko@cpinternet.com'" , Rodmakers Subject: RE: Payne 96 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:13:29 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- _=_NextPart_001_01C1A859.C7298FB0" Reply-To: Callum.Ross@macquarie.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A859.C7298FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I found this in the archives. Date: Sat Nov 24 13:09:00 2001 From: "Marty D. aka \"none" Subject: Payne #96 6 1/2' 2/2 #4 Taper Hi list, I just miked a friends Payne #96 6 1/2' 2pc. 4wt. WOW! Very accurate flat to flat dimensions. Nice rod with a fast DF action. Here are the dimensions. Varnish already deducted. Best, Marty Tip Butt 00 .066" .161" 05 .075 .171 10 .092 .181 15 .104 .205 20 .120 .223 25 .131 .239 30 .140 .263 start of grip 35 .153 .263 39 .157 .263 Guide spacing from tip top and tip of female ferrule 5 1/2" 3" 11 3/4" 12" (stripper) 18 1/2" 25 5/8" -----Original Message----- From: lew boyko [mailto:ldboyko@cpinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 12:36 PM To: Rodmakers Subject: Payne 96 Looked for information on the Payne 96, but not in the archives, where do I find it. Lew NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A859.C7298FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 found this in the archives.
 
Date: Sat Nov 24 13:09:00 2001
From: "Marty D. aka \"none"
Subject: Payne #96 6 1/2' 2/2 #4 Taper
Hi list, I just miked a friends Payne #96 6 1/2' 2pc. 4wt.= WOW! Very accurate flat to flat dimensions. Nice rod with a fast DF action. Here are the dimensions. Varnish already deducted. Best, Marty Tip Butt 00 .066" .161" 05 .075 .171 10 .092 .181 15 .104 .205 20 .120 .223 25 .131 .239 30 .140 .263 start of grip 35 .153 .263 39 .157 .263 Guide spacing from tip top and tip of female ferrule 5 1/2" 3" 11 3/4" 12" (stripper) 18 1/2" 25 5/8" -----Original Message-----
From: lew boyko [mailto:ldboyko@cpinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesda= y, 29 January 2002 12:36 PM
To: Rodmakers
Subject: Payn= e 96

    Looked for informatio= n on the=20 Payne 96, but not in  the archives, where do I find it.=20 Lew


NOTICE
This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyright = material of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intended re= cipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act= in reliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copi= es of them. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails o= r any attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own = and may not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A859.C7298FB0-- >From Fallcreek9@aol.com Mon Jan 28 18:32:57 2002 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T0WuW25757 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:32:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from Fallcreek9@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id d.10f.b44e440 (4012); Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:32:42 -0500 (EST) From: Fallcreek9@aol.com Message-ID: <10f.b44e440.298747a9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:32:41 EST Subject: Re: whreel seats To: canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10f.b44e440.298747a9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Reply-To: Fallcreek9@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_10f.b44e440.298747a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 1:32:37 PM Central Standard Time, canazon@mindspring.com writes: > who doesn't fish quite as much as me and gets very arm weary. > except when she spends about 10 hours hauling 18" fish out of the frying > pan! > man, if you have a partner like that, and there are 18" to haul, you aughta be teachin us. Enjoy. On the subject of your quest, I like the balance point to be a bit ahead of the cork grip. May be silly, but it seems that I get more feel for what is going on during a cast. Best regards, RTyree --part1_10f.b44e440.298747a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 1:32:37 PM Central Standard Time, canazon@mindspring.com writes:


who doesn't fish quite as much as me and gets very arm weary.
except when she spends about 10 hours hauling 18" fish out of the frying
pan!
  


man, if you have a partner like that, and there are 18" to haul, you aughta be teachin us.  Enjoy.

On the subject of your quest, I like the balance point to be a bit ahead of the cork grip.  May be silly, but it seems that I get more feel for what is going on during a cast.

Best regards,
RTyree --part1_10f.b44e440.298747a9_boundary-- >From tedknott@cogeco.ca Mon Jan 28 18:33:41 2002 Received: from fep1.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T0XfW25850 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:33:41 - 0600 (CST) Received: from teekay35 (d141-167-147.home.cgocable.net [24.141.167.147]) by fep1.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CB33F481D; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:33:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01c1a85c$4cd6fce0$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Ted" To: , , "Rodmakers" References: <55897E5CB117D21192AB0008C728AD120765246E@nt_syd_ex05.macbank> Subject: Re: Payne 96 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:31:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A832.63CE9A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: tedknott@cogeco.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A832.63CE9A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the Payne 96 that I just finished and it has a delightful = action. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A832.63CE9A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is the Payne 96 that I just = finished and it=20 has a delightful action.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A832.63CE9A40-- >From Bamboomaker@aol.com Mon Jan 28 18:35:27 2002 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T0ZRW26117 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:35:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from Bamboomaker@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id g.10.19065c94 (3310) for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:35:09 -0500 (EST) From: Bamboomaker@aol.com Message-ID: <10.19065c94.2987483d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:35:09 EST Subject: Interesting notes & questions on Winston/brackett video To: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Reply-To: Bamboomaker@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Friends, I was reviewing a few of the last emails and came across that Winston/brackett video clip on western flyfisher link. Thanks for the link. This was that link again - it's worth the viewing: http://www.westernflyfisher.com/index.asp?i=0101p4v11&t=1 My 3 questions are the following: Does anyone have a node spacing chart like the one shown using the raw cane to overlay the template? Interesting concept to have a chart as I've been doing it manually for each rod that I build. I really liked the bladed plug splitting tool. It seems somewhat different from the other splitting tool talked about on the list server last year or so (?Hida). I guess I couldn't use one now since I have 3+ bales with drying splits in them, but has anyone made or bought one of these? Last query - does anyone have a set of plans to make a similar machine demonstrated at the end of the video to put in a hollow flute in splines. It seemed to work quite smoothly on the video. Thanks in advance for the discussion/advice. Mark Mark C. Lee, M.D. Rochester, MN >From bob@downandacross.com Mon Jan 28 18:49:55 2002 Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T0nsW26849 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:49:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from dax ([24.49.107.165]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQOCXE00.3EQ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:48:50 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bob Maulucci" To: , Subject: RE: Interesting notes & questions on Winston/brackett video Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:48:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <10.19065c94.2987483d@aol.com> Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Mark: There is a hollow fluting set up in the Bob Milward book. I will send you (and anyone else) a pic of it. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Last query - does anyone have a set of plans to make a similar machine demonstrated at the end of the video to put in a hollow flute in splines. It seemed to work quite smoothly on the video. >From lblan@provide.net Mon Jan 28 18:59:47 2002 Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T0xlW27284 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:59:47 - 0600 (CST) Received: from amd850 (usr31-172.provide.net [216.86.81.172]) by dns1.provide.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0T0xdV15432; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:59:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Filter: check_local@dns1.provide.net by digitalanswers.org From: "Larry Blan" To: , "Rodmakers" Subject: RE: Payne 96 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1A837.57A84E00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c1a865$45cfe3e0$47f4f0d1@ldboyko> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Reply-To: lblan@provide.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1A837.57A84E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do a search for Payne 96 and Payne #96, it will turn up. If you still can't find them (more than one post), let me know and I'll dig them out. Larry Blan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of lew boyko Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:36 PM To: Rodmakers Subject: Payne 96 Looked for information on the Payne 96, but not in the archives, where do I find it. Lew ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1A837.57A84E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do a=20 search for Payne 96 and Payne #96, it will turn up. If you still can't = find them=20 (more than one post), let me know and I'll dig them = out.

Larry Blan

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu=20 [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of lew=20 boyko
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:36 PM
To:=20 Rodmakers
Subject: Payne 96

    Looked for = information on the=20 Payne 96, but not in  the archives, where do I find it.=20 Lew
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1A837.57A84E00-- >From TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Jan 28 19:52:26 2002 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T1qQW28621 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:52:26 - 0600 (CST) Received: from TSmithwick@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id g.178.2d00ebd (4000); Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:52:03 -0500 (EST) From: TSmithwick@aol.com Message-ID: <178.2d00ebd.29875a4e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:52:14 EST Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper To: alspicer99@yahoo.com, tedknott@cogeco.ca, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 55 Reply-To: TSmithwick@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Al - At the risk of incurring The Wrath of Curry, the reason you can't find a light line 9 foot taper is that there aren't very many. The problem is that it takes so much cane to support the length and still produce the medium to fast actions which most people prefer, that the weight of a 3-4 weight is not all that much different than a 6-7 weight. It's a little like sleeving an elephant gun to shoot 22 LR, and hauling the thing around to pop squirrels. There are two basic solutions: 1. Read Reed's page, become convinced that slow is the way to go, and build a rod accordingly. I suspect that the 9 foot 3 weight you found is the taper to a rod that I traded to Reed some time ago. It's very nice, but only if you agree with Reed. 2. Hollow build. Use hexrod to convert a successful 5-6 weight taper and have at it. >From tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 20:01:02 2002 Received: from web11203.mail.yahoo.com (web11203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.185]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0T211W29101 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:01:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020129020100.84895.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.255.51] by web11203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:01:00 PST Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:01:00 -0800 (PST) From: timothy troester Subject: two payne#96 tapers To: "rod 'akers" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > > Tip Butt > > 00 .066" .161" > > 05 .075 .171 > > 10 .092 .181 > > 15 .104 .205 > > 20 .120 .223 > > 25 .131 .239 > > 30 .140 .263 start of grip > > 35 .153 .263 > > 39 .157 .263 > > > > Guide spacing from tip top and tip of female ferrule > > 5 1/2" 3" > > 11 3/4" 12" (stripper) > > 18 1/2" > > 25 5/8" > > 33 1/4" Jim Payne 96 1950's 6'6" 2 pc. 4 wt. 10/64 Ferrule (I'd use an 11/64th. Did these things have step ferrules?) Grip: 5" Cigar Reel seat: 4", All cork Original Guide Spacing 0" 0.057 3 7/8" 5" 0.074 7 1/2" 10" 0.091 11 1/2" 15" 0.106 18 1/2" 20" 0.119 25 3/4" 25" 0.135 33 1/4" 30" 0.148 45" 35" 0.160 40" 0.168 45" 0.178 50" 0.196 55" 0.214 60" 0.232 65" 0.252 70" 0.294 75" 0.294 78" 0.294 ===== "Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, - "If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From tedknott@cogeco.ca Mon Jan 28 21:20:07 2002 Received: from fep7.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T3K6W06262 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:20:06 - 0600 (CST) Received: from teekay35 (d141-167-147.home.cgocable.net [24.141.167.147]) by fep7.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DC0B32B2 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:20:06 - 0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003501c1a873$97ed47e0$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Ted" To: "rodmakers" Subject: Leonard 9' 0", #4 Rod Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:18:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: tedknott@cogeco.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In response to several requests for this taper I am listing the specs here. I recorded these measurements in the 70's, before Garrison popularized 5 " centres, hence these are taken at 6" centres. Measurements are over varnish, so subtract .004"-.005". The rod is a very full flexing, slow action, and works best when you relax and wait for it to work. 0" .062" stripper guide from butt 24" 6" .078" next guide 33 1/2" 12" .104" 42 5/8" 18" .115" 49 7/8" 24" .132" 56 7/8" 30" .145" 63 1/2" 34" .160" back of ferrule 70" 38" .165" back of ferrule 77 5/8" 42" .182" 83 1/4" 48" .198" 88 5/8" 54" .212" 94" 60" .230" 99" 66" .245" 103 1/4" 70" .250" back of ferrule 74" .250" back of ferrule 78" .253" 84" .270" 90" .290" 96" .300" 98" .305" beginning of steep taper 100" .380" beginning of grip >From rcurry@ttlc.net Mon Jan 28 21:32:34 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T3WXW06831 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:32:33 - 0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [208.130.15.63] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A79B5125005C; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:31:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3C561880.9060708@ttlc.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:35:28 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TSmithwick@aol.com CC: alspicer99@yahoo.com, tedknott@cogeco.ca, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper References: <178.2d00ebd.29875a4e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ah, the Wrath of Curry...I had that once with some very hot Beef Korma. You really don't want to stray too far from porcelain. Now Tom, that rod you traded me, which is still one of my favorites, is a medium action 3wt.. Even Carlos Santos liked it, and you know how he usually feels about any rod longer than 6'. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: > Al - At the risk of incurring The Wrath of Curry, the reason you can't find a > light line 9 foot taper is that there aren't very many. The problem is that > it takes so much cane to support the length and still produce the medium to > fast actions which most people prefer, that the weight of a 3-4 weight is not > all that much different than a 6-7 weight. It's a little like sleeving an > elephant gun to shoot 22 LR, and hauling the thing around to pop squirrels. > There are two basic solutions: > >From fquinchat@locl.net Mon Jan 28 22:09:43 2002 Received: from mail.locl.net (root@lightning.locl.net [63.149.55.2]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T49hW07756 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:09:43 - 0600 (CST) Received: from oemcomputer (an333.locl.net [63.144.71.43]) by mail.locl.net (8.11.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id g0T49No18956; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:09:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <033201c1a87d$9b5b12e0$9947903f@oemcomputer> From: "Dennis Bertram" To: , Cc: , , Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:29:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: fquinchat@locl.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This 9' 3wt taper is one of my favorites. I built it with a swelled butt and love to use it to fish soft hackles on the Manistee. It is rather slow and I can relight my cigar during the back cast. Dennis Bertram -----Original Message----- From: Reed Curry To: TSmithwick@aol.com Cc: alspicer99@yahoo.com ; tedknott@cogeco.ca ; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper >Ah, the Wrath of Curry...I had that once with some very hot Beef Korma. >You really don't want to stray too far from porcelain. > >Now Tom, that rod you traded me, which is still one of my favorites, is >a medium action 3wt.. Even Carlos Santos liked it, and you know how he >usually feels about any rod longer than 6'. > >Best regards, >Reed >http://www.overmywaders.com/ > >TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: > >> Al - At the risk of incurring The Wrath of Curry, the reason you can't find a >> light line 9 foot taper is that there aren't very many. The problem is that >> it takes so much cane to support the length and still produce the medium to >> fast actions which most people prefer, that the weight of a 3-4 weight is not >> all that much different than a 6-7 weight. It's a little like sleeving an >> elephant gun to shoot 22 LR, and hauling the thing around to pop squirrels. >> There are two basic solutions: >> > > >From ajthramer@hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 01:21:54 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f142.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.142]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0T7LrW13012 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:21:53 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:21:48 -0800 Received: from 12.33.21.41 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:21:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.33.21.41] From: "Allen Thramer" To: tedknott@cogeco.ca, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Leonard 9' 0", #4 Rod Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:21:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 07:21:48.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D4DA730:01C1A895] Reply-To: ajthramer@hotmail.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have the same rod and it feels better with a 5 wt to me. A.J. >From: "Ted" >Reply-To: tedknott@cogeco.ca >To: "rodmakers" >Subject: Leonard 9' 0", #4 Rod >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:18:16 -0500 > >In response to several requests for this taper I am listing the specs here. >I recorded these measurements in the 70's, before Garrison popularized 5 " >centres, hence these are taken at 6" centres. Measurements are over >varnish, so subtract .004"-.005". The rod is a very full flexing, slow >action, and works best when you relax and wait for it to work. > >0" .062" stripper guide from butt 24" >6" .078" next guide 33 1/2" >12" .104" 42 5/8" >18" .115" 49 7/8" >24" .132" 56 7/8" >30" .145" 63 1/2" >34" .160" back of ferrule 70" >38" .165" back of ferrule 77 5/8" >42" .182" 83 1/4" >48" .198" 88 5/8" >54" .212" 94" >60" .230" 99" >66" .245" 103 >1/4" >70" .250" back of ferrule >74" .250" back of ferrule >78" .253" >84" .270" >90" .290" >96" .300" >98" .305" beginning of steep taper >100" .380" beginning of grip > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Jan 29 07:58:54 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TDwrW17156 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:58:53 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip210.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.210]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0TDxio214960 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:59:45 - 0800 Message-ID: <3C56AA8F.781AFB07@3g.quik.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:58:40 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rodmakers Subject: Heddon sizes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Friends, Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size 12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know approximately what size rod this is? My guess is that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. All input appreciated, Harry -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From ttalsma@macatawa.org Tue Jan 29 08:10:37 2002 Received: from sligh_nt.sligh.com ([208.163.7.219]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TEAbW17761 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:10:37 - 0600 (CST) Received: by mail with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:02:35 -0500 Received: from macatawa.org (TODDT [192.1.1.173]) by sligh_nt.sligh.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id D56AL0ZA; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:02:31 -0500 From: Todd Talsma To: Rodmakers List Message-ID: <3C56AC4F.20D74397@macatawa.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:06:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tips Site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ttalsma@macatawa.org Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All, I've updated the tips site. I had to rearrange some pages, so if you find a dead link, let me know. Thanks a lot. -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: mailto://ttalsma@macatawa.org web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction >From JNL123141@msn.com Tue Jan 29 09:54:25 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe127.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.120]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TFsOW23639 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:54:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:54:19 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.192.65.199] From: "John Long" To: "Harry Boyd" , "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: Heddon sizes Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:52:41 -0500 MIME- Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A8B3.1340A2E0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 15:54:19.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[35FD3530:01C1A8DD] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------ =_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A8B3.1340A2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harry, What does the tip mic at? I have a Summers rod that the tip is .090 and = is for a 8-9 wt. =20 John =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Boyd Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:06 AM To: Rodmakers Subject: Heddon sizes =20 Friends, Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size 12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know approximately what size rod this is? My guess is that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. All input appreciated, Harry -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A8B3.1340A2E0 Content- Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted- printable
Harry,
<= DIV>What does the tip mic at?  I have a Summers rod that the tip is = .090 and is for a 8-9 wt. 
 
John <= /DIV>
 
----- Original Message -----
F= rom: Harry Boyd
Sent: Tu= esday, January 29, 2002 9:06 AM
= To: Rodmakers
Subject: H= eddon sizes
 
Friends,

    Qui= ck question...  I've got a 9' Heddon #35,
older style, which has = size 19 butt-mid and size
12 mid-tip ferrules.  Might anyone know=
approximately what size rod this is?  My guess is
that it's a= 7/8 weight, or thereabouts.

    All input apprecia= ted,
    Harry

--

   --   H= arry Boyd --
http://www.canerods.com/  -- Bamboo Rods --
http:= //www.fbcwin.com/  -- Our Church  --

------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A8B3.1340A2E0-- >From JNL123141@msn.com Tue Jan 29 09:57:23 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe52.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.132]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TFvMW23940 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:57:22 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:57:16 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.192.65.199] From: "John Long" To: "Reed Curry" , "Smithwick" Cc: , "Ted" , "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:55:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0001_01C1A8B3.7E0BCF00" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 15:57:16.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FFF1DE0:01C1A8DD] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1A8B3.7E0BCF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Reed Curry Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:52 AM To: TSmithwick@aol.com Cc: alspicer99@yahoo.com; tedknott@cogeco.ca; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper =20 Ah, the Wrath of Curry...I had that once with some very hot Beef Korma. You really don't want to stray too far from porcelain. Now Tom, that rod you traded me, which is still one of my favorites, is a medium action 3wt.. Even Carlos Santos liked it, and you know how he usually feels about any rod longer than 6'. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: > Al - At the risk of incurring The Wrath of Curry, the reason you can't = find a > light line 9 foot taper is that there aren't very many. The problem is = that > it takes so much cane to support the length and still produce the mediu= m to > fast actions which most people prefer, that the weight of a 3-4 weight = is not > all that much different than a 6-7 weight. It's a little like sleeving= an > elephant gun to shoot 22 LR, and hauling the thing around to pop squirr= els. > There are two basic solutions: > ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1A8B3.7E0BCF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
<= DIV> 
=
----- Original Message -----
From: Reed Curry
Sent: Tuesday, = January 29, 2002 12:52 AM
To: TSmithwick@aol.com
Cc: als= picer99@yahoo.com; tedknott@cogeco.ca; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu
<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece= 4 wt taper
 
Ah, the Wrath of Curry...I had that on= ce with some very hot Beef Korma.
You really don't want to stray too f= ar from porcelain.

Now Tom, that rod you traded me, which is still= one of my favorites, is
a medium action 3wt.. Even Carlos Santos like= d it, and you know how he
usually feels about any rod longer than 6'.<= BR>
Best regards,
Reed
http://www.overmywaders.com/

TSmit= hwick@aol.com wrote:

> Al - At the risk of incurring The Wrath = of Curry, the reason you can't find a
> light line 9 foot taper is = that there aren't very many. The problem is that
> it takes so much= cane to support the length and still produce the medium to
> fast = actions which most people prefer, that the weight of a 3-4 weight is not<= BR>> all that much different than a 6-7 weight.  It's a little li= ke sleeving an
> elephant gun to shoot 22 LR, and hauling the thing= around to pop squirrels.
> There are two basic solutions:
><= BR>

------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1A8B3.7E0BCF00-- >From JNL123141@msn.com Tue Jan 29 10:01:32 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe83.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.225]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TG1VW24338 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:01:31 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:01:25 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.192.65.199] From: "John Long" To: "Reed Curry" , "Smithwick" Cc: , "Ted" , "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:59:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A8B4.12C710A0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 16:01:25.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[34751920:01C1A8DE] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A8B4.12C710A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reed, That is a very tall order. Wish I could help you but if you find one, or= design one, I would sure as heck hollow the daylights out of it-even par= t of the tip. Good luck! John =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A8B4.12C710A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Reed,
That is a very tall order.  Wish I could help you but if yo= u find one, or design one, I would sure as heck hollow the daylights= out of it-even part of the tip.  Good luck!
 
=
John 
 

 
------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A8B4.12C710A0-- >From cathcreek@hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 10:50:32 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f218.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.218]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TGoWW27219 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:50:32 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:50:23 -0800 Received: from 140.211.60.66 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:50:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [140.211.60.66] Reply-To: cathcreek@hotmail.com From: "Robert Clarke" To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Heddon sizes Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:50:22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 16:50:23.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B353CA0:01C1A8E5] Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Harry, I have a #35 HGH Peerless. I think it is a nine footer or close. It is a mean 6 weight. Rob >From: Harry Boyd >Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com >To: Rodmakers >Subject: Heddon sizes >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:58:40 -0600 > >Friends, > > Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, >older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size >12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know >approximately what size rod this is? My guess is >that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. > > All input appreciated, > Harry > >-- > > -- Harry Boyd -- >http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- >http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Tue Jan 29 10:53:42 2002 Received: from badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.20]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TGrfW27568 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:53:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.49] helo=scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VNnB-0000z2-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:14:37 -0800 Received: from pool0954.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.149.189] helo=computer) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VNmh-0006W2-00; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:14:08 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c1a86a$a1817460$bd95b3d1@computer> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: , , Cc: , , References: <007c01c1a6e0$848246e0$552ee43f@computer> <3C542649.1070108@ttlc.net> <00d501c1a79a$e76f0760$47646c0c@billharm> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:14:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bill, I glad you said it. Because I have so many times before. You notice that those Garrison stress graphs have no reference for reel weight it it obviously has a lot of effect on the rod. Give me a CFO, Featherwieght or flywieght or even my Ballan. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: ; Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Re: whreel seats > Reed, > > Again, weight is weight. And even though it may > located (or added, as you say) at the "fulcrum point," we should not be > deceived into thinking that this weight doesn't really count. All weight > counts, and anything beyond the minimum needs of a rod to do its business > will detract from the potential of that rod to perform. We all make > concessions according to our tastes, but that is a different matter from > saying that a little more weight doesn't count. > > Granted, an eighth of an ounce out toward the tip will detract a great deal > more than a half-ounce in a reel seat or grip. But my point would be that > we need to realize that this business of "balancing" a rod is completly > irrelevant (a bogus concept, foisted on the public through marketing lingo). > > Neither can the concept of balance be equated with that of a fulcrum under > casting conditions. > A rod has a fulcrum or balance point only at that moment when the rod is > held statically in one's hand. But that counts for nothing. Fly rods are > meant to be cast, and when casting there is NO fixed fulcrum, and certainly > not a "balance point." The motion of our arm transforms the rod into a > moving "lever" at the butt-end, while the line transforms the tip of the rod > into a different kind of a lever at its other end. > > The leverage (fulcrum) that originates in our shoulder and upper arm is > gradually and then quickly transmitted down through the wrist and fingers. > This leverage then moves outward, down the length of the rod as would a > spring, and as this spring uncoils, the "fulcrum" (or leverage) moves with > it. So, thinking in terms of a fly rod's "fulcrum" just doesn't enter into > the casting equation at all. > > On the other hand, the illusion of "balance" might be created by adding > weight anywhere from the grip to the butt cap. It is because leverage is > first imparted to a fly rod at a point just under one's fingers and thumb, > that weight in the area behind this point might seem to help in > counteracting the weight of the rod. > > But I call that an illusion because this possibly "nicer feel" has been > purchased at the price of needing to impart just that much greater physical > effort to put the entire rig into motion. And it is the overall weight of a > rod, regardless of placement, that affects both the action of the rod and > the physical effort needed to put its mass into motion. Unnecessary weight > anywhere in the grip or reel seat dampens the action of a rod exactly as > would a shock absorber. > > Or, put differently, whatever the combined weight of the reel, reel seat and > grip happen to be, this weight must first be overcome by the effort of one's > casting before any flexing shape can be imparted to the rod out in front. > If, for instance, there were no reel seat or reel at all, the rod would > perhaps feel quite uncomfortable in one's hand. But upon casting, all the > physical energy of one's effort would be delivered immediately and directly > to the flexing of the rod, and no energy would be wasted by the dampening > effect of weight located behind the fingers and thumb. Professional > distance-casters know this well. > > But we are not professional distance-casters. We need a reel. And so we > need to compromise in some way that will prouce a rod that is comfortable, > efficient and, yes, also attractive. We needn't try to avoid such > compromises, but we do not have to decieve ourselves at the same time by > saying that "it doesn't matter--the heavier reel or reel seat only helps to > 'balance' the rig." > > So, one kind of a force can have the apparent effect of offsetting another > kind of force, but "adjustments" of these kinds (weight here, > counterbalanced by weight or greater effort there) must always take a toll > in overall efficiency. > > There's no free lunch. Weight (mass), wherever it is located, costs > efficiency when a rod is put into motion by the caster. I am not a > physicist, but I know there is simply no law in physics to circumvent that > fact. > > cheers, Bill > > cheers, Bill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reed Curry" > To: > Cc: ; ; > > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: whreel seats > > > > Dave, > > If you meant "any weight added below the grip..." I would certainly agree > > with you. I often use very heavy reels on long cane rods for just that > > reason. The grip is, however, the fulcrum point and weight added there > > will not offset the weight above the grip. > > Best regards, > > Reed > > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > > > Dave Norling wrote: > > > > > Any weight added to the grip and reelseat and reel will decrease the > > > feel of the weight of the rod. > > > > > > > > > > > >From patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Tue Jan 29 11:15:33 2002 Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com [12.13.237.21]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0THFWW28865 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:15:33 - 0600 (CST) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com ([192.76.190.6]) by slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id JAA22920; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-01) with ESMTP id LAA29842; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:15:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh- 02.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.54.12.28]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id g0THFfb24823; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:15:38 -0800 Message-ID: <58B6DA1B98AA9149B13B029976A48BCC07E76BEA@xch-nw- 31.nw.nos.boeing.com> From: "Coffey, Patrick W" To: "'Adam Vigil'" Cc: "'rodmakers'" Subject: RE: whreel seats Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:15:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN in the Garrison tape he talks about balance and said the he believed that a rod should balance right in front of the grip which is the fulcrum point in casting. Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- From: Adam Vigil [mailto:atlasc1@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:14 PM To: harms1@pa.net; rcurry@ttlc.net; dnorl@qwest.net Cc: saweiss@flash.net; canazon@mindspring.com; RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats Bill, I glad you said it. Because I have so many times before. You notice that those Garrison stress graphs have no reference for reel weight it it obviously has a lot of effect on the rod. Give me a CFO, Featherwieght or flywieght or even my Ballan. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: ; Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Re: whreel seats > Reed, > > Again, weight is weight. And even though it may > located (or added, as you say) at the "fulcrum point," we should not be > deceived into thinking that this weight doesn't really count. All weight > counts, and anything beyond the minimum needs of a rod to do its business > will detract from the potential of that rod to perform. We all make > concessions according to our tastes, but that is a different matter from > saying that a little more weight doesn't count. > > Granted, an eighth of an ounce out toward the tip will detract a great deal > more than a half-ounce in a reel seat or grip. But my point would be that > we need to realize that this business of "balancing" a rod is completly > irrelevant (a bogus concept, foisted on the public through marketing lingo). > > Neither can the concept of balance be equated with that of a fulcrum under > casting conditions. > A rod has a fulcrum or balance point only at that moment when the rod is > held statically in one's hand. But that counts for nothing. Fly rods are > meant to be cast, and when casting there is NO fixed fulcrum, and certainly > not a "balance point." The motion of our arm transforms the rod into a > moving "lever" at the butt-end, while the line transforms the tip of the rod > into a different kind of a lever at its other end. > > The leverage (fulcrum) that originates in our shoulder and upper arm is > gradually and then quickly transmitted down through the wrist and fingers. > This leverage then moves outward, down the length of the rod as would a > spring, and as this spring uncoils, the "fulcrum" (or leverage) moves with > it. So, thinking in terms of a fly rod's "fulcrum" just doesn't enter into > the casting equation at all. > > On the other hand, the illusion of "balance" might be created by adding > weight anywhere from the grip to the butt cap. It is because leverage is > first imparted to a fly rod at a point just under one's fingers and thumb, > that weight in the area behind this point might seem to help in > counteracting the weight of the rod. > > But I call that an illusion because this possibly "nicer feel" has been > purchased at the price of needing to impart just that much greater physical > effort to put the entire rig into motion. And it is the overall weight of a > rod, regardless of placement, that affects both the action of the rod and > the physical effort needed to put its mass into motion. Unnecessary weight > anywhere in the grip or reel seat dampens the action of a rod exactly as > would a shock absorber. > > Or, put differently, whatever the combined weight of the reel, reel seat and > grip happen to be, this weight must first be overcome by the effort of one's > casting before any flexing shape can be imparted to the rod out in front. > If, for instance, there were no reel seat or reel at all, the rod would > perhaps feel quite uncomfortable in one's hand. But upon casting, all the > physical energy of one's effort would be delivered immediately and directly > to the flexing of the rod, and no energy would be wasted by the dampening > effect of weight located behind the fingers and thumb. Professional > distance-casters know this well. > > But we are not professional distance-casters. We need a reel. And so we > need to compromise in some way that will prouce a rod that is comfortable, > efficient and, yes, also attractive. We needn't try to avoid such > compromises, but we do not have to decieve ourselves at the same time by > saying that "it doesn't matter--the heavier reel or reel seat only helps to > 'balance' the rig." > > So, one kind of a force can have the apparent effect of offsetting another > kind of force, but "adjustments" of these kinds (weight here, > counterbalanced by weight or greater effort there) must always take a toll > in overall efficiency. > > There's no free lunch. Weight (mass), wherever it is located, costs > efficiency when a rod is put into motion by the caster. I am not a > physicist, but I know there is simply no law in physics to circumvent that > fact. > > cheers, Bill > > cheers, Bill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reed Curry" > To: > Cc: ; ; > > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: whreel seats > > > > Dave, > > If you meant "any weight added below the grip..." I would certainly agree > > with you. I often use very heavy reels on long cane rods for just that > > reason. The grip is, however, the fulcrum point and weight added there > > will not offset the weight above the grip. > > Best regards, > > Reed > > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > > > Dave Norling wrote: > > > > > Any weight added to the grip and reelseat and reel will decrease the > > > feel of the weight of the rod. > > > > > > > > > > > >From stoltz10@attbi.com Tue Jan 29 11:30:01 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0THU0W29831 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:30:00 - 0600 (CST) Received: from TimsXP ([12.225.31.80]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020129172954.SMYU3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@TimsXP> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:29:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c1a8ea$8dfac4c0$501fe10c@TimsXP> From: "Tim" To: Subject: steelhead rod Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:29:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A8A7.7F18C8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: stoltz10@attbi.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A8A7.7F18C8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm Thinkin about making a steelhead rod, what are some good tapers to = look at. 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I'm Thinkin about making a steelhead = rod, what are=20 some good tapers to look at.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A8A7.7F18C8A0-- >From CALucker@aol.com Tue Jan 29 11:36:37 2002 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0THaaW00374 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:36:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from CALucker@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id g.43.5b13b80 (26117); Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:36:23 -0500 (EST) From: CALucker@aol.com Message-ID: <43.5b13b80.29883797@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:36:23 EST Subject: Re: Interesting notes & questions on Winston/brackett video To: Bamboomaker@aol.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_43.5b13b80.29883797_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Reply-To: CALucker@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_43.5b13b80.29883797_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 4:36:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, Bamboomaker@aol.com writes: > Last query - does anyone have a set of plans to make a similar machine > demonstrated at the end of the video to put in a hollow flute in splines. > It > seemed to work quite smoothly on the video. > > I made one my mounting a Microfence to the base of a Porter Cable 690 and using a biscuit slot cutter. A Microfence is a micrometer adjustable guide made for routers. Mircofence is its brand name/tool name. The biscuit slot cutter needs to have its square edges rounded with a diamond stone. To make the fence useful for fluting cane you need to make simple guides and hold-downs. Simple is the key because you do not have much room -- the cutters are close to the router base. I used spring pressure from below to keep the strips held down. I had two different widths of fluting cutters. I fluted the entire strip. I did not stop at the ferrule stations. I later filled the ferrule station sections of my blank by drilling out to leave 0.072 or so of cane power fibers and filling the hole with a dowel. If you are fluting a tip section, you set the depth of cut to 0.070 and cut your section until the strips are smaller than 0.070. The real problem with fluting tips is that the small strips will not be held by your roller guides if your bed is flat. You could mount your tip strips under tension (backbowed) on an aluminum carrier, that way you could have more control over your tip strips, but that would be a time consuming hassle. I never fluted my tip strips, only butt. I gave away the fixtures because I prefer to scallop rather than flute and I hate the sound of routers. Chris Lucker --part1_43.5b13b80.29883797_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 4:36:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, Bamboomaker@aol.com writes:


Last query - does anyone have a set of plans to make a similar machine
demonstrated at the end of the video to put in a hollow flute in splines.  It
seemed to work quite smoothly on the video.



I made one my mounting a Microfence to the base of a Porter Cable 690 and using a biscuit slot cutter.  A Microfence is a micrometer adjustable guide made for routers.  Mircofence is its brand name/tool name. The biscuit slot cutter needs to have its square edges rounded with a diamond stone.  
To make the fence useful for fluting cane you need to make simple guides and hold-downs.  Simple is the key because you do not have much room -- the cutters are close to the router base.  I used spring pressure from below to keep the strips held down.
I had two different widths of fluting cutters.
I fluted the entire strip.  I did not stop at the ferrule stations.  I later filled the ferrule station sections of my blank by drilling out to leave 0.072 or so of cane power fibers and filling the hole with a dowel.  If you are fluting a tip section, you set the depth of cut to 0.070 and cut your section until the strips are smaller than 0.070.  The real problem with fluting tips is that the small strips will not be held by your roller guides if  your bed is flat.  You could mount your tip strips under tension (backbowed) on an aluminum carrier, that way you could have more control over your tip strips, but that would be a time consuming hassle.  I never fluted my tip strips, only butt.
I gave away the fixtures because I prefer to scallop rather than flute and I hate the sound of routers.
Chris Lucker --part1_43.5b13b80.29883797_boundary-- >From CALucker@aol.com Tue Jan 29 11:56:03 2002 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0THu2W04153 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:56:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from CALucker@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id g.159.8134d00 (26117); Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:55:47 -0500 (EST) From: CALucker@aol.com Message-ID: <159.8134d00.29883c22@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:55:46 EST Subject: Re: Interesting notes & questions on Winston/brackett video To: Bamboomaker@aol.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_159.8134d00.29883c22_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Reply-To: CALucker@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_159.8134d00.29883c22_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 4:36:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, Bamboomaker@aol.com writes: > Last query - does anyone have a set of plans to make a similar machine > demonstrated at the end of the video to put in a hollow flute in splines. > It > seemed to work quite smoothly on the video. > > I made one my mounting a Microfence to the base of a Porter Cable 690 and using a biscuit slot cutter. A Microfence is a micrometer adjustable guide made for routers. Mircofence is its brand name/tool name. The biscuit slot cutter needs to have its square edges rounded with a diamond stone. To make the fence useful for fluting cane you need to make simple guides and hold-downs. Simple is the key because you do not have much room -- the cutters are close to the router base. I used spring pressure from below to keep the strips held down. I had two different widths of fluting cutters. I fluted the entire strip. I did not stop at the ferrule stations. I later filled the ferrule station sections of my blank by drilling out to leave 0.072 or so of cane power fibers and filling the hole with a dowel. If you are fluting a tip section, you set the depth of cut to 0.070 and cut your section until the strips are smaller than 0.070. The real problem with fluting tips is that the small strips will not be held by your roller guides if your bed is flat. You could mount your tip strips under tension (backbowed) on an aluminum carrier, that way you could have more control over your tip strips, but that would be a time consuming hassle. I never fluted my tip strips, only butt. I gave away the fixtures because I prefer to scallop rather than flute and I hate the sound of routers. Chris Lucker --part1_159.8134d00.29883c22_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 4:36:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, Bamboomaker@aol.com writes:


Last query - does anyone have a set of plans to make a similar machine
demonstrated at the end of the video to put in a hollow flute in splines.  It
seemed to work quite smoothly on the video.



I made one my mounting a Microfence to the base of a Porter Cable 690 and using a biscuit slot cutter.  A Microfence is a micrometer adjustable guide made for routers.  Mircofence is its brand name/tool name. The biscuit slot cutter needs to have its square edges rounded with a diamond stone.  
To make the fence useful for fluting cane you need to make simple guides and hold-downs.  Simple is the key because you do not have much room -- the cutters are close to the router base.  I used spring pressure from below to keep the strips held down.
I had two different widths of fluting cutters.
I fluted the entire strip.  I did not stop at the ferrule stations.  I later filled the ferrule station sections of my blank by drilling out to leave 0.072 or so of cane power fibers and filling the hole with a dowel.  If you are fluting a tip section, you set the depth of cut to 0.070 and cut your section until the strips are smaller than 0.070.  The real problem with fluting tips is that the small strips will not be held by your roller guides if  your bed is flat.  You could mount your tip strips under tension (backbowed) on an aluminum carrier, that way you could have more control over your tip strips, but that would be a time consuming hassle.  I never fluted my tip strips, only butt.
I gave away the fixtures because I prefer to scallop rather than flute and I hate the sound of routers.
Chris Lucker --part1_159.8134d00.29883c22_boundary-- >From CALucker@aol.com Tue Jan 29 11:58:24 2002 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0THwNW04855 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:58:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from CALucker@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id g.c.222eca84 (26117); Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:58:13 -0500 (EST) From: CALucker@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:58:13 EST Subject: Re: Interesting notes & questions on Winston/brackett video To: Bamboomaker@aol.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c.222eca84.29883cb5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Reply-To: CALucker@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_c.222eca84.29883cb5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 4:36:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, Bamboomaker@aol.com writes: > Last query - does anyone have a set of plans to make a similar machine > demonstrated at the end of the video to put in a hollow flute in splines. > It > seemed to work quite smoothly on the video. > > I made one my mounting a Microfence to the base of a Porter Cable 690 and using a biscuit slot cutter. A Microfence is a micrometer adjustable guide made for routers. Mircofence is its brand name/tool name. The biscuit slot cutter needs to have its square edges rounded with a diamond stone. To make the fence useful for fluting cane you need to make simple guides and hold-downs. Simple is the key because you do not have much room -- the cutters are close to the router base. I used spring pressure from below to keep the strips held down. I had two different widths of fluting cutters. I fluted the entire strip. I did not stop at the ferrule stations. I later filled the ferrule station sections of my blank by drilling out to leave 0.072 or so of cane power fibers and filling the hole with a dowel. If you are fluting a tip section, you set the depth of cut to 0.070 and cut your section until the strips are smaller than 0.070. The real problem with fluting tips is that the small strips will not be held by your roller guides if your bed is flat. You could mount your tip strips under tension (backbowed) on an aluminum carrier, that way you could have more control over your tip strips, but that would be a time consuming hassle. I never fluted my tip strips, only butt. I gave away the fixtures because I prefer to scallop rather than flute and I hate the sound of routers. Chris Lucker --part1_c.222eca84.29883cb5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 4:36:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, Bamboomaker@aol.com writes:


Last query - does anyone have a set of plans to make a similar machine
demonstrated at the end of the video to put in a hollow flute in splines.  It
seemed to work quite smoothly on the video.



I made one my mounting a Microfence to the base of a Porter Cable 690 and using a biscuit slot cutter.  A Microfence is a micrometer adjustable guide made for routers.  Mircofence is its brand name/tool name. The biscuit slot cutter needs to have its square edges rounded with a diamond stone.  
To make the fence useful for fluting cane you need to make simple guides and hold-downs.  Simple is the key because you do not have much room -- the cutters are close to the router base.  I used spring pressure from below to keep the strips held down.
I had two different widths of fluting cutters.
I fluted the entire strip.  I did not stop at the ferrule stations.  I later filled the ferrule station sections of my blank by drilling out to leave 0.072 or so of cane power fibers and filling the hole with a dowel.  If you are fluting a tip section, you set the depth of cut to 0.070 and cut your section until the strips are smaller than 0.070.  The real problem with fluting tips is that the small strips will not be held by your roller guides if  your bed is flat.  You could mount your tip strips under tension (backbowed) on an aluminum carrier, that way you could have more control over your tip strips, but that would be a time consuming hassle.  I never fluted my tip strips, only butt.
I gave away the fixtures because I prefer to scallop rather than flute and I hate the sound of routers.
Chris Lucker --part1_c.222eca84.29883cb5_boundary-- >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Jan 29 12:14:53 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TIEqW09048 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:14:52 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip224.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.224]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0TIGNV215038; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:16:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3C56E6BA.4CD87D82@3g.quik.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:15:23 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cathcreek@hotmail.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Heddon sizes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks Robert, And all who have responded. Looks like this is somewhere in the range of a six weight. I'll drag out some lines and start trying them to make a final determination. Harry Robert Clarke wrote: > Harry, I have a #35 HGH Peerless. I think it is a nine footer or close. It > is a mean 6 weight. > > Rob > > >From: Harry Boyd > >Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com > >To: Rodmakers > >Subject: Heddon sizes > >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:58:40 -0600 > > > >Friends, > > > > Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, > >older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size > >12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know > >approximately what size rod this is? My guess is > >that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. > > > > All input appreciated, > > Harry > > > >-- > > > > -- Harry Boyd -- > >http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- > >http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From cathcreek@hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 12:58:15 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f104.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.104]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TIwFW19288 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:58:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:58:02 -0800 Received: from 140.211.60.66 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:57:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [140.211.60.66] Reply-To: cathcreek@hotmail.com From: "Robert Clarke" To: Fallcreek9@aol.com, canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:57:55 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 18:58:02.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[E063E9B0:01C1A8F6] Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Was it one of the Powell's who used to competition cast with the line in a "puddle" at his feet, and no reel? Not very practical on the river, but I have always tried to get the lightest reel I can for the rod. That advice came from Marinara or someone else that I can't recall at this point. Sorry to drag out this thread! Rob Clarke >From: Fallcreek9@aol.com >Reply-To: Fallcreek9@aol.com >To: canazon@mindspring.com, RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu >Subject: Re: whreel seats >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:32:41 EST > >In a message dated 1/28/02 1:32:37 PM Central Standard Time, >canazon@mindspring.com writes: > > > > who doesn't fish quite as much as me and gets very arm weary. > > except when she spends about 10 hours hauling 18" fish out of the frying > > pan! > > > >man, if you have a partner like that, and there are 18" to haul, you aughta >be teachin us. Enjoy. > >On the subject of your quest, I like the balance point to be a bit ahead of >the cork grip. May be silly, but it seems that I get more feel for what is >going on during a cast. > >Best regards, >RTyree _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com >From harms1@pa.net Tue Jan 29 13:04:18 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TJ4IW20858 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:04:18 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp181.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.181]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 99D504CC40; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:00:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003901c1a8f7$5f0c13a0$b5646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , "'Adam Vigil'" Cc: "'rodmakers'" References: <58B6DA1B98AA9149B13B029976A48BCC07E76BEA@xch-nw- 31.nw.nos.boeing.com> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:01:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Patrick, Again, with apologies to you and to Garrison, THERE IS NO FULCRUM POINT WHEN CASTING! There is only a "feel" of one sort or another that pleases different casters differently. I don't know what Garrison's context for understanding may have been when he said that, but it is simply impossible to subscribe to the idea of a "fulcrum point" (in any ordinary sense of the word) when casting a fly rod. Come on now. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffey, Patrick W" To: "'Adam Vigil'" Cc: "'rodmakers'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: RE: whreel seats > in the Garrison tape he talks about balance and said the he believed that a > rod should balance right in front of the grip which is the fulcrum point in > casting. > > > Patrick W. Coffey > AOG Incident Repair Planning > Phone: 425-234-2901 > Fax: 425-237-0083 > M-2112 M/C 61-79 >From alspicer99@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 13:20:18 2002 Received: from web11005.mail.yahoo.com (web11005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.55]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0TJKIW24718 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:20:18 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020129192015.12912.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.76.37] by web11005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:20:15 PST Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:20:15 -0800 (PST) From: al spicer Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: alspicer99@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All, Thanks to everyone that responded to my question about a 9'-0" 4 wt. Got lots of good suggestions and information. Looks like I'll be building A.J.'s 9'-0" 4 wt. and a one of the 8'- 6" 5 or 6 wt. to take on my trip. Thanks again, AL Spicer Greensboro, NC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From darrell@vFish.net Tue Jan 29 15:30:01 2002 Received: from torme.siteprotect.com (torme.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.66]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TLU1W25306 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:30:01 - 0600 (CST) Received: from dlee (adsl-63-194-22-85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.22.85]) by torme.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25306; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:29:47 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Darrell Lee" To: , , Subject: RE: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:29:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I think your rod might be an HCH or D... a 6 wt... By the way, Sierra Trading Post is selling those "Bamboo Fly Fishing Lines" again... they had 3,4,7 weights when I placed my order to try them out... at $14.95 you can't go too far wrong... There's not too many left I suspect... Can anyone who bought them last time they were on sale tell me how you liked them? Here's the links... I received it about an hour ago... DT BAMBOO FLY FISHING LINE by MCKENZIE Available in 3 and 7 weight. Gentle taper and smooth action. #70921 Price:$14.95 Reg:$49.00 Save:$34.05 http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xt_kc.asp?kc=WS74&pg=p&bn=70921 WF BAMBOO FLY FISHING LINE by MCKENZIE Available in 3, 4, 6 and 7 weight. Gentle taper and smooth action. #70922 Price:$14.95 Reg:$49.00 Save:$34.05 http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xt_kc.asp?kc=WS74&pg=p&bn=70922 No financial interest... Regards, Darrell Lee Anglers Collectibles Exchange http://www.vfish.net Info & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 U.S. Toll-Free Order Line (877) 452-2420 ================== Angling, collecting & rod making books at: http://www.vfish.net/files/acebooks7.PDF ================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Robert Clarke Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:50 PM To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Heddon sizes Harry, I have a #35 HGH Peerless. I think it is a nine footer or close. It is a mean 6 weight. Rob >From: Harry Boyd >Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com >To: Rodmakers >Subject: Heddon sizes >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:58:40 -0600 > >Friends, > > Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, >older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size >12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know >approximately what size rod this is? My guess is >that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. > > All input appreciated, > Harry > >-- > > -- Harry Boyd -- >http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- >http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >From rodwrapp@swbell.net Tue Jan 29 15:34:32 2002 Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TLYWW26504 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:34:32 - 0600 (CST) Received: from computer ([208.190.253.138]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GQP003GQYLFWI@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net> for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:34:28 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:25:42 -0600 From: Davesrods Subject: Re: Heddon sizes To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com, Rodmakers Message-id: <009301c1a90b$837371c0$3f3afea9@computer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3C56AA8F.781AFB07@3g.quik.com> Reply-To: rodwrapp@swbell.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Speaking of Heddons does anybody know what size is a 1 3/4 ferrule?? Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Boyd" To: "Rodmakers" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Heddon sizes > Friends, > > Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, > older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size > 12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know > approximately what size rod this is? My guess is > that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. > > All input appreciated, > Harry > > -- > > -- Harry Boyd -- > http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- > http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > >From fiveside@net-gate.com Tue Jan 29 15:35:24 2002 Received: from ns1.net-gate.com (rtr.net-gate.com [64.80.77.25]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TLZNW26801 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:35:23 - 0600 (CST) Received: from default (ppp-ptc-pm3-02-039.fiberlynx.net [64.80.73.87]) by ns1.net-gate.com (8.9.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26741 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:33:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005001c1a90c$b71cbc60$e7495040@default> From: "William R. Fink" To: Subject: Patching Cork Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:33:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C1A8E2.C11468A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: fiveside@net-gate.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C1A8E2.C11468A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To the List, Here's a subject that hasn't come up in a while. I've never been truly = happy with my cork repairs so I ran a little experiment, since I have a = great over-abundance of wine bottle corks. Many of these corks have an = end damaged by corkscrews. I mixed up 3 putty-type mixtures of cork = dust with 3 glues; Duco, Rubber cement and Contact cement to repair some = damaged corks. Next day I sanded the repairs and checked their texture. = The winner hands down was contact cement, in this case Pliobond. The = rubber cement repair was too soft and spongy. The Duco was too hard, = noticably harder than cork. I also learned a small thing, it seems = better to use a flexible putty knife rather than fingers for repairs, = for what it's worth. Bill =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C1A8E2.C11468A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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  Here's a subject that hasn't = come up in a=20 while. I've never been truly happy with my cork repairs so I ran a = little=20 experiment, since I have a great over-abundance of wine bottle corks. = Many of=20 these corks have an end damaged by corkscrews. I mixed up 3 putty-type = mixtures=20  of cork dust with 3 glues; Duco, Rubber cement and Contact cement = to=20 repair some damaged corks. Next day I sanded the repairs and = checked their=20 texture. The winner hands down was contact cement, in this case = Pliobond. The=20 rubber cement repair was too soft and spongy. The Duco was too hard, = noticably=20 harder than cork. I also learned a small thing, it seems better to use a = flexible putty knife rather than fingers for repairs, for what it's = worth.=20 Bill
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------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C1A8E2.C11468A0-- >From darrell@vFish.net Tue Jan 29 15:55:13 2002 Received: from torme.siteprotect.com (torme.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.66]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TLtCW01555 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:55:12 - 0600 (CST) Received: from dlee (adsl-63-194-22-85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.22.85]) by torme.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27754; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:55:10 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Darrell Lee" To: , "Rodmakers" Subject: RE: Heddon sizes Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:54:29 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <3C56AA8F.781AFB07@3g.quik.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN If you measure the OD of the male slide of the tip and butt ferrules, I can tell you what model/taper it is... 2, 2 1/2, 2 3/4, 3... Darrell -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Harry Boyd Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:59 AM To: Rodmakers Subject: Heddon sizes Friends, Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size 12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know approximately what size rod this is? My guess is that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. All input appreciated, Harry -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From live2huntfish@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 15:57:18 2002 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0TLvHW02164 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:57:17 - 0600 (CST) Received: from host187.216-241-172.webaccess.net (HELO RittA) (216.241.172.187) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 21:57:11 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Alan Ritt" To: Subject: RE: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:51:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I bought a couple McKenzie bamboo lines a few years ago. Advertised as designed specifically for bamboo, smaller diameter for smaller guides, etc... My personal opinion (I'm definitely not an expert or a championship caster so factor that in, just MY opinion) "YUK". Line surface was not very smooth or slick (yes, I clean my lines after each use) and I found the line suffered badly from memory coiling. In case this was not settled the first time around, these are not silk. Just one opinion, Al Ritt live2huntfish@yahoo.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Darrell Lee Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:29 PM To: cathcreek@hotmail.com; fbcwin@3g.quik.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie I think your rod might be an HCH or D... a 6 wt... By the way, Sierra Trading Post is selling those "Bamboo Fly Fishing Lines" again... they had 3,4,7 weights when I placed my order to try them out... at $14.95 you can't go too far wrong... There's not too many left I suspect... Can anyone who bought them last time they were on sale tell me how you liked them? Here's the links... I received it about an hour ago... DT BAMBOO FLY FISHING LINE by MCKENZIE Available in 3 and 7 weight. Gentle taper and smooth action. #70921 Price:$14.95 Reg:$49.00 Save:$34.05 http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xt_kc.asp?kc=WS74&pg=p&bn=70921 WF BAMBOO FLY FISHING LINE by MCKENZIE Available in 3, 4, 6 and 7 weight. Gentle taper and smooth action. #70922 Price:$14.95 Reg:$49.00 Save:$34.05 http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xt_kc.asp?kc=WS74&pg=p&bn=70922 No financial interest... Regards, Darrell Lee Anglers Collectibles Exchange http://www.vfish.net Info & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 U.S. Toll-Free Order Line (877) 452-2420 ================== Angling, collecting & rod making books at: http://www.vfish.net/files/acebooks7.PDF ================== _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >From SBDunn@aol.com Tue Jan 29 15:58:49 2002 Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TLwmW02642 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:58:48 - 0600 (CST) Received: from SBDunn@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 5.b7.1ac11711 (17229); Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:58:23 -0500 (EST) From: SBDunn@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:58:23 EST Subject: Re: Heddon sizes To: rodwrapp@swbell.net, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: SBDunn@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN It is 17/64s. Regards, Steve. >From darrell@vFish.net Tue Jan 29 16:20:37 2002 Received: from torme.siteprotect.com (torme.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.66]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TMKaW08079 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:20:37 - 0600 (CST) Received: from dlee (adsl-63-194-22-85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.22.85]) by torme.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA30229; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:20:34 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Darrell Lee" To: , , "Rodmakers" Subject: RE: Heddon sizes Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:19:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <009301c1a90b$837371c0$3f3afea9@computer> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN You probably need to know the length of the rod and number of sections to figure that out. I unfortunately made a mistake and traded away a very scarce 1 3/4F 9 ft rod... A big Heddon collector told me I was full of beans that it was a 1 3/4F and that the rod didn't exisit... It does... it's the only one I've ever seen in that length and taper and it casts a 4wt... It was a early rod and had the original paper label and marked as such. Alas, it went to a good home and he loves to fish it... Darrell -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Davesrods Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:26 PM To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com; Rodmakers Subject: Re: Heddon sizes Speaking of Heddons does anybody know what size is a 1 3/4 ferrule?? Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Boyd" To: "Rodmakers" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Heddon sizes > Friends, > > Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, > older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size > 12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know > approximately what size rod this is? My guess is > that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. > > All input appreciated, > Harry > > -- > > -- Harry Boyd -- > http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- > http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Tue Jan 29 16:24:03 2002 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TMO2W08995 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:24:02 - 0600 (CST) Received: from pool0491.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.147.236] helo=computer) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VgfN-0001as-00; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:23:50 -0800 Message-ID: <003301c1a913$a036c020$ec93b3d1@computer> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: Cc: "'rodmakers'" References: <58B6DA1B98AA9149B13B029976A48BCC07E76BEA@xch-nw- 31.nw.nos.boeing.com> Subject: Re: whreel seats Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:23:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ah!! Yet it is impossible to balance the rod there when it is in the motion of casting (because of its instantaneous axis of rotation). And that is what we are talking about. I agree if you want to balance the rod on your finger in front of the grip is a good place. But fishing it that way might be a bit awkward. And actually that is the only time it will balance there because that axis of rotation will change as soon as you move the rod. I for one do not mind the tip of my rod pointing down toward the water. Actually this is my starting point for my back cast. If one likes to start their back cast with the tip up in the air this could explain why they like a heavy reel. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coffey, Patrick W" To: "'Adam Vigil'" Cc: "'rodmakers'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: RE: whreel seats > in the Garrison tape he talks about balance and said the he believed that a > rod should balance right in front of the grip which is the fulcrum point in > casting. > > > Patrick W. Coffey > AOG Incident Repair Planning > Phone: 425-234-2901 > Fax: 425-237-0083 > M-2112 M/C 61-79 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Vigil [mailto:atlasc1@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:14 PM > To: harms1@pa.net; rcurry@ttlc.net; dnorl@qwest.net > Cc: saweiss@flash.net; canazon@mindspring.com; RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu > Subject: Re: whreel seats > > > Bill, > > I glad you said it. Because I have so many times before. You notice that > those Garrison stress graphs have no reference for reel weight it it > obviously has a lot of effect on the rod. Give me a CFO, Featherwieght or > flywieght or even my Ballan. > > Adam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLIAM HARMS" > To: ; > Cc: ; ; > > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: whreel seats > > > > Reed, > > > > Again, weight is weight. And even though it may > > located (or added, as you say) at the "fulcrum point," we should not be > > deceived into thinking that this weight doesn't really count. All weight > > counts, and anything beyond the minimum needs of a rod to do its business > > will detract from the potential of that rod to perform. We all make > > concessions according to our tastes, but that is a different matter from > > saying that a little more weight doesn't count. > > > > Granted, an eighth of an ounce out toward the tip will detract a great > deal > > more than a half-ounce in a reel seat or grip. But my point would be that > > we need to realize that this business of "balancing" a rod is completly > > irrelevant (a bogus concept, foisted on the public through marketing > lingo). > > > > Neither can the concept of balance be equated with that of a fulcrum under > > casting conditions. > > A rod has a fulcrum or balance point only at that moment when the rod is > > held statically in one's hand. But that counts for nothing. Fly rods are > > meant to be cast, and when casting there is NO fixed fulcrum, and > certainly > > not a "balance point." The motion of our arm transforms the rod into a > > moving "lever" at the butt-end, while the line transforms the tip of the > rod > > into a different kind of a lever at its other end. > > > > The leverage (fulcrum) that originates in our shoulder and upper arm is > > gradually and then quickly transmitted down through the wrist and fingers. > > This leverage then moves outward, down the length of the rod as would a > > spring, and as this spring uncoils, the "fulcrum" (or leverage) moves with > > it. So, thinking in terms of a fly rod's "fulcrum" just doesn't enter > into > > the casting equation at all. > > > > On the other hand, the illusion of "balance" might be created by adding > > weight anywhere from the grip to the butt cap. It is because leverage is > > first imparted to a fly rod at a point just under one's fingers and thumb, > > that weight in the area behind this point might seem to help in > > counteracting the weight of the rod. > > > > But I call that an illusion because this possibly "nicer feel" has been > > purchased at the price of needing to impart just that much greater > physical > > effort to put the entire rig into motion. And it is the overall weight of > a > > rod, regardless of placement, that affects both the action of the rod and > > the physical effort needed to put its mass into motion. Unnecessary weight > > anywhere in the grip or reel seat dampens the action of a rod exactly as > > would a shock absorber. > > > > Or, put differently, whatever the combined weight of the reel, reel seat > and > > grip happen to be, this weight must first be overcome by the effort of > one's > > casting before any flexing shape can be imparted to the rod out in front. > > If, for instance, there were no reel seat or reel at all, the rod would > > perhaps feel quite uncomfortable in one's hand. But upon casting, all the > > physical energy of one's effort would be delivered immediately and > directly > > to the flexing of the rod, and no energy would be wasted by the dampening > > effect of weight located behind the fingers and thumb. Professional > > distance-casters know this well. > > > > But we are not professional distance-casters. We need a reel. And so we > > need to compromise in some way that will prouce a rod that is > comfortable, > > efficient and, yes, also attractive. We needn't try to avoid such > > compromises, but we do not have to decieve ourselves at the same time by > > saying that "it doesn't matter--the heavier reel or reel seat only helps > to > > 'balance' the rig." > > > > So, one kind of a force can have the apparent effect of offsetting another > > kind of force, but "adjustments" of these kinds (weight here, > > counterbalanced by weight or greater effort there) must always take a toll > > in overall efficiency. > > > > There's no free lunch. Weight (mass), wherever it is located, costs > > efficiency when a rod is put into motion by the caster. I am not a > > physicist, but I know there is simply no law in physics to circumvent that > > fact. > > > > cheers, Bill > > > > cheers, Bill > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Reed Curry" > > To: > > Cc: ; ; > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:09 AM > > Subject: Re: whreel seats > > > > > > > Dave, > > > If you meant "any weight added below the grip..." I would certainly > agree > > > with you. I often use very heavy reels on long cane rods for just that > > > reason. The grip is, however, the fulcrum point and weight added there > > > will not offset the weight above the grip. > > > Best regards, > > > Reed > > > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > > > > > Dave Norling wrote: > > > > > > > Any weight added to the grip and reelseat and reel will decrease the > > > > feel of the weight of the rod. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From Grnmtrds@aol.com Tue Jan 29 16:32:23 2002 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TMWMW11138 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:32:22 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Grnmtrds@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.9e.2151308f (3989) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:32:09 - 0500 (EST) From: Grnmtrds@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.2151308f.29887ce8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:32:08 EST Subject: heddon and phillipson To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Reply-To: Grnmtrds@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have two rods both original. Original bags and original tubes. Also both are in very good condition. I am looking for a ball park figure on what they may be worth. The Heddon is a #17-9' 2 1/2 f hch or d . That is what is marked on it . I think it is a 8 or 9 wt. . It is a 3 piece 2 tip. The Phillipson is a 3/2,marked power-pakt 9'6'' #7 line. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you , Jim in Vermont >From horsesho@ptd.net Tue Jan 29 16:39:52 2002 Received: from smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.86]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0TMdpW13072 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:39:52 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 29268 invoked by uid 50005); 29 Jan 2002 22:39:50 -0000 Received: from horsesho@ptd.net by smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net by uid 50002 with qmail-scanner-1.10 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4183. . Clear:0. Processed in 2.446964 secs); 29 Jan 2002 22:39:50 -0000 Received: from du211142.cli.ptd.net (HELO ptd.net) ([204.186.211.142]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Jan 2002 22:39:47 -0000 Message-ID: <3C572292.7020304@ptd.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:30:42 -0500 From: "Marty D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com CC: Rodmakers Subject: Re: Heddon sizes References: <3C56AA8F.781AFB07@3g.quik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: horsesho@ptd.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Harry, That sounds like a #2 Ferrule Heddon. HDH #6. Marty Harry Boyd wrote: >Friends, > > Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, >older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size >12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know >approximately what size rod this is? My guess is >that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. > > All input appreciated, > Harry > >-- > > -- Harry Boyd -- >http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- >http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > > > >From caneman@clnk.com Tue Jan 29 16:43:09 2002 Received: from ispram.clnk.com (mail.clnk.com [12.5.228.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TMh8W14008 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:43:08 - 0600 (CST) Received: from caneman ([12.19.118.7]) by ispram.clnk.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:41:53 -0600 Message-ID: <062801c1a915$1cd65360$8a76130c@caneman> From: "Bob Nunley" To: References: Subject: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:34:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: caneman@clnk.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have one McKenzie fly line that I bought about 6 months ago (DT5)... I agree with Alan that they do have a very rough surface compared to a Cortland or SA line, but I haven't had any problem with memory coil on this particular line. No complaints about the line, but I will generally stick with Cortland and SA. Hard to beat them, and even at 45 to 55 a line, if you take care of them, they'll last a long time. Speaking of lines... has anyone tried the new 555 Cortland MonoCore lines on a cane rod (Olaf, Reed, please forgive my blasphemy!!!). Just wondered how they cast on a "superior" rod? Later, Bob R.L. Nunley, Rodmaker Custom Split Cane Flyrods http://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Ritt" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: RE: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie > I bought a couple McKenzie bamboo lines a few years ago. Advertised as > designed specifically for bamboo, smaller diameter for smaller guides, > etc... My personal opinion (I'm definitely not an expert or a championship > caster so factor that in, just MY opinion) "YUK". Line surface was not very > smooth or slick (yes, I clean my lines after each use) and I found the line > suffered badly from memory coiling. In case this was not settled the first > time around, these are not silk. > > Just one opinion, > Al Ritt > live2huntfish@yahoo.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Darrell Lee > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:29 PM > To: cathcreek@hotmail.com; fbcwin@3g.quik.com; > rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > Subject: RE: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie > > > I think your rod might be an HCH or D... a 6 wt... > > By the way, Sierra Trading Post is selling those "Bamboo Fly Fishing Lines" > again... they had 3,4,7 weights when I placed my order to try them out... at > $14.95 you can't go too far wrong... There's not too many left I suspect... > > Can anyone who bought them last time they were on sale tell me how you liked > them? > > Here's the links... I received it about an hour ago... > > > DT BAMBOO FLY FISHING LINE by MCKENZIE > Available in 3 and 7 weight. Gentle taper and smooth action. > #70921 Price:$14.95 Reg:$49.00 Save:$34.05 > http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xt_kc.asp?kc=WS74&pg=p&bn=70921 > > WF BAMBOO FLY FISHING LINE by MCKENZIE > Available in 3, 4, 6 and 7 weight. Gentle taper and smooth action. > #70922 Price:$14.95 Reg:$49.00 Save:$34.05 > http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xt_kc.asp?kc=WS74&pg=p&bn=70922 > > No financial interest... > > Regards, > > Darrell Lee > Anglers Collectibles Exchange > http://www.vfish.net > Info & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 U.S. Toll-Free Order Line (877) 452-2420 > > ================== > Angling, collecting & rod making books at: > http://www.vfish.net/files/acebooks7.PDF > ================== > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >From kenealyj@gwi.net Tue Jan 29 16:55:47 2002 Received: from valen.gwi.net (valen.gwi.net [207.5.128.33]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TMtkW17260 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:55:46 - 0600 (CST) Received: from salvelinus (d-216-195-148-137.gwi.net [216.195.148.137]) by valen.gwi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0TMtc020604; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:55:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000601c1a918$47e231c0$8994c3d8@salvelinus> From: "John Kenealy" To: , References: <062801c1a915$1cd65360$8a76130c@caneman> Subject: Re: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:57:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: kenealyj@gwi.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN My understanding is that Gary Borger designed the McKenzie lines deliberately with small "bumps." The idea is that the bumps will ride on the guides instead of the whole line, thus reducing drag. That was his thought anyway- I'm not agreeing or disagreeing..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nunley" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie > I have one McKenzie fly line that I bought about 6 months ago (DT5)... I > agree with Alan that they do have a very rough surface compared to a > Cortland or SA line, but I haven't had any problem with memory coil on this > particular line. No complaints about the line, but I will generally stick > with Cortland and SA. Hard to beat them, and even at 45 to 55 a line, if > you take care of them, they'll last a long time. > Speaking of lines... has anyone tried the new 555 Cortland MonoCore > lines on a cane rod (Olaf, Reed, please forgive my blasphemy!!!). Just > wondered how they cast on a "superior" rod? > > Later, > Bob > > R.L. Nunley, Rodmaker > Custom Split Cane Flyrods > http://www.caneflyrod.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Ritt" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:51 PM > Subject: RE: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie > > > > I bought a couple McKenzie bamboo lines a few years ago. Advertised as > > designed specifically for bamboo, smaller diameter for smaller guides, > > etc... My personal opinion (I'm definitely not an expert or a > championship > > caster so factor that in, just MY opinion) "YUK". Line surface was not > very > > smooth or slick (yes, I clean my lines after each use) and I found the > line > > suffered badly from memory coiling. In case this was not settled the > first > > time around, these are not silk. > > > > Just one opinion, > > Al Ritt > > live2huntfish@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Darrell Lee > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:29 PM > > To: cathcreek@hotmail.com; fbcwin@3g.quik.com; > > rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > > Subject: RE: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie > > > > > > I think your rod might be an HCH or D... a 6 wt... > > > > By the way, Sierra Trading Post is selling those "Bamboo Fly Fishing > Lines" > > again... they had 3,4,7 weights when I placed my order to try them out... > at > > $14.95 you can't go too far wrong... There's not too many left I > suspect... > > > > Can anyone who bought them last time they were on sale tell me how you > liked > > them? > > > > Here's the links... I received it about an hour ago... > > > > > > DT BAMBOO FLY FISHING LINE by MCKENZIE > > Available in 3 and 7 weight. Gentle taper and smooth action. > > #70921 Price:$14.95 Reg:$49.00 Save:$34.05 > > http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xt_kc.asp?kc=WS74&pg=p&bn=70921 > > > > WF BAMBOO FLY FISHING LINE by MCKENZIE > > Available in 3, 4, 6 and 7 weight. Gentle taper and smooth action. > > #70922 Price:$14.95 Reg:$49.00 Save:$34.05 > > http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xt_kc.asp?kc=WS74&pg=p&bn=70922 > > > > No financial interest... > > > > Regards, > > > > Darrell Lee > > Anglers Collectibles Exchange > > http://www.vfish.net > > Info & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 U.S. Toll-Free Order Line (877) 452-2420 > > > > ================== > > Angling, collecting & rod making books at: > > http://www.vfish.net/files/acebooks7.PDF > > ================== > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > >From JNL123141@msn.com Tue Jan 29 17:03:24 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe57.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.199]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TN3NW19182 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:03:23 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:03:18 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.10.180.16] From: "John Long" To: "RodmakersPost" Subject: Balance Point, Schmalance Point, Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:01:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A8EF.018F4060" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 23:03:18.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[23AAD7C0:01C1A919] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A8EF.018F4060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The so called "balance point" is always changing. Most often people chec= k it when all the line is still on the reel. String the rod up and see w= hat happens, then go to a third or fourth story window and let 30-40 ft. = of line hang down and check the balance point again. The reel gets light= er and the tip of the rod gets heavier. Its all constantly changing with= varying amounts of line out when casting. =20 The balance point only feels good when walking to a new fishing spot or h= iking with the rod assembled and it "balances" near the top of the grip. Not too well balanced in Michigan, John ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A8EF.018F4060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The so called&= nbsp;"balance point" is always changing.  Most often people check it= when all the line is still on the reel.  String the rod up and= see what happens, then go to a third or fourth story window and let= 30-40 ft. of line hang down and check the balance point again.  The= reel gets lighter and the tip of the rod gets heavier.  Its all con= stantly changing with varying amounts of line out when casting. 
The balance point only feels good when walking to a new fishing = spot or hiking with the rod assembled and it "balances" near the top= of the grip.
 
Not too well balanced in Michi= gan,
 
John

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1A8EF.018F4060-- >From JNL123141@msn.com Tue Jan 29 17:16:20 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe148.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.141]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TNGJW22397 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:16:19 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:16:13 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.10.180.16] From: "John Long" To: , "Bob" , "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:14:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_0005_01C1A8F0.CFEB3440" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 23:16:13.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2104180:01C1A91A] Reply-To: JNL123141@msn.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C1A8F0.CFEB3440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Back in the 70's, Berkley came out with a line with a "pebble" finish th= at was supposed to shoot better and farther but I don't think it was arou= nd very long. I never did try one but I couldn't cast very well back the= n anyway. Does anyone else remember that line? john =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kenealy Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:01 PM To: caneman@clnk.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie =20 My understanding is that Gary Borger designed the McKenzie lines deliberately with small "bumps." The idea is that the bumps will ride on the guides instead of the whole line, thus reducing drag. That was his thought anyway- I'm not agreeing or disagreeing..... blasphemy!!!). Just > wondered how they cast on a "superior" rod? > > =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C1A8F0.CFEB3440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Back in = the 70's, Berkley came out with a line with a "pebble" finish that was su= pposed to shoot better and farther but I don't think it was around very l= ong.  I never did try one but I couldn't cast very well back then an= yway.  Does anyone else remember that line?
 
=
john
 
----- Original Message = -----
From: John Kenealy
= Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:01 PM
To: caneman@clnk.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu
Subject: Re: "bamboo fly fishing lin= es" by Mckenzie
 
My understanding is that Gary Borg= er designed the McKenzie lines
deliberately with small "bumps."  = The idea is that the bumps will ride on
the guides instead of the whol= e line, thus reducing drag.  That was his
thought anyway- I'm not= agreeing or disagreeing.....
blasphemy!!!).  Just
> wonder= ed how they cast on a "superior" rod?
>
>
------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C1A8F0.CFEB3440-- >From Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Tue Jan 29 17:17:17 2002 Received: from romulus.bhi-net.com (romulus.bhi-net.com [204.253.245.10]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TNHGW22725 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:17:16 - 0600 (CST) Received: from bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) by romulus.bhi-net.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA29837; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:17:03 -0600 (CST) Received: by smtphost.bakerhughes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:03:30 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Miller, Troy" To: kenealyj@gwi.net, caneman@clnk.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:12:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Cortland has a type of Laserline called the Tropic Plus, which is a killer distance line since it shoots so well. It is bumply on the surface like y'all have described this McKenzie. It makes a cool zipping sound as it goes through the guides, even more noticeable than silk. I love it when I need to shoot a bunch of line, but it comes at a price. If any of y'all slip-strike through your stripping finger, think about pulling sandpaper under your finger. After a few hours of lots of hookups, my finger has been pretty seriously bleeding from the abrasion. Not enough to make me stop fishing, or wipe the goofy grin off my face, though...... Just a thought -- TAM -----Original Message----- From: John Kenealy [mailto:kenealyj@gwi.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:57 PM To: caneman@clnk.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie My understanding is that Gary Borger designed the McKenzie lines deliberately with small "bumps." The idea is that the bumps will ride on the guides instead of the whole line, thus reducing drag. That was his thought anyway- I'm not agreeing or disagreeing..... >From dpeaston@wzrd.com Tue Jan 29 17:48:47 2002 Received: from mail.wzrd.com (mail.wzrd.com [206.99.165.3]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0TNmkW29952 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:48:46 - 0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wzrd.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AC15527F144; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Dell-1.mail.wzrd.com (tc1-ppp029.wzrd.com [12.30.225.31]) by mail.wzrd.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBE727EEDC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:48:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020129184239.0274b800@mail.wzrd.com> X-Sender: dpeaston@mail.wzrd.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:48:36 -0500 To: fquinchat@locl.net, , From: "Douglas P. Easton" Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper Cc: , , In-Reply-To: <033201c1a87d$9b5b12e0$9947903f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: dpeaston@wzrd.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Dennis, Is this the Rod that you had at Grand Gathering? If so, I liked it a lot. I also have a 9' Divine which 4 wt that is a bit quicker. .Olaf Borge liked that one. Al, you might like that one. -Doug 11:29 PM 1/28/2002 -0500, Dennis Bertram wrote: >This 9' 3wt taper is one of my favorites. I built it with a swelled butt >and love to use it to fish soft hackles on the Manistee. It is rather slow >and I can relight my cigar during the back cast. > >Dennis Bertram >-----Original Message----- >From: Reed Curry >To: TSmithwick@aol.com >Cc: alspicer99@yahoo.com ; tedknott@cogeco.ca >; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > >Date: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:33 PM >Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper > > > >Ah, the Wrath of Curry...I had that once with some very hot Beef Korma. > >You really don't want to stray too far from porcelain. > > > >Now Tom, that rod you traded me, which is still one of my favorites, is > >a medium action 3wt.. Even Carlos Santos liked it, and you know how he > >usually feels about any rod longer than 6'. > > > >Best regards, > >Reed > >http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > > >TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: > > > >> Al - At the risk of incurring The Wrath of Curry, the reason you can't >find a > >> light line 9 foot taper is that there aren't very many. The problem is >that > >> it takes so much cane to support the length and still produce the medium >to > >> fast actions which most people prefer, that the weight of a 3-4 weight is >not > >> all that much different than a 6-7 weight. It's a little like sleeving >an elephant gun to shoot 22 LR, and hauling the thing around to pop >squirrels. > >> There are two basic solutions: > >> > > > > Doug Easton Tonawanda, NY ><> ><> ><> >From live2huntfish@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 17:57:13 2002 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0TNvDW01974 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:57:13 - 0600 (CST) Received: from host187.216-241-172.webaccess.net (HELO RittA) (216.241.172.187) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 23:57:11 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Alan Ritt" To: Subject: RE: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie/Cortland 555 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:51:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <062801c1a915$1cd65360$8a76130c@caneman> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN If anyone has had the opportunity to try the new 555 lines at all I'd be interested. We've had them on order at the shop I work for since before the first of the year, Cortland initially thought they might be available around the first of the year, but now they are saying mid-March. Am wondering if anyone has any pre-production lines they've tried or different availability information than I do. Thanks, Al Ritt live2huntfish@yahoo.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Bob Nunley Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:34 PM To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie I have one McKenzie fly line that I bought about 6 months ago (DT5)... I agree with Alan that they do have a very rough surface compared to a Cortland or SA line, but I haven't had any problem with memory coil on this particular line. No complaints about the line, but I will generally stick with Cortland and SA. Hard to beat them, and even at 45 to 55 a line, if you take care of them, they'll last a long time. Speaking of lines... has anyone tried the new 555 Cortland MonoCore lines on a cane rod (Olaf, Reed, please forgive my blasphemy!!!). Just wondered how they cast on a "superior" rod? Later, Bob R.L. Nunley, Rodmaker Custom Split Cane Flyrods http://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Ritt" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: RE: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >From SBDunn@aol.com Tue Jan 29 18:12:18 2002 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0U0CHW05380 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:12:17 - 0600 (CST) Received: from SBDunn@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.4d.184702f2 (16336) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:12:01 - 0500 (EST) From: SBDunn@aol.com Message-ID: <4d.184702f2.29889450@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:12:00 EST Subject: Re: Heddon sizes To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: SBDunn@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I believe it is actually a 2 1/2 ferrule, "Bass-Heavy Trout", HCH. See page 51 of Sinclair's Heddon book. Regards, Steve. >From swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Tue Jan 29 18:30:55 2002 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0U0UsW10596 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:30:54 - 0600 (CST) Received: from user-2ive06r.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.0.219]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VieC-0001x8-00; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:30:44 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:28:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Heddon sizes From: "swiftriverflyfishing" To: darrell@vFish.net, rodwrapp@swbell.net, fbcwin@3g.quik.com, Rodmakers Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Reply-To: swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi - Just a note to say that I have a 9 foot 1 3/4 F Heddon on Ebay right now at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw- cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1801507638 I was surprised when I measured the ferrules because I did not know that they made such a rod either. Rick T. ---------- >From: "Darrell Lee" >To: , , "Rodmakers" >Subject: RE: Heddon sizes >Date: Tue, Jan 29, 2002, 5:19 PM > >You probably need to know the length of the rod and number of sections to >figure that out. > >I unfortunately made a mistake and traded away a very scarce 1 3/4F 9 ft >rod... A big Heddon collector told me I was full of beans that it was a 1 >3/4F and that the rod didn't exisit... It does... it's the only one I've >ever seen in that length and taper and it casts a 4wt... It was a early rod >and had the original paper label and marked as such. > >Alas, it went to a good home and he loves to fish it... > >Darrell > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu >[mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Davesrods >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:26 PM >To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com; Rodmakers >Subject: Re: Heddon sizes > > >Speaking of Heddons does anybody know what size is a 1 3/4 ferrule?? Thanks >Dave >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Harry Boyd" >To: "Rodmakers" >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:58 AM >Subject: Heddon sizes > > >> Friends, >> >> Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, >> older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size >> 12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know >> approximately what size rod this is? My guess is >> that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. >> >> All input appreciated, >> Harry >> >> -- >> >> -- Harry Boyd -- >> http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- >> http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >> > >From edriddle@mindspring.com Tue Jan 29 19:04:55 2002 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0U14sW22363 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:04:54 - 0600 (CST) Received: from pool-63.50.59.89.rlgh.grid.net ([63.50.59.89] helo=oemcomputer) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VjB9-0003HZ-00; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:04:48 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01c1a92a$66f16060$593b323f@oemcomputer> From: "Ed Riddle" To: Cc: "Rodmakers" References: Subject: Re: Heddon sizes Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:06:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: edriddle@mindspring.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Rick: Would you mind providing the taper and guide spacing for this rod? I'd appreciate it. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "swiftriverflyfishing" To: ; ; ; "Rodmakers" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Heddon sizes > Hi - Just a note to say that I have a 9 foot 1 3/4 F Heddon on Ebay right > now at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw- cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1801507638 > > I was surprised when I measured the ferrules because I did not know that > they made such a rod either. > > Rick T. > ---------- > >From: "Darrell Lee" > >To: , , "Rodmakers" > > >Subject: RE: Heddon sizes > >Date: Tue, Jan 29, 2002, 5:19 PM > > > > >You probably need to know the length of the rod and number of sections to > >figure that out. > > > >I unfortunately made a mistake and traded away a very scarce 1 3/4F 9 ft > >rod... A big Heddon collector told me I was full of beans that it was a 1 > >3/4F and that the rod didn't exisit... It does... it's the only one I've > >ever seen in that length and taper and it casts a 4wt... It was a early rod > >and had the original paper label and marked as such. > > > >Alas, it went to a good home and he loves to fish it... > > > >Darrell > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > >[mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Davesrods > >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:26 PM > >To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com; Rodmakers > >Subject: Re: Heddon sizes > > > > > >Speaking of Heddons does anybody know what size is a 1 3/4 ferrule?? Thanks > >Dave > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Harry Boyd" > >To: "Rodmakers" > >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:58 AM > >Subject: Heddon sizes > > > > > >> Friends, > >> > >> Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, > >> older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size > >> 12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know > >> approximately what size rod this is? My guess is > >> that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. > >> > >> All input appreciated, > >> Harry > >> > >> -- > >> > >> -- Harry Boyd -- > >> http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- > >> http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > >> > > > > >From harms1@pa.net Tue Jan 29 19:20:17 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0U1KGW27140 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:20:16 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp430.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.103.174]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B26EE4CD4F; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:16:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002001c1a92b$e85ecf60$ae676c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , , , References: Subject: Re: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:17:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Darrell, I think that, even at a price of only $14.95, the McKenzie "Bamboo Line" is priced about right. I don't know who actually manufacturers the line, but my experience with one a couple years back was really most unpleasant. One of my friends and I each bought one because they looked just beautiful to the eye. But when we first fished them, their "memory" was so severe that neither of us could straighten the lines during an entire afternoon and evening of fishing. Secondly, the finish is sort of a "pebble" surface--ostensibly meant to aid in reducing friction on the guides. But, with these lines, the reverse was the case. Neither of us could shoot our lines worth a damn, and the sound of it whizzing through the guides seemed more like a chain-saw than a fly line. Thirdly, when the light began to fail and the spinners came down, we were REALLY screwed. You can't see that line in half-light or shadow. Good luck with the evening hatch! Come to think of it, maybe $14.95 is still a little steep. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Lee" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie > I think your rod might be an HCH or D... a 6 wt... > > By the way, Sierra Trading Post is selling those "Bamboo Fly Fishing Lines" > again... they had 3,4,7 weights when I placed my order to try them out... at > $14.95 you can't go too far wrong... There's not too many left I suspect... > > Can anyone who bought them last time they were on sale tell me how you liked > them? > > Here's the links... I received it about an hour ago... > > > DT BAMBOO FLY FISHING LINE by MCKENZIE > Available in 3 and 7 weight. Gentle taper and smooth action. > #70921 Price:$14.95 Reg:$49.00 Save:$34.05 > http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xt_kc.asp?kc=WS74&pg=p&bn=70921 > > WF BAMBOO FLY FISHING LINE by MCKENZIE > Available in 3, 4, 6 and 7 weight. Gentle taper and smooth action. > #70922 Price:$14.95 Reg:$49.00 Save:$34.05 > http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xt_kc.asp?kc=WS74&pg=p&bn=70922 > > No financial interest... > > Regards, > > Darrell Lee > Anglers Collectibles Exchange > http://www.vfish.net > Info & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 U.S. Toll-Free Order Line (877) 452-2420 > > ================== > Angling, collecting & rod making books at: > http://www.vfish.net/files/acebooks7.PDF > ================== > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Robert Clarke > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:50 PM > To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > Subject: Re: Heddon sizes > > > > Harry, I have a #35 HGH Peerless. I think it is a nine footer or close. It > is a mean 6 weight. > > Rob > > >From: Harry Boyd > >Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com > >To: Rodmakers > >Subject: Heddon sizes > >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:58:40 -0600 > > > >Friends, > > > > Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, > >older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size > >12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know > >approximately what size rod this is? My guess is > >that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. > > > > All input appreciated, > > Harry > > > >-- > > > > -- Harry Boyd -- > >http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- > >http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > >From dryfly@erols.com Tue Jan 29 19:37:31 2002 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0U1bUW02790 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:37:30 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 208-58-192-59.s59.tnt1.abrd.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.192.59] helo=homeserver) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Vjgg-0002ie-00; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:37:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c1a92f$23ed5d00$3bc03ad0@homeserver> From: "Robert S Williams" To: , , , , References: <002001c1a92b$e85ecf60$ae676c0c@billharm> Subject: Re: Heddon sizes - "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:40:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: dryfly@erols.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bill I couldn't agree more, it was the worst line I ever casted, I couldn't get it off my reel quick enough. Bob Williams >From swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Tue Jan 29 20:16:58 2002 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0U2GvW15899 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:16:57 - 0600 (CST) Received: from user-2ive03c.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.0.108]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VkIq-0002B0-00; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:16:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:14:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Heddon sizes From: "swiftriverflyfishing" To: edriddle@mindspring.com CC: Rodmakers Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Reply-To: swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi - Yes, I will do so. It may take me a couple of days to get to it. Rick T. ---------- >From: "Ed Riddle" >To: >Cc: "Rodmakers" >Subject: Re: Heddon sizes >Date: Tue, Jan 29, 2002, 8:06 PM > >Rick: >Would you mind providing the taper and guide spacing for this rod? I'd >appreciate it. >Ed >----- Original Message ----- >From: "swiftriverflyfishing" >To: ; ; ; >"Rodmakers" >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:28 PM >Subject: Re: Heddon sizes > > >> Hi - Just a note to say that I have a 9 foot 1 3/4 F Heddon on Ebay right >> now at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw- cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1801507638 >> >> I was surprised when I measured the ferrules because I did not know >that >> they made such a rod either. >> >> Rick T. >> ---------- >> >From: "Darrell Lee" >> >To: , , "Rodmakers" >> >> >Subject: RE: Heddon sizes >> >Date: Tue, Jan 29, 2002, 5:19 PM >> > >> >> >You probably need to know the length of the rod and number of sections to >> >figure that out. >> > >> >I unfortunately made a mistake and traded away a very scarce 1 3/4F 9 ft >> >rod... A big Heddon collector told me I was full of beans that it was a 1 >> >3/4F and that the rod didn't exisit... It does... it's the only one I've >> >ever seen in that length and taper and it casts a 4wt... It was a early >rod >> >and had the original paper label and marked as such. >> > >> >Alas, it went to a good home and he loves to fish it... >> > >> >Darrell >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu >> >[mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Davesrods >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:26 PM >> >To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com; Rodmakers >> >Subject: Re: Heddon sizes >> > >> > >> >Speaking of Heddons does anybody know what size is a 1 3/4 ferrule?? >Thanks >> >Dave >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Harry Boyd" >> >To: "Rodmakers" >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:58 AM >> >Subject: Heddon sizes >> > >> > >> >> Friends, >> >> >> >> Quick question... I've got a 9' Heddon #35, >> >> older style, which has size 19 butt-mid and size >> >> 12 mid-tip ferrules. Might anyone know >> >> approximately what size rod this is? My guess is >> >> that it's a 7/8 weight, or thereabouts. >> >> >> >> All input appreciated, >> >> Harry >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> -- Harry Boyd -- >> >> http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- >> >> http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >> >> >> > >> >> > >From Grhghlndr@aol.com Tue Jan 29 20:54:39 2002 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0U2scW26277 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:54:38 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Grhghlndr@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id j.11b.ad0849c (16487); Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:54:17 -0500 (EST) From: Grhghlndr@aol.com Message-ID: <11b.ad0849c.2988ba58@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:54:16 EST Subject: Re: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie To: kenealyj@gwi.net, caneman@clnk.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11b.ad0849c.2988ba58_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: Grhghlndr@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_11b.ad0849c.2988ba58_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember one time when I was fishing the Muskegon in Michigan with Gary Borger and a couple of other guys and this subject came up about flylines needing to not be so smooth because that would cause too much drag on the guides. Gary said back then (5 years ago) that he was working on a line that would be bumpy so that it would flow through the guides better. I imagine this must be the line he was referring to. Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --part1_11b.ad0849c.2988ba58_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember one time when I was fishing the Muskegon in Michigan with Gary Borger and a couple of other guys and this subject came up about flylines needing to not be so smooth because that would cause too much drag on the guides.  Gary said back then (5 years ago) that he was working on a line that would be bumpy so that it would flow through the guides better.  I imagine this must be the line he was referring to.
Bret

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 --part1_11b.ad0849c.2988ba58_boundary-- >From Grhghlndr@aol.com Tue Jan 29 20:59:05 2002 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0U2x4W27041 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:59:04 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Grhghlndr@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id f.e4.21cf9643 (16487); Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:56:44 -0500 (EST) From: Grhghlndr@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:56:43 EST Subject: Re: Heddon sizes To: swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net, darrell@vfish.net, rodwrapp@swbell.net, fbcwin@3g.quik.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e4.21cf9643.2988baeb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: Grhghlndr@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_e4.21cf9643.2988baeb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Heddon # 17, BB that is 9' and has 1 3/4 ferrules on it. http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --part1_e4.21cf9643.2988baeb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Heddon # 17, BB that is 9' and has 1 3/4 ferrules on it.

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X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Nothing since 9:00 PM last night. >From avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 30 10:04:31 2002 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-05.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.37]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0UG4TW15937 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:04:29 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 15244 invoked by uid 666); 30 Jan 2002 16:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) (203.59.164.98) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 16:04:22 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131000719.00a791a0@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:10:37 +0800 To: From: Tony Young Subject: Carbide tips In-Reply-To: <007101c1a9a1$f0595660$419b66a6@DickKathyFuhrman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: avyoung@iinet.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I know this was run to ground a few months back but does anybody out there use tungsten carbide cutters to plane bamboo strips? If so, how long are you getting between sharpenings and does proper sharpening have any negative effect on the edge after a time? I know the edge is never as good as you can get with carbon steel (and all the other cutting edge type alloys) but is it good enough to be worth looking into? Tony /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler. " - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) /*************************************************************************/ >From ttalsma@macatawa.org Wed Jan 30 10:40:48 2002 Received: from sligh_nt.sligh.com ([208.163.7.219]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0UGelW18158 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:40:48 - 0600 (CST) Received: by mail with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:33:51 -0500 Received: from macatawa.org (TODDT [192.1.1.173]) by sligh_nt.sligh.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id D56AMAQH; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:33:44 -0500 From: Todd Talsma To: Rodmakers List Message-ID: <3C582142.D8B1F0A1@macatawa.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:37:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tips Site Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ttalsma@macatawa.org Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I just made some changes to the tips archive (again). Since the list is slow, I thought I'd let all of you know that I've added a chat room to the site. Click on the "Chat" button on the left navigation menu and follow the directions. I'll try to keep the window open and I'll see you there! -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: mailto://ttalsma@macatawa.org web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction >From stoltz10@attbi.com Wed Jan 30 12:14:45 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0UIEiW23870 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:14:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from TimsXP ([12.225.31.80]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127- 20010626) with SMTP id <20020130181438.XTCD10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@TimsXP> for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:14:38 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c1a9b9$f790f240$501fe10c@TimsXP> From: "Tim" To: Subject: need steelhead taper Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:14:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_001A_01C1A976.E923D800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail- Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X- MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: stoltz10@attbi.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------ =_NextPart_000_001A_01C1A976.E923D800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any suggestions for a steelhead taper? ------ =_NextPart_000_001A_01C1A976.E923D800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone have any suggestions for a = steelhead=20 taper?
------ =_NextPart_000_001A_01C1A976.E923D800-- >From GBuckley@aapg.org Wed Jan 30 12:20:14 2002 Received: from mail2.aapg.org ([208.191.18.170]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0UIKDW24242 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:20:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from Spooler by mail2.aapg.org (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO00DC89; 30 Jan 02 12:24:50 -0600 Received: from spooler by aapg.org (Mercury/32 v3.30); 30 Jan 02 12:24:28 -0600 Received: from [192.168.100.62] (192.168.100.62) by mail2.aapg.org (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG00DC88; 30 Jan 02 12:24:26 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:18:24 -0600 Subject: Neat old makers' brochures online From: Gerald Buckley To: rod Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Reply-To: GBuckley@aapg.org Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Japanese site ( http://homepage2.nifty.com/bamboorodbrothers/index.htm ) with great pix of classic printed materials (below) and generally good pix period: Thomas and Leonard brochures http://homepage2.nifty.com/bamboorodbrothers/basic2.htm http://homepage2.nifty.com/bamboorodbrothers/basic.htm Leonard 1975 http://homepage2.nifty.com/bamboorodbrothers/basic3.htm Brings up an interesting topic I haven't seen covered... how active are the makers in the asian countries these days? When I visited R.L. Winston several years ago Glenn was featured in an article in a Japanese (rodmakers?) magazine. Curious. Gerald >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 30 13:23:48 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0UJNlW27422 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:23:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip195.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.195]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0UJOju13466; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:24:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3C584801.29149A40@3g.quik.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:22:42 - 0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fiveside@net- gate.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Patching Cork References: <005001c1a90c$b71cbc60$e7495040@default> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5F83679BC0D63CC0725BDAA0" Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ---- ----------5F83679BC0D63CC0725BDAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, I suspect I'm not the first to say so, but I've had good luck filling crok pits with "Fix" brand wood patch, in the light mahogany color. It sticks well, is the same color as sanded cork, and seems to discolor with use at about the same rate as cork. You can smooth it out with a wet finger and get an almost perfect coat. And it's a lot simpler to use than cork dust, glue, and paint mixtures. Harry "William R. Fink" wrote: > Here's a subject that hasn't come up in a while. I've > never been truly happy with my cork repairs so I ran a > little experiment -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church --------------5F83679BC0D63CC0725BDAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill,

    I suspect I'm not the first to say so, but I've had good luck filling crok pits with "Fix" brand wood patch, in the light mahogany color.  It sticks well, is the same color as sanded cork, and seems to discolor with use at about the same rate as cork.  You can smooth it out with a wet finger and get an almost perfect coat.

    And it's a lot simpler to use than cork dust, glue, and paint mixtures.
    Harry

"William R. Fink" wrote:

  Here's a subject that hasn't come up in a while. I've never been truly happy with my cork repairs so I ran a little experiment
--
Harry Boyd

http://www.canerods.com/    Bamboo Rods
http://www.fbcwin.com/    Our Church
  --------------5F83679BC0D63CC0725BDAA0-- >From dnhayashida@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 13:31:32 2002 Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com (web14005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.121]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0UJVVW27897 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:31:31 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020130193131.47163.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.48.210.119] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:31:31 PST Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:31:31 -0800 (PST) From: Darryl Hayashida Subject: Re: Carbide tips To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131000719.00a791a0@mail.iinet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: dnhayashida@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I haven't used a regular plane blade with a carbide tip, I believe Harry Boyd has that setup, but I've been playing around with the carbide cutter inserts on my Morgan handmill. It is possible to get them almost just as sharp as regular tool steel if you use diamond grinding wheels and diamond paste to sharpen carbide. The intial sharpness may not be quite as good, but they sure hold the edge a lot longer. Darryl Hayashida P.S. Notice my new email address. I finally got a cable modem and don't need AOL anymore. Cable modem sure is fast! --- Tony Young wrote: > I know this was run to ground a few months back but > does anybody out there > use tungsten carbide cutters to plane bamboo strips? > If so, how long are you getting between sharpenings > and does proper > sharpening have any negative effect on the edge > after a time? I know the > edge is never as good as you can get with carbon > steel (and all the other > cutting edge type alloys) but is it good enough to > be worth looking into? > > Tony > > > /*************************************************************************/ > AV Young > > Visit my web site at: > www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html > > "Make everything as simple as possible, but not > simpler. " > - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) > /*************************************************************************/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 30 13:43:38 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0UJhbW28559 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:43:37 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip195.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.195]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0UJj9u234568 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:45:10 - 0800 Message-ID: <3C584CCA.258CCE4D@3g.quik.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:43:06 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rodmakers List-serv Subject: Re: Carbide tips References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131000719.00a791a0@mail.iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Tony, All I use is carbide blades. They don't get quite as sharp as steel, but still plenty sharp to cut bamboo. No nodes lifted, etc, with a well-tuned plane. I use two planes -- a grooved plane to take me within 3-4 thous., and a flat soled planed for the last little bit. That's all I use -- no scrapers. I have two blades for each plane and sharpen all four blades after every rod or two. I change blades in each plane after each six strips, although it's not really necessary. Just my habit. They might literally stay sharp for several rods, if I could keep from banging them into the forms and knocking chips out of the blade. Let me know what specific questions you have... Harry Tony Young wrote: > I know this was run to ground a few months back but does anybody out there > use tungsten carbide cutters to plane bamboo strips? -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church >From jerryy@webtv.net Wed Jan 30 14:03:34 2002 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105- 1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0UK3WW29681 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:03:33 - 0600 (CST) Received: from storefull-2115.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull- 2115.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.155]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 3951615D4; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull- 2115.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id MAA07997; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:03:32 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRLCjC6NMtb9n9EMluZ/yV6RrDT8wIVAIUTg0nOxNom+6Ry9eQtnW9D55Mv From: jerryy@webtv.net (Jerry Young) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:03:31 -0500 (EST) To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu (Rodmakers List-serv) Subject: Re: Carbide tips Message-ID: <20237-3C585193-612@storefull- 2115.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Harry Boyd 's message of Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:43:06 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Reply-To: jerryy@webtv.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Harry - Are those blades carbon steel with a piece of carbide brazed to the end? If so hi-temp silver brazed? Thanks, Jerry Young >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 30 14:15:52 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0UKFoW00546 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:15:50 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip195.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.195]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0UKHJu124730; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:17:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3C585452.613AC2A2@3g.quik.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:15:14 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry Young , Rodmakers List-serv Subject: Re: Carbide tips References: <20237-3C585193-612@storefull- 2115.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Jerry, Yes, they are standard Stanley blades which have had the tips ground off, and a matching sized piece of carbide brazed on the end. Total carbide length is about 3/8". I cannot tell you "how" they were brazed on. I simply don't know enough about the processes. There is a distinct gold look the the brazing material, if that helps any. Harry Jerry Young wrote: > Harry - Are those blades carbon steel with a piece of carbide brazed to > the end? If so hi-temp silver brazed? -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church >From TSmithwick@aol.com Wed Jan 30 14:34:10 2002 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0UKY9W01852 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:34:09 - 0600 (CST) Received: from TSmithwick@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.15c.7a4c386 (15886) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:33:59 - 0500 (EST) Received: from web48.aolmail.aol.com (web48.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.9]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID81- 0130153359; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:33:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:33:58 EST From: TSmithwick@aol.com Subject: Re: Carbide tips To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <15c.7a4c386.2989b2b7@aol.com> Reply-To: TSmithwick@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN A couple points on the carbide inserts. It's my understanding that the heat from welding, brazing, etc is harmless to carbide, as the hardness cannot be drawn out, as is the case with steel. Also, the edge chips that Harry mentioned look like the result of metal fatigue to me. I think they come from vibration of the thin edge in use, and when you start to see them, it's time to regrind. A piece of metal that is broken or torn off will show a bright surface in the break area. If you see a dull micro chrystalline appearance, the culprit is most likely fatigue. What are you seeing, Harry? >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 30 14:58:56 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0UKwtW03304 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:58:55 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip197.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.197]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0UL0PJ203696 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:00:25 - 0800 Message-ID: <3C585E6E.9AA512DF@3g.quik.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:58:22 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Carbide tips References: <15c.7a4c386.2989b2b7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Tom, Since you're the one who got me started with this, I'll quickly defer to your experiences. I really haven't had a big enough problem with chips to remember what they look like. I think I've got one that needs re-grinding though, so I'll look at it when I get home tonight and report back. One more thing -- the 35* edges seem to hold up better than shallower grinds, at least for me. Harry TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: > A couple points on the carbide inserts. It's my understanding that the heat from welding, brazing, etc is harmless to carbide, as the hardness cannot be drawn out, as is the case with steel. > Also, the edge chips that Harry mentioned look like the result of metal fatigue to me. I think they come from vibration of the thin edge in use, and when you start to see them, it's time to regrind. > A piece of metal that is broken or torn off will show a bright surface in the break area. If you see a dull micro chrystalline appearance, the culprit is most likely fatigue. What are you seeing, Harry? -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church >From pohl@earthlink.net Wed Jan 30 15:15:23 2002 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0ULFMW04421 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:15:22 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 1cust199.tnt2.albany.ny.da.uu.net ([63.20.208.199] helo=pohl) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16W24f-0004Ia-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:15:22 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c1a9d2$7307c580$c7d0143f@crd.ge.com> From: "Mark & Kathy Pohl" To: References: <002001c1a92b$e85ecf60$ae676c0c@billharm> <001501c1a92f$23ed5d00$3bc03ad0@homeserver> Subject: rod bag, ferrule plug question Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:09:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: pohl@earthlink.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN i'm in the process of laying out a rod bag for a two tipped rod. how do some of you guys arrange things within the bag? i was thinking about the butt on one side with the ferrule plug down into the bag (should plug point up?)and the 2 tips in separate comparments (tip tops up) on the other side of the bag. does the ferrule plug normally stay on the rod or do you guys store it in a little pocket on the bag? why do you need the plug when the rod is in the bag? -Mark >From pohl@earthlink.net Wed Jan 30 15:24:14 2002 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0ULOEW05141 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:24:14 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 1cust199.tnt2.albany.ny.da.uu.net ([63.20.208.199] helo=pohl) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16W2DE-0001Ry-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:24:13 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c1a9d3$af81d680$c7d0143f@crd.ge.com> From: "Mark & Kathy Pohl" To: Subject: rod tube size Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:18:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1A9A9.C56E6C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: pohl@earthlink.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1A9A9.C56E6C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable when ordering a tube, what size tube should i get? how much longer than = the rod should the tube be? is a 42" tube 42" inside? - Mark=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1A9A9.C56E6C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

when ordering a tube, what size tube = should i=20 get? how much longer than the rod should the tube be? is a 42" tube = 42"=20 inside?
- Mark
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1A9A9.C56E6C80-- >From horsesho@ptd.net Wed Jan 30 16:09:22 2002 Received: from smtph.ha-net.ptd.net (smtph.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.88]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0UM9LW07838 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:09:21 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 9792 invoked by uid 50005); 30 Jan 2002 22:09:20 -0000 Received: from horsesho@ptd.net by smtph.ha-net.ptd.net by uid 50002 with qmail-scanner-1.10 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4183. . Clear:0. Processed in 0.843977 secs); 30 Jan 2002 22:09:20 -0000 Received: from du182.cli.ptd.net (HELO ptd.net) ([204.186.33.182]) (envelope-sender ) by smtph.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Jan 2002 22:09:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3C586CF0.7030804@ptd.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:00:16 -0500 From: "Marty D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pohl@earthlink.net CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: rod bag, ferrule plug question References: <002001c1a92b$e85ecf60$ae676c0c@billharm> <001501c1a92f$23ed5d00$3bc03ad0@homeserver> <000c01c1a9d2$7307c580$c7d0143f@crd.ge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: horsesho@ptd.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN The purpose of the ferrule plug is to keep out dust and to keep the inside of the female from tarnishing (which is the reason I believe that perfectly fitting ferrules tighten and need to be refitted after a couple months). The butt and tip sections are put in the bag ferrule first with the ferrule plug installed. Marty Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: >i'm in the process of laying out a rod bag for a two tipped rod. how do some >of you guys arrange things within the bag? i was thinking about the butt on >one side with the ferrule plug down into the bag (should plug point up?)and >the 2 tips in separate comparments (tip tops up) on the other side of the >bag. does the ferrule plug normally stay on the rod or do you guys store it >in a little pocket on the bag? why do you need the plug when the rod is in >the bag? -Mark > > > >From horsesho@ptd.net Wed Jan 30 16:18:52 2002 Received: from smtpc.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpc.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.83]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0UMIqW08507 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:18:52 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 16828 invoked by uid 50005); 30 Jan 2002 22:18:12 -0000 Received: from horsesho@ptd.net by smtpc.ha-net.ptd.net by uid 50002 with qmail-scanner-1.10 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4183. . Clear:0. Processed in 0.679755 secs); 30 Jan 2002 22:18:12 -0000 Received: from du182.cli.ptd.net (HELO ptd.net) ([204.186.33.182]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpc.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Jan 2002 22:18:11 -0000 Message-ID: <3C586F2E.5080505@ptd.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:09:50 -0500 From: "Marty D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pohl@earthlink.net, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: rod tube size References: <001701c1a9d3$af81d680$c7d0143f@crd.ge.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040209060905020808010906" Reply-To: horsesho@ptd.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --------------040209060905020808010906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is always best to order the tube longer and cut to size once you receive it. You can remove either the bottom or cap&coller by dropping a piece of steel pipe (a little smaller than the inside of the rod tube) in the tube and "popping off" either end. Cut to length and reinstall. Sometimes if the friction fit is not tight enough I use the blue Locktite adhesive. Marty Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote: > when ordering a tube, what size tube should i get? how much longer > than the rod should the tube be? is a 42" tube 42" inside? > > - Mark > --------------040209060905020808010906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is always best to order the tube longer and cut to size once you receive it. You can remove either the bottom or cap&coller by dropping a piece of steel pipe (a little smaller than the inside of the rod tube) in the tube and "popping off" either  end. Cut to length and reinstall. Sometimes if the friction fit is not tight enough I use the blue Locktite adhesive. Marty

Mark & Kathy Pohl wrote:
when ordering a tube, what size tube should i get? how much longer than the rod should the tube be? is a 42" tube 42" inside?
- Mark

--------------040209060905020808010906-- >From robertgkope@attbi.com Wed Jan 30 17:05:03 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0UN52W10953 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:05:02 - 0600 (CST) Received: from c1648311a ([12.230.115.141]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020130230457.JZZU26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@c1648311a>; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:04:57 +0000 Message-ID: <002801c1a9e4$acac5fa0$0300a8c0@attbi.com> From: "Robert Kope" To: , References: <001701c1a9d3$af81d680$c7d0143f@crd.ge.com> Subject: Re: rod tube size Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:20:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A9A1.9E4D9D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: robertgkope@attbi.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A9A1.9E4D9D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At least a couple of sources, REC and Goldenwitch, (no financial = interest in either, but satisfied customer of both) sell rod tubes with = the collars unattached. You simply measure the length carefully, cut = the tube to length, and glue the collar on. I just use epoxy. -- Robert ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark & Kathy Pohl=20 To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: rod tube size when ordering a tube, what size tube should i get? how much longer = than the rod should the tube be? is a 42" tube 42" inside? - Mark=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A9A1.9E4D9D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At least a couple of sources, REC and = Goldenwitch,=20 (no financial interest in either, but satisfied customer of both) sell = rod tubes=20 with the collars unattached.  You simply measure the length = carefully, cut=20 the tube to length, and glue the collar on.  I just use=20 epoxy.
 
-- Robert
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark = & Kathy=20 Pohl
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, = 2002 1:18=20 PM
Subject: rod tube size

when ordering a tube, what size tube = should i=20 get? how much longer than the rod should the tube be? is a 42" = tube 42"=20 inside?
- Mark=20
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A9A1.9E4D9D40-- >From stoltz10@attbi.com Wed Jan 30 18:04:39 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0V04cW12947 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:04:38 - 0600 (CST) Received: from TimsXP ([12.225.31.80]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020131000429.CSYN5382.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@TimsXP> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:04:29 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c1a9ea$d6d06eb0$501fe10c@TimsXP> From: "Tim" To: Subject: 7613 swelled butt modification Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:04:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1A9A7.C8659E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: stoltz10@attbi.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1A9A7.C8659E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will it change action if the butt section is .34-.35 instead of .36, = most of which will be under the handle? ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1A9A7.C8659E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Will it change action if the butt = section is=20 .34-.35 instead of .36, most of which will be under the=20 handle?
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1A9A7.C8659E60-- >From channer@frontier.net Wed Jan 30 18:12:47 2002 Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0V0ClW13394 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:12:47 - 0600 (CST) Received: from frontier.net (ppp1.pm3-01.durango.frontier.net [66.118.193.1]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41987A56F; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:12:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C588BFF.5591D40D@frontier.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:12:47 -0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stoltz10@attbi.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: 7613 swelled butt modification References: <001101c1a9ea$d6d06eb0$501fe10c@TimsXP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN No > Tim wrote: > > Will it change action if the butt section is .34-.35 instead of .36, > most of which will be under the handle? >From fquinchat@locl.net Wed Jan 30 18:26:14 2002 Received: from mail.locl.net (root@lightning.locl.net [63.149.55.2]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0V0QDW14008 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:26:13 - 0600 (CST) Received: from oemcomputer (an481.locl.net [63.144.71.191]) by mail.locl.net (8.11.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id g0V0Pft26793; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:25:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <03f201c1a9f0$5d08fd80$9947903f@oemcomputer> From: "Dennis Bertram" To: , , "Douglas P. Easton" Cc: , , Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:43:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: fquinchat@locl.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Doug, Yes, you cast that rod at the Grand. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Douglas P. Easton To: fquinchat@locl.net ; rcurry@ttlc.net ; TSmithwick@aol.com Cc: alspicer99@yahoo.com ; tedknott@cogeco.ca ; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:48 PM Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper >Dennis, > >Is this the Rod that you had at Grand Gathering? If so, I liked it a lot. I >also have a 9' Divine which 4 wt that is a bit quicker. .Olaf Borge liked >that one. Al, you might like that one. > >-Doug > > >11:29 PM 1/28/2002 -0500, Dennis Bertram wrote: >>This 9' 3wt taper is one of my favorites. I built it with a swelled butt >>and love to use it to fish soft hackles on the Manistee. It is rather slow >>and I can relight my cigar during the back cast. >> >>Dennis Bertram >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Reed Curry >>To: TSmithwick@aol.com >>Cc: alspicer99@yahoo.com ; tedknott@cogeco.ca >>; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu >> >>Date: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:33 PM >>Subject: Re: looking for 9' 3 piece 4 wt taper >> >> >> >Ah, the Wrath of Curry...I had that once with some very hot Beef Korma. >> >You really don't want to stray too far from porcelain. >> > >> >Now Tom, that rod you traded me, which is still one of my favorites, is >> >a medium action 3wt.. Even Carlos Santos liked it, and you know how he >> >usually feels about any rod longer than 6'. >> > >> >Best regards, >> >Reed >> >http://www.overmywaders.com/ >> > >> >TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: >> > >> >> Al - At the risk of incurring The Wrath of Curry, the reason you can't >>find a >> >> light line 9 foot taper is that there aren't very many. The problem is >>that >> >> it takes so much cane to support the length and still produce the medium >>to >> >> fast actions which most people prefer, that the weight of a 3-4 weight is >>not >> >> all that much different than a 6-7 weight. It's a little like sleeving >>an >> >> elephant gun to shoot 22 LR, and hauling the thing around to pop >>squirrels. >> >> There are two basic solutions: >> >> >> > >> > > >Doug Easton >Tonawanda, NY > ><> ><> ><> > > >From KyleDruey@aol.com Wed Jan 30 18:50:47 2002 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0V0okW14620 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:50:46 - 0600 (CST) Received: from KyleDruey@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.d2.130c5e97 (15892) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:50:31 - 0500 (EST) Received: from web34.aolmail.aol.com (web34.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.10]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID87-0130195031; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:50:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:50:31 EST From: KyleDruey@aol.com Subject: Re: rod tube size To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Reply-To: KyleDruey@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Here's another option for a rod tube: http://www.aladysangle.com/Fs.html Send an email to Lisa, tell her what you need and she can get it for you. The basic rod tube is about $15.50 which includes: cordura sheathing over 1.5" pvc pipe, zippered top, foam padding on each end, internal compartments. Many other more expensive styles are available. I like the pvc because it doesn't crush and is fairly light-weight, and the cordura looks good and is durable. Very nice folks to do business with. Kyle In a message dated Wed, 30 Jan 2002 6:11:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Robert Kope" writes: > > > > > > > > At least a couple of sources, REC and Goldenwitch, > (no financial interest in either, but satisfied customer of both) sell rod tubes > with the collars unattached. You simply measure the length carefully, cut > the tubeto length, and glue the collar on. I just use > epoxy. > > -- Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Mark & Kathy > Pohl > To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 > PM > Subject: rod tube size > > > when ordering a tube, what size tube should i > get?how much longer than the rod should the tube be? is a 42" tube 42" > inside? > -Mark >From jojo@ipa.net Wed Jan 30 20:27:20 2002 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0V2RKW21300 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:27:20 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 209-128-150-172.dial-up.ipa.net ([209.128.150.172] helo=default) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16W6wZ-00004w-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:27:19 -0500 Message-ID: <009001c1a9fe$af8682e0$ac9680d1@default> From: "Jojo DeLancier" To: References: <002001c1a92b$e85ecf60$ae676c0c@billharm> <001501c1a92f$23ed5d00$3bc03ad0@homeserver> <000c01c1a9d2$7307c580$c7d0143f@crd.ge.com> Subject: Re: rod bag, ferrule plug question Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:26:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: jojo@ipa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I put the butt section inside the bag with the reel seat first. Why? I've seen a few tiptops that were straightened out due to the reel seat banging them against the top of the rod tube. Also, contributing to this problem is the rod tube having too much length, which allows the rod wiggle-room by which to accomplish the tiptop straightening. M-D From: "Mark & Kathy Pohl" > i'm in the process of laying out a rod bag for a two tipped rod. how do some > of you guys arrange things within the bag? i was thinking about the butt on > one side with the ferrule plug down into the bag (should plug point up?)and > the 2 tips in separate comparments (tip tops up) on the other side of the > bag. does the ferrule plug normally stay on the rod or do you guys store it > in a little pocket on the bag? why do you need the plug when the rod is in > the bag? -Mark > >From oakmere@carol.net Wed Jan 30 20:33:05 2002 Received: from mx01.gvl.sys.nuvox.net (mx01.gvl.sys.nuvox.net [64.89.70.83]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0V2X4W22370 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:33:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from troutbeck (216.215.134.20.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.134.20]) by mx01.gvl.sys.nuvox.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g0V2Wnn16888 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:32:49 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020130214518.007e0840@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: oakmere/pop.carol.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:45:18 -0500 To: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu From: "Frank W. Paul" Subject: RE: Pebbly Fly Lines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: oakmere@carol.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Folks: I remember several fly lines I purchased maybe 15 years ago that were pebbly as has been discussed. I think they were made by a Canadian company called Phoenix. As I remember the seller at the time said the pebbles would improve casting distance. My use did not support that theory. Even worse was the lines wanted to "curl" a lot - had a lot of coil memory. I think they were eventually used for hanging plants. Best, Frank Frank Paul, GreyFox TroutBeck Fly and Rod Seneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753-8121 fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work), Clemson University; 864-656-7471 oakmere@carol.net (home), South Carolina; 864-882-0077 >From tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 20:39:42 2002 Received: from web11201.mail.yahoo.com (web11201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.171]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0V2dfW23550 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:39:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020131023939.36229.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.255.50] by web11201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:39:39 PST Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:39:39 -0800 (PST) From: timothy troester Subject: RE: Pebbly Fly Lines To: oakmere@carol.net, rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020130214518.007e0840@pop3.norton.antivirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN laser lines were pebbly. are they still around? i remember they were larger in diameter and took up more room on the reel. timothy --- "Frank W. Paul" wrote: > Hi Folks: > > I remember several fly lines I purchased maybe 15 > years ago that were > pebbly as has been discussed. I think they were made > by a Canadian company > called Phoenix. As I remember the seller at the time > said the pebbles would > improve casting distance. My use did not support > that theory. Even worse > was the lines wanted to "curl" a lot - had a lot of > coil memory. I think > they were eventually used for hanging plants. > > Best, Frank > Frank Paul, GreyFox > TroutBeck Fly and Rod > Seneca, SC > > Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; > 570-753-8121 > fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work), Clemson University; > 864-656-7471 > oakmere@carol.net (home), South Carolina; > 864-882-0077 > ===== "Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, - "If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Jan 30 22:16:35 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0V4GXW04313 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:16:33 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip186.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.186]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0V4I0V68732; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:18:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3C58C554.12B86898@3g.quik.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:17:24 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kenealyj@gwi.net, Rodmakers Subject: Re: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie References: <062801c1a915$1cd65360$8a76130c@caneman> <000601c1a918$47e231c0$8994c3d8@salvelinus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All, I bought a Borger recommended McKenzie line for my 2 weight about five years ago. I love it, and it's still going strong. One neat thing is they mark each line at about 30 feet so that you'll know when the taper is beyond the tip and you can shoot line most effectively. If they weren't so expensive and so hard to find, I'd buy them every time. Oh yeah, I like the pale green color as well... lots easier on the eyes than flourescent yellow or orange, but still visible. Harry John Kenealy wrote: > My understanding is that Gary Borger designed the McKenzie lines > deliberately with small "bumps." -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 30 22:33:46 2002 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-03.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.35]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0V4XiW05258 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:33:44 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 1830 invoked by uid 666); 31 Jan 2002 04:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) (203.59.103.145) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 04:32:17 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131123747.00a6edc0@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:38:31 +0800 To: dnhayashida@yahoo.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: Tony Young Subject: Re: Carbide tips In-Reply-To: <20020130193131.47163.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131000719.00a791a0@mail.iinet.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: avyoung@iinet.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks Darryl. Interesting stuff. Tony At 11:31 AM 1/30/02 -0800, Darryl Hayashida wrote: >I haven't used a regular plane blade with a carbide >tip, I believe Harry Boyd has that setup, but I've >been playing around with the carbide cutter inserts on >my Morgan handmill. It is possible to get them almost >just as sharp as regular tool steel if you use diamond >grinding wheels and diamond paste to sharpen carbide. >The intial sharpness may not be quite as good, but >they sure hold the edge a lot longer. >Darryl Hayashida >P.S. Notice my new email address. I finally got a >cable modem and don't need AOL anymore. Cable modem >sure is fast! > >--- Tony Young wrote: > > I know this was run to ground a few months back but > > does anybody out there > > use tungsten carbide cutters to plane bamboo strips? > > If so, how long are you getting between sharpenings > > and does proper > > sharpening have any negative effect on the edge > > after a time? I know the > > edge is never as good as you can get with carbon > > steel (and all the other > > cutting edge type alloys) but is it good enough to > > be worth looking into? > > > > Tony > > > > > > >/*************************************************************************/ > > AV Young > > > > Visit my web site at: > > www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html > > > > "Make everything as simple as possible, but not > > simpler. " > > - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) > > >/*************************************************************************/ > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ >From tedknott@cogeco.ca Wed Jan 30 23:49:33 2002 Received: from fep3.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0V5nWW07159 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:49:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from teekay35 (d141-167-147.home.cgocable.net [24.141.167.147]) by fep3.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 03556274B for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:49:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c1aa1a$ce80be60$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Ted" To: Subject: Ferrule on Hardy Rod Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:47:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: tedknott@cogeco.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have been asked to make a replacement tip for a Hardy Gold Medal rod. This is not a problem except for removing the existing ferrule, a type I've not seen before. The ferrule is in good shape and I plan to re-use it. Usually, I would cut the ferrule off the existing bamboo, then drill out the core in my lathe. My concern is that all the male ferrules have a spring loaded detent about an 1/8" up from the end of the slide. When the male and female are engaged the detent pin snaps into a detent hole in the female. I don't want to disturb this feature by accidently drilling into the spring mechanism. Has anyone worked on this type of ferrule? What should I watch out for? >From avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Jan 30 23:54:40 2002 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0V5sbW07361 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:54:38 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 20875 invoked by uid 666); 31 Jan 2002 05:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) (203.59.189.118) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 05:54:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131131123.00a753b0@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:15:38 +0800 To: jojo@ipa.net, From: Tony Young Subject: Re: rod bag, ferrule plug question In-Reply-To: <009001c1a9fe$af8682e0$ac9680d1@default> References: <002001c1a92b$e85ecf60$ae676c0c@billharm> <001501c1a92f$23ed5d00$3bc03ad0@homeserver> <000c01c1a9d2$7307c580$c7d0143f@crd.ge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: avyoung@iinet.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I've always put the rod in the bag butt first. It's the obvious way to do it after all. When fishing how do you put the rod against a tree? Which end is least prone to damage in the event of a shock loading in the event of dropping the tube assuming it's right way up? I've always found the tradition of tip end to the bottom of the bag a strange one and all I can think of as being the reason is it takes less fabric to make the rod bag that way and in the early days fabric was so scarce and expensive every inch counted. Tony At 08:26 PM 1/30/02 -0600, Jojo DeLancier wrote: >I put the butt section inside the bag with the reel seat first. Why? I've >seen a few tiptops that were straightened out due to the reel seat banging >them against the top of the rod tube. Also, contributing to this problem is >the rod tube having too much length, which allows the rod wiggle-room by >which to accomplish the tiptop straightening. > >M-D > > >From: "Mark & Kathy Pohl" > > > > i'm in the process of laying out a rod bag for a two tipped rod. how do >some > > of you guys arrange things within the bag? i was thinking about the butt >on > > one side with the ferrule plug down into the bag (should plug point >up?)and > > the 2 tips in separate comparments (tip tops up) on the other side of the > > bag. does the ferrule plug normally stay on the rod or do you guys store >it > > in a little pocket on the bag? why do you need the plug when the rod is in > > the bag? -Mark > > /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ >From live2huntfish@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 01:11:04 2002 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0V7B3W09163 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:11:03 - 0600 (CST) Received: from host12.216-241-173.webaccess.net (HELO RittA) (216.241.173.12) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 07:10:57 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Alan Ritt" To: "Rodmakers" Subject: RE: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:05:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3C58C554.12B86898@3g.quik.com> Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This sounds like a completely different line. The 2 I had were designed specifically for bamboo and were colored a dark tan or light brown, I think to imitate the color of silk. No other colors were offered in this series. Al Ritt live2huntfish@yahoo.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Harry Boyd Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:17 PM To: kenealyj@gwi.net; Rodmakers Subject: Re: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie All, I bought a Borger recommended McKenzie line for my 2 weight about five years ago. I love it, and it's still going strong. One neat thing is they mark each line at about 30 feet so that you'll know when the taper is beyond the tip and you can shoot line most effectively. If they weren't so expensive and so hard to find, I'd buy them every time. Oh yeah, I like the pale green color as well... lots easier on the eyes than flourescent yellow or orange, but still visible. Harry John Kenealy wrote: > My understanding is that Gary Borger designed the McKenzie lines > deliberately with small "bumps." -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >From dryfly@erols.com Thu Jan 31 01:49:29 2002 Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0V7nPW09800 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:49:29 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 208-58-200-141.s681.tnt2.abrd.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.200.141] helo=homeserver) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16WByF-0002yZ-00; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:49:24 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c1aa2c$47d7ea20$8dc83ad0@homeserver> From: "Robert S Williams" To: , , "Rodmakers" References: <062801c1a915$1cd65360$8a76130c@caneman> <000601c1a918$47e231c0$8994c3d8@salvelinus> <3C58C554.12B86898@3g.quik.com> Subject: Re: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:52:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: dryfly@erols.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I think there are two different McKenzie lines that people are mixing up. I believe the line Harry describes was produced well before the McKenzie "bamboo line" was. I own both lines and the older one definitely has the "pebbles" or bumps in the line and the brown shooting mark at the 30 foot mark. I personally like this line and while it is loud going through the guides it does cast and fish well. On the other hand the tan "bamboo line" I found very difficult to shoot through the guides, it coiled terribly and I took it off the reel right after fishing it for the first time. FYI, my personal line preference is the Orvis HyFlote Extra, it was pale yellow and the double tapers were shorter than Sci Angler and Cortland and fit well on small reels. However, Orivs no longer offers them as double tapers (I did find and buy two of the discontinued DT's at the Somerset NY Fly Fishing Show last weekend). Orvis still offers the same line as a weight forward and are labeled as Silver Label lines. Bob Williams >From Grhghlndr@aol.com Thu Jan 31 07:57:04 2002 Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VDv3W14749 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:57:03 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Grhghlndr@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id w.9c.1a3c10f6 (3702); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:53:10 -0500 (EST) From: Grhghlndr@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.1a3c10f6.298aa645@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:53:09 EST Subject: Re: "bamboo fly fishing lines" by Mckenzie To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com, kenealyj@gwi.net, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9c.1a3c10f6.298aa645_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: Grhghlndr@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_9c.1a3c10f6.298aa645_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit these lines are on Ebay all the time for sale under fly lines http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --part1_9c.1a3c10f6.298aa645_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit these lines are on Ebay all the time for sale under fly lines

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 --part1_9c.1a3c10f6.298aa645_boundary-- >From bluefin_1999@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 08:11:26 2002 Received: from web13202.mail.yahoo.com (web13202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.187]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0VEBPW15402 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:11:25 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020131141125.38480.qmail@web13202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.197.75.250] by web13202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:11:25 PST Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:11:25 -0800 (PST) From: blue fin Subject: Smith River Please HELP!!!! To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: bluefin_1999@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Non Cane related but......pretty serious stuff. Thanks for the bandwidth. B.F. The local Smith river rancheria has drafted a petition to allow tribal members to drift gillnet salmon, shellfish and "other non endangered species" on tribal lands at the mouth of the Smith river that exceed state limits. Furthermore they have set up their own Fish and Wildlife commission to regulate and oversee the fishery. Guides on the Smith are reporting that many of the steelhead they have been seeing this past week are sporting fresh net marks and locals are outraged. We all know how the tribal gillnets nearly wiped out the fall Salmon runs on the Klamath and have decimated the winter steelhead and spring runs (the fall salmon fishery was at an all time low when regulations limiting the netting save the fishery in the early 90s) and now under the disguise of "subsistence fishing" they are looking to decimate another fishery. It would take just three years of netting to wipe out the Smith river steelhead run and four years for the fall salmon run. We oppose any and all petitions to allow netting of any nature on any California river but we need your support as we lobby Cal Fish and Game Commission to aggressively enforce the current commercial and sport fishing laws of the state. Otherwise the future of fisheries on other rivers that run through tribal lands are at risk. Feel free to forward this message to the boards and chat rooms. This is our opinion and you should voice yours to the Fish and Game Commission NOW! Before is a sample letter that I sent to the commission and we urge you do do the same. Who to contact: For more info you may E-mail Mr. Robert Treanor Executive Director of the California Fish and Game Commission at rtreanor@dfg.ca.gov Or write to: State of California, Fish and Game Commission 1416 9th Street -- Room 1320 Sacramento, CA 95814 Dear Mr. Treanor: I wish to express my opinion on the Smith River rancheria's desire to drift gillnet salmon and steelhead on the Smith river. This fishery is composed of mostly native steelhead and wild king and coho salmon. To allow gillneting of any sort would decimate these fisheries in as little as four years. We (all) know too well the problems concerning the Klamath river gillnets and I urge you to use all resources available to aggressively enforce all current state F&G regulations on the Smith river. If this fishery was lost it would have a far greater impact on the local economy. This fishery pumps ten of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars into the local economy and no gillnetting should be allowed for any reason. The local tribes are short sighted and gillnetting for a few seasons will not make any difference in their future. This past week guides are reporting that they are seeing fish with net marks in numbers that imply that the rancheria is already gillnetting on the lower river. Please make the resources available protect these valuable fisheries before they are lost forever. Sincerely, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From beadman@mac.com Thu Jan 31 08:53:47 2002 Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VErlW17856 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:53:47 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [131.182.102.70] ([131.182.102.70]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06984; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:47:33 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: beadman@mail.mac.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:44:20 -0500 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: Claude Freaner Subject: Fwd: Superbowl Status, Draft Web Page Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: beadman@mac.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Sorry for the bandwidth, but thought some of you might like to see this: Claude >While you're getting your pretzels and beer ready for the Superbowl, >be sure not to miss this. >This and a similar zoom-in of the Olymipics were requested by Fox >and NBC respectively. > You can preview the draft of the page and a small version of the >zoom at: http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/topost/superzoom.htm >From flyfish@gbronline.com Thu Jan 31 09:04:58 2002 Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VF4wW18649 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:04:58 - 0600 (CST) Received: from gbronline.com [12.145.236.132] by mail.gbronline.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.05) id AC216538006E; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:00:49 -0600 Message-ID: <3C595D44.6098BA3B@gbronline.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:05:40 -0600 From: Greg Kuntz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rodmakers Subject: North Dakota Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: flyfish@gbronline.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Does anyone out there know anything about the fishing in SW North Dakota?--Dickinson, to be specific. >From what I can tell, there are lakes, but I can't tell about streams-- Thanks >From avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 31 09:13:26 2002 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-05.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.37]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0VFDNW19307 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:13:23 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 29412 invoked by uid 666); 31 Jan 2002 15:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) (203.59.164.36) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 15:13:10 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131231731.00a742a0@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:19:31 +0800 To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: Tony Young Subject: satellite views In-Reply-To: <20020130193131.47163.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131000719.00a791a0@mail.iinet.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: avyoung@iinet.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN That's a pretty good view of the football dome but where do I look for a space shot of the Melbourne Cricket Ground? Tony /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. " - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) /*************************************************************************/ >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 09:18:46 2002 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VFIjW19737 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:18:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from pool0477.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.147.222] helo=computer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WIz6-0004qI-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:18:44 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c1aa6a$91cef7c0$de93b3d1@computer> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: Subject: Tube which end up? Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:18:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1AA27.8229ABA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1AA27.8229ABA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do this to keep those keep those ferrules safe, Take 1/2" of closed cell foam and cut it into a circle. Push it into the = bottom of the tube with a dowel or broom handle. The foam can be cut = from a cheap Morey Boogie type kick board. This will absorb any shock = the sections my receive while in the tubes. 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Do this to keep those keep those = ferrules=20 safe,
 
Take 1/2" of closed cell foam and cut = it into a=20 circle. Push it into the bottom of the tube with a dowel or broom = handle. The=20 foam can be cut from a cheap Morey Boogie type kick board.  This = will=20 absorb any shock the sections my receive while in the = tubes.
 
Adam
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1AA27.8229ABA0-- >From beadman@mac.com Thu Jan 31 09:38:09 2002 Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VFc8W20914 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:38:08 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [131.182.102.70] ([131.182.102.70]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07185; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:37:52 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: beadman@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131231731.00a742a0@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131000719.00a791a0@mail.iinet.net.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20020131231731.00a742a0@mail.iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:36:57 -0500 To: avyoung@iinet.net.au From: Claude Freaner Subject: Re: satellite views Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: beadman@mac.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN At 11:19 PM +0800 on 1/31/02, Tony Young wrote about satellite views >That's a pretty good view of the football dome but where do I look >for a space shot of the Melbourne Cricket Ground? > I'm not sure, Tony, but here's a good starting point: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/PIADetQuery.html Scroll down to the "Search by feature name" area, type in "Australia", and hit RETURN. I don't think any of these are Zoom type photos, but some are good ones anyway. Claude >From alan.grombacher@pioneer.com Thu Jan 31 09:42:56 2002 Received: from mhub16.lvs.dupont.com (mhub16.lvs.dupont.com [52.128.30.9]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VFgtW21448 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:42:55 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mhub3.lvs.dupont.com by mhub16.lvs.dupont.com with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:42:48 -0500 Received: from orion.phibred.com by mhub3.lvs.dupont.com with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:42:20 -0500 Received: by orion.phibred.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:41:51 -0600 Message-Id: <54FEE73BEDFDD311976F00805F6F9ADE418603@pegasus.phibred.com> From: "Grombacher, Alan" To: "'stoltz10@attbi.com'" , rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: 7613 swelled butt modification Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:41:49 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1AA6D.CC154DF0" Reply-To: alan.grombacher@pioneer.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AA6D.CC154DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tim, Isn't the butt of the 7613 miked at .375. I understood the 7613 to have a .375 butt. Cheers, Alberta Al Grombacher -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:stoltz10@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:04 PM To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: 7613 swelled butt modification Will it change action if the butt section is .34-.35 instead of .36, most of which will be under the handle? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AA6D.CC154DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Tim,
 
Isn't the butt of the 7613 miked at .375.  I understood the 7613 to have a .375 butt.
 
 
Cheers,
 
Alberta Al Grombacher
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim [mailto:stoltz10@attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:04 PM
To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu
Subject: 7613 swelled butt modification

Will it change action if the butt section is .34-.35 instead of .36, most of which will be under the handle?
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AA6D.CC154DF0-- >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 09:43:52 2002 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VFhpW21583 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:43:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from pool0477.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.147.222] helo=computer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WJNN-0004Ss-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:43:50 -0800 Message-ID: <004b01c1aa6e$13499b40$de93b3d1@computer> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: Subject: Different kind of line Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:43:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C1AA2B.036A5360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C1AA2B.036A5360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the lines I use and like very much is a Monic Phantom Line. It = has a 10' FLOATING clear tip. The rest of the line is a mono core and = super slick normal line and has no memory. It shoots like a laser. The = clear tip is great when casting over spooking trout because it cast no = shadow over the water. With a 12' leader you have 22' of clear line on = the water. They are the only one that has floating clear line..they = have a patent on it. AirFlow wishes they had it. Adam ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C1AA2B.036A5360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 One of the lines I use and like = very much is=20 a Monic Phantom Line. It has a 10' FLOATING clear tip. The rest of the = line is a=20 mono core and super slick normal line and has no memory. It shoots = like a=20 laser. The clear tip is great when casting over spooking trout because = it cast=20 no shadow over the water. With a 12' leader you have 22' of clear line = on the=20 water.  They are the only one that has floating clear line..they = have a=20 patent on it. AirFlow wishes they had it.
 
Adam
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C1AA2B.036A5360-- >From Bambull@webtv.net Thu Jan 31 10:02:08 2002 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105- 2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VG27W22712 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:02:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from storefull-2136.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull- 2136.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.164]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id F320AD96 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull- 2136.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA28651; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:01:59 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRnki732takIJOSnVmaf7Gjev4j4QIUL75Ruquw6pOf7Ij3bBH7CmJuJHs= From: Bambull@webtv.net (Al & Carole Medved) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:01:59 -0500 (EST) To: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Subject: THANKS Message-ID: <4252-3C596A77-369@storefull-2136.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Reply-To: Bambull@webtv.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Friends, Just a short note to thank all who have kept me in your thoughts and prayers during the last two weeks. I was deeply touched by all the notes, calls and cards sent my way. I honestly feel that your caring helped me get through these trying times and it was comforting to know I had a family of rod makers who sincerely cared about my well being. I will never forget you guys and gals. The surgery left me a little weak and unsure on my feet but with more rehab I hope I'll be as good as new. It doesn't appear as though there was any nerve damage and the pain seems to have diminished significantly. I can't wait to hit the basement and remove those pesky nodes. Thanks again, Al >From Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Thu Jan 31 10:02:11 2002 Received: from romulus.bhi-net.com (romulus.bhi-net.com [204.253.245.10]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VG2BW22716 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:02:11 - 0600 (CST) Received: from bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) by romulus.bhi-net.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA00651; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:02:04 -0600 (CST) Received: by smtphost.bakerhughes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:48:26 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Miller, Troy" To: Adam Vigil Cc: Rodmakers Subject: RE: Different kind of line Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:57:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Adam -- It must be something different than the clear Monic line that I bought to fish the salt about five years ago. The line was so sticky on the surface, it would not shoot two feet per casting stroke. It felt like the countertop the morning after a great party, you know how it feels when dried beer gets gummy/sticky? I took it on two or three day trips, stripped it off, and bought the Laser Tropic Plus. The monic is back in its box in my tackle closet, and I am sure it will be sold on e-bay by my kids when I die. I'd love to hear that they figured it out and that they are making "good" lines now. I've never liked lines that change character when they are wet or dry. Up 'til now, I've preferred 444s for that very reason. They work the same on the lawn or in the water. MHO and NFI -- TAM -----Original Message----- From: Adam Vigil [mailto:atlasc1@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:44 AM To: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Different kind of line One of the lines I use and like very much is a Monic Phantom Line. It has a 10' FLOATING clear tip. The rest of the line is a mono core and super slick normal line and has no memory. It shoots like a laser. The clear tip is great when casting over spooking trout because it cast no shadow over the water. With a 12' leader you have 22' of clear line on the water. They are the only one that has floating clear line..they have a patent on it. AirFlow wishes they had it. Adam >From Dennishigham@cs.com Thu Jan 31 10:02:58 2002 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VG2vW22894 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:02:57 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Dennishigham@cs.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.48.5cde1ac (4198) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:02:46 - 0500 (EST) From: Dennishigham@cs.com Message-ID: <48.5cde1ac.298ac4a5@cs.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:02:45 EST Subject: What's in a name To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 113 Reply-To: Dennishigham@cs.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN While the list is a little slow take a look at www.flyanglersonline.com and click on "What's in a name. Interesting article by Deanna Birkholm about cane rods...Deanna is one of the original members of TU. Dennis >From bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 31 10:37:38 2002 Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VGbbW25525 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:37:37 - 0600 (CST) Received: from dax ([24.49.107.165]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQTA6J00.J7Y; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:37:31 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bob Maulucci" To: , Subject: RE: What's in a name Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <48.5cde1ac.298ac4a5@cs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Dennis: I read Deanna and Jim's articles yesterday. They are chock full of things for us to mull over. I respect them very much and do not want to be critical of them, but it seems to me they wanted to write about bamboo and are clutching at straws. All filler, no thriller. Seems like they are so out to help Ron (a wonderful man and maker) sell rods by slamming everyone else that they are missing out on the real scene. 1. Regarding Deanna's piece...some guys sell rods with the taper marked on the blank. I think that most do this to pay respect to the originator, not to create a replica or to decieve the public. In either case, who is kidding who...how could any taper be original? That's why I do not write the taper on my blanks, but I will gladly share its origins with anyone who asks. 2. Regarding Jim's piece, if you did sell a $400 rod, people would automatically say it was crap based on the fact that these "masters' he aludes to are selling rods for three or four times that. With all due respect to Deanna, Jim, and the masters they refer to, the best rods are being made in basements and are given away most of the time. If they want to rekindle the bamboo fire, maybe they should stop selling so much ad space to the graphite guys. (I am kidding of course). The whole graphite craze is simply marketing, isn't it? Best regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Dennishigham@cs.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:03 AM To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: What's in a name While the list is a little slow take a look at www.flyanglersonline.com and click on "What's in a name. Interesting article by Deanna Birkholm about cane rods...Deanna is one of the original members of TU. Dennis >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 31 10:55:32 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VGtVW26668 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:55:32 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip192.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.192]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0VGv3k76226; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:57:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3C5976E2.18515704@3g.quik.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:54:58 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dennishigham@cs.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: What's in a name References: <48.5cde1ac.298ac4a5@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Dennis, I've posted my feelings about this same subject on this list several times. I've started a thread about this on FAOL. Those who have opinions are invited to respond there. Harry Dennishigham@cs.com wrote: > While the list is a little slow take a look at www.flyanglersonline.com and > click on "What's in a name. -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church >From stoltz10@attbi.com Thu Jan 31 11:03:40 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VH3dW27431 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:03:39 - 0600 (CST) Received: from TimsXP ([12.225.31.80]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020131170334.XMXH3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@TimsXP>; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:03:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c1aa79$37550cd0$501fe10c@TimsXP> From: "Tim" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: What's in a name Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:03:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: stoltz10@attbi.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bob I read both articles and your reply which I thought was very good. What troubled me with Jim's article is he makes it sound like there are not very many good rods being made today. As you know quality of rods being made today on average are better than those being made in days of old. He is correct that mass production is gone but A.J. turns out a ton of great rod at a great price. The one thing that I truly don't understand is the prices that the big manufactures put on rods (Winston, Thomas and Thomas, Scott) to the average fly fisher who is only exposed to bamboo rod through these catalogs they think that all new cane rods are $2000 and do not realize that there are lot nice rods being made for about the same price they are willing to fork out for their new graphite rod. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Maulucci" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: RE: What's in a name > Hi Dennis: > I read Deanna and Jim's articles yesterday. They are chock full of things > for us to mull over. I respect them very much and do not want to be critical > of them, but it seems to me they wanted to write about bamboo and are > clutching at straws. All filler, no thriller. Seems like they are so out to > help Ron (a wonderful man and maker) sell rods by slamming everyone else > that they are missing out on the real scene. 1. Regarding Deanna's piece...some guys sell rods with the taper marked on > the blank. I think that most do this to pay respect to the originator, not > to create a replica or to decieve the public. In either case, who is kidding > who...how could any taper be original? That's why I do not write the taper > on my blanks, but I will gladly share its origins with anyone who asks. > 2. Regarding Jim's piece, if you did sell a $400 rod, people would > automatically say it was crap based on the fact that these "masters' he > aludes to are selling rods for three or four times that. > With all due respect to Deanna, Jim, and the masters they refer to, the best > rods are being made in basements and are given away most of the time. If > they want to rekindle the bamboo fire, maybe they should stop selling so > much ad space to the graphite guys. (I am kidding of course). The whole > graphite craze is simply marketing, isn't it? > Best regards, > Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of > Dennishigham@cs.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:03 AM > To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > Subject: What's in a name > > > While the list is a little slow take a look at www.flyanglersonline.com and > click on "What's in a name. > Interesting article by Deanna Birkholm about cane rods...Deanna is > one of the > original members of TU. > > Dennis > >From Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Thu Jan 31 11:05:18 2002 Received: from romulus.bhi-net.com (romulus.bhi-net.com [204.253.245.10]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VH5HW27685 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:05:17 - 0600 (CST) Received: from bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) by romulus.bhi-net.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA00720; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:05:11 -0600 (CST) Received: by smtphost.bakerhughes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:51:33 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Miller, Troy" To: Dennishigham@cs.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: What's in a name Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:00:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN If I'm not mistaken, this is the individual who bashed the FFF casting program a couple years ago, saying that it is nothing more than a self-serving clique of egotists. I happen to be one of those self-servers, and very much resented the implications. No one knows the joy of helping a frustrated student start to gain some control, until they have done it themself. On an average day, I would prefer to teach an eager student to cast, than to actually fish. I know, call me strange. I am not a cliquish person, in fact, I don't enjoy the spotlight. But I do like to help people, to see them get fired up about casting a flyrod like I am. Sort of a guilty pleasure, I know.... I don't think I have much respect for Deanna after such a "sour grapes" article, and don't plan to read any more of them... TAM -----Original Message----- From: Dennishigham@cs.com [mailto:Dennishigham@cs.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:03 AM To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: What's in a name While the list is a little slow take a look at www.flyanglersonline.com and click on "What's in a name. Interesting article by Deanna Birkholm about cane rods...Deanna is one of the original members of TU. Dennis >From tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 11:22:13 2002 Received: from web11208.mail.yahoo.com (web11208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.190]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0VHMCW28761 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:22:12 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020131172211.72471.qmail@web11208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.255.50] by web11208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:22:11 PST Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: timothy troester Subject: Re: What's in a name To: Dennishigham@cs.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: <48.5cde1ac.298ac4a5@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN this just goes to show you! you can't please everybody. timothy --- Dennishigham@cs.com wrote: > While the list is a little slow take a look at > www.flyanglersonline.com and > click on "What's in a name. > Interesting article by Deanna Birkholm about cane > rods...Deanna is one of the > original members of TU. > > Dennis > ===== "Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, - "If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From CALucker@aol.com Thu Jan 31 11:23:46 2002 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VHNkW28963 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:23:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from CALucker@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id f.ae.21a30f94 (4328); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:23:25 -0500 (EST) From: CALucker@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:23:23 EST Subject: Re: Different kind of line To: atlasc1@earthlink.net, rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ae.21a30f94.298ad78b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 Reply-To: CALucker@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_ae.21a30f94.298ad78b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/02 7:44:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: > The clear tip is great when casting over spooking trout because it cast no > shadow over the water. Now, do you really believe that? I think that's just what it says on the box. And it will appear to be largely the same as most other lines as you look from underneath and the line is floating in the surface film. It is probably better than a red line, but that's probably about it. Glad you like the way it shoots, though. Chris Lucker --part1_ae.21a30f94.298ad78b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/02 7:44:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net writes:


The clear tip is great when casting over spooking trout because it cast no shadow over the water.



Now, do you really believe that?  I think that's just what it says on the box.  And it will appear to be largely the same as most other lines as you look from underneath and the line is floating in the surface film.  It is probably better than a red line, but that's probably about it.
Glad you like the way it shoots, though.
Chris Lucker --part1_ae.21a30f94.298ad78b_boundary-- >From jhewittiii@springsips.com Thu Jan 31 11:48:17 2002 Received: from BYHU.star2.net (star2.net [65.89.75.11]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VHmGW00742 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:48:16 - 0600 (CST) Received: from springsips.com (unverified [63.29.89.126]) by BYHU.star2.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.200) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3C598368.DBE6FA5D@springsips.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:48:24 -0700 From: John Hewitt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bluefin_1999@yahoo.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Smith River Please HELP!!!! References: <20020131141125.38480.qmail@web13202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: jhewittiii@springsips.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Blue Fin, I'm really sorry that the "Locals" are so outraged that a group of native people are using up the "Locals" natural resources. Maybe you should step back and think about who the real locals are, and who has done the preponderance of damage to natural resources in this country. having said that. I do hope that you can work out a satisfactory solution for all, including the river and its resources. John hewitt blue fin wrote: > Non Cane related but......pretty serious stuff. > > Thanks for the bandwidth. > > B.F. > > The local Smith river rancheria has drafted a petition > to allow tribal > members to drift gillnet salmon, shellfish and "other > non endangered species" > on tribal lands at the mouth of the Smith river that > exceed state limits. > Furthermore they have set up their own Fish and > Wildlife commission to > regulate and oversee the fishery. Guides on the Smith > are reporting that many > of the steelhead they have been seeing this past week > are sporting fresh net > marks and locals are outraged. We all know how the > tribal gillnets nearly > wiped out the fall Salmon runs on the Klamath and have > decimated the winter > steelhead and spring runs (the fall salmon fishery was > at an all time low > when regulations limiting the netting save the fishery > in the early 90s) and > now under the disguise of "subsistence fishing" they > are looking to decimate > another fishery. It would take just three years of > netting to wipe out the > Smith river steelhead run and four years for the fall > salmon run. We oppose > any and all petitions to allow netting of any nature > on any California river > but we need your support as we lobby Cal Fish and Game > Commission to > aggressively enforce the current commercial and sport > fishing laws of the > state. Otherwise the future of fisheries on other > rivers that run through > tribal lands are at risk. Feel free to forward this > message to the boards and > chat rooms. This is our opinion and you should voice > yours to the Fish and > Game Commission NOW! Before is a sample letter that I > sent to the commission > and we urge you do do the same. > > Who to contact: > For more info you may E-mail Mr. Robert Treanor > Executive Director of the > California Fish and Game Commission at > rtreanor@dfg.ca.gov > Or write to: > State of California, > Fish and Game Commission > 1416 9th Street -- Room 1320 > Sacramento, CA 95814 > > Dear Mr. Treanor: > I wish to express my opinion on the Smith River > rancheria's desire to drift > gillnet salmon and steelhead on the Smith river. This > fishery is composed of > mostly native steelhead and wild king and coho salmon. > To allow gillneting of > any sort would decimate these fisheries in as little > as four years. We (all) > know too well the problems concerning the Klamath > river gillnets and I urge > you to use all resources available to aggressively > enforce all current state > F&G regulations on the Smith river. If this fishery > was lost it would have a > far greater impact on the local economy. This fishery > pumps ten of thousands > (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars into the > local economy and no > gillnetting should be allowed for any reason. The > local tribes are short > sighted and gillnetting for a few seasons will not > make any difference in > their future. This past week guides are reporting that > they are seeing fish > with net marks in numbers that imply that the > rancheria is already > gillnetting on the lower river. Please make the > resources available protect > these valuable fisheries before they are lost forever. > > Sincerely, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com >From rodsupstream@exploremaine.com Thu Jan 31 12:07:42 2002 Received: from mail.midmaine.com (mail.midmaine.com [216.220.230.115]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VI7fW01901 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:07:41 - 0600 (CST) Received: from rodsupstream (216-220-250-9.midmaine.com [216.220.250.9]) by mail.midmaine.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25187; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:06:47 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Tim Doughty" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: What's in a name Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:11:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <000501c1aa79$37550cd0$501fe10c@TimsXP> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Tim, The prices are set by a clientele who demand a no fault replacement guarantee not that the rods have those kind of value. The bean counters have the numbers down so that the return facture (5%) is covered. The marketing end is to make you believe that this particular rod is necessary for this kind of fishing, and that it is a one time purchase. How long does any rod last? Because of use and care factures it is anyone guess. If your point is to market cane rods than you must at lest play by the same ground rules as the graphite producers. Just my 2 cents, Tim. Upstream Always, Tim Doughty Rod Maker -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:04 PM To: bob@downandacross.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: What's in a name Bob I read both articles and your reply which I thought was very good. What troubled me with Jim's article is he makes it sound like there are not very many good rods being made today. As you know quality of rods being made today on average are better than those being made in days of old. He is correct that mass production is gone but A.J. turns out a ton of great rod at a great price. The one thing that I truly don't understand is the prices that the big manufactures put on rods (Winston, Thomas and Thomas, Scott) to the average fly fisher who is only exposed to bamboo rod through these catalogs they think that all new cane rods are $2000 and do not realize that there are lot nice rods being made for about the same price they are willing to fork out for their new graphite rod. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Maulucci" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: RE: What's in a name > Hi Dennis: > I read Deanna and Jim's articles yesterday. They are chock full of things > for us to mull over. I respect them very much and do not want to be critical > of them, but it seems to me they wanted to write about bamboo and are > clutching at straws. All filler, no thriller. Seems like they are so out to > help Ron (a wonderful man and maker) sell rods by slamming everyone else > that they are missing out on the real scene. > 1. Regarding Deanna's piece...some guys sell rods with the taper marked on > the blank. I think that most do this to pay respect to the originator, not > to create a replica or to decieve the public. In either case, who is kidding > who...how could any taper be original? That's why I do not write the taper > on my blanks, but I will gladly share its origins with anyone who asks. > 2. Regarding Jim's piece, if you did sell a $400 rod, people would > automatically say it was crap based on the fact that these "masters' he > aludes to are selling rods for three or four times that. > With all due respect to Deanna, Jim, and the masters they refer to, the best > rods are being made in basements and are given away most of the time. If > they want to rekindle the bamboo fire, maybe they should stop selling so > much ad space to the graphite guys. (I am kidding of course). The whole > graphite craze is simply marketing, isn't it? > Best regards, > Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of > Dennishigham@cs.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:03 AM > To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > Subject: What's in a name > > > While the list is a little slow take a look at www.flyanglersonline.com and > click on "What's in a name. > Interesting article by Deanna Birkholm about cane rods...Deanna is > one of the > original members of TU. > > Dennis > >From stoltz10@attbi.com Thu Jan 31 12:12:08 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VIC7W02270 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:12:07 - 0600 (CST) Received: from TimsXP ([12.225.31.80]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020131181202.ZCJL3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@TimsXP> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:12:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c1aa82$c7f99ea0$501fe10c@TimsXP> From: "Tim" To: Subject: first rod finished Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:12:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1AA3F.B995FA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: stoltz10@attbi.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1AA3F.B995FA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just took my first rod (209E) out and casted it, it eceeded my = expectations. I'll take it out next week and catch fish, hopefully on = dry flies next week. Thanks to the list for your help. Tim ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1AA3F.B995FA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just took my first rod = (209E) out and casted=20 it, it eceeded my expectations.  I'll take it out next week = and catch=20 fish, hopefully on dry flies next week.  Thanks to the list for = your=20 help.
 
Tim
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1AA3F.B995FA40-- >From ChristopherO@epicimaging.com Thu Jan 31 12:14:10 2002 Received: from epic01.epic.local (mail.epicrad.com [208.161.98.101] (may be forged)) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VIE9W02502 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:14:09 - 0600 (CST) Received: by epic01.epic.local with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:10:42 -0800 Message-ID: <597B1B105B2339409E2376FA57E4B4A60F5DA4@epic01.epic.local> From: "Christopher A. Obuchowski, MD" To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: the old masters @ FAOL Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:10:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: ChristopherO@epicimaging.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN If you guys were bothered by the "what's in a name" article, read "the old masters" column (www.flyanglersonline.com and click on "the old masters"). It appears that only Kusse and Summers are making rods worth a damn these days (Will there be masters as we know them today, men like Kusse and Summers? Hard to tell, but, we will have something, there will always be something. It will be up to us. If we continue to be satisfied with what we have now, then that's all we will end up with. If we want a return of the old days of many fine cane rod companies, we must start soon. We have lost way too many of the great masters now. ~ J Castwell) no one else is making rods at all, except for the mentally challenged hobbyists with day jobs, and us guys are incapable of "keeping the craft alive" or of generating anything new ("The rods produced today are almost always, or nearly so, direct duplications of tapers from by-gone years. . .") somehow, I don't think Mr. Castwell has ever heard of, let alone attended, one of the regional Rodmakers symposia, nor does he appear to be knowledgeable in ANY repect regarding cane rods or Rodmakers. If he had done any research, he would realize that there are around one thousand Rodmakers in the US (give or take a few hundred - at least according to Harold and eileen demerest who still sell the majority of the bamboo used), and that while many makers do reproduce classic tapers, there are many more original tapers being produced by today's innovators (rod makers who have made from a few to many hundreds - what, about 700 now AJ? - of rods). It's neat how having your own website makes one an instant authority on whatever the individual wants to filibuster about. I think I'll stop here, but boy could I go on . . . Christopher Obuchowski MD (one of the mentally challenged part time Rodmakers with a day job) >From kenealyj@gwi.net Thu Jan 31 12:29:45 2002 Received: from valen.gwi.net (valen.gwi.net [207.5.128.33]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VITiW03585 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:29:44 - 0600 (CST) Received: from salvelinus (d-216-195-155-247.gwi.net [216.195.155.247]) by valen.gwi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0VITcV16867; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:29:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01c1aa85$8dea4f40$f79bc3d8@salvelinus> From: "John Kenealy" To: , References: <001201c1aa82$c7f99ea0$501fe10c@TimsXP> Subject: Re: first rod finished Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:31:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1AA5B.A45BA5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: kenealyj@gwi.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1AA5B.A45BA5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good for you Tim!!!! Best of luck with the rod and future rods!!!!!! John K ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim=20 To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu=20 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: first rod finished I just took my first rod (209E) out and casted it, it eceeded my = expectations. I'll take it out next week and catch fish, hopefully on = dry flies next week. Thanks to the list for your help. Tim ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1AA5B.A45BA5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good for you Tim!!!!
 
Best of luck with the rod and future=20 rods!!!!!!
 
John K
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From:=20 Tim
Sent: Thursday, January 31, = 2002 1:12=20 PM
Subject: first rod = finished

I just took my first rod = (209E) out and=20 casted it, it eceeded my expectations.  I'll take it out = next week=20 and catch fish, hopefully on dry flies next week.  Thanks to the = list for=20 your help.
 
Tim
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1AA5B.A45BA5A0-- >From HalManas@aol.com Thu Jan 31 12:41:41 2002 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VIfeW04204 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:41:40 - 0600 (CST) Received: from HalManas@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id u.5b.2224e65d (4320); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:40:14 -0500 (EST) From: HalManas@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.2224e65d.298ae98e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:40:14 EST Subject: Re: What's in a name To: bob@downandacross.com, Dennishigham@cs.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Reply-To: HalManas@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All, I must be incredibly thick skinned, but I found nothing offensive in either article. I assume that anyone who puts the name of a taper on a rod also puts his or her own name or trademark on the rod. As for the other article, he basically said that Loenards and Powells are worth a lot of money. Can't argue with that. It's true that Deanna's piece seems a little harsh, but what the heck, we should be used to opinionated people by now. Just my opinion. By the way, what does TAM mean? Hal >From patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 31 13:05:09 2002 Received: from blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com [192.161.36.5]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VJ58W05446 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:05:08 - 0600 (CST) Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com ([129.172.13.4]) by blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id LAA17164; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-01) with ESMTP id LAA09862; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:04:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh- 02.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.54.12.28]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id g0VJ5Cb01622; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:05:14 -0800 Message-ID: <58B6DA1B98AA9149B13B029976A48BCC07E76C15@xch-nw- 31.nw.nos.boeing.com> From: "Coffey, Patrick W" To: "'jhewittiii@springsips.com'" , bluefin_1999@yahoo.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: Smith River Please HELP!!!! Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:04:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN excuse me but the real locals are the animals, the Indians came here over the land bridge from Asia and have made lots of different wild life extinct. Subsistence fishing is enough fish to last the winter not enough to sell to Safeway and the rest of the world. Since Judge Bolt decided the catching all the salmon and steelhead in the rivers of the north west as "subsistence" fishing, we no longer have fish in our rivers. Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- From: John Hewitt [mailto:jhewittiii@springsips.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:48 AM To: bluefin_1999@yahoo.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Smith River Please HELP!!!! Blue Fin, I'm really sorry that the "Locals" are so outraged that a group of native people are using up the "Locals" natural resources. Maybe you should step back and think about who the real locals are, and who has done the preponderance of damage to natural resources in this country. having said that. I do hope that you can work out a satisfactory solution for all, including the river and its resources. John hewitt blue fin wrote: > Non Cane related but......pretty serious stuff. > > Thanks for the bandwidth. > > B.F. > > The local Smith river rancheria has drafted a petition > to allow tribal > members to drift gillnet salmon, shellfish and "other > non endangered species" > on tribal lands at the mouth of the Smith river that > exceed state limits. > Furthermore they have set up their own Fish and > Wildlife commission to > regulate and oversee the fishery. Guides on the Smith > are reporting that many > of the steelhead they have been seeing this past week > are sporting fresh net > marks and locals are outraged. We all know how the > tribal gillnets nearly > wiped out the fall Salmon runs on the Klamath and have > decimated the winter > steelhead and spring runs (the fall salmon fishery was > at an all time low > when regulations limiting the netting save the fishery > in the early 90s) and > now under the disguise of "subsistence fishing" they > are looking to decimate > another fishery. It would take just three years of > netting to wipe out the > Smith river steelhead run and four years for the fall > salmon run. We oppose > any and all petitions to allow netting of any nature > on any California river > but we need your support as we lobby Cal Fish and Game > Commission to > aggressively enforce the current commercial and sport > fishing laws of the > state. Otherwise the future of fisheries on other > rivers that run through > tribal lands are at risk. Feel free to forward this > message to the boards and > chat rooms. This is our opinion and you should voice > yours to the Fish and > Game Commission NOW! Before is a sample letter that I > sent to the commission > and we urge you do do the same. > > Who to contact: > For more info you may E-mail Mr. Robert Treanor > Executive Director of the > California Fish and Game Commission at > rtreanor@dfg.ca.gov > Or write to: > State of California, > Fish and Game Commission > 1416 9th Street -- Room 1320 > Sacramento, CA 95814 > > Dear Mr. Treanor: > I wish to express my opinion on the Smith River > rancheria's desire to drift > gillnet salmon and steelhead on the Smith river. This > fishery is composed of > mostly native steelhead and wild king and coho salmon. > To allow gillneting of > any sort would decimate these fisheries in as little > as four years. We (all) > know too well the problems concerning the Klamath > river gillnets and I urge > you to use all resources available to aggressively > enforce all current state > F&G regulations on the Smith river. If this fishery > was lost it would have a > far greater impact on the local economy. This fishery > pumps ten of thousands > (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars into the > local economy and no > gillnetting should be allowed for any reason. The > local tribes are short > sighted and gillnetting for a few seasons will not > make any difference in > their future. This past week guides are reporting that > they are seeing fish > with net marks in numbers that imply that the > rancheria is already > gillnetting on the lower river. Please make the > resources available protect > these valuable fisheries before they are lost forever. > > Sincerely, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com >From Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Thu Jan 31 13:11:16 2002 Received: from romulus.bhi-net.com (romulus.bhi-net.com [204.253.245.10]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VJBGW05918 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:11:16 - 0600 (CST) Received: from bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) by romulus.bhi-net.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA15688; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:07:42 -0600 (CST) Received: by smtphost.bakerhughes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:52:46 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Miller, Troy" To: HalManas@aol.com, bob@downandacross.com, Dennishigham@cs.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: What's in a name Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:01:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN TAM is my initials, Troy Allen Miller. There are other T. Miller, Makers about, and TAM is the way I try to keep my own identity... The sour grapes article I was referring to had nothing to do with cane, and I probably should have let the dead dog lie. I just don't care much for confrontational writers.... As I re-read my previous post, it didn't come out exactly the way I meant it. One of those things that sounds different, depending on how you read it. When I said I like "to see them get fired up about casting a flyrod like I am", I meant that I enjoy seeing them get excited, not casting in my particular style. Everybody is entitled to their own style, just so it makes them happy! Sorry if that came across as arrogant, I didn't intend it.... : ) Best regards -- TAM -----Original Message----- From: HalManas@aol.com [mailto:HalManas@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:40 PM To: bob@downandacross.com; Dennishigham@cs.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: What's in a name All, I must be incredibly thick skinned, but I found nothing offensive in either article. I assume that anyone who puts the name of a taper on a rod also puts his or her own name or trademark on the rod. As for the other article, he basically said that Loenards and Powells are worth a lot of money. Can't argue with that. It's true that Deanna's piece seems a little harsh, but what the heck, we should be used to opinionated people by now. Just my opinion. By the way, what does TAM mean? Hal >From rextutor@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 13:25:28 2002 Received: from web14905.mail.yahoo.com (web14905.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.57]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0VJPRW09078 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:25:27 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020131192526.71376.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.253.1.195] by web14905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:25:26 PST Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:25:26 -0800 (PST) From: Rex Tutor Subject: Salmon fishing with nets To: RodMakers Listserve Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: <58B6DA1B98AA9149B13B029976A48BCC07E76C15@xch-nw- 31.nw.nos.boeing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: rextutor@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I lived near the Columbia river in the 80s and watched the controversy of Native Rights - fishing for religious purposes with shagrin and amusement. It was a federal fine to fish with nets at certain places on the Columbia watershed. $150 per load. It happened to read at that time of the average take for a bank robbery ( another federal offense) was $2000 and was mandatory prison time. The average take of salmon netted $1800 and could be done 2-3 times per week. Irony indeed ! But then I also remember the ultimately inclusive protest sign , too: "Save the gay baby whales!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 31 13:27:07 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VJR6W09610 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:27:06 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip168.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.168]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0VJSYP238738; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:28:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3C599A65.BFBAFF46@3g.quik.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:26:29 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ChristopherO@epicimaging.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL References: <597B1B105B2339409E2376FA57E4B4A60F5DA4@epic01.epic.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Chris, Don't be too hard on JC. He spoke very highly of one of my rods, as did Deanna, at the Fly Anglers Online Fish In last fall. In fact (insert big-head here) it compared very favorably to Ron Kusse's. http://www.globalflyfisher.com/reports/fishin2001/index.php The rod's owner also had nice things to say. JC has seen and cast literally thousands of rods, many of them cane. And he personally thinks that the Gatti rods are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I cast a Gatti once. Reminded me of a phone pole. Apparently JC and Ron Kusse are close friends. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen Kusse's rods and was duly impressed. Ron has done his best to help me a coupla times, and I really appreciate it. As Hal Manas wrote, I don't find anything really offensive in either article. I don't agree with them, but am not bothered by what JC and LF say. I do NOT wish for a return to anyone's idea of a golden age of bamboo when only a double handful of companies were making rods. I like selling a few rods to help pay for my own, and to afford me the ability to give away a rod now and then. If top of the line bamboo rods suddenly began selling for $400, then all of us who sell for 2-5 times that amount might well be up a creek. Harry "Christopher A. Obuchowski, MD" wrote: > If you guys were bothered by the "what's in a name" article, read "the old > masters" column (www.flyanglersonline.com and click on "the old masters"). -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church >From tausfeld@frontiernet.net Thu Jan 31 13:35:19 2002 Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01g.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.237]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0VJZIW12675 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:35:18 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 12988 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 19:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) ([209.130.219.71]) (envelope- sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Jan 2002 19:35:12 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c1aa8e$93f3f040$47db82d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" To: , References: <597B1B105B2339409E2376FA57E4B4A60F5DA4@epic01.epic.local> Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:34:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Reply-To: tausfeld@frontiernet.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Chris and all, >Will there be masters as we know them today, men like Kusse and > Summers? Hard to tell, but, we will have something, there will always be > something. It will be up to us. If we continue to be satisfied with what we > have now, then that's all we will end up with. If we want a return of the > old days of many fine cane rod companies, we must start soon. We have lost > way too many of the great masters now. ~ J Castwell The way I read this is that people should stop buying graphite and buy bamboo. HooRah! Since Kusse and Summers are busy, it will give some of us poor saps with more than the normal allotment of thumbs to maybe sell a few. ; ) BTW, I don't believe that you have to do something over 1000 times to become a master, sometimes it only take 20. snip > somehow, I don't think Mr. Castwell has ever heard of, let alone attended, > one of the regional Rodmakers symposia, nor does he appear to be > knowledgeable in ANY repect regarding cane rods or Rodmakers. If he had snip I have to agree with you on this one. His article seemed like it lacked research. If he attended a symposium/gathering, searched the web, he would have found many makers. If he called some of them and tried thier rods, his outlook would be different. I know I would send a demo rod to anybody interested in buying. If your goal is to buy the best fishable rod, odds are for the price of one Kusse, you can get three or four equally fishable rods from lesser known makers. An added bonus is that it could be a early rod of one of the next masters. I'd love to have one of Leonard's first 10 rods. His article seemed to serve Kusse and Summers, which for all I know are his friends or they have a good builder/customer relationship, that's fine. I just wish he didn't put a slightly negative slant on the hobby maker. tom >From wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 13:36:11 2002 Received: from web11401.mail.yahoo.com (web11401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.231]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0VJaAW13086 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:36:10 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020131193610.88180.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.64.16] by web11401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:36:09 PST Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:36:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Walters Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com, ChristopherO@epicimaging.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: <3C599A65.BFBAFF46@3g.quik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN If the Chinese competition ever gets it right we may all be up that creek you're talking about without a visible means of locomotion. Bill W. --- Harry Boyd wrote: > Chris, > > Don't be too hard on JC. He spoke very highly > of one of my rods, as did > Deanna, at the Fly Anglers Online Fish In last fall. > In fact (insert big-head > here) it compared very favorably to Ron Kusse's. > http://www.globalflyfisher.com/reports/fishin2001/index.php > The rod's owner > also had nice things to say. > > JC has seen and cast literally thousands of > rods, many of them cane. And > he personally thinks that the Gatti rods are the > greatest thing since sliced > bread. I cast a Gatti once. Reminded me of a phone > pole. Apparently JC and > Ron Kusse are close friends. Nothing wrong with > that. I've seen Kusse's rods > and was duly impressed. Ron has done his best to > help me a coupla times, and I > really appreciate it. > > As Hal Manas wrote, I don't find anything really > offensive in either > article. I don't agree with them, but am not > bothered by what JC and LF say. > I do NOT wish for a return to anyone's idea of a > golden age of bamboo when only > a double handful of companies were making rods. I > like selling a few rods to > help pay for my own, and to afford me the ability to > give away a rod now and > then. If top of the line bamboo rods suddenly began > selling for $400, then all > of us who sell for 2-5 times that amount might well > be up a creek. > > Harry > > > "Christopher A. Obuchowski, MD" wrote: > > > If you guys were bothered by the "what's in a > name" article, read "the old > > masters" column (www.flyanglersonline.com and > click on "the old masters"). > > -- > Harry Boyd > > http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods > http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From KyleDruey@aol.com Thu Jan 31 14:08:58 2002 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VK8vW25357 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:08:57 - 0600 (CST) Received: from KyleDruey@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.3.) id 4.c5.1d4c348e (5714) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:08:34 - 0500 (EST) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID47- 0131150834; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:08:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:08:34 EST From: KyleDruey@aol.com Subject: Re: Smith River Please HELP!!!! To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Reply-To: KyleDruey@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN The only hope for the Smith River is for Californians to clean house on Red Davis and his liberal band of cronies in Sacramento by voting for Riordan this fall... In a message dated Thu, 31 Jan 2002 9:19:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, blue fin writes: > Non Cane related but......pretty serious stuff. > > Thanks for the bandwidth. > > B.F. > > > > The local Smith river rancheria has drafted a petition > to allow tribal > members to drift gillnet salmon, shellfish and "other > non endangered species" > on tribal lands at the mouth of the Smith river that > exceed state limits. > Furthermore they have set up their own Fish and > Wildlife commission to > regulate and oversee the fishery. Guides on the Smith > are reporting that many > of the steelhead they have been seeing this past week > are sporting fresh net > marks and locals are outraged. We all know how the > tribal gillnets nearly > wiped out the fall Salmon runs on the Klamath and have > decimated the winter > steelhead and spring runs (the fall salmon fishery was > at an all time low > when regulations limiting the netting save the fishery > in the early 90s) and > now under the disguise of "subsistence fishing" they > are looking to decimate > another fishery. It would take just three years of > netting to wipe out the > Smith river steelhead run and four years for the fall > salmon run. We oppose > any and all petitions to allow netting of any nature > on any California river > but we need your support as we lobby Cal Fish and Game > Commission to > aggressively enforce the current commercial and sport > fishing laws of the > state. Otherwise the future of fisheries on other > rivers that run through > tribal lands are at risk. Feel free to forward this > message to the boards and > chat rooms. This is our opinion and you should voice > yours to the Fish and > Game Commission NOW! Before is a sample letter that I > sent to the commission > and we urge you do do the same. > > Who to contact: > For more info you may E-mail Mr. Robert Treanor > Executive Director of the > California Fish and Game Commission at > rtreanor@dfg.ca.gov > Or write to: > State of California, > Fish and Game Commission > 1416 9th Street -- Room 1320 > Sacramento, CA 95814 > > Dear Mr. Treanor: > I wish to express my opinion on the Smith River > rancheria's desire to drift > gillnet salmon and steelhead on the Smith river. This > fishery is composed of > mostly native steelhead and wild king and coho salmon. > To allow gillneting of > any sort would decimate these fisheries in as little > as four years. We (all) > know too well the problems concerning the Klamath > river gillnets and I urge > you to use all resources available to aggressively > enforce all current state > F&G regulations on the Smith river. If this fishery > was lost it would have a > far greater impact on the local economy. This fishery > pumps ten of thousands > (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars into the > local economy and no > gillnetting should be allowed for any reason. The > local tribes are short > sighted and gillnetting for a few seasons will not > make any difference in > their future. This past week guides are reporting that > they are seeing fish > with net marks in numbers that imply that the > rancheria is already > gillnetting on the lower river. Please make the > resources available protect > these valuable fisheries before they are lost forever. > > Sincerely, > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com >From kenealyj@gwi.net Thu Jan 31 14:10:46 2002 Received: from valen.gwi.net (valen.gwi.net [207.5.128.33]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VKAjW26130 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:10:45 - 0600 (CST) Received: from salvelinus (d-216-195-149-191.gwi.net [216.195.149.191]) by valen.gwi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0VKAd520421; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:10:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002801c1aa93$bfc8b200$bf95c3d8@salvelinus> From: "John Kenealy" To: , , Cc: References: <20020131193610.88180.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:13:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: kenealyj@gwi.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I really don't see a worry from Chinese rodmakers. In my short tenure of making rods and in the many years that I have known rodmakers and people who like to fish cane rods, I have found that people want to know the person who is making the rod for them. the most imprtant thing is that relationship with the maker that allows for a rod to be matched to the buyer. As for undercutting us in price- we don't want that market anyway. My $.02 John K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Walters" To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL > If the Chinese competition ever gets it right we may > all be up that creek you're talking about without a > visible means of locomotion. > > Bill W. > > --- Harry Boyd wrote: > > Chris, > > > > Don't be too hard on JC. He spoke very highly > > of one of my rods, as did > > Deanna, at the Fly Anglers Online Fish In last fall. > > In fact (insert big-head > > here) it compared very favorably to Ron Kusse's. > > > http://www.globalflyfisher.com/reports/fishin2001/index.php > > The rod's owner > > also had nice things to say. > > > > JC has seen and cast literally thousands of > > rods, many of them cane. And > > he personally thinks that the Gatti rods are the > > greatest thing since sliced > > bread. I cast a Gatti once. Reminded me of a phone > > pole. Apparently JC and > > Ron Kusse are close friends. Nothing wrong with > > that. I've seen Kusse's rods > > and was duly impressed. Ron has done his best to > > help me a coupla times, and I > > really appreciate it. > > > > As Hal Manas wrote, I don't find anything really > > offensive in either > > article. I don't agree with them, but am not > > bothered by what JC and LF say. > > I do NOT wish for a return to anyone's idea of a > > golden age of bamboo when only > > a double handful of companies were making rods. I > > like selling a few rods to > > help pay for my own, and to afford me the ability to > > give away a rod now and > > then. If top of the line bamboo rods suddenly began > > selling for $400, then all > > of us who sell for 2-5 times that amount might well > > be up a creek. > > > > Harry > > > > > > "Christopher A. Obuchowski, MD" wrote: > > > > > If you guys were bothered by the "what's in a > > name" article, read "the old > > > masters" column (www.flyanglersonline.com and > > click on "the old masters"). > > > > -- > > Harry Boyd > > > > http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods > > http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > >From pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Thu Jan 31 14:16:58 2002 Received: from server.wethersfield.k12.ct.us (www.wethersfield.k12.ct.us [209.19.97.210]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0VKGvW28003 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:16:57 - 0600 (CST) Received: from pvansch [10.1.1.254] by server.wethersfield.k12.ct.us with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A51A355901BA; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:12:10 EDT Reply-To: From: "Peter Van Schaack" To: Cc: "Rod Makers" Subject: RE: the old masters @ FAOL Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:18:24 -0500 Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools Message-ID: <001101c1aa94$6fe14300$fe01010a@pvansch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <3C599A65.BFBAFF46@3g.quik.com> Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Not being a builder yet, I may be out of line here, but I to read the articles and can see how they could be offensive - I remember the threads about labeling rods, if you read back through them you will find many answers to forward on to JC and LF. This would shed some light for them that you as builders are concerned with what you produce and how you market it. Unfortunately, JC and LF may have stumbled across some less honorable builders who have mis-labeled their rods. I don't believe I read any part of the threads from list members that said anyone was labeling a rod, for example a "Garrison" and selling it as a Garrison, but labeled a rod as built on a Garrison taper, by XYZ rodmaker. If I was in your shoes as a rodmakers, selling rods, keeping a craft alive, a tradition alive, I would kindly forwards excerpts from these threads to JC and LF along with a link to your websites. Invite them to cast your rods. I have learned a great deal from everyone here, so when I do start making my own, I have an excellent resource for information and knowledge. If every rodmaker on this list sent a message to JC and LF, and let them know "I build rods in the tradition of the masters" Maybe they will have a better understanding of what you folks really do. I don't think anyone is mass producing "production rods" not at the poor quality of yester' year, what is being produced today is a high quality bamboo flyrod, those who choose bamboo are going to pay for, and expect to get a quality flyrod. I have never cast a $600.00 graphite rod that cast a whole lot better than a $150.00 graphite rod, yet I have cast some old production bamboo rods that are c$%% and have cast some high quality rods that are wonderful. My opinion. Thanks for your knowledge, Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu] On Behalf Of Harry Boyd Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:26 PM To: ChristopherO@epicimaging.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL Chris, Don't be too hard on JC. He spoke very highly of one of my rods, as did Deanna, at the Fly Anglers Online Fish In last fall. In fact (insert big-head here) it compared very favorably to Ron Kusse's. http://www.globalflyfisher.com/reports/fishin2001/index.php The rod's owner also had nice things to say. JC has seen and cast literally thousands of rods, many of them cane. And he personally thinks that the Gatti rods are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I cast a Gatti once. Reminded me of a phone pole. Apparently JC and Ron Kusse are close friends. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen Kusse's rods and was duly impressed. Ron has done his best to help me a coupla times, and I really appreciate it. As Hal Manas wrote, I don't find anything really offensive in either article. I don't agree with them, but am not bothered by what JC and LF say. I do NOT wish for a return to anyone's idea of a golden age of bamboo when only a double handful of companies were making rods. I like selling a few rods to help pay for my own, and to afford me the ability to give away a rod now and then. If top of the line bamboo rods suddenly began selling for $400, then all of us who sell for 2-5 times that amount might well be up a creek. Harry "Christopher A. Obuchowski, MD" wrote: > If you guys were bothered by the "what's in a name" article, read "the > old masters" column (www.flyanglersonline.com and click on "the old > masters"). -- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church >From kgaucher@midmaine.com Thu Jan 31 14:19:05 2002 Received: from mail.midmaine.com (mail.midmaine.com [216.220.230.115]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VKJ4W28874 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:19:04 - 0600 (CST) Received: from uymfdlvk (216-220-248-112.midmaine.com [216.220.248.112]) by mail.midmaine.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA10965 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:19:13 - 0500 Message-ID: <004901c1aa94$246ba280$def8dcd8@uymfdlvk> From: "Ken Gaucher" To: Subject: Netting Salmon Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:14:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C1AA69.EF02A320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: kgaucher@midmaine.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C1AA69.EF02A320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems to me the Indians have the right, and should be able, to fish = their ancestral rivers, Exactly as their ancesters did, with spears, not = nylon nets. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C1AA69.EF02A320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
    Seems to me the = Indians have the=20 right, and should be able, to fish their ancestral rivers,=20 Exactly as their ancesters did, with spears, not = nylon=20 nets.
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C1AA69.EF02A320-- >From rcurry@ttlc.net Thu Jan 31 14:35:17 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VKZGW05009 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:35:16 - 0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [140.186.40.141] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA562CC600F4; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3C59AB3A.7060806@ttlc.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:38:18 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rod Subject: Fraud rods Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Let's not deceive ourselves. It is true that some are producing rods falsely attributed to famous makers. After the Leonard shop closed there were a lot of Leonard-stamped reelseats floating around, and some ended up on rods; I know, I bought one. There are probably as many fake Gillums in circulation as splinters of the True Cross. We have even had people searching through this board for rodmakers decals --- and replacing a decal is akin to copying writing on the shaft. It doesn't matter that you are putting a Heddon sticker on a Heddon, it is false pretenses concerning the true condition of the rod (restored, not mint). How many rodmakers will make a replacement tip for someone? Do they mark it with their name; probably not, which means the next buyer thinks he has an original tip. Is that fraud? You tell me. -- Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ >From rcurry@ttlc.net Thu Jan 31 14:37:55 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VKbrW06210 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:37:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [140.186.40.141] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AADC3B7F0112; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:36:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3C59ABC0.9080904@ttlc.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:40:32 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kgaucher@midmaine.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Netting Salmon References: <004901c1aa94$246ba280$def8dcd8@uymfdlvk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ken, A lot of them used weirs or fish traps. Very efficient catching machines. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Ken Gaucher wrote: > > > Seems to me the Indians have the right, and should be able, to fish > their ancestral rivers, Exactly as their ancesters did, with spears, not > nylon nets. > -- >From paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Thu Jan 31 14:42:13 2002 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VKgCW07950 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:42:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from ntlworld.com ([213.104.32.57]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127- 20010626) with ESMTP id <20020131204211.THKG7000.mta06- svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com>; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:42:11 +0000 Message-ID: <3C59AB7F.97314766@ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:39:27 +0000 From: "paul.blakley" Reply-To: paul.blakley@ntlworld.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; I) X- Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tedknott@cogeco.ca CC: rodmakers@mail.wustL.edu Subject: Re: Ferrule on Hardy Rod References: <000b01c1aa1a$ce80be60$93a78d18@hama1.on.cogeco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ted, I have never worked on this kind of ferrule before but I do know that new replacements can still be obtained from Hardy at a cost of circa ú50 UK Sterling a set. The ferrule design is known as a Hardy 'Stud' Lockjoint and had the patent number 220408...........just a bit of trivia you may ( or may not )be interested in................Paul Ted wrote: > > I have been asked to make a replacement tip for a Hardy Gold Medal rod. > This is not a problem except for removing the existing ferrule, a type I've > not seen before. The ferrule is in good shape and I plan to re-use it. > Usually, I would cut the ferrule off the existing bamboo, then drill out the > core in my lathe. My concern is that all the male ferrules have a spring > loaded detent about an 1/8" up from the end of the slide. When the male > and female are engaged the detent pin snaps into a detent hole in the > female. I don't want to disturb this feature by accidently drilling into > the spring mechanism. Has anyone worked on this type of ferrule? What > should I watch out for? >From patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Jan 31 15:09:23 2002 Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com [12.13.247.21]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VL9MW17194 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:09:22 - 0600 (CST) Received: from blv-av-01.boeing.com ([192.54.3.60]) by stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id PAA19543; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:05:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-01.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-01) with ESMTP id NAA04642; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh- 02.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.54.12.28]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id g0VL5sb10017; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:05:58 -0800 Message-ID: <58B6DA1B98AA9149B13B029976A48BCC07E76C22@xch-nw- 31.nw.nos.boeing.com> From: "Coffey, Patrick W" To: "'rcurry@ttlc.net'" , kgaucher@midmaine.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: Netting Salmon Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:05:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Reply-To: patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN you obviously haven't seen them on our rivers. nets going 75% of the way across the rivers, every other one from the opposite bank and one net every 100 feet. The lucky fish, who ever he is, had to zig zag all the way up the river from one bank to the other passing up his relatives laying on the banks rotting in the sun while our noble red brothers attempt to sober up. like napalm in the morning (ha ha) Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- From: Reed Curry [mailto:rcurry@ttlc.net] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:41 PM To: kgaucher@midmaine.com Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Netting Salmon Ken, A lot of them used weirs or fish traps. Very efficient catching machines. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Ken Gaucher wrote: > > > Seems to me the Indians have the right, and should be able, to fish > their ancestral rivers, Exactly as their ancesters did, with spears, not > nylon nets. > -- >From bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 31 15:34:20 2002 Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VLYJW24580 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:34:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from dax ([24.49.107.165]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQTM7R00.EHS; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:57:27 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bob Maulucci" To: , "rod" Subject: Leonard makers Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:56:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME- Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer- Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C59AB3A.7060806@ttlc.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have a question that someone on the list might answer. It relates to today's topic somewhat. There are many places lately where I have read that Tom Maxwell and Ron Kusse built no rods that were sold under the Leonard name. I was told they worked the retail or business end at Leonard. Yet, I see people referring to Maxwell Leonards and others who tell me Ron made rods for Leonard in that era. What is the truth here? Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Reed Curry Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: rod Subject: Fraud rods Let's not deceive ourselves. It is true that some are producing rods falsely attributed to famous makers. After the Leonard shop closed there were a lot of Leonard- stamped reelseats floating around, and some ended up on rods; I know, I bought one. There are probably as many fake Gillums in circulation as splinters of the True Cross. We have even had people searching through this board for rodmakers decals --- and replacing a decal is akin to copying writing on the shaft. It doesn't matter that you are putting a Heddon sticker on a Heddon, it is false pretenses concerning the true condition of the rod (restored, not mint). How many rodmakers will make a replacement tip for someone? Do they mark it with their name; probably not, which means the next buyer thinks he has an original tip. Is that fraud? You tell me. -- Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ >From TSmithwick@aol.com Thu Jan 31 15:42:45 2002 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo- m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VLgiW26829 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:42:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from TSmithwick@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.48.5d69320 (5711) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID44- 0131164230; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:42:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:42:30 EST From: TSmithwick@aol.com Subject: cutting rings To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <48.5d69320.298b1446@aol.com> Reply-To: TSmithwick@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All the talk of ultra light reel seats got me thinking (always dangerous), and I got some light wall stainless tubing with a .695 ID. I would like to cut it with my lathe, which will accept the tube through the headstock. My question is what sort of cutoff tool and speeds would be best, and should I use a wood mandrel or something similar? Or, is the lathe not the best way to aproach this? >From iank@ts.co.nz Thu Jan 31 15:45:36 2002 Received: from sage.ts.co.nz (sage.tasman.net [202.49.92.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VLjYW27631 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:45:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0VLp3P10326 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:51:03 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: sage.ts.co.nz: nobody set sender to iank@ts.co.nz using -f Received: (from nobody@localhost) by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0VLp1P10236; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:51:01 +1300 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:51:01 +1300 Message-Id: <200201312151.g0VLp1P10236@sage.ts.co.nz> X-Authentication-Warning: sage.ts.co.nz: nobody set sender to iank@ts.co.nz using -f From: "IanKearney" To: alan.grombacher@pioneer.com, "'stoltz10@attbi.com'" , rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE: 7613 swelled butt modification X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X- IPAddress: 155.187.2.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Reply-To: iank@ts.co.nz Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN It is my understanding, I think mentioned in the book on him, that Dickerson made all of his butts the same size,.375 , so it was easier to have a constant size for reel seats. I have made a number of Dickerson rods with .350 handles ( to fit the form easier) and cannot notice the difference in action, but then I am not a great at casting. Ian > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > > Tim, > > Isn't the butt of the 7613 miked at .375. I understood the 7613 to have a > .375 butt. > > > Cheers, > > Alberta Al Grombacher > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim [mailto:stoltz10@attbi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:04 PM > To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > Subject: 7613 swelled butt modification > > > Will it change action if the butt section is .34-.35 instead of .36, most of > which will be under the handle? > > > -- Tasman Solutions Ltd. Real People in Cyber Space http://www.ts.co.nz >From iank@ts.co.nz Thu Jan 31 15:50:35 2002 Received: from sage.ts.co.nz (sage.tasman.net [202.49.92.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VLoXW29042 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:50:33 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0VLu3d16034 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:56:03 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: sage.ts.co.nz: nobody set sender to iank@ts.co.nz using -f Received: (from nobody@localhost) by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0VLu2T16029; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:56:02 +1300 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:56:02 +1300 Message-Id: <200201312156.g0VLu2T16029@sage.ts.co.nz> X-Authentication-Warning: sage.ts.co.nz: nobody set sender to iank@ts.co.nz using -f From: "IanKearney" To: beadman@mac.com, avyoung@iinet.net.au, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: satellite views and cricket- irrelevant to 99.8% of the worlds population X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X- IPAddress: 155.187.2.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Reply-To: iank@ts.co.nz Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Tony will be trying to get a shot of the cricket matches over the weekend- Australia are struggling in the latest series after losing 7 of the last 8 matches to New Zealand. :)) Ian > At 11:19 PM +0800 on 1/31/02, Tony Young wrote about satellite views > > >That's a pretty good view of the football dome but where do I look > >for a space shot of the Melbourne Cricket Ground? > > > > I'm not sure, Tony, but here's a good starting point: > > http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/PIADetQuery.html > > Scroll down to the "Search by feature name" area, type in > "Australia", and hit RETURN. I don't think any of these are Zoom > type photos, but some are good ones anyway. > > Claude > > -- Tasman Solutions Ltd. Real People in Cyber Space http://www.ts.co.nz >From kgaucher@midmaine.com Thu Jan 31 16:03:14 2002 Received: from mail.midmaine.com (mail.midmaine.com [216.220.230.115]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VM3DW02307 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:03:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from uymfdlvk (216-220-253- 23.midmaine.com [216.220.253.23]) by mail.midmaine.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23748 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:03:21 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c1aaa2$b084c680$4cf9dcd8@uymfdlvk> From: "Ken Gaucher" To: Subject: Fw: Netting Salmon Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:58:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer- Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: kgaucher@midmaine.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gaucher" To: "Coffey, Patrick W" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Netting Salmon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Coffey, Patrick W" > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:05 PM > Subject: RE: Netting Salmon > > > > you obviously haven't seen them on our rivers. nets going 75% of the way > > across the rivers, every other one from the opposite bank and one net > every > > 100 feet. The lucky fish, who ever he is, had to zig zag all the way up > the > > river from one bank to the other passing up his relatives laying on the > > banks rotting in the sun while our noble red brothers attempt to sober up. > > like napalm in the morning (ha ha) > > > > > > Patrick W. Coffey > > AOG Incident Repair Planning > > Phone: 425-234-2901 > > Fax: 425-237-0083 > > M-2112 M/C 61-79 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Reed Curry [mailto:rcurry@ttlc.net] > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:41 PM > > To: kgaucher@midmaine.com > > Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > > Subject: Re: Netting Salmon > > > > > > Ken, > > A lot of them used weirs or fish traps. Very efficient catching > > machines. > > Best regards, > > Reed > > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > Ken Gaucher wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me the Indians have the right, and should be able, to fish > > > their ancestral rivers, Exactly as their ancesters did, with spears, not > > > nylon nets. > > > > > No I havn't seen the nets personally. I heard Schwiebert speek at UFT > once about a fabulous strain of salmon in Norway, some fish going to the > 100lb mark, that were wiped out in just a few years with nets. The local > farmers there couldn't afford cotton nets because they rotted and had to be > replaced every few years. When nylon came on the scene, they could afford to > buy a net that would last many years, and they destroyed that genetic gene > pool. > I was being a smar a__. No I don't believe anyone should be taking the > number of fish the Indians are. Nothing against the people, it's just common > sense the recource can't handle it. A couple of years income isn't worth > permanantly destroying the run. > Some politicians are probably lining their pockets and don't really give > a dam about anything else. > > > > -- > >From horsesho@ptd.net Thu Jan 31 16:24:52 2002 Received: from smtpe.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpe.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.85]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0VMOpW06959 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:24:52 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 13467 invoked by uid 50005); 31 Jan 2002 22:24:45 -0000 Received: from horsesho@ptd.net by smtpe.ha-net.ptd.net by uid 50002 with qmail-scanner-1.10 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4183. . Clear:0. Processed in 0.73568 secs); 31 Jan 2002 22:24:45 -0000 Received: from du28.cli.ptd.net (HELO ptd.net) ([204.186.33.28]) (envelope- sender ) by smtpe.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Jan 2002 22:24:43 -0000 Message-ID: <3C59C10D.60102@ptd.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:11:25 -0500 From: "Marty D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rcurry@ttlc.net CC: rod Subject: Re: Fraud rods References: <3C59AB3A.7060806@ttlc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: horsesho@ptd.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Every rod that is in restored condition should be considered as having replacement parts. I always felt that this is why restored rods have considerably less value than original ones. I know I have made more than a few tips for classics over the years. Marty Reed Curry wrote: > Let's not deceive ourselves. It is true that some are producing > rods falsely attributed to famous makers. After the Leonard shop > closed there were a lot of Leonard-stamped reelseats floating around, > and some ended up on rods; I know, I bought one. There are probably as > many fake Gillums in circulation as splinters of the True Cross. > We have even had people searching through this board for rodmakers > decals --- and replacing a decal is akin to copying writing on the > shaft. It doesn't matter that you are putting a Heddon sticker on a > Heddon, it is false pretenses concerning the true condition of the rod > (restored, not mint). > How many rodmakers will make a replacement tip for someone? Do > they mark it with their name; probably not, which means the next buyer > thinks he has an original tip. Is that fraud? You tell me. >From horsesho@ptd.net Thu Jan 31 16:31:18 2002 Received: from smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.86]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g0VMVEW08500 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:31:17 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 22400 invoked by uid 50005); 31 Jan 2002 22:31:10 -0000 Received: from horsesho@ptd.net by smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net by uid 50002 with qmail-scanner-1.10 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4183. . Clear:0. Processed in 3.632568 secs); 31 Jan 2002 22:31:10 -0000 Received: from du28.cli.ptd.net (HELO ptd.net) ([204.186.33.28]) (envelope- sender ) by smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Jan 2002 22:31:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3C59C28C.6020607@ptd.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:17:48 -0500 From: "Marty D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bob@downandacross.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Leonard makers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: horsesho@ptd.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN You are correct Bob. Kusse managed the factory store and Maxwell managed the shop. The term "Maxwell Leonard" refers to the appearance of the Leonard rod after Maxwell joined the company.It was a dramatic change for the better. There is no comparison visually between a Simroe Leonard and a Maxwell Leonard. Marty Bob Maulucci wrote: >I have a question that someone on the list might answer. It relates to >today's topic somewhat. There are many places lately where I have read that >Tom Maxwell and Ron Kusse built no rods that were sold under the Leonard >name. I was told they worked the retail or business end at Leonard. Yet, I >see people referring to Maxwell Leonards and others who tell me Ron made >rods for Leonard in that era. >What is the truth here? >Bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu >[mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Reed Curry >Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:38 PM >To: rod >Subject: Fraud rods > > > Let's not deceive ourselves. It is true that some are >producing rods >falsely attributed to famous makers. After the Leonard shop closed there >were a lot of Leonard-stamped reelseats floating around, and some ended >up on rods; I know, I bought one. There are probably as many fake >Gillums in circulation as splinters of the True Cross. > We have even had people searching through this board for >rodmakers decals >--- and replacing a decal is akin to copying writing on the shaft. It >doesn't matter that you are putting a Heddon sticker on a Heddon, it is >false pretenses concerning the true condition of the rod (restored, not >mint). > How many rodmakers will make a replacement tip for someone? >Do they mark >it with their name; probably not, which means the next buyer thinks he >has an original tip. Is that fraud? You tell me. >-- >Best regards, >Reed >http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > > >From lblan@provide.net Thu Jan 31 16:36:44 2002 Received: from provide.net (mail.provide.net [216.86.64.42]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VMaiW09856 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:36:44 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [199.178.212.2] (account ) by provide.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5.2) with HTTP id 10853194; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:36:37 -0500 From: Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL To: , Cc: "Rod Makers" X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.2 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:36:37 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c1aa94$6fe14300$fe01010a@pvansch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: lblan@provide.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN JC and Deaana were both at the Grayrock Gathering 4 or so years ago. They both know people they could have asked for opinions prior to writing the article, if they had chosen to represent more than one viewpoint. Larry Blan On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:18:24 -0500 "Peter Van Schaack" wrote: > Not being a builder yet, I may be out of line here, but I > to read the > articles and can see how they could be offensive - I > remember the > threads about labeling rods, if you read back through > them you will find > many answers to forward on to JC and LF. This would shed > some light for > them that you as builders are concerned with what you > produce and how > you market it. Unfortunately, JC and LF may have stumbled > across some > less honorable builders who have mis-labeled their rods. > > I don't believe I read any part of the threads from list > members that > said anyone was labeling a rod, for example a "Garrison" > and selling it > as a Garrison, but labeled a rod as built on a Garrison > taper, by XYZ > rodmaker. > > If I was in your shoes as a rodmakers, selling rods, > keeping a craft > alive, a tradition alive, I would kindly forwards > excerpts from these > threads to JC and LF along with a link to your websites. > Invite them to > cast your rods. I have learned a great deal from everyone > here, so when > I do start making my own, I have an excellent resource > for information > and knowledge. > > If every rodmaker on this list sent a message to JC and > LF, and let them > know "I build rods in the tradition of the masters" Maybe > they will have > a better understanding of what you folks really do. I > don't think anyone > is mass producing "production rods" not at the poor > quality of yester' > year, what is being produced today is a high quality > bamboo flyrod, > those who choose bamboo are going to pay for, and expect > to get a > quality flyrod. > > I have never cast a $600.00 graphite rod that cast a > whole lot better > than a $150.00 graphite rod, yet I have cast some old > production bamboo > rods that are c$%% and have cast some high quality rods > that are > wonderful. > > My opinion. > > Thanks for your knowledge, > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu] On Behalf Of > Harry Boyd > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:26 PM > To: ChristopherO@epicimaging.com > Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL > > > Chris, > > Don't be too hard on JC. He spoke very highly of one > of my rods, as > did Deanna, at the Fly Anglers Online Fish In last fall. > In fact > (insert big-head > here) it compared very favorably to Ron Kusse's. > http://www.globalflyfisher.com/reports/fishin2001/index.php > The rod's > owner also had nice things to say. > > JC has seen and cast literally thousands of rods, > many of them cane. > And he personally thinks that the Gatti rods are the > greatest thing > since sliced bread. I cast a Gatti once. Reminded me of > a phone pole. > Apparently JC and Ron Kusse are close friends. Nothing > wrong with that. > I've seen Kusse's rods and was duly impressed. Ron has > done his best to > help me a coupla times, and I really appreciate it. > > As Hal Manas wrote, I don't find anything really > offensive in either > article. I don't agree with them, but am not bothered by > what JC and LF > say. I do NOT wish for a return to anyone's idea of a > golden age of > bamboo when only a double handful of companies were > making rods. I like > selling a few rods to help pay for my own, and to afford > me the ability > to give away a rod now and then. If top of the line > bamboo rods > suddenly began selling for $400, then all of us who sell > for 2-5 times > that amount might well be up a creek. > > Harry > > > "Christopher A. Obuchowski, MD" wrote: > > > If you guys were bothered by the "what's in a name" > article, read "the > > > old masters" column (www.flyanglersonline.com and click > on "the old > > masters"). > > -- > Harry Boyd > > http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods > http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church >From bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Thu Jan 31 16:41:04 2002 Received: from mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.91]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VMf3W11371 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:41:03 - 0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201312241.g0VMf3W11371@wugate.wustl.edu> Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.211.39]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:42:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:39:49 -0500 From: Shawn Pineo Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GBuckley@aapg.org CC: rod Subject: Re: Neat old makers' brochures online References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Gerald, thanks allot for the cool links! I saved many of the shots and loaded them into my "Webshots" screensaver program along with all the other ones I already had. Very therapeutic just to sit and watch the fly fishing/bamboo rod shots cycle through while the "babbling brook" Wave file plays in the background. Ahhhhhh, how long till opening day again?? ;^) Shawn Gerald Buckley wrote: > Japanese site ( http://homepage2.nifty.com/bamboorodbrothers/index.htm ) > with great pix of classic printed materials (below) and generally good pix > period: > > Thomas and Leonard brochures > http://homepage2.nifty.com/bamboorodbrothers/basic2.htm > http://homepage2.nifty.com/bamboorodbrothers/basic.htm > > Leonard 1975 > http://homepage2.nifty.com/bamboorodbrothers/basic3.htm > > Brings up an interesting topic I haven't seen covered... how active are the > makers in the asian countries these days? When I visited R.L. Winston > several years ago Glenn was featured in an article in a Japanese > (rodmakers?) magazine. Curious. > > Gerald >From Grhghlndr@aol.com Thu Jan 31 16:58:05 2002 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VMw4W15537 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:58:04 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Grhghlndr@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id f.15b.839dd21 (4563); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:57:52 -0500 (EST) From: Grhghlndr@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.839dd21.298b25ed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:57:49 EST Subject: Re: Fraud rods To: horsesho@ptd.net, rcurry@ttlc.net CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15b.839dd21.298b25ed_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: Grhghlndr@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_15b.839dd21.298b25ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But how about restored rods by the original makers? I have a couple of Heddons that were restored by Bernard Hills and all he did was re wrap them, fix lettering redo the reelseats and revarnish. He and his wife were both responsible for the work on these rods when they were new. Are these fraud rods now? Is a Garrison or Gillum or Zimny etc rod fraudulent because they may have been redone by the original makers and should they mark them as restored? Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --part1_15b.839dd21.298b25ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But how about restored rods by the original makers?  I have a couple of Heddons that were restored by Bernard Hills and all he did was re wrap them, fix lettering redo the reelseats and revarnish.  He and his wife were both responsible for the work on these rods when they were new.  Are these fraud rods now?  Is a Garrison or Gillum or Zimny etc rod fraudulent because they may have been redone by the original makers and should they mark them as restored?

Bret

http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/
 --part1_15b.839dd21.298b25ed_boundary-- >From rcurry@ttlc.net Thu Jan 31 17:00:03 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VN02W16094 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:00:02 - 0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [140.186.40.141] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC4148F600AE; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3C59CD24.30605@ttlc.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:03:00 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marty D." CC: rod Subject: Re: Fraud rods References: <3C59AB3A.7060806@ttlc.net> <3C59C10D.60102@ptd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Marty, While many experienced collectors can detect a restored rod, sometimes the work is done so artfully that the restoration is not apparent. In this case the prospective purchaser may believe that all the parts are original. Sometimes this is the intent of the seller/repairer...this is called fraud, is it not? Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Marty D. wrote: > Every rod that is in restored condition should be considered as having > replacement parts. I always felt that this is why restored rods have > considerably less value than original ones. I know I have made more than > a few tips for classics over the years. Marty > >From caneman@clnk.com Thu Jan 31 17:00:38 2002 Received: from ispram.clnk.com (mail.clnk.com [12.5.228.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VN0bW16300 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:00:37 - 0600 (CST) Received: from caneman ([12.19.118.193]) by ispram.clnk.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:59:28 -0600 Message-ID: <07b801c1aaaa$69179540$8a76130c@caneman> From: "Bob Nunley" To: , , "rod" References: Subject: Re: Leonard makers Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:55:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: caneman@clnk.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ron was the Vice-president of Leonard from 1972 to 1981. Whether he actually made rods during that era, I don't know, but knowing Ron, I'd say he probably did. Tom Maxwell was there only in 80 and 81... again, I don't know for sure that he made rods for them or if he just served in an administrative position, but just gut feeling says he either was involved as a maker or directed such. Maybe someone else knows more and can give us details! Later, Bob R.L. Nunley, Rodmaker Custom Split Cane Flyrods http://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Maulucci" To: ; "rod" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Leonard makers > I have a question that someone on the list might answer. It relates to > today's topic somewhat. There are many places lately where I have read that > Tom Maxwell and Ron Kusse built no rods that were sold under the Leonard > name. I was told they worked the retail or business end at Leonard. Yet, I > see people referring to Maxwell Leonards and others who tell me Ron made > rods for Leonard in that era. > What is the truth here? > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Reed Curry > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:38 PM > To: rod > Subject: Fraud rods > > > Let's not deceive ourselves. It is true that some are > producing rods > falsely attributed to famous makers. After the Leonard shop closed there > were a lot of Leonard-stamped reelseats floating around, and some ended > up on rods; I know, I bought one. There are probably as many fake > Gillums in circulation as splinters of the True Cross. > We have even had people searching through this board for > rodmakers decals > --- and replacing a decal is akin to copying writing on the shaft. It > doesn't matter that you are putting a Heddon sticker on a Heddon, it is > false pretenses concerning the true condition of the rod (restored, not > mint). > How many rodmakers will make a replacement tip for someone? > Do they mark > it with their name; probably not, which means the next buyer thinks he > has an original tip. Is that fraud? You tell me. > -- > Best regards, > Reed > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > >From rcurry@ttlc.net Thu Jan 31 17:14:21 2002 Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VNEKW20743 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:14:20 - 0600 (CST) Received: from ttlc.net [140.186.40.141] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF9953620030; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:13:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3C59D07C.5020904@ttlc.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:17:16 -0500 From: Reed Curry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grhghlndr@aol.com CC: horsesho@ptd.net, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Fraud rods References: <15b.839dd21.298b25ed@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: rcurry@ttlc.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bret, I think the answer to this is apparent -- work done by the original maker who has the rights to the name does not constitute an attempt at fraud. If Bernard Hills was working for Heddon at the time he made the repairs, then they were legitimately restored; if however, he was not currently working for them, or did not have their imprimator for the work, then it is legally fraudulent (forgery) for him to use the Heddon name or lettering, whether or not he once worked for them. He could always write "B. Hills - Restorer" on the rod, to remove all doubt about the restoration and the status of the rod. Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote: > But how about restored rods by the original makers? I have a couple of > Heddons that were restored by Bernard Hills and all he did was re wrap > them, fix lettering redo the reelseats and revarnish. He and his wife > were both responsible for the work on these rods when they were new. > Are these fraud rods now? Is a Garrison or Gillum or Zimny etc rod > fraudulent because they may have been redone by the original makers and > should they mark them as restored? > > Bret > > http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ -- >From bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 31 17:27:45 2002 Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VNRiW25777 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:27:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from dax ([24.49.107.165]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQTT6200.A7Z; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:27:38 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bob Maulucci" To: "Bob Nunley" , , "rod" Subject: RE: Leonard makers Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:27:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer- Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <07b801c1aaaa$69179540$8a76130c@caneman> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks Bob. I should have mentioned that my question stems from a thread on Clark Davis's Board. Look for "Maxwell Leonards." The rumour mill is turning pretty fast and wild on that thread. It is pretty interesting. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nunley [mailto:caneman@clnk.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:56 PM To: bob@downandacross.com; rcurry@ttlc.net; rod Subject: Re: Leonard makers Ron was the Vice-president of Leonard from 1972 to 1981. Whether he actually made rods during that era, I don't know, but knowing Ron, I'd say he probably did. Tom Maxwell was there only in 80 and 81... again, I don't know for sure that he made rods for them or if he just served in an administrative position, but just gut feeling says he either was involved as a maker or directed such. Maybe someone else knows more and can give us details! Later, Bob >From bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 31 17:27:46 2002 Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VNRiW25778 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:27:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from dax ([24.49.107.165]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQTT6100.P8F; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:27:37 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bob Maulucci" To: , Cc: "rod" Subject: RE: Neat old makers' brochures online Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:27:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content- Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X- Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200201312241.g0VMf3W11371@wugate.wustl.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Shawn: I just received another magazine today in my getting out of hand collector kind of way. Inside was a neat article on EC Powell. Maybe some of you would be interested in seeing it. I posted it on the server http://www.powerfibers.com/powell.pdf It is a nice retrospective from the Creel, Newsletter of the Flyfishers Club of Oregon, 1969, Volume 7, Number 1. Best regards. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Shawn Pineo Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:40 PM To: GBuckley@aapg.org Cc: rod Subject: Re: Neat old makers' brochures online Gerald, thanks allot for the cool links! I saved many of the shots and loaded them into my "Webshots" screensaver program along with all the other ones I already had. Very therapeutic just to sit and watch the fly fishing/bamboo rod shots cycle through while the "babbling brook" Wave file plays in the background. Ahhhhhh, how long till opening day again?? ;^) Shawn >From SBDunn@aol.com Thu Jan 31 17:30:18 2002 Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VNUHW26835 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:30:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from SBDunn@aol.com by imo- r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.fd.13115b36 (3990) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:30:08 -0500 (EST) From: SBDunn@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:30:07 EST Subject: Grooving an old Stanley 9 1/2 To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: SBDunn@aol.com Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have just about finished resurrecting a derelict old Stanley 9 1/2 plane. As I was flattening the sole, I had an idea that I thought I would try. I think I will only groove the adjustable part of the sole -- that portion that is in front of the blade. It seems like the groove would keep the blade from nicking the forms, while the "ungrooved" portion would press the strip in the form better and keep the edges of the groove from "falling off" the form. I don't know if I explained that "falling off" stuff clearly, but I hope you understand what I mean. Has anyone tried this? Regards, Steve. >From darrell@vFish.net Thu Jan 31 17:38:23 2002 Received: from torme.siteprotect.com (torme.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.66]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VNcLW28897 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:38:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from dlee (adsl-63-194-22- 85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.22.85]) by torme.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04550 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:38:20 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Darrell Lee" To: Subject: NFLCC North Hollywood, CA tackle show Feb 1-2 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:37:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Anybody going? I will be there both days. I'm wondering if any cane people will be attending, if so, please contact me offlist. I'd like to get a feel of how many will be attending so I can decide how much cane rod stuff to bring. Please come by and say hi if you will be attending. Regards, Darrell Lee http://www.abebooks.com/home/DARRELLL/ http://www.vfish.net Info & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 Toll-Free U.S. Order Line (877)452-2420 >From darrell@vFish.net Thu Jan 31 17:38:23 2002 Received: from torme.siteprotect.com (torme.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.66]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VNcMW28901 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:38:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from dlee (adsl-63-194-22- 85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.22.85]) by torme.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04553 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:38:21 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Darrell Lee" To: "rod" Subject: RE: Fraud rods Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:37:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer- Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C59CD24.30605@ttlc.net> Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Actually restorations are usually not too hard to detect on rods 50+ years old as the varnish will have usually aged/darkened varnish. Also, a skilled restorers work will sometimes look BETTER than the original makers work... Other clues include few vintage rods were dipped and many restorations I have seen appear to have been dipped. A restorer that can fool an experienced collector is probably making rods that sell for a lot of money... and he shouldn't need to try to deceive people to make a living. Regards, Darrell Lee Anglers Collectibles Exchange http://www.vfish.net Info & Int'l Line: (323)465-4551 -----Original Message----- From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Reed Curry Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:03 PM To: Marty D. Cc: rod Subject: Re: Fraud rods Marty, While many experienced collectors can detect a restored rod, sometimes the work is done so artfully that the restoration is not apparent. In this case the prospective purchaser may believe that all the parts are original. Sometimes this is the intent of the seller/repairer...this is called fraud, is it not? Best regards, Reed http://www.overmywaders.com/ Marty D. wrote: > Every rod that is in restored condition should be considered as having > replacement parts. I always felt that this is why restored rods have > considerably less value than original ones. I know I have made more than > a few tips for classics over the years. Marty > >From bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Thu Jan 31 17:40:26 2002 Received: from mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.91]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VNePW29653 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:40:25 - 0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201312340.g0VNePW29653@wugate.wustl.edu> Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.216.115]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:41:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:38:56 -0500 From: Shawn Pineo Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bob@downandacross.com CC: GBuckley@aapg.org, rod Subject: Re: Neat old makers' brochures online References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------35D31E30B8E1182BF254433F" Reply-To: bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --------------35D31E30B8E1182BF254433F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, thanks for sharing, I love seeing these articles! By the way, congratulations on another great issue of Powerfibers! Do you know, is there a way to save images out of a Pdf. document?? Thanks, Shawn Bob Maulucci wrote: > Shawn: > I just received another magazine today in my getting out of hand collector > kind of way. Inside was a neat article on EC Powell. Maybe some of you would > be interested in seeing it. I posted it on the server > http://www.powerfibers.com/powell.pdf > It is a nice retrospective from the Creel, Newsletter of the Flyfishers Club > of Oregon, 1969, Volume 7, Number 1. > Best regards. > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Shawn Pineo > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:40 PM > To: GBuckley@aapg.org > Cc: rod > Subject: Re: Neat old makers' brochures online > > Gerald, > thanks allot for the cool links! I saved many of the shots and > loaded them into my "Webshots" screensaver program along with all the other > ones I already had. > Very therapeutic just to sit and watch the fly fishing/bamboo > rod shots > cycle through while the "babbling brook" Wave file plays in the background. > Ahhhhhh, how long till opening day again?? > ;^) > Shawn --------------35D31E30B8E1182BF254433F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob,
        thanks for sharing, I love seeing these articles! By the way, congratulations on another great issue of Powerfibers!
       Do you know, is there a way to save images out of a Pdf. document??
                                                                                         Thanks,
                                                                                                     Shawn
Bob Maulucci wrote:
Shawn:
I just received another magazine today in my getting out of hand collector
kind of way. Inside was a neat article on EC Powell. Maybe some of you would
be interested in seeing it. I posted it on the server
http://www.powerfibers.com/powell.pdf
It is a nice retrospective from the Creel, Newsletter of the Flyfishers Club
of Oregon, 1969, Volume 7, Number 1.
Best regards.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu
[mailto:owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Shawn Pineo
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:40 PM
To: GBuckley@aapg.org
Cc: rod
Subject: Re: Neat old makers' brochures online

Gerald,
            thanks allot for the cool links! I saved many of the shots and
loaded them into my "Webshots" screensaver program along with all the other
ones I already had.
      Very therapeutic just to sit and watch the fly fishing/bamboo
rod shots
cycle through while the "babbling brook" Wave file plays in the background.
      Ahhhhhh, how long till opening day again??
                                                          ;^)
                                                              Shawn

--------------35D31E30B8E1182BF254433F-- >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 17:59:23 2002 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g0VNxMW05026 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:59:22 - 0600 (CST) Received: from pool0318.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.147.63] helo=computer) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WR6t-0000g4-00; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:59:20 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c1aab3$4bf50020$3f93b3d1@computer> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: "Miller, Troy" Cc: "Rodmakers" References: Subject: Re: Different kind of line Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:58:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Troy, I think they must have a handle on it now. The clear tip while clear never gets sticky. The splice they use could use some refinement though. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, Troy" To: "Adam Vigil" Cc: "Rodmakers" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: RE: Different kind of line > Hi Adam -- > > It must be something different than the clear Monic line that I bought to > fish the salt about five years ago. The line was so sticky on the surface, > it would not shoot two feet per casting stroke. It felt like the countertop > the morning after a great party, you know how it feels when dried beer gets > gummy/sticky? I took it on two or three day trips, stripped it off, and > bought the Laser Tropic Plus. The monic is back in its box in my tackle > closet, and I am sure it will be sold on e-bay by my kids when I die. I'd > love to hear that they figured it out and that they are making "good" lines > now. I've never liked lines that change character when they are wet or dry. > Up 'til now, I've preferred 444s for that very reason. They work the same > on the lawn or in the water. MHO and NFI -- TAM > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Vigil [mailto:atlasc1@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:44 AM > To: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu > Subject: Different kind of line > > > One of the lines I use and like very much is a Monic Phantom Line. It has a > 10' FLOATING clear tip. The rest of the line is a mono core and super slick > normal line and has no memory. It shoots like a laser. The clear tip is > great when casting over spooking trout because it cast no shadow over the > water. With a 12' leader you have 22' of clear line on the water. They are > the only one that has floating clear line..they have a patent on it. AirFlow > wishes they had it. > > Adam > >From channer@frontier.net Thu Jan 31 18:03:27 2002 Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g1103QW06539 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:03:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from frontier.net (ppp227.pm3-10.durango.frontier.net [66.118.194.227]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109E37A4EF for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:03:33 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C59DB4A.D98E73EB@frontier.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:03:22 -0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Tube which end up? References: <002601c1aa6a$91cef7c0$de93b3d1@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Adam; Good idea, but the rods still belong in the tube with the female ferrule UP! john > Adam Vigil wrote: > > Do this to keep those keep those ferrules safe, > > Take 1/2" of closed cell foam and cut it into a circle. Push it into > the bottom of the tube with a dowel or broom handle. The foam can be > cut from a cheap Morey Boogie type kick board. This will absorb any > shock the sections my receive while in the tubes. > > Adam >From swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 18:09:50 2002 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g1109oW08967 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:09:50 - 0600 (CST) Received: from user-uivefg1.dsl.mindspring.com ([165.247.62.1]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WRGz-0007Zq-00; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:09:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:07:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard makers From: "swiftriverflyfishing" To: bob@downandacross.com, rcurry@ttlc.net, rod Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Reply-To: swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi - You should give Ron Kusse a call, he usually likes to talk. He did tell me that Maxwell had a serious impact on the cosmetics and that when he did get to spend time with the rods he would do so in the finishing room. Rick T. ---------- >From: "Bob Maulucci" >To: , "rod" >Subject: Leonard makers >Date: Thu, Jan 31, 2002, 3:56 PM > >I have a question that someone on the list might answer. It relates to >today's topic somewhat. There are many places lately where I have read that >Tom Maxwell and Ron Kusse built no rods that were sold under the Leonard >name. I was told they worked the retail or business end at Leonard. Yet, I >see people referring to Maxwell Leonards and others who tell me Ron made >rods for Leonard in that era. >What is the truth here? >Bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu >[mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Reed Curry >Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:38 PM >To: rod >Subject: Fraud rods > > > Let's not deceive ourselves. It is true that some are >producing rods >falsely attributed to famous makers. After the Leonard shop closed there >were a lot of Leonard-stamped reelseats floating around, and some ended >up on rods; I know, I bought one. There are probably as many fake >Gillums in circulation as splinters of the True Cross. > We have even had people searching through this board for >rodmakers decals >--- and replacing a decal is akin to copying writing on the shaft. It >doesn't matter that you are putting a Heddon sticker on a Heddon, it is >false pretenses concerning the true condition of the rod (restored, not >mint). > How many rodmakers will make a replacement tip for someone? >Do they mark >it with their name; probably not, which means the next buyer thinks he >has an original tip. Is that fraud? You tell me. >-- >Best regards, >Reed >http://www.overmywaders.com/ > >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 18:12:27 2002 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110CQW09989 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:12:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from pool0318.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.147.63] helo=computer) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WRJY-0003gr-00; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:12:24 -0800 Message-ID: <005601c1aab5$1f7d6a80$3f93b3d1@computer> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: , References: Subject: Re: Different kind of line Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:12:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C1AA72.10785600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C1AA72.10785600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, I will put it this way. It cast as much shadow as a leader and a lot = less shadow then what you are using currently. While drifting the line a = shadow is not apparent on the stream bed. While false casting over the = backs of trout they must like it because they sure do not run from it. = Less spooked fish equals more opportunities. Also what makes you think I can read? Adam Vigil ----- Original Message -----=20 From: CALucker@aol.com=20 To: atlasc1@earthlink.net ; rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu=20 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Different kind of line In a message dated 1/31/02 7:44:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, = atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: The clear tip is great when casting over spooking trout because it = cast no shadow over the water.=20 Now, do you really believe that? I think that's just what it says on = the box. And it will appear to be largely the same as most other lines = as you look from underneath and the line is floating in the surface = film. It is probably better than a red line, but that's probably about = it. Glad you like the way it shoots, though. Chris Lucker=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C1AA72.10785600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
 
I will put it this way. It cast as much = shadow as a=20 leader and a  lot less shadow then what you are using currently. = While=20 drifting the line a shadow is not apparent on the stream bed.  = While=20 false casting over the backs of trout they must like it because = they sure=20 do not run from it. Less spooked fish equals more = opportunities.
 
Also what makes you think I can = read?
 
Adam Vigil
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 CALucker@aol.com=20
To: atlasc1@earthlink.net ; rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu =
Sent: Thursday, January 31, = 2002 9:23=20 AM
Subject: Re: Different kind of = line

In a message dated 1/31/02 7:44:46 AM Pacific = Standard=20 Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net=20 writes:


The clear tip is great when casting over spooking trout = because=20 it cast no shadow over the water.


Now, do you really believe that?  I = think=20 that's just what it says on the box.  And it will appear to be = largely=20 the same as most other lines as you look from underneath and the line = is=20 floating in the surface film.  It is probably better than a red = line, but=20 that's probably about it.
Glad you like the way it shoots, = though.
Chris=20 Lucker ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C1AA72.10785600-- >From swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 18:20:36 2002 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110KZW12959 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:20:35 - 0600 (CST) Received: from user-uivefg1.dsl.mindspring.com ([165.247.62.1]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WRRQ-0007i5-00; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:20:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:18:07 -0500 Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL From: "swiftriverflyfishing" To: ChristopherO@epicimaging.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Reply-To: swiftriverflyfishing@earthlink.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi - I should read the whole article first but it sounds like I may be taken aback. I think it is simply wrong. Kusse and Summers do make great rods but Dorsey, Aroner, Carpenter, Schroeder, Taylor, and a few others are clearly among the all time greats. Behind them are builders like Maurer, Ruhe, and members of this list who may some day equal their achievements. On the Quad side there are guys like Brandin and Spittler who have brought the Quad to a new level. I have had the chance to cast most of those rods along side Paynes, Leonards, Thomases, Gillums and a few others and I find that the rods coming off the bench today do not suffer by comparison. Time mellows all opinions. Rick T. ---------- >From: "Christopher A. Obuchowski, MD" >To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu >Subject: RE: the old masters @ FAOL >Date: Thu, Jan 31, 2002, 1:10 PM > > >If you guys were bothered by the "what's in a name" article, read "the old >masters" column (www.flyanglersonline.com and click on "the old masters"). > >It appears that only Kusse and Summers are making rods worth a damn these >days (Will there be masters as we know them today, men like Kusse and >Summers? Hard to tell, but, we will have something, there will always be >something. It will be up to us. If we continue to be satisfied with what we >have now, then that's all we will end up with. If we want a return of the >old days of many fine cane rod companies, we must start soon. We have lost >way too many of the great masters now. ~ J Castwell) > >no one else is making rods at all, except for the mentally challenged >hobbyists with day jobs, and us guys are incapable of "keeping the craft >alive" or of generating anything new ("The rods produced today are almost >always, or nearly so, direct duplications of tapers from by-gone years. . >.") > >somehow, I don't think Mr. Castwell has ever heard of, let alone attended, >one of the regional Rodmakers symposia, nor does he appear to be >knowledgeable in ANY repect regarding cane rods or Rodmakers. If he had >done any research, he would realize that there are around one thousand >Rodmakers in the US (give or take a few hundred - at least according to >Harold and eileen demerest who still sell the majority of the bamboo used), >and that while many makers do reproduce classic tapers, there are many more >original tapers being produced by today's innovators (rod makers who have >made from a few to many hundreds - what, about 700 now AJ? - of rods). > >It's neat how having your own website makes one an instant authority on >whatever the individual wants to filibuster about. > >I think I'll stop here, but boy could I go on . . . > >Christopher Obuchowski MD (one of the mentally challenged part time >Rodmakers with a day job) > >From cathcreek@hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 18:27:58 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f193.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.193]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110RvW14919 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:27:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:27:44 -0800 Received: from 140.211.60.66 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 00:27:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [140.211.60.66] Reply-To: cathcreek@hotmail.com From: "Robert Clarke" To: channer@frontier.net Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Tube which end up? Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 00:27:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 00:27:44.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[446150D0:01C1AAB7] Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Your both right. I use cork sheets for the inside of both ends. >From: channer >Reply-To: channer@frontier.net >CC: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu >Subject: Re: Tube which end up? >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:03:22 -0700 > >Adam; >Good idea, but the rods still belong in the tube with the female ferrule >UP! >john > > > Adam Vigil wrote: > > > > Do this to keep those keep those ferrules safe, > > > > Take 1/2" of closed cell foam and cut it into a circle. Push it into > > the bottom of the tube with a dowel or broom handle. The foam can be > > cut from a cheap Morey Boogie type kick board. This will absorb any > > shock the sections my receive while in the tubes. > > > > Adam > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 18:28:44 2002 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110SiW15198 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:28:44 - 0600 (CST) Received: from pool0406.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.147.151] helo=computer) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WRZJ-0003rK-00; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:28:41 -0800 Message-ID: <008901c1aab7$65d6d640$3f93b3d1@computer> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: , "rod" References: <3C59AB3A.7060806@ttlc.net> Subject: Re: Fraud rods Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:28:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Any collectible item can be restored. Major museums have people restoring all the time. Comic books worth hundreds to tens of thousands of dollars are restored. It is actually a business. They do it with cars all the time.The problem is the correct grading. When something is restored it is so indicated on a certificate from a restorer. Mint, Near Mint, Very fine, etc. are all used legitimately in restorations. But as long as we are divided as craftsman we will always look to others with a suspicious eye. I still think knifemakers and Bladesmiths have the right idea. But what do I know? I am still waiting to see a forgery of a Nunley rod or an AJ Thramer. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reed Curry" To: "rod" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: Fraud rods > Let's not deceive ourselves. It is true that some are producing rods > falsely attributed to famous makers. After the Leonard shop closed there > were a lot of Leonard-stamped reelseats floating around, and some ended > up on rods; I know, I bought one. There are probably as many fake > Gillums in circulation as splinters of the True Cross. > We have even had people searching through this board for rodmakers decals > --- and replacing a decal is akin to copying writing on the shaft. It > doesn't matter that you are putting a Heddon sticker on a Heddon, it is > false pretenses concerning the true condition of the rod (restored, not > mint). > How many rodmakers will make a replacement tip for someone? Do they mark > it with their name; probably not, which means the next buyer thinks he > has an original tip. Is that fraud? You tell me. > -- > Best regards, > Reed > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > >From rextutor@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 18:31:59 2002 Received: from web14913.mail.yahoo.com (web14913.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.240]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g110VwW16515 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:31:58 - 0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20020201003158.45010.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.253.1.195] by web14913.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:31:58 PST Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: Rex Tutor Subject: Leonard history To: caneman@clnk.com, bob@downandacross.com, rcurry@ttlc.net, rod In-Reply-To: <07b801c1aaaa$69179540$8a76130c@caneman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: rextutor@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN So Bob I see Leonard rods were made until at least 1982 so when did they stop ? TIA --- Bob Nunley wrote: > Ron was the Vice-president of Leonard from 1972 to > 1981. Whether he > actually made rods during that era, I don't know, > but knowing Ron, I'd say > he probably did. Tom Maxwell was there only in 80 > and 81... again, I don't > know for sure that he made rods for them or if he > just served in an > administrative position, but just gut feeling says > he either was involved as > a maker or directed such. Maybe someone else knows > more and can give us > details! > > Later, > Bob > > R.L. Nunley, Rodmaker > Custom Split Cane Flyrods > http://www.caneflyrod.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Maulucci" > To: ; "rod" > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:56 PM > Subject: Leonard makers > > > > I have a question that someone on the list might > answer. It relates to > > today's topic somewhat. There are many places > lately where I have read > that > > Tom Maxwell and Ron Kusse built no rods that were > sold under the Leonard > > name. I was told they worked the retail or > business end at Leonard. Yet, I > > see people referring to Maxwell Leonards and > others who tell me Ron made > > rods for Leonard in that era. > > What is the truth here? > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf > Of Reed Curry > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:38 PM > > To: rod > > Subject: Fraud rods > > > > > > Let's not deceive ourselves. It is true that some > are > > producing rods > > falsely attributed to famous makers. After the > Leonard shop closed there > > were a lot of Leonard-stamped reelseats floating > around, and some ended > > up on rods; I know, I bought one. There are > probably as many fake > > Gillums in circulation as splinters of the True > Cross. > > We have even had people searching through this > board for > > rodmakers decals > > --- and replacing a decal is akin to copying > writing on the shaft. It > > doesn't matter that you are putting a Heddon > sticker on a Heddon, it is > > false pretenses concerning the true condition of > the rod (restored, not > > mint). > > How many rodmakers will make a replacement tip for > someone? > > Do they mark > > it with their name; probably not, which means the > next buyer thinks he > > has an original tip. Is that fraud? You tell me. > > -- > > Best regards, > > Reed > > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com >From piscator@macatawa.org Thu Jan 31 18:33:11 2002 Received: from front2.chartermi.net (24.213.60.124.up.mi.chartermi.net [24.213.60.124]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110XAW16952 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:33:10 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [24.247.61.101] (HELO Creeks) by front2.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 54408126; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:33:10 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c1aab8$05b00290$653df718@Creeks> Reply-To: "Brian Creek" From: "Brian Creek" To: , , Cc: "Rod Makers" References: Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:33:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Maybe you can get a discount if you kiss up to Ron and Bob. ;^) Really, they both make great rods and are good guys. I mean, they are fly fishermen, what should you expect? Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: "Rod Makers" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL > JC and Deaana were both at the Grayrock Gathering 4 or so > years ago. They both know people they could have asked for > opinions prior to writing the article, if they had chosen > to represent more than one viewpoint. > > Larry Blan > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:18:24 -0500 > "Peter Van Schaack" > wrote: > > Not being a builder yet, I may be out of line here, but I > > to read the > > articles and can see how they could be offensive - I > > remember the > > threads about labeling rods, if you read back through > > them you will find > > many answers to forward on to JC and LF. This would shed > > some light for > > them that you as builders are concerned with what you > > produce and how > > you market it. Unfortunately, JC and LF may have stumbled > > across some > > less honorable builders who have mis-labeled their rods. > > > > I don't believe I read any part of the threads from list > > members that > > said anyone was labeling a rod, for example a "Garrison" > > and selling it > > as a Garrison, but labeled a rod as built on a Garrison > > taper, by XYZ > > rodmaker. > > > > If I was in your shoes as a rodmakers, selling rods, > > keeping a craft > > alive, a tradition alive, I would kindly forwards > > excerpts from these > > threads to JC and LF along with a link to your websites. > > Invite them to > > cast your rods. I have learned a great deal from everyone > > here, so when > > I do start making my own, I have an excellent resource > > for information > > and knowledge. > > > > If every rodmaker on this list sent a message to JC and > > LF, and let them > > know "I build rods in the tradition of the masters" Maybe > > they will have > > a better understanding of what you folks really do. I > > don't think anyone > > is mass producing "production rods" not at the poor > > quality of yester' > > year, what is being produced today is a high quality > > bamboo flyrod, > > those who choose bamboo are going to pay for, and expect > > to get a > > quality flyrod. > > > > I have never cast a $600.00 graphite rod that cast a > > whole lot better > > than a $150.00 graphite rod, yet I have cast some old > > production bamboo > > rods that are c$%% and have cast some high quality rods > > that are > > wonderful. > > > > My opinion. > > > > Thanks for your knowledge, > > > > Pete > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu] On Behalf Of > > Harry Boyd > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:26 PM > > To: ChristopherO@epicimaging.com > > Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > > Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL > > > > > > Chris, > > > > Don't be too hard on JC. He spoke very highly of one > > of my rods, as > > did Deanna, at the Fly Anglers Online Fish In last fall. > > In fact > > (insert big-head > > here) it compared very favorably to Ron Kusse's. > > > http://www.globalflyfisher.com/reports/fishin2001/index.php > > The rod's > > owner also had nice things to say. > > > > JC has seen and cast literally thousands of rods, > > many of them cane. > > And he personally thinks that the Gatti rods are the > > greatest thing > > since sliced bread. I cast a Gatti once. Reminded me of > > a phone pole. > > Apparently JC and Ron Kusse are close friends. Nothing > > wrong with that. > > I've seen Kusse's rods and was duly impressed. Ron has > > done his best to > > help me a coupla times, and I really appreciate it. > > > > As Hal Manas wrote, I don't find anything really > > offensive in either > > article. I don't agree with them, but am not bothered by > > what JC and LF > > say. I do NOT wish for a return to anyone's idea of a > > golden age of > > bamboo when only a double handful of companies were > > making rods. I like > > selling a few rods to help pay for my own, and to afford > > me the ability > > to give away a rod now and then. If top of the line > > bamboo rods > > suddenly began selling for $400, then all of us who sell > > for 2-5 times > > that amount might well be up a creek. > > > > Harry > > > > > > "Christopher A. Obuchowski, MD" wrote: > > > > > If you guys were bothered by the "what's in a name" > > article, read "the > > > > > old masters" column (www.flyanglersonline.com and click > > on "the old > > > masters"). > > > > -- > > Harry Boyd > > > > http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods > > http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church > > >From cathcreek@hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 18:33:17 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f14.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.14]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110XGW16990 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:33:16 - 0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:33:10 -0800 Received: from 140.211.60.66 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 00:33:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [140.211.60.66] Reply-To: cathcreek@hotmail.com From: "Robert Clarke" To: TSmithwick@aol.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: cutting rings Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 00:33:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 00:33:10.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[06E3C7A0:01C1AAB8] Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I tried cutting NS tubing on my lathe and all it did was to squish (my technical term) the tubing walls with the jaws of the vise. I am sure it can be done, but I decided to go with solid bar instead. Rob >From: TSmithwick@aol.com >Reply-To: TSmithwick@aol.com >To: >Subject: cutting rings >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:42:30 EST > >All the talk of ultra light reel seats got me thinking (always dangerous), >and I got some light wall stainless tubing with a .695 ID. I would like to >cut it with my lathe, which will accept the tube through the headstock. My >question is what sort of cutoff tool and speeds would be best, and should I >use a wood mandrel or something similar? >Or, is the lathe not the best way to aproach this? > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >From bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 31 18:35:28 2002 Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110ZRW17860 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:35:27 - 0600 (CST) Received: from dax ([24.49.107.165]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay7 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with SMTP id GQTWAW00.93Y; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:35:20 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bob Maulucci" To: "Shawn Pineo" Cc: , "rod" Subject: RE: Neat old makers' brochures online Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:34:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1AA8E.590DA930" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200201312355.g0VNt4714578@ru6.servadmin.com> Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1AA8E.590DA930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Shawn, I appreciate the compliment. The writers and advisory board really do a great job. I am thrilled to be able to compile it all. As for the pdf images, you can export images in Acrobat 5.0. Go file>export.export images. It will allow you to save them as jpegs or whatever you'd like. If you need some stuff extracted, send me the pdfs and I can send you back the pics. I bought Acrobat 5 and it is a great tool. Best regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Pineo [mailto:bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:39 PM To: bob@downandacross.com Cc: GBuckley@aapg.org; rod Subject: Re: Neat old makers' brochures online Bob, thanks for sharing, I love seeing these articles! By the way, congratulations on another great issue of Powerfibers! Do you know, is there a way to save images out of a Pdf. document?? Thanks, Shawn Bob Maulucci wrote: Shawn: I just received another magazine today in my getting out of hand collector kind of way. Inside was a neat article on EC Powell. Maybe some of you would be interested in seeing it. I posted it on the server http://www.powerfibers.com/powell.pdf It is a nice retrospective from the Creel, Newsletter of the Flyfishers Club of Oregon, 1969, Volume 7, Number 1. Best regards. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Shawn Pineo Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:40 PM To: GBuckley@aapg.org Cc: rod Subject: Re: Neat old makers' brochures online Gerald, thanks allot for the cool links! I saved many of the shots and loaded them into my "Webshots" screensaver program along with all the other ones I already had. Very therapeutic just to sit and watch the fly fishing/bamboo rod shots cycle through while the "babbling brook" Wave file plays in the background. Ahhhhhh, how long till opening day again?? ;^) Shawn ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1AA8E.590DA930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks=20 Shawn, I appreciate the compliment. The writers and advisory board = really do a=20 great job. I am thrilled to be able to compile it = all.
As for the=20 pdf images, you can export images in Acrobat 5.0. Go = file>export.export=20 images. It will allow you to save them as jpegs or whatever you'd like. = If you=20 need some stuff extracted, send me the pdfs and I can send you back the = pics. I=20 bought Acrobat 5 and it is a great tool.
Best=20 regards, Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Pineo=20 [mailto:bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca]
Sent: Thursday, January = 31,=20 2002 7:39 PM
To: bob@downandacross.com
Cc:=20 GBuckley@aapg.org; rod
Subject: Re: Neat old makers' = brochures=20 online

Bob, =
       =20 thanks for sharing, I love seeing these articles! By the way, = congratulations=20 on another great issue of Powerfibers!=20
       Do you know, is there a way = to save=20 images out of a Pdf. document??=20 =
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Bob Maulucci wrote:=20
Shawn:
I just received another magazine = today in=20 my getting out of hand collector
kind of way. Inside was a neat = article=20 on EC Powell. Maybe some of you would
be interested in seeing = it. I=20 posted it on the server
http://www.powerfibers.com= /powell.pdf=20
It is a nice retrospective from the Creel, Newsletter of the = Flyfishers=20 Club
of Oregon, 1969, Volume 7, Number 1.
Best regards. =
Bob=20

-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu=20
[mailto:owner- rodmakers@w= ugate.wustl.edu]On=20 Behalf Of Shawn Pineo
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:40 PM =
To:=20 GBuckley@aapg.org
Cc: rod
Subject: Re: Neat old makers' = brochures=20 online=20

Gerald,=20 =
           =20 thanks allot for the cool links! I saved many of the shots and =
loaded=20 them into my "Webshots" screensaver program along with all the other =
ones I already had.
      Very = therapeutic=20 just to sit and watch the fly fishing/bamboo
rod shots
cycle = through=20 while the "babbling brook" Wave file plays in the background.=20
      Ahhhhhh, how long till opening = day=20 again??=20 =
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =          =20 ;^)=20 =
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;=20 Shawn

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1AA8E.590DA930-- >From piscator@macatawa.org Thu Jan 31 18:37:58 2002 Received: from front2.chartermi.net (24.213.60.124.up.mi.chartermi.net [24.213.60.124]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110bvW18631 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:37:57 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [24.247.61.101] (HELO Creeks) by front2.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 54409849; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c1aab8$b0532d30$653df718@Creeks> Reply-To: "Brian Creek" From: "Brian Creek" To: , "Marty D." Cc: "rod" References: <3C59AB3A.7060806@ttlc.net> <3C59C10D.60102@ptd.net> <3C59CD24.30605@ttlc.net> Subject: Re: Fraud rods Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:37:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Mint. Restore. Mint restored. I like watching the antique road show on pbs. They really point up the value of mint original over any restoration or even refinishing. The trouble is, even if you give a customer a bill for restoration work and return the original parts that you replaced, in a few years or over a few trades these may be lost or pitched. Maybe we could do like the watchsmith and scribe our initials and date in tiny script on a ferrule. . . . Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reed Curry" To: "Marty D." Cc: "rod" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Fraud rods > Marty, > While many experienced collectors can detect a restored rod, sometimes > the work is done so artfully that the restoration is not apparent. In > this case the prospective purchaser may believe that all the parts are > original. Sometimes this is the intent of the seller/repairer...this is > called fraud, is it not? > Best regards, > Reed > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > Marty D. wrote: > > > Every rod that is in restored condition should be considered as having > > replacement parts. I always felt that this is why restored rods have > > considerably less value than original ones. I know I have made more than > > a few tips for classics over the years. Marty > > > > >From bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 31 18:45:39 2002 Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110jbW20681 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:45:38 - 0600 (CST) Received: from dax ([24.49.107.165]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay6 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with SMTP id GQTWRV00.FX4; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:45:31 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bob Maulucci" To: , "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: RE: Leonard makers, who worked on the rods Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:45:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks Tom. I am just interested in finding out who in that discussion board is telling the truth and who is stretching it a bit. No doubt, Ron and Tom (bless him) are two great names in the business. Ron's rods are such excellent pieces. I have only seen pics of rods that Tom had worked on. BUT, man they were pretty. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: Bambootom@aol.com [mailto:Bambootom@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:12 PM To: bob@downandacross.com Subject: Re: Leonard makers Bob, this is sure to be a controversial topic with some feathers sure to be ruffled. I would suggest that you contact Bob Taylor or Mark Murphy, as they were the primary builders of the rods, as their job was to run the beveller. Tom did some work here, but I understand that his greatest contribution was to develop a standard or uniformity of product as the general shop manager. Considering his work at T & T, there were probably no others whom could have taken over such a varied manufacturing operation. Hal Bacon might also have some insights into your inquiry. Tom McDonnell >From Dave1Alex@aol.com Thu Jan 31 18:47:01 2002 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110l0W21083 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:47:00 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Dave1Alex@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 5.4e.5d13d7a (25917); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:46:49 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1Alex@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.5d13d7a.298b3f79@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:46:49 EST Subject: Re: Smith River Please HELP!!!! To: jhewittiii@springsips.com, bluefin_1999@yahoo.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 113 Reply-To: Dave1Alex@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN very well said john hewitt, very well said... >From piscator@macatawa.org Thu Jan 31 18:47:18 2002 Received: from front2.chartermi.net (24.213.60.124.up.mi.chartermi.net [24.213.60.124]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110lHW21206 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:47:17 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [24.247.61.101] (HELO Creeks) by front2.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 54413504; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:47:16 -0500 Message-ID: <007a01c1aab9$fe31c1f0$653df718@Creeks> Reply-To: "Brian Creek" From: "Brian Creek" To: , , , , References: Subject: Re: What's in a name Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:47:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Boy, I hope my posts all come across as arrogant as I really am. Otherwise I'm just wasting ink. (Or whatever passes these days.) Brian " When I want your opinion I'll give you one" Creek ;^) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, Troy" To: ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: RE: What's in a name > TAM is my initials, Troy Allen Miller. There are other T. Miller, Makers > about, and TAM is the way I try to keep my own identity... > > The sour grapes article I was referring to had nothing to do with cane, and > I probably should have let the dead dog lie. I just don't care much for > confrontational writers.... > > As I re-read my previous post, it didn't come out exactly the way I meant > it. One of those things that sounds different, depending on how you read > it. When I said I like "to see them get fired up about casting a flyrod > like I am", I meant that I enjoy seeing them get excited, not casting in my > particular style. Everybody is entitled to their own style, just so it > makes them happy! Sorry if that came across as arrogant, I didn't intend > it.... : ) Best regards -- TAM > > -----Original Message----- > From: HalManas@aol.com [mailto:HalManas@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:40 PM > To: bob@downandacross.com; Dennishigham@cs.com; > rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > Subject: Re: What's in a name > > > All, > I must be incredibly thick skinned, but I found nothing offensive in > either article. I assume that anyone who puts the name of a taper on a rod > also puts his or her own name or trademark on the rod. As for the other > article, he basically said that Loenards and Powells are worth a lot of > money. Can't argue with that. It's true that Deanna's piece seems a little > > harsh, but what the heck, we should be used to opinionated people by now. > Just my opinion. By the way, what does TAM mean? > > Hal > > >From Lazybee45@aol.com Thu Jan 31 18:50:13 2002 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g110oDW22125 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:50:13 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Lazybee45@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.149.8bfb054 (16930) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:50:02 - 0500 (EST) From: Lazybee45@aol.com Message-ID: <149.8bfb054.298b403a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:50:02 EST Subject: Iowa sports show To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Reply-To: Lazybee45@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hey! there is a "sports show" in Cedar Rapids this weekend at the west side convention center. Is anyone plannign to be there and exibiting? If so I would enjoy meeting you. I will try to get over there to teh show! mark visit Marks Magic Workshop http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 31 19:07:01 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g11170W26041 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:07:00 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip188.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.188]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1118Xn62762 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:08:34 - 0800 Message-ID: <3C59EA19.E399BAD4@3g.quik.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:06:33 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rodmakers Subject: Thank you Tony Spezio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Folks, I got a nice little surprise in the mail from Tony today. Though I'm very appreciative, that's not what this note is about. A few months back Tony Spezio suggested splitting culms w/o treating the nodes, then using a little groove in the jaws of a vice to hold the nodal lip while pressing, and cutting a little relief on the pith side. Using this method, only after the node is pressed flat does one sand off the nodal lip. I tried it a little while ago, and can hardly believe how well it works. I know Bob M. seemed to like the method as well. I just wish I had tried it sooner. So Tony, three cheers for you. Harry -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From bob@downandacross.com Thu Jan 31 19:30:49 2002 Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g111UmW01180 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:30:48 - 0600 (CST) Received: from dax ([24.49.107.165]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQTYV500.FP0; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:30:41 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bob Maulucci" To: , "Rodmakers" Subject: RE: Thank you Tony Spezio Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:30:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C59EA19.E399BAD4@3g.quik.com> Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Harry: 1. I second your observation that Tony is just the nicest guy. 2. Tony really convinced me to try this metod, and I think it is a keeper for sure. I found a good way to get that relief in the pith side this week too. Take a big half round file and mount it in the vise. Using both hands to hold the strip, draw the cane, node centered in the middle of the file, towards you. It does the job in no time, and you do not need to keep clamping the strips in the vice, the file is what stays put. It works great. My big half round file has a cross cut pattern so it cuts both ways. This takes all of 5 minutes to do the entire rod worth of strips. Best regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Harry Boyd Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:07 PM To: Rodmakers Subject: Thank you Tony Spezio Folks, I got a nice little surprise in the mail from Tony today. Though I'm very appreciative, that's not what this note is about. A few months back Tony Spezio suggested splitting culms w/o treating the nodes, then using a little groove in the jaws of a vice to hold the nodal lip while pressing, and cutting a little relief on the pith side. Using this method, only after the node is pressed flat does one sand off the nodal lip. I tried it a little while ago, and can hardly believe how well it works. I know Bob M. seemed to like the method as well. I just wish I had tried it sooner. So Tony, three cheers for you. Harry -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From CALucker@aol.com Thu Jan 31 19:41:57 2002 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g111fuW03452 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:41:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from CALucker@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id f.bd.1b3833d5 (1324); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: CALucker@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:41:36 EST Subject: Re: Different kind of line To: atlasc1@earthlink.net, rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bd.1b3833d5.298b4c50_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 Reply-To: CALucker@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_bd.1b3833d5.298b4c50_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/02 4:12:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: > Chris, > > I will put it this way. It cast as much shadow as a leader and a lot less > shadow then what you are using currently. While drifting the line a shadow > is not apparent on the stream bed. While false casting over the backs of > trout they must like it because they sure do not run from it. Less spooked > fish equals more opportunities. > > The issue is not just color. If this is a floating line, it is still making a dent, or reshaping the surface film on the stream or lake. That causes a big mess to be seen from below. Goddard and Clarke did a fine study on this in their 1976 book The Trout and the Fly. Their study shows what a mess a floating leader is. Their study also shows great under water-looking-up-views of natural insects and various artificials. Even in the air a clear line will have an image, it will block light. The advantage to the line will be in that it is not fluorescent or red or sparkly). Diameter and the size of the dent you make in the surface film are probably more important than a line being clear. I use Air Cel Supreme ivory lines or silk. I make sure my leaders sink by soaking them in Glycerin and rubbing them with glycerin and mud. Chris Lucker --part1_bd.1b3833d5.298b4c50_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/02 4:12:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net writes:


Chris,

I will put it this way. It cast as much shadow as a leader and a  lot less shadow then what you are using currently. While drifting the line a shadow is not apparent on the stream bed.  While false casting over the backs of trout they must like it because they sure do not run from it. Less spooked fish equals more opportunities.



The issue is not just color.  If this is a floating line, it is still making a dent, or reshaping the surface film on the stream or lake.  That causes a big mess to be seen  from below.  Goddard and Clarke did a fine study on this in their 1976 book The Trout and the Fly.  Their study shows what a mess a floating leader is.  Their study also shows great under water-looking-up-views of natural insects and various artificials.

Even in the air a clear line will have an image, it will block light.  The advantage to the line will be in that it is not fluorescent or red or sparkly).

Diameter and the size of the dent you make in the surface film are probably more important than a line being clear. 

I use Air Cel Supreme ivory lines or silk.  I make sure my leaders sink by soaking them in Glycerin and rubbing them with glycerin and mud.
Chris Lucker --part1_bd.1b3833d5.298b4c50_boundary-- >From caneman@clnk.com Thu Jan 31 19:45:19 2002 Received: from ispram.clnk.com (mail.clnk.com [12.5.228.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g111jIW04379 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:45:18 - 0600 (CST) Received: from caneman ([12.19.118.193]) by ispram.clnk.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:44:07 -0600 Message-ID: <080c01c1aac1$5ecd2fc0$8a76130c@caneman> From: "Bob Nunley" To: "Rex Tutor" , , , "rod" References: <20020201003158.45010.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Leonard history Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:39:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: caneman@clnk.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Rex, I think Ron left Leonard in the spring of 1981. If I'm not mistaken, Leonard closed the doors (rather the IRS assisted them in closing them) early in 1982. I'm not positive on those dates, but like someone said, you can call Ron Kusse and he DOES love to talk rods, especially about days gone by. Later, Bob R.L. Nunley, Rodmaker Custom Split Cane Flyrods http://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Tutor" To: ; ; ; "rod" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: Leonard history > So Bob > I see Leonard rods were made until at least 1982 so > when did they stop ? > TIA > --- Bob Nunley wrote: > > Ron was the Vice-president of Leonard from 1972 to > > 1981. Whether he > > actually made rods during that era, I don't know, > > but knowing Ron, I'd say > > he probably did. Tom Maxwell was there only in 80 > > and 81... again, I don't > > know for sure that he made rods for them or if he > > just served in an > > administrative position, but just gut feeling says > > he either was involved as > > a maker or directed such. Maybe someone else knows > > more and can give us > > details! > > > > Later, > > Bob > > > > R.L. Nunley, Rodmaker > > Custom Split Cane Flyrods > > http://www.caneflyrod.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Maulucci" > > To: ; "rod" > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:56 PM > > Subject: Leonard makers > > > > > > > I have a question that someone on the list might > > answer. It relates to > > > today's topic somewhat. There are many places > > lately where I have read > > that > > > Tom Maxwell and Ron Kusse built no rods that were > > sold under the Leonard > > > name. I was told they worked the retail or > > business end at Leonard. Yet, I > > > see people referring to Maxwell Leonards and > > others who tell me Ron made > > > rods for Leonard in that era. > > > What is the truth here? > > > Bob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu > > > [mailto:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf > > Of Reed Curry > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:38 PM > > > To: rod > > > Subject: Fraud rods > > > > > > > > > Let's not deceive ourselves. It is true that some > > are > > > producing rods > > > falsely attributed to famous makers. After the > > Leonard shop closed there > > > were a lot of Leonard-stamped reelseats floating > > around, and some ended > > > up on rods; I know, I bought one. There are > > probably as many fake > > > Gillums in circulation as splinters of the True > > Cross. > > > We have even had people searching through this > > board for > > > rodmakers decals > > > --- and replacing a decal is akin to copying > > writing on the shaft. It > > > doesn't matter that you are putting a Heddon > > sticker on a Heddon, it is > > > false pretenses concerning the true condition of > > the rod (restored, not > > > mint). > > > How many rodmakers will make a replacement tip for > > someone? > > > Do they mark > > > it with their name; probably not, which means the > > next buyer thinks he > > > has an original tip. Is that fraud? You tell me. > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Reed > > > http://www.overmywaders.com/ > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > >From harms1@pa.net Thu Jan 31 19:49:35 2002 Received: from smtp.pa.net (smtp.pa.net [205.166.61.100]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g111nYW05427 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:49:34 - 0600 (CST) Received: from billharm (duppp114.nwb1.perry.pa.net [12.108.100.114]) by smtp.pa.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9899D4C8E3; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:45:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007d01c1aac2$55e605c0$80646c0c@billharm> From: "WILLIAM HARMS" To: , References: <48.5d69320.298b1446@aol.com> Subject: Re: cutting rings Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:46:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: harms1@pa.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Tom, Why not simply mount the tubing on a dowel wrapped with masking tape to the appropriate diameter, and run the whole deal right through your band saw? Use an old blade. cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: cutting rings > All the talk of ultra light reel seats got me thinking (always dangerous), and I got some light wall stainless tubing with a .695 ID. I would like to cut it with my lathe, which will accept the tube through the headstock. My question is what sort of cutoff tool and speeds would be best, and should I use a wood mandrel or something similar? > Or, is the lathe not the best way to aproach this? > >From fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Jan 31 20:01:15 2002 Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g1121DW07730 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:01:14 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 3g.quik.com (ip188.3g.quik.com [216.176.36.188]) (authenticated) by q4.quik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1122in110424; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:02:45 -0800 Message-ID: <3C59F6CA.22414187@3g.quik.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:00:43 -0600 From: Harry Boyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bob@downandacross.com, Rodmakers Subject: Re: Thank you Tony Spezio References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bob, I just touched them to the 1" belt sander. Took just about 5 seconds per node. Bob Maulucci wrote: > I found a good way to get that relief in the pith side this week > too. Take a big half round file and mount it in the vise. -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From channer@frontier.net Thu Jan 31 20:16:14 2002 Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g112GDW10990 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:16:13 - 0600 (CST) Received: from frontier.net (ppp45.pm3-11.durango.frontier.net [66.118.195.45]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AFD7A586 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:16:22 - 0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C59FA6F.343E6B46@frontier.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:16:15 -0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: What's in a name References: <007a01c1aab9$fe31c1f0$653df718@Creeks> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Guys; Reread what Deanna said, she is slamming those who ONLY put the famous maker's name on a rod, not those who also put their own name on it. All of us would do the same, these rods are misrepresented, pure and simple. As I read it, she has no problem with a maker who puts his own name on the rods, but also credits the original maker who's taper he used.jmho john >From channer@frontier.net Thu Jan 31 20:19:54 2002 Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g112JsW11952 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:19:54 - 0600 (CST) Received: from frontier.net (ppp45.pm3-11.durango.frontier.net [66.118.195.45]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9308C7A5D9 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:20:03 - 0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C59FB4C.6EC5923D@frontier.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:19:56 -0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Rod Makers Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL References: <002301c1aab8$05b00290$653df718@Creeks> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I don't see anything to get up in arms about here either, other than the possibility that JC doesn't recognize the capacity for individuals to re-invent the wheel. It looks to me that he is lamenting the lack of major producers of high quality rods to train the apprentices to carry on the work, which producers are no longer with us because there is not the market there for the rods. He seems to me to be calling on flyfishers to support bamboo rodmakers, so the craft can continue. Again, jmho. john >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 20:33:52 2002 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g112XpW14759 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:33:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from pool0337.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.147.82] helo=computer) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WTWL-00063D-00; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:33:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01c1aac8$df24da40$5293b3d1@computer> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: Cc: References: <002601c1aa6a$91cef7c0$de93b3d1@computer> <3C59DB4A.D98E73EB@frontier.net> Subject: Re: Tube which end up? Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:33:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN John, I think you have a point. Now if we could educate the airlines, fellow anglers, assorted family members which way is UP on a rod case the problem would go away. What do you want to bet the airline baggage handlers have sword fight with them. I do not even want to think about UPS or the USPS. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "channer" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Tube which end up? > Adam; > Good idea, but the rods still belong in the tube with the female ferrule > UP! > john > > > Adam Vigil wrote: > > > > Do this to keep those keep those ferrules safe, > > > > Take 1/2" of closed cell foam and cut it into a circle. Push it into > > the bottom of the tube with a dowel or broom handle. The foam can be > > cut from a cheap Morey Boogie type kick board. This will absorb any > > shock the sections my receive while in the tubes. > > > > Adam > > >From beadman@mac.com Thu Jan 31 20:45:45 2002 Received: from femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.20]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g112jjW17237 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:45:45 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [68.49.115.60] by femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020201024544.FFHU7258.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[68.49.115.60]> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:45:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: beadman@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000e01c1aac8$df24da40$5293b3d1@computer> References: <002601c1aa6a$91cef7c0$de93b3d1@computer> <3C59DB4A.D98E73EB@frontier.net> <000e01c1aac8$df24da40$5293b3d1@computer> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:45:36 -0500 To: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: Claude Freaner Subject: Re: Tube which end up? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: beadman@mac.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN At 6:33 PM -0800 , 1/31/02, Adam Vigil wrote about Re: Tube which end up? >What do you want to bet the airline baggage handlers have sword fight with >them. I do not even want to think about UPS or the USPS. No sword fights, Adam - they have Light Saber duels with the aluminum tubes... Claude >From atlasc1@earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 20:50:25 2002 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g112oPW18322 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:50:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from pool0337.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.147.82] helo=computer) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WTmR-0002yj-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:50:24 -0800 Message-ID: <004a01c1aacb$31f66980$5293b3d1@computer> Reply-To: "Adam Vigil" From: "Adam Vigil" To: Subject: glueing up cork rings Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:50:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C1AA88.2312E6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C1AA88.2312E6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Something for the new guys to have as an option. Some of us like to glue up our cork rings on a mandrel and then shape = them. After we fit them to the rod. Spinning a blank I just finished in = a lathe is bound to bring out the shop gremlins for me. A cork clamp is = easy enough to use and can be seen all over, but here is something = different and easy. Take a Quick Grip Clamp (a good size one) and drill holes into the faces = and face covers to fit a mandrel. Now you can take you glued up cork on = the mandrel and insert it into the Quick Grip Clamp and apply pressure. = It is easy to use and has a lot of applications in the shop for many = clamping needs. Easy and Cheap. One hand operation! Adam Vigil ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C1AA88.2312E6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Something for the new guys to = have as an=20 option.
 
Some of us like to glue up our cork = rings on a=20 mandrel and then shape them. After we fit them to the rod. Spinning a = blank I=20 just finished in a lathe is bound to bring out the shop gremlins for me. = A cork=20 clamp is easy enough to use and can be seen all over, but here is = something=20 different and easy.
 
Take a Quick Grip Clamp (a good = size one) and=20 drill holes into the faces and face covers to fit a mandrel. Now you can = take=20 you glued up cork on the mandrel and insert it into the Quick Grip Clamp = and=20 apply pressure. It is easy to use and has  a lot of applications in = the=20 shop for many clamping needs.  Easy and Cheap. One hand=20 operation!
 
Adam Vigil
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C1AA88.2312E6C0-- >From tausfeld@frontiernet.net Thu Jan 31 20:51:04 2002 Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01h.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.238]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g112p3W18555 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:51:03 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 5821 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 02:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) ([209.130.148.253]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Feb 2002 02:50:57 -0000 Message-ID: <007b01c1aacb$735f6840$fd9482d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" To: , , References: Subject: Re: cutting rings Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:52:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Reply-To: tausfeld@frontiernet.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Tom, How thick is the wall?? How about trying a tubing cutter?? tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Clarke To: ; Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: Re: cutting rings > > I tried cutting NS tubing on my lathe and all it did was to squish (my > technical term) the tubing walls with the jaws of the vise. I am sure it > can be done, but I decided to go with solid bar instead. > > Rob > > > >From: TSmithwick@aol.com > >Reply-To: TSmithwick@aol.com > >To: > >Subject: cutting rings > >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:42:30 EST > > > >All the talk of ultra light reel seats got me thinking (always dangerous), > >and I got some light wall stainless tubing with a .695 ID. I would like to > >cut it with my lathe, which will accept the tube through the headstock. My > >question is what sort of cutoff tool and speeds would be best, and should I > >use a wood mandrel or something similar? > >Or, is the lathe not the best way to aproach this? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > >From piscator@macatawa.org Thu Jan 31 20:56:01 2002 Received: from front2.chartermi.net (24.213.60.124.up.mi.chartermi.net [24.213.60.124]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g112u0W19838 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:56:00 - 0600 (CST) Received: from [24.247.61.101] (HELO Creeks) by front2.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 54464849; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:56:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c1aacb$f99ea010$653df718@Creeks> Reply-To: "Brian Creek" From: "Brian Creek" To: , References: <48.5cde1ac.298ac4a5@cs.com> Subject: Re: What's in a name Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:55:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hey, it may be my mind going soft, but didn't Garrison have a day job and only make a good fist full of rods each year? Guess he wasn't an old master. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: What's in a name > While the list is a little slow take a look at www.flyanglersonline.com and > click on "What's in a name. > Interesting article by Deanna Birkholm about cane rods...Deanna is one of the > original members of TU. > > Dennis > > >From Grhghlndr@aol.com Thu Jan 31 21:13:48 2002 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g113DlW23777 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:13:47 - 0600 (CST) Received: from Grhghlndr@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id w.135.8a686f9 (24896); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:13:21 -0500 (EST) From: Grhghlndr@aol.com Message-ID: <135.8a686f9.298b61cc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:13:16 EST Subject: Re: Leonard history To: caneman@clnk.com, rextutor@yahoo.com, bob@downandacross.com, rcurry@ttlc.net, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_135.8a686f9.298b61cc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Reply-To: Grhghlndr@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --part1_135.8a686f9.298b61cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But wasn't Leonard picked up after that by a guy named Larry? And continued to operate again or was this Larry guy there in 82/ Winston, the guy was in South Bend and somehow mixed up with JG who had the flyshop in SB at the time. Do you know who I am talking about? Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --part1_135.8a686f9.298b61cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But wasn't Leonard picked up after that by a guy named Larry?  And continued to operate again or was this Larry guy there in 82/ Winston, the guy was in South Bend and somehow mixed up with JG who had the flyshop in SB at the time.  Do you know who I am talking about?
Bret

http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/
 --part1_135.8a686f9.298b61cc_boundary-- >From dryfly@erols.com Thu Jan 31 21:21:32 2002 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g113LUW25619 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:21:30 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 208-58-201-204.s585.tnt2.abrd.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.201.204] helo=homeserver) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16WUGR-0000ex-00; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:21:24 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c1aad0$035f9600$ccc93ad0@homeserver> From: "Robert S Williams" To: , "Rodmakers" References: <3C59EA19.E399BAD4@3g.quik.com> Subject: Re: Thank you Tony Spezio Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:24:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: dryfly@erols.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I tried Tony's method two nights ago and was really impressed with the results. I used two magnets on one side of my drill press vise and left a small gap between them (gap size is controllable), it worked fine. Pair of magnets at Home Depot $1.98, results of Tony's method priceless!. Thanks for sharing the tip Bob Williams >From dryfly@erols.com Thu Jan 31 21:33:40 2002 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g113XcW28356 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:33:39 - 0600 (CST) Received: from 208-58-201-204.s585.tnt2.abrd.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.201.204] helo=homeserver) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16WUSF-0002KI-00; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: <009b01c1aad1$b7cdf720$ccc93ad0@homeserver> From: "Robert S Williams" To: , , , , , References: <135.8a686f9.298b61cc@aol.com> Subject: Re: Leonard history Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:36:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C1AAA7.CB984960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Reply-To: dryfly@erols.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C1AAA7.CB984960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think you're referring to Larry Foster and I think he was at the helm = when Leonard closed the doors. I remember meeting him in the early 80's = (living in Maryland) and later I heard he went off to manage Leonard. Bob Williams ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C1AAA7.CB984960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think you're referring to Larry = Foster and I=20 think he was at the helm when Leonard closed the doors.  I remember = meeting=20 him in the early 80's (living in Maryland) and later I = heard he=20 went off to manage Leonard.
 
Bob Williams
------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C1AAA7.CB984960-- >From homes-sold@attbi.com Thu Jan 31 22:09:54 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g1149rW06103 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:09:53 - 0600 (CST) Received: from c1616335a ([12.230.158.46]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020201040944.RSGI10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@c1616335a>; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:09:44 +0000 Message-ID: <005201c1aad6$b46dc2e0$2e9ee60c@attbi.com> Reply-To: "Don Schneider" From: "Don Schneider" To: , , "Rodmakers" References: <3C59F6CA.22414187@3g.quik.com> Subject: Re: Thank you Tony Spezio Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:12:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bob, I use a 1" drum sander mounted in my drill press followed by the "V" groove. Works great, thanks Tony. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Boyd" To: ; "Rodmakers" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Thank you Tony Spezio Bob, I just touched them to the 1" belt sander. Took just about 5 seconds per node. Bob Maulucci wrote: > I found a good way to get that relief in the pith side this week > too. Take a big half round file and mount it in the vise. -- -- Harry Boyd -- http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- >From channer@frontier.net Thu Jan 31 22:09:58 2002 Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g1149vW06120 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:09:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from frontier.net (ppp77.pm3-12.durango.frontier.net [66.118.195.77]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEFA7A397; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:10:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5A1515.3A4827F0@frontier.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:09:57 -0700 From: channer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-CCK-MCD NS4xx/Winxx/EZN (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vigil Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Tube which end up? References: <002601c1aa6a$91cef7c0$de93b3d1@computer> <3C59DB4A.D98E73EB@frontier.net> <000e01c1aac8$df24da40$5293b3d1@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: channer@frontier.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Adam, So that's how all those rod caps get all scratched up!, the Onion is right, the Lowest Common Denominator is getting lower all the time. john Adam Vigil wrote: > > John, > > I think you have a point. Now if we could educate the airlines, fellow > anglers, assorted family members which way is UP on a rod case the problem > would go away. > > What do you want to bet the airline baggage handlers have sword fight with > them. I do not even want to think about UPS or the USPS. > > Adam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "channer" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: Tube which end up? > > > Adam; > > Good idea, but the rods still belong in the tube with the female ferrule > > UP! > > john > > > > > Adam Vigil wrote: > > > > > > Do this to keep those keep those ferrules safe, > > > > > > Take 1/2" of closed cell foam and cut it into a circle. Push it into > > > the bottom of the tube with a dowel or broom handle. The foam can be > > > cut from a cheap Morey Boogie type kick board. This will absorb any > > > shock the sections my receive while in the tubes. > > > > > > Adam > > > > >From avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 31 23:01:46 2002 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.33]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g1151hW12288 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:01:44 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 28323 invoked by uid 666); 1 Feb 2002 05:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) (203.59.89.66) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 05:01:34 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020201123519.00a84d90@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 13:07:48 +0800 To: From: Tony Young Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL In-Reply-To: <002801c1aa93$bfc8b200$bf95c3d8@salvelinus> References: <20020131193610.88180.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: avyoung@iinet.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In every market the Chinese have gone after and actually taken for themselves the current makers always said that. Backpacks were the best example I can think of. A company I worked for used to make as well as get in Lowe when the two brothers were making Lowe in the US as well as Kelty. People would get these based on good reputation and the desire to have genuinely good gear, the thought China could make gear as good was not even considered, people chortled at the merest thought. Lowe then began making packs in Mexico and Ireland. They may still be made in Mexico for the US market but for the rest of the world I *think* the Irish packs are now made in China. There may still be some made in Ireland for the EC too but that's only to get around the rules. I lost track of Kelty. It took less than 5 years to watch a market made up of customers demanding the best Lowe could make to wanting the cheapest "high quality" Chinese packs to devolve. I've seen this in a few cases I was directly involved with. I took special notice of the packs because I was the stock controller and it was me working out the orders and I hated to see what was happening. Same with boots, same with tents. Who would have thought they'd be trusting their lives with Chinese tents at 8,000 meters on Everest 15 years back but it's par for the course now. What seems to happen in every case I saw was the Chinese/Viet Namese/Korean gear was initially sold alongside the regular gear at a much reduced price, the bugs ironed out, finish improved. Next the price rises to a little under regular priced gear and salesmen are encouraged to push it because margins are much, much better. People begin to use the stuff and accept it, the better brands then recede or get Chinese gear to sell as well under their own labels and the prices rise again. Ultimately the Chinese gear prices reach what the better gear was originally selling for. The importers and shops make a killing on margin. The thing is though the Chinese packs aren't as good as the US/Irish/possibly Mexican packs. There are differences that make a difference as it were. The thread used on better packs is nylon. It wont rot so you get a pack that lasts as long as the fabric holds together, the problem if it can be seen as a problem is if the machinist trys to run the machine too fast the nylon thread will melt and break in the needle. The Chinese get around this by using cotton thread or cotton wraped nylon thread. Either way it doesn't last as long. If I'm wrong with rods I'll be very happy but if it doesn't happen it'll be because the people who would do this think the market is too small for this flanking attack. Tony At 03:13 PM 1/31/02 -0500, John Kenealy wrote: >I really don't see a worry from Chinese rodmakers. In my short tenure of >making rods and in the many years that I have known rodmakers and people who >like to fish cane rods, I have found that people want to know the person who >is making the rod for them. the most imprtant thing is that relationship >with the maker that allows for a rod to be matched to the buyer. > >As for undercutting us in price- we don't want that market anyway. > >My $.02 > >John K >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Walters" >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:36 PM >Subject: Re: the old masters @ FAOL > > > > If the Chinese competition ever gets it right we may > > all be up that creek you're talking about without a > > visible means of locomotion. > > > > Bill W. > > > > --- Harry Boyd wrote: > > > Chris, > > > > > > Don't be too hard on JC. He spoke very highly > > > of one of my rods, as did > > > Deanna, at the Fly Anglers Online Fish In last fall. > > > In fact (insert big-head > > > here) it compared very favorably to Ron Kusse's. > > > > > http://www.globalflyfisher.com/reports/fishin2001/index.php > > > The rod's owner > > > also had nice things to say. > > > > > > JC has seen and cast literally thousands of > > > rods, many of them cane. And > > > he personally thinks that the Gatti rods are the > > > greatest thing since sliced > > > bread. I cast a Gatti once. Reminded me of a phone > > > pole. Apparently JC and > > > Ron Kusse are close friends. Nothing wrong with > > > that. I've seen Kusse's rods > > > and was duly impressed. Ron has done his best to > > > help me a coupla times, and I > > > really appreciate it. > > > > > > As Hal Manas wrote, I don't find anything really > > > offensive in either > > > article. I don't agree with them, but am not > > > bothered by what JC and LF say. > > > I do NOT wish for a return to anyone's idea of a > > > golden age of bamboo when only > > > a double handful of companies were making rods. I > > > like selling a few rods to > > > help pay for my own, and to afford me the ability to > > > give away a rod now and > > > then. If top of the line bamboo rods suddenly began > > > selling for $400, then all > > > of us who sell for 2-5 times that amount might well > > > be up a creek. > > > > > > Harry > > > > > > > > > "Christopher A. Obuchowski, MD" wrote: > > > > > > > If you guys were bothered by the "what's in a > > > name" article, read "the old > > > > masters" column (www.flyanglersonline.com and > > > click on "the old masters"). > > > > > > -- > > > Harry Boyd > > > > > > http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rods > > > http://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ >From avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 31 23:03:31 2002 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.33]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g1153SW12482 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:03:29 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 31401 invoked by uid 666); 1 Feb 2002 05:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) (203.59.89.66) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 05:03:24 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020201130848.00a75a40@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 13:09:38 +0800 To: rcurry@ttlc.net, rod From: Tony Young Subject: Re: Fraud rods In-Reply-To: <3C59AB3A.7060806@ttlc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: avyoung@iinet.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have a friend with a Mac truck bulldog mounted on the bonnet of his Land Cruiser. [:-)] Tony At 03:38 PM 1/31/02 -0500, Reed Curry wrote: > Let's not deceive ourselves. It is true that some are producing > rods falsely attributed to famous makers. After the Leonard shop closed > there were a lot of Leonard-stamped reelseats floating around, and some > ended up on rods; I know, I bought one. There are probably as many fake > Gillums in circulation as splinters of the True Cross. > We have even had people searching through this board for > rodmakers decals --- and replacing a decal is akin to copying writing on > the shaft. It doesn't matter that you are putting a Heddon sticker on a > Heddon, it is false pretenses concerning the true condition of the rod > (restored, not mint). > How many rodmakers will make a replacement tip for someone? Do > they mark it with their name; probably not, which means the next buyer > thinks he has an original tip. Is that fraud? You tell me. >-- >Best regards, >Reed >http://www.overmywaders.com/ > /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. Unknown /*************************************************************************/ >From avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Jan 31 23:11:49 2002 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.33]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with SMTP id g115BkW12976 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:11:47 - 0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 11493 invoked by uid 666); 1 Feb 2002 05:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) (203.59.89.66) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 05:11:43 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020201131519.00a72c60@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 13:17:57 +0800 To: iank@ts.co.nz, beadman@mac.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: Tony Young Subject: Re: satellite views and cricket-irrelevant to 99.8% of the worlds population In-Reply-To: <200201312156.g0VLu2T16029@sage.ts.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: avyoung@iinet.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I've been thinking about this strange course of events and the only conclusion I've been able to come up with is the Australian team has been carefully crafting and nurturing the team winning only when necessary. Like that line in The Deer Hunter "It only takes one shot" [:-)] Good luck to all the Sth Africans, Kiwis and Aussies on list. Tony At 10:56 AM 2/1/02 +1300, IanKearney wrote: >Tony will be trying to get a shot of the cricket matches over the weekend- >Australia are struggling in the latest series after losing 7 of the >last 8 matches to New Zealand. :)) > >Ian > > > At 11:19 PM +0800 on 1/31/02, Tony Young wrote about satellite views > > > > >That's a pretty good view of the football dome but where do I look > > >for a space shot of the Melbourne Cricket Ground? > > > > > > > I'm not sure, Tony, but here's a good starting point: > > > > http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/PIADetQuery.html > > > > Scroll down to the "Search by feature name" area, type in > > "Australia", and hit RETURN. I don't think any of these are Zoom > > type photos, but some are good ones anyway. > > > > Claude > > > > > >-- >Tasman Solutions Ltd. > Real People in Cyber Space >http://www.ts.co.nz /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. Unknown