Whoops, Looks like Claude got caught in the Home.com snafu. Claude, if you'reout there and want to post this page on the tips site, I'd be glad toadd it. Jason Swan wrote: Here's the URL for Claude's Furled Leader page. Hope it helps.http://members.home.com/freaner/fishing/furled.htm Jason --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Mon Feb 25 11:22:53 2002 Received: fromexosecure-paccare-rap-pri.pacificare.com (inet-fwi-a.phs.com Relay (MMS v4.7)); Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:22:40 -0800 X-Server- Uuid:37b9e691-8261-11d3-8e30-0001fa7e659e Received: by dcembh.phs.comwith Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 25 Feb 200209:22:04 -0800 Message-ID: "'RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu'" Subject: RE: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have seen silk fly fishingline produced on the conventional braiding machine listed on this page, butthe company is in India. Don't know what it would cost to get it delivered inthe U.S. http://www.geesons.com Darryl Hayashida Please excuse theverbiage that follows. I am sending this from work and our legal dept. puts itin automatically. This electronic message transmission, including anyattachments, contains information from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc.which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be forthe use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intendedrecipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of thecontents of this information is prohibited. If you have received thiselectronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a"reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies ofthe communication, including attachments. > from CALucker@aol.com MonFeb 25 11:29:36 2002 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo- CALucker@aol.com Message-ID: Date: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN -- (130 year old British cross between Field and Stream and Town and Country - - used to be weekly, now monthly) did a little piece on Noel Buxton about tenyears ago. There is a chance I saved the magazine, especially if it had apicture of his machine. I will look through my stacks. I also seem toremember a mid 80's article on silk line manufacturing in The Field (longrunning British Magazine that Skues, Halford, Goddard and Clarke and manyothers have regularly contributed to). I cannot save every issue becausethese magazines are big and heavy. I also remember an article in theFlyfishers Club of London Journal that was substantially similar to the Fieldarticle but with a single, albeit dark, photo of the braiding machine thatBuxton used. I will look through my piles of crap. Chris Lucker -- and Stream and Town and Country -- used to be weekly, now monthly) did a silk line manufacturing in The Field (long running British Magazine that Skues,Halford, Goddard and Clarke and many others have regularly contributed Journal that was substantially similar to the Field article but with a single, will look through my piles of crap. Chris Lucker -- Mon Feb 25 11:34:53 2002 Received: from natco4.southshore.com g1PHYlE22675 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 200211:34:47 -0600 Message-ID: Date:Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:31:00 -0600 From: Tony SpezioX-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept- Subject: Re: Braiding machine References:Content-Type: text/plain; flytyr@southshore.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CRENJason, Once you use furled leaders I don't think you will go back to a regularleader. Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jason Swan wrote: I seem to remember seeing a web site that describes how to braid taperedfurled leaders. I haven't tried it yet, but that may help. Unfortunately,I can't remember the exact URL, but I think it had something to do withClaude Freaner. You could probably do a search for his web site. Not having ever used or seen a braided line, this may not be all thathelpful. Jason On 2/24/02 11:49 PM, "d.kennedy" wrote: I went over to Danny Twang's place here in Auckland the other night andwasblown out of the water by his rods and the silk lines. It happens that I have some ( a lot!) silk thread that I think is probablythe right denier, twist etc to make a line. I have the instructions to make a 16 strand braid MANUALLY, and willprobably have a go to make sure I am on the right track for weights etc.The production rate is about 5 cm per hour! In the meantime, does anyone have a drawing or plans for a braidingmachine? I have done a couple of searches in the archives and haven't turnedanything up yet, although the subject has obviously been kicked around abit. Any ideas or leads would be appreciated. I am looking forward to meeting up with some of the 'names' at the Thanks David Kennedy from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 11:49:17 2002 g1PHnH804750 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:49:17 -0600 Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:49:15 PST Subject: Re: Braiding machine i will agree here. the industry standard, taperedknotless leader is mediocrity at it's most mediocore. timothy --- Tony Spezio wrote: Jason,Once you use furled leaders I don't think you willgo back to a regular leader.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Jason Swan wrote: I seem to remember seeing a web site that describes how to braid tapered furled leaders. I haven't tried it yet, but that may help. Unfortunately, I can't remember the exact URL, but I think it had something to do with Claude Freaner. You could probably do a search Not having ever used or seen a braided line, this may not be all that helpful. Jason On 2/24/02 11:49 PM, "d.kennedy" wrote: I went over to Danny Twang's place here in Auckland the other night and was blown out of the water by his rods and the silk lines. It happens that I have some ( a lot!) silk thread that I think is probably the right denier, twist etc to make a line. I have the instructions to make a 16 strand braid MANUALLY, and will probably have a go to make sure I am on the right track for weights etc. The production rate is about 5 cm per hour! In the meantime, does anyone have a drawing or plans for a braiding machine? I have done a couple of searches in the archives and haven't turned anything up yet, although the subject has obviously been kicked around a bit. Any ideas or leads would be appreciated. I am looking forward to meeting up with some of the 'names' at the see you there! Thanks David Kennedy ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Mon Feb 25 12:30:33 2002 g1PIUW806775 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:30:32 - id 16fPtL-00000I-00; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:30:27 -0500 Subject: Re: lathe, cork speed I run mine set very fast; ~ 1500 to 2000 RPM. I don't have the Homier but Ihave one of it's many brothers. I like it very much. I've had it for about 3years. It started out as a 7X10. When Little Machine Shop came out withthe 7X12 extension, I upgraded. I find the 7X12 capable of doing all I need. Ibuild ferrules and reelseats along with the cork handles and a bunch of otherthings. There have been several on the 7X10minilathe list that have boughtthe Homier. The only negative comments I've seen are the complaints aboutUPS shipping. It appears to be the cheapest 7X12 right now. Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com pohl@earthlink.net wrote: I'm looking into lathes, what speed should cork be turned at? also, is anyone using a Homier 7 x12 that would like to comment about it. Thanks,Mark from KyleDruey@aol.com Mon Feb 25 13:21:11 2002 g1PJLA809375 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:21:10 - for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:20:57 - 0225142057; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:20:57 -0500 Subject: Chat in the Bamboo Room I just want to make sure everyone is aware of Todd's bamboo rod maker'schat room that he has up and running. If any of you aren't familiar with thisyou can check it out at: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Chat_Room/chat_room.html Chatted last night with several of you and I learned a few things, had a fewlaughs, and got to know some of you better. It would be nice to have aweekly chat session. Now I am just waiting for the launch of the Nunely web cam! Thanks, Kyle from hartzell@easystreet.com Mon Feb 25 13:22:29 2002 g1PJMT809563 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:22:29 - g1PJMN822458; Subject: Re: Rope Knurls Jerry,I have usee the small Gesswien milgrain rope knurl on a few reel seatfittings and it seems to work well on nickel silver. How long it wouldlasy, I do not know.Ed Hartzell Jerry Young wrote: This old subject again. Have inquired the two leading knurl mfg's.Found that a concave knurl starts at $200 ea. Didn't take it anyfurther to inquire if it was straight, diagonal or rope patterned. Backin the archives someone used one of the large milgrain wheels.Gesswein.com shows two rope pattern tools. One at .95mm and a largerone at 1.25mm. They state they are mounted on 1/8" hardened shanks. Myquestion is if that small tool will hold up on nickle silver instead ofthe precious metals they were designed for? TIA Jerry Young from ttalsma@macatawa.org Mon Feb 25 13:45:49 2002 g1PJjm811486 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:45:48 - id ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:38:39 -0500 id D56AMNFR; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:38:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room OK. Since there has been some chatter about this, what do you guysthink? Sounded like 10:00 Eastern, 9:00 Central, 8:00 Mountain & 7:00Pacific on Sunday night was the first "scheduled" chat time. I'vegotten a few people who would be willing to host a session. Anybodyelse want to step up to the plate? Maybe someone would even be willingto drag someone else along. Thinking off the top of my headhere......(very dangerous in my case)...John Zimny to help withadhesives and finishes or Theodore Simroe to talk about the Leonard RodCompany. I'm sure other people could think of some other "special"people that could be invited as well. I'm usually in and out of the chat room during the day, but I don'talways check the room at night. I'm out there right now and will beuntil about 4:00 (eastern), so stop by and let me know what you think. KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: I just want to make sure everyone is aware of Todd's bamboo rod maker'schat room that he has up and running. If any of you aren't familiar with thisyou can check it out at: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Chat_Room/chat_room.html Chatted last night with several of you and I learned a few things, had a fewlaughs, and got to know some of you better. It would be nice to have aweekly chat session. Now I am just waiting for the launch of the Nunely web cam! Thanks, Kyle -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from canazon@mindspring.com Mon Feb 25 14:01:28 2002 Received: from g1PK1R812880 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 ([158.252.47.147] helo=oemcomputer) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with 0500 Message-ID: , ,References:Subject: Re: Braiding machine Date: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN at the catskill gathering2000, someone, i just can't remember his name, showed how to make furledleaders. it seemed to be basically the same principal. you can add or subtractlines to make a taper. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Swan" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:44 AMSubject: Re: Braiding machine I seem to remember seeing a web site that describes how to braid taperedfurled leaders. I haven't tried it yet, but that may help. Unfortunately, I can't remember the exact URL, but I think it had something to do withClaude Freaner. You could probably do a search for his web site. Not having ever used or seen a braided line, this may not be all thathelpful. Jason On 2/24/02 11:49 PM, "d.kennedy" wrote: I went over to Danny Twang's place here in Auckland the other night and was blown out of the water by his rods and the silk lines. It happens that I have some ( a lot!) silk thread that I think is probably the right denier, twist etc to make a line. I have the instructions to make a 16 strand braid MANUALLY, and willprobably have a go to make sure I am on the right track for weights etc.The production rate is about 5 cm per hour! In the meantime, does anyone have a drawing or plans for a braidingmachine? I have done a couple of searches in the archives and haven't turnedanything up yet, although the subject has obviously been kicked around abit. Any ideas or leads would be appreciated. I am looking forward to meeting up with some of the 'names' at the Thanks David Kennedy from caneman@clnk.com Mon Feb 25 18:21:11 2002 g1Q0LA802339 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:21:10 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Hey, Todd. Been trying to get on the Chat room. got a problem and someonetold me you had a good computer knowledge, so I'll pick your brain.This happens to me on both your chat room and the one at FlyanglersOnline. It says that I need to contact my net. admin about configuring asocket or some BS like that. My ISP says I'm OK, but I did have a virus notlong ago that corrupted some DLL files. I went to my restore disc andwithout doing a complete restore, I did a setup on my Video Drivers again,but no change... still can't get into either chat. Any ideas? Know anymiracle cures or know which driver file I'm missing that's necessary to openyour chat and FAOL's (theirs is Volcano Chat)? Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room OK. Since there has been some chatter about this, what do you guysthink? Sounded like 10:00 Eastern, 9:00 Central, 8:00 Mountain & 7:00Pacific on Sunday night was the first "scheduled" chat time. I'vegotten a few people who would be willing to host a session. Anybodyelse want to step up to the plate? Maybe someone would even be willingto drag someone else along. Thinking off the top of my headhere......(very dangerous in my case)...John Zimny to help withadhesives and finishes or Theodore Simroe to talk about the Leonard RodCompany. I'm sure other people could think of some other "special"people that could be invited as well. I'm usually in and out of the chat room during the day, but I don'talways check the room at night. I'm out there right now and will beuntil about 4:00 (eastern), so stop by and let me know what you think. KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: I just want to make sure everyone is aware of Todd's bamboo rodmaker's chat room that he has up and running. If any of you aren't familiar withthis you can check it out at: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Chat_Room/chat_room.html Chatted last night with several of you and I learned a few things, had a few laughs, and got to know some of you better. It would be nice to have aweekly chat session. Now I am just waiting for the launch of the Nunely web cam! Thanks, Kyle --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction from jojo@ipa.net Mon Feb 25 18:31:55 2002 g1Q0Vs802875 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:31:54 -0600 helo=default) id 16fVWw-00047U-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:31:43 -0500 Subject: Re: furled leaders Guys, Guillermo Magari=F1os, on this List, is making and selling furled =leaders in Argentina. I have some, and they are of very good quality. =One other list member is evaluating them, also. They are also very =reasonably priced, 7 feet long, and good for 4x - 8x. You can write =Guillermo at classictackle@hotmail.com or guille32@tutopia.com (Yes, I =have a vested interest in this. Guillermo is paying me 100% of the gross = M-D Thanks for the website on making furled leaders, Jason. I enjoy =casting them, and agree with their proponents that they allow you to =fish a long tippet on a relatively short leader (see Tom Wendelburg's =book, Catching Big Fish on Light Fly Tackle; no $ interest, of course). =As many will know, there are fine directions for, and discussion of =furled tapered leaders in Darrell Martin's book, Micropatterns. --Tom NormalCleanCleanDocumentEmail MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 77.95pt 1.0in =77.95pt; mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in; =mso-paper-source: 0; }P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso- fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT- FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow- orphan; =mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text- underline: single}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT- DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}P.MsoPlainText { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; =mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoPlainText { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; =mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoPlainText { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT- FAMILY: "Courier New"; =mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font- family: "Times New Roman"}SPAN.SpellE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-spl-e: yes}SPAN.GramE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-gram-e: yes}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1} table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle- rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso- style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para- margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow- orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} Guys, Guillermo Magari=F1os,on = making and selling furled leaders in Argentina. I have some, and they = very good quality. One other list member is evaluating them, also. They = very reasonably priced, 7 feet long, and good for 4x - 8x. You can write = Guillermo at classictackle@hotmail.com&n=bsp;or guille32@tutopia.com (Yes, I = vested interest in this. Guillermo is paying me 100% of the gross for = 10 yr.. Riiiiiightt.) M-D Goodmann, Tom = Thanks for the website on making furled = = agree with their proponents that they allow you to fish a long tippet = Big Fish on = = directions for, and discussion of furled tapered leaders in Darrell = Tom from caneman@clnk.com Mon Feb 25 18:34:44 2002 g1Q0Yh803150 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:34:43 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Sorry, Guys, didn't mean to post that to the entire list. Was just tryingto pick Todd's brain a little... BUT, if anyone else has any suggestions,I'm sure open to them! Tnx,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Hey, Todd. Been trying to get on the Chat room. got a problem and someone told me you had a good computer knowledge, so I'll pick your brain.This happens to me on both your chat room and the one at FlyanglersOnline. It says that I need to contact my net. admin about configuring asocket or some BS like that. My ISP says I'm OK, but I did have a virus not long ago that corrupted some DLL files. I went to my restore disc andwithout doing a complete restore, I did a setup on my Video Drivers again,but no change... still can't get into either chat. Any ideas? Know anymiracle cures or know which driver file I'm missing that's necessary to open your chat and FAOL's (theirs is Volcano Chat)? Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Todd Talsma" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:42 PMSubject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room OK. Since there has been some chatter about this, what do you guysthink? Sounded like 10:00 Eastern, 9:00 Central, 8:00 Mountain & 7:00Pacific on Sunday night was the first "scheduled" chat time. I'vegotten a few people who would be willing to host a session. Anybodyelse want to step up to the plate? Maybe someone would even be willingto drag someone else along. Thinking off the top of my headhere......(very dangerous in my case)...John Zimny to help withadhesives and finishes or Theodore Simroe to talk about the Leonard RodCompany. I'm sure other people could think of some other "special"people that could be invited as well. I'm usually in and out of the chat room during the day, but I don'talways check the room at night. I'm out there right now and will beuntil about 4:00 (eastern), so stop by and let me know what you think. KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: I just want to make sure everyone is aware of Todd's bamboo rod maker's chat room that he has up and running. If any of you aren't familiar withthis you can check it out at: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Chat_Room/chat_room.html Chatted last night with several of you and I learned a few things, had a few laughs, and got to know some of you better. It would be nice to have a weekly chat session. Now I am just waiting for the launch of the Nunely web cam! Thanks, Kyle --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction from cathcreek@hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 19:10:06 2002 g1Q1A5804354 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:10:05 - Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:09:56 -0800 Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:09:55 GMT Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room FILETIME=[4D8B93F0:01C1BE62] Bob, my only issue is that no one is ever there when I log in. I guess they are trying to tell me something! Rob From: "Bob Nunley" CC: Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo RoomDate: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:32:55 - 0600 Sorry, Guys, didn't mean to post that to the entire list. Was just tryingto pick Todd's brain a little... BUT, if anyone else has any suggestions,I'm sure open to them! Tnx,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Bob Nunley" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:19 PMSubject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Hey, Todd. Been trying to get on the Chat room. got a problem and someone told me you had a good computer knowledge, so I'll pick your brain.This happens to me on both your chat room and the one at FlyanglersOnline. It says that I need to contact my net. admin about configuring a socket or some BS like that. My ISP says I'm OK, but I did have a virus not long ago that corrupted some DLL files. I went to my restore disc andwithout doing a complete restore, I did a setup on my Video Drivers again, but no change... still can't get into either chat. Any ideas? Know anymiracle cures or know which driver file I'm missing that's necessary to open your chat and FAOL's (theirs is Volcano Chat)? Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Todd Talsma" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:42 PMSubject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room OK. Since there has been some chatter about this, what do you guysthink? Sounded like 10:00 Eastern, 9:00 Central, 8:00 Mountain & 7:00Pacific on Sunday night was the first "scheduled" chat time. I'vegotten a few people who would be willing to host a session. Anybodyelse want to step up to the plate? Maybe someone would even be willing to drag someone else along. Thinking off the top of my headhere......(very dangerous in my case)...John Zimny to help withadhesives and finishes or Theodore Simroe to talk about the Leonard Rod Company. I'm sure other people could think of some other "special"people that could be invited as well. I'm usually in and out of the chat room during the day, but I don'talways check the room at night. I'm out there right now and will beuntil about 4:00 (eastern), so stop by and let me know what you think. KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: I just want to make sure everyone is aware of Todd's bamboo rod maker's chat room that he has up and running. If any of you aren't familiar with this you can check it out at: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Chat_Room/chat_room.html Chatted last night with several of you and I learned a few things, hada few laughs, and got to know some of you better. It would be nice to havea weekly chat session. Now I am just waiting for the launch of the Nunely web cam! Thanks, Kyle --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from marbert@twave.net Mon Feb 25 19:10:50 2002 g1Q1An804482 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:10:49 - Subject: Happy Camper Several weeks ago, I stumbled across Bob Maulucci's reference to Tony =Larson's NS ferrules. I don't know either of these gentlemen, but =(laboring under the assumption that no one on this list would lead me =astray) since the cost of good ferrules from other suppliers is somewhat =steep, I thought I'd give it a whirl. This past weekend, thirteen sets of beautifully crafted ferrules arrived =in the mail box. I've used ferrules from most suppliers.........been =satisfied with some, disappointed with others. The quality and price of = Hopefully, more of you will try some of Tony's ferrules in the near =future. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. And of course, I have =no interest in this company, other than being able to obtain quality = Bob Marbert Several weeks ago, I stumbled across Bob Maulucci's reference to = (laboring under the assumption that no one on this list would lead me = since the cost of good ferrules from other suppliers is somewhat steep, = thought I'd give it a whirl. This past weekend, thirteen sets of beautifully crafted ferrules = Hopefully, more of you will try some of Tony's ferrules in the near = have no interest in this company, other than being able to obtain = Bob Marbert from caneman@clnk.com Mon Feb 25 19:15:41 2002 g1Q1Fe804836 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:15:40 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Happy Camper Bob,I absolutely agree. I started using Tony's ferrules right after I =met him in Grayling last year. Simply put, I love 'em. Great stuff at =any price. The only problem is the restriction of sizes, but according =to his website, he plans, soon, to expand the range of sizes he offers.Not only that, Tony has been very kind and helpful to me offlist =with my constant badgering of him about machine shops and tooling. He's =a great guy and sells a great product. Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com Subject: Happy Camper Several weeks ago, I stumbled across Bob Maulucci's reference to Tony =Larson's NS ferrules. I don't know either of these gentlemen, but =(laboring under the assumption that no one on this list would lead me =astray) since the cost of good ferrules from other suppliers is somewhat =steep, I thought I'd give it a whirl. This past weekend, thirteen sets of beautifully crafted ferrules =arrived in the mail box. I've used ferrules from most =suppliers.........been satisfied with some, disappointed with others. = Hopefully, more of you will try some of Tony's ferrules in the near =future. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. And of course, I have =no interest in this company, other than being able to obtain quality = Bob Marbert Bob, restriction of sizes, but according to his website, he plans, soon, to = the range of sizes he offers. very = helpful to me offlist with my constant badgering of him about machine = Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- Bob = Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002= PMSubject: Happy Camper Several weeks ago, I stumbled across Bob Maulucci's reference to = (laboring under the assumption that no one on this list would lead me = since the cost of good ferrules from other suppliers is somewhat = thought I'd give it a whirl. This past weekend, thirteen sets of beautifully crafted ferrules = Hopefully, more of you will try some of Tony's ferrules in the = have no interest in this company, other than being able to obtain = Bob MarbertHickory, from utzerath@execpc.com Mon Feb 25 19:28:55 2002 g1Q1Ss805389 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:28:54 - g1Q1XBx12389; g1Q1SpF97274; Subject: Re: guide feet Acrylic artists paint thinned down a little with water. You get it atalmost any craft store for a buck or so a bottle in any color. Probablywon't work well with water based CP (ugh); other solvent systems includingepoxy don't seem to affect it. You can also try to match the color of the blank. I've done it with greengraphite. Jim U----- Original Message ----- Subject: guide feet I'm using black guides and after dressing them wanted to restore the blackfinish. I used a permanent marker and became paranoid when most of it came off when wiping with alcohol. I don't want to put something on that bleeds into the wrap when I put the finish on. What do you guys use?? Pls???- dennis aebersold from dybam@oct.net Mon Feb 25 19:33:58 2002 g1Q1Xv805717 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:33:58 -0600 Subject: Re: furled leaders [4000080e]. Communications, Inc. What is a furled leader? Mark Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:30 PMSubject: Re: furled leaders Guys, Guillermo Magari=F1os, on this List, is making and selling furled =leaders in Argentina. I have some, and they are of very good quality. =One other list member is evaluating them, also. They are also very =reasonably priced, 7 feet long, and good for 4x - 8x. You can write =Guillermo at classictackle@hotmail.com or guille32@tutopia.com (Yes, I =have a vested interest in this. Guillermo is paying me 100% of the gross = M-D Thanks for the website on making furled leaders, Jason. I enjoy =casting them, and agree with their proponents that they allow you to =fish a long tippet on a relatively short leader (see Tom Wendelburg's =book, Catching Big Fish on Light Fly Tackle; no $ interest, of course). =As many will know, there are fine directions for, and discussion of =furled tapered leaders in Darrell Martin's book, Micropatterns. --Tom NormalCleanCleanDocumentEmail MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 P.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt; =mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT- FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt; =mso- style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in0pt; =mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}P.MsoPlainText { FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; =mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoPlainText { FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; =mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font- family: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoPlainText { FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; =mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso- fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}SPAN.SpellE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-spl-e: yes}SPAN.GramE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-gram-e: yes}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1} table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle- rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso- style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para- margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow- orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} What is a furled leader? Mark ----- Original Message ----- Jojo =DeLancier Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002= PMSubject: Re: furled =leaders Guys, Guillermo Magari=F1os,= is making and selling furled leaders in Argentina. I have some, and = of very good quality. One other list member is evaluating them, also. = also very reasonably priced, 7 feet long, and good for 4x - 8x. You = Guillermo at classictackle@hotmail.com&n= guille32@tutopia.com (Yes,= vested interest in this. Guillermo is paying me 100% of the gross for = 10 yr.. Riiiiiightt.) M-D Goodmann, Tom Thanks for the website on making furled = and agree with their proponents that they allow you to fish a long = Big Fish on = directions for, and discussion of furled tapered leaders in Darrell = Tom from jojo@ipa.net Mon Feb 25 19:47:36 2002 g1Q1lZ806407 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:47:35 -0600 helo=default) id 16fWiM-0001n1-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:47:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Yes, Rob, Todd's chat room has a special Rob Alert so that everyone knowswhen you log on, and we all just go to private chat mode 'till you've hadenough and leave. Boy, do we get a laugh out of that. Man, you're a hoot! M-D Bob, my only issue is that no one is ever there when I log in. I guess they are trying to tell me something! Rob From: "Bob Nunley" Sorry, Guys, didn't mean to post that to the entire list. Was just trying to pick Todd's brain a little... BUT, if anyone else has any suggestions,I'm sure open to them! Tnx,Bob From: "Bob Nunley" Hey, Todd. Been trying to get on the Chat room. got a problem and someone told me you had a good computer knowledge, so I'll pick your brain.This happens to me on both your chat room and the one at Flyanglers Online. It says that I need to contact my net. admin about configuring a socket or some BS like that. My ISP says I'm OK, but I did have a virus not long ago that corrupted some DLL files. I went to my restore disc andwithout doing a complete restore, I did a setup on my Video Drivers again, but no change... still can't get into either chat. Any ideas? Know any miracle cures or know which driver file I'm missing that's necessary to open your chat and FAOL's (theirs is Volcano Chat)? Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from kenealyj@gwi.net Mon Feb 25 19:53:03 2002 g1Q1r2806737 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:53:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Why did you let him in on the secret- now you've spoiled our fun!!! ;o) ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Yes, Rob, Todd's chat room has a special Rob Alert so that everyone knowswhen you log on, and we all just go to private chat mode 'till you've hadenough and leave. Boy, do we get a laugh out of that. Man, you're a hoot! M-D From: "Robert Clarke" Bob, my only issue is that no one is ever there when I log in. I guess they are trying to tell me something! Rob From: "Bob Nunley" Sorry, Guys, didn't mean to post that to the entire list. Was just trying to pick Todd's brain a little... BUT, if anyone else has any suggestions, I'm sure open to them! Tnx,Bob From: "Bob Nunley" Hey, Todd. Been trying to get on the Chat room. got a problem and someone told me you had a good computer knowledge, so I'll pick your brain.This happens to me on both your chat room and the one at Flyanglers Online. It says that I need to contact my net. admin about configuring a socket or some BS like that. My ISP says I'm OK, but I did have a virus not long ago that corrupted some DLL files. I went to my restore disc and without doing a complete restore, I did a setup on my Video Drivers again, but no change... still can't get into either chat. Any ideas? Know any miracle cures or know which driver file I'm missing that's necessary to open your chat and FAOL's (theirs is Volcano Chat)? Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from jojo@ipa.net Mon Feb 25 20:03:06 2002 g1Q235807341 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:03:05 -0600 helo=default) id 16fWxM-00050Q-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:03:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Nah, now it'll be even more fun, cause he'll know we're doing it. }B^)> M-D Why did you let him in on the secret- now you've spoiled our fun!!! ;o) From: "Jojo DeLancier" Yes, Rob, Todd's chat room has a special Rob Alert so that everyone knows when you log on, and we all just go to private chat mode 'till you've had enough and leave. Boy, do we get a laugh out of that. Man, you're a hoot! M-D From: "Robert Clarke" Bob, my only issue is that no one is ever there when I log in. I guess they are trying to tell me something! Rob From: "Bob Nunley" Sorry, Guys, didn't mean to post that to the entire list. Was just trying to pick Todd's brain a little... BUT, if anyone else has any suggestions, I'm sure open to them! Tnx,Bob From: "Bob Nunley" Hey, Todd. Been trying to get on the Chat room. got a problem and someone told me you had a good computer knowledge, so I'll pick your brain. This happens to me on both your chat room and the one at Flyanglers Online. It says that I need to contact my net. admin about configuring a socket or some BS like that. My ISP says I'm OK, but I did have a virus not long ago that corrupted some DLL files. I went to my restore disc and without doing a complete restore, I did a setup on my Video Drivers again, but no change... still can't get into either chat. Any ideas? Know any miracle cures or know which driver file I'm missing that's necessary to open your chat and FAOL's (theirs is Volcano Chat)? Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from BrooksideNC@aol.com Mon Feb 25 20:21:18 2002 g1Q2LI808034 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:21:18 -0600 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:21:06 -0500 Subject: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Check out these sites for help and info on furled leaders. I love them.ClaudeFreaner's Furled Leader Page FurledLeader Jig Tight Lines, Richard FederationGuide/Fly Fishing Instructer/Costom TierBrookside Guides -- Check out these sites Claude FurledLeader Jig Tight Lines, Richard FederationGuide/Fly FishingInstructer/Costom Tier from drinkr@voicenet.com Mon Feb 25 20:52:38 2002 g1Q2qb809006 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:52:37 - (209.71.86.154) Subject: Modified 5/8" Fingernail Bits I apologize for any seeming commercialism but bear with me. I was able totalk MLCS into modifying their carbide 5/8 inch bit to match the one that isin Jack Howells book. If I purchase at least thirty of these bits they willproduce them at $13 a piece. I was surprised at the price. The one drawbackis the turn over time it will be two months after I work out an order.Evidently all of their bits are produced in China and shipped here. If Ipick up the bits at their facility near by I can skip shipping costs but notPA sales tax. I would imagine that each bit would ring in at about $15shipped. I don't want anymore than cost. MLCS will supply me with a finalsketch that I can forward to anyone interested off list. If anyone isinterested I would like to formulate a solid list to send off to the companyin the next week or two. I need to place a 50% deposit on the total orderbefore they will begin. If we generate enough interest in these bits maybethey will see a need to include them in their catalogue later. Many of youwere interested in this order earlier please contact me off list again so Ican produce a list. if we hit 30 I'll move on it.Thanks in advanceDavid Rinker from canazon@mindspring.com Mon Feb 25 21:26:17 2002 g1Q3QG810053 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:26:16 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16fYFi-0004Pu-00; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:26:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room that's nothing rob. i went there last nite and everybody signed off. canbody odor cross cyberspace? i will say this though, everyone was sure tosay goodnite. kinda like "the waltons".mike. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Bob, my only issue is that no one is ever there when I log in. I guess they are trying to tell me something! Rob From: "Bob Nunley" CC: Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo RoomDate: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:32:55 - 0600 Sorry, Guys, didn't mean to post that to the entire list. Was just trying to pick Todd's brain a little... BUT, if anyone else has any suggestions,I'm sure open to them! Tnx,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Bob Nunley" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:19 PMSubject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Hey, Todd. Been trying to get on the Chat room. got a problem and someone told me you had a good computer knowledge, so I'll pick your brain.This happens to me on both your chat room and the one at Flyanglers Online. It says that I need to contact my net. admin about configuring a socket or some BS like that. My ISP says I'm OK, but I did have a virus not long ago that corrupted some DLL files. I went to my restore disc andwithout doing a complete restore, I did a setup on my Video Drivers again, but no change... still can't get into either chat. Any ideas? Know any miracle cures or know which driver file I'm missing that's necessary to open your chat and FAOL's (theirs is Volcano Chat)? Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Todd Talsma" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:42 PMSubject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room OK. Since there has been some chatter about this, what do you guysthink? Sounded like 10:00 Eastern, 9:00 Central, 8:00 Mountain & 7:00 Pacific on Sunday night was the first "scheduled" chat time. I'vegotten a few people who would be willing to host a session. Anybodyelse want to step up to the plate? Maybe someone would even be willing to drag someone else along. Thinking off the top of my headhere......(very dangerous in my case)...John Zimny to help withadhesives and finishes or Theodore Simroe to talk about the Leonard Rod Company. I'm sure other people could think of some other "special"people that could be invited as well. I'm usually in and out of the chat room during the day, but I don'talways check the room at night. I'm out there right now and will beuntil about 4:00 (eastern), so stop by and let me know what you think. KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: I just want to make sure everyone is aware of Todd's bamboo rod maker's chat room that he has up and running. If any of you aren't familiar with this you can check it out at: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Chat_Room/chat_room.html Chatted last night with several of you and I learned a few things, hada few laughs, and got to know some of you better. It would be nice to havea weekly chat session. Now I am just waiting for the launch of the Nunely web cam! Thanks, Kyle --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Feb 25 21:36:51 2002 g1Q3Z9810557 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:35:09 - (authenticated) Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:35:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Bob, We had about a dozen in there last night, from old hands like Ralph MoonandWayne C., to guys who haven't yet split a culm. Had quite a nice little chat Everyone there agreed that it was a good thing that Todd, Castwell, andLadyFisher had all conspired to ban you and all Harley riding bamboorodmakers from Oklahoma from the chat rooms. Harry Bob wrote: Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from Grnmtrds@aol.com Mon Feb 25 21:42:15 2002 g1Q3ff810806 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:41:42 - for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:41:21 - Subject: happy camper Bob, Does Tony have a web page? How can we get some info on his product? Thanks,Jim from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Feb 25 22:09:06 2002 g1Q495811934 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:09:05 - (authenticated) Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:09:47 -0800 Subject: Re: happy camper Jim, Tony's page can be found at:http://pages.prodigy.net/pumpkin10/about.html Though he's just getting started with it, you can get some good ideasthere. They ARE nice ferrules. Got a coupla sets on the way myself. Harry Grnmtrds@aol.com wrote: Bob, Does Tony have a web page? How can we get some info on his product? Thanks,Jim -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from rmoon@ida.net Mon Feb 25 22:30:02 2002 g1Q4U1813076 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:30:01 - Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room How about it you guys. Shall we set it as Todd has indicated. A solidexpression of interest is in order. As for me, count me in Ralph Todd Talsma wrote: OK. Since there has been some chatter about this, what do you guysthink? Sounded like 10:00 Eastern, 9:00 Central, 8:00 Mountain & 7:00Pacific on Sunday night was the first "scheduled" chat time. I'vegotten a few people who would be willing to host a session. Anybodyelse want to step up to the plate? Maybe someone would even be willingto drag someone else along. Thinking off the top of my headhere......(very dangerous in my case)...John Zimny to help withadhesives and finishes or Theodore Simroe to talk about the Leonard RodCompany. I'm sure other people could think of some other "special"people that could be invited as well. I'm usually in and out of the chat room during the day, but I don'talways check the room at night. I'm out there right now and will beuntil about 4:00 (eastern), so stop by and let me know what you think. KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: I just want to make sure everyone is aware of Todd's bamboo rodmaker's chat room that he has up and running. If any of you aren't familiarwith this you can check it out at: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Chat_Room/chat_room.html Chatted last night with several of you and I learned a few things, had afew laughs, and got to know some of you better. It would be nice to have aweekly chat session. Now I am just waiting for the launch of the Nunely web cam! Thanks, Kyle --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction from d.kennedy@paradise.net.nz Tue Feb 26 01:50:20 2002 g1Q7oI820049 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:50:18 -0600 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:50:02 +1300(NZDT) +1300 Subject: RE: Braiding machine Thanks to all for the interest.I certainly will post a report on what I have done, and the results.In order for it to be useful, I would need to go into some considerable details of gear set up as this is what governs the results.As soon as I can reproduce and control a taper I will burst into print.I am pretty sure the key to success will be to mechanise the process in order to ensure a constant tension in the working threads, and to give a reasonable chance of finishing one in this lifetime.Anyone interested in starting where I did should find a book on Japanese braiding, and look for instructions on an 8 or 16 strand hollow braid. Use different colored threads so you can see where you are up to in the braiding sequence. Regards DGK -----Original Message----- Subject: Braiding machine I went over to Danny Twang's place here in Auckland the other night and was blown out of the water by his rods and the silk lines. from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Tue Feb 26 05:51:36 2002 g1QBpZ822348 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:51:35 - for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:51:43 GMT Subject: Threads Guys I have two surplus bulk trade spools of vintage thread: A ONE OUNCE wooden spool of Elephant grade 40 in a sort of medium pinkyred. And a ONE OUNCE wooden spool of Pearsalls Superfine in red and black classicjasper. Both are full spools, and I would think are from the 1940's or 1950's. I'm not sure how much length a full ounce of thread represents, but I'vebeen using another spool like this for years, and it seems to be thousandsof yards. Maybe someone can give an answer to that. Would anyone like to trade for an equivalent length of thread, maybe made up from smaller spools, in a fine green thread? I'm not too keen on theGudebrod brand, which I find a bit fluffy. I like the YLI #100 and #30 andthe Kinkame Japanese stuff (these makes look very similar to me). Providedis isn't too yellow, any of their greens would be OK in full spools. Note to Don Burns: you remember we did a similar trade some years ago. Ifyou've got to the end of that red jasper, you've made a heck of a lot ofrods. Good wishes to all. John Cooper Normal0DocumentEmail Guys I have two surplus bulk trade spools of vintage =thread: A ONE OUNCE wooden spool of Elephant grade 40 in a sort of medium =pinkyred. And a ONE OUNCE wooden spool of Pearsalls Superfine in red and =blackclassic jasper. Both are full spools, and I would think are from the 1940’s =or 1950’s. I’m not sure how much length a full ounce of thread =represents, but I’vebeen using another spool like this for years, and it seems to be =thousands ofyards. Maybe someone can give an answer to =that. Would anyone like to trade for an equivalent length of thread, =maybemade up from smaller spools, in a fine green thread? I’m not too =keen on the Kinkame =Japanese greens would beOK in full spools. Note to Don Burns: you remember we did a similar trade some years =ago.If you’ve got to the end of that red jasper, you’ve made a =heck of a lot ofrods. Good wishes to all. John Cooper from dnorl@qwest.net Tue Feb 26 06:07:02 2002 g1QC71822719 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:07:01 - (63.228.44.131) Subject: Tony Larson Here's Tony's url for his web page. I don't know why I'm sending this. He is too busy already. I can't get =him to go fishing.Dave Here's Tony's url for his web =page.http://pages.prodigy.net/pum= I don't know why I'm sending this.= busy already. I can't get him to go fishing.Dave from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Feb 26 06:14:39 2002 g1QCEc823003 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:14:38 -0600 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:14:30 -0500 Subject: chat I might make the chat room occasionally (Gawd don't change it for me!) but I am one of those strange people who work on Monday AM. I leave at 4 AMwhich means I have to be at the building doing my pre trip at about 3:30, so I am usually mr. 8 pm and asleep on Sunday night. Yesterday I left the shop at 3:45 and returned at 8:30 not a bad day for all it was cold. managed to squeeze in 782 miles, and went WAY over allowed hours. Egad, glad Idon't do that too often! But occasionally I can manage a "late night!" mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Tue Feb 26 06:39:46 2002 g1QCdj823537 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:39:46 - Subject: RE: Why I love my wife (Yes, it is rodmaking related) Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools Couldn't let this one go, been sleeping on flowered sheets, flannelsheets, "chick sheets" what ever the wife made the bed with, yesterdayshe bought a set of trout / fly fishing sheets. After twelve years ofmarriage, as she puts it, I've been whipped enough, need one of themLeonard Letort 40 tapers now to do a little whipping of my own [;)] (onlykidding).She is wondering why the Stanley 9 1/2 is still in the box and I haven'tplaned off the doors that stick. I got it new from a friend who works Take care, Pete -----Original Message----- Subject: Why I love my wife (Yes, it is rodmaking related) As some of you know, I bought an old production mill and have beenspending my time setting it up between handplaning the latest orders. Ihave been very very excited about getting it up and running, and manyguys on the list have been helping me with little things that neededanswering, like power, cutters, etc.... Today, I finally got itreassembled after a grueling (very cold outside in the garage) timehauling all the workbenches out of the way, cleaning up, and lugging allthe pieces down in the basement shop. I had to disconnect the very veryheavy motor in order to get the main unit down the stairs. I reassembledthe whole main section, the cutter head section, and the arms that formthe infeed bed and the outfeed's chain driven unit. I spent many hoursbolting, repositioning, and tweaking all the parts, figuring the unitout as I went along, looking over and over at the few pictures of theassembled machine I have. I did not reattach the dual voltage motors, asI am taking them to be looked at and possibly rewired to 110. I wantedto see how the unit worked, so I took a roughed strip and attached it tothe hold down. I figured it out and manually pulled the chain andwatched as the taper bar moved through the machine setting the magic inmotion. I could not contain my excitment so I called my wife down to seehow the whole shabang worked. I found a butt section cut off andexplained how a rod was made up out of many tapered triangles. I tookthe roughed strip and put it into the hold down clamp. I showed how thetaper bar rolled on the track and bumped the hold down bed and strip upinto the cutters. I pulled the cutters out of the box and showed howwhen paired up side by side, they formed a triangle. I pointed out theincrease in the taper bars and how that would take more off the bambooforming the smaller tips. As I pulled the bar through I showed how thecane was moving up and more would be cut off. I explained where thepulleys and motors that drive the cutters and the chain drive would go.I pulled the strip through and rejoiced as the bar disengaged as ittravelled to the end of its path. My wife's reply, "That's it?" My headhung low. Disbelief showed on my face. "I'm sorry honey. I just thoughtit would do more." When will I ever learn,Bob ps., Oh yeah. 5 minutes later she asked, "That thing won't be runningall day long while we're at work, will it?" from ttalsma@macatawa.org Tue Feb 26 06:54:49 2002 g1QCsm823979 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:54:48 - id ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:47:38 -0500 id D56AMNR3; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:47:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Thanks Harry. Now you're trying to get me in trouble. You're about asbad as Tony Young and Wayne C. One time, they were conspiring to get mein big trouble with SWMBO! Thanks a lot. Harry Boyd wrote: Bob, We had about a dozen in there last night, from old hands like Ralph MoonandWayne C., to guys who haven't yet split a culm. Had quite a nice little chat Everyone there agreed that it was a good thing that Todd, Castwell, andLadyFisher had all conspired to ban you and all Harley riding bamboorodmakers from Oklahoma from the chat rooms. Harry Bob wrote: Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from harms1@pa.net Tue Feb 26 07:06:57 2002 Received: from Cc: References: Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Can't say enough good thingsabout Tony Larson's products. I have gotten several sets of his ferrules overthe past few months, and laid in a good supply of his smaller sized reel seatcaps, rings and cork checks. The stuff is beautifully machined and polished,and you can't beat the quality at any price. The only thing I worry about isthat he may become swamped with orders. (No interest, in enterprise)Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Boyd" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:07 PMSubject: Re: happy camper Jim, Tony's page can be found at:http://pages.prodigy.net/pumpkin10/about.html Though he's just getting started with it, you can get some good ideasthere. They ARE nice ferrules. Got a coupla sets on the way myself. Harry Grnmtrds@aol.com wrote: Bob, Does Tony have a web page? How can we get some info on his product? Thanks,Jim -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from Jkvseafood@aol.com Tue Feb 26 07:31:44 2002 g1QDVh825103 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:31:43 - Subject: Re: Why I love my wife (Yes, it is rodmaking related) ask your wife where i can get a set of those sheets. i'd love to put them on the bed just to see the look on my wife's face! i must say my wife is the best. karen (my wife) has allowed my to build a 16 x 20 ft building in our small back yard and buy all these tools, because as she says "the dining room table is for eating" . i thought the sofa in front of the tv was for eating and the table was for making rods? guess who won? my work shop will have a futon, tv, ac, bar and stereo as well as the tools. after two weeks she will probably put the rod building stuff back on the kitchen table, since she doesn't see me anymore. has anyone figured these chicks out yet? jh from Mark.Babiy@stel.tdsb.on.ca Tue Feb 26 07:52:55 2002 g1QDqs825787 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:52:54 - Subject: Re: Modified 5/8" Fingernail Bits I would take a bit. Let me know what you need and I will get it out toyou. Thanks Mark Babiy from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Feb 26 08:02:51 2002 g1QE2o826257 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:02:50 - (authenticated) Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:04:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Ralph, Though I'm not too sure if it will help or hurt participation, you can expectme to be involved regularly as well. Due to my profession, I can't commit toevery single SundayNight, but I'll be there most Sundays, at 9pm Central time. Harry PS - Todd and Bob -- you know I was kidding on the other matter, right? "Ralph W. Moon" wrote: How about it you guys. Shall we set it as Todd has indicated. A solidexpression of interest is in order. As for me, count me in -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from jojo@ipa.net Tue Feb 26 08:28:45 2002 g1QESi827192 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:28:44 -0600 helo=default) id 16fiaq-0000VO-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:28:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Why I love my wife (Yes, it is rodmaking related) SNIP has anyone figured these chicks out yet? jh This comes by way of a very old man in Gulfport, Mississippi. Wisdom handeddown to him by his father."Son, they're all crazy -- just some more than others." M-D from rmoon@ida.net Tue Feb 26 09:38:05 2002 g1QFc4801066 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:38:04 - Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room Gee Gee Harry, I have the perfect answer. Get your priorities right and changeprofessions. LOL Actually the Sunday night time is one that might not beappropriate for a lot of us.The simple solution is to double the pleasure and have two regular times sothat people like you and Mark can still join in. The only question remaining iswhat would be best for youguys. I felt pretty good the other night (Sunday), because it gave me achance to interact with friends and not worry about much more thanfriendship. I even ran into a disagreementcaused by your problems, that has sent me back to the drawing board. Evena decrepit old canine can still learn. I know I am getting mushy, but all of themembers of the list havemade my last few years very enjoyable ones. I thank you all. God Bless you. Ralph Harry Boyd wrote: Ralph, Though I'm not too sure if it will help or hurt participation, you can expectme to be involved regularly as well. Due to my profession, I can't commit toevery single SundayNight, but I'll be there most Sundays, at 9pm Central time. Harry PS - Todd and Bob -- you know I was kidding on the other matter, right? "Ralph W. Moon" wrote: How about it you guys. Shall we set it as Todd has indicated. A solidexpression of interest is in order. As for me, count me in -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from alan.grombacher@pioneer.com Tue Feb 26 09:51:52 2002 g1QFpp802068 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:51:51 - 26 Feb 2002 10:51:35 -0500 id ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:51:34 -0600 rodmakers Subject: RE: Al Grombacher, Computer Bug? Hey Guys, The seems to be coming from my old email address. We changed emailaddresses at my outfit awhile back. I'll see what I can find out about it. Sorry about all the hassles. Alberta Al Grombacher -----Original Message----- Subject: Al Grombacher, Computer Bug? I have now received 4 "undeliveral message" errors for Al Grombacher, but Ihaven't sent him a message. Is this a bug of some sort? from KyleDruey@aol.com Tue Feb 26 09:54:37 2002 g1QFsb802396 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:54:37 -0600 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:54:26 -0500 MAILINID63-0226105426; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:54:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! List, please help out one of the slower members. I don't quite get it on thisfurled leader thing. Using the quick and dirty version, what is a furled leaderand why is is better than either buying off the shelf knotless leaders, ortieing your own knotted leaders? Thanks, Kyle In a message dated Mon, 25 Feb 2002 9:21:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,BrooksideNC@aol.com writes: Check out these sites for help and info on furled leaders. I love them. Claude Freaner's Furled Leader Page Furled Leader Jig Tight Lines, Richard Federation Guide/Fly Fishing Instructer/Costom Tier Brookside Guides from mrc@mars.plala.or.jp Tue Feb 26 10:26:22 2002 g1QGQF804379 id g1QGQ6c17747; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:26:06 +0900 (JST) id BAA04413; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:25:33 +0900 (JST) Subject: Re: Braiding machine Darryl et al, This might also help; Here are some URLs; http://www.northnet.org/ropeworks/text/r.html Rope maker's biblehttp://www.wctatel.net/web/equityrealty/ropeINDEX.htmlin this url, there is a brief sentence that the explained tool can make silkfishing line. enjoy. Max P.S. soryy for attachment. It is one of Japanese girls toy, called lilyancord. I have seen silk fly fishing line produced on the conventional braidingmachine listed on this page, but the company is in India. Don't know what it would cost to get it delivered in the U.S.http://www.geesons.comDarryl Hayashida Please excuse the verbiage that follows. I am sending this from work and our legal dept. puts it in automatically. This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialorprivileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Tue Feb 26 10:46:44 2002 g1QGki805650 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:46:44 -0600 pri.pacificare.com 2002 16:50:48 UT (Tumbleweed ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:45:54 -0800 Subject: RE: Braiding machine There is a difference between rope making, which twists together theindividual fibers, and braiding, which actually criss crosses the fibersover and under each other. For a silk fly line you would want it braided.The machines on those pages were machines to twist the fibers together forrope making. I have looked at a Japanese art called kumihimo, but unless you are veryskilled you would only be able to make 4 or 5 inches an hour.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Braiding machine Darryl et al, This might also help; Here are some URLs; http://www.northnet.org/ropeworks/text/r.html Rope maker's biblehttp://www.wctatel.net/web/equityrealty/ropeINDEX.htmlin this url, there is a brief sentence that the explained tool can makesilkfishing line. enjoy. Max P.S. soryy for attachment. It is one of Japanese girls toy, calledlilyancord. I have seen silk fly fishing line produced on the conventional braidingmachine listed on this page, but the company is in India. Don't know whatit would cost to get it delivered in the U.S.http://www.geesons.comDarryl Hayashida Please excuse the verbiage that follows. I am sending this from work and our legal dept. puts it in automatically. This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialorprivileged. The information is intended to be for the use of theindividualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be awarethatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notifythe sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from chris_wohlford@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 11:05:08 2002 g1QH57806777 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:05:07 -0600 Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:05:06 PST Subject: RE: Braiding machine "'RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu'" It's a less than ideal photo but below is a link to abraiding machine at the Catskill Fly Fishing center. Regards,Chris --- "d.kennedy" wrote: Thanks to all for the interest.I certainly will post a report on what I have done,and the results.In order for it to be useful, I would need to gointo some considerable details of gear set up as this is what governs theresults.As soon as I can reproduce and control a taper Iwill burst into print.I am pretty sure the key to success will be tomechanise the process in order to ensure a constant tension in the workingthreads, and to give a reasonable chance of finishing one in this lifetime.Anyone interested in starting where I did shouldfind a book on Japanese braiding, and look for instructions on an 8 or 16strand hollow braid. Use different colored threads so you can see where youare up to in the braiding sequence. Regards DGK __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com from mrc@mars.plala.or.jp Tue Feb 26 11:11:59 2002 g1QHBw807540 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:11:58 - id g1QHBuv10961 for ; Wed, 27 Feb2002 02:11:57 +0900 (JST) id CAA05490 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 200202:11:55 +0900 (JST) Subject: Re: Braiding machine Darryl, Then, is a silk fly line hollowed?Should something stay inside as core? I Kumihimo would be tremendously time consuming. Max There is a difference between rope making, which twists together theindividual fibers, and braiding, which actually criss crosses the fibersover and under each other. For a silk fly line you would want it braided.The machines on those pages were machines to twist the fibers togetherforrope making. I have looked at a Japanese art called kumihimo, but unless you are veryskilled you would only be able to make 4 or 5 inches an hour. from chris_wohlford@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 11:15:28 2002 g1QHFS807969 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:15:28 -0600 Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:15:27 PST Subject: RE: Braiding machine d.kennedy@paradise.net.nz,"'RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu'" Sorry link is: http://www.cffcm.org/cmmt03.html--- Chris Wohlford wrote: It's a less than ideal photo but below is a link toabraiding machine at the Catskill Fly Fishing center. Regards,Chris --- "d.kennedy" wrote: Thanks to all for the interest.I certainly will post a report on what I have done, and the results.In order for it to be useful, I would need to gointo some considerable details of gear set up as this is what governs theresults.As soon as I can reproduce and control a taper Iwill burst into print.I am pretty sure the key to success will be tomechanise the process in order to ensure a constant tension in the workingthreads, and to give a reasonable chance of finishing one in this lifetime. Anyone interested in starting where I did shouldfind a book on Japanese braiding, and look for instructions on an 8 or 16strand hollow braid. Use different colored threads so you can see where youare up to in the braiding sequence. Regards DGK __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Tue Feb 26 11:19:29 2002 g1QHJS808387 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:19:28 - pri.pacificare.com 2002 17:23:32 UT (Tumbleweed ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:18:36 -0800 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Braiding machine All of the silk fly fishing lines I have seen were a hollow braid, and someof them - the larger line weights - had some sort of a cord in the middle.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Braiding machine Darryl, Then, is a silk fly line hollowed?Should something stay inside as core? I Kumihimo would be tremendously time consuming. Max There is a difference between rope making, which twists together theindividual fibers, and braiding, which actually criss crosses the fibersover and under each other. For a silk fly line you would want it braided. The machines on those pages were machines to twist the fibers together for rope making. I have looked at a Japanese art called kumihimo, but unless you are veryskilled you would only be able to make 4 or 5 inches an hour. This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Tue Feb 26 12:09:06 2002 g1QI95811477 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:09:05 -0600 pri.pacificare.com 2002 18:13:10 UT (Tumbleweed ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:08:12 -0800 Subject: RE: Braiding machine That machine looks like the geesons braiding machine.http://www.geesons.com/prod1c.htm#vertDarryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:15 AM 'RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu'Subject: RE: Braiding machine Sorry link is: http://www.cffcm.org/cmmt03.html--- Chris Wohlford wrote: It's a less than ideal photo but below is a link toabraiding machine at the Catskill Fly Fishing center. Regards,Chris --- "d.kennedy" wrote: Thanks to all for the interest.I certainly will post a report on what I have done, and the results.In order for it to be useful, I would need to gointo some considerable details of gear set up as this is what governs theresults.As soon as I can reproduce and control a taper Iwill burst into print.I am pretty sure the key to success will be tomechanise the process in order to ensure a constant tension in the workingthreads, and to give a reasonable chance of finishing one in this lifetime. Anyone interested in starting where I did shouldfind a book on Japanese braiding, and look for instructions on an 8 or 16strand hollow braid. Use different colored threads so you can see where youare up to in the braiding sequence. Regards DGK __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from snooker_e@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 12:33:18 2002 g1QIXI813007 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:33:18 - 26 Feb 2002 10:33:17 PST Subject: introduction List, Well, since i have been frequenting Todd's chat room the last few nights Ithought I should go ahead and introduce myself to everyone. I've been onthe list for a year or so, just lurking to pick up tips that might beuseful for the graphite(plastic) rods I build. I've beenbuilding(assembling) graphite and fiberglass rods for about 10 years. I've built everything from offshore trolling rods to 2wt fly rods. Havebeen mostly making flyrods though the last few years. It's all just ahobby, but it gives me something to do with my free time. About 6 monthsago, i got a delta midi lathe and have been turning seat inserts. I justfinished up my first mortised seat insert last week( thanks to info I got from the list)to go on a lamiglas fiberglass 3wt. Well, I can't stand itanymore and I have decided that it is time to build a cane rod. I'm inthe process right now of putting a list together of all the stuff I'mgoing to need and where to find it. This in itself has been quite aprocess. I'm looking for the 3/4" keystock right now to start on a set offorms, and plan to go looking for hardware for them this weekend. Ifigure it will take me a while to build them, and I can start gatheringthe other bits and pieces as I work on the forms. I'm trying to take thiswhole process slow, but I'm not too good at it. My wallet helps slow medown though, so I can't go too hog wild. I think that covers most of the rodbuilding stuff. On the personal side,I live in New Smyrna Beach, FL, just south of Daytona Beach. You know,NASCAR last week, Bike week this coming week...UGH!! I have no idea whyI'm planning to build cane rods in Florida, oh well, I'll just have thebest bream busters around. Or maybe I can start a new flats fishing fad,catching redfish on cane rods. Enough of the silliness. I do try to getup to the NC mountains a few times a year to trout fish, and hopefully Ican do it with Cane in the future. And last but not least, I have awonderful wife, that puts up with all this madness, and a 7 month old sonwho gets most of my free time right now. Sorry for the long post, wasnt'sure what I was going to write and ended up babbling on and on. Regards,Eric Young PS...Thanks to everyone who participates on the list. I have learned somuch already from the archives and folks personal websites. What a wealthof knowledge there is here!! =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com from rmoon@ida.net Tue Feb 26 12:56:52 2002 g1QIup814278 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:56:51 - Subject: Re: introduction Glad to meet you Eric. If I can he of help, yell at me.Ralph Eric Young wrote: List, Well, since i have been frequenting Todd's chat room the last few nights Ithought I should go ahead and introduce myself to everyone. I've been onthe list for a year or so, just lurking to pick up tips that might beuseful for the graphite(plastic) rods I build. I've beenbuilding(assembling) graphite and fiberglass rods for about 10 years.I've built everything from offshore trolling rods to 2wt fly rods. Havebeen mostly making flyrods though the last few years. It's all just ahobby, but it gives me something to do with my free time. About 6 monthsago, i got a delta midi lathe and have been turning seat inserts. I justfinished up my first mortised seat insert last week( thanks to info I got from the list)to go on a lamiglas fiberglass 3wt. Well, I can't stand itanymore and I have decided that it is time to build a cane rod. I'm inthe process right now of putting a list together of all the stuff I'mgoing to need and where to find it. This in itself has been quite aprocess. I'm looking for the 3/4" keystock right now to start on a set offorms, and plan to go looking for hardware for them this weekend. Ifigure it will take me a while to build them, and I can start gatheringthe other bits and pieces as I work on the forms. I'm trying to take thiswhole process slow, but I'm not too good at it. My wallet helps slow medown though, so I can't go too hog wild. I think that covers most of the rodbuilding stuff. On the personal side,I live in New Smyrna Beach, FL, just south of Daytona Beach. You know,NASCAR last week, Bike week this coming week...UGH!! I have no idea whyI'm planning to build cane rods in Florida, oh well, I'll just have thebest bream busters around. Or maybe I can start a new flats fishing fad,catching redfish on cane rods. Enough of the silliness. I do try to getup to the NC mountains a few times a year to trout fish, and hopefully Ican do it with Cane in the future. And last but not least, I have awonderful wife, that puts up with all this madness, and a 7 month old sonwho gets most of my free time right now. Sorry for the long post, wasnt'sure what I was going to write and ended up babbling on and on. Regards,Eric Young PS...Thanks to everyone who participates on the list. I have learned somuch already from the archives and folks personal websites. What awealthof knowledge there is here!! =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com from jvswan@earthlink.net Tue Feb 26 12:59:37 2002 g1QIxb814591 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:59:37 - (216.160.236.98) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108Subject: Forms frustration Hi all, Not being much of a metal worker, I managed to mess up my forms. I havebeen plinking away at them since last August (I know they are only supposedto take about 20 to 30 hours to make, but I have managed to put in morethan60). Well, somehow I managed to mess up the shoulder bolt holes so that thebolts won't go all the way into the holes. Almost all of them get stuckbecause the screw in a little bit crooked, making the shoulder jam againstthe side of the hole. I don't know if I drilled the holes at an angle or if I messed them upduring the tapping. When I drilled the holes I tested my drill press bydrilling some scrap wood and measuring the entry and exit holes. Theymatched, so I figured the holes were straight. I also tried to keep the tapstraight, but I often noticed it canting to the side. Thinking that the tapwould follow the hole, I just assumed it was me and my eyes that were off. Anyway, now that I have this thing mostly finished, is there any way tosalvage them? I have collected all my other tools, and just need the bamboobefore I can get started. So, needless to say, I'm a bit deflated by thisproblem. Any tips or suggestions would be sincerely appreciated. Jason from chris_wohlford@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 13:06:35 2002 g1QJ6Y815171 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:06:34 -0600 Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:06:28 PST Subject: RE: Braiding machine "'RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu'" Regards,Chris --- Hayashida Darryl wrote: That machine looks like the geesons braidingmachine.http://www.geesons.com/prod1c.htm#vertDarryl Hayashida -----Original Message-----From: Chris Wohlford Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:15 AM 'RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu'Subject: RE: Braiding machine Sorry link is: http://www.cffcm.org/cmmt03.html--- Chris Wohlford wrote: It's a less than ideal photo but below is a link to abraiding machine at the Catskill Fly Fishing center. Regards,Chris --- "d.kennedy" wrote: Thanks to all for the interest.I certainly will post a report on what I have done, and the results.In order for it to be useful, I would need to go into some considerable details of gear set up as this is what governs the results.As soon as I can reproduce and control a taper I will burst into print.I am pretty sure the key to success will be tomechanise the process in order to ensure a constant tension in the working threads, and to give a reasonable chance of finishing one in this lifetime. Anyone interested in starting where I did should find a book on Japanese braiding, and look for instructions on an 8 or 16 strand hollow braid. Use different colored threads so you can see where you are up to in the braiding sequence. Regards DGK __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! 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Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Feb 26 13:47:26 2002 g1QJlQ817967 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:47:26 - g1QJlHg17512; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:47:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Forms frustration Jason,No doubt you tapped the holes at an angle. You might be able to go to thenextlarger screw size. If you used a fine thread screw you might be able to drillout the holes and tap for a coarse screw, A coarse thread takes a largerhole.Another alternative is to re-drill another set of holes.To tape straight. Square up the form under the drill bit. Drill the proper sizehole. Get a spring loaded tapping pin at your tool supply house. HF had there Lower the drill shaft and lock it down when you have taken up the springextension.This pin has a centering point on it and that point goes in therecessin the top of the tap handle. This keeps the tap in line with the hole you justdrilled. The point had an internal spring the puts pressure on the tap handletokeep everything in line. If you need a photo of this set up let me know, I canget one to you.Hope this will help.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.comJason Swan wrote: Hi all, Not being much of a metal worker, I managed to mess up my forms. I havebeen plinking away at them since last August (I know they are onlysupposedto take about 20 to 30 hours to make, but I have managed to put in morethan60). Well, somehow I managed to mess up the shoulder bolt holes so thatthebolts won't go all the way into the holes. Almost all of them get stuckbecause the screw in a little bit crooked, making the shoulder jam againstthe side of the hole. I don't know if I drilled the holes at an angle or if I messed them upduring the tapping. When I drilled the holes I tested my drill press bydrilling some scrap wood and measuring the entry and exit holes. Theymatched, so I figured the holes were straight. I also tried to keep the tapstraight, but I often noticed it canting to the side. Thinking that the tapwould follow the hole, I just assumed it was me and my eyes that were off. Anyway, now that I have this thing mostly finished, is there any way tosalvage them? I have collected all my other tools, and just need thebamboobefore I can get started. So, needless to say, I'm a bit deflated by thisproblem. Any tips or suggestions would be sincerely appreciated. Jason from KyleDruey@aol.com Tue Feb 26 14:07:38 2002 g1QK7c820253 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:07:38 -0600 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:07:20 -0500 0226150720; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:07:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Thanks for all the great off list info. There seems to be something to thisfurled leader thing. I guess the fishing line companies don't want us to knowabout them because the profit margins must be much higher for theextruded plastic high production leaders they market. Reminds me of how Anheuser Busch has duped the American beer drinkingpublic in to thinking that real beer is "Bud" because this type of beer iseasiest for them to produce in large quantities and enables them to makethe most money. Thanks again, Kyle from twilhelm@occasionalrod.com Tue Feb 26 16:14:40 2002 g1QMEd804230 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:14:39 - Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:13:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Forms frustration To keep the threads straight when taping, keep the two bars together andusethe one bar where the shoulder goes to act as guide for the tap. As an example I drilled my dowel holes then using a #7 bit I think, drilleda hole for the shoulder bolt through both bars. I then switched bits to a5/16" and drill through one bar and a portion of the other to accommodatethe shoulder of the bolt. Drop the tap in the larger hole and it aligns itperfectly with the #7 hole. Tim----- Original Message ----- Subject: Forms frustration Hi all, Not being much of a metal worker, I managed to mess up my forms. I havebeen plinking away at them since last August (I know they are only supposed to take about 20 to 30 hours to make, but I have managed to put in more than 60). Well, somehow I managed to mess up the shoulder bolt holes so that the bolts won't go all the way into the holes. Almost all of them get stuckbecause the screw in a little bit crooked, making the shoulder jam againstthe side of the hole. I don't know if I drilled the holes at an angle or if I messed them upduring the tapping. When I drilled the holes I tested my drill press bydrilling some scrap wood and measuring the entry and exit holes. Theymatched, so I figured the holes were straight. I also tried to keep the tap straight, but I often noticed it canting to the side. Thinking that the tap would follow the hole, I just assumed it was me and my eyes that were off. Anyway, now that I have this thing mostly finished, is there any way tosalvage them? I have collected all my other tools, and just need the bamboo before I can get started. So, needless to say, I'm a bit deflated by thisproblem. Any tips or suggestions would be sincerely appreciated. Jason from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Tue Feb 26 16:24:09 2002 g1QMO8804994 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:24:08 -0600 g1QMO6r28236; Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! okay. i still don't understand furled leaders. would one of you nicegentlemen (or Bob, even) respond ON list? Thanks, brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Thanks for all the great off list info. There seems to be something to this furled leader thing. I guess the fishing line companies don't want usto know about them because the profit margins must be much higher for theextruded plastic high production leaders they market. Reminds me of how Anheuser Busch has duped the American beer drinking public in to thinking that real beer is "Bud" because this type of beer iseasiest for them to produce in large quantities and enables them to makethemost money. Thanks again, Kyle from caneman@clnk.com Tue Feb 26 16:34:09 2002 g1QMY8805799 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:34:08 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Hey, Brian,I'll give it a shot. I sent this to Kyle this morning, and of course,when it gets to advantages, this is strictly my experience/opinion. Belowis what I wrote to Kyle. Besides the guy I mention below, I think there area couple of the listmembers that sell furled leaders. I know Skip Shorbdoes, and I have one of his, just haven't worn out the last ones I got fromJim, so haven't tried it yet. Judging from it's appearance and feel rightout of the package, I'd say it's as good as any. Furled leaders are nothing more than thread twisted together. Differentnumbers of threads are used along the leaders length, so that it has atapered appearance. It's not as simple as that sounds, but not a terriblytechnical process either. You can make or buy furled leaders made of eitherfly tying thread or thin monofilament. I personally prefer the ones made offly tying thread because of the colors. I have one man that makes all ofmine, and consider him the best there is. His leader designs are just astep above any others I've tried.Until I met this gentleman, I tied all my own knotted leaders because Icould never find a knotless leader that would turn over the way i wanted itto. Furled leaders turn over better than any leader, in any price range,that I've ever seen. Advantages:I've been flyfishing for 35 years and have never had a leader thatturns over as nicely as a furled leader.Great for nymphing. Once you get used to them, if you get them incolored tyingthread configuration, it eliminates the need for a strikeindicator. Also, in dimlight while dry fly fishing, or during one of those "fog like"trico hatches, it canhelp you hone your eyes in on the location of your fly. Thecolor of the threadleaders does NOT spooke the fish. I fish them in tiny crystalclear streams inMontana for wild fish that will bolt at the sight of a shadow...no trouble withthe furled leaders spooking them.Versitility. If you want a sinking leader, simply fish it fresh,and don't treat it withany kind of floatant. If you want a floating leader, sock alittle mucilin or flyfloatant to it and it will float better and higher in the waterthan any otherleader I've ever used.Durability. I have one on my 5'6" quad right now that has been onthere sinceAugust. It's about time to change it out, but not because ofany damage doneto it fishing, but because with so many people "test casting" myrods, it nowhas quite a few knots in it.Compared to braided mono leaders, you don't get the "spray" at theend of thecast that you will with braided leaders. If you want to try one, email Jim Cramer at jimc@monitor.net . He makes allof my furled leaders and in my opinion, just makes the best availble leaderon the market. Considering their durability, they are a much better bargainthan any other style leader on the Market. I don't know where you'relocated but Jim lives in Nothern California somewhere... can't remember forsure where, but a great guy to deal with and gives great service. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! okay. i still don't understand furled leaders. would one of you nicegentlemen (or Bob, even) respond ON list? Thanks, brian----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:07 PMSubject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Thanks for all the great off list info. There seems to be something to this furled leader thing. I guess the fishing line companies don't want us to know about them because the profit margins must be much higher fortheextruded plastic high production leaders they market. Reminds me of how Anheuser Busch has duped the American beerdrinking public in to thinking that real beer is "Bud" because this type of beer iseasiest for them to produce in large quantities and enables them to make the most money. Thanks again, Kyle from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Feb 26 16:35:25 2002 g1QMZP805970 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:35:25 - (authenticated) Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:36:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Brian, Furled leaders basically consist of about 50 yards of fly tying threadtwisted and knotted into a leader. They are limp, stretchy, and strong. Theyturn over a fly like nobody's business. I love them for dry flies, but have hadsome difficulties with nymphs and indicators, though I have hopes of workingthose difficulties out soon. A bunch of us followed the directions on Claude's page, along with somestuff from Henk Verhaar that I can no longer find, and made our own. Want to try one? Send me your snail mail.Harry Brian D. Creek" wrote: okay. i still don't understand furled leaders. would one of you nicegentlemen (or Bob, even) respond ON list? Thanks, brian----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:07 PMSubject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Thanks for all the great off list info. There seems to be something to this furled leader thing. I guess the fishing line companies don't want usto know about them because the profit margins must be much higher fortheextruded plastic high production leaders they market. Reminds me of how Anheuser Busch has duped the American beerdrinking public in to thinking that real beer is "Bud" because this type of beer iseasiest for them to produce in large quantities and enables them to makethemost money. Thanks again, Kyle --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Tue Feb 26 16:46:13 2002 g1QMkD806902 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:46:13 -0600 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:31:23 -0600 Subject: RE: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Attached is a note I sent to Kyle earlier. Note, some people love furled,and some don't. They may not be right for everybody.... Howdy Kyle -- Here's my naive perspective on furled leaders. I have only fished them afew times, but I already know that I love them. Regular leaders of nylonmonofilament have memory. No matter how well you try to straighten them,they have some amount of residual coiling. They are also stiff, by virtueof their diameter. What I like about the furled leaders that I bought fromJim Cramer ( from California), is that they perform perfectly, with nomemoryor stiffness. They turn over beautifully, do not throw a spray like thebraided nylon leaders that Orvis came out with 10 or 15 years ago, and theyare quite reasonably priced. Once I get my jig made, I plan to make themmyself. They do not appear that difficult. For your dry fly trout fishing,I believe you would like them if you tried them. For 6 bucks, it's worththe shot. Let me know if you'd like Cramer's address, he's a good guy towork with. NFI, etc. TAM -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! okay. i still don't understand furled leaders. would one of you nicegentlemen (or Bob, even) respond ON list? Thanks, brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Thanks for all the great off list info. There seems to be something to this furled leader thing. I guess the fishing line companies don't want usto know about them because the profit margins must be much higher for theextruded plastic high production leaders they market. Reminds me of how Anheuser Busch has duped the American beer drinking public in to thinking that real beer is "Bud" because this type of beer iseasiest for them to produce in large quantities and enables them to makethemost money. Thanks again, Kyle from RMargiotta@aol.com Tue Feb 26 18:20:16 2002 g1R0KF810836 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:20:15 - for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:20:05 - Subject: Janome Silk Thread I just picked up several spools of this thread and I must say I've impressed. The colors seem especially vibrant, much more so than any other brand I've tried. It's a Size 50, almost no fuzzies. Does anyone have any experience with this thread? --Rich from guille32@tutopia.com Tue Feb 26 18:30:53 2002 g1R0Ur811290 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:30:53 -0600 Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Hi everyone, here is the copy of a mail I've sent to Mark Dyba about furledleaders. Guillermo Hello MarkIn few words a furled leader would be a tapered rope made out of mono ortying thread.When you have a closer look, you see it is made by two tapered halvestwisted agains each other, like a rope.The taper in these halves is given by the different amount of strands of thematerial you use for each section of the leader.Furled leaders have many advantages over other types of leaders.-They are almost memory free. When you have one of them in you hand youseetheir butt section has no memory wich will help you in transfering, withouta noticeable loss, the Energy from your line to the fly, therefore they areeasier to cast, improve presentation and are suitable even for nonexperimented casters. This "line Energy saving" property lets us use longertippets too.When you cast a mono leader, part of the casting Energy is lost by"fighting" its memory, wich may mean an imperfect fly turn over and poorpresentation.-By the nature of their construction, they strech more than any monoleader.Mono leaders strech between 5 to 8% of their length, furled leaders maystrech up to 15% of their length wich has advantages in two places:In the air, when you cast, if you shorten the loop and try to cast faster,they will strech and store Energy like a spring, then, when you do yourfinal cast, that Energy will be delivered to the fly. This will also allowyou to use longer tippets than usual without any risk of not turning overthe fly and it will help you to make better casts against the wind too.On the water, when you play a fish, the same happens, the leader streches,wich will protect light tippets meaning less fish being lost.-Furled leaders don't tend to collect water like braided leaders do.Braided leaders are hollow wich is nice for delicacy when they are dry, butwhen they get few times on the water, they hold water inside wich createsthat caracteristic spray.Furled leaders act almost like mono leaders in this matter.-They are good for many fishing situations but are specially good for dryflies.-If you use the tippet sizes recomended by the maker, they may lastseasons.-Their caracteristics can be changed varying the material, the strength, thenumber of strands, the lenght, etc. Mark, hope this clarifies a bit about furled leaders to you. Guillermo from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Feb 26 18:39:56 2002 g1R0du811785 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:39:56 - g1R0drE20275 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:39:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Haven't worn mine out either. I was given some furled leaders several yearsago waste. Skip gave me one when I did not have another leader on hand so Iattachedit to the fly line. It is still there, taken a load of fish on it and it isstill good as new. Skip will do a demo on making Furled leaders at the Sowbug.He has come up with a almost automated rig.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Bob Nunley wrote: Hey, Brian,I'll give it a shot. I sent this to Kyle this morning, and of course,when it gets to advantages, this is strictly my experience/opinion. Belowis what I wrote to Kyle. Besides the guy I mention below, I think there area couple of the listmembers that sell furled leaders. I know Skip Shorbdoes, and I have one of his, just haven't worn out the last ones I got fromJim, so haven't tried it yet. Judging from it's appearance and feel rightout of the package, I'd say it's as good as any. Furled leaders are nothing more than thread twisted together. Differentnumbers of threads are used along the leaders length, so that it has atapered appearance. It's not as simple as that sounds, but not a terriblytechnical process either. You can make or buy furled leaders made ofeitherfly tying thread or thin monofilament. I personally prefer the ones made offly tying thread because of the colors. I have one man that makes all ofmine, and consider him the best there is. His leader designs are just astep above any others I've tried.Until I met this gentleman, I tied all my own knotted leaders because Icould never find a knotless leader that would turn over the way i wanted itto. Furled leaders turn over better than any leader, in any price range,that I've ever seen. Advantages:I've been flyfishing for 35 years and have never had a leader thatturns over as nicely as a furled leader.Great for nymphing. Once you get used to them, if you get them incolored tyingthread configuration, it eliminates the need for a strikeindicator. Also, in dimlight while dry fly fishing, or during one of those "fog like"trico hatches, it canhelp you hone your eyes in on the location of your fly. Thecolor of the threadleaders does NOT spooke the fish. I fish them in tiny crystalclear streams inMontana for wild fish that will bolt at the sight of a shadow... no trouble withthe furled leaders spooking them.Versitility. If you want a sinking leader, simply fish it fresh,and don't treat it withany kind of floatant. If you want a floating leader, sock alittle mucilin or flyfloatant to it and it will float better and higher in the waterthan any otherleader I've ever used.Durability. I have one on my 5'6" quad right now that has been onthere sinceAugust. It's about time to change it out, but not because ofany damage doneto it fishing, but because with so many people "test casting" myrods, it nowhas quite a few knots in it.Compared to braided mono leaders, you don't get the "spray" at theend of thecast that you will with braided leaders. If you want to try one, email Jim Cramer at jimc@monitor.net . He makesallof my furled leaders and in my opinion, just makes the best availble leaderon the market. Considering their durability, they are a much betterbargainthan any other style leader on the Market. I don't know where you'relocated but Jim lives in Nothern California somewhere... can't rememberforsure where, but a great guy to deal with and gives great service. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Brian D. Creek" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:23 PMSubject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! okay. i still don't understand furled leaders. would one of you nicegentlemen (or Bob, even) respond ON list? Thanks, brian----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:07 PMSubject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Thanks for all the great off list info. There seems to be something to this furled leader thing. I guess the fishing line companies don't want us to know about them because the profit margins must be much higher fortheextruded plastic high production leaders they market. Reminds me of how Anheuser Busch has duped the American beerdrinking public in to thinking that real beer is "Bud" because this type of beer iseasiest for them to produce in large quantities and enables them tomake the most money. Thanks again, Kyle from edriddle@mindspring.com Tue Feb 26 18:59:36 2002 g1R0xa812621 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:59:36 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16fsRO-0003HM-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:59:31 -0500 Subject: Braiding Mach. Went down to "Ye olde watering hole" late this afternoon and mentioned to abuddy about chances of locating an old braiding apparatus (I'm in textilecountry, Piedmont N.C.). He said he thought he knew where one or more might be stored, turns outtheowner (if such machine exists) is an uncle of a good friend. This may be ablind alley, but what if I come up with one or more of these things? How doI determine if it is suitable for making silk fly lines? How many ends (threads) make up a silk fly line? What denier (diameter) ofsilk is/was used? Is there a core, if so, what is used? What TPI (turnsper inch) does the silk strands have? Does the silk that I use for wrapsserve to make fly lines? I ain't looking to go into any mfg'ing., I didn't work my butt off for 40years to unretire...and I need to finish filing the grooves in my steelform, just thought I'd share this with y'all.Regards.Ed from BambooRods@aol.com Tue Feb 26 19:59:07 2002 g1R1x6817415 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:59:07 - for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:58:54 - Subject: Bamboo Data Base Program Help To anyone that might be able to help,Long story very short, I was using the Rodmakers Data Program (early version, 2.0) and went to the 3.0. I thought I simply needed to drag and drop the .tps files from one version to the other to update the 3.0 with all my info from the earlier version. I did this with windows explorer. Now I can see the files in explorer but they don't show up in either of the versions. Any hope or is all lost? TIA Doug Hall from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Tue Feb 26 20:04:04 2002 g1R242817739 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:04:02 -0600 Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:03:23 +0800 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:03:23 +0800 rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Braiding Mach. Hi Ed, ideally, the machine should have two counter-rotating banks of eightthreads; sixteen in all. Not sure about exact thread diameters. The taperis created by substituting threads of different diameters during thebraiding process. I've never heard of a silk fly line with a core but they mightexist. Reed Curry is the list guru on silk lines so he might know. Hope that helpsMike from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Tue Feb 26 20:31:52 2002 g1R2Vp822214 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:31:51 -0600 g1R2Vkr07165; Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Thanks to all who responded. Great. Another thing I 'need!';^) Brian Check out these sites for help and info on furled leaders. I love =them. Tight Lines, Richard FederationGuide/Fly Fishing Instructer/Costom Tier Another thing I 'need!';^) Brian ----- Original Message ----- BrooksideNC@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002= PMSubject: Check out these sites = leaders!! Check out= = Jig Tight Lines,RichardFederationGuide/Fly Fishing Instructer/Costom = from jojo@ipa.net Tue Feb 26 20:47:14 2002 g1R2lD824138 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:47:13 -0600 helo=default) id 16fu7a-0000AA-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:47:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! The fun just never ends. M-D Thanks to all who responded. Great. Another thing I 'need!';^) Brian ends. M-D Creek Another thing I 'need!';^) Brian from fquinchat@locl.net Tue Feb 26 20:53:20 2002 g1R2rJ825232 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:53:19 -0600 , Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! loop in the end of the leader? I find that the loop tends to close upmaking it very difficult to attach the new tippet. Other than that I likethe furled leader. I make mine 7.5' long. Does anyone use a two stagetippet like a 2' of 5X + 2' of 6X? Dennis Bertram -----Original Message----- ; RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Hi everyone, here is the copy of a mail I've sent to Mark Dyba about furledleaders. Guillermo Hello MarkIn few words a furled leader would be a tapered rope made out of mono ortying thread.When you have a closer look, you see it is made by two tapered halvestwisted agains each other, like a rope.The taper in these halves is given by the different amount of strands of the material you use for each section of the leader.Furled leaders have many advantages over other types of leaders.-They are almost memory free. When you have one of them in you hand youseetheir butt section has no memory wich will help you in transfering, withouta noticeable loss, the Energy from your line to the fly, therefore they areeasier to cast, improve presentation and are suitable even for nonexperimented casters. This "line Energy saving" property lets us use longertippets too.When you cast a mono leader, part of the casting Energy is lost by"fighting" its memory, wich may mean an imperfect fly turn over and poorpresentation.-By the nature of their construction, they strech more than any mono leader. Mono leaders strech between 5 to 8% of their length, furled leaders maystrech up to 15% of their length wich has advantages in two places:In the air, when you cast, if you shorten the loop and try to cast faster,they will strech and store Energy like a spring, then, when you do yourfinal cast, that Energy will be delivered to the fly. This will also allowyou to use longer tippets than usual without any risk of not turning overthe fly and it will help you to make better casts against the wind too.On the water, when you play a fish, the same happens, the leader streches,wich will protect light tippets meaning less fish being lost.-Furled leaders don't tend to collect water like braided leaders do.Braided leaders are hollow wich is nice for delicacy when they are dry, butwhen they get few times on the water, they hold water inside wich createsthat caracteristic spray.Furled leaders act almost like mono leaders in this matter.-They are good for many fishing situations but are specially good for dryflies.-If you use the tippet sizes recomended by the maker, they may lastseasons.-Their caracteristics can be changed varying the material, the strength, the number of strands, the lenght, etc. Mark, hope this clarifies a bit about furled leaders to you. Guillermo from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Tue Feb 26 21:02:52 2002 g1R32p826889 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:02:52 - by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:02:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Bamboo Data Base Program Help Doug: Call me at 423-288-7930 tomorrow (Wed. 2/27) 6:00-9:00pm EST, and I'llassist you with this. Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bambooflyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker----- Original Message ----- Subject: Bamboo Data Base Program Help To anyone that might be able to help,Long story very short, I was using the Rodmakers Data Program (earlyversion, 2.0) and went to the 3.0. I thought I simply needed to drag anddrop the .tps files from one version to the other to update the 3.0 with all my info from the earlier version. I did this with windows explorer. Now I can see the files in explorer but they don't show up in either of theversions. Any hope or is all lost? TIA Doug Hall from KyleDruey@aol.com Tue Feb 26 21:05:08 2002 g1R357827278 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:05:07 -0600 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:04:59 -0500 Subject: Now Server Fund was Check out these sites on furled leaders!! I think this brings up a good point. Being a new lister, the only thing that I would like to see different is for more folks to post responses to the list instead of off list. There is probably a lot of great off-list material that is never seen. If its a matter server resources being stretched thin then perhaps a server fund could be started. I am sure if the majority of the list kicks in a few bucks each we could have a dedicated server for the list with enough storage space for many years to come. Something to thinkabout... Thanks, Kyle In a message dated 02/26/2002 2:24:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, bdcbfr@chartermi.net writes: okay. i still don't understand furled leaders. would one of you nicegentlemen (or Bob, even) respond ON list?Thanks,brian----- Original Message -----From: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:07 PMSubject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!!Thanks for all the great off list info. There seems to be somethingtothis furled leader thing. I guess the fishing line companies don't want usto know about them because the profit margins must be much higher fortheextruded plastic high production leaders they market. Reminds me of how Anheuser Busch has duped the American beerdrinkingpublic in to thinking that real beer is "Bud" because this type of beer iseasiest for them to produce in large quantities and enables them to make the most money. Thanks again, Kyle ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:24:15 -0500Received: from proxy1-grandhaven0.chartermi.net (24.247.15.39.gha.mi. MAILRELAYINZA57-0226172408; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:24:08 -0500Received: from Creeks (24.247.61.101.gha.mi.chartermi.net g1QMO6r28236; Message-ID: From: "Brian D. Creek" References: Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:23:46 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX- Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 from Grnmtrds@aol.com Tue Feb 26 21:11:25 2002 g1R3BO828378 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:11:24 - for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:11:09 - Subject: re:happy camper All, Thanks for all the input on Tony Larsons web site Jim/Vermont from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Feb 26 21:30:45 2002 g1R3Ui800294 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:30:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Why I love my wife (Yes, it is rodmaking related) In a message dated 2/26/02 8:29:27 AM Central Standard Time, jojo@ipa.netwrites: Today we were shopping for groceries, I was pushing the cart and guardingher purse and passed another guy meekly following his wife around the store too. We were circulating in opposite directions. His wife handed him something to place in their cart. I made eye contact and said. "Yeah! I only drive the cart too!" He laughed and his wife looked at mine with that "look" that women get when discussing idiot spouses. both rolled their eyes and led off in opposite directions. He and I laughed and followed. Every time we passed from then on he and I laughed! The wives were getting annoyed I think! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Feb 26 21:34:03 2002 g1R3Y2800551 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:34:02 - Subject: Re: Chat in the Bamboo Room In a message dated 2/26/02 9:38:59 AM Central Standard Time,rmoon@ida.net writes: Hey! I was not saying that you shouldn't hold the "meeting" when you wish! honest! Ijsut said that I couldn't be there often! Sat nite works better notice sent out on the day of about "remember the chat room at 9 pmtonight!" or something? Alzheimers ya know! Although SWMBO says that Ihave always been that way! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from beadman@mac.com Tue Feb 26 21:43:37 2002 g1R3hb800960 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:43:37 - Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Definitely! And you'll soon find out that you keep maybe 1 leader out of 20 that you make...the rest you give away or "loan" someone - since the jig can be made from scrap wood, and the thread costs about $.50 per leader, it's one of the few flyfishing items I've found that is truly easier to make yourself...heck, the cost of the two stamps to mail a leader is more expensive! Claude At 9:31 PM -0500 , 2/26/02, Brian D. Creek wrote about Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!!Thanks to all who responded. Great. Another thing I 'need!';^) Brian ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! Check out these sites for help and info on furled leaders. I love them.Claude Freaner's Furled Leader Page Furled LeaderJig Tight Lines, Richard FederationGuide/Fly Fishing Instructer/Costom TierBrookside Guides Re: Check out these sites on furledleaders!! leader out of 20 that you make...the rest you give away or"loan" someone - since the jig can be made from scrap wood,and the thread costs about $.50 per leader, it's one of the fewflyfishing items I've found that is truly easier to makeyourself...heck, the cost of the two stamps to mail a leader is moreexpensive! Claude At 9:31 PM -0500 , 2/26/02, Brian D. Creek wrote about Re: Checkout these sites on furled leaders!! 'need!';^) Brian ----- Original Message -----From: BrooksideNC@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:21PMSubject: Check out these sites on furledleaders!! Check out these sites for help and info on furledleaders. I love them.Claude FurledLeader Jig Tight Lines, Richard FederationGuide/Fly Fishing Instructer/CostomTier from beadman@mac.com Tue Feb 26 21:43:38 2002 g1R3hb800962 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:43:37 - Subject: Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! At 9:52 PM -0500 , 2/26/02, Dennis Bertram wrote about Re: Check out these sites on furled leaders!! loop in the end of the leader? I find that the loop tends to close upmaking it very difficult to attach the new tippet. Other than that I likethe furled leader. I make mine 7.5' long. Does anyone use a two stagetippet like a 2' of 5X + 2' of 6X? Hi, Dennis. I don't use the little tiny loop at the end since it only contains three strands of thread. That would be come the weakest point in the leader and, if broken, would allow the entire furled leader to untwist and destroy itself. I tie a figure eight loop knot in the end, and connect mono and/or tippet using loop to loop connections. Some people prefer a perfection loop - I like the figure 8 because I think it is a slimmer knot and I've never had one slip or break at the knot. As to the "two stage tippet", the furled leader ends up as about a 1X or 2X (depending on thread used) leader butt, so I add a 12-15 inch piece of 3X to the small end of the furled leader, and then can add a 24 inch piece of 5X tippet to that. For some of our small mountain brook trout fishing, I use 8/0 thread, put a 15 inch piece of 3X on the leader butt, a 15 inch piece of 5X on to that, and then a 24 inch piece of 7X tippet. Personal preference only - I suspect the furled leader would do fine going from the furled butt to a short piece of 4X and then a 6X tippet, also, if that's what you like. Claude from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Feb 27 02:48:50 2002 g1R8mm807692 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:48:49 -0600 "'RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu'" Subject: RE: Braiding machine That does indeed look like the same kind of machine.The B style machine that makes shoe laces seems to be the most likely candidate but I wonder how a taper would be incorporated? Is it just a case of reducing the number of spools of thread at the right time do you think? Mike Roberts, do you have all those silk worms fat and ready yet??? [:-)] TY At 10:07 AM 2/26/02 -0800, Hayashida Darryl wrote: That machine looks like the geesons braiding machine.http://www.geesons.com/prod1c.htm#vertDarryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:15 AM 'RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu'Subject: RE: Braiding machine Sorry link is: http://www.cffcm.org/cmmt03.html--- Chris Wohlford wrote: It's a less than ideal photo but below is a link toabraiding machine at the Catskill Fly Fishing center. Regards,Chris --- "d.kennedy" wrote: Thanks to all for the interest.I certainly will post a report on what I have done, and the results.In order for it to be useful, I would need to gointo some considerabledetails of gear set up as this is what governs theresults.As soon as I can reproduce and control a taper Iwill burst into print.I am pretty sure the key to success will be tomechanise the process inorder to ensure a constant tension in the workingthreads, and to give areasonable chance of finishing one in this lifetime. Anyone interested in starting where I did shouldfind a book on Japanesebraiding, and look for instructions on an 8 or 16strand hollow braid. Usedifferent colored threads so you can see where youare up to in thebraiding sequence. Regards DGK __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! 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[:-)] TY At 01:24 AM 2/27/02 +0900, Max wrote: Darryl et al, This might also help; Here are some URLs; http://www.northnet.org/ropeworks/text/r.html Rope maker's biblehttp://www.wctatel.net/web/equityrealty/ropeINDEX.htmlin this url, there is a brief sentence th