Subject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language There are some days I can grab a blank sight down it heat it, tweek it, bangall done, no swearing. Some days I look down it and have no idea of what totweek, heat it, tweek it anyway, and its worse than when I started.Recognizing those days is the key so on those days I plane, or split, makeferrules and hardware, just sit around and drink beer ... something thatdoesn't require every fiber of my patience.I have to give credit to those who do this full-time. There are times whenI don't have the required patience, and when I touch stuff on those days, 9out of 10 times I regret it. Its in those times that I have destroyedperfectly good rods/blanks. Tom ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language I scrape the blank and then straighten prior to sanding. First I take outthe twists from the butt to the tip, then I mark the butt end of the section with an 'A','B' & 'C' on adjacent flats. I then straighten them from thebutt to the tip in order. After that I let the section cool as I am doingthe usually other 3 sections. Following the cooling off period(usually theblank but sometimes....)I straighten the blank again to take out any kinksthat were reintroduced or simply popped back due to insufficient heat. Done! Sometimes 5 min, sometimes 45 but usually 10 or 20 min will do it. If asection becomes too trying I will put it down and go on to the next. Sincewithdrawing from society to become a rodmaker i find I use the more colorful invectives in the english language only rarely. At that only a 'bloody damn thing' once in a while.A.J. From: Robert Venneri Subject: Straightening techniquesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:46:43 -0800 Hey GuysDoes anybody have any nice Straightening techniques to help withstraightening the blanks after it is sanded. I was a sheet metal mech benching it flat but I am having a hard time getting the blanksstraight. Any help would be appreciated Best RegardsBob V _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.http://www.hotmail.com from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Mar 15 08:16:41 2002 g2FEGe829921 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:16:40 -0600 Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Bob,that's not entirely true. As I wrote just before I have a PVC tube with canvas covering and leather caps, the top one being adjusted by a leather belt and a leather sling sort of like a rifle sling. It looks very nice as anybody who'd seen it would agree judging by the comments it got. It's made several trips around the place, no dents and the canvas and leather get scuffed a bit and that adds to it's look IMHO in that Porche bashing sort of way. Tony At 03:11 AM 3/15/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Allen,Thanks for posting that... and my apologies to anyone on the list thatis offended by my response, but I just never understood why someone wouldmake a thousand dollar (or, in some cases much, much more) rod and put itina damn piece of plumbing pipe! I pay about 15 each for my rod tubes, whenit's all said and done, shipping and all, and they beat the hell out ofanything you can make out of PVC. Just can't imagine the reaction of oneofmy sports if I say "Oh yeah. Sending your $1400 rod out tomorrow. By theway, forget the aluminum tube, I can save Three Bucks by giving you a pieceof plastic pipe instead!!!" Might as well say, "Hey, your Mercedes is onthe way, but we're putting it in a Volkswagon body instead!" Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Allen Thramer" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:11 AMSubject: Re: Rod Tubes PVC rod tubes? Ah.., even for my admitedly utilitarian proclivities I think that this is going too far! Are we going to see PVC dual ring reel seats(hopefully with a tasteful rope knurl) next? The Cortland people are verynice to deal with, it is easy to set up a rodbuilder account, and they have a low minimum order of only $50. A 7ft 2pc tube with a nice domedaluminumcap and collar is only about $9 or 10 dollars and an 8ft tube is only$10.50. Knock the top off and cut to fit, doesn't even need glue!A.J. From: "William R. Fink" Subject: Rod TubesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:41:42 -0500 To The ListNothing could get ever me to deviate from traditional rod practicesincluding tubes and cases.By-the-way, does anyone have a means of removing the manufaturer'sunsightly marking from my PVC tomato stakes?Thanks. Bill _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from rcurry@ttlc.net Fri Mar 15 08:22:26 2002 g2FEMQ800834 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:22:26 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Rod Makers List Serve Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Barry, I always carry an old blanket in my car. This gets thrown over any fishing tackle that doesn't fit in the "trunk". Also, beware of buying vanity plates like "CANEROD".:) These are justan billboard to thieves. I knew one fellow with the license plate "DRYFLY" that had his car broken into twice, when others were not hit.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- > from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Fri Mar 15 08:28:06 2002 Received: from g2FES6801218 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN If I'mtraveling in my own car (station wagon), I have a flat plywood box withdividers and some foam padding. It holds 4 rods with reels attached, ready togo. ...................................................................... Frank Stetzer "...acheerful comrade is better stetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and aEmployed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke, Univ ofWisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. >Fromtedknott@cogeco.ca Fri Mar 15 08:49:47 2002 Received: from From: "Ted" "Rod Makers List Serve" References: Subject: Re: Rod Tubes 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I took a good look at one ofmy rod cases from a well-known "plastic" rod maker. The tube is thin-walledpipe of the sort used for central vacumn systems, covered with fabric insideand out. > from dnorl@qwest.net Fri Mar 15 08:53:43 2002 Received: from g2FErg802881 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 Mar 2002 12:20:06 -0000 Received: frommplsdslgw11poold195.mpls.uswest.net (HELO computer) (63.228.47.195) by Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:21:25 -0600 Message-ID:From: "Dave Norling" 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message printable Check out the rod cases made by Lisa Bardole. A small cottageindustry = in Libby Montana. PVC tube covered with cordura and trimmedwith = leather. Cloth covered interior has separate compartments for therod = sections. Has leather reel cases to match.I'll send a picture off list. =Check out www.aladysangle.com prices are right. No Finacial interest etc. printable Check out the rod cases made by Lisa = g2FEuW803168 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 Mar 2002 14:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ida.net) 07:56:33 -0700 From: "Ralph W. Moon" X-Mailer: Mozilla Dennishigham@cs.com CC: caneman@clnk.com,RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: national gathering References: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Dennis I call those myHolstein Rods. I find that if they are painted with india ink then varnished,they are a real conversation piece. Ralph Dennishigham@cs.com wrote: Bob, Aukland for 4 hours were you?????? *S* Not me:-} I'm on vacation.Last week I split out two rods, node spaced,trimmed to length and did about 100 nodes and popped them in the oven.Flipped end for end half way thru and pulled them out to find the middle ofeach section a beautiful milk choclate brown. Unfortunately they wereblonderods....now they're a bunch of burned up kindling waiting for the next fire.Bad time for my oven strip heaters to go bad. I think I may have inventedsome new cuss words, good thing no one else was home...I did find the doghiding under the bed though :-} Dennis --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from canazon@mindspring.com Fri Mar 15 09:43:42 2002 g2FFhf805448 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:43:41 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16ltrf-0005eK-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:43:32 -0500 Subject: taper database list,i just downloaded the taper database program. my emails to joe byrd =were returned as undeliverable. has anyone else had this problem? joe, =if you're out there, beam me up.mike list, database program. my emails to joe byrd were returned as undeliverable. = anyone else had this problem? joe, if you're out there, beam me =up. mike from saltwein@worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 15 10:09:56 2002 g2FG9u809997 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:09:56 -0600 ;Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:09:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Ok Bob, tell us how you really feel.----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Allen,Thanks for posting that... and my apologies to anyone on the list thatis offended by my response, but I just never understood why someonewouldmake a thousand dollar (or, in some cases much, much more) rod and put it in a damn piece of plumbing pipe! I pay about 15 each for my rod tubes, whenit's all said and done, shipping and all, and they beat the hell out ofanything you can make out of PVC. Just can't imagine the reaction of one of my sports if I say "Oh yeah. Sending your $1400 rod out tomorrow. Bytheway, forget the aluminum tube, I can save Three Bucks by giving you a piece of plastic pipe instead!!!" Might as well say, "Hey, your Mercedes is onthe way, but we're putting it in a Volkswagon body instead!" Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Allen Thramer" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:11 AMSubject: Re: Rod Tubes PVC rod tubes? Ah.., even for my admitedly utilitarian proclivities I think that this is going too far! Are we going to see PVC dual ring reel seats(hopefully with a tasteful rope knurl) next? The Cortland people are very nice to deal with, it is easy to set up a rodbuilder account, and they have a low minimum order of only $50. A 7ft 2pc tube with a nice domed aluminum cap and collar is only about $9 or 10 dollars and an 8ft tube is only$10.50. Knock the top off and cut to fit, doesn't even need glue!A.J. From: "William R. Fink" Subject: Rod TubesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:41:42 -0500 To The ListNothing could get ever me to deviate from traditional rod practicesincluding tubes and cases.By-the-way, does anyone have a means of removing the manufaturer'sunsightly marking from my PVC tomato stakes?Thanks. Bill _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from rsgould@cmc.net Fri Mar 15 10:12:44 2002 g2FGCh810761 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:12:44 - Subject: Re: national gathering Info from Ralph Moon - please note it's only the rod building (a class of 8)that starts Monday as I understand it.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: national gathering RayReally ? Monday ? all the adds say the 8th ? Where didyou get that info ?TIA--- Ray Gould wrote: Starts Monday Aug 5 with rod building.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Darin J Law" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:57 PMSubject: national gathering When is the gathering in Livingston? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Fri Mar 15 10:20:37 2002 g2FGKa812680 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:20:36 -0600 pri.pacificare.com 2002 16:24:48 UT (Tumbleweed ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:19:59 -0800 Subject: RE: Rod Tubes Rod storage - I make a lot more rods than I have tubes for. Pvc is great forsomething to put the rods in and when I toss them in the closet. A markingpen to label what's inside and I don't have to open a dozen tubes loking fora rod.One of my favorite rods for small mountain streams (the kind that are miles from the nearest road) is a 5ft one piece. I made a pvc rod tube 5 feet longcut into three pieces and threaded. While hiking out and back I use the tubeas a hiking staff. When I get to the stream and start fishing I take thetube apart and stow it in my backpack. No 5 foot long tube clanking aroundwhile I try to fish. I have yet to see an aluminum tube I can do that with.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:23 AM Cc: Rod Makers List ServeSubject: Re: Rod Tubes Bob,that's not entirely true. As I wrote just before I have a PVC tube with canvas covering and leather caps, the top one being adjusted by a leather belt and a leather sling sort of like a rifle sling. It looks very nice as anybody who'd seen it would agree judging by the comments it got. It'smade several trips around the place, no dents and the canvas and leather get scuffed a bit and that adds to it's look IMHO in that Porche bashing sort of way. Tony At 03:11 AM 3/15/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Allen,Thanks for posting that... and my apologies to anyone on the list that is offended by my response, but I just never understood why someonewouldmake a thousand dollar (or, in some cases much, much more) rod and putit in a damn piece of plumbing pipe! I pay about 15 each for my rod tubes, when it's all said and done, shipping and all, and they beat the hell out ofanything you can make out of PVC. Just can't imagine the reaction of one of my sports if I say "Oh yeah. Sending your $1400 rod out tomorrow. By the way, forget the aluminum tube, I can save Three Bucks by giving you a piece of plastic pipe instead!!!" Might as well say, "Hey, your Mercedes is on the way, but we're putting it in a Volkswagon body instead!" Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Allen Thramer" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:11 AMSubject: Re: Rod Tubes PVC rod tubes? Ah.., even for my admitedly utilitarian proclivities I think that this is going too far! Are we going to see PVC dual ring reel seats (hopefully with a tasteful rope knurl) next? The Cortland people are very nice to deal with, it is easy to set up a rodbuilder account, and they have a low minimum order of only $50. A 7ft 2pc tube with a nice domed aluminum cap and collar is only about $9 or 10 dollars and an 8ft tube is only$10.50. Knock the top off and cut to fit, doesn't even need glue!A.J. From: "William R. Fink" Subject: Rod TubesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:41:42 -0500 To The ListNothing could get ever me to deviate from traditional rod practices including tubes and cases.By-the-way, does anyone have a means of removing themanufaturer'sunsightly marking from my PVC tomato stakes?Thanks. Bill _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from jvswan@earthlink.net Fri Mar 15 10:30:40 2002 g2FGUd815201 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:30:40 -0600 (216.160.236.98) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108Subject: Re: Straightening techniques I don't know if I have heard of this before, but if heat is the key tostraightening the blanks, has anyone tried hanging weights from one end ofthe blank and then heat setting the sticks after gluing? This, of course,would only work if your oven is of the vertical variety. But heating thestrips with some weight on the end might gently encourage the sets to leave.Heck, worked with the vertical blinds in my living room! I suppose it would be a great idea to do so during heat treating, but by thetime of glue up there will likely be another set or two. Will this add toomuch heat? Jason from dybam@oct.net Fri Mar 15 10:35:48 2002 g2FGZm816528 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:35:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Communications, Inc. I let the epon setup for 2 hours or so and then hang a 1/2 lb. weight fromthe butt end. I hang the rod in a 4" pvc tube with a 100 watt bulb at thebottom. The weight seems to help it straighten.Mark----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Bob,The very best way to ensure that your rods are straight is to use an epoxy glue. The epoxy will give you all the time you need to just about get therod perfect before the rod sets up. I use Epon because it's easy to use but Nyatex also will give you all the time you'll need to get the blankstraight. Actually Nyatex will give you even more time then the Eponalthough Epon will give you a couple of hours working time which should beplenty. With Epon you don't have to rebind or heat cure (some guys don't)and the straightening is easier then with Nyatex. I used Urac for the first dozen rods I made and it was pure hell. Since changing to Epon I feel like I died and went to heaven. As to the straightening of the blank, I use atoaster for heat and a 4 ft rule and my wrist watch for a sense of timing to straighten the blank. It's slightly slower but after ruining a blank with a heat gun I like the toaster much better. Cussin does help. Jim From: Robert Venneri Subject: Straightening techniquesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:46:43 -0800 Hey GuysDoes anybody have any nice Straightening techniques to help withstraightening the blanks after it is sanded. I was a sheet metal mech benching it flat but I am having a hard time getting the blanksstraight. Any help would be appreciated Best RegardsBob V _________________________________________________________________Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Fri Mar 15 10:40:17 2002 g2FGeG817746 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:40:16 -0600 Subject: RE: Rod Tubes Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools Cortland offers a tube extension. Peter -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Rod Tubes Rod storage - I make a lot more rods than I have tubes for. Pvc is great marking pen to label what's inside and I don't have to open a dozentubes loking for a rod. One of my favorite rods for small mountainstreams (the kind that are miles from the nearest road) is a 5ft onepiece. I made a pvc rod tube 5 feet long cut into three pieces andthreaded. While hiking out and back I use the tube as a hiking staff.When I get to the stream and start fishing I take the tube apart andstow it in my backpack. No 5 foot long tube clanking around while I tryto fish. I have yet to see an aluminum tube I can do that with. DarrylHayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:23 AM Cc: Rod Makers List ServeSubject: Re: Rod Tubes Bob,that's not entirely true. As I wrote just before I have a PVC tube withcanvas covering and leather caps, the top one being adjusted by a leather belt and a leather sling sort of like a rifle sling. It looks very nice as anybody who'd seen it would agree judging by the comments it got. It's made several trips around the place, no dents and the canvas and leather get scuffed a bit and that adds to it's look IMHO in that Porche bashing sort of way. Tony At 03:11 AM 3/15/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Allen,Thanks for posting that... and my apologies to anyone on the list that is offended by my response, but I just never understood why someone would make a thousand dollar (or, in some cases much, much more) rod and put it in a damn piece of plumbing pipe! I pay about 15 each for my rod tubes, when it's all said and done, shipping and all, and they beat the hell out of anything you can make out of PVC. Just can't imagine the reaction of one of my sports if I say "Oh yeah. Sending your $1400 rod out tomorrow. By the way, forget the aluminum tube, I can save Three Bucks by giving you a piece of plastic pipe instead!!!" Might as well say, "Hey, your Mercedes is on the way, but we're putting it in a Volkswagon body instead!" Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Allen Thramer" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:11 AMSubject: Re: Rod Tubes PVC rod tubes? Ah.., even for my admitedly utilitarian proclivities I think that this is going too far! Are we going to see PVC dual ring reel seats (hopefully with a tasteful rope knurl) next? The Cortland people are very nice to deal with, it is easy to set up a rodbuilder account, and they have a low minimum order of only $50. A 7ft 2pc tube with a nice domed aluminum cap and collar is only about $9 or 10 dollars and an 8ft tube is only $10.50. Knock the top off and cut to fit, doesn't even need glue! A.J. From: "William R. Fink" Subject: Rod TubesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:41:42 -0500 To The ListNothing could get ever me to deviate from traditional rod practices including tubes and cases.By-the-way, does anyone have a means of removing the manufaturer's unsightly marking from my PVC tomato stakes?Thanks. Bill _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ This electronic message transmission, including any attachments,contains information from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may beconfidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for theuse of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intendedrecipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use ofthe contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, pleasenotify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message anddestroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, includingattachments. from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Fri Mar 15 10:40:20 2002 g2FGeJ817763 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:40:19 -0600 pri.pacificare.com 2002 16:44:31 UT (Tumbleweed ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:39:46 -0800 Subject: RE: Straightening techniques & colorful language I use a clothes iron and my planing form. Open your planing form wide enoughso that the blank sits in it, rotate it flat by flat. It will be evidentwhere it needs to be straightened. The clothes iron provides heat (Iactually steam the blank) and a flat surface to press down on the blank.After you have done this for a few minutes your planing form heats up also,giving you even heat all around the blank. Some of the more stubborn bendsmight need a little reverse bending, but that is easy to do by putting yourfinger on the top of the bend and lifting the end of the blank (blank stillin the form of course).P.S. let your planing form sit for a while before trying to pick it up whenyou are done. It will be hot.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:16 AM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language There are some days I can grab a blank sight down it heat it, tweek it,bangall done, no swearing. Some days I look down it and have no idea of whattotweek, heat it, tweek it anyway, and its worse than when I started.Recognizing those days is the key so on those days I plane, or split, makeferrules and hardware, just sit around and drink beer ... something thatdoesn't require every fiber of my patience.I have to give credit to those who do this full-time. There are timeswhenI don't have the required patience, and when I touch stuff on those days,9out of 10 times I regret it. Its in those times that I have destroyedperfectly good rods/blanks. Tom ----- Original Message -----From: Allen Thramer Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:00 AMSubject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language I scrape the blank and then straighten prior to sanding. First I take out the twists from the butt to the tip, then I mark the butt end of the section with an 'A','B' & 'C' on adjacent flats. I then straighten them from thebutt to the tip in order. After that I let the section cool as I am doing the usually other 3 sections. Following the cooling off period(usually the blank but sometimes....)I straighten the blank again to take out any kinks that were reintroduced or simply popped back due to insufficient heat. Done! Sometimes 5 min, sometimes 45 but usually 10 or 20 min will do it. If asection becomes too trying I will put it down and go on to the next. Since withdrawing from society to become a rodmaker i find I use the more colorful invectives in the english language only rarely. At that only a 'bloody damn thing' once in a while.A.J. From: Robert Venneri Subject: Straightening techniquesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:46:43 -0800 Hey GuysDoes anybody have any nice Straightening techniques to help withstraightening the blanks after it is sanded. I was a sheet metal mech benching it flat but I am having a hard time getting the blanksstraight. Any help would be appreciated Best RegardsBob V _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.http://www.hotmail.com This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from baconrod@gsmrinc.com Fri Mar 15 10:49:52 2002 g2FGnp820261 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:49:51 -0600 0000 Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Rodmakers.The below method is my way of straightening rod sections. I use a wrappersimular to the Leonard wrapper. I take out all the twists and them put theglued blank inside a braided polypro sleeve, then I place the sleeve on astretching unit that holds the sleeve under 35# tention. The unit is placedin a oven and cured. After removing the sleeve and string I don't straightenagain.Best Hal. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Straightening techniques I don't know if I have heard of this before, but if heat is the key tostraightening the blanks, has anyone tried hanging weights from one end ofthe blank and then heat setting the sticks after gluing? This, of course,would only work if your oven is of the vertical variety. But heating thestrips with some weight on the end might gently encourage the sets to leave. Heck, worked with the vertical blinds in my living room! I suppose it would be a great idea to do so during heat treating, but by the time of glue up there will likely be another set or two. Will this add too much heat? Jason from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Fri Mar 15 11:01:22 2002 g2FH1L822905 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:01:22 -0600 pri.pacificare.com 2002 17:05:33 UT (Tumbleweed ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:00:49 -0800 Subject: RE: Straightening techniques & colorful language I forgot to mention this technique also makes it evident where your twistsare also. Those are taken out in the same manner as stubborn bends - heatitwith the clothes iron, put your finger on the end of the twist, pick up theend of the blank and twist in the reverse direction.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: RE: Straightening techniques & colorful language I use a clothes iron and my planing form. Open your planing form wideenoughso that the blank sits in it, rotate it flat by flat. It will be evidentwhere it needs to be straightened. The clothes iron provides heat (Iactually steam the blank) and a flat surface to press down on the blank.After you have done this for a few minutes your planing form heats upalso,giving you even heat all around the blank. Some of the more stubbornbendsmight need a little reverse bending, but that is easy to do by puttingyourfinger on the top of the bend and lifting the end of the blank (blankstillin the form of course).P.S. let your planing form sit for a while before trying to pick it upwhenyou are done. It will be hot.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:16 AM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language There are some days I can grab a blank sight down it heat it, tweek it,bangall done, no swearing. Some days I look down it and have no idea of what totweek, heat it, tweek it anyway, and its worse than when I started.Recognizing those days is the key so on those days I plane, or split, make ferrules and hardware, just sit around and drink beer ... something thatdoesn't require every fiber of my patience.I have to give credit to those who do this full-time. There are timeswhenI don't have the required patience, and when I touch stuff on those days, 9out of 10 times I regret it. Its in those times that I have destroyedperfectly good rods/blanks. Tom ----- Original Message -----From: Allen Thramer Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:00 AMSubject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language I scrape the blank and then straighten prior to sanding. First I take out the twists from the butt to the tip, then I mark the butt end of the section with an 'A','B' & 'C' on adjacent flats. I then straighten them from the butt to the tip in order. After that I let the section cool as I am doing the usually other 3 sections. Following the cooling off period(usually the blank but sometimes....)I straighten the blank again to take out any kinks that were reintroduced or simply popped back due to insufficient heat. Done! Sometimes 5 min, sometimes 45 but usually 10 or 20 min will do it. If a section becomes too trying I will put it down and go on to the next. Since withdrawing from society to become a rodmaker i find I use the more colorful invectives in the english language only rarely. At that only a 'bloody damn thing' once in a while.A.J. From: Robert Venneri Subject: Straightening techniquesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:46:43 -0800 Hey GuysDoes anybody have any nice Straightening techniques to help withstraightening the blanks after it is sanded. I was a sheet metal mech and benching it flat but I am having a hard time getting the blanksstraight. Any help would be appreciated Best RegardsBob V _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.http://www.hotmail.com This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of theindividual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient,be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contentsof this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notifythe sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. 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Please checkoutthe website for more information http://www. ida.net/users/rmoon Ralph Ray Gould wrote: Info from Ralph Moon - please note it's only the rod building (a class of 8)that starts Monday as I understand it.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Rex Tutor" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:10 PMSubject: Re: national gathering RayReally ? Monday ? all the adds say the 8th ? Where didyou get that info ?TIA--- Ray Gould wrote: Starts Monday Aug 5 with rod building.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Darin J Law" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:57 PMSubject: national gathering When is the gathering in Livingston? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from rmoon@ida.net Fri Mar 15 12:51:28 2002 g2FIpR817496 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:51:28 - 0000 dati@selway.umt.edu,RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: national gathering Sorry about that it is Thursday. Now even I am confused. Ralph "Ralph W. Moon" wrote: Ray is quite correcct. The bamboo rod building class is Monday, Tues andWednesday, and the conclave opeens to the public Tuesday. . Please checkoutthe website for more information http://www. ida.net/users/rmoon Ralph Ray Gould wrote: Info from Ralph Moon - please note it's only the rod building (a class of 8)that starts Monday as I understand it.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Rex Tutor" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:10 PMSubject: Re: national gathering RayReally ? Monday ? all the adds say the 8th ? Where didyou get that info ?TIA--- Ray Gould wrote: Starts Monday Aug 5 with rod building.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Darin J Law" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:57 PMSubject: national gathering When is the gathering in Livingston? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from caneman@clnk.com Fri Mar 15 13:43:50 2002 g2FJhn829229 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:43:49 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:41:30 -0600 Subject: On the road again! Well, jet lag is still pounding on me pretty hard, but I'm about to leave onthis email. For those of you that live there, or that have your laptopswith you and are checking email, I'll be at the Ramada Inn at about 5:30 or6:00 pm. I would greatly appreciate it if one of you could have a nice coldbeer waiting when I get there. Sitting in a car driving hard for 4 hours istough on my old knees and back (that's my sympathy ploy to get the beer)andit's a well known fact that barley and hops mixed with other fine grains,will ease the pain of arthritis! (result of mulitple Moisture AbsorptionStudies done by myself, M-D, Mike Biondo, Dennis H., the Preacher and manyothers at the SRG2001 and continued by me and the attendees of the RealSRG2002 in NZ last week) *S* See you all there later, Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from ttalsma@macatawa.org Fri Mar 15 13:49:14 2002 g2FJnE800620 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:49:14 -0600 id ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:41:56 -0500 id F563CM6S; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:41:54 -0500 Subject: Reel seat insert blanks What size do most of you leave your blanks before you turn them for reelseats? I've gotten some scrap lumber from work and I'm wondering whatsize to cut them down to before turning. Also, does anyone know if Mahogany is appropriate for reel seats? Thanks a lot.-- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from bob@downandacross.com Fri Mar 15 15:18:54 2002 Received: from g2FLIr823350 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 Cc: ,, "Rod Makers List Serve"Subject: RE: Rod Tubes Date: Fri, 15 Mar2002 16:18:29 -0500 Message-ID: Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Reed: That brings up asituation that I remember from my guitar shop days. I asked the owner if hehad any of the old bumper stickers that I had seen around the shop. He saidhe would only give me one if I promised not to put it on my car. I said. "Why?"He said, "Why don't I make up some stickers that say breal into my car andsteal my guitars!" Needless to say, I put the sticker on a case I had. Bestregards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Reed Curry Sent: Friday, March ajthramer@hotmail.com; Rod Makers List Serve Subject: Re: Rod TubesBarry, I always carry an old blanket in my car. This gets thrown over anyfishing tackle that doesn't fit in the "trunk". Also, beware of buying vanityplates like "CANEROD".:) These are just an billboard to thieves. I knew onefellow with the license plate "DRYFLY" that had his car broken into twice,when others were not hit. Best regards, Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- > from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Fri Mar 1516:19:19 2002 Received: from proxy1-grandhaven0.chartermi.net Subject: Fw: Fishing Trip Date: Fri, 15 Mar MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 bdcbfr@chartermi.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Subject: Fishing Trip Four married guys go fishing. After an hour, the following conversation took place: First guy: "You have no idea what I had to do to be able to come out fishing this weekend. I had to promise my wife that I will paint every room in the house next weekend." Second guy: "That is nothing, I had to promisemy wife that I will build her a new deck for the pool." Third guy: "Man, you both have it easy! I had to promise my wife that I will remodel the kitchen not said a word. So they asked him. "You haven't said anything about whatyou had to do to be able to come fishing this weekend. What's the deal?"Fourth guy: "I just set my alarm for 5:30 am. When it went off, I shut offmy alarm, gave the wife a nudge and said, "Fishing or Sex" and she said,"Wear a sweater." from channer@frontier.net Fri Mar 15 17:56:55 2002 g2FNus804461 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:56:54 -0600 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:56:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Jason;Yep, been there, done that , didn't help a bit. Hal's sleeve over thesection might be the secret, it has never made any sense to me at allwhy a rod held perfectly straight(checked with my 4'level, not deadstraight, but absolutely plumb,too!) would come out with bends and kinksin it. Possibly hanging from the binding thread doesn't allow the stripsto slip past each other to get stragiht and the sleeve does. I may haveto pick up some hollow braided rope and give it a try.john Jason Swan wrote: I don't know if I have heard of this before, but if heat is the key tostraightening the blanks, has anyone tried hanging weights from one end ofthe blank and then heat setting the sticks after gluing? This, of course,would only work if your oven is of the vertical variety. But heating thestrips with some weight on the end might gently encourage the sets toleave.Heck, worked with the vertical blinds in my living room! I suppose it would be a great idea to do so during heat treating, but by thetime of glue up there will likely be another set or two. Will this add toomuch heat? Jason from beadman@mac.com Fri Mar 15 18:39:33 2002 g2G0dW813019 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:39:32 -0600 2002)) Subject: Re: Straightening techniques At 4:57 PM -0700 , 3/15/02, channer wrote about Re: Straighteningtechniques Jason;Yep, been there, done that , didn't help a bit. Hal's sleeve over thesection might be the secret, it has never made any sense to me at allwhy a rod held perfectly straight(checked with my 4'level, not deadstraight, but absolutely plumb,too!) would come out with bends and kinksin it. Possibly hanging from the binding thread doesn't allow the stripsto slip past each other to get stragiht and the sleeve does. I may haveto pick up some hollow braided rope and give it a try. Could the hollow sleeve as previously described take the place of binding the strips together? Say, place the strips together, put a couple of rubber bands on to hold them together while slipping them into the sleeve, and then stretch the sleeve to hold them together while the glue dries? Would there be enough pressure on the strips that way - somehow, it seems doubtful to me... Claude from jteft@frontiernet.net Fri Mar 15 18:52:33 2002 g2G0qX815718 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:52:33 -0600 0000 Subject: Stress Curves In my travels I picked up a copy of Ray Goulds book. Drove from near =Rochester, NY bought the book in Titusville, Fl., read it during my =travels. I now have a better understanding of stress courves and how to = Next step is to replenish my supply of single malt and take my favorite =3, 4, 5 wts and see if I can duplicate them in slow, med and fast =actions in my spare time.Found Rays book to contain just enough information for the neophyte such =as I and would recommend everyone have a copy. I have read Maurer's, =Cattanaches, Howell and The Carmichael/Garrison they all have their =place and I use parts of them all.Jim T In my travels I picked up a copy of Ray Goulds book. = from near Rochester, NY bought the book in Titusville, Fl., read it = interpret them. Next step is to replenish my supply of single malt = and fast actions in my spare time.Found Rays book to contain just enough information = neophyte such as I and would recommend everyone have a copy. I have read = their place and I use parts of them all.Jim T from Lazybee45@aol.com Fri Mar 15 19:41:16 2002 g2G1fF825282 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:41:15 -0600 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:40:53 -0500 Subject: PVC rod tube Okey doke. idid an experiment. Measured my "basic" old rod, a 2 piece, 6 wt, 9 ft. (plastic rod naturally!) I had no rod tube for it and even though it is very old and not used much. I wanted to see what a PVC tube would cost. So here it goes. 5 ft of 1.5 inch PVC @ .50 per foot or $2.50. Two caps, @ .79 each, a total of $4.08. I bet it would ship even by UPS with no damage! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from rvenneri@ulster.net Fri Mar 15 19:50:01 2002 g2G1o0827098 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:50:00 -0600 0500 Organization: Venneri's Custom Components Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Harold Bacon wrote: Rodmakers.The below method is my way of straightening rod sections. I use a wrappersimular to the Leonard wrapper. I take out all the twists and them put theglued blank inside a braided polypro sleeve, then I place the sleeve on astretching unit that holds the sleeve under 35# tention. The unit is placedin a oven and cured. After removing the sleeve and string I don't straightenagain.Best Hal. ----- Original Message -----From: "Jason Swan" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:30 AMSubject: Re: Straightening techniques I don't know if I have heard of this before, but if heat is the key tostraightening the blanks, has anyone tried hanging weights from one endofthe blank and then heat setting the sticks after gluing? This, of course,would only work if your oven is of the vertical variety. But heating thestrips with some weight on the end might gently encourage the sets to leave. Heck, worked with the vertical blinds in my living room! I suppose it would be a great idea to do so during heat treating, but by the time of glue up there will likely be another set or two. Will this add too much heat? Jason Harold,Where do you get the tube and what type of stretching devise are youtalking about. Best regardsBob V from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Mar 15 20:52:06 2002 g2G2q5809167 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:52:05 -0600 (authenticated) Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:51:52 -0800 Subject: Re: PVC rod tube Mark, Sound just right to me. Graphite rods deserve nice PVC tubes. Sorry, couldn't resist.Harry Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: Okey doke. idid an experiment. Measured my "basic" old rod, a 2 piece, 6wt,9 ft. (plastic rod naturally!) 5 ft of 1.5 inch PVC @ .50 per foot or $2.50. Twocaps, @ .79 each, a total of $4.08. -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Fri Mar 15 21:09:58 2002 g2G39v812747 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:09:57 -0600 Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:09:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Reel seat insert blanks FILETIME=[0A2C5F60:01C1CC98] Todd, most rodmaking suppliers sell one-inch blanks. This gives you enoughmaterial to turn down to .720 for a standard and .650 for a smaller seat. A3/4 inch pen blank is plenty for a .650 reel seat. You could possibly get a.720 from a 3/4 inch pen blank, but it would have to be perfectly centeredto start with, and it would leave almost no material for sanding. I think that mahoghany would be a great wood to try. If it holds togetherwhile turning, is reasonably hard, and looks good, it probably doesn'tmatter what wood you use. Still, I am surprised by the choices made by someof the classic makers. I have always wondered why Leonard used butternutandPayne used Spanish cedar. There has to be a story there. Jeff Schaeffer from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Fri Mar 15 21:13:38 2002 g2G3Db813600 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:13:37 -0600 Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:13:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Off topic- fly pattern question FILETIME=[8D60C830:01C1CC98] Several months ago one of the major fly fishing magazines had an articleabout a saltwater shrimp pattern tied with Aunt Lydia's craft yarn anddubbing. Does anyone remember the magazine and issue? I would love to getthe pattern itself, but the reference would help. I can not remember exactlywhere and when I saw it. Have a trip coming up, and think that a couple of them would come in handy. Thanks, Jeff Schaeffer from Troutgetter@aol.com Fri Mar 15 21:20:37 2002 g2G3Ka815118 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:20:36 -0600 Subject: Re: National Gathering Wayne and Gentlemen,After reading this post, I was greatly disturbed! At last, the true motive America's greatest rodmakers into one, small area and then ... strike!I have taken it upon myself to notify Rumsfeld et al. the impending gathering and have been assured that, at a minimum, security on the same level as the Salt Lake games would be immediately supplied. His good bye statement onthe telephone was "All loyal American bamboo guys should attend the gathering.If you cannot attend the gathering, you MUST go fish at your local stream. If you do not, then the terrorists have (...sniffle...) won!"Mike In a message dated 3/14/2002 11:33:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, wkifer@harborside.com writes: Gentlemen, This is a must do!!! The FFF conclave, while not exactly centrally located, would be an ideal time and place to hold it. The Livingston Chamber of Commerce would do just about anything to attract that many people, along with their dollars. The top flyfishers, flytiers and rodmakers all in one place at the same time. Kind of boggles the mind don't it? What anenormous knowledge pool. Think of the networking opportunities. Great things could come of this. I, for one, give it a hearty thumbs up!! Wayne Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ Wayne andGentlemen,After reading this post, I was greatly disturbed! At last, the true motive forthe terrorist attacks has become plainly evident. It obviously is to herdAmerica's greatest rodmakers into one, small area and then ... strike!I have taken it upon myself to notify Rumsfeld et al. the impending gatheringand have been assured that, at a minimum, security on the same level as theSalt Lake games would be immediately supplied. His good bye statement onthe telephone was "All loyal American bamboo guys should attend thegathering. If you cannot attend the gathering, you MUST go fish at your localstream. If you do not, then the terrorists have (...sniffle...) won!"Mike In a message dated 3/14/2002 11:33:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,wkifer@harborside.com writes: Gentlemen, This is a must do!!! The FFF conclave, while not exactly centrally located, would be an ideal time and place to hold it. The Livingston Chamber of Commerce would do just about anything to attract that many people, along with their dollars. The top flyfishers, flytiers and rodmakers all in one place at the same time. Kind of boggles the mind don't it? What an enormous knowledge pool. Think of the networking opportunities. Great things could come of this. I, for one, give it a hearty thumbs up!! Wayne Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Mar 15 21:43:16 2002 g2G3hF819706 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:43:15 -0600 (authenticated) Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:43:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Reel seat insert blanks Jeff, My guess is that those woods are light, stable, and easily available tothose who used them extensively. They weren't nearly so concerned asmany of usare about things looking exotic. Harry Jeff Schaeffer wrote: Still, I am surprised by the choices made by some of the classic makers. Ihave always wondered why Leonard used butternut and Payne used Spanishcedar.There has to be a story there. -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from LambersonW@missouri.edu Fri Mar 15 22:56:50 2002 g2G4un803919 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:56:49 -0600 content-class: urn:content-classes:messageSubject: RE: Reel seat insert blanks Thread-Topic: Reel seat insert blanksThread-Index: AcHMmCNJ55ZxcfNHSqS3ap9khzPeTAAHsncU ,"Rodmakers List " g2G4un803922 As Harry says both of those woods are light. A friend recently brought mea handful of osage blanks and asked that I make a reel seat from them toreplace my usual cork. We weighed the wood and also a cork insert. Theinsert from osage weighed .8 oz. compared to the .1 oz. for cork. Bill Lamberson -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Reel seat insert blanks Todd, most rodmaking suppliers sell one-inch blanks. This gives you enoughmaterial to turn down to .720 for a standard and .650 for a smallerseat. A3/4 inch pen blank is plenty for a .650 reel seat. You could possiblyget a.720 from a 3/4 inch pen blank, but it would have to be perfectlycenteredto start with, and it would leave almost no material for sanding. I think that mahoghany would be a great wood to try. If it holdstogetherwhile turning, is reasonably hard, and looks good, it probably doesn'tmatter what wood you use. Still, I am surprised by the choices made bysomeof the classic makers. I have always wondered why Leonard used butternutandPayne used Spanish cedar. There has to be a story there. Jeff Schaeffer from iank@ts.co.nz Fri Mar 15 23:40:02 2002 g2G5e0811878 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:40:00 -0600 by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2G5oWI29456 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:50:32+1300 using -f by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2G5oW129452; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:50:32 +1300 using -f Subject: Fw: real southern gathering ------------- Forwarded message follows ------------- This is a somewhat belated report on the real southern gathering .Unfortunately working to try to keep kids in a manner which they wouldlike to become accustomed has delayed this update. It was a greatgathering, lots learnt and lots of fun ( but not many fish caught) We started on Friday night with a BBQ . Attendees were Jerry and DianeMadigan, Bob Nunley, Bob Milardo, and Harold and Eileen Demarest fromthe USA, Danny Twang from Norway, Michael Roberts from Perth , DavidKennedy from Auckland, Ian and Nova Kearney , Hombre the dog ( whomanaged a year's dose of patting and secret feeding of nibbles ), andSam Kearney on occasions . On Saturday morning we kicked off with a talk from Harold on thehistory of cane and cane imports. Fascinating history from a person whohas done it all. This was followed by a demonstration by Bob N onsplitting, those big hands sure make it look easy, and those who triedit decided it was! .Ian then showed how to use "Marty's binder", which cost all of 50 centsto make and produces straight sections. Bob N is about to make one whenhe gets home , but in the best rodmaker tradition much of the discussionwas about adding drives for even feed and distance feed points ie tryingto make a simple tool more complex. There was then some rod casting andDanny's Norwegian #7 hollow butt rod took the fancy of most, it is anicer rod then the Dickerson guide special in my opinion. After lunch Ian showed some of his rods and the development of rodsover the years. Starting with a 1862 Farlow rod, a Fosters rod withexternal metal binding for strength, some rods from the 1900's includinga steel centered rod with 760 intermediate bindings, and a selection ofBritish rods through the 1900's. Some of the American were surprised atthe quality of those rods.Jerry then showed us how to use decals to achieve lovely writing onrods. This seemed a great process for some of the attendees whosehandwriting was not copyplate. David then showed the group the tapered silk line he was experimentingwith . David's wife is an expert at an ancient Japanese silk braidingtechnique and David showed us 2 meters of tapered line he had made in anevening while watching tv and following her instructions. He assured usit was very easy to do ! Mike may yet have a use for the 1000 odd frozensilk worms he has in his freezer, particularly as David told him how tounwind them! It was a nice soft line which seemed to transmit the loopso well. David is working further on finishes etc ( he is an industrialchemist with a great knowledge of glues) and has promised to keep thelist informed on progress. We finished early and headed out to the beach where Harold, Eileen andMike were staying for a waterside BBQ. Scallops and lamb went down wellwith the liquid assistance. After a meal fishing was on the schedule .Danny was forced to lead a group to his secret pool while Jerry triedsalt water fly fishing off the beach . Enough to see they were allequally successful and those who stayed sitting ( and sipping) on thelawn watching the sun set over the hills did not feel they had missedmuch. On Sunday morning, after some early morning fishing by some ( do notask what they caught), it was more casting, including a range of olderrods and some of the British rods. Bob N decided the steel centered 12'rod was definately a two handed rod , but Bob Milardo mastered it with afine display of spey casting. After lunch was a general chat session covering subjects likestraightening, finishes, making ferrules, rod boards etc. The sessionconcluded with a raffle of a rod binding holder donated by Russ atgolden witch . It was won by Mike Roberts who immediately donated it tothe host who had been eyeing it enviously for the last couple of days.Harold and Eileen had also donated three books which were sold with thefunds going to cover the costs. Harold and Eileen also brought in somebamboo which they donated for use by new rodmakers. A generouscontribution by these long term supporters of rodmaking. We concluded with a meal on the deck and lots of photos. Sam then foundwhat his role was , he had a lot of cameras to use for the group photobut Hombre decided that sitting or standing out in the sun was a sillything to do and went off to sit in the shade and missed some of thephotos. In all a great occasion in great company. Maybe again in March 2004 . Ian K -- Tasman Solutions Ltd. Real People in Cyber Space http://www.ts.co.nz from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Mar 16 00:59:03 2002 Received: from g2G6x1825812 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 2002 06:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) 0000 Message-Id:X-Sender:avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 KlingB@health.missouri.edu From: Tony Young Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Cc: caneman@clnk.com, ajthramer@hotmail.com, Rod References: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Too bad we didn't have a bigenough blanket while crossing the US/Can border that day. I could have satthere with it over my head [:-)] Tony At 09:26 AM 3/15/02 -0500, ReedCurry wrote: Barry,I always carry an old blanket in my car. This gets thrown over any fishing tackle that doesn't fit in the "trunk".Also, beware of buying vanity plates like "CANEROD".:) These are just an billboard to thieves. I knew one fellow with the license plate "DRYFLY" that had his car broken into twice, when others were not hit.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Mar 16 01:05:29 2002 g2G75R827150 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:05:28 - "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: Re: Fw: Fishing Trip There is a common T shirt out here with a slogan "Feed a man and he'll be hungry tomorrow, teach a man to fish and he'll be away every weekend" Tony At 05:18 PM 3/15/02 -0500, Brian D. Creek wrote: Subject: Fishing Trip Four married guys go fishing. After an hour, the following conversation took place: First guy: "You have no idea what I had to do to be able to come out fishing this weekend. I had to promise my wife that I will paint every room in the house next weekend." Second guy: "That is nothing, I had topromisemy wife that I will build her a new deck for the pool." Third guy: "Man, you both have it easy! I had to promise my wife that I will remodel the kitchen hasnot said a word. So they asked him. "You haven't said anything aboutwhatyou had to do to be able to come fishing this weekend. What's the deal?"Fourth guy: "I just set my alarm for 5:30 am. When it went off, I shut offmy alarm, gave the wife a nudge and said, "Fishing or Sex" and she said,"Wear a sweater." /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Mar 16 01:08:17 2002 g2G78F827815 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:08:15 -0600 Subject: Re: PVC rod tube I can see why everybody wanting to use Al tubes do but I can't be convinced practical people like Dickerson and others would have ignored PVC pipes if they were available in their day.Time for a new tradition in rod tubes I say. TY At 08:40 PM 3/15/02 -0500, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: Okey doke. idid an experiment. Measured my "basic" old rod, a 2 piece, 6wt, 9 ft. (plastic rod naturally!) I had no rod tube for it and even thoughit is very old and not used much. I wanted to see what a PVC tube wouldcost. So here it goes. 5 ft of 1.5 inch PVC @ .50 per foot or $2.50. Twocaps, @ .79 each, a total of $4.08. I bet it would ship even by UPS with nodamage! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from ajthramer@hotmail.com Sat Mar 16 02:47:51 2002 g2G8lo814339 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:47:50 - Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:47:37 -0800 Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:47:37 GMT rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Reel seat insert blanks FILETIME=[39863720:01C1CCC7] Honduran mahogany is great to work with, fairly light, it turns great and finished beautifuly. Nice straight grained clear wood is a snap to come up with too. As for Spanish cedar and butternut, they are both lighter than cork, offer an improved reel holding surface, turn easily, finish well and are readily available in straight grained easily turned stock. Butternut has a few problems of its own though, it does not route very clean and it is prone to worm holes. Spanish cedar just gives me an overwhelming desire for a good cigar. It goes back to what the original makers thought they were making, I think they thought they were making fishing rods. Those rods were sold by weight as an important part of their advertising , much as mountain bikes are today,it has only been recently that builders think they need to use some unborn African goat horn reelseat filler. Not that pretty wood isn't a delight to look at but we have arrived a different paradigm than what was in days past.A.J. From: "Jeff Schaeffer" Subject: Re: Reel seat insert blanksDate: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:16:25 -0500 Todd, most rodmaking suppliers sell one-inch blanks. This gives you enoughmaterial to turn down to .720 for a standard and .650 for a smaller seat. A3/4 inch pen blank is plenty for a .650 reel seat. You could possibly get a.720 from a 3/4 inch pen blank, but it would have to be perfectly centeredto start with, and it would leave almost no material for sanding. I think that mahoghany would be a great wood to try. If it holds togetherwhile turning, is reasonably hard, and looks good, it probably doesn'tmatter what wood you use. Still, I am surprised by the choices made bysomeof the classic makers. I have always wondered why Leonard used butternut andPayne used Spanish cedar. There has to be a story there. Jeff Schaeffer _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 06:21:08 2002 g2GCL7819185 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:21:07 -0600 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Last nights casting tournament Well guys,I am afraid I let down the bamboo lifestyle again lastnight. I finished 3rd after the second round but lacked a high enoughtotal to make the finals.I cast the Dickerson 6611 in the first round and myPHY Midge in the second round. Both rods cast flawlessly laying the lineout perfectly straight across the targets, unfortunately I had a problemjudging the distance from the elevated casting platform.Ironically, and to the surprise of the graphitenay-sayers I overshot most of the targets by about 6". It was kind offunny because one guy asked me if I wanted to borrow his 9' Fenwick, hesaid "he didn't think I'd be able to reach the far targets with thatlittle rod". The expression on his face as I easily over shot the endtarget was enough of a trophy for me!Got the usual crowd of on lookers, asking "how old the rodwas?" and "isn't it terribly slow?". Most people were pleasantlysurprised when I let them wiggle the rods and explained that you canbuild slow rods or fast rods.Oh by the way I did find one advantage to using the shortrods.... I didn't get hooked in the rafters on the back cast, unlikebuddy with the 9' Fenwick ;^) Shawn from canazon@mindspring.com Sat Mar 16 08:36:46 2002 g2GEak815259 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:36:46 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16mFIX-00083m-00; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:36:41 -0500 Subject: Re: real southern gathering Sam then found what his role was , he had a lot of cameras to use for thegroup photo but Hombre decided that sitting or standing out in the sun In all a great occasion in great company. Maybe again in March 2004 . Ian K ian,can we get pictures? i mean, pictures of hombre, the dog!hey, it sounds like a great time was had by all. hopefully a few more of uscan make it in 2004.i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at thereal southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Mar 16 08:46:38 2002 g2GEka817307 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:46:37 - Subject: Re: real southern gathering You don't mean there was an excess of "toilet talk" do you? [;-)] TY can we get pictures? i mean, pictures of hombre, the dog! hey, it sounds like a great time was had by all. hopefully a few more of uscan make it in 2004.i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at thereal southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 11:44:11 2002 g2GHiA821320 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:44:10 - Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:45:56 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Rod Tubes John,just don't accidentally install that piece of PVC with your rod in it insomeone's plumbing! Imagine the happy plumber that got to clean out thatcloggeddrain! Shawnn ;^) channer wrote: Bob;Who ever said anything about puting someone else's rod in a pvctube???????I put my own rods in pvc because I can usually get what Ineed laying around the job site after the plumbers are done. Alsobecause my own rods live in my work truck and p0vc tubes just blend inwith the rest of the crap. I don't think I could get away with pvc forthe customers, so theirs go in REC tubes, which I most likely pay waytoo much for.john Bob Nunley wrote: Allen,Thanks for posting that... and my apologies to anyone on the list thatis offended by my response, but I just never understood why someonewouldmake a thousand dollar (or, in some cases much, much more) rod and putit ina damn piece of plumbing pipe! I pay about 15 each for my rod tubes,whenit's all said and done, shipping and all, and they beat the hell out ofanything you can make out of PVC. Just can't imagine the reaction ofone ofmy sports if I say "Oh yeah. Sending your $1400 rod out tomorrow. Bytheway, forget the aluminum tube, I can save Three Bucks by giving you apieceof plastic pipe instead!!!" Might as well say, "Hey, your Mercedes is onthe way, but we're putting it in a Volkswagon body instead!" Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Allen Thramer" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:11 AMSubject: Re: Rod Tubes PVC rod tubes? Ah.., even for my admitedly utilitarian proclivities I think that this is going too far! Are we going to see PVC dual ring reel seats(hopefully with a tasteful rope knurl) next? The Cortland people areverynice to deal with, it is easy to set up a rodbuilder account, and they have a low minimum order of only $50. A 7ft 2pc tube with a nice domedaluminumcap and collar is only about $9 or 10 dollars and an 8ft tube is only$10.50. Knock the top off and cut to fit, doesn't even need glue!A.J. From: "William R. Fink" Subject: Rod TubesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:41:42 -0500 To The ListNothing could get ever me to deviate from traditional rod practicesincluding tubes and cases.By-the-way, does anyone have a means of removing themanufaturer'sunsightly marking from my PVC tomato stakes?Thanks. Bill _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 11:57:59 2002 g2GHvw824106 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:57:58 - Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:59:36 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods ajthramer@hotmail.com, Rod Makers List Serve Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Tony,you mean to tell me you snuck into Canada??? Hmmmm, I'll have tosendthose customs guys an more up to date photo of you, probably wouldn't hurttoslip them an extra $50 for that cavity search they promised. ;^)You should come further east on your Canadian trips! Beers betterhere! Shawn Tony Young wrote: Too bad we didn't have a big enough blanket while crossing the US/Canborder that day. I could have sat there with it over my head [:-)] Tony At 09:26 AM 3/15/02 -0500, Reed Curry wrote: Barry,I always carry an old blanket in my car. This gets thrown overany fishing tackle that doesn't fit in the "trunk".Also, beware of buying vanity plates like "CANEROD".:) These arejust an billboard to thieves. I knew one fellow with the license plate"DRYFLY" that had his car broken into twice, when others were not hit.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Sat Mar 16 12:32:06 2002 g2GIW5800804 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:32:05 - ,"Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Rod Tubes And the bacon!----- Original Message ----- ; "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Tony,you mean to tell me you snuck into Canada??? Hmmmm, I'll have to send those customs guys an more up to date photo of you, probably wouldn'thurt to slip them an extra $50 for that cavity search they promised. ;^)You should come further east on your Canadian trips! Beers better here! Shawn Tony Young wrote: Too bad we didn't have a big enough blanket while crossing the US/Canborder that day. I could have sat there with it over my head [:-)] Tony At 09:26 AM 3/15/02 -0500, Reed Curry wrote: Barry,I always carry an old blanket in my car. This gets thrown overany fishing tackle that doesn't fit in the "trunk".Also, beware of buying vanity plates like "CANEROD".:) These are just an billboard to thieves. I knew one fellow with the license plate"DRYFLY" that had his car broken into twice, when others were not hit.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sat Mar 16 13:25:22 2002 g2GJPL811314 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:25:21 - (authenticated) Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:25:14 -0800 Subject: Re: PVC rod tube Once again, No thanks. You know, this being a crotchety old fart who's set in his waysiskinda fun. Maybe I oughta do more of it. Naah,Harry Shawn Pineo wrote: REC even carries graphite and kevlar cases, a great accessory for thoseother rods. ;^) -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 13:26:12 2002 g2GJQB811588 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:26:11 -0600 Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:27:56 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Was Dimension increases, Now Experimentation --------------CC5CEFCBB43C24F7343D22CF My vote has to go with somewhere in Canada. Not only would it be easy $1 US = $1.60 Can and 1 Can beer (% wise) = 1.5 US beers thatmeans you are getting way more beer for the money!P.S. I will be organizing a Eastern Canada gathering if and when Ican get the military to leave in one place long enough to plan it andactually be in fishing season. Shawn ;^P Bob Nunley wrote: Slumming???? Only if you have never been to Griz country with Bob andBillie on the West Fork of Mill Creek!! Details only to those whocome to Livingston in August! *S* Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message -----From: Adam Vigil Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:40 PMSubject: Re: Was Dimension increases, Now ExperimentationHarry, I am sure the Baptist Church of Las Vegas would evenput you up for the weekend. The symposium in Montana soundslike a good place also. But when Montana calls meetings arethe last things on my mind. I mean give me a break Ralphlives on the Henry's Fork. When he goes to Montana it islike slumming. Adam ----- Original Message -----From: Harry BoydCc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:31 AMSubject: Re: Was Dimension increases, NowExperimentationAdam Vigil wrote: A national gathering? Sounds like we should meetwhere the rest of the U.S.A does when they wanteverybody to come and have an easy destinationpoint. LAS VEGAS! Adam, Vegas? Vegas? Gimme a break man! I know whyyou decided on Vegas... You don't want me toshow. 'fraid we might tie up, huh? (Tie up is agood suth'n term ...MD can explain it) You knowif we have it in Vegas, the good Rev' won't beable to attend. He'd lose his job. (not really) Tongue pressing firmly against my cheek, andstill lobbying for Ralph's symposium in Montana, Harry --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church --------------CC5CEFCBB43C24F7343D22CF My vote has to go with somewhere in Canada. Not only would it be easy forme to attend but keep this formula in mind..... 1Can beer (% wise) = 1.5 US beers that means you are getting way more beer if and when I can get the military to leave in one place long enough toplan it and actually be in fishing season. Shawn ;^PBob Nunley wrote: Slumming???? Only ifyou have never been to Griz country with Bob and Billie on the West Fork Custom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- From:AdamVigil Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:40PM Subject: Re: Was Dimension increases,Now Experimentation am sure the Baptist Church of Las Vegas would even put you up for the symposium in Montana sounds like a good place also. But when Montana callsmeetings are the last things on my mind. I mean give me a break Ralph on the Henry's Fork. When he goes to Montana it is like ----- Original Message ----- From:HarryBoyd Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:31AM Subject: Re: Was Dimension increases,Now Experimentation A nationalgathering?Sounds like we should meet where the rest of the U.S.A does when they want VEGAS! Adam, lobbying for Ralph's symposium in Montana, --Harry Boyd Bamboo Rods Our Church --------------CC5CEFCBB43C24F7343D22CF-- from cw@vanion.com Sat Mar 16 14:06:22 2002 g2GK6L819567 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:06:21 - for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:11:20 - Subject: Reelseat wood incerts I've been working with a gentleman, Clint McCormick, on obtaining and =working wood for inserts, and would like to reccomend him to the list. =He knows his stuff, and is VERY enthusiastic about wood. He also =suggested a stablizing process using superglue, and where to get it at a =very cost effective price. The address is his ebay store, and you can =email thru there. No financial interest, just a great contact. = I've been working with agentleman, = reccomend him to the list. He knows his stuff, and is VERY enthusiastic = wood. He also suggested a stablizing process using superglue, and where = it at a very cost effective price. The address is his ebay store, and = email thru there. No financial interest, just a great contact. http://www.ebaystores.co= from hartzell@easystreet.com Sat Mar 16 14:31:12 2002 g2GKVB824521 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:31:11 - g2GKUx527115; Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Claude,Ray Gould's book describes the tube method in some detail. He and JackByrd developed this technique of straightening and gluing some time ago.Ed Hartzell Claude Freaner wrote: At 4:57 PM -0700 , 3/15/02, channer wrote about Re: Straighteningtechniques Jason;Yep, been there, done that , didn't help a bit. Hal's sleeve over thesection might be the secret, it has never made any sense to me at allwhy a rod held perfectly straight(checked with my 4'level, not deadstraight, but absolutely plumb,too!) would come out with bends and kinksin it. Possibly hanging from the binding thread doesn't allow the stripsto slip past each other to get stragiht and the sleeve does. I may haveto pick up some hollow braided rope and give it a try. Could the hollow sleeve as previously described take the place ofbinding the strips together? Say, place the strips together, put acouple of rubber bands on to hold them together while slipping theminto the sleeve, and then stretch the sleeve to hold them togetherwhile the glue dries? Would there be enough pressure on the stripsthat way - somehow, it seems doubtful to me... Claude from jerryy@webtv.net Sat Mar 16 15:27:06 2002 g2GLR6805584 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:27:06 - by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:27:05 - 2111.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA10541; ETAtAhUAhfCsJi+AlVaSOiyJvJg0fa1VBr8CFHaUcB1slQ0+RZc6Wm/XAh53zY9z Subject: Kodak Fixer Question on mixing the Kodak fixer for bluing. Do you mix all thecrystals, and can you store it for use later or do you mix smallbatches? TIA Jerry Young from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Sat Mar 16 16:57:34 2002 g2GMvX821338 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:57:33 - Subject: Re: Kodak Fixer I've only used liquid rapid fixer. Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Kodak Fixer Question on mixing the Kodak fixer for bluing. Do you mix all thecrystals, and can you store it for use later or do you mix smallbatches? TIA Jerry Young from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Mar 16 17:24:10 2002 g2GNO9826218 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:24:09 - Subject: Signature rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple of different ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them with size, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one. Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ I was wondering how I have made up a code and I have just signed them with size, weight, my name Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ from Steve55merlin@aol.com Sat Mar 16 17:42:08 2002 g2GNg7829712 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:42:07 - for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:41:42 - MAILINID74-0316184142; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:41:42 -0500 Subject: test 010203040506" ------_Part_3c93d836-0134-6b1a-010203040506 please delete ------_Part_3c93d836-0134-6b1a-010203040506 MAILINXH24-0316150650; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:06:50 -0500 Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:06:30 -0500 g2GK6S819617; g2GK6L819567 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:06:21 - for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:11:20 - Subject: Reelseat wood incerts I've been working with a gentleman, Clint McCormick, on obtaining and workin=g wood for inserts, and would like to reccomend him to the list. He knows hi=s stuff, and is VERY enthusiastic about wood. He also suggested a stablizing=process using superglue, and where to get it at a very cost effective price=. The address is his ebay store, and you can email thru there. No interest, just a great contact. I've been working with agentleman, Clin= reccomend him to the list. He knows his stuff, and is VERY enthusiasticabou= wood. He also suggested a stablizing process using superglue, and where tog= it at a very cost effective price. The address is his ebay store, and you ca= ------_Part_3c93d836-0134-6b1a-010203040506-- from bob@downandacross.com Sat Mar 16 17:49:32 2002 g2GNnV801260 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:49:31 - 16 Mar 2002 18:49:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Signature Bret:I just sign mine with two linesR Maulucci- MakerDAX 704 That would stand for Downandacross 7 foot 0 inches 4 weightThe Quad would be DAX 704Q.If the rod is built on someone else's taper, I would have a third line readwith that info. Like the rod I built from Bob Milward's book says:R Maulucci- Maker6'6" for 5 wt.Milward-Hardy CC de France Taper Best regards,Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Signature I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple ofdifferent ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them withsize, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one.Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ Bret: mine with two lines Maker 704 stand for Downandacross 7 foot 0 inches 4 weight would be DAX 704Q. is built on someone else's taper, I would have a third line read with = Like the rod I built from Bob Milward's book says: Maker wt.Milward-Hardy CC de France Taper regards,Bob Grhghlndr@aol.comSent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 ajthramer@hotmail.com; Brethttp://bretsovens.bravepages.c=om/ from iank@ts.co.nz Sat Mar 16 18:03:13 2002 g2H03B804075 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:03:11 - by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2H0DxV21715 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:13:59+1200 using -f by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2H0DxG21711; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:13:59 +1200 using -f Subject: Re: real southern gathering To those who have inquired about pics of the gathering , these will beavailable in the next week or so. Some of the feature pics will include : Bobs head wound after walking into thelarge plum tree he had been walking around for the previous five days, Danny's ( dubbed the Italian ) very effective but dramatic castingstyle, Jerrys 8 lb brown trout caught after the gathering ( smile Bob) , Bob and Mikes 2 brown's and the 4 that got away , and many more. Ian Sam then found what his role was , he had a lot of cameras to use for thegroup photo but Hombre decided that sitting or standing out in the sun In all a great occasion in great company. Maybe again in March 2004 . Ian K ian,can we get pictures? i mean, pictures of hombre, the dog!hey, it sounds like a great time was had by all. hopefully a few more of uscan make it in 2004.i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at thereal southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". -- Tasman Solutions Ltd. Real People in Cyber Space http://www.ts.co.nz from dmanders@telusplanet.net Sat Mar 16 18:05:20 2002 Received: from g2H05J804652 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122- Mar 2002 17:05:12 -0700 Message-Id:X- Sender:dmanders/pop.telusplanet.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: Windows rodmakers@mail.wustL.edu From: Don & Sandy Andersen dmanders@telusplanet.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Guys,Was looking over the VFS [flyshop.com] and finally concluded that the faultis ours. If we ever want the world to pound a path to our door and make offwith all the cane rods we ever produced, we need letters - thats rightletters. We gotta have XYZ, PDQ, NFG and on and on. That is the only way wewill ever excite the masses. After reading some of the posts about my XRP,PDY or whatever arriving today. You would think those guys were describingtheir wedding night. catch ya' Donffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html > from mrc@mars.plala.or.jp Sat Mar16 18:36:56 2002 Received: from rm8.plala.or.jp (rm8.plala.or.jp Mar 2002 09:36:42 +0900 (JST) Message-ID:From: "Max" , ,Cc: ,, References:Subject: Re: Signature Date: Sun, 17 Mar mrc@mars.plala.or.jp Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bretet al, I have a frustration to write a line weight # on a rod. The reason is likethis. I made a rod, for instnace, from the taper of PHY Parabolic #17 whichsays #7 Wt.. Actually, however, it feels like #8 or #9 wt when it is casted.Do you think I should sign #7 nevertheless? Or should I sign as #8, or 9?Sometimes, it depends on the person who cast the rod and his selection ofDT or WF which decides the line Wt, I guess. In this case, should we sign likeWF 8, or DT 7? Any advise is appreciated. Max I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple ofdifferent ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them with size, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one.Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 19:21:16 2002 g2H1LF818254 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:21:16 -0600 Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:21:58 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: It just occurred to me Don,mine, as always JPB..................Just Plain Bamboo!!!Shawn Don & Sandy Andersen wrote: Guys, Was looking over the VFS [flyshop.com] and finally concluded that the faultis ours.If we ever want the world to pound a path to our door and make off with allthe cane rods we ever produced, we need letters - thats right letters.We gotta have XYZ, PDQ, NFG and on and on. That is the only way we willever excite the masses.After reading some of the posts about my XRP, PDY or whatever arrivingtoday. You would think those guys were describing their wedding night. catch ya' Don http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from channer@frontier.net Sat Mar 16 19:22:02 2002 g2H1M1818469 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:22:01 -0600 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:22:09 -0700 Subject: Re: It just occurred to me You know Ollie, I think you're right!john Don & Sandy Andersen wrote: Guys, Was looking over the VFS [flyshop.com] and finally concluded that the faultis ours.If we ever want the world to pound a path to our door and make off with allthe cane rods we ever produced, we need letters - thats right letters.We gotta have XYZ, PDQ, NFG and on and on. That is the only way we willever excite the masses.After reading some of the posts about my XRP, PDY or whatever arrivingtoday. You would think those guys were describing their wedding night. catch ya' Don http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from davidhray@mindspring.com Sat Mar 16 19:24:54 2002 g2H1Or819212 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:24:53 - ([64.154.159.163] helo=hostname.mindspring.com) id 16mPPn-0003Eq-00 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:24:52 -0500 Subject: Las Vegas --=======C17252B======= ascii; format=flowed I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the Southern Baptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas is good enough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough for Bamboo rod building. If we have our casting a little out of town there will no trees to get in the way. David H. Ray --=======C17252B======= ok-37E57593 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02 --=======C17252B=======-- from davidhray@mindspring.com Sat Mar 16 19:25:01 2002 g2H1P0819237 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:25:00 - ([64.154.159.163] helo=hostname.mindspring.com) id 16mPPt-0003Eq-00 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:24:59 -0500 Subject: Penta Taper --=======51D28D0======= ascii; format=flowed If there are others that are looking for a great Penta Taper I have one that is based on a Perfectionist 7' 6" 4 wt 2 piece. I have made hex and penta perfectionists rods and the penta is a much faster rod with a lot more power. I can't say it is an exact comparison but but from the 6 hex and two penta's I have made I like the penta far better and the perfectionist hex is an excellent rod taper, in my opinion. Here are the half measurements. 0 - .0295- .03510-.04815-.05520-.06225-.06930-.07535-.08740-.09845- .10250-.10755-.11460-.12265-.12770-.13075-.13480-.13785-.13990- .139 --=======51D28D0======= ok-37E57593 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02 --=======51D28D0=======-- from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 19:27:00 2002 g2H1Qx819932 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:26:59 - Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:28:43 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods caneman@clnk.com, ajthramer@hotmail.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Signature --------------15393A0A1A9E05355277A0B7 Bret,doesn't really matter, whatever YOU feel is right. Just makesure it is varnish proof.I switched markers and had to keep one of my own rods because thewriting is hardly legible after varnishing.As I told my wife and we ALL know, a rod like that can't be sold,not for any price and heaven forbid, I couldn't re-sign it and putanother coat of varnish on it! I guess I'll have no choice but to keepthat crummy Midge for myself, come to think of it I have a bad feelingabout that other rod I just split out ;^) Shawn Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote: I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple ofdifferent ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed themwith size, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on thisone.Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --------------15393A0A1A9E05355277A0B7 Bret, whateverYOU feel is right. Just make sure it is varnish proof. oneof my own rods because the writing is hardly legible after varnishing. rod like that can't be sold, not for any price and heaven forbid, I couldn't no choice but to keep that crummy Midge for myself, come to think of itI have a bad feeling about that other rod I just split out ;^) ShawnGrhghlndr@aol.com wrote:I was different one.Brethttp://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --------------15393A0A1A9E05355277A0B7-- from Lazybee45@aol.com Sat Mar 16 19:36:09 2002 g2H1a8821943 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:36:08 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas May I humbly disagree and suggest a gathering at Cedar Rapids, iowa? First because I could come and attend! but second because wehave nice facilities, and teh cost wold be much better than Vegas without the distractions of Siegfried and Roy, Showgirls, hookers, and imitation Elvises. We also do have a trout stream that runs right through town, and is within walking distance of the major convention center and easy driving distance of the other convention gathering areas. The excellent trout fishing areas of NE Iowa are within a few hours as well. Plus you have something you do NOT get anywhere else. Hospitality! Iowegans are friendly people. Plus we are distinguished by one real difficult failing. Iowa is one of the ofew places in teh world where you are likely to get mugged by a little old lady wielding a potroast! We like to eat and have this abject horror of the very idea of someone failing from lack of food on our doorstep! The Amana colonies are only a few miles away and they specialize in "family style" dining with huge crockery bowls of food being passed around the table, and you eat until you simply can't force the fork to your mouth. But then iowa is one of the places where you can be seriously in danger of death by overeating! while Ihave no "official" connection with any of the places I mentioned, I really HAVE tested them for you, no need to thank me, it is part of my job. I don't want any "friends" to show up and suffer from hunger or food that is sub standard. Now let me see, I simply MUST return to the Rhonnenberg Resturant to check if the home made Apple pie is up to standard, thaat and the German Schnitzel. Maybe I best check out the Beer at the Colony as well....Sorry, gotta go! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from canazon@mindspring.com Sat Mar 16 19:56:45 2002 g2H1uj825311 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:56:45 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16mPuW-0005Oy-00; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:56:37 -0500 "Tony Young" Subject: Re: real southern gathering You don't mean there was an excess of "toilet talk" do you? [;-)] TY i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at the real southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". well tony, i wasn't quite sure what you meant by toilet talk, but afterreading ian's post about all the fish that were caught after the gathering,it is much clearer to me now.i believe we shall to have the photographs analyzed to ensure that theyare not digitally enhanced.mike from djfinch@sprintmail.com Sat Mar 16 20:21:33 2002 g2H2LW829367 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:21:32 - ([63.211.242.177] helo=sprintmail.com) id 16mQIZ-0007QB-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:21:27 -0800 Subject: Test :please delete test from gjm80301@yahoo.com Sat Mar 16 20:51:26 2002 g2H2pP804070 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:51:25 - 16 Mar 2002 18:51:16 PST Subject: Re: real southern gathering The last straggler has made it home. I'll have more to day. Theshort story is that it was the best trip ever. Our hosts are to becommeneded. Next time, we'll need to find a facility so aas not toentirely take over teh Kearney residence. we had some great fishing when we headed for tht he mountains, but itdoes take some getting used to. I have lots and lots of pictures, but no host for them. Jerry --- IanKearney wrote: To those who have inquired about pics of the gathering , these willbe available in the next week or so. Some of the feature pics will include : Bobs head wound afterwalking into the large plum tree he had been walking around for theprevious five days, Danny's ( dubbed the Italian ) very effective butdramatic casting style, Jerrys 8 lb brown trout caught after thegathering ( smile Bob) , Bob and Mikes 2 brown's and the 4 that got away , and manymore. Ian Sam then found what his role was , he had a lot of cameras to use group photo but Hombre decided that sitting or standing out in the sun In all a great occasion in great company. Maybe again in March 2004 . Ian K ian,can we get pictures? i mean, pictures of hombre, the dog!hey, it sounds like a great time was had by all. hopefully a few more of us can make it in 2004.i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at the real southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". -- Tasman Solutions Ltd.Real People in Cyber Spacehttp://www.ts.co.nz __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from Notsooyoun@aol.com Sat Mar 16 21:00:56 2002 g2H30t805921 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:00:55 - for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:00:37 - Subject: Nickel Silver I was wondering what the alloy is that comprise the nickel silver used in ferrules.ThanksNotso from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sat Mar 16 21:07:23 2002 g2H37M807044 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:07:23 - (authenticated) Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:07:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Nickel Silver Notso, Most of us use our real names on here, just as a way of getting to knoweach other. Part of what makes this list so valuable is the relationships wedevelop. Some of the folks here have become good friends to me in the lastsix years. Oh, if Notso IS your real name, please accept my apologies formaking a false assumption. Nickel silver is an alloy of copper, zinc, and nickel -- if I remembercorrectly. In most cases, the nickel is either 12% or 18%, depending on theparticular alloy. Harry Boyd Notsooyoun@aol.com wrote: I was wondering what the alloy is that comprise the nickel silver used inferrules.ThanksNotso -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from dickay@alltel.net Sun Mar 17 06:33:57 2002 g2HCXu824615 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:33:56 -0600 srv.alltel.net Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:33:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Was Dimension increases, Now Experimentation All, If not Montana, why not Branson, Missouri. Its centrally located. =There are plenty of motels, campgrounds, restaurants and lots of things = amusement parks, and golf courses). For the "Bamboo Interested" there =is Lake Taneycomo to use as a casting pond (Its really a stream with =trout in it.). And its not to far from the great flyfishing waters of =Arkansas, the White River, the Norfolk, and the Little Red River. If =your into other kinds of fishing, Bass Pro Shop World Headquarters is =just a half hour away in Springfield. Just a suggestion.Dick Fuhrman Subject: Re: Was Dimension increases, Now Experimentation Harry, I am sure the Baptist Church of Las Vegas would even put you up for = The symposium in Montana sounds like a good place also. But when =Montana calls meetings are the last things on my mind. I mean give me a =break Ralph lives on the Henry's Fork. When he goes to Montana it is =like slumming. Adam Subject: Re: Was Dimension increases, Now Experimentation A national gathering? Sounds like we should meet where the rest of =the U.S.A does when they want everybody to come and have an easy =destination point. LAS VEGAS! Vegas? Vegas? Gimme a break man! I know why you decided on =Vegas... You don't want me to show. 'fraid we might tie up, huh? (Tie =up is a good suth'n term ...MD can explain it) You know if we have it =in Vegas, the good Rev' won't be able to attend. He'd lose his job. = Tongue pressing firmly against my cheek, and still lobbying for = All, If not Montana, why not Branson, = lots of things for the "Non-Bamboo Interested" to do (shopping (outlet = there is Lake Taneycomo to use as a casting pond (Its really a stream = kinds of fishing, Bass Pro Shop World Headquarters is just a half hour = Dick Fuhrman ----- Original Message ----- Vigil Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu= Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 = PMSubject: Re: Was Dimension = Experimentation Harry, I am sure the Baptist Church of Las = even put you up for the weekend. The symposium in Montana sounds like= also. But when Montana calls meetings are the last things on my mind. = it is like slumming. Adam ----- Original Message ----- Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu= Sent: Thursday, March 14, = AMSubject: Re: Was Dimension = Now Experimentation A = gathering? Sounds like we should meet where the rest of the U.S.A = when they want everybody to come and have an easy destination = LAS VEGAS! Harry = from channer@frontier.net Sun Mar 17 09:04:28 2002 g2HF4R826970 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:04:28 - for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:04:25 - Subject: Snake Brand tip Being the kind of person that just can't leave anything the way it came,I find myself touching up the toes on Snake Brand guides just a bit, Ifind it makes wrapping 3/0 over them easier. As I use the black ones, Ithen have to do something about the shiny spot I've just created. Itypically use magic marker, but I had just blued some ferrules last niteand had a Q-tip with Brass Black on it, so I touched the end of theguide foot with it, and , low and behold, it turned black! Now no moreworries about the marker bleeding into the wrap or waiting for it todry. It does make me wonder a bit what kind of wire they're made of, butnot too much. Just thought I would pass this tid bit along.john from bhoy551@earthlink.net Sun Mar 17 09:05:46 2002 g2HF5j827127 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:05:45 - helo=bhoy.earthlink.net) id 16mcEB-00032i-00 for RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 07:05:44 -0800 Subject: test ignore from homes-sold@attbi.com Sun Mar 17 09:30:20 2002 g2HFUJ827630 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:30:19 - ;Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:30:14 +0000 Subject: Re: Snake Brand tip John,Just curious, where did you get the Brass Black?Don----- Original Message ----- Subject: Snake Brand tip Being the kind of person that just can't leave anything the way it came,I find myself touching up the toes on Snake Brand guides just a bit from harms1@pa.net Sun Mar 17 10:15:03 2002 g2HGF2828397 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:15:02 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Las Vegas I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas is goodenough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. If we have our casting a little out of town there will no trees to get in the way. David H. Ray -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02 from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Mar 17 10:33:18 2002 g2HGXH828855 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:33:17 - (authenticated) Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:33:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Las Vegas Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D.Campbell,the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If Iwent to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slip intoone of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask, 'Pleasemam,please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas theybroughtwith them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they brokeneitherone. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain Home Arkansas,oreven Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas is goodenough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from KyleDruey@aol.com Sun Mar 17 10:43:02 2002 g2HGh1829155 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:43:01 - for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:42:53 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas Bill, I couldn't agree more. I am a native Californian, lived here my whole, will probably die here, and I have never been to Vegas. I live about 4 hours away and the thought to visit Las Vegas doesn't even cross my mind. Branson, now that would be a great place, and a place I have visited. Many many things for the Queen of the Domocile to visit and do while the men play with the bamboo. Outlet shops, restaurants, theater houses, etc., could fill up the days (or evenings) as alternative entertainment. Bass Pro Shop in Springfield, MO was amazing, even the kids loved that one! Kyle In a message dated 03/17/2002 8:15:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,harms1@pa.net writes: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it.Cheers, Bill from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Mar 17 11:11:35 2002 g2HHBY829890 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:11:34 - ([209.179.146.168] helo=computer) id 16meBx-0006JO-00 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:11:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Las Vegas Guys, Some people go to Vegas for the shows and food I guess others go for theseedy part. Never crossed my mind, but now we know what goes on betweenyourears we will make sure to keep our gatherings are far away from the evilVegas things. Because will all know that bad stuff only happens in Nevada.Well all know that brothels don't exist in New Orleans or even California.Shoot I bet they even DANCE and drink BEER in Nevada! LOL....we willconsider a calmer place for a national gathering. Would not want to beresponsible for any rodmakers drinking or gambling instead of talking bamboorods. Branson might be nice....they dont have big city women there do they? Adam from rmoon@ida.net Sun Mar 17 11:23:09 2002 g2HHN8800280 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:23:08 - 0000 Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Las Vegas Harry I love your stubbornness. Ralph Harry Boyd wrote: Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D.Campbell,the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If Iwent to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slip intoone of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask, 'Pleasemam,please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas theybroughtwith them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they brokeneitherone. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain HomeArkansas, oreven Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas isgoodenough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Mar 17 12:12:57 2002 g2HICv801675 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:12:57 - g2HICtO31999 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:12:55 -0600 Subject: Re: Las Vegas I go along with Mtn.Home.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Harry Boyd wrote: Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D.Campbell,the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If Iwent to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slip intoone of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask, 'Pleasemam,please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas theybroughtwith them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they brokeneitherone. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain HomeArkansas, oreven Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas isgoodenough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from lblan@provide.net Sun Mar 17 12:21:43 2002 g2HILh801970 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:21:43 - for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:21:41 - Subject: RE: Las Vegas Hmmm... considering the amount of planning involved, Mountain Home mightnotbe a bad choice. The group is already familiar with the area, which isreally necessary in terms of planning something worthwhile. It isn't a oneman job, and we have a few members who know the ins and outs down there.Itisn't completely central, but it's not that far off. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 11:33 AM Cc: davidhray@mindspring.com; Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Las Vegas Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence withWill D. Campbell,the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Meneither. If Iwent to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but toquietly slip intoone of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses andask, 'Please mam,please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited LasVegas they broughtwith them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and theybroke neitherone. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or MountainHome Arkansas, oreven Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want to visit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able to scroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas is good enough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Mar 17 12:57:56 2002 g2HIvt802797 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:57:55 - User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Las Vegas Larry, I consulted a map and it appears that Cedar Rapids, IA is much more central. However, I was thinking that somewhere in Wisconsin (there is no Sin in Wisconsin) we might find an amenable spot. After all, Mtn. Home is already a noted gathering site, some variety would be nice. Perhaps there are rodmakers in the Chicago area that could coordinate the gathering. (Hint, hint) WI is fairly geographically central to major U.S. population centers; heck, we might even get folks driving over from Ontario and Manitoba, as well. Just a thought.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Larry Blan wrote: Hmmm... considering the amount of planning involved, Mountain Home mightnotbe a bad choice. The group is already familiar with the area, which isreally necessary in terms of planning something worthwhile. It isn't a oneman job, and we have a few members who know the ins and outs downthere. Itisn't completely central, but it's not that far off. Larry Blan from dybam@oct.net Sun Mar 17 13:04:57 2002 g2HJ4u803061 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:04:56 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas Communications, Inc. I vote for Branson.Mark----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Las Vegas Bill, I couldn't agree more. I am a native Californian, lived here my whole, will probably die here, and I have never been to Vegas. I live about 4 hours away and the thought to visit Las Vegas doesn't even cross my mind. Branson, now that would be a great place, and a place I have visited. Many many things for the Queen of the Domocile to visit and do while the men play with the bamboo. Outlet shops, restaurants, theater houses, etc., could fill up the days (or evenings) as alternative entertainment. Bass Pro Shop inSpringfield, MO was amazing, even the kids loved that one! Kyle In a message dated 03/17/2002 8:15:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, harms1@pa.net writes: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want to visit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able to scroll down to it. Cheers, Bill from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Sun Mar 17 13:21:20 2002 g2HJLJ803611 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:21:19 - 0000 Subject: Dropped from List? I think I got dropped from the list over the weekend. Had a great time at the Sowbug Roundup Saturday. Got to meet Bob =Nunley., Tony Spezio., M D, and Troy Miller. Great show Tony - I =learned a lot. Kurt Nixa, MO I think I got dropped from the list= weekend. Had a great time at the Sowbug = Tony - I learned a lot. Kurt Nixa, =MO from jteft@frontiernet.net Sun Mar 17 13:27:52 2002 g2HJRp803919 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:27:51 - 0000 Subject: Location I'd settle for Mtn. Home. Have to stay in Branson.Think I maybe still =wanted for a speeding violation, from my visit to Tony Spezio.Sent them =my money but they never sent me a receipt. Probably something to do with =the NY license plate and the Catch and Release Wild Trout. Got to get me =one that says Catch and Cook Catfish on it....:-)))))Jim T I'd settle for Mtn. Home. Have to stay in = Spezio.Sent them my money but they never sent me a receipt. Probably = to do with the NY license plate and the Catch and Release Wild Trout. = me one that says Catch and Cook Catfish on it....:-)))))Jim T from dnhayashida@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 13:58:13 2002 g2HJwD804807 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:58:13 - 17 Mar 2002 11:58:07 PST Subject: Re: Signature My preference for a signature is no signature at all.Why? Because I make cane rods to be used. If there isa signature with line weight on it people will look atit, read the signature, read the line weight, and putit back in it's fancy rod tube. Now if somebody pullsa cane rod out of a pvc tube, sees there is nosignature, no line weight, he is more likely to say"Well, lets see what line weight this rod casts.",take it out and lawn cast it. Hopefully he will say"Wow this thing casts pretty good. I wonder what it islike to fish with it. Hmmm.... no maker signature,can't be too expensive, I think I will try fishingwith it." If that happens just once, I'll be happy. The reality is with all the rods I've sold the buyerwanted it signed. But that doesn't stop me fromleaving my own rods unsigned.Darryl Hayashida --- Max wrote: Bret et al, I have a frustration to write a line weight # on arod.The reason is like this.I made a rod, for instnace, from the taper of PHYParabolic #17 which says#7 Wt.. Actually, however, it feels like #8 or #9wt when it is casted.Do you think I should sign #7 nevertheless? Orshould I sign as #8, or 9?Sometimes, it depends on the person who cast the rodand his selection of DTor WF which decidesthe line Wt, I guess. In this case, should we signlike WF 8, or DT 7?Any advise is appreciated. Max I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple of different ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them withsize, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one. Bret HREF="http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/">http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ A> __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from richjez@enteract.com Sun Mar 17 14:15:21 2002 g2HKFK805292 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:15:20 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas Reed, The area where Olaf lives is in southwestern Wisconsin. There is a lot of small and medium stream fishing in the area. There is big river fishing too if the Mississippi counts. Several of us have talked about meeting there before. Never got it together though. Maybe it is time to try again? Rich Jezioro At 01:02 PM 3/17/2002, Reed Curry wrote: Larry,I consulted a map and it appears that Cedar Rapids, IA is much more central. However, I was thinking that somewhere in Wisconsin (there is no Sin in Wisconsin) we might find an amenable spot. After all, Mtn. Home is already a noted gathering site, some variety would be nice. Perhaps there are rodmakers in the Chicago area that could coordinate the gathering. (Hint, hint)WI is fairly geographically central to major U.S. population centers; heck, we might even get folks driving over from Ontario and Manitoba, as well.Just a thought.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Larry Blan wrote: Hmmm... considering the amount of planning involved, Mountain Homemight notbe a bad choice. The group is already familiar with the area, which isreally necessary in terms of planning something worthwhile. It isn't a oneman job, and we have a few members who know the ins and outs downthere. Itisn't completely central, but it's not that far off.Larry Blan from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Mar 17 14:36:19 2002 g2HKaI805947 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:36:18 - g2HKaHO01227 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:36:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Dropped from List? It was all my pleasure.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Kurt Clement wrote: I think I got dropped from the list over theweekend. Had a great time at the Sowbug RoundupSaturday. Got to meet Bob Nunley., Tony Spezio.,M D, and Troy Miller. Great show Tony - Ilearned a lot. Kurt Nixa, MO from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Mar 17 14:36:35 2002 g2HKaY805960 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:36:34 - ([209.179.147.1] helo=computer) id 16mhOK-0002CB-00; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:36:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Signature Darryl, With my luck they would take the rod out and put a 4wt on 7wt rod or viceversa. Flyfishermen are so use to be told what to do if you leave off theline weight they cant get excited over the latest trend. Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Signature My preference for a signature is no signature at all.Why? Because I make cane rods to be used. If there isa signature with line weight on it people will look atit, read the signature, read the line weight, and putit back in it's fancy rod tube. Now if somebody pullsa cane rod out of a pvc tube, sees there is nosignature, no line weight, he is more likely to say"Well, lets see what line weight this rod casts.",take it out and lawn cast it. Hopefully he will say"Wow this thing casts pretty good. I wonder what it islike to fish with it. Hmmm.... no maker signature,can't be too expensive, I think I will try fishingwith it." If that happens just once, I'll be happy. The reality is with all the rods I've sold the buyerwanted it signed. But that doesn't stop me fromleaving my own rods unsigned.Darryl Hayashida --- Max wrote: Bret et al, I have a frustration to write a line weight # on arod.The reason is like this.I made a rod, for instnace, from the taper of PHYParabolic #17 which says#7 Wt.. Actually, however, it feels like #8 or #9wt when it is casted.Do you think I should sign #7 nevertheless? Orshould I sign as #8, or 9?Sometimes, it depends on the person who cast the rodand his selection of DTor WF which decidesthe line Wt, I guess. In this case, should we signlike WF 8, or DT 7?Any advise is appreciated. Max I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple of different ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them withsize, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one. Bret HREF="http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/">http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ > A> __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from HomeyDKlown@att.net Sun Mar 17 14:47:07 2002 g2HKl6806653 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:47:06 - ;Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:47:00 +0000 Subject: RE: Signature Darryl, I've fallen into that trap too. I made a Dawn Holbrook mod 310 for a nineweight line. After lots of experimentation, despite the 9wt. designation Iput on it, I found that it case anywhere from a WF6 to a WF8 with equalauthority. The nine was just too much for it and it wouldn't throw it withany kind of repeatable accuracy or distance. I started the 8WT saga with aWulff Triangle Taper and was happy with the result. Then I met Olaf Borgeat the Catskills Gathering last September. He loaned me a WF8 J. P.Thebault silk line that I fell in love with and bought. That's my "go to"line now for that rod. I guess my point here is that you shouldn't believewhat's written on the rod (or the taper specs), rather try different weightson either side of the fence. There are so many variables that go into anindividual rod that you shouldn't pin yourself down to one particular typeof line. Again, experimentation is the key concept here. I was pleasantlysurprised that a rod that nobody could cast at first turned out to be analmost stellar performer after it was paired with the right line type andweight. I still sign my rods, but I always try other weights too. That's just forme though. I would probably tell the recipient of one of my rods that it'ssupposed to cast this, but try "that" too. The last one that I made for afriend just turned out to be a perfect match for the weight it was supposedto cast. Fortunately, he was open minded enough to trust my judgement asfar as trying other lines went. We tried a bunch of other lines and heagreed that the spec'd weight was right for him too. Having said all that,I don't sell my rods commercially. I'm sure the "rules" are different inthat arena. Just my $0.02. Dennis -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Signature My preference for a signature is no signature at all.Why? Because I make cane rods to be used. If there isa signature with line weight on it people will look atit, read the signature, read the line weight, and putit back in it's fancy rod tube. Now if somebody pullsa cane rod out of a pvc tube, sees there is nosignature, no line weight, he is more likely to say"Well, lets see what line weight this rod casts.",take it out and lawn cast it. Hopefully he will say"Wow this thing casts pretty good. I wonder what it islike to fish with it. Hmmm.... no maker signature,can't be too expensive, I think I will try fishingwith it." If that happens just once, I'll be happy. The reality is with all the rods I've sold the buyerwanted it signed. But that doesn't stop me fromleaving my own rods unsigned.Darryl Hayashida --- Max wrote: Bret et al, I have a frustration to write a line weight # on arod.The reason is like this.I made a rod, for instnace, from the taper of PHYParabolic #17 which says#7 Wt.. Actually, however, it feels like #8 or #9wt when it is casted.Do you think I should sign #7 nevertheless? Orshould I sign as #8, or 9?Sometimes, it depends on the person who cast the rodand his selection of DTor WF which decidesthe line Wt, I guess. In this case, should we signlike WF 8, or DT 7?Any advise is appreciated. Max I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple of different ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them withsize, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one. Bret HREF="http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/">http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ A> __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from dnhayashida@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 14:54:11 2002 g2HKsA806969 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:54:10 - 17 Mar 2002 12:54:10 PST Subject: Re: Signature I never believe the line weight written any rodsanyway. It's a good place to start, but I don't thinkI've ever used the same line weight as was written onthe rod. Except for the Superfine or Fullflex Orvisrods. Even cane rod makers tend to recommend lineweights that are too light. Of course it's all up towhat each person likes and how they cast.Darryl Hayashida --- Adam Vigil wrote: Darryl, With my luck they would take the rod out and put a4wt on 7wt rod or viceversa. Flyfishermen are so use to be told what to doif you leave off theline weight they cant get excited over the latesttrend. Adam----- Original Message -----From: "Darryl Hayashida" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 11:58 AMSubject: Re: Signature My preference for a signature is no signature at all. Why? Because I make cane rods to be used. If there is a signature with line weight on it people will look at it, read the signature, read the line weight, and put it back in it's fancy rod tube. Now if somebody pulls a cane rod out of a pvc tube, sees there is nosignature, no line weight, he is more likely to say "Well, lets see what line weight this rod casts.",take it out and lawn cast it. Hopefully he will say "Wow this thing casts pretty good. I wonder what it is like to fish with it. Hmmm.... no maker signature,can't be too expensive, I think I will try fishingwith it." If that happens just once, I'll be happy. The reality is with all the rods I've sold the buyer wanted it signed. But that doesn't stop me fromleaving my own rods unsigned.Darryl Hayashida --- Max wrote: Bret et al, I have a frustration to write a line weight # on a rod.The reason is like this.I made a rod, for instnace, from the taper of PHY Parabolic #17 which says#7 Wt.. Actually, however, it feels like #8 or #9 wt when it is casted.Do you think I should sign #7 nevertheless? Orshould I sign as #8, or 9?Sometimes, it depends on the person who cast the rod and his selection of DTor WF which decidesthe line Wt, I guess. In this case, should we sign like WF 8, or DT 7?Any advise is appreciated. Max I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple of different ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them withsize, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat this one. Bret HREF="http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/">http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ > > A> __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from j.behar@rogers.com Sun Mar 17 15:00:49 2002 g2HL0j807357 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:00:49 - mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com(InterMail vM.5.01.04.06 201-253-122- 122-106-20020109) with User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: New to the list mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.103.236.252] using IDat Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:00:40 -0500 Hello, I just subscribed to the list and am looking forward to getting involvedhere. A little about me: I live in Toronto, Canada and started building cane rodslast year. In 2001 I finished my first rod (7'9" 5 wt. from a Frank Neuneman(did I spell that right?) taper. I turned out nicely and I got the bug. Thisyear I'm working on a 6'3" 3 wt from a Cattanach taper. Being a novice I'mpretty well sure that I'll keep my mouth shut most of the time unless I'masking a question, but as I said I'm looking forward to contributing wherepossible and hopefully learning a few things. Joe Beharj.behar@rogers.com If people concentrated on the really important stuff in life, there'd be ashortage of fishing rods from rextutor@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 15:13:52 2002 g2HLDp807885 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:13:51 - 17 Mar 2002 13:13:50 PST Subject: Bamboo Rod Making Classes in or near Ann Arbor, MI tcollins emailed me in Denver asking for bamboo rodmaking classes near Ann Arbor .You may email him directly if you offer them attcollins235131MI@comcast.net And . . . although I do expect to have afinancialinterest someday, it is not in this request. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from dnhayashida@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 15:16:18 2002 g2HLGH808117 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:16:17 - 17 Mar 2002 13:16:16 PST Subject: Fiberglass Rods Just spent a nice Saturday fly fishing a local wildtrout area. The guy I went with was using a newfiberglass fly rod. I asked why he "went back" tofiberglass. He replied that he broke off too muchsetting the hook with his graphite rod. I offered tolet him use my cane rod, but he declined, he said hedidn't want to risk breaking it. He also said hedidn't think he could get used to the 5 ft. rod I wasusing, but I was amazed that graphite rods weregetting so stiff that breaking off setting the hookwas becoming a problem for some people. Is "softeraction" going to be the next marketing hype?Darryl Hayashida __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from rextutor@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 15:17:18 2002 g2HLHH808261 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:17:17 - 17 Mar 2002 13:17:16 PST Subject: Re: Bamboo Rod Making Classes in or near Ann Arbor, MI I swear that I typed Ann Arbor , Michigan, but in anyevent that is the case.--- Rex Tutor wrote: tcollins emailed me in Denver asking for bamboo rodmaking classes near Ann Arbor .You may email him directly if you offer them attcollins235131MI@comcast.net > And . . . although I do expect to have a financialinterest someday, it is not in this request. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from fiveside@net-gate.com Sun Mar 17 15:18:47 2002 g2HLIk808515 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:18:46 - Subject: Straightening To the List,I've straightened many a rod but none as stubborn as these Trirods. =Bill To the List, = from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Mar 17 15:43:42 2002 g2HLhf809365 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:43:41 - (authenticated) Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:43:36 -0800 Subject: Re: New to the list Hi Joe, Welcome aboard. Sorry if I have in any way contributed to your slidingdownthe slippery slope of bamboo!! Don't hesitate to jump in when the occasion arises. Often we see that onequestion raises another, and another, and so on. Sometimes it is thequestionway down the line from which we all learn the most. Drop me a note when I can help,Harry Boyd Joe Behar wrote: I just subscribed to the list and am looking forward to getting involvedhere. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from tedknott@cogeco.ca Sun Mar 17 16:00:45 2002 g2HM0j809959 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:00:45 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas What's a Branson? from lbecker@cox.rr.com Sun Mar 17 16:04:00 2002 g2HM3x810192 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:03:59 - Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:03:16 -0500 Subject: RE: New to the list Hi, I am new too. I haven't even built a rod yet. A friend of mine got the bug, andgot two of the books, and now we find ourselves shining up some Stanley 91/2planes and gathering the other assorted necessary tools, and setting asidesomespace in my basement for rod building. A set of planing forms will be on thewaysoon. I haven't had a chance to fully search the archives yet, but where do youguysrecommend getting bamboo from? thanks in advance for any info, and I already have learned a thing or three byreading the recent posts to this list. Mr. Lynn Becker -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: New to the list Hello, I just subscribed to the list and am looking forward to getting involvedhere. A little about me: I live in Toronto, Canada and started building cane rodslast year. In 2001 I finished my first rod (7'9" 5 wt. from a FrankNeuneman(did I spell that right?) taper. I turned out nicely and I got the bug. Thisyear I'm working on a 6'3" 3 wt from a Cattanach taper. Being a novice I'mpretty well sure that I'll keep my mouth shut most of the time unless I'masking a question, but as I said I'm looking forward to contributing wherepossible and hopefully learning a few things. Joe Beharj.behar@rogers.com If people concentrated on the really important stuff in life, there'd be ashortage of fishing rods from lbecker@cox.rr.com Sun Mar 17 16:07:19 2002 g2HM7I810521 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:07:18 - Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:07:16 -0500 Subject: RE: Fiberglass Rods I wonder if the rod material wasn't just an excuse for knot/leader ortechniqueproblems this guy may have had. -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Fiberglass Rods Just spent a nice Saturday fly fishing a local wildtrout area. The guy I went with was using a newfiberglass fly rod. I asked why he "went back" tofiberglass. He replied that he broke off too much setting the hook with his graphite rod. I offered tolet him use my cane rod, but he declined, he said hedidn't want to risk breaking it. He also said hedidn't think he could get used to the 5 ft. rod I wasusing, but I was amazed that graphite rods weregetting so stiff that breaking off setting the hookwas becoming a problem for some people. Is "softeraction" going to be the next marketing hype?Darryl Hayashida __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sun Mar 17 16:20:56 2002 g2HMKt811061 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:20:55 - Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:22:43 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: New to the list Joe,welcome to the list! Great to see another Canadian too, Shawn (in Nova Scotia) Joe Behar wrote: Hello, I just subscribed to the list and am looking forward to getting involvedhere. A little about me: I live in Toronto, Canada and started building cane rodslast year. In 2001 I finished my first rod (7'9" 5 wt. from a FrankNeuneman(did I spell that right?) taper. I turned out nicely and I got the bug. Thisyear I'm working on a 6'3" 3 wt from a Cattanach taper. Being a novice I'mpretty well sure that I'll keep my mouth shut most of the time unless I'masking a question, but as I said I'm looking forward to contributing wherepossible and hopefully learning a few things. Joe Beharj.behar@rogers.com If people concentrated on the really important stuff in life, there'd be ashortage of fishing rods from HomeyDKlown@att.net Sun Mar 17 16:31:46 2002 g2HMVk811588 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:31:46 - ;Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:31:40 +0000 Subject: RE: Straightening Bill, My hat's off to you! I have enough trouble straightening hexes, let aloneexperimentals! It was great fun casting your tri at Tom's house last week.I only wish I had the time and imagination to conjure up things like you do. Happp St. Pat's Day! Dennis-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Straightening To the List,I've straightened many a rod but none as stubborn as these Trirods.Bill Bill, you do. St. Pat's Day! Dennis FinkSent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:17 StraighteningTo the List, Bill from harms1@pa.net Sun Mar 17 17:00:09 2002 g2HN08812467 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:00:08 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas Harry, Yep, I get yer drift. For me, it's nothing to do with morality issues, asI'm often happy slumming with the best of 'em. It's just that I'd rather doit with real people in a real setting. Best, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Las Vegas Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D. Campbell, the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If I went to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slip into one of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask, 'Please mam, please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas they brought with them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they broke neither one. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain Home Arkansas, or even Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want to visit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able to scroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas is good enough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from DCURTIS@satx.rr.com Sun Mar 17 17:00:17 2002 g2HN0G812472 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:00:17 - g2HMuPKW017562 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:56:25 -0600 Subject: RE: New to the list Lynn/Joe, welcome to the list. I have been on the list over a year andstill working on my first rod. I had some prier commitments that took upmuch of last year. However, I'm well on my way to getting the first onefishing, my goal is by May. The list is a great place to learn, askquestions and make friends. There are so many good people on the list thatare willing to help you out. I met some last year at a gather in Arkansas.I think you will make friendships here that will last a lifetime. I lookforward to seeing you on the list. Darrin CurtisSan Antonio TX -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: New to the list Hi, I am new too. I haven't even built a rod yet. A friend of mine got the bug,andgot two of the books, and now we find ourselves shining up some Stanley 91/2planes and gathering the other assorted necessary tools, and setting asidesomespace in my basement for rod building. A set of planing forms will be on thewaysoon. I haven't had a chance to fully search the archives yet, but where do youguysrecommend getting bamboo from? thanks in advance for any info, and I already have learned a thing or threebyreading the recent posts to this list. Mr. Lynn Becker -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: New to the list Hello, I just subscribed to the list and am looking forward to getting involvedhere. A little about me: I live in Toronto, Canada and started building cane rods last year. In 2001 I finished my first rod (7'9" 5 wt. from a Frank Neuneman (did I spell that right?) taper. I turned out nicely and I got the bug. This year I'm working on a 6'3" 3 wt from a Cattanach taper. Being a novice I'mpretty well sure that I'll keep my mouth shut most of the time unless I'masking a question, but as I said I'm looking forward to contributing wherepossible and hopefully learning a few things. Joe Beharj.behar@rogers.com If people concentrated on the really important stuff in life, there'd be ashortage of fishing rods from Lazybee45@aol.com Sun Mar 17 17:10:52 2002 g2HNAq813091 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:10:52 - for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:10:35 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas In a message dated 3/17/02 5:00:45 PM Central Standard Time,harms1@pa.net writes: Yeah, mee too! Mmorality is either something you have or don't. Teh locality makes little difference to me. I just don't particularly like Vegas and the desert is a crummy place to try out a fishing rod! I suggested my home town because of my pride in our hospitalityand the idea that there is some fairly good fishing within a reasonable distance ( from under a mile to a couple of hours drive time) Also, it IS rather centrally located for everyone. but I can understand the reluctance to come to IOWA (!!!???!!!) place to vacation in. But it is a good place and our facilities are not behind others. Less hassle here too! not as many people trying to rip you off either. I am continually leaving my wallet or checkbook laying somewhere and going back and picking it up when I remember it. I really have to watch it when I go somewhere like Chicago! Believe it or not, we even have indoor plumbing and everything! ;-D mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from parataper@hotmail.com Sun Mar 17 17:35:00 2002 g2HNYx813889 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:34:59 - Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:34:38 -0800 Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:34:38 GMT FILETIME=[4DEB7310:01C1CE0C] MarkJoin the world's largest e-mailservice with MSN Hotmail. ClickHere from caneman@clnk.com Sun Mar 17 17:47:11 2002 g2HNlA814267 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:47:10 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:44:58 -0600 Subject: Re: real southern gathering Mike,I think for me and Mike Roberts, the lack of success fishing wascentered around our Moisture Absorption Studies. Hard to tell, sometimes,if the fish are hitting the caddis on the left or the one on the right. Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: real southern gathering Sam then found what his role was , he had a lot of cameras to use for thegroup photo but Hombre decided that sitting or standing out in the sun In all a great occasion in great company. Maybe again in March 2004 . Ian K ian,can we get pictures? i mean, pictures of hombre, the dog!hey, it sounds like a great time was had by all. hopefully a few more of us can make it in 2004.i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at the real southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". from thardy@blarg.net Sun Mar 17 17:50:10 2002 g2HNoA814541 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:50:10 - Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:50:08 -0800User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook- Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. I think that would be about a WF8. If a HCH is a DT7, then wouldn't a B bean 8? What do you think guys? Hi, I was just given 3 lines. 2 NOS silk and 1 nylon. They are all 3 agbf, but I can't cross this to a modern taper in my records. Whithoutpulling them apart, what do you guys think? Is this a weight forward? All Mark Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here Re: I think that would be about a WF8. If a HCH is a DT7, then wouldn't a B be =an 8? What do you think guys? From: "mark petrie" Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:34:38 -0600 nylo= = Mark Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here<ht= from bob@downandacross.com Sun Mar 17 17:52:28 2002 g2HNqR814788 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:52:27 - 17 Mar 2002 18:52:21 -0500 Subject: RE: Mark: from the diameters, it looks like a bass bug taper to me. .030, .055, .035Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: Hi, I was just given 3 lines. 2 NOS silk and 1 nylon. They are all 3 agbf, but I can't cross this to a modern taper in my records. Whithoutpulling them apart, what do you guys think? Is this a weight forward? Allhelp appreciated.Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here Mark: .035Bob petrieSent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:35 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Mark Here from bob@downandacross.com Sun Mar 17 17:54:17 2002 g2HNsG815025 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:54:16 - ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:54:06 -0500 Subject: GBF Silk LIne Should be an 8WF. See Schweibert, Trout p. 772.Bob from bob@downandacross.com Sun Mar 17 17:56:33 2002 g2HNuW815280 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:56:32 - Subject: RE: Oops, on Trout p.775 Schweibert says it is a WF7. Two pages earlier he saidWF8. Sorry.Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: RE: Mark: from the diameters, it looks like a bass bug taper to me. .030, .055, .035Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: Hi, I was just given 3 lines. 2 NOS silk and 1 nylon. They are all 3a gbf, but I can't cross this to a modern taper in my records. Whithoutpulling them apart, what do you guys think? Is this a weight forward? Allhelp appreciated.Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here Sorry.Bob MaulucciSent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:52 parataper@hotmail.com;rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: = Mark: .035Bob petrieSent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:35 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Mark Here from lblan@provide.net Sun Mar 17 18:10:06 2002 g2I0A6815721 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:10:06 - for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:10:04 - Subject: RE: I've always considered that an 8WF. I thought the 7wts were all Hxx's? Larry Blan-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:56 PM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Oops, on Trout p.775 Schweibert says it is a WF7. Two pages earlier hesaid WF8. Sorry.Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: RE: Mark: from the diameters, it looks like a bass bug taper to me. .030, .055,.035Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: Hi, I was just given 3 lines. 2 NOS silk and 1 nylon. They are all3 a gbf, but I can't cross this to a modern taper in my records. Whithoutpulling them apart, what do you guys think? Is this a weight forward? Allhelp appreciated.Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------------Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here Hxx's? Larry Blan MaulucciSent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:56 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: = Trout p.775 Schweibert says it is a WF7. Two pages earlier he said = Sorry.Bob MaulucciSent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:52 = parataper@hotmail.com;rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: = Mark: .035Bob petrieSent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:35 = rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: = Mark Here from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Mar 17 18:27:32 2002 g2I0RV816274 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:27:31 - ([209.179.149.110] helo=computer) id 16mkze-00049r-00; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:27:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Fiberglass Rods I have been watching it come for a couple of years. You know the graphiteguys figured out if they made faster rods which can cast a mile in theparking lot they would sell a ton of them and they do. Now that many arefiguring out they are working to hard with those broomsticks, they arestarting to look for a smooth nice trout rod action of days gone by. I solda Winston fiberglass for $750 and a little Scott one for $550. They arecoming! Be ready! Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: Fiberglass Rods Just spent a nice Saturday fly fishing a local wildtrout area. The guy I went with was using a newfiberglass fly rod. I asked why he "went back" tofiberglass. He replied that he broke off too muchsetting the hook with his graphite rod. I offered tolet him use my cane rod, but he declined, he said hedidn't want to risk breaking it. He also said hedidn't think he could get used to the 5 ft. rod I wasusing, but I was amazed that graphite rods weregetting so stiff that breaking off setting the hookwas becoming a problem for some people. Is "softeraction" going to be the next marketing hype?Darryl Hayashida __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 18:52:47 2002 g2I0qk816937 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:52:46 -0600 Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:52:46 PST Subject: brian creek brian creek, email me. i seemed to have misplaced ypuraddress. timothy ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from HomeyDKlown@att.net Sun Mar 17 19:01:30 2002 g2I11T817314 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:01:30 - ;Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:01:24 +0000 Subject: RE: Fiberglass Rods Adam, Scott makes a nice little fiberglass rod in a four weight called a"Fibertouch". If you close your eyes you'll think you're casting a...nevrmind. [;-)] Dennis -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Fiberglass Rods I have been watching it come for a couple of years. You know the graphiteguys figured out if they made faster rods which can cast a mile in theparking lot they would sell a ton of them and they do. Now that many arefiguring out they are working to hard with those broomsticks, they arestarting to look for a smooth nice trout rod action of days gone by. I solda Winston fiberglass for $750 and a little Scott one for $550. They arecoming! Be ready! Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: Fiberglass Rods Just spent a nice Saturday fly fishing a local wildtrout area. The guy I went with was using a newfiberglass fly rod. I asked why he "went back" tofiberglass. He replied that he broke off too muchsetting the hook with his graphite rod. I offered tolet him use my cane rod, but he declined, he said hedidn't want to risk breaking it. He also said hedidn't think he could get used to the 5 ft. rod I wasusing, but I was amazed that graphite rods weregetting so stiff that breaking off setting the hookwas becoming a problem for some people. Is "softeraction" going to be the next marketing hype?Darryl Hayashida __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from mrc@mars.plala.or.jp Sun Mar 17 19:06:06 2002 g2I165817607 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:06:05 - id g2I160I13324; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:06:00 +0900 (JST) id KAA26451; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:05:58 +0900 (JST) Subject: Re: Signature Darryl, et al Even cane rod makers tend to recommend lineweights that are too light. How does this come? Just a food for a thought, I thought several probable reasons for this. Does this happen because glue thickness is making a rod one or two level(wt)fat while rodmakers are unknown of it? This topics are already known andwould begrand experimented soon. Though I'm not sure if this hits or not, rod design software might beusing line weight assumption of DT, or the unit weight in the software isjust averaging total weight of 30 ft AFTMA standard and apply it forthe total length of fishing. The line weight for 30ft of AFTMA may be the same between DT and WF.But when the line is casted more than 30ft, say 40ft or 60ft, the actualline weight, flying over, must be differentbecause of line taper. This difference may grade up a rod one level (wt)when one uses WF line. The following is one example of line weight calculations, where the unitweight after 30ft is differentiated;(the calculation below is about some percent heavier than AFTMA on 30ft,butwithin +- 6%)unit is in ounse. DT5 30ft 0.331 (AFTMA 0.320) DT5 60ft 0.781 from channer@frontier.net Sun Mar 17 19:10:12 2002 g2I1AB817888 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:10:11 - Subject: Re: Snake Brand tip Don; One of the sporting goods stores here in Durango is big on guns andbows, they carry pretty much the full line of Brownell's stuff and bothkinds of Accraglas.john Don Schneider wrote: John,Just curious, where did you get the Brass Black?Don----- Original Message -----From: "channer" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:05 AMSubject: Snake Brand tip Being the kind of person that just can't leave anything the way it came,I find myself touching up the toes on Snake Brand guides just a bit from channer@frontier.net Sun Mar 17 19:13:50 2002 g2I1Dn818138 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:13:50 - for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:13:57 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas Haryy;Isn't Dollyville, or Dollyland or whatever she calls it, in Branson? Ifit is, then I might consider it, she's the only country star(besidesWilly) that I can stand even a little bit.john Harry Boyd wrote: Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D.Campbell,the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If Iwent to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slip intoone of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask, 'Pleasemam,please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas theybroughtwith them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they brokeneitherone. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain HomeArkansas, oreven Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas isgoodenough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from bob@downandacross.com Sun Mar 17 19:13:54 2002 g2I1Dq818142 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:13:53 - Subject: RE: HI Larry:Schweibert listed it first as 8 and then 7 both WF. It also listed a sinkingGBF as a WF 9. Guess Reed and Olaf will have to shed some light on this one.It reminds me, I need to get my 8 WF silk ready for those May steelhead.Best regards,Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: RE: I've always considered that an 8WF. I thought the 7wts were all Hxx's? Larry Blan Larry: listed it first as 8 and then 7 both WF. It also listed a sinking GBF as = one. steelhead. regards,Bob BlanSent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:23 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: = Hxx's? Larry Blan = from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Sun Mar 17 19:41:45 2002 g2I1fi821171 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:41:44 - by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:34:13 -0500 Tony: I want to apologize to you for the problems you had yesterday trying to =dial into the radio station on the toll free number. Davy Wotten had =the same problems, and I was able to get through to him and have him =call in on his nickel. Yesterday was the last day we had before converting to the new area code =in VA. The toll free number is rolled over at the phone co. switch into =a local number that had the 540 area code in it instead of the new 276 =area code. Davy and I gave SowBug plenty of mentions, and I also apologized to you =on the air. I asked Davy to also express my apologies to you, which I =hope he had time to do so. My sincere apologies. Joe and a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bamboo Tony: I want to apologize to you for the problems you had = had the same problems, and I was able to get through to him and have him = on his nickel. Yesterday was the last day we had before converting= switch into a local number that had the 540 area code in it instead of = 276 area code. Davy and I gave SowBug plenty of mentions, and I = you, which I hope he had time to do so. My sincere apologies. Joe http://www.direct-pest.com/r= from caneman@clnk.com Sun Mar 17 20:12:16 2002 g2I2CE822087 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:12:15 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Las Vegas John,It's called Dollywood and I think it's somewhere in Tennessee... notsure... However, I think Willie has a place there now. If not, I'll let myhair grow back out, dye it red, wear a bandana and sing "Whiskey River" forya! LOL Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Las Vegas Haryy;Isn't Dollyville, or Dollyland or whatever she calls it, in Branson? Ifit is, then I might consider it, she's the only country star(besidesWilly) that I can stand even a little bit.john Harry Boyd wrote: Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern Baptist Convention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D. Campbell, the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If I went to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slip into one of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask, 'Please mam, please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas they brought with them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they broke neither one. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere near water. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain Home Arkansas, or even Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want to visit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able to scroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the Southern Baptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas is good enough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough for Bamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from TBOWDEN@halcyon.com Sun Mar 17 20:28:52 2002 g2I2So822598 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:28:50 - for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:28:43 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas How about Sturgis, South Dakota? Those Bikers might know something! from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Mar 17 20:47:30 2002 g2I2lT823306 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:47:29 - (authenticated) Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:47:26 -0800 Subject: Re: Las Vegas John, Nope, she's in either Gatlinburg or Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. And I'm a bigfan ofWillie as well. He'll be in concert here April 9, and I'm actually thinking ofgoingto my first concert in about 25 years. On the road again,Harry channer wrote: Haryy;Isn't Dollyville, or Dollyland or whatever she calls it, in Branson? Ifit is, then I might consider it, she's the only country star(besidesWilly) that I can stand even a little bit.john Harry Boyd wrote: Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D.Campbell,the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If Iwent to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slipintoone of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask,'Please mam,please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas theybroughtwith them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they brokeneitherone. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain HomeArkansas, oreven Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might wanttovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been abletoscroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas theSouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas isgoodenough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Mar 17 20:50:12 2002 g2I2oB823532 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:50:11 - (authenticated) Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:50:05 -0800 Subject: Re: Las Vegas Bob, This year at SRG if you can get Rick Crenshaw to pull out his guitar, andBiondo to open the doors to Unit 6 a little early, then I'll give you a wholeWillie Nelson Concert. I think I know the words to every song he ever did. Just a "Red Headed Stranger from Blue Rock, Montana"Harry PS -- I'm still pushing for Livingston Bob Nunley wrote: If not, I'll let myhair grow back out, dye it red, wear a bandana and sing "Whiskey River" forya! -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Mar 17 21:00:01 2002 g2I300823980 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:00:00 - User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: GBF Line Bob, One of my favorite topics, the impossibility of converting fromdiameters to weight. The early silk lines tended to have very short belly sections in the WFs. I have a GAF silk that is a very aggressive WF6, simply because of the short belly. Don't believe any of the charts or tables showing comparisons betweenold silk and PVC, just go to "The Practical Fly Fisherman" bu McClane and look at the differences in the silk tapers. You have an Ashaway GBF silk with a 6' level tip, a 4' front taper, a 15' belly, a 10' back taper, and 85' of running line. That means the first 30' (you don't include the level tip) would have only 15' of belly, that is not a heavy line. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Mar 17 21:00:06 2002 g2I305823997 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:00:05 - g2I303O05980 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:00:03 -0600 Joe, No apologies needed. Things happen and inthis case it was not your fault.I had to leave and was not there when you calledmy house. Davy did extend your apologies. Thanks list members there.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Bamboo Joe wrote: Tony: I want to apologize to you for theproblems you had yesterday trying to dial intothe radio station on the toll free number. DavyWotten had the same problems, and I was able toget through to him and have him call in on hisnickel. Yesterday was the last day we had beforeconverting to the new area code in VA. The tollfree number is rolled over at the phone co.switch into a local number that had the 540 areacode in it instead of the new 276 areacode. Davy and I gave SowBug plenty of mentions,and I also apologized to you on the air. Iasked Davy to also express my apologies to you,which I hope he had time to do so. My sincereapologies. Joe================================================= Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with aBamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a GreatLife". Visit my bambooflyrod site athttp://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Mar 17 21:02:20 2002 g2I32J824424 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:02:19 - g2I32HO06026 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:02:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Las Vegas You will have to do a lot of growing. Your hair was so short I did not evenknowwho you were.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Bob Nunley wrote: John,It's called Dollywood and I think it's somewhere in Tennessee... notsure... However, I think Willie has a place there now. If not, I'll let myhair grow back out, dye it red, wear a bandana and sing "Whiskey River" forya! LOL Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "channer" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:14 PMSubject: Re: Las Vegas Haryy;Isn't Dollyville, or Dollyland or whatever she calls it, in Branson? Ifit is, then I might consider it, she's the only country star(besidesWilly) that I can stand even a little bit.john Harry Boyd wrote: Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern Baptist Convention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D. Campbell, the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If I went to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slip into one of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask, 'Please mam, please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas they brought with them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they broke neither one. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere near water. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain Home Arkansas, or even Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want to visit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able to scroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the Southern Baptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegasis good enough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough for Bamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from canazon@mindspring.com Sun Mar 17 21:15:40 2002 g2I3Fd825061 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:15:39 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16mncV-0002OW-00; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:15:35 -0500 Subject: Re: mark and all,refer to the most recent issue of powerfibers. i finally got my =acrobot reader working, and can now download for the site. great job =mr. maulucci. as a silk line convert, i must say there was an =incredibly illuminating article on silk vs. nylon. and line weights. it =was quite interesting how the author, i can't remember his name --but i =will email you soon, defined the relationship between old rods and new =lines. what was listed as a gbf back then, a 7 or 8 weigh for silk, =could very easily require a heavier modern line, 8 or 9mike Hi, I was just given 3 lines. 2 NOS silk and 1 nylon. They are all =3 a gbf, but I can't cross this to a modern taper in my records. =Whithout pulling them apart, what do you guys think? Is this a weight = Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------=-----Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here mark and all, = must say there was an incredibly illuminating article on silk vs. = and line weights. it was quite interesting how the author, i can't = name --but i will email you soon, defined the relationship between old = new lines. what was listed as a gbf back then, a 7 or 8 weigh for silk, = very easily require a heavier modern line, 8 or 9 mike ----- Original Message ----- petrie Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 = PM Mark Here from canazon@mindspring.com Sun Mar 17 21:29:27 2002 g2I3TR825598 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:29:27 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16mnpn-0004Y9-00; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:29:19 -0500 Subject: Re: mark,check out =http://www.thebambooflyrod.com/old_lines_to_modern_lines.htm mike Hi, I was just given 3 lines. 2 NOS silk and 1 nylon. They are all =3 a gbf, but I can't cross this to a modern taper in my records. =Whithout pulling them apart, what do you guys think? Is this a weight = Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------=-----Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here mark, p://www.thebambooflyrod.com/old_lines_to_modern_lines.htm mike ----- Original Message ----- petrie Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 = PM Mark Here from bob@downandacross.com Sun Mar 17 21:48:31 2002 g2I3mU826251 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:48:30 - Subject: RE: GBF Line Hi Reed:Yes, I was befuddled just trying to look that one up. I got lost somewherearound the "Hedge 7 step taper line." Yikes.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: GBF Line Bob, One of my favorite topics, the impossibility of converting from diametersto weight. The early silk lines tended to have very short belly sectionsin the WFs. I have a GAF silk that is a very aggressive WF6, simplybecause of the short belly. Don't believe any of the charts or tables showingcomparisons between oldsilk and PVC, just go to "The Practical Fly Fisherman" bu McClane andlook at the differences in the silk tapers. You have an Ashaway GBF silkwith a 6' level tip, a 4' front taper, a 15' belly, a 10' back taper,and 85' of running line. That means the first 30' (you don't include thelevel tip) would have only 15' of belly, that is not a heavy line. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ from rsgould@cmc.net Sun Mar 17 21:58:43 2002 g2I3wh826664 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:58:43 - Subject: Re: Nickel Silver Hi notso,Nickel silver is genereally 18% nickel, 55-65% copper, 17-27% zincRay----- Original Message ----- Subject: Nickel Silver I was wondering what the alloy is that comprise the nickel silver used inferrules.ThanksNotso from canazon@mindspring.com Sun Mar 17 22:28:53 2002 g2I4Sq827706 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:28:52 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16molI-00089e-00; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:28:45 -0500 Subject: Re: real southern gathering ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: real southern gathering Mike,I think for me and Mike Roberts, the lack of success fishing wascentered around our Moisture Absorption Studies. Hard to tell, sometimes,if the fish are hitting the caddis on the left or the one on the right. bob,while you were "down under" or was it just plain, down under, there wasa lively discussion about the "grand experiment" at canadian cane (thank youall for a fine weekend). since the results were published, there has beenquite an interest in gathering information on a few subjects (dimensions,glue, blah, blah, blah ). BUT, i must confess, that i am totally blown away rodmakers sircles sinse the very begginning of our crafft. aand it may berywell be the most critical factor in taper design. there have been many, manydiscussions about discrepancies in tapers of the old masters. could M.A. bethe answer?we jave all been conserned about moisture in cane. what about themaker? i applaud you, and the others at the REAL srg, for having the courageto go where few makers of the modern era would trespass, moiwstureabsortion. bravo!i am still in favor of livingsome, mt. for a rodmakers gathering, and ithink we should do a study on M.A.. and i think we should select amichagander, not to denigrate any other group, but because theyparty-hardy, to head the experirment. and someone with experience atconducting experiments.with no results. john long, are you out there?-----you know i love ya! mike -------- as an addendum: bob, you sent me a taper about a year and a half ago. tookme a while to make my firtst (m.a. strikes again) rod. took it to a partytoday. had a few people test drive it.it's a corvette, baby! thanks from HalManas@aol.com Sun Mar 17 23:15:59 2002 g2I5Fw429011 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:15:58 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas List,Dollywood is in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. It is within a few miles of great fishing in the Great Smokey Mountains National Park as well as some fine tailwater fishing on the Clinch River just below the Norris Dam which is part of TVA. Great fishing, lots to do in the area - shopping, sports, etc. Dollywood is a theme park based on the area where Dolly Parton grew up. I've never been, but children seem to like it. The area has lots of good restaurants, but I'm not sure it is very centrally located. What this area does have is good Flyfishing. Hal from julielamb@iinet.net.au Mon Mar 18 00:48:38 2002 g2I6ma401175 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:48:36 - Subject: Re: real southern gathering There seems to be some confusion as to the meaning of "MoistureAbsorptionStudies". This is not the meaning of MA referred to below by Mike Canazon.Whilst one needs to be careful with the moisture content of cane, MikeRoberts & Bob, I would beleive are more relating to something similar towhat is called "Fluid Balance Studies", conducted on a Friday by Mike withfly fishing mates at the local Tavern in their lunch break. (Dinner).Mike Roberts has obviously turned Bob to the wicked ways of a WestAustralian. I'm suprised Bob made it home. Julie Lamb (Mikes' girlfriend) ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: real southern gathering ----- Original Message -----From: "Bob Nunley" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:44 PMSubject: Re: real southern gathering Mike,I think for me and Mike Roberts, the lack of success fishing wascentered around our Moisture Absorption Studies. Hard to tell, sometimes, if the fish are hitting the caddis on the left or the one on the right. bob,while you were "down under" or was it just plain, down under, there was a lively discussion about the "grand experiment" at canadian cane (thank you all for a fine weekend). since the results were published, there has beenquite an interest in gathering information on a few subjects (dimensions,glue, blah, blah, blah ). BUT, i must confess, that i am totally blown away rodmakers sircles sinse the very begginning of our crafft. aand it may bery well be the most critical factor in taper design. there have been many, many discussions about discrepancies in tapers of the old masters. could M.A. be the answer?we jave all been conserned about moisture in cane. what about themaker? i applaud you, and the others at the REAL srg, for having the courage to go where few makers of the modern era would trespass, moiwstureabsortion. bravo!i am still in favor of livingsome, mt. for a rodmakers gathering, and i think we should do a study on M.A.. and i think we should select amichagander, not to denigrate any other group, but because theyparty- hardy, to head the experirment. and someone with experience atconducting experiments.with no results. john long, are you out there?-----you know i love ya! mike -------- as an addendum: bob, you sent me a taper about a year and a half ago. took me a while to make my firtst (m.a. strikes again) rod. took it to a partytoday. had a few people test drive it.it's a corvette, baby! thanks from iank@ts.co.nz Mon Mar 18 00:57:02 2002 g2I6v1401531 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:57:01 - by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2I77w011940 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:07:58+1200 using -f by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2I77wF11936; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:07:58 +1200 using -f Subject: Re: real southern gathering Julie is right. Bob now has a whole new understanding of the Southernhemisphere defination of "browns" Ian There seems to be some confusion as to the meaning of "MoistureAbsorptionStudies". This is not the meaning of MA referred to below by MikeCanazon.Whilst one needs to be careful with the moisture content of cane, MikeRoberts & Bob, I would beleive are more relating to something similar towhat is called "Fluid Balance Studies", conducted on a Friday by Mike withfly fishing mates at the local Tavern in their lunch break. (Dinner).Mike Roberts has obviously turned Bob to the wicked ways of a WestAustralian. I'm suprised Bob made it home. Julie Lamb (Mikes' girlfriend) ----- Original Message -----From: mike canazon Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:27 PMSubject: Re: real southern gathering ----- Original Message -----From: "Bob Nunley" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:44 PMSubject: Re: real southern gathering Mike,I think for me and Mike Roberts, the lack of success fishing wascentered around our Moisture Absorption Studies. Hard to tell, sometimes, if the fish are hitting the caddis on the left or the one on the right. bob,while you were "down under" or was it just plain, down under, there was a lively discussion about the "grand experiment" at canadian cane (thank you all for a fine weekend). since the results were published, there has beenquite an interest in gathering information on a few subjects (dimensions,glue, blah, blah, blah ). BUT, i must confess, that i am totally blown away rodmakers sircles sinse the very begginning of our crafft. aand it may bery well be the most critical factor in taper design. there have been many, many discussions about discrepancies in tapers of the old masters. could M.A. be the answer?we jave all been conserned about moisture in cane. what about themaker? i applaud you, and the others at the REAL srg, for having the courage to go where few makers of the modern era would trespass, moiwstureabsortion. bravo!i am still in favor of livingsome, mt. for a rodmakers gathering, and i think we should do a study on M.A.. and i think we should select amichagander, not to denigrate any other group, but because theyparty- hardy, to head the experirment. and someone with experience atconducting experiments.with no results. john long, are you out there?-----you know i love ya! mike -------- as an addendum: bob, you sent me a taper about a year and a half ago. took me a while to make my firtst (m.a. strikes again) rod. took it to a partytoday. had a few people test drive it.it's a corvette, baby! thanks -- Tasman Solutions Ltd. Real People in Cyber Space http://www.ts.co.nz from ajthramer@hotmail.com Mon Mar 18 01:34:14 2002 Received: from Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:34:07 -0800 Received: from 206.102.29.245 bylw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:34:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.102.29.245] From: "Allen Thramer" rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Fiberglass Rods Date: Mon, 18 Mar format=flowed Message-ID: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Softer action already is thecurrent market hype, it started a few years ago. As to fiberglass, if therewas ANY doubt that the pricing structure of graphite rods is 98% marketinghype and out-n-out BS then the cost of the new glass rods should confirm it.If you can remember when fiberglass was head to head with cane, cane wonhands down in every category except the ability to put up with abuse andcost. Since the marketing geniuses at the plastic rod companies have neatlyeliminated the latter argument in favor, that leaves only the former. Any onewho doubts that cane casts and fishes better never asked a glass rod tocome up with 'just a little bit more' , it can't, the rod flattens out at acertain point and the rod turns to mush. A.J. From: Darryl Hayashida Subject: Fiberglass Rods Just spent a nice Saturday fly fishing a local wildtrout area. The guy I went with was using a newfiberglass fly rod. I asked why he "went back" tofiberglass. He replied that he broke off too muchsetting the hook with his graphite rod. I offered tolet him use my cane rod, but he declined, he said hedidn't want to risk breaking it. He also said hedidn't think he could get used to the 5 ft. rod I wasusing, but I was amazed that graphite rods weregetting so stiff that breaking off setting the hookwas becoming a problem for some people. Is "softeraction" going to be the next marketing hype?Darryl Hayashida __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from lblan@provide.net Mon Mar 18 03:59:29 2002 g2I9xS407686 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:59:28 - for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:59:26 - Subject: RE: Fiberglass Rods Interesting that they jumped right in at those prices too, as opposed tocoming out with 15 "new" versions of fiberglass and arriving at the price,ala graphite. What will they sell the boys next year? Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:34 AM Subject: Re: Fiberglass Rods Softer action already is the current market hype, it started a few yearsago. As to fiberglass, if there was ANY doubt that the pricingstructure ofgraphite rods is 98% marketing hype and out-n-out BS then the cost of thenew glass rods should confirm it. If you can remember when fiberglass washead to head with cane, cane won hands down in every category except theability to put up with abuse and cost. Since the marketinggeniuses at theplastic rod companies have neatly eliminated the latter argumentin favor,that leaves only the former. Any one who doubts that cane castsand fishesbetter never asked a glass rod to come up with 'just a little bitmore' , itcan't, the rod flattens out at a certain point and the rod turns to mush.A.J. From: Darryl Hayashida Subject: Fiberglass Rods Just spent a nice Saturday fly fishing a local wildtrout area. The guy I went with was using a newfiberglass fly rod. I asked why he "went back" tofiberglass. He replied that he broke off too muchsetting the hook with his graphite rod. I offered tolet him use my cane rod, but he declined, he said hedidn't want to risk breaking it. He also said hedidn't think he could get used to the 5 ft. rod I wasusing, but I was amazed that graphite rods weregetting so stiff that breaking off setting the hookwas becoming a problem for some people. Is "softeraction" going to be the next marketing hype?Darryl Hayashida __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from horsesho@ptd.net Mon Mar 18 04:18:06 2002 g2IAI6408121 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:18:06 - by uid 50002 with qmail-scanner-1.10 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4189. .Clear:0. Processed in 1.142352 secs); 18 Mar 2002 10:18:00 -0000 sender ) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Fiberglass Rods --------------040905050108030505000604 The finest plastic factory TROUT fly rods of all time are the Winston glass rods of years past (all except the recently introduced green 8' Stalker). Winston is reintroducing these rods this year and instead of the blanks being produced by Fisher they will be made "in house" at Winston. Also, the rods will be made in 3 pc. Scott is a pretty close second. Good rods for those rainy days!Marty Dennis Haftel wrote: Adam, Scott makes a nice little fiberglass rod in a four weight called a"Fibertouch". If you close your eyes you'll think you're casting a...nevrmind. [;-)] Dennis -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Fiberglass Rods I have been watching it come for a couple of years. You know the graphiteguys figured out if they made faster rods which can cast a mile in theparking lot they would sell a ton of them and they do. Now that many arefiguring out they are working to hard with those broomsticks, they arestarting to look for a smooth nice trout rod action of days gone by. I solda Winston fiberglass for $750 and a little Scott one for $550. They arecoming! Be ready! Adam----- Original Message -----From: "Darryl Hayashida" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 1:16 PMSubject: Fiberglass Rods Just spent a nice Saturday fly fishing a local wildtrout area. The guy I went with was using a newfiberglass fly rod. I asked why he "went back" tofiberglass. He replied that he broke off too muchsetting the hook with his graphite rod. I offered tolet him use my cane rod, but he declined, he said hedidn't want to risk breaking it. He also said hedidn't think he could get used to the 5 ft. rod I wasusing, but I was amazed that graphite rods weregetting so stiff that breaking off setting the hookwas becoming a problem for some people. Is "softeraction" going to be the next marketing hype?Darryl Hayashida __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ --------------040905050108030505000604 The finest plastic factory TROUT fly rods of all time are the Winston glassrods of years past (all except the recently introduced green 8' Stalker).Winston is reintroducing these rods this year and instead of the blanks beingproduced by Fisher they will be made "in house" at Winston. Also, the rodswill be made in 3 pc. Scott is a pretty close second. Good rods for thoserainy days! Dennis Haftel wrote: Adam,Scott makes a nice little fiberglass rod in afour weight called a"Fibertouch". If you close your eyes you'll thinkyou're casting a...nevrmind. ;-)Dennis-----OriginalMessage-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Adam VigilSent: Sunday, come for a couple of years. You know the graphiteguys figured out ifthey made faster rods which can cast a mile in theparking lot they wouldsell a ton of them and they do. Now that many arefiguring out they areworking to hard with those broomsticks, they arestarting to look for asmooth nice trout rod action of days gone by. I solda Winston fiberglass ready!Adam----- Original Message -----From: "Darryl Fiberglass Rods Just spent a nice Saturday fly fishing a local wildtroutarea. The guy I went with was using a newfiberglass fly rod. I asked whyhe "went back" tofiberglass. He replied that he broke off toomuchsetting the hook with his graphite rod. I offered tolet him usemy cane rod, but he declined, he said hedidn't want to risk breaking it.He also said hedidn't think he could get used to the 5 ft. rod Iwasusing, but I was amazed that graphite rods weregetting so stiffthat breaking off setting the hookwas becoming a problem for somepeople. Is "softeraction" going to be the next marketinghype?DarrylHayashida__________________________________________________DoYou Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ --------------040905050108030505000604-- from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Mar 18 05:30:25 2002 g2IBUN409033 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:30:24 - Subject: Re: Rod Tubes ajthramer@hotmail.com, Rod Makers List Serve We pulled up at the border and the customs guy poked his head in the car and asked where we were from. Reed told him two Canadians and one Aussie. At that the "beak" pointed to an area right near the office and told Reed to park there. It was here I thought the cavity search would be performed.We got out while a new customs guy sort of looked around and under the car. Being interested in what these guys get up to I was following him around the car asking questions like "are you targeting Aussies today" and suggestions like "nobody hides drugs under the car seats anymore" when he looked under them.He asked what all the tubes in the back of the car were. Reed told him they were rods. The "beak" reckoned there were a lot of rods for a fishing trip so Reed sort of explained the situation. I added there were no guns or anything, just to be helpful.I also suggested he ask the government to buy them some beagles like weuse here at airports. Those little buggers can sniff drugs and gun powder and it's residue from 20 feet. He sort of looked at me like I was a speck of phlegm and sent me into the big office.Reed was considering either striking camp or leaving me but I was only 5 mins getting my passport stamped and we were on our way.I found them extremely friendly compared with the NAZIs we have herethough the dogs are pretty friendly. Seeing what the Canadains were like I was wondering what would happen when the US guy wouldn't let me back in but I had an idea and suggested to Reed that when we were asked out nationalities I'd say "Aussie and these mad Iranians kidnaped me at gun point back at the Mexican border". Reed got a sort of serious look and told me to not even think about it and if I was to do anything other than answer questions I'd be left to walk home. A bit of advise to anybody traveling to Australia. The customs and agriculture guys here are pretty heavy so don't be tempted to think the checking counters are all manned by Paul Hogan types. If you try to bring in food or anything you have said you don't have in your incoming card you fill out on the plane before landing there is a very good chance of being caught. It's very common to search 100% of incoming planes regardless of what you have or haven't declared.There are also usually about 2-3 dogs checking baggage behind the scenes and 5 beagles sniffing claimed baggage and you see people being taken to the offices all the time at Sydney in particular.Last time I arrived at Sydney a business man looking type had hid baggage destroyed looking in seams etc in public and was searched there and then and arrested on the spot all based on a beagle picking something up on him which by the looks of things was found. Tony At 01:59 PM 3/16/02 -0500, Shawn Pineo wrote: Tony,you mean to tell me you snuck into Canada??? Hmmmm, I'll have to sendthose customs guys an more up to date photo of you, probably wouldn'thurt toslip them an extra $50 for that cavity search they promised. ;^)You should come further east on your Canadian trips! Beers better here! Shawn Tony Young wrote: Too bad we didn't have a big enough blanket while crossing the US/Canborder that day. I could have sat there with it over my head [:-)] Tony /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from rcrensha@midsouth.rr.com Mon Mar 18 05:43:40 2002 g2IBhd409393 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:43:39 - g2IBhP916564; Subject: Re: Las Vegas Start growing that hair out, Rev. I don't know if you can grow a ponytail pretty close resemblance by then. I think lots of tequila every day tillOctober should help with the wrinkles and put a touch of gravel in yourvoice. You might just make a fittin' Willie impersonator. We have lots ofElvis impersonators up here in the Bluff City. You don't have to have anynatural resemblance at all, as many of these sunglass wearing bags ofpolyester demonstrate each weekend.Rick----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Las Vegas Bob, This year at SRG if you can get Rick Crenshaw to pull out his guitar, and Biondo to open the doors to Unit 6 a little early, then I'll give you a whole Willie Nelson Concert. I think I know the words to every song he ever did. Just a "Red Headed Stranger from Blue Rock, Montana"Harry PS -- I'm still pushing for Livingston Bob Nunley wrote: If not, I'll let myhair grow back out, dye it red, wear a bandana and sing "Whiskey River" for ya! -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from rcurry@ttlc.net Mon Mar 18 07:31:21 2002 g2IDVK411300 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:31:20 - User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: GBF line mike, This table, like all others, assumes many things...that the lines have the same braiding pattern (tight or loose), the same varnish weight, the same S.G., and the same belly taper for each designation. Since, for example, the South Bend GBF had an 11' belly, the Gudebrod had a 15' belly, and the Newton had a 25' belly (all the same diameter)... the tables you support are going to be in error. You are saying that all of these lines, despite their differences in taper, will have the same weight for the first 30' (exclusive of front level tip). Please explain how this is so. Thanks. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ mike canazon wrote: mark, check outhttp://www.thebambooflyrod.com/old_lines_to_modern_lines.htm mike from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Mon Mar 18 08:33:15 2002 g2IEXE413792 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:33:14 - IAA03681 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:33:13 - IAA18068 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:33:13 - g2IEXBQ08731 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:33:11 - (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:33:11 -0800 Subject: Nat Gathering Seeing how I was the one who suggested and national gathering, I feeloffended that no body has suggested my home town and guessing I willprobably die of old age before anybody does, I will take the time to do itnow. Even though it's a stretch as far as traveling goes and the troutfishing really suck, the other things it has makes up for it. HonoluluHawaii. there it said it. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Mar 18 09:11:59 2002 g2IFBw416036 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:11:59 - Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:11:53 -0800 "Darryl Hayashida" ,"RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: Fiberglass Rods FILETIME=[3C6F8030:01C1CE8F] Fenwick also made two great glass rods that I remember. One was a 2 pc.=7 1/2 ft. 5 wt which was really sweet and also a 4 pc. 6 wt. that was a =rocket. Both of mine got broken... john----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Fiberglass Rods The finest plastic factory TROUT fly rods of all time are the Winston gla=ss rods of years past (all except the recently introduced green 8' Stalke=r). Winston is reintroducing these rods this year and instead of the blan=ks being produced by Fisher they will be made "in house" at Winston. Also=, the rods will be made in 3 pc. Scott is a pretty close second. Good rod=s for those rainy days!Marty O=ne was a 2 pc. 7 1/2 ft. 5 wt which was really sweet and also a 4 pc. 6 w= Fro=m: Marty D. Sent:Monday= HomeyDKlown@att.net Cc:Ada=m Vigil; dnhayashida@yahoo.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Fiberglass Rods&n=bsp;The finest plastic factory TROUT fly rods of all time are the W=inston glass rods of years past (all except the recently introduced green=8' Stalker). Winston is reintroducing these rods this year and instead o=f the blanks being produced by Fisher they will be made "in house" at Win=ston. Also, the rods will be made in 3 pc. Scott is a pretty close second= &= &nbs= from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Mar 18 09:18:45 2002 g2IFIi416518 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:18:44 - Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:18:39 -0800 Subject: Re: real southern gathering FILETIME=[2E6A3790:01C1CE90] I'm here, but I had my shot at experimenting--someone else's turn. My tu=rn to party. I think a whole new world of enlightenment awaits us for so=me serious research in guide spacing and the number of guides. I may do =that someday...... ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: real southern gathering There seems to be some confusion as to the meaning of "MoistureAbsorptio=nStudies". This is not the meaning of MA referred to below by Mike Canazo=n.Whilst one needs to be careful with the moisture content of cane, MikeRoberts & Bob, I would beleive are more relating to something similar towhat is called "Fluid Balance Studies", conducted on a Friday by Mike w=ithfly fishing mates at the local Tavern in their lunch break. (Dinner).Mike Roberts has obviously turned Bob to the wicked ways of a WestAustralian. I'm suprised Bob made it home. Julie Lamb (Mikes' girlfriend) ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: real southern gathering ----- Original Message -----From: "Bob Nunley" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:44 PMSubject: Re: real southern gathering Mike,I think for me and Mike Roberts, the lack of success fishing wascentered around our Moisture Absorption Studies. Hard to tell, sometimes, if the fish are hitting the caddis on the left or the one on the righ= t. bob,while you were "down under" or was it just plain, down under, there was a lively discussion about the "grand experiment" at canadian cane (than= kyou all for a fine weekend). since the results were published, there has b= een quite an interest in gathering information on a few subjects (dimension= s, glue, blah, blah, blah ). BUT, i must confess, that i am totally blown away rodmakers sircles sinse the very begginning of our crafft. aand it may bery well be the most critical factor in taper design. there have been many, many discussions about discrepancies in tapers of the old masters. could M.A= \.be the answer?we jave all been conserned about moisture in cane. what about themaker? i applaud you, and the others at the REAL srg, for having the courage to go where few makers of the modern era would trespass, moiwstureabsortion. bravo!i am still in favor of livingsome, mt. for a rodmakers gathering, a= ndi think we should do a study on M.A.. and i think we should select amichagander, not to denigrate any other group, but because theyparty- hardy, to head the experirment. and someone with experience atconducting experiments.with no results. john long, are you out there?-----you know i love ya! mike -------- as an addendum: bob, you sent me a taper about a year and a half ago. took me a while to make my firtst (m.a. strikes again) rod. took it to a par= ty today. had a few people test drive it.it's a corvette, baby! thanks I'm here,but = ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Lamb Sent: Monday,M= ro=dmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject= b=e some confusion as to the meaning of "MoistureAbsorptionStudies".&n=bsp; This is not the meaning of MA referred to below by Mike Canazon.= ikeRoberts & Bob, I would beleive are more relating to something = girlfriend)=----- Original Message -----From: mike canazon <canazon@mindspring= <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu&=gt;Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:27 PMSubject: Re: realsouthern= F= <rodmakers@wuga= Sub= Stu= under" = all= sins= the most critical factor in taper design. there have been jave = m=aker? i applaud you, and the others at the REAL srg, for having theco= mo= st=ill in favor of livingsome, mt. for a rodmakers gathering, andi&g= because&nbs= ex= = t= from lblan@provide.net Mon Mar 18 09:28:02 2002 g2IFS2417178 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:28:02 - with HTTP id 15256207 for ; Mon, 18 Mar2002 10:27:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Fiberglass Rods I still have one of those 7 1/2' 5 wts with original bagand plastice case. It is a nice little rod. Larry Blan On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:09:33 -0500"John Long" wrote: Fenwick also made two great glass rods that I remember.One was a 2 pc. 7 1/2 ft. 5 wt which was really sweetand also a 4 pc. 6 wt. that was a rocket. Both of minegot broken... john----- Original Message -----From: Marty D.Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 5:44 AM Cc: Adam Vigil; dnhayashida@yahoo.com;rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Fiberglass RodsThe finest plastic factory TROUT fly rods of all time arethe Winston glass rods of years past (all except therecently introduced green 8' Stalker). Winston isreintroducing these rods this year and instead of theblanks being produced by Fisher they will be made "inhouse" at Winston. Also, the rods will be made in 3 pc.Scott is a pretty close second. Good rods for thoserainy days!Marty from tausfeld@frontiernet.net Mon Mar 18 09:34:52 2002 g2IFYo417767 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:34:50 - 0000 sender ) "RodmakersPost" Subject: Re: real southern gathering John, I try to keep the number of guides to a minimum. Ideally one, two =tops...., but most of the time I don't use any. As you know guides can =be very opinionated and having two would just create tension. When a =hatch comes up they will be too busy arguing amoungst eachother as to =which fly to use, leaving you there to fend for yourself. As for =spacing, try to keep them apart as far as possible, and out of the way =of your back cast.Hope that helps ; ) tom Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:16 AMSubject: Re: real southern gathering I'm here, but I had my shot at experimenting--someone else's turn. My =turn to party. I think a whole new world of enlightenment awaits us for =some serious research in guide spacing and the number of guides. I may =do that someday...... ----- Original Message -----From: Julie LambSent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:50 AM Subject: Re: real southern gathering There seems to be some confusion as to the meaning of "Moisture =AbsorptionStudies". This is not the meaning of MA referred to below by Mike =Canazon.Whilst one needs to be careful with the moisture content of cane, =MikeRoberts & Bob, I would beleive are more relating to something =similar towhat is called "Fluid Balance Studies", conducted on a Friday by =Mike withfly fishing mates at the local Tavern in their lunch break. =(Dinner).Mike Roberts has obviously turned Bob to the wicked ways of a WestAustralian. I'm suprised Bob made it home. Julie Lamb (Mikes' girlfriend) ----- Original Message -----From: mike canazon Subject: Re: real southern gathering ----- Original Message -----From: "Bob Nunley" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:44 PMSubject: Re: real southern gathering Mike,I think for me and Mike Roberts, the lack of success fishing =wascentered around our Moisture Absorption Studies. Hard to tell,sometimes,if the fish are hitting the caddis on the left or the one on the =right. bob,while you were "down under" or was it just plain, down under, =therewasa lively discussion about the "grand experiment" at canadian cane =(thankyouall for a fine weekend). since the results were published, there =has beenquite an interest in gathering information on a few subjects =(dimensions,glue, blah, blah, blah ). BUT, i must confess, that i am totally =blownaway innrodmakers sircles sinse the very begginning of our crafft. aand it =mayberywell be the most critical factor in taper design. there have been =many,manydiscussions about discrepancies in tapers of the old masters. =could M.A.bethe answer?we jave all been conserned about moisture in cane. what about =themaker? i applaud you, and the others at the REAL srg, for having =thecourageto go where few makers of the modern era would trespass, moiwstureabsortion. bravo!i am still in favor of livingsome, mt. for a rodmakers =gathering, andithink we should do a study on M.A.. and i think we should select =amichagander, not to denigrate any other group, but because theyparty-hardy, to head the experirment. and someone with experience =atconducting experiments.with no results. john long, are you out =there?-----you know i love ya! mike -------- as an addendum: bob, you sent me a taper about a year and a half =ago.tookme a while to make my firtst (m.a. strikes again) rod. took it to =a partytoday. had a few people test drive it.it's a corvette, baby! thanks John, I try to keep the number of guides to a = you know guides can be very opinionated and having two would just create = eachother as to which fly to use, leaving you there to fend for = As for spacing, try to keep them apart as far as possible, and out of = your back cast. tom ----- Original Message ----- John = Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 = AM gathering I'm here, but I had my shot at experimenting--someone else's = may do that someday...... ----- Original Message ----- Julie LambSent: Monday, March 18, 2002 = AM gathering referred to below by Mike Canazon.Whilst one needs to be careful = beleive are more relating to something similar towhat is = Message -----From: mike canazon = = fish are hitting the caddis on the left or the one on the = = = with no = = from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Mar 18 09:35:39 2002 g2IFZc417922 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:35:38 - Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:35:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Las Vegas FILETIME=[85E307C0:01C1CE92] Somebody mentioned Dollywood......I always thought it was in the Tetons. = ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Las Vegas Larry,I consulted a map and it appears that Cedar Rapids, IA is much morecentral. However, I was thinking that somewhere in Wisconsin (there isno Sin in Wisconsin) we might find an amenable spot. After all, Mtn.Home is already a noted gathering site, some variety would be nice.Perhaps there are rodmakers in the Chicago area that could coordinatethe gathering. (Hint, hint)WI is fairly geographically central to major U.S. population centers;heck, we might even get folks driving over from Ontario and Manitoba, aswell.Just a thought.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Larry Blan wrote: Hmmm... considering the amount of planning involved, Mountain Homemigh= t not be a bad choice. The group is already familiar with the area, which isreally necessary in terms of planning something worthwhile. It isn't a = one man job, and we have a few members who know the ins and outs downthere= . It isn't completely central, but it's not that far off. Larry Blan Somebodymenti= consulted = a map and it appears that Cedar Rapids, IA is much morecentral.Howev=er, I was thinking that somewhere in Wisconsin (there isno Sin in Wis=consin) we might find an amenable spot. After all, Mtn.Home is alread=y a noted gathering site, some variety would be nice.Perhaps there ar=e rodmakers in the Chicago area that could coordinatethe gathering. (=Hint, hint)WI is fairly geographically central to major U.S. populati=on centers;heck, we might even get folks driving over from Ontario an=d Manitoba, aswell.Just a thought.Bestregards,Reedht= Hmmm... c=onsidering the amount of planning involved, Mountain Home mightnot&g=t; be a bad choice. The group is already familiar with the area, which is= an= Blan from ttalsma@macatawa.org Mon Mar 18 09:39:54 2002 g2IFdr418449 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:39:53 - id ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:32:23 -0500 id F563CNQT; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:32:20 -0500 RodmakersPost Subject: Re: Las Vegas No John, THOSE are the attractions at Dollywood! --Somebody mentioned Dollywood......I always thought it was in theTetons. Where was my mind??? -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from lblan@provide.net Mon Mar 18 09:46:08 2002 Received: from provide.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5.2) with HTTP id 15257765 for; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:46:07 -0500 From: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.2 Tom; you allude to the "Guide Rules", but failed to mention them. Ref:http://www.curro.net/Tbbqv/sam/guide.htm Larry Blan On Mon, 18 Mar2002 10:34:56 -0500 "Jill and Tom Ausfeld" wrote: John, I try to keep the number of guides to a minimum. Ideallyone, two tops...., but most of the time I don't use any.As you know guides can be very opinionated and havingtwo would just create tension. When a hatch comes upthey will be too busy arguing amoungst eachother as towhich fly to use, leaving you there to fend foryourself. As for spacing, try to keep them apart as faras possible, and out of the way of your back cast.Hope that helps ; ) tom----- Original Message ----- From: John Long Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:16 AMSubject: Re: real southern gathering I'm here, but I had my shot at experimenting--someoneelse's turn. My turn to party. I think a whole newworld of enlightenment awaits us for some seriousresearch in guide spacing and the number of guides. Imay do that someday...... john ----- Original Message -----From: Julie LambSent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:50 AM Subject: Re: real southern gathering There seems to be some confusion as to the meaning of"Moisture AbsorptionStudies". This is not the meaning of MA referred tobelow by Mike Canazon.Whilst one needs to be careful with the moisturecontent of cane, MikeRoberts & Bob, I would beleive are more relating tosomething similar towhat is called "Fluid Balance Studies", conductedon a Friday by Mike withfly fishing mates at the local Tavern in theirlunch break. (Dinner).Mike Roberts has obviously turned Bob to the wickedways of a WestAustralian. I'm suprised Bob made it home. Julie Lamb (Mikes' girlfriend) ----- Original Message -----From: mike canazon Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:27 PMSubject: Re: real southern gathering ----- Original Message -----From: "Bob Nunley" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:44 PMSubject: Re: real southern gathering Mike,I think for me and Mike Roberts, the lack ofsuccess fishing wascentered around our Moisture Absorption Studies.Hard to tell,sometimes,if the fish are hitting the caddis on the left orthe one on the right. bob,while you were "down under" or was it justplain, down under, therewasa lively discussion about the "grand experiment" atcanadian cane (thankyouall for a fine weekend). since the results werepublished, there has beenquite an interest in gathering information on a fewsubjects (dimensions,glue, blah, blah, blah ). BUT, i must confess,that i am totally blownaway tosssed around innrodmakers sircles sinse the very begginning of ourcrafft. aand it mayberywell be the most critical factor in taper design.there have been many,manydiscussions about discrepancies in tapers of theold masters. could M.A.bethe answer?we jave all been conserned about moisture incane. what about themaker? i applaud you, and the others at the REALsrg, for having thecourageto go where few makers of the modern era wouldtrespass, moiwstureabsortion. bravo!i am still in favor of livingsome, mt. for arodmakers gathering, andithink we should do a study on M.A.. and i think weshould select amichagander, not to denigrate any other group, butbecause theyparty-hardy, to head the experirment. and someonewith experience atconducting experiments.with no results. john long, areyou out there?-----you know i love ya! mike -------- as an addendum: bob, you sent me a taper about ayear and a half ago.tookme a while to make my firtst (m.a. strikes again)rod. took it to a partytoday. had a few people test drive it.it's a corvette, baby! thanks from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Mon Mar 18 09:47:33 2002 g2IFlW419463 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:47:32 - Subject: RE: Las Vegas Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools If we go to Dollywood, she must be present, interesting experiment wouldbe to see how many cane rods she can hold without using her hands!! Pete -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Las Vegas No John, THOSE are the attractions at Dollywood! --Somebody mentioned Dollywood......I always thought it was in the Tetons.Where was my mind??? -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from avyoung@iinet.net.au Mon Mar 18 09:53:53 2002 Received: from g2IFrp420267 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 2002 15:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) 0000 Message-Id:X-Sender:avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 , , "RodmakersPost"From: Tony Young References: avyoung@iinet.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Younever have two compass on a boat, you either have one or three. You reallydon't need to have two compass in disagreement at a bad time. TY At 10:34AM 3/18/02 -0500, Jill and Tom Ausfeld wrote: John, I try to keep the number of guides to a minimum. Ideally one, two tops...., but most of the time I don't use any. As you know guides can be very opinionated and having two would just create tension. When a hatch comes up they will be too busy arguing amoungst eachother as to which fly to use, leaving you there to fend for yourself. As for spacing, try to keep them apart as far as possible, and out of the way of your back cast.Hope that helps ; ) tom ----- Original Message -----From: John Long RodmakersPostSent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:16 AMSubject: Re: real southern gathering I'm here, but I had my shot at experimenting--someone else's turn. My turn to party. I think a whole new world of enlightenment awaits us for some serious research in guide spacing and the number of guides. I may do that someday...... john ----- Original Message -----From: Julie LambSent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:50 AM Subject: Re: real southern gathering There seems to be some confusion as to the meaning of "MoistureAbsorptionStudies". This is not the meaning of MA referred to below by MikeCanazon.Whilst one needs to be careful with the moisture content of cane, MikeRoberts & Bob, I would beleive are more relating to something similar towhat is called "Fluid Balance Studies", conducted on a Friday by Mikewithfly fishing mates at the local Tavern in their lunch break. (Dinner).Mike Roberts has obviously turned Bob to the wicked ways of a WestAustralian. I'm suprised Bob made it home. Julie Lamb (Mikes' girlfriend) ----- Original Message -----From: mike canazon Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:27 PMSubject: Re: real southern gathering ----- Original Message -----From: "Bob Nunley" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:44 PMSubject: Re: real southern gathering Mike,I think for me and Mike Roberts, the lack of success fishing wascentered around our Moisture Absorption Studies. Hard to tell, sometimes, if the fish are hitting the caddis on the left or the one on the right. bob,while you were "down under" or was it just plain, down under, there was a lively discussion about the "grand experiment" at canadian cane(thank you all for a fine weekend). since the results were published, there has been quite an interest in gathering information on a few subjects(dimensions,glue, blah, blah, blah ). BUT, i must confess, that i am totally blown away rodmakers sircles sinse the very begginning of our crafft. aand it may bery well be the most critical factor in taper design. there have been many, many discussions about discrepancies in tapers of the old masters. couldM.A. be the answer?we jave all been conserned about moisture in cane. what about themaker? i applaud you, and the others at the REAL srg, for having the courage to go where few makers of the modern era would trespass, moiwstureabsortion. bravo!i am still in favor of livingsome, mt. for a rodmakers gathering, and i think we should do a study on M.A.. and i think we should select amichagander, not to denigrate any other group, but because theyparty- hardy, to head the experirment. and someone with experience atconducting experiments.with no results. john long, are you out there?-----you know i love ya! mike -------- as an addendum: bob, you sent me a taper about a year and a halfago. took me a while to make my firtst (m.a. strikes again) rod. took it to apartytoday. had a few people test drive it.it's a corvette, baby! thanks /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from canazon@mindspring.com Mon Mar 18 10:05:28 2002 g2IG5R421244 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:05:27 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16mzdM-00059Z-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:05:16 -0500 Subject: Re: GBF line reed,i am not any kind of an authority on silk lines. i merely pointed markto the site as a source of information. i assumed he had already been toyour site.mike : "Reed Curry" Subject: Re: GBF line mike,This table, like all others, assumes many things...that the lines havethe same braiding pattern (tight or loose), the same varnish weight, thesame S.G., and the same belly taper for each designation. Since, forexample, the South Bend GBF had an 11' belly, the Gudebrod had a 15'belly, and the Newton had a 25' belly (all the same diameter)... thetables you support are going to be in error. You are saying that all ofthese lines, despite their differences in taper, will have the sameweight for the first 30' (exclusive of front level tip). Please explainhow this is so. Thanks. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ mike canazon wrote: mark, check out http://www.thebambooflyrod.com/old_lines_to_modern_lines.htm mike from bluefin_1999@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 10:07:07 2002 g2IG76421477 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:07:06 - 18 Mar 2002 08:07:06 PST Subject: Re: Las Vegas If you are going to have it in Vegas why not just comeon up to Reno and be able to fish Pyramid Lake for theHUGE Lahontan Cutthroats or all the other numerousfishing spots around here. Maybe you should get out amap of the area. Later --- Davidhray wrote: I have to disagree about Harry being able to go toVegas the Southern Baptist had a national convention there a few yearsago. It Vegas is good enough for a Baptist National Convention it shouldbe good enough for Bamboo rod building. If we have our casting a littleout of town there will no trees to get in the way. David H. Ray ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system(http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - ReleaseDate: 3/14/02 __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from rmoon@ida.net Mon Mar 18 10:07:41 2002 g2IG7e421607 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:07:40 - RodmakersPost Subject: Re: Las Vegas I don't have to live in Dollywood. I just look out my bedroom window,C'est la vie.Ralph Todd Talsma wrote: No John, THOSE are the attractions at Dollywood! --Somebody mentioned Dollywood......I always thought it was in theTetons. Where was my mind??? --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from mrmac@tcimet.net Mon Mar 18 10:43:16 2002 g2IGhF423713 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:43:15 - helo=tcimet.net) id 16n0E0-0006fQ-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:43:09 -0800 Subject: Sanding allowance? A friend working on his first rod may have a new 3 wt rather than the 5wt he was originally hoping for. In reviewing the difference betweenwhat he targeted and what he got, the question came up of how muchshould you allow for sanding when cleaning up the glue, and/or removingenamel? In the WC book, I think he recommends something like going.001" or .002" over on strips, stopping at the thin haze when removingenamel prior to final planing. What do you guys do - do you leaveenamel, or remove it all, or what? If you leave all of the enamelprior to final planing, how much allowance do you need to allow? Iallow around .002" glue cleanup and sanding, but I take enamel and hazeoff before final planing. Needless to say, he took a little more than that. [;-)] I told him, though, it's *still* a flyrod....... mac from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Mar 18 10:58:10 2002 g2IGw5424865 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:58:06 - for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:57:47 - MAILINID101-0318115747; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:57:47 -0500 Subject: Scraper blade angles I've been doing more playing around with scrapers of late, and remain a bitconfused as to the optimum blade angles. The Lie Nielson 212 comes with a65* angle, mounted with the bevel to the rear. This seems to work fine. TheKunz 112 comes with a 45* angle, mounted bevel forward. That doesn't workat all, unless you roll a slight burr forward on the edge, and then it worksfine. I have also tried a 90* angle on the Kunz, which works fine if you tilt theblade about 20* off vertical. Everything I have tried so far cuts the canewell, but tends to leave the edges of the strips a bit fuzzy. I have a feelingI'm reinventing the wheel here, and wonder if anyone has an opinion for theoptimum setup for our purposes. from rcurry@ttlc.net Mon Mar 18 11:00:09 2002 g2IH08425189 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:00:09 - User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: GBF line mike, I'm not putting myself forward as an authority on silk lines, either. I just get frustrated when the comparison tables are pulled out. They are utter nonsense, especially as regards WF lines. You happened to be the one to refer to one of these tables, this time; no offense intended. A table that might be of interest to the advocates of these tables is the table of Specific Gravity of silk lines as produced by different manufacturers. This is found in John Alden Knight's "Field Book of Fresh-Water Angling" (a good read). Again, I'm sorry if I offended you, that was not my intent.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ mike canazon wrote: reed,i am not any kind of an authority on silk lines. i merely pointed markto the site as a source of information. i assumed he had already been toyour site.mike : "Reed Curry" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 7:35 AMSubject: Re: GBF line mike,This table, like all others, assumes many things...that the lines havethe same braiding pattern (tight or loose), the same varnish weight, thesame S.G., and the same belly taper for each designation. Since, forexample, the South Bend GBF had an 11' belly, the Gudebrod had a 15'belly, and the Newton had a 25' belly (all the same diameter)... thetables you support are going to be in error. You are saying that all ofthese lines, despite their differences in taper, will have the sameweight for the first 30' (exclusive of front level tip). Please explainhow this is so. Thanks. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- > from dryfly@erols.com Mon Mar 18 11:08:11 2002 Received: from g2IH8A425868 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 240.s240.tnt1.bltm.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.202.240] helo=erols.com) 00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:08:10 -0500 Message-ID:Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:53:25 -0800 allowance? References: Content-Type: dryfly@erols.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ...andhow much of the glue clean up/sanding is offset by glue thickness? RalphMacKenzie wrote: A friend working on his first rod may have a new 3 wt rather than the 5wt he was originally hoping for. In reviewing the difference betweenwhat he targeted and what he got, the question came up of how muchshould you allow for sanding when cleaning up the glue, and/or removingenamel? In the WC book, I think he recommends something like going.001" or .002" over on strips, stopping at the thin haze when removingenamel prior to final planing. What do you guys do - do you leaveenamel, or remove it all, or what? If you leave all of the enamelprior to final planing, how much allowance do you need to allow? Iallow around .002" glue cleanup and sanding, but I take enamel and hazeoff before final planing. Needless to say, he took a little more than that. [;-)] I told him, though, it's *still* a flyrod....... mac from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Mon Mar 18 11:15:14 2002 g2IHFD426504 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:15:13 - pri.pacificare.com 2002 17:19:27 UT (Tumbleweed ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:14:38 -0800 Subject: RE: GBF line The only way it has ever made sense to me is to weigh the first 30 feet ofthe line. Grain scales can be bought fairly cheaply from sporting goodsstores that sell reloading supplies. You can even order them online fromCabela'sDarryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:05 AM Cc: parataper@hotmail.com; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: GBF line mike, I'm not putting myself forward as an authority on silk lines,either. I just get frustrated when the comparison tables are pulled out. They are utter nonsense, especially as regards WF lines. You happened to be the one to refer to one of these tables, this time; no offense intended. A table that might be of interest to the advocates of these tables is the table of Specific Gravity of silk lines as produced by different manufacturers. This is found in John Alden Knight's "Field Book of Fresh-Water Angling" (a good read).Again, I'm sorry if I offended you, that was not my intent.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ mike canazon wrote: reed,i am not any kind of an authority on silk lines. i merely pointed mark to the site as a source of information. i assumed he had already been toyour site.mike : "Reed Curry" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 7:35 AMSubject: Re: GBF line mike,This table, like all others, assumes many things...that the lines havethe same braiding pattern (tight or loose), the same varnish weight, thesame S.G., and the same belly taper for each designation. Since, forexample, the South Bend GBF had an 11' belly, the Gudebrod had a 15'belly, and the Newton had a 25' belly (all the same diameter)... thetables you support are going to be in error. You are saying that all ofthese lines, despite their differences in taper, will have the sameweight for the first 30' (exclusive of front level tip). Please explainhow this is so. Thanks. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from rsgould@cmc.net Mon Mar 18 11:39:30 2002 g2IHdT427925 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:39:29 -0600 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:39:24 -0800 Subject: Genesse Valley Hi to all,A friend of mine has just obtained a rod made by the Genessee Valley Rod =Co. of Portageville, N.Y. Can anyone provide some information about =this company, if it still exists and who the builder might be. I know =some of the builders but don't have their company names.Ray Hi to all,A friend of mine has just obtained a = information about this company, if it still exists and who the builder = I know some of the builders but don't have their company =names.Ray from caneman@clnk.com Mon Mar 18 12:09:34 2002 g2II9Y429972 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:09:34 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Genesse Valley I thought that sounded familiar. It's Joe Perrigo from NY. Joe is on =the list still, I believe, although I haven't heard anything from him =lately. His website address is =http://www.geneseevalleyrods.com/joesweb001.htm and his email addy is =eastkoyfly@aol.com . Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com Subject: Genesse Valley Hi to all,A friend of mine has just obtained a rod made by the Genessee Valley =Rod Co. of Portageville, N.Y. Can anyone provide some information about =this company, if it still exists and who the builder might be. I know =some of the builders but don't have their company names.Ray . Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- Ray =Gould = Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 = AMSubject: Genesse Valley Hi to all,A friend of mine has just obtained a = some information about this company, if it still exists and who the = names.Ray from ttalsma@macatawa.org Mon Mar 18 12:23:27 2002 g2IINQ400761 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:23:26 - id ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:16:06 -0500 id F563CN46; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:16:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Sanding allowance? How about if we get the responses to this on the list? Please, I'd liketo add the topic to the tips archive. Ralph MacKenzie wrote: A friend working on his first rod may have a new 3 wt rather than the 5wt he was originally hoping for. In reviewing the difference betweenwhat he targeted and what he got, the question came up of how muchshould you allow for sanding when cleaning up the glue, and/or removingenamel? In the WC book, I think he recommends something like going.001" or .002" over on strips, stopping at the thin haze when removingenamel prior to final planing. What do you guys do - do you leaveenamel, or remove it all, or what? If you leave all of the enamelprior to final planing, how much allowance do you need to allow? Iallow around .002" glue cleanup and sanding, but I take enamel and hazeoff before final planing. Needless to say, he took a little more than that. [;-)] I told him, though, it's *still* a flyrod....... mac -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from rmoon@ida.net Mon Mar 18 13:20:29 2002 Received: from ida.net 0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ida.net) (208.141.176.36) by Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:20:36 -0700 ttalsma@macatawa.org CC: Rodmakers List Subject: Re: Sanding allowance? References: Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Todda strip when completed should be an equilateral triangle. If the enamel is notremoved before final planing you will end up with an arc on the base, andwhen the arc is removed, you will be off on your target measurement. Iscrape before final planing.Ralph Todd Talsma wrote: How about if we get the responses to this on the list? Please, I'd liketo add the topic to the tips archive. Ralph MacKenzie wrote: A friend working on his first rod may have a new 3 wt rather than the 5wt he was originally hoping for. In reviewing the difference betweenwhat he targeted and what he got, the question came up of how muchshould you allow for sanding when cleaning up the glue, and/or removingenamel? In the WC book, I think he recommends something like going.001" or .002" over on strips, stopping at the thin haze when removingenamel prior to final planing. What do you guys do - do you leaveenamel, or remove it all, or what? If you leave all of the enamelprior to final planing, how much allowance do you need to allow? Iallow around .002" glue cleanup and sanding, but I take enamel and hazeoff before final planing. Needless to say, he took a little more than that. [;-)] I told him, though, it's *still* a flyrod....... mac --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from Grnmtrds@aol.com Mon Mar 18 15:43:02 2002 g2ILh2416721 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:43:02 - for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:42:53 - Subject: Las vegas We ought to get B. Nunley to contact Willie and see if we could have a gathering right at his ranch. Jim/VT. from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Mon Mar 18 16:26:04 2002 g2IMQ3419423 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:26:03 - Subject: Re: Las vegas didn't irs get the ranch? ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Las vegas We ought to get B. Nunley to contact Willie and see if we could have a gathering right at his ranch. Jim/VT. from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Mon Mar 18 17:34:22 2002 g2INYL423084 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:34:21 - (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:34:01 - (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:18:32 -0600 Subject: RE: On the road again! Well, I just returned from the Sowbug myself. Rolled into Bellville TX at2:20 this morning. Had to be to work by 7:30 (insert big yawn here). Whata great event. Tony and the North Arkansas Fly Fishers put on anoutstanding tying festival. And there were other pertinent presentationssuch as Bob's excellent cane rodmaking overview, Skip Shorb'sdemonstrationof furled leader construction, and so forth. I don't know if a fly existsthat wasn't tied somewhere in the Ramada atrium. My only regret is that Ihave not been attending since the beginning. Hat is off to Tony for awell-organized, educational, and fun tying festival! Also, thanks for theinvite to your shop. Sorry I got a little wrapped up in the fishing Sundaymorning. You can bet next time, I will stop by and check it out! Unfortunately all the dams were generating at or near full flow. Thefishing was quite good despite the high water, and Bob and I caught somenice ones. Hopefully a few photos will be posted soon at the R.L. Nunleywebsite.... Also met Kurt, Brad, and Dennis Conrad for the first time, andshared some food, drink, and lies with M-D and Mr. Harley Davidson. Thebamboo-ferruled 704 Nunley subdued a very nice 2-1/2# brownie on Fridaymorning, in the pitch black. Lots of others too. That is one very sweetcasting rod, if I haven't said so before... Tony, please put my name on the list to tie again next year! Best regards-- TAM -----Original Message----- Subject: On the road again! Well, jet lag is still pounding on me pretty hard, but I'm about to leave onthis email. For those of you that live there, or that have your laptopswith you and are checking email, I'll be at the Ramada Inn at about 5:30 or6:00 pm. I would greatly appreciate it if one of you could have a nice coldbeer waiting when I get there. Sitting in a car driving hard for 4 hours istough on my old knees and back (that's my sympathy ploy to get the beer)andit's a well known fact that barley and hops mixed with other fine grains,will ease the pain of arthritis! (result of mulitple Moisture AbsorptionStudies done by myself, M-D, Mike Biondo, Dennis H., the Preacher and manyothers at the SRG2001 and continued by me and the attendees of the RealSRG2002 in NZ last week) *S* See you all there later, Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from mslenarz@uslink.net Mon Mar 18 17:41:21 2002 g2INfK423579 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:41:20 - g2INfLF17393 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:41:21 - Subject: How soon can I try them out? After several years of planning and collecting the tools, I made myfirst two cane rods this winter. I thoroughly enjoyed the process and Iplan to make more rods next winter. Both of the books that I read onthe subject say that you need to let the varnish cure for 3 to 6 monthsbefore taking them stream side. I live in northern Minnesota and therehasn't been too much temptation to try any casting with snow on theground. Now it is spring time and the snow is melting fast. Will Ithoroughly screw things up if I take a few casts on the lawn (once itappears)? Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mark Lenarzmslenarz@uslink.com from horsesho@ptd.net Mon Mar 18 17:54:40 2002 g2INse424238 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:54:40 - by uid 50002 with qmail-scanner-1.10 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4191. .Clear:0. Processed in 0.705218 secs); 18 Mar 2002 23:54:39 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Goodby for now Hi List, I am going in the Hospital tomorrow for a test and having surgery scheduled for Wed. I am having Heart surgery to repair/replace a defective Mitril heart valve. It is something that was being watched for the past 17 years. This list and you guys have been great for keeping my mind occupied for the last few months while getting prepared for this. I am dropping off the list for a few weeks and "God Willing" will be back on after that. Take care all, Marty from bob@downandacross.com Mon Mar 18 18:08:52 2002 g2J08p424908 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:08:51 - Subject: RE: How soon can I try them out? Oh God. I may be an idiot (no comments), but I would have already fishedthem after the first two weeks! Have no fear. The worst that will happen isyou will break one on a big fish or catching a tree on the back cast. If youwere doing anything more than drying them at room temp (a drying cabinetwould be fine), you should have a decent cured finish. I usually test castthem before varnishing so that I can tape the guides on and not worryvarnishing a lousy rod.Best regards,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: How soon can I try them out? After several years of planning and collecting the tools, I made myfirst two cane rods this winter. I thoroughly enjoyed the process and Iplan to make more rods next winter. Both of the books that I read onthe subject say that you need to let the varnish cure for 3 to 6 monthsbefore taking them stream side. I live in northern Minnesota and therehasn't been too much temptation to try any casting with snow on theground. Now it is spring time and the snow is melting fast. Will Ithoroughly screw things up if I take a few casts on the lawn (once itappears)? Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mark Lenarzmslenarz@uslink.com from channer@frontier.net Mon Mar 18 18:19:17 2002 g2J0JG425457 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:19:17 - for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:19:23 - Subject: Re: Sanding allowance? Ralph;Take it off, take it off, take it all off! Before you get the stripsdown to the forms.(sorry,couldn't help myself)john Ralph MacKenzie wrote: A friend working on his first rod may have a new 3 wt rather than the 5wt he was originally hoping for. In reviewing the difference betweenwhat he targeted and what he got, the question came up of how muchshould you allow for sanding when cleaning up the glue, and/or removingenamel? In the WC book, I think he recommends something like going.001" or .002" over on strips, stopping at the thin haze when removingenamel prior to final planing. What do you guys do - do you leaveenamel, or remove it all, or what? If you leave all of the enamelprior to final planing, how much allowance do you need to allow? Iallow around .002" glue cleanup and sanding, but I take enamel and hazeoff before final planing. Needless to say, he took a little more than that. [;-)] I told him, though, it's *still* a flyrod....... mac from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Mar 18 18:31:45 2002 g2J0Vj426022 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:31:45 - (authenticated) Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:31:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Goodby for now Marty, Best wishes during your hospital stay and recovery. You will be in ourthoughts and prayers. You have added much to our cussing and dis- cussingaround here, and we'll miss you while you're gone. Hurry back, and ask someone to keep us up to date on your conditionwhile you are in the hospital. Harry "Marty D." wrote: Hi List, I am going in the Hospital tomorrow for a test and havingsurgery scheduled for Wed. I am having Heart surgery to repair/replace adefective Mitril heart valve. It is something that was being watched forthe past 17 years. This list and you guys have been great for keeping mymind occupied for the last few months while getting prepared for this. Iam dropping off the list for a few weeks and "God Willing" will be backon after that. Take care all, Marty --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Mon Mar 18 18:33:22 2002 g2J0XL426233 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:33:22 - (authenticated) Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:33:16 -0800 Subject: Re: How soon can I try them out? Mark, If you used polyurethane, I'd say wait four days. If spar, wait acoupla weeks minimum, and a month is even better. Either way, you shouldbe okay. Harry Boyd "Mark S. Lenarz" wrote: After several years of planning and collecting the tools, I made myfirst two cane rods this winter. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from mrc@mars.plala.or.jp Mon Mar 18 18:39:17 2002 g2J0dG426626 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:39:16 - id g2J0dDo12780; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:39:13 +0900 (JST) id JAA02815; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:39:12 +0900 (JST) Subject: Re: Sanding allowance? Friends, What is dominating the rule that we should not sand off the enamel side ofthestrip too much? I tried to think about it. Esthetic? Because it's a rule?or For the action?I want to take the position of reasoning it for the action of the rod. Referring to Bob Milward's experiments, the suface of a blank will reduceits MOE (a force needed to stretch a strip for a cetain length) about (veryabout) 0.5% ofo 6 million psi (pound per square inch) when we sand theenamel side off by 0.001 inch, if my calculation is OK. (please make sureat p26 of Milward' book) This means, deflection of the rod would increase 0.5%.If a rod deflects 1" in ideal making, a rod which sanded theenamel 0.001" more, would deflect 1.05". Thus, the stiffness of the rod will be decreasing according to the inchessanded off below skin.I imagine if 0.025" is sanded off, the rod would become just a bit slowerbut not so much.0.04" acceptable, in my case. A little slower. As a matter of fact, I do not care about this too much. It is because,1. Bamboo themselves are different by cane to cane. The same thing ishappening at the time of selecting cane.2. Moisture would change bamboo characteristics.Less sand off amount does not always mean that it is stiffer, if the bambooincludes moisture.3. I like slower rod.4. For such bamboos which have high node banks, we can't avoid sanding offthe enamel as much as necessary. But it is sure, less sanded off, nearer a rod becomes to the nature of thecane attribute. Max Todda strip when completed should be an equilateral triangle. If the enamel is not removed before final planing you will end up with an arc on the base, and when the arc is removed, you will be off on your target measurement. Iscrape before final planing.Ralph Todd Talsma wrote: How about if we get the responses to this on the list? Please, I'd liketo add the topic to the tips archive. Ralph MacKenzie wrote: A friend working on his first rod may have a new 3 wt rather than the 5 wt he was originally hoping for. In reviewing the difference betweenwhat he targeted and what he got, the question came up of how muchshould you allow for sanding when cleaning up the glue, and/or removing enamel? In the WC book, I think he recommends something like going.001" or .002" over on strips, stopping at the thin haze when removingenamel prior to final planing. What do you guys do - do you leaveenamel, or remove it all, or what? If you leave all of the enamelprior to final planing, how much allowance do you need to allow? Iallow around .002" glue cleanup and sanding, but I take enamel and haze off before final planing. Needless to say, he took a little more than that. [;-)] I told him, though, it's *still* a flyrod....... mac --Todd Talsma8412 North Maple CourtZeeland MI 49464------ web design business page: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo Tips site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Bamboo Sources site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/home page: http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/genealogy pages: Under construction --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from cathcreek@hotmail.com Mon Mar 18 18:41:31 2002 g2J0fU426894 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:41:30 - Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:41:17 -0800 Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:41:17 GMT rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: How soon can I try them out? FILETIME=[C7E352F0:01C1CEDE] I am an idiot too. I had a rod in my dip tube yesterday, and was test casting it this morning. Will be auctioned off Saturday for the youth group at church. Not a bad caster, maybe I'll bid. [:)] Rob Clarke From: "Bob Maulucci" Subject: RE: How soon can I try them out?Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:08:05 - 0500 Oh God. I may be an idiot (no comments), but I would have already fishedthem after the first two weeks! Have no fear. The worst that will happen isyou will break one on a big fish or catching a tree on the back cast. If youwere doing anything more than drying them at room temp (a drying cabinetwould be fine), you should have a decent cured finish. I usually test castthem before varnishing so that I can tape the guides on and not worryvarnishing a lousy rod.Best regards,Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: How soon can I try them out? After several years of planning and collecting the tools, I made myfirst two cane rods this winter. I thoroughly enjoyed the process and Iplan to make more rods next winter. Both of the books that I read onthe subject say that you need to let the varnish cure for 3 to 6 monthsbefore taking them stream side. I live in northern Minnesota and therehasn't been too much temptation to try any casting with snow on theground. Now it is spring time and the snow is melting fast. Will Ithoroughly screw things up if I take a few casts on the lawn (once itappears)? Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mark Lenarzmslenarz@uslink.com _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com from Callum.Ross@macquarie.com Mon Mar 18 18:52:18 2002 g2J0qG427495 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:52:17 - g2J0BWL09595 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:11:32 g2J0KQn29601 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:20:26 NT_SYD_MS02.macbank ;Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:20:26 +1100 id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:20:26 +1100 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: How soon can I try them out? I am generally out fishing a new rod about a week after the last coat ofvarnish. Can't wait much longer! I have no idea whether I am doing the wrong thing or not, but so far therehave been no problems. The rods are only for my personal use so I am happyto take the risk. Callum. -----Original Message----- Subject: How soon can I try them out? After several years of planning and collecting the tools, I made myfirst two cane rods this winter. I thoroughly enjoyed the process and Iplan to make more rods next winter. Both of the books that I read onthe subject say that you need to let the varnish cure for 3 to 6 monthsbefore taking them stream side. I live in northern Minnesota and therehasn't been too much temptation to try any casting with snow on theground. Now it is spring time and the snow is melting fast. Will Ithoroughly screw things up if I take a few casts on the lawn (once itappears)? Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mark Lenarzmslenarz@uslink.com NOTICEThis e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyrightmaterial of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intendedrecipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act inreliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies ofthem. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or anyattached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own andmay not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. from channer@frontier.net Mon Mar 18 19:10:23 2002 g2J1AM428133 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:10:22 - Subject: Re: How soon can I try them out? Mark, Who has the discipline to wait longer than it takes to be able to handleem without leaving finger prints in the varnish???????? I have neverwaited more than a week to try em out.john "Mark S. Lenarz" wrote: After several years of planning and collecting the tools, I made myfirst two cane rods this winter. I thoroughly enjoyed the process and Iplan to make more rods next winter. Both of the books that I read onthe subject say that you need to let the varnish cure for 3 to 6 monthsbefore taking them stream side. I live in northern Minnesota and therehasn't been too much temptation to try any casting with snow on theground. Now it is spring time and the snow is melting fast. Will Ithoroughly screw things up if I take a few casts on the lawn (once itappears)? Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mark Lenarzmslenarz@uslink.com from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Mon Mar 18 19:13:36 2002 g2J1DV428446 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:13:31 - Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:15:18 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Goodby for now Marty,best of luck and Gods speed!Shawn "Marty D." wrote: Hi List, I am going in the Hospital tomorrow for a test and havingsurgery scheduled for Wed. I am having Heart surgery to repair/replace adefective Mitril heart valve. It is something that was being watched forthe past 17 years. This list and you guys have been great for keeping mymind occupied for the last few months while getting prepared for this. Iam dropping off the list for a few weeks and "God Willing" will be backon after that. Take care all, Marty from oakmere@carol.net Mon Mar 18 19:38:45 2002 g2J1ci429360 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:38:44 -0600 g2J1ccK16525 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:38:38 -0500 Subject: RE: Fiber Glass Rods Hi Darryl and others: There is a definite trend to return to the medium or medium/fast rods ingraphite and medium in fiber glass(sorry for the words). Sounds like thiswill be a boon for good bamboo rods in these classes. Best, FrankFrank Paul, "GreyFox"TroutBeck Fly and RodBamboo Rod Refinishing and Restoration;Graphite and Glass Rod Repair;Trout Flies, Seneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work), Clemson University; 864-656- 7471oakmere@carol.net (home), South Carolina; 864-882-0077 from Troutgetter@aol.com Mon Mar 18 20:02:40 2002 g2J22d400234 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:02:39 - Subject: Re: How soon can I try them out? rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In a message dated 3/18/2002 4:42:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, cathcreek@hotmail.com writes: I am an idiot too. I had a rod in my dip tube yesterday, and was test casting it this morning. Will be auctioned off Saturday for the youth group at church. Not a bad caster, maybe I'll bid. [:)] Rob Clarke Rob,I'm with you! It's hard to wait more than a day or two before casting. No harm done ... yet!MikeMike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ In a message dated3/18/2002 4:42:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, cathcreek@hotmail.comwrites: had a rod in my dip tube yesterday, and was test group Rob Clarke Rob,I'm with you! It's hard to wait more than a day or two before casting. Noharm done ... yet!MikeMike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from atlasc1@earthlink.net Mon Mar 18 20:43:25 2002 g2J2hP401493 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:43:25 - ([209.179.147.247] helo=computer) id 16n9am-0000LH-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:43:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Sanding allowance? Glue thickness!? Man you are going to get Rev. Boyd to come after me again.I clean off all the enamel before final planing with scraper until it ispretty. I then finish the strip. Decide how to allow for glue thickness.Glue it up, wipe it down, dry, unwind and sand off the remaining haze ofglue with 400 or 600. Depends on how much haze was left. When you seeshinycane you are done...move on! Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Sanding allowance? ...and how much of the glue clean up/sanding is offset by glue thickness? Ralph MacKenzie wrote: A friend working on his first rod may have a new 3 wt rather than the 5wt he was originally hoping for. In reviewing the difference betweenwhat he targeted and what he got, the question came up of how muchshould you allow for sanding when cleaning up the glue, and/or removingenamel? In the WC book, I think he recommends something like going.001" or .002" over on strips, stopping at the thin haze when removingenamel prior to final planing. What do you guys do - do you leaveenamel, or remove it all, or what? If you leave all of the enamelprior to final planing, how much allowance do you need to allow? Iallow around .002" glue cleanup and sanding, but I take enamel and hazeoff before final planing. Needless to say, he took a little more than that. [;-)] I told him, though, it's *still* a flyrod....... mac from atlasc1@earthlink.net Mon Mar 18 20:46:20 2002 g2J2kK401764 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:46:20 -0600 ([209.179.147.247] helo=computer) id 16n9da-0004Cj-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:46:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Genesse Valley I believe that would be Joe Perrigo. Nice looking isn't it? Adam Subject: Genesse Valley Hi to all,A friend of mine has just obtained a rod made by the Genessee Valley =Rod Co. of Portageville, N.Y. Can anyone provide some information about =this company, if it still exists and who the builder might be. I know =some of the builders but don't have their company names.Ray I believe that would be Joe Perrigo. = isn't it? Adam ----- Original Message ----- Ray =Gould = Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 = AMSubject: Genesse Valley Hi to all,A friend of mine has just obtained a = some information about this company, if it still exists and who the = names.Ray from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Mar 18 21:20:03 2002 g2J3K2402835 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:20:02 - Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:19:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Goodby for now FILETIME=[F2199730:01C1CEF4] Marty,My best wishes and prayers for a quick recovery. Hope to see you back on=the list soon! ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Goodby for now Hi List, I am going in the Hospital tomorrow for a test and havingsurgery scheduled for Wed. I am having Heart surgery to repair/replace adefective Mitril heart valve. It is something that was being watched forthe past 17 years. This list and you guys have been great for keeping mymind occupied for the last few months while getting prepared for this. Iam dropping off the list for a few weeks and "God Willing" will be backon after that. Take care all, Marty ----- Original Message ----- From:=Marty D. Sent: Monday,Marc= Rodma= tal tomorrow for a test and havingsurgery scheduled for Wed. I amhav=ing Heart surgery to repair/replace adefective Mitril heart valve. It=is something that was being watched forthe past 17 years. This list =and you guys have been great for keeping mymind occupied for thelast=few months while getting prepared for this. Iam dropping off the lis= Marty from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Mar 18 21:23:56 2002 g2J3Nu403005 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:23:56 - Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:22:49 -0800 Subject: Re: How soon can I try them out? FILETIME=[58CC7BF0:01C1CEF5] Mark,Every couple of days or so grab the butt section in the area where the gr=ip or reel seat will be and squeeze it and see if you leave a thumb print=. If you don't, it's ready! john ----- Original Message ----- Subject: How soon can I try them out? After several years of planning and collecting the tools, I made myfirst two cane rods this winter. I thoroughly enjoyed the process and Iplan to make more rods next winter. Both of the books that I read onthe subject say that you need to let the varnish cure for 3 to 6 monthsbefore taking them stream side. I live in northern Minnesota and therehasn't been too much temptation to try any casting with snow on theground. Now it is spring time and the snow is melting fast. Will Ithoroughly screw things up if I take a few casts on the lawn (once itappears)? Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mark Lenarzmslenarz@uslink.com Mark, Every couple of days or so grab the butt section in the area where the= fter several years of planning and collecting the tools, I made myfir=st two cane rods this winter. I thoroughly enjoyed the process and Ip= the subject say that you need to let the varnish cure for 3 to 6 mont= and therehasn't been too much temptation to try any casting withsnow= Lenarzmslenarz@uslink.com from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Mar 18 21:25:13 2002 g2J3PC403171 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:25:12 - Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:25:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Las vegas FILETIME=[AAF38540:01C1CEF5] Now yer talkin! john ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Las vegas We ought to get B. Nunley to contact Willie and see if we could have agathering right at his ranch. Jim/VT. Now yertalkin= ----- Original Message ----- From:Grnmtrds@aol.com=Sent: Monday, March 18, 20024:44= rodmakers@wugate.wus=tl.edu Subject: Las if we could have agathering right at hisranch.Jim/VT. from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Mar 18 21:34:24 2002 g2J3YN403462 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:34:23 - Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:34:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Sanding allowance? FILETIME=[F34979C0:01C1CEF6] When I sand or scrape the enamel off depends. If I mic a varnished rod =and want to duplicate it, I will leave the enamel on until after glue-up.= ll be close to the original. The enamel thickness should be close to abo= If I'm doing one of my own tapers, the enamel comes off before final plan=ing. ----- Todd Talsma wrote: How about if we get the responses to this on the list? Please, I'd lik= e to add the topic to the tips archive. want to duplicate it, I will leave the enamel on until after glue-up.&nbs=p; By the time I get the rod scraped/sanded and varnished, I'm hoping I w= = from JNL123141@msn.com Mon Mar 18 21:51:45 2002 g2J3pj404013 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:51:45 - Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:51:39 -0800 Subject: Fly Lines FILETIME=[5FFFE930:01C1CEF9] If any of you out there have a copy of a great little book, The Wise Fish=erman's Encyclopedia, check out the section on fly lines and the lengthy =write-up by Marvin Hedge. It is quite an education and worthwhile readin= john If any ofyou =out there have a copy of a great little book, The Wise Fisherman's En=cyclopedia, check out the section on fly lines and the lengthy write= from ddeloach@pcisys.net Mon Mar 18 21:58:42 2002 g2J3wf404363 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:41 - for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:58:40 - env- from (ddeloach@pcisys.net) Subject: Shakespeare value? I have a friend with a Shakespeare 1362 9 footer and couldn't find anythingon the value. I did find a very neat complete catalog and year of everyShakespeare rod ever built: http://www.shakespeare-fishing.com/antiques/rods.pdf I told him about $100 for the 1362, lower if bad varnish shape orincomplete. Any other opinions on this one? TIADon D from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Mon Mar 18 22:15:22 2002 g2J4FK404976 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:15:20 - for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:15:20 - Subject: PHY Winding Thread Hi Guys, I have a customer that wants 'metallic brown' thread on a darkly flamed =rod. Said he thought PHY did this color at one time. Anybody know about PHY using metallic brown thread? Brian Hi Guys, time. Anybody know about PHY using metallic= thread? Brian from canazon@mindspring.com Mon Mar 18 23:18:18 2002 g2J5IH406803 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:18:17 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16nC0b-0003b6-00; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:18:06 -0500 Subject: Re: GBF line reed,sorry to disagree, but you are the last word around here when it comesto silk lines.mike ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: GBF line mike,I'm not putting myself forward as an authority on silk lines, either. Ijust get frustrated when the comparison tables are pulled out. They areutter nonsense, especially as regards WF lines. You happened to be theone to refer to one of these tables, this time; no offense intended. Atable that might be of interest to the advocates of these tables is thetable of Specific Gravity of silk lines as produced by differentmanufacturers. This is found in John Alden Knight's "Field Book ofFresh-Water Angling" (a good read).Again, I'm sorry if I offended you, that was not my intent.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ mike canazon wrote: reed,i am not any kind of an authority on silk lines. i merely pointed mark to the site as a source of information. i assumed he had already been toyour site.mike : "Reed Curry" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 7:35 AMSubject: Re: GBF line mike,This table, like all others, assumes many things...that the lines havethe same braiding pattern (tight or loose), the same varnish weight, thesame S.G., and the same belly taper for each designation. Since, forexample, the South Bend GBF had an 11' belly, the Gudebrod had a 15'belly, and the Newton had a 25' belly (all the same diameter)... thetables you support are going to be in error. You are saying that all ofthese lines, despite their differences in taper, will have the sameweight for the first 30' (exclusive of front level tip). Please explainhow this is so. Thanks. Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Tue Mar 19 00:08:29 2002 g2J68R411455 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:08:28 - Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:07:28 +0800 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:07:26 +0800 Subject: NZ Gathering Hi everyone, I'm finally back at my desk after my recent New Zealandforay and the shock of not having a fly rod or a bottle of Montieth's in myhand is pretty hard to take. My workmates think I'm a bit vague but that'snormal. The gathering and associated activities were an absoluteblast and it was great to meet some other list members in person. BobNunley lived up to his reputation and was my trusty co-pilot for the week aswe undertook an extensive and exhaustive survey of rivers and pubsthroughout the Nelson region. NZ beer comes highly recommended! Neoprenewaders are another matter though........ Danny and Dave came down from Auckland and we had to blameDanny for anything that went wrong after he took us to his "secret spot"where we failed to catch any fish : ) Very impressed with Dave's progresson silk line construction! Harold and Eileen Demarest are two of the most delightfulpeople I've ever had the privilege to meet and we even managed to get Eileendriving on the correct side of the road without too much trouble : ) Itrained Bob to drive by letting him steer from the passenger seat while Irolled cigarettes : ) Jerry and Dianne Maddigan were great fun and I believe Jerryhooked a big brown as they headed south after the gathering.Congratulations mate! Bob's got a couple of photos of some "browns" wecaught too. I didn't get to spend as much time as I'd have liked to withBob Milardo, and we nearly lost him altogether in a hatch one night, but hewas kind enough to put me up at his place in Wellington on my way back toOz. Spent a very pleasant evening at an Italian restaurant over some localpinot noir and generally solved the problems of the world. Thanks againBob. Last of all, and most importantly, I'd like to extend aheartfelt thank you to Ian and Nova for masterminding and orchestrating thewhole event. Their hard work, hospitality and good humour know no boundsand I'm sure the rest of the gang would agree with me in saying that we'llnever forget it. Where else would you get home from fishing at 10-00pmandget a hot home-cooked meal laid on? Still can't believe it! Must go now, but I'm already amassing frequent flyer pointsin anticipation of my next chance to catch up with bamboo nuts somewhereonthis funny old planet we're on. Still not sure about those neoprene waders...................Mike from caneman@clnk.com Tue Mar 19 02:06:57 2002 g2J86u414004 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:06:56 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "'RODMAKERS'" Subject: Re: NZ Gathering Mike,Who in the hell was the wimp that told you that neo waders were a MUSTin the "extremely cold waters of New Zealand"???? I mean, me, you, Ian,Danny, Dave, Bob, Jerry... Hell we all wet waded every stream! I even wentbare footed one night in the Riwaka! Just can't believe someone who sayshe's your friend would set you up with Puss N' Boots for a trip to a countrywith such delightfully warm trout waters!It's supposed to snow here next week... think I'll walk up the streetand wet wade the little creek just north of here and see what I can drum up!That's how REAL MEN do it! Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: NZ Gathering Hi everyone,I'm finally back at my desk after my recent New Zealandforay and the shock of not having a fly rod or a bottle of Montieth's in my hand is pretty hard to take. My workmates think I'm a bit vague but that's normal.The gathering and associated activities were an absoluteblast and it was great to meet some other list members in person. BobNunley lived up to his reputation and was my trusty co-pilot for the week as we undertook an extensive and exhaustive survey of rivers and pubsthroughout the Nelson region. NZ beer comes highly recommended! Neoprenewaders are another matter though........Danny and Dave came down from Auckland and we had to blameDanny for anything that went wrong after he took us to his "secret spot"where we failed to catch any fish : ) Very impressed with Dave's progresson silk line construction!Harold and Eileen Demarest are two of the most delightfulpeople I've ever had the privilege to meet and we even managed to get Eileen driving on the correct side of the road without too much trouble : ) Itrained Bob to drive by letting him steer from the passenger seat while Irolled cigarettes : )Jerry and Dianne Maddigan were great fun and I believe Jerryhooked a big brown as they headed south after the gathering.Congratulations mate! Bob's got a couple of photos of some "browns" wecaught too.I didn't get to spend as much time as I'd have liked to withBob Milardo, and we nearly lost him altogether in a hatch one night, but he was kind enough to put me up at his place in Wellington on my way back toOz. Spent a very pleasant evening at an Italian restaurant over some local pinot noir and generally solved the problems of the world. Thanks againBob.Last of all, and most importantly, I'd like to extend aheartfelt thank you to Ian and Nova for masterminding and orchestrating the whole event. Their hard work, hospitality and good humour know no boundsand I'm sure the rest of the gang would agree with me in saying that we'llnever forget it. Where else would you get home from fishing at 10-00pm and get a hot home-cooked meal laid on? Still can't believe it!Must go now, but I'm already amassing frequent flyer pointsin anticipation of my next chance to catch up with bamboo nuts somewhere on this funny old planet we're on. Still not sure about those neoprene waders...................Mike from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Tue Mar 19 03:00:17 2002 g2J90F415017 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:00:15 - Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:59:12 +0800 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:59:12 +0800 "Roberts, Michael" ,"'RODMAKERS'" Subject: RE: NZ Gathering Hi Bob, well all I can say is a big "thanks for nothing" to that TonyYoung character, who used to be a friend of mine. Talk about embarrassed! What sort of friend would send you off to a foreign land wearingfishing attire that causes the rest of the crew to speculate what yoursexual preferences might be. Sheesh! Talk about embarrassed! Tony's justdamned lucky that we were separated by an ocean and several state bordersuntil I had a chance to cool off a bit. I still haven't returned his wadersin case I flare up and do something he'll regret....... B*st*rd!!Mike -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: NZ Gathering Mike,Who in the hell was the wimp that told you that neo waders were a MUSTin the "extremely cold waters of New Zealand"???? I mean, me, you, Ian,Danny, Dave, Bob, Jerry... Hell we all wet waded every stream! I even wentbare footed one night in the Riwaka! Just can't believe someone who sayshe's your friend would set you up with Puss N' Boots for a trip to a countrywith such delightfully warm trout waters!It's supposed to snow here next week... think I'll walk up the streetand wet wade the little creek just north of here and see what I can drum up!That's how REAL MEN do it! Later,Bob from dannyt@frisurf.no Tue Mar 19 03:29:07 2002 g2J9T5415532 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:29:06 - Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:28:51 +1200User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express- Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: NZ Gathering "'RODMAKERS'" He sure looked kinda funny with the neo boots on, I think I have a pic withMike trying them out.......... cheersdanny Mike,Who in the hell was the wimp that told you that neo waders were a MUSTin the "extremely cold waters of New Zealand"???? I mean, me, you, Ian,Danny, Dave, Bob, Jerry... Hell we all wet waded every stream! I even wentbare footed one night in the Riwaka! Just can't believe someone who sayshe's your friend would set you up with Puss N' Boots for a trip to a countrywith such delightfully warm trout waters!It's supposed to snow here next week... think I'll walk up the streetand wet wade the little creek just north of here and see what I can drumup!That's how REAL MEN do it! Later,Bob from caneman@clnk.com Tue Mar 19 03:33:10 2002 g2J9X9415755 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:33:10 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: NZ Gathering Danny,Yeah, but it wasn't his fault... Mike could tough it out... he couldtake it! Seems his buddy is the one that sent the Wimp Socks with him! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- "'RODMAKERS'" Subject: Re: NZ Gathering He sure looked kinda funny with the neo boots on, I think I have a pic with Mike trying them out.......... cheersdanny Mike,Who in the hell was the wimp that told you that neo waders were a MUSTin the "extremely cold waters of New Zealand"???? I mean, me, you, Ian,Danny, Dave, Bob, Jerry... Hell we all wet waded every stream! I even went bare footed one night in the Riwaka! Just can't believe someone who says he's your friend would set you up with Puss N' Boots for a trip to a country with such delightfully warm trout waters!It's supposed to snow here next week... think I'll walk up the streetand wet wade the little creek just north of here and see what I can drum up! That's how REAL MEN do it! Later,Bob from dannyt@frisurf.no Tue Mar 19 03:38:16 2002 g2J9cE415995 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:38:14 - Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:38:08 +1200User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express- Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: NZ Gathering Who was it anyway, the buddy that sent them with him? danny Danny,Yeah, but it wasn't his fault... Mike could tough it out... he couldtake it! Seems his buddy is the one that sent the Wimp Socks with him! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from caneman@clnk.com Tue Mar 19 03:47:35 2002 g2J9lY416322 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:47:34 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: NZ Gathering I guess we'll have to look to Mike to clarify that. I could have sworn hesaid it was Tony Young, but surely he was talking about another Tony. I metTony Young and he was a Man's Man, sorta fella. He sure didn't seem thesort that would need neoprene waders in warm water, or that would considerthe waters of the Riwaka or Motueka to be COLD!!! Yeah, must be anotherTony! What about it, Mike????? Who was it anyway, the buddy that sent them with him? danny Danny,Yeah, but it wasn't his fault... Mike could tough it out... he couldtake it! Seems his buddy is the one that sent the Wimp Socks with him! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Mar 19 04:16:23 2002 g2JAGM416904 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:16:22 - Subject: Re: NZ Gathering OK guys I get the picture, what you're basically telling me is you stayed in those fairy flat lands where the rivers are slow and warm and frolicked on the banks chasing butterflies and chatted with the camper mobile people To quote BJ Patterson "I s'pose the flats is pretty green up there inIronbark"Next time you guys are there try some wet wading in real upland streamsand rivers where the real trout are and to wade above knee height is to drown in the flow. You'll be wishing you had 5mm waders rather than those paper thin 3mm things Mike was wearing [:-)] Still, making for allowances it does seem as if everybody had a really good time. NZ is Heven on a stick, the rivers are full of fish and streams are cold in the hills. I just had trouble imagining for a minute nobody would leave the comfort of the flats with their serpintine bath water warm water that's all. [;-)] Tony At 09:37 PM 7/15/02 +1200, Danny Twang wrote: Who was it anyway, the buddy that sent them with him? danny Danny,Yeah, but it wasn't his fault... Mike could tough it out... he couldtake it! Seems his buddy is the one that sent the Wimp Socks with him! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Mar 19 04:19:40 2002 g2JAJc417105 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:19:39 - Subject: Re: NZ Gathering I could say more on the subject but for now I'll just say MIKE I WANY MY BLOODY WADERS BACK AND I HOPE YOU FREEZE NEXT TIME!!!! [:-)] TY At 03:44 AM 3/19/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: I guess we'll have to look to Mike to clarify that. I could have sworn hesaid it was Tony Young, but surely he was talking about another Tony. I metTony Young and he was a Man's Man, sorta fella. He sure didn't seem thesort that would need neoprene waders in warm water, or that wouldconsiderthe waters of the Riwaka or Motueka to be COLD!!! Yeah, must be anotherTony! What about it, Mike????? Who was it anyway, the buddy that sent them with him? danny Danny,Yeah, but it wasn't his fault... Mike could tough it out... he couldtake it! Seems his buddy is the one that sent the Wimp Socks with him! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from OSEGAL@glcc.com Tue Mar 19 05:31:39 2002 g2JBVc418166 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:31:38 - with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:31:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Goodby for now Marty, Our prayers will be with you. God bless and lots of luck. I am sure soon =you will be back on the saddle again!! All the best, Oscar surgery scheduled for Wed. I am having Heart surgery to repair/replace = defective Mitril heart valve. It is something that was being watched = the past 17 years. This list and you guys have been great for keeping = mind occupied for the last few months while getting prepared for this. = Marty, Our prayers will be with you. God bless and lots of = again!! All the best, Oscar 03/18/02 = repair/replace a defective Mitril heart valve. It is something that = being watched for the past 17 years. This list and you guys have been = be back on after that. Take care all, Marty from petermckean@netspace.net.au Tue Mar 19 06:36:18 2002 g2JCaG419004 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:36:17 - g2JCZxx09572; Subject: Re: I'm Baaaaaack!!! Folks who come from West AustraliaSeem obsessed about bloody paraphenalia;And when travelling the land of sheepWith valleys vast and waters deep,Are sometimes prone to errors direAnd inappropriate attire! In a land where the criterion for peaceIs the weight and texture of your fleece,Tony may well be forgiven To violate the bounds of reasonAnd recommend, quite out of season,That his acquaintances be seenIn thigh boots made from neoprene. Remember that he was not there,Not bound to practice as he preaches;In Perth, so far from anywhere,Tony Young's malignancy still reaches -It serves itself in heaps and gobbetsAnd vents its spleen on poor Mike Roberts,Contributes to his style destructionWith boots of inappropriate construction. You can't blame MikeWhen all is said Where he did! [:-)] from ttalsma@macatawa.org Tue Mar 19 06:43:55 2002 g2JCht419306 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:43:55 - id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:36:34 -0500 id F563C3CP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:36:25 -0500 Subject: Bret Reiter/Heart Attack All, I just received this message from Bret's wife Linda. Please say aprayer for him & his family. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Todd, Bret had a heart attack yesterday. Today they did an angioplastywith a stent after a heart catherization. One of his arteries was 95%blocked. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but he wanted you to know rightaway. He may be coming home tomorrow but we will know more tomorrow. Please pass this along to the list, Bret hopefully will send you a note tomorrow! Thanks a bunch, and also thank you for all your support and friendship! Linda Reiter -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from gjm80301@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 07:38:22 2002 Received: from g2JDcL420494 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 Received: from [65.186.192.137] by web13609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar gjm80301@yahoo.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Tonywants those back after what we did to them? --- Tony Youngwrote: I could say more on the subject but for now I'll just say MIKE IWANY MY BLOODY WADERS BACK AND I HOPE YOU FREEZE NEXT TIME!!!! [:-)] TY At 03:44 AM 3/19/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: I guess we'll have to look to Mike to clarify that. I could have sworn he said it was Tony Young, but surely he was talking about another Tony. I met Tony Young and he was a Man's Man, sorta fella. He sure didn't seem the sort that would need neoprene waders in warm water, or that would consider the waters of the Riwaka or Motueka to be COLD!!! Yeah, must be another Tony! What about it, Mike????? Who was it anyway, the buddy that sent them with him? danny Danny,Yeah, but it wasn't his fault... Mike could tough it out... he could take it! Seems his buddy is the one that sent the Wimp Socks with him! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from Dennishigham@cs.com Tue Mar 19 08:44:46 2002 g2JEij422657 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:44:45 - Subject: Re: Bret Reiter/Heart Attack Todd,Do you have Brett's address? I can't find it and I'd like to send him a card. Dennis from baconrod@gsmrinc.com Tue Mar 19 08:47:42 2002 g2JEkr423016 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:46:54 -0600 Subject: Tip and butt stretcher Rodmakers.Here is the fixture that I use for straightening =sections. I purchase hollow rope at the Hardware store and pull the =solid core out and use the braid. You can get rope in 1/8 to 1/2 " =sizes. I buy a 250' coil of the three sizes that I use. I have a 7' x 3' =x 4' oven that I cure graphite in that I use to cure my rods @ 250 deg. = Rodmakers. Here is the fixture that I use for straightening sections. I purchase = rope at the Hardware store and pull the solid core out and use the = can get rope in 1/8 to 1/2 " sizes. I buy a 250' coil of the three sizes = use to cure my rods @ 250 deg. for 20min. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Mar 19 09:04:57 2002 g2JF4t424284 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:04:55 - Subject: Re: I'm Baaaaaack!!! While I like the poem and at the risk of protesting too much I must say that if you fish anywhere neoprene waders are too warm and assumingyou're not worm fishing for carp or something you're in the wrong place. Be men and gain some altitude damn it and don't blame me for any discomfort you suffered you wimps, the fairy flat lands with the bath water temp waters and road side BBQs are bad for the mind & those cucumber sandwiches with the crusts cut off will go to your heads! Hard men aren't born, they're made!! TY At 11:34 PM 3/19/02 +1100, Peter McKean wrote: Folks who come from West AustraliaSeem obsessed about bloody paraphenalia;And when travelling the land of sheepWith valleys vast and waters deep,Are sometimes prone to errors direAnd inappropriate attire! In a land where the criterion for peaceIs the weight and texture of your fleece,Tony may well be forgiven To violate the bounds of reasonAnd recommend, quite out of season,That his acquaintances be seenIn thigh boots made from neoprene. Remember that he was not there,Not bound to practice as he preaches;In Perth, so far from anywhere,Tony Young's malignancy still reaches -It serves itself in heaps and gobbetsAnd vents its spleen on poor Mike Roberts,Contributes to his style destructionWith boots of inappropriate construction. You can't blame MikeWhen all is said Where he did! [:-)] /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Mar 19 09:06:07 2002 g2JF66424504 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:06:06 - Subject: Re: NZ Gathering You are all sick, sick people.[;-)] TY At 05:38 AM 3/19/02 -0800, Jerry Madigan wrote: Tony wants those back after what we did to them? --- Tony Young wrote: I could say more on the subject but for now I'll just say MIKE IWANY MYBLOODY WADERS BACK AND I HOPE YOU FREEZE NEXT TIME!!!! [:-)] TY At 03:44 AM 3/19/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: I guess we'll have to look to Mike to clarify that. I could have sworn he said it was Tony Young, but surely he was talking about another Tony. I met Tony Young and he was a Man's Man, sorta fella. He sure didn't seem the sort that would need neoprene waders in warm water, or that would consider the waters of the Riwaka or Motueka to be COLD!!! Yeah, must be another Tony! What about it, Mike????? Who was it anyway, the buddy that sent them with him? danny Danny,Yeah, but it wasn't his fault... Mike could tough it out... he could take it! Seems his buddy is the one that sent the Wimp Socks with him! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Tue Mar 19 09:15:34 2002 g2JFFX425337 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:15:33 -0600 HAA07460; HAA11793; g2JFFPQ17239; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:15:24 -0800 Rodmakers discussion group Subject: RE: Tip and butt stretcher this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Here in Seattle at a place called sportco, home depot of sports equipment,we have braided parachute chord that we use to make steel head weights. Icomes already hollow cored and is in rolls and is pretty cheap. Patrick W. Coffey AOG Incident Repair Planning Phone: 425-234-2901 Fax: 425-237-0083 M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Tip and butt stretcher Rodmakers.Here is the fixture that I use for straightening sections.I purchase hollow rope at the Hardware store and pull the solid core out anduse the braid. You can get rope in 1/8 to 1/2 " sizes. I buy a 250' coil ofthe three sizes that I use. I have a 7' x 3' x 4' oven that I cure graphitein that I use to cure my rods @ 250 deg. for 20 min. Here in Seattle at a place called sportco,home depot of sports equipment, we have braided parachute chord that we use to makesteel head weights. I comes already hollow cored and is in rolls and is pretty cheap. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair Planning 61-79 -----Original Message-----From: Harold Bacon 2002 6:45 and butt stretcherRodmakers. Here is the fixture that I use for straightening sections. I purchase hollow rope at the Hardware store and pull the solid core out and use the braid.You can get rope in 1/8 to 1/2 " sizes. I buy a 250' coil of the three sizes I use to cure my rods @ 250 deg. for 20 min. from jerryy@webtv.net Tue Mar 19 09:19:11 2002 g2JFJB425745 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:19:11 - by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with 2116.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id HAA29479; ETAtAhUAou5wvieDoP1TpVSml/lHTJowx+UCFB5ipAzI38hjQ0neAED7H/3TobfY Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au (Roberts, Michael),rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu ('RODMAKERS')Subject: RE: NZ Gathering message of Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:57:22 +0800 That's all right Mike. I remember that the same bloke wore them all dayfloating down the Muskegon river while he was surrounded by a 16 ft.Mackenzie River drift boat. Jerry Young from rmoon@ida.net Tue Mar 19 09:20:21 2002 g2JFKK425968 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:20:20 - Subject: Re: Bret Reiter/Heart Attack Dennis, I don't have his address or phone, but his e-mail is : Grhghlndr@aol.com Ralph Dennishigham@cs.com wrote: Todd,Do you have Brett's address? I can't find it and I'd like to send him a card. Dennis --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Mar 19 09:27:27 2002 g2JFRP426675 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:27:25 - Subject: RE: NZ Gathering Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au (Roberts, Michael),rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu ('RODMAKERS') It was my safety blanket. Tony At 10:18 AM 3/19/02 -0500, Jerry Young wrote: That's all right Mike. I remember that the same bloke wore them all dayfloating down the Muskegon river while he was surrounded by a 16 ft.Mackenzie River drift boat. Jerry Young /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Tue Mar 19 09:35:20 2002 g2JFZI427281 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:35:18 - Subject: Re: Bret Reiter/Heart Attack Here is Bret's address: Bret Reiter11628 S. Lake Chapin RD.Berrien Springs, MI. 49103 Tony At 08:19 AM 3/19/02 -0700, Ralph W. Moon wrote: Dennis, I don't have his address or phone, but his e-mail is : Grhghlndr@aol.com Ralph Dennishigham@cs.com wrote: Todd,Do you have Brett's address? I can't find it and I'd like to send him a card. Dennis --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from alspicer99@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 09:38:36 2002 g2JFca427641 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:38:36 - 19 Mar 2002 07:38:35 PST Subject: camping at Grayrock 2002 Fellow Rodmakers, I have a question for those who have been to Rodmakersat Grayrock in the past. I'll be going this year (myfirst time) and thinking about camping. Is there anyone campground that most of the people in attendanceuse? If so, does anyone have a phone number or URL forthat campground? Looking forward to putting faces withnames of the list members. Thanks, Al SpicerGreensboro, NC __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from ttalsma@macatawa.org Tue Mar 19 09:43:22 2002 g2JFhK428240 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:43:20 - id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:36:00 -0500 id F563C320; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:35:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Bret Reiter/Heart Attack Thanks Tony. Geez, wouldn't think a guy half the way around the world would have togive us that information when I'm practically in his back yard! Tony Young wrote: Here is Bret's address: Bret Reiter11628 S. Lake Chapin RD.Berrien Springs, MI. 49103 Tony At 08:19 AM 3/19/02 -0700, Ralph W. Moon wrote: Dennis, I don't have his address or phone, but his e-mail is : Grhghlndr@aol.com Ralph Dennishigham@cs.com wrote: Todd,Do you have Brett's address? I can't find it and I'd like to send him a card. Dennis --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Tue Mar 19 09:47:25 2002 Received: g2JFlO428781 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) by (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:31:44 -0600 Message- From: "Miller, Troy" rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Here is a message that Isaved with Bret's address, if anyone wants it. I am assuming that it is stillgood, from only a few months ago. TAM -----Original Message----- From: harms1@pa.net; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Mailing address Iknow some of you guys who have written me before still have my old addressin Indiana if you have that and not the new one here is the Michigan address. Ido not need anything else lost in the forwarding system of the USPS. I have arod that is lost between NY and MI now for 3 weeks today. Here is theMichigan address. Bret Reiter 11628 S. Lake Chapin Rd. Berrien Springs, MI.49103 http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ from dnorl@qwest.net Tue Mar 1909:48:04 2002 Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net 0000 Received: from mplsdslgw11poold139.mpls.uswest.net (HELO 2002 15:48:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:49:18 -0600 Message- ID:From: "Dave Norling" 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 dnorl@qwest.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Prattand Lambert says not to recoat after 24 hours with their R10 Varmor.That's good enough for me. With my compulsive addictive behavior I am in myfront yard with a stopwatch in my hand. sometimes I cast it a few secondsbefore. Dave Norling -----Original Message----- From: Mark S. Lenarz Date: Monday, March 18, 2002 5:41 PMSubject: How soon can I try them out? After several years of planning and collecting the tools, I made myfirst two cane rods this winter. I thoroughly enjoyed the process and Iplan to make more rods next winter. Both of the books that I read onthe subject say that you need to let the varnish cure for 3 to 6 monthsbefore taking them stream side. I live in northern Minnesota and therehasn't been too much temptation to try any casting with snow on theground. Now it is spring time and the snow is melting fast. Will Ithoroughly screw things up if I take a few casts on the lawn (once itappears)? Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mark Lenarzmslenarz@uslink.com from KyleDruey@aol.com Tue Mar 19 10:39:43 2002 g2JGdh402193 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:39:43 - for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:39:31 - MAILINID103-0319113931; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:39:31 -0500 Subject: Freaky - Not Bamboo Related Someone figure out this card trick: http://cs.bluffton.edu/~scoffman/magic.html from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Tue Mar 19 11:04:55 2002 g2JH4t403798 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:04:55 - g2JH29H22711 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:02:09 -0700 10:02:59 2002 -0700 with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:04:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Freaky - Not Bamboo Related g2JH4t403799 KyleAll of the cards change!JimH 03/19/02 09:39AM >>> Someone figure out this card trick: http://cs.bluffton.edu/~scoffman/magic.html > from lblan@provide.net TueMar 19 11:09:11 2002 g2JH9B404244 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:09:11 - with HTTP id 15371745; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:09:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Freaky - Not Bamboo Related Look at the remaining cards, *none* of them are the same. Larry Blan On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:39:31 ESTKyleDruey@aol.com wrote: Someone figure out this card trick: http://cs.bluffton.edu/~scoffman/magic.html from bob@mcelvain.org Tue Mar 19 11:22:44 2002 g2JHMh405317 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:22:43 -0600 Mar 2002 10:34:10 -0700 MST Subject: Re: Freaky - Not Bamboo Related we that come back are all of different suites, the jack of diamonds and all Vegas we will be shown other clever card tricks, as long as our moneyholds out.At 11:39 AM 3/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Tue Mar 19 11:27:33 2002 g2JHRX405797 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:27:33 - Subject: Re: camping at Grayrock 2002 Hartwick Pines state park has the nicest campground. There are also lots ofstate forest campgrounds along teh river, but they are really rustic.Depends on what you want. Brian ----- Original Message ----- Subject: camping at Grayrock 2002 Fellow Rodmakers, I have a question for those who have been to Rodmakersat Grayrock in the past. I'll be going this year (myfirst time) and thinking about camping. Is there anyone campground that most of the people in attendanceuse? If so, does anyone have a phone number or URL forthat campground? Looking forward to putting faces withnames of the list members. Thanks, Al SpicerGreensboro, NC __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from rsgould@cmc.net Tue Mar 19 11:35:59 2002 g2JHZw406642 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:35:58 - Subject: Re: Bret Reiter/Heart Attack Hi to all,Bret Reiter's address is: 11628 S. Lake Chapin Rd. , Berrien Springs, MI.49103. Do send him get well wishes..Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Bret Reiter/Heart Attack Todd,Do you have Brett's address? I can't find it and I'd like to send him a card. Dennis from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 12:24:04 2002 g2JIO3409663 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:24:03 - Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:24:01 PST Subject: Re: Freaky - Not Bamboo Related none of the 2nd grouping of 5 cards are in the firstgrouping of six cards. --- KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: Someone figure out this card trick: http://cs.bluffton.edu/~scoffman/magic.html ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from snooker_e@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 14:31:27 2002 g2JKVQ418762 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:31:26 - Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:31:22 PST Subject: First Culms on the way--questions? List, Well, I have taken my biggest step in this process so far. I ordered myfirst culms of Bamboo today. Anyway, I have a question about storage, asI have no idea how long it will take me to finish colecting my tools andcontraptions. How and where should I stored my Culms until I am ready touse them? I'm in Florida also, so is there any special precautions I needto take since the humidity is so high down here. It was 87Ÿ heretoday...sorry had to throw that in:^) Is keeping them in the house OK orare there other precations I should take? I have another question, and I'll just ask it here to save banwidth. Ineed an oven setup, and was wondering what you all would recomend for afirst time setup? I want something functional, but not so complicated itwill take me til June to gather the parts and put it togther. My wife isalready getting suspicous of all these UPS trucks stopping by the houselately:^) TIA!!Eric =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from farell@ma.ultranet.com Tue Mar 19 14:50:19 2002 g2JKoI422645 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:50:18 - Subject: Re: Freaky - Not Bamboo Related The second set of cards is different than the first. The colors and =patterns are arranged to make you think it is the same set, less your =card. Thanks; Tom Farrellfarell@ma.ultranet.com Subject: Freaky - Not Bamboo Related Someone figure out this card trick: http://cs.bluffton.edu/~scoffman/magic.html The second set of cards is different = the same set, less your card. Thanks; Tom Farrellfarell@ma.ultranet.com ----- Original Message ----- KyleDruey@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 = AM RelatedSomeone figure out this card trick:http://cs.bluffton.e=du/~scoffman/magic.html from caneman@clnk.com Tue Mar 19 14:58:19 2002 g2JKwI424044 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:58:18 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "Bamboo Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: First Culms on the way--questions? Eric,Keeping them in the house is fine... Beware the loud "POPS" that occurwhen the stuff starts to make it's own check splits! Sometimes they'resubtle, sometimes they sound like a small caliber gun going off in yourhome.As for special precautions with the humidity, I live in Oklahoma in the"Arkansas River Valley" and the humidity here is considered low if it's lessthan 50%, so don't worry much about that. You're going to remove thatextramoisture it gains from the air in the heat treating process, so it shouldn'tbe much of a concern for now. just build a simple heat gun oven. Not considering the cost of the heatgun, I probably have $30 tied up in mine and it's been blistering cane foralmost a decade, now. There are several sites out there that have plans forheat gun ovens, although I can't recall where off hand. Maybe someone elsewill chime in and provide a URL. later,Bob Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: First Culms on the way--questions? List, Well, I have taken my biggest step in this process so far. I ordered myfirst culms of Bamboo today. Anyway, I have a question about storage, asI have no idea how long it will take me to finish colecting my tools andcontraptions. How and where should I stored my Culms until I am ready touse them? I'm in Florida also, so is there any special precautions I needto take since the humidity is so high down here. It was 87Ÿ heretoday...sorry had to throw that in:^) Is keeping them in the house OK orare there other precations I should take? I have another question, and I'll just ask it here to save banwidth. Ineed an oven setup, and was wondering what you all would recomend for afirst time setup? I want something functional, but not so complicated itwill take me til June to gather the parts and put it togther. My wife isalready getting suspicous of all these UPS trucks stopping by the houselately:^) TIA!!Eric =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from KyleDruey@aol.com Tue Mar 19 15:07:27 2002 g2JL7Q425632 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:07:26 - for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:07:12 - 0319160712; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:07:12 -0500 Subject: Hal's Glue-Up Stretcher Hal, thanks for the sketch of the glue-up stretcher, this looks interesting. Iwould like to possibly try this. Do you put 15# of tension on the braidednylon casing then heat cure? And your blanks come out kink and twist free? Do you do any twisting or bending to the blank before putting it in thestretcher? The stretcher seems like it would have the same effect as hanging a weighton the end of the blank while it dries. Seems like those that use the weighthanging method have had limited success. I have placed a blank section in mysteel forms to dry, using a spring clamp at each 5” section. Theblank comes out twist free but the bends remain. Is the stretcher reallythat much more effective than these other methods? Thanks again, Kyle from bhoy551@earthlink.net Tue Mar 19 15:08:00 2002 g2JL7x425778 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:07:59 - Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:07:56 -0500 "Bamboo Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: First Culms on the way--questions? FILETIME=[246B68E0:01C1CF8A] g2JL80425779 Frank Neunemann has a good set of plans http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/FNeunemann/BambooFRMain.html bill At 02:54 PM 3/19/2002 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Eric,.....For a first time oven setup and honestly, even a permanent one, I wouldjust build a simple heat gun oven. Not considering the cost of the heatgun, I probably have $30 tied up in mine and it's been blistering cane foralmost a decade, now. There are several sites out there that have plansforheat gun ovens, although I can't recall where off hand. Maybe someone elsewill chime in and provide a URL. later,Bob Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Eric Young" Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:31 PMSubject: First Culms on the way-- questions? List, Well, I have taken my biggest step in this process so far. I ordered myfirst culms of Bamboo today. Anyway, I have a question about storage,asI have no idea how long it will take me to finish colecting my tools andcontraptions. How and where should I stored my Culms until I am readytouse them? I'm in Florida also, so is there any special precautions I needto take since the humidity is so high down here. It was 87Ÿ heretoday...sorry had to throw that in:^) Is keeping them in the house OK orare there other precations I should take? I have another question, and I'll just ask it here to save banwidth. Ineed an oven setup, and was wondering what you all would recomend forafirst time setup? I want something functional, but not so complicated itwill take me til June to gather the parts and put it togther. My wife isalready getting suspicous of all these UPS trucks stopping by the houselately:^) TIA!!Eric =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from KyleDruey@aol.com Tue Mar 19 15:13:21 2002 g2JLDK427011 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:13:20 - for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:13:08 - MAILINID41-0319161308; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:13:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Freaky - Not Bamboo Related Come on now, you guys bought it for at least a second or two the firsttime... fess up! I am Sam. The first time around I was leaning toward Jason's suggestion on the use ofalien technology and was looking for the cigarette man lurking in theshadows. Kyle In a message dated Tue, 19 Mar 2002 3:50:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,"Tom Farrell" writes: The second set of cards is different than the first. The colors and patternsare arranged to make you think it is the same set, less your card. Thanks; Tom Farrellfarell@ma.ultranet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: March 19, 2002 11:39 AMSubject: Freaky - Not Bamboo RelatedSomeone figure out this card trick: http://cs.bluffton.edu/~scoffman/magic.html from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Tue Mar 19 15:43:11 2002 g2JLhA429238 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:43:10 - g2JLeNH32405 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:40:24 -0700 14:41:15 2002 -0700 with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:43:05 -0700 Subject: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector g2JLhB429239 Guys,After many years of faithful use, my beloved Craftsman 6hp, shop-vac hassucked its last shaving. Its last request was that I take yet another shop-vac as my little helper around the shop and not digress to the 'broom' forany longer than grieving would require. That was two weeks ago, and now, I'mready. Ready to get out there and see what new low pressure horizons lieahead. Seriously though, the loss of the vac has been tough. My shop has neverlooked so unkept. I've been looking at new vacs here and there and have beenkicking around the idea of installing a central dust collecting system. WhatI've discovered is that I need a new vac sooner than the time it will take to doall the research. I hate to buy anything and wish later that I had done morehomework.So, I'm asking the all knowing list for recommendations on current brands ofshop-vacs or dust collecting equipment appropriate for a small but busy rodshop? Has anyone purchased one of the Grizzly dust collectors or recentlypurchased a new shop-vac? Anyone not happy with vac equipment? Anytips? Thanks!JimH from Callum.Ross@macquarie.com Tue Mar 19 15:59:56 2002 g2JLxs401958 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:59:54 - g2JLtxn23144 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:55:59 g2JLxon29199 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:59:50 NT_SYD_MS02.macbank ;Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:59:50 +1100 id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:59:49 +1100 Bamboo Rodmakers List Subject: RE: First Culms on the way-- questions? I you really wanted a simple oven you could use a pipe and torch as RalphMoon wrote about in Power Fibers #5. Callum. -----Original Message----- Subject: First Culms on the way--questions? I have another question, and I'll just ask it here to save banwidth. Ineed an oven setup, and was wondering what you all would recomend for afirst time setup? I want something functional, but not so complicated itwill take me til June to gather the parts and put it togther. My wife isalready getting suspicous of all these UPS trucks stopping by the houselately:^) TIA!!Eric =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ NOTICEThis e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain copyrightmaterial of Macquarie Bank or third parties. If you are not the intendedrecipient of this email you should not read, print, re-transmit, store or act inreliance on this e-mail or any attachments, and should destroy all copies ofthem. Macquarie Bank does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or anyattached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own andmay not reflect the views or opinions of Macquarie Bank. from gjm80301@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 16:12:25 2002 g2JMCO405050 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:12:24 - Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:12:20 PST Subject: Art of Angling Journal update I finally got around to ordering this. Happily, the premier issue isstill available if any other procrastinators are interested. http://www.artofangling.com/ No financial interest. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Tue Mar 19 16:17:32 2002 g2JMHQ405929 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:17:27 - Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector A one hp Grizzley dust collector should serve you well, but buy or make afirst stage barrel to collect the bulk of your shavings in before they getto the impeller blades or you'll keep clogging up. Good article in one ofthe old Fine Woodworking magazines. Some hardware store in GA had plansintheir catalog for making one on the cheap. I'll see if I can find it againif you're interested. Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Guys,After many years of faithful use, my beloved Craftsman 6hp, shop-vac has sucked its last shaving. Its last request was that I take yet anothershop-vac as my little helper around the shop and not digress to the 'broom' now, I'm ready. Ready to get out there and see what new low pressurehorizons lie ahead. Seriously though, the loss of the vac has been tough. My shop has never looked so unkept. I've been looking at new vacs here and there and havebeen kicking around the idea of installing a central dust collecting system.What I've discovered is that I need a new vac sooner than the time it willtake to do all the research. I hate to buy anything and wish later that Ihad done more homework. So, I'm asking the all knowing list for recommendations on current brands of shop-vacs or dust collecting equipment appropriate for a small but busyrod shop? Has anyone purchased one of the Grizzly dust collectors orrecently purchased a new shop-vac? Anyone not happy with vac equipment?Any tips? Thanks!JimH from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Tue Mar 19 16:19:38 2002 g2JMJc406243 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:19:38 - Subject: Re: Hal's Glue-Up Stretcher Kyle, I've applied my dim powers of reasoning to the problem of gettinga straight section out of glue-up, and here is what I've concluded. 1. INDIVIDUAL SPLINES MUST BE STRAIGHT TO BEGIN WITH. If youhave a crooked spline, no amount of tension while the gluesets will make it straight once the tension is off.2. What works for others might not work for me (or you).3. Rolling the section with a hard rubber roller, ala Howell'sbook, is a good way to make the splines nest together.4. A perfectly straight section laying on the bench may get bentjust by picking it up to to hang it. It think is more ofa problem for slow setting "slippery" glues like Epon than 5. Laying a straight section in the groove of your planing formand clamping/weighting it will work, but unless you have several planing forms you can only do one section at a time. My current solution, which is still evolving, is a horizontal"rack" made of a 2x4, a screen-door spring and a couple ball-bearing swivels. After a real cursory hand untwisting & straightening,the rod section is "put on the rack" and stretched by the springas it lays on the 2x4, and I check for twist then roll with the roller, rotate and roll some more, all under tension. I use resorcinol and have to work pretty fast. But its alldone in 5 minutes and I'm on to the next section.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. from bob@downandacross.com Tue Mar 19 16:51:53 2002 g2JMpr407947 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:51:53 - 19 Mar 2002 17:51:39 -0500 Subject: RE: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Jim:I have the Rigid 5 HP shop vac and the Rigid portable air filtration set up.While not a large unit, the air filter works like a charm. I think you willneed a good shop vac as well. I think these two are a cheaper alternative toa central system. The 5 HP vac works great for the mill and roughingbeveler. It sucks up shavings without clogging.I bought both at the Home Depot.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Has anyone purchased one of the Grizzlydust collectors or recently purchased a new shop-vac? Anyone nothappy with vac equipment? Any tips?Thanks!JimH from dybam@oct.net Tue Mar 19 17:15:47 2002 g2JNFl409100 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:15:47 - "Bamboo Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: Pen and Rod signatures Communications, Inc. Can someone give me the name of a good pen for rod signatures.Is itcommonto use a quill pen with India ink or are there felt tip pens that will dothe job.Mark ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: First Culms on the way--questions? Eric,Keeping them in the house is fine... Beware the loud "POPS" that occurwhen the stuff starts to make it's own check splits! Sometimes they'resubtle, sometimes they sound like a small caliber gun going off in yourhome.As for special precautions with the humidity, I live in Oklahoma in the "Arkansas River Valley" and the humidity here is considered low if it's less than 50%, so don't worry much about that. You're going to remove that extra moisture it gains from the air in the heat treating process, so it shouldn't be much of a concern for now. would just build a simple heat gun oven. Not considering the cost of the heatgun, I probably have $30 tied up in mine and it's been blistering cane foralmost a decade, now. There are several sites out there that have plans for heat gun ovens, although I can't recall where off hand. Maybe someone else will chime in and provide a URL. later,Bob Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Eric Young" Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:31 PMSubject: First Culms on the way-- questions? List, Well, I have taken my biggest step in this process so far. I ordered myfirst culms of Bamboo today. Anyway, I have a question about storage, as I have no idea how long it will take me to finish colecting my tools and contraptions. How and where should I stored my Culms until I am ready to use them? I'm in Florida also, so is there any special precautions I need to take since the humidity is so high down here. It was 87Ÿ heretoday...sorry had to throw that in:^) Is keeping them in the house OK or are there other precations I should take? I have another question, and I'll just ask it here to save banwidth. Ineed an oven setup, and was wondering what you all would recomend forafirst time setup? I want something functional, but not so complicated it will take me til June to gather the parts and put it togther. My wife is already getting suspicous of all these UPS trucks stopping by the houselately:^) TIA!!Eric =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from caneman@clnk.com Tue Mar 19 17:23:12 2002 g2JNNB409630 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:23:11 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "Bamboo Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: Pen and Rod signatures Mark,I just go to an Architect supply house and buy Technical pens.Depending on how wide you want your script, you can get .005's for the wideor .001 for a very fine line. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- List" Subject: Re: Pen and Rod signatures Can someone give me the name of a good pen for rod signatures.Is itcommonto use a quill pen with India ink or are there felt tip pens that will dothe job.Mark ----- Original Message -----From: Bob Nunley Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:54 PMSubject: Re: First Culms on the way-- questions? Eric,Keeping them in the house is fine... Beware the loud "POPS" that occur when the stuff starts to make it's own check splits! Sometimes they'resubtle, sometimes they sound like a small caliber gun going off in yourhome.As for special precautions with the humidity, I live in Oklahoma in the "Arkansas River Valley" and the humidity here is considered low if it's less than 50%, so don't worry much about that. You're going to remove that extra moisture it gains from the air in the heat treating process, so it shouldn't be much of a concern for now. would just build a simple heat gun oven. Not considering the cost of the heatgun, I probably have $30 tied up in mine and it's been blistering cane for almost a decade, now. There are several sites out there that have plans for heat gun ovens, although I can't recall where off hand. Maybe someone else will chime in and provide a URL. later,Bob Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Eric Young" Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:31 PMSubject: First Culms on the way-- questions? List, Well, I have taken my biggest step in this process so far. I ordered my first culms of Bamboo today. Anyway, I have a question aboutstorage, as I have no idea how long it will take me to finish colecting my tools and contraptions. How and where should I stored my Culms until I am ready to use them? I'm in Florida also, so is there any special precautions I need to take since the humidity is so high down here. It was 87Ÿ heretoday...sorry had to throw that in:^) Is keeping them in the house OK or are there other precations I should take? I have another question, and I'll just ask it here to save banwidth. I need an oven setup, and was wondering what you all would recomendfor a first time setup? I want something functional, but not so complicated it will take me til June to gather the parts and put it togther. My wife is already getting suspicous of all these UPS trucks stopping by the house lately:^) TIA!!Eric =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from caneman@clnk.com Tue Mar 19 17:29:34 2002 g2JNTX410072 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:29:33 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:27:28 -0600 Subject: Fishing license List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a newone. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name of RobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have onoccasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or HunleyorNumley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon- Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from oossg@vbe.com Tue Mar 19 17:52:22 2002 g2JNqM411627 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:52:22 - g2K1wQI72544; Subject: Re: Fishing license Bob,Be glad you didn't do this in Wisconsin. The tax collectors here would want tosee a copy of your tax return to make sure you aren't trying to hide fromyour"obligations" by using an alternative name.Scott Bob Nunley wrote: List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a newone. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name ofRobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have onoccasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or HunleyorNumley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon- Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from flyfish@gbronline.com Tue Mar 19 17:52:31 2002 g2JNqQ411631 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:52:26 - Subject: Re: Fishing license Bob,you have to remember that you were Arkansas--that said, everything elsemakessense. Bob Nunley wrote: List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a newone. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name ofRobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have onoccasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or HunleyorNumley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon- Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Tue Mar 19 18:04:40 2002 g2K04d412610 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:04:39 - (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:48:56 -0600 Subject: RE: Fishing license Indeed, it did say Rodent Nunley, Jr. I guess that would imply that therewas a Rodent Sr. that felt the need to pass such a distinguished nomer tohis first born son. Strange world we live in. My own experience buying an Arkansas non-resident fishing license wasequally taxing. I spent 70 minutes (I sh*t you not) buying my license, at01:00 Friday morning. I was the only customer in the store, so you can'tuse the excuse that they were busy. 8 Wal-Mart rocket scientists could notfigure out how to do a fishing license on the "new" computerized system. Iended up figuring it out, and explaining it to them. They should have paidme at least the minimum wage that I earned that hour. Then they couldn'tfigure out how to charge for it in the cash register. I sure am glad I went through this again when I go back up for SRG..... WalMart was started in Arkansas, wasn't it? : )TAM -----Original Message----- Subject: Fishing license List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a newone. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name of RobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have onoccasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or HunleyorNumley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon- Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from dpeaston@wzrd.com Tue Mar 19 18:12:36 2002 g2K0Ca413119 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:12:36 - Subject: Re: Hal's Glue-Up Stretcher Great idea and nice drawing, but at 2.6 MB it kept my mail client working 1000X 700 pixels. JPG compression should give a file size of about 150 KB. Images can be re sampled or re sized by most image editing software before they are sent as attachments. Thanks,-Doug At 04:19 PM 3/19/2002 -0600, Frank Stetzer wrote: Kyle, I've applied my dim powers of reasoning to the problem of gettinga straight section out of glue-up, and here is what I've concluded. 1. INDIVIDUAL SPLINES MUST BE STRAIGHT TO BEGIN WITH. If youhave a crooked spline, no amount of tension while the gluesets will make it straight once the tension is off.2. What works for others might not work for me (or you).3. Rolling the section with a hard rubber roller, ala Howell'sbook, is a good way to make the splines nest together.4. A perfectly straight section laying on the bench may get bentjust by picking it up to to hang it. It think is more ofa problem for slow setting "slippery" glues like Epon than 5. Laying a straight section in the groove of your planing formand clamping/weighting it will work, but unless you haveseveral planing forms you can only do one section at a time. My current solution, which is still evolving, is a horizontal"rack" made of a 2x4, a screen-door spring and a couple ball-bearing swivels. After a real cursory hand untwisting & straightening,the rod section is "put on the rack" and stretched by the springas it lays on the 2x4, and I check for twist then roll with theroller, rotate and roll some more, all under tension. I use resorcinol and have to work pretty fast. But its alldone in 5 minutes and I'm on to the next section.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and aEmployed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from homes-sold@attbi.com Tue Mar 19 18:19:20 2002 g2K0JJ413668 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:19:19 - Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:19:09 +0000 Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Jim, stagecollects the big chunks and the second collects the dust in a filter. I havea set of plans for a two stage system around here someplace from an old"Wood Worker's Magazine" article. Any shop vac could be used for the finalstage instead of the power house suggested unit located between the fistandsecond stage. If you want it, let me know and I'll dig it out.Don----- Original Message ----- Subject: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Guys,After many years of faithful use, my beloved Craftsman 6hp, shop-vac hassucked its last shaving. Its last request was that I take yet anothershop- vac as my little helper around the shop and not digress to the 'broom' now, I'm ready. Ready to get out there and see what new low pressurehorizons lie ahead.Seriously though, the loss of the vac has been tough. My shop has neverlooked so unkept. I've been looking at new vacs here and there and havebeen kicking around the idea of installing a central dust collecting system.What I've discovered is that I need a new vac sooner than the time it willtake to do all the research. I hate to buy anything and wish later that Ihad done more homework.So, I'm asking the all knowing list for recommendations on current brands ofshop-vacs or dust collecting equipment appropriate for a small but busy rodshop? Has anyone purchased one of the Grizzly dust collectors or recentlypurchased a new shop-vac? Anyone not happy with vac equipment? Anytips?Thanks!JimH from channer@frontier.net Tue Mar 19 18:23:20 2002 g2K0NJ414004 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:23:19 - Subject: Re: Fishing license Bob;I'm glad to see your sense of humor is holding up! Not many would makethemselves the butt of their own joke.john Bob Nunley wrote: List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a newone. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name ofRobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have onoccasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or Hunleyor Numley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon-Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from homes-sold@attbi.com Tue Mar 19 18:37:54 2002 g2K0bs414780 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:37:54 - ;Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:37:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Fishing license List.The last time I went to Alberta, I had to go to four different places, 2.5hours, to get the complete Fishing License package. They have one part oftheir Fishing License that is good for five years, the other three are good later. When I got the plastic card later in the mail after the trip it saidI was from Zimbabwe. Now that is real close to Seattle, WA! Took anothermonth to get it straighten out. Go figure!Don----- Original Message ----- Subject: Fishing license List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a newone. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name of RobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have onoccasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or HunleyorNumley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon- Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from Grhghlndr@aol.com Tue Mar 19 19:12:08 2002 g2K1C7416054 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:12:07 - Subject: Re: Bret Reiter/Heart Attack rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Guys,I am sitting here after reading all the e-mails I have gotten from you everyone concerning my well being. First and foremost I want to thank everyone for all the kind words and the kind thoughts about me. I had a heart attack Sunday afternoon and I ended up going in last night for angioplasty and a stent in my heart. I had 95% blockage of one of my main arteries into the bottom of my heartand the DR. told me if this had happened in a few more months I would probably not be writing this thanks to you because he said I most likely would have not made it. here I am 5'6"s tall, 155#s with blood cholesterol of 152, BP of 115 over 62 most of the time and pulse of 62. The cardio DR and myfamily DR both told me I am about the last guy in the world that they expect would be having a heart attack. I hope no one else on this list ever has to go through the pain that I had on Sunday afternoon because it hurt more than I could have ever imagined anything to be like.I have to tell you guys something and it will make you laugh. I had an episode Sunday morning early where I had some pain and shortness of breath but I blew it off. Later in the day my wife was going to the store and I was going to stay home and study for a test in history class Monday night. So here I go downstairs to throw in some laundry and I run back up the steps because I never walk I always run, and I have a worse episode. So I call my wife on the phone and tell her she should come home and maybe take me tothe hospital. Well, she calls me back in 15 minutes and tells me where she is and how much longer it should take to get home. I tell her that I am feeling better and just go to the store and I will call the DR on Monday morning. Well, here I am sitting on the couch and I get a little pain in my chest and I go what the heck is going on here. So I tell myself, I am going to get to the bottom of this. So I get up and go to the stairs and run up and down the about 5 times to get my heart rate up to see if this is brought on by exertion or stress. I tell myself I am either going to kill myself or find out it is not brought on by this. HOLY COW the pain starts and never stops and builds and builds. So Now I call 911 and tell them I am having a heart attack and I need an ambulance fast. OK now here is the funny part. I tell both my DRs the next day and what do they tell me. HEY Bret no more home stress tests. But at least I got to the bottom of it all and they both told me maybe it was a good idea I did this because I may have put it off too late otherwise. Does this sound like someone else on the list and something they may have done?Anyway they say I am going to be OK and that I just need to change some things and I have to take some medicine for the rest of my life. I also have to get bedrest until Friday and then I can go back to my normal routine. OH YEH and the DR told me too and I am passing it on to you guys. He said we should all be taking an aspirin a day and there is a baby aspirin out there made especially for guys like us.Thanks again to all who wrote me and my wife about my condition.Brethttp://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ Guys,I am sitting here after reading all the e-mails I have gotten from you a heart attack Sunday afternoon and I ended up going in last night for I had 95% blockage of one of my main arteries into the bottom of my heartand the DR. told me if this had happened in a few more months I wouldprobably not be writing this thanks to you because he said I most likely would DR and my family DR both told me I am about the last guy in the world that list ever has to go through the pain that I had on Sunday afternoon becauseit hurt more than I could have ever imagined anything to be like. episode Sunday morning early where I had some pain and shortness of breath was going to stay home and study for a test in history class Monday up the steps because I never walk I always run, and I have a worse home and maybe take me to the hospital. Well, she calls me back in 15minutes and tells me where she is and how much longer it should take to get and I get a little pain in my chest and I go what the heck is going on So I get up and go to!the stairs and run up and down the about 5 times to get my heart rate up to the pain starts and never stops and builds and builds. So Now I call 911 and least I got to the bottom of it all and they both told me maybe it was a good this sound like someone else on the list and something they may havedone?Anyway they say I am going to be OK and that I just need to change some have to get bedrest until Friday and then I can go back to my normal baby aspirin out there made especially for guys like us.Thanks again to all who wrote me and my wife about my condition.Brethttp://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ from Grhghlndr@aol.com Tue Mar 19 19:30:01 2002 g2K1U1416729 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:30:01 - Subject: Re: Fishing license OK Nunley, here I am sitting at the computer after coming home today fromthe hospital and what do I read but another funny episode in your life and now I am sitting here cracking up and having chest pains again because this is so dang funny. Man what are trying to do kill me? I just got over one heart attack Rodent. HA HA!Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ OK Nunley, here I amsitting at the computer after coming home today from the hospital and whatdo I read but another funny episode in your life and now I am sitting herecracking up and having chest pains again because this is so dang Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ from irish-george@chartermi.net Tue Mar 19 19:41:56 2002 g2K1fs417357 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:41:54 - Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector In addition to making the system two-stage as Brian suggested, make sureyour dust collection system is grounded...that is, the collection piping isgrounded so you don't get static creating a spark igniting the dust andshavings. If you use plastic pipe, run many grounding wires. George ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Guys,After many years of faithful use, my beloved Craftsman 6hp, shop-vac has sucked its last shaving. Its last request was that I take yet anothershop-vac as my little helper around the shop and not digress to the 'broom' now, I'm ready. Ready to get out there and see what new low pressurehorizons lie ahead. Seriously though, the loss of the vac has been tough. My shop has never looked so unkept. I've been looking at new vacs here and there and havebeen kicking around the idea of installing a central dust collecting system.What I've discovered is that I need a new vac sooner than the time it willtake to do all the research. I hate to buy anything and wish later that Ihad done more homework. So, I'm asking the all knowing list for recommendations on current brands of shop-vacs or dust collecting equipment appropriate for a small but busyrod shop? Has anyone purchased one of the Grizzly dust collectors orrecently purchased a new shop-vac? Anyone not happy with vac equipment?Any tips? Thanks!JimH from blitzenrods@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 19:55:43 2002 g2K1tg417903 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:55:42 - Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:55:38 PST Subject: Re: Hal's Glue-Up Stretcher I was thinking the same thing Frank says in #1 aboutthe splines needing to be straight going into the glueup process, since straightening bamboo whether inspline form or blank form requires heating thenover-bending, to get it to rebound back to the pointof straight. When planing or milling, a strip rides into the grooveor template as the plane passes over or the rollerguide directs its path into the cutters, so we may ormay not worry about whether the sweeps in a strip arestraight before glue up. It's optional. 2x2x2 or 3x3 node spacing might be advantageous inthat sweeps are usually somewhat consistant inadjacently split strips so when bound together youmight assume the pressures would work to offset eachother and arrive somewhere in the area of a straighterblank. I know that doesn't always happen, but itsounds good in theory if you were wanting to promote2x2x2 or 3x3 node spacing. Maybe this is one morereason so many rod companies used 3x3, to reduce theamount of final straightening. --- Frank Stetzer wrote: Kyle, I've applied my dim powers of reasoning to theproblem of gettinga straight section out of glue-up, and here is whatI've concluded. 1. INDIVIDUAL SPLINES MUST BE STRAIGHT TO BEGINWITH. If youhave a crooked spline, no amount of tension whilethe gluesets will make it straight once the tension isoff.2. What works for others might not work for me (oryou).3. Rolling the section with a hard rubber roller,ala Howell'sbook, is a good way to make the splines nesttogether.4. A perfectly straight section laying on the benchmay get bentjust by picking it up to to hang it. It think ismore ofa problem for slow setting "slippery" glues likeEpon than 5. Laying a straight section in the groove of yourplaning formand clamping/weighting it will work, but unlessyou have several planing forms you can only do one sectionat a time. My current solution, which is still evolving, is ahorizontal"rack" made of a 2x4, a screen-door spring and acouple ball-bearing swivels. After a real cursory handuntwisting & straightening,the rod section is "put on the rack" and stretched as it lays on the 2x4, and I check for twist thenroll with the roller, rotate and roll some more, all undertension. I use resorcinol and have to work pretty fast. Butits alldone in 5 minutes and I'm on to the next section. ...................................................................... Frank Stetzer "...a cheerfulcomrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than awaterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman'sLuck", 1899. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Tue Mar 19 20:02:54 2002 g2K22q418291 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:02:52 - Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:59:49 +0800 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:59:49 +0800 Rod Makers List Serve Subject: RE: NZ Gathering I wasn't going to tell him, but I'm sure the smell will give the game away :) Tony wants those back after what we did to them? from tedknott@cogeco.ca Tue Mar 19 20:09:55 2002 g2K29s418692 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:09:54 - Subject: Re: Hal's Glue-Up Stretcher I use a 2x2 node spacing and find that 90% of the "kinks" are on or within 11/2" of a node. from Grnmtrds@aol.com Tue Mar 19 20:23:11 2002 g2K2NA419761 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:23:10 - for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:22:59 - Subject: re:fishing lic. It sounds like our x-president must have trained the folks at Walmart. Hewas from Ark.,wasn't he? They said he was smart, but I don't remember whoaccused him of being that way. Maybe it was someone else from Ark. Jim from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Tue Mar 19 20:27:06 2002 g2K2R5420693 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:27:05 - (authenticated) Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:26:59 -0800 Bamboo Rodmakers List Subject: Re: Pen and Rod signatures Mark, Try Pigma Micron .001 in black, available from places like Michael's andHobby Lobby, as well as the stationary and scrapbook stores my better halfsometimes frequents. Harry Can someone give me the name of a good pen for rod signatures.Is itcommonto use a quill pen with India ink or are there felt tip pens that will dothe job. -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from rcrensha@midsouth.rr.com Tue Mar 19 20:34:54 2002 g2K2Yr421273 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:34:53 - g2K2Yob13682; Subject: Re: Fishing license Hey Rat,Change that Bunny Bob to Squirrel (Nuts) Nunley. Rabbits aren'trodents. You are spared from that appellation for the time being. Rick----- Original Message ----- Subject: Fishing license List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a new one. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name of Robert Nunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have on occasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or Hunley or Numley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon-Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I take it to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for the junk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from bob@downandacross.com Tue Mar 19 21:00:25 2002 g2K30O422065 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:00:24 - "Bamboo Rodmakers List" Subject: RE: Pen and Rod signatures Yep, same here Harry. Got my last one at the college bookstore betweengraduate classes.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Pen and Rod signatures Mark, Try Pigma Micron .001 in black, available from places like Michael's andHobby Lobby, as well as the stationary and scrapbook stores my better halfsometimes frequents. Harry Can someone give me the name of a good pen for rod signatures.Is it common to use a quill pen with India ink or are there felt tip pens that will do the job. -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from Jkvseafood@aol.com Tue Mar 19 21:09:58 2002 g2K39v422467 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:09:57 - for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:09:48 - Subject: dissapointed hello group, could use some help finding the 212 scrapper. a few weeks ago andrew luu sold some items to some list members. you of these people have received the 212 scrapper i purchased. if you received the scrapper by mistake with your package please contact either myself or andrew luu at luu_andrew@hotmail.com. i don't think anyone on the list would intentionally keep my scrapper. thank you for your help. john from jojo@ipa.net Tue Mar 19 21:16:06 2002 g2K3G6422847 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:16:06 -0600 helo=default) id 16nWa3-0007FJ-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:16:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Fishing license More particularly he was in Mountain Home, Arkansas where thepreponderance of the population isSnowbird transplants who outnumber the natives by at least 40:1, working atevery piddling jobavailable, which includes Wal-Mart -- that said, everything else makes sense.;o) I also happen to know that Rodent's real last name is Numbley, thatsomewhere along the line it waschanged, and therefore his real name is Rodent Numbley. M-D Bob,you have to remember that you were Arkansas--that said, everything elsemakessense. Bob Nunley wrote: List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a newone. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name ofRobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have onoccasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or HunleyorNumley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon- Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from dryfly@erols.com Tue Mar 19 21:16:19 2002 g2K3GI422899 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:16:18 - ([208.58.201.133] helo=homeserver) id 16nWaG-0006TB-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:16:17 -0500 Subject: Epon I'm plan to glue up my first nodeless rod on Saturday and will be using =Epon. I've used URAC185 for all my other rods, so using Epon is a new =adventure. Are there any tips or suggestions I should know prior to =using Epon? I'm aware that vinegar can be used in cleanup. What about =mixing proportions and quantity (again I know what I need to know for =URAC but not for Epon)? Also I heat treat my URAC glued up blanks for =an hour at 150-170 degrees. Do I need to do anything with Epon glued =blank? How long after I glue can I straighten the bound blank? Sorry for all the questions, but I hate to make a mistake after all the =work I done up to this point. ThanksBob I'm plan to glue up my first nodeless = = blank? Sorry for all the questions, but I hate = mistake after all the work I done up to this point. ThanksBob from lblan@provide.net Tue Mar 19 21:16:24 2002 g2K3GO422930 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:16:24 - for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:16:18 - Subject: RE: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector This is not really necessary for a home shop sized unit, and just running agrounding wire does not do all that much anyway. I can dig up technicalreferences if anyone is interested. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector In addition to making the system two-stage as Brian suggested, make sureyour dust collection system is grounded...that is, the collectionpiping isgrounded so you don't get static creating a spark igniting the dust andshavings. If you use plastic pipe, run many grounding wires. George ----- Original Message -----From: "James Harris" Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:42 PMSubject: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Guys,After many years of faithful use, my beloved Craftsman 6hp, shop- vachas sucked its last shaving. Its last request was that I take yet anothershop-vac as my little helper around the shop and not digress tothe 'broom' now, I'm ready. Ready to get out there and see what new low pressurehorizons lie ahead. Seriously though, the loss of the vac has been tough. My shop has never looked so unkept. I've been looking at new vacs here and there and havebeen kicking around the idea of installing a central dustcollecting system.What I've discovered is that I need a new vac sooner than the time it willtake to do all the research. I hate to buy anything and wish later that Ihad done more homework. So, I'm asking the all knowing list for recommendations on current brandsof shop-vacs or dust collecting equipment appropriate for a small but busyrod shop? Has anyone purchased one of the Grizzly dust collectors orrecently purchased a new shop-vac? Anyone not happy with vacequipment?Any tips? Thanks!JimH from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Mar 19 21:27:54 2002 g2K3Rr423867 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:27:53 - Subject: Re: Freaky - Not Bamboo Related In a message dated 3/19/02 10:40:12 AM Central Standard Time, KyleDruey@aol.com writes: Yeah, I did, as a professional magician, I can't reveal it tho! (yeah I am!) mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Tue Mar 19 21:33:49 2002 g2K3Xm424260 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:33:49 - 0000 Subject: Re: Fishing license Well Bob, We could start the Arkansas jokes here, or you could just adapt the monikerto your website. Bob "Canerat" Nunley? canerat.com - has a nice ringto it actually. It's probably too late to ward off the junk mail - this could be aninteresting test though. Time it to see how fast the state of Arkansassells your name. KurtNixa, MO-----Original Message----- Subject: Fishing license List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a new one. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name ofRobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have on occasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or HunleyorNumley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon-Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from jojo@ipa.net Tue Mar 19 21:35:18 2002 g2K3ZI424474 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:35:18 -0600 helo=default) id 16nWsc-00015X-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:35:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Sears/Craftsman has two vacuum system setups, one for $80.00, and theother for $100.00 -- pipes,elbows, gate valves, etc. They did have a sale on their 6 HP, 16 gallonWet/Dry vac. I couldn'tresist. ;o) Anyone know how to use one of these contraptions? The tubesdon't seem to fit my handsvery well. M-D Has anyone purchased one of the Grizzlydust collectors or recently purchased a new shop-vac? Anyone nothappy with vac equipment? Any tips?Thanks!JimH from goodaple@cox-internet.com Tue Mar 19 21:37:40 2002 g2K3bd424743 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:37:39 -0600 (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license180e1de7f543f89455b24e508f9cca39) Subject: Re: Fishing license No offense Bob, But I had a book about you when I was a kid , somethingabout a mouse on a motorcycle or of sorts. :>) Randall G. NW AR.----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Fishing license More particularly he was in Mountain Home, Arkansas where the preponderance of the population is Snowbird transplants who outnumber the natives by at least 40:1, working at every piddling job available, which includes Wal-Mart -- that said, everything else makes sense. ;o) I also happen to know that Rodent's real last name is Numbley, that somewhere along the line it was changed, and therefore his real name is Rodent Numbley. M-D From: "Greg Kuntz" Bob,you have to remember that you were Arkansas--that said, everything else makes sense. Bob Nunley wrote: List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a complete stranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a new one. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info into his little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name of Robert Nunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have on occasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley orHunley or Numley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon-Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I take it to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for the junk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Mar 19 21:37:43 2002 g2K3bg424747 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:37:42 - Subject: Re: Pen and Rod signatures rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In a message dated 3/19/02 5:16:25 PM Central Standard Time,dybam@oct.net writes: Dude! I would go to the local art supply place (MIchaels etc.) and get an "Art pen" or Lettering pen, a seperate handle and a brass nib, and a bottle of india ink and use that. Quill Pen? come on! If you really want to, you can do that, get a goose feather or a turkey feather, use a pocket knife to cut the base of teh quill and make it into a pen point, but most are supply stores have drawing pens for cheap prices, a couple of bucks should do it! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from Lazybee45@aol.com Tue Mar 19 21:39:37 2002 g2K3da425175 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:39:36 - Subject: Re: Fishing license In a message dated 3/19/02 5:30:39 PM Central Standard Time,caneman@clnk.com writes: ROFLMAO! Hahahahahahhahahahahahhaha! GASP! wheeeze! Og GAWD BOB,don't DO that to me! I am an OLD man! Oh hell! Geeeze! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Tue Mar 19 21:41:00 2002 g2K3f0425448 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:41:00 - 0000 Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector I just purchased the Grizzly G8027 dust collector ( the smallest one with anupper and lower bag) in January. My shopvac has been relegated to thegarage. With a 3" hose it will suck up just about anything that gets in theway. MUCH quieter than a Shopvac when running with a lathe or when sanding wood dust over the years and this thing is a life saver. I had built one years ago from old clothes dryer parts and a fiber drum, butit was scrapped several moves ago. If you are seeking to run an entire shopwith multiple tools running at once, this one would be too small (low CFM),but for 1 tool at a time in a small shop it works great. They have whatthey call floor sweeps, which is a trap door at floor level and is designedto sweep stuff over to it and it sucks it up. I also vacum with mine butkeep the pets and small children away. 8-) KurtNixa, MO -----Original Message----- Subject: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Guys,After many years of faithful use, my beloved Craftsman 6hp, shop-vac has sucked its last shaving. Its last request was that I take yet anothershop-vac as my little helper around the shop and not digress to the 'broom' now, I'm ready. Ready to get out there and see what new low pressurehorizons lie ahead. Seriously though, the loss of the vac has been tough. My shop has never looked so unkept. I've been looking at new vacs here and there and havebeen kicking around the idea of installing a central dust collecting system.What I've discovered is that I need a new vac sooner than the time it willtake to do all the research. I hate to buy anything and wish later that Ihad done more homework. So, I'm asking the all knowing list for recommendations on current brands of shop-vacs or dust collecting equipment appropriate for a small but busyrod shop? Has anyone purchased one of the Grizzly dust collectors orrecently purchased a new shop-vac? Anyone not happy with vac equipment?Any tips? Thanks!JimH from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Tue Mar 19 21:45:01 2002 g2K3j0425768 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:45:00 - 0000 "Bamboo Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: Pen and Rod signatures Rotring Rapidoliner - available at drafting supply or good art shops.About $17 and disposable, but mine has been going for over a year withoutclogging or drying up. They come in various point sizes - black ink.Other technical pens will work also - I have a Staedtler marsmatic700refillable, but it tends to dry out and clog. KurtNixa, MO -----Original Message----- ; Bamboo Rodmakers List Subject: Re: Pen and Rod signatures Can someone give me the name of a good pen for rod signatures.Is itcommonto use a quill pen with India ink or are there felt tip pens that will dothe job.Mark ----- Original Message -----From: Bob Nunley Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:54 PMSubject: Re: First Culms on the way-- questions? Eric,Keeping them in the house is fine... Beware the loud "POPS" that occur when the stuff starts to make it's own check splits! Sometimes they'resubtle, sometimes they sound like a small caliber gun going off in yourhome.As for special precautions with the humidity, I live in Oklahoma in the "Arkansas River Valley" and the humidity here is considered low if it's less than 50%, so don't worry much about that. You're going to remove that extra moisture it gains from the air in the heat treating process, so it shouldn't be much of a concern for now. would just build a simple heat gun oven. Not considering the cost of the heatgun, I probably have $30 tied up in mine and it's been blistering cane for almost a decade, now. There are several sites out there that have plans for heat gun ovens, although I can't recall where off hand. Maybe someone else will chime in and provide a URL. later,Bob Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Eric Young" Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:31 PMSubject: First Culms on the way-- questions? List, Well, I have taken my biggest step in this process so far. I ordered my first culms of Bamboo today. Anyway, I have a question about storage, as I have no idea how long it will take me to finish colecting my tools and contraptions. How and where should I stored my Culms until I am ready to use them? I'm in Florida also, so is there any special precautions I need to take since the humidity is so high down here. It was 87Ÿ heretoday...sorry had to throw that in:^) Is keeping them in the house OK or are there other precations I should take? I have another question, and I'll just ask it here to save banwidth. Ineed an oven setup, and was wondering what you all would recomend forafirst time setup? I want something functional, but not so complicated it will take me til June to gather the parts and put it togther. My wife is already getting suspicous of all these UPS trucks stopping by the houselately:^) TIA!!Eric =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from jvswan@earthlink.net Tue Mar 19 21:46:32 2002 g2K3kV426011 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:46:31 - (216.160.236.98) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: Pen and Rod signatures , Rodmakers If you do go that route, you might consider the "Testers" model paint. Iknow black india ink is the tradition... Anyway, I have been using thatmodel paint and a calligraphy pen with a small nib for years to write on mygraphite rods. It comes in some nice metallic colors or good solids. It isalso fairly resistant to solvents once it dries, so it goes under varnish and polyurethane really well. It flows from the pen nicely, too. Very easyto write with, just make sure there aren't any drips on the tip of the penbefore touching it to the rod, or you get a really thick stroke. Jason On 3/19/02 8:37 PM, "Lazybee45@aol.com" wrote: I would go to the local art supply place (MIchaels etc.) and get an "Art pen" or Lettering pen, a seperate handle and a brass nib, and a bottleof india ink and use that. from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Tue Mar 19 21:55:33 2002 g2K3tW426577 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:55:32 - "Bamboo Rodmakers List" Subject: Re: First Culms on the way--questions? In addition to what has been said, if there is not a full length check splitin the culm, I would put one in as soon as you get it. If there are partialsplits, choose one and work it the full length of the culm. This willprevent you from having to work around multiple small check splits whichlocate themselves in the most inconvenient places. KurtNixa, MO -----Original Message----- Subject: First Culms on the way--questions? List, Well, I have taken my biggest step in this process so far. I ordered myfirst culms of Bamboo today. Anyway, I have a question about storage, asI have no idea how long it will take me to finish colecting my tools andcontraptions. How and where should I stored my Culms until I am ready touse them? I'm in Florida also, so is there any special precautions I needto take since the humidity is so high down here. It was 87Ÿ heretoday...sorry had to throw that in:^) Is keeping them in the house OK orare there other precations I should take? I have another question, and I'll just ask it here to save banwidth. Ineed an oven setup, and was wondering what you all would recomend for afirst time setup? I want something functional, but not so complicated itwill take me til June to gather the parts and put it togther. My wife isalready getting suspicous of all these UPS trucks stopping by the houselately:^) TIA!!Eric =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from mrmac@tcimet.net Tue Mar 19 22:17:52 2002 g2K4Hp427346 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:17:51 - Subject: Re: Epon Bob,Here is a link to the Epon/Epicure data sheet at the Versatics site, ifyou're interested:http://www.resins- versatics.com/resins\resins.nsf/Literature/sc:1680/$file/SC1680.pdf Although I used 1:1 for my first rod, and it seems OK, since reading theliterature I have been using 2:1 828 to 3140 and then the last few rodsdoing a 200* heat set for 2 hours after 14 - 16 hours at room temps,just because the properties show improvement in the spec sheet. Othersmay have more experience with the "need" to do the heat set. Looking atthe left over epoxy after a few days, it sure looks like pretty toughstuff. someone on the list about using isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol, which Iprefer mostly due not caring for the vinegar odor, and it seems to be alittle more aggressive in cleaning up the uncured epoxy. I find the blank will stay workable for many hours - even up to 6 - 8hrs, so you can diddle to your heart's content with getting every littletiny bend, twist, and kink out, or if you are as adept as I am at suchthings, can put several back in for every one removed, providing formany hours of entertainment. [;-)] I usually mix up somewhere around 15 grams for a section using 10 gms828 and 5 gms 3140, resulting in probably a little more than you'd need,but I'd rather have some left than wish I had. Just what works for me - I imagine other folks have their preferences. Hope it helps you out, mac from canazon@mindspring.com Tue Mar 19 22:53:19 2002 g2K4rI428484 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:53:18 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16nY5z-00071s-00; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:53:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector are these systems vented to the outside of your shop or do they exhaustbackinto the room?mike ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Jim:I have the Rigid 5 HP shop vac and the Rigid portable air filtration set up. from saweiss@flash.net Tue Mar 19 23:10:57 2002 g2K5Au429115 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:10:56 - g2K5ArR202972 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:10:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Organization: Prodigy Internet I use a central dust collector with PVC piping. I ran bare copper wirethrough the inside of the PVC and spiraled some more around the outside ofthe PVC, grounded it all. May be I'm overly nervous, but better safe thansorry.Steve This is not really necessary for a home shop sized unit, and just running a grounding wire does not do all that much anyway. I can dig up technicalreferences if anyone is interested. Larry Blan In addition to making the system two-stage as Brian suggested, makesureyour dust collection system is grounded...that is, the collectionpiping isgrounded so you don't get static creating a spark igniting the dust andshavings. If you use plastic pipe, run many grounding wires. George from saweiss@flash.net Tue Mar 19 23:15:19 2002 g2K5FI429447 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:15:18 - g2K5FGR144108 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:15:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Epon Organization: Prodigy Internet Bob,I use Epon, take the string off after about 8-10 hours and do serious =straightening without heat. Then heat-set for a couple of hours at about =150. The sections are then well cured.Steve I'm plan to glue up my first nodeless rod on Saturday and will be =using Epon. I've used URAC185 for all my other rods, so using Epon is a =new adventure. Are there any tips or suggestions I should know prior to =using Epon? I'm aware that vinegar can be used in cleanup. What about =mixing proportions and quantity (again I know what I need to know for =URAC but not for Epon)? Also I heat treat my URAC glued up blanks for =an hour at 150-170 degrees. Do I need to do anything with Epon glued =blank? How long after I glue can I straighten the bound blank? Sorry for all the questions, but I hate to make a mistake after all =the work I done up to this point. ThanksBob Bob,I use Epon, take the string off after about 8-10 hours and do = straightening without heat. Then heat-set for a couple of hours at about = The sections are then well cured.Steve I'm plan to glue up my first nodeless = after I glue can I straighten the bound blank? Sorry for all the questions, but I = mistake after all the work I done up to this point. ThanksBob from HalManas@aol.com Wed Mar 20 00:02:04 2002 g2K623402971 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:02:03 - for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:01:46 - Subject: Rod finish, rod tubes, water, etc. List,Sunday I had a small flood in my basement including my shop area. It took about an hour to get things under control, but it was not until the next day that I realized that I had some rod tubes leaning against a wall off to the side. When I checked them I found that two of them had leaked and were still holding some water in them. One was one of those cloth covered reel on rod tubes. That it leaked is no big surprise, but the other was an aluminum rod tube from REC. Now that surprised me. The good news, both rods were fine. Both had been finished with hand rubbed tung oil and then waxed. This does seem to do OK. The aluminum rod tube was rolled under at the bottom with a disc pressed against the roll. I am now sealing all that I have with silicone sealer. By the way, I had some PVC tubes that did not leak. On the topic of the day, I used to teach at the Tennessee School for the Deaf, but when I tried to get a membership card from Sam's club (part of Walmart) the girl typed Tennessee School for the Dead. I thought it was great and asked if I could keep it, but she was too embarrassed and cut it up and made a new one. Not as good as being named Rodent, but still ... Hal from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 00:04:06 2002 g2K644403469 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:04:04 - Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:04:04 PST Subject: Re: Fishing license bob, better than a sharp stick to the head, eh? timothy --- Bob Nunley wrote: List,did you ever wonder if you had done somethingto aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug thisweekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the localWalMart store to get a newone. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts totype in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of themis in the name of RobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, orsomething similar. I have onoccasion has someone misinterpret the last name andput Munley or Hunley orNumley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for somepeople. My new ArkansasNon- Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEYJR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... Myquestion is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, orshould I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informedlist would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from d.kennedy@paradise.net.nz Wed Mar 20 02:45:27 2002 g2K8jP411251 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:45:26 - id 5420FD1FF7; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:45:13 +1200 (NZST) +1200 "caneman@clnk.com" ,"dannyt@frisurf.no" Subject: RE: NZ Gathering Now that it's all out in the open,Tony, I have been a member of the list for 18 months or so, and I had come to respect your opinions on rodmaking and general Southern Hemisphere fishing and the Manly pursuit of Outdoor Sports. Just goes to show how wrong you can be.......... DGK -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: NZ Gathering I could say more on the subject but for now I'll just say MIKE I WANY MYBLOODY WADERS BACK AND I HOPE YOU FREEZE NEXT TIME!!!! [:-)] TY At 03:44 AM 3/19/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: I guess we'll have to look to Mike to clarify that. I could have sworn hesaid it was Tony Young, but surely he was talking about another Tony. I met Tony Young and he was a Man's Man, sorta fella. He sure didn't seem thesort that would need neoprene waders in warm water, or that wouldconsiderthe waters of the Riwaka or Motueka to be COLD!!! Yeah, must be anotherTony! What about it, Mike????? Who was it anyway, the buddy that sent them with him? danny Danny,Yeah, but it wasn't his fault... Mike could tough it out... he couldtake it! Seems his buddy is the one that sent the Wimp Socks with him! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Mar 20 03:09:54 2002 g2K99q411830 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:09:52 - "caneman@clnk.com" ,"dannyt@frisurf.no" Subject: RE: NZ Gathering Er, thanks mate...... ... . TY At 08:34 PM 3/20/02 +1200, d.kennedy wrote: Now that it's all out in the open,Tony, I have been a member of the list for 18 months or so, and I had cometo respect your opinions on rodmaking and general Southern Hemispherefishing and the Manly pursuit of Outdoor Sports. Just goes to show how wrong you can be.......... DGK -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 22:26 Cc: Rod Makers List ServeSubject: Re: NZ Gathering I could say more on the subject but for now I'll just say MIKE I WANY MYBLOODY WADERS BACK AND I HOPE YOU FREEZE NEXT TIME!!!! [:-)] TY At 03:44 AM 3/19/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: I guess we'll have to look to Mike to clarify that. I could have sworn hesaid it was Tony Young, but surely he was talking about another Tony. I met Tony Young and he was a Man's Man, sorta fella. He sure didn't seem thesort that would need neoprene waders in warm water, or that wouldconsiderthe waters of the Riwaka or Motueka to be COLD!!! Yeah, must beanotherTony! What about it, Mike????? Who was it anyway, the buddy that sent them with him? danny Danny,Yeah, but it wasn't his fault... Mike could tough it out... he couldtake it! Seems his buddy is the one that sent the Wimp Socks with him! Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Mar 20 03:27:58 2002 g2K9Ru412308 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:27:57 - ttalsma@macatawa.org, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Bret Reiter/Heart Attack Well, as the poet and singer Neil Young wrote "It's better to burn out than to fade away"; but not just yet mate, not just yet. Tony At 08:11 PM 3/19/02 -0500, Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote: the steps because I never walk I always run, and I have a worse episode. So I call my wife on the phone and tell her she should come home and maybe take me to the hospital. Well, she calls me back in 15 minutes and tells me where she is and how much longer it should take to get home. I tell her that I am feeling better and just go to the store and I will call the DR on Monday morning. Well, here I am sitting on the couch and I get a little pain in my chest and I go what the heck is going on here. So I tell myself, I am going to get to the bottom of this. So I get up and go to! the stairs and run up and down the about 5 times to get my heart rate up to see if this is brought on by exertion or stress. I tell myself I am either going to kill myself or find out it is not brought on by this. HOLY COW the pain starts and never stops and builds and builds. So Now I call 911 and tell them I am having a heart attack and I need an ambulance fast. OK now here is the funny part. I tell both my DRs the next day and what do they tell me. HEY Bret no more home stress tests. But at least I got to the bottom of it all and they both told me maybe it was a good idea I did this because I may have put it off too late otherwise. Does this sound like someone else on the list and something they may have done? /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from caneman@clnk.com Wed Mar 20 03:30:19 2002 g2K9UJ412568 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:30:19 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Fishing license uh... yeah, it was definitely better than the sharp stick in the head that Igot. Hell, everyone said, "Your Bleeding, Bob"... I thought they werejoking, then when I wiped my forehead and saw blood, I thought it was just atiny scratch to the forehead. Later, I felt the top of my head, which had a1" long by 1/4" wide piece of scalp hanging from it. I tried to solicithelp to glue it back on, since it had about a half a dozen hairs attached toit, but everyone was so excited that I got hurt in a new country, theywouldn't stop to help. Oh, Well... 6 hairs... so what... it's only about athird of my total top growth anyways! Later,bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Fishing license bob, better than a sharp stick to the head, eh?timothy --- Bob Nunley wrote: List,did you ever wonder if you had done somethingto aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug thisweekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the localWalMart store to get a newone. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts totype in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of themis in the name of RobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, orsomething similar. I have onoccasion has someone misinterpret the last name andput Munley or Hunley orNumley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for somepeople. My new ArkansasNon- Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEYJR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... Myquestion is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, orshould I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informedlist would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from Lazybee45@aol.com Wed Mar 20 04:56:07 2002 g2KAu6413685 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:56:06 - for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 05:54:35 - Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector In a message dated 3/19/02 10:53:55 PM Central Standard Time, canazon@mindspring.com writes: Ya know, there is a really cool setup. We have one at work that operates as a shop vac, but is really an in-home system. One of the Beam remote vaccuum's. these critturs are intended to be installed in your home with vents every so often to be used with a set of hoses rather than haul arounda heavy cannister or something. USUALLY these are mountd in a remot spotsuch as the garage and are not intended for being carried around. At work we have one mounted on a wall and use it to clean out trucks and cars. TheBEST point here is the means to achieve it. cost you NOTHING and possibly get yousome really nice benefit from SWMBO! Ahem....devious mind at work. Tell your significant other that you think she works too hard around the house and she needs a "Home Vaccuumsystem" that will make her cleaning chores easier. When the guy comes to install the ductwork, have him install a couple of the ducts in strategic locations in your work shop. Voy-LAA! she is happy, you are happy, Also these thingsare not IN the shop so you don't have to put up with the screaming of a shop-vac. Best of all, YOU BOUGHT HER SOMETHING NICE and it didn't come out of your "discretionary funds" for your "toys" eh? goood thinking?mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from Lazybee45@aol.com Wed Mar 20 05:01:13 2002 g2KB1C413916 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 05:01:12 -0600 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:00:58 -0500 Subject: OT sortof Fly tiers Rendevous Montecello Iowa, hosted by the local TU chapter. Happily, SWMBO has a friend's wedding that SAME day and I will not be forced to go as well (damned monkey suits anyway!) So a few of us from the local area are planning to make a day of it and heat to the Great Jones County Fairgrounds (the youth building) and watchpeople tie flies. Monticello is on Hwy 151 between Cedar Rapids and Dubuque Iowa. a nice little town. The propriator of the local Men's store Michaels Clothing, is the teacher of our fly tying class. Nice guy! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from petermckean@netspace.net.au Wed Mar 20 05:10:44 2002 g2KBAg414278 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 05:10:42 - g2KBAW153515 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:10:33 Subject: hang up Is someone sending something humungous, or is my server playing up? Peter from bob@downandacross.com Wed Mar 20 06:11:59 2002 g2KCBw415345 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:11:58 - , Subject: RE: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector They do blow back into the room. I try my best to keep them clean.Bob -----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector are these systems vented to the outside of your shop or do they exhaustbackinto the room?mike ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Jim:I have the Rigid 5 HP shop vac and the Rigid portable air filtration set up. from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Wed Mar 20 06:31:19 2002 g2KCVJ415829 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:31:19 - g2KCVAdd004549 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:31:10 - Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Jim, I've been using one of the Grizzly dust collectors for about 7 years now, and it works great. I have the 2 bag, 110 volt version. I had to buy the .5 micron bags for its original intended use, because I was cutting and routing a lot of balsa for a model airplane kit business I used to own. I set up the shop using the 6" flexible hose, "T" and "Y" fittings, and about a half a dozen "gates" to hook up to my individual machines. It didn't catch all the dust, but it caught about 95% of it. I ended up also building a ceiling mounted "fine" dust catcher, made out of a couple of really fine furnace filters, and a squirrel cage fan unit. I'd say that caught about 99% of the rest of the real fine balsa dust. Balsa dust is really nasty stuff, in that it's so fine, and light, and it gets everywhere. I ended up also wearing a respirator whenever I was cutting and routing the wood, otherwise I'd be coughing for a week, and blowing out balsa nasties in my handkerchief at night. Cane and the woods we use for rods shouldn't create that fine of a dust, so you shouldn't need to go to those extremes. I also have a "T" drop with a gate and a benchtop collector, so I can sweep the crud on my bench right into the mouth. Don't need a dust pan.... I've got the same setup to one corner of my work shop floor, so all I have to do is sweep the floor mess over to the collector. No need to bend over id you don't have to. The nice thing about the flexible hose, if you ever re-arrange your shop like I just did, you just move the hose. With the solid pipes, it makes it a bit more difficult. If you do go with a dust collector, make sure you run bare copper wire through the ducting from the dust collector to each individual machine, so that you ground out the static build up in the hoses or pipes that you use. It's pretty amazing how much static electricity can build up in those hoses or pipes. I've heard stories of dust explosions and fires caused by the static electricity build up. If you have any other questions, let me know. Mark At 02:42 PM 3/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: Guys,After many years of faithful use, my beloved Craftsman 6hp, shop-vac has sucked its last shaving. Its last request was that I take yet another shop-vac as my little helper around the shop and not digress to the 'broom' for any longer than grieving would require. That was two weeks ago, and now, I'm ready. Ready to get out there and see what new low pressure horizons lie ahead.Seriously though, the loss of the vac has been tough. My shop has never looked so unkept. I've been looking at new vacs here and there and have been kicking around the idea of installing a central dust collecting system. What I've discovered is that I need a new vac sooner than the time it will take to do all the research. I hate to buy anything and wish later that I had done more homework.So, I'm asking the all knowing list for recommendations on current brands of shop-vacs or dust collecting equipment appropriate for a small but busy rod shop? Has anyone purchased one of the Grizzly dust collectors or recently purchased a new shop-vac? Anyone not happy with vac equipment? Any tips?Thanks!JimH from canazon@mindspring.com Wed Mar 20 06:57:10 2002 g2KCvA416367 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:57:10 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16nfbQ-00066U-00; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:54:05 -0500 Subject: Re: hang up it must be the file harold sent on the tip and butt stretcher. i shut downmy mail three times thinking i had a bug. i let it run overnite and itdownloaded. it's like a big hemorroid. :O) to top it all off my mailprogram will only display half the picture.mike----- Original Message ----- Subject: hang up Is someone sending something humungous, or is my server playing up? Peter from dickay@alltel.net Wed Mar 20 07:10:03 2002 g2KDA2416792 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:10:02 - srv.alltel.net Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:10:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Fishing license HEY Greg! Have you seen how those "Green Taggers" from OK drive? EvenMyson and Daughter-In-Law who moved to Tulsa seem to drive that way. Pleasedon't knock us Arkies.Dick FuhrmanPS Bob drives a Harley most of the time and is COOL! ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Fishing license Bob,you have to remember that you were Arkansas--that said, everything else makes sense. Bob Nunley wrote: List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a complete stranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a new one. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info into his little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name of Robert Nunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have on occasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley orHunley or Numley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon-Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I take it to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for the junk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from dickay@alltel.net Wed Mar 20 07:13:42 2002 g2KDDf417070 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:13:41 - srv.alltel.net Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:13:40 -0600 "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Fishing license Troy, Its over taken Sears as the World's Largest Retailer. Don't beknocken Arkansas just because of a few night shift dummies. At least thestore manager put them where they would do the least damage.Dick Fuhrman ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Fishing license Indeed, it did say Rodent Nunley, Jr. I guess that would imply that therewas a Rodent Sr. that felt the need to pass such a distinguished nomer tohis first born son. Strange world we live in. My own experience buying an Arkansas non-resident fishing license wasequally taxing. I spent 70 minutes (I sh*t you not) buying my license, at01:00 Friday morning. I was the only customer in the store, so you can'tuse the excuse that they were busy. 8 Wal-Mart rocket scientists could not figure out how to do a fishing license on the "new" computerized system. I ended up figuring it out, and explaining it to them. They should have paid me at least the minimum wage that I earned that hour. Then they couldn'tfigure out how to charge for it in the cash register. I sure am glad I went go through this again when I go back up for SRG..... WalMart was started in Arkansas, wasn't it? : )TAM -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Fishing license List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a new one. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name of Robert Nunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have on occasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or Hunley or Numley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon-Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I take it to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for the junk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from dickay@alltel.net Wed Mar 20 07:18:33 2002 g2KDIW417437 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:18:32 - srv.alltel.net Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:18:31 -0600 Subject: re:fishing lic. Jim, At least we were smart enough to get him out of Arkansas. He was ourGovernor prior to becoming President. Now he resides up near you in NewYork. He doesn't want to come back to Arkansas. He's afraid someonemightshoot him for making passes at their girlfriend.Dick Fuhrman-- --- Original Message ----- Subject: re:fishing lic. It sounds like our x-president must have trained the folks at Walmart. He was from Ark.,wasn't he? They said he was smart, but I don't remember who accused him of being that way. Maybe it was someone else from Ark. Jim from bob@downandacross.com Wed Mar 20 07:24:26 2002 g2KDOO417816 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:24:25 - "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: RE: Fishing license Man, I hear ya, Troy. Last time I tried to get a license at WalMart I waitedalmost 40 minutes for the sporting goods cashier to return from a break tofind out that they had none left.Bob, you should keep that license for sure! BUT, what if you get asked toshow it? They could still cross reference your driver's license I hope. Ifnot, I would get a new one just in case.Here in NY I almost never get checkd, let alone see a DEC officer. When Ido, I am always glad to pull out my license. Last guy said to me, "Thanks,but I didn't need to see that. Most fly fishermen have licenses." I wasdisappointed. Somehow that thorough stare down that occurs once everybluemoon makes me feel that the $14 is not a waste of time.We do a lot of steelheading up here on the Native American Reservation.Thatis the one license that I do not leave home without. You are not in the USAwhen fishing there. Best not get in trouble.Take care,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Fishing license My own experience buying an Arkansas non-resident fishing license wasequally taxing. I spent 70 minutes (I sh*t you not) buying my license, at01:00 Friday morning. WalMart was started in Arkansas, wasn't it? : )TAM -----Original Message----- Subject: Fishing licenseApparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon-Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Mar 20 07:57:12 2002 g2KDvB418886 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:57:11 - "rodmakers" Subject: Re: hang up Many people have mentioned this in the past and I don't want to cause offence but PLEASE DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS ON LIST.It's bad form and a lot of people delete them with extreme prejudice as a matter of course because of virus potential. Also, some people even in this day and age have what you'd have to call slow connections and attachments can take a very long time to download, possibly only to delete without looking after the torture of it is over. Tony At 07:52 AM 3/20/02 -0600, mike canazon wrote: it must be the file harold sent on the tip and butt stretcher. i shut downmy mail three times thinking i had a bug. i let it run overnite and itdownloaded. it's like a big hemorroid. :O) to top it all off my mailprogram will only display half the picture.mike----- Original Message -----From: "Peter McKean" Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:59 AMSubject: hang up Is someone sending something humungous, or is my server playing up? Peter /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from saweiss@flash.net Wed Mar 20 08:09:08 2002 g2KE97419378 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:09:07 - g2KE92k214896; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:09:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Organization: Prodigy Internet I let mine exhaust into the room. I thought about exhausting outdoors orputting the unit in an enclosure outside, but then realized that there wouldbe enormous heat loss from my shop in the winter and A/C loss in summer.The negative pressure would pull in air from the outside. It would be like a1 1/2 hp air pump on my shop.Steve backinto the room? >> from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Wed Mar 20 08:10:34 2002 g2KEAX419571 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:10:33 - (authenticated) for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:10:31 -0800 Subject: Re: hang up Tony, While we're sort of on the subject, it's time for my semi-annual rant aboutquoting previous messages. Please folks, snip away all the unnecessaryportions of messages to which you respond. Jerry Foster will love you for it.So will I. Harry Tony Young wrote: Many people have mentioned this in the past -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from ttalsma@macatawa.org Wed Mar 20 08:12:09 2002 g2KEC8419803 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:12:08 - id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:04:47 -0500 id F563CPAC; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:04:42 -0500 Subject: Re: hang up All, If this will solve the problem of attachments, I'd be more than happy topost this "stuff" in the tips archive. Once I have it up there, I'llsend the submitter the URL and then they can forward that to the list. Sound like a good idea? Some of this stuff is too valuable to just stopshowing up. I'd hate to have someone come up with a great idea and thennot be able to communicate it fully simply by mere words. I don't have a problem with bandwidth here at work. At home, maybe, buthopefully I'll be able to take care of that soon. Tony Young wrote: Many people have mentioned this in the past and I don't want to causeoffence but PLEASE DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS ON LIST.It's bad form and a lot of people delete them with extreme prejudice as amatter of course because of virus potential. Also, some people even in this day and age have what you'd have to call slow connections and attachmentscan take a very long time to download, possibly only to delete withoutlooking after the torture of it is over. Tony At 07:52 AM 3/20/02 -0600, mike canazon wrote: it must be the file harold sent on the tip and butt stretcher. i shut downmy mail three times thinking i had a bug. i let it run overnite and itdownloaded. it's like a big hemorroid. :O) to top it all off my mailprogram will only display half the picture.mike----- Original Message -----From: "Peter McKean" Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:59 AMSubject: hang up Is someone sending something humungous, or is my server playing up? Peter /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Wed Mar 20 08:18:47 2002 Received: g2KEIl420251 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) by Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 200208:03:07 -0600 Message-ID:From: "Miller, Troy" Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Wow, a non-Democrat fromNew England? You must be lonely up there..... : ) -----Original Message---- - sounds like our x-president must have trained the folks at Walmart. He was from Ark.,wasn't he? They said he was smart, but I don't remember whoaccused him of being that way. Maybe it was someone else from Ark. Jim from lblove@omniglobal.net Wed Mar 20 08:30:52 2002 Received: from 0000 Received: from dialup01-100.kerr.omniglobal.net (HELO brain) X-Mailer: Calypso Version3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:27:12 - 0600 From: "Brad Love" Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ZigMillennium's in the 005 size work well for lettering on rod blanks. They arereadily available at office supply stores and they do not fade or bleed. Bradhttp://lblove.users.omniglobal.net > from TSmithwick@aol.com Wed Mar 2008:45:40 2002 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 4.a.1be568b6 (16100) for Mar 2002 09:45:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:45:15 EST From: TSmithwick@aol.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Irecently purchased the LN #1 bench plane, and thought I would pass along myimpressions. As is expected from LN, the plane is a little jewel, you can openthe box, adjust the depth of cut, and start planing cane. It is about the sizeof a block plane. No one over the age of 5 could wrap their hand around thegrip, so you have to hold it a different way. What works for me is to put mythumb on one side of the body, and two fingers on the other side, contactingthe handle with the notch between my thumb and forefinger. It takes a bit ofgetting used to, but you can plane one or two handed as you please. Theblade sticks up too far to allow the over the top grip most of us use withblock planes. I think Darryl suggested a while back that the rear grip might bebetter as a knob. I don't think that would help much because of the height ofthe blade and chip breaker. All in all, I'm pretty happy, and think I've got agood finish plane. If I remember right, I think Darryl recommend! ed the #2 asbeing about ideal for all around work, and that may be my next act of folly. from Grnmtrds@aol.com Wed Mar 20 08:46:57 2002 Received: from imo- Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:46:43 EST 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Dick Your right. You folkswere smart enough to rid your selves of both Bill and Hill. Then the slowerfolks in NY went and elected her. I just can't believe people are that simple,especially after reviewing their past record. Where could they be deliveredto? I've got ideas, but they aren't nice Jim/Vermont >FromTroy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Wed Mar 20 09:07:13 2002 Received: from g2KF7D423554 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) by Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 200208:51:17 -0600 Message-ID:From: "Miller, Troy" Subject: RE: Fishing license Date: Wed, 20 Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Yeah, if I had been in, shall we say, a "happier" mood, I would have probablyleft without it. But after the first half hour, I was committed to not leavingthat store without a non-res fishing license, if I had to stay the whole weekuntil they flew a specialist down from Bentonville..... I just walked behind thecounter like I owned the place and said "let me see that thing". Lucky I'm notsitting in the Conway jailhouse awaiting bail right now... : ) TAM -----Original caneman@clnk.com; Rod Makers List Serve Subject: RE: Fishing license Man, Ihear ya, Troy. Last time I tried to get a license at WalMart I waited almost40 minutes for the sporting goods cashier to return from a break to find outthat they had none left. Bob, you should keep that license for sure! BUT,what if you get asked to show it? They could still cross reference yourdriver's license I hope. If not, I would get a new one just in case. Here in NY Ialmost never get checkd, let alone see a DEC officer. When I do, I am alwaysglad to pull out my license. Last guy said to me, "Thanks, but I didn't need tosee that. Most fly fishermen have licenses." I was disappointed. Somehowthat thorough stare down that occurs once every blue moon makes me feelthat the $14 is not a waste of time. We do a lot of steelheading up here onthe Native American Reservation. That is the one license that I do not leavehome without. You are not in the USA when fishing there. Best not get introuble. Take care, Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Miller, Troy Sent: Tuesday, March RE: Fishing license My own experience buying an Arkansas non-residentfishing license was equally taxing. I spent 70 minutes (I sh*t you not) buyingmy license, at 01:00 Friday morning. WalMart was started in Arkansas,wasn't it? : ) TAM -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nunley Makers List Serve Subject: Fishing license Apparently it's a bit difficult forsome people. My new Arkansas Non-Resident Fishing license is made out toRODENT L. NUNLEY JR. > from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Mar 20 09:15:222002 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-06.iinet.net.au Mar 2002 15:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) 0000 Message-Id:X-Sender:avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu From: Tony Young want a live demonstration of stupid? Check out what we here in Australia didto ourselves AGAIN with the mob running(??) this place just now. These guyscouldn't have made a working paper bag running up to the last election thendue to a couple of external forces they somehow found themselves back ingovernment. We always get the government we deserve they say. I guess,but don't blame me for this embarrassment of a government. Tony At 09:46AM 3/20/02 -0500, Grnmtrds@aol.com wrote: Dick Your right. You folks were smart enough to rid your selves of both Bill andHill. Then the slower folks in NY went and elected her. I just can't believepeople are that simple, especially after reviewing their past record. Where could they be delivered to? I've got ideas, but they aren't nice Jim/Vermont /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from tedknott@cogeco.ca Wed Mar 20 09:17:01 2002 g2KFH1424479 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:17:01 - Subject: Re: Lie Nielson #1 Tom, I have a 75 year old Bailley #4 1/2 plane, tuned and re-fitted with amodern A2 blade. I use it one-handed or with both hands and it does a superjob of planing down to about .015" oversize prior to heat treating. Whenplaning two-handed the friction between strip and form is sufficient to keepthe strip from moving, provided you don't try to take too thick a shaving.A shaving thickness of about .005" to .006" is about right. I use a Stanly9 1/2 with a high speed steel blade for finish planing to size. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Mar 20 09:17:41 2002 g2KFHe424603 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:17:40 - Subject: Re: hang up Now that is a good idea. Tony All, If this will solve the problem of attachments, I'd be more than happy topost this "stuff" in the tips archive. Once I have it up there, I'llsend the submitter the URL and then they can forward that to the list. Sound like a good idea? Some of this stuff is too valuable to just stopshowing up. I'd hate to have someone come up with a great idea and thennot be able to communicate it fully simply by mere words. I don't have a problem with bandwidth here at work. At home, maybe, buthopefully I'll be able to take care of that soon. Tony Young wrote: Many people have mentioned this in the past and I don't want to causeoffence but PLEASE DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS ON LIST. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from canazon@mindspring.com Wed Mar 20 10:33:10 2002 g2KGXA429310 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:33:10 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16nj1M-0004td-00; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:33:05 -0500 Subject: Re: fish lic. jim,since the day they got here fishing has gone down the old drain. firstsome moron dumps a tanker full of water from a swimming pool he wasrefilling into one of our finest little secrets, amawalk outlet; which isright around the corner from their new hacienda. the chlorine wipes out fish of their swimming pool. now they've gone and shut down all the streams andreservoirs in the ny water supply system. i can't lay the blame directly attheir feet, but i'm sure they had a hand in it somehow. if that ain'tenough, the rivers are running dry from drought. i know we're beingpunished for our sin of electing her and letting him set up shop here too.at this point it wouldn't surprise me at all if the fish grew legs and lefthere for the white river.mike----- Original Message ----- Subject: fish lic. Dick Your right. You folks were smart enough to rid your selves of both Bill and Hill. Then the slower folks in NY went and elected her. I just can't believe people are that simple, especially after reviewing their past record. Where could they be delivered to? I've got ideas, but they aren't nice Jim/Vermont from alan.grombacher@pioneer.com Wed Mar 20 10:45:22 2002 g2KGjL400171 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:45:21 - Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:21:32 -0500 id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:20:34 -0600 Rod Makers List Serve Subject: in Alberta RE: Fishing license Hey Don, You are lucky that you didn't try to get a hunting/hunter host license andgun borrow permit when you were in Alberta. It turns out that you can get a permit for your guns at the border, if youbring them up. But try to get a "borrow a gun license" (stupid new law) uphere. You can't get one at the border like the DNR office says you can - you have to give the gun registration yahoos 6 - 8 weeks working notice toget one. Go figure. vendors couldn't figure out how to get one out of the machine. Even thoughall they had to do was print it out, as it was already pre-approved. Wecouldn't get just one bear permit, but had to get two (actually no bigdeal). When machine was giving the lady (the 8th vendor) fits, she calledthe head office in Edmonton. The lady that answered said we couldn't getbear permits (what we were pre-approved to hunt), and we could only huntmoose (what you never applied to hunt). The good lady (buy your licenses atthe Peace River ESSO) stuck with it and finally got our bear permits squaredaway. The license system is a gong show in Alberta. Cheers, Alberta Al -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Fishing license List.The last time I went to Alberta, I had to go to four different places, 2.5hours, to get the complete Fishing License package. They have one part oftheir Fishing License that is good for five years, the other three are good later. When I got the plastic card later in the mail after the trip it saidI was from Zimbabwe. Now that is real close to Seattle, WA! Took anothermonth to get it straighten out. Go figure!Don----- Original Message ----- Subject: Fishing license List,did you ever wonder if you had done something to aggravate a completestranger? Well, now I'm wondering...When I was in Arkansas for the Sowbug this weekend, I knew that myFishing License had expired. I went to the local WalMart store to get a newone. The guy takes my Drivers License and starts to type in the info intohis little machine. Now I've got fishing licenses from 3 countries andprobably 20 different states and every one of them is in the name of RobertNunley, Robert L. Nunley, Robert Nunley Jr, or something similar. I have onoccasion has someone misinterpret the last name and put Munley or HunleyorNumley, but how the hell hard is Robert to spell.Apparently it's a bit difficult for some people. My new ArkansasNon- Resident Fishing license is made out to RODENT L. NUNLEY JR. Martin-Darrell and Troy Miller saw it... My question is, should I takeit to the nearest vendor and have it changed, or should I just wait for thejunk mail to start rolling in addressed to Rodentor The Rator Mouseyor Bunny Bob Advise from this well educated and informed list would be greatlyappreciated! Later,Boob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Wed Mar 20 10:55:01 2002 g2KGt0401136 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:55:00 - pri.pacificare.com 2002 16:59:14 UT (Tumbleweed ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:54:11 -0800 Subject: RE: Lie Nielson #1 I haven't been able to locate a reasonably priced #1 bench plane yet, Ithink I will end up with a Lie-Nielsen some day. I have taken strips down tofinal dimensions with both the #2 and #3. With a very sharp blade and set bit easier to control due to the smaller size and less weight, but if youuse a #3 enough I think anyone could get used to it and be able to finishplane with no problem. If I was going to buy only one plane for rod making,I would get the Lie-Nielsen #2 and groove it to .002. After buying a fewused planes from ebay, I am set up like this: a #3 grooved to .006 for roughplaning, a #3 grooved to .002 for finish planing. A #2 grooved to .003 for"intermediate" planing, and a #2 grooved somewhere around .001 (meaningjustbarely grooved) for finish planing. I don't use my block planes at allanymore. In case I am confusing people, yes I do own a Morgan handmill, but Iactually enjoy hand planing, and if I am making a hex rod I still use myplaning form and hand plane it. If I am making a penta or quad I have to usethe Morgan Handmill since I don't have the right planing forms for them.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: Lie Nielson #1 I recently purchased the LN #1 bench plane, and thought I would pass alongmy impressions. As is expected from LN, the plane is a little jewel, youcan open the box, adjust the depth of cut, and start planing cane. It isabout the size of a block plane. No one over the age of 5 could wrap theirhand around the grip, so you have to hold it a different way. What works other side, contacting the handle with the notch between my thumb andforefinger. It takes a bit of getting used to, but you can plane one ortwo handed as you please. The blade sticks up too far to allow the overthe top grip most of us use with block planes. I think Darryl suggested awhile back that the rear grip might be better as a knob. I don't thinkthat would help much because of the height of the blade and chip breaker.All in all, I'm pretty happy, and think I've got a good finish plane. If Iremember right, I think Darryl recommend!ed the #2 as being about ideal for all around work, and that may be mynext act of folly. This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from aport@si.rr.com Wed Mar 20 11:46:22 2002 g2KHkM403938 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:46:22 - Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:46:19 -0500 Subject: Re: hang up All,I'm using Outlook Express and if you go into Tools then Options andclick the Send tab, you can de-check the "Include message in reply" box andthen the stuff is automatically NOT in your response. Once in a great whileit's a pita and you have to cut-and-paste the original or someone won't knowwhat you're talking about, but that happens to me maybe once a week orless.Art from homes-sold@attbi.com Wed Mar 20 11:57:49 2002 g2KHvm404654 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:57:48 - ;Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:57:43 +0000 Subject: Re: Shop-Vac vs Dust Collector Jim, You can also mount the final filter outside if you wish. I can't find thearticle so I went to the Wood Magazine Website. They do not have that backissue but you can get a pretty good idea of how it works, see a picture ofit and order the plans. What's that saying about chrome & trailerhitches?:>)The 750 CFM should be more than you will ever need. The expenses in thesething are the blower & final filter. Wood Magazine http://www.woodmagazine.com/ Look under downloadable plans: Cyclone Dust Collector Plan. $7.95http://store.yahoo.com/woodstore/cycduscol.html In issue: April 1997, Issue No. 96, Page 58, Article "Lowering the boom ondust" tells you how the different systems work. I do have a copy of thisone. Don from flytyr@southshore.com Wed Mar 20 11:59:12 2002 g2KHxC404722 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:59:12 - g2KHx8O30007; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:59:08 -0600 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Epon Bob,I mix 2 Epon to 1 Hardener.Pass a hair dryer over the strips to get the glueto flow and thin out some. It is real thick whenapplied,Bind the strips and roll and straighten as good asI can. Hang the sticks for 18 to 20 hours, Usuallyover night.Remove the binding cord and scrape the residualglue off. It is still in a jell form. Comes offreal easy. Re bind the sticks and heat set for 4hours @ 180* F.I do scrape the enamel off before I plane thefinish taper. No hassle in sanding off cord andhard glue. Saves a lot of time.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Robert S Williams wrote: I'm plan to glue up my first nodeless rod onSaturday and will be using Epon. I've usedURAC185 for all my other rods, so using Epon isa new adventure. Are there any tips orsuggestions I should know prior to using Epon?I'm aware that vinegar can be used in cleanup.What about mixing proportions and quantity(again I know what I need to know for URAC butnot for Epon)? Also I heat treat my URAC gluedup blanks for an hour at 150-170 degrees. Do Ineed to do anything with Epon glued blank? Howlong after I glue can I straighten the boundblank? Sorry for all the questions, but I hateto make a mistake after all the work I done upto this point. ThanksBob from aport@si.rr.com Wed Mar 20 11:59:14 2002 g2KHxD404727 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:59:13 - Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:59:11 -0500 Subject: Re: hang up All,I'm using Outlook Express and if you go into Tools then Options andclick the Send tab, you can de-check the "Include message in reply" box andthen the stuff is automatically NOT in your response. Once in a great whileit's a pita and you have to cut-and-paste the original or someone won't knowwhat you're talking about, but that happens to me maybe once a week orless.Art (Sorry for the triple receipt, Harry. I thought I sent this to the list andwhen I never got it back, realized what I did.Art) from iank@ts.co.nz Wed Mar 20 13:00:39 2002 g2KJ0c408862 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:00:38 - by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2KJBrK20392 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:11:53+1200 Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:11:51 +1200 Subject: Re: fish lic.- not rodmaking Tony reminds me of a quote from a well known New Zealand politician whenhewas asked by an Aussie newspaper reporter what action Australia shouldtakeregarding the NZ " dole blunders and dropouts" who were moving to Australiato collect the higher Australian dole and surf on the Queens beaches. Hisresponse " Australia should do nothing as the migration of these people toAustralia is improving the average IQ of both countries" Ian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: fish lic. You want a live demonstration of stupid? Check out what we here inAustralia did to ourselves AGAIN with the mob running(??) this place just now. These guys couldn't have made a working paper bag running up to the lastelection then due to a couple of external forces they somehow foundthemselves back in government. We always get the government wedeserve they say. I guess, but don't blame me for this embarrassment of a government. Tony At 09:46 AM 3/20/02 -0500, Grnmtrds@aol.com wrote: Dick Your right. You folks were smart enough to rid your selves of both Bill and Hill. Then the slower folks in NY went and elected her. I just can't believe people are that simple, especially after reviewing their past record. Where could they be delivered to? I've got ideas, but they aren't nice Jim/Vermont /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from stuart.rod@gmx.de Wed Mar 20 13:56:43 2002 g2KJug411855 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:56:42 - (149.225.69.215) Subject: Re: Lie Nielson #1 Darryl, the question burning on my lips at the moment is ....... the bronze version ofthe Lie Nielsen number 2 or the iron version?? As has happened several times in the past just at the moment I amapproaching a descision somebody starts a thread about the very thing thatis on my mind.Spooky!! My mother phoned me up and said that she wanted to buy me something nice Nielsen number two bench plane was the answer, I told my mother, she saysno problem, I collect my E-mail and then there it is .... the Lie Nielsen thread. So .......Bronze ?? Stuart Hayashida Darryl schrieb: I haven't been able to locate a reasonably priced #1 bench plane yet, Ithink I will end up with a Lie-Nielsen some day. I have taken strips down tofinal dimensions with both the #2 and #3. With a very sharp blade and set bit easier to control due to the smaller size and less weight, but if youuse a #3 enough I think anyone could get used to it and be able to finishplane with no problem. If I was going to buy only one plane for rod making,I would get the Lie-Nielsen #2 and groove it to .002. After buying a fewused planes from ebay, I am set up like this: a #3 grooved to .006 forroughplaning, a #3 grooved to .002 for finish planing. A #2 grooved to .003 for"intermediate" planing, and a #2 grooved somewhere around .001 (meaningjustbarely grooved) for finish planing. I don't use my block planes at allanymore. from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 14:10:22 2002 g2KKAL412726 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:10:21 - Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:10:20 PST Subject: Re: Lie Nielson #1 i would choose ductile iron. my understanding is thatyou will have to dress the mag bronze more often thatthe ductile iron. that is unless you need it for thecover page for a new website. :^) timothy --- Stuart Moultrie wrote: Darryl, the question burning on my lips at the moment is....... the bronze version of the Lie Nielsen number 2 or the iron version?? As has happened several times in the past just atthe moment I am approaching a descision somebodystarts a thread about the very thing that is on mymind.Spooky!! My mother phoned me up and said that she wanted tobuy me something nice for my birthday, panic set inand the catalogues came out and the Lie Nielsennumber two bench plane was the answer, I told mymother, she says no problem, I collect my E-mail andthen there it is .... the Lie Nielsen thread. So .......Bronze ?? Stuart Hayashida Darryl schrieb: I haven't been able to locate a reasonably priced #1 bench plane yet, I think I will end up with a Lie-Nielsen some day. I have taken strips down to final dimensions with both the #2 and #3. With a very sharp blade and set planing. The #2 is a little bit easier to control due to the smaller size and less weight, but if you use a #3 enough I think anyone could get used to it and be able to finish plane with no problem. If I was going to buy only one plane for rod making, I would get the Lie-Nielsen #2 and groove it to .002. After buying a few used planes from ebay, I am set up like this: a #3 grooved to .006 for rough planing, a #3 grooved to .002 for finish planing. A #2 grooved to .003 for "intermediate" planing, and a #2 grooved somewhere around .001 (meaning just barely grooved) for finish planing. I don't use my block planes at all anymore. ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from snooker_e@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 14:14:24 2002 g2KKEN413086 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:14:23 - 20 Mar 2002 12:14:22 PST Subject: Re: First Culms on the way--questions? List, Just wanted to thank everyone for all the responses to my questions. Ithink I am going to go with a heat gun oven, since I'll be using the heatgun for other things anyway. I found most of what I'm going to need todayat Home Depot. I still haven't got a heat gun though, so probabaly won'tfinish it up until I get the gun. Eric =====New Smyrna Beach, FL __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Wed Mar 20 14:21:57 2002 g2KKLu413904 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:21:56 - OAA28896; MAA01155; g2KKLmQ08710; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:21:47 -0800 Subject: RE: Lie Nielson #1 the lie nielson is a copy of the Stanley bedrock plane! They can be found atflea markets and swap meets and were made all they way up to a 8. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Lie Nielson #1 Darryl, the question burning on my lips at the moment is ....... the bronze versionof the Lie Nielsen number 2 or the iron version?? As has happened several times in the past just at the moment I amapproaching a descision somebody starts a thread about the very thing thatis on my mind.Spooky!! My mother phoned me up and said that she wanted to buy me something niceformy birthday, panic set in and the catalogues came out and the Lie Nielsennumber two bench plane was the answer, I told my mother, she says noproblem, I collect my E-mail and then there it is .... the Lie Nielsenthread. So .......Bronze ?? Stuart Hayashida Darryl schrieb: I haven't been able to locate a reasonably priced #1 bench plane yet, Ithink I will end up with a Lie-Nielsen some day. I have taken strips down to final dimensions with both the #2 and #3. With a very sharp blade and set little bit easier to control due to the smaller size and less weight, but if youuse a #3 enough I think anyone could get used to it and be able to finishplane with no problem. If I was going to buy only one plane for rod making, I would get the Lie-Nielsen #2 and groove it to .002. After buying a fewused planes from ebay, I am set up like this: a #3 grooved to .006 for rough planing, a #3 grooved to .002 for finish planing. A #2 grooved to .003 for"intermediate" planing, and a #2 grooved somewhere around .001 (meaning just barely grooved) for finish planing. I don't use my block planes at allanymore. from ttalsma@macatawa.org Wed Mar 20 14:23:03 2002 g2KKN2414084 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:23:02 - id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:15:41 -0500 id F563CPK1; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:15:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Lie Nielson #1 Yeah, if anyone wants do donate one the me, I'll set up a really nice"splash" page for the tips archive. Come on guys, any takers? timothy troester wrote: i would choose ductile iron. my understanding is thatyou will have to dress the mag bronze more often thatthe ductile iron. that is unless you need it for thecover page for a new website. :^) timothy --- Stuart Moultrie wrote: Darryl, the question burning on my lips at the moment is....... the bronze version of the Lie Nielsennumber 2 or the iron version?? As has happened several times in the past just atthe moment I am approaching a descision somebodystarts a thread about the very thing that is on mymind.Spooky!! My mother phoned me up and said that she wanted tobuy me something nice for my birthday, panic set inand the catalogues came out and the Lie Nielsennumber two bench plane was the answer, I told mymother, she says no problem, I collect my E-mail andthen there it is .... the Lie Nielsen thread. So .......Bronze ?? Stuart Hayashida Darryl schrieb: I haven't been able to locate a reasonably priced #1 bench plane yet, I think I will end up with a Lie-Nielsen some day. I have taken strips down to final dimensions with both the #2 and #3. With a very sharp blade and set planing. The #2 is a little bit easier to control due to the smaller size and less weight, but if you use a #3 enough I think anyone could get used to it and be able to finish plane with no problem. If I was going to buy only one plane for rod making, I would get the Lie-Nielsen #2 and groove it to .002. After buying a few used planes from ebay, I am set up like this: a #3 grooved to .006 for rough planing, a #3 grooved to .002 for finish planing. A #2 grooved to .003 for "intermediate" planing, and a #2 grooved somewhere around .001 (meaning just barely grooved) for finish planing. I don't use my block planes at all anymore. ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from bhoy551@earthlink.net Wed Mar 20 14:25:57 2002 Received: from 0500 Message-Id:X-Sender:bhoy551@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 "'stuart.rod@gmx.de'" , Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com the lie nielson is a copy of the Stanley bedrock plane! They can be found atflea markets and swap meets and were made all they way up to a 8. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:59 AM Cc: RodmakersSubject: Re: Lie Nielson #1 Darryl, the question burning on my lips at the moment is ....... the bronze versionof the Lie Nielsen number 2 or the iron version?? As has happened several times in the past just at the moment I amapproaching a descision somebody starts a thread about the very thingthatis on my mind.Spooky!! My mother phoned me up and said that she wanted to buy me somethingnice formy birthday, panic set in and the catalogues came out and the Lie Nielsennumber two bench plane was the answer, I told my mother, she says noproblem, I collect my E-mail and then there it is .... the Lie Nielsenthread. So .......Bronze ?? Stuart Hayashida Darryl schrieb: I haven't been able to locate a reasonably priced #1 bench plane yet, Ithink I will end up with a Lie-Nielsen some day. I have taken strips down to final dimensions with both the #2 and #3. With a very sharp blade andset little bit easier to control due to the smaller size and less weight, but if youuse a #3 enough I think anyone could get used to it and be able to finishplane with no problem. If I was going to buy only one plane for rod making, I would get the Lie-Nielsen #2 and groove it to .002. After buying a fewused planes from ebay, I am set up like this: a #3 grooved to .006 for rough planing, a #3 grooved to .002 for finish planing. A #2 grooved to .003for"intermediate" planing, and a #2 grooved somewhere around .001(meaning just barely grooved) for finish planing. I don't use my block planes at allanymore. from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Wed Mar 20 14:30:24 2002 g2KKUN415014 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:30:23 - MAA04377; MAA10887; g2KKUFQ22220; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:13 -0800 "Coffey, Patrick W" ,"'stuart.rod@gmx.de'" , Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Subject: RE: Lie Nielson #1 I have almost a complete set that I got at swap meets and garage sales andnever paid over $75 for any of them though have not found a No 1 yet. Onlytool collectors and dealers ask that much for them, most people at swapmeets and gargage sales just look at the as just planes. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Subject: RE: Lie Nielson #1 If you can get a #2 or especially a #1 bedrock in good condition it'll cost you many times the price of a LN. Both are highly prized by wealthy collectors. If you find one cheap, please let me know and I'll take it off your hands in a heartbeat [:)] from ttalsma@macatawa.org Wed Mar 20 14:33:28 2002 g2KKXS415436 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:33:28 - id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:26:07 -0500 id F563CPK3; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:26:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Lie Nielson #1 Geez Louise! I got so excited, I couldn't even type right! Should have been "donate one to me," Todd Talsma wrote: Yeah, if anyone wants do donate one the me, I'll set up a really nice"splash" page for the tips archive. Come on guys, any takers? from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Wed Mar 20 14:38:45 2002 g2KKcj416080 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:38:45 - by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:29:16 -0500 , "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Fishing license Here, the Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency has finally arrived into the21st century and have started letting us renew or buy our sporting licensesonline. I just renewed mine online last night, printed out a temporarylicense and am waiting on the hard copy to arrive in the mail. Only cost3.95 (convenience fee) to do that. Joe =================================================Lost in the Hills of East Tennessee with a Bamboo Fly Rod in one handand a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bambooflyrod site at http://www.direct-pest.com/rodmaker Man, I hear ya, Troy. Last time I tried to get a license at WalMart I waited almost 40 minutes for the sporting goods cashier to return from a breaktofind out that they had none left.Bob, you should keep that license for sure! BUT, what if you get asked toshow it? They could still cross reference your driver's license I hope. Ifnot, I would get a new one just in case. from lblan@provide.net Wed Mar 20 14:39:45 2002 g2KKdi416304; with HTTP id 15509108; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:39:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Lie Nielson #1 the Lie-Nielson, and the #2's are approaching the price ofa Lie-Nielson. If you are consistently finding #1's inflea markets, you could make a fair living selling them! Larry Blan On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:21:43 -0800"Coffey, Patrick W" wrote: the lie nielson is a copy of the Stanley bedrock plane!They can be found atflea markets and swap meets and were made all they way upto a 8. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:59 AM Cc: RodmakersSubject: Re: Lie Nielson #1 Darryl, the question burning on my lips at the moment is .......the bronze versionof the Lie Nielsen number 2 or the iron version?? As has happened several times in the past just at themoment I amapproaching a descision somebody starts a thread aboutthe very thing thatis on my mind.Spooky!! My mother phoned me up and said that she wanted to buy mesomething nice formy birthday, panic set in and the catalogues came outand the Lie Nielsennumber two bench plane was the answer, I told my mother,she says noproblem, I collect my E-mail and then there it is ....the Lie Nielsenthread. So .......Bronze ?? Stuart Hayashida Darryl schrieb: I haven't been able to locate a reasonably priced #1 bench plane yet, I think I will end up with a Lie-Nielsen some day. I have taken strips downto final dimensions with both the #2 and #3. With a very sharp blade and set planing. The #2 is alittle bit easier to control due to the smaller size and less weight, but if you use a #3 enough I think anyone could get used to it and be able to finish plane with no problem. If I was going to buy only one plane for rodmaking, I would get the Lie-Nielsen #2 and groove it to .002. After buying a few used planes from ebay, I am set up like this: a #3 grooved to .006 forrough planing, a #3 grooved to .002 for finish planing. A #2 grooved to .003 for "intermediate" planing, and a #2 grooved somewhere around .001 (meaningjust barely grooved) for finish planing. I don't use my block planes at all anymore. from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Wed Mar 20 15:12:55 2002 g2KLCs418814 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:12:54 - pri.pacificare.com 2002 21:17:09 UT (Tumbleweed ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:12:24 -0800 Subject: RE: Lie Nielson #1 Collectors have run the prices of the smaller bench planes way up. You can'tfind a size 1 for less than $500 and size 2s go for around $200. Might aswell get a new Lie-Nielsen for $235. Size 3s are still resonable, going for$25 to $35.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:22 PM Cc: RodmakersSubject: RE: Lie Nielson #1 the lie nielson is a copy of the Stanley bedrock plane! They can be foundatflea markets and swap meets and were made all they way up to a 8. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:59 AM Cc: RodmakersSubject: Re: Lie Nielson #1 Darryl, the question burning on my lips at the moment is ....... the bronzeversionof the Lie Nielsen number 2 or the iron version?? As has happened several times in the past just at the moment I amapproaching a descision somebody starts a thread about the very thingthatis on my mind.Spooky!! My mother phoned me up and said that she wanted to buy me somethingniceformy birthday, panic set in and the catalogues came out and the Lie Nielsennumber two bench plane was the answer, I told my mother, she says noproblem, I collect my E-mail and then there it is .... the Lie Nielsenthread. So .......Bronze ?? Stuart Hayashida Darryl schrieb: I haven't been able to locate a reasonably priced #1 bench plane yet, Ithink I will end up with a Lie-Nielsen some day. I have taken strips downto final dimensions with both the #2 and #3. With a very sharp blade and set little bit easier to control due to the smaller size and less weight, but if you use a #3 enough I think anyone could get used to it and be able to finish plane with no problem. If I was going to buy only one plane for rod making, I would get the Lie-Nielsen #2 and groove it to .002. After buying a fewused planes from ebay, I am set up like this: a #3 grooved to .006 for rough planing, a #3 grooved to .002 for finish planing. A #2 grooved to .003 for "intermediate" planing, and a #2 grooved somewhere around .001(meaning just barely grooved) for finish planing. I don't use my block planes at allanymore. This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Wed Mar 20 15:42:40 2002 g2KLgd420649 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:42:39 - pri.pacificare.com 2002 21:46:53 UT (Tumbleweed ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:42:09 -0800 Subject: RE: Lie Nielson #1 Unfortunately most of the guys at swap meets around here are clued in onthevalue of the smaller planes. I've never heard of or seen a seller having a#1 or #2 and didn't know the going price since I started looking for benchplanes. As for garage sales, I guess we are too spread out around here. Isee one or two in a year, and driving around looking for one is verynon- productive.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:30 PM Darryl.Hayashida@phs.comCc: RodmakersSubject: RE: Lie Nielson #1 I have almost a complete set that I got at swap meets and garage salesandnever paid over $75 for any of them though have not found a No 1 yet.Onlytool collectors and dealers ask that much for them, most people at swapmeets and gargage sales just look at the as just planes. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:29 PM Darryl.Hayashida@phs.comCc: RodmakersSubject: RE: Lie Nielson #1 If you can get a #2 or especially a #1 bedrock in good condition it'llcost you many times the price of a LN. Both are highly prized by wealthy collectors. If you find one cheap, please let me know and I'll take it off your hands in a heartbeat [:)] This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from gjm80301@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 16:30:22 2002 g2KMUL423611 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:30:21 - Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:30:17 PST Subject: Photos from NZ - with and assist from Todd Talsma Todd has set up about 40 photos I took in NZ. They are at his siteat: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Photo_Galleries/RSRG_- _2002/rsrg_-_2002.html Many thanks, Todd. I have larger versions if someone wants one. Jerry __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ from jojo@ipa.net Wed Mar 20 17:05:23 2002 g2KN5M425292 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:05:22 -0600 helo=default) id 16np8u-0006pc-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:05:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Photos from NZ - with and assist from Todd Talsma Why isn't Rodent Numbley's name listed on the first pic? M-D Todd has set up about 40 photos I took in NZ. They are at his siteat: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Photo_Galleries/RSRG_- _2002/rsrg_-_2002.html Many thanks, Todd. I have larger versions if someone wants one. Jerry from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 18:26:43 2002 g2L0Qg429841 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:26:42 - Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:26:42 PST Subject: Nodes after Heat-treating Doing my first "noded" rod and after heat treating thesix strips of the butt section I noticed that thenodes still popped out a little even though I did usethe relief method of pressing the nodes. What is thebest way to deal with the nodes now, before finalplanning? Thanks,Bill W. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ from Jkvseafood@aol.com Wed Mar 20 18:37:33 2002 g2L0bX400984 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:37:33 - Subject: Re: fish lic. dick, they (bill and Hill) will probably come down here to miami. we already have OJ and MJ is looking. murderers child molesters and the mayor ofhialeah was convicted of racketeering while he was mayor and after prison was reelected. they will be here next you'll see!john from rmoon@ida.net Wed Mar 20 18:42:31 2002 g2L0gV401438 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:42:31 - 0000 Subject: fluorocarbons A good friend of mine in Salt Lake City is on a campaign, and afterreading a article in the Salt Lake Tribune, I personally think that hehas a point. I urge you to go to the SL Tribune web site and read thearticle. It is too long to post to the list, but I think it is vital toall of us as anglers. http://www.sltrib.com/2002/mar/03192002/tuesday/tuesday.htm Ralph --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from Grnmtrds@aol.com Wed Mar 20 19:31:36 2002 g2L1VZ402726 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:31:35 - for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:31:17 - Subject: Bill and Hill John, Show me a politician and I'll show you a crook. Jim from oakmere@carol.net Wed Mar 20 19:37:59 2002 g2L1bx403114 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:37:59 -0600 g2L1bqx11991 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:37:52 -0500 Subject: RE: Shop Vac Jim and others: In outfitting my "Bamboo Shop" I purchased a Sears on the Wall vac. It ismade with the standard tools. It seems to do the job and lets one clean my whole shop area without moving the vac - a big plus for me. Best, Frank Frank Paul, "GreyFox"TroutBeck Fly and RodBamboo Rod Refinishing and Restoration;Graphite and Glass Rod Repair;Trout Flies, Seneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work), Clemson University; 864-656- 7471oakmere@carol.net (home), South Carolina; 864-882-0077 from oakmere@carol.net Wed Mar 20 19:52:48 2002 g2L1ql403699 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:52:47 -0600 g2L1qfN28237 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:52:41 -0500 Subject: RE: Arkansas Hi Bob and others: Remember "Bill" lived there. :>) Best, FrankFrank Paul, "GreyFox"TroutBeck Fly and RodBamboo Rod Refinishing and Restoration;Graphite and Glass Rod Repair;Trout Flies, Seneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work), Clemson University; 864-656- 7471oakmere@carol.net (home), South Carolina; 864-882-0077 from robertgkope@attbi.com Wed Mar 20 21:18:27 2002 g2L3IQ406654 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:18:26 - Thu, 21 Mar 2002 03:18:21 +0000 Subject: Re: Nodes after Heat-treating That's a good question. You could just file them flat, but that woulddefeat the purpose of flattening them in the first place. After heattreating the moisture content is so low that it's difficult to straightenthem at all. I've toyed with the idea of trying to mill a 60 degreev-groove in a piece of aluminum to place over one of my vice jaws so I couldheat the node, put the apex of the strip into the v-groove, and just clampit to flatten and straighten it at the same time. Instead, I found something I'm reluctant to share with the list because Iknow if I'll ever be able to get any more of it. I believe that nodes popup during heat treatment because the strips lose moisture and shrink whenthey're heated. The problem is that the cotton thread, that can take theheat of heat treating, doesn't stretch, so when the bamboo shrinks thewrapsbecome loose. This loosens the string binding the strips and allows thenodes to return to, more-or-less, their original shape. I was at Boeing Surplus a couple of months ago and found some Nomexthread.This is the stuff that fire fighter's clothing is made of (at least when Iworked to the U.S. Forest Service nearly 30 years ago that's what our fireshirts and pants were made of). It's a synthetic fiber that can take theheat without melting, and though it doesn't stretch as much as nylon, itdoes stretch more than cotton. The stuff they had a Boeing Surplus was inspindles with 4 threads wrapped simultaneously onto them, so I had tore-spool it onto regular thread spools. I've tried it out on a couple ofrods and it seems to keep tension on the strips while heat treating and tosubstantially reduce the amount that nodes pop back up. I've got some strips soaking right now that I intend to try straighteningwet on Friday or Saturday. I've been concerned that they will have moremoisture in them when I put them in the oven and thus will shrink too much -- Robert Kope ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Nodes after Heat-treating Doing my first "noded" rod and after heat treating thesix strips of the butt section I noticed that thenodes still popped out a little even though I did usethe relief method of pressing the nodes. What is thebest way to deal with the nodes now, before finalplanning? Thanks,Bill W. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Wed Mar 20 21:25:53 2002 g2L3Pq407238 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:25:52 - Subject: Re: Nodes after Heat-treating Bill, I take the enamel off just before final planing, and in doing this I use a10" fine cut mill bastard file angled so that I have about 4" of file on thecane,||\||\|||\|| and also a little 3" scraper plane that I made. I work on the node areasfirst, get them smooth and level, then go the length of the strip. Thisgets everything flat so that it will sit in the final form accurately. Ihave this file labeled for "bamboo only" and also use it for filing thenodes slightly before flaming. As long as you stroke the long dimension ofthe strip (never side to side) it cuts smoothly. I then go to 400 gritpaper. Final sanding is done after the string comes off the glued up rodand I use the file again for that. KurtNixa, MO -----Original Message----- Subject: Nodes after Heat-treating Doing my first "noded" rod and after heat treating thesix strips of the butt section I noticed that thenodes still popped out a little even though I did usethe relief method of pressing the nodes. What is thebest way to deal with the nodes now, before finalplanning? Thanks,Bill W. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ from jojo@ipa.net Wed Mar 20 21:39:16 2002 g2L3dG408083 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:39:16 -0600 helo=default) id 16ntQ2-0006ct-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:39:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Nodes after Heat-treating Nomex is Kevlar, and if it weren't so horrendously expensive, the fly tyingKevlar thread wouldwork. I have a V-groove cut into a block of aluminum, attached to an aluminumangle, so that it slips overthe front of my vice jaws. Inletted into the aluminum block is a rectangle ofapprox. .625 width,into which fits a wooden block for pressing those errant nodes after heattreatment. As you said, itis very difficult after heat treating to get the nodes to work, and I have tobe especially carefulwhen trying to work them, lest I break the strip. Soaking for a sufficient number of days helps tremendously the problem ofnodes popping back, but sodoes over bending the node, rather than merely pressing it flat to the visejaws. I only rarely havenodes that try to return to their previous position. M-D That's a good question. You could just file them flat, but that woulddefeat the purpose of flattening them in the first place. After heattreating the moisture content is so low that it's difficult to straightenthem at all. I've toyed with the idea of trying to mill a 60 degreev-groove in a piece of aluminum to place over one of my vice jaws so I couldheat the node, put the apex of the strip into the v-groove, and just clampit to flatten and straighten it at the same time. Instead, I found something I'm reluctant to share with the list because Iknow if I'll ever be able to get any more of it. I believe that nodes popup during heat treatment because the strips lose moisture and shrink whenthey're heated. The problem is that the cotton thread, that can take theheat of heat treating, doesn't stretch, so when the bamboo shrinks thewrapsbecome loose. This loosens the string binding the strips and allows thenodes to return to, more-or-less, their original shape. I was at Boeing Surplus a couple of months ago and found some Nomexthread.This is the stuff that fire fighter's clothing is made of (at least when Iworked to the U.S. Forest Service nearly 30 years ago that's what our fireshirts and pants were made of). It's a synthetic fiber that can take theheat without melting, and though it doesn't stretch as much as nylon, itdoes stretch more than cotton. The stuff they had a Boeing Surplus was inspindles with 4 threads wrapped simultaneously onto them, so I had tore-spool it onto regular thread spools. I've tried it out on a couple ofrods and it seems to keep tension on the strips while heat treating and tosubstantially reduce the amount that nodes pop back up. I've got some strips soaking right now that I intend to try straighteningwet on Friday or Saturday. I've been concerned that they will have moremoisture in them when I put them in the oven and thus will shrink too much -- Robert Kope Doing my first "noded" rod and after heat treating thesix strips of the butt section I noticed that thenodes still popped out a little even though I did usethe relief method of pressing the nodes. What is thebest way to deal with the nodes now, before finalplanning? Thanks,Bill W. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Mar 20 22:30:01 2002 g2L4Tx411367 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:30:00 - Subject: Re: fish lic.- not rodmaking I remember that and it was very funny though I did notice a few people scratching their heads wondering what the joke was [:-)] Though now I think about it maybe it was at the beach in Queensland I saw the vacant stares [:- )] Up until the last few years I've always thought Aust and NZ should formalize closer economic and possibly constitutional ties mainly to benefit NZ but the last 6 months to a year of some very questionable shenanigans over here have made me very thankful NZ has kept to the true path and I can't wait to get there and never come back if it becomes par Tony At 06:53 AM 3/22/02 +1200, Ian Kearney wrote: Tony reminds me of a quote from a well known New Zealand politician whenhewas asked by an Aussie newspaper reporter what action Australia shouldtakeregarding the NZ " dole blunders and dropouts" who were moving toAustraliato collect the higher Australian dole and surf on the Queens beaches. Hisresponse " Australia should do nothing as the migration of these people toAustralia is improving the average IQ of both countries" Ian /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Wed Mar 20 23:15:15 2002 g2L5FD414220 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:15:13 - Subject: Re: Photos from NZ - with and assist from Todd Talsma g2L5FE414221 Great pics.I'd like to point out the first pic of the crew was not taken in the botanical gardens but was in fact Ian and Nova's back yard. That brings me to a question to the attendees.Did you need to form a line of beaters to drive Mike Roberts hip waders and all from cover each morning? [:-)] Bit of advise to anybody going to NZ and planing on dropping in on the Kearneys. Make seeing them the last part of your trip otherwise it makes the rest of your time there seem somewhat hollow. Also, much as I enjoy being the butt of the wader jokes I think it may be time for Mike to come clean on the background, eh mate? Tony At 02:30 PM 3/20/02 -0800, Jerry Madigan wrote: Todd has set up about 40 photos I took in NZ. They are at his siteat: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Photo_Galleries/RSRG_- _2002/rsrg_-_2002.html Many thanks, Todd. I have larger versions if someone wants one. Jerry __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from saweiss@flash.net Thu Mar 21 00:23:23 2002 g2L6NM421934 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:23:22 - g2L6NK328560 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 01:23:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Nodes after Heat-treating Organization: Prodigy Internet Bill,I just heat and press the offending nodes if they are popped out too much.If not, then I plane or scrape them down in the planing form.Steve --after heat treating thesix strips of the butt section I noticed that thenodes still popped out a little --What is thebest way to deal with the nodes now, before finalplanning? Thanks,Bill W from petermckean@netspace.net.au Thu Mar 21 05:32:29 2002 g2LBWR427907 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:32:28 - g2LBWEj36734; Subject: Re: Photos from NZ - with and assist from Todd Talsma Well, Jerry, those Kiwis really seem to have turned on some bloody awfulweather for you, don't they? We Australians really admire Kiwis for the way that they struggle on in theface of adversity, and manage to make a sort of sad semblance of lives forthemselves amid the obvious privation and substandard conditions in whichthey are forced to live. [:-)] Peter from dickay@alltel.net Thu Mar 21 05:59:44 2002 g2LBxh428404 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:59:43 -0600 Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:59:41 -0600 Subject: Re: Arkansas That was because he was born here and that was his mothers fault. Shecouldn't keep her knees together.DickPS You must remember I'm a DAMN YANKEE. That's one who moved here butwon't go home. I realize what good fishing there is here. I'm originally from southwest Michigan. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Arkansas Hi Bob and others: Remember "Bill" lived there. :>) Best, FrankFrank Paul, "GreyFox"TroutBeck Fly and RodBamboo Rod Refinishing and Restoration;Graphite and Glass Rod Repair;Trout Flies, Seneca, SC Summer Residence: Troutbeck Cottage, Waterville, PA; 570-753- 8121fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work), Clemson University; 864-656- 7471oakmere@carol.net (home), South Carolina; 864-882-0077 from dnorl@qwest.net Thu Mar 21 07:47:53 2002 g2LDlq429955 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:47:52 - 0000 (63.228.47.176) Subject: Greyrock Anyone know what the dates are?Dave Anyone know what the dates =are?Dave from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Thu Mar 21 08:17:56 2002 g2LEHu401501 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:17:56 - GAA18875; GAA22585; g2LEHnQ17111; (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 06:17:49 -0800 Subject: RE: fish lic. OJ knows who killed his ex-wife and she must be a caddy cause he's looking Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: fish lic. dick, they (bill and Hill) will probably come down here to miami. we already have OJ and MJ is looking. murderers child molesters and the mayor ofhialeah was convicted of racketeering while he was mayor and after prison was reelected. they will be here next you'll see!john from lblan@provide.net Thu Mar 21 08:48:11 2002 g2LEmB403022 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:48:11 - with HTTP id 15599441; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:48:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Greyrock June 21,22. You can download the registration form (.pdfformat) from www.curro.net, click on the "Rodmakers atGrayrock" button. Larry Blan On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:45:15 -0600"Dave Norling" wrote: Anyone know what the dates are?Dave from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Mar 21 09:23:28 2002 g2LFNR404813 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:23:27 - (authenticated) for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:23:23 -0800 (set) [rodmakers} {no politics} --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from jerryy@webtv.net Thu Mar 21 09:30:44 2002 g2LFUh405405 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:30:43 - by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with 2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id HAA14283; ETAtAhUAoqHV4QwECfLdWCfhyo7yVeLOTHoCFCgbu0EfmF+mhKZdb/XiN0UdKeFj Subject: Kevlar thread 2002 13:26:33 -0700 Someone has mentioned using kevlar thread for binding in heat treat. Ihave been using a 1500 denier multifiliment thread that is used as thecord in high performance tires. A bit heavy and is fine for butts buttoo heavy for tip sections. Heat resistant to about 600 degrees. Founda company in NC - Synthetic Threads (www.syntheticthreads.com)1-800-582-5004 that carries Kevlar and Nomex thread. Have ordered a 1lb. spool of unbonded single filament thread in 400 denier. It's notcheap -$85.00 for a 1lb. cone, but there are thousands of yards andwould keep several rodbuilders for the rest of their lives. Beauty isthat it keeps constant pressure on the strips while they are in theoven, unlike the cotton that I have been using. Have built two stylesof binders but I still choose to bind by hand using an old Thompson rodwrapping vise. Just feel it gives more control. Have tried kevlar flytying thread but found it to be too light. Even my neighbor, Chris Helmthe deer hair fly tying expert doesn't carry kevlar thread any longer.Uses the German "Dynacord" which I believe is equivalent to the Dupont"Nymex" threads. Will report on the lighter kevlar after I give it a try. Regards, Jerry Young from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Thu Mar 21 09:45:28 2002 g2LFjS406679 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:45:28 - g2LFgQH26647 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:42:26 -0700 08:43:26 2002 -0700 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:45:16 -0700 Subject: Re: fluorocarbons g2LFjS406680 Ralph,Interesting. I'll think twice before plunking down another 10 bucks for a newspool. But on a lighter note, some of the arguments (good ones) usedagainst fluorocarbon could also be used against graphite. Good-ol natural,biodegradable, bamboo. Yep, that's the responsible choice. 8-]JimH "Ralph W. Moon" 03/20/02 05:42PM >>> A good friend of mine in Salt Lake City from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Thu Mar 21 09:45:53 2002 g2LFjq406753 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:45:52 - for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:45:45 - Subject: Re: g2LFjr406755 return_answer {fprint ("Aw, 'cmon, Harry..." /n);frpint ("Where's your sense of humor?" /n);}; nyuk nyuk..... ;^? mark At 09:22 AM 3/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: (set) [rodmakers} {no politics} --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from ttalsma@macatawa.org Thu Mar 21 09:47:24 2002 g2LFlN407111 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:47:23 - id ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:39:54 -0500 id F563CP6H; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:39:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Sorry Harry, you have to be an administrator (no not an ad-minister) todo this. Either that or a webmeister. Harry Boyd wrote: (set) [rodmakers} {no politics} --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Thu Mar 21 10:32:46 2002 Received: g2LGWk409863 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) by Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 21 Mar 200210:16:52 -0600 Message-ID:From: "Miller, Troy" Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Howdy Ralph - I understandthe concern about not wanting to leave anything other than footprints whenwe sample life's simple pleasures. I have been using fluoro for the past threeor four years, and I love it. The fish can't see it, and it is very tough. I meanvery tough. I only use it for the very tippet (I only have three sizes of it).Just like mono or anything else I take to the field, I leave none of it out thereunless I absolutely cannot retrieve it. I wrestle in my mind, whether it isworse to leave five pieces of tippet per year that will never break down, orto leave 40 pieces that will break down in 50 years or so. I think that thebest thing is to leave as close to zero pieces of anything, if at all possible.I've said this before, on-list and off-. Zero-impact living is a myth. Just bybeing here, we alter earth's natural state. We make choices in driving cars,keeping a house warm in winter, and eating foods. To hyperfocus on onedetail and ignore most others is irresponsible as well. The important thing isthat we do the very best we can in all aspects of life, within reason. Withgreat respect to all who abhor lead and fluoro and carbon fiber, I'd like tocontinue prudent use of these things, without being shunned by our close- knit family. I am a tree, bunny, and trout hugger just like all the rest of y'all. Ihope that I have not offended you, Ralph. : ) Best regards -- TAM -----Original mine in Salt Lake City is on a campaign, and after reading a article in the SaltLake Tribune, I personally think that he has a point. I urge you to go to the SLTribune web site and read the article. It is too long to post to the list, but Ithink it is vital to all of us as anglers.http://www.sltrib.com/2002/mar/03192002/tuesday/tuesday.htm Ralph --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon > from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Mar 2111:03:41 2002 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-03.iinet.net.au Mar 2002 17:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) 0000 Message-Id:X-Sender:avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 From: Tony Young Subject:Re: Photos from NZ - with and assist from Todd Talsma Cc: "rodmakers" References: avyoung@iinet.net.au Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thepoor buggers :-(( TY At 10:30 PM 3/21/02 +1100, Peter McKean wrote: Well, Jerry, those Kiwis really seem to have turned on some bloody awfulweather for you, don't they? We Australians really admire Kiwis for the way that they struggle on in theface of adversity, and manage to make a sort of sad semblance of lives forthemselves amid the obvious privation and substandard conditions in whichthey are forced to live. [:-)] Peter /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Thu Mar 21 12:34:06 2002 g2LIY5417146 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:34:05 - Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:34:03 +0000 Subject: Re: Photos from NZ - with and assist from Todd Talsma There's a fibreglass rod in amongst that lot !!!!!!!!!!!! Jerry Madigan wrote: Todd has set up about 40 photos I took in NZ. They are at his siteat: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Photo_Galleries/RSRG_- _2002/rsrg_-_2002.html Many thanks, Todd. I have larger versions if someone wants one. Jerry __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ from rextutor@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 12:34:13 2002 g2LIYD417167 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:34:13 - 21 Mar 2002 10:34:12 PST Subject: Re: politics My prayers are with the rev, too : Harry Boyd wrote: (set) [rodmakers} {no politics} __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ from gjm80301@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 12:40:00 2002 g2LIdw417858 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:39:59 - Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:39:58 PST Subject: Re: Photos from NZ - with and assist from Todd Talsma Let the record show that it was a graphite rod and such was properlynoted in the caption. A certain rodmaker did not get the 6-weights made before the trip. Rest easy, though. The 8-pounder was caught on my Dickerson 8013. Jerry --- "paul.blakley" wrote: There's a fibreglass rod in amongst that lot !!!!!!!!!!!! Jerry Madigan wrote: Todd has set up about 40 photos I took in NZ. They are at his site at: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Photo_Galleries/RSRG_- _2002/rsrg_-_2002.html Many thanks, Todd. I have larger versions if someone wants one. Jerry __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards g2LLEX402492 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:14:33 - Subject: Re: politics I, too am with Harry on this one. Many members would not see so much humor in like references to "W" and his crowd. Years ago a friend of mine and I used to argue about politics all the time until one of several national scandals made his "man" look bad. He said to me, " They're all SOB's, it's just a matter of whether it's your SOB or my SOB so let's not argue politics any more." We have not, and it is still a lasting friendship. There's a lesson in there someplace. Hal from bob@downandacross.com Thu Mar 21 15:44:55 2002 g2LLis404385 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:44:54 - 21 Mar 2002 16:44:47 -0500 , Subject: RE: politics Yes, but I still wish he was your SOB and not NY's.My father always says, "Never talk religion, money, or politics." Goodadvice. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: politics I, too am with Harry on this one. Many members would notsee so muchhumor in like references to "W" and his crowd. Years ago a friend of mineand I used to argue about politics all the time until one ofseveral nationalscandals made his "man" look bad. He said to me, " They're all SOB's, it'sjust a matter of whether it's your SOB or my SOB so let's not arguepoliticsany more." We have not, and it is still a lasting friendship. There's alesson in there someplace. Hal from Lazybee45@aol.com Thu Mar 21 18:21:27 2002 g2M0LQ412889 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:21:26 - for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:21:13 - Subject: Re: politics In a message dated 3/21/02 3:15:52 PM Central Standard Time,HalManas@aol.com writes: Um, I agree myself. I have a brother who is a RABID right wing republican. He claims that I am a wild eyed radical leftist but that is of no matter. It is humorous that he can send me "Bill Clinton" jokes and they are wildly funny, but If I send a joke that says anything at ALL negative about his favored politicians, it is an affront to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The last one I sent was about the value of stock (In this case Enron) and beer, pointing out that $1000 worth of Enron stock or beer purchased a year ago would result in a return of about $60 from Enron and about $100 worth of deposit money from teh beer cans.This resulted in a huge letter about how awful it was to make fun of people losing their money and criminal actions on the part of Bill etc etc etc. What gets me is how people who are so involved in politics are so ready to fry the other side. In my MOST humble oninion, politicians are probably the lowest form of scum sucking life on earth and finding an honest politician is about as likely as my running across a $20 gold piece in the middle of the street in front of my house, but then that is just my opinion! he CAN'T talk about anything BUT politics, has resulted in a nearly total estrangement. We nearly never communicate. Sad, but what can you do? I can't even take him fishing or make him a rod! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from atlasc1@earthlink.net Thu Mar 21 19:32:53 2002 g2M1Wq414948 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:32:52 -0600 ([209.179.147.244] helo=computer) id 16oDvD-0000nt-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:32:48 -0800 Subject: lathe I just picked up the 7x10 mini lathe from Harbor Freight. They are now =red in color. I do have to say that it is well made and was well =protected in the box/crate. I went to the store and said that the lathe =was on sale on their website. He said they would honor the price $329 =on line but I had to have a print out of the ad. The price at the store =was $399. I just missed it being even lower in price $279 a few months =back. I thought I would have to go home , about 30min drive and print =out the ad, but my brilliant wife suggested we go to the library and go =on line. After getting a new library card I was able to go on line and =print up the ad. Back to HF and home with the lathe. Nothing broken, =damage or scratched. It was in perfect order. I understand this is not =the case if it it mailed to you. So I will be picking your brains on how to work this thing. It has been =since highschool that I have even touched a lathe. My first question is what kind of cutters should I get and what size? Adam Vigil I just picked up the 7x10 mini lathe = Freight. They are now red in color. I do have to say that it is well = was well protected in the box/crate. I went to the store and said that = the ad, but my brilliant wife suggested we go to the library and go on = After getting a new library card I was able to go on line and print up = Back to HF and home with the lathe. Nothing broken, damage or scratched. = you. So I will be picking your brains on how = lathe. My first question is what kind of = get and what size? AdamVigil from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Mar 21 20:01:09 2002 g2M217415834 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:01:07 - Subject: Re: politics Point taken, the list is no more the place for politics than emailed attachments but both happen TY scandals made his "man" look bad. He said to me, " They're all SOB's, it'sjust a matter of whether it's your SOB or my SOB so let's not argue politicsany more." We have not, and it is still a lasting friendship. There's alesson in there someplace. >> /************************* big snip ****************************************************/ brother,where heCAN'T talk about anything BUT politics, has resulted in a nearly totalestrangement. We nearly never communicate. Sad, but what can you do? Ican't even take him fishing or make him a rod! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from channer@frontier.net Thu Mar 21 20:06:04 2002 g2M264416195 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:04 -0600 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:05:59 -0700 Subject: Re: lathe Adam;I have the 7x12 Grizzley version, but I am pretty sure it was made bythe same company and has the same features, only the bed length isdiferent. The specs with mine said it used 3/8" cutters, but mineactually took 5/16ths and it does make a difference, you have to use thecorrect size cutter, the cutting edge needs to hit the center of theworkpiece or you will have big problems. I got a few 5/16ths HSS blanksand a set of 32 carbide tipped cutters, about 25 bucks for the wholedeal on sale from Enco, you get a half dozen or more of the variousconfigurations, including the all important 60d thread cutting bits.What you don't get in the carbide sets is a cut off bit, that's why Igot the blanks, so I could grind my own and any other special shapes Iwant.john Adam Vigil wrote: I just picked up the 7x10 mini lathe from Harbor Freight. They are nowred in color. I do have to say that it is well made and was wellprotected in the box/crate. I went to the store and said that thelathe was on sale on their website. He said they would honor theprice $329 on line but I had to have a print out of the ad. The priceat the store was $399. I just missed it being even lower in price $279a few months back. I thought I would have to go home , about 30mindrive and print out the ad, but my brilliant wife suggested we go tothe library and go on line. After getting a new library card I wasable to go on line and print up the ad. Back to HF and home with thelathe. Nothing broken, damage or scratched. It was in perfect order. Iunderstand this is not the case if it it mailed to you. So I will be picking your brains on how to work this thing. It hasbeen since highschool that I have even touched a lathe. My first question is what kind of cutters should I get and what size? Adam Vigil from bob@downandacross.com Thu Mar 21 20:10:38 2002 g2M2Ab416553 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:10:37 -0600 Subject: RE: lathe Adam:I really like the Valentine cutters from Sherline. They use a diamond bitand fit in a 3/8" cutter holder. I got mine on AJ's recommendation, and theyhave been great for ferrules. Really smooth. Expensive at slightly over$100, but they never need re-sharpening and I was still on the first cuttingedge of mine (after 6 months of mild use) when SOMEBODY RIPPED ME OFFANDTOOK IT! Left the tool holder and took it. Watch out for utility guys andvisitors.I think HSS is just fine for almost anything. It can get really sharp. JUstused my HSS cutters in the lathe to turn a new point for my quad formstonight. Worked like a charm.Best regards,Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:33 PM Subject: lathe My first question is what kind of cutters should I get and what size? Adam: like the Valentine cutters from Sherline. They use a diamond bit and fit = 3/8" cutter holder. I got mine on AJ's recommendation, and they have = need re-sharpening and I was still on the first cutting edge of mine = months of mild use) when SOMEBODY RIPPED ME OFF AND TOOK IT! Left the = is just fine for almost anything. It can get really sharp. JUst used my = cutters in the lathe to turn a new point for my quad forms tonight. = a charm. regards,Bob VigilSent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:33 rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject:latheMy first question is what kind of = I get and what size? from Troutgetter@aol.com Thu Mar 21 20:43:08 2002 g2M2h7417616 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:43:07 -0600 Subject: Re: lathe Adam,When you bring me back my snakemaker, I'll give you a few cutters.Luv you man!Mike Shay Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from atlasc1@earthlink.net Thu Mar 21 20:53:39 2002 g2M2rd418035 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:53:39 -0600 ([209.179.147.12] helo=computer) id 16oFBF-0007n5-00; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:53:26 -0800 Subject: Re: lathe Mike, What snake maker? Who are you? Why are you talking to me? I will beingshooting teenagers this weekend. I will try to stop buy and get my cuttersand my cane. AdamBack at you man....but not in a gay way!----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: lathe Adam,When you bring me back my snakemaker, I'll give you a few cutters.Luv you man!Mike Shay Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from eamon_lee@hotmail.com Thu Mar 21 22:22:13 2002 g2M4MB419968 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:22:12 - Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:22:06 -0800 Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:22:06 GMT Subject: Re: Lathe FILETIME=[20443500:01C1D159] Adam-Like Channer, I have the Grizz 7x12 too. Same machine, same company,longer bed. Here's the list of stuff I got for my machine for rodmaking. Knurling tool holder and knurlsboring bar with carbide bit (made my holder that fits in tool post)5/16 bits (3/8 too big) and shims (.001, .002, .005, etc..)Indexable turning tool holders and bitsCenter drills1/64"-1/2" HSS drill bit set1/2" Jacobs chuck with arborGood live centerCheapo dial indicators with magnetic bases. Use these on your cross slide, tailstock and carriage. Index your cutter to your stock, zero your indicators, and you have the next best thing to a DRO (digital read out)Dave LeClair taught me that!! You will also need them to center your work and check for chuck run-out when you run your tool post into the chuck. It's not if, it's when....Most everything else you can make, ie. mandrels, jigs, etc.. Here are two sites I have found VERY helpful-Little Machine Shop-They have stuff that can be tough to find for mini lathes and milling machines.http://www.littlemachineshop.com/LMS/default.php Varmint Al's Page-Good page for mods and troubleshooting for the mini lathe-pour yourself a cup of coffee before you read his page, it's great!http://www.cctrap.com/~varmint/alath.htm Hope this helps Adam, I love my lathe, so much so that now I'm looking for a bigger one!!! The 7x10 does all that you will need for rod making though. Have fun!Eamon _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Thu Mar 21 22:43:31 2002 g2M4hU420567 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:43:30 - Subject: Re: Syntax error line 3. Unknown command frpint ("Where's your sense of humor?" /n); -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: return_answer {fprint ("Aw, 'cmon, Harry..." /n);frpint ("Where's your sense of humor?" /n);}; nyuk nyuk..... ;^? mark At 09:22 AM 3/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: (set) [rodmakers} {no politics} --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from dongreife@hotmail.com Thu Mar 21 23:06:08 2002 g2M567421199 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:06:07 - Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:05:54 -0800 HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 05:05:54 GMT Subject: Re: lathe FILETIME=[3E8D9910:01C1D15F] You may want to check the current issue of PowerFibers On LineMagazine for a great article on Ferrule Making "101". It is the firstcomprehensive article on the subject that I've run across.. I did a practice told me was that my 9x19 Grizzly was not lined up properly. Havefun. was made by length is mine have to use the center of the HSS blanks the whole various cutting bits. that's why I special shapes I Freight. They are now was well said that the honor the ad. The price lower in price $279 , about 30min suggested we go to card I was home with the perfect order. I thing. It has lathe. and what size? Join the world's largest e-mail servicewith MSN Hotmail. ClickHere from eamon_lee@hotmail.com Thu Mar 21 23:18:35 2002 g2M5IY421630 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:18:34 - Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:18:29 -0800 Fri, 22 Mar 2002 05:18:28 GMT Subject: Re: Lathe FILETIME=[007958B0:01C1D161] M-D-I really haven't needed collets yet. I thought I may when it came to ferrules, but the chuck is dead nuts and the work measures up. Ask Dave Leclair about the accuracy of these machines-he tested mine. The Grizz came with a follow rest and I do use it occasionally. I'm not sure the HF comes with one. Eamon _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from HARRISTRIBE@aol.com Thu Mar 21 23:22:12 2002 g2M5MB421900 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:22:11 -0600 Subject: Re: lathe Congrads on the new lathe Adam and for Gods sake be careful. They can be brutally unforgiving. You can ask me how I know and I'm sure anybody who owns one can give you a story. Never let your guard down or I guarantee you'll get a wake-up call.I'm sure you know this. I just had to say it to a friend.Best of luck,JimH Congrads on the new lathe Adam and for Gods sake Never let your guard down or I guarantee you'll get a wake-up call. Best of luck,JimH from JNL123141@msn.com Thu Mar 21 23:26:55 2002 g2M5Qt422234 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:26:55 - Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:26:49 -0800 Subject: Table saw FILETIME=[2AAB8AD0:01C1D162] Guys,After years of just managing to get by with an old Craftsman 8 in. table =saw, I just took delivery on a Grizzly 10 in. left tilting arbor cabinet =saw and love it. What a difference! Its like going from a stage coach t=o a limo. I suppose a PowerMatic would be better but they are too pricey= Several years ago I bought Delta Unisaw but sent it back after discoverin=g the cast iron top was warped and I could not get the blade to 90 deg. o=r parallel to the miter slots. The factory rep. wanted to shim the top w=hich kind of made me livid and I told him to take his flagship saw back i=n polite terms. The only good thing about that whole ordeal was I kept t=he $150 rebate which I figure I earned anyway by getting that thing down =to my basement and back up again.The Grizzly was easy to set up and I think I'm going to be happy with it.=I see some wood rod cases in my future.... Guys, After years of just managing to get by with an old Craftsman 8 in. tab=le saw, I just took delivery on a Grizzly 10 in. left tilting arbor cabin= isaw but sent it back after discovering the cast iron top was warped and&= of made me livid and I told him to take his flagship saw back in p= the $150 rebate which I figure I earned anyway by getting that thing dow= easy = = from KyleDruey@aol.com Thu Mar 21 23:32:00 2002 g2M5W0422553 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:32:00 -0600 Subject: Re: lathe Uhhh, Adam, don't you think you ought to keep sharp things away from Mike? Have the stitches in his finger healed yet? [:)] Kyle In a message dated 03/21/2002 6:53:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: Mike,What snake maker? Who are you? Why are you talking to me? I willbeingshooting teenagers this weekend. I will try to stop buy and get my cuttersand my cane.AdamBack at you man....but not in a gay way!----- Original Message -----From: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:42 PMSubject: Re: latheAdam,When you bring me back my snakemaker, I'll give you a few cutters.Luv you man!Mike Shay Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xg05.mx.aol.com (rly-xg05.mail.aol.com Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:53:25 1900 rly- Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:52:54 -0500 g2M2rn418069; Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas. g2M2rd418035 Received: from pool0267.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.147.12] helo=computer) Message-ID: From: "Adam Vigil" Cc: References: Subject: Re: latheDate: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:53:24 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX- Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from jojo@ipa.net Thu Mar 21 23:56:40 2002 g2M5ue423331 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:56:40 -0600 helo=default) id 16oI2T-0008L8-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:56:34 -0500 Subject: Re: fluorocarbons Hmmm, I wonder how long it takes for a graphite rod to decomposeunderwater, after it's been lost,or to decompose in the landfill? Imagine the impact on the fisheries from allthat plastic. Rumorhas it that carbon graphite goes radioactive after a while, too, (C14) therebyincreasing itslongevity, which should give us the piscatorial cousin of Godzilla. I can justsee tiny flyfisherman, frantically waving their plastic wands in desperation as Truchillachomps down on them asif they were caddis nymphs.Bamboo -- it's the right thing to do. M-D Ralph,Interesting. I'll think twice before plunking down another 10 bucks for a newspool. But on alighter note, some of the arguments (good ones) used against fluorocarboncould also be used againstgraphite. Good-ol natural, biodegradable, bamboo. Yep, that's theresponsible choice. 8-]JimH "Ralph W. Moon" 03/20/02 05:42PM >>> A good friend of mine in Salt Lake City from dannyt@frisurf.no Fri Mar 22 02:57:47 2002 g2M8vk425801 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:57:46 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: real southern gathering The gathring was indeed a succsess, and You can't find better host thanIan and Nova. That I know from my privious visit in January, also cathingsome realy nice brown trout in that so called secret pool:-) I'm defentely going to make me a binder like the one Ian demonstrated, inhope to get straighter blanks. The #7 hollow built rod is a Asbjoern Hoergaard "Konkurranse D" 9' 2piece. I do not have the taper with me to NZ, so if anybody want it, I'msure Ian will measure it. I really enjoyed casting Bob N's little 5'6" #4 quad, it is the best rodI've ever cast. I know what the culm I got from the Demarest is going tobe. But it has to be a hex since I don't have neither a HandMill nor quadform.. Some of the old british rods Ian had was some real cannon, and they wouldbe perfect for seatrout/steelhead. Great gathering, and very nice to eventually meet up with some List guys. later,danny from Lazybee45@aol.com Fri Mar 22 04:44:48 2002 g2MAil427039 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:44:47 -0600 Subject: Re: fluorocarbons In a message dated 3/21/02 11:57:18 PM Central Standard Time,jojo@ipa.net writes: Well! the FIRST thing to do is not to throw your carbon fiber or fiberglass rod in the stream in frustration when things don't go our way, after all we are NOT golfers are we? hair and feathers. I asked how it worked. He told me,"It is surprisingly effective if you tie on a quarter stick of dynamite as a dropper." mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from Lazybee45@aol.com Fri Mar 22 05:15:31 2002 g2MBFU427548 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 05:15:30 -0600 Subject: E-bay, somewhat OT Guys (and ladies too!) I wanted to know if anyone on these lists, (a group of people that I respect and admire!) has dealt with e-bay as a seller. I am NOT the most computer literate person in the world and I am very hesitantto give out information to a company on the computer! though I do know that e-bay does have a good reputation. Those of you who know my wood workknow that what I do is highly customized and individual items. (much like cane rods eh?) So I am asking for advice and help. I am not all that sure how to procede with dealing with their cost policy or exactly what.So if any of you can give me a bit of a hand with information, I would greatly appreceate it! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from wlwalter77us@yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 06:59:38 2002 g2MCxb429092 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:59:37 -0600 22 Mar 2002 04:59:33 PST Subject: Re: Kevlar thread rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu I sense a group order possibility. Bill W. --- Jerry Young wrote: Someone has mentioned using kevlar thread forbinding in heat treat. Ihave been using a 1500 denier multifiliment threadthat is used as thecord in high performance tires. A bit heavy and isfine for butts buttoo heavy for tip sections. Heat resistant to about600 degrees. Founda company in NC - Synthetic Threads(www.syntheticthreads.com)1-800-582-5004 that carries Kevlar and Nomex thread.Have ordered a 1lb. spool of unbonded single filament thread in 400denier. It's notcheap -$85.00 for a 1lb. cone, but there arethousands of yards andwould keep several rodbuilders for the rest of theirlives. Beauty isthat it keeps constant pressure on the strips whilethey are in theoven, unlike the cotton that I have been using. Have built two stylesof binders but I still choose to bind by hand usingan old Thompson rodwrapping vise. Just feel it gives more control. Have tried kevlar flytying thread but found it to be too light. Even myneighbor, Chris Helmthe deer hair fly tying expert doesn't carry kevlarthread any longer.Uses the German "Dynacord" which I believe isequivalent to the Dupont"Nymex" threads. Will report on the lighter kevlar after I give it atry. Regards, Jerry Young __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ from cw@vanion.com Fri Mar 22 08:27:22 2002 g2MERM401477 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:27:22 -0600 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:32:19 -0700 Subject: Re: E-bay, somewhat OT Mark, I've been on ebay, as a buyer, and have recently been in touch with aguy who has been wonderful to deal with. He is a woodwooker too and I canrecommend him to you to help answer questions about ebay. He's got an ebay"store" account, and a "showcase" page. He was very enthusiastic aboutdealing with rodmakers, and said he'd appreciate me listing his sites on thepage. Feel free to contact him, he's great.Clint McCormickmcfamily@directvinternet.comhttp://showcase.auctiva.com/clintswoodwings Chad-----Original Message----- hpv@ihpva.org Subject: E-bay, somewhat OT Guys (and ladies too!) I wanted to know if anyone on these lists, (a groupof people that I respect and admire!) has dealt with e-bay as a seller. I am NOT the most computer literate person in the world and I am very hesitant to give out information to a company on the computer! though I do know thate- bay does have a good reputation. Those of you who know my wood workknowthat what I do is highly customized and individual items. (much like canerods eh?) So I am asking for advice and help. I am not all that sure how to procede with dealing with their cost policy or exactly what.So if any of you can give me a bit of a hand with information, I wouldgreatly appreceate it! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Fri Mar 22 08:38:44 2002 g2MEci402186 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:38:44 -0600 g2MEcPdd017693 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:38:26 -0500 Subject: Re: g2MEci402187 Oops, that should be fprint, not frpint.... What happened to my gcc compiler???? Thing didn't work as advertised..... Mark At 10:38 PM 3/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: Syntax error line 3. Unknown command frpint ("Where's your sense of humor?" /n); -----Original Message-----From: Mark Wendt Date: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:51 AMSubject: Re: return_answer {fprint ("Aw, 'cmon, Harry..." /n);frpint ("Where's your sense of humor?" /n);}; nyuk nyuk..... ;^? mark At 09:22 AM 3/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: (set) [rodmakers} {no politics} --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from atlasc1@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 08:44:32 2002 g2MEiV402680 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:44:31 -0600 ([209.179.147.100] helo=computer) id 16oQHM-0007je-00; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:44:29 -0800 Subject: Re: lathe Jim, Thanks for the warning. I know it has to be true coming from a guy name =4 finger Harris LOLNow I do not have to bug you about making me stuff... well until I get a =mill at least. Adam Subject: Re: lathe Congrads on the new lathe Adam and for Gods sake be careful. They can =be brutally unforgiving. You can ask me how I know and I'm sure anybody =who owns one can give you a story. Never let your guard down or I =guarantee you'll get a wake-up call.I'm sure you know this. I just had to say it to a friend.Best of luck, Jim, Thanks for the warning. I know it has = coming from a guy name 4 finger Harris LOLNow I do not have to bug you about = stuff... well until I get a mill at least. Adam ----- Original Message ----- HARRISTRIBE@aol.com = Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 = PMSubject: Re: latheCongrads on the new lathe Adam and for Gods sake= your guard down or I guarantee you'll get a wake-up call.I'm sure = from atlasc1@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 08:47:19 2002 g2MElJ403124 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:47:19 -0600 ([209.179.147.100] helo=computer) id 16oQK5-00037Q-00; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:47:17 -0800 Subject: Re: lathe Mike take stitches? He don't need no stinkin stitches! He just sat therecalmly bleeding on us and said don't worry. It's only a flesh wound! Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: lathe Uhhh, Adam, don't you think you ought to keep sharp things away fromMike?Have the stitches in his finger healed yet? [:)] Kyle from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Fri Mar 22 08:57:51 2002 g2MEvo403936 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:57:50 -0600 g2MEvidd018141 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:57:44 -0500 Subject: Re: g2MEvp403937 Dat's the one I be usin'..... Direct from gnu.org. gcc 2.95.2 - it let me down... :^? Mark At 08:41 AM 3/22/2002 -0600, you wrote: should have gotten the open source GNU compiler,8*) Brad *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 3/22/02 at 9:38 AM Mark Wendt wrote: Oops, that should be fprint, not frpint.... What happened to my gcccompiler???? Thing didn't work as advertised..... Mark At 10:38 PM 3/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: Syntax error line 3. Unknown command frpint ("Where's your sense of humor?" /n); -----Original Message----- Date: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:51 AMSubject: Re: return_answer {fprint ("Aw, 'cmon, Harry..." /n);frpint ("Where's your sense of humor?" /n);}; nyuk nyuk..... ;^? mark At 09:22 AM 3/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: (set) [rodmakers} {no politics} --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from rmoon@ida.net Fri Mar 22 09:47:40 2002 g2MFle407191 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:47:40 -0600 0000 Subject: fishing. Non rod related Sorry to bring up a non bamboo rod question, but I am getting a littledesparate. A good friend is coming to see me for a few days a week orso hence. His favorite spot to fish (excluding my back yard) is justbelow Hebgen Dam on the Madison. I have not been able to find out howis is. Any one of you guys know? Ralph --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from canazon@mindspring.com Fri Mar 22 10:35:09 2002 g2MGZ9410413 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:35:09 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16oS0N-0001HV-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:35:03 -0500 Subject: reelseats list,i have two reelseats in which the threaded part of the downlocking =reelseat, protrudes about 1/4 inch beyond the insert, leaving a gap =between the insert and the cork grip. do i need to fill this gap with = mike list, = part of the downlocking reelseat, protrudes about 1/4 inch beyond the = leaving a gap between the insert and the cork grip. do i need to fill = mike from jvswan@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 10:51:49 2002 g2MGpm411516 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:51:48 -0600 (216.160.236.98) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108Subject: Re: reelseats understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3099635498_111349 I=B9m sure this is a really dumb comment, but that sounds more like anup- locking reel seat. I have never used down-locking seats with that kindof gap under the threaded barrel. The insert is usually flush with thehardware. At any rate, I would highly recommend filling it with something.Masking tape would be easy but a cork ring might be better. If it is only =aquarter of an inch, take a quarter inch ring (if you have one) and mark it circle. Then cut it out. I also know that Clemens and some other rodsupply companies have cork reel seat bushings. They are designed to fitunder all metal and graphite reel seats. One of those would probably workreal slick, just cut off the width that you need, and there you go. Jason BTW =AD those reel seat bushings (I have had some, but I don=B9t use thembecause they don=B9t fit under hard wood spacers) make great hard epoxyerasers. If you get epoxy where you don=B9t want it, and it hardens, youcanrub it vigorously with the cork (or an old cork ring) and the heat from thefriction breaks the epoxy down and it goes away, just like it was beingerased. It=B9s pretty slick. On 3/22/02 10:33 AM, "mike canazon" wrote: list,i have two reelseats in which the threaded part of the downlocking reels= eat, protrudes about 1/4 inch beyond the insert, leaving a gap between the ins= ert and the cork grip. do i need to fill this gap with cork or wood, or can ileave the void in there?mike --B_3099635498_111349 Re: reelseats I’m sure this is a really dumb comment,but that= lock= r inch ring (if you have one) and mark it by pressing the threaded barrel on= sp;I also know that Clemens and some other rod supply companies have corkre= f the width that you need, and there you go. Jason BTW – those reel seat bushings (I have had some, but I don’tus=e them because they don’t fit under hard wood spacers) make greathard= it=hardens, you can rub it vigorously with the cork (or an old cork ring) and =the heat from the friction breaks the epoxy down and it goes away, just like= On 3/22/02 10:33 AM, "mike canazon" ; wrote: list, elseat, protrudes about 1/4 inch beyond the insert, leaving a gap betweenth=e insert and the cork grip. do i need to fill this gap with cork or wood, or=can i leave the void in there? --B_3099635498_111349-- from bhoy551@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 10:58:54 2002 g2MGws412273 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:58:54 -0600 Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:58:48 -0500 Subject: Knurls FILETIME=[D5E91F10:01C1D1C2] Hello, all, Can anybody give me any advice about knurling and knurling tools for reel seats? I have a 12-inch grizzley lathe, and have slowly taught myself how to make ferrules from tube. Now I'd like to give reel seats a try. I gather that most people don't recommend one of the pressure-type knurling tools on small lathes because of possible damage to bearings and cross slides. Looking at the catalogs (MSC, McMaster and Travers) they all list scissors type knurlers (tho I'm not sure they will fit my lathe). But the wheels available seems limited. Does anybody use scissors type knurlers and do the accept standard knurling wheels? Any advice on knurling would also be appreciated. Do I need to precisely measure the circumference of the knurl and purchase wheels accordingly to prevent double cutting the knurl? Thanks, bill from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Fri Mar 22 11:15:34 2002 g2MHFY413585 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:15:34 -0600 g2MHFOdd020996 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:15:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Knurls Bill, I have the Homier 7 x 12 mini lathe. I purchased a scissor knurler from http://www.littlemachineshop.com and it works just fine. I just finished a depth gauge base, and used the knurler on it and it worked very nice. The knurling wheels are the standard size, so if you have to replace them, you can get them just about anywhere. This web site is dedicated to the mini lathes and mini mills, and also stocks a lot of replacement parts for most mini lathes and mini mills. Another question to the guys that are doing rope knurls on their stuff. What kind of tool are you using and where do you get it? Thanks,Mark At 11:58 AM 3/22/2002 -0500, you wrote: Hello, all, Can anybody give me any advice about knurling and knurling tools for reel seats? I have a 12-inch grizzley lathe, and have slowly taught myself how to make ferrules from tube. Now I'd like to give reel seats a try. I gather that most people don't recommend one of the pressure-type knurling tools on small lathes because of possible damage to bearings and cross slides. Looking at the catalogs (MSC, McMaster and Travers) they all list scissors type knurlers (tho I'm not sure they will fit my lathe). But the wheels available seems limited. Does anybody use scissors type knurlers and do the accept standard knurling wheels? Any advice on knurling would also be appreciated. Do I need to precisely measure the circumference of the knurl and purchase wheels accordingly to prevent double cutting the knurl? Thanks, bill from canazon@mindspring.com Fri Mar 22 12:33:18 2002 g2MIXH417748 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:33:17 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16oTqc-0005tC-00; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:33:06 -0500 Subject: Re: reelseats Re: reelseats Subject: Re: reelseats thanks for your replies.the dumb question is mine. i've been agonizing over asking this for =months. but i got the monkey off my back. it is downlocking. no = and no, the butt cap does not hit the cane. it is designed with =the threaded sleeve (that slips over the reelseat) about 3/8" longer = i just looked in my rec catalogue and saw inserts for their hooded =uplocking models. i must have a hooded downlocking? anyway, i will cut =some cork to fit.mike Re: reelseats ----- Original Message ----- Swan Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 = AMSubject: Re: reelseats I’m sure this is a really dumb =comment, pete and jason, thanks for your replies. = the cane. it is designed with the threaded sleeve (that slips over the = reelseat) about 3/8" longer than the insert. it is very nice and well = inserts for their hooded uplocking models. i must have a hooded = anyway, i will cut some cork to fit. mike from flyfish@gbronline.com Fri Mar 22 12:39:44 2002 g2MIdd418245 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:39:39 -0600 Subject: vranish drying I just dipped a rod in Varmor, and then suspended the butt section in afluorescent tube guard, and the mid and tip are inside a capped sectionof 4" PVC pipe. I put them in closed tubes to drip clear and dry as ahedge against dust particles, but they seem to be taking forever to dry.The closed tube obviously lets no air flow, but will they dry inside aclosed vessel? Should I open either the top or the bottom to let in anair change or two, or just wait? Greg from eamon_lee@hotmail.com Fri Mar 22 14:42:31 2002 g2MKgV424657 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:42:31 -0600 Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:42:25 -0800 Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:42:25 GMT Subject: Reel Seat Die FILETIME=[133F63A0:01C1D1E2] All-I am having a butt cap engraved and I suspect it is not going to be what I'm looking for. They can only do so much-the bulk of their business is retirement plaques and little league trophies. Thought I'd give it a shot anyway. What I would like to know is if anyone has had a die made similar to what Leonard et. al. used. Who does this kind of work? Is there a specific company that has done this for rodmakers? TIA,Eamon _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from jojo@ipa.net Fri Mar 22 15:05:14 2002 g2ML5C426066 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:05:13 -0600 helo=default) id 16oWDa-0002U5-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:04:59 -0500 Subject: Re: reelseats Re: reelseatsMike, Don't worry about it, when you fit the grip to the rod the excess =adhesive will fill the void, to a large extent. If you're using U40 =RodBond it will fill it nearly to the top. It doesn't make any =difference. This is as low a stress area as it gets. M-D thanks for your replies.the dumb question is mine. i've been agonizing over asking this = and no, the butt cap does not hit the cane. it is designed with =the threaded sleeve (that slips over the reelseat) about 3/8" longer = i just looked in my rec catalogue and saw inserts for their =hooded uplocking models. i must have a hooded downlocking? anyway, i =will cut some cork to fit.mike Re: reelseats Mike, Don't worry about it, = the grip to the rod the excess adhesive will fill the void, to a large = If you're using U40 RodBond it will fill it nearly to the top. It = any difference. This is as low a stress area as it =gets. M-D Swan I’m sure this is a really dumb = pete and jason, thanks for your replies. agonizing over asking this for months. but i got the monkey off my = the cane. it is designed with the threaded sleeve (that slips over = reelseat) about 3/8" longer than the insert. it is very nice and = downlocking? anyway, i will cut some cork to fit. mike from jojo@ipa.net Fri Mar 22 15:10:56 2002 g2MLAt426521 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:10:55 -0600 helo=default) id 16oWJF-0004YL-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:10:50 -0500 Subject: Re: vranish drying The solvents are heavier than air, but they will still have an effect on thevarnish, as you areobviously experiencing. Open the tubes up and let some air in. M-D ----- Original Message ----- Subject: vranish drying I just dipped a rod in Varmor, and then suspended the butt section in afluorescent tube guard, and the mid and tip are inside a capped sectionof 4" PVC pipe. I put them in closed tubes to drip clear and dry as ahedge against dust particles, but they seem to be taking forever to dry.The closed tube obviously lets no air flow, but will they dry inside aclosed vessel? Should I open either the top or the bottom to let in anair change or two, or just wait? Greg from bob@downandacross.com Fri Mar 22 15:13:54 2002 g2MLDr426904 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:13:53 -0600 22 Mar 2002 16:13:44 -0500 Subject: RE: Reel Seat Die HI Eamon:Several list memebers have recommended these guys:http://www.universalmarking.com/I have not tried them, and I am more interested in Hal Bacon's use ofelectro-chemical etching. May get a unit to do that someday.Best regards,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Reel Seat Die All-I am having a butt cap engraved and I suspect it is not going to bewhat I'mlooking for. They can only do so much-the bulk of their business isretirement plaques and little league trophies. Thought I'd give it a shotanyway. What I would like to know is if anyone has had a die made similar to whatLeonard et. al. used. Who does this kind of work? Is there a specificcompany that has done this for rodmakers? TIA,Eamon _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from dannyt@frisurf.no Fri Mar 22 15:39:08 2002 g2MLd7428427 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:39:07 - User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma Todd has set up some of my photos from NZ, at his site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Photo_Galleries/Danny_Twang_s_RSRG_Photos/danny_twang_s_rsrg_photos.html The image resoloution is keept small for easy browsing. regardsdanny from HARRISTRIBE@aol.com Fri Mar 22 15:48:09 2002 g2MLm8429067 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:48:08 -0600 Subject: Re: Knurls Mark,I make my rope knurls the poor mans way. That is, without the official rope knurl rollers. When I'm turning down the cap or ring or whatever, I simply leave a small band of metal at the place where I want the rope to be. Make the band about 1/2 to 3/4 of the size of your desired finished rope width because it will get flattened and spread out during the knurling process. Use knurl rollers that make a simple straight diagonal line pattern, right or left, it doesn't matter. When these rollers are forced into the little metal band take care not to go so far as to knurl anything else but the band but get as close as you can to the non knurled surface. If you press to far you will have to clean up the marks. Now once it is knurled give it a good buffing to help round over the knurled band so it looks like a rope partly submerged in the surface of the piece. Its better to use rollers that make a close line pattern but if you have wider pattern wheels they will suffice. It will take a few tries to get one looking presentable but I really do think they look as good or better than the official rope knurl rollers make. Oh, and if you want two ropes close together, try to knurl them separately, that is, one at a time. Good LuckJimH Mark, simply leave a small band of metal at the place where I want the rope to finished rope width because it will get flattened and spread out during the rollers are forced into the little metal band take care not to go so far as toknurl anything else but the band but get as close as you can to the non the knurled band so it looks like a rope partly submerged in the surface of if you have wider! looking presentable but I really do think they look as good or better than the LuckJimH from ttalsma@macatawa.org Fri Mar 22 15:48:16 2002 g2MLmG429091 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:48:16 - id ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:40:53 -0500 id F563CQ50; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:40:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma All, Please remember that you have to cut and paste this URL into yourbrowser. It's too long to just click on it. Thanks. Danny Twang wrote: Todd has set up some of my photos from NZ, at his site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Photo_Galleries/Danny_Twang_s_RSRG_Photos/danny_twang_s_rsrg_photos.html The image resoloution is keept small for easy browsing. regardsdanny -- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from rmoon@ida.net Fri Mar 22 16:53:12 2002 Received: from ida.net 0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ida.net) (208.141.176.69) by Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:53:09 -0700 ttalsma@macatawa.org CC: dannyt@frisurf.no, rodmakersSubject: Re: Photos from NZ PArt II- withand assist from Todd Talsma References: Content-Type: text/plain; 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Todd Even then it does notwork Ralph Todd Talsma wrote: All, Please remember that you have to cut and paste this URL into yourbrowser. It's too long to just click on it. --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from KyleDruey@aol.com Fri Mar 22 17:06:38 2002 g2MN6c402899 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:06:38 -0600 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:06:26 - MAILINID111-0322180626; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:06:25 -0500 Subject: NYC List, Are there any bamboo related points of interest that are a must see in NewYork city? I unfortunately will have to be there next month for several daysand I want to plan ahead for the important part of the trip. [:)] Thanks, have a great weekend, Kyle from splitcane@t-online.de Fri Mar 22 17:18:18 2002 g2MNIH403580 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:18:18 - id 16oYIY-0005E6-03; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:18:14 +0100 fwd11.sul.t-online.com Subject: Re: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma hi, I tried the url and the response was : this site is not available! =:-(Michael Danny Twang schrieb: Todd has set up some of my photos from NZ, at his site: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Cont/Photo_Galleries/Danny_Twang_s_RSRG_Photos/danny_twang_s_rsrg_photos.html The image resoloution is keept small for easy browsing. regardsdanny from homes-sold@attbi.com Fri Mar 22 18:24:25 2002 g2N0OO405603 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:24:24 - ;Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:24:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma To see Danny's pictures of the Real Southern Rodmakers GatheringGo to Todd's site http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Click on: Photo GalleriesClick on: The Real Southern Rodmakers Gathering - 2002 - Danny Twang Don ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma Todd has set up some of my photos from NZ, at his site: from Nodewrrior@aol.com Fri Mar 22 18:50:54 2002 g2N0or406413 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:50:53 -0600 Subject: Re: NYC Although it's not necessarily bamboo related, I used to go to Urban Angler when I lived there. It is or maybe used to be on 25th street off the #6 train. Nice flyshop in the lower end of Manhattan. Rob Hoffhines from HomeyDKlown@att.net Fri Mar 22 18:53:22 2002 g2N0rL406644 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:53:21 -0600 ;Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:53:15 +0000 Subject: RE: NYC Kyle, If you travel a couple of hours outside of the city you can find theCatskills Flyfishing Center in Livngston Manor, NY. While not devotedentirely to cane, it has a wealth of information and exhibits relating tothe development of flyfishing in the northeast, as well as some good stuffon the folks that had a major impact on the sport. Dennis -----Original Message----- Subject: NYC List, Are there any bamboo related points of interest that are a must see in NewYork city? I unfortunately will have to be there next month for severaldays and I want to plan ahead for the important part of the trip. [:)] Thanks, have a great weekend, Kyle from dannyt@frisurf.no Fri Mar 22 19:18:15 2002 g2N1ID407591 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:18:13 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma I think Ya'll must be on some microsoft PC's, I have no problem justclicking the URL, the sits pop up right away.............MAC Rules:-)danny from iank@ts.co.nz Fri Mar 22 20:23:39 2002 g2N2Nc408900 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:23:38 - by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2N2ZAD17578 for RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:35:10+1200 Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:35:05 +1200 ,"rodmakers" Subject: Marty's binder Several people have asked me for details or diagrams of this binder. Toddhas added a section under the binders part on his site with some of myphotos and I have added an explanation of how to use it. My photos make it very clear that I am not a photographer however Dannyhasa couple of pictures in his report on the southern rodmakers gatheringshowing the binder being demonstrated. Danny is a photographer !. It is fareasier to see how it works from those photos. Ian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma To see Danny's pictures of the Real Southern Rodmakers GatheringGo to Todd's site http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Click on: Photo GalleriesClick on: The Real Southern Rodmakers Gathering - 2002 - Danny Twang Don from atlasc1@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 20:26:00 2002 g2N2Px409112 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:25:59 -0600 ([209.179.147.89] helo=computer) id 16obED-0006eJ-00; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:25:58 -0800 Subject: Re: vranish drying Greg, Take the caps off both ends of those tubes! I never have a problem with minedrying unless I forget to take off the bottom cap. Put a clean sock on thetop and on the bottom of the tube to allow it to dry. The air in the tube isheavy from the vapors and if it does not get out the bottom it is not goinganywhere. So PUT A SOCK ON IT! Adam Vigil----- Original Message ----- Subject: vranish drying I just dipped a rod in Varmor, and then suspended the butt section in afluorescent tube guard, and the mid and tip are inside a capped sectionof 4" PVC pipe. I put them in closed tubes to drip clear and dry as ahedge against dust particles, but they seem to be taking forever to dry.The closed tube obviously lets no air flow, but will they dry inside aclosed vessel? Should I open either the top or the bottom to let in anair change or two, or just wait? Greg from bob@downandacross.com Fri Mar 22 20:37:56 2002 g2N2bt409527 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:37:55 -0600 22 Mar 2002 21:37:48 -0500 Subject: eBay-cool rod http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814747613 Is that cool or what? Bob from jvswan@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 20:46:56 2002 g2N2kt409903 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:46:55 -0600 (216.160.236.98) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod WOW! Very neat handle. The question that is on all our minds, though, ishow slippery is it if it gets wet while fishing? And, would your hands ache from trying to keep a good grip on it while fishing? Very pretty, though.I'd like to see the forms that did those tapers! Jason On 3/22/02 7:37 PM, "Bob Maulucci" wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814747613 Is that cool or what? Bob from Troutgetter@aol.com Fri Mar 22 20:50:42 2002 g2N2of410160 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:50:41 -0600 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:50:36 -0500 Subject: Fwd: vranish drying Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ Full-name: Troutgetter Subject: Re: vranish drying In a message dated 3/22/2002 6:26:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.net writes: Put a clean sock on thetop and on the bottom of the tube to allow it to dry What's a "clean sock"?MikeMike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ In a message dated3/22/2002 6:26:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, atlasc1@earthlink.netwrites: Put a clean sock onthetop and on the bottom of the tube to allow it to dry What's a "clean sock"?MikeMike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from bob@downandacross.com Fri Mar 22 20:51:14 2002 g2N2pD410255 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:51:13 -0600 22 Mar 2002 21:51:06 -0500 Subject: RE: eBay-cool rod You can't fish a rod like that! Are you kidding me? (Just kidding). Thatmill could do those crazy swells a lot more easily than forms could.That's for sure. (Not that it is easy in any way).Best regards,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod WOW! Very neat handle. The question that is on all our minds, though, ishow slippery is it if it gets wet while fishing? from jvswan@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 21:07:20 2002 g2N37J410874 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:07:19 -0600 (216.160.236.98) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod I guess one could always wrap the grip with bicycle handle bar tape, orsomething, right? Like red or green, or something. LOL! Jason On 3/22/02 7:50 PM, "Bob Maulucci" wrote: You can't fish a rod like that! Are you kidding me? (Just kidding). Thatmill could do those crazy swells a lot more easily than forms could.That's for sure. (Not that it is easy in any way).Best regards,Bob -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod WOW! Very neat handle. The question that is on all our minds, though, ishow slippery is it if it gets wet while fishing? from channer@frontier.net Fri Mar 22 21:17:56 2002 g2N3Hu411306 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:17:56 -0600 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:18:05 -0700 Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod Way cool, way impractical for anything other than admiring, but waycool. What I want to know is how in hell did he get the wraps likethat.Freakin shimmers and voids by the guide feet are gonna put me inthe nut house yet. I'm about ready to go to varnishing first thenfinishing out the wraps with Varathane and to blazes with the wholetransparent wrap thing. Might even use nylon while I'm at it, Naaaaaaa.john Bob Maulucci wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814747613 Is that cool or what? Bob from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Mar 22 21:19:24 2002 g2N3JN411454 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:19:23 -0600 (authenticated) Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:19:16 -0800 Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod --------------7EBCA31C19A4EE65DD4C41CA Here's another one I'd hate to have to hold on to.http://www.ronkusse.com/beaverkill.html But is sure is purty. Harry Bob Maulucci wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814747613 Is that cool or what? Bob -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- --------------7EBCA31C19A4EE65DD4C41CA Here's another one I'd hate to have to hold on to. http://www.ronkusse.com/beaverkill.htmlBut is sure is purty. Bob Maulucci wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814747613Is that cool or what?Bob-- -- Bamboo Rods -- --------------7EBCA31C19A4EE65DD4C41CA-- from bob@downandacross.com Fri Mar 22 21:48:53 2002 g2N3mq412199 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:48:52 -0600 22 Mar 2002 22:48:46 -0500 Subject: RE: eBay-cool rod Yes, Harry. Ron's new site is really excellent. Rods are beautiful (and theyare real nice fishing rods as well).Bob-----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod Here's another one I'd hate to have to hold on to.http://www.ronkusse.com/beaverkill.htmlBut is sure is purty. Harry Bob Maulucci wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814747613Is that cool or what? Bob ---- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- Ron's new site is really excellent. Rods are beautiful (and they are = fishing rods as well).Bob rodHere's another one I'd hate to have to hold on=to. http://www.ronkusse.com/= from bob@downandacross.com Fri Mar 22 22:11:03 2002 g2N4B2412836 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:11:02 -0600 22 Mar 2002 23:10:56 -0500 Subject: Diamond tool from Sherline http://www.sherline.com/7600inst.htm Bob from rextutor@yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 22:30:39 2002 g2N4Uc413328 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:30:38 - 22 Mar 2002 20:30:37 PST Subject: Re: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma rodmakers Just curious - who's that fellow doing such a fine jobof splittin bamboo ? It looks like Dennis Franz AKAAndy Sipowitz on NYPD Blue.--- Don Schneider wrote: To see Danny's pictures of the Real SouthernRodmakers GatheringGo to Todd's sitehttp://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Click on: Photo GalleriesClick on: The Real Southern RodmakersGathering - 2002 - Danny Twang Don ----- Original Message -----From: "Danny Twang" Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:38 PMSubject: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma Todd has set up some of my photos from NZ, at hissite: __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ from jojo@ipa.net Fri Mar 22 22:41:04 2002 g2N4f4413698 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:41:04 -0600 helo=default) id 16odKp-0008Uq-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:40:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma Yeah, an Andy Sipowitz with attitude. M-D Just curious - who's that fellow doing such a fine jobof splittin bamboo ? It looks like Dennis Franz AKAAndy Sipowitz on NYPD Blue. --- Don Schneider wrote: To see Danny's pictures of the Real SouthernRodmakers GatheringGo to Todd's sitehttp://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/Click on: Photo GalleriesClick on: The Real Southern RodmakersGathering - 2002 - Danny Twang Don From: "Danny Twang" Todd has set up some of my photos from NZ, at hissite: from caneman@clnk.com Fri Mar 22 23:40:10 2002 g2N5e9414776 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:40:09 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Photos from NZ PArt II- with and assist from Todd Talsma Hey... I hear that women now think of Dennis Franz as a sex symbol! LOL bob Yeah, an Andy Sipowitz with attitude. M-D From: "Rex Tutor" Just curious - who's that fellow doing such a fine jobof splittin bamboo ? It looks like Dennis Franz AKAAndy Sipowitz on NYPD Blue. from saltwein@worldnet.att.net Sat Mar 23 05:36:01 2002 g2NBa1419020 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 05:36:01 - ;Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:35:54 +0000 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod Bob, An absolutely gorgeous rod! Marvelous craftsmanship! But.............What is the point? As you said, this rod was never meant tobe fished. I feel that if the cosmetics of a rod make it unfishable then it is nodifferent than a really bad taper. I love art! I have been a tool user allof my adult life. I love beautiful tools. I just don't understand totallydecorative tools. I know there are other thoughts and perspectives on this,THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. Thoughts? Regards, SteveIndependence, MO from rmoon@ida.net Sat Mar 23 07:42:38 2002 g2NDgb420063 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:42:37 - 0000 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod Stevem It is mine as well. The disagreement between function and aesthetics is anold one, but I never saw a hammer I'd hang on a wall. Rallph THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. Thoughts? Regards, SteveIndependence, MO --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from channer@frontier.net Sat Mar 23 07:55:48 2002 g2NDtm420420 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:55:48 - for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:55:50 - Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod Steve;Yeah, as Gierach said in one of his books, I'ld trade it for a barrellfull of Grangers and a week in Montana.john Steve Trauthwein wrote: Bob, An absolutely gorgeous rod! Marvelous craftsmanship! But.............What is the point? As you said, this rod was never meant tobe fished. I feel that if the cosmetics of a rod make it unfishable then it is nodifferent than a really bad taper. I love art! I have been a tool user allof my adult life. I love beautiful tools. I just don't understand totallydecorative tools. I know there are other thoughts and perspectives on this,THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. Thoughts? Regards, SteveIndependence, MO from bob@downandacross.com Sat Mar 23 08:20:33 2002 g2NEKW421825 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:20:32 - 23 Mar 2002 09:20:26 -0500 Subject: RE: eBay-cool rod John:Unfortunately, the Grangers and Montana have gotten more expensive sincehewrote that.Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod Steve;Yeah, as Gierach said in one of his books, I'ld trade it for a barrellfull of Grangers and a week in Montana. from FlyfishT@aol.com Sat Mar 23 08:44:46 2002 g2NEij422431 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:44:45 - Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod Hi Bob, I was on Jeff Wagner's site getting a hex punch and saw his latest presentation rod -- WOW. Did you see that yet? Tom from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sat Mar 23 09:01:09 2002 g2NF19422806 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:01:09 - ([209.179.146.28] helo=computer) id 16on0w-0005c8-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:01:03 -0800 Subject: eBay-cool rod saracasm at it worse Isn't it ironic that as rodmakers we complain the rod was never meant to befished. We assume this because "WE" would never fish it. But as far as weknow there could be a hand full of wealthily folks fling away with theothers on some small trout stream laughing there heads offs because theyarecatching 6" trout with a $2500 rod. "We do not see things for how they are.We see things for how We are." It is like grandma's china that is to good to eat off of, or the gold watchthat is to nice to wear, the classic car that is towed instead of driven,the custom knife that sits in a display case, the rare firearm that issitting in a safe, or even closer to home the towels in the bathroom thatwe can not use! Some things people enjoy just by possessing it and using it is not thepoint. The thing is when a rodmakers dies often his rods are put away to becherished. Maybe a recall program is needed to buy back all the rods that are not beingused so we can use them until they are no longer usable. We then will burnthem in a ceremonial bon fire and return them to mother earth. In thisway we can guarantee the rods we and others have made will be used to theirfullest potential.Because it would be wrong to have it just because it isnice to look at. Adam Vigil from bob@downandacross.com Sat Mar 23 09:20:40 2002 g2NFKd423220 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:20:39 - Subject: RE: eBay-cool rod HI Tom:Yes, that quad is just breathtaking. My favorite of those series is the 1999one with the swelled butt and ebony. That is one of my favorite looking rodsever. My favorite is the Kosmic rod in "Land of Little Rivers" with thelight slide band seat with the NS rails (p 146). Don Schroeder's MilleniumRod looks quite a bit like the Kosmic and is equally as pretty. Love thativroid seat. (Or whatever is is). Let us not forget, all the gun engraving and dead animal ferrule plugs inthe world do not cover up bad cane work. I'll buy a whole Wooly MammothwhenI can produce blanks that will live up to its adornment. And it better castlike a dream or it is going in the wood pile, tusks and all! That's not ashot at anyone, just an observation that we are easily distracted from therod by the unnecessary, aesthetic embelishments. Best regards,Bob -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod Hi Bob, I was on Jeff Wagner's site getting a hex punch and saw his latestpresentation rod -- WOW. Did you see that yet? Tom from HARRISTRIBE@aol.com Sat Mar 23 09:28:16 2002 g2NFSF423512 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:28:15 - Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Wow! It's such a small world. I just met Cliff W. (the fellow selling the Jus Swell) this last weekend through a mutual acquaintance, Gary Walsh. The three of us shared a guide on Lees Ferry and a room at the Cliff Dwellers Lodge. We also spent a night at his cabin in Flagstaff. Most of the time we were talking rods. We talked about this very rod and I told him that some time I really would like to see it. Cliff says its the seventh of eight jus swell rods made and that he purchased it directly from T&T. I'm not too surprised to see it on ebay. Cliff was paraphrasing what you all are saying about practicality. I think he feels like reducing his impressive collection in favor of a wider range of practical fishing tools. I guess if I'm going to see it first hand I better get across town and do it. JimH W. (the fellow selling the Jus Swell) this last weekend through a mutual We talked about this very rod and I told him that some time I really would like JimH from rextutor@yahoo.com Sat Mar 23 09:48:17 2002 g2NFmG423978 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:48:16 - 23 Mar 2002 07:48:16 PST Subject: Rod Maker History, who is Gary H.Howell Saw this 7 1/2 ft 3/2 rod on ebay (#1813799720 ) byHowell. The current bid is as much as I paid for myold Ford Bronco and hsa not met reserve yet. So whowas Gary Howell? Who was his mentor / teacher ? Wherewas / is he located ? When did he build rods ? I haveseen his rods before, going for more than many of theother classic rod makers. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ from richjez@enteract.com Sat Mar 23 09:49:31 2002 g2NFnV424164 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:49:31 - for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:49:30 - Subject: Nonrodmaking computer help McAfee's PGP firewall just trashed my computer. A $29 phone call finally got it straightened out. There was a shareware firewall program that was mentioned a while ago.Does anyone remember its name? Maybe its website too. Thanks Rich Jezioro from rodsupstream@exploremaine.com Sat Mar 23 10:03:30 2002 g2NG3T424752 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:03:29 - Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:03:28 -0500 Subject: RE: Nonrodmaking computer help I Think you are referring to Zone Alarm, www.zonealarm.com hope this helps. Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRod MakerUpstream Custom Rods -----Original Message----- Subject: Nonrodmaking computer help McAfee's PGP firewall just trashed my computer. A $29 phone call finallygot it straightened out. There was a shareware firewall program that was mentioned a while ago.Doesanyone remember its name? Maybe its website too. Thanks Rich Jezioro from caneman@clnk.com Sat Mar 23 10:34:49 2002 g2NGYm425429 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:34:48 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Subject: Re: Rod Maker History, who is Gary H.Howell Rex,Gary Howells started out making rods in San Francisco a few decades ago.Now Tom Morgan will probably know the history on Gary more than anyoneelseon the list because of his long association with him, but I believe Garywent to work for Winston while they were still in San Francisco. I'm notsure if he moved along with them to Montana or not, but he was the canerodmaker for Winston for many years, and may have even had someownership inthe company, but again, I'm not sure about that. Maybe someone else canclarify.After leaving Winston, Gary continued to make rods in his Californiashop until not long before his about a year and a half ago. He was a finegentleman and in the opinion of many, a great rodmaker. His finishes wereamong the finest you will ever see on a rod, and his rods cast like a dream.He restricted his output to 75 rods a year, still had his mother sew his rodbags for him, made his own hardware, etc. He is thought of as one of theModern Masters.That's really about all I know, but there have been many articleswritten about Gary, and if we can get Tom to chime in, I'm sure he has lotmore knowledge of Gary Howells rodmaking career than most anyone else. Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message ----- Subject: Rod Maker History, who is Gary H.Howell Saw this 7 1/2 ft 3/2 rod on ebay (#1813799720 ) byHowell. The current bid is as much as I paid for myold Ford Bronco and hsa not met reserve yet. So whowas Gary Howell? Who was his mentor / teacher ? Wherewas / is he located ? When did he build rods ? I haveseen his rods before, going for more than many of theother classic rod makers. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awardshttp://movies.yahoo.com/ from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Sat Mar 23 10:40:42 2002 g2NGef425745 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:40:41 - helo=excalibur.ix.netcom.com) id 16ooZG-0006az-00; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:40:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Nonrodmaking computer help --=======29435D4A======= ascii; format=flowed Hi. I've been reading about firewalls for the past few days. There is two free firewalls that have had good reviews. These are ZoneAlarm and Tiny Personal Firewall. Both can be downloaded from CNET atwww.downloads.com. Just search for each with the setting "in downloads". Read the reviews on each. You may prefer one over the other. Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com At 09:50 AM 3/23/02 -0600, Rich Jezioro wrote: McAfee's PGP firewall just trashed my computer. A $29 phone call finally got it straightened out. There was a shareware firewall program that was mentioned a while ago. Does anyone remember its name? Maybe its website too. Thanks Rich Jezioro ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02 --=======29435D4A======= ok-5ADD61B5 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02 --=======29435D4A=======-- from stuart.rod@gmx.de Sat Mar 23 11:03:16 2002 g2NH3F426269 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:03:15 - (149.225.123.45) Subject: Epifanes Dip Hi everybody, Is there anybody on the list dipping their rods in Epifanes sparvarnish? I have tried brushing (foam) and a drip tube system and thoseworked o.k but have just installed a fantastic dip tube setup aftermoving to a place with enough headroom in the attic.The question is (asever) what % are you thinning the varnish? I tried 20% and 5% in thedrip tube and brush methods. I am heating the varnish to about 25ŸC (ŸF ?), perhaps I don't need tothin it down at all, any experiences with a dip tube and Epifanes wouldhelp. Also if I keep the varnish at a constant temperatur (25ŸC) in thedip tube will I have to mix the varnish before every use or will theheat keep it moving in the tube so that it doesn't settle. Thanks Stuart from Troutgetter@aol.com Sat Mar 23 11:12:13 2002 g2NHCC426648 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:12:12 -0600 Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod saracasm at it worse Adam,The thoughts you wrote may have been intended as sarcasm BUT, I believeyou are dead on! While a maker actually MAY have built a rod to never be fished, I'll bet the taper will still cast a line and catch a fish. My offspring will probably never fish any of my rods when I finally croak but, I would appreciate them making them available to whoever might want to fish them. I and probably all of you have never made a rod that wasn't meant to befished. When they might not any longer be fishable I would like to see my rods be offered back up in honor of the folks whose tapers I used and loved and provided me with enjoyment and a little extra cash! The things we make areto be used, not stashed in some dark closet and listed on your insurance inventory in case of fire or theft.Oh oh, I'm rambling ... sorry! I need another beer!Mike Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from robertgkope@attbi.com Sat Mar 23 12:07:34 2002 g2NI7Y427724 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:07:34 -0600 Subject: melting point of nylon Does anybody know for sure how high you can safely heat strips bound =with Nylon? I straightened and rough planed some wet strips yesterday =and bound them with Nylon to keep them under tension while they dry. =This morning I stuck them in my oven to speed the drying. I just took a look on the web for technical specs on Nylon to see if I =could find information on how high I could expect to take the =temperature, and found a site selling ropes that says Nylon has a =melting point of 480 degrees F with progress loss of strength above 300 =degrees F. This would suggest that you could safely heat strips bound =with Nylon to at least 250 degrees and drive off virtually all the =moisture. I know people have reported making a mess with Nylon in heat =treating ovens, but the technical information I found suggests that you =should even be able to heat treat with Nylon thread. -- Robert Kope Does anybody know for sure how highyou = strips yesterday and bound them with Nylon to keep them under tension = drying. I just took a look on the web for = on Nylon to see if I could find information on how high I could expect = the temperature, and found a site selling ropes that says Nylon has a = point of 480 degrees F with progress loss of strength above 300 degrees = This would suggest that you could safely heat strips bound with Nylon to = have reported making a mess with Nylon in heat treating ovens, but the = information I found suggests that you should even be able to heat treat = Nylon thread. -- Robert =Kope from thardy@blarg.net Sat Mar 23 12:21:14 2002 g2NILD428210 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:21:13 - for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:21:12 - for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:21:08 -0800User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook- Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: FW: melting point of nylon understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ---------- Subject: Re: melting point of nylon I wouldn't do it. I glue with mono, but like most folks heat only withcotton. Subject: melting point of nylon Does anybody know for sure how high you can safely heat strips bound withNylon? FW: melting point of nylon ---------- Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:18:17 +0000 Subject: Re: melting point of nylon I wouldn't do it. I glue with mono, but like most folks heat on=ly with cotton. From: "Robert Kope" Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:12:41 -0800 Subject: melting point of nylon Does anybodyknow for sure h=ow high you can safely heat strips bound with Nylon? from goodaple@cox-internet.com Sat Mar 23 13:31:42 2002 g2NJVf429496 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:31:41 -0600 (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license180e1de7f543f89455b24e508f9cca39) Subject: Howells Rod on Ebay Interesting how Howell over-wrapped the female ferrule(all the way to =the welt) on that rod. It seems that would add alot of unnecessary =weight to the midpoint of the rod. Anyone else do this? Just curious. =Randall R. Gregory Interesting how Howell over-wrappedthe = of unnecessary weight to the midpoint of the rod. Anyone else do this? = from cw@vanion.com Sat Mar 23 14:07:20 2002 g2NK7J400284 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:07:19 - for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:12:17 - Subject: Gary Howells from Dick Spurr's "Classic Bamboo Rodmakers" Gary was already a noted =amateur rodmaker, fly tyer, and fisherman in Calif. when he joined R L =Winston in 1957. Under the tutelage of Doug Merrick, Howells developed =rapidly into one of the premier rodmakers in America. Gary left Winston =in 1969, formed his own company in Richmond Calif. He aquaired a milling =machine from Al Talbott. Garys rods reflect his own concepts, yet meld =traditions of East and West. They combine the silicon bronze ferrules =and lightweight technology of hollowbuilt butt sections he learned from =Winston with the elagance and finish of rods of the Catskills tradition = from the shop of Jim Payne.His rods numbered beginning with his age at the time of his first rod, =37, in 1970, followed by the consecutive number of each rod made that = I had the pleasure of owning a Howells 7 1/2ft 4wt, and it was Very =fine. The wraps over the ferrules is a Winston trademark. Don't know =that it would be of any weight consequence.They are now, like the ebay rod, not to be fished?? from Dick Spurr's "Classic = fisherman in Calif. when he joined R L Winston in 1957. Under the = Doug Merrick, Howells developed rapidly into one of the premier = America. Gary left Winston in 1969, formed his own company in Richmond = aquaired a milling machine from Al Talbott. Garys rods reflect his own = yet meld traditions of East and West. They combine the silicon bronze = and lightweight technology of hollowbuilt butt sections he learned from = with the elagance and finish of rods of the Catskills tradition from the = Jim Payne. beginning = at the time of his first rod, 37, in 1970, followed by the consecutive = each rod made that year-thus the serial #3909 is the 9th rod built when = 39 in 1972. a = 1/2ft 4wt, and it was Very fine. The wraps over the ferrules is a = trademark. Don't know that it would be of any weight =consequence. the = not to be fished?? from lkoeser@ceva.net Sat Mar 23 14:32:15 2002 g2NKWE401093 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:32:15 - Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:16:34 -0500 "Rodmakers" Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod I use shrink wrap to protect the cork grip just in case somebody would wantto buy the rod I am testing (?). I've tested at least one of them forseveral hours without developing any pain. The wrap can't be much lessslippery than the T&T grip.Lee from lkoeser@ceva.net Sat Mar 23 14:34:44 2002 g2NKYh401334 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:34:43 - Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:19:05 -0500 Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod What with the cost and scarcity of quality cork, the use of species wood =may be a viable alternative.Lee What with the cost and scarcityof = the use of species wood may be a viable alternative.Lee from dnorl@qwest.net Sat Mar 23 16:06:39 2002 g2NM6c403094 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:06:38 - 0000 (63.228.45.68) Subject: Rod ID Can anyone tell me who made a J.A. Henshall Streamline (marked with a =decal on the shaft of butt section) for Weber Life like Fly Company of =Stevens point Wisconsin (marked on reel seat)? Dave Norling Can anyone tell me who made aJ.A. = Streamline (marked with a decal on the shaft of butt section) for Weber = like Fly Company of Stevens point Wisconsin (marked on reel =seat)? Dave =Norling from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Mar 23 18:17:57 2002 g2O0Hu405164 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:17:56 - "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: Re: eBay-cool rod saracasm at it worse I agree. If I owned a Porche I'd bash it. [:-)] TY At 07:01 AM 3/23/02 -0800, Adam Vigil wrote: Isn't it ironic that as rodmakers we complain the rod was never meant tobefished. We assume this because "WE" would never fish it. But as far as weknow there could be a hand full of wealthily folks fling away with theothers on some small trout stream laughing there heads offs because theyarecatching 6" trout with a $2500 rod. "We do not see things for how they are.We see things for how We are." It is like grandma's china that is to good to eat off of, or the gold watchthat is to nice to wear, the classic car that is towed instead of driven,the custom knife that sits in a display case, the rare firearm that issitting in a safe, or even closer to home the towels in the bathroom thatwe can not use! Some things people enjoy just by possessing it and using it is not thepoint. The thing is when a rodmakers dies often his rods are put away to becherished. Maybe a recall program is needed to buy back all the rods that are not beingused so we can use them until they are no longer usable. We then will burnthem in a ceremonial bon fire and return them to mother earth. In thisway we can guarantee the rods we and others have made will be used totheirfullest potential.Because it would be wrong to have it just because it isnice to look at. Adam Vigil /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from parataper@hotmail.com Sat Mar 23 19:02:28 2002 g2O12R406011 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:02:27 - Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:02:18 -0800 Sun, 24 Mar 2002 01:02:18 GMT FILETIME=[8B9F4A20:01C1D2CF] Can someone with lots of silk line knowlwdge contact me off list, Thanks, MPSend and receive Hotmailon your mobile device: ClickHere from caneman@clnk.com Sat Mar 23 20:35:31 2002 g2O2ZU407345 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:35:30 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35)