Subject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language There are some days I can grab a blank sight down it heat it, tweek it, bangall done, no swearing. Some days I look down it and have no idea of what totweek, heat it, tweek it anyway, and its worse than when I started.Recognizing those days is the key so on those days I plane, or split, makeferrules and hardware, just sit around and drink beer ... something thatdoesn't require every fiber of my patience.I have to give credit to those who do this full-time. There are times whenI don't have the required patience, and when I touch stuff on those days, 9out of 10 times I regret it. Its in those times that I have destroyedperfectly good rods/blanks. Tom ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language I scrape the blank and then straighten prior to sanding. First I take outthe twists from the butt to the tip, then I mark the butt end of the section with an 'A','B' & 'C' on adjacent flats. I then straighten them from thebutt to the tip in order. After that I let the section cool as I am doingthe usually other 3 sections. Following the cooling off period(usually theblank but sometimes....)I straighten the blank again to take out any kinksthat were reintroduced or simply popped back due to insufficient heat. Done! Sometimes 5 min, sometimes 45 but usually 10 or 20 min will do it. If asection becomes too trying I will put it down and go on to the next. Sincewithdrawing from society to become a rodmaker i find I use the more colorful invectives in the english language only rarely. At that only a 'bloody damn thing' once in a while.A.J. From: Robert Venneri Subject: Straightening techniquesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:46:43 -0800 Hey GuysDoes anybody have any nice Straightening techniques to help withstraightening the blanks after it is sanded. I was a sheet metal mech benching it flat but I am having a hard time getting the blanksstraight. Any help would be appreciated Best RegardsBob V _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.http://www.hotmail.com from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Mar 15 08:16:41 2002 g2FEGe829921 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:16:40 -0600 Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Bob,that's not entirely true. As I wrote just before I have a PVC tube with canvas covering and leather caps, the top one being adjusted by a leather belt and a leather sling sort of like a rifle sling. It looks very nice as anybody who'd seen it would agree judging by the comments it got. It's made several trips around the place, no dents and the canvas and leather get scuffed a bit and that adds to it's look IMHO in that Porche bashing sort of way. Tony At 03:11 AM 3/15/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Allen,Thanks for posting that... and my apologies to anyone on the list thatis offended by my response, but I just never understood why someone wouldmake a thousand dollar (or, in some cases much, much more) rod and put itina damn piece of plumbing pipe! I pay about 15 each for my rod tubes, whenit's all said and done, shipping and all, and they beat the hell out ofanything you can make out of PVC. Just can't imagine the reaction of oneofmy sports if I say "Oh yeah. Sending your $1400 rod out tomorrow. By theway, forget the aluminum tube, I can save Three Bucks by giving you a pieceof plastic pipe instead!!!" Might as well say, "Hey, your Mercedes is onthe way, but we're putting it in a Volkswagon body instead!" Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Allen Thramer" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:11 AMSubject: Re: Rod Tubes PVC rod tubes? Ah.., even for my admitedly utilitarian proclivities I think that this is going too far! Are we going to see PVC dual ring reel seats(hopefully with a tasteful rope knurl) next? The Cortland people are verynice to deal with, it is easy to set up a rodbuilder account, and they have a low minimum order of only $50. A 7ft 2pc tube with a nice domedaluminumcap and collar is only about $9 or 10 dollars and an 8ft tube is only$10.50. Knock the top off and cut to fit, doesn't even need glue!A.J. From: "William R. Fink" Subject: Rod TubesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:41:42 -0500 To The ListNothing could get ever me to deviate from traditional rod practicesincluding tubes and cases.By-the-way, does anyone have a means of removing the manufaturer'sunsightly marking from my PVC tomato stakes?Thanks. Bill _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from rcurry@ttlc.net Fri Mar 15 08:22:26 2002 g2FEMQ800834 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:22:26 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Rod Makers List Serve Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Barry, I always carry an old blanket in my car. This gets thrown over any fishing tackle that doesn't fit in the "trunk". Also, beware of buying vanity plates like "CANEROD".:) These are justan billboard to thieves. I knew one fellow with the license plate "DRYFLY" that had his car broken into twice, when others were not hit.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- > from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Fri Mar 15 08:28:06 2002 Received: from g2FES6801218 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN If I'mtraveling in my own car (station wagon), I have a flat plywood box withdividers and some foam padding. It holds 4 rods with reels attached, ready togo. ...................................................................... Frank Stetzer "...acheerful comrade is better stetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and aEmployed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke, Univ ofWisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. >Fromtedknott@cogeco.ca Fri Mar 15 08:49:47 2002 Received: from From: "Ted" "Rod Makers List Serve" References: Subject: Re: Rod Tubes 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I took a good look at one ofmy rod cases from a well-known "plastic" rod maker. The tube is thin-walledpipe of the sort used for central vacumn systems, covered with fabric insideand out. > from dnorl@qwest.net Fri Mar 15 08:53:43 2002 Received: from g2FErg802881 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 Mar 2002 12:20:06 -0000 Received: frommplsdslgw11poold195.mpls.uswest.net (HELO computer) (63.228.47.195) by Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:21:25 -0600 Message-ID:From: "Dave Norling" 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is a multi-part message printable Check out the rod cases made by Lisa Bardole. A small cottageindustry = in Libby Montana. PVC tube covered with cordura and trimmedwith = leather. Cloth covered interior has separate compartments for therod = sections. Has leather reel cases to match.I'll send a picture off list. =Check out www.aladysangle.com prices are right. No Finacial interest etc. printable Check out the rod cases made by Lisa = g2FEuW803168 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 Mar 2002 14:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ida.net) 07:56:33 -0700 From: "Ralph W. Moon" X-Mailer: Mozilla Dennishigham@cs.com CC: caneman@clnk.com,RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: national gathering References: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Dennis I call those myHolstein Rods. I find that if they are painted with india ink then varnished,they are a real conversation piece. Ralph Dennishigham@cs.com wrote: Bob, Aukland for 4 hours were you?????? *S* Not me:-} I'm on vacation.Last week I split out two rods, node spaced,trimmed to length and did about 100 nodes and popped them in the oven.Flipped end for end half way thru and pulled them out to find the middle ofeach section a beautiful milk choclate brown. Unfortunately they wereblonderods....now they're a bunch of burned up kindling waiting for the next fire.Bad time for my oven strip heaters to go bad. I think I may have inventedsome new cuss words, good thing no one else was home...I did find the doghiding under the bed though :-} Dennis --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from canazon@mindspring.com Fri Mar 15 09:43:42 2002 g2FFhf805448 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:43:41 -0600 helo=oemcomputer) id 16ltrf-0005eK-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:43:32 -0500 Subject: taper database list,i just downloaded the taper database program. my emails to joe byrd =were returned as undeliverable. has anyone else had this problem? joe, =if you're out there, beam me up.mike list, database program. my emails to joe byrd were returned as undeliverable. = anyone else had this problem? joe, if you're out there, beam me =up. mike from saltwein@worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 15 10:09:56 2002 g2FG9u809997 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:09:56 -0600 ;Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:09:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Ok Bob, tell us how you really feel.----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Allen,Thanks for posting that... and my apologies to anyone on the list thatis offended by my response, but I just never understood why someonewouldmake a thousand dollar (or, in some cases much, much more) rod and put it in a damn piece of plumbing pipe! I pay about 15 each for my rod tubes, whenit's all said and done, shipping and all, and they beat the hell out ofanything you can make out of PVC. Just can't imagine the reaction of one of my sports if I say "Oh yeah. Sending your $1400 rod out tomorrow. Bytheway, forget the aluminum tube, I can save Three Bucks by giving you a piece of plastic pipe instead!!!" Might as well say, "Hey, your Mercedes is onthe way, but we're putting it in a Volkswagon body instead!" Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Allen Thramer" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:11 AMSubject: Re: Rod Tubes PVC rod tubes? Ah.., even for my admitedly utilitarian proclivities I think that this is going too far! Are we going to see PVC dual ring reel seats(hopefully with a tasteful rope knurl) next? The Cortland people are very nice to deal with, it is easy to set up a rodbuilder account, and they have a low minimum order of only $50. A 7ft 2pc tube with a nice domed aluminum cap and collar is only about $9 or 10 dollars and an 8ft tube is only$10.50. Knock the top off and cut to fit, doesn't even need glue!A.J. From: "William R. Fink" Subject: Rod TubesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:41:42 -0500 To The ListNothing could get ever me to deviate from traditional rod practicesincluding tubes and cases.By-the-way, does anyone have a means of removing the manufaturer'sunsightly marking from my PVC tomato stakes?Thanks. Bill _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from rsgould@cmc.net Fri Mar 15 10:12:44 2002 g2FGCh810761 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:12:44 - Subject: Re: national gathering Info from Ralph Moon - please note it's only the rod building (a class of 8)that starts Monday as I understand it.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: national gathering RayReally ? Monday ? all the adds say the 8th ? Where didyou get that info ?TIA--- Ray Gould wrote: Starts Monday Aug 5 with rod building.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Darin J Law" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:57 PMSubject: national gathering When is the gathering in Livingston? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Fri Mar 15 10:20:37 2002 g2FGKa812680 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:20:36 -0600 pri.pacificare.com 2002 16:24:48 UT (Tumbleweed ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:19:59 -0800 Subject: RE: Rod Tubes Rod storage - I make a lot more rods than I have tubes for. Pvc is great forsomething to put the rods in and when I toss them in the closet. A markingpen to label what's inside and I don't have to open a dozen tubes loking fora rod.One of my favorite rods for small mountain streams (the kind that are miles from the nearest road) is a 5ft one piece. I made a pvc rod tube 5 feet longcut into three pieces and threaded. While hiking out and back I use the tubeas a hiking staff. When I get to the stream and start fishing I take thetube apart and stow it in my backpack. No 5 foot long tube clanking aroundwhile I try to fish. I have yet to see an aluminum tube I can do that with.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:23 AM Cc: Rod Makers List ServeSubject: Re: Rod Tubes Bob,that's not entirely true. As I wrote just before I have a PVC tube with canvas covering and leather caps, the top one being adjusted by a leather belt and a leather sling sort of like a rifle sling. It looks very nice as anybody who'd seen it would agree judging by the comments it got. It'smade several trips around the place, no dents and the canvas and leather get scuffed a bit and that adds to it's look IMHO in that Porche bashing sort of way. Tony At 03:11 AM 3/15/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Allen,Thanks for posting that... and my apologies to anyone on the list that is offended by my response, but I just never understood why someonewouldmake a thousand dollar (or, in some cases much, much more) rod and putit in a damn piece of plumbing pipe! I pay about 15 each for my rod tubes, when it's all said and done, shipping and all, and they beat the hell out ofanything you can make out of PVC. Just can't imagine the reaction of one of my sports if I say "Oh yeah. Sending your $1400 rod out tomorrow. By the way, forget the aluminum tube, I can save Three Bucks by giving you a piece of plastic pipe instead!!!" Might as well say, "Hey, your Mercedes is on the way, but we're putting it in a Volkswagon body instead!" Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Allen Thramer" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:11 AMSubject: Re: Rod Tubes PVC rod tubes? Ah.., even for my admitedly utilitarian proclivities I think that this is going too far! Are we going to see PVC dual ring reel seats (hopefully with a tasteful rope knurl) next? The Cortland people are very nice to deal with, it is easy to set up a rodbuilder account, and they have a low minimum order of only $50. A 7ft 2pc tube with a nice domed aluminum cap and collar is only about $9 or 10 dollars and an 8ft tube is only$10.50. Knock the top off and cut to fit, doesn't even need glue!A.J. From: "William R. Fink" Subject: Rod TubesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:41:42 -0500 To The ListNothing could get ever me to deviate from traditional rod practices including tubes and cases.By-the-way, does anyone have a means of removing themanufaturer'sunsightly marking from my PVC tomato stakes?Thanks. Bill _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from jvswan@earthlink.net Fri Mar 15 10:30:40 2002 g2FGUd815201 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:30:40 -0600 (216.160.236.98) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108Subject: Re: Straightening techniques I don't know if I have heard of this before, but if heat is the key tostraightening the blanks, has anyone tried hanging weights from one end ofthe blank and then heat setting the sticks after gluing? This, of course,would only work if your oven is of the vertical variety. But heating thestrips with some weight on the end might gently encourage the sets to leave.Heck, worked with the vertical blinds in my living room! I suppose it would be a great idea to do so during heat treating, but by thetime of glue up there will likely be another set or two. Will this add toomuch heat? Jason from dybam@oct.net Fri Mar 15 10:35:48 2002 g2FGZm816528 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:35:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Communications, Inc. I let the epon setup for 2 hours or so and then hang a 1/2 lb. weight fromthe butt end. I hang the rod in a 4" pvc tube with a 100 watt bulb at thebottom. The weight seems to help it straighten.Mark----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Bob,The very best way to ensure that your rods are straight is to use an epoxy glue. The epoxy will give you all the time you need to just about get therod perfect before the rod sets up. I use Epon because it's easy to use but Nyatex also will give you all the time you'll need to get the blankstraight. Actually Nyatex will give you even more time then the Eponalthough Epon will give you a couple of hours working time which should beplenty. With Epon you don't have to rebind or heat cure (some guys don't)and the straightening is easier then with Nyatex. I used Urac for the first dozen rods I made and it was pure hell. Since changing to Epon I feel like I died and went to heaven. As to the straightening of the blank, I use atoaster for heat and a 4 ft rule and my wrist watch for a sense of timing to straighten the blank. It's slightly slower but after ruining a blank with a heat gun I like the toaster much better. Cussin does help. Jim From: Robert Venneri Subject: Straightening techniquesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:46:43 -0800 Hey GuysDoes anybody have any nice Straightening techniques to help withstraightening the blanks after it is sanded. I was a sheet metal mech benching it flat but I am having a hard time getting the blanksstraight. Any help would be appreciated Best RegardsBob V _________________________________________________________________Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Fri Mar 15 10:40:17 2002 g2FGeG817746 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:40:16 -0600 Subject: RE: Rod Tubes Organization: Wethersfield Public Schools Cortland offers a tube extension. Peter -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Rod Tubes Rod storage - I make a lot more rods than I have tubes for. Pvc is great marking pen to label what's inside and I don't have to open a dozentubes loking for a rod. One of my favorite rods for small mountainstreams (the kind that are miles from the nearest road) is a 5ft onepiece. I made a pvc rod tube 5 feet long cut into three pieces andthreaded. While hiking out and back I use the tube as a hiking staff.When I get to the stream and start fishing I take the tube apart andstow it in my backpack. No 5 foot long tube clanking around while I tryto fish. I have yet to see an aluminum tube I can do that with. DarrylHayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:23 AM Cc: Rod Makers List ServeSubject: Re: Rod Tubes Bob,that's not entirely true. As I wrote just before I have a PVC tube withcanvas covering and leather caps, the top one being adjusted by a leather belt and a leather sling sort of like a rifle sling. It looks very nice as anybody who'd seen it would agree judging by the comments it got. It's made several trips around the place, no dents and the canvas and leather get scuffed a bit and that adds to it's look IMHO in that Porche bashing sort of way. Tony At 03:11 AM 3/15/02 -0600, Bob Nunley wrote: Allen,Thanks for posting that... and my apologies to anyone on the list that is offended by my response, but I just never understood why someone would make a thousand dollar (or, in some cases much, much more) rod and put it in a damn piece of plumbing pipe! I pay about 15 each for my rod tubes, when it's all said and done, shipping and all, and they beat the hell out of anything you can make out of PVC. Just can't imagine the reaction of one of my sports if I say "Oh yeah. Sending your $1400 rod out tomorrow. By the way, forget the aluminum tube, I can save Three Bucks by giving you a piece of plastic pipe instead!!!" Might as well say, "Hey, your Mercedes is on the way, but we're putting it in a Volkswagon body instead!" Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Allen Thramer" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:11 AMSubject: Re: Rod Tubes PVC rod tubes? Ah.., even for my admitedly utilitarian proclivities I think that this is going too far! Are we going to see PVC dual ring reel seats (hopefully with a tasteful rope knurl) next? The Cortland people are very nice to deal with, it is easy to set up a rodbuilder account, and they have a low minimum order of only $50. A 7ft 2pc tube with a nice domed aluminum cap and collar is only about $9 or 10 dollars and an 8ft tube is only $10.50. Knock the top off and cut to fit, doesn't even need glue! A.J. From: "William R. Fink" Subject: Rod TubesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:41:42 -0500 To The ListNothing could get ever me to deviate from traditional rod practices including tubes and cases.By-the-way, does anyone have a means of removing the manufaturer's unsightly marking from my PVC tomato stakes?Thanks. Bill _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ This electronic message transmission, including any attachments,contains information from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may beconfidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for theuse of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intendedrecipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use ofthe contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, pleasenotify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message anddestroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, includingattachments. from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Fri Mar 15 10:40:20 2002 g2FGeJ817763 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:40:19 -0600 pri.pacificare.com 2002 16:44:31 UT (Tumbleweed ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:39:46 -0800 Subject: RE: Straightening techniques & colorful language I use a clothes iron and my planing form. Open your planing form wide enoughso that the blank sits in it, rotate it flat by flat. It will be evidentwhere it needs to be straightened. The clothes iron provides heat (Iactually steam the blank) and a flat surface to press down on the blank.After you have done this for a few minutes your planing form heats up also,giving you even heat all around the blank. Some of the more stubborn bendsmight need a little reverse bending, but that is easy to do by putting yourfinger on the top of the bend and lifting the end of the blank (blank stillin the form of course).P.S. let your planing form sit for a while before trying to pick it up whenyou are done. It will be hot.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:16 AM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language There are some days I can grab a blank sight down it heat it, tweek it,bangall done, no swearing. Some days I look down it and have no idea of whattotweek, heat it, tweek it anyway, and its worse than when I started.Recognizing those days is the key so on those days I plane, or split, makeferrules and hardware, just sit around and drink beer ... something thatdoesn't require every fiber of my patience.I have to give credit to those who do this full-time. There are timeswhenI don't have the required patience, and when I touch stuff on those days,9out of 10 times I regret it. Its in those times that I have destroyedperfectly good rods/blanks. Tom ----- Original Message -----From: Allen Thramer Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:00 AMSubject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language I scrape the blank and then straighten prior to sanding. First I take out the twists from the butt to the tip, then I mark the butt end of the section with an 'A','B' & 'C' on adjacent flats. I then straighten them from thebutt to the tip in order. After that I let the section cool as I am doing the usually other 3 sections. Following the cooling off period(usually the blank but sometimes....)I straighten the blank again to take out any kinks that were reintroduced or simply popped back due to insufficient heat. Done! Sometimes 5 min, sometimes 45 but usually 10 or 20 min will do it. If asection becomes too trying I will put it down and go on to the next. Since withdrawing from society to become a rodmaker i find I use the more colorful invectives in the english language only rarely. At that only a 'bloody damn thing' once in a while.A.J. From: Robert Venneri Subject: Straightening techniquesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:46:43 -0800 Hey GuysDoes anybody have any nice Straightening techniques to help withstraightening the blanks after it is sanded. I was a sheet metal mech benching it flat but I am having a hard time getting the blanksstraight. Any help would be appreciated Best RegardsBob V _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.http://www.hotmail.com This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individualor entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware thatany disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of thisinformation is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify thesender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. from baconrod@gsmrinc.com Fri Mar 15 10:49:52 2002 g2FGnp820261 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:49:51 -0600 0000 Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Rodmakers.The below method is my way of straightening rod sections. I use a wrappersimular to the Leonard wrapper. I take out all the twists and them put theglued blank inside a braided polypro sleeve, then I place the sleeve on astretching unit that holds the sleeve under 35# tention. The unit is placedin a oven and cured. After removing the sleeve and string I don't straightenagain.Best Hal. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Straightening techniques I don't know if I have heard of this before, but if heat is the key tostraightening the blanks, has anyone tried hanging weights from one end ofthe blank and then heat setting the sticks after gluing? This, of course,would only work if your oven is of the vertical variety. But heating thestrips with some weight on the end might gently encourage the sets to leave. Heck, worked with the vertical blinds in my living room! I suppose it would be a great idea to do so during heat treating, but by the time of glue up there will likely be another set or two. Will this add too much heat? Jason from Darryl.Hayashida@phs.com Fri Mar 15 11:01:22 2002 g2FH1L822905 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:01:22 -0600 pri.pacificare.com 2002 17:05:33 UT (Tumbleweed ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:00:49 -0800 Subject: RE: Straightening techniques & colorful language I forgot to mention this technique also makes it evident where your twistsare also. Those are taken out in the same manner as stubborn bends - heatitwith the clothes iron, put your finger on the end of the twist, pick up theend of the blank and twist in the reverse direction.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: RE: Straightening techniques & colorful language I use a clothes iron and my planing form. Open your planing form wideenoughso that the blank sits in it, rotate it flat by flat. It will be evidentwhere it needs to be straightened. The clothes iron provides heat (Iactually steam the blank) and a flat surface to press down on the blank.After you have done this for a few minutes your planing form heats upalso,giving you even heat all around the blank. Some of the more stubbornbendsmight need a little reverse bending, but that is easy to do by puttingyourfinger on the top of the bend and lifting the end of the blank (blankstillin the form of course).P.S. let your planing form sit for a while before trying to pick it upwhenyou are done. It will be hot.Darryl Hayashida -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:16 AM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language There are some days I can grab a blank sight down it heat it, tweek it,bangall done, no swearing. Some days I look down it and have no idea of what totweek, heat it, tweek it anyway, and its worse than when I started.Recognizing those days is the key so on those days I plane, or split, make ferrules and hardware, just sit around and drink beer ... something thatdoesn't require every fiber of my patience.I have to give credit to those who do this full-time. There are timeswhenI don't have the required patience, and when I touch stuff on those days, 9out of 10 times I regret it. Its in those times that I have destroyedperfectly good rods/blanks. Tom ----- Original Message -----From: Allen Thramer Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:00 AMSubject: Re: Straightening techniques & colorful language I scrape the blank and then straighten prior to sanding. First I take out the twists from the butt to the tip, then I mark the butt end of the section with an 'A','B' & 'C' on adjacent flats. I then straighten them from the butt to the tip in order. After that I let the section cool as I am doing the usually other 3 sections. Following the cooling off period(usually the blank but sometimes....)I straighten the blank again to take out any kinks that were reintroduced or simply popped back due to insufficient heat. Done! Sometimes 5 min, sometimes 45 but usually 10 or 20 min will do it. If a section becomes too trying I will put it down and go on to the next. Since withdrawing from society to become a rodmaker i find I use the more colorful invectives in the english language only rarely. At that only a 'bloody damn thing' once in a while.A.J. From: Robert Venneri Subject: Straightening techniquesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:46:43 -0800 Hey GuysDoes anybody have any nice Straightening techniques to help withstraightening the blanks after it is sanded. I was a sheet metal mech and benching it flat but I am having a hard time getting the blanksstraight. Any help would be appreciated Best RegardsBob V _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.http://www.hotmail.com This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of theindividual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient,be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contentsof this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notifythe sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy allelectronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, containsinformation from PacifiCare Health Systems Inc. which may be confidentialor privileged. 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Please checkoutthe website for more information http://www. ida.net/users/rmoon Ralph Ray Gould wrote: Info from Ralph Moon - please note it's only the rod building (a class of 8)that starts Monday as I understand it.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Rex Tutor" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:10 PMSubject: Re: national gathering RayReally ? Monday ? all the adds say the 8th ? Where didyou get that info ?TIA--- Ray Gould wrote: Starts Monday Aug 5 with rod building.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Darin J Law" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:57 PMSubject: national gathering When is the gathering in Livingston? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from rmoon@ida.net Fri Mar 15 12:51:28 2002 g2FIpR817496 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:51:28 - 0000 dati@selway.umt.edu,RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: national gathering Sorry about that it is Thursday. Now even I am confused. Ralph "Ralph W. Moon" wrote: Ray is quite correcct. The bamboo rod building class is Monday, Tues andWednesday, and the conclave opeens to the public Tuesday. . Please checkoutthe website for more information http://www. ida.net/users/rmoon Ralph Ray Gould wrote: Info from Ralph Moon - please note it's only the rod building (a class of 8)that starts Monday as I understand it.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Rex Tutor" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:10 PMSubject: Re: national gathering RayReally ? Monday ? all the adds say the 8th ? Where didyou get that info ?TIA--- Ray Gould wrote: Starts Monday Aug 5 with rod building.Ray----- Original Message -----From: "Darin J Law" Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:57 PMSubject: national gathering When is the gathering in Livingston? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from caneman@clnk.com Fri Mar 15 13:43:50 2002 g2FJhn829229 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:43:49 -0600 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:41:30 -0600 Subject: On the road again! Well, jet lag is still pounding on me pretty hard, but I'm about to leave onthis email. For those of you that live there, or that have your laptopswith you and are checking email, I'll be at the Ramada Inn at about 5:30 or6:00 pm. I would greatly appreciate it if one of you could have a nice coldbeer waiting when I get there. Sitting in a car driving hard for 4 hours istough on my old knees and back (that's my sympathy ploy to get the beer)andit's a well known fact that barley and hops mixed with other fine grains,will ease the pain of arthritis! (result of mulitple Moisture AbsorptionStudies done by myself, M-D, Mike Biondo, Dennis H., the Preacher and manyothers at the SRG2001 and continued by me and the attendees of the RealSRG2002 in NZ last week) *S* See you all there later, Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from ttalsma@macatawa.org Fri Mar 15 13:49:14 2002 g2FJnE800620 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:49:14 -0600 id ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:41:56 -0500 id F563CM6S; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:41:54 -0500 Subject: Reel seat insert blanks What size do most of you leave your blanks before you turn them for reelseats? I've gotten some scrap lumber from work and I'm wondering whatsize to cut them down to before turning. Also, does anyone know if Mahogany is appropriate for reel seats? Thanks a lot.-- Todd Talsma 8412 North Maple Court Zeeland MI 49464 ------ email: http://www.webbizbuilders.com/ Bamboo Tips site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo/ Bamboo Sources site:http://www.webbizbuilders.com/Bamboo_Sources/ home page:http://external.sligh.com/~toddt/ genealogy pages: Under construction from bob@downandacross.com Fri Mar 15 15:18:54 2002 Received: from g2FLIr823350 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 Cc: ,, "Rod Makers List Serve"Subject: RE: Rod Tubes Date: Fri, 15 Mar2002 16:18:29 -0500 Message-ID: Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Reed: That brings up asituation that I remember from my guitar shop days. I asked the owner if hehad any of the old bumper stickers that I had seen around the shop. He saidhe would only give me one if I promised not to put it on my car. I said. "Why?"He said, "Why don't I make up some stickers that say breal into my car andsteal my guitars!" Needless to say, I put the sticker on a case I had. Bestregards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu]On Behalf Of Reed Curry Sent: Friday, March ajthramer@hotmail.com; Rod Makers List Serve Subject: Re: Rod TubesBarry, I always carry an old blanket in my car. This gets thrown over anyfishing tackle that doesn't fit in the "trunk". Also, beware of buying vanityplates like "CANEROD".:) These are just an billboard to thieves. I knew onefellow with the license plate "DRYFLY" that had his car broken into twice,when others were not hit. Best regards, Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- > from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Fri Mar 1516:19:19 2002 Received: from proxy1-grandhaven0.chartermi.net Subject: Fw: Fishing Trip Date: Fri, 15 Mar MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 bdcbfr@chartermi.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Subject: Fishing Trip Four married guys go fishing. After an hour, the following conversation took place: First guy: "You have no idea what I had to do to be able to come out fishing this weekend. I had to promise my wife that I will paint every room in the house next weekend." Second guy: "That is nothing, I had to promisemy wife that I will build her a new deck for the pool." Third guy: "Man, you both have it easy! I had to promise my wife that I will remodel the kitchen not said a word. So they asked him. "You haven't said anything about whatyou had to do to be able to come fishing this weekend. What's the deal?"Fourth guy: "I just set my alarm for 5:30 am. When it went off, I shut offmy alarm, gave the wife a nudge and said, "Fishing or Sex" and she said,"Wear a sweater." from channer@frontier.net Fri Mar 15 17:56:55 2002 g2FNus804461 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:56:54 -0600 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:56:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Jason;Yep, been there, done that , didn't help a bit. Hal's sleeve over thesection might be the secret, it has never made any sense to me at allwhy a rod held perfectly straight(checked with my 4'level, not deadstraight, but absolutely plumb,too!) would come out with bends and kinksin it. Possibly hanging from the binding thread doesn't allow the stripsto slip past each other to get stragiht and the sleeve does. I may haveto pick up some hollow braided rope and give it a try.john Jason Swan wrote: I don't know if I have heard of this before, but if heat is the key tostraightening the blanks, has anyone tried hanging weights from one end ofthe blank and then heat setting the sticks after gluing? This, of course,would only work if your oven is of the vertical variety. But heating thestrips with some weight on the end might gently encourage the sets toleave.Heck, worked with the vertical blinds in my living room! I suppose it would be a great idea to do so during heat treating, but by thetime of glue up there will likely be another set or two. Will this add toomuch heat? Jason from beadman@mac.com Fri Mar 15 18:39:33 2002 g2G0dW813019 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:39:32 -0600 2002)) Subject: Re: Straightening techniques At 4:57 PM -0700 , 3/15/02, channer wrote about Re: Straighteningtechniques Jason;Yep, been there, done that , didn't help a bit. Hal's sleeve over thesection might be the secret, it has never made any sense to me at allwhy a rod held perfectly straight(checked with my 4'level, not deadstraight, but absolutely plumb,too!) would come out with bends and kinksin it. Possibly hanging from the binding thread doesn't allow the stripsto slip past each other to get stragiht and the sleeve does. I may haveto pick up some hollow braided rope and give it a try. Could the hollow sleeve as previously described take the place of binding the strips together? Say, place the strips together, put a couple of rubber bands on to hold them together while slipping them into the sleeve, and then stretch the sleeve to hold them together while the glue dries? Would there be enough pressure on the strips that way - somehow, it seems doubtful to me... Claude from jteft@frontiernet.net Fri Mar 15 18:52:33 2002 g2G0qX815718 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:52:33 -0600 0000 Subject: Stress Curves In my travels I picked up a copy of Ray Goulds book. Drove from near =Rochester, NY bought the book in Titusville, Fl., read it during my =travels. I now have a better understanding of stress courves and how to = Next step is to replenish my supply of single malt and take my favorite =3, 4, 5 wts and see if I can duplicate them in slow, med and fast =actions in my spare time.Found Rays book to contain just enough information for the neophyte such =as I and would recommend everyone have a copy. I have read Maurer's, =Cattanaches, Howell and The Carmichael/Garrison they all have their =place and I use parts of them all.Jim T In my travels I picked up a copy of Ray Goulds book. = from near Rochester, NY bought the book in Titusville, Fl., read it = interpret them. Next step is to replenish my supply of single malt = and fast actions in my spare time.Found Rays book to contain just enough information = neophyte such as I and would recommend everyone have a copy. I have read = their place and I use parts of them all.Jim T from Lazybee45@aol.com Fri Mar 15 19:41:16 2002 g2G1fF825282 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:41:15 -0600 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:40:53 -0500 Subject: PVC rod tube Okey doke. idid an experiment. Measured my "basic" old rod, a 2 piece, 6 wt, 9 ft. (plastic rod naturally!) I had no rod tube for it and even though it is very old and not used much. I wanted to see what a PVC tube would cost. So here it goes. 5 ft of 1.5 inch PVC @ .50 per foot or $2.50. Two caps, @ .79 each, a total of $4.08. I bet it would ship even by UPS with no damage! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from rvenneri@ulster.net Fri Mar 15 19:50:01 2002 g2G1o0827098 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:50:00 -0600 0500 Organization: Venneri's Custom Components Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Harold Bacon wrote: Rodmakers.The below method is my way of straightening rod sections. I use a wrappersimular to the Leonard wrapper. I take out all the twists and them put theglued blank inside a braided polypro sleeve, then I place the sleeve on astretching unit that holds the sleeve under 35# tention. The unit is placedin a oven and cured. After removing the sleeve and string I don't straightenagain.Best Hal. ----- Original Message -----From: "Jason Swan" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:30 AMSubject: Re: Straightening techniques I don't know if I have heard of this before, but if heat is the key tostraightening the blanks, has anyone tried hanging weights from one endofthe blank and then heat setting the sticks after gluing? This, of course,would only work if your oven is of the vertical variety. But heating thestrips with some weight on the end might gently encourage the sets to leave. Heck, worked with the vertical blinds in my living room! I suppose it would be a great idea to do so during heat treating, but by the time of glue up there will likely be another set or two. Will this add too much heat? Jason Harold,Where do you get the tube and what type of stretching devise are youtalking about. Best regardsBob V from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Mar 15 20:52:06 2002 g2G2q5809167 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:52:05 -0600 (authenticated) Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:51:52 -0800 Subject: Re: PVC rod tube Mark, Sound just right to me. Graphite rods deserve nice PVC tubes. Sorry, couldn't resist.Harry Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: Okey doke. idid an experiment. Measured my "basic" old rod, a 2 piece, 6wt,9 ft. (plastic rod naturally!) 5 ft of 1.5 inch PVC @ .50 per foot or $2.50. Twocaps, @ .79 each, a total of $4.08. -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Fri Mar 15 21:09:58 2002 g2G39v812747 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:09:57 -0600 Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:09:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Reel seat insert blanks FILETIME=[0A2C5F60:01C1CC98] Todd, most rodmaking suppliers sell one-inch blanks. This gives you enoughmaterial to turn down to .720 for a standard and .650 for a smaller seat. A3/4 inch pen blank is plenty for a .650 reel seat. You could possibly get a.720 from a 3/4 inch pen blank, but it would have to be perfectly centeredto start with, and it would leave almost no material for sanding. I think that mahoghany would be a great wood to try. If it holds togetherwhile turning, is reasonably hard, and looks good, it probably doesn'tmatter what wood you use. Still, I am surprised by the choices made by someof the classic makers. I have always wondered why Leonard used butternutandPayne used Spanish cedar. There has to be a story there. Jeff Schaeffer from jsschaeffer@hotmail.com Fri Mar 15 21:13:38 2002 g2G3Db813600 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:13:37 -0600 Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:13:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Off topic- fly pattern question FILETIME=[8D60C830:01C1CC98] Several months ago one of the major fly fishing magazines had an articleabout a saltwater shrimp pattern tied with Aunt Lydia's craft yarn anddubbing. Does anyone remember the magazine and issue? I would love to getthe pattern itself, but the reference would help. I can not remember exactlywhere and when I saw it. Have a trip coming up, and think that a couple of them would come in handy. Thanks, Jeff Schaeffer from Troutgetter@aol.com Fri Mar 15 21:20:37 2002 g2G3Ka815118 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:20:36 -0600 Subject: Re: National Gathering Wayne and Gentlemen,After reading this post, I was greatly disturbed! At last, the true motive America's greatest rodmakers into one, small area and then ... strike!I have taken it upon myself to notify Rumsfeld et al. the impending gathering and have been assured that, at a minimum, security on the same level as the Salt Lake games would be immediately supplied. His good bye statement onthe telephone was "All loyal American bamboo guys should attend the gathering.If you cannot attend the gathering, you MUST go fish at your local stream. If you do not, then the terrorists have (...sniffle...) won!"Mike In a message dated 3/14/2002 11:33:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, wkifer@harborside.com writes: Gentlemen, This is a must do!!! The FFF conclave, while not exactly centrally located, would be an ideal time and place to hold it. The Livingston Chamber of Commerce would do just about anything to attract that many people, along with their dollars. The top flyfishers, flytiers and rodmakers all in one place at the same time. Kind of boggles the mind don't it? What anenormous knowledge pool. Think of the networking opportunities. Great things could come of this. I, for one, give it a hearty thumbs up!! Wayne Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ Wayne andGentlemen,After reading this post, I was greatly disturbed! At last, the true motive forthe terrorist attacks has become plainly evident. It obviously is to herdAmerica's greatest rodmakers into one, small area and then ... strike!I have taken it upon myself to notify Rumsfeld et al. the impending gatheringand have been assured that, at a minimum, security on the same level as theSalt Lake games would be immediately supplied. His good bye statement onthe telephone was "All loyal American bamboo guys should attend thegathering. If you cannot attend the gathering, you MUST go fish at your localstream. If you do not, then the terrorists have (...sniffle...) won!"Mike In a message dated 3/14/2002 11:33:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,wkifer@harborside.com writes: Gentlemen, This is a must do!!! The FFF conclave, while not exactly centrally located, would be an ideal time and place to hold it. The Livingston Chamber of Commerce would do just about anything to attract that many people, along with their dollars. The top flyfishers, flytiers and rodmakers all in one place at the same time. Kind of boggles the mind don't it? What an enormous knowledge pool. Think of the networking opportunities. Great things could come of this. I, for one, give it a hearty thumbs up!! Wayne Mike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CAhttp://www.mshaybamboo.gq.nu/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Mar 15 21:43:16 2002 g2G3hF819706 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:43:15 -0600 (authenticated) Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:43:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Reel seat insert blanks Jeff, My guess is that those woods are light, stable, and easily available tothose who used them extensively. They weren't nearly so concerned asmany of usare about things looking exotic. Harry Jeff Schaeffer wrote: Still, I am surprised by the choices made by some of the classic makers. Ihave always wondered why Leonard used butternut and Payne used Spanishcedar.There has to be a story there. -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from LambersonW@missouri.edu Fri Mar 15 22:56:50 2002 g2G4un803919 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:56:49 -0600 content-class: urn:content-classes:messageSubject: RE: Reel seat insert blanks Thread-Topic: Reel seat insert blanksThread-Index: AcHMmCNJ55ZxcfNHSqS3ap9khzPeTAAHsncU ,"Rodmakers List " g2G4un803922 As Harry says both of those woods are light. A friend recently brought mea handful of osage blanks and asked that I make a reel seat from them toreplace my usual cork. We weighed the wood and also a cork insert. Theinsert from osage weighed .8 oz. compared to the .1 oz. for cork. Bill Lamberson -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Reel seat insert blanks Todd, most rodmaking suppliers sell one-inch blanks. This gives you enoughmaterial to turn down to .720 for a standard and .650 for a smallerseat. A3/4 inch pen blank is plenty for a .650 reel seat. You could possiblyget a.720 from a 3/4 inch pen blank, but it would have to be perfectlycenteredto start with, and it would leave almost no material for sanding. I think that mahoghany would be a great wood to try. If it holdstogetherwhile turning, is reasonably hard, and looks good, it probably doesn'tmatter what wood you use. Still, I am surprised by the choices made bysomeof the classic makers. I have always wondered why Leonard used butternutandPayne used Spanish cedar. There has to be a story there. Jeff Schaeffer from iank@ts.co.nz Fri Mar 15 23:40:02 2002 g2G5e0811878 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:40:00 -0600 by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2G5oWI29456 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:50:32+1300 using -f by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2G5oW129452; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:50:32 +1300 using -f Subject: Fw: real southern gathering ------------- Forwarded message follows ------------- This is a somewhat belated report on the real southern gathering .Unfortunately working to try to keep kids in a manner which they wouldlike to become accustomed has delayed this update. It was a greatgathering, lots learnt and lots of fun ( but not many fish caught) We started on Friday night with a BBQ . Attendees were Jerry and DianeMadigan, Bob Nunley, Bob Milardo, and Harold and Eileen Demarest fromthe USA, Danny Twang from Norway, Michael Roberts from Perth , DavidKennedy from Auckland, Ian and Nova Kearney , Hombre the dog ( whomanaged a year's dose of patting and secret feeding of nibbles ), andSam Kearney on occasions . On Saturday morning we kicked off with a talk from Harold on thehistory of cane and cane imports. Fascinating history from a person whohas done it all. This was followed by a demonstration by Bob N onsplitting, those big hands sure make it look easy, and those who triedit decided it was! .Ian then showed how to use "Marty's binder", which cost all of 50 centsto make and produces straight sections. Bob N is about to make one whenhe gets home , but in the best rodmaker tradition much of the discussionwas about adding drives for even feed and distance feed points ie tryingto make a simple tool more complex. There was then some rod casting andDanny's Norwegian #7 hollow butt rod took the fancy of most, it is anicer rod then the Dickerson guide special in my opinion. After lunch Ian showed some of his rods and the development of rodsover the years. Starting with a 1862 Farlow rod, a Fosters rod withexternal metal binding for strength, some rods from the 1900's includinga steel centered rod with 760 intermediate bindings, and a selection ofBritish rods through the 1900's. Some of the American were surprised atthe quality of those rods.Jerry then showed us how to use decals to achieve lovely writing onrods. This seemed a great process for some of the attendees whosehandwriting was not copyplate. David then showed the group the tapered silk line he was experimentingwith . David's wife is an expert at an ancient Japanese silk braidingtechnique and David showed us 2 meters of tapered line he had made in anevening while watching tv and following her instructions. He assured usit was very easy to do ! Mike may yet have a use for the 1000 odd frozensilk worms he has in his freezer, particularly as David told him how tounwind them! It was a nice soft line which seemed to transmit the loopso well. David is working further on finishes etc ( he is an industrialchemist with a great knowledge of glues) and has promised to keep thelist informed on progress. We finished early and headed out to the beach where Harold, Eileen andMike were staying for a waterside BBQ. Scallops and lamb went down wellwith the liquid assistance. After a meal fishing was on the schedule .Danny was forced to lead a group to his secret pool while Jerry triedsalt water fly fishing off the beach . Enough to see they were allequally successful and those who stayed sitting ( and sipping) on thelawn watching the sun set over the hills did not feel they had missedmuch. On Sunday morning, after some early morning fishing by some ( do notask what they caught), it was more casting, including a range of olderrods and some of the British rods. Bob N decided the steel centered 12'rod was definately a two handed rod , but Bob Milardo mastered it with afine display of spey casting. After lunch was a general chat session covering subjects likestraightening, finishes, making ferrules, rod boards etc. The sessionconcluded with a raffle of a rod binding holder donated by Russ atgolden witch . It was won by Mike Roberts who immediately donated it tothe host who had been eyeing it enviously for the last couple of days.Harold and Eileen had also donated three books which were sold with thefunds going to cover the costs. Harold and Eileen also brought in somebamboo which they donated for use by new rodmakers. A generouscontribution by these long term supporters of rodmaking. We concluded with a meal on the deck and lots of photos. Sam then foundwhat his role was , he had a lot of cameras to use for the group photobut Hombre decided that sitting or standing out in the sun was a sillything to do and went off to sit in the shade and missed some of thephotos. In all a great occasion in great company. Maybe again in March 2004 . Ian K -- Tasman Solutions Ltd. Real People in Cyber Space http://www.ts.co.nz from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Mar 16 00:59:03 2002 Received: from g2G6x1825812 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 2002 06:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tony.iinet.net.au) 0000 Message-Id:X-Sender:avyoung@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 KlingB@health.missouri.edu From: Tony Young Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Cc: caneman@clnk.com, ajthramer@hotmail.com, Rod References: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X-Listprocessor- Version:8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Too bad we didn't have a bigenough blanket while crossing the US/Can border that day. I could have satthere with it over my head [:-)] Tony At 09:26 AM 3/15/02 -0500, ReedCurry wrote: Barry,I always carry an old blanket in my car. This gets thrown over any fishing tackle that doesn't fit in the "trunk".Also, beware of buying vanity plates like "CANEROD".:) These are just an billboard to thieves. I knew one fellow with the license plate "DRYFLY" that had his car broken into twice, when others were not hit.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Mar 16 01:05:29 2002 g2G75R827150 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:05:28 - "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.e" Subject: Re: Fw: Fishing Trip There is a common T shirt out here with a slogan "Feed a man and he'll be hungry tomorrow, teach a man to fish and he'll be away every weekend" Tony At 05:18 PM 3/15/02 -0500, Brian D. Creek wrote: Subject: Fishing Trip Four married guys go fishing. After an hour, the following conversation took place: First guy: "You have no idea what I had to do to be able to come out fishing this weekend. I had to promise my wife that I will paint every room in the house next weekend." Second guy: "That is nothing, I had topromisemy wife that I will build her a new deck for the pool." Third guy: "Man, you both have it easy! I had to promise my wife that I will remodel the kitchen hasnot said a word. So they asked him. "You haven't said anything aboutwhatyou had to do to be able to come fishing this weekend. What's the deal?"Fourth guy: "I just set my alarm for 5:30 am. When it went off, I shut offmy alarm, gave the wife a nudge and said, "Fishing or Sex" and she said,"Wear a sweater." /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Mar 16 01:08:17 2002 g2G78F827815 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:08:15 -0600 Subject: Re: PVC rod tube I can see why everybody wanting to use Al tubes do but I can't be convinced practical people like Dickerson and others would have ignored PVC pipes if they were available in their day.Time for a new tradition in rod tubes I say. TY At 08:40 PM 3/15/02 -0500, Lazybee45@aol.com wrote: Okey doke. idid an experiment. Measured my "basic" old rod, a 2 piece, 6wt, 9 ft. (plastic rod naturally!) I had no rod tube for it and even thoughit is very old and not used much. I wanted to see what a PVC tube wouldcost. So here it goes. 5 ft of 1.5 inch PVC @ .50 per foot or $2.50. Twocaps, @ .79 each, a total of $4.08. I bet it would ship even by UPS with nodamage! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from ajthramer@hotmail.com Sat Mar 16 02:47:51 2002 g2G8lo814339 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:47:50 - Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:47:37 -0800 Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:47:37 GMT rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Reel seat insert blanks FILETIME=[39863720:01C1CCC7] Honduran mahogany is great to work with, fairly light, it turns great and finished beautifuly. Nice straight grained clear wood is a snap to come up with too. As for Spanish cedar and butternut, they are both lighter than cork, offer an improved reel holding surface, turn easily, finish well and are readily available in straight grained easily turned stock. Butternut has a few problems of its own though, it does not route very clean and it is prone to worm holes. Spanish cedar just gives me an overwhelming desire for a good cigar. It goes back to what the original makers thought they were making, I think they thought they were making fishing rods. Those rods were sold by weight as an important part of their advertising , much as mountain bikes are today,it has only been recently that builders think they need to use some unborn African goat horn reelseat filler. Not that pretty wood isn't a delight to look at but we have arrived a different paradigm than what was in days past.A.J. From: "Jeff Schaeffer" Subject: Re: Reel seat insert blanksDate: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:16:25 -0500 Todd, most rodmaking suppliers sell one-inch blanks. This gives you enoughmaterial to turn down to .720 for a standard and .650 for a smaller seat. A3/4 inch pen blank is plenty for a .650 reel seat. You could possibly get a.720 from a 3/4 inch pen blank, but it would have to be perfectly centeredto start with, and it would leave almost no material for sanding. I think that mahoghany would be a great wood to try. If it holds togetherwhile turning, is reasonably hard, and looks good, it probably doesn'tmatter what wood you use. Still, I am surprised by the choices made bysomeof the classic makers. I have always wondered why Leonard used butternut andPayne used Spanish cedar. There has to be a story there. Jeff Schaeffer _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 06:21:08 2002 g2GCL7819185 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:21:07 -0600 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Last nights casting tournament Well guys,I am afraid I let down the bamboo lifestyle again lastnight. I finished 3rd after the second round but lacked a high enoughtotal to make the finals.I cast the Dickerson 6611 in the first round and myPHY Midge in the second round. Both rods cast flawlessly laying the lineout perfectly straight across the targets, unfortunately I had a problemjudging the distance from the elevated casting platform.Ironically, and to the surprise of the graphitenay-sayers I overshot most of the targets by about 6". It was kind offunny because one guy asked me if I wanted to borrow his 9' Fenwick, hesaid "he didn't think I'd be able to reach the far targets with thatlittle rod". The expression on his face as I easily over shot the endtarget was enough of a trophy for me!Got the usual crowd of on lookers, asking "how old the rodwas?" and "isn't it terribly slow?". Most people were pleasantlysurprised when I let them wiggle the rods and explained that you canbuild slow rods or fast rods.Oh by the way I did find one advantage to using the shortrods.... I didn't get hooked in the rafters on the back cast, unlikebuddy with the 9' Fenwick ;^) Shawn from canazon@mindspring.com Sat Mar 16 08:36:46 2002 g2GEak815259 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:36:46 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16mFIX-00083m-00; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:36:41 -0500 Subject: Re: real southern gathering Sam then found what his role was , he had a lot of cameras to use for thegroup photo but Hombre decided that sitting or standing out in the sun In all a great occasion in great company. Maybe again in March 2004 . Ian K ian,can we get pictures? i mean, pictures of hombre, the dog!hey, it sounds like a great time was had by all. hopefully a few more of uscan make it in 2004.i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at thereal southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". from avyoung@iinet.net.au Sat Mar 16 08:46:38 2002 g2GEka817307 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:46:37 - Subject: Re: real southern gathering You don't mean there was an excess of "toilet talk" do you? [;-)] TY can we get pictures? i mean, pictures of hombre, the dog! hey, it sounds like a great time was had by all. hopefully a few more of uscan make it in 2004.i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at thereal southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 11:44:11 2002 g2GHiA821320 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:44:10 - Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:45:56 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: Rod Tubes John,just don't accidentally install that piece of PVC with your rod in it insomeone's plumbing! Imagine the happy plumber that got to clean out thatcloggeddrain! Shawnn ;^) channer wrote: Bob;Who ever said anything about puting someone else's rod in a pvctube???????I put my own rods in pvc because I can usually get what Ineed laying around the job site after the plumbers are done. Alsobecause my own rods live in my work truck and p0vc tubes just blend inwith the rest of the crap. I don't think I could get away with pvc forthe customers, so theirs go in REC tubes, which I most likely pay waytoo much for.john Bob Nunley wrote: Allen,Thanks for posting that... and my apologies to anyone on the list thatis offended by my response, but I just never understood why someonewouldmake a thousand dollar (or, in some cases much, much more) rod and putit ina damn piece of plumbing pipe! I pay about 15 each for my rod tubes,whenit's all said and done, shipping and all, and they beat the hell out ofanything you can make out of PVC. Just can't imagine the reaction ofone ofmy sports if I say "Oh yeah. Sending your $1400 rod out tomorrow. Bytheway, forget the aluminum tube, I can save Three Bucks by giving you apieceof plastic pipe instead!!!" Might as well say, "Hey, your Mercedes is onthe way, but we're putting it in a Volkswagon body instead!" Later,Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com- ---- Original Message -----From: "Allen Thramer" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:11 AMSubject: Re: Rod Tubes PVC rod tubes? Ah.., even for my admitedly utilitarian proclivities I think that this is going too far! Are we going to see PVC dual ring reel seats(hopefully with a tasteful rope knurl) next? The Cortland people areverynice to deal with, it is easy to set up a rodbuilder account, and they have a low minimum order of only $50. A 7ft 2pc tube with a nice domedaluminumcap and collar is only about $9 or 10 dollars and an 8ft tube is only$10.50. Knock the top off and cut to fit, doesn't even need glue!A.J. From: "William R. Fink" Subject: Rod TubesDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:41:42 -0500 To The ListNothing could get ever me to deviate from traditional rod practicesincluding tubes and cases.By-the-way, does anyone have a means of removing themanufaturer'sunsightly marking from my PVC tomato stakes?Thanks. Bill _________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 11:57:59 2002 g2GHvw824106 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:57:58 - Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:59:36 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods ajthramer@hotmail.com, Rod Makers List Serve Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Tony,you mean to tell me you snuck into Canada??? Hmmmm, I'll have tosendthose customs guys an more up to date photo of you, probably wouldn't hurttoslip them an extra $50 for that cavity search they promised. ;^)You should come further east on your Canadian trips! Beers betterhere! Shawn Tony Young wrote: Too bad we didn't have a big enough blanket while crossing the US/Canborder that day. I could have sat there with it over my head [:-)] Tony At 09:26 AM 3/15/02 -0500, Reed Curry wrote: Barry,I always carry an old blanket in my car. This gets thrown overany fishing tackle that doesn't fit in the "trunk".Also, beware of buying vanity plates like "CANEROD".:) These arejust an billboard to thieves. I knew one fellow with the license plate"DRYFLY" that had his car broken into twice, when others were not hit.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Sat Mar 16 12:32:06 2002 g2GIW5800804 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:32:05 - ,"Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Rod Tubes And the bacon!----- Original Message ----- ; "Rod Makers List Serve" Subject: Re: Rod Tubes Tony,you mean to tell me you snuck into Canada??? Hmmmm, I'll have to send those customs guys an more up to date photo of you, probably wouldn'thurt to slip them an extra $50 for that cavity search they promised. ;^)You should come further east on your Canadian trips! Beers better here! Shawn Tony Young wrote: Too bad we didn't have a big enough blanket while crossing the US/Canborder that day. I could have sat there with it over my head [:-)] Tony At 09:26 AM 3/15/02 -0500, Reed Curry wrote: Barry,I always carry an old blanket in my car. This gets thrown overany fishing tackle that doesn't fit in the "trunk".Also, beware of buying vanity plates like "CANEROD".:) These are just an billboard to thieves. I knew one fellow with the license plate"DRYFLY" that had his car broken into twice, when others were not hit.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ -- /*************************************************************************/ AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Forks Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sat Mar 16 13:25:22 2002 g2GJPL811314 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:25:21 - (authenticated) Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:25:14 -0800 Subject: Re: PVC rod tube Once again, No thanks. You know, this being a crotchety old fart who's set in his waysiskinda fun. Maybe I oughta do more of it. Naah,Harry Shawn Pineo wrote: REC even carries graphite and kevlar cases, a great accessory for thoseother rods. ;^) -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 13:26:12 2002 g2GJQB811588 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:26:11 -0600 Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:27:56 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Was Dimension increases, Now Experimentation --------------CC5CEFCBB43C24F7343D22CF My vote has to go with somewhere in Canada. Not only would it be easy $1 US = $1.60 Can and 1 Can beer (% wise) = 1.5 US beers thatmeans you are getting way more beer for the money!P.S. I will be organizing a Eastern Canada gathering if and when Ican get the military to leave in one place long enough to plan it andactually be in fishing season. Shawn ;^P Bob Nunley wrote: Slumming???? Only if you have never been to Griz country with Bob andBillie on the West Fork of Mill Creek!! Details only to those whocome to Livingston in August! *S* Bob R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message -----From: Adam Vigil Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:40 PMSubject: Re: Was Dimension increases, Now ExperimentationHarry, I am sure the Baptist Church of Las Vegas would evenput you up for the weekend. The symposium in Montana soundslike a good place also. But when Montana calls meetings arethe last things on my mind. I mean give me a break Ralphlives on the Henry's Fork. When he goes to Montana it islike slumming. Adam ----- Original Message -----From: Harry BoydCc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:31 AMSubject: Re: Was Dimension increases, NowExperimentationAdam Vigil wrote: A national gathering? Sounds like we should meetwhere the rest of the U.S.A does when they wanteverybody to come and have an easy destinationpoint. LAS VEGAS! Adam, Vegas? Vegas? Gimme a break man! I know whyyou decided on Vegas... You don't want me toshow. 'fraid we might tie up, huh? (Tie up is agood suth'n term ...MD can explain it) You knowif we have it in Vegas, the good Rev' won't beable to attend. He'd lose his job. (not really) Tongue pressing firmly against my cheek, andstill lobbying for Ralph's symposium in Montana, Harry --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church --------------CC5CEFCBB43C24F7343D22CF My vote has to go with somewhere in Canada. Not only would it be easy forme to attend but keep this formula in mind..... 1Can beer (% wise) = 1.5 US beers that means you are getting way more beer if and when I can get the military to leave in one place long enough toplan it and actually be in fishing season. Shawn ;^PBob Nunley wrote: Slumming???? Only ifyou have never been to Griz country with Bob and Billie on the West Fork Custom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com ----- Original Message ----- From:AdamVigil Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:40PM Subject: Re: Was Dimension increases,Now Experimentation am sure the Baptist Church of Las Vegas would even put you up for the symposium in Montana sounds like a good place also. But when Montana callsmeetings are the last things on my mind. I mean give me a break Ralph on the Henry's Fork. When he goes to Montana it is like ----- Original Message ----- From:HarryBoyd Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:31AM Subject: Re: Was Dimension increases,Now Experimentation A nationalgathering?Sounds like we should meet where the rest of the U.S.A does when they want VEGAS! Adam, lobbying for Ralph's symposium in Montana, --Harry Boyd Bamboo Rods Our Church --------------CC5CEFCBB43C24F7343D22CF-- from cw@vanion.com Sat Mar 16 14:06:22 2002 g2GK6L819567 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:06:21 - for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:11:20 - Subject: Reelseat wood incerts I've been working with a gentleman, Clint McCormick, on obtaining and =working wood for inserts, and would like to reccomend him to the list. =He knows his stuff, and is VERY enthusiastic about wood. He also =suggested a stablizing process using superglue, and where to get it at a =very cost effective price. The address is his ebay store, and you can =email thru there. No financial interest, just a great contact. = I've been working with agentleman, = reccomend him to the list. He knows his stuff, and is VERY enthusiastic = wood. He also suggested a stablizing process using superglue, and where = it at a very cost effective price. The address is his ebay store, and = email thru there. No financial interest, just a great contact. http://www.ebaystores.co= from hartzell@easystreet.com Sat Mar 16 14:31:12 2002 g2GKVB824521 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:31:11 - g2GKUx527115; Subject: Re: Straightening techniques Claude,Ray Gould's book describes the tube method in some detail. He and JackByrd developed this technique of straightening and gluing some time ago.Ed Hartzell Claude Freaner wrote: At 4:57 PM -0700 , 3/15/02, channer wrote about Re: Straighteningtechniques Jason;Yep, been there, done that , didn't help a bit. Hal's sleeve over thesection might be the secret, it has never made any sense to me at allwhy a rod held perfectly straight(checked with my 4'level, not deadstraight, but absolutely plumb,too!) would come out with bends and kinksin it. Possibly hanging from the binding thread doesn't allow the stripsto slip past each other to get stragiht and the sleeve does. I may haveto pick up some hollow braided rope and give it a try. Could the hollow sleeve as previously described take the place ofbinding the strips together? Say, place the strips together, put acouple of rubber bands on to hold them together while slipping theminto the sleeve, and then stretch the sleeve to hold them togetherwhile the glue dries? Would there be enough pressure on the stripsthat way - somehow, it seems doubtful to me... Claude from jerryy@webtv.net Sat Mar 16 15:27:06 2002 g2GLR6805584 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:27:06 - by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:27:05 - 2111.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA10541; ETAtAhUAhfCsJi+AlVaSOiyJvJg0fa1VBr8CFHaUcB1slQ0+RZc6Wm/XAh53zY9z Subject: Kodak Fixer Question on mixing the Kodak fixer for bluing. Do you mix all thecrystals, and can you store it for use later or do you mix smallbatches? TIA Jerry Young from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Sat Mar 16 16:57:34 2002 g2GMvX821338 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:57:33 - Subject: Re: Kodak Fixer I've only used liquid rapid fixer. Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Kodak Fixer Question on mixing the Kodak fixer for bluing. Do you mix all thecrystals, and can you store it for use later or do you mix smallbatches? TIA Jerry Young from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Mar 16 17:24:10 2002 g2GNO9826218 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:24:09 - Subject: Signature rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple of different ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them with size, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one. Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ I was wondering how I have made up a code and I have just signed them with size, weight, my name Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ from Steve55merlin@aol.com Sat Mar 16 17:42:08 2002 g2GNg7829712 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:42:07 - for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:41:42 - MAILINID74-0316184142; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:41:42 -0500 Subject: test 010203040506" ------_Part_3c93d836-0134-6b1a-010203040506 please delete ------_Part_3c93d836-0134-6b1a-010203040506 MAILINXH24-0316150650; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:06:50 -0500 Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:06:30 -0500 g2GK6S819617; g2GK6L819567 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:06:21 - for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:11:20 - Subject: Reelseat wood incerts I've been working with a gentleman, Clint McCormick, on obtaining and workin=g wood for inserts, and would like to reccomend him to the list. He knows hi=s stuff, and is VERY enthusiastic about wood. He also suggested a stablizing=process using superglue, and where to get it at a very cost effective price=. The address is his ebay store, and you can email thru there. No interest, just a great contact. I've been working with agentleman, Clin= reccomend him to the list. He knows his stuff, and is VERY enthusiasticabou= wood. He also suggested a stablizing process using superglue, and where tog= it at a very cost effective price. The address is his ebay store, and you ca= ------_Part_3c93d836-0134-6b1a-010203040506-- from bob@downandacross.com Sat Mar 16 17:49:32 2002 g2GNnV801260 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:49:31 - 16 Mar 2002 18:49:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Signature Bret:I just sign mine with two linesR Maulucci- MakerDAX 704 That would stand for Downandacross 7 foot 0 inches 4 weightThe Quad would be DAX 704Q.If the rod is built on someone else's taper, I would have a third line readwith that info. Like the rod I built from Bob Milward's book says:R Maulucci- Maker6'6" for 5 wt.Milward-Hardy CC de France Taper Best regards,Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Signature I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple ofdifferent ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them withsize, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one.Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ Bret: mine with two lines Maker 704 stand for Downandacross 7 foot 0 inches 4 weight would be DAX 704Q. is built on someone else's taper, I would have a third line read with = Like the rod I built from Bob Milward's book says: Maker wt.Milward-Hardy CC de France Taper regards,Bob Grhghlndr@aol.comSent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 ajthramer@hotmail.com; Brethttp://bretsovens.bravepages.c=om/ from iank@ts.co.nz Sat Mar 16 18:03:13 2002 g2H03B804075 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:03:11 - by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2H0DxV21715 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu.KAV; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:13:59+1200 using -f by sage.ts.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2H0DxG21711; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:13:59 +1200 using -f Subject: Re: real southern gathering To those who have inquired about pics of the gathering , these will beavailable in the next week or so. Some of the feature pics will include : Bobs head wound after walking into thelarge plum tree he had been walking around for the previous five days, Danny's ( dubbed the Italian ) very effective but dramatic castingstyle, Jerrys 8 lb brown trout caught after the gathering ( smile Bob) , Bob and Mikes 2 brown's and the 4 that got away , and many more. Ian Sam then found what his role was , he had a lot of cameras to use for thegroup photo but Hombre decided that sitting or standing out in the sun In all a great occasion in great company. Maybe again in March 2004 . Ian K ian,can we get pictures? i mean, pictures of hombre, the dog!hey, it sounds like a great time was had by all. hopefully a few more of uscan make it in 2004.i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at thereal southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". -- Tasman Solutions Ltd. Real People in Cyber Space http://www.ts.co.nz from dmanders@telusplanet.net Sat Mar 16 18:05:20 2002 Received: from g2H05J804652 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122- Mar 2002 17:05:12 -0700 Message-Id:X- Sender:dmanders/pop.telusplanet.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: Windows rodmakers@mail.wustL.edu From: Don & Sandy Andersen dmanders@telusplanet.net Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Guys,Was looking over the VFS [flyshop.com] and finally concluded that the faultis ours. If we ever want the world to pound a path to our door and make offwith all the cane rods we ever produced, we need letters - thats rightletters. We gotta have XYZ, PDQ, NFG and on and on. That is the only way wewill ever excite the masses. After reading some of the posts about my XRP,PDY or whatever arriving today. You would think those guys were describingtheir wedding night. catch ya' Donffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html > from mrc@mars.plala.or.jp Sat Mar16 18:36:56 2002 Received: from rm8.plala.or.jp (rm8.plala.or.jp Mar 2002 09:36:42 +0900 (JST) Message-ID:From: "Max" , ,Cc: ,, References:Subject: Re: Signature Date: Sun, 17 Mar mrc@mars.plala.or.jp Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu X- Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Bretet al, I have a frustration to write a line weight # on a rod. The reason is likethis. I made a rod, for instnace, from the taper of PHY Parabolic #17 whichsays #7 Wt.. Actually, however, it feels like #8 or #9 wt when it is casted.Do you think I should sign #7 nevertheless? Or should I sign as #8, or 9?Sometimes, it depends on the person who cast the rod and his selection ofDT or WF which decides the line Wt, I guess. In this case, should we sign likeWF 8, or DT 7? Any advise is appreciated. Max I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple ofdifferent ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them with size, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one.Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 19:21:16 2002 g2H1LF818254 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:21:16 -0600 Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:21:58 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods Subject: Re: It just occurred to me Don,mine, as always JPB..................Just Plain Bamboo!!!Shawn Don & Sandy Andersen wrote: Guys, Was looking over the VFS [flyshop.com] and finally concluded that the faultis ours.If we ever want the world to pound a path to our door and make off with allthe cane rods we ever produced, we need letters - thats right letters.We gotta have XYZ, PDQ, NFG and on and on. That is the only way we willever excite the masses.After reading some of the posts about my XRP, PDY or whatever arrivingtoday. You would think those guys were describing their wedding night. catch ya' Don http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from channer@frontier.net Sat Mar 16 19:22:02 2002 g2H1M1818469 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:22:01 -0600 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:22:09 -0700 Subject: Re: It just occurred to me You know Ollie, I think you're right!john Don & Sandy Andersen wrote: Guys, Was looking over the VFS [flyshop.com] and finally concluded that the faultis ours.If we ever want the world to pound a path to our door and make off with allthe cane rods we ever produced, we need letters - thats right letters.We gotta have XYZ, PDQ, NFG and on and on. That is the only way we willever excite the masses.After reading some of the posts about my XRP, PDY or whatever arrivingtoday. You would think those guys were describing their wedding night. catch ya' Don http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from davidhray@mindspring.com Sat Mar 16 19:24:54 2002 g2H1Or819212 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:24:53 - ([64.154.159.163] helo=hostname.mindspring.com) id 16mPPn-0003Eq-00 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:24:52 -0500 Subject: Las Vegas --=======C17252B======= ascii; format=flowed I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the Southern Baptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas is good enough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough for Bamboo rod building. If we have our casting a little out of town there will no trees to get in the way. David H. Ray --=======C17252B======= ok-37E57593 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02 --=======C17252B=======-- from davidhray@mindspring.com Sat Mar 16 19:25:01 2002 g2H1P0819237 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:25:00 - ([64.154.159.163] helo=hostname.mindspring.com) id 16mPPt-0003Eq-00 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:24:59 -0500 Subject: Penta Taper --=======51D28D0======= ascii; format=flowed If there are others that are looking for a great Penta Taper I have one that is based on a Perfectionist 7' 6" 4 wt 2 piece. I have made hex and penta perfectionists rods and the penta is a much faster rod with a lot more power. I can't say it is an exact comparison but but from the 6 hex and two penta's I have made I like the penta far better and the perfectionist hex is an excellent rod taper, in my opinion. Here are the half measurements. 0 - .0295- .03510-.04815-.05520-.06225-.06930-.07535-.08740-.09845- .10250-.10755-.11460-.12265-.12770-.13075-.13480-.13785-.13990- .139 --=======51D28D0======= ok-37E57593 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02 --=======51D28D0=======-- from bamboorules@ns.sympatico.ca Sat Mar 16 19:27:00 2002 g2H1Qx819932 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:26:59 - Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:28:43 -0400 Organization: New Scotland Fly Rods caneman@clnk.com, ajthramer@hotmail.com, rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Signature --------------15393A0A1A9E05355277A0B7 Bret,doesn't really matter, whatever YOU feel is right. Just makesure it is varnish proof.I switched markers and had to keep one of my own rods because thewriting is hardly legible after varnishing.As I told my wife and we ALL know, a rod like that can't be sold,not for any price and heaven forbid, I couldn't re-sign it and putanother coat of varnish on it! I guess I'll have no choice but to keepthat crummy Midge for myself, come to think of it I have a bad feelingabout that other rod I just split out ;^) Shawn Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote: I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple ofdifferent ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed themwith size, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on thisone.Bret http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --------------15393A0A1A9E05355277A0B7 Bret, whateverYOU feel is right. Just make sure it is varnish proof. oneof my own rods because the writing is hardly legible after varnishing. rod like that can't be sold, not for any price and heaven forbid, I couldn't no choice but to keep that crummy Midge for myself, come to think of itI have a bad feeling about that other rod I just split out ;^) ShawnGrhghlndr@aol.com wrote:I was different one.Brethttp://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ --------------15393A0A1A9E05355277A0B7-- from Lazybee45@aol.com Sat Mar 16 19:36:09 2002 g2H1a8821943 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:36:08 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas May I humbly disagree and suggest a gathering at Cedar Rapids, iowa? First because I could come and attend! but second because wehave nice facilities, and teh cost wold be much better than Vegas without the distractions of Siegfried and Roy, Showgirls, hookers, and imitation Elvises. We also do have a trout stream that runs right through town, and is within walking distance of the major convention center and easy driving distance of the other convention gathering areas. The excellent trout fishing areas of NE Iowa are within a few hours as well. Plus you have something you do NOT get anywhere else. Hospitality! Iowegans are friendly people. Plus we are distinguished by one real difficult failing. Iowa is one of the ofew places in teh world where you are likely to get mugged by a little old lady wielding a potroast! We like to eat and have this abject horror of the very idea of someone failing from lack of food on our doorstep! The Amana colonies are only a few miles away and they specialize in "family style" dining with huge crockery bowls of food being passed around the table, and you eat until you simply can't force the fork to your mouth. But then iowa is one of the places where you can be seriously in danger of death by overeating! while Ihave no "official" connection with any of the places I mentioned, I really HAVE tested them for you, no need to thank me, it is part of my job. I don't want any "friends" to show up and suffer from hunger or food that is sub standard. Now let me see, I simply MUST return to the Rhonnenberg Resturant to check if the home made Apple pie is up to standard, thaat and the German Schnitzel. Maybe I best check out the Beer at the Colony as well....Sorry, gotta go! mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from canazon@mindspring.com Sat Mar 16 19:56:45 2002 g2H1uj825311 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:56:45 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16mPuW-0005Oy-00; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:56:37 -0500 "Tony Young" Subject: Re: real southern gathering You don't mean there was an excess of "toilet talk" do you? [;-)] TY i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at the real southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". well tony, i wasn't quite sure what you meant by toilet talk, but afterreading ian's post about all the fish that were caught after the gathering,it is much clearer to me now.i believe we shall to have the photographs analyzed to ensure that theyare not digitally enhanced.mike from djfinch@sprintmail.com Sat Mar 16 20:21:33 2002 g2H2LW829367 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:21:32 - ([63.211.242.177] helo=sprintmail.com) id 16mQIZ-0007QB-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:21:27 -0800 Subject: Test :please delete test from gjm80301@yahoo.com Sat Mar 16 20:51:26 2002 g2H2pP804070 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:51:25 - 16 Mar 2002 18:51:16 PST Subject: Re: real southern gathering The last straggler has made it home. I'll have more to day. Theshort story is that it was the best trip ever. Our hosts are to becommeneded. Next time, we'll need to find a facility so aas not toentirely take over teh Kearney residence. we had some great fishing when we headed for tht he mountains, but itdoes take some getting used to. I have lots and lots of pictures, but no host for them. Jerry --- IanKearney wrote: To those who have inquired about pics of the gathering , these willbe available in the next week or so. Some of the feature pics will include : Bobs head wound afterwalking into the large plum tree he had been walking around for theprevious five days, Danny's ( dubbed the Italian ) very effective butdramatic casting style, Jerrys 8 lb brown trout caught after thegathering ( smile Bob) , Bob and Mikes 2 brown's and the 4 that got away , and manymore. Ian Sam then found what his role was , he had a lot of cameras to use group photo but Hombre decided that sitting or standing out in the sun In all a great occasion in great company. Maybe again in March 2004 . Ian K ian,can we get pictures? i mean, pictures of hombre, the dog!hey, it sounds like a great time was had by all. hopefully a few more of us can make it in 2004.i wonder if the lack of fishing success by this esteemed assembly at the real southern gathering was a result of the "toilet bowl effect". -- Tasman Solutions Ltd.Real People in Cyber Spacehttp://www.ts.co.nz __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from Notsooyoun@aol.com Sat Mar 16 21:00:56 2002 g2H30t805921 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:00:55 - for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:00:37 - Subject: Nickel Silver I was wondering what the alloy is that comprise the nickel silver used in ferrules.ThanksNotso from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sat Mar 16 21:07:23 2002 g2H37M807044 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:07:23 - (authenticated) Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:07:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Nickel Silver Notso, Most of us use our real names on here, just as a way of getting to knoweach other. Part of what makes this list so valuable is the relationships wedevelop. Some of the folks here have become good friends to me in the lastsix years. Oh, if Notso IS your real name, please accept my apologies formaking a false assumption. Nickel silver is an alloy of copper, zinc, and nickel -- if I remembercorrectly. In most cases, the nickel is either 12% or 18%, depending on theparticular alloy. Harry Boyd Notsooyoun@aol.com wrote: I was wondering what the alloy is that comprise the nickel silver used inferrules.ThanksNotso -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from dickay@alltel.net Sun Mar 17 06:33:57 2002 g2HCXu824615 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:33:56 -0600 srv.alltel.net Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:33:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Was Dimension increases, Now Experimentation All, If not Montana, why not Branson, Missouri. Its centrally located. =There are plenty of motels, campgrounds, restaurants and lots of things = amusement parks, and golf courses). For the "Bamboo Interested" there =is Lake Taneycomo to use as a casting pond (Its really a stream with =trout in it.). And its not to far from the great flyfishing waters of =Arkansas, the White River, the Norfolk, and the Little Red River. If =your into other kinds of fishing, Bass Pro Shop World Headquarters is =just a half hour away in Springfield. Just a suggestion.Dick Fuhrman Subject: Re: Was Dimension increases, Now Experimentation Harry, I am sure the Baptist Church of Las Vegas would even put you up for = The symposium in Montana sounds like a good place also. But when =Montana calls meetings are the last things on my mind. I mean give me a =break Ralph lives on the Henry's Fork. When he goes to Montana it is =like slumming. Adam Subject: Re: Was Dimension increases, Now Experimentation A national gathering? Sounds like we should meet where the rest of =the U.S.A does when they want everybody to come and have an easy =destination point. LAS VEGAS! Vegas? Vegas? Gimme a break man! I know why you decided on =Vegas... You don't want me to show. 'fraid we might tie up, huh? (Tie =up is a good suth'n term ...MD can explain it) You know if we have it =in Vegas, the good Rev' won't be able to attend. He'd lose his job. = Tongue pressing firmly against my cheek, and still lobbying for = All, If not Montana, why not Branson, = lots of things for the "Non-Bamboo Interested" to do (shopping (outlet = there is Lake Taneycomo to use as a casting pond (Its really a stream = kinds of fishing, Bass Pro Shop World Headquarters is just a half hour = Dick Fuhrman ----- Original Message ----- Vigil Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu= Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 = PMSubject: Re: Was Dimension = Experimentation Harry, I am sure the Baptist Church of Las = even put you up for the weekend. The symposium in Montana sounds like= also. But when Montana calls meetings are the last things on my mind. = it is like slumming. Adam ----- Original Message ----- Cc: rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu= Sent: Thursday, March 14, = AMSubject: Re: Was Dimension = Now Experimentation A = gathering? Sounds like we should meet where the rest of the U.S.A = when they want everybody to come and have an easy destination = LAS VEGAS! Harry = from channer@frontier.net Sun Mar 17 09:04:28 2002 g2HF4R826970 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:04:28 - for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:04:25 - Subject: Snake Brand tip Being the kind of person that just can't leave anything the way it came,I find myself touching up the toes on Snake Brand guides just a bit, Ifind it makes wrapping 3/0 over them easier. As I use the black ones, Ithen have to do something about the shiny spot I've just created. Itypically use magic marker, but I had just blued some ferrules last niteand had a Q-tip with Brass Black on it, so I touched the end of theguide foot with it, and , low and behold, it turned black! Now no moreworries about the marker bleeding into the wrap or waiting for it todry. It does make me wonder a bit what kind of wire they're made of, butnot too much. Just thought I would pass this tid bit along.john from bhoy551@earthlink.net Sun Mar 17 09:05:46 2002 g2HF5j827127 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:05:45 - helo=bhoy.earthlink.net) id 16mcEB-00032i-00 for RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 07:05:44 -0800 Subject: test ignore from homes-sold@attbi.com Sun Mar 17 09:30:20 2002 g2HFUJ827630 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:30:19 - ;Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:30:14 +0000 Subject: Re: Snake Brand tip John,Just curious, where did you get the Brass Black?Don----- Original Message ----- Subject: Snake Brand tip Being the kind of person that just can't leave anything the way it came,I find myself touching up the toes on Snake Brand guides just a bit from harms1@pa.net Sun Mar 17 10:15:03 2002 g2HGF2828397 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:15:02 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Las Vegas I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas is goodenough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. If we have our casting a little out of town there will no trees to get in the way. David H. Ray -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02 from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Sun Mar 17 10:33:18 2002 g2HGXH828855 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:33:17 - (authenticated) Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:33:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Las Vegas Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D.Campbell,the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If Iwent to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slip intoone of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask, 'Pleasemam,please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas theybroughtwith them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they brokeneitherone. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain Home Arkansas,oreven Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas is goodenough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from KyleDruey@aol.com Sun Mar 17 10:43:02 2002 g2HGh1829155 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:43:01 - for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:42:53 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas Bill, I couldn't agree more. I am a native Californian, lived here my whole, will probably die here, and I have never been to Vegas. I live about 4 hours away and the thought to visit Las Vegas doesn't even cross my mind. Branson, now that would be a great place, and a place I have visited. Many many things for the Queen of the Domocile to visit and do while the men play with the bamboo. Outlet shops, restaurants, theater houses, etc., could fill up the days (or evenings) as alternative entertainment. Bass Pro Shop in Springfield, MO was amazing, even the kids loved that one! Kyle In a message dated 03/17/2002 8:15:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,harms1@pa.net writes: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it.Cheers, Bill from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Mar 17 11:11:35 2002 g2HHBY829890 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:11:34 - ([209.179.146.168] helo=computer) id 16meBx-0006JO-00 for Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:11:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Las Vegas Guys, Some people go to Vegas for the shows and food I guess others go for theseedy part. Never crossed my mind, but now we know what goes on betweenyourears we will make sure to keep our gatherings are far away from the evilVegas things. Because will all know that bad stuff only happens in Nevada.Well all know that brothels don't exist in New Orleans or even California.Shoot I bet they even DANCE and drink BEER in Nevada! LOL....we willconsider a calmer place for a national gathering. Would not want to beresponsible for any rodmakers drinking or gambling instead of talking bamboorods. Branson might be nice....they dont have big city women there do they? Adam from rmoon@ida.net Sun Mar 17 11:23:09 2002 g2HHN8800280 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:23:08 - 0000 Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Las Vegas Harry I love your stubbornness. Ralph Harry Boyd wrote: Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D.Campbell,the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If Iwent to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slip intoone of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask, 'Pleasemam,please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas theybroughtwith them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they brokeneitherone. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain HomeArkansas, oreven Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas isgoodenough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Mar 17 12:12:57 2002 g2HICv801675 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:12:57 - g2HICtO31999 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:12:55 -0600 Subject: Re: Las Vegas I go along with Mtn.Home.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Harry Boyd wrote: Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence with Will D.Campbell,the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Me neither. If Iwent to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but to quietly slip intoone of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses and ask, 'Pleasemam,please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited Las Vegas theybroughtwith them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and they brokeneitherone. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or Mountain HomeArkansas, oreven Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want tovisit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able toscroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas isgoodenough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from lblan@provide.net Sun Mar 17 12:21:43 2002 g2HILh801970 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:21:43 - for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:21:41 - Subject: RE: Las Vegas Hmmm... considering the amount of planning involved, Mountain Home mightnotbe a bad choice. The group is already familiar with the area, which isreally necessary in terms of planning something worthwhile. It isn't a oneman job, and we have a few members who know the ins and outs down there.Itisn't completely central, but it's not that far off. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 11:33 AM Cc: davidhray@mindspring.com; Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Las Vegas Bill, Gotta agree with you there. During the era when the Southern BaptistConvention was held in Las Vegas, I was in correspondence withWill D. Campbell,the civil rights worker and author. In one of his notes he asked me:"Harry, are you going to the Convention in Las Vegas? Meneither. If Iwent to Vegas it would not be to go to a Convention, but toquietly slip intoone of the brothels that we so callously call whorehouses andask, 'Please mam,please; can you teach me something about grace?'"I like that. David, it is said that when Southern Baptists visited LasVegas they broughtwith them a Ten dollar bill and the Ten Commandments, and theybroke neitherone. [;-)] Nothing against those who do prefer Vegas, but I'd like somewhere nearwater. Like Livingston (stubborn, ain't I?), or MountainHome Arkansas, oreven Branson, Missouri as someone suggested. WILLIAM HARMS wrote: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want to visit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able to scroll down to it. From: "Davidhray" I have to disagree about Harry being able to go to Vegas the SouthernBaptist had a national convention there a few years ago. It Vegas is good enough for a Baptist National Convention it should be good enough forBamboo rod building. --Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com/ Bamboo Rodshttp://www.fbcwin.com/ Our Church from rcurry@ttlc.net Sun Mar 17 12:57:56 2002 g2HIvt802797 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:57:55 - User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: Re: Las Vegas Larry, I consulted a map and it appears that Cedar Rapids, IA is much more central. However, I was thinking that somewhere in Wisconsin (there is no Sin in Wisconsin) we might find an amenable spot. After all, Mtn. Home is already a noted gathering site, some variety would be nice. Perhaps there are rodmakers in the Chicago area that could coordinate the gathering. (Hint, hint) WI is fairly geographically central to major U.S. population centers; heck, we might even get folks driving over from Ontario and Manitoba, as well. Just a thought.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Larry Blan wrote: Hmmm... considering the amount of planning involved, Mountain Home mightnotbe a bad choice. The group is already familiar with the area, which isreally necessary in terms of planning something worthwhile. It isn't a oneman job, and we have a few members who know the ins and outs downthere. Itisn't completely central, but it's not that far off. Larry Blan from dybam@oct.net Sun Mar 17 13:04:57 2002 g2HJ4u803061 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:04:56 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas Communications, Inc. I vote for Branson.Mark----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Las Vegas Bill, I couldn't agree more. I am a native Californian, lived here my whole, will probably die here, and I have never been to Vegas. I live about 4 hours away and the thought to visit Las Vegas doesn't even cross my mind. Branson, now that would be a great place, and a place I have visited. Many many things for the Queen of the Domocile to visit and do while the men play with the bamboo. Outlet shops, restaurants, theater houses, etc., could fill up the days (or evenings) as alternative entertainment. Bass Pro Shop inSpringfield, MO was amazing, even the kids loved that one! Kyle In a message dated 03/17/2002 8:15:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, harms1@pa.net writes: Don't know how others feel about it, but of all the places I might want to visit, Las Vegas is so far down on my list that I haven't yet been able to scroll down to it. Cheers, Bill from kurt.clement@flashmail.com Sun Mar 17 13:21:20 2002 g2HJLJ803611 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:21:19 - 0000 Subject: Dropped from List? I think I got dropped from the list over the weekend. Had a great time at the Sowbug Roundup Saturday. Got to meet Bob =Nunley., Tony Spezio., M D, and Troy Miller. Great show Tony - I =learned a lot. Kurt Nixa, MO I think I got dropped from the list= weekend. Had a great time at the Sowbug = Tony - I learned a lot. Kurt Nixa, =MO from jteft@frontiernet.net Sun Mar 17 13:27:52 2002 g2HJRp803919 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:27:51 - 0000 Subject: Location I'd settle for Mtn. Home. Have to stay in Branson.Think I maybe still =wanted for a speeding violation, from my visit to Tony Spezio.Sent them =my money but they never sent me a receipt. Probably something to do with =the NY license plate and the Catch and Release Wild Trout. Got to get me =one that says Catch and Cook Catfish on it....:-)))))Jim T I'd settle for Mtn. Home. Have to stay in = Spezio.Sent them my money but they never sent me a receipt. Probably = to do with the NY license plate and the Catch and Release Wild Trout. = me one that says Catch and Cook Catfish on it....:-)))))Jim T from dnhayashida@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 13:58:13 2002 g2HJwD804807 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:58:13 - 17 Mar 2002 11:58:07 PST Subject: Re: Signature My preference for a signature is no signature at all.Why? Because I make cane rods to be used. If there isa signature with line weight on it people will look atit, read the signature, read the line weight, and putit back in it's fancy rod tube. Now if somebody pullsa cane rod out of a pvc tube, sees there is nosignature, no line weight, he is more likely to say"Well, lets see what line weight this rod casts.",take it out and lawn cast it. Hopefully he will say"Wow this thing casts pretty good. I wonder what it islike to fish with it. Hmmm.... no maker signature,can't be too expensive, I think I will try fishingwith it." If that happens just once, I'll be happy. The reality is with all the rods I've sold the buyerwanted it signed. But that doesn't stop me fromleaving my own rods unsigned.Darryl Hayashida --- Max wrote: Bret et al, I have a frustration to write a line weight # on arod.The reason is like this.I made a rod, for instnace, from the taper of PHYParabolic #17 which says#7 Wt.. Actually, however, it feels like #8 or #9wt when it is casted.Do you think I should sign #7 nevertheless? Orshould I sign as #8, or 9?Sometimes, it depends on the person who cast the rodand his selection of DTor WF which decidesthe line Wt, I guess. In this case, should we signlike WF 8, or DT 7?Any advise is appreciated. Max I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple of different ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them withsize, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one. Bret HREF="http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/">http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ A> __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from richjez@enteract.com Sun Mar 17 14:15:21 2002 g2HKFK805292 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:15:20 - Subject: Re: Las Vegas Reed, The area where Olaf lives is in southwestern Wisconsin. There is a lot of small and medium stream fishing in the area. There is big river fishing too if the Mississippi counts. Several of us have talked about meeting there before. Never got it together though. Maybe it is time to try again? Rich Jezioro At 01:02 PM 3/17/2002, Reed Curry wrote: Larry,I consulted a map and it appears that Cedar Rapids, IA is much more central. However, I was thinking that somewhere in Wisconsin (there is no Sin in Wisconsin) we might find an amenable spot. After all, Mtn. Home is already a noted gathering site, some variety would be nice. Perhaps there are rodmakers in the Chicago area that could coordinate the gathering. (Hint, hint)WI is fairly geographically central to major U.S. population centers; heck, we might even get folks driving over from Ontario and Manitoba, as well.Just a thought.Best regards,Reedhttp://www.overmywaders.com/ Larry Blan wrote: Hmmm... considering the amount of planning involved, Mountain Homemight notbe a bad choice. The group is already familiar with the area, which isreally necessary in terms of planning something worthwhile. It isn't a oneman job, and we have a few members who know the ins and outs downthere. Itisn't completely central, but it's not that far off.Larry Blan from flytyr@southshore.com Sun Mar 17 14:36:19 2002 g2HKaI805947 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:36:18 - g2HKaHO01227 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:36:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Dropped from List? It was all my pleasure.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Kurt Clement wrote: I think I got dropped from the list over theweekend. Had a great time at the Sowbug RoundupSaturday. Got to meet Bob Nunley., Tony Spezio.,M D, and Troy Miller. Great show Tony - Ilearned a lot. Kurt Nixa, MO from atlasc1@earthlink.net Sun Mar 17 14:36:35 2002 g2HKaY805960 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:36:34 - ([209.179.147.1] helo=computer) id 16mhOK-0002CB-00; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:36:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Signature Darryl, With my luck they would take the rod out and put a 4wt on 7wt rod or viceversa. Flyfishermen are so use to be told what to do if you leave off theline weight they cant get excited over the latest trend. Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Signature My preference for a signature is no signature at all.Why? Because I make cane rods to be used. If there isa signature with line weight on it people will look atit, read the signature, read the line weight, and putit back in it's fancy rod tube. Now if somebody pullsa cane rod out of a pvc tube, sees there is nosignature, no line weight, he is more likely to say"Well, lets see what line weight this rod casts.",take it out and lawn cast it. Hopefully he will say"Wow this thing casts pretty good. I wonder what it islike to fish with it. Hmmm.... no maker signature,can't be too expensive, I think I will try fishingwith it." If that happens just once, I'll be happy. The reality is with all the rods I've sold the buyerwanted it signed. But that doesn't stop me fromleaving my own rods unsigned.Darryl Hayashida --- Max wrote: Bret et al, I have a frustration to write a line weight # on arod.The reason is like this.I made a rod, for instnace, from the taper of PHYParabolic #17 which says#7 Wt.. Actually, however, it feels like #8 or #9wt when it is casted.Do you think I should sign #7 nevertheless? Orshould I sign as #8, or 9?Sometimes, it depends on the person who cast the rodand his selection of DTor WF which decidesthe line Wt, I guess. In this case, should we signlike WF 8, or DT 7?Any advise is appreciated. Max I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple of different ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them withsize, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one. Bret HREF="http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/">http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ > A> __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from HomeyDKlown@att.net Sun Mar 17 14:47:07 2002 g2HKl6806653 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:47:06 - ;Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:47:00 +0000 Subject: RE: Signature Darryl, I've fallen into that trap too. I made a Dawn Holbrook mod 310 for a nineweight line. After lots of experimentation, despite the 9wt. designation Iput on it, I found that it case anywhere from a WF6 to a WF8 with equalauthority. The nine was just too much for it and it wouldn't throw it withany kind of repeatable accuracy or distance. I started the 8WT saga with aWulff Triangle Taper and was happy with the result. Then I met Olaf Borgeat the Catskills Gathering last September. He loaned me a WF8 J. P.Thebault silk line that I fell in love with and bought. That's my "go to"line now for that rod. I guess my point here is that you shouldn't believewhat's written on the rod (or the taper specs), rather try different weightson either side of the fence. There are so many variables that go into anindividual rod that you shouldn't pin yourself down to one particular typeof line. Again, experimentation is the key concept here. I was pleasantlysurprised that a rod that nobody could cast at first turned out to be analmost stellar performer after it was paired with the right line type andweight. I still sign my rods, but I always try other weights too. That's just forme though. I would probably tell the recipient of one of my rods that it'ssupposed to cast this, but try "that" too. The last one that I made for afriend just turned out to be a perfect match for the weight it was supposedto cast. Fortunately, he was open minded enough to trust my judgement asfar as trying other lines went. We tried a bunch of other lines and heagreed that the spec'd weight was right for him too. Having said all that,I don't sell my rods commercially. I'm sure the "rules" are different inthat arena. Just my $0.02. Dennis -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Signature My preference for a signature is no signature at all.Why? Because I make cane rods to be used. If there isa signature with line weight on it people will look atit, read the signature, read the line weight, and putit back in it's fancy rod tube. Now if somebody pullsa cane rod out of a pvc tube, sees there is nosignature, no line weight, he is more likely to say"Well, lets see what line weight this rod casts.",take it out and lawn cast it. Hopefully he will say"Wow this thing casts pretty good. I wonder what it islike to fish with it. Hmmm.... no maker signature,can't be too expensive, I think I will try fishingwith it." If that happens just once, I'll be happy. The reality is with all the rods I've sold the buyerwanted it signed. But that doesn't stop me fromleaving my own rods unsigned.Darryl Hayashida --- Max wrote: Bret et al, I have a frustration to write a line weight # on arod.The reason is like this.I made a rod, for instnace, from the taper of PHYParabolic #17 which says#7 Wt.. Actually, however, it feels like #8 or #9wt when it is casted.Do you think I should sign #7 nevertheless? Orshould I sign as #8, or 9?Sometimes, it depends on the person who cast the rodand his selection of DTor WF which decidesthe line Wt, I guess. In this case, should we signlike WF 8, or DT 7?Any advise is appreciated. Max I was wondering how guys mark their rods. I have done it a couple of different ways. I have made up a code and I have just signed them withsize, weight, my name etc. Anyone got any neat ideas on this one. Bret HREF="http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/">http://bretsovens.bravepages.com/ A> __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveragehttp://sports.yahoo.com/ from dnhayashida@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 14:54:11 2002 g2HKsA806969 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:54:10 - 17 Mar 2002 12:54:10 PST Subject: Re: Signature I never believe the line weight written any rodsanyway. It's a good place to start, but I don't thinkI've ever used the same line weight as was written onthe rod. Except for the Superfine or Fullflex Orvisrods. Even cane rod makers tend to recommend lineweights that are too light. Of course it's all up towhat each person likes and how they cast.Darryl Hayashida --- Adam Vigil wrote: Darryl, With my luck they would take the rod out and put a4wt on 7wt rod or viceversa. Flyfishermen are so use to be told what to doif you leave off theline weight they cant get excited over the latesttrend. Adam----- Original Message -----From: "Darryl Hayashida" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 11:58 AMSubject: Re: Signature My preference for a signature is no signature at all. Why? Because I make cane rods to be used. If there is a signature with line weight on it people will look at it, read the signature, read the line weight, and put it back in it's fancy rod tube. Now if somebody pulls a cane rod out of a pvc tube, sees there is nosignature, no line weight, he is more likely