from bob@downandacross.com Thu Apr 11 16:11:18 2002 g3BLBF427988 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:11:15 -0500 11 Apr 2002 17:10:00 -0400 "Rodmakers discussion group" Subject: RE: Planing Forum Steve:It is $20 (no increase), and I need to get my butt in gear and send Ron acheck.Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: Planing Forum Is it still just $15 for a subscription? Regards, Steve Steve: Bob TrauthweinSent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:30 = Forum subscription? Steve from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Thu Apr 11 19:01:48 2002 g3C01l403860 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:01:47 -0500 by direct-pest.com [208.27.26.103] for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:16:44 -0400 "Rodmakers discussion group" Subject: Wandashin Star Splitter has finished some of the Star Splitters that we were talking about =earlier on the list. And, to let you all know a little more about Tom, he worked at Winston = all see Glen Brackett using in the video. One major advantage of these =splitters over the one's Glen uses, these have removable blades for =sharpening and to allow other configurations. These will split 18 strips with all the blades loaded. You can do =multiple configurations just by removing blades. Also, for those of you who had asked earlier on the mailing list, the =splitter you see on Richard Wolfe's website was made by Tom Wandashin. =The one Richard has only cuts a maximum of 13 strips. The 18 strip =splitter is a new concept. I am still trying to get a group order together. I have about 3 =commitments. Tom has agreed to sell these to us at $550.00 plus $25.00 = I know that some of you griped about the price, but if you look at it as =a permanent part of you tool inventory then you will realize that it is =an investment in a quality tool to make your rodmaking experience more =delightful.] Should you want to order one on this group plan, email me at =jcbyrd@direct- pest.com I want to get this order completed by the end of =April. Thanks Joe P.S. Standard disclaimers apply. No financial interest, etc. Just =want to get one of these tools myself and help others in the meantime. and a cigar in the other....."What a Great Life". Visit my bamboo Technologies has finished some of the Star Splitters that we were = earlier on the list. And, to let you all know a little more about Tom, he = Winston for years, and so he definitely knows about the star splitter = splitters over the one's Glen uses, these have removable blades for = and to allow other configurations. These will split 18 strips with all the blades = You can do multiple configurations just by removing blades. Also, for those of you who had asked earlier on the = 18 strip splitter is a new concept. I am still trying to get a group order = = I know that some of you griped about the price, but = look at it as a permanent part of you tool inventory then you will = it is an investment in a quality tool to make your rodmaking experience = delightful.] Should you want to order one on this group plan, = jcbyrd@direct- to get this order completed by the end of April. Thanks Joe in the meantime. http://www.direct-pest.com/r= from caneman@clnk.com Thu Apr 11 19:10:11 2002 g3C0AA404221 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:10:10 - (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61365U2500L250S0V35) Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:07:17 -0500 Subject: TeSt Is it this slow in here, or did I get bumped? R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com Is it this slow in here, or did I get bumped? R.L. Nunley, RodmakerCustom Split Cane Flyrodshttp://www.caneflyrod.com from Lazybee45@aol.com Thu Apr 11 19:36:02 2002 g3C0a1405122 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:36:01 - Subject: Re: Books.. In a message dated 4/11/02 9:59:30 AM Central Daylight Time, partrick@intrex.net writes: Iwill have to look at that, but I am badly enamored with about anything John Gierach has written! I am a HUGE fan of his! Particularly since he and I have a lot of things in common, He calls himself "an Aging Hippy" I am an Aging Hippy, He graduated with a degree in Philosophy, I was a philosophy major until I got so philosophical and asked what the heck I was doing in college and dropped out. Also, i like his writing style! He even is informative! "Good FLies" is a good book! But so is "Rat Lake", and the rest too mark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://woodartcustom.freeservers.com or http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from TSmithwick@aol.com Thu Apr 11 19:54:10 2002 g3C0s9405752 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:54:09 - Subject: Re: leonard baby Catskill In a message dated 4/11/2 12:36:46 PM, rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: Bob, This was measured over varnish a long time ago. You will have to figure out ferrule lengths, as did not note them. Section length is 28 1/2" tip0- .0685- .08010-.09515-.10420-.12225-.128at ferrule -.137 midat ferrule - .1405- .14310-.15515-.16920-.17425-.183at ferrule .190 buttat ferrule .1955 -.19810-.20515-.21320-.340 3 3/8" reel seat, .650 dia; 4 1/2" grip, .700 dia at reel seat, .750 in center, .250 at rod shaft. from edriddle@mindspring.com Thu Apr 11 20:22:44 2002 g3C1Mh406554 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:22:43 - helo=oemcomputer) id 16vplt-00000q-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:22:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Books.. I read Camuto's "..Blue Ridge" book several years ago (still have it), and Iagree it's a good read. His getting over the fear of snakes and blackbears...( constantly looking down and over his shoulder) is the messagethat stuck with me. I've read and have retained all of Gierach's books(except the last couple) and have enjoyed them very much; especially, "FlyFishing Small Streams" and (surprise!!) "Fishing Bamboo". I recommend Harry Middleton's books starting with "The Earth is Enough"followed by "On the Spine of Time" and "Rivers of Memory". He left us toosoon. Ed ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Books.. In a message dated 4/11/02 9:59:30 AM Central Daylight Time,partrick@intrex.net writes: Ridge." What beautiful, lyrical prose... come to think of it... I need to re-read that.... >> Iwill have to look at that, but I am badly enamored with about anything John Gierach has written! I am a HUGE fan of his! Particularly since he and Ihave a lot of things in common, He calls himself "an Aging Hippy" I am an Aging Hippy, He graduated with a degree in Philosophy, I was a philosophymajor until I got so philosophical and asked what the heck I was doing incollege and dropped out. Also, i like his writing style! He even isinformative! "Good FLies" is a good book! But so is "Rat Lake", and therest too mark visit Wood Art Custom Designshttp://woodartcustom.freeservers.com or http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! from KyleDruey@aol.com Thu Apr 11 21:23:55 2002 g3C2Ns407907 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:23:54 - Subject: Re: Books.. Since you mentioned Gierach, I was wondering what listers think of his book "Fishing Bamboo". I just finished reading it and I thought it was a good read. A couple of excerpts that jumped out: p. 47 "The difference between a bad taper and and a good taper you justdont get is pretty hard to describe. I'll say that some of the Paul Young parabolic rods are sort of beyond me, probably because they're toodemanding, but if I fool with one long enough it will sooner or later show me how its supposed to work, and it works gloriously. Trouble is, I want a rod that allows for a little more slop". p. 33 "But then there are also lots of rod makers who meticulously hand plane their splines using a planing form. Builders who work this way say it makes a difference: that hand planing follows the grain in the bamboo more closely, so you dont get fibers that are sawn off abruptly at the edges of the rods flat splines. They say the action of a hand planed rod is more fluid and that the method is more respectful of the material. A maker who hand planes his rods told me recently, "With a milling machine, the bamboo comes off in chunks and sawdust. With a plane it domes off in one slowcurl." p. 86 "The one thing ive learned is that the price of a rod doesnt reflect necessarily its real value. Ill never forget the day I got to cast a real, rod Id ever gotten my hands on and when I walked out on the owner lawn with it and began to cast, I thought the sky would open up, a shaft of light would descent, and everything would suddently become clear. What became clearwas that I was casting a perfectly serviceable 6-weight rod, maybe a little on the slow side for my taste." Kyle In a message dated 04/11/2002 5:36:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Lazybee45@aol.com writes: In a message dated 4/11/02 9:59:30 AM Central Daylight Time, partrick@intrex.net writes:Ridge." What beautiful, lyrical prose... come to think of it... I need to re-read that.... >>Iwill have to look at that, but I am badly enamored with about anything John Gierach has written! I am a HUGE fan of his! Particularly since he and I have a lot of things in common, He calls himself "an Aging Hippy" I am an Aging Hippy, He graduated with a degree in Philosophy, I was a philosophy major until I got so philosophical and asked what the heck I was doing in college and dropped out. Also, i like his writing style! He even is informative! "Good FLies" is a good book! But so is "Rat Lake", and the rest toomark visit Wood Art Custom Designs http://woodartcustom.freeservers.comorhttp://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.htmlHand crafted items made to order! - ---------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xh03.mx.aol.com (rly-xh03.mail.aol.com Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:36:44 -0500 rly- Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:36:30 -0400 g3C0aP405166; Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com g3C0a1405122 Received: from Lazybee45@aol.com From: Lazybee45@aol.comMessage-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:35:38 EDTSubject: Re: Books.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN from KyleDruey@aol.com Thu Apr 11 21:26:54 2002 g3C2Qr408131 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:26:53 - for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:26:40 - Subject: Polishing Varnish List, What are some of the ways you recommend finishing off an oil-based spar varnish job and putting a good polish on it? Kyle from channer@frontier.net Thu Apr 11 21:51:41 2002 g3C2pf408948 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:51:41 - for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:51:59 - Subject: Re: Polishing Varnish Kyle, Leave it alone if possible, if you have some flaws to rub out, I like3-M's Finesse-It II and Perfect-It II rubbing and polishing compounds.john KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: List, What are some of the ways you recommend finishing off an oil-based sparvarnish job and putting a good polish on it? Kyle from dongreife@hotmail.com Thu Apr 11 22:31:42 2002 g3C3Vf410148 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:31:41 - Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:31:36 -0700 HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:31:36 GMT Subject: Re: silk thread size A FILETIME=[8CAB8FC0:01C1E1D2] John,,If memory serves me right,,most silk sizes we would find ofinterest are measured in some dumb measurement called denier,,and theseare 50 and 100. These numbers correspond to sizes "00" and "000". Size"00" is just a tad smaller that size "A" nylon. Size "000" silk makes a reallynice wrap for cane ( or plastic) rods. Don Greife wraps on bamboo 00)? thanks, Join the world's largest e-mail servicewith MSN Hotmail. ClickHere from bennetts@cybermesa.com Thu Apr 11 22:32:20 2002 g3C3WH410250 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:32:17 - Subject: Re: Honing Jigs Don, Could you please tell me more about the "SiC PSA micro-abrasives"? Thanks, Scott ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Honing Jigs Mark, Everything in the package is made of metal. The honung jig is very well made and works well. The angle guide is also made of metal. How accurate is it? I have no idea,but it does give you a place to start. I use the 15, 5 & 0.5 micron SiC PSA micro-abrasives mounted on a glassblock to hone the edge. I've found a shot of WD-40 on the abrasive helpskeep it clean. Having the secondary bevel speeds up the touch-up sharping, cutting lessmetal on the blade. I'm pleased with the whole system.Don----- Original Message -----From: "Mark Wendt" Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:30 AMSubject: Re: Honing Jigs Harry, According to the web site, it included the jig, angle guide andinstructions. from crmitchell@ocsonline.com Thu Apr 11 22:34:33 2002 g3C3YW410586 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:34:32 - helo=ocsonline.com) id 16vrna-0007rR-00 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:32:32 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 Subject: Provo River Anybody in the SLC area? Will it be worth the hassle of taking gear for one day, considering the airline situation? from bob@downandacross.com Thu Apr 11 22:39:38 2002 g3C3db410981 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:39:38 - Subject: RE: Polishing Varnish I use Meguire's #7 and then follow with #9. I think one is label "ShowroomHand Glaze" and the other "Swirl Remover." I bought my supply at the localPep Boys automotive supply store. I like the results. If you sand out somenasties with 1500, you can get the shine back. I really do not worry as muchabout dust anymore because I know it is manageable afterwards anyway.Cautious, but not crazy about it. No nylon running suits here (ala JackHowell's).Bob PS., The 3M Finesse It and Perfect It polishes work well too, but I have notused them personally. -----Original Message----- Subject: Polishing Varnish List, What are some of the ways you recommend finishing off an oil-based sparvarnish job and putting a good polish on it? Kyle from avyoung@iinet.net.au Thu Apr 11 23:23:57 2002 g3C4Nt411982 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:23:55 - rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Books.. It's just one man's opinion and much of it is based on who he sees as having most of the answers as far as rodmaking goes.Most on this list would be hand planing (I think) and would like to agree with p.33 but the short grain theory is rubbish. It comes from the true fact that riven wood that is turned to make chair legs such as Windsor chairs is a LOT stronger than sawn because grain will run out in sawn timber.Bamboo when used in rods as most people make them now isn't really likethat. First, it isn't wood so the "grain" runs straight between nodes and any kinks and doglegs happen from node to node not the bamboo between them. There are no branches on the original growing bamboo on only one side as a tree has them and no bends and twists in the way the bamboo grew as a tree does. True the bamboo does not grow straight as an arrow but it's muchmore straight than 90% of any hardwood tree you'd ever see out side of a rainforrest.After splitting any bends and dog legs etc are straightened one way or another before being planed or milled so the "grain" is pretty straight from here on.When the long strands of whatever it is "grain" for want of the right name reaches the node it sort of bumps and bends but remains intact so a straightened spline planed or milled it makes no difference unless you're starting off with a very wide piece of bamboo, milling it parallel then tapering it.Doing it this way there is a very good chance you'd have splines that do have "grain" run out but even then the nodes are so strong it's hard to see any strength problems occurring. p.86 It cuts both ways. Great looking lousy rods and poor looking fishing instruments. Tony At 10:23 PM 4/11/02 -0400, KyleDruey@aol.com wrote: Since you mentioned Gierach, I was wondering what listers think of his book"Fishing Bamboo". I just finished reading it and I thought it was a goodread. A couple of excerpts that jumped out: p. 47 "The difference between a bad taper and and a good taper you justdontget is pretty hard to describe. I'll say that some of the Paul Youngparabolic rods are sort of beyond me, probably because they're toodemanding,but if I fool with one long enough it will sooner or later show me how itssupposed to work, and it works gloriously. Trouble is, I want a rod thatallows for a little more slop". p. 33 "But then there are also lots of rod makers who meticulously handplane their splines using a planing form. Builders who work this way say itmakes a difference: that hand planing follows the grain in the bamboo moreclosely, so you dont get fibers that are sawn off abruptly at the edges ofthe rods flat splines. They say the action of a hand planed rod is morefluid and that the method is more respectful of the material. A maker whohand planes his rods told me recently, "With a milling machine, the bamboocomes off in chunks and sawdust. With a plane it domes off in one slowcurl." p. 86 "The one thing ive learned is that the price of a rod doesnt reflectnecessarily its real value. Ill never forget the day I got to cast a real, rod Id ever gotten my hands on and when I walked out on the owner lawnwithit and began to cast, I thought the sky would open up, a shaft of light woulddescent, and everything would suddently become clear. What became clearwasthat I was casting a perfectly serviceable 6-weight rod, maybe a little onthe slow side for my taste." Kyle In a message dated 04/11/2002 5:36:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,Lazybee45@aol.com writes: In a message dated 4/11/02 9:59:30 AM Central Daylight Time,partrick@intrex.net writes: Ridge." What beautiful, lyrical prose... come to think of it... I need to re-read that.... >> Iwill have to look at that, but I am badly enamored with about anything John Gierach has written! I am a HUGE fan of his! Particularly since he and I have a lot of things in common, He calls himself "an Aging Hippy" I am an Aging Hippy, He graduated with a degree in Philosophy, I was a philosophymajor until I got so philosophical and asked what the heck I was doing incollege and dropped out. Also, i like his writing style! He even isinformative! "Good FLies" is a good book! But so is "Rat Lake", and therest too mark visit Wood Art Custom Designshttp://woodartcustom.freeservers.com or http://hometown.aol.com/lazybee45/myhomepage/business.html Hand crafted items made to order! ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------Return-Path: Received: from rly-xh03.mx.aol.com (rly-xh03.mail.aol.com 0411203644; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:36:44 -0500 rly- 0411203630; Thu, 11Apr 2002 20:36:30 -0400 g3C0aP405166; Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com g3C0a1405122 Received: from Lazybee45@aol.com From: Lazybee45@aol.comMessage-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:35:38 EDTSubject: Re: Books.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduX-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Fawkes Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from homes-sold@attbi.com Thu Apr 11 23:31:59 2002 g3C4Vw412361 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:31:58 - Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:31:52 +0000 Subject: Re: leonard baby Catskill What is the line wt for this rod?TIA, Don----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: leonard baby Catskill In a message dated 4/11/2 12:36:46 PM, rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: Bob, This was measured over varnish a long time ago. You will have to figureout ferrule lengths, as did not note them. Section length is 28 1/2" tip0- .0685- .08010-.09515-.10420-.12225-.128at ferrule -.137 midat ferrule - .1405- .14310-.15515-.16920-.17425-.183at ferrule .190 buttat ferrule .1955 -.19810-.20515-.21320-.340 3 3/8" reel seat, .650 dia; 4 1/2" grip, .700 dia at reel seat, .750 incenter, .250 at rod shaft. from homes-sold@attbi.com Thu Apr 11 23:49:55 2002 g3C4nt413905 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:49:55 - Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:49:49 +0000 Subject: Fw: Honing Jigs Scott, Developed for industrial use "SiC PSA micro-abrasives" are an abrasive onmylar with a sticky backing. 15 micron = 1000x, 5 micron = 2500x, .5micron= 9000x. Good stuff.Don----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Honing Jigs Don, Could you please tell me more about the "SiC PSA micro-abrasives"? Thanks, Scott ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Honing Jigs Mark, Everything in the package is made of metal. The honung jig is very well made and works well. The angle guide is also made of metal. How accurate is it? I have no idea,but it does give you a place to start. I use the 15, 5 & 0.5 micron SiC PSA micro-abrasives mounted on a glassblock to hone the edge. I've found a shot of WD-40 on the abrasive helpskeep it clean. Having the secondary bevel speeds up the touch-up sharping, cutting lessmetal on the blade. I'm pleased with the whole system.Don----- Original Message -----From: "Mark Wendt" Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:30 AMSubject: Re: Honing Jigs Harry, According to the web site, it included the jig, angle guide andinstructions. from bennetts@cybermesa.com Fri Apr 12 00:49:12 2002 g3C5nB416387 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:49:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Honing Jigs Don, Do you know where I can get some? Scott ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Fw: Honing Jigs Scott, Developed for industrial use "SiC PSA micro-abrasives" are an abrasive onmylar with a sticky backing. 15 micron = 1000x, 5 micron = 2500x, .5 micron = 9000x. Good stuff.Don from ddeloach@pcisys.net Fri Apr 12 01:53:36 2002 g3C6ra417314 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:53:36 -0500 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:53:34 -0600 env- from (ddeloach@pcisys.net) Subject: Guillermo's Leaders I just rec'd my furled leaders from Guillermo via John K and boy do theylook great...very high quality I can't wait to cast em tomorrow on theArkansas recommended? Seems to me that with the softer turnover that longertippetsmight not do so well, especially in wind. thoughts?ThxDon from dannyt@frisurf.no Fri Apr 12 02:08:06 2002 g3C785417797 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:08:05 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: Guillermo's Leaders It will turn over a looong tippet with ease and presision, even inwind........danny> For those w/ experience with these leaders, how long of atippet is recommended? Seems to me that with the softer turnover that longertippetsmight not do so well, especially in wind. from ajthramer@hotmail.com Fri Apr 12 02:19:05 2002 g3C7J4418207 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:19:04 -0500 Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:18:59 -0700 Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:18:50 GMT Subject: Re: silk thread size A FILETIME=[507E6340:01C1E1F2] Something else to remember is how flat the thread lays on the rod. Seems to have something to do with the twist of the thread. While Naples might have more wraps in a given space than say BC 'A' I have found that the BC will fill with fewer coats that the Naples. It seems to flatten out like floss. Just another variable to fuss over.A.J. From: "Eamon Lee" Subject: Re: silk thread size ADate: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:56:54 -0400 I love using Size A Silk, especially vintage Belding-Corticelli, Paragon,Richardson, etc...The only problem is nailing a color that you can get abunch of. ($$$) It's easy to work with and I usually tip with Naples or Gossamer. Get onebay, but be warned, bidding against those grizzled sewing chicks can bebrutal! Eamon _________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com from homes-sold@attbi.com Fri Apr 12 04:36:10 2002 g3C9aA419679 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:36:10 -0500 ;Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:36:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Honing Jigs Scott,Got mine from http://www.leevalley.com/home/main.asp search for item#54K93.02There is a lot of other information on the product there. Mounted mine on aglass block and use the honing guide on the same page of the catalog. The Sharpening System is item# 05M02.10 Unlike Harry, I don't have any problems using the Angle Guide, I have 3hands and a lot of determination :>)Don ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Honing Jigs Don, Do you know where I can get some? Scott ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Fw: Honing Jigs Scott, Developed for industrial use "SiC PSA micro-abrasives" are an abrasive onmylar with a sticky backing. 15 micron = 1000x, 5 micron = 2500x, .5 micron = 9000x. Good stuff.Don from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Apr 12 06:17:23 2002 g3CBHM420837 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:17:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Guillermo's Leaders A few feet at least.These really are good leaders. I actually like tying my own but it seems a bit pointless with these around. They work well and don't cost much either. Tony At 12:51 AM 4/12/02 -0600, Don DeLoach wrote: I just rec'd my furled leaders from Guillermo via John K and boy do theylook great...very high quality I can't wait to cast em tomorrow on theArkansas recommended? Seems to me that with the softer turnover that longertippetsmight not do so well, especially in wind. thoughts?ThxDon /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Fawkes Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from pabix@aol.com Fri Apr 12 06:43:48 2002 g3CBhl421339 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:43:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Guillermo's Leaders How do you go about getting some? How do you go about gettingsome? from channer@frontier.net Fri Apr 12 07:12:38 2002 g3CCCb421930 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:12:37 -0500 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:12:39 -0600 Subject: "shimmers" Guys;The "shimmers", as I call them, you know, micro bubbles, whatever, aremaking me crazy!So far I've tried hot varnish, a drop of thinner on themfirst, 2 coats of Damar varnish followed by another of spar while stillwet, flooding the wraps with varnish then hitting them again in as soonas the first coat soaks in, all to no avail. While each of these hashelped some, the bubbles just won't go away! I mostly use 3/0 YLI, andfind that MOW causes the least problems with it, but I'm wondering ifanyone else has had any outstanding success with any particularcombinations of thread and varnish. Please don't tell me that I'm goingto have to break down and learn how to get along with Gossamer or spend10 bucks a drop on some special varnish formula! And why doesn't nylonget these bubbles when you put epoxy on it, and it does when I usevarnish? I've been starring at G rods till I'm cross eyed, and I don'tsee shimmers in them at all.Frustrated in Durango from TSmithwick@aol.com Fri Apr 12 07:28:42 2002 g3CCSf422423 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:28:41 -0500 12 Apr 2002 08:28:29 -0400 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: leonard baby Catskill Don - To the best of my recollection it was a 4 weight, but it might have beena 3, also. I never cast the rod, just did some repair work, and got themeasurements in the process. from avyoung@iinet.net.au Fri Apr 12 07:32:13 2002 g3CCWA422660 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:32:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Guillermo's Leaders Martin at"Jojo DeLancier" is doing them in the US I believe. TY At 07:42 AM 4/12/02 -0400, pabix@aol.com wrote: How do you go about getting some? /*************************************************************************/AV Young Visit my web site at: www.iinet.net.au/~avyoung/flyrod.html There was only ever one good man in Parlament and he was Guy Fawkes Patrick Moore /*************************************************************************/ from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Apr 12 07:59:46 2002 g3CCxj423426 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:59:45 -0500 g3CCxgO28548; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:59:42 -0500 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: "shimmers" Just a thought,It works on Epoxy. Run a hair dryer over the wrap after applying thevarnish. This warms the trapped air and makes it come to the surface andoutof the epoxy.What I do with the Gudebrod finish (water base varnish) I use is saturatethe wrap then wipe the wrap with a paper towel. That removes the excessfinish. This leaves the wrap real smooth. I don't get any fuzzies from thepaper towel. It should work with regular varnish too.I also use 3/0 YLI thread for most rods.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com channer wrote: Guys;The "shimmers", as I call them, you know, micro bubbles, whatever, aremaking me crazy!So far I've tried hot varnish, a drop of thinner on themfirst, 2 coats of Damar varnish followed by another of spar while stillwet, flooding the wraps with varnish then hitting them again in as soonas the first coat soaks in, all to no avail. While each of these hashelped some, the bubbles just won't go away! I mostly use 3/0 YLI, andfind that MOW causes the least problems with it, but I'm wondering ifanyone else has had any outstanding success with any particularcombinations of thread and varnish. Please don't tell me that I'm goingto have to break down and learn how to get along with Gossamer or spend10 bucks a drop on some special varnish formula! And why doesn't nylonget these bubbles when you put epoxy on it, and it does when I usevarnish? I've been starring at G rods till I'm cross eyed, and I don'tsee shimmers in them at all.Frustrated in Durango from pabix@aol.com Fri Apr 12 08:13:07 2002 g3CDD7424032 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:13:07 -0500 Subject: Re: "shimmers" rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu I used a rod turner and MOW spar thinned with mineral spirits. One part mineral s to four parts spar. I then applied the varnish as the rod turned using those stim-u-dent tooth picks that you can get at a drugstore. Put on about 4 coats and they come out like glass. I found that i had more "shimmers" when I tried to use a small sable brush. I will also add that there are a lot of suggestions in the archives on how to do this. I have only built 2 rods so far but this worked for me. I used a rod turner and MOW spar thinned withmineral spirits. One part mineral s to four parts spar. I then applied thevarnish as the rod turned using those stim-u-dent tooth picks that you canget at a drugstore. Put on about 4 coats and they come out like glass. Ifound that i had more "shimmers" when I tried to use a small sable brush. Iwill also add that there are a lot of suggestions in the archives on how to do from jojo@ipa.net Fri Apr 12 08:44:32 2002 g3CDiW425410 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:44:32 -0500 helo=default) id 16w1Lk-00034D-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:44:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Guillermo's Leaders Not quite. While Guillermo and I are good friends, and I try to help all I can,John Kenealy atmtnvalleyflies@mtnvalleyflies.com is handling all of the List requests. John isanother good friend.I surely do have some good friends on this List. ;o) M-D Martin at"Jojo DeLancier" is doing them in the US I believe. TY At 07:42 AM 4/12/02 -0400, pabix@aol.com wrote: How do you go about getting some? from horsesho@ptd.net Fri Apr 12 10:35:32 2002 g3CFZV402151 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:35:31 -0500 by uid 50002 with qmail-scanner-1.10 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4195. .Clear:0. Processed in 0.912629 secs); 12 Apr 2002 15:35:31 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: leonard baby Catskill I think the Baby Catskill Bob is talking about is the 36L. 6' 2/2 1 oz. #1/2 line. Marty TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: Don - To the best of my recollection it was a 4 weight, but it might havebeen a 3, also. I never cast the rod, just did some repair work, and got themeasurements in the process. from dati@selway.umt.edu Fri Apr 12 10:43:28 2002 g3CFhR402819 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:43:27 - for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:43:26 - Subject: off topic (pocket knives) I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic question. What is the best $20.00 pocket knife for generalpurpose use. Thanks,Darin Law from partrick@intrex.net Fri Apr 12 10:44:43 2002 g3CFig402972 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:44:42 -0500 Subject: Stanley Tools Fellow rodmakers,I think I am being somewhat of a curmudgeon but I'm disturbed at the StanleyTool Co. It's more than a political question but perhaps important. I understand Stanley is moving its headquarters to Bermuda! It is a movethat is directly related to taxation of corporate structures. Nothing newbut rather than paying many millions of dollars in taxes to the ourgovernment, Stanley is choosing to move to Bermuda where it will pay manymillions less to the Bermuda government. I don't know where I could pose such a question to so many expert hand planeusers. I also consider this group some of the best tool users in existenceand therefore I pick on you all to comment on this question. Should we be concerned about such things? At first glance it may be saidthat it's a way of lowering the cost of tools to the consumer but on theother hand, are tool users likely to see any reduction in cost to them whenthey purchase tools? One thing that bothers me is that large corporationsdodge their responsibility of paying taxes while leaving it to the commonman/woman to pay the taxes and make up the difference for that thecorporations that have headquarters offshore don't. I mean to provoke thought... and stimulate discussion.. Thanks for your comment, Jerry from dmanders@telusplanet.net Fri Apr 12 11:03:24 2002 g3CG3N404843 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:03:23 -0500 (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with Subject: Why LN#2 rather than #1 Guys, Before I plunk my money down, why would I go for # 2 rather than # 1?Seems like a slighter shorter sole would make clamping/holding the stripeasier. Thanx, Don ffff,0000,0000http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from James.Hatch@METROKC.GOV Fri Apr 12 11:04:11 2002 g3CG45404967 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:04:06 - id ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:04:04 -0700 RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: off topic (pocket knives) this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. I think Case knives are still good buy, though they typically run a bithigher than $20. I had an old Case favorite taken away at the airportrecently - my own fault, but boy was I bummed out to lose it. Jock -----Original Message----- Subject: off topic (pocket knives) I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic question. What is the best $20.00 pocket knife for generalpurpose use. Thanks,Darin Law RE: off topic (pocket knives) I think Case knives are still good buy, though they = taken away at the airport recently - my own fault, but boy was I bummed = -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: off topic (pocket knives) I value your opinions and since it is Friday I =thought I would ask an pocket knife for generalpurpose use. Thanks,Darin Law from pvansch@wethersfield.k12.ct.us Fri Apr 12 11:21:21 2002 g3CGLK406312 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:21:20 -0500 Subject: RE: Stanley Tools Being a Connecticut resident, Home of Stanley Tools, my best guess would bethis is a corporate attempt at a tax break, the governor likes to do that,then plead poverty and raise our income tax, alcohol tax, cigarette tax, gastax, breathing air tax, your still alive today tax. But then, I'd move toBermuda if they offered me a job there!! Pete -----Original Message----- Subject: Stanley Tools Fellow rodmakers,I think I am being somewhat of a curmudgeon but I'm disturbed at the StanleyTool Co. It's more than a political question but perhaps important. I understand Stanley is moving its headquarters to Bermuda! It is a movethat is directly related to taxation of corporate structures. Nothing newbut rather than paying many millions of dollars in taxes to the ourgovernment, Stanley is choosing to move to Bermuda where it will pay manymillions less to the Bermuda government. I don't know where I could pose such a question to so many expert hand planeusers. I also consider this group some of the best tool users in existenceand therefore I pick on you all to comment on this question. Should we be concerned about such things? At first glance it may be saidthat it's a way of lowering the cost of tools to the consumer but on theother hand, are tool users likely to see any reduction in cost to them whenthey purchase tools? One thing that bothers me is that large corporationsdodge their responsibility of paying taxes while leaving it to the commonman/woman to pay the taxes and make up the difference for that thecorporations that have headquarters offshore don't. I mean to provoke thought... and stimulate discussion.. Thanks for your comment, Jerry from tim.watson@watsonsrods.co.uk Fri Apr 12 11:31:00 2002 g3CGUx406958 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:30:59 - ([195.72.168.228] helo=sysmtim) id 16w3w4-0006cD-00; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:30:05 +0100 Subject: RE: off topic (pocket knives) Without doubt my favourite is the Opinel range made in France (don't knowwho distributes in the US). Round wooden handles don't slip when wet.Rotating collar locks the blade in place and the steel of the blade can bebrought up to scalpel sharp and stays there, not like a lot of the knivesyou buy now. Good range of sizes as well.Tim -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: off topic (pocket knives) I think Case knives are still good buy, though they typically run a bithigher than $20. I had an old Case favorite taken away at the airportrecently - my own fault, but boy was I bummed out to lose it. Jock-----Original Message---- - Subject: off topic (pocket knives) I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic question. What is the best $20.00 pocket knife for generalpurpose use.Thanks,Darin Law RE: off topic (pocket knives) DocumentEmail Wi=thoutdoubt my favourite is the Opinel range made in France (don’t know =who Round Rotating collar locks the blade in place and the steel of the =blade canbe brought up to scalpel sharp and stays there, not like a lot of the =knives =of sizesas well. Ti=m -----OriginalMessage-----From:owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu = Sent: 12 April 2002 =17:04 'dati@selway.umt.edu';RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: off topic =(pocketknives) I think Case knives are still =good buy, favorite taken away at the airport recently - my own fault, but boy was =I -----Original =Message----- Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: off topic (pocket knives) I value your opinions and since =it isFriday I thought I would ask an knife forgeneral = purpose use. Thanks, Darin Law from bassflyrodder@hotmail.com Fri Apr 12 11:32:30 2002 g3CGWT407156 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:32:29 -0500 Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:32:20 -0700 HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:32:20 GMT rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Stanley Tools FILETIME=[9DE2D470:01C1E23F] Isn't it ironic that one reason the original colonies revolted from Britain was because of being over taxed. Look at us now taxed to death go figure. I heard on the news yesterday that the state of California has a group that is trying to put a tax on soda and other sugar drinks because they claim they are making the kids fat. I guess they have to go after something else now they have taxed cigarettes to the point too many people of quit. How about a tax on stupidity? Well I guess that would never be approved because it would make most of the politicians poor. Tight lines, Pete From: "Peter Van Schaack" Subject: RE: Stanley ToolsDate: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:23:40 -0400 Being a Connecticut resident, Home of Stanley Tools, my best guess wouldbethis is a corporate attempt at a tax break, the governor likes to do that,then plead poverty and raise our income tax, alcohol tax, cigarette tax, gastax, breathing air tax, your still alive today tax. But then, I'd move toBermuda if they offered me a job there!! Pete -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Stanley Tools Fellow rodmakers,I think I am being somewhat of a curmudgeon but I'm disturbed at the StanleyTool Co. It's more than a political question but perhaps important. I understand Stanley is moving its headquarters to Bermuda! It is a movethat is directly related to taxation of corporate structures. Nothing newbut rather than paying many millions of dollars in taxes to the ourgovernment, Stanley is choosing to move to Bermuda where it will pay manymillions less to the Bermuda government. I don't know where I could pose such a question to so many expert hand planeusers. I also consider this group some of the best tool users in existenceand therefore I pick on you all to comment on this question. Should we be concerned about such things? At first glance it may be saidthat it's a way of lowering the cost of tools to the consumer but on theother hand, are tool users likely to see any reduction in cost to them whenthey purchase tools? One thing that bothers me is that large corporationsdodge their responsibility of paying taxes while leaving it to the commonman/woman to pay the taxes and make up the difference for that thecorporations that have headquarters offshore don't. I mean to provoke thought... and stimulate discussion.. Thanks for your comment, Jerry _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com from lblove@omniglobal.net Fri Apr 12 11:34:04 2002 g3CGY3407451 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:34:03 -0500 0000 Subject: cheap strippers Okay people, I figured the subject line would get some attention. what is the cheapest stripping guide you guys would put on a cane rod rods up to now but have two that, well are not deserving of suchquality hardware(I know I'm a cheap skate). Any suggestions? tiaBrad from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Apr 12 11:39:17 2002 g3CGdG408134 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:39:16 -0500 g3CGdAO19560 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:39:11 -0500 Subject: Lathe Someone on the list mentioned that Harbor Freighthad a 7X12 mini lathe.Homer Truck Sales also had the 7X12. Homer is outof them and don't know when they will get more. Atone time I did find the 7X12 listed on HF butdon't see it now. Can I get the Item # from theperson that posted the info if you have it.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com. from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Fri Apr 12 11:48:38 2002 g3CGmc408960 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:48:38 -0500 Subject: Re: cheap strippers Pac Bay makes a nice carboloy stripper for around $5. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: cheap strippers Okay people, I figured the subject line would get some attention. what is the cheapest stripping guide you guys would put on a cane rod rods up to now but have two that, well are not deserving of suchquality hardware(I know I'm a cheap skate). Any suggestions? tiaBrad from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Fri Apr 12 11:49:30 2002 g3CGnU409133 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:49:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Why LN#2 rather than #1 I find the #1 too small to hold comfortably. But I'm 6'3" with big =hands. Brian Subject: Why LN#2 rather than #1 Guys, Before I plunk my money down, why would I go for # 2 rather than # 1? =Seems like a slighter shorter sole would make clamping/holding the strip =easier. Thanx, Don I find the #1 too small to hold = But I'm 6'3" with big hands. Brian ----- Original Message ----- & Sandy Andersen Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 = PMSubject: Why LN#2 rather than =#1Guys,Before I plunk my money down, why would I= =easier.Thanx,Donhttp://www= from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Fri Apr 12 11:54:27 2002 g3CGsQ409620 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:54:26 - , Subject: Re: off topic (pocket knives) RE: off topic (pocket knives)You can buy them at Garret Wade Tools for =less than $20. Nice knife. I like Victorianox Swiss Army Knives (more =than $20) and my old, 2 blade, Old Timer Muskrat Skinner (Haven't seen =one for sale in a while). Brian Subject: RE: off topic (pocket knives) Without doubt my favourite is the Opinel range made in France (don't =know who distributes in the US). Round wooden handles don't slip when =wet. Rotating collar locks the blade in place and the steel of the =blade can be brought up to scalpel sharp and stays there, not like a lot =of the knives you buy now. Good range of sizes as well. Tim -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu = Sent: 12 April 2002 17:04 Subject: RE: off topic (pocket knives) I think Case knives are still good buy, though they typically run a =bit higher than $20. I had an old Case favorite taken away at the =airport recently - my own fault, but boy was I bummed out to lose it. =Jock RE: off topic =(pocket knives) DocumentEmail @font-face { font-family: Tahoma;}@page Section1 {size: 595.3pt 841.9pt; margin: 72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt =90.0pt; mso-header-margin: 35.4pt; mso-footer-margin: 35.4pt; =mso-paper-source: 0; }P.MsoNormal { FONT- SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso- style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; =mso- fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT- DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single}P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-pagination: widow- orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT- SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso- pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT- FAMILY: "Times NewRoman"; =mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast- font-family: "Times New Roman"}P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: ="Times New Roman"; mso- pagination: widow-orphan; =mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; =mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto}SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; mso-style-type: personal-reply; mso-ansi-font-size: =10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; =mso- bidi-font-family: Arial}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1} You can buy them at Garret Wade Tools= $20) and my old, 2 blade, Old Timer Muskrat Skinner (Haven't seen one = in a while). Brian ----- Original Message ----- Tim Watson dati@selway.umt.edu ; RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu= Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 = PM knives) doubt my favourite is the Opinel range made in France (don=92t know = Rotating collar locks the blade in place and the steel of the = be brought up to scalpel sharp and stays there, not like a lot of the = range = as well.Tim Message-----From: =owner-rodmakers@wugate.w= Behalf Of Hatch, JamesSent: 12 April 2002 = RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: off topic knives) I think Case = an old Case favorite taken away at the airport recently - my own = Jock Sent: Friday, = knives) = I value your = since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic = What is the best $20.00 pocket knife forgeneral Thanks, from dongreife@hotmail.com Fri Apr 12 11:57:54 2002 g3CGvr410003 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:57:53 -0500 Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:57:44 -0700 HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:57:44 GMT Subject: Re: cheap strippers FILETIME=[2A941AC0:01C1E243] Brad,,I like the old agetine/agate guides that were used on a lot of oldbamboo fly and casting rods for strippers. An old casting rod may have 4 or5 on it and can be found at the odd farm or yard sale for near nothing,,butyou gotta take them off the old rod and work on them a bit. Some weresoldered to metal casting rods using wire but they come off pretty easily attention. a cane rod the such suggestions? Join the world's largest e-mail servicewith MSN Hotmail. ClickHere from dongreife@hotmail.com Fri Apr 12 12:03:35 2002 g3CH3Y410582 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:03:34 -0500 Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:03:29 -0700 HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:03:29 GMT Subject: Re: Lathe FILETIME=[F7FBE010:01C1E243] Tony,, Grizzly has a mini lathe that is about that size and for about thesame price. All made in China. I have a Grizzly 9x19 and have often wishedthat I'd bought the smaller one. I'll send you the specs on the small one if you "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Chat with friends online, try MSNMessenger: ClickHere from jvswan@earthlink.net Fri Apr 12 12:09:47 2002 g3CH9j411103 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:09:45 - User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1429Subject: Re: off topic (pocket knives) I got a really nice pocket knife for Christmas. Doesn't cost $20. But Ihave seen them on sale for about $30 at places like Sierra Trading Post (I'msure you can find them on E-Bay was well). It is a Kershaw with a 3" blade.The blade is half serrated and the tip edge is angled down at 45 degrees tothe point (instead of curving down like on most knifes). That angled tipmakes it easy to use just the tip for opening boxes and things. It also hasa stud on the blade so it can be opened with one hand and the lockingmechanism also allows the blade to be closed with one hand. Very light andI use it every day. Definitely would not make it on to a plane! The way I figure it, if you want a pocket full of tools, get a GerberMulti-tool. If you want a knife, don't bother with all the gadgets. Jason On 4/12/02 9:43 AM, "Darin J Law" wrote: I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic question. What is the best $20.00 pocket knife for generalpurpose use. Thanks,Darin Law from gwclark.VERNMHP@utah.gov Fri Apr 12 12:10:21 2002 g3CHAJ411193 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:10:19 -0500 with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:05:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Lathe g3CHAK411196 Grizzly Industrial also sells the 7 X 12. Gary W. Clark - NB7BNetwork AdministratorNortheastern Counseling CenterPOB 1908 Vernal, UT 84078OFC: 435-789-6326FAX: 435-789- 6325gwclark.vernmhp@state.ut.us "If everything is going great, don't try to figure it out" Tony Spezio 04/12/2002 10:39:42 AM >>> Someone on the list mentioned that Harbor Freighthad a 7X12 mini lathe.Homer Truck Sales also had the 7X12. Homer is outof them and don't know when they will get more. Atone time I did find the 7X12 listed on HF butdon't see it now. Can I get the Item # from theperson that posted the info if you have it.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com. from homes-sold@attbi.com Fri Apr 12 12:23:11 2002 g3CHNB412370 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:23:11 - Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:23:02 +0000 Subject: Re: off topic (pocket knives) Darin,I don't know about $20.00 but I vote for the "Swiss Army Knife" The one witha couple of blades, cork screw, combo bottle opener/screw driver, canopener& reamer. No spoons and that other stuff.Don----- Original Message ----- Subject: off topic (pocket knives) I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic question. What is the best $20.00 pocket knife for generalpurpose use. Thanks,Darin Law from homes-sold@attbi.com Fri Apr 12 12:26:59 2002 g3CHQx412740 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:26:59 -0500 Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:26:53 +0000 Subject: Re: cheap strippers Brad,There was this gal named Angela in East LA ........----- Original Message - ---- Subject: cheap strippers Okay people, I figured the subject line would get some attention. what is the cheapest stripping guide you guys would put on a cane rod from wendt@kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil Fri Apr 12 12:36:53 2002 g3CHar413373 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:36:53 -0500 g3CHaktx010130 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:36:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Lathe Gary, You're correct. They've got it listed for $495 compared to the $299 that Homier lists it for when it's available. The lathe is virtually with it. But from what I've gleaned from the 7 x 10 mini-lathe list, the price difference weighs heavily in favor of the Homier, and you can order better tools than what you'd get from the Grizzly lathe from http://www.littlemachineshop.com and come out ahead of the deal. Mark At 11:03 AM 4/12/2002 -0600, you wrote: Grizzly Industrial also sells the 7 X 12. Gary W. Clark - NB7BNetwork AdministratorNortheastern Counseling CenterPOB 1908Vernal, UT 84078OFC: 435-789-6326FAX: 435-789- 6325gwclark.vernmhp@state.ut.us "If everything is going great, don't try to figure it out" Tony Spezio 04/12/2002 10:39:42 AM >>> Someone on the list mentioned that Harbor Freighthad a 7X12 mini lathe.Homer Truck Sales also had the 7X12. Homer is outof them and don't know when they will get more. Atone time I did find the 7X12 listed on HF butdon't see it now. Can I get the Item # from theperson that posted the info if you have it.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com. from homes-sold@attbi.com Fri Apr 12 12:38:12 2002 g3CHcB413588 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:38:11 -0500 ;Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:38:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Why LN#2 rather than #1 Don,I think it depends on the size of your hands, at least that was my =rationale for going to the #2. The #1 is much smaller than the #2 and I =felt it would get lost in my mitts. Are you going to have it grooved?Don Subject: Why LN#2 rather than #1 Guys, Before I plunk my money down, why would I go for # 2 rather than # 1? =Seems like a slighter shorter sole would make clamping/holding the strip =easier. Thanx, Don http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html Don,I think it depends on the size of your = than the #2 and I felt it would get lost in my mitts. Are you going to = grooved?Don From: Sandy Andersen Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:01 AMSubject: Why LN#2 rather than #1Guys,Before I plunk my money down, why would Igo = rather than # 1? Seems like a slighter shorter sole would make = the strip =easier.Thanx,Donhttp://www=.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html from flyfish@gbronline.com Fri Apr 12 12:50:59 2002 g3CHow414492 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:50:58 - User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1)Gecko/20020314 Netscape6/6.2.2 RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: off topic (pocket knives) --------------070703040808030501030000 Ditto on Case knives--a little more than $20, but worth it. You could probably get decent prices at Smoky Mountain Knife Works (no commercial interest) Hatch, James wrote: I think Case knives are still good buy, though they typically run a bit higher than $20. I had an old Case favorite taken away at the airport recently - my own fault, but boy was I bummed out to lose it. Jock -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: off topic (pocket knives) I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic question. What is the best $20.00 pocket knife for generalpurpose use. Thanks,Darin Law --------------070703040808030501030000 probablyget decent prices at Smoky Mountain Knife Works (no commercialinterest) Hatch, James wrote: RE: off topic (pocket knives)I think Case knives are still good buy, though theytypically airport recently - my own fault, but boy was I bummed out to lose -----Original Message-----From: Darin J Law [ ]Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: off topic (pocket knives) I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thoughtI would ask an knife purpose use.Thanks,Darin Law --------------070703040808030501030000-- from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Fri Apr 12 13:07:10 2002 g3CI79415390 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:07:09 -0500 g3CI61314559; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: leonard baby Catskill On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Marty D. wrote: I think the Baby Catskill Bob is talking about is the 36L. 6' 2/2 1 oz. #1/2 line. Marty Correct. Bob TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: Don - To the best of my recollection it was a 4 weight, but it might havebeen a 3, also. I never cast the rod, just did some repair work, and got themeasurements in the process. from Harris.James@ev.state.az.us Fri Apr 12 14:16:28 2002 g3CJGR418747 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:16:28 -0500 g3CJBXH03327 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:11:33 -0700 2002 -0700 with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:16:21 -0700 Subject: Camping in Livingston g3CJGS418748 Guys,I'm planing on fishing my way from Arizona up to Montana for the FFF inAugust. I'll be pulling my 24ft camp trailer. Last time I was in Livingston Icamped on the Yellowstone several miles out of town. Do any of you haveknowledge of facilities or locations for camping in the Livingston area. I did aYahoo search and found only a few places. I'm also wandering if any of youhave any suggestions on the better spots to stay or on the other hand,avoid. Thanks,JimH from Troy.Miller@BakerOilTools.com Fri Apr 12 14:55:45 2002 g3CJti421507 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:55:44 -0500 (bhihdcimc01.bakerhughes.com [204.253.245.34] (may be forged)) for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:55:37 -0500 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:39:10 -0500 Subject: Carbide Irons A year or so back, you may recall that I attempted to make some plane irons from A2 tool steel. I took them up to Bob N's and we evaluated them. Notimpressive. I shelved the project. Well last week, Bob M sent us a link toa summary of cryogenic treatment of high alloy steel, which resurrected this do the slow freeze and re-temper for under 20 bucks per unit, and then youhave to include the raw material and machining time. Not cost- effective,might as well buy from Ron Hock. Well there was a big show in Houston this week called HouTex, which is puton by the Society of Manufacturing Engineers. What a show! All kinds oflathes, mills, EDM, measuring instruments, numerics, CAD/CAM software andcontrols, etc. I had another brainstorm (OK, maybe it was just a sprinkle).What if I could EDM a 30 degree bevel onto carbide strips in a costeffective way, and then attach to a plane iron blank, like Harry and maybesome others are doing? So I costed the carbide, about 3 bucks a pop. The EDM is about 75 dollarsan hour, and it was estimated that they could cut at least 10 to 15 perhour, including setups. So if I had some junk irons (new Stanley or Recordirons) that were not being used, I could have the cutting edgesbrazed/soldered to them. One of the things we do at Baker is to makedownhole cutting tools, that cut through pipe, etc. in a well. Many of ourtools use carbide cutters attached securely to a tool body. I have weldersthat do this kind of thing day in and day out. The edge that would be left on the carbide by the EDM would be whateverangle I specify, probably 30 degrees for a nice round number (unless Harryrecommends otherwise). I checked the edges on some of the display piecesthey had at the show, and it was impressive. You would still need to do afinal lapping on it, but it would come about as sharp as the originalStanley iron. Anyone interested in pursuing this? I'm guessing that each iron would costsomewheres around 20 to 25 bucks, if you send me your old Stanley iron. Iknow Randall was interested, any others? If there is enough interest, I canget more firm quotations for each step and get back to everyone. I like the Regards -- TAM from rmoon@ida.net Fri Apr 12 15:06:17 2002 g3CK6G422342 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:06:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Camping in Livingston --------------286B4CA78A77B733CB25378B --------------A4350055F21086C36BC7E60F Jim, I don't camp any longer, so I cannot rate the campgrounds for you, butif you will look at :http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon/page8.html You will find a listing of thosein the area. A phone call may be all you need. Also I think Nunley camps out,you might ask him. 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from flytyr@southshore.com Fri Apr 12 17:13:09 2002 g3CMD9428216 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:13:09 -0500 g3CMD7O13998 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:13:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Lathe I just checked with HF and they have a 8X12 forthe same price as the Grizzly7X12. I an just thinking about another small latheto replace the old 6X12 I just sold. I had that inmy rodmaking room Don't know that I really needanother lathe as I have a 9X20 in my workshop. The299.00 price tag is hard to pass up.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Mark Wendt wrote: Gary, You're correct. They've got it listed for $495 compared to the$299 that Homier lists it for when it's available. The lathe is virtually with it. But from what I've gleaned from the 7 x 10 mini-lathe list, theprice difference weighs heavily in favor of the Homier, and you can orderbetter tools than what you'd get from the Grizzly lathe fromhttp://www.littlemachineshop.com and come out ahead of the deal. Mark At 11:03 AM 4/12/2002 -0600, you wrote: Grizzly Industrial also sells the 7 X 12. Gary W. Clark - NB7BNetwork AdministratorNortheastern Counseling CenterPOB 1908Vernal, UT 84078OFC: 435-789-6326FAX: 435-789- 6325gwclark.vernmhp@state.ut.us "If everything is going great, don't try to figure it out" Tony Spezio 04/12/2002 10:39:42 AM Someone on the list mentioned that Harbor Freighthad a 7X12 mini lathe.Homer Truck Sales also had the 7X12. Homer is outof them and don't know when they will get more. Atone time I did find the 7X12 listed on HF butdon't see it now. Can I get the Item # from theperson that posted the info if you have it.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com. from bob@downandacross.com Fri Apr 12 17:29:13 2002 g3CMTC429110 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:29:12 -0500 Subject: RE: Why LN#2 rather than #1 Hi Don: from what I have heard, the #1 is small for most people. i have small hands,and I think the #2 is almost too small for comfort if you are trying to usethe handle. I have a LN #2, a Sargent #3, and Millers Falls and Stanley #4s.To be honest, you need to plane in the opposite direction or hold by hand toget the extreme butt end regardless of the size. Personally, I have beenusing the #2 with Atlas rubberized work gloves and no clamps. Works fine. Imay use a clamp on hexes, but for quads the rubber grip gloves are betterthan reclamping...so far....Bob-----Original Message-----From: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu AndersenSent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: Why LN#2 rather than #1 Guys, Before I plunk my money down, why would I go for # 2 rather than # 1?Seems like a slighter shorter sole would make clamping/holding the stripeasier. Thanx, Don http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dmanders/index.html Don: have heard, the #1 is small for most people. i have small hands, and I = #2 is almost too small for comfort if you are trying to use the handle. = LN #2, a Sargent #3, and Millers Falls and Stanley #4s. To be honest, = to plane in the opposite direction or hold by hand to get the extreme = rubberized work gloves and no clamps. Works fine. I may use a clamp on = far....Bob & = AndersenSent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:02 rodmakers@mail.wustL.eduSubject: Why LN#2 rather #1Guys,Before I plunk my moneydown, why = go for # 2 rather than # 1? Seems like a slighter shorter sole would = = from cathcreek@hotmail.com Fri Apr 12 17:34:42 2002 g3CMYg429557 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:34:42 -0500 Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:34:36 -0700 Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:34:36 GMT Subject: Re: Camping in Livingston FILETIME=[39C78250:01C1E272] I am planning on camping as well. Anyone else camping for this event? Rob From: "Ralph W. Moon" CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Camping in LivingstonDate: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:06:08 -0600 Jim, I don't camp any longer, so I cannot rate the campgrounds for you, but if you will look at :http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon/page8.html You will find a listing of those in the area. A phone call may be all you need. Also I think Nunley camps out, you might ask him. Ralph --http://www.ida.net/users/rmoon _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com from channer@frontier.net Fri Apr 12 18:01:23 2002 g3CN1M401252 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:01:22 -0500 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:01:28 -0600 Subject: re: shimmers Thanks to all for all the tips. Unfortunately, I already do most ofthese things, except use the dreaded Gossamer! I figured out on thefirst rod I wrapped that a brush was about useless for putting varnishon thread, I've been using my trusty dubbing needle ever since. Ihaven't tried heat on the wraps after putting the varnish on, I maysteal the wife's blow dryer and try that tonite, somehow using an openflame on varnish cut with turpentine doesn't seem like a very good idea.I've about decided that most of my problems stem from the unseen, butnot unnoticed, presence of a certain Mr. Murphy and of course, my owninherant bad luck. Maybe the definitive answer is to just use varathaneand wrap the rod after varnishing the blank. Or get out my framinghammer and beat that varnish into the wraps! Thanks againjohn from channer@frontier.net Fri Apr 12 18:12:29 2002 g3CNCT401971 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:12:29 - Subject: Re: off topic (pocket knives) Darin;I have no clue as to their price or quality, or even where to get one any more, but the Boy Scout pocket knife(the one with 2 blades) that Icarried for about 30 years was great, still is for that matter, but itnow is in retirement and spends it's days in well earned rest on my flytying/rod wrapping table.john Darin J Law wrote: I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic question. What is the best $20.00 pocket knife for generalpurpose use. Thanks,Darin Law from jvswan@earthlink.net Fri Apr 12 18:12:33 2002 g3CNCW401975 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:12:32 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1429Subject: Re: shimmers Hi John, One quick word of advice, if you haven't used a blow dryer before, becareful where you use it and how. It will kick up every mote of dust for acouple hundred square feet. If you don't want to get it on your wraps, besure that there is nothing behind the rod (like a table or a wall) thatmight deflect the stream of air back onto your rod. Else, you will havedust to deal with as well as shimmers. Good luck. Jason On 4/12/02 5:01 PM, "channer" wrote: Thanks to all for all the tips. Unfortunately, I already do most ofthese things, except use the dreaded Gossamer! I figured out on thefirst rod I wrapped that a brush was about useless for putting varnishon thread, I've been using my trusty dubbing needle ever since. Ihaven't tried heat on the wraps after putting the varnish on, I maysteal the wife's blow dryer and try that tonite, somehow using an openflame on varnish cut with turpentine doesn't seem like a very good idea.I've about decided that most of my problems stem from the unseen, butnot unnoticed, presence of a certain Mr. Murphy and of course, my owninherant bad luck. Maybe the definitive answer is to just use varathaneand wrap the rod after varnishing the blank. Or get out my framinghammer and beat that varnish into the wraps! Thanks againjohn from sats@gte.net Fri Apr 12 18:18:48 2002 g3CNIl402641 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:18:47 -0500 (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with Subject: WD-40 I was under the impression that WD-40 was a kerosine type product, butyesterdayI came a cross a reference in a book that stated, 'use WD-40 or any Siliconlubricant to displace moisture...' (single quotes = paraphrase) This led me todo a little checking around the web, and I can't find anything that says WD-40has Silicone in it. The guy was an ocean navigator and wasn't an expert inwood working or anything else related to actually knowing the makeup of WD-40(he was suggesting using it to clean lube a sextant that had been exposed tosaltwater.)so I'm not sure that he had any idea what he was talking about...----------------------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats from channer@frontier.net Fri Apr 12 18:19:32 2002 g3CNJV402714 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:19:31 -0500 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:19:39 -0600 Subject: Re: cheap strippers Brad;Pac Bay has unbraced casting guides in many sizes and the chrome onesare pretty cheep. I like the titanium carbide ones for all my rods, andeven those aren't very expensive and look real nice, lighter thanMildrums,too. I think I pay around 5 bucks for them, chrome is probablyhalf that.john Brad Love wrote: Okay people, I figured the subject line would get some attention. what is the cheapest stripping guide you guys would put on a cane rod rods up to now but have two that, well are not deserving of suchquality hardware(I know I'm a cheap skate). Any suggestions? tiaBrad from jojo@ipa.net Fri Apr 12 18:24:18 2002 g3CNOH403301 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:24:17 -0500 helo=default) id 16wAOo-0002si-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:24:11 -0400 Subject: Re: WD-40 Don't know a thing about the composition of WD-40, but I know it's great forgumming up firearms.Gunsmiths love the stuff, at least when their customers are using it. Itprovides plenty of business M-D I was under the impression that WD-40 was a kerosine type product, butyesterdayI came a cross a reference in a book that stated, 'use WD-40 or any Siliconlubricant to displace moisture...' (single quotes = paraphrase) This led me todo a little checking around the web, and I can't find anything that says WD-40has Silicone in it. The guy was an ocean navigator and wasn't an expert inwood working or anything else related to actually knowing the makeup of WD-40(he was suggesting using it to clean lube a sextant that had been exposed tosaltwater.)so I'm not sure that he had any idea what he was talking about...----------------------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats from channer@frontier.net Fri Apr 12 18:24:37 2002 g3CNOa403405 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:24:37 -0500 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:24:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Carbide Irons Troy;If you are just trying to cut down on the sharpening, then groove thesole of your plane, or get one from Lie Nielsen with the groove alreadyin it.john "Miller, Troy" wrote: A year or so back, you may recall that I attempted to make some planeirons from A2 tool steel. I took them up to Bob N's and we evaluated them. Notimpressive. I shelved the project. Well last week, Bob M sent us a link toa summary of cryogenic treatment of high alloy steel, which resurrectedthis do the slow freeze and re-temper for under 20 bucks per unit, and thenyouhave to include the raw material and machining time. Not cost- effective,might as well buy from Ron Hock. Well there was a big show in Houston this week called HouTex, which is puton by the Society of Manufacturing Engineers. What a show! All kinds oflathes, mills, EDM, measuring instruments, numerics, CAD/CAM softwareandcontrols, etc. I had another brainstorm (OK, maybe it was just a sprinkle).What if I could EDM a 30 degree bevel onto carbide strips in a costeffective way, and then attach to a plane iron blank, like Harry and maybesome others are doing? So I costed the carbide, about 3 bucks a pop. The EDM is about 75 dollarsan hour, and it was estimated that they could cut at least 10 to 15 perhour, including setups. So if I had some junk irons (new Stanley or Recordirons) that were not being used, I could have the cutting edgesbrazed/soldered to them. One of the things we do at Baker is to makedownhole cutting tools, that cut through pipe, etc. in a well. Many of ourtools use carbide cutters attached securely to a tool body. I have weldersthat do this kind of thing day in and day out. The edge that would be left on the carbide by the EDM would be whateverangle I specify, probably 30 degrees for a nice round number (unless Harryrecommends otherwise). I checked the edges on some of the displaypiecesthey had at the show, and it was impressive. You would still need to do afinal lapping on it, but it would come about as sharp as the originalStanley iron. Anyone interested in pursuing this? I'm guessing that each iron would costsomewheres around 20 to 25 bucks, if you send me your old Stanley iron. Iknow Randall was interested, any others? If there is enough interest, I canget more firm quotations for each step and get back to everyone. I likethe Regards -- TAM from channer@frontier.net Fri Apr 12 18:27:35 2002 g3CNRY403809 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:27:34 -0500 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:27:41 -0600 Subject: Re: shimmers Jason;That thought had occured to me, I planned on holding the rod anddirecting the air at it from underneath.john Jason Swan wrote: Hi John, One quick word of advice, if you haven't used a blow dryer before, becareful where you use it and how. It will kick up every mote of dust for acouple hundred square feet. If you don't want to get it on your wraps, besure that there is nothing behind the rod (like a table or a wall) thatmight deflect the stream of air back onto your rod. Else, you will havedust to deal with as well as shimmers. Good luck. Jason On 4/12/02 5:01 PM, "channer" wrote: Thanks to all for all the tips. Unfortunately, I already do most ofthese things, except use the dreaded Gossamer! I figured out on thefirst rod I wrapped that a brush was about useless for putting varnishon thread, I've been using my trusty dubbing needle ever since. Ihaven't tried heat on the wraps after putting the varnish on, I maysteal the wife's blow dryer and try that tonite, somehow using an openflame on varnish cut with turpentine doesn't seem like a very good idea.I've about decided that most of my problems stem from the unseen, butnot unnoticed, presence of a certain Mr. Murphy and of course, my owninherant bad luck. Maybe the definitive answer is to just use varathaneand wrap the rod after varnishing the blank. Or get out my framinghammer and beat that varnish into the wraps! Thanks againjohn Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive. from jojo@ipa.net Fri Apr 12 18:49:07 2002 g3CNn6405236 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:49:06 -0500 helo=default) id 16wAmv-0001RV-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:49:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Stanley Tools There are many, many corporations that take advantage of off-shore havens-- Ford Motor Co., andBoeing Aircraft to name but two. This is nothing new under the sun, and oneneedn't move to thelocale simply to do it. It is quite easily done through the use of legal fictions,i.e.,corporations and trusts.There is no responsibility to pay taxes unless one has specifically contractedinto so doing. Eventhen there is no duty to increase one's taxes, and every legitimate means toreduce one's taxexposure is well recognized, documented, and approved of by the IRS, andmay be utilized. Again,this is nothing new.Despite common belief, the "taxes" taken in as "income taxes" does not payto run the government.This has never been the case. If you read the "President's Private SectorSurvey on Cost Control",commonly referred to as the "Grace Commission Report" you will glean manythings, one of which isthat in 1984, the year of its publication, 100% of the "income tax" collectedwas applied againstthe interest of the national debt. Nothing's ever changed, either. Thegovernment operates on adeficit because this is what floats the economy. Taxes are a way ofcontrolling, or manipulating theeconomy. They also give people a faith in the funny money -- makes it nearand dear to them.Balanced budgets and budget surpluses are a smoke and mirror trick. Theysound really good, playwell for the people, but are nothing more than panderings.I'm not going into it, period, but if any should care to make the study, you willbe at firstincredulous, then angered by the depths of deception under which the peopleof this country labor. M-D Fellow rodmakers,I think I am being somewhat of a curmudgeon but I'm disturbed at the StanleyTool Co. It's more than a political question but perhaps important. I understand Stanley is moving its headquarters to Bermuda! It is a movethat is directly related to taxation of corporate structures. Nothing newbut rather than paying many millions of dollars in taxes to the ourgovernment, Stanley is choosing to move to Bermuda where it will pay manymillions less to the Bermuda government. I don't know where I could pose such a question to so many expert hand planeusers. I also consider this group some of the best tool users in existenceand therefore I pick on you all to comment on this question. Should we be concerned about such things? At first glance it may be saidthat it's a way of lowering the cost of tools to the consumer but on theother hand, are tool users likely to see any reduction in cost to them whenthey purchase tools? One thing that bothers me is that large corporationsdodge their responsibility of paying taxes while leaving it to the commonman/woman to pay the taxes and make up the difference for that thecorporations that have headquarters offshore don't. I mean to provoke thought... and stimulate discussion.. Thanks for your comment, Jerry from douglosey@spectrumenergy.com Fri Apr 12 18:57:31 2002 g3CNvU405678 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:57:30 -0500 Subject: Re: WD-40 so do the rehab centers... losey from lblan@provide.net Fri Apr 12 18:57:45 2002 g3CNvi405712 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:57:44 -0500 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:57:43 -0400 Subject: RE: WD-40 I'll second that, from first-hand knowledge. It is unbelievable how much itcan gum up. If you are looking for a moisture displacing oil, there arebetter ones out there. Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: Re: WD-40 Don't know a thing about the composition of WD-40, but I knowit's great for gumming up firearms.Gunsmiths love the stuff, at least when their customers are usingit. It provides plenty of business M-D From: "Terry Kirkpatrick" I was under the impression that WD-40 was a kerosine typeproduct, but yesterdayI came a cross a reference in a book that stated, 'use WD-40 orany Siliconlubricant to displace moisture...' (single quotes = paraphrase)This led me todo a little checking around the web, and I can't find anythingthat says WD-40has Silicone in it. The guy was an ocean navigator and wasn'tan expert inwood working or anything else related to actually knowing themakeup of WD-40(he was suggesting using it to clean lube a sextant that had beenexposed tosaltwater.)so I'm not sure that he had any idea what he wastalking about...----------------------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats from dybam@oct.net Fri Apr 12 19:19:23 2002 g3D0JM406597 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:19:22 -0500 Subject: Re:Livingston Communications, Inc. following camp grounds as listed in Trailer Life Directory;Daily Lake Campground-State Park- no fees mentioned, no reservations,1-406-994- 4042 Livingston Campground, $19.70-$27.30 per day reservation- 1-406-222- 1122AAA approved. Livingston Paradise Valley KOA $24.00-$29.00 per day. 1-406-222-1096 Mark----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: WD-40 Don't know a thing about the composition of WD-40, but I know it's great Gunsmiths love the stuff, at least when their customers are using it. It provides plenty of business M-D From: "Terry Kirkpatrick" I was under the impression that WD-40 was a kerosine type product, but yesterday I came a cross a reference in a book that stated, 'use WD-40 or any Silicon lubricant to displace moisture...' (single quotes = paraphrase) This led me to do a little checking around the web, and I can't find anything that says WD-40 has Silicone in it. The guy was an ocean navigator and wasn't an expert in wood working or anything else related to actually knowing the makeup of WD-40 (he was suggesting using it to clean lube a sextant that had been exposed to saltwater.)so I'm not sure that he had any idea what he was talking about... ----------------------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Apr 12 19:53:41 2002 g3D0re407289 (authenticated) for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:53:38 -0700 Subject: Bill Hoy Bill, Didn't have your email address handy, sothought I would post this. My guess is that thisis the same stuff I've been using, only renamed.It certainly comes from the same company. I'veemailed them asking about the Nyalic, and we'llsee what they say. http://www.eastwoodco.com/cgi- Might have to cut and paste the link, becauseI think it's going to wrap around. Harry -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from homes-sold@attbi.com Fri Apr 12 20:18:25 2002 g3D1IO408018 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:18:24 -0500 Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:18:19 +0000 Subject: Re: WD-40 I use it on stones when sharpening, keeps the stone clean. I never seen itgum-up anything, if anything it cleans a stone.Don----- Original Message ----- Subject: WD-40 I was under the impression that WD-40 was a kerosine type product, butyesterdayI came a cross a reference in a book that stated, 'use WD-40 or any Siliconlubricant to displace moisture...' (single quotes = paraphrase) This led metodo a little checking around the web, and I can't find anything that saysWD-40has Silicone in it. The guy was an ocean navigator and wasn't an expertinwood working or anything else related to actually knowing the makeup ofWD-40(he was suggesting using it to clean lube a sextant that had been exposed tosaltwater.)so I'm not sure that he had any idea what he was talking about...----------------------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 20:38:26 2002 g3D1cQ409671 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:38:26 -0500 12 Apr 2002 18:38:25 PDT Subject: Re: WD-40 wd-40 is nothing more than kerosine that has hadvanilla beans soaked in it then filtered. --- Terry Kirkpatrick wrote: I was under the impression that WD-40 was a kerosinetype product, but yesterdayI came a cross a reference in a book that stated,'use WD-40 or any Siliconlubricant to displace moisture...' (single quotes =paraphrase) This led me todo a little checking around the web, and I can'tfind anything that says WD-40has Silicone in it. The guy was an ocean navigatorand wasn't an expert inwood working or anything else related to actuallyknowing the makeup of WD-40(he was suggesting using it to clean lube a sextantthat had been exposed tosaltwater.)so I'm not sure that he had any idea whathe was talking about...----------------------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTaxhttp://taxes.yahoo.com/ from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 20:40:12 2002 g3D1eB409863 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:40:11 -0500 12 Apr 2002 18:40:07 PDT Subject: Re: WD-40 yes, kerosine is gritty isn't it. it will aid in therubbing off of the bluing on a gun. timothy --- Jojo DeLancier wrote: Don't know a thing about the composition of WD-40,but I know it's great for gumming up firearms.Gunsmiths love the stuff, at least when theircustomers are using it. It provides plenty ofbusiness M-D From: "Terry Kirkpatrick" I was under the impression that WD-40 was a kerosinetype product, but yesterdayI came a cross a reference in a book that stated,'use WD-40 or any Siliconlubricant to displace moisture...' (single quotes =paraphrase) This led me todo a little checking around the web, and I can'tfind anything that says WD-40has Silicone in it. The guy was an ocean navigatorand wasn't an expert inwood working or anything else related to actuallyknowing the makeup of WD-40(he was suggesting using it to clean lube a sextantthat had been exposed tosaltwater.)so I'm not sure that he had any idea whathe was talking about...----------------------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats ====="Gooda' mornin', mister bear!" ...Ride, boldly ride,"The shade replied, -"If you seek for Eldorado!" -- E.A.Poe __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTaxhttp://taxes.yahoo.com/ from jojo@ipa.net Fri Apr 12 20:47:41 2002 g3D1le410258 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:47:40 -0500 helo=default) id 16wCde-0000CF-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:47:38 -0400 Subject: Re: off topic (pocket knives) Here's a good place from which to buy knives, and other stuff. They've quitea few of good qualityin the $20.00 range. http://www.camohut.com/store M-D I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic question. What is the best $20.00 pocket knife for generalpurpose use. Thanks,Darin Law from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Fri Apr 12 21:22:48 2002 g3D2Ml410939 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:22:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Carbide Irons I tried this with a local company and replacable carbide cutters. The thinstanley irons bent and became useless. Maybe my guys just weren't goodbrazers, but we decided a thicker piece of steel was needed. FWIW Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Carbide Irons A year or so back, you may recall that I attempted to make some plane irons from A2 tool steel. I took them up to Bob N's and we evaluated them. Notimpressive. I shelved the project. Well last week, Bob M sent us a link to a summary of cryogenic treatment of high alloy steel, which resurrected this do the slow freeze and re-temper for under 20 bucks per unit, and thenyouhave to include the raw material and machining time. Not cost- effective,might as well buy from Ron Hock. Well there was a big show in Houston this week called HouTex, which is puton by the Society of Manufacturing Engineers. What a show! All kinds oflathes, mills, EDM, measuring instruments, numerics, CAD/CAM softwareandcontrols, etc. I had another brainstorm (OK, maybe it was just a sprinkle). What if I could EDM a 30 degree bevel onto carbide strips in a costeffective way, and then attach to a plane iron blank, like Harry and maybesome others are doing? So I costed the carbide, about 3 bucks a pop. The EDM is about 75 dollarsan hour, and it was estimated that they could cut at least 10 to 15 perhour, including setups. So if I had some junk irons (new Stanley or Record irons) that were not being used, I could have the cutting edgesbrazed/soldered to them. One of the things we do at Baker is to makedownhole cutting tools, that cut through pipe, etc. in a well. Many of our tools use carbide cutters attached securely to a tool body. I have welders that do this kind of thing day in and day out. The edge that would be left on the carbide by the EDM would be whateverangle I specify, probably 30 degrees for a nice round number (unless Harryrecommends otherwise). I checked the edges on some of the displaypiecesthey had at the show, and it was impressive. You would still need to do afinal lapping on it, but it would come about as sharp as the originalStanley iron. Anyone interested in pursuing this? I'm guessing that each iron would cost somewheres around 20 to 25 bucks, if you send me your old Stanley iron. Iknow Randall was interested, any others? If there is enough interest, I can get more firm quotations for each step and get back to everyone. I like the Regards -- TAM from bdcbfr@chartermi.net Fri Apr 12 21:24:17 2002 g3D2OF411060 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:24:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Lathe I have that lathe, and am happy with it mostly. Sometimes wish the bed waslonger.... Brian----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Lathe Grizzly Industrial also sells the 7 X 12. Gary W. Clark - NB7BNetwork AdministratorNortheastern Counseling CenterPOB 1908Vernal, UT 84078OFC: 435-789-6326FAX: 435-789- 6325gwclark.vernmhp@state.ut.us "If everything is going great, don't try to figure it out" Tony Spezio 04/12/2002 10:39:42 AM >>> Someone on the list mentioned that Harbor Freighthad a 7X12 mini lathe.Homer Truck Sales also had the 7X12. Homer is outof them and don't know when they will get more. Atone time I did find the 7X12 listed on HF butdon't see it now. Can I get the Item # from theperson that posted the info if you have it.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com. from atlasc1@earthlink.net Fri Apr 12 21:24:23 2002 g3D2OM411067 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:24:23 -0500 ([209.179.147.57] helo=computer) id 16wDDA-0005fZ-00; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:24:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Lathe Beware of the Homier lathe, While it is the same lathe as HF it is shipped in a box with only styrofoam crushed.HF puts a crate top and bottom on and wood supports on the side. Shipping itis more secure. Also with HF the shipping and return guarentee are hard tobeat. Adam----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Lathe Gary, You're correct. They've got it listed for $495 compared to the$299 that Homier lists it for when it's available. The lathe is virtually with it. But from what I've gleaned from the 7 x 10 mini-lathe list, theprice difference weighs heavily in favor of the Homier, and you can orderbetter tools than what you'd get from the Grizzly lathe fromhttp://www.littlemachineshop.com and come out ahead of the deal. Mark At 11:03 AM 4/12/2002 -0600, you wrote: Grizzly Industrial also sells the 7 X 12. Gary W. Clark - NB7BNetwork AdministratorNortheastern Counseling CenterPOB 1908Vernal, UT 84078OFC: 435-789-6326FAX: 435-789- 6325gwclark.vernmhp@state.ut.us "If everything is going great, don't try to figure it out" Tony Spezio 04/12/2002 10:39:42 AM Someone on the list mentioned that Harbor Freighthad a 7X12 mini lathe.Homer Truck Sales also had the 7X12. Homer is outof them and don't know when they will get more. Atone time I did find the 7X12 listed on HF butdon't see it now. Can I get the Item # from theperson that posted the info if you have it.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com. from Grnmtrds@aol.com Fri Apr 12 21:36:46 2002 g3D2aj411882 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:36:45 -0500 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:36:35 - Subject: (no subject) from Grnmtrds@aol.com Fri Apr 12 21:40:47 2002 g3D2ek412130 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:40:46 -0500 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:40:34 - Subject: camping Rob, We will be camping also. There is a real nice KOA in Bozeman. It is about 20 miles over to livingston. We will be heading out about a week prior to the gathering so as to get a little extra fishing in ..If my wife lets me. See you there,Jim/Vermont from lblove@omniglobal.net Fri Apr 12 21:41:56 2002 g3D2fr412180 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:41:54 -0500 0000 Subject: Re: WD-40 g3D2fu412183 WD-40 is like belt dressing for v-belts,the only people that suggest the use is thepeople that make the stuff. WD-40 is great for whatit was designed for, getting the water to float out of themechanical working of gauges prior to oiling them.Then again so is about 2psi of compressed air. Brad *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/12/02 at 7:24 PM Terry Kirkpatrick wrote: I was under the impression that WD-40 was a kerosine type product, butyesterdayI came a cross a reference in a book that stated, 'use WD-40 or any Siliconlubricant to displace moisture...' (single quotes = paraphrase) This ledme todo a little checking around the web, and I can't find anything that saysWD-40has Silicone in it. The guy was an ocean navigator and wasn't an expertinwood working or anything else related to actually knowing the makeup ofWD-40(he was suggesting using it to clean lube a sextant that had been exposedtosaltwater.)so I'm not sure that he had any idea what he was talkingabout...----------------------------Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Florida(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.netMeet me at http://home1.gte.net/sats from Grnmtrds@aol.com Fri Apr 12 21:49:44 2002 g3D2nh412807 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:49:43 -0500 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:49:34 - Subject: wd40 Terry, Careful what you use WD40 on. It is pretty much junk (I'll catch hell for this). If you ever put it on a gun and put the gun up for a while it gums up and is real nasty to try and remove. Short of soaking in a solvent. There is a good reason why the US gov't won't let anyone doing contracts or the military use it. Good luck,Jim from tedknott@cogeco.ca Fri Apr 12 21:53:43 2002 g3D2rh413061 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:53:43 -0500 Subject: Re: wd40 I've been using WD40 for years to wipe down my saltwater reels. So far noproblems, probably because I also clean them in a solvent periodically.What kind of protection would you recommend instead? from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Fri Apr 12 22:01:38 2002 g3D31b413552 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:01:37 -0500 (authenticated) Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:56:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Carbide Irons Brain, I have six (one for each plane, plus two extras), all brazed onto Stanleyblades. All work fine. Of course, I didn't make them. Left that to someonewith some skills. There was a fellow named Joe on the list a few years ago who did three forme. They are perfect. Unfortunately, Joe passed away, so I can't get anymore from him. Another friend from the list did the other three. Troy, put me down for one if you go with this idea... and I'd suggest 35* -40* rather than 30. I think having a little more metal behind the cuttingedgeis an especially good idea with carbide. Harry "Brian D. Creek" wrote: I tried this with a local company and replacable carbide cutters. The thinstanley irons bent and became useless. Maybe my guys just weren't goodbrazers, but we decided a thicker piece of steel was needed. FWIW Brian----- Original Message -----From: "Miller, Troy" Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:55 PMSubject: Carbide Irons A year or so back, you may recall that I attempted to make some plane irons from A2 tool steel. I took them up to Bob N's and we evaluated them. Notimpressive. I shelved the project. Well last week, Bob M sent us a link to a summary of cryogenic treatment of high alloy steel, which resurrected this do the slow freeze and re-temper for under 20 bucks per unit, and thenyouhave to include the raw material and machining time. Not cost- effective,might as well buy from Ron Hock. Well there was a big show in Houston this week called HouTex, which isputon by the Society of Manufacturing Engineers. What a show! All kinds oflathes, mills, EDM, measuring instruments, numerics, CAD/CAM softwareandcontrols, etc. I had another brainstorm (OK, maybe it was just a sprinkle). What if I could EDM a 30 degree bevel onto carbide strips in a costeffective way, and then attach to a plane iron blank, like Harry andmaybesome others are doing? So I costed the carbide, about 3 bucks a pop. The EDM is about 75dollarsan hour, and it was estimated that they could cut at least 10 to 15 perhour, including setups. So if I had some junk irons (new Stanley or Record irons) that were not being used, I could have the cutting edgesbrazed/soldered to them. One of the things we do at Baker is to makedownhole cutting tools, that cut through pipe, etc. in a well. Many of our tools use carbide cutters attached securely to a tool body. I have welders that do this kind of thing day in and day out. The edge that would be left on the carbide by the EDM would be whateverangle I specify, probably 30 degrees for a nice round number (unlessHarryrecommends otherwise). I checked the edges on some of the displaypiecesthey had at the show, and it was impressive. You would still need to do afinal lapping on it, but it would come about as sharp as the originalStanley iron. Anyone interested in pursuing this? I'm guessing that each iron would cost somewheres around 20 to 25 bucks, if you send me your old Stanley iron. Iknow Randall was interested, any others? If there is enough interest, I can get more firm quotations for each step and get back to everyone. I like the Regards -- TAM -- -- Harry Boyd --http://www.canerods.com/ -- Bamboo Rods -- http://www.fbcwin.com/ -- Our Church -- from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Fri Apr 12 22:15:07 2002 g3D3F6413907 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:15:06 -0500 g3D3Ewf20820; Subject: Re: Camping in Livingston campground unless you want facilities. Find a little spot on USFS land and have at it, Just tread lightly or the greenies will get ya !Jim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from flyrod@pop.digisys.net Fri Apr 12 22:15:17 2002 g3D3FG413950 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:15:17 -0500 Subject: Re: wd40 I saw on one of those Discovery Channel "know it all" shows, that one of the primary ingredient is fish oil. Ask any savy charter boat captain why he sprays it on hius lures. Here in Montana we spray it on the lures as well, but not for fish attracting or rust preventing, the water is so dang hard you have to lubricate the lures to get them thru it ! ! [:-)] Jim Jim Flinchbaughflyrod@digisys.nethttp://www.digisys.net/users/flyrod from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Fri Apr 12 22:29:27 2002 g3D3TQ414633 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:29:26 - WAA13475 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 Subject: re: shimmers I don't know if this will help the shimmers or not... Some people swear by fine bristle brushes, others by needlesor toothpicks. I think a foam brush works much better than these.I buy a big (3") foam brush for about $1 and cut it into littlestrips. I hold the pieces with an alligator clip for a littlehandle. Works for me. Nice smooth flow without bubbles.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and aEmployed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. from rextutor@yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 22:37:46 2002 g3D3bk414986 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:37:46 -0500 12 Apr 2002 20:37:45 PDT Subject: Re: camping I will be camping. The USFS land sounds good. ANyonegot a spot near Livingston? --- Grnmtrds@aol.com wrote: Rob, We will be camping also. There is a real nice KOA inBozeman. It is about 20 miles over to livingston. We will be heading out about a week prior to thegathering so as to get a little extra fishing in ..If my wife lets me. See you there,Jim/Vermont __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTaxhttp://taxes.yahoo.com/ from jojo@ipa.net Fri Apr 12 23:06:14 2002 g3D46D417566 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:06:13 -0500 helo=default) id 16wEni-0005LS-00 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:06:10 -0400 Subject: Re: wd40 I've used this stuff for years. Look at the Marine Tuf-cloth and the Tuf-glide. http://www.sentrysolutions.com/products.html M-D I've been using WD40 for years to wipe down my saltwater reels. So far noproblems, probably because I also clean them in a solvent periodically.What kind of protection would you recommend instead? from atlasc1@earthlink.net Fri Apr 12 23:35:43 2002 g3D4Zh418290 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:35:43 -0500 ([209.179.149.156] helo=computer) id 16wFGI-0002gP-00 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:35:42 -0700 Subject: Polyurethane glue? I have use Epon a Urea Formaldehyde and now I am wondering about =Polyurethane glue. I would like to give Gorilla Glue a try for those =who have used it what advice do you have?....any caveats? Adam I have use Epon a Urea Formaldehydeand = caveats? Adam from KyleDruey@aol.com Fri Apr 12 23:59:49 2002 g3D4xm420735 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:59:48 -0500 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:59:24 -0400 Subject: ? Diamond Stone List, I am currently using 1000/4000 combination Japanese water stone for sharpening irons. It has worked well up to this point, but I now see the problem with dishing. What about diamond stones. Why are they supposed to be better. Whatdiamond stone is comperable to the 1000/4000 combination water stone? How is the diamond stone used? Thanks for any insights, Kyle from carstenjorgensen@mail.dk Sat Apr 13 01:58:00 2002 g3D6vx422853 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:57:59 -0500 ;Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:57:57 +0200 Subject: Sv: Polyurethane glue? Do use thin surgical gloves when gluing, or Your hands will be black for =the next 14 days.Buy small bottles of the stuff, it can get stiff in the bottle.Buy it from some who sell plenty of the stuff.It is one great glue for rod making. regards, Carsten Jorgensen Subject: Polyurethane glue? I have use Epon a Urea Formaldehyde and now I am wondering about =Polyurethane glue. I would like to give Gorilla Glue a try for those =who have used it what advice do you have?....any caveats? Adam Do use thin surgical gloves when gluing, or Your = black for the next 14 days.Buy small bottles of the stuff, it can get stiff in = bottle.Buy it from some who sell plenty of the =stuff.It is one great glue for rod making. regards, Carsten Jorgensen ----- Original Message ----- Vigil = Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 = AMSubject: Polyurethane =glue? I have use Epon a Urea Formaldehyde = caveats? Adam from homes-sold@attbi.com Sat Apr 13 02:19:00 2002 g3D7Ix423416 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:18:59 -0500 Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:18:53 +0000 Subject: Re: ? Diamond Stone Kyle, A 8" diamond 325x/1200x could be used to flatten water stones using the325xside. I'm not sure but I think 1200x is about as fine as they get. There aretwo types of diamond stones, Monocrystaline & Polycrystaline. ThePolycrystaline ones are less expensive but won't last as long. Either onewill cut carbide. Don----- Original Message ----- Subject: ? Diamond Stone List, I am currently using 1000/4000 combination Japanese water stone forsharpening irons. It has worked well up to this point, but I now see theproblem with dishing. What about diamond stones. Why are they supposed to be better. Whatdiamondstone is comperable to the 1000/4000 combination water stone? How is thediamond stone used? Thanks for any insights, Kyle from d.kennedy@paradise.net.nz Sat Apr 13 02:59:27 2002 g3D7xP424127 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:59:26 -0500 id 87497D2A8B; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:58:55 +1200 (NZST) +1200 "'RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu'" Subject: RE: off topic (pocket knives) We have a german pocketknife available in New Zealand called a Mercator or Merc. It is a folding lock knife, the handle being black painted steel, so it is very slim. The blade takes a great edge, is probably more brittle than it should be, rusts like hell, but is definitely the best value for money at this end of the world. They have been available for about thirty years or more here. My 15 yr old sone just bought one at Christmas time, and as far as I can see they haven't changed a bit. Have a looksee and try to find one. There is a cheap copy around, but it doesnt have 'Mercator' stamped on the blade. They have a very plain utilitarian look about them, you might not even notice them in amongst all the other saw tooth perforated shark tooth crap around. OR, you can approach the airline security people..... In the last week, the Auckland airport security service has been advertising for community groups to come and collect some of the thousands (no exaggeration) of knives and scissors that have been confiscated in the last few months since the step up in security. On Friday I wrote a letter asking for forty pocketknives, and 20 pr of embroidery scissors for our fishing and flytying club. What are they doing with them where you live? DGK -----Original Message----- Subject: off topic (pocket knives) I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic question. What is the best $20.00 pocket knife for generalpurpose use. Thanks,Darin Law from ajthramer@hotmail.com Sat Apr 13 03:32:43 2002 g3D8Wg424694 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:32:42 - Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:32:33 -0700 Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:32:33 GMT Subject: Re: off topic (pocket knives) FILETIME=[C23E1DD0:01C1E2C5] One of the simple swiss army knives. I like the Victorinox better than the other one. The one i have had for many years has an orange peeler/screwdriver, scissors, fingernail care widget, two blades (thanks to OJ we now know they are indeed formidable!) and a toothpick and tweezers.On the cheap knockoffs the tweezers don't work worth a damn but on an original they work great on you-know-what. When I was an avid backpacker in the70's we always had a giggle at those 'kitchen sink' models. Seemed silly when you are cutting the labels off your tea bags.....A.J. From: Darin J Law Subject: off topic (pocket knives) I value your opinions and since it is Friday I thought I would ask anoff topic question. What is the best $20.00 pocket knife for generalpurpose use. Thanks,Darin Law _________________________________________________________________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com from petermckean@netspace.net.au Sat Apr 13 04:21:34 2002 g3D9LW425356 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 04:21:32 - g3D9LOX97686; Subject: Re: Why LN#2 rather than #1 Don As with some other familiarly used tools, size may not, as they say, be =of any consequence; but nevertheless there is a sort of quantum "heft" =without which your discussion of the subject in pubs is taken less than =seriously. [:-)] Peter Don tools, size may not, as they say, be of any consequence; but = in pubs is taken less than seriously. :-) Peter from LambersonW@missouri.edu Sat Apr 13 06:24:19 2002 g3DBOI426637 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 06:24:18 -0500 Sat, 13 Apr 2002 06:24:14 -0500 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Polyurethane glue? Thread-Topic: Polyurethane glue?Thread-Index: AcHipMB2U0nhJqWSRlqJi2XhJICqvwAOHQyB FILETIME=[BE313430:01C1E2DD] g3DBOI426638 I agree with everything that Carsten said, especially about the gloves! It isvery sticky, someone suggested keeping a bowl of alcohol handy to dip yourgloved hands in as you are working, that is a good idea and works well. Theglued strips slip over each other very easily, which I find makes straighteningdifficult for the first several minutes after gluing. I apply the glue, bind, andgo on to another section, then come back to the first to straighten. Although I still routinely use resorcinol, I have had good success with thepolyurethane (Probond) for several rods over the past couple of years. Ialso use it to glue ferrules, no failures so far. Bill Lamberson -----Original Message----- Sent: Fri 4/12/2002 11:35 PM Subject: Polyuret