from cbogart@ibm.net Fri Nov 1 17:51:03 1996 Priority: Normal Subject: Re: No-knot binding cord + other stuff Don I have been using this same method with good results.I use braided chalk line that is available in local hardware store.I use large needle and thread only about 1 - 1.5" through. ThenI take a needle and thread and rough sew the splice and trimthe ends. Makes for a smooth knotless binding cord. The sewingkeeps it from coming apart. Chris from whensel@ix.netcom.com Fri Nov 1 18:18:11 1996 Subject: Rodmakers who are Amature Radio Operators Hello, My name is Bill Hensel and my Ham Radio call is AA0RQ and I operate HF and would love to keep a sked with other rod makers either Via CW or SSB. I live in Littleton, Colorado. I am waiting for my Bamboo and one other item my depth gage point from Staret. I have built my forms and need only to set the bevel into them. I fish only with Bamboo sticks and look forward to building my own split cane rods this winter. I will follow relatively closley the Garrison book and the methods he developed and know other rod makers in Colorado who have great success with his methods. Anyway, thats about it from Colorado and I hope to hear from others who are novices in rod building and of course rod maker hams. I must admit that fly fishing has taken my away from the real world and I never can get enough of it. I wonder if their are others who have the illness. The way i figure it....rod building will allow me to extend my need for fly fishing during the winter so i dont crack up so to speak. Sincerely, Bill or if your a Ham 73 from jfoster@gte.net Fri Nov 1 19:02:13 1996 Subject: Archives The Oct Archives are updated Jerry from jfoster@gte.net Fri Nov 1 19:06:13 1996 Subject: Re: Stress Curves Group I've been following the thread about stress's. Since I've worked all the#'s to the inch, I have the stress values and the graphs at hand.. Isanyone interested in seeing them posted on the archive..be serioushowever, this is not trivial. However, if there is sufficient interesti'll do it gladly Jerry from jonrc@atlantic.net Fri Nov 1 19:39:10 1996 Subject: Re: Stress Curves This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6BE3E99FB3 Jerry Foster wrote: Group I've been following the thread about stress's. Since I've worked all the#'s to the inch, I have the stress values and the graphs at hand. Isanyone interested in seeing them posted on the archive..be serioushowever, this is not trivial. However, if there is sufficient interesti'll do it gladly JerryJerry I've got lots of stress curves and can run them myself but itseems that there are many that can not. I feel seeing, understanding anddiscussing stress curves is inportant to understanding a part of whatmakes a bamboo rod work. If there is enough interest and you have thespace I will be willing to help. The graphs of the stress curves I haveI can convert to jpg or gif files and send them to you for posting. I amalso willing to run the curves that others may submit and relay them toyou. Let me know if you can use the help. A cold water bamboo builder, stuck in a saltwater paraidise. I've attached a copy of how I do the stress curves. I hope it comesthrough. -- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain.Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together, the flyis taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running the lengthof the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mystery belowthe surface of the water Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc --------------6BE3E99FB3 ------------adD39510729B8 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from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Nov 1 20:46:49 1996 Subject: nodeless To all,Not being able to reach Richard Tyree via e-mail and starting my firstnodeless rod I need to know when to heat treat. (before gluing and planingthe splicing taper?).Any advice would be appreciated .Thanks,Hank Woolman. from hihoslvr@teleport.com Fri Nov 1 21:12:25 1996 Subject: Re: Stress Curves Group I've been following the thread about stress's. Since I've worked all the#'s to the inch, I have the stress values and the graphs at hand.. Isanyone interested in seeing them posted on the archive..be serioushowever, this is not trivial. However, if there is sufficient interesti'll do it gladly Jerry Jerry I would be very interested in the graphs. Ron from jfoster@gte.net Fri Nov 1 21:30:35 1996 Subject: Re: Stress Curves Ok,Ok i've got a test example posted for Chris's Big Dog.. Jon Clark hasalso voled to help as soon as we get the format down pat.Chris, otherscheck it out. now i need some rules,,,like when you submit a taper ineed to know the line fished # for the proper stressin' jerry from bconner@cybercom.net Fri Nov 1 22:31:20 1996 Subject: Re: nodeless To all,Not being able to reach Richard Tyree via e-mail and starting my firstnodeless rod I need to know when to heat treat. (before gluing and planingthe splicing taper?).Any advice would be appreciated .Thanks,Hank Woolman. Here's the order: flame (optional), saw to length, split, heat treat, splice, plane to taper. Just spread your split lengths out on a cookie sheet in the oven. Bruce Connerbconner@cybercom.net from FISHWOOL@aol.com Sat Nov 2 11:25:16 1996 Subject: Re: nodeless Bruce,Thanks for the help-that cookie sheet should work nicely.regards,Hank. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Sat Nov 2 17:48:53 1996 Subject: Lyon&Coulsonrod To all:I've found a Lyon & Coulson 8 1/2', 4 5/8 oz. Regent model rod.There was aPflueger Gem reel(#2095) in mint condition with it with an Abergrabby&Snatch:) tag on it . I assume that the reel and rod were purchased at thesame time-both are unused-the rod shows some heat damage to the finish. Thecork is mint with the stain of the rod finish on the front cork. The nodespacing is haphazard,action med. slow. Does any one know who made it?Thanks for any help I get,Hank Woolman. from WayneCatt@aol.com Sat Nov 2 21:00:17 1996 Subject: Designer Colors There a member of our family that likes purple - well now she is makingrods so dad is helping with the reelseats and such - Well - in case anyonewants a special colored reelseat or rod case try this. A local crafts storesells acrylic enamels in a variety of colors designed to use on cloth -Liquitex is the trade name. This paint can be diluted with water to create awater base stain. We use maple so the color in the jug looks basicly the sameon the wood. The boldness of the color can be controled by the amount ofwater used to dilute the paint.I don't have any blonde end sections handy but I think that the stainwould work on bamboo as well. Just think a Fushiaboo rod??????? Wayne Oh By The Way - A couple of weeks ago it wasn't a trip to the fly shopbut instead shopping for the short party dress and the high heels preparing from bruno8@primenet.com Sat Nov 2 21:05:20 1996 Organization: Fatherhood/Brotherhood Subject: Frank Armbruster Where's the website Frank? (Or anybody else who's lurking)Are my bookmarks outdated ahhwadt?! Help!Bill from jfoster@gte.net Sun Nov 3 00:23:49 1996 Subject: Re: Designer Colors Wayne I know YOU are a maple addict.. why don't you let the kid trypurpleheart.. couldn't hurt...much Jerry from jfoster@gte.net Sun Nov 3 00:25:25 1996 Subject: Re: Frank Armbruster Frank- Which website?Jerry from jfoster@gte.net Sun Nov 3 00:31:06 1996 Subject: Franks website Pardon me Bill, are you looking for Franks website?http://home.earthlink.net/~bootstrap/fishing/ I try to maintain the archive so you don't have those problemsJerry from cbogart@ibm.net Sun Nov 3 04:06:30 1996 Priority: Normal Subject: Re: Lyon&Coulsonrod Hank I found the info you wanted in Michael Sinclair"s book"Bamboo Rod Restoration Hankbook. This is an invaluable asset for all those you deal with old rods. Lyon & Coulson of buffalo sold rods made by othermanafacturers. L&C never made their own rods. It is hardto ID the maker of a few L&C rods. Most are Heddon products with theexception of some wraps they are identical to the rods sold by Heddon. The top of the line was the DeLuxe and the Regent was usually a Heddon #20 Bill Stanley's Favorite. Hope this helps Chris from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Sun Nov 3 06:38:16 1996 Subject: Glue A boat building friend living in Washington has mentioned in a mail that"System Three" epoxy is being used to build aircraft and will handle relativelyhigh temps. Has anybody tried it? Tony Young /*************************************************************//* http://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html *//*************************************************************/ from Fallcreek9@aol.com Sun Nov 3 08:46:58 1996 Subject: Vince Marinaro I have a Marinaro taper and ask if anyone knows how he prepared his cane?Specifically flaming, tempering, as well as glue used. Source of taper isdated 1950. Thanks,R Tyree from bootstrap@earthlink.net Sun Nov 3 09:06:16 1996 Subject: Re: Frank Armbruster Hi. Try:http://home.earthlink.net/~bootstrap/Frank from bootstrap@earthlink.net Sun Nov 3 09:16:34 1996 Subject: HELP! To sitemaster. I feel like a dummy! I've lost the instructions to "stand business trip and I don't want my mail box all filled up with newsgroupstuff. It's not that I'm not interested. It just gets to be too much.Please use this message as authorization to temporarily suspend me from thelist, but don't drop me altogether, I'll be back on the 20th. Thanks.Frank from jfoster@gte.net Sun Nov 3 09:21:05 1996 Subject: Tapers Chris Did you check out the new archive of your BIG DOG yet?Jerry I'm thinking about including the whole worksheet next I did the stresses with 60' of line fished from bruno8@primenet.com Sun Nov 3 11:44:50 1996 Organization: Fatherhood/Brotherhood Subject: Re: Frank Armbruster I've gotta get out more often...Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bill. from fiveside@net-gate.com Sun Nov 3 13:25:22 1996 Subject: rod geometry Thanks for signing me on to the Rodmaker's List. My address tells where I'mcoming from. Fiveside geometry is the winner over hex or quad in my book,but with limitations. First the stress limits must be observed. Second thefifteen percent weight penalty must be accepted(Chris Bogart's fluting mayhelp this). But beyond this my pentagon rods seem to be superior performers.Nate Uslan may well have been right. Comments? Bill Fink from WayneCatt@aol.com Sun Nov 3 17:59:03 1996 Subject: Re: Glue The standard System Three and West System used for boat construction isNOT a good glue to use in bamboo fly rod construction. I have used bothregular systems for building our AuSable riverboats(our other vise in life)and they work excellent for that. But neither is designed for the constanttorsional loading of a fly rod. I know that West System does formulate a highstrength and high temperature 125 /126 combination but it is usually onlyavailble from them directly in Bay City. The old adage applies - if its easyto get, its the wrong stuff. Wayne from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Nov 4 08:52:10 1996 Subject: Re: Vince Marinaro Hello Richard - I do not have any specifics on Marinaro's rods, but I dorecall seeing two of them at The American Museum of Fly Fishing inManchester,VT. Perhaps the people there can help you. Also, Datus Properwrote an article for one of the magazines on Marinaro's rod building (I thinkit was the TU publication). Sorry I can't be more help. -- Tom Smithwick P.S. The museum has a great rod collection. They actually had a Lambuthspiral rod on display. from Fallcreek9@aol.com Mon Nov 4 17:50:24 1996 Subject: Re: Vince Marinaro In a message dated 96-11-04 10:02:20 EST, you write: Hello Richard - I do not have any specifics on Marinaro's rods, but I dorecall seeing two of them at The American Museum of Fly Fishing inManchester,VT. Perhaps the people there can help you. Also, Datus Properwrote an article for one of the magazines on Marinaro's rod building (Ithinkit was the TU publication). Sorry I can't be more help. -- Tom Smithwick Hello TomAppreciate very much you info. Actually, the taper is for a 5' - 11" castingrod for qtr-oz casting lures. Found it in Charles K. Fox's "Advanced BaitCasting". Putnam, 1950. In it he states that it is the best of type he hadencountered, and that Vince Marinaro had given him the taper which hepublished. Will send it if you have any interest. Fox apparently did hishomework, because his info about cane and building was quite perceptive. Again, thanks for your input. Richard Tyree from Fallcreek9@aol.com Mon Nov 4 18:25:22 1996 Subject: Re: Vince Marinaro Hi Tom:A correction. The taper of the Marinaro is for a 6' - 6" casting rod, not a5' - 11" as mentioned. Richard Tyree from TSmithwick@aol.com Tue Nov 5 07:23:18 1996 Subject: Re: Vince Marinaro Richard - I would like to have the casting rod taper. Ive been meaning tobuild one of them for some time. Thanks -- Tom from whensel@ix.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 16:21:42 1996 Subject: Check Splitting I just recieved three 12 foot culms from Demarest. I am using the methods described in Garrison/Carmichael book. Is it nessary these days to check split the culms? I wonder if they are dryed enough for me to start the SPLITING PROCESS? In two days I will have my depth point to attach to my depth gage and I will be setting the 60 degree bevel in my wooden forms. PLEASE ATTEND TO MY QUESTION soon so prehaps I can get started this weekend on my rod. Regards, Bill Hensel Littleton, Colorado from lawdevil@ix.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 17:04:31 1996 Subject: Re: Check Splitting William Hensel wrote: In two days I will have my depth point to attach to my depth gageand I will be setting the 60 degree bevel in my wooden forms. Bill, sorry to keep bugging you. I'm just getting ready to start myself. Where did you get your depth point? Mike-- Mike Ray "...sex, death and fly- fishing;lawdevil@ix.netcom.com the meanings of life and sport;Atlanta, Georgia are we real participants or just observers,404-332-6661 and what kind of difference does it make?"Cashiers, NC John Gierach704-743-5625 from rbrown@cleanair.arb.ca.gov Tue Nov 5 17:34:07 1996 Subject: Re: Check Splitting Hi Mike: PMBI, but the 60 degree point you're seeking for use with a Dial Depth Guage is manufactured as the demand is moderate. However, any industrial supply house that carries Starrett tools can order one for you if its not on their shelf. I would assume that there are a number of industrial supply firms in the Atlanta area that you could contact. I can research the Part Number if you need it. Hope this helps. Regards, Rich Brown from cbogart@ibm.net Tue Nov 5 17:36:29 1996 Priority: Normal Subject: Re: Check Splitting Bill Yes it is still necessary to put a check split in culmswhen you get them. You will be surprised to see how muchit seperates after you have the culm for awhile. Chris from pwjones@onr.com Wed Nov 6 08:06:27 1996 Subject: Re: greenhart blanks Greenheart blanks are available as well as bamboo blanks from King of theHill. Sorry for the ad. Tom Kinghttp://www.kinghill.com Tom: Some weeks ago I requested catalogue info on the blanks. Is my request in precrss? Regards, Paul>Paul W. Jonespwjones@onr.com9306 Roxanna DriveAustin, Texas 78748512 282-6662Fax 282-5704 from rm5552@gumby.engsvc.hazeltine.com Wed Nov 6 08:39:55 1996 Subject: Check Splitting Bill Hensel's post about check splitting was very timely for me as Ihave also just received by first order from Demarest. Can anyonerecommend a good knife to use for splitting the cane? -Bob MatarazzoMelville, New York from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Wed Nov 6 09:59:17 1996 Subject: Re: Check Splitting Bill Hensel's post about check splitting was very timely for me as Ihave also just received by first order from Demarest. Can anyonerecommend a good knife to use for splitting the cane? -Bob MatarazzoMelville, New York Bob, There's no real need to get fancy with a splitting knife. Personally I have ground down a couple of old screw drivers. They workfine. I have also used a chisel to start the splits on the full culm butuse the screw drivers as a wedge to finish splitting. The culm will splitpretty much along the grain with just a little help to keep it straight ifit starts to wander. The main thing is to jump right in. After a coupleof culms you will get the feel on keeping the split straight. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado from rmoon@dns.ida.net Wed Nov 6 10:06:02 1996 Subject: Re: Check Splitting BobI have been using a meat cleaver for years. It is sturdy with a very wide blade to help in running the spit. for the fine splits, however, I use a set of splitting tools as Garrison suggests. Mine are made from spade bits appropriately ground. Handy because they come in varying widths. Also rather than run the spit from one end to the other, I start the split at the nodes and run it from one node split tothe next. I must tell you that splitting is much more difficult that it may appear. Ralph Moon from hadn@chevron.com Wed Nov 6 10:39:25 1996 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu);Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:39:18 -0800 Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:39:18 -0800 Subject: Finishing Encoding: 31 TEXT Fellow rodmakers,I just got finished refinishing a dresser, and aftera little experimentation I got an excellent finishwhich virtually glows on it's own. I don't see whythis wouldn't work on a rod. I started off with tung oil, three applications. Let dry for a week using the hair dryer trick mentioneda little while ago on this list. When no more oilweeps out, apply a 50/50 thinner and polyurethanevarnish mix. Let dry overnight. Apply three coatsof straight polyurethane. Let dry thoroughly, atleast a week. Sand lightly with 400 wet drysandpaper and water. Then sand thoroughlywith 600 wet dry sandpaper and water. Thenbuff completely with Turtle Wax PolishingCompound. The sanding and polishing removesthat slight dulling film that forms on the surfaceof dry polyurethane. Be sure to get PolishingCompound, not Rubbing Compound. Rubbingcompound is much more abrasive. Any automotivestore will have Polishing Compound. Also, don't get too vigorous with the sandpaper.You don't want to sand through down into the(wood in my case) bamboo below. All you wantto do is take off the surface layer. The finish onmy dresser is very impressive. I think it will beequally impressive on a rod. Darryl Hayashida from WayneCatt@aol.com Wed Nov 6 11:01:17 1996 Subject: Re: Check Splitting If you are intending to buy a 'knife' for splitting I would recommend abamboo froe from The Japan Woodworker. If you have access to a piece of 3/16x 1 1/4" flat stock(CRS 12'' in length you can make your own by sharpeningthe first 3" to a blade and then ad a wood handle or cardboard wrapped withelectrical tape. The handle absorbs shock and later when you are using thefroe to splitt the culm into smaller pieces the handle will give you betterleverage.Be warned that some 'knives' are very brittle and are not intended to bestruck as in making the drying splits. Wayne from whensel@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:05:46 1996 Subject: Re: Check Splitting You wrote: Bill Hensel's post about check splitting was very timely for me as Ihave also just received by first order from Demarest. Can anyonerecommend a good knife to use for splitting the cane? -Bob MatarazzoMelville, New York Dear Bob, I used a number of knives from cold steel which I dont recommend because they are exspensive but I had them. I answered my own question as soon as I started a split at the but end the split instantly travelled all the way to the end. I also just got the depth gage point from ups a few minutes ago. So on my lunch break i will go home and split my first halves into three splitts for a total of six.Bob this is my first rod and I have the garrison/Carmichael book I am building the 7'6'' rod. best regards, Bill Hensel from whensel@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:14:37 1996 Subject: Re: Check Splitting You wrote: William Hensel wrote: In two days I will have my depth point to attach to my depth gageand I will be setting the 60 degree bevel in my wooden forms. Bill, sorry to keep bugging you. I'm just getting ready to start myself. Where did you get your depth point? Mike-- Mike Ray "...sex, death and fly- fishing;lawdevil@ix.netcom.com the meanings of life and sport;Atlanta, Georgia are we real participants or just observers,404-332-6661 and what kind of difference does it make?"Cashiers, NC John Gierach704-743-5625 Hello Mike, I would of gotten back to you eariler but the computer screwed up.I paid $120.00 for three 12ft culms and that encludes shipping. I already started the intial spliting process there was no need depth point from a local company that ordered the Starret #6 contact point PT06632/6 these are the numbers right on the Starret package. Cost was $3.05 I paid a shipping cost because the company in denver I order it from was almost to kansas . Regards, Bill Hensel Kept in touch with your progress its fun to share the development process as us novices crawl along. from hadn@chevron.com Wed Nov 6 11:21:10 1996 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu);Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:21:05 -0800 Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:21:05 -0800 Subject: RE: Check Splitting Encoding: 19 TEXT this is my first rod and I have the garrison/Carmichael book I am building the 7'6'' rod. I also started out with the Garrison/Carmichael book, and it'san excellent "How To" reference, but I was sorely disappointedwith the action of my finished product. Use the tapers in theback of Wayne Cattanach's book, especially the 7 ft 4 wt 2piece. Unless you know for sure you like Garrison tapers,I think you will be much more satisfied with Cattanachtapers. Darryl Hayashida from lostrivr@im4u.net Wed Nov 6 16:53:59 1996 Subject: Re: Check Splitting At 09:40 AM 11/6/96 EST, you wrote:Bill Hensel's post about check splitting was very timely for me as Ihave also just received by first order from Demarest. Can anyonerecommend a good knife to use for splitting the cane? -Bob MatarazzoMelville, New York Bob,Don't worry too much about the tool to use for splitting. I use a sheathknife that also works for dressing deer. When it comes to the fine stuffsome guys use an awl or a finish nail driven into a board or a skewchisel....get the picture. You need to set up your own system. I alwayssplit strips into halves. Cane is concave and inorder to get a straightsplit one must separate it into halves. I hope this makes sense. It helpsif you flame or heat treat the culm....Green cane does not usually split well. Ron Barch Subject: Re: reel seats This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------79A168E26BC Everyone I received my reel seat turning mandrel set from Steve Wilks yesterdayand turned down an experimental set just to see how it worked. Great! Ifany of you have ever turned pens, this is easier. Steve did a great jobof machining and is now set up to provide these for us. The cost per setwill run around $30. and well worth it. The set has an internally threaded # 1,or #2 morse taper and one mandrelof either a 1/4", 5/16", 3/8",or 10mm diameter. It has three pairs ofcolars for finishing to the standard reel seat diameters of.650", .685", and .730". It also has one extra narrow colar forundercutting (butcaps, cork checks, etc.).It also includes a brassknurled finger nut for quick assembly. I'll post this on the archive for future reference but meanwhile you canreach Steve at pentools@aol.com or at 972-579-8841Jerry --------------79A168E26BC 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79A168E26BC-- from whensel@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 20:45:45 1996 Subject: Garrison Tapers For 7'6" 4 wt Is there anyone out there who has built rods from Garrisons Tapers and been happy with the results. Only people who have actually built rods and fished with them. No lip service E mails please. Bill Hensel from RckyMtKane@aol.com Wed Nov 6 23:55:51 1996 Subject: Re: Garrison Tapers For 7'6" 4 wt Bill I personally have built Garrisons 7 ft. 201 which I think works well with aDT 3 line I love this rod and a friend of mine bought one I've had since ' 92and had fished it hard all this time. I guess he liked it too!!Joe from RckyMtKane@aol.com Thu Nov 7 00:19:04 1996 Subject: Re: Garrison Tapers For 7'6" 4 wt Bill I forgot to mention that I have probably built and sold more 7'6" DT 4 rodson Cattanach's tapers than anything else, this is a great rod that I havefished when it's to windy for Garrison's 3 wt. and I really like it too.Come to think of it, my favorite rod is the one that I'm fishing at the time!!!Good luck Joe from fraysier@mounet.com Thu Nov 7 04:08:10 1996 Subject: Re: reel seats Jerry,Saw your post on the mandrel set and would like more info. Sorry to show myignorance, but is this for making the wooden parts of the seat or can it beused for the metal also? What style seats are you making with it?Larry ----------From: Jerry Foster Subject: Re: reel seatsDate: Wednesday, November 06, 1996 8:53 PM Everyone I received my reel seat turning mandrel set from Steve Wilks yesterdayand turned down an experimental set just to see how it worked. Great! Ifany of you have ever turned pens, this is easier. Steve did a great jobof machining and is now set up to provide these for us. The cost per setwill run around $30. and well worth it. The set has an internally threaded # 1,or #2 morse taper and one mandrelof either a 1/4", 5/16", 3/8",or 10mm diameter. It has three pairs ofcolars for finishing to the standard reel seat diameters of.650", .685", and .730". It also has one extra narrow colar forundercutting (butcaps, cork checks, etc.).It also includes a brassknurled finger nut for quick assembly. I'll post this on the archive for future reference but meanwhile you canreach Steve at pentools@aol.com or at 972-579-8841Jerry from michael@wupsych.wustl.edu Thu Nov 7 11:10:16 1996 Subject: Ferrules I just tried calling the telephone number for Classic SportingEnterprises to try and get some ferrules. I got a recordingsaying the number is no longer valid. I got the number offof a package of ferrule I currently have. First off, can we as rodbuilders order directly from CSE? Ifso, does anyone have a current telephone number? Do you knowwhat his minimum order is? Secondly, does anyone have a list of other suppliers of NS ferrules? I need to get a hold of a set of 11/64's pretty quickly. Thanks... Mike - ferrule challendged - BiondoSt. Louis, Mo. from WayneCatt@aol.com Thu Nov 7 11:33:29 1996 Subject: Re: Ferrules Mike - Clasic Sporting EntRoaring Brook RoadRFD #3 Box #3Barton, Vt 05822 802 - 525 - 3523 direct sales - discounts on volume purchases from JCZIMNY@dol.net Thu Nov 7 13:18:14 1996 Subject: Re: Ferrules Michael Biondo wrote: I just tried calling the telephone number for Classic SportingEnterprises to try and get some ferrules. I got a recordingsaying the number is no longer valid. I got the number offof a package of ferrule I currently have. First off, can we as rodbuilders order directly from CSE? Ifso, does anyone have a current telephone number? Do you knowwhat his minimum order is? Secondly, does anyone have a list of other suppliers of NS ferrules? I need to get a hold of a set of 11/64's pretty quickly. Thanks... Mike - ferrule challendged - BiondoSt. Louis, Mo. Yes, you can order direct. there is a discount of 40% if you order $500 worth of ferrules.John from JCZIMNY@dol.net Thu Nov 7 13:18:17 1996 Subject: Re: Garrison Tapers For 7'6" 4 wt William Hensel wrote: Is there anyone out there who has built rods from Garrisons Tapers andbeen happy with the results. Only people who have actually built rodsand fished with them. No lip service E mails please. Bill HenselYes I've built quite a few Garrisons and I like them well. They suite an old time caster better than a more modern one. At the designed distances and weights they perform very well. At the extremes of this range they tend to collapse. I much prefer the Young tapers when variability of distances and weights are prefered. John from fiveside@net-gate.com Thu Nov 7 13:26:14 1996 Subject: Biographys for TPF To the list: Great idea about including biographys of the lesser known rodbuilders in TPF. Baird Foster (Issue 16) and Cecil Pierce (Issue 11) weresummarized to the best of my ability. Don't know who could supply more infoon Baird unless maybe someone in the NY Angler's Club. But for sure our ownGeorge Barnes could do justice to his friend Cecil Pierce. And at the sametime give us the background on GEORGE BARNES!!! These Maine Men aresomething else! Bill Fink from whensel@ix.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 19:00:26 1996 Subject: Staggering Nodes I have splitt 12 pieces out of the thick section of the culm that was cut a 6 ft by Darmerest. I intend to use this section for the but of my 7'6". The other 6ft section will be split into 12 pieces for the tip section. It seems to me that I should be able to construct the bute section with staggered nodes but with no splicing required. I am looking at page 19 in the Garrison book and I cannot figure out exactly what to do. Please assist this dummy. Regards Bill Hensel "once I touch it....it is mine" from TSmithwick@aol.com Thu Nov 7 19:15:10 1996 Subject: Garrison Tapers William Hensel writes: from FISHWOOL@aol.com Thu Nov 7 20:31:02 1996 Subject: Re: Staggering Nodes Bill,Split out 6 strips and number them 1 - 6, then place them in a1,5,3,6,2,4 rotation and stagger them about 1 3/4 "-2" beyond each other andcut off the length you need. When you put them in a 1-6 or 6-1 rotation eachnode is then supported by solid cane on each side. Hope this helps.Hank Woolman. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Thu Nov 7 20:36:05 1996 Subject: Re: Garrison Tapers Bill,I have to agree with Tom. Only I don't like 'em.Hank. from whensel@ix.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 21:07:46 1996 Subject: Re: Staggering Nodes You wrote: Bill,Split out 6 strips and number them 1 - 6, then place them in a1,5,3,6,2,4 rotation and stagger them about 1 3/4 "-2" beyond each other andcut off the length you need. When you put them in a 1-6 or 6-1 rotation eachnode is then supported by solid cane on each side. Hope this helps.Hank Woolman. Hank thanks for the reply you stated the method in the book I understand that, however oh I think I see I forgot they go back to the 1-6 rotation. Cool every new step is big learning curve since I have never walked this path before. Regards Bill Hensel AA0RQ from JCZIMNY@dol.net Thu Nov 7 23:02:13 1996 Subject: Re: Staggering Nodes William Hensel wrote: I have splitt 12 pieces out of the thick section of the culm that wascut a 6 ft by Darmerest. I intend to use this section for the but ofmy 7'6". The other 6ft section will be split into 12 pieces for thetip section. It seems to me that I should be able to construct the bute sectionwith staggered nodes but with no splicing required. I am looking atpage 19 in the Garrison book and I cannot figure out exactly what todo. Please assist this dummy. Regards Bill Hensel "once I touch it....it is mine" Garrison spliced several of his butt strips because he was using 8 ft.culms. You don't have that problem. John from RckyMtKane@aol.com Fri Nov 8 07:10:02 1996 Subject: Re: Staggering Nodes BillOne thing that was a big help to me was Wayne Cattanach's book, this book andGarrison's book read together have greatly complimented each other and I usewhichever one helps me to understand what I'm trying to do. If you can't getyour hands on one locally I have one.Joe from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Fri Nov 8 08:38:22 1996 Subject: Re: Re: Staggering Nodes Bill, You can stagger nodes like Garrison using the marking process but I'm notsure its neccessary. There are several other methods that are used:- node/space - node/space [think this is called 2*2- node/space/space - node/space/space [think this is call 3*3- staggered all over nodes [used by a lot manufacturers - nodes went intothe rod however they came out of the milling machine- nodes were locatedbeside each other a lot]Each will work. I personally like the 3*3 method. Cuts down on cane wasteand allows flexibilty if the strip has some imperfection that you need toget around. Not sure that any method is the best by test. Don At 17:00 07/11/96 -0800, you wrote:I have splitt 12 pieces out of the thick section of the culm that was cut a 6 ft by Darmerest. I intend to use this section for the but of my 7'6". The other 6ft section will be split into 12 pieces for the tip section. It seems to me that I should be able to construct the bute section with staggered nodes but with no splicing required. I am looking at page 19 in the Garrison book and I cannot figure out exactly what to do. Please assist this dummy. Regards Bill Hensel "once I touch it....it is mine" from 76250.1771@CompuServe.COM Fri Nov 8 11:03:04 1996 Subject: Greyrock 97 Wayne -I've been off line for awhile - so - here's my .02 cents on theGreyrock threads... Cost/Budget- the "registration" fee is a minor cost compared to the total cost of gas,motel,food,flies(Steve always hassomething I need), etc. Charge the $20.00 or 25.00and if there's any left in the kitty put it towards the "memento",T-shirt,rodmakers apron, etc. or put it towards Greyrock '98.Bill Ballen - Great idea!.. Binder-day - another great idea -sign me up ( I'musing a Garrison style I made from 3/4" plywood faced with a scrap piece of lexan and a plastic baby- buggy wheel for a pully..it works butI'd like something better). A couple of other ideas... How about a repeat of your presentation onrod/taper design? I know I heard all of it but only got about 20% - how about a repeat for some of us old-guys who are a little slowand the new folks who haven't heard it yet?Also more info on how to convert a taper to a different length and/or lineweight. For those of us who are power-tool impaired and never took metal shop can someone give a demo/discusion onbuilding reel seats and wood spacers? How about some info on different blueing compounds and how they areused? Bulk orders - I don't need any more bamboo but the Demarest order seemed to workwell last year... also Bailey Woods,Classic Sporting Ent. offers discounts (40%) on larger orders of ferrules-anyinterest in getting together a group order atGreyrock (bring you order,bring your cash -we'll send the order out afterGreyrock and ship the ferrules when they come in)? Dennis Higham from george.barnes@acornbbs.com Fri Nov 8 14:58:12 1996 Organization: Acorn BBS Subject: Delrin Does anyone know a source of supply for the Delrin plastic that was mentioned in connection with binder construction a week or so ago? Finding supplies in this area is a nightmare! If it's not at least 25 years old and outmoded in the rest of the country, our suppliers don't even know it exists. Thanks for the help. George Barnes from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Nov 8 20:01:52 1996 Subject: Re: Greyrock 97 Dennis,Great ideas for Greyrock-especially for us "old" guys.Thanks for thetapers-I was off list 'til Oct.Hank. from WayneCatt@aol.com Fri Nov 8 20:02:49 1996 Subject: The 'Ballan' Special When our family goes off fishing there is a Filson pack bag that goeswith us. In it we carry the reels. Collectively we own 9 with a couple moreon the way. They are all made by one person - Bill Ballan. In the collectionthere are two that have a fly inprinted on the side plate - they are thefirst that Bill ever made. Along with being a reel maker Bill has a fair collection of 'woodies'and in recent years has asked a few of us to make a special rod for him. Therod is a 7' 6" 5 weight and 3 weight 3 piece. If you have been on the list Personally I am making a 6" 3" 2 - 4 weight with a completion schedule forGrayrock 97.Now a dual lined rod could be called a novelity because it is somewhatof a compromise of design - the heavier line will be a slower action from thebase design and the light line will be a faster. Understand, for lack of abetter start point the rod taper is an average of the mid and butt sectiondesign tapers. Follow - first I started with a 5 weight rod taper then I rana hexrod to create a 3 weight of the same character. Now the tips will beexactly as design. The butt section is then a straight line average of thedimensions from 60" to 90". The mids now need to transend from the given tipferrule dimensions to the new second ferrule dimension of the averaged buttsection. The ringer in this is that the base design I used has a hinge in themidsection which results in a flare from a straight line so this had to beaveraged as well. The resulting dimensions follow.Another little thing - there are 4 tips to the rod so you need at least24 pieces from the upper culm and another 18 from the lower part. First Iwould recommend using a culm with defects and secondly I would split to morethan 24 pieces from the upper culm - I chose to split to 32. The pattern went2 - 4 - 8 - 16 - 32. The Numbers:Tip .063" .070"05 .073" .081"10 .084" .092"15 .104" .116"20 .124" .140"25 .132" .150"30 .141" .160"35 .158" .176"40 .175" .192"45 .192" .207"50 .206" .216"55 .220" .225"60 .234"65 .244"70 .255"75 .266"80 .277"85 .277"90 .277" Ferrules #9, #11,& #15 (Trunncated) Wayne Ps - The reason for the 2 - 4 combo is a 4 for regular fishing and a 2 forthose brookies on the East branch and this 'other' spot. from WayneCatt@aol.com Fri Nov 8 20:09:42 1996 Subject: Re: Delrin George -Here in Casnovia I get Delrin (and most other plastics) from CadillacPlastics - they have every thing from a scrap pile that you can rummagethrough to custom ordered shapes and sizes. Recently they moved to a newfacility to have a bigger warehouse. What do you need????????????? Wayne from WayneCatt@aol.com Fri Nov 8 20:16:44 1996 Subject: OOPS!!!!!! Well - when brain and fingers are not one with keyboard - For making a rodwith 4 tips chose a culm WITHOUT defects. Wayne from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Fri Nov 8 20:22:45 1996 Subject: Re: Delrin Suppliers George, A company called Mcmaster-Carr is a hardware supplier toindustrial/commercial operations and stocks Delrin in about any size/shapeyou might need.They have a web page http://www.mcmaster.com and email from the page.They supplied me with some hollow ground bearing scrapers for enamel removalwhen I couldn't find them anywhere else. They had a bunch of styles.They also stock a host of things that may/could be useful to the builder. If you perfer the mail: McMaster-CarrP.O. Box 54960Los AnglesesCalif.90054 Sorry, couldn't find a 800 number. Regards, Don A George,If you just need some small pieces, give me a shout. I got a couple of 100bucks worth of the stuff in my basement. I use it for all kinds of rodbuilding/fly tying tools. Don At 15:53 08/11/96 -0500, you wrote: Does anyone know a source of supply for the Delrin plastic that was mentioned in connection with binder construction a week or so ago? Finding supplies in this area is a nightmare! If it's not at least 25 years old and outmoded in the rest of the country, our suppliers don't even know it exists. Thanks for the help. George Barnes from WayneCatt@aol.com Fri Nov 8 21:36:53 1996 Subject: Big Dog Thought I was just in the basement whiffing bamboo fumes and came up with achallenge for those of you (Chris - Tom - et el) that appreciate 'Big Dog'rods. Lets say you design a rod (9' 0" - 4 piece) that would also become a(6' 9" - 3 piece) for those more petite moments. Yes - Reed you could havethat 'one' rod. The 'Big Dog' for your home waters and the 'lil pup' forthose visits to say - Grayrock.I would think that it could be quite simple - take a parabolic for a 90"action length and simply fore shorten it to 70" action length. The stiffeningof the mid section for the 'dog' would occur in the 3rd and butt and thestiffening for the 'pup' would occur in the upper butt. I think that with afew runs of hexrod you could fit a character curve that would work for thesame line weight or perhaps a one line size drop between 'dog' and 'pup'. Wayne from GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDU Fri Nov 8 23:48:28 1996 Subject: Greyrock 97 This "newbie" post is mainly for the the builders in the rockies or westmaking the trek to Mich does not set well with my chief-of-staff so if anyof the makers or like myself aspiring to plane individuals that would perhapswant to somehow rod(car)builder pool i would like to e-mail with thanks fortolerance from the rest of the listmemebersgerald(jerry)johnsongjflyfsh@uwyo.edu from maiello@yorku.ca Sat Nov 9 10:44:16 1996 Subject: Re: Big Dog Thought Great idea Wayne. How would it work? You need two ferrules the same size on your second section (ie upper butt) so that you can remove it and slide on your mid. Am I seeing this right? I remember seeing somewhere (The planing form I think) a rod in which thehandle had ferrules in it so you could remove the butt, reverse thehandle (I think) and slide on the mid. Mauro On Fri, 8 Nov 1996 WayneCatt@aol.com wrote: I was just in the basement whiffing bamboo fumes and came up with achallenge for those of you (Chris - Tom - et el) that appreciate 'Big Dog'rods. Lets say you design a rod (9' 0" - 4 piece) that would also become a(6' 9" - 3 piece) for those more petite moments. Yes - Reed you could havethat 'one' rod. The 'Big Dog' for your home waters and the 'lil pup' forthose visits to say - Grayrock.I would think that it could be quite simple - take a parabolic for a 90"action length and simply fore shorten it to 70" action length. The stiffeningof the mid section for the 'dog' would occur in the 3rd and butt and thestiffening for the 'pup' would occur in the upper butt. I think that with afew runs of hexrod you could fit a character curve that would work for thesame line weight or perhaps a one line size drop between 'dog' and 'pup'. Wayne from WayneCatt@aol.com Sat Nov 9 12:02:32 1996 Subject: Re: Young rod Tom -USUALLY - the 50's Youngs used black snake (perfection) and #219 goldwraps - the spiral space wrap is the tip off of age - If you can't find thethread I just happen to have an ounce spool that I can send some from. TheBrown wrapping didn't start until the 60's but didn't have spirals - the redwith black trim came with Todd.There were many experimental rods come from the Youngs - some planned- some milling errors - the 8 1/2' may be a 'Yellowstone' which never made itor it might have been a blank finished by the owner - that happened quiteofften as well. Wayne from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Sat Nov 9 12:20:45 1996 Subject: Re: Check Splitting Bill, Go for it. Check split the ones you don't use and get after the other. Iknow there are folks out there who says you have to dry the culm for years?but do it anyway. I know that some of the major manufacturers had culms comein one door and finished splines that same day. The check splitting is only split to go where you want it, and not from several places that can happenwhen you leave a culm for a while.Have fun. Don At 14:21 05/11/96 -0800, you wrote:I just recieved three 12 foot culms from Demarest. I am using the methods described in Garrison/Carmichael book. Is it nessary these days to check split the culms? I wonder if they are dryed enough for me to start the SPLITING PROCESS? In two days I will have my depth point to attach to my depth gage and I will be setting the 60 degree bevel in my wooden forms. PLEASE ATTEND TO MY QUESTION soon so prehaps I can get started this weekend on my rod. Regards, Bill Hensel Littleton, Colorado from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Sat Nov 9 12:50:39 1996 Subject: HELP! This morning when I was gluing up a butt section my binder started givingme problems. Since I was using URAC and it cleans up with water I quicklyrinsed the glue off of the strips. My question now is how much moisture did I pick up? I am planning to heatthe strips again at @ 150 degrees for one hour. Will this be sufficient toremove themoisture? Does any one out there have any better suggestion? A quickanswer would be greatly appreciated as I sure would like to get this rod glued thisweek end while I have time. Thanks in advance, Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado from jonrc@atlantic.net Sat Nov 9 13:17:06 1996 Subject: Re: HELP! Jim Fillpot wrote: My question now is how much moisture did I pick up? I am planning to heatthe strips again at @ 150 degrees for one hour. Will this be sufficient toremove themoisture? Does any one out there have any better suggestion? A quickanswer would be greatly appreciated as I sure would like to get this rod glued thisweek end while I have time. Thanks in advance, Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado Jim, my recommendation would be to leave it in the oven for a longerperion of time, you want to make sure that ALL THE MOISTURE is outbefore you glue it. Be sure to bind it first also, if your oven gets tohot the strips could bend. Binding it will help keep them straight. Iwould leave it in the oven foe 6 to 12 hours at a low temp to make sureall the moisture is out. Living in Florida I have to deal with moistureall the time and have had some strips in my oven for days some times atlow temps. Good luck -- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Sat Nov 9 13:37:16 1996 Subject: Re: HELP! Jim, my recommendation would be to leave it in the oven for a longerperion of time, you want to make sure that ALL THE MOISTURE is outbefore you glue it. Be sure to bind it first also, if your oven gets tohot the strips could bend. Binding it will help keep them straight. Iwould leave it in the oven foe 6 to 12 hours at a low temp to make sureall the moisture is out. Living in Florida I have to deal with moistureall the time and have had some strips in my oven for days some times atlow temps. Good luck -- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc Johnathan, Thanks for the in put. When you suggest the 6 to 12 hours atlow temp, What are you considering as low temp? Is the 150 degrees OK ordo you recommend lower? Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado from jonrc@atlantic.net Sat Nov 9 13:56:05 1996 Subject: Re: HELP! 150 or lower, if you have a acurate scale weigh it as Wayne talks aboutin his book. Keep drying until it stops loosing weight. -- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Sat Nov 9 15:54:23 1996 Subject: re: HELP Johnathan, Thanks again for the promt answer. Tour help was greatlyappreciated. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado from richjez@wwa.com Sat Nov 9 16:50:36 1996 Subject: Re: Big Dog Thought I remember seeing somewhere (The planing form I think) a rod in which thehandle had ferrules in it so you could remove the butt, reverse thehandle (I think) and slide on the mid.Mauro I have a Japnees 50's type flyrod/casting rod. It has feffels in the but to reverse it. The first and second section are the same. There are 2 tips. One revesal of the handle is for the different reel and its location.Rich *_________________________________)// Rich Jezioro @ / /|| __________________________________________________|| /\ / \ > > > from Fallcreek9@aol.com Sat Nov 9 17:30:38 1996 Subject: Re: Check Splitting Bill:One other thought. I once received some 12-ft culms, and began a check splitthru the 1st couple of nodes ala Garrison, expecting the splits to walk righton out thru the tip. Didn't happen, and I got some random fissures in theupper sections, thus loosing some cane. Therefore recommend you check split,and do so full length. Good luck.R Tyree from cpence@mwci.net Sat Nov 9 18:27:29 1996 Organization: Highland College Subject: South Bend Silk Thread Am writing for a friend who just acquired a single spool of silk rodwrapping thread at an estate auction. It's marked 'South Bend #251 00 50yds rod winding, silk' and appears to be in fine shape. Please contacthim if you can use it: Dave Kohn (dkohn@micro.honeywell.com) from GLohkamp@aol.com Sat Nov 9 23:56:01 1996 Subject: re:tapers I would like to find some information about ,rod design .I'am interested inploting stress curves,anything related to the use of naval architects splinesand weights for plotting tapers. new compter progams ect. also would like tohear suggestions for a 6.5 ft 2 wt 2pc rod, i have no example tapers to lookat thanks for your time glohkamp@aol.com from RckyMtKane@aol.com Sun Nov 10 08:40:16 1996 Subject: Re: tapers Try this add http://www.teleport.com/~gord/tapers.shtmlAlso in the archives you will find Wayne Cattanach's program Hexrod 96 whichyou can download and will help you design tapers.Good luckJoe from TSmithwick@aol.com Sun Nov 10 10:40:48 1996 Subject: Re: Big Dog Thought Wayne writes: from TSmithwick@aol.com Sun Nov 10 10:40:54 1996 Subject: Re: Young rod Wayne - Thanks for the Info. I don't want to take your thread, but wouldappreciate if you would send me a small piece so I can color match. I stillcan't figure this rod out The handle looks like a factory job for sure. Thewrappings could be amateur, but some are definitly better than others. Allwere applied after the blank was finished. I suppose it is possible that allthe wraps were replaced at one time or another. I have a small stash of thePayne java beige silk BTW if you ever need any.-Thanks Tom Smithwick 10 S.Jackson Ave, Wenonah, NJ 08090 from lostrivr@im4u.net Sun Nov 10 19:58:57 1996 Subject: re:tapers At 12:55 AM 11/10/96 -0500, you wrote:I would like to find some information about ,rod design .I'am interested inploting stress curves,anything related to the use of naval architects splinesand weights for plotting tapers. new compter progams ect. also would like tohear suggestions for a 6.5 ft 2 wt 2pc rod, i have no example tapers to lookat thanks for your time glohkamp@aol.com To Whom It May Concern,I don't know who you are but want to respond to your inquiry. In theNov/Dec 96 issue of The Planing Form will be an article on Using Naval Arch.Splines by Tom Fulk. The newsletter should be in the mail just afterThanksgiving weekend.Ron Barch> from LANE@dsa.unt.edu Mon Nov 11 08:28:49 1996 Mon, 11 Nov 96 8:28:41 -600 Subject: re:Burnt Orange Thread....again.Priority: normal Being way to quick with the "D" key when busy, I lost the name of the person who was thinking about getting and splitting some Burnt Orange wrapping thread. Please E-mail me privately if you were the person going to order this! Thanks! (Sorry for the bandwidth) tim(Lane@DSA.UNT.EDU) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ \ \ / / ///"Tim"othy M. Lane, Ph.D. \\\\ \ /// Psychologist/Asst. Professor O===============###########Psychology Dept. Univ. of North Texas / / / \ \ \\ Denton, Texas, / / / \\ \ \\ Lane@DSA.UNT.EDU // / / \\ ll "Hey, YOU! Out of the Gene Pool!" from cbogart@ibm.net Mon Nov 11 17:24:53 1996 Priority: Normal Subject: Re: Big Dog Thought Wayne / Tom Multi rod design. Did anyone see Leon Hansen's versionof a 3 piece with mixed butt / mid / and tips to get a whole slewof combinations at Grayrock - 96 ?? I think he achieved a lot of whatwe are talking about. he uses it as a demo rod to try out actions onclients. Chris from GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDU Mon Nov 11 20:10:33 1996 Subject: Greyrock info If someone has the time would they contact me off the list for info concerning Greyrock 97 the questions a real newbie questions that whyi mentioned if you have time.gerald (jerry)johnsongjflyfsh@uwyo.edu from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Tue Nov 12 14:09:35 1996 Subject: High Stress I just glued up a new rod. I over planed the top 10-15 inches. I justran the taper mail program and came up with a stress number of 330,000 at the 10"point. Is this over the limit? Am I pushing the stress to the point of breakingthe tip? This is already a tip action rod, If I go down to a lighter weightline the butt is going to be very stiff. Has anyone else out there built rods with this high of stress number andnot had the rod fail? Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado from cbogart@ibm.net Tue Nov 12 18:57:44 1996 Priority: Normal Subject: Re: High Stress Jim Include the taper numbers to see what it looks like.Also what was planned line weight and what distanceyou want to fish it at. Chris from jfoster@gte.net Tue Nov 12 20:59:52 1996 Subject: Re: Big Dog Thought Chris Check out your stresses now.. not really quit what i wanted ...but Jerry Am busy again working on hex..excel from JCZIMNY@dol.net Tue Nov 12 23:39:02 1996 Subject: Re: Big Dog Thought Jerry Foster wrote: Chris Check out your stresses now.. not really quit what i wanted ...but Jerry Am busy again working on hex..excel Jerry , Why not Quad.exel??? John from WayneCatt@aol.com Wed Nov 13 00:23:41 1996 Subject: Ok - Ok - So It's 'C' Now Well I never claimed to be a rocket scientist or any such thing when itcomes to computers. I run on sort of the fly by the @$$ of the pants attitudethere and it came back to bite me the other night. As I have promised, Istarted to load in all the tapers - but then it hit - I couldn't change the'comments' or 'design data' before I saved to disk. So I have now added that.And I thought that I needed to show the ferrule weights on the printouts -otherwise there wouldn't be a clue to anyone as to what size was used for thedesign. Sooo - Version 'C' - But before I throw out another 'patch' I thoughtthat I would finish inputing the tapers to disk and then 'zip' them together.Other than using PKZIP is there anything special that I need to do so that itcan be downloaded and such??????????? Wayne from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Wed Nov 13 07:49:28 1996 Subject: re: HIGH STRESS! Chris, The design was for a 4 wt. line, but I was around thousandths under on the first fifteen inches. The stress numbers for a 4 weight with those dimensions run around 330,000 at the 10" point. The numbers look closer to design goal with a 3 wt. line, around 280,000. However thebutt would be very stiff. My question is am I running a risk of damage to the rod using the 4wt with stresses in the 330,000 range? Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado from hadn@chevron.com Wed Nov 13 11:32:50 1996 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu);Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:32:44 -0800 Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:32:44 -0800 Subject: Fast 2 wt. Encoding: 41 TEXT I just finished and test casted this 6' 3" 2 wt. 3 piece.I tend to go for the 3 piecers because I do a lot ofhiking to get to the fishing spots I like. This rod is real nice if you like a faster action 2 wt. A 3 wt. line slows it down a little bit. Don't use this rod if you expect to catch lunkers, it's designed for those upper elevation small creek wild trout. This rod roll casts like a dream. Notice the 45 inchstation, that's the Cattanach hinge. Sta. Dia. 0 0.056 5 0.061 10 0.078 15 0.097 20 0.116 25 0.132 30 0.152 35 0.167 40 0.184 45 0.186 50 0.212 55 0.229 60 0.242 65 0.248 70 0.248 75 0.248 Ferrules are a 9/64ths at 25 inchesand a 14/64ths at 50 inches. Witha little fitting a 4 tip top works buttry it out first. You might not wantto fuss with it too much. In thatcase try a 5. It should slip overeasily. Darryl Hayashida from hadn@chevron.com Wed Nov 13 12:49:31 1996 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu);Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:49:07 -0800 Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:49:07 -0800 Subject: Leonard Stress Curve Encoding: 31 TEXT I've been graphing up a few stress curves tosee what they look like, and I came acrossa Leonard 6' 10" 4 wt. The stress curve lookslike this: | *| * *| * *| * * *| * * * *| * * * *| * * * * * | * * *| * *| * * | * * *| * | * | * | * | ________________________________________________ This is by far the strangest stress curve I haveseen. Can anybody explain what he was trying todo? Has anyone actually casted this rod? Darryl Hayashida from cbogart@ibm.net Wed Nov 13 13:35:51 1996 Priority: Normal Subject: re: HIGH STRESS! Jim I was interested in seeing all the numbers. But, fromwhat you said I would say you would be safe up to the pointyou try to lift a 20+ brown out of the water with the tip. Wherethe proof of the puding is in the casting. We have found thatall lines are not equal and your rod may just cast a 4 wt justfine. If the error continued further down the rod then you wouldhave a really light tip and most certainly loose a line wt and have stiff butt. You are in a twilight zone with this one untilyou sling the line. Overlining a rod is usually never dangerous to the rod 1 wt difference. Chris from cbogart@ibm.net Wed Nov 13 13:48:22 1996 Priority: Normal Subject: Re: Big Dog Thought Jerry Turned out slick enough - It just keeps getting better and better.Keep up the good work. Chris from moucheux@sympatico.ca Wed Nov 13 14:09:11 1996 Organization: Le Moucheux Enr. Subject: Cancellation I wish to cancel my subscription to the Rodmakers list. I have tried many times, but it always come back that I dont have the right codes.\Please help me..Mike Lajoie from kvrtiska@esu6.esu6.k12.ne.us Wed Nov 13 16:32:55 1996 Organization: Tecumseh Public Schools Subject: Cancellation I wish to cancel my subscription to the Rodmakers list. Kim Vrtiska from 100423.176@CompuServe.COM Thu Nov 14 15:36:08 1996 Subject: unsubscribe I'd like to unsubscribe please. George Richardson M.D.Hirschhorn, Germanywriting at 6:29 PM, on Thursday, November 14, 1996 from whensel@ix.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 17:40:23 1996 Subject: Re: unsubscribe You wrote: I'd like to unsubscribe please. George Richardson M.D.Hirschhorn, Germanywriting at 6:29 PM, on Thursday, November 14, 1996 Mr. Richardson,I am just starting to build my own rod and have found the info. very helpful as the result of the Rod Builders list etc. I have noticed to unsubscribers the past teo days. I wonder why people are dropping out. Could you shed some light on this topic. Perhaps subscribers were only curious and therefore dont reallyy need the connectionino and networking that is a aspect of the Rod Builders list.As far as I know I am not paying the E mail I get over here. Please reply. Regards, Bill Hensel AA0RQ from jonrc@atlantic.net Thu Nov 14 19:51:42 1996 Subject: Cane Builders Chat Hi everyone. Don Anderson and I met in The Virtual Flyshop Chat Room(http://www.flyshop.com/Chat/index.html) last week end and had a goodtime getting to know each other while talking about rod building. At theend of our talk we both thought that it would be fun to make this aregular thing and invite others from the Rodbuilders List to join in. Soyou're all invited. The place is The Virtual Flyshop Chat Room at:http://www.flyshop.com/Chat/index.html, the date & time will be October23, at 10:00 AM EST. I've checked with the guys at The Virtual Flyshopand they are pleased to have us there. I you have any questions drop mean E-Mail. -- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from bruno8@primenet.com Thu Nov 14 21:25:55 1996 Organization: Fatherhood/Brotherhood Subject: Re: Cane Builders Chat Jonathan Clarke wrote: snip The place is The Virtual Flyshop Chat Room at:http://www.flyshop.com/Chat/index.html, the date & time will be October 23, at 10:00 AM EST.snip Don, will that be October of 1997 or 98? 8^) from jonrc@atlantic.net Thu Nov 14 21:30:42 1996 Subject: Re: Cane Builders Chat The date for the Cane Builders Chat is NOVEMBER 23rd at 10:00 AM. Not Oct.. Thanks John!-- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from fiveside@net-gate.com Fri Nov 15 14:14:43 1996 Subject: Pentas To Richard Tyree, Hi Rich, You ask good questions. Pentas seem to havelargely been ignored since Garrison.To control stresses on pentas try a program provided by Len Histand, whooffered this software for sale in early issues of The Planing Form. Len'sprogram does 5, and 4, as well as 6 and has served me well. taper the program outputs for me. The results seem superior. The rods arequicker than the equivalent hex.The penta has a weight penalty compared to the equivalent six built to thesame stress curve because penta stresses are higher than hex and must becompensated by increased cross section area. The weight delta is about 15percent.This is distributed along the rod length, not concentrated atferrules. Hollowing should help on bigger rods but in my 7 footers it's sortof academic.Stresses in pentas are tricky. Pentas feel like they could easily handleone line size larger than the design size but this is obviously not goodpractice. Bill Fink from bear4@srv.net Fri Nov 15 21:03:13 1996 Subject: Cancel Please take me off the mailing list.Thanks,Barry from TSmithwick@aol.com Sat Nov 16 12:48:21 1996 Subject: Another challenge Wayne challenged us "big dog" guys last week with his thoughts on multi- line/multi purpose-rods. Here's another challenge to anyone who cares to reply. Ithink the simplest, most elegant rod I ever saw is the "jus swell" limitededition offered by T&T in 1987. The grip was formed by making an extreme buttswell to about 3/4 inch, and the reel seat was formed by turning down thelast few inches to accept a butt cap and sliding ring seat. The effect is anunbroken flow of cane from ferrule to butt cap, a bamboo junkie's dream.Anyone got a clue how this could be done with home workshop equipment?-- TomSmithwick from dragon@blueridge.net Sat Nov 16 15:24:01 1996 Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:14:04 -0500 Subject: Newbie I am new to the list and was wanting to know if thereare archives, web pages and other things I should know before asking lots of other dumb questions. I got a copy of a FAQ from the web ( from Gord?). I have never built a bamboo rod, but I have done a graphite. Donald Yelton " I Byde My Tyme. "dragon@blueridge.net(704) 248-2093 from lawdevil@ix.netcom.com Sat Nov 16 16:34:17 1996 Subject: Re: Newbie Donald Yelton wrote: I am new to the list and was wanting to know if thereare archives, web pages and otherthings I should know before asking lots of other dumb questions. I got a copy of a FAQ from the web ( from Gord?). I have never built a bamboo rod, but I have done a graphite. Hey, hippie, try http://Home1.gte.net/jfoster/links.html Mike -- Mike Ray "...sex, death and fly-fishing;lawdevil@ix.netcom.com the meanings of life and sport;Atlanta, Georgia are we real participants or just observers,404-332-6661 and what kind of difference does it make?"Cashiers, NC John Gierach704- 743-5625 from rmoon@dns.ida.net Sat Nov 16 16:56:11 1996 Subject: Re: Another challenge TomI spent about a year lying awake nights trying to solve a variation of your challenge. While I was curator of the IFFC a fellow brought me an old rod seeking information. The rod was about 9" but in six sections. It had ring guides, handrolled ferrules with no moisture cap on either the maale or the female (i.e. raw wood showed at both ferrule stations. It was the butt section that was so intriguing. It was 12 sided and as you pictured the T & T rod the bamboo swelled in a smooth curve up to form a cigar shaped handle about 6" long then dropped abruptly to the reel seat diameter. The reel seat then was an integral part of the rod, but there was a NS plate for the reel to sit on and it was secured with a ring and butt cap. Think of it; swelling up 12 strips forming a handle of the 12 strips and abruptly dropping the diameter to standard reel seat diameter. I never did figure it out. Obviously the strips were "planed?" to 30 degrees, but how in blazesd did he plane in the up and down swells? I pegged the rod as having been built in Philadelphia and presumably somewhere between 1870 and 1890. I've not been able to get a clue on the maker, but he was a great craftsman. Ralph from bconner@cybercom.net Sat Nov 16 19:32:33 1996 Subject: Re: Another challenge Think of it; swelling up 12 strips forming a handleof the 12 strips and abruptly dropping the diameter to standard reel seatdiameter. I never did figure it out. Obviously the strips were"planed?" to 30 degrees, but how in blazesd did he plane in the up anddown swells? I would suspect that the rod was made on a "cut corner" wooden form such asI describe for making 4 sided rods in the FAQ. I would also suspect thatthe cane was steamed to soften it to get the curves so tight. Soften thecane strips with steam, bind and glue it down to the form and plane it offas usual. This type of form would allow the curves to be made with aplane. Bruce Connerbconner@cybercom.net from GLohkamp@aol.com Sat Nov 16 19:33:51 1996 Subject: forms would like to locate 5 sided form, old herters?? from Fallcreek9@aol.com Sat Nov 16 21:30:02 1996 Subject: Re: Pentas In a message dated 96-11-15 15:27:39 EST, you write: To Richard Tyree, Hi Rich, You ask good questions. Pentas seem to havelargely been ignored since Garrison.To control stresses on pentas try a program provided by Len Histand, whooffered this software for sale in early issues of The Planing Form. Len'sprogram does 5, and 4, as well as 6 and has served me well. Hi Bill - Presently use Len's program and it works for me also. The portionthat compares fours, fives and sixes is particularly useful. However, I haveonly used the "equal stiffness" in converting hex tapers to pents. Do soassuming a decrease in overall weight. Am I at risk of over stressing at theferrule in doing so? taper the program outputs for me. The results seem superior. The rods arequicker than the equivalent hex.The penta has a weight penalty compared to the equivalent six built to thesame stress curve because penta stresses are higher than hex and must becompensated by increased cross section area. The weight delta is about 15percent.This is distributed along the rod length, not concentrated atferrules. Hollowing should help on bigger rods but in my 7 footers it's sortof academic. Does this mean you recommend the "= cross section" numbers from Len's programin converting? Stresses in pentas are tricky. Pentas feel like they could easily handleone line size larger than the design size but this is obviously not goodpractice. Bill Fink Best Regards,Richard Tyree Ps - Have followed your rodbuilding career from the "what the hell is a dryfly rod" article in the Fly Fisherman years ago and have always appreciatedyour sharing your knowledge. from WayneCatt@aol.com Sun Nov 17 09:26:58 1996 Subject: Re: forms Frank Armbruster has made some new 5 sided forms. If it is the oldHerter's form that you really want to try - I have a set of the combination 6& 5 forms - part of the collection I have Wayne from TSmithwick@aol.com Sun Nov 17 11:12:46 1996 Subject: Re: Another challenge from TSmithwick@aol.com Sun Nov 17 11:12:48 1996 Subject: Re: Another challenge Bruce says: from rmoon@dns.ida.net Sun Nov 17 14:42:15 1996 Subject: Re: Another challenge TomThanks I'll have to be a Celt by default==actually I'm all Limey and a yard wide. I probably should have emphasized that the detail of the rod was exemplary; tight glue lines and a nice job of finishing. Bruce's explanation may come the closest, since although I can't be positive it appears to me that the strips were curved over a wooden form in the handle. Obviously I could not tear the rod apart to see, but the NS plate on the reel seat was loose and beneath it I could discern wood other than bamboo. No real clue, though, as to the size, shape and extent of it. Actually, if my memory doesn't fail me, one of the theories of the origin of the six strip cane rod attributes it to Samuel Phillipe in Philadelphia. Ralph from JCZIMNY@dol.net Sun Nov 17 16:18:17 1996 "rQSô"1%p Ç`à(êq`äâR0éò'C,A"(Adßc|€>F™nd_XEkÛx®x.4{äé*\®x ¯ò(êol°ÖèpAü_v`yêísïÑ")3L }@RNA é9Ý(EA\¯SV -0~X`Ñ|,>ÑŸC{, ááG/Ç!E'O€"à_O'oëš lIÝ®Ÿ#DHvCpcÒé.@îàÄ¢\6ïA#éväP"ïjEštonéD>/ òà ¯JZ®'ö4™Aha¯<õ#,r`R™ñ,TN `õ ä—ß!®u‚IüE ^_`Ç0@E*FFj£úárQ vgböáxméI*=f, ¶ ,~)dqBP+DÑ0EBï8Ü‚‚'a{p__D¯Pò®DE/,“AO:Oé ‚:®U`¯ME\—bY>Q ‚Ä Å ß*Ç"c,9 { _( å '#HÏ_ zjI qDw™NâLè>ŸèÍ`T‚*a*™ùIAÒmOq1uqyÒxR€+a"8u`"R%r‚.M–D߶`9OPá-¢õP+& 6"ní0i@ô®êDà]hrüÑ!^(š|Êá·j;dEP rBrvát0evØ£êbU" Z#ñ2!,1°f™I/AAb%‚O¯^7èŸNá,'ë7E"0kO@ܯêl2"*ÒO.®!U'Æ0èLxI7;#ú,`4éL0^é(—>aë@ca#4¯òN+î3,ÄI"éñ>AÖBé"C,¶™I6èO™AI¯˜ÄF!(b*™I‚,Öé a$õ4B,Ä``Q¯U®"™E¯§A“,õo*b.ÖfÝ®¯˜Øéj!˜èî!"p¢ ôò ‚U™+ jw î,aXAR"Ï?,n eòâj™l™!AGù@ã;¯;IIsFçØ3sE U' @.. ,§¯p!pnmA#é@K,¯oB%§*Ä.Bx H—®™"(â@ ™h®2™^èn™òe.® Aù!üè@$a"u$rB~ ®2™™0*BEg>¯<8IQ2aßA ® "OÜC|ù®à§{I¯JE° GR4#,6`!ò+Gbj&vgpo'ß8âõ*vI fñ(Ay EÍ_€Ñ7òJp¯^NAé>™ U®AY£' 5^¯r§èB‚鯯'[¯}[O>,`V ° }]5']uY]Ê>]~bé‚è0 €BaP@^€ @$`OŸ¯}ëÅé7òL?ÅR”ú™Iï@?)~?_Ú7ò|oÅå0 Äé|EŸ{>”üq~2?®O® uŸ{fO˜OeìWläIÚÛB+QA£– Y_ù'Ÿ y|où®xtJ'n&¶NŸë^kk/|{`!~0>@4P#–f,ïà )Iîé>`ÉU˜x IØ éŸa%éØIįUì^ò0x:@a< |šSOoóA˜äE˜ñOI¯rÊI¯ñOÍO—Oç,Ä|({ñ° éxzÆlJhg_iU=âj- C_§"ä Ø zr/j8$Xo_ yUg Oß"rPK1h%íó6gè#€ì‚IY&DãP{ÝŸ¯>ŸÅQŸ®xÖ@l¢6àj$r^?Ü™4OTê9âEo™ 5,®š1UöißEï_ÇéOú™_,ùäA_;Ïa 9é –lyäÏ aadîo"ÑWG wå}¯–y2UN®8AÖŸ `”n a:4[5ÑAUéríJ ÝAÖnß)">@`¢ü'é¯IÝ3ê£Ü_H‚ ö€vHhHà'"PZü[°é_ì®$r`\ ÑnÚqUšÄz!ê'U >úPéõük-®- áGEG9¯ùöܯzè{Äév(@Fí@Lp=¯a.gov Subject: Re: green heart rods Allen: I believe I recall a posting a few months ago referring to the availability of greenheart blanks made by Partridge. Try http://www.kinghill.com. While this may not provide the exact information you are looking for, it may give you contacts to more information about the subject. Rich from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Mon Nov 18 18:06:39 1996 (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA231531996; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:06:36 -0800 Subject: Trade Mark I'm trying to find the origin of a trademark that is stamped on an all metal reelseat near where the reelseat connects with the cork. It is a W with the words trade and mark on either side of the W. trade w mark Actually the words are situated at the top of the W not at the bottom. Does anyone know the company this refers to? Thank You. Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Mon Nov 18 18:14:51 1996 Subject: Guide feet I recently ground down the feet on some black carbide guides to mount onmy latest cane rod. In the grinding I removed the blac. Since I am usinga tranclucent silk wrap I would like to darken the feet. I have triedCasey's Brass black, Paynes Oxidizer, black permanent markers, and blackpaint. Non has worked the markers and paint come right off, the brassblack did nothing, the paynes oxidizer did slightly darken the ends thathad been ground somewhat. Does any one on the list have any suggestions or experience with this problem. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado from rcurry@jlc.net Mon Nov 18 20:01:16 1996 Subject: Re: Guide feet Jim,On other types of steel, I have found that gun-blueing works very well. Immerse the feet (guide feet, that is) in the blueing and leave for 20 minutes. Let me know the results.Best regards,Reed I recently ground down the feet on some black carbide guides to mount onmy latest cane rod. In the grinding I removed the blac. Since I am usinga tranclucent silk wrap I would like to darken the feet. I have triedCasey's Brass black, Paynes Oxidizer, black permanent markers, and blackpaint. Non has worked the markers and paint come right off, the brassblack did nothing, the paynes oxidizer did slightly darken the ends thathad been ground somewhat. Does any one on the list have any suggestions or experience with this problem. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Mon Nov 18 20:58:21 1996 Subject: Re: green heart rods Allen,I don't know how many other Ausies are on this list, but it's not likely there's anywhere you can just drop in and look at this stuff.I'll have a poke around and see if anybody here can help. Regards Tony Young Have just finished a zane grey epic and am interested to know if their isanybody who can point me in the right direction regards making an exampleof one of the old willow or greenheart(?) rods he used to catch some of hismonsters. Info such as suppliers, or styles of the old fittings or tapers(ifany),guide spacings methods of manufacture etc. In fact any info re theseolder rods would be great.Also if their is anyone on this list from Australia(Sydney) who can direct me toa place where I can have a look at some of this older game gear I would bemost apreciative. Thanks Allen Glover Alan, I'm not sure, but you may find some information in the following book: "The Colonial Angler's Manual of Flyfishing & Flytying" Bob Matarazzo /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html/***********************************************************************/ from JCZIMNY@dol.net Mon Nov 18 20:58:41 1996 Subject: Re: Guide feet Jim Fillpot wrote: I recently ground down the feet on some black carbide guides to mount onmy latest cane rod. In the grinding I removed the blac. Since I am usinga tranclucent silk wrap I would like to darken the feet. I have triedCasey's Brass black, Paynes Oxidizer, black permanent markers, and blackpaint. Non has worked the markers and paint come right off, the brassblack did nothing, the paynes oxidizer did slightly darken the ends thathad been ground somewhat. Does any one on the list have any suggestions or experience with this problem. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado Jim, Get some black pigment (powdered type) from an art supply store or Brownel's. Mix into any type of clear epoxy and thin w/ MEK or such.Hate those shiney feet!John from DRBRAD4D@aol.com Mon Nov 18 21:50:29 1996 Subject: Re: Guide feet Jim: Birchwood/Casey makes a product called Super Black Instant Touch-up Pen. Itcomes in both gloss and matte black. They suggest using it for reels andguns. You might want to try it for your guide feet. Bradford EdgrenGreeley, CO PS - As always, no affliliation with Birchwood/Casey from gord@teleport.com Mon Nov 18 23:16:27 1996 Subject: Re: Guide feet I've always had good luck with a permanent magic marker I bought for thepurpose. It's a Berol Toughpoint I got at an art store. So long as I letthe ink dry it's very permanent & you can not tell any difference even ifyou know what you're looking for. Cheap & instant. On recent rods I'veleft the feet bright. Sort of shows off my grinding job. Cheers,Gord At 10:50 PM 11/18/96 -0500, you wrote:Jim: Birchwood/Casey makes a product called Super Black Instant Touch-up Pen. Itcomes in both gloss and matte black. They suggest using it for reels andguns. You might want to try it for your guide feet. Bradford EdgrenGreeley, CO PS - As always, no affliliation with Birchwood/Casey from rm5552@gumby.engsvc.hazeltine.com Tue Nov 19 09:25:00 1996 Subject: Reel Seat Pinning The Garrison book indicates that the pocket cap used in the cap/sliding ring reel seat should be pinned for security. Does anyone haveany opinions on whether or not this is necessary with the modern epoxiesthat we use now. Bob MatarazzoMelville, NY from roberton@worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 19 20:41:23 1996 (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA21019 Subject: Cancellation I wish to cancel my subscription to the Rodmakers List. Brett Roberton from KilchsGray@aol.com Tue Nov 19 22:20:49 1996 Subject: Re: green heart rods In a message dated 96-11-18 01:01:41 EST, you write: Dear Allen,Frazer's book _Amateur Rodmaking_ (American, c.a. 1914) might answermost of your questions re: woods, tapers, fittings, etc for Zane Grey- eradeep sea rods. I don't have a copy handy, but I recall that it contains alot of this sort of information, including drawings of guides and reel seats.Mick Hall of Melbourne, email flytyer@werple.net.au , may be able tosteer you toward a copy of this.Greenheart is a South American hardwood which is now (apparently) quiterare. It was used for dock pilings and ship fittings because it is verydurable and rot-resistant. If I were seeking it in Australia, I would startwith the yachtbuilding trade. There may also be less exotic substitiutesavailable, too.Hope this helps. Good luck! Roger Wiggin, Portland OR from Anachemrpo@aol.com Wed Nov 20 11:04:51 1996 Subject: Re: Reel Seat Pinning I am by no means qualified to answer your question. But I will refer you to the Garrison reference in the description of pinning*ferrules* where it is stated on page 121, at least as far as ferrules areconcerned "...pinning is not necessary if epoxy is used." All I know is what I read in the papers... Russ Lavigne from jonrc@atlantic.net Wed Nov 20 15:26:20 1996 Subject: Re: Reel Seat Pinning Bob Matarazzo X2631 wrote: The Garrison book indicates that the pocket cap used in thecap/sliding ring reel seat should be pinned for security. Does anyone haveany opinions on whether or not this is necessary with the modern epoxiesthat we use now. Bob MatarazzoMelville, NY Bob, My personal opinion it that if you get a good bond with your glue thatyou do not need to pin the butt cap. I've made a number of rods using apocket butt cat and have had no problems.-- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from mrj@seanet.com Wed Nov 20 17:47:33 1996 Subject: Re: Cancellation In message writes:I wish to cancel my subscription to the Rodmakers List. Brett Roberton you have to go to the rodmakers site at "http://HOME1.gte.net/jfoster/index.htm"to do this. Martin Jensen from fiveside@net-gate.com Wed Nov 20 18:13:16 1996 Subject: Pentas To Richard Tyree, Hi RichardIt's very possible that making mathematical conversions from hex tapers topenta for equal stiffness or equal cross section may be misleading becausethese don't warn you that stresses may be building up. In other words usingequal stiffness or equal cross section conversions may well require a dropin line size for the penta. The sure way is to run through Len Histand'staper program for 5-side, inputting your own stress curve, line size, etc.This gives good results.Thanks for your nice comments about my early articles in Fly Fisherman.But what the hell is "what the hell is a dry fly rod"? I don't recognizethat one. Could you give me the date? I have all the back issues on filesome place.Question: what are you using for planing forms for five siders?Bill Fink from fiveside@net-gate.com Wed Nov 20 18:27:21 1996 Subject: Pentas To Richard Tyree, Hi Richard,Ref your last message, it's very possible that making mathematicalconversions from hex tapers to penta for equal stiffness or equal crosssection area may be misleading because these don't warn you that stressesmay be building up. In other words, using equal stiffness or equal crosssection conversions may well require a drop in line size for the penta. Thesure way is to run through Len Histand's taper program for 5-sides,inputting your own stress curve, line size, etc. This gives nice results.Question: what are you using for planing forms for 5-siders? Bill Fink from lawdevil@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 20 19:26:34 1996 Subject: cane I was looking at a price list from Tuxedo Cane and noticed that it was priced like wine, i.e., older cane is somewhat more expensive. Also, there are difference in price for the size of the cane. Are there any advantages/disadvantages to the older cane other than that it is probably drier and that I assume you can use it almost immediately. Also, as the the different diameters, is there any need for the larger cane if one is going to build a relatively lightweight trout rod? Mike-- Mike Ray "...sex, death and fly- fishing;lawdevil@ix.netcom.com the meanings of life and sport;Atlanta, Georgia are we real participants or just observers,404-332-6661 and what kind of difference does it make?"Cashiers, NC John Gierach704-743-5625 from vedwards@freeway.net Wed Nov 20 19:27:02 1996 Subject: Cancellation With much regret I must cancel my subscription to the list server.I still love bamboo, the June gathering and party is still a definite GOand I will stay in touch with Wayne. Thanks, Victor Edwards(517) 348-8956vedwards@freeway.net from jfoster@gte.net Wed Nov 20 20:14:11 1996 Subject: Hex96c I've uploaded Wayne's newest version.. would someone (DOS)pleasedownload it and make sure it's a good load..let me know..thanks Jerry from whensel@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 20 22:51:28 1996 Subject: Wayne Cattanach Book Is It Worth It? This might be worth somthing to the novice Rod maker such as I am. I intially purchased the Garrison Book and high recomend it as a very important text with good photo graphs along with each stage to the making of a bambo rod layed out in a fashion that the novice who has never before walked the path a rod maker who is good a his craft will need.I recieved Wayne Cattanachs book in the mail the other day and I feel it will offer the novice more insight into the problems he will meet up with in his struggle to grasp and understand the entire picture. Thus by combining the information of the two books one is able to stand on the shoulders of both these ROD MAKERS and I feel the pain of it will be lessened. I am waiting for the Vedio.At this point I have the bambo ready for the binder so I can preheat them. Thanks to all the Wayne Cattanachs who wellingly share their knowledge so the art will not die. We live in a time that many people have no time for discipline and have the attitude that " I have money now give it to me now " Its nice to know the process of making a split cane rod is beyond the masses only because they have no time for disipline and art.I hope this posting doesnot sound to nuty or philosophical but my entire life has been devoted to learning and struggling with one art form or another. I say to you don't give up the cuts the pain and tears will be worth it...I am betting on that. Reagards to All, Bill Hensel I am not really a Rod maker and wont be one even after my first completed rod but I will be happy. from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Wed Nov 20 23:56:49 1996 Subject: Re: Wayne Cattanach Book Is It Worth It? On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, William Hensel wrote: This might be worth somthing to the novice Rod maker such as I am. I intially purchased the Garrison Book and high recomend it as a very /*****snip*******/ Thanks to all the Wayne Cattanachs who wellingly share their knowledge so the art will not die. We live in a time that many people have no time for discipline and have the attitude that " I have money now give it to me now " Its nice to know the process of making a split cane rod is beyond the masses only because they have no time for disipline and art. Here, here. I'll second that. /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html/***********************************************************************/ from WayneCatt@aol.com Thu Nov 21 02:34:03 1996 Subject: Monday Morning Comments It started with a letter - I had met a fellow at the Southfield Flyfishing Expo - he had some questions about making a bamboo fly rod - ourconversation eventually turned into a series of letters. Then I bought ascraper (Ernie Conover)one day and with it came the suggestion of anewsletter. Then a call from a fellow asking if a friend and he could comevisit my shop for a couple of days. The handwriting on the wall you might saywas when Barry Serviente called one afternoon just to tell me that he hadsold 'the last' of the Garrison Books. I can take a hint.Now some 4 years later I think that a fair statement would be - solidinformation but no cocktail table. Even though I claim Ol' Fartism I hope Ihave a couple good years left and with the help of the list and a couple ofweeks worth of eager students each year to polish some of the thoughts andwords and software gliches - and Nick Lyons - - - But before that there will be others. I remember the night ( it was 27degrees below zero) I set in Sully's with a fellow from a much warmer climate- "You need to write a book Jack" - word is that it's about on the market.If you think about it there is still alot to write about yet - I have alist that I keep jotting notes on that goes for several pages. You know -fill in the details later. I have seen that most want it all - the how to'sas well as the savor.I have never heard of an individual who made their fortune at bamboorodmaking or books about it - and I've never be able to explain the whyquestion either. Can any of us????? Wayne You know the short baldheaded guy from tfinger@services.state.mo.us Thu Nov 21 09:32:26 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is Organization: Missouri House of Representatives Subject: Cane suppliersPriority: normal List: If it isn't too much trouble, could someone either post or send me off-list the address and phone number for Tuxedo Cane (I already have same for Demarest). Thanks in advance... Terry Fingertfinger@services.state.mo.us from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Thu Nov 21 10:31:58 1996 Subject: Re: Cane suppliers List: If it isn't too much trouble, could someone either post or send me off-list the address and phone number for Tuxedo Cane (I already have same for Demarest). Thanks in advance... Terry Fingertfinger@services.state.mo.us Tuxedo CanePO BOX 1167Stockton, CA 95201(209)464-6133(209)948- 6757 Fax I am expecting some cane from tuxedo this week. My question is how greenis it going to be? I purchased to most recent cut. Not sure about howlong to age as some recent posts have suggested it does not need to beaged and I will be flaming it. The last piece from Demerest had lots ofsplits and weak spots. I was barely able to get one rod from it. I amhoping the fresher cane will not be splitting even if it does need aged atleast I can check split it before it starts to crack on its own. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Thu Nov 21 10:32:47 1996 Subject: Re: Guide feet It looks like I will be going with the epoxy and paint pigment for theguide feet as suggested by John Zimney. I check with the supplier and the told methat the guides are stainless steel coated with the carbide. The bluingapparently willnot work with stainless and the markers I have found will not worked. Itried epoxy mixed with paint pigment with good results. It takes a little longerbut it's only time. ; ) Also for Jerry in Laramie, feel free to ask about any suppliers. I havebeen able to get most things in the Ft. Collins area which is not to far fromyou. If you get down in this area and would like to get together let me know. Itis nice to have another builder to discuss ideas with. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado from lostrivr@im4u.net Thu Nov 21 17:29:28 1996 Subject: Re: Cane Builders Chat At 06:32 PM 11/14/96 -0800, you wrote:Jonathan Clarke wrote: snip The place is The Virtual Flyshop Chat Room at:http://www.flyshop.com/Chat/index.html, the date & time will be October23, at 10:00 AM EST.snip Don, will that be October of 1997 or 98? 8^) Bill,Send me your home address I have some things I want to snail mail.Ron Barch> from lostrivr@im4u.net Thu Nov 21 17:51:42 1996 Subject: Re: Wayne Cattanach Book Is It Worth It? At 08:51 PM 11/20/96 -0800, you wrote:This might be worth somthing to the novice Rod maker such as I am. I intially purchased the Garrison Book and high recomend it as a very important text with good photo graphs along with each stage to the making of a bambo rod layed out in a fashion that the novice who has never before walked the path a rod maker who is good a his craft will need.I recieved Wayne Cattanachs book in the mail the other day and I feel it will offer the novice more insight into the problems he will meet up with in his struggle to grasp and understand the entire picture. Thus by combining the information of the two books one is able to stand on the shoulders of both these ROD MAKERS and I feel the pain of it will be lessened. I am waiting for the Vedio.At this point I have the bambo ready for the binder so I can preheat them. Thanks to all the Wayne Cattanachs who wellingly share their knowledge so the art will not die. We live in a time that many people have no time for discipline and have the attitude that " I have money now give it to me now " Its nice to know the process of making a split cane rod is beyond the masses only because they have no time for disipline and art.I hope this posting doesnot sound to nuty or philosophical but my entire life has been devoted to learning and struggling with one art form or another. I say to you don't give up the cuts the pain and tears will be worth it...I am betting on that. Reagards to All, Bill Hensel I am not really a Rod maker and wont be one even after my first completed rod but I will be happy. Dear Bill,I said this a few times before and I'd like to pass it on to you."First cane fly rods are like first loves...you never forget them"Good luck with yours and with a spirit and attitude like yours I think itssafe to call you a rodmaker...but only after completion of #1.Sharp blades and tight band aids oops I meanjoints. Ron Barch from lostrivr@im4u.net Thu Nov 21 18:02:57 1996 Subject: Re: Cane suppliers At 09:31 AM 11/21/96 -0700, you wrote: List: If it isn't too much trouble, could someone either post or send me off-list the address and phone number for Tuxedo Cane (I already have same for Demarest). Thanks in advance... Terry Fingertfinger@services.state.mo.us Tuxedo CanePO BOX 1167Stockton, CA 95201(209)464-6133(209)948- 6757 Fax I am expecting some cane from tuxedo this week. My question is how greenis it going to be? I purchased to most recent cut. Not sure about howlong to age as some recent posts have suggested it does not need to beaged and I will be flaming it. The last piece from Demerest had lots ofsplits and weak spots. I was barely able to get one rod from it. I amhoping the fresher cane will not be splitting even if it does need aged atleast I can check split it before it starts to crack on its own. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado Jim,The tuxedo cane I have received has been dry, straight, dense and andworked out to be "good stuff". By the way Mr. Calceterra is a pretty goodrodmaker so he should know good cane.Ron Barch from lostrivr@im4u.net Thu Nov 21 18:07:33 1996 Subject: Re: Guide feet At 09:32 AM 11/21/96 -0700, you wrote: It looks like I will be going with the epoxy and paint pigment for theguide feet as suggested by John Zimney. I check with the supplier and the told methat the guides are stainless steel coated with the carbide. The bluingapparently willnot work with stainless and the markers I have found will not worked. Itried epoxy mixed with paint pigment with good results. It takes a little longerbut it's only time. ; ) Also for Jerry in Laramie, feel free to ask about any suppliers. I havebeen able to get most things in the Ft. Collins area which is not to far fromyou. If you get down in this area and would like to get together let me know. Itis nice to have another builder to discuss ideas with. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado You guys out west may want to contact Dave Shadrick in Saratoga Wyoming, heis an excellent rodmaker and a real good guy. He likes to talk cane andfish and all the usual BS. Ron Barch...don't tell him I sent ya???> from whensel@ix.netcom.com Thu Nov 21 18:33:41 1996 Subject: Re: Wayne Cattanach Book Is It Worth It? Hello Ron,Thanks for the feedback. The weather here in denver has been pretty mild. I even went out to small stream near by Wednesday and there was one rainbow rising and I caught him on a dry spruce fly. I caught him on a 7' #4 bambo rod by Ted Grycel near Denver. He never has got around to making me my second tip so I throught I would make my own rods so I would not have to fork out 700-1000 dollars for one. But I have to admit this inital start up cost for me is running pretty high with books and tapes etc. But you only live life once and if fishing that homebrew stick will keep me in resoance then so be it. Best regards to you and yours, Bill Hensel - I have fallen off the deep end.....I am 44 and maybe I am going through my mid life crises. from GLohkamp@aol.com Thu Nov 21 18:57:36 1996 Subject: portland rod makers would like to contact portland oregon rod makers . l can think of at least 10know there should be more .lf you dont mind please e-mail me ,lwould like tosee about a yearly get together something like corbett lake or ?? tell mewhat you think.thanks Gary from mcreek@sirus.com Thu Nov 21 20:04:35 1996 Subject: Re: Monday Morning Comments WayneCatt@aol.com wrote: It started with a letter - I had met a fellow at the Southfield Flyfishing Expo - he had some questions about making a bamboo fly rod - ourconversation eventually turned into a series of letters. Then I bought ascraper (Ernie Conover)one day and with it came the suggestion of anewsletter. Then a call from a fellow asking if a friend and he could comevisit my shop for a couple of days. The handwriting on the wall you might saywas when Barry Serviente called one afternoon just to tell me that he hadsold 'the last' of the Garrison Books. I can take a hint.Now some 4 years later I think that a fair statement would be - solidinformation but no cocktail table. Even though I claim Ol' Fartism I hope Ihave a couple good years left and with the help of the list and a couple ofweeks worth of eager students each year to polish some of the thoughts andwords and software gliches - and Nick Lyons - - -But before that there will be others. I remember the night ( it was 27degrees below zero) I set in Sully's with a fellow from a much warmer climate- "You need to write a book Jack" - word is that it's about on the market.If you think about it there is still alot to write about yet - I have alist that I keep jotting notes on that goes for several pages. You know -fill in the details later. I have seen that most want it all - the how to'sas well as the savor.I have never heard of an individual who made their fortune at bamboorodmaking or books about it - and I've never be able to explain the whyquestion either. Can any of us????? Wayne You know the short baldheaded guySully's Oaken Bucket?? Good Bar to talk about esoteric stuff likefishin' poles made out of grass. Brian from mcreek@sirus.com Thu Nov 21 20:13:47 1996 Subject: Re: Wayne Cattanach Book Is It Worth It? William Hensel wrote: Hello Ron,Thanks for the feedback. The weather here in denver has beenpretty mild. I even went out to small stream near by Wednesday andthere was one rainbow rising and I caught him on a dry spruce fly. Icaught him on a 7' #4 bambo rod by Ted Grycel near Denver. He neverhas got around to making me my second tip so I throught I would make myown rods so I would not have to fork out 700-1000 dollars for one. ButI have to admit this inital start up cost for me is running pretty highwith books and tapes etc. But you only live life once and if fishingthat homebrew stick will keep me in resoance then so be it. Best regards to you and yours, Bill Hensel - I have fallen off the deep end.....I am 44 and maybe I amgoing through my mid life crises.Well, as far as mid-life crises are concerned, this one seems rathercheaper and more fulfilling (if not libidinously gratifying) as, say, a young, blonde, mistress and an Italian sports car. . . . Brian Creek from hihoslvr@teleport.com Thu Nov 21 23:26:47 1996 Subject: Re: portland rod makers would like to contact portland oregon rod makers . l can think of at least 10know there should be more .lf you dont mind please e-mail me ,lwould like tosee about a yearly get together something like corbett lake or ?? tell mewhat you think.thanks Gary Gary, Your idea sounds really good. I live in Newport, but am really excitedabout the idea. Ron from DIXALEE@aol.com Thu Nov 21 23:43:02 1996 Subject: Re: portland rod makers Gary,I would like to see a local get together. There seems to be several for oureastern and midwestern friendsbut I haven't seen anything local enough for meto attend. A.J.ThramerEugene Oregon from gord@teleport.com Fri Nov 22 01:05:25 1996 Subject: Re: portland rod makers At 07:57 PM 11/21/96 -0500, you wrote:would like to contact portland oregon rod makers . l can think of at least 10know there should be more .lf you dont mind please e-mail me ,lwould like tosee about a yearly get together something like corbett lake or ?? tell mewhat you think.thanks Gary Count me in! There are others about as well, many who aren't on the list.We may well rival Greylock without such travel. I'm all for even morefrequent get togethers. Cheers,GordPortland, OR from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Fri Nov 22 10:14:02 1996 Subject: VFS Chat Room To all, As Jonathon mentioned a while ago, he and I met on the VFS chat line acouple of weeks ago and enjoyed the chat we had via this server. Saturday, Nov. 23 @ 10:00 ET,there are a few things I noticed about theservice. 1] The notes travel @ various rates to and from the server depending on yourmodem - local server speed. With my 28.8, I still can get a tad lost whenothers are using high-speed data lines.2] More than one conversation will take place @ one time and I find it takesa couple of minutes in light of [1] above to figure out who is talking to who.3] What I found is the chat room is more like a conversation where wordusage and grammar errors are forgiven readily.4] The chat room seems to lend itself to shorter rather than longerresponses. If you use longer responses and compound it with slow typingspeeds, you'll get lost for sure. The conversation seems to move readilyalong. from what I've experienced, people don't wait for you. They may missyou but?5] I don't like to seem negative on chat rooms, I'm not but there are greatdifference betwix what the rodmakers responses to the Rodmakers BB to aquestion might be and casual conversation you will likely experience withinthe Chat rooms.6] Chat rooms, to my knowledge, can only be accessed by net browsers likeNetscape or MS Explorer. Hope to see you there. regards, Don Andersen from Lloyd.Cross@clorox.com Fri Nov 22 10:28:23 1996 (CEMS 5.01/1.37.109.14) id AA091500446; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:34:06 - 0800 (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 295D4F40; Fri, 22 Nov 96 08:29:40 -0800 Subject: Re[2]: portland rod makers GREAT IDEA!!! There are probebly more than a few up and coming rod builders like myself who would benifit from regular contact with folks like A.J., Gordon, and others in the Pacific Northwest. Lloyd.Cross@clorox.comLDCross3@aol.comBlue River, Oregon ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________Subject: Re: portland rod makersAuthor: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu at Internet At 07:57 PM 11/21/96 -0500, you wrote:would like to contact portland oregon rod makers . l can think of at least 10 know there should be more .lf you dont mind please e-mail me ,lwould like to see about a yearly get together something like corbett lake or ?? tell me what you think.thanks Gary Count me in! There are others about as well, many who aren't on the list. We may well rival Greylock without such travel. I'm all for even more frequent get togethers. Cheers,GordPortland, OR from jonrc@atlantic.net Fri Nov 22 11:31:20 1996 Subject: Re: VFS Chat Room Good points on the chat room Don. Another is that if you addressing oneperson with a question or statement use their name at the beginning ofthe sentance. It will be easier for them to pick it up. See you on Sat.-- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from 106235.3707@compuserve.com Fri Nov 22 13:46:09 1996 Subject: Dutch builders Does anyone on this list know about the existence of any Dutch bamboobuilders who might be willing to teach me a few tricks of the trade? Rens Oosthoek, Zetten, The Netherlands106235.3707@compuserve.com from lostrivr@im4u.net Fri Nov 22 15:25:11 1996 Subject: Re: Wayne Cattanach Book Is It Worth It? At 04:33 PM 11/21/96 -0800, you wrote:Hello Ron,Thanks for the feedback. The weather here in denver has been pretty mild. I even went out to small stream near by Wednesday and there was one rainbow rising and I caught him on a dry spruce fly. I caught him on a 7' #4 bambo rod by Ted Grycel near Denver. He never has got around to making me my second tip so I throught I would make my own rods so I would not have to fork out 700-1000 dollars for one. But I have to admit this inital start up cost for me is running pretty high with books and tapes etc. But you only live life once and if fishing that homebrew stick will keep me in resoance then so be it. Best regards to you and yours, Bill Hensel - I have fallen off the deep end.....I am 44 and maybe I am going through my mid life crises. Bill,Mst of the guys I hang out with have fallen off the deep end. I thinkit happens about 40 and progressively gets worse. Cane rods get cheaper astime goes on. I think it costs me about 150 bucks to make to make areally first class rod. That's if I bill my labor at around 3 cents an hour. Ron B.> from RckyMtKane@aol.com Fri Nov 22 22:37:53 1996 Subject: Re: Guide feet Hey Jim My name is Joe and I have a shop In Lafayette, Co where I build cane rods,sell some fishing gear and generally do what I think life is all about, comesee me some time and we can exchange Ideas. Looking forward to hearing fromyou.Joe from GLohkamp@aol.com Sat Nov 23 03:13:10 1996 Subject: oregon rod builders meeting l recently asked to be contacted by portland oregon rod builders about maybehaving a meeting here , l just wanted any one that thinks portland not to faraway to particpate to please e-mail me .this is something l would like to puttogether , and need input .didnt mean to leave anyone out,sorrythanks again gary lohkamp from GLohkamp@aol.com Sat Nov 23 03:21:22 1996 Subject: rod builders meeting ore To AJ Thramer l seem to be having some trouble sending you mail l would really like to hearyour ideas about a meeting . Lets try it againthank gary from mrj@seanet.com Sat Nov 23 17:04:29 1996 Subject: Re: oregon rod builders meeting In message writes:l recently asked to be contacted by portland oregon rod builders about maybehaving a meeting here , l just wanted any one that thinks portland not to faraway to particpate to please e-mail me .this is something l would like to puttogether , and need input .didnt mean to leave anyone out,sorrythanks again gary lohkamp I'm a "fledgling" rod builder from the Seattle area and Portland is not too far away so I would be interested Martin Jensen from whensel@ix.netcom.com Sat Nov 23 17:07:26 1996 Subject: A day I will remember "When a man shares what he knows and when what he knows comes through art and discpline and shares it from his heart a master he maybe" Today my wife and I drove up to Joe Arquellos Fly shop "Rocky Mountain Kane" to look at his bamboo rods. I have looked at Lenards and Wenstons and admitt they are fine fine rods. I brought along my Bamboo rod a 7' #4 wt that is made by a local maker. When I saw the craftmanship and watched Joe tips smothly vibrate to zero at the end of the cast many things went through my head. So many I forgot how to cast. In my opinion this man needs only to be found...I wish I wrote Fly fishing books like John Gierach and could mention Joe. I have one statement to make that might just might explain the affect on me while watching Joe plan bambo all the while gazing upon his rods. I throught to myself " I was witnessing a very good rod builder more into greatness" What a fine day. Bill Hensel from plipton@sunvalley.net Sat Nov 23 19:13:16 1996 (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11203) with SMTP id AAA206 Organization: Sun Valley Rods Subject: Re: oregon rod builders meeting GLohkamp@aol.com wrote: l recently asked to be contacted by Portland Oregon rod builders about maybehaving a meeting here , l just wanted any one that thinks Portland not to faraway to participate to please e-mail me .Gary lohkamp Garry: I live in Idaho. Portland is close enough for me. Hope you get moreencouragement.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Philip Lipton,Sun Valley RodsPO Box 1003, Sun Valley, ID 83353208-726- 9559, 208-622-8585 Fax 208-726-0191 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from KilchsGray@aol.com Sat Nov 23 19:13:39 1996 Subject: Re: oregon rod builders meeting I am only an aspiring builder, but I live in Portland and would like toattend such a gathering if you will have me. -- Roger Wiggin from lostrivr@im4u.net Sat Nov 23 21:25:40 1996 Subject: Re: oregon rod builders meeting At 04:13 AM 11/23/96 -0500, you wrote:l recently asked to be contacted by portland oregon rod builders about maybehaving a meeting here , l just wanted any one that thinks portland not to faraway to particpate to please e-mail me .this is something l would like to puttogether , and need input .didnt mean to leave anyone out,sorrythanks again gary lohkamp Gary,Keep me posted on the progress of the Oregon Meeting and I will see thatyou get some space in The Planing Form. If I can be of service please letme know.Ron Barch from lostrivr@im4u.net Sat Nov 23 21:37:01 1996 Subject: re:tapers At 12:55 AM 11/10/96 -0500, you wrote:I would like to find some information about ,rod design .I'am interested inploting stress curves,anything related to the use of naval architects splinesand weights for plotting tapers. new compter progams ect. also would like tohear suggestions for a 6.5 ft 2 wt 2pc rod, i have no example tapers to lookat thanks for your time glohkamp@aol.com Response to your inquiry: See the Nov/Dec 96 issue of the Planing Form foran aricle on naval architects spline and weights. Ron B. from thezig@ix.netcom.com Sat Nov 23 23:01:49 1996 Organization: Redeye Productions Subject: unknown (to me) rodmaker Does anyone know a rodmaker named Mel Jones? I recently came across a6' 2/2 for a 4 wt, he (or she) built. The serial number would lead me tobelieve that it was made in 1991. The cap of the SB reel seat wasstamped Mel Jones, Maker. Any help will be greatly appreciated.Jim Ziegler from tpaulsen@ecity.net Sat Nov 23 23:59:53 1996 Subject: Para 15 taper question I down loaded the Paul Young Para 15 taper from the Rod maker web site and am a bit confused by a couple of things. First, It is an 8'0" rod but the measurement points go from 1 to80? Does this mean that the measurement points are 1.20" on center? Or isthe taper figured from the forward point of the grip with the tapercontinuing as a straight taper back to 8'0"? Second, The tip goes from measurement point s 1 to 50 while the butt goes from 80 to 80. Are the two sections of unequal length? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Terry Paulsen from WayneCatt@aol.com Sun Nov 24 13:26:33 1996 Subject: Re: Para 15 taper question Terry -Concerning deciphering taper numbers. Most rod tapers flatten off in thehandle area so a 96" rod might have a 80" action length. For the stationsbeyond 80" the numbers would be the same as that at 80". A problem with using computers and Mr. Garrisons math is that it is hardto deal with the tip dimension or 0" point. Because the math deals with alever and the tip is the base point. When you have no distance your mathsgoes defunct. So the first calculation is normally done at the 1" point - Nowthere could be a routine that would then figure the slope and derive a 0"measurement but it can't be used in a stress curve calculation.Now for setting the forms using the numbers. Most planing forms adjuston 5" centers. But as you have seen different length rods don't match thisspacing. A 96" rod will be 2) 48" pieces or 3) 32" pieces. This is why youmay see some overlap in the taper listings. For a 48" tip piece you would usethe 50" point to obtain the proper number at 48" and on a butt section youwould start at a 45" number for the form adjustment and then place the tip ofthe strips 3" from this mark. Think of it as an overlap of numbers and thenadjust the position of the strips being planed accordingly.Hope this helps Wayne FYI - Most Rodmakers(Payne - Young - Leonard - Edwards - Gillum -Dickerson - Jordan) worked at 6" - 3" - and some times 1 1/2" spaces on the'breakpoints of their rods - Mr Garrison is somewhat responsable for the 5"pattern. from GLohkamp@aol.com Sun Nov 24 16:37:09 1996 Subject: agate guides keiven calloway of portland oregon has for sale some of the best lookingagate guides l've seen . three sizes two different styles comptemary andclassic ,they are fire red agate not glass agatine in the smaller sizes theguides that have been availble to me before this were actualy small boatguides (agatine). also he has replacement rings for the hardy reels try andfind these some where .... if your interested please give him a call at503- 590-3120thanks gary from MNBHEXROD@aol.com Sun Nov 24 18:45:13 1996 Subject: Re: unknown (to me) rodmaker I believe Mel has a shop in Rangeley Maine.M Brown from rcurry@jlc.net Mon Nov 25 04:56:11 1996 Subject: Fishing books Hi all,I recently had to purchase a lot(4) of books in order to get the one that I wanted. The other 3 are titles I already own and enjoy.Does anyone want:1/ Practical Fly Fishing by Larry St. John (Macmillan 1920) - a great reference, artfully written.2/ The Fine Art of Fishing by Samuel Camp (Macmillan 1911) - the section on "tuning" fly rods is great. Almost all fly fishing. "Definitive" work.3/ Practical Bait Casting by Larry St. John (Macmillan 1920) - another work by the master wordcraftsman. All yours for $18.75 total(plus postage). Email me direct.Trust me, I'm not making money on this. Best regards,Reedrcurry@jlc.net from Anachemrpo@aol.com Mon Nov 25 07:47:23 1996 Subject: Small piece(s) of bamboo requested I am only at the restoration stage of cane rods, and early in that. I have my first two rods about to get dipped and I am asking for a few smallpieces of bamboo to scrape the guides (as recommended in Garrison/Carmichael)afterward. I can offer the donater some personally tied flies of any pattern requested. Thank you in advance, Russ LavigneAnachemrpo@aol.com 4 Fox Haven LaneSt. Albans, Vt. 05478 from rm5552@gumby.engsvc.hazeltine.com Mon Nov 25 08:17:54 1996 Subject: Dial Indicators I just received an Enco catalog and would like to order a dial indicatorand 60 degree point. Is there a particular model that would be appropriate a 60 degree point in the catalog. There was a conical point listed, butno indication as to what the angle is. I'd appreciate any recommendationson this. Thanks,Bob MatarazzoMelville, NY from fiveside@net-gate.com Mon Nov 25 18:19:28 1996 To Mike Biondo, Hi Mike,I'm commenting on your message of 28 Oct 96 to the List. I think you arecorrect in your interpretation of Garrison"s tip treatment & stress curves.You might be interested to know that his stress curves work well for me whenextended to five side tapers. Bill Fink from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Mon Nov 25 22:05:47 1996 Subject: Plaintive cry for Help To all, Got a Hardy into the shop yesterday from a lady whose husband destroyed thelast 8" of her rod. Need's tip repair. The question is: does anyone have ataper for a Hardy Palkona #6 7 1/2' rod tip section. Not enough left to take any morethan a guess @ the taper. Regards, Don Andersen from mrj@seanet.com Mon Nov 25 23:16:27 1996 Subject: Re: Dial Indicators In message writes:I just received an Enco catalog and would like to order a dial indicatorand 60 degree point. Is there a particular model that would be appropriate a 60 degree point in the catalog. There was a conical point listed, butno indication as to what the angle is. I'd appreciate any recommendationson this. Thanks,Bob MatarazzoMelville, NY Bob,The part you need (and which will screw into virtually any dial indicator you buy) is a Starrett Contact point #EDP70794. There is also an old part # of 06632/6. Order it from any "L.S.Starrett" dealer which you can find by calling industrial tool supplies and asking around.In NeyYork you shouldn't have any problem The part is "really" expensive at about $3.00. Martin Jensen from dmichels@usitc.gov Tue Nov 26 06:04:17 1996 Subject: Help for the uninitiated I am getting started gathering all the materials for bamboo rod building. There is a source listed by Bruce Conner and others for Tonkin Cane, which I will heartily pursue. Question: on the subject of planing forms, I have read Conner's explanation of building wooden planing forms, The way I read it, the end of the form that is most narrow is the deepest, at 0.09 inches, and the other end that is the widest is the most shallow, at 0.03 in.? Shouldn't it be the other way around? What would be the point in having a very narrow (but relatively thick) tip? One thing I haven't had an opportunity to see is the proper way in which the forms are used. Does one plane the inside of the cane with the enamel side completely flat, or is the objective to plane the 'side' of the cane so that you wind up with something that looks like a 'pie slice' on cross-section? Has anybody tried making the wooden planing forms? I am planning to make some modifications to Conner's original plans, such as using fewer adjustment points, and perhaps even working in units of 64ths of an inch rather than thousandths. from maiello@yorku.ca Tue Nov 26 07:33:39 1996 Subject: Re: Help for the uninitiated Hi there.I have built a set of forms as Bruce describes them.To make the groove, the forms are set up at each station at a certainwidth. Then a 60 deg. scraper is used to make the groove. If the gap inthe form is small, a deep groove will be made. If the gap is large, asmall groove will be made. Once the groove is made, the forms are closedup quite a bit. If you are patient, and carefull, you will get a good set of useableforms. You should cut a groove in the bottom of your plane, so you donttake any chunks out of your form. Be very carefull with the drilling of the holes, and make sure they arevery square. The enamel side of the cane never gets planed. You put your strip in theform with the enamel pressed against one side of the form, and you planethe stuff that sticks out the top. Then flip the strip, and plane theother side. You end up with a "pie" cross section. each strip is 60degrees, and 6 together gives you a hexagonal rod. I suggest you make your form on 5 inch centers, since most tapers seem tofollow that spacing. Hope this helps.Mauro On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 dmichels@usitc.govwrote: I am getting started gathering all the materials for bamboo rod building. There is a source listed by Bruce Conner and others for Tonkin Cane, which I will heartily pursue. Question: on the subject of planing forms, I have read Conner's explanation of building wooden planing forms, The way I read it, the end of the form that is most narrow is the deepest, at 0.09 inches, and the other end that is the widest is the most shallow, at 0.03 in.? Shouldn't it be the other way around? What would be the point in having a very narrow (but relatively thick) tip? One thing I haven't had an opportunity to see is the proper way in which the forms are used. Does one plane the inside of the cane with the enamel side completely flat, or is the objective to plane the 'side' of the cane so that you wind up with something that looks like a 'pie slice' on cross-section? Has anybody tried making the wooden planing forms? I am planning to make some modifications to Conner's original plans, such as using fewer adjustment points, and perhaps even working in units of 64ths of an inch rather than thousandths. from MNBHEXROD@aol.com Tue Nov 26 07:51:38 1996 Subject: agate guides This request is in reference to a message posted the other day, regardingagate guides. The message also included a phone number for the source. Ideleted the notice by mistake ( inept finger coordination). Would the personwho initiated the message please re-send it. Best RegardsM Brown from dmcfall@odyssee.net Tue Nov 26 07:53:55 1996 Subject: Re: Plaintive cry for Help At 21:02 25/11/96 -0700, you wrote:To all, Got a Hardy into the shop yesterday from a lady whose husband destroyed thelast 8" of her rod. Need's tip repair. The question is: does anyone have ataper for a Hardy Palkona #6 7 1/2' rod tip section. Not enough left to take any morethan a guess @ the taper. Regards, Don Andersen I'm sure they'll be able to help. Regards from WayneCatt@aol.com Tue Nov 26 08:28:44 1996 Subject: Oven Shells for Grayrock 97 Another Idea for the 'Things To Do While In Grayrock' file might includea work bee constructing oven shells. Several folks have complained thatfinding someone to fabricate the duct work for an oven is impossible and theshipping cost out of Grand Rapids is as expensive as the duct work itself.Ergo - For anyone interested it could be another Friday night project otherthan building binders and just hanging around The Clubhouse sampling homebrew. Gordy at Monarch Metal slaps out the shell parts for me at $30 andthere is about an hour into putting them all together.As a follow up to the binder idea - So far I have heard from 5individuals. Another thought - because most of the 'parts' will be prefabedthe question of a 'Binder in a Box' came up for those not attending. The boxwould contain the 'parts' and perhaps a video showing how the final assemblygoes. Besides the $25 or so in parts cost there would be another $10 or soUPS. ??????????? Wayne from TSmithwick@aol.com Tue Nov 26 08:38:40 1996 Subject: Re: Help for the uninitiated David - You can certainly begin building rods with simple tools and besuccessful. The wooden forms will work, but I would not decrease theadjustment points, nor would I work to 64ths. Tolerances are important tobuilding a good rod. Invest in an inexpensive dial caliper that will readthousanths, it is an important tool.You are evidently misreading Bruce's design. Don't worry about the width ofthe groove. Just cut the proper angle and depth, and the width will take careof itself.It sounds like you need to increase your understanding of the whole process.Try to find a copy of " Handcrafting Bamboo Fly Rods" by Wayne Cattanach, or" A Masters Guide to Building a Bamboo Fly Rod" by Hoagy Carmichael. Eitherwill be a great help in your initial attempts.To answer your specific question, the object in planing is to produce astrip whose cross section is an equilateral triangle.Only the sides of the strip are planed. The fine outer fibers of the canealso form the outer surface of the rod. from PeterG4444@aol.com Tue Nov 26 08:46:19 1996 Subject: Re: Fishing books Reed, I'd like to have the books if still available. Pete Glazier from rfairfie@cisco.com Tue Nov 26 10:51:56 1996 Subject: Re: Oven Shells for Grayrock 97 Wayne, I live on the West Coast, and won't be able to attend the meeting. Iwould love to have the opportunity to get a 'binder in a box'. The cost is nota problem. Is there anything I can do to help on this project? thanks,Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Tue Nov 26 07:05:18 1996Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:28:42 -0500 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: WayneCatt@aol.com Subject: Oven Shells for Grayrock 97X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 981 Another Idea for the 'Things To Do While In Grayrock' file might includea work bee constructing oven shells. Several folks have complained thatfinding someone to fabricate the duct work for an oven is impossible and theshipping cost out of Grand Rapids is as expensive as the duct work itself.Ergo - For anyone interested it could be another Friday night project otherthan building binders and just hanging around The Clubhouse sampling homebrew. Gordy at Monarch Metal slaps out the shell parts for me at $30 andthere is about an hour into putting them all together.As a follow up to the binder idea - So far I have heard from 5individuals. Another thought - because most of the 'parts' will be prefabedthe question of a 'Binder in a Box' came up for those not attending. The boxwould contain the 'parts' and perhaps a video showing how the final assemblygoes. Besides the $25 or so in parts cost there would be another $10 or soUPS. ??????????? Wayne from michael@wupsych.wustl.edu Tue Nov 26 11:20:06 1996 Subject: Stress Curves Bill Fink seez... To Mike Biondo, Hi Mike,I'm commenting on your message of 28 Oct 96 to the List. I think you arecorrect in your interpretation of Garrison"s tip treatment & stress curves.You might be interested to know that his stress curves work well for me whenextended to five side tapers. Bill Fink Bill, does a Garrison taper, when constructed in a five-sidedgeometry still retain the same 'feel' as a six-sided Garrison? As was recently mentioned on the list, recreating a hex taperin a pent design, one could almost go up a line size from thesix-sided design. Given the above, I would expect that wouldalso give the effect of 'speeding up' a slow design such asthe Garrisons. Mike - always slow action - BiondoSt. Louis, Mo. from Jerry.Snider@UC.Edu Tue Nov 26 12:34:05 1996 Subject: Re: Oven Shells for Grayrock 97 I, too, would be interested in the binder "kit.". J. Snider. from rm5552@gumby.engsvc.hazeltine.com Tue Nov 26 12:53:16 1996 Subject: Binder Kit I'd be interested in a binder kit too. Bob Matarazzo from BYeom58963@aol.com Tue Nov 26 17:39:36 1996 Subject: Re: agate guides Point of contact is Keiven (sic) Calloway 503-590-3120 from MNBHEXROD@aol.com Tue Nov 26 18:56:30 1996 Subject: Re: agate guides thank you for the information. M.Brown from GLohkamp@aol.com Tue Nov 26 18:57:02 1996 Subject: Re: agate guides Yes his name is kevin calloway at 503- 590 3120 portland ore. Thanksgary from GLohkamp@aol.com Tue Nov 26 19:06:24 1996 Subject: Re: Small piece(s) of bamboo requested you may not need to scrape the varnish from the guides , lf it is not put onto heavythe build up is hard to see and l have not found it offensive to justleave it on . As for little bamboo sticks l would go and buy some chop sticksat the store.hoped l've helpedgary from cbogart@ibm.net Tue Nov 26 19:22:34 1996 Priority: Normal Subject: Re: Dial Indicators Bob Further to the part - you can order direct from Starettusing their 800 number - I just did so. The last conical pointI saw was about a 45 degree angle - beware. Chris from cbogart@ibm.net Tue Nov 26 19:31:50 1996 Priority: Normal Subject: Re: Oven Shells for Grayrock 97 Wayne Two good ideas - ovens and binders. You might want to add your DYI scraper plane tothe list of things. I could bring a couple of my wooden splicing blocks for nodeless and hollow fluting jig if thatwould round out a number of simple projects for the handy dandy rodmaker. Chris from lawdevil@ix.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 20:05:58 1996 Subject: Re: Dial Indicators Chris Bogart wrote: Bob Further to the part - you can order direct from Starettusing their 800 number - I just did so. The last conical pointI saw was about a 45 degree angle - beware. Chris What is the 800 number? Mike-- Mike Ray "...sex, death and fly- fishing;lawdevil@ix.netcom.com the meanings of life and sport;Atlanta, Georgia are we real participants or just observers,404-332-6661 and what kind of difference does it make?"Cashiers, NC John Gierach704-743-5625 from richjez@wwa.com Tue Nov 26 22:24:04 1996 Subject: Re: Oven Shells for Grayrock 97 Yes Chris, it would be good to see your splicing jig and hollow fluting tool. (No this is not a dirty joke.) This year I an going to take photos and measure all of the neat things ar Greyrock.Rich Jezioro *_________________________________)// Rich Jezioro @ / /|| __________________________________________________|| /\ / \ > > > from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Wed Nov 27 07:34:35 1996 Subject: VFS chat room To all, As memtioned on a previous post, Jonathan Clark and I met on the VFS chatline. We discussed whether other rod builders would be interested in thesame type of venue. Last Saturday, Jon and I were on-line in the chat room interested in cane rod building but had not yet started construction. Therewere several folks that dropped notes about specific techniques and subjectsthat either Jon or I attempted to answer. Would you care to join us? For the next few Saturday's, Jon or I or bothwill be on Chat line from 10:00 Eastern Time for about 1-2 hours. Perhaps itwill be an opportunity for you to learn or help others learn about ourcraft. At the least, it will be a chance to BS with friends in "real time". The address is http://www.flyshop.com/chat/index.html If there is no interest shown by the cane builders after a few Saturdays, Iexpect that this just will fade away. It's a great opportunity for us torefute the BS peddled by the graphite boys about our wooden poles just notdoing the job. regards, Don Andersen from FFer4trout@aol.com Wed Nov 27 07:52:36 1996 Subject: Jasper thread Does anyone have a source of these silk jasper threads? I'm looking for some black/red for a Heddon #10 and also black/green (orperhaps green/antique yellow?) for a Heddon model #8. Thanks, Don Burns from michael@wupsych.wustl.edu Wed Nov 27 09:17:01 1996 Subject: Re: Oven Shells for Grayrock 97 Chris seez... Wayne Two good ideas - ovens and binders. You might want to add your DYI scraper plane tothe list of things. I could bring a couple of my wooden splicing blocks for nodeless and hollow fluting jig if thatwould round out a number of simple projects for the handy dandy rodmaker. Hey, that's a great idea! I've had the picture of Wayne'sscraper for some time now waiting to find a suitable scannerto get it in the archives. I have also been wanting to makeone for myself but as yet haven't gotten around to it. And, I still haven't made a splicing block... This is GREAT!!! In addition to Greyrock '97 being a funweekend, I just might be able to upgrade, and add to myrodmaking tools!!! Can't wait... Mike - Clueless/Tooless Man - BiondoSt. Louis, Mo. from Fallcreek9@aol.com Wed Nov 27 10:26:29 1996 Subject: Re: Pentas In a message dated 96-11-20 19:29:08 EST, you write: Thanks for your nice comments about my early articles in Fly Fisherman.But what the hell is "what the hell is a dry fly rod"? I don't recognizethat one. Could you give me the date? I have all the back issues on filesome place.Question: what are you using for planing forms for five siders? Bill - sorry for the late response. Had to hit the books looking for thearticle. Turned out to be your "bamboo rods in space age" article that Iremembered (Mar 71, vol 2, # 5). I use Coloredo Bootstrap ( Frank Armbruster) forms and find them quite ok. Len Highstand's program seems ok for transferring hex dimensions to pents.Sent a set of pent blanks for comparison to a chap who provided hisdimensions for a favorite 7-9 #5 rod. He said it compared quite well,considering all the other variables. Guess we will have to wait and see ifstress probs develop at the ferrules. Will try the hollow version also madewith a # 4. Appreciate your help with the pentas. Best Regards,Richard from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Wed Nov 27 10:32:21 1996 (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA146072339; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:32:19 -0800 Subject: RE: Jasper Thread Don, I recently received some black/red mingled thread from Belvoirdale. It looks to me like about size A, although it's advertised as 00 to A in size. I'm going to use it on a Heddon #10 also. While I'm at it, does the #10 your restoring originally have any signature wraps between the open hookkeeper wrap and the stripper guide wrap? Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from lostrivr@im4u.net Wed Nov 27 16:57:26 1996 Subject: Re: Small piece(s) of bamboo requested At 08:47 AM 11/25/96 -0500, you wrote: I am only at the restoration stage of cane rods, and early in that. I have my first two rods about to get dipped and I am asking for a few small>pieces of bamboo to scrape the guides (as recommended in Garrison/Carmichael)afterward. I can offer the donater some personally tied flies of any pattern requested. Thank you in advance, Russ LavigneAnachemrpo@aol.com 4 Fox Haven LaneSt. Albans, Vt. 05478 Hi Russ I will put some shorts in the mail on Friday. Ron Barch from fiveside@net-gate.com Wed Nov 27 18:20:09 1996 Subject: Tapers To Michael Biondo, Hi Mike,Replying to your message, in general 5-siders seem quicker than hex, butwith a weight penalty.If you duplicate a hex in 5-side by converting to the same cross sectionareas you are in no-man's land and should probably go DOWN one line size tobe safe stress-wise.To do 5-siders correctly you need a taper/stress program dedicated to5-side geometry. If you do this, and use Garrison's stress curve, you willget a very nice rod. Best regards, Bill Fink from plipton@sunvalley.net Wed Nov 27 21:18:31 1996 (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11203) with SMTP id AAA355 Organization: Sun Valley Rods Subject: Re: Dial Indicators Bob Matarazzo X2631 wrote: I just received an Enco catalog and would like to order a dial indicatorand 60 degree point. Is there a particular model that would be appropriate a 60 degree point in the catalog. There was a conical point listed, butno indication as to what the angle is. I'd appreciate any recommendationson this. Thanks,Bob MatarazzoMelville, NYBob: I ordered a dial indicator, base and a "set" of 22 points. The indicatoris okay. The 60 degree conical point was more like a 57 degree point. Ireplaced it with a Starett 60 degree point. F.Y.I.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Philip Lipton,Sun Valley RodsPO Box 1003, Sun Valley, ID 83353208-726- 9559, 208-622-8585 Fax 208-726-0191 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from JCZIMNY@dol.net Thu Nov 28 11:13:17 1996 Subject: Re: Dial Indicators You know, it is quite possible to make you own 60 degree point on a metal lath. It takes about 15 Min. with a file and a stone. If you have a tool post grinder, You've got it made. Bought one of those reel seat mandrels from Pentools. For those who want to make their own reelseats, a great tool John Zimny from jonrc@atlantic.net Thu Nov 28 20:03:01 1996 Subject: Saturday morning chat Just to follow up on Don Anderson's post about the Saturday morningchat. This chat room is devoted to fly fishing and I've met a lot ofnice people there, Don is one of them. It is an opportunity to meet andtalk with fellow rodmakers on an informal basis. It can be fun, fastpased and informative. I hope that some of you will join us there onSaturday at 10:00 AM EST. http://www.flyshop.com/Chat/index.html -- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from rcurry@jlc.net Fri Nov 29 11:14:41 1996 Subject: Re: Fishing books Pete,Sorry for the delayed reply, I was waiting to hear from the first person to request the books, but he has not responded. I hope he's okay.If you will send me your snail mail address, I will post the books to you. Postage will probably run about $2, so if you want to send me a Reed CurryR.R.#2 Box 468Temple, N.H. 03084 Should you not have an interest in the Practical Bait Casting, Rich Tyree is very interested in it. Best regards,Reed Reed, I'd like to have the books if still available. Pete Glazier from lostrivr@im4u.net Sat Nov 30 14:26:51 1996 Subject: Re: Plaintive cry for Help At 09:02 PM 11/25/96 -0700, you wrote:To all, Got a Hardy into the shop yesterday from a lady whose husband destroyed thelast 8" of her rod. Need's tip repair. The question is: does anyone have ataper for a Hardy Palkona #6 7 1/2' rod tip section. Not enough left to take any morethan a guess @ the taper. Regards, Don Andersen Hi Don,I am curious. Did you have any luck with the Hardy e-mail addresssomeone sent you over the Rodmaker List?Ron Barch from lostrivr@im4u.net Sat Nov 30 15:00:17 1996 Subject: El Primo Cork!!!!!! I have just received some cork rings from John Bradford, a fellow rodmaker.I am so excited that I have to pass this on.....it would have been in thelatest issue of Planing Form Newsletter but it went to print before the corkarrived.John called me awhile ago and we talked cork availability and quality.John told me he had around 4000 rings in his stockpile and wanted to sellsome. I was interested in seeing some and he sent enough for 2 grips. WHENTHEY ARRIVED I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED. THE BEST CORK I HAVE SEEN FOR SOMETIME. John's note stated he sent his typical stuff and did not sort. A fewof the rings were absolutely perfect...no foolin, PERFECT. I don't carewhat grading system you use 4 star, flor grade, smooth as a baby's bottom orwhatever...This stuff is top notch. No filling, No surprises. John says he "flat sands" the rings to minimize gross defects thatmight otherwise get by due to the white residue that is caused by the aciddip they put them through. The rings do not have any cracks or biascuts....John throws those away. I wish I had a chance to look over hisscrap pile. Anyway if you need cork I recommend this stuff as the best weare going to see for a long time. Cost is $13.50 per 14 rings and 2.50shipping. This price seemed a little high until I received my rings andrealized it was a "Good Deal"Here's John Bradford's Numbers phone: 817- 292-3324 fax 817-263-4404John is not a computer kind of guy that is why I am posting this. I did notwant to wait until the next newsletter to spread the word. Ron Barch from PeterG4444@aol.com Sat Nov 30 17:19:32 1996 Subject: Re: Fishing books Reed, I'll send the check for $20.75 Monday. I felt a little silly when I postedmy reply instead of emailing you directly but I guess it worked out OK..Anyway, I'll be glad to get the books.....thanks a lot. Pete Pete Glazier P O Box 9Fisherville, KY 40023