from heist@p2.acadia.net Wed Jan 1 10:22:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16286 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:21:59 -0600 p2.acadia.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04984 for Subject: Frank's forms Hey Bill Hensel,I enjoyed your comments/praises the other day about Frank Armburter'sformsand I was relaying some of it to him, unfortunatly he missed your letter.I thought if you still have it or someone else still has the letter intheir mail box they could repost it or e-mail it to Frank atbootstrap@earthlink.net. Do in part to your letter I am going to order oneof Frank's forms.Thanks I always appreciate your input on this listserve.Jerry Heist from mhonywel@po.fast.net Wed Jan 1 10:30:29 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16441 for ;Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:27:38 -0600 (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vfTWs-00044CC; Wed, 1 Jan 97 11:28 EST Subject: unsuscribe I would like to cancel this subscription please. Michael M. Honeywell1257 knossos drwhitehall pa. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Wed Jan 1 11:48:35 1997 1997 11:48:33 -0600 Jan 1997 12:48:33 -0500 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: New year nodeless Tony,I center the tabs on the edges(seams). I have filed a taper in theblank through the fluting of the ferrule down to the i.d. of the ferrule. Ifile the start of the taper enough so the outside edge of the tabs are flushwith the cane edges. I glue the ferrules on before I file the tabs. This isdone by hand.counting the strokes as I don't have a lathe. As a resultsometimes I am not precise enough to preclude separation but usually itworks, To mark the cane I lay thr male ferrule next to the cane (I usesuperz's-the male and female internals are the same) and mark the 2 ends ofthefluting so I know where to file.Hope this helps,Hank. P.S. Garrison does mention placing the tabs on the corners but I feel thatWayne Catt's book does a better overall job -I'm not in business withWaynebut count him as a very helpful friend. from FFer4trout@aol.com Wed Jan 1 12:36:30 1997 ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:36:29 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:36:28 -0500 Subject: Re: cost cutting In a message dated 96-12-31 23:03:06 EST, you write: Subj: cost cuttingDate: 96-12-31 23:03:06 ESTFrom: GLohkamp@aol.comSender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Just starting out building rods , it became very apparent that the sustainingcosts are high . That is not counting any tools or forms , binder ect. l justseen the new prices for n\s ferrules at $41 two male set. add that tothereel seat guides silk ect, your talking $ 140-150 for each rod. This is ok costdown to $59 each . first because l have more time than money, l'veelected tobuild as many basic components for the rod myself .l've traded a rod forasmall metal lathe which made this alot simpler . The thing l really wanted to say is on the very few first rods l usedferrules made of brass tubing that l got at the hobby store , they use ittomake rc car frames . lt's got the correct wall thickness and comes intheright sizes. You can cut it with a tubing cutter sweat it together andyouhave a good ferrule for about 2 bucks .You dont need a lathe for this .This helped me get the cost down so l could build more rods until lstartedgetting the results that l wanted, then l moved up to n\s ferrules .Last thing good cork is real expensive too , but you can get good corkringswith out the center hole , unbleached for a lot less. l paid 16 cents each bleachedones when they have been turned down. l would like to hear about other ways to keep the cost down. thanks gary Gary, That's a lot of work when you can buy Ni-plated brass ferrules for about$1.50 - $2.00. If you could find NS tubing (used to be at hobby shops yearsago) then I'd say it might be worth it. Cheap cork can be found free at the end of a wine bottle. Needs lots'a laborof love to make into something useful. Free bamboo can be found just down the road from me (in Southern CA) too.Cutyour own! No, I don't ship! Don B. from rcurry@jlc.net Wed Jan 1 13:07:30 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19750 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:07:28 -0600 verdi.jlc.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA08962 for Subject: Split or serrated ... or neither All,With all this talk of where to place the tabs, edges vs. flats, whatabout those cases where you are using split ferrules? I have used splitferrules with excellent results for replacements on rods which had splitferrules. Some of the old rodmakers swear by the split (sawn). I,personally, like the classic "line of beauty" cut used on some ferrules. As to where the "tab" goes with such a sawn ferrule? It usuallystartson a flat.The third option is the annealled and peened ferrule. I have seen thisused with great effect. Chris B. built a rod with ferrules applied inthis manner, what problems did this give you re: separation, Chris?Best regards,Reed from domenic1@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 1 13:50:52 1997 LAA05382 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 11:50:47 -0800 1997 14:50:59 -0500 Subject: Fileing Nodes =_NextPart_000_01BBF7F3.335BFA00" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBF7F3.335BFA00 Can anyone tell me how they file nodes prior to straghtening? I file my =nodes,then straghten them .They look great,but after heat treating they =pop out.Then by the time I level them again,I cut alot of fibers. Any =tricks? ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBF7F3.335BFA00-- from cbogart@ibm.net Wed Jan 1 15:45:04 1997 ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 15:45:03 -0600 ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:50:13 -0500 Priority: Normal boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.E3CND2138764=_=_=_"Subject: Re: Split or serrated ... or neither --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.E3CND2138764=_=_=_ Reed Ref the rod with annealled and pinned ferrules -I used fairly thick thread (red / black silk jasper) for it.the thread is between A and C size - It is the stuff I sent you. So no problems at all with the rod. I had it at Roscoe another way of doing things. But I have attached anGIF file of the male portion and another of female andtip to show this type of ferrule. Chris from rcurry@jlc.net Wed Jan 1 16:39:09 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24357 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:39:07 -0600 verdi.jlc.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA11736 for Subject: Re: Split or serrated ... or neither Chris Bogart wrote: Reed Ref the rod with annealled and pinned ferrules -I used fairly thick thread (red / black silk jasper) for it.the thread is between A and C size - It is the stuff I sentyou. So no problems at all with the rod. I had it at Roscoe another way of doing things. But I have attached anGIF file of the male portion and another of female andtip to show this type of ferrule. Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------[Image] [Image]Chris,Great pictures. Nice looking rod.Actually, I said "peened", although those ferrules were also pinned.Bypeened, I meant beating the metal with a ballpeen hammer, a very smallballpeen hammer. Any separation yet?Also, name your SM poison.Reed from bssb@voicenet.com Wed Jan 1 18:49:55 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26324 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 18:49:54 -0600 Subject: New to Bamboo Rod building Greetings Group, I've just subscribed to this news group and want to introducemyself. I've been building rods (graphite) for 6 years. I am findingbuilding these rods less of a challenge and not very rewarding these days.I would like to move into Bamboo rod building but not sure where/how tostart. Any suggestions on good books, or how to get started would begreatly appreciated. I'm from the Pottstown ares (PA). I look forward tofuture conversations with this group. Bruce Campo from bootstrap@earthlink.net Wed Jan 1 19:22:08 1997 TAA27469 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 19:22:06 -0600 RAA06592 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:21:58 - Subject: Re: New to Bamboo Rod building Hi, welcome. in order, my recommendations are as follows:1. Get a book- Cattanach's or Carmichael/Garrison. You might find theCarmichael book in your public library if you're lucky.2. Decide if you really want to get involved.3. Get your spouse or significant other to concur- explain that thishobby/sport is addicting :-)4. Buy or borrow Cattanach's videotape. asmany back issues as Ron has left.)6. Continue asking questions on the newsgroup. Surf the websites dealingwith cane rodmaking.7. Attend a workshop. Follow your instincts. Good luck. Happy New Year.Frank in Colorado from williamsw@n-link.com Wed Jan 1 20:42:22 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA29208 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 20:42:21 -0600 (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA28809 for ;Wed, 1 Jan 1997 20:42:19 - 0600 Subject: Re: unsuscribe michael honeywell wrote: I would like to cancel this subscription please. Michael M. Honeywell1257 knossos drwhitehall pa. Please do not send requests to unsuscribe to everyone on the list. Please use the following procedure as was outlined in your welcomeletter. To signoff from the list, email to listproc@mail.wustl.edu with thefollowing request: signoff RODMAKERSorunsubscribe RODMAKERS from dcanny@mhtc.net Wed Jan 1 21:17:55 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00433 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 21:17:53 -0600 pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA26639 for Subject: Info on Southbend Double Built Rod Hi, Just received a Southbend Double Built Rod with the letters HDH or D to the right of the Southbend Decal and across from the Double Built decal are the numbers 312-8 1/2'. Can anyone tell me more about this particular rod. It is in excellent condition, I do not believe it was used that often. It came with two tips and they both are in the same condition. Thanks for your help. David from cheri@jit.com Wed Jan 1 23:14:12 1997 VAA27175 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 21:13:57 -0800 Subject: Rod: quick intro from a lady interested in BAMBOO rods! => Hi, folks ... Well, I've been reading & "lurking" from Cheri - in York SC USA ... I'm new to all of this & I wish to learn from the proslike you. Why? So I can enjoy _spending time w/ my Dad_once he completes his "new & improved" larger woodshop. He's not into fishing really, but he is a whiz at woodworking. He has a fish pond he made himself (dug w/ borrowed machines).We're thinking of planting a bamboo grove at his new homesite,too. BUT, he wonders if the bamboo will grow outta _control_. Anyone here know _how to contain_ bamboo's rapid growth? ;-) I spent 3 years living in Tokyo while a US Air Force officer,so I know firsthand how _sturdy_, reliable, & versatile bambooreally is ... it's an amazing & beautiful natural resource. We have a source locally, but haven't "planted" any ... YET! Looking forward to learning, chatting, woodworking,& spending time w/ my Dad doing his favorite things. Cheers, folks ... - Cheri Sigmon - from dmichels@usitc.gov Thu Jan 2 06:16:41 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA11419 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 06:16:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Correction of Color (deficiency) Blindness Hi Dave Canny: I read in the past about corrections for color deficiency, but have always wondered why such a treatment was never popular or available. Is this experimental? Personally, I am one of the 8 percent and am deficient in the reds/greens. I flunked both the isochromatomorphic charts and the good ol' farnsworth lantern test My appreciation for color is mainly in the blues and I do use contrasting colors (like reds along with blues, gold metallic, sometimes green) when wrapping. Heck, the fish are colour blind anyway, so I don't think they are going to notice anyway. -------------Original Text David Canny wrote: Hi,To start with I mistakenly sent the wrong e-mail on the samesubject, sorry.I am new at this. For the last month I have been taking in all thehelpful information from the RODMAKERS, it is now time to contribute. Asan Optometrist for the last 36 years I have frequently had requests tocorrect a patient's color deficiency. It was discovered in 1968 duringdeep sea vision research that a simple red lens over one eye could givecolor discrimination to over 90% of the color deficient population.There are at least 8% of the male and .5% of the female population thathave some degree of color deficiency. When I had a patient with colordeficiency I simple placed a red trial lens over one of the patient'seyes and had them re-read the color chart. In over 90% of the casestotal color discrimination for the 19 plates was attained. Some patientswere fitted with the x-chrom contact lens, a red lens made exclusively variance in color, flowers became much more interesting because of thegraduation of colors. One patient had to remove his contact lens whiledriving by a long field where new steel posts with a red top wereinstalled. He said it was like someone flashing a red light in his sidevision, as he drove by.I suspect that a few of you have trouble picking out the right colorthread etc, my suggestion is the next time you are checked by your eyeDoctor, ask if he or she will re-test you with a red "trial lens" overone eye. You will quickly know if you are correctable.Most times correction for color deficiency was accomplished withspectacles and worn only when the need for color discriminationoccurred.Obviously walking around in public with one clear lens and one red lenswas not appealing, thus the contact lens for constant correction. Itdoes come in a soft and rigid form.If anyone has questions I would be glad to share my knowledge in thisarea. Good vision, David Canny, O.D.Platteville, Wisconsin from Fallcreek9@aol.com Thu Jan 2 07:44:07 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 07:44:04 -0600 RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:44:03 -0500 Subject: Leonard Parts Greetings:Have a friend who is refinishing a Leonard 9-0 Tournament, 3-pc 1950'smade.Needs a stripper guide and a tip snake, approx 1/0. Anyone have a sourcetoshare or any leads of any kind to help find these items? Your help wouldbegreatly appreciated. Best to all in '97,Richard Tyree from rm5552@gumby.engsvc.hazeltine.com Thu Jan 2 08:39:33 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15371 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:39:32 -0600 (1.37.109.16/3.1.090690-Hazeltine Corporation) (4.1/SMI-4.1) Subject: Re: Reels Phil, -Bob MatarazzoMelville, NY from FFer4trout@aol.com Thu Jan 2 09:03:33 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:03:31 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:03:31 -0500 Subject: 97 Catalogs? Hi all: My first '97 fishing related catalog arrived, from Netcraft. Seems they'vemerged with Jann's Sportsman's Supplies to become Jann's Netcraft. Thenewcatolog is vastly improved for flytying materials and somewhat better forrod-building supplies, but little bamboo- rod related goodies. But note, their price for NPB ferrules jumped about $0.50 each to averageabout a heady price of 2 bucks each. Also, the smallest size ferrule(10/11)has disappeared too. Gone are many "funky" old items and one new item that caught my eye wasa newfly reel from Marado. Comes in 3 sizes (4/5, 6/7, 8/9), L/R convert., made from die-cast AL, has a counter-balanced spool, roller bearings and ateflondisk-drag all for $34.99! Sounds like a nice backup reel for you guys withthe Hardy budgets, or a good 1st reel for us morals. While on the subject of catalogs, is there any other good cane rod buildingcatalogs that I should add to my '97 list? I get the Dale Clemens and Angler Workshop catalogs now and severalsmallercompanies that cater mostly to the graphite rod market. Plus the Orvis,L.L.Bean and Cabella's catalogs and 6 or 7 classic-rod dealer lists. Don B. PS - May your 1997 be filled with good weather and good fishing stories. from Anachemrpo@aol.com Thu Jan 2 09:16:57 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:16:56 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:16:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard Parts You might try the people at R.E.C. Corporation in Morrisville Vt..802-888- 7200. I believe that they purchased a bunch of Leonardcomponents (ifnot the whole pile of assets) when the company closed. I bought a Leonard(engraved) butt cap and other components from them for a Leonard blankthat Ibought from Len Codella earlier this year. no affliliation...etc. Russ LavigneAnachemrpo@aol.com from FFer4trout@aol.com Thu Jan 2 09:33:48 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:33:47 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:33:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard Parts In a message dated 97-01-02 08:55:34 EST, you write: Subj: Leonard PartsDate: 97-01-02 08:55:34 ESTFrom: Fallcreek9@aol.comSender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Greetings:Have a friend who is refinishing a Leonard 9-0 Tournament, 3-pc 1950'smade.Needs a stripper guide and a tip snake, approx 1/0. Anyone have asource toshare or any leads of any kind to help find these items? Your help wouldbegreatly appreciated. Best to all in '97,Richard Tyree Richard, Leonard used standard snakes on their rods? I've got some used smallersnakesthat I've removed from rods, I could send you one if it would match thesize.Might need a little rust removal. What kind of stripper does the rod take, an agate stripper? The closestthingon the market now is the agateen (red glass) strippers at Angler'sWorkshop,I think. Email me your address if you what the snake. Don Burns from FFer4trout@aol.com Thu Jan 2 09:34:05 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:34:04 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:34:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Reels In a message dated 96-12-30 18:55:20 EST, you write: Subj: Re: ReelsDate: 96-12-30 18:55:20 ESTFrom: rcurry@jlc.net (Reed F. Curry)Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In repsonse to Philip, Richard Tyree wrote: Philip: Presently the Pflueger Medalist reels are good buy if you arenotgoing for top of the line items. Actually, a lot of the early Fly Fishermanissues had cover pictures of bamboo rods equipped with the Medalistreels.-skip-Richard Tyree Philip,I concur with the Medalist vote but with the proviso that the Medalistbe U.S. made. The later (1970s+, also current) Medalists made in Chinaand other off-shore sites are poorly constructed, from poor qualitymaterials. (Plastic replaced brass or steel for an internal sprocket.) I own and use many (most?) of the early fly reels that Pfluegerproduced, from the NS and hard rubber wide models, through the bulldogProgress, to the largest of the Medalist, the 1498. That said, oneserious drawback of almost all of these models is the curvature of thereel foot, it doesn't fit any good quality reel seat I've ever found.Thus I have found it necessary to retrofit the Medalist with the Pfoot,a milled aluminum reelseat produced for a time by Bill Franke.Unfortunately, these are no longer available. Since I appear to have talked myself out of the Medalist (they're greatbut they don't fit) I would suggest that, if you have the funds, an oldHardy Perfect, or, if you are feeling a bit flush, any of the NewHampshire makers - Bogdan (2+ year waiting list), Peerless (excellentquality,I'd love to have one) or Robichaud (looks good but I've nevertried one). I prefer a heavy reel, it seems to make the rod feel lighter. (TheMedalists even have the option of dropping birdshot into the center foradditional weight.) Try your rod with a light modern reel and then witha heavier older reel, then post your results, okay?Best regards,Reed Reed, I was taught that a rod "feels" best when mounted with a reel & line thatbalances out at a point near to where your thumb grips the cork. Thismightvery well work out to be a heavy reel on a cane rod. Also, a good reason fora D/L realseat vs. U/L on a cane rod? Tight Lines, Don Burns PS - Is it just me, or are we being invaded by the flamers? from rfairfie@cisco.com Thu Jan 2 11:13:13 1997 JAA29849 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:12:48 - 0800 Subject: Re: Writing on bamboo India ink works well in a pen called a Rapidograph, and probably be foundinmost large stationary stores. It, too, has a wire that slides up and downinthe pen tip, keeping it clear. They come in a variety of tip diameters. Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Tue Dec 31 11:27:35 1996 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: bootstrap@earthlink.net (Franz O. Armbruster) Subject: Re: Writing on bambooMime-Version: 1.0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 350 Mac. I suspect they used a pen called "INKOGRAPH" It was a fine tubewitha wire inside and a weight that shook the wire to keep the tube clear ofclogs. I owned one in the 40s, but it got lost somewhere. It was greatwith india ink. Today, one of those made by Pelikan should do the samejob,and be a lot less messy to use. Frank in Colorado from thezig@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 2 11:46:40 1997 dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA25143 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:46:32 -0800 Organization: Redeye Productions Subject: Re: Reels FFer4trout@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 96-12-30 18:55:20 EST, you write: Subj: Re: ReelsI have a Ballan Heirloom, a Robichaud, and the no-longer made WinstonBogdan-style reel. Any of them look great on a bamboo rod. I think theRobichaud is probably the best value. If you want something vintage andclassic, the farlow grenaby, 1930's vintage, is a pretty, under- appreciatedreel that, when it can be found, is usually inexpensive.my .02Jim from RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Thu Jan 2 12:03:32 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27235 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:03:31 -0600 with BSMTP id 6491; Thu, 02 Jan 97 13:02:34 EST MAINE.MAINE.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with RFC822 id 9851; Thu, 2 Jan 199713:02:34 -0500Subject: Netcraft Don B. Could you post the addr or phone forJann's Netcraft? Thanks. By the way, I getmuch of my fly tying stuff from Hook and Hackleas they seem to have good prices on the basicsupplies. Bob. from mwe@manznet.com Thu Jan 2 12:52:02 1997 MAA29981 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:52:01 -0600 KAA03630 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:55:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Netcraft Don B. Could you post the addr or phone forJann's Netcraft? Thanks. By the way, I getmuch of my fly tying stuff from Hook and Hackleas they seem to have good prices on the basicsupplies. Bob. What is the address for Hook and Hackle?? Thankx A Lot from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Thu Jan 2 14:30:241997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03912 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:30:23 -0600 SMTP id AA25220(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 Jan 199713:30:21 -0700 4.1) Subject: Test Messages Hello Everyone... Please ignore this message....an automounter is givingme trouble in posting to this list. from cbogart@ibm.net Thu Jan 2 17:28:58 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:28:57 -0600 SAA18636 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:34:25 -0500 Priority: Normal Subject: Re: Split or serrated ... or neither Reed At time I feel like I have been "peened" - literally.Have no sign of seperation on this rod at all.As for the SM - couldn't ask for anything betterthan the lovely stuff you brought to Grayling last year. Chris from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Thu Jan 2 18:20:401997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12022 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:20:29 -0600 SMTP id AA10530(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 Jan 199717:19:51 -0700 4.1) Subject: Looking for Cane Hello All.... I am now a newly minted member of this list.... OhhhhhMyyyGooodd! In any event, I am looking for some of the new metal planingforms. Does anyone have some good ideas? I have used homemadeones from maple, but I would like to try the new metal ones. Oh ya! Demarest is currently out of tonkin cane. Does anyoneknow where I can pick up a good quantity of it. Oh, betweena few culms to a bale? from FFer4trout@aol.com Thu Jan 2 18:21:04 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:20:59 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:20:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Netcraft In a message dated 97-01-02 13:21:37 EST, you write: Subj: NetcraftDate: 97-01-02 13:21:37 ESTFrom: RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Robert Milardo)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Don B. Could you post the addr or phone forJann's Netcraft? Thanks. By the way, I getmuch of my fly tying stuff from Hook and Hackleas they seem to have good prices on the basicsupplies. Bob. Jann's NetcraftP.O. Box 89Maumee, OH 43537 USAOrders - (800) 638-2723 Cust. Service (419) 868-8288FAX (419) 868-8338A general fishing catalog, more fly fishing related than in the past (Jann'sinfluence). Still has great lure making stuff, okay rod building stuff andvery good flytying items now. Priced at $2.00 (US) on the cover but I'venever had to pay for it. May charge $ for the first catalog? The $8.00 wood fishing net (trout size) isn't in the new catalog - replacedwith a $5.79 AL net. Now has "brand" name rod blanks vs Netcraftgraphite/fiberglass blanks. Still has many hard to find items. Dale Clemens Custom Tackle Inc.444 Schantz RoadAllentown, PA 18104 USA(610) 395-5119FAX (610) 398-2580A must have catalog for rod building supplies & Dale's rod building books(mostly fiberglass/graphite related) are classics. Catalog is all rodbuilding (all types) and fly tying items. Sends out a special discount flyerwith close-out rod blanks 1 or 2 times a year. Angler's Workshop1350 Alantic Ave.P.O. Box 1010Woodland, WA 98674 USAOrders - (360) 225-9445Cust. Service - (360) 225-6359FAX (800) 278- 1069 USA onlyFAX - Internat. (360) 225-8641A must, must, must have catalog! Silk thread, NS ferrules, agateenstripperguides etc. Catalog is all rod building (again all types) or fly tying items. None of the three have huge quanities of bamboo-only products, but allhavegood selections of guides, graphite blanks and all have rod buildingsupplies. International orders are okay with all three. First 2 are easternUSA time - third's the same as CA's time. Sorry for the bandwidth, but it'll cut down RE: postings if I just post allthree. Don Burns from ampacvic@edison.dialix.com.au Thu Jan 2 19:24:44 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:24:24 -0600 Subject: cancellation of subscription please cancel my subscription andy childsmelbourne australia from Fallcreek9@aol.com Thu Jan 2 19:49:41 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:49:39 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:49:38 -0500 Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? In a message dated 97-01-02 10:18:55 EST, you write: While on the subject of catalogs, is there any other good cane rodbuildingcatalogs that I should add to my '97 list? Don - If the business still exists, Kettle Creek Tackle Shop is a goodsource. 717-923-1416. My latest catalog from there is the 1994 edition. Ifyou try them, let us know what you find out. Regards,RTyree from Fallcreek9@aol.com Thu Jan 2 19:49:47 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:49:45 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:49:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard Parts To Don Burns and Russ Lavigne. Thanks for the info about Leonard parts.Have forwarded the contents to the friend of mine who is looking.Best Regards,Richard Tyree from Rich_Margiotta@cpqm.mail.saic.com Fri Jan 3 08:23:55 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04319 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:23:54 -0600 06:23:49 -0800 Subject: Leonard blank Subject: Time: 10:29 AMOFFICE MEMO Leonard blank Date: 1/2/97 Russ: With regard to the Leonard blank you bought from Len Codella, was it fromthatbunch of blanks he had where he did not specifically list the original in hiscatalog? I bought one of these and it is really nice work. Just wonderingifit's a Leonard. Thanks. --Rich from Anachemrpo@aol.com Fri Jan 3 09:16:24 1997 ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:16:22 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:16:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard blank Yes it was one of those half dozen or so that he listed as being made by a"quality manufacturer, no longer in business" or something like that. WhenIasked him about their origin he told me that they were Leonard blanks thathad been made in the seventies and had not been used in production for thecosmetic reason stated in his catalog.I bought one of the 6' 10'" 4/5 weight. I just finished the third dipping ofvarnish last night. All that is left is to glue on the butt cap (which is aLeonard that a I got from R.E.C. Corp) and wait until spring! I finished itout with a butternut spacer, 6 inch cigar grip, bright nickel silver windingcheck and dark strippers and guide with chinese red wrappings. All ofthesecomponenets were indicated by Len Codella as the type originally used forthis rod. Previously I had acquired a refinished Heddon Black Beauty 8' 6" for 5wt,which broke at the ferrule on my second outing and has since been repairedbymoi. I also acquired a "Sport King" project rod (9foot 7wt) which I stripped anddipped as my practice rod prior to the Leonard. The Leonard is just how I had hoped it would turn out. Which blank did you get? Regards, Russ Lavigne from 76250.1771@CompuServe.COM Fri Jan 3 10:25:36 1997 KAA09571 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:25:35 -0600 Subject: Southbend Double Built rod David-The Cross Rod Co. made double built rods until 1926 when the companywas sold tothe South Bend Bait Company (for about $20,000). The South Bend Co. madetwodifferent lines of rods. The Southbend rods were production rods made tocompetewith Montague, H.&I., etc. The Cross rods were a higher quality line tocompetewith Heddon, Edwards, etc. The Cross rods disappeared from the catalogsafterWorld War 2. If your rod has a Comficient grip, ie. a depression for yourthumbin the cork, the rod dates from after 1939. Southbend used an oval orangeandyellow decal from 1926 until after WWII, then changed to a rectangularyellowdecal with orange letters. If you have a long rectangular "made bysouthbend"decal in black letters with a tan background your rod was probablyrepaired orrestored by southbend and is a replacement decal. The double built rodsweremade by cementing the outside power fibers from two pieces of bamboothencutting the triangular strips to make the rod, basically a rod within a rod.Thebutt and middle sections were doublebuilt only- the tips were single built.Inthe late 30's the model 312 sold for $22.50. It's a dry fly action that camein81/2,9,91/2 ft. lengths. The HDH or D refers to the line size the rod wasmadefor. The HDH is todays DT6 and the D a level 6wt. Hope this helps. For morebackground try "Wes Jordan-Profile of a Rodmaker", by Dick Spurr&GloriaJordan. Dennis from michael@wupsych.wustl.edu Fri Jan 3 10:46:06 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10688 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:46:05 -0600 Subject: Left Coast - Everyone Okay? Wow, first Oregon and Washington, now California and Nevada!!! Sure hope all you rodmakers out that way are alright. I haveseen first-hand the devastation possible, with the recent floodshere in the midwest. Hoping each of you are out of harm's way. Let us know how you all are doing... Mike - enjoying a bit Springtime in January - BiondoSt. Louis, Mo. from Lloyd.Cross@clorox.com Fri Jan 3 12:14:06 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15239 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 12:14:05 -0600 mail.pilot.net with ESMTP id KAA10023 for (CEMS 5.01/1.37.109.14) id AA012145639; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:20:39 -0800 (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 2CD4CE60; Fri, 3 Jan 9710:16:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Left Coast - Everyone Okay? Mike, An unbelievable amount of water has fallen in Oregon. According to the Weather-guessers we are at the beginning of a 22 year wet cycle. Hang on! Speaking for the upper Mckenzie, although currently lapping very close tomy front porch, it has done very well due to several flood control reservoirs. Some folks on the Rouge and Umpqua have not been so lucky. For those interested, there is a wealth of information made available by the ArmyCorps of Engineers over the Internet. Many river plots are updated hourly. Our biggest danger is mudslides below timber clearcuts. HWY 126 whichruns alongside the river has been hit several times in the last week. Lloyd - wish'n I was waterproof - Cross Blue River, Oregon ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: Left Coast - Everyone Okay?Author: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu at Internet Wow, first Oregon and Washington, now California and Nevada!!! Sure hope all you rodmakers out that way are alright. I have seen first-hand the devastation possible, with the recent floods here in the midwest. Hoping each of you are out of harm's way. Let us know how you all are doing... Mike - enjoying a bit Springtime in January - Biondo St. Louis, Mo. from kmsmith@inx.net Fri Jan 3 13:00:27 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18251 for ;Fri, 3 Jan 1997 13:00:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Writing on bamboo I use a Goose Quill with India Ink Just my way - KevinKevin Smith kmsmith@inx.net from RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Fri Jan 3 14:50:36 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24434 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:50:34 -0600 with BSMTP id 9797; Fri, 03 Jan 97 15:49:37 EST MAINE.MAINE.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with RFC822 id 1221; Fri, 3 Jan 199715:49:37 -0500Subject: Re: Netcraft Hook and Hackle Co., 7 Kaycee Loop Rd., Plattsburgh, NY 12901800 552- 8342. As requested. I've been dealing with them with good prices on basic fly tying materials, and theusual fishing gear. An order usually comes with thegoods requested plus a 10% discount on a future order,so judge your first order accordingly. Tight lines, B. from jonrc@atlantic.net Fri Jan 3 20:27:57 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06029 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:27:55 -0600 berlin.atlantic.net (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA13277 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:52:30 -0500 Subject: Cane Chat at 10 am EST I just wanted to remind everone that there is still on ongoing Canebuilders Chat every Sat morning at 10 am EST. The URL of the chat roomis: http://www.flyshop.com/Chat/index.html-- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water. Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Fri Jan 3 20:57:01 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06954 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:56:57 -0600 Sat, 4 Jan 1997 10:56:46 +0800 (WST) Subject: Demarest cane Thought you all might like to know that the Demarests still have non bale cane available, more arriving soon. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from RckyMtKane@aol.com Fri Jan 3 22:07:07 1997 ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:07:06 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:07:05 -0500 Subject: Morley Bros ??? To anyone:Has anyone every heard of a rod with the inscription ' Lady Luck ' by MorleyBros ?this rod was given to one of my customers for Cfhristmas and he wouldlike toknow something about it. It's an 8 1/2 ft , 3 pc. rod that seems to beprettynice. Help if you can and thanks in advance.Joe rckymtkane@aol.com from jsmm@interaccess.com Sat Jan 4 00:30:03 1997 Subject: Dating a rod. I just picked up my first antique rod and wanted to try and get anapproximate production date. It's an L.L. Bean 110, 3-piece, with intermediate wraps every two inches. Thanks. Matt Makowski from gord@teleport.com Sat Jan 4 01:24:34 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15248 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:24:32 -0600 XAA25262 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:24:20 - Subject: Re: Dating a rod. I'm interested in this one - but know nothing about it. I, frankly, neverknew Bean had ever dealt in cane at all! Matt... Have you contacted L.L.Bean yet? I'd imagine they have catalogs, for the sake of history, thatcould well pinpoint it.Gord At 12:30 AM 1/4/97 -0600, you wrote:I just picked up my first antique rod and wanted to try and get anapproximate production date. It's an L.L. Bean 110, 3-piece, with intermediate wraps every two inches. Thanks. Matt Makowski from rcurry@jlc.net Sat Jan 4 09:40:58 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24369 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 09:40:56 -0600 verdi.jlc.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21663 for Subject: Re: Dating a rod. Gordon Johnson wrote: I'm interested in this one - but know nothing about it. I, frankly, neverknew Bean had ever dealt in cane at all! Matt... Have you contacted L.L.Bean yet? I'd imagine they have catalogs, for the sake of history, thatcould well pinpoint it.Gord At 12:30 AM 1/4/97 -0600, you wrote:I just picked up my first antique rod and wanted to try and get anapproximate production date. It's an L.L. Bean 110, 3-piece, with intermediate wraps every twoinches. Thanks. Matt MakowskiMatt,I've seen this model before. I'm not sure how much the intermediatestell us about dates, some would say pre-1930 (I think some rods into1940s were still carrying intermediates). Anyway, the rod I handled hadthe ferrules, fittings, and general look of a medium (F5-F7) Bristol.Definitely not one of the other medium quality mass production supplyhouses (Heddon or South Bend)and not the low range (Montague, H- I),IMHO.Seemed like a nice rod, but I didn't have a chance to cast it in theshop.Enjoy,Reed from SealRite@aol.com Sat Jan 4 12:36:47 1997 ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 12:36:46 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:36:45 -0500 Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? Try Bob Marriotts out of California. He has a pretty thick catalog with allkinds of goodies. Good selection of seats, graphite blanks, general flyfishing. Craig Anderson from rickcunn@tenet.edu Sat Jan 4 12:56:34 1997 ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 12:56:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Handyman Specials For Sale Rich,If any of your project rods are Grangers, I would be interested. Please give the model and length and I will get back to you.Rick from dcanny@mhtc.net Sat Jan 4 13:51:12 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29649 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:51:10 -0600 pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA18802 for Subject: color vision correction Hi David Michels,The easiest way to find out if you can be corrected is to use a true red filter and retake the color test. If you want I can send you a trial lens and a Ishihara color plate book. You can return after you have determined your correction possibilities. Let me know. David from FFer4trout@aol.com Sat Jan 4 14:16:00 1997 ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:15:59 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 15:15:58 -0500 Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? In a message dated 97-01-04 13:45:29 EST, you write: Subj: Re: 97 Catalogs?Date: 97-01-04 13:45:29 ESTFrom: SealRite@aol.comSender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Try Bob Marriotts out of California. He has a pretty thick catalog withallkinds of goodies. Good selection of seats, graphite blanks, general flyfishing. Craig Anderson Thanks Craig, I get the Marriott catalog. I also live nearby. Don from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Sat Jan 4 14:51:26 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01767 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:51:25 -0600 4 Jan 97 15:51 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id PAA84366 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 4 Jan1997 15:51:23 -0500 Subject: Re: color vision correction 01:47:56 pm David, I've been receiving your messages re. color correction for afew days. I don't mind that much (the messages are easy todelete) but they are probably not getting to the intendedparty, who might really need the info. My name is Dave Makel.You might want to check the address you are sending to. Dave from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Sat Jan 4 14:55:48 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01933 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:55:47 -0600 4 Jan 97 15:55 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id PAA194120 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 4 Jan1997 15:55:45 -0500 Subject: rod hardware I've been looking for mickel silver rod hardware and can'treally find what I want. Me F.E. Thomas special has a corkfrip and reel seat that I like a lot with an end cap andsliding band and I'd like to put the same on the small streamrod I'm building. Has anybody had any experience with sterlingor coin silver hardware. I can cast and solder it easily andthe raw material is easy to come by....thought it might make while. Nickel silver is pretty hight melting and hard to castin my little dental setup so....... Thanks. Dave Makel from jsmm@interaccess.com Sat Jan 4 18:21:52 1997 thymaster.interaccess.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA14328 for Subject: Re: Dating a rod. Gordon here's some more info on the rod. The rod is 9' and has an extra tip section. The reel seat is nickelsilver, downward screw locking with L.L. BEAN INC. FREEPORT. ME.stampedinto the seat. The seat measure about 1/8th under four inches, whichmakesme think late 30's or 40's. The grip is a double wells. The ferrules are an H-1 style with threegrooved rings near the wraps. They are also nickel silver. The wraps arered with gold trim. There are also intermediate wraps the entire length ofthe rod. They are spaced 1 1/4" on the butt section, 1 3/4" on the centersection, and from 1 3/4 to 2" on the tip sections. The signature wraps onthe butt section ( from the butt out) are red/gold/r/g/r then r/g/r/g/ragain seperated by a large red section with a few gold wraps in themiddle.I wasn't able to match the signature wraps in the Sinclair book. The only other marking on the rod is "Bean's - 110", painted on in cursivewith a yellow paint. Finally there are no glue lines where the hexsections join. The rod casts a 5-wt triangle taper beautifully. Matt Makowski from mcreek@sirus.com Sat Jan 4 18:33:25 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06559 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 18:33:23 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16002 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:32:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Dating a rod. I think Tom Ackerman still runs the LL Bean Fly-Fishing school. He's agreat guy and would certainly know who to ask if he doesn't know aboutthis rod. Call the toll free number and ask for him. Last time I wasin Freeport Bean had a couple of custom cane rods for sale by a rodmaker from further north in Maine (Rockport?). Nice work. Brian > from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Sat Jan 4 21:11:42 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09703 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:11:40 -0600 4 Jan 97 22:11 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id WAA52596 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 4 Jan1997 22:11:39 -0500 Subject: rod hardware Don, Thanks for the info. I'm familiar with the various alloyswhich are generally classified as nickel silver or germansilver and I have a lathe and some rolling and forgingequpiment. My question memains, however, are there anyinherent problems with using sterling or coin silver, thelatter of which can be easily heat-treated to a relatively hardstate. the problem with manufcturing my own nickel silvercomponents lies in the swaging and deep drawing of therequisite shapes. Building them out of wax, casting them andpolishing them would be a cinch by comparison. Dave from freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Sun Jan 5 08:14:19 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22557 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 08:14:17 -0600 Subject: hardware Does anyone know where I might find hardware without the woodenspacer.I'm looking for nickel silver butt cap and slide band. For example doesBellinger sell his hardware without the wood inserts? Or are there othersources for similarly elegant hardware? Wouldn't winter be infinitely more depressing without pressing issueslikethis? -- Mark M. Freed freedmar@pilot.msu.edu from jonrc@atlantic.net Sun Jan 5 09:50:42 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23847 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 09:50:40 -0600 berlin.atlantic.net (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA19029 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:16:14 -0500 Subject: Re: hardware Mark M Freed wrote: Does anyone know where I might find hardware without the woodenspacer.I'm looking for nickel silver butt cap and slide band. For example doesBellinger sell his hardware without the wood inserts? Or are thereothersources for similarly elegant hardware? Wouldn't winter be infinitely more depressing without pressing issueslikethis? -- Mark M. Freed freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Mark, Both Bellinger and Struble (as well as most others) do sell the hardwarewithout the wood insert. It seems that most retail places do not stockthem though. I'd check with Anglers workshop, if they can't help youcall the manufacture directly and ask them where you can buy them.-- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water. Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from WayneCatt@aol.com Sun Jan 5 10:42:39 1997 ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 10:42:38 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:42:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Morley Bros ??? The Morley Bros were a large midwest sportings goods wholesaler - mostlyguns - don't know who made their fly rods - perhaps Heddon????? from FFer4trout@aol.com Sun Jan 5 11:30:43 1997 ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:30:42 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 12:30:41 -0500 Subject: Re: hardware In a message dated 97-01-05 09:16:59 EST, you write: Subj: hardwareDate: 97-01-05 09:16:59 ESTFrom: freedmar@pilot.msu.edu (Mark M Freed)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Does anyone know where I might find hardware without the woodenspacer.I'm looking for nickel silver butt cap and slide band. For example doesBellinger sell his hardware without the wood inserts? Or are thereothersources for similarly elegant hardware? Wouldn't winter be infinitely more depressing without pressing issueslikethis? -- Mark M. Freed freedmar@pilot.msu.edu The '96 Clemens Catalog (p 37) has: Fly Reel Bands - NS w 11/16" ID @ $6.58 and also Machined Butt Plates 5/8" @ $7.10 or 7/8" @ $7.94 Hope this helps. Dale Clemens #'s -- (610) 395-5119 FAX 398-2580 Don Burns from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Sun Jan 5 14:11:03 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04512 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 14:11:02 -0600 5 Jan 97 15:11 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id PAA25930 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sun, 5 Jan1997 15:11:00 -0500 Subject: thanks Don, Thanks for the lead, I've recently requested a Clemens catalog,so when it come I'll give it a check. Dave from carte004@maroon.tc.umn.edu Sun Jan 5 20:15:12 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA13359 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 20:15:11 -0600 20:15:10 -0600 20:15:10 -0600 Subject: Re: hardware Mark M Freed wrote: Does anyone know where I might find hardware without the woodenspacer.I'm looking for nickel silver butt cap and slide band. For example doesBellinger sell his hardware without the wood inserts? Or are there othersources for similarly elegant hardware? Wouldn't winter be infinitely more depressing without pressing issueslikethis? Mark,I dealt with Anglers' Workshop (?) (the catalog outfit in Seattle) fairly extensively by phone and ended up with Bellinger's darkened silver butt cap and slide band for my last reel seat. They sold it for around $30 without the wood insert. Talk about winter depression: I spent several hours yesterday gettingsnow and ice off my roof here in St. Paul only to find a color spread in this morning's paper of some guy who spent yesterday fly-fishing on a stream less than 50 miles away. At least he only caught two. John Carter. from devino@inlink.com Sun Jan 5 21:42:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16218 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 21:41:59 -0600 thor.inlink.com (8.8.0/V8) with SMTP id VAA20912 for Subject: Re: Handyman Specials For Sale At 08:33 PM 12/30/96 -0600, you wrote: Rich, I missed the original post but would appreciate your list as well. Thanks. -Mark- from RckyMtKane@aol.com Mon Jan 6 00:57:31 1997 ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:57:30 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 01:57:30 -0500 Subject: Re: hardware MarkREC will sell you the n/s hardware with or without the inserts. At leasttheyused to, they would even sell it unbuffed if you wanted to do that yourself. Theyhavegone through some changes in the last two years so you need to give themacall and find out what's avaliable now. Good LuckJoe from rm5552@gumby.engsvc.hazeltine.com Mon Jan 6 08:56:30 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04711 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:56:28 -0600 (1.37.109.16/3.1.090690-Hazeltine Corporation) (4.1/SMI-4.1) Subject: Re: hardware Try the following catalog: CUSTOM TACKLE SUPPLY2559 Highway 41aSShelbyville, TN(615) 684-6164 They sell a nice nickle silver cap and ring seat made by Struble. I bought one recently and was very happy with the quality and the price(about $12). Bob MatarazzoMelville, NY from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Mon Jan 6 09:40:231997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07034 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:40:21 -0600 SMTP id AA20360(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Jan 199708:40:14 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: Demarest cane I spoke to Mr. Demarest on Sat. He is confident that bale quantitieswill be available some time in May. He imports 40 ft containers and thistakes some time to fill with the Chin. new years, etc. One of these cantake up to 200 bales! Just FYI. Dev Emch from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Mon Jan 6 09:48:541997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07421 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:48:53 -0600 SMTP id AA21032(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Jan 199708:48:52 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: Dating a rod. Does anyone know this rodmaker in Maine is? (Rockport?) from gord@teleport.com Mon Jan 6 13:52:49 1997 NAA22287 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:52:48 -0600 desiree.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26570 for with SMTP id LAA14447 for ; Mon, 6 Jan Subject: Tuxedo I've been trying to contact Tuxedo Cane for a long time now. All I'veachieved so far is leaving multiple messages on an answering machine. Sofar no response. The number I've been calling is (209) 464-6133. Does anyone know of analternate number for these folks? Thanks,Gordon from rfairfie@cisco.com Mon Jan 6 14:41:25 1997 MAA00542 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:41:20 - 0800 Subject: Re: Tuxedo Gordon, I can't help with Tuxedo, but I have another source that I locatedthrough the bamboo grower's list. The person's e-mail address is slvrmoon@ix.netcom.com I ordered culms from her last summer, and they were okay. I think they'llworkwell for light trout rods. You might want to give it a try if you can't findcane anywhere else locally. Thanks,Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Mon Jan 6 11:53:51 1997 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: Gordon Johnson Subject: TuxedoMime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gord@mail.teleport.comX-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16)X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent- Length: 288 I've been trying to contact Tuxedo Cane for a long time now. All I'veachieved so far is leaving multiple messages on an answering machine. Sofar no response. The number I've been calling is (209) 464-6133. Does anyone know of analternate number for these folks? Thanks,Gordon from RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Mon Jan 6 15:02:27 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25777 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:02:24 -0600 with BSMTP id 7957; Mon, 06 Jan 97 16:01:24 EST MAINE.MAINE.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with RFC822 id 8343; Mon, 6 Jan 199716:01:24 -0500Subject: culms supply this weekend I found culms in 4 and 8 ft lengthsat the Pier One Import store in Portland, ME. (Ithink this is a national chain). they are notgreat quality but some were ok. I got them simplyto practice flaming etc. prior to actually buildinga rod. They ranged in price from $1-2, but thosewith (drying) splits they agreed to discount to50 cents each, which is just perfect for our use.Culms ranged in dia to 1.5 in. I did'nt see anylarger at this store, but it may be worth checkingshould you have a store locally. B. from mcreek@sirus.com Mon Jan 6 17:02:39 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02705 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:02:37 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA05955 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:01:12 -0500 Subject: Maine rodbuilder Dev Emch, DAVE KLAUSMEYER - Old Route 1 - Box 59 - Stuben, Maine 04680is the only one listed under the Classic Angler Links. http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/canecoun/roddir.htm Brian > from khube@benmeadows.com Mon Jan 6 17:09:17 1997 RAA03017 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:09:16 -0600 18:09:14 -0500 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23508 for ; Subject: Re: culms supply this weekend I found culms in 4 and 8 ft lengthsat the Pier One Import store in Portland, ME. (Ithink this is a national chain). they are notgreat quality but some were ok. I got them simplyto practice flaming etc. prior to actually buildinga rod. They ranged in price from $1-2, but thosewith (drying) splits they agreed to discount to50 cents each, which is just perfect for our use.Culms ranged in dia to 1.5 in. I did'nt see anylarger at this store, but it may be worth checkingshould you have a store locally. B.================================================================================ I have had the same experience with Pier One and since my daughter is astore manager, she keeps a look out for good culms. The prices are alwaysreasonable and the supply is always changing. I recently glued up a newone-piece rod from cane bought this way and it looks very promising. Karl Hube from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Mon Jan 6 17:27:061997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03931 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:27:03 -0600 SMTP id AA28188(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Jan 199716:27:00 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: culms supply This Pier 1 Import stuff looks good.....but how well this cane performsis in question. For practice, it seems like a good idea to try yournew skills on; however, I will need to run some engineering tests on thisstuff before I can say ya or na. Dev Emch from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Mon Jan 6 17:55:27 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04979 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:55:26 -0600 QAA04725; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:55:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Tuxedo Gordon, I placed an order for cane with Tuxedo around November 1st. Istill do not have any cane and have left several messages both on ananswer phone and with a live person. None of the calls have been returnedand I have no idea when or if the cane is going to be shipped. Today Iplaced an order with Demerest, it appears they still may be the mostdependable source for cane. Sorry I can't be of more help. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado Gordon, I can't help with Tuxedo, but I have another source that I locatedthrough the bamboo grower's list. The person's e-mail address is slvrmoon@ix.netcom.com I ordered culms from her last summer, and they were okay. I think they'llworkwell for light trout rods. You might want to give it a try if you can't findcane anywhere else locally. Thanks,Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Mon Jan 6 11:53:51 1997 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: Gordon Johnson Subject: TuxedoMime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gord@mail.teleport.comX-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16)X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent- Length: 288 I've been trying to contact Tuxedo Cane for a long time now. All I'veachieved so far is leaving multiple messages on an answering machine. Sofar no response. The number I've been calling is (209) 464-6133. Does anyone know ofanalternate number for these folks? Thanks,Gordon from johnnatk@juno.com Mon Jan 6 22:09:23 1997 ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 22:09:21 -0600 Subject: Re: culms supply I also found some cane at each of the Pier 1locations in the Cleveland,OH area. Some stores had better material than others. It has somegraffiti marks but other than that it was great for a few "sacrificialculms" to practice some splitting on. For $2.00 each you can't beat it.But is it tonkin? from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Tue Jan 7 09:56:251997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09664 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:56:24 -0600 SMTP id AA12356(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Jan 199708:56:21 -0700 4.1) Subject: More Tools As we all know, the Japanese have an excellent tradition in precisewoodworking which includes bamboo! Now, their tools are making itinto high end tool sources such as Garrete Wade.I have heard about a splitting tool used only to split bamboo. Itis called a Bamboo Frue. I think it may be similar to a normal woodfrue, but I do not know. Has anyone come accross such an animal and a source for such an animal!!!! Dev Emch from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Tue Jan 7 10:18:11 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10975 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:18:09 -0600 SVR4) (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA017633723; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:15:23 -0800 Organization: r-5113 Subject: bamboo tools Hida Tool & Hardware Co (1-800-443-5512) has not only a very goodbamboo froe,I have one and it works like a charm, but also a star or pie cutter shaped bamboo splitter that comes in many sizes. The one that I got looks like a heavy sharpened steel pie cutter and has six cutting edges so as you push it through a culm it splits it into six equal(?) segments- I haven't tried it yet but it is my understanding that George Mauer(? spelling) uses one. They very in the number of different number of cutting edges--4,6,8,12,--I bought the 6 bladed one and it looks like its just the ticket for splitting a culm into six segments. I saw a video of the leonard shop and they use something very similar to this that they made that has 12 blades and split the culm into equal parts in one opperation--the one from hida looks like a pie cutter with two handles sticking out from the sides,they have them in their garden catologue. they also have a great selection of japenese water stone, both man made and natural, and othe japenese tools. Their english is poor so have patience when dealing with them. Service was excellent and speedy, they are located in berkly california. Patrick from rm5552@gumby.engsvc.hazeltine.com Tue Jan 7 10:23:39 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11354 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:23:37 -0600 (1.37.109.16/3.1.090690-Hazeltine Corporation) (4.1/SMI-4.1) Subject: Re: More Tools It's called a Bamboo Froe and it's available from the Japan Woodworkercatalog. I don't have the address or phone number with me but if no oneelse can provide it, I'll send it to you tomorrow. Bob Matarazzo from rfairfie@cisco.com Tue Jan 7 10:39:42 1997 Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:39:41 -0600 IAA08008; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:39:38 -0800 Subject: Re: More Tools The Japanese Woodworker, 1-800-537-7820, carries a bamboo frue at$21.95.The part number is #9.812.5. The company is located in Alameda, Ca, andhavea lot of goodies for the precision woodworker. Have fun.RogerPS they can also be found by following the link from the rodmaker's homepageon the 'net. from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Tue Jan 7 08:03:29 1997Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 08:56:12 MST Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: emchd%MrData- sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com (Dev Emch) Subject: More ToolsX-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 433 As we all know, the Japanese have an excellent tradition in precisewoodworking which includes bamboo! Now, their tools are making itinto high end tool sources such as Garrete Wade. I have heard about a splitting tool used only to split bamboo. Itis called a Bamboo Frue. I think it may be similar to a normal woodfrue, but I do not know. Has anyone come accross such an animal and a source for such ananimal!!!! Dev Emch from mstevens@ptdprolog.net Tue Jan 7 11:48:55 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18010 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:48:53 -0600 Subject: List of projects Hello, If you would like a list of fishable and project rods for sale, send meyour email address off list and I will email you my list of rods. Thanks Mike Michael StevensRR 1 Box 307CEffort PA 18330 610 681 5670 mstevens@ptdprolog.net Collector of Heddon and Granger Flyrods from maiello@yorku.ca Tue Jan 7 12:20:27 1997 ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:20:25 -0600 (8.8.4/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA08199 for ; doing -bs Subject: Ferrules Hi there.I built a rod last year. It was a 7' 2 pc rod. The ferrules I used werethe truncated NS from CSE. I picked up the rod the other day, and noticedthat the ferrules have begun to knock a bit. Has anyone else had thisexperience with the truncated ferrules? I don't think I'll be using them any more.What do you guys think?Mauro. from rklmeb@tiac.net Tue Jan 7 12:42:45 1997 ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:42:44 -0600 maildeliver0.tiac.net (8.8.0/8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28343 for zork.tiac.net (8.8.2/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id NAA12732 for Subject: Re: List of projects Michael,I probably have your latest list, but please send along what you have. I'malways interested. Thanks! Richard Lodgerklmeb@tiac.net Hello, If you would like a list of fishable and project rods for sale, send meyour email address off list and I will email you my list of rods. Thanks Mike Michael StevensRR 1 Box 307CEffort PA 18330 610 681 5670 mstevens@ptdprolog.net Collector of Heddon and Granger Flyrods from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Tue Jan 7 16:02:541997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02819 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:02:53 -0600 SMTP id AA09388(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Jan 199715:02:51 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools Woooooow! Woooooow! I called up HIDA and The Japanese Woodworker Store. Both were great,butHIDA took a little bit more effort...I am japanese challenged you know.:)But they were great. As a woodworking fan, I cannot wait to get into this stuff...Over 80 pagesof tools, etc. These two sources need to be mentioned on the web sites! Thanks Pat! You spoke of a lenord video. What video do you mean? Can we get it? Does anyone know of any good videos out there which are worth the costand time_to_view? Dev Emch from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Tue Jan 7 16:20:32 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03675 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:20:30 -0600 SVR4) (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA248265464; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:17:44 -0800 Organization: r-5113 Subject: leonard video There is a fly fishing show on the fox network and they were in montana fly fishing a private stream and went over to the factory and taped them making a bamboo fly rod (abreviated) from start to finish. The splitter they used split the culm into 12 equal sections then they used a beveler followed by a block plane and scraper not scraper plane but a scraper. After glueing up they let their rods hang in a cabinet for over a year before they finish them. They had a shop made machine(hand cranked I think) for wrapping the silk on the guides. I told you their english leaves a lot to desire but the bamboo froe I got from was a excellent tool about 12" long and unhandled but split my culms just like butter including the diaphrams. Patrick from tpaulsen@ecity.net Tue Jan 7 20:05:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12872 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:04:58 -0600 (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14590 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:03:09 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools Would you have the mailing address for this company. At 08:15 AM 1/7/97 -0800, you wrote:Hida Tool & Hardware Co (1-800-443- 5512) has not only a very goodbamboo froe,I have one and it works like a charm, but also a star or pie cutter shaped bamboo splitter that comes in many sizes. The one that I got looks like a heavy sharpened steel pie cutter and has six cutting edges so as you push it through a culm it splits it into six equal(?) segments- I haven't tried it yet but it is my understanding that George Mauer(? spelling) uses one. They very in the number of different number of cutting edges--4,6,8,12,--I bought the 6 bladed one and it looks like its just the ticket for splitting a culm into six segments. I saw a video of the leonard shop and they use something very similar to this that they made that has 12 blades and split the culm into equal parts in one opperation--the one from hida looks like a pie cutter with two handles sticking out from the sides,they have them in their garden catologue. they also have a great selection of japenese water stone, both man made and natural, and othe japenese tools. Their english is poor so have patience when dealing with them. Service was excellent and speedy, they are located in berkly california. Patrick from tpaulsen@ecity.net Tue Jan 7 20:13:19 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13286 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:13:17 -0600 (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14746 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:11:31 -0600 Subject: Re: leonard video I would be interested in knowing the name of the program, and whatsegmentit was. It would be nice to have a copy. At 02:17 PM 1/7/97 -0800, you wrote:There is a fly fishing show on the fox network and they were in montana fly fishing a private stream and went over to the factory and taped them making a bamboo fly rod (abreviated) from start to finish. The splitter they used split the culm into 12 equal sections then they used a beveler followed by a block plane and scraper not scraper plane but a scraper. After glueing up they let their rods hang in a cabinet for over a year before they finish them. They had a shop made machine(hand cranked I think) for wrapping the silk on the guides. I told you their english leaves a lot to desire but the bamboo froe I got from was a excellent tool about 12" long and unhandled but split my culms just like butter including the diaphrams. Patrick from burgould@mint.net Tue Jan 7 20:15:20 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13352 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:15:19 -0600 mint.mint.net (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA05883 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:15:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Dating a rod. At 08:48 AM 1/6/97 MST, you wrote:Does anyone know this rodmaker in Maine is? (Rockport?) Tim Marchetti (sp?) makes rods for Beans. He is from Camden. Hope thisishelpful. from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Tue Jan 7 20:26:59 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13892 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:26:55 -0600 Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:26:36 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: bamboo tools just yesterday at an "old time" show. The one I used was the "industrial sized" one but the principal is excellent. You need quite a bit of gusto when using it, but works. I think if I wasn't so happy with the nodeless method, I'd have one made up for splitting splines. Tony On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Patrick W. Coffey wrote: Hida Tool & Hardware Co (1-800-443-5512) has not only a very goodbamboofroe,I have one and it works like a charm, but also a star or piecutter shaped bamboo splitter that comes in many sizes. The one that I got looks like a heavy sharpened steel pie cutter and has six cuttingedges so as you push it through a culm it splits it into six equal(?)segments- I haven't tried it yet but it is my understanding that GeorgeMauer(? spelling) uses one. They very in the number of different numberof cutting edges--4,6,8,12,--I bought the 6 bladed one and it looks likeits just the ticket for splitting a culm into six segments. I saw a videoof the leonard shop and they use something very similar to this that theymade that has 12 blades and split the culm into equal parts in one opperation--the one from hida looks like a pie cutter with two handlessticking out from the sides,they have them in their garden catologue.they also have a great selection of japenese water stone, both man madeand natural, and othe japenese tools. Their english is poor so have patience when dealing with them. Service was excellent and speedy, theyare located in berkly california.Patrick /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from JCZIMNY@dol.net Tue Jan 7 21:14:13 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16106 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:14:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrules Mauro Aiello wrote: Hi there.I built a rod last year. It was a 7' 2 pc rod. The ferrules I used werethe truncated NS from CSE. I picked up the rod the other day, and noticedthat the ferrules have begun to knock a bit. Has anyone else had thisexperience with the truncated ferrules? I don't think I'll be using them any more.What do you guys think?Mauro. Mauro, Hi What exactley do you do to get them to knock?John from plipton@sunvalley.net Tue Jan 7 21:57:33 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17635 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:57:32 -0600 (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11203) with SMTP id AAA316 Organization: Sun Valley Rods Subject: Re: bamboo tools The pie shaped bamboo splitter is a handy tool. I have a six section onethat works well. If it hangs up on a dam, I carfully tap the handleswith a mallet to help break through without knocking the metal ring intothe sides so it marks the enamel. You might also think about a sevensided splitter. When you put the check split in a culm, it tends towiden over time. Some culms open up so much that the split on a sixsider will be off but a seven sider would space correctly.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Philip Lipton PO Box 1003, Sun Valley, ID 83353208-726-9559, 208-622-8585 Fax 208-726- 0191~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from mstevens@ptdprolog.net Tue Jan 7 23:02:14 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA19642 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:02:13 -0600 0000 Subject: Re: List of projects January list of rods and projects for the Winter I wish to buy good Heddons and Heddon made rods for my collection. 1. Heddon Model 10 "Blue Waters" 9' 2 1/2F 3/1 original bag and tube/nocap. Straight Heddon markings with "Blue Waters" name on shaft. S/LWhitemarbelized reelseat. This rod is in excellent condition under some softvarnish. It has some fuzz stuck on it in places. All wraps look good andreel seat and grip are very nice.#96063...$100 2. Heddon Model 10 9' 2 1/2F 3/2 original bag and tube. Spiral "Heddon"marking on shaft, earlier rod than above. Original varnish and wraps with athin overcoat. Excellent condition ready to fish. S/L White marbelizedreelseat.#96060...$175 3. Kingfisher #104 made by Heddon 9' 3/2 2 1/2F original bag and tube.S/L Grey marbelized reelseat. This rod probably sold by E.K. Tryon Co. Ormaybe Max Cook Sporting Goods. It is basically a Model 10 with differentname. If you are collecting Heddon made rods with different brand names,asI am, this is a good one to get. Rod is in excellent condition with acouple of rewraps badly done.#96062...$185 4. Heddon Model 17 "Black Beauty" 8 1/2' 2F 3/2 bag and tube. Earlierrod marked only #17 and spiral "Heddon". Excellent condition with blue onferrules fading a little. One tip may be a Heddon replacement as wraps arenot perfectly mirrored. Hand welted ferrules.#96015...$275 5. Heddon Model 13 8 1/2' 1 3/4F 3/2 original bag and tube. All originalbut varnish showing signs of age. Might be polished but fishable as is.This ferrule size (Heddons light trout) is popular as it casts a #5 line sowell. Hard to find size in a fairly scarce model. S/L green marbelizedseat. The grip could use some refilling of original defects inspots.#96061...$275 6. Bristol F7 by Edwards 9' 3/2 non original bag and aluminum tube. Onetip is 1/2" short. This rod has been restored( by Rich Margiotta) with newred silk and a very nice varnish job. Serrated NS ferrules with rolledwelt. Feels like it would work well with a 6 wt. Screw D/L with walnutspacer, good cork. Unused since restoration......$150 7. W&M Granger Victory 8 1/2' butt and mid sections. Badly bent seat butcane,cork, and ferrules very good condition. Maybe you need some of theseparts.#96013.........$50 8. Goodwin Granger Victory 8 1/2' butt section. Good seat and andferrule.Varnish checked.The Granger reel seat should be worth more than this.#96012........$40 9. Weber "J.H. Henshall Handkraft" No. 2500, 9' 3/2 2 1/2F This isWeber's second highest grade rod and made by Heddon. Wrapped inPongee(tan)tipped in brown. Varnish is very good. The problem is the ferrules, somonegot them stuck and used PLIERS to unstick. Butt female has a removabledent. Priced at $27.50 in 1942 Catalog this rod is worth restoring.Original tube with replacement bag. #96058.......$95 10. Wright & McGill Granger "Aristocrat" 8'6" 3/2 #5, mid and tipsrefinished? NS hookeeper added at grip winding ,original bag and tube.small splinter out of second heavier tip may need repair, although BobSummers said it would probably pose no problem. A very nice rod.#96024......$325 11. Wright & McGill Granger Champion 9' 3/2 original bag in a fibertube, mid female ferrule and guide rewrapped in old Granger red silk.Varnish original. This W&M model was made only in 1946 and has thestandardNS uplock patented reelseat. Exc. condition. #96029.....$275 12. South Bend 290 7 1/2' 2/2 HDH or E no bag or tube. Excellent varnishwith a couple of minor chips. Orange and black varigated wraps with a fewalittle dry. Comficient grip with screw uplocking seat. This is a very niceshort rod for a 5 wt.#97001.....$225 13. South Bend 59 9ft. 3/2, bag and tube no cap, exc.condition, oneguide broken, comficient label still on grip, very pretty flamed cane, somewraps a little dry, rod varnish is beautiful.#96001......$85 I will give a great deal on the group of rods below as a package.****************************************** 14. South Bend 359 9ft. 3/1 exc. Varnish, Mid is 2 inches short at topand has home made ferrule needing replacement, comficient grip, no labelingroove, few chips from cork at front, fine markings with perfect SouthBendlabel on shaft-nice dark flamed cane.#96004.....$25 15. Japanese 8ft. 2/1 tip is 4 inches short, Thunderbird Tonkin Canelabel, ferrules slighty corroded, casts nice with #5, needs a tip guide,Good cork, screw down lock metal seat.#96006.....$20 16. Montague Sunbeam 8 1/2ft. 3/1 full length, metal d/l seat, goodcork soiled, one guide has wire wrap repair, revarnished over thetop.#96007.....$40 17. Montague Sunbeam 9 1/2ft. 3/2, butt is 1/2 inch short ferrule hasbeenslightly shortened, mid & both tips full lenght, one tip has a one stripsplinter easily repaired, metal d/l seat-soiled cork, a coat of varnish hasbeen applied.#96008.....$40 18. South Bend butt section 8 1/2ft., poor cork and seat, good ferrule,sound cane.#96010.....$5 19. Shakespeare 1300 9ft. 3/1 5wt. nickle silver slide band seat withmodel,name and patent markings on band, swelled butt(probably Heddonmade),cork grip soiled, alligatored varnish, one guide on mid is missing andstripper (it was a snake) is off but I have it, the mid and tip would makea really nice short rod for a 4wt. #96016.....$70 20. Union Hardware Company 8 1/2ft. 3/1, good varnish, some wraps alittle dry, tan bakelite screw lock seat, wrapped in yellow, goodcork.#96018.....$40 21. Horrocks & Ibbotson "Saranac" 8 1/2' 3/1, mid was broken cleanly atferrule and refitted but not glued, original bag and tube no cap. Verygood condition but couple wraps need work. Swelled butt and betterqualityferrules.#96026.....$45 Miscellaneous 22. Arthur Allen Ltd. Glasgow Scotland 1930's catalog with many pagesofSalmon and trout rods and Hardy reels plus other necessary tackle. Alsosome guns in back. Not sure of the date but an English tackle dealer toldme about 1935. Still lists greenheart rods and horse hair lines. Also hassome very early spinning tackle. Hard to find in this country.....$45 23. Fly Fishing catalogs from the 70's. 4 Catalogs: 1974 Kaufman'sStreamborn Flies, 2nd Edition, 36 pages. Dick Surette Fly Fishing Shop,catalog no. 1 March 1 1974, 32 pages. Fireside Angler, Inc. 1976, 65 pages.Rod and Reel. Leola, Penn. Quality Fly Tying Materials, 1976. The groupfor...... $20 Three day inspection period on rods and reels. Shipping & Handling is $8 If you don't wish to recieve these lists in the future please let me know. Michael StevensRR 1 Box 307CEffort PA 18330 610 681 5670 mstevens@ptdprolog.net Collector of Heddon and Granger Flyrods from mstevens@ptdprolog.net Tue Jan 7 23:25:57 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20311 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:25:55 -0600 0000 Subject: Sorry Hello, I mistakenly posted my list by replying to a message asking for same anddidn't notice where it came from. Sorry for the unwanted message. Mike Michael StevensRR 1 Box 307CEffort PA 18330 610 681 5670 mstevens@ptdprolog.net Collector of Heddon and Granger Flyrods from RHeller@swri.edu Wed Jan 8 08:40:21 1997 Subject: re: Re: bamboo tools I also talked to folks at Hida Tool yesterday. The flurry of phone callswas probably a mystery to them. They have two catalogs: woodworking toolsand garden tools. The froe and splitter are in the garden catalog -- or so I was told. To receive both catalogs they want $6. Hida Tool and Hardware Company1333 San Pablo AvenueBerkley CA 94702 -.Robert.- from rbrown@infocom.net Wed Jan 8 08:43:19 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07565 for ;Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:43:17 -0600 login1.infocom.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA02272 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:45:55 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? Does anyone know the Phone # and/or e-mail address for Bob Marriotts? If so please provide. Thanks Rob from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 809:32:51 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10690 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:32:50 -0600 SMTP id AA28282(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199708:32:48 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools Just use the 1-800 number to ask for a catalog.... from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 809:34:36 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10738 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:34:35 -0600 SMTP id AA28385(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199708:34:33 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: leonard video Yes it would be very nice to have a copy....but how do go aboutgetting a copy from the Fox network. Has anyone recorded this whenit was first shown? from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 809:37:41 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10926 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:37:40 -0600 SMTP id AA28618(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199708:37:38 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: leonard video Yes it would be very nice to get this video. But how....hummmmm.Has anyone recorded it when it was first shown? If so, is possible(legally and technically) to copy it for personal use? from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 809:40:43 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11152 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:40:42 -0600 SMTP id AA28848(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199708:40:41 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools Tony...What exactly is the nodeless method? I figured this had to do withoffseting the splines to insure that the stress risers from the damsdid not concentrate in one regsion. from ballard@zen.wes.army.mil Wed Jan 8 09:50:12 1997 ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:50:10 -0600 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) Subject: Re: bamboo tools In the flurry of calls to Hida Tool, did anyone get an approximate cost ofthe splitters? I'd hate to waste $6 to find that they were overpriced. -Jerryballard@zen.wes.army.mil from FFer4trout@aol.com Wed Jan 8 10:19:50 1997 ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:19:48 -0600 Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? In a message dated 97-01-08 10:05:18 EST, you write: Subj: Re: 97 Catalogs?Date: 97-01-08 10:05:18 ESTFrom: rbrown@infocom.net (Robbie Brown)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Does anyone know the Phone # and/or e-mail address for Bob Marriotts? If so please provide. Thanks Rob Rob: The 97 catalog's not out yet, I think. Bob Marriott's Flyfishing Store2700 West Orangethorpe Ave.Fullerton, CA 92633(714) 525-1827 Orders (800) 535-6633Fax (800) 367-2299Web site: http://www.bobmarriotts.comEmail: bmfsinfo@bobmarriotts.com Don Burns from oborge@aiss.uic.edu Wed Jan 8 10:23:33 1997 KAA14539 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:23:32 -0600 Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) 10:24:33 -0600 Subject: RE: bamboo tools 4.0.994.63Encoding: 22 TEXT Rodmakers,The 12 strip spline cutter is $110.00 the 6 strip is aprox.@$45.00.I ordered the 12 strip. I will update all on my struggle to use it.I think the video people are talking about is from Winston. It shows asimilar12 spline cutter. The video can be ordered from Winston for I think$20.00.I have a copy........It is beautiful but not particularly technical. ----------From: ballard@zen.wes.army.mil[SMTP:ballard@zen.wes.army.mil]Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 1997 9:43 AM Subject: Re: bamboo tools In the flurry of calls to Hida Tool, did anyone get an approximate cost ofthe splitters? I'd hate to waste $6 to find that they were overpriced. -Jerryballard@zen.wes.army.mil from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 810:31:16 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15102 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:31:14 -0600 SMTP id AA03361(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199709:31:12 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools A typical tool of this type will range from a low of 10 dollars to a high of50 dollars.It really depends on the tool. A good froe is about 49 dollars. Since thesplittersare listed in garden catalogs, one would think that they are used to maketomatoesticks from bamboo..(I know, some of our first rods can be used for this...)so thecost should be in the 20 range. I may be really off here...but the risk is worthwhile. Many feel that thesplitting is oneof the really difficult aspects here. Something about Phyles "The risk ofworkmanship" book.If a good tool improves this by one or two orders of magnitude, wouldn'tthat be worthwhile! Dev Emch from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 810:36:45 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15382 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:36:44 -0600 SMTP id AA03625(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199709:36:38 -0700 4.1) Subject: WOW! Really Off Here. Holy Cow...I was really off on those HIDA prices. I think its timeto put the girlfriend on a strict budget...iei.e. I really want that splitter :) Sorry Ladies. from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 812:52:22 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26571 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:52:20 -0600 SMTP id AA14405(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199711:52:17 -0700 4.1) Subject: More Tool Time Stuff.... It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Wed Jan 8 13:52:21 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00548 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:52:19 -0600 (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA118703135; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:52:15 -0800 Subject: Heddon Book Has anyone bought the new Michael Sinclair book "Heddon: The Rods withthe Fighting Heart" yet? Is it available now? Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from rfairfie@cisco.com Wed Jan 8 15:21:26 1997 NAA07265 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:21:18 - 0800 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... I'm using an inexpensive ski glove from Costco with a leather palm. Seems tobe okay. roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Wed Jan 8 11:45:35 1997Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 11:52:09 MST Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: emchd%MrData- sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com (Dev Emch) Subject: More Tool Time Stuff....X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 435 It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch from BamboRods@aol.com Wed Jan 8 15:45:55 1997 ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:45:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrules Maurio, I think it may be your glue rather than the ferrule. Have you checked that? Jon Parker from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 816:16:07 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11463 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:16:05 -0600 SMTP id AA28587(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199715:16:02 -0700 4.1) Subject: Cork Does anyone know an excellent source for cork! I wantthe really top grade stuff in those big bags. Need towork on a few rod handles. Also, who is the best source for wraping silk incool colors. from maiello@yorku.ca Wed Jan 8 16:41:14 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13308 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:41:11 -0600 (8.8.4/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA05333 for ; doing -bs Subject: Re: Ferrules You hit the nail on the head.It was the glue. I reglued last night and this morning they were justfine. What experience have you had with this?What glues do you recomend.Thanks.Mauro. On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 BamboRods@aol.com wrote: Maurio, I think it may be your glue rather than the ferrule. Have you checkedthat? Jon Parker from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Wed Jan 8 16:52:42 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14260 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:52:41 -0600 QAA20605 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:52:39 - Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... I'm just a beginner and my experience is limited, but FWIW...I started with a cleap leather baseball batting glove. The firsttime I planed I slipped and the cane cut thru the leather palm into the ball of my thumb a little. I learned to be more careful. Now I use a cleap fish cleaning glove (some fabric woven over strandsof stainless steel). Only cost about $8 at K-Mart. But the most important lesson is be careful. And keep the plane sharp so itit doesn't grab the cane and slide it down the form under your otherhand.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@csd.uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Dev Emch wrote: It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch from FFer4trout@aol.com Wed Jan 8 16:55:50 1997 ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:55:48 -0600 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... In a message dated 97-01-08 14:46:28 EST, you write: Subj: More Tool Time Stuff....Date: 97-01-08 14:46:28 ESTFrom: emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com (Dev Emch)Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch I wonder how a fish filleting glove would work? Don B. from rfairfie@cisco.com Wed Jan 8 17:14:33 1997 PAA12759 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:14:31 - 0800 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... Frank's right--you gotta be careful. I have found that a spring clamp willhold the strip in the form so that I don't have to worry about the planepulling the strip out of my hand. It has really helped me. my $0.02 worth... Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Wed Jan 8 14:58:29 1997 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: Frank Stetzer Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff....MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 1389 I'm just a beginner and my experience is limited, but FWIW...I started with a cleap leather baseball batting glove. The firsttime I planed I slipped and the cane cut thru the leather palm into the ball of my thumb a little. I learned to be more careful. Now I use a cleap fish cleaning glove (some fabric woven over strandsof stainless steel). Only cost about $8 at K-Mart. But the most important lesson is be careful. And keep the plane sharp so itit doesn't grab the cane and slide it down the form under your otherhand.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@csd.uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Dev Emch wrote: It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch from mcreek@sirus.com Wed Jan 8 18:40:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19789 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:39:58 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03422 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:38:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Heddon Book Call Dick Spurr at centennial Classic Sales at 970/243-8780 -or- e-mail him at spurr@kingfisher.com. Winter issue of his collectible tackle catalogue said it would be out inearly '97. Brian > You might be a Yankee if. . . (#16) You would rather have your sonbecome a lawyer than grow up to get his own TV fishing show! from FFer4trout@aol.com Wed Jan 8 18:58:14 1997 ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:58:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Heddon Book In a message dated 97-01-08 15:21:20 EST, you write: Subj: Heddon BookDate: 97-01-08 15:21:20 ESTFrom: mcdowellc@lanecc.edu (CHRISTOPHER C MCDOWELL)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Has anyone bought the new Michael Sinclair book "Heddon: The Rods withthe Fighting Heart" yet? Is it available now? Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu Mac, The last I heard, it was due out at the end of Feb. Don B. from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 819:14:45 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20911 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:14:44 -0600 SMTP id AA10792(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199718:14:42 -0700 4.1) Subject: HART Reals Hi ya'll I am trying to locate a fly reel. I think thename of the company was HART. THey were in Holland until they went out of business. The real has a name like "Rio Diablo" or someother Rio spanish name. It has a brasstriangle as a back plate and a spool caage make(sp) made of steel. Its drag is located withinthe spool and uses a sealed one way bearing. Noexternal drags. If anyone knows where I may find such a reel, letme know. This company used to import throughNew Mexico. They went out of business about2 years ago, so its kind of recent. Thanks from wishbone@headwaters.com Wed Jan 8 19:19:49 1997 TAA21028 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:19:47 -0600 (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA6423 0500 (5.65/1.1.8.2/12Aug95-1259PM) Comments: Authenticated sender is Subject: Unsubscribe...How? Priority: normal I must unfortunately unsubscribe to the list at this time, as certain obligations will take up quite a bit of my time. Would someone be so kind as to remind me how to unscribe to the list, or at least suspend receipt of mail? Thanks.Ian ScottWishbone Custom Rods2 Henry St., RR #1Grand Valley, Ontario519-928-2906 wishbone@headwaters.comhttp://credit.headwaters.com/wishbone ********************************************************************************************* "The butterfly counts not months but moments,and has time enough." Rabindranath TagoreFireflies, 1928 from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Wed Jan 8 19:32:43 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21602 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:32:36 -0600 Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:32:26 +0800 (WST) Subject: RE: bamboo tools I'd suggest shock tactics rather than pure force :-). Tony Rodmakers,The 12 strip spline cutter is $110.00 the 6 strip is aprox.@$45.00.I ordered the 12 strip. I will update all on my struggle to use it. In the flurry of calls to Hida Tool, did anyone get an approximate cost ofthe splitters? I'd hate to waste $6 to find that they were overpriced. -Jerryballard@zen.wes.army.mil /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from olfart@atlanta.com Wed Jan 8 20:59:05 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24748 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:59:03 -0600 Subject: Re: HART Reals Dev Emch wrote: Hi ya'll I am trying to locate a fly reel. I think thename of the company was HART. I believe that Ari Hart's company is still around. I'm fairly certainthat they or their representatives were at the 1996 tackle dealers showin Denver. I'll check the participants list at my office tomorrow andlet you know. Dave-- Visit Dave Teffeteller's Fly Fishing Guides Home Pagehttp://www.olfart.com from jsbond@inforamp.net Wed Jan 8 21:09:06 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25138 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:09:04 -0600 WAA12655 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 22:09:01 Subject: Canadian Rodmakers Greetings, I just noticed that Lee Valley has added Hock blades to their catalog, theyare around$ 32 CDN. JBJames Bond, Toronto, Canada Fax (416) 444-8380E-Mail jsbond@inforamp.net from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Wed Jan 8 21:58:51 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27538 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:58:46 -0600 Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:58:39 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: bamboo tools Nodeless construction is where you cut the nodes out of the culm before splitting the strips. The strips are then heat treated and scarfed to full size splines which are then planed to size.Bruce Connor explained it all to me and his FAQ has a few good items on this and is well worth looking at.Originaly I only intened making one rod this way, but now don't see any reason not to continue with it. Tony On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Dev Emch wrote: Tony...What exactly is the nodeless method? I figured this had to do withoffseting the splines to insure that the stress risers from the damsdid not concentrate in one regsion. /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from thezig@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 01:24:28 1997 dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA26809 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 23:24:25 -0800 Organization: Redeye Productions Subject: Re: HART Reals Dev Emch wrote: Hi ya'll I am trying to locate a fly reel. I think thename of the company was HART. THey were inHolland until they went out of business. The real has a name like "Rio Diablo" or someother Rio spanish name. It has a brasstriangle as a back plate and a spool caage make(sp) made of steel. Its drag is located withinthe spool and uses a sealed one way bearing. Noexternal drags. If anyone knows where I may find such a reel, letme know. This company used to import throughNew Mexico. They went out of business about2 years ago, so its kind of recent. ThanksCall Jim Williams at "Just Reels" in Big Bend, Wisconsin. He's a goodsource. Don't have the number handy but he advertises in every FF magJim from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Thu Jan 9 09:25:531997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19698 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:25:52 -0600 SMTP id AA16663(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Jan 199708:25:48 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools You mean to say that each "dam" is cut cout leaving you with lots of smaller bamboo tubes. Each of these is thensplit into sections. Then the sections, oh about a 1 to 1.5feet long are then glued using a "scarf" joint. These newscarfed sections are then planed and then six of thesehybrids are glued to form the usual hex section. Do I have thiscorrect? Does the stress loading cause problems with all these scarfjoints lying around here? Afterall, the power fibers havebeen severed. Dev from Fallcreek9@aol.com Thu Jan 9 09:57:31 1997 ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:57:29 -0600 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... Dev: Have used regular leather, gauntlet style work gloves for spliting,etc. with quite satisfactory results. For planing, cotton gardening gloveswith gripping surfaces covered with tiny rubber dots work great. They areinexpensive, last a long time, and are found at discount type stores.Regards,Richard Tyree from rmoon@dns.ida.net Thu Jan 9 10:06:58 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22975 for ;Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:06:57 -0600 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... At 11:52 AM 1/8/97 MST, you wrote: It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch Try keepint your tools very sharp and use latex loves if you must. That isdall I have used for years and I am only very rarely cut. When I am it isbecause by blades are dull and I am forcing the cut. from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Thu Jan 9 14:22:27 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10968 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:22:26 -0600 9 Jan 97 15:22 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id PAA38284 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 9 Jan1997 15:22:22 -0500 Subject: N/S Retainer and Ring I just received a Struble nickel sliver end cap and ring fromCuston Tackel and Supply and I'm very pleased. Simple, nicelymade, affordable ($11.98 + ship. and hand., tot. 15.98) Havingnot seen these in the other catalogs I have I figured someoneelse might want to know about them. Thanks for the advise (I forget who suggested them). Dave from whensel@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 15:39:56 1997 ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:39:38 -0800 Subject: Colorado Bootstrap, Inc. FORMS ARRIVED TO beginners such as me: I throught at 44 waiting for toys got easier. It does not. The U.P.S. man knocked on my door a few minutes ago with the metal Planing forms made by Colorado Bootstrap, Inc.. When I laid eyes on them, I damn near had a mental orgasim. They came in a heavy thick PVC tube that will serve as a carying case forever. I placed the best straight edge I could find on them and all I could see is DARKNESS. One time in my life I didnt want to see the light. I then threw a depth gage on top of them and made a few adjustments just to" cop a feel" so to speak. Man it felt good. When I felt the weight of the forms in my hands, I realised that I was touching the main "Frame Of reference" I had been in search of since I had began of this journey in November 96. I throught to myself " if these forms don't give me the edge to navagate in this sea of Bamboo rod making then nothing will. It must have felt like that to a gun fighter of the Old West when he strapped on a Colt 44 for the first time. He had to have had a sense that he was holding on to the "equalizer". A wave of confidence moved from my hands up my arms into my chest and throw my entire body. I know it sounds weird but it did happen just that way. I want to persanlly thank Frank Armbruster for stepping into this small corner of the Fly Fishing world. He has made a ripple in the large sea of humanity that will create harmonic upon harmonic and thus put a smile on many a rodmakers face around the world even after he has moved on to another level of .....existance. Now and then a man comes along and makes a difference.....when you see it...you just knod your head and smile. You bet I am smiling and I say happy flying Frank, Bill Hensel- Englewood, Colorado from lsgorney@rs01.kings.edu Thu Jan 9 16:37:29 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19458 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:37:25 -0600 8.7/8.7) id RAA29996 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 Subject: Re: N/S Retainer and Ring Custom Tackle & Supply has some very nice and reasonably priced productsforthe rod builder (almost said custom rod builder). I've dealt with theguys from Shelbyville TN for a while and have always been pleased withtheirservice.Len Gorney lsgorney@rs01.kings.eduhttp://www.kings.edu/~lsgorney/index.htm from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Thu Jan 9 16:59:351997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21225 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:59:33 -0600 SMTP id AA21307(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Jan 199715:59:31 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap, Inc. FORMS ARRIVED I have heard that this form is difficult to use. Hard to adjust.I also left e-mail for this form and have not heard anything back. The reference to another "existance" bothers me....did something happen to Frank? He better not check out just yet!!!!! He stillhas at least one form left to make. St. Peter will have to waiton this one. Any of you have experience with after market forms, please letus know. Ease of use, recoommendations, cost, sourcing, etc.This info makes this list worth the effort..:) from rbrown@infocom.net Thu Jan 9 18:40:28 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26106 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:40:26 -0600 login1.infocom.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA12679 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:43:10 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: Re: N/S Retainer and Ring Give me the Custom Tackle & Supply phone # again "PLEASE". Thanks Rob from mcreek@sirus.com Thu Jan 9 18:55:10 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26673 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:55:07 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00794 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:53:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Canadian Rodmakers how much is that in real money, eh? ;) Brian > from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Thu Jan 9 19:00:20 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26983 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:00:15 -0600 9 Jan 97 20:00 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id UAA163788 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 9 Jan1997 20:00:12 -0500 Subject: Custom Tackle Supply info Her it is... Custom Tackle Supply2559 Hwy. 41AShelbyville TN 37160 (615) 684-6164 Dave from JCZIMNY@dol.net Thu Jan 9 19:14:11 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27583 for ;Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:14:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap, Inc. FORMS ARRIVED I don't know where you heard that CB forms are difficult to adjust. Nothing could be further from the truth. In point of fact, they are the easiest form to adjust that I've used. And,more importantly, they hold adjustment.They will probably take half an hour to adjust for a tyro. But after a few rods you can have them dead on in ten minutes.I've helped a few beginners with these forms. Most have difficulties because they have little or no experience with precision tools.I like the CB forms and they deserve to be called the first-rate piece of design work that they truly are. CB also deserves much credit for keeping the price down.Just for fun. Take one of CB's forms to a machine shop and ask the price to reproduce it plus or minus .001- one off. You'll be amazed.John from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Thu Jan 9 19:47:581997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28893 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:47:57 -0600 SMTP id AA00187(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Jan 199718:47:56 -0700 4.1) Subject: Looking for binders... I am looking for binders.... Has anyone got some good tips regardingbinders /binding machines. Thanks from GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDU Thu Jan 9 19:52:45 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29113 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:52:44 -0600 #19314) Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, Subject: NS Reel Seat I somehow missed getting the address and phone for Custom Tackle andSupplyIf someone could post that I would appriciate it. I assume they have a cataloggerald(jerry)johnsongjflyfsh@uwyo.edu from mcreek@sirus.com Thu Jan 9 19:59:03 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29264 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:59:02 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA01720 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:57:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for binders... I think that Wayne C. is putting together 50 some binders-in-a-box.E-mail him at Waynecatt@aol.com. Brian > from lsgorney@rs01.kings.edu Thu Jan 9 20:21:44 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00488 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:21:43 -0600 8.7/8.7) id VAA26254 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 Subject: Re: NS Reel Seat Custom Tackle Supply2559 Hwy. 41A S.Shelbyville TN 37160615-684-6164 Len Gorney lsgorney@rs01.kings.eduhttp://www.kings.edu/~lsgorney.index.htm from lsgorney@rs01.kings.edu Thu Jan 9 20:23:39 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00559 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:23:38 -0600 8.7/8.7) id VAA47278 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 Subject: Re: N/S Retainer and Ring Custom Tackle Supply2559 Hwy. 41A S.Shelbyville TN 37160615-684-6164 Len Gorney lsgorney@rs01.kings.eduhttp://www.kings.edu/~lsgorney/index.htm from jsmm@interaccess.com Thu Jan 9 20:41:50 1997 Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap, Inc. FORMS ARRIVED How do you get in touch with the Colorado Bootstrap company? from freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Thu Jan 9 21:13:33 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01985 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:13:32 -0600 Subject: method TO anyone who might be able to help:When I set the forms very carefully using a depth indicator with a veryflat surface in contact with the forms, and I plane down to the top of theforms so that the scraper only picks up metal, I'm still about .005 toolargeon my dimensions. I've checked the flatness of the scraper body. (I boughtanengineer's square for just this purpose, and I checked the flatness of theleading edge of the scraper blade-- all of which are right on).I can see that the strip of cane is BELOW the forms at the proper stationand the spline is still too large by about .003-.005. My dial calipers arestandard quality, and I zero the depth gauge on a precisely machinedsurface afriend lent me--it was made specifically for that. I even have a brand new60degree point on the depth indicator. The only thing I can do is slide the strip up in the forms toward the tipend to get the plane to engage the cane and remove any material. I CAN dothisand get exactly the numbers I need, though it might be moreprecise/efficient ifI could just plane/scrape to the top of the forms. I'm out of ideas: I can't think what is off. DO you have any ideas? Isthis "slop" standard operating procedure? I can accept that all this stuffhasits tolerances, and that it takes some tweaking to get the numbers righton.Are these problems you experience. Or can you just plane/scrape to thetop ofthe forms and wind up with numbers right on? -- Mark M. Freedfreedmar@pilot.msu.edu from FISHWOOL@aol.com Thu Jan 9 21:27:28 1997 ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:27:27 -0600 Subject: Re: Aesthetic Balance Reed,How can we build a cane rod that functions well without it beingbeautiful?Hank from jfoster@gte.net Thu Jan 9 21:37:10 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02817 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:37:06 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id VAA23192 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:36:53 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools As I hate gloves..sweaty palms..I would subscribe to Wayne's pink pearlor I use a small square cut from a woodworking non-slip pad. The kindused on the table under beltsanders and routers etc. Jer from jfoster@gte.net Thu Jan 9 21:40:57 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02986 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:40:54 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id VAA23561 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:40:51 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools Dev Chris a a very good FAQ on the web page. you should check it out..Chris also sent me a picture sequence which I appologize for not havingupdated yet..but I will Jer from JCZIMNY@dol.net Thu Jan 9 22:19:24 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA04316 for ;Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:19:20 -0600 Subject: Re: method Dear Mark,The point of the indicator may not be mating to the surfaces of the sidesof the form properly.I suspect either included angle(form or point)off mor than 1/2 a degreemight account for at least a couple of thousanths. (no I haven't checked the trig) Why not setyour depth guage in a known-depth standard and see if this can improve measurement?Also,one could adopt the method of Ted Knot and use short lenghts of drillrod inserted into the grooves of the form. Measure the height of the known diameter above thesurface of the form.John from jsbond@inforamp.net Thu Jan 9 22:25:17 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04624 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:25:16 -0600 XAA21830 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:25:16 - Subject: Re: Canadian Rodmakers That's five beaver pelts and a pound of flour, or $24.50 Yankee green backs. JB At 19:59 09/01/97 -0500, you wrote:how much is that in real money, eh? ;) Brian > James Bond, Toronto, Canada Fax (416) 444-8380E-Mail jsbond@inforamp.net from richard.nootebos@infoboard.be Fri Jan 10 04:02:02 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA16371 for ;Fri, 10 Jan 1997 04:01:59 - 0600 glen.ib.be (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14319; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:01:50+0100 (MET) Subject: Re: HART Reals Dev Emch wrote: Hi ya'll I am trying to locate a fly reel. I think thename of the company was HART. THey were inHolland until they went out of business. The real has a name like "Rio Diablo" or someother Rio spanish name. It has a brasstriangle as a back plate and a spool caage make(sp) made of steel. Its drag is located withinthe spool and uses a sealed one way bearing. Noexternal drags. If anyone knows where I may find such a reel, letme know. This company used to import throughNew Mexico. They went out of business about2 years ago, so its kind of recent. Thanks Ari T'Hart went out of business about two years ago and he startedanother Reel making company a month later. You should be able to track down hisnew company which is operating under almost the same name (HART is inthere). Regards, The FlyFishing Dutchman from richard.nootebos@infoboard.be Fri Jan 10 04:05:02 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA16408 for ;Fri, 10 Jan 1997 04:04:50 - 0600 glen.ib.be (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14495; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:04:54+0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap, Inc. FORMS ARRIVED William Hensel wrote: TO beginners such as me: I throught at 44 waiting for toys got easier. It does not. The U.P.S.man knocked on my door a few minutes ago with the metal Planing formsmade by Colorado Bootstrap, Inc.. When I laid eyes on them, I damn near had a mental orgasim. They camein a heavy thick PVC tube that will serve as a carying case forever. Iplaced the best straight edge I could find on them and all I could seeis DARKNESS. One time in my life I didnt want to see the light. Ithen threw a depth gage on top of them and made a few adjustments justto" cop a feel" so to speak. Man it felt good. When I felt the weight of the forms in my hands, I realised that I wastouching the main "Frame Of reference" I had been in search of since Ihad began of this journey in November 96. I throught to myself " ifthese forms don't give me the edge to navagate in this sea of Bamboorod making then nothing will. It must have felt like that to a gunfighter of the Old West when he strapped on a Colt 44 for the firsttime. He had to have had a sense that he was holding on to the"equalizer". A wave of confidence moved from my hands up my arms intomy chest and throw my entire body. I know it sounds weird but it didhappen just that way. I want to persanlly thank Frank Armbruster for stepping into this smallcorner of the Fly Fishing world. He has made a ripple in the largesea of humanity that will create harmonic upon harmonic and thus put asmile on many a rodmakers face around the world even after he hasmovedon to another level of .....existance. Now and then a man comes along and makes a difference.....when you seeit...you just knod your head and smile. You bet I am smiling and I say happy flying Frank, Bill Hensel- Englewood, Colorado If you still fail to make the perfect flyrod you can always become a writer;-) Richard - The FlyFishing Dutchman from whensel@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 08:07:48 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 06:07:42 -0800 Subject: Boottstrap Web Site Colorado Boostrap Planing Forms WEB SITE is: http://home.earthlink.net/~bootstrap/fishing This site will give you the important information. Bill Hensel from TSmithwick@aol.com Fri Jan 10 08:29:51 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:29:50 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools Dev writes: from Fallcreek9@aol.com Fri Jan 10 08:34:42 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:34:39 -0600 Subject: Re: method Mark - you may be having the same problem I was having in that the pointonmy depth gage was blunted. When zeroing out, the gage was resting on theblunted 60d point, whereas while in use it rests on the sides of the bevel.Sweet Water Rods (610-756-6385) sells a "standard" as it's called,whichwill zero out on the bevel of the point. Another, related problem can beencountered while measuring across the 60d point of the bamboo strip. Inthiscase, you may think you are on spec while in fact the point of the bamboohascrushed a few thou - so when you measure across your glued up and sandedsection it can be oversize. There was at one time (and may still be) av-block that clips to a caliper and measures the bamboo by bearing on thebevel instead of the point. The use of those two tools solved the problem Hope this helps and best regards. Richard Tyree from FFer4trout@aol.com Fri Jan 10 08:43:34 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:43:32 -0600 Subject: WTD: Kirkfield book Does anyone have a copy "The Fine Bamboo Rod: A Master's Secrets toRestoration" by Stuart Kirkfield that's for sale? Or know of a used booklistthat would have it? Thanks, Don Burns from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:12:261997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02267 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:12:23 -0600 SMTP id AA04881(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:12:22 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools Chris who? Do you have a URL for this FAQ? from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:16:061997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02654 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:16:05 -0600 SMTP id AA05309(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:16:04 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: Canadian Rodmakers Hey! The canadians make some awsome stuff...just look at theGeneral woodworking machines! They will blow Delta andPowermatic to the moon with one hand tied behind their backs! Dev (Need Tools, AAAA) Emch from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:18:531997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02768 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:18:52 -0600 SMTP id AA05466(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:18:51 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: HART Reals Yes but!!! Is the new Ari Hart company still building the samereel and with the same quality? Any one know more about thisnew "HART" reel company? Dev from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Jan 10 10:30:09 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:30:07 -0600 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... Hi,Try the eraser trick. It works for me-I have no fingers on my right hand.Hank Woolman. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Jan 10 10:30:09 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:30:07 -0600 Subject: Re: method Mark,Your 60 deg. point may be off. I've been too lazy to get a 60 deg. pointand made my own-very imprecise-so I set various tapers using strips ofknowndepth and recording my depth guage readings for the future settings I amcarefull to make sure that the depth guage gives me the highest reading ateach 5" point(my point is obviously out of round). This sounds like a lot oftrouble but not really-it's just a matter of knowing the limits if the tools.Hank. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Jan 10 10:30:10 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:30:04 -0600 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... Dev,I don't work with gloves. I do get a splinter occasionally but I get abetter feel of the plane's angle without gloves.Hank Woolman. from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:32:361997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03774 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:32:35 -0600 SMTP id AA06545(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:32:34 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: WTD: Kirkfield book Don... I forget the address and netscape is not running on my machine write now.But if you go to the conner bamboo rod page, there is a URL which takesyou to a set of other links. One of these takes you to a commerical area. One of these has a name like good old books or something like that. They are in Montana. He is cool guy with lots of hunting and fishingbooks. Many used. Give him a call and see whats available. SorryI do not have the exact URL on the tip of my tongue. :)...There are somany good URLs these days. he he he Dev Emch from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:38:241997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04189 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:38:23 -0600 SMTP id AA07053(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:38:21 -0700 4.1) Subject: Forms and Videos If anyone has an address for the "Digger" video, I wouldbe very happy. Also, after reading some of the old list archives, I cameaccross a metal planing form. Its 72 inches long and costsabout 750 dollars. Does anyone know anything about thisform? ThanksDev Emch from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:57:411997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05390 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:57:38 -0600 SMTP id AA08715(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:57:36 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... Bamboo splinters? Wasn't that a means of torture at one time? from khube@benmeadows.com Fri Jan 10 11:15:14 1997 LAA06354 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:15:13 -0600 12:14:53 -0500 Subject: Custom Tackle NS Ring Does anyone have the stock number(s) of the Struble butt cap and slip ring from Custom Tackle that everyone has been talking about ? My catalog hasnotarrived and I'd like to get a jump on the order. Thanks. Karl Hube from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Fri Jan 10 11:33:25 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07549 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:33:23 -0600 (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA088277602; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:33:22 -0800 Subject: Books Don, Here are two websites with books. I didn't see the Kirkfield book youwere looking for but they may have more available than what is listed on the website or they could be referenced for future use. http://www1.mhv.net/ffn/FlyBuyBooksLZ.html http://www.kootenay.net/business/angling/ Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Fri Jan 10 12:46:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12051 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:45:59 -0600 10 Jan 97 13:45 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id NAA286628 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 10 Jan1997 13:45:50 -0500 Subject: custom Tackle NS Ring Karl, I just called up and described what I wanted and.....PRESTO!It came in the mail (with a catalog...in which it is item #NSRR) Dave from richard.nootebos@infoboard.be Fri Jan 10 14:58:43 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19446 for ;Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:58:40 - 0600 glen.ib.be (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA03423; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 21:58:46+0100 (MET) Subject: Re: HART Reals Dev Emch wrote: Yes but!!! Is the new Ari Hart company still building the samereel and with the same quality? Any one know more about thisnew "HART" reel company? Dev What I know is that Ari T'Hart is the same guy building the reels. However, the designs are all new now as he might have had problems using the older designs as these might have been property of his old company - which went out of business. BTW, the Rio Orbigo reels and the other reels out of that line should not be too dificult to get second-hand (in Europe) Bye, Richard - The FlyFishing Dutchman from khube@benmeadows.com Fri Jan 10 15:42:49 1997 PAA22163 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:42:46 -0600 16:42:44 -0500 Subject: Custom Tackle Thanks to Dave Makel and others on the Custom Tackle source. I rang upandgot the last Struble cap & ring set on hand...more due in soon. This willget the present rod finished. Good folks and most helpful. Karl Hube from kpetter@online.no Fri Jan 10 15:46:01 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22267 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:45:53 -0600 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:45:34 +0100 (MET) Subject: Binder weights To anyone who might help. I`m new to this listOn but section WC. discribe in his book 1.5 lb weight on the driverbelt. What weight might be usable for the top section.Since it`s my first rod I dont want to get it all wrong when glueing.-- Kristian PettersenDepartment of Fisheries and Marine BiologyUniversity of Bergen, Norway from mcreek@sirus.com Fri Jan 10 19:31:30 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02490 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:31:28 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA01515 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:30:21 -0500 Subject: Re: bamboo tools My no slip pad is that technicolor carpet padding. If you know a carpetinstaller you could get it cheap or free. Brian from GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDU Fri Jan 10 19:47:05 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02972 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:47:04 -0600 #19314) Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, Subject: Kirkfield Book DonJust Good Books at justgoodbooks.com had Kirkfield's book in their lastcatalog It was a 1st ed for 175. I don't know if it is still available.I have done business with them and had no problems. The e-mail isbooks@imt.net phone 800-207-0799. I'm not affiliated with themgerald(jerry)johnson from jfoster@gte.net Fri Jan 10 20:00:09 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03637 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:00:07 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id UAA24470 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:00:05 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools Brian Have you tried using a peice of it as a holddown for planing? Jer from rcurry@jlc.net Fri Jan 10 20:11:24 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04304 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:11:21 -0600 verdi.jlc.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06001 for Subject: Re: Aesthetic Balance FISHWOOL@aol.com wrote: Reed,How can we build a cane rod that functions well without it beingbeautiful?HankHank,It doesn't require a great deal of effort. You might paint the caneblack (e.g., Black Beauty), or perhaps use rainbow windings (e.g.,Kingfisher), or a 9" full Wells grip (too numerous to mention). Somemight find Zebrawood or purpleheart inserts offensive. I personally canlive with lime green windings (e.g., W&M Granger Special) but I don'tlike stubby Super Zs (IMHO, stepdown ferrules look better.) I once had arod with 1/4" intermediates with tipping, every 3/4"; it was dizzying tolook at. Blue anodized reelseats are a curse, as are copper coloredfittings (e.g., Philipson Peerless).Hank, there is tremendous scope for producing UUUUUUgly cane flyrods.However, having seen the rods you make, you're headed in the wrongdirection ... the delightful rods that you produce are as pleasing tothe eye as they are to cast.Best regards,Reed from mcreek@sirus.com Fri Jan 10 21:59:23 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07322 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 21:59:22 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA03320 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:58:13 -0500 Subject: Re: bamboo tools jerry, No, I haven't, but its really tacky when "fresh." Brian from freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Sat Jan 11 08:11:14 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26083 for; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 08:11:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Binder weights 10, 97 10:44:50 pm To anyone who might help. I`m new to this listOn but section WC. discribe in his book 1.5 lb weight on the driverbelt. What weight might be usable for the top section.Since it`s my first rod I dont want to get it all wrong when glueing.-- Kristian PettersenDepartment of Fisheries and Marine BiologyUniversity of Bergen, Norway Kristian, As I read the same directions, he recommends using 1 1/2# for allbinding.Have a look at p. 59 where he writes :"THis is the tension I use for allsizesof thread. I don't readjust for each size." Remembering that herecommendsdifferent sizes of thread for the tip and butt, the passage seems toindicatethat the same tension is used on the tip and the butt since it is used forallsizes of thread (which vary only from tip to buttAs I understand the process and its technicalities, you want a tightwrap,but too much weight can break the thread, which will be a problem, andtoo muchweight will contribute to twisiting the rod. Sometimes I think it is not ascritical to follow the directions as precisely as at other times but tounderstand the process, its goals and potential problems, and to workthroughthe process with those parameters in mind. I do understand the anxiety, though. This is clearly one of the morepermanent steps in the process, and you want to wind up with somethingatleast usable on your first attempt. I'd say, don't break the string, and lookout for twists and it will be fine.I hope that helps. If you have further questions I'd be happy to try toanswer them. Happy binding! --Mark M. Freedfreedmar@pilot.msu.edu from Fallcreek9@aol.com Sat Jan 11 12:13:11 1997 ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 12:13:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Forms and Videos In a message dated 97-01-10 11:48:10 EST, you write: Subj: Forms and VideosDate: 97-01-10 11:48:10 ESTFrom: emchd%MrData- sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com (Dev Emch)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu If anyone has an address for the "Digger" video, I wouldbe very happy. Also, after reading some of the old list archives, I cameaccross a metal planing form. Its 72 inches long and costsabout 750 dollars. Does anyone know anything about thisform? ThanksDev Emch Dev - Jeff Wagner, a rod builder in Parma Heights, OH (216) 845- 4415sellsthem. Jeff was at the Grayling, MI June gathering and had a cy. It lookedso good that I sent for one. Tho I havn't used it, it is excellently made -the best of 5-6 different maker's I've seen. Some features: (1) Has astabalizer pin between the setting bolts at ea 5-in station; (2) milledperfectly flat; and (3) of an alloy superior to crr, but you will have totalk to Jeff about this one. I clamped mine together tightly and checkedforflatness with an accuratly flat steel edge - great. Then put the depth gageto it and found the slope of the groove to be very accurate - beleive me,this is an area of concern the other mfgs missed by miles on ones I havechecked. Again, I havn't used mine, but still recommend the make if you do not mindafew extra bucks to go first class. Actually, do not intend using it until Iproove out a grooved plane as I do not want to nick this one up like others. Good luck. Talk to Jeff as he is a jovial good guy. Regards,Richard Tyree Ps - Not a close friend or business associate of Jeff's. Stayed in the samecabin w/him at Grayling, and got the strong impression he is one to betrusted as well as being an all around good guy who builds fine fly rods. Ps2 - You also wrote: If anyone has an address for the "Digger" video, I wouldbe very happy. Don't know if they are still avail, have heard they are not. Should you findthey are no longer for sale, let me know - probably can help you get one. Orat least send you mine as a loaner. from FFer4trout@aol.com Sat Jan 11 12:47:03 1997 ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 12:47:01 -0600 Subject: Re: Kirkfield Book In a message dated 97-01-10 20:54:52 EST, you write: Subj: Kirkfield BookDate: 97-01-10 20:54:52 ESTFrom: GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDUSender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu DonJust Good Books at justgoodbooks.com had Kirkfield's book in their lastcatalog It was a 1st ed for 175. I don't know if it is still available.I have done business with them and had no problems. The e-mail isbooks@imt.net phone 800-207-0799. I'm not affiliated with themgerald(jerry)johnson Jerry, thanks. Don from jsbond@inforamp.net Sat Jan 11 22:09:11 1997 WAA20647 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 22:09:10-0600 mail.ottawa.istar.net with ESMTP id ; Sat, 11 Jan 199723:07:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Forms and Videos Fred Moran in Mass. I believe sells them, JB At 09:37 10/01/97 MST, you wrote: If anyone has an address for the "Digger" video, I wouldbe very happy. Also, after reading some of the old list archives, I cameaccross a metal planing form. Its 72 inches long and costsabout 750 dollars. Does anyone know anything about thisform? ThanksDev Emch James Bond, Toronto, Canada Fax (416) 444-8380E-Mail jsbond@inforamp.net from jsbond@inforamp.net Sat Jan 11 22:09:16 1997 WAA20651 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 22:09:12-0600 mail.ottawa.istar.net with ESMTP id ; Sat, 11 Jan 199723:07:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Binder weights The same weight would be fine. JB At 22:44 10/01/97 +0100, you wrote:To anyone who might help. I`m new to this listOn but section WC. discribe in his book 1.5 lb weight on the driverbelt. What weight might be usable for the top section.Since it`s my first rod I dont want to get it all wrong when glueing.-- Kristian PettersenDepartment of Fisheries and Marine BiologyUniversity of Bergen, Norway James Bond, Toronto, Canada Fax (416) 444-8380E-Mail jsbond@inforamp.net from jsbond@inforamp.net Sat Jan 11 22:09:19 1997 WAA20656 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 22:09:16-0600 mail.ottawa.istar.net with ESMTP id ; Sat, 11 Jan 199723:07:03 -0500 Subject: Re: WTD: Kirkfield book This gentleman had a copy of the book, he wanted to $175.00.A bit steep I might suggest."Just Good Books" Belgrade Montana JB At 09:32 10/01/97 MST, you wrote:Don... I forget the address and netscape is not running on my machine writenow.But if you go to the conner bamboo rod page, there is a URL which takesyou to a set of other links. One of these takes you to a commerical area. One of these has a name like good old books or something like that. They are in Montana. He is cool guy with lots of hunting and fishingbooks. Many used. Give him a call and see whats available. SorryI do not have the exact URL on the tip of my tongue. :)...There are somany good URLs these days. he he he Dev Emch James Bond, Toronto, Canada Fax (416) 444-8380E-Mail jsbond@inforamp.net from dcanny@mhtc.net Sat Jan 11 22:18:45 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20994 for; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 22:18:43 -0600 pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA25059 for Subject: Double built Len Gorney,Thanks for the wealth of info on the double built, tried to contact you off the list but could not hook up with your server. David from mrj@seanet.com Sat Jan 11 22:56:58 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA21806 for; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 22:56:56 -0600 Subject: aluminum pullys for binder A while back there was some talk about obtaining some solid pully wheels making of a Milward Binder (or more appropriately a Holbrook/Milwardbinder).The weather has finally cleared up here in Seattle and I made a trip to Hardwicks Swap Shop. They stock the 5 in. diameter pulley wheels that aresolid in a varity of bore sizes. 1/2", 5/8", 3/4". These bore sizes would probably have to be drilled out. I did that and did not have a problem doing it. Of course I used the Lathe at work to do this(G). The price is under $6.00each. They also have the 6 in. size but these have four spokes instead of a solid center. After looking at them, I think that you could adapt the wheels with spokes just as easily as the solid center pulleys for use with the spools of binding thread. The 6 in. size cost about $6.00 ea. I doubt that they wouldmailorder but I am sure that something could be worked out. Anyone still needsthesejust let me know. Martin Jensen from kpetter@online.no Sun Jan 12 09:21:25 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07524 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:21:21 -0600 ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:21:11 +0100 (MET) Subject: Glue marke Thank you for your help reg. binding weight.But now I have a glueing problem.I used a Norwegian glue (Bostic T800) and glued a test strip. I`t didnot work well, it was not strong enough.Does anyone know if I can have glue by post from Nyratex Epoxy 2112Industrial?Are there any alternative markes I can use? Kristian PettersenDepartment of Fisheries and Marine BiologyUniversity of Bergen, Norway from rbrown@infocom.net Sun Jan 12 11:01:22 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10429 for ;Sun, 12 Jan 1997 11:01:20 -0600 login1.infocom.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03714 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 11:04:33 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: Re: aluminum pullys for binder Sometime ago, messages on the board suggests that Mr. Cattanach wouldprovide binder kits, oven kits, books, and videos for a price. I havee- mailed Mr. Cattanach for infomation about the above without results. Am I wrong about the messages, do I have the wrong e-mail address, or what? I thank you for your support and directions. Rob from FFer4trout@aol.com Sun Jan 12 11:41:35 1997 ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 11:41:33 -0600 Subject: Re: WTD: Kirkfield book In a message dated 97-01-11 23:17:32 EST, you write: Subj: Re: WTD: Kirkfield bookDate: 97-01-11 23:17:32 ESTFrom: jsbond@inforamp.net (James Bond)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu This gentleman had a copy of the book, he wanted to $175.00.A bit steep I might suggest."Just Good Books" Belgrade Montana JB Thanks, for the feedback. I was hoping for a lower price myself. Now I've got to work out a way of informing the "boss" that I "need" todrop$175 for a used book for my hobby! Or should I say $175 more, on top of allthe other money I've spent in the last 12 months on my hobby. Don from FFer4trout@aol.com Sun Jan 12 11:41:48 1997 ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 11:41:46 -0600 Subject: Needed: A quick fix for a loose reelseat Any one have any ideas on how to get some glue under a loose metalreelseatspacer on an old Montague baitcaster rod? I don't want to have to remove(destroy) the cork foregrip, which is still in nice condition. Can epoxy be thinned enough to flow through a hypodermic needle and stillhold? Can one buy a legal needle? Any other ideas? Don B. from FFer4trout@aol.com Sun Jan 12 11:56:24 1997 ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 11:56:23 -0600 Subject: Re: Glue marke In a message dated 97-01-12 10:25:39 EST, you write: Subj: Glue markeDate: 97-01-12 10:25:39 ESTFrom: kpetter@online.no (Kristian Pettersen)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Thank you for your help reg. binding weight.But now I have a glueing problem.I used a Norwegian glue (Bostic T800) and glued a test strip. I`t didnot work well, it was not strong enough.Does anyone know if I can have glue by post from Nyratex Epoxy 2112Industrial?Are there any alternative markes I can use? Kristian PettersenDepartment of Fisheries and Marine BiologyUniversity of Bergen, Norway Look at these URL's: http://HOME1.gte.net/jfoster/index.htm http://www.cybercom.net/~bconner/rod.html One of them has information on how to reach the supplier of Urac glue. Idon't know if the company exports. But, there shouldn't be anyimport/exportrestrictions on glue, I think. Most U.S. rod builders use Urac. A few use Resorcinol (purple color!) or maybe even a very few useTitebondII. This last one (Titebond II) is just a very good quality yellow wood glue.Best thing about it is that it can be found in most US building supplystores. I don't know if it would hold up on a heavy-duty Norwegian salmonrod. Don Burns from mcreek@sirus.com Sun Jan 12 12:48:43 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15215 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:48:42 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20714 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 13:47:23 -0500 Subject: Re: aluminum pullys for binder Talked to Wayne over the Holidays and he indicated that there was atremendous interest in both ovens- and binders-in-a-box. Both of theseitems had been suggested for workshop sessions at the Grayrock gatheringthis June, but several list members who would be unable to attend thegathering expressed interest in getting the components and instructionsvia snail mail. I think the amount of interest suprised Wayne. Winter is a busier time for him, work-wise, but post a message to himthrough the list and I'm sure he'll respond eventually. I've got the video and it is a good, unintimidating tour of the rodbuilding process from the delivery of the cane to a finished rod, on twovhs tapes. Watching the process with Wayne's descriptive narration ismuch better than simply reading a book, though I need the book forreference and its details. Brian > from mcreek@sirus.com Sun Jan 12 12:58:31 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15578 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:58:30 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20833 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 13:57:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Needed: A quick fix for a loose reelseat Woddcraft Supply (800/225-1153) sells a High Pressure Glue Injector(Part # 12P01) that looks like an oversized hypodermic needle. It'smade out of high- impact plastic and comes with a removable 1/32nd inchnozzle, or you can order a 1/16th nozzle for an extra $7.50(part #12P03). They recomend it for water based glues, so I don't know if itwould work with epoxy or not. Costs $24.99 in my catalog. from williamsw@n-link.com Sun Jan 12 14:24:48 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18881 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:24:47 -0600 (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23214 for ;Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:24:45 - 0600 Subject: Re: Glue marke FFer4trout@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 97-01-12 10:25:39 EST, you write: Subj: Glue markeDate: 97-01-12 10:25:39 ESTFrom: kpetter@online.no (Kristian Pettersen)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Thank you for your help reg. binding weight.But now I have a glueing problem.I used a Norwegian glue (Bostic T800) and glued a test strip. I`t didnot work well, it was not strong enough.Does anyone know if I can have glue by post from Nyratex Epoxy 2112Industrial?Are there any alternative markes I can use? Kristian PettersenDepartment of Fisheries and Marine BiologyUniversity of Bergen, Norway Look at these URL's: http://HOME1.gte.net/jfoster/index.htm http://www.cybercom.net/~bconner/rod.html One of them has information on how to reach the supplier of Urac glue. Idon't know if the company exports. But, there shouldn't be anyimport/exportrestrictions on glue, I think. Most U.S. rod builders use Urac. A few use Resorcinol (purple color!) or maybe even a very few useTitebondII. This last one (Titebond II) is just a very good quality yellow wood glue.Best thing about it is that it can be found in most US building supplystores. I don't know if it would hold up on a heavy-duty Norwegiansalmonrod. Don Burns Anyone tried Gorilla Glue??? from rbrown@infocom.net Sun Jan 12 14:28:50 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18984 for ;Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:28:49 - 0600 login1.infocom.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06845 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:32:01 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: Re: aluminum pullys for binder Brian" Thanks Rob from rbrown@infocom.net Sun Jan 12 14:41:29 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19465 for ;Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:41:27 - 0600 login1.infocom.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA07028 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:44:42 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Rod building tools Wayne: Need oven kit, binder kit and videos. Thanks Rob from mcreek@sirus.com Sun Jan 12 17:14:45 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25101 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:14:43 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23475 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 18:13:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Glue marke I wondered about Gorilla Glue and other urethane-based adhesives. Mytwo major concerns are 1) They expand like Fizzees and have a foam-like structure in anyvoids2) They won't work unless you keep your moisture levels around 8% -12%. Most directions reccomend spritzing the joint to activate theglue. Has anyone tried it?? Brian > from callumr@mail2.ozemail.com.au Sun Jan 12 20:37:55 1997 server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA06363 for Subject: Ari.T.Hart I am am presently using one of the new Hart reels and can definitely saythat they are both beautiful to look at and to fish with.You can find some information on the reels under page 2 of "What's News"atThe Urban Anglers Home page (www.urban-angler.com). They seem to besellingreels from Hart's new company as well as his old designs beingmanufactured Hope this helps.Callum. from KMann33@aol.com Sun Jan 12 20:47:55 1997 ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 20:47:53 -0600 Subject: Re: aluminum pullys for binder I am a new member to the list and currently reading "A Master's Guide ToBuildingA Bamboo Fly Rod" for the second time. I'm in the early stages ofcollectingeverything that I need, or think I need and would be very interested in thevidiotapes that you have mentioned. Like you, the book makes a great referencebutI believe that the tape would make me much more comfortable entering mynewpast time. I also wanted to comment that after reading EMail all day atwork, Ithoroughly enjoy reading through everyone's comments regarding realyimportantmatters such as cane, streams and good talk. Ken from JCZIMNY@dol.net Sun Jan 12 21:15:33 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA05969 for ;Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:15:30 - 0600 Subject: Re: Glue marke FFer4trout@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 97-01-12 10:25:39 EST, you write: Subj: Glue markeDate: 97-01-12 10:25:39 ESTFrom: kpetter@online.no (Kristian Pettersen)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Thank you for your help reg. binding weight.But now I have a glueing problem.I used a Norwegian glue (Bostic T800) and glued a test strip. I`t didnot work well, it was not strong enough.Does anyone know if I can have glue by post from Nyratex Epoxy 2112Industrial?Are there any alternative markes I can use? Kristian PettersenDepartment of Fisheries and Marine BiologyUniversity of Bergen, Norway Look at these URL's: http://HOME1.gte.net/jfoster/index.htm http://www.cybercom.net/~bconner/rod.html One of them has information on how to reach the supplier of Urac glue. Idon't know if the company exports. But, there shouldn't be anyimport/exportrestrictions on glue, I think. Most U.S. rod builders use Urac. A few use Resorcinol (purple color!) or maybe even a very few useTitebondII. This last one (Titebond II) is just a very good quality yellow wood glue.Best thing about it is that it can be found in most US building supplystores. I don't know if it would hold up on a heavy-duty Norwegiansalmonrod. Don Burns I would check Borden's Europe. They should carry carry a full line of adhesives except for epoxies.John Zimny from wfmack@evansville.net Sun Jan 12 21:36:24 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06575 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:36:22 -0600 (Smail3.2 #15) id m0vjdC6-000hy9C; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:36:18 - Subject: Re: Glue marke Walter Williams wrote: FFer4trout@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 97-01-12 10:25:39 EST, you write: Subj: Glue markeDate: 97-01-12 10:25:39 ESTFrom: kpetter@online.no (Kristian Pettersen)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Thank you for your help reg. binding weight.But now I have a glueing problem.I used a Norwegian glue (Bostic T800) and glued a test strip. I`t didnot work well, it was not strong enough.Does anyone know if I can have glue by post from Nyratex Epoxy 2112Industrial?Are there any alternative markes I can use? Kristian PettersenDepartment of Fisheries and Marine BiologyUniversity of Bergen, Norway Look at these URL's: http://HOME1.gte.net/jfoster/index.htm http://www.cybercom.net/~bconner/rod.html One of them has information on how to reach the supplier of Urac glue.Idon't know if the company exports. But, there shouldn't be anyimport/exportrestrictions on glue, I think. Most U.S. rod builders use Urac. A few use Resorcinol (purple color!) or maybe even a very few useTitebondII. This last one (Titebond II) is just a very good quality yellow wood glue.Best thing about it is that it can be found in most US building supplystores. I don't know if it would hold up on a heavy-duty Norwegiansalmonrod. Don Burns Anyone tried Gorilla Glue???I have used Gorilla Glue in ultralight boat building and like it a lot. However, as it cures it bubbles up and out, so you would want to protect anything near your glue sight that you don't want it to get onto. Also, it will stain your hands a deep walnut. so you may want to use blocker cream and/or rubber gloves. I have not tried it on anything other then a wood to wood connection (oak, in my case). Bill Mack from RobBrady@ix.netcom.com Mon Jan 13 01:20:59 1997 dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA04113 for; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:20:55 -0800 Subject: Planing forms Hello, I have a question. Where can I purchase or have made a steelplaning form for 5 and 6 part bamboo fly rods? I'm looking for one form,with 5 part tapers on one side, and 6 part tapers on the other--steel andsimple. I talked to Dwight Lyons in Oregon and checked some othersources, but have had no luck. So I hopped on the Internet, and if it doesany good, it'll be a first. Thanks.RobBrady@ix.netcom.com from freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Mon Jan 13 07:11:33 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28963 for; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:11:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Glue marke 12, 97 04:20:22 pm Kristian,The people at Nyatex are pretty accomodating. It's a small companyherein Michigan, and they have a special package for rod builders that consistsofone quart of resin and one quart of hardener for about $40 US. My guesswouldbe that they would ship to Norway. The $40 US includes shipping, so youmighthave to pay extra for that. I would be surprised if you couldn't find anycomparable product in Norway with their tradition of woodworking. If youcan'tget it from Nyatex or someone else, let me know and I may be able to shipsome to you. Mark FreedDepartment of English Language and LiteratureCentral Michigan University Thankyou for your help reg. binding weight. > But now I have a glueing problem.I used a Norwegian glue (Bostic T800) and glued a test strip. I`t didnot work well, it was not strong enough.Does anyone know if I can have glue by post from Nyratex Epoxy 2112Industrial?Are there any alternative markes I can use? Kristian PettersenDepartment of Fisheries and Marine BiologyUniversity of Bergen, Norway --Mark M. Freedfreedmar@pilot.msu.edu from bootstrap@earthlink.net Mon Jan 13 07:45:50 1997 HAA00768 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:45:49-0600 FAA22113 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 05:45:41 Subject: Re: Planing forms Sorry, Robert, what you want can't be done. If you check the geometrycarefully, you'll find that any rod configuration other than six sidedrequires two separate forms. I make the hex forms, and I'll sell you one.And I made some of the four and five sided ones a couple of years ago, butthey don't sell well enough to warrant making any more. If you wantanythig other than six-sided, you'll have to do it yourself or contractwith a custom machine shop. Frank in Colo9rado from Jerry.Snider@UC.Edu Mon Jan 13 08:06:34 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01973 for; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:06:33 -0600 #15949) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, Subject: Re: Rod building tools Wayne, need oven kit and binder kit if/when available. J. Snider. from FFer4trout@aol.com Mon Jan 13 08:34:53 1997 ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:34:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Needed: A quick fix for a loose reelseat In a message dated 97-01-12 14:04:14 EST, you write: Subj: Re: Needed: A quick fix for a loose reelseatDate: 97-01-12 14:04:14 ESTFrom: mcreek@sirus.com (brian & michelle creek)Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Woddcraft Supply (800/225-1153) sells a High Pressure Glue Injector(Part # 12P01) that looks like an oversized hypodermic needle. It'smade out of high- impact plastic and comes with a removable 1/32ndinchnozzle, or you can order a 1/16th nozzle for an extra $7.50(part #12P03). They recomend it for water based glues, so I don't know if itwould work with epoxy or not. Costs $24.99 in my catalog. Thanks for the lead. Don from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Jan 13 08:42:33 1997 ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:42:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Planing forms from santiago@ricochet.net Mon Jan 13 11:09:15 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16529 for; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:09:13 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: rodmakers leo santiago from santiago@ricochet.net Mon Jan 13 11:16:12 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17275 for; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:16:11 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: rod taper hello, just joined this listserv and hope to gain a share as much as possible. i completed my first cane rod and it is a beauty! i am now looking for an accurate taper for an 8616? any help out there? thanks, leo from WayneCatt@aol.com Mon Jan 13 12:50:56 1997 ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:50:55 -0600 Subject: A Wayne Sighting I have just returned from a trip to our nations capital, Washington DC.Having been gone for the past week it seems that the mail has piled up abitand I will need some time to follow up with personal responses.First, I must tell you that I was able to see the proof copy of LuisMarden's new book, 'The Angler's Bamboo'. Lyndi and I spent a couple dayswith Luis and Ethel while in DC and as is the case with all of Luis'swritings it is excellent. The finished book is 100 pages of information onjust tonkin bamboo - it includes a copy of Floyd Mc Clure's technical while in China for his Oct 80 article for the NGS as well as a photo of theToms (Maxwell & Dorcey) casting in front a a covered bridge. The cost willbe$25 and it is scheduled to be available in April. Nick Lyons is doing thepublishing. BINDER KITS What started out to be a fill in project for Grayrock 97 hasmushroomeda bit. Unfortunately this time of year for me is the busiest for me - I willbe away doing workshops for the next 5 weekends in a row. However, Ihave twobeta testers that have completed the sample kits so we are on line to getthings going. Given a few hours I hope to be able to ship in early Feb forthose that have requested them earlier than the gathering in Grayling. Adescription of what you are going to get is:Body plateAngle Iron (for mounting to work surface)Pre cut support arms (final smoothing required)Wooden drive pulley (predrilled as needed)Turn HandleTensionersMisc BoltsOn recieving you will need to mount all parts and 'sand in' support arms- to complete the set up you will need to make the needed support armsonboth sides of the binder - these arms can be made of wood and are neededtosupport the sections from drooping to the floor. The 'kit' is going to beprovided at cost which will be about $25 and from what i've seen it willcostabout $10 to ship (or you can pick them up and and finish them at the gettogether in June) OVEN SHELLS forthe oven that I devised. The shell is both pieces of ductwork with theinsulation installed. The mica heaters for completeing the oven can beordered directly from Grand Technologies (they stock them) - ThethermostatsI can get wholesale here in Grand Rapids through APSCO - The other itemssuchas hardware cloth you should be able to get locally. The shells I have madelocally and it takes as much as a couple of weeks to get one fabricated - thesheetmetal shop gives me a good price on them if they can use it as fill inwork. The shells cost $40 and it usually is about $15 to get them shippedsomewhere.My apologies for any delays that you might have in contacting me orgetting requested items - I understand the excitement of rodmaking andwanting to get started and will do what I can to help - but at times I haveto admit that I'm human and may fail in meeting an intended schedule - buteventually I will come through. time as usual in seeing you again - some really great rods - just notenoughtime. Wayne from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Mon Jan 13 15:11:02 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05357 for; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:11:00 -0600 (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA163099858; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:10:58 -0800 Subject: Need an address Could someone provide me with the address of Len Codella at "Classic Sporting Collectibles" in Florida. I believe he moved to Florida about a year ago and I lost the new address. Thank You. Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from mark@mark2.wm.edu Mon Jan 13 15:45:57 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08354 for; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:45:56 -0600 QAA17462 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:48:57 - Subject: Ferrules for a Quad rod What do you do about the ferrules for a Quad rod? thanks, mark@mail.wm.edu from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Mon Jan 1318:34:32 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21897 for; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:34:31 -0600 SMTP id AA14443(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Jan 199717:34:20 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: Glue marke I know from woodworking that this type of glue requires waterto get it to "cure". One would put glue on one joint and brushwater on the other. How this would affect bamboo is unclear. Itmay be that the reaction "consumes" water leaving the joint andsurrounding area relatively dry. But if too much water is used, this could result in excess moisture content and potential fiberinstability. Dev Anyone empirical testers, please submit your results. I wouldlike to hear them. from lsgorney@rs01.kings.edu Mon Jan 13 19:06:43 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23841 for; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:06:38 -0600 8.7/8.7) id UAA36520 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 Subject: Re: Need an address Mac,Right you are . . . here's the new snail mail Len Codella's Heritage Sporting Collectibles587 Gulf to Lake HighwayLecanto FL 34461352-637-5454 Could someone provide me with the address of Len Codella at "ClassicSporting Collectibles" in Florida. I believe he moved to Florida about ayear ago and I lost the new address. Thank You. Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu Len Gorney lsgorney@rs01.kings.eduhttp://www.kings.edu/~lsgorney/index.htm from bootstrap@earthlink.net Mon Jan 13 19:33:37 1997 TAA25256 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:33:36-0600 RAA22575 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:33:25 Subject: Re: Planing forms Thanks, Tom for the clarification. I thought he was asking for adjustableforms. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Frank in Colorado from GLohkamp@aol.com Tue Jan 14 00:49:47 1997 ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:49:45 -0600 Subject: Re: rod taper leol have a dickerson taper 8615 which is a great rod , the measurementsweretaken from a rod in the Jim Schaff collection which was made byDickerson forDr Arthur Strom iun 1952 . This information came my way from Tom fulk.0-.0945-.10710-.12015-.13520-.15025-.16630-.17935- .19240-.20545-.21850-.23255-.25060-.26965-.28770-.30775-.32480- .34285-.35790-.37195-.375100-.372102-.375 Slope is .038inch per ft. hope this is one you may not have , l would like to locate a 8013 taper , ljust finshed two 8014 and really liked them , they are strong fast rods ,butl would like a 5 wt .good luckl gary from GLohkamp@aol.com Tue Jan 14 01:43:54 1997 ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:43:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Need an address len codellas ph 352-637-5454587 gulf to lake hwy, lecanto, fl 34461gary from TSmithwick@aol.com Tue Jan 14 07:42:23 1997 ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:42:22 -0600 Subject: Re: rod taper Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. I deducted.005 aboutDickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment.Measurements under the handle are obviously estimates.0- .0745- .08210-.09515-.11420-.12925-.14530-.16035-.17040-.18045- .18950-.21555-.23260-.25165-.27270-.29375-.30480-.31885-.34490- .37595-.375My notes show actual readings to the 85" mark. The .375 estimates comefrommy understanding that Dickerson used this as a standard buttmeasurement.Hope this helps. -- Tom from RckyMtKane@aol.com Tue Jan 14 07:54:47 1997 ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:54:45 -0600 Subject: Re: Planing forms Hi RobAs has been said these forms that were made by Herters are quite rare.But Idid see a set at Bob's Tackle in Denver, CO ask for Bob or Betty (303)455-7926 I really didn't look closely at them and can't tell you if they areexactly what you want.Give them a call. I hope this helps.Good Luck Joe from GLohkamp@aol.com Tue Jan 14 12:59:45 1997 ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:59:43 -0600 Subject: Re: rod taper thank you tom l wiil give this one a trygary from GLohkamp@aol.com Tue Jan 14 13:27:16 1997 ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:27:14 -0600 Subject: stressed out l am having some trouble understanding stress curves, for example bruceconners rod maker for windows program . gives me the option betweenentering2in stresses and dia. l was hoping that by entering the dia. from a straighttaper of lets say .014 per 5 in. that it would show me the stresses forthattaper . this would give me a reference point to start from . however theprogram demands that l also enter stresses to calculate the taper. most ofthe stress curves that l've seen do not give me enough detail to set thevalues at 2 in . l would need to take a guess this does not seem right to me. could l be missing something ??the rod maker program also informs me of a mistype in a dialog box when lclick ok the program closes and what data that l have entered is gone . thevalues are from an existing rod that l built and like , what could l be doingwrong here .l dont know what the stresses are for the taper but would liketofind out . lf anyone can help me with the riddle of the stress curves , l would bereleived.stressed out gary from FISHWOOL@aol.com Tue Jan 14 13:34:44 1997 ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:34:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Aesthetic Balance Reed,Thanks for the encouragement. I'm sorry you don't like the electricblue reel seats-I guess I'll have to return the gross I just bought:-).I hope I can get to Grayling again in June.Hank. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Tue Jan 14 13:35:29 1997 ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:35:25 -0600 Subject: Re: Need an address Chris,The address is:587 E. Gulf to Lake Hwy.Lecanto, Fl. 34461 from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Tue Jan 14 14:21:27 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26803 for; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:21:25 -0600 Subject: I hate to ask - but To all, I hate to ask but a couple of rods arrived in the shop the other day for alook- see and I don't know what they maybe worth or their approximate ageandI need your help. Primarily, I don't want to attempt to get them to fishingcondition if they are "collectibles" and historically significant. But, ifthey are run of the mill canes and their value is not diminished by merepairing them to fishable condition - so what.The customer wants them to be fishable - tis me that's resisting. Pleaselet me know if either of the rods is a "collectible". Thanx, Don Rod # 1 Maker - MilwardSer. # 6638Length - 10 1/2'Pieces - 3 - 1 tipReel Seat - bright alum. with rolled threading c/w rubber buttonFerrules - brass - have knurled areas on end of female ferruleThread - yellow varigated wrapsGuide - Are chrome plated bridge guides of very samll ODCork Rings - 1/2" lengthTip Top - standard style Rod # 2 Maker - MilwardSer. # N/ALength - 8 1/2'Pieces - 3 - 1 tipReel Seat - Brass c/w sliding ringFerrules - brass Guides - oval in shape c/w feet that are set to both sides of the rod.Guides look like they may be made of Ni-Sil. The guide is a complete wrapofwire.Cork rings - 1/2" lengthThread - burgundy silkIntermidiate Wraps - butt 3/8" apart - mid. 5/16" apart - tip 1/4" apart from santiago@ricochet.net Tue Jan 14 14:22:40 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26912 for; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:22:39 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: Re: rod taper GLohkamp@aol.com wrote: leol have a dickerson taper 8615 which is a great rod , the measurementsweretaken from a rod in the Jim Schaff collection which was made byDickerson forDr Arthur Strom iun 1952 . This information came my way from Tomfulk.0-.0945-.10710-.12015-.13520-.15025-.16630-.17935- .19240-.20545-.21850-.23255-.25060-.26965-.28770-.30775-.32480- .34285-.35790-.37195-.375100-.372102-.375 Slope is .038inch per ft.hope this is one you may not have , l would like to locate a 8013 taper , ljust finshed two 8014 and really liked them , they are strong fast rods ,butl would like a 5 wt .good lucklgary thanks, gary i will start this weekend... from kpetter@online.no Tue Jan 14 16:06:33 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05396 for; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:06:26 -0600 ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:06:11 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Glue marke Thanks for all help.I phoned Nyatex, and they will fax me the data sheet.As I understood, the did not ship abroad, exept for Canada.I have contacted a larger glue firm in Norway that wil help me. (Thesalesman tourned out to be a flyfisher who just had bougth a new reel.)My luck is about to change.Kristian. from Fallcreek9@aol.com Tue Jan 14 20:23:09 1997 ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:23:07 -0600 Subject: Forms I recently sent out an answer concerning planing forms that was meant asprivate correspondence but inadvertantly sent to the list. The answer wastoo expressive as it praised one make of forms and was less kind toothers.After reviewing the listing, I wish to make apology to any maker of formsthat may have been offended. Especially to list member Frank Armbruster,whosells forms and thus does this group a genuine service. He sells excellentplaning forms, with special features, and at a very reasonable price. Frank,please accept my apology.Sincerely,Richard Tyree from KMWET@bridgewater.net Tue Jan 14 22:36:00 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05344 for ;Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:35:30 - 0600 Subject: Re: Planing forms Frank in Colorado,I am interested in purchasing the hex form mentioned. If you could emailme with the details I would appreciate it. Thanks.Kevin Wetherby ----------I make the hex forms, and I'll sell you one.And I made some of the four and five sided ones a couple of years ago,butthey don't sell well enough to warrant making any more. If you wantanythig other than six-sided, you'll have to do it yourself or contractwith a custom machine shop. Frank in Colo9rado from plipton@sunvalley.net Tue Jan 14 22:36:21 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05397 for; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:36:19 -0600 (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11203) with SMTP id AAA524 0700 Organization: Sun Valley Rods Subject: Re: rod taper Rom / Gary: I saw your tapers for Dickerson's 8013 and 8615. Would you help me outwith an explanation of the length and weight this describes? How dothese tapers fish? Thanks. Phil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Philip Lipton PO Box 1003, Sun Valley, ID 83353208-726-9559, 208-622-8585 Fax 208-726- 0191~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from bootstrap@earthlink.net Wed Jan 15 00:04:39 1997 AAA09979 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:04:38-0600 WAA18382 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:04:24 Subject: Re: Forms Richard-No apology necessary. But thanks anyhow for the mention. I'mdoin' my best. Frank from Fallcreek9@aol.com Wed Jan 15 08:24:48 1997 ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 08:24:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Forms Thanks, Frank.Richard from khube@benmeadows.com Wed Jan 15 09:37:36 1997 JAA04784 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:37:35-0600 10:37:34 -0500 Subject: Mounting Butt Caps Need some opinions.........Up until now, my grips have been all cork with slip rings and a flared corkbutt with a butt plate. The next couple of rods are ready for the grips andI'd like to use the Struble butt cap and ring combination. In mounting a butt cap, does everyone use a wooden filler to carry thecap?Is the cork too unstable to provide a satisfactory base for gluing the capdirectly on the grip? And finally, is it necessary to pin the cap? I am assuming that one of the heat-release adhesives would be better thanepoxy in case the cap needs to be removed. Karl Hube from bootstrap@earthlink.net Wed Jan 15 10:19:49 1997 KAA08095 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:19:48-0600 IAA09175 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 08:19:40 Subject: Re: Forms You're welcome, Richard. Keep in touch. Frank from fcfp@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 15 10:29:01 1997 dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA18150; Wed, 15Jan 1997 08:28:52 -0800 Organization: Bohls Financial Services fcfp@ix.netcom.com Warm Water List Serve ,Cold Water List Serve Subject: Re: Rivers Conservation and Fly Fishing Youth Camp --The Cumberland Valley Chapter of Trout Unlimited (Carlisle, PA) will behosting the third youth camp this June at the Allenberry Resort. Thisschool is designed for BOYS AND GIRLS age 14-17 with all ranges ofconservation and fly fishing experience,knowledge, and skills andfeatures an all star faculty that includes Bob Hunt, Bob Behnke, GeorgeHarvey, Jim Gilford, Joe Humphreys, Catheryne Tucker, Barry Serviente,Mark Susinno, Ed Shenk, Leon Chandler, Charlie Meck, Kem Reinard, FredJohnson, Charles Gauvin, members of the PA Fish and Boat Commission,thePA Dept of Conservation and Natural Resources, PA Dept of EnviornmentalProtection and others too numerous to name. (Sorry if I ommittedsomeone -- there are over 50 instructors this year.) Cost is $300(included room and board and tuition) for the camp that runs from 22June to 27 June with a very full schedule each day (5:00am fishing to9:00pm) and will include hands on work on a project CVTU is involvedwith on the Big Springs at Newville, PA. Applications due by 15 March.More info available from me as well as from Dr. Jack Beck -- P. O. Box520, Carlisle PA 17013 (Phone: 717-249- 1646). Limited to 32 students.This is an excellenat opportunity for a selected group of kids to learn from some of the best. Fred Bohls, Treasurer,Cumberland Valley TroutUnlimited ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FRED BOHLS, CFPP. O. Box 3303Camp Hill, PA 17011-9698Office: (717) 732-2448Fax: (717) 732-2414e-mail: fcfp@ix.netcom.com from jonrc@atlantic.net Wed Jan 15 11:04:06 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11567 for; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:04:03 -0600 berlin.atlantic.net (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA11811 for; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:35:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Mounting Butt Caps Karl Hube wrote: Need some opinions......... Up until now, my grips have been all cork with slip rings and a flaredcorkbutt with a butt plate. The next couple of rods are ready for the grips andI'd like to use the Struble butt cap and ring combination. In mounting a butt cap, does everyone use a wooden filler to carry thecap?Is the cork too unstable to provide a satisfactory base for gluing the capdirectly on the grip? And finally, is it necessary to pin the cap? I am assuming that one of the heat-release adhesives would be betterthanepoxy in case the cap needs to be removed. Karl Hube Karl, yes use a wood filler to hold the cap! To glue on the cap I useDevcon 5- min epoxy, it is heat reversable. Have fun! -- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water. Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from GLohkamp@aol.com Wed Jan 15 14:47:28 1997 ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:47:26 -0600 Subject: Re: dickerson tapers AL l'll give you the the two that l have plus an extrapolated , 5 ft 4wt fromdickerson 8ft.and 8.5 extrapolated from the 8014 taper. l hope that yousavedthe 8013 taper that was posted earlier . 8014 8014 8.5 8615 5ft 4wt 0 .076 .076 .094 .0635 .095 .094 .107 .08010 .114 .113 .120 .096 15 .133 .130 .135 .110 20 .151 .147 .150 .12225 .167 .163 .166 .135 30 .181 .176 .179 .15035 .192 .187 .192 .172 40 .200 .196 .205 .206 45 .208 .204 .218 .24550 .223 .215 .232 .27355 .243 .230 .250 .28260 .264 .250 .269 .28265 .284 .269 .287 70 .295 .285 .30775 .315 .300 .32480 .336 .317 .342 85 .359 .335 .35790 .360 .359 .37195 .360 .360 .37596 .360 100 .360 .375102 .360 .375 Another post asked about line wt and lenght for dickerson tapers . 8014 for example would be an 8ft 0 inch with a # 14/64 s ferrule. 8614wouldbe 8ft 6inch rod with a 14/64 s ferrule ect.As for line wt l use the rule of thumb based on the ferrule size . a rod witha 13/64 ferrule is a 4-5 wt 14/64 s 6-7 wt 15/64 s 7-8 wt . most of thetimethis has not filed me but there are exceptions to every rule . the 8014 lfeel casts a dt # 6 just great ,it's a fast strong rod . Anyway this methodhas worked for me when l size up a taper that is new to me good luck Gary from fiveside@net-gate.com Wed Jan 15 18:19:37 1997 SAA16613 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:19:35-0600 TAA26221 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:19:30 Subject: Ferrules for quads To mark, 1/14/97You ask about ferrules for quads. For us ordinary mortals the best answeris to go one piece nodeless and buy a van. Works great! Bill Fink from whensel@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 15 19:45:35 1997 dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA04598 for; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:45:26 -0800 Subject: Cattanachs Oven Mr. Cattanach, Its been 15 days since you sent the oven and still no arrival. So whats up? I want to get these rods pre heated and in the final planstage. I know your busy.....just tell me whats up....I can order the material from Gordy but dont really want two ovens laying around.So what up? Bill Hensel4701 So. Delaware St.Englewood, Co 80110 from GLohkamp@aol.com Wed Jan 15 20:27:45 1997 ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:27:43 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrules for quads MarkYou may want to write Per Brandin and ask him , He builds quad rods andhasdeveloped a ferrule for them . they are really something . The Address is :Per Brandin Bamboo Fly Shop,10254 San Pablo Ave, El Cerrito. CA 94530. My thoughts are the worst that can happen is you lost a stamp.Good Luck Gary. from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Wed Jan 15 22:58:40 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06135 for; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:58:37 -0600 Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:58:32 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: rod taper Hi,what kind of line weight would you say this is for? tony Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. I deducted.005 aboutDickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment.Measurements under the handle are obviously estimates.0- .0745- .08210-.09515-.11420-.12925-.14530-.16035-.17040-.18045- .18950-.21555-.23260-.25165-.27270-.29375-.30480-.31885-.34490- .37595-.375My notes show actual readings to the 85" mark. The .375 estimates comefrommy understanding that Dickerson used this as a standard buttmeasurement.Hope this helps. -- Tom /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from WayneCatt@aol.com Thu Jan 16 00:23:04 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 00:23:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Cattanachs Oven Bill -I don't have all the answers for you that I need - I use a third partyshipper and they won't even start to track items until they are 3 weeksoverdue and during this time of year I'm sending several packages eachday.The simplist for me is to ship another oven shell to you - I haveseveral here that I'm working on to assemble and can have another readybytomorrow - I will send by Fed Ex as to cut down the delivery time and getyouon line quicker - the address that I'm using is as follows: Bill Hensel4701 S. Delaware St.Englewood, CO 80110 As I'm leaving town again, I won't be around to know of the arrival -after this friday I won't be back at my computer until 1/28 - hopefullythingwill go better this time Wayne from TSmithwick@aol.com Thu Jan 16 08:20:20 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:20:18 -0600 Subject: Re: rod taper from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Thu Jan 16 08:33:31 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02408 for; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:33:29 -0600 Subject: Re: Mounting Butt Caps Karl, I use wood inserts - you're right the cork will deform after a while.I also use epoxy - get the stuff that will go soft about 300F. Then if youhave to remove the butt cap - no sweat. And I don't pin 'em.The hot style glues will creep and the butt cap will slid off or get crookedafter a lot of use. regards, Don At 10:38 15/01/97 -0500, you wrote:Need some opinions......... Up until now, my grips have been all cork with slip rings and a flared corkbutt with a butt plate. The next couple of rods are ready for the grips andI'd like to use the Struble butt cap and ring combination. In mounting a butt cap, does everyone use a wooden filler to carry thecap?Is the cork too unstable to provide a satisfactory base for gluing the capdirectly on the grip? And finally, is it necessary to pin the cap? I am assuming that one of the heat-release adhesives would be betterthanepoxy in case the cap needs to be removed. Karl Hube from whensel@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 16 08:50:41 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 06:50:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Cattanachs Oven You wrote: Bill -I don't have all the answers for you that I need - I use a third partyshipper and they won't even start to track items until they are 3 weeksoverdue and during this time of year I'm sending several packages each day.The simplist for me is to ship another oven shell to you - I haveseveral here that I'm working on to assemble and can have another ready bytomorrow - I will send by Fed Ex as to cut down the delivery time and get youon line quicker - the address that I'm using is as follows: Bill Hensel4701 S. Delaware St.Englewood, CO 80110 As I'm leaving town again, I won't be around to know of the arrival -after this friday I won't be back at my computer until 1/28 - hopefully thingwill go better this time Wayne Thanks so much Wayne for speedy reply. I had throught you used UPS, now it all makes sense. Be cool , be bad and most of all have fun. Best regards, Bill Hensel from mark@mark2.wm.edu Thu Jan 16 09:03:24 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04957 for; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:03:20 -0600 KAA17698 for rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:05:57 - Subject: first edition of Garrison's book I found a first edition of Garrison's "A Master's Guide to Building a Bamboo Flyrod" (excellent condition). Is this book worth more thanthe $70 dollars that it takes to buy a new copy? I was going to use itwhile trying to build my first rod. I would hate to mess it up (glue thepages together :) ). thanks,mark@mail.wm.edu from DANNUGENT@aol.com Thu Jan 16 12:23:43 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:23:38 -0600 Subject: oven Waynecould i trouble you for some info on the cattanachs oven. Dan from GROMBACHERA@phibred.com Thu Jan 16 15:23:13 1997 PAA06560 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:23:03-0600 15:17:44 -0600 via smap (V3.1) Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) 15:19:24 -0600 Subject: Is list down? 4.0.994.63 Hey Folks, Is the list working OK? I haven't received anything for a couple ofdays now. Alberta Al from mcreek@sirus.com Thu Jan 16 17:02:12 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14905 for; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:02:11 -0600 sirus.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA09857 for; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:01:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Mounting Butt Caps Don, Does Ferrule-(sp?)Tite creep? Brian > from DANNUGENT@aol.com Thu Jan 16 17:55:30 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:55:27 -0600 Subject: Re: Oven answers? wayne,i am trying to get everything together to build my first cane rod.so i need what ever you can supply me with.i read garrison/carmichael so that might tell you where i stand.is there a kit or drawings or how much it can be perchased for. from WayneCatt@aol.com Thu Jan 16 18:32:01 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:32:00 -0600 Subject: Trout Article fishing is like on the AuSable and Manistee at the time of the Grayrock gettogether might want to read The Budget Angler article in the wintereditionof Trout. Gee I wonder who those trout bums are in the picture???? Wayne from GLohkamp@aol.com Thu Jan 16 19:47:02 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:47:00 -0600 Subject: Tapers Hello everyone arelaid out in When tapers are presented in 5 inch stations it is not exactlyapparent where the ferrule station is ,because it does not work well withwith rod lenghts not divdable by 5. 6 inch stations would be a betterchoice.The method of working this out for me is to take for example theDickerson8013 . Dickerson tapers tend to really take a dive at the ferrule stationsthen level out some Making it look off, but its not. When you put this taper to a graph you cansee it. The mid point is at 48 in. Take the dia at 50 in (.215) and minus the dia at45 in(.189)= .026 divide by 5 the distance between the two =.005 , per 1 in. Add 3in,(.015) to station 45 =.204. Minus 2 in,(.010) from station 50 =.205.Close enough to 13/64s l'll set my froms with this in mind. l like to measure my tip section from the tip top to the ferrule and thebutt from the handle end to the ferrule.Now the ferrule l use the butt section is9/16 shorter than the tip l take this off from the handle end of the section,because in this case 9/16 would almost be .005 larger dia , if l removedit from the other end. Not to mention the lenght of the ferrule seat would addanother .005 . I think everone agrees that the least amount of materialtakenoff the ferrule station the better. This is just how l work this problem lam sure there are other ways oflookingat it but l do belive that it is real important where you cut off thesections as far as rod action goes. lf you got something to say about thisgood or bad l would like to hear it . Just looking for some input about aproblem l've been looking at for a while.Thank yougaryglohkamp@aol.com 8013 New settings 0 .072 0 .0725 .082 5 .08210 .095 10 .095 15 .114 15 .11420 .130 20 .130 25 .145 25 .14530 .160 30 .16035 .170 35 .170 40 .180 40 .180 45 .189 + .015 = .204 at 48 in. 45 .18950 .215 -- .010 = .205 at 48 in. 48 .204 55 .232 48 .205 60 .251 46 .21565 .272 40 .323 70 .293 35 .251 75 .304 30 .29380 .318 25 .30485 .344 20 .31890 .360 15 .34495 .360 10 .36096 .360 5 .3600 .360 from WayneCatt@aol.com Thu Jan 16 20:14:00 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:13:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Is list down? Al -They say in theory that the principles of electricity will break down atabsolute zero - perhaps with your move into the further north country youmaybe encroaching upon that threshold. Hows the TV reception been????? Wayne from WayneCatt@aol.com Thu Jan 16 20:44:07 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:44:05 -0600 Subject: Re: Oven answers? Dan -I don't know how long that you have been on the list but I can offeryou alot of information -The first is a suppliers list that might help you in your quest forfinding itemsIn my book is shared how I made an electric oven that is what someofthe current posts have been aboutI am also working to provide a binder kit - this was originally an Grayrock 97 (aka Grayling, MI) the annual get together - June 20 - 21(officially) - June 13 - 21 (unofficially) - approximately 50 rod makersgettogether to have a good time - cast rods - fish - hands on demos - allbambooBook "Handcrafting Bamboo Fly Rods"Video by same name - 3 1/2 hours Send an address and I can send the list and other information Wayne CattanachCasnovia, MI616 - 675 - 5894 from DANNUGENT@aol.com Thu Jan 16 22:09:46 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:09:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Oven answers? Waynei just signed on a couple of days ago and taking in so much info. Dan Nugent230 Brickyard Rd.Manchester,Pa. 17345717-266-6024 from FISHWOOL@aol.com Thu Jan 16 22:27:40 1997 ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:27:38 -0600 Subject: Re: Tapers Gary,I usually cut my original strips at least 1 5" station longer than theferrule station. That way the taper should take care of the ferrule stationdiameter. This is done for both tip and butt.Hank. from freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Fri Jan 17 07:31:46 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23072 for; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 07:31:45 -0600 Subject: Payne tapers Hellow all,I'm thinking about building a Payne taper for my next rod. Does anyonehave experience with the 100 or 101 models? Is there someone out therewhocould provide me with the tapers themselves? I'm also still looking fora Leonard 38 L taper. Thanks v. much,--mark Mark M. Freed, Ph.DDepartment of English Language and LiteratureCentral Michigan Universityfreedmar@pilot.msu.edu from rbarch@remc8.k12.mi.us Fri Jan 17 10:48:12 1997 KAA05631 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:48:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Payne tapers At 08:31 AM 1/17/97 -0500, you wrote:Hellow all,I'm thinking about building a Payne taper for my next rod. Does anyonehave experience with the 100 or 101 models? Is there someone out therewhocould provide me with the tapers themselves? I'm also still looking fora Leonard 38 L taper. Thanks v. much,--mark Mark M. Freed, Ph.DDepartment of English Language and LiteratureCentral Michigan Universityfreedmar@pilot.msu.edu Mark Give me a call at home and I think I can help out. I live inHastings, MI numbers in the book. Ron Barch from FFer4trout@aol.com Fri Jan 17 12:17:53 1997 ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:17:50 -0600 Subject: Ferrule repairs? Since it's very slow in the group, I thought I'd pose a restoration question. I've got a nice higher-end Heddon rod (3/2) that a (adjectives deleted)former owner has messed up - big time. A Weber 2500 (~ Model 35) withbrightNS ferrules vs the japaned ferrules as used in Heddon's own line. Details: The butt's female has a dent (half way down) and also its welt has beenpushed down about an 1/8" from the ferrule end. Finally, most of the rod's ferrules are suffering the prerequisite "just usesome pliers" dig-marks also. Does anyone know of someone that can remove the dent in the NS ferrule?Maybealso polish out some of the plier marks and move the hand- welting backintoplace? I'd reelly don't want to replace the ferrules with modern Swiss or anyothernon-original ferrules. Any ideas anyone? Thx, Don Burns PS - Our FF club's guest speaker last night was Brian O'Keefe (out of Bend,Oregon) with his presentation on FFing in the NW - should be seen by all.Damn, I'm suffering from envy today. My local bow's are all "bait" size.Maybe I'll be able to talk the wife into moving up there, "californicating"Oregon (that's Ore e gun, boy) a little more. What the heck, we're not CA natives anyways. from 100423.176@CompuServe.COM Fri Jan 17 15:28:31 1997 PAA27075 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:28:30-0600 Subject: Blackenning NS Is there a best stuff, for blackenning NS rings, butt caps, etc.? from GLohkamp@aol.com Fri Jan 17 17:20:41 1997 ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:20:38 -0600 Subject: Re: Blackenning NS l like David LeClairs nickle silver oxidizer. lt is extremely toxic, and careshould be taken ,in its use David can be reached at P.O Box 565- Bonta lane .Elbridge,New York,13060PH, 315-689-7896. He has many other products that are worth looking at,toinclude n\s tubing for ferrules, slide bands and butt caps.good luck Gary from wfmack@evansville.net Fri Jan 17 17:52:27 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08620 for; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:52:24 -0600 (Smail3.2 #15) id m0vlO55-000hz3C; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:52:19 - Subject: Re: Ferrules for quads Bill Fink wrote: To mark, 1/14/97You ask about ferrules for quads. For us ordinary mortals the bestansweris to go one piece nodeless and buy a van. Works great! Bill FinkAh, you have touched upon a topic I'd like to get opinions on; its more of a flyfishing.rec question, but perhaps people will enjoy thinking about it anyway. It's a variation of "what is the best fishing vehicle?" The question is: What is the best vehicle (or the best way) to carry your rod put together and fully rigged as you go place to place? I started out thinking about a pickup with a metal frame like you see that they keep conduit in with a cap and lock. Of course, there would be some bouncing around, which might not be so good, so I thought about padding inside it. This eventually evolving into an unrequited lust for a chevy suburban. Are there shorter vehicles that would allow such inside storage? A Volvo wagon would, but I was thinking of something higher off the ground and 4 wheelish. Finally, I hasten to note I'm not thinking of leaving a cane rod dangling this way, lest someone have a heart attack out there.Bill Mack from GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDU Fri Jan 17 18:50:33 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11449 for; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:50:31 -0600 #19314) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, Subject: TEST Excuse me to everyone. Haven't received posting in a couple of days justchecking my server. Thank-you from dcanny@mhtc.net Fri Jan 17 20:03:39 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14271 for; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:03:37 -0600 pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA29766 for Subject: Rod info My friend Mike just got a project rod, a DS & K 10', ns seat, looks like a production rod. Can anyone give me some history on this maker. Thanks in advance. David from SealRite@aol.com Fri Jan 17 20:36:14 1997 ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:36:12 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools I read your post on the bamboo tool and the reference to the video tape ofthe Leonard facility. Is there anyway to get a copy of the tape, or do youknow who I could contact? Thanks, Craig Anderson from SealRite@aol.com Fri Jan 17 20:40:45 1997 ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:40:43 -0600 Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? Bob Mariotts number is 714-525-1827email = Http://www.bobmarriotts.com Craig from flyh2o@mtsi.com Sat Jan 18 01:36:04 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA27360 for; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:36:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrule repairs? At 01:17 PM 1/17/97 -0500, you wrote: Don Burns PS - Our FF club's guest speaker last night was Brian O'Keefe (out ofBend,Oregon) with his presentation on FFing in the NW - should be seen by all.Damn, I'm suffering from envy today. My local bow's are all "bait" size.Maybe I'll be able to talk the wife into moving up there, "californicating"Oregon (that's Ore e gun, boy) a little more. What the heck, we're not CA natives anyways. Sorry, new immigration rules went into effect January 1. The "TOOI" (TwoOut, One In) principal is in effect to restore the natural populationdistribution. Mike Leitheiser "When the trout are lost, smash the state."Tom McGuane from WayneCatt@aol.com Sat Jan 18 10:07:56 1997 ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:07:54 -0600 Subject: Rod Transport Bill -The 6' 3" 2 - piece that I fish fits nicely on the dash of the truck -Just pull it apart and throw it up there - no need for a case - if anyoneasks - just tell them that you are testing the durability of the glue,or thefinish, or some nonsense like that. The rod has outlasted a couple of Chevytrucks at around 200,000 miles each. Wayne from WayneCatt@aol.com Sat Jan 18 10:08:29 1997 ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:08:27 -0600 Subject: Re: Oven answers? Dan -What follows is the list of suppliers that I used in my book - with afewupdates - I will mail(ground) drawings of planing forms - the style Irecommend has changed a bit since I wrote the book - do you know abouttheshow next weekend in Somerset, NJ?? WayneADHESIVES Nelson PaintP. O. Box 907Iron Mountain, MI 49801906 - 774 - 5566(URAC - 185) Nyatex2112 IndustrialHowell, MI 48843517 - 546 - 4046Bill Hulbert(10EH008/10E007) BAMBOO Charles H Demarest IncP. O. Box 238Bloomingdale, NJ 07403201 - 492 - 1414Harold & Eileen Demarest BINDER William Olsen26121 Lawrence RoadCharlottesville, VA 22901804 - 973 - 0896(Beautiful Brass Garrison Style) BUBBLE BUSTER Angler's WorkshopP. O. Box 10101350 Atlantic AveWoodland, WA 98674206 - 225 - 9445Jim Britt CORK C & D TradingP. O. Box 21072Minneapolis, MN 55421612 - 571 - 3832Christ Kishish FERRULES BelvoirdaleP. O. Box 176Wyncote, PA 19095 - 0176215 - 886 - 7211Grahame Maisey Classic Sporting EntFitch Hill RoadRoaring Brook RoadRFD #3 Box #3Barton, VT 05822802 - 525 - 3623 Cortland - RodonP. O. Box 5588Cortland, NY 13045607 - 756 - 2851 FINGERNAIL BIT Cascade Tools IncP. O. Box 3110Bellingham, WA800 - 235 - 0272(Part # C- 1215) MACHINIST TOOLS Manhattan Supply Company151 Sunnyside BlvdLong Island, NY 11803800 - 645 - 7270 EMCO5000 West BloomingdaleChicago, IL 60639800 - 860 - 3400 MICA STRIP HEATERS Grand Technologies4616 44th StreetGrand Rapids, MI 49512616 - 940 - 3345Dan Schroeder MISC ROD COMPONENTS AER6551 Clark RoadBath, MI 48808517 - 641 - 7277Al Rohen(Tax License Required) NICKEL SILVER Corey SteelP. O. Box 5605Chicago, IL 60680312 - 242 - 3000 THREADS John K Burch Co40 Cherry S. W.Grand Rapids, MI 49507616 - 459 - 8111(Glace Cotton 24/4 for tips - 16/4 for butts) Hobby World2851 Clyde ParkWyoming, MI 49506616 - 538 - 6130(75# braided kite string for drive belts) 3 - JAW WOOD LATHE CHUCK Grizzly Imports, Inc.P. O. Box 2069Bellingham, WA 98227800 - 541 - 5537 PLANE BLADES The Japan Woodworker1731 Clement AveAlameda, CA 94501800 - 537 - 7820 (Hock Blade) Garrett Wade161 Avenue of the AmericasNew York, NY 10013212 - 807 - 1757(Hock Blades) PLANING FORMS Frank Armbruster18599 East LouisannaAurora, CO 80017303 - 745 - 1353(Push - Pull Style) Lon Blauvelt15 Town Landing RoadFalmouth, ME 04105207 - 781 - 5235(Push - Pull Style) SCRAPERS Lie - Nielsen ToolworksP. O. Box #9Warren, ME 04864207 - 273 - 2520Tom Lie - Nielsen(Reproduction #212) The Japan Woodworker1731 Clement AveAlameda, CA 94501800 - 537 - 7820(Reproduction #212) WATERSTONES The Japan Woodworker1731 Clement AveAlameda, CA 94501800 - 537 - 7820(King 1000/6000 combo) from GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDU Sat Jan 18 10:49:03 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16164 for; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:49:02 -0600 #19314) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, Subject: Test again Pardon me again. i still think i'm having some problems. if this makes itto the list could a couple of folks reply. thanks in advancegerald(jerry)johnsongjflyfsh@uwyo.edu from FFer4trout@aol.com Sat Jan 18 11:23:24 1997 ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:23:23 -0600 Subject: Re: Test again reply from mcreek@sirus.com Sat Jan 18 11:59:25 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18634 for; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:59:24 -0600 sirus.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25834 for; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:58:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Test again Hiya, GJFLYFSH,How's the weather out by the Medicine Bows? from santiago@ricochet.net Sat Jan 18 12:10:26 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18979 for; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:10:25 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Test again GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDU wrote: Pardon me again. i still think i'm having some problems. if this makes itto the list could a couple of folks reply. thanks in advancegerald(jerry)johnsongjflyfsh@uwyo.edurreading you loud and clear... from mrj@seanet.com Sat Jan 18 13:35:24 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21221 for; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:35:23 -0600 mx.seanet.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01399 for Subject: Re: Test again Organization: Seanet to what? reply -- Martin Jensen from fiveside@net-gate.com Sat Jan 18 19:01:31 1997 TAA00701 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:01:30-0600 UAA19612 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:01:27 Subject: Tapers II Hi Gary(glohkamp) 1/18/96Am sending this via the list to perhaps stir things up in this winteryfreeze. In your Jan. 16 message you made some important points: 1. 6 inch stations (rather than 5) were the accepted way to go before GAC(Garrison and computers) because they fit our foot/inches conventions. 2. When a taper is plotted on a curve, you can best VISUALIZE it and youcando anything you wish with it, like convert from 5 to 6 inch stations orreverse, or to define the butt end as Zero station. Calling the tip stationthe Zero station is nonsense.(except to computers). We don't build rodsthatway.3. The missing 9/16 inch due to ferrule non-equality is the big hush-hushofthe taper world.Nine more weeks to spring. Bill Fink from DANNUGENT@aol.com Sun Jan 19 08:09:49 1997 ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 08:09:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Oven answers? Wayne yes we will make the trek on saturday.are you going ? what could be the name of your book ? thank youDan from FISHWOOL@aol.com Sun Jan 19 09:51:46 1997 ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:51:45 -0600 Subject: Re: Payne tapers Marc,I've just glued up a Payne 102-8' for a 5. I haven't cast it yetbut its action shows a fairly stiff tip and mid with action down towardthebutt. I got it out of George Maurer's book.Ron should have it when you talkto him. Have fun.Hank Woolman. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Sun Jan 19 09:51:47 1997 ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:51:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Tapers II Bill,I graph all my tapers starting the tip at 0". 5',6" 31/2"-it don't hardly make no never mind as as long as you'reconsistent in your spacing and know where you are at all times. I, too amstill a little wary of the computer program(maybe because I can't get thedarn thing to open on this contrary machine).Hank. from WayneCatt@aol.com Sun Jan 19 11:07:44 1997 ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:07:41 -0600 Subject: Re: Oven answers? Dan -Sat & Sun morning I conduct a bamboo rodmaking workshop - but will befreein afternoons "Handcrafting Bamboo Fly Rods" - book & 3 1/2 hr video Hope to see you there Wayne from parkerdh@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Sun Jan 19 15:34:44 1997 PAA02808 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:34:43-0600 5.64/4.03) Subject: Re: Cork I would be interested in knowing what responses you got to your query. Iordered 1,000 rings 2 or so years ago from C&D together with anotherrodmaker from Seattle. I would still be interested in acquiring some,perhaps in a joint order with others. I have some samples from PACE inFlorida. Expensive but worth trying I thought. Let me know. David Parker On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Dev Emch wrote: Does anyone know an excellent source for cork! I wantthe really top grade stuff in those big bags. Need towork on a few rod handles. Also, who is the best source for wraping silk incool colors. from FFer4trout@aol.com Sun Jan 19 17:42:13 1997 ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:42:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Blackenning NS In a message dated 97-01-17 16:44:09 EST, you write: Subj: Blackenning NSDate: 97-01-17 16:44:09 ESTFrom: 100423.176@CompuServe.COM (Ltc George Richardson)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Is there a best stuff, for blackenning NS rings, butt caps, etc.? Since NS is a white brass you can use Birchwood Casey Brass Black too.Brownell's carries it. Doesn't even require the parts to be removed fromtherod. Cover with lacquer or varnish, if not, the color will go brown withtime. Heddon "blued" ferrules were japaned and Brownell's also carries thecoloredlacquers too. Don Burns from FFer4trout@aol.com Sun Jan 19 17:42:16 1997 ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:42:15 -0600 Subject: Used Planes? I ran by the local swap-meet and looked at some used planes. Since I'mjustworking my way into this field, I'm not sure of the going rate. One was a low-angle Stanley with a $25.00 asking price, is this a goodprice? A second one didn't have any markings except for # 619-3700 and "Made inUSA", asking price $6.00. This one had a more "normal" blade angle. Usefulatall? Is there a good source book to help a real novice learn how to setup aplane.I might be good at electronics and stuff, but being an ace in wood shopwasn't one of my past skills. I've seen a few threads here in the group andhave Wayne's book, but that not much detail for a non-wood expert like me.Ineed more help that "adjust it to a cut of .005" with a throat opening of.014" - .020". The only other thing of interest that I found at the meet was a small batchof chrome stripper guides. The guides have nice small ring sizes -smallestones have an O.D. of ~ 0.043". A few are high-ring mount, others arelow-mount style as found on lots of old rods. I should be able to put themtouse on some rod restorations. Anyone ever hear of "Allen" guides? Its stamped into a few of the guides Ibought. That's a new name for me. Don B. from freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Mon Jan 20 06:46:39 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27817 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 06:46:38 -0600 Subject: palnes Don B, The plane I (and I think most others) find most useful is a Stanley 91/2.Two things seem important here: 1). the blade angle. The one you foundwas alow angle, and many think it has a tendency to tear cane. The blade inthe 9 1/2 is "bedded" as 20 degrees. with a 30degree bevel on thefront of the balde you wind up with about 50 degree angle of approach.The low-angle is bedded at 12 1/2 degrees and gives an angle ofapproach at 42 1/2, which digs in quite a bit. 2). The other feature you need is an adjustable throat (the slot inthe sole through which the blade travels.) WIthout this the bladetends to do two things: it chatters (hops up and down as it passesover the cane) and it also digs in. A small opening of .010 or lesshelps control how far down into the cane the blade will cut. I don't see why you couldn't experiment with a low angle plane. It mightwork for you. What I have found is that the whole trick to planing cane istobe able to control very precisely the removal of material. The 9 1/2 helpswith that in the ways I have noted. They are about $45 new, so you canestimate a good deal from that. (In my opinion, the plane is a prettyimportant part of the process, and it is not a place where I would try tosavemoney. It is quite likely that you could find a used one, but I guess Iwouldn't buy some other model because it was cheap.) hope that helps take out some of the mystery, --Mark M. Freed,Ph.D Department of English Language and Literature Central MichiganUniversityfreedmar@pilot.msu.edu from JCZIMNY@dol.net Mon Jan 20 07:37:19 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA29170 for ;Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:37:18 - 0600 Subject: Re: palnes Mark M Freed wrote: Don B, The plane I (and I think most others) find most useful is a Stanley 91/2.Two things seem important here: 1). the blade angle. The one you foundwas alow angle, and many think it has a tendency to tear cane. The blade inthe 9 1/2 is "bedded" as 20 degrees. with a 30degree bevel on thefront of the balde you wind up with about 50 degree angle of approach.The low-angle is bedded at 12 1/2 degrees and gives an angle ofapproach at 42 1/2, which digs in quite a bit. 2). The other feature you need is an adjustable throat (the slot inthe sole through which the blade travels.) WIthout this the bladetends to do two things: it chatters (hops up and down as it passesover the cane) and it also digs in. A small opening of .010 or lesshelps control how far down into the cane the blade will cut. I don't see why you couldn't experiment with a low angle plane. Itmightwork for you. What I have found is that the whole trick to planing caneis tobe able to control very precisely the removal of material. The 9 1/2helpswith that in the ways I have noted. They are about $45 new, so you canestimate a good deal from that. (In my opinion, the plane is a prettyimportant part of the process, and it is not a place where I would try tosavemoney. It is quite likely that you could find a used one, but I guess Iwouldn't buy some other model because it was cheap.) hope that helps take out some of the mystery, --Mark M. Freed,Ph.D Department of English Language and Literature Central MichiganUniversityfreedmar@pilot.msu.edu Because the blade in a block plane is set in the bevel up position, it has to act as its own chip breaker. The angle at which it is ground becames perhaps all- important. Grind the bevel so that the included angle of the bevel and the bed of the plane is between 50 and 55 degrees. Any more than this and the blade will not cut - it will scrape. Much less than 50 degrees and it will begin to "lift" the material that it is cutting. A block plane was never intended to cut cane. Its primary use is to plane end grain. This requires a fairly low angle, particularly in softwoods, so as not to "crush" the grain while trying to cut. John from Barry_Demmers@radian.com Mon Jan 20 07:48:46 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA29429 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:48:43 -0600 HAA27306 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:48:15-0600 (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 6) Enterprise) id 0001FB3E; Mon, 20Jan 97 07:47:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Test again You're back on. ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: Test againAuthor: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu at Internet Pardon me again. i still think i'm having some problems. if this makes it to the list could a couple of folks reply. thanks in advance gerald(jerry)johnsongjflyfsh@uwyo.edu from rbrown@infocom.net Mon Jan 20 08:49:27 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02359 for ;Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:49:24 -0600 login1.infocom.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA02190 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:51:10 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Test again You made it!!!! from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Mon Jan 20 09:13:35 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03126 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:13:32 -0600 Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:13:27 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: palnes (fwd) Hi, I might just add something here, /*********** Lots sniped out up to here *****************/ 2). The other feature you need is an adjustable throat (the slot inthe sole through which the blade travels.) WIthout this the bladetends to do two things: it chatters (hops up and down as it passesover the cane) and it also digs in. A small opening of .010 or lesshelps control how far down into the cane the blade will cut. The adjustable throat does all the above, but also one other inportant shaving curls and lifts up. If the throat is set wide, the shaving is able to lift excessively and will tear beacause of the force behind the driving blade. The narrow throat causes the shaving to "break" and curl. That's why even if you set the iron with a thin set but wide throat it'll give a ragged cut with obvious tears. recomend buying one if you ever come across a used one 'cause like most things, they just aren't made like that anymore. Don't forget the Hock blade. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from whensel@ix.netcom.com Mon Jan 20 09:44:23 1997 ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:44:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Test again You wrote: You're back on. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________Subject: Test againAuthor: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu at InternetDate: 1/18/97 09:48 AM Pardon me again. i still think i'm having some problems. if this makes it to the list could a couple of folks reply. thanks in advance gerald(jerry)johnsongjflyfsh@uwyo.edu Soulmates are forever out of reach because they dont exist. Bill from preflat@psci.net Mon Jan 20 09:56:41 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05031 for ;Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:56:40 - 0600 psci.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA17735 for Subject: Re: Test again it is working! Steve Preflatish-------------------------------------E-mail: preflat@psci.net Time: 10:52:53------------------------------------- from bootstrap@earthlink.net Mon Jan 20 10:47:35 1997 KAA07667 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:47:34-0600 IAA09845 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:47:27 Subject: Re: Test again Yes, it's getting to Colorado at least. Frank from jlintve1@ic3.ithaca.edu Mon Jan 20 11:48:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10757 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:47:56 -0600 Subject: Just a question Priority: normalComments: Authenticated sender is I am new to this whole thing. I have been making graphite rods for quite some time, and I have restored bamboo rods for a bit. I love working with wood and with my hands so i think this is the next logical step. I have not met a person yet that has unlimited funds so please understand. I am wondering if there was one book you would recommend to someone just starting into this world? I appreciate you responses in advance.Jon Lintvet from dkatz@artorg.hmc.psu.edu Mon Jan 20 12:18:30 1997 MAA12442 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:18:25-0600 ernie.artorg.hmc.psu.edu (4.1/1.34) 0500 Subject: How to unsubscribe? =_NextPart_000_01BC06D4.83BD83C0" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC06D4.83BD83C0 Hope this doesn't raise the ire of to many people. I'm leaving my presentemployer(Yea :), and need clean out my mailing list before I go. It has been a pleasure. 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I'm getting quite a bit of charring (on the pith and abit on the sides) and a little smoke before I can feel the joint going soft.Is that normal? Won't it make the node brittle on the finished rod? I setthe heat gun at the high setting (1000 I believe), hold the strip about aninch away and rotate the pith side for a little over a minute. Lower heat appreciated. from JCZIMNY@dol.net Mon Jan 20 14:17:28 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19146 for ;Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:17:27 - 0600 Subject: Re: heating nodes JHecht9234@aol.com wrote: How much charring is acceptable when you're heating nodes forstraightening/vising? I'm getting quite a bit of charring (on the pith andabit on the sides) and a little smoke before I can feel the joint going soft.Is that normal? Won't it make the node brittle on the finished rod? Isetthe heat gun at the high setting (1000 I believe), hold the strip about aninch away and rotate the pith side for a little over a minute. Lower heat beappreciated. None.John Zimny from GLohkamp@aol.com Mon Jan 20 16:58:24 1997 ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:58:23 -0600 Subject: Re: heating nodes Sounds like these nodes are giving you a bad time . You are right it ispossible to over cook the node just like the rest of the rod . couple thingsthat were shown to me that really help are . l now like to plane my strips square first , making them all about 1/4 inwide .It takes alot less heat to make a 1/4 in soft than 1/2 in. Besidesplaning the sides square smooths out some of the kinks. Plane the pithsideand dress the nodes , then go to the heat gun . l also like to use a nodepress . I use a hot plate for this and l get only a slight browning on the strip. good luck Gary from mcreek@sirus.com Mon Jan 20 18:33:15 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01584 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:33:13 -0600 sirus.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10302 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:31:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Blackenning NS I don't know if it works with N/S, but for reproduction or periodfurniture I blacken brass as follows: Remove lacquer coating with appropriate solvent (usually lacquerthinner) and rinse with warm water. Blot dry. Make a solution of twotablespoons of salt to each cup of warm water needed to cover your brasswork. Fill a sealable container about 1/3 full of ammonia (I use thekind for blueprint machines - be careful here and do this outside-it isheinous stuff!!)dip brasses in saltwater bath and then suspend ABOVE theammonia on a piece if mono or wire. Out the lid on the container andGENTLY heat it up with your heat gun. The ammonia fumes will increasein concentration and the brass will darken. After a minute or two dipthe work in the salt bath again and repeat the process. Keep doing thisuntil you get the color you want. Dip in salt water one more time andallow to dry. Remember to exercise due caution with the ammonia!!! I buff the high areas of brass with x-fine steel wool to simulate wear.I'm told that unscrupulous antique dealers in New England refined thisto fool well-to- do and gullible New Yorkers. Let me know if anyone tries this with nickle silver. FWIW Brian > from mcreek@sirus.com Mon Jan 20 18:46:05 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02305 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:46:04 -0600 sirus.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10517 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:44:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Used Planes? Don B. I come from a long line of old-style patternmakers, and sort of grewuparound this stuff. Mostly it is practice, but practice the rightthings!! Buy "PlaneCraft" it is a small, old booklet written before electricsurface planers and is the best, if you can find it. Otherwise, TauntonPress, in their Fine Woodworking On. . . series has a book, "FineWoodworking on Planes and Chisels. $9.95 from Fine Woodworking1-800-225-1153. Wayne's advice to get the Hock Replacement Blades is sound. Vibration from thin blades expresses itself as "chatter" and leaves a washboardsurface. Hock blades really reduce this. Set your web browser to "Stanley Planes" and follow some of the links. You'll learn a bunch of good stuff. Like some used planes are worththousands of dollars! Brian > from mcreek@sirus.com Mon Jan 20 19:07:07 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03379 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:07:06 -0600 sirus.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA10896 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:05:48 -0500 Subject: Rod Case Poissibilities Hey All - I've posted Woodcraft as a source for stuff before (& no, I'm notworkin' for them or anything), but the NEW catalog just got here andWOW!(You can tell your getting older when a tool catalog and your wife'sVictoria's Secret catalog arrive on the same day and you don't look atthe VS catalog until you're carrying it out to the recycling bin. What's next, bifocals?)Two things really caught my eye. 1) Fancy wood turning blanks - 42 species of native and exotic woodinmany sizes for reel seat spacers, etc. 2) Hollowood Veneered Tubes - 1/8 inch wall-thickness plywoodtubes upto 8 feet long and in diameters (ID, OD??) from 1.25 - 4 inches; inpoplar, walnut, red oak, padauk, zebrawood, and purpleheart. I'm going to order a couple and get back with the list after I evaluate,but I think I've found a new rod case "blank". Has anybody tried thesetubes? Brian > from rbarch@remc8.k12.mi.us Mon Jan 20 20:09:01 1997 UAA06689 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:09:00-0600 Subject: Re: Just a question At 12:47 PM 1/20/97 +0000, you wrote:I am new to this whole thing. I have been making graphite rods for quite some time, and I have restored bamboo rods for a bit. I love working with wood and with my hands so i think this is the next logical step. I have not met a person yet that has unlimited funds so please understand. I am wondering if there was one book you would recommend to someone just starting into this world? I appreciate you responses in advance.Jon Lintvet Jon, I don't think you can beat the old standby "Garrison". there are alot of things that many do not agree with in the book but there are morethings that all rodmakers find useful in Garrison. Does that makesense????Probably the best you can do is to find a mentor. Send me your zip codeand I will try to connect you with someone. Ron Barch ps Ray Gould has a new book out this spring which should be top notch. from rbarch@remc8.k12.mi.us Mon Jan 20 20:09:08 1997 UAA06699 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:09:07-0600 Subject: Re: heating nodes At 03:13 PM 1/20/97 -0500, you wrote:JHecht9234@aol.com wrote: How much charring is acceptable when you're heating nodes forstraightening/vising? I'm getting quite a bit of charring (on the pithand abit on the sides) and a little smoke before I can feel the joint goingsoft.Is that normal? Won't it make the node brittle on the finished rod? Isetthe heat gun at the high setting (1000 I believe), hold the strip about aninch away and rotate the pith side for a little over a minute. Lowerheat beappreciated. None.John Zimny To John Zimny....John how do you really feel????Is there some mysticaldeepsecret in your message??? Ron Barch from rbarch@remc8.k12.mi.us Mon Jan 20 20:09:15 1997 UAA06711 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:09:14-0600 Subject: Re: heating nodes At 05:58 PM 1/20/97 -0500, you wrote: Sounds like these nodes are giving you a bad time . You are right it ispossible to over cook the node just like the rest of the rod . couple thingsthat were shown to me that really help are . l now like to plane my strips square first , making them all about 1/4 inwide .It takes alot less heat to make a 1/4 in soft than 1/2 in. Besidesplaning the sides square smooths out some of the kinks. Plane the pithsideand dress the nodes , then go to the heat gun . l also like to use a nodepress . I use a hot plate for this and l get only a slight browning on the strip. good luck Gary Try John Bokstrom method of saoking the strips in water overnite....NO IAMCRAZY.......It really works. John's blonde rods never show any scorching.When you heat the wet strips the water dries out and the strip becomessoft. Ron Barch from rbarch@remc8.k12.mi.us Mon Jan 20 20:09:25 1997 UAA06728 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:09:24-0600 Subject: Re: heating nodes Sounds like these nodes are giving you a bad time . You are right it ispossible to over cook the node just like the rest of the rod . couple thingsthat were shown to me that really help are . l now like to plane my strips square first , making them all about 1/4 inwide .It takes alot less heat to make a 1/4 in soft than 1/2 in. Besidesplaning the sides square smooths out some of the kinks. Plane the pithsideand dress the nodes , then go to the heat gun . l also like to use a nodepress . I use a hot plate for this and l get only a slight browning on the strip. good luck Gary from mcreek@sirus.com Mon Jan 20 20:29:44 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07526 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:29:42 -0600 sirus.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA12414 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:28:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Rod Case Poissibilities Woodcraft's # is 1-800/225-1153website is www.woodcraft.com Brian > from jsbond@inforamp.net Mon Jan 20 21:11:05 1997 VAA09310 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:11:04-0600 WAA12554 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:10:57 Subject: Re: first edition of Garrison's book Yup, Your book is worth perhaps twice as much. JBAt 10:05 16/01/97 -0500, you wrote:I found a first edition of Garrison's "A Master's Guide to Building a Bamboo Flyrod" (excellent condition). Is this book worth more thanthe $70 dollars that it takes to buy a new copy? I was going to use itwhile trying to build my first rod. I would hate to mess it up (glue thepages together :) ). thanks,mark@mail.wm.edu James Bond, Toronto, Canada Fax (416) 444-8380E-Mail jsbond@inforamp.net from plipton@sunvalley.net Mon Jan 20 23:54:16 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15341 for; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:54:13 -0600 (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11203) with SMTP id AAA271 0700 Organization: Sun Valley Rods Subject: Re: Used Planes? Don B. Brian's comments seem pretty good on planes. There is another bookcalled "The Complete Guide to Sharpening" by Leonard Lee, published byTaunton Press (Fine Woodworking). There is a well illustrated chapter onplanes as well as other chapters on blade angles and sharpening methods. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Philip Lipton PO Box 1003, Sun Valley, ID 83353208-726-9559, 208-622-8585 Fax 208-726- 0191~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from FFer4trout@aol.com Tue Jan 21 06:25:58 1997 ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:25:57 -0600 Subject: Re: Used Planes? In a message dated 97-01-20 19:57:24 EST, you write: Subj: Re: Used Planes?Date: 97-01-20 19:57:24 ESTFrom: mcreek@sirus.com (brian & michelle creek)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Don B. I come from a long line of old-style patternmakers, and sort of grewuparound this stuff. Mostly it is practice, but practice the rightthings!! Buy "PlaneCraft" it is a small, old booklet written before electricsurface planers and is the best, if you can find it. Otherwise, TauntonPress, in their Fine Woodworking On. . . series has a book, "FineWoodworking on Planes and Chisels. $9.95 from Fine Woodworking1-800-225-1153. Wayne's advice to get the Hock Replacement Blades is sound. Vibration from thin blades expresses itself as "chatter" and leaves a washboardsurface. Hock blades really reduce this. Set your web browser to "Stanley Planes" and follow some of the links. You'll learn a bunch of good stuff. Like some used planes are worththousands of dollars! Brian > Thanks, this is what I've been looking for. Now if I say up real late, I might be able log on and use AOL's WEB brouser---- - unlimited access my butt. Since Dec. it's flashsession e-mail at4:30am or I'm locked out. Looks like its time to look for a local accesscompany. Don from DANNUGENT@aol.com Tue Jan 21 08:34:01 1997 ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:33:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Oven answers? Waynewhat time is the workshop?is there still room and how much? thanks for the list.Dan from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Tue Jan 21 09:49:39 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08987 for; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:49:35 -0600 JAA12532 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:49:34 Subject: Re: Used Planes? I have bought several planes (woodworking and rodbuilding) fromPatrick Leach, and old-tool dealer in Massachusetts. You can expectto get a nice old block plane showing normal wear'n'tear but completelyserviceable for ~$25. He ships the plane to you, you can look it over and either pay him or send it back. You can reach him at leach@intool.com.Mint ones are more; beaters are less. The old planes have better machining and better steel in the bladesthan the new ones. There are a lot of good old brands besides Stanley:Miller Falls, Sargent, etc. that are usually a few $$ less because Stanleys are collected. If you have Web access, you can scan the "oldtools" newsgroup. Once amonth, several tool dealers post lists of stuff they have for sale.Leach is among them. I think its the first Tuesday but I'm not sure.ckeck it out at http://mailmunch.law.cornell.edu/mhonarc/OLDTOOLS .......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@csd.uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Sun, 19 Jan 1997 FFer4trout@aol.com wrote: I ran by the local swap-meet and looked at some used planes. Since I'mjustworking my way into this field, I'm not sure of the going rate. One was a low-angle Stanley with a $25.00 asking price, is this a goodprice? A second one didn't have any markings except for # 619-3700 and "MadeinUSA", asking price $6.00. This one had a more "normal" blade angle.Useful atall? from rickcunn@tenet.edu Tue Jan 21 12:39:34 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25286 for; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:39:33 -0600 Subject: Re: Used Planes? On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 FFer4trout@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 97-01-20 19:57:24 EST, you write: Subj: Re: Used Planes?Date: 97-01-20 19:57:24 ESTFrom: mcreek@sirus.com (brian & michelle creek)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Don B. I come from a long line of old-style patternmakers, and sort of grewuparound this stuff. Mostly it is practice, but practice the rightthings!! Buy "PlaneCraft" it is a small, old booklet written before electricsurface planers and is the best, if you can find it. Otherwise, TauntonPress, in their Fine Woodworking On. . . series has a book, "FineWoodworking on Planes and Chisels. $9.95 from Fine Woodworking1-800-225-1153. Wayne's advice to get the Hock Replacement Blades is sound. Vibration from thin blades expresses itself as "chatter" and leaves a washboardsurface. Hock blades really reduce this. Set your web browser to "Stanley Planes" and follow some of the links. You'll learn a bunch of good stuff. Like some used planes are worththousands of dollars! Brian > Thanks, this is what I've been looking for. Now if I say up real late, I might be able log on and use AOL's WEBbrouser----- unlimited access my butt. Since Dec. it's flashsession e-mail at4:30am or I'm locked out. Looks like its time to look for a local accesscompany. DonWhere is the best source for Hock blades?> from JCZIMNY@dol.net Tue Jan 21 16:21:08 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17724 for ;Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:21:03 - 0600 Subject: Re: heating nodes Ronald J. Barch wrote: At 03:13 PM 1/20/97 -0500, you wrote:JHecht9234@aol.com wrote: How much charring is acceptable when you're heating nodes forstraightening/vising? I'm getting quite a bit of charring (on the pithand abit on the sides) and a little smoke before I can feel the joint goingsoft.Is that normal? Won't it make the node brittle on the finished rod? Isetthe heat gun at the high setting (1000 I believe), hold the strip aboutaninch away and rotate the pith side for a little over a minute. Lowerheat beappreciated. None.John Zimny To John Zimny....John how do you really feel????Is there some mysticaldeepsecret in your message??? Ron Barch Yes, ofcourse, it takes less heat to straighten or flatten a node than it does to char it or even "brown" it. If you've done either then the spline is ruined and should not be put into the rod. When needs to be acquired, is a feel for the cane and how it handles as you work with it.All one need to do to sucessfully straighten node without ruining them is to build a lot of rods. Then you'll know (in the manner of Chomsky) in the deepest sense.John from mcreek@sirus.com Tue Jan 21 18:22:19 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25400 for; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:22:18 -0600 sirus.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00514 for; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:21:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Used Planes? Woodcraft Carries Hock Blades, as does Garrett Wade. You can also go toHock's homepage and surf their products. Woodcraft's Phone # is 1-800-225-1153 Garrett Wade is 800-221-2942 Brian > from rickcunn@tenet.edu Tue Jan 21 19:12:13 1997 ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:12:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Used Planes? Brian,Thanks for the info and numbers for Hock blades. Rick from GLohkamp@aol.com Tue Jan 21 19:44:14 1997 ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:44:09 -0600 Subject: inside cutters Anyone use inside cutters like Dickerson used to prepare his ferrulestations???Gary from bruno8@primenet.com Tue Jan 21 20:22:24 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00771 for; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:22:17 -0600 Organization: Fatherhood/Brotherhood/Animal Husbandry Subject: Re: Used Planes? 776140EA7AA30" ------------776140EA7AA30 Frank Stetzer wrote: Leach is among them. I think its the first Tuesday but I'm not sure.ckeck it out at http://mailmunch.law.cornell.edu/mhonarc/OLDTOOLS . Flea Market Monday happens every first Mon. of the month. That grouphas alotto offer this group...Gotta submit a bio to get a reply, good idea forthis group.Great, great stuff there for handtool users.Handtool Users: We are all Galoots. Rusty Hooks ------------776140EA7AA30 Frank Stetzer wrote: sure. . group has alot to offer this group...Gotta submit a bio to get a reply, good idea Great, great stuff there for handtool Handtool Users: We are all Galoots. Rusty Hooks ------------776140EA7AA30-- from JCZIMNY@dol.net Tue Jan 21 21:23:14 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA03252 for ;Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:23:12 - 0600 Subject: Re: inside cutters GLohkamp@aol.com wrote: Anyone use inside cutters like Dickerson used to prepare his ferrulestations???Gary Outside cutters similar to a plug cutter. Yes I've tried it. At least was a lot of vibration due to the unsupported cane. Better would be the type of small cutter with bearings used on screw machines. One cannot cut the stuff accurately unsupported.John from whensel@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 22 01:40:36 1997 ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:40:32 -0800 Subject: Cattanach Oven Works Great Hay its 12:30 AM Wednesday morning. I recieved the oven shell at 1 pm today and by 3pm I had the oven shell up and running. The system work very well. Tonight I will finally get the but and tip section in the oven. Wayne thanks for getting the oven out. from pjmraz@worldnet.att.net Wed Jan 22 11:40:39 1997 LAA19572 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:40:37-0600 (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA10607 +0000 Subject: Re: Used Planes? Try AT&T if they have a local access number in your area. The service isgreat. In general, I connect the first try, every try. If you are an AT&Tcustomer it is $20.00 per month unlimited access. PJ ----------From: FFer4trout@aol.com Subject: Re: Used Planes?Date: Tuesday, January 21, 1997 6:25 AM In a message dated 97-01-20 19:57:24 EST, you write: Subj: Re: Used Planes?Date: 97-01-20 19:57:24 ESTFrom: mcreek@sirus.com (brian & michelle creek)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Don B. I come from a long line of old-style patternmakers, and sort of grewuparound this stuff. Mostly it is practice, but practice the rightthings!! Buy "PlaneCraft" it is a small, old booklet written before electricsurface planers and is the best, if you can find it. Otherwise,TauntonPress, in their Fine Woodworking On. . . series has a book, "FineWoodworking on Planes and Chisels. $9.95 from Fine Woodworking1-800-225-1153. Wayne's advice to get the Hock Replacement Blades is sound. Vibration from thin blades expresses itself as "chatter" and leaves a washboardsurface. Hock blades really reduce this. Set your web browser to "Stanley Planes" and follow some of the links. You'll learn a bunch of good stuff. Like some used planes are worththousands of dollars! Brian > Thanks, this is what I've been looking for. Now if I say up real late, I might be able log on and use AOL's WEBbrouser----- unlimited access my butt. Since Dec. it's flashsession e-mail at4:30am or I'm locked out. Looks like its time to look for a local accesscompany. Don from pavrabli@eos.ncsu.edu Wed Jan 22 11:41:56 1997 ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:41:54 -0600 Subject: Greetings Hello all rodbuildersI just got my first 4 culms of Tonkin cane and am about to build myfirst cane rod. I am going to make a copy of a thomas browntone 7'6" 4 wtusing measurements in George Barnes book 'How to make bamboo fly rods'. Ifthere are any beginner's tips you can offer, or even a FAQ, I would be gladto receive the wisdom. Also, this is my first post to this list, and I donot know what the assigned password is for.Thanks, and happy rodbuilding!-paul from RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Wed Jan 22 12:14:56 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22517 for; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:14:54 -0600 with BSMTP id 5803; Wed, 22 Jan 97 13:13:54 EST MAINE.MAINE.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with RFC822 id 0917; Wed, 22 Jan1997 13:13:54 -0500Subject: new planes The William Alden Co. has Stanley 9.5's (with adjustablethroat etc.) for 28.99. This is the best price fornew planes I've seen. they also have 60.5's forabout the same price, and other standard woodworking tools,but not Hock blades. Call 800 249-8665. Of courseyou'll have to lap the sole of a new plane, butthis can be interesting and the last phase of polishingis a sight to behold. Wayne's bk has good instructions is excellent by the way. Tight lines, Bob. from GLohkamp@aol.com Wed Jan 22 13:16:01 1997 ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:15:58 -0600 Subject: Re: inside cutters Thanks johngary from whensel@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 22 13:41:20 1997 ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:41:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Greetings You wrote: Hello all rodbuildersI just got my first 4 culms of Tonkin cane and am about to build myfirst cane rod. I am going to make a copy of a thomas browntone 7'6" 4 wtusing measurements in George Barnes book 'How to make bamboo fly rods'. Ifthere are any beginner's tips you can offer, or even a FAQ, I would be gladto receive the wisdom. Also, this is my first post to this list, and I donot know what the assigned password is for.Thanks, and happy rodbuilding!-paulHello Paul,I am a beginner and will tell you you are in for one heck of an adventure. It is great and the rod builders on the list will be a great help.I started on this adventure some where in late Nov. 96 and yester day I finally got my oven so began heat treating my strips. Today I am beginning final planing.I wont throw a whole bunch of info for you to try to eat at this point. But will mention by all means Buy a METAL PLANNING FORM from Colorado Bootstrap. I initally built my own and have choped it up for a pilimanry planning form.Dont quite no matter what mountain you have to climb. Imagin you out on a stream someday fishing with a cane rod YOU built by your own hands. Its gotta be great to feel that. I only fish bamboo rods no plastic. Keep in touch! Time for you to dive in but remember I told you that many who did built rods the rest of their lives. Best regards, Bill Hensel Englewood, Colorado from jfoster@gte.net Thu Jan 23 01:00:37 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16736 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:00:36 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id BAA02086 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:00:34 -0600 Subject: web page Well I finally got the #### page updated, I would still like some morebus cards from you guys... Chris see if i did you faq justice, I'm stillin the process of redoing the tapers and software sections but if youfind any other errors please let me know..Jon do you want me to put youradh update on line? new suppliers anyone etc.web pages from you builders!!I've got some more links but they aren'tvalid anymore..updates.anything you want removed http://home1.gte.net/jfoster/index.htm Jerry from G.M.Smith@uk22p.bull.co.uk Thu Jan 23 06:06:44 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA28356 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 06:06:41 -0600 NAA30605 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:06:35+0100X400-Received: by mta bimini2 in /PRMD=bull/ADMD=atlas/C=fr ; Relayed ;23 Jan 97 13:06:32 +0000X400- Received: by /PRMD=bull/ADMD=atlas/C=fr ; Relayed ; 23 Jan 9712:58:19 +0000 Delivery-Date: 23 Jan 97 13:06:35 +0200Message-Type: Multiple PartX400- Originator: G.M.Smith@uk22p.bull.co.ukX400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=bull/ADMD=atlas/C=fr;XGW-970123125819+0000-21184]X400- Recipients: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.eduOriginal-Encoded-Information-Types: Teletex Importance: normalSubject: Trying to locate Wayne Cattanach's book in the UKAutoforwarded: FALSE Priority: normalConversion: AllowedConversion-With-Loss: AllowedAlternate- Recipient: ProhibitedContent-Identifier: Trying to locate Dear all I'm trying to locate a copy of Wayne Cattanach's book "HandcraftingBamboo Flyrods" in England (well, the UK anyway). If anybody knows of a supplier, an idea of the cost, or even just a snippet of info, please let me know. Also, does anybody know of any decent suppliers of Tonkin Cane, Planing forms etc. in the UK? Three days ago, it had not even crossed my mind to make a bamboo fly rod.Two days ago I found a web site which mentioned the FAQ on making yourown bamboo rods.Yesterday I spent most of my freetime looking up every possible web-site concerning the subjectToday I am completely obsessed with the idea, my fiance thinks I've gone mad talking about planing forms, tapers etc. and my friends are starting to move away from me. Is this the way it usually goes? Or am I going to get better??? Glenn. from Thomas.Ausfeld@Hitchcock.ORG Thu Jan 23 06:40:59 1997 GAA29452 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 06:40:58-0600 mailhub.hitchcock.org (8.6.12-DND/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA31500 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:40:57 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is Subject: Re: Trying to locate Wayne Cattanach's book in the UK Priority: normal Glenn asks: Is this the way it usually goes? Or am I going to get better??? It only just started.... Tom Ausfeld (Tom@sp1.hitchcock.org)Dartmouth Hitchcock Memorial HospitalDept. Of Biomedical Engineering from JCZIMNY@dol.net Thu Jan 23 07:03:02 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA29984 for ;Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:03:01 - 0600 Subject: Re: Trying to locate Wayne Cattanach's book in the UK G.M.Smith@uk22p.bull.co.uk wrote: Dear all I'm trying to locate a copy of Wayne Cattanach's book "HandcraftingBambooFlyrods" in England (well, the UK anyway). If anybody knows of asupplier,an idea of the cost, or even just a snippet of info, please let me know. Also, does anybody know of any decent suppliers of Tonkin Cane, Planingforms etc. in the UK? Three days ago, it had not even crossed my mind to make a bamboo flyrod.Two days ago I found a web site which mentioned the FAQ on making yourownbamboo rods.Yesterday I spent most of my freetime looking up every possible web-siteconcerning the subjectToday I am completely obsessed with the idea, my fiance thinks I've gonemad talking about planing forms, tapers etc. and my friends are startingtomove away from me. Is this the way it usually goes? Or am I going to get better??? Glenn.Too bad Glenn. You have contracted an extremely serious diseasewhich, while not terminal, is surely terminal to the pocketbook and , often, to other intepersonal relationships. Try giving Tom Moran and Jeff Wheeldon a call. Both are making rods in relatively small quantities an should be able to put on to a supplier.John Zimny from birnbaum@cwchme.echem.cwru.edu Thu Jan 23 09:16:08 1997 with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.4-client) birnbaum@cwchme.echem.cwru.edu for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu) Subject: Re: Blackenning NS At 07:37 PM 1/20/97 -0500, you wrote:I don't know if it works with N/S, but for reproduction or periodfurniture I blacken brass as follows: Remove lacquer coating with appropriate solvent (usually lacquerthinner) and rinse with warm water. Blot dry. Make a solution of twotablespoons of salt to each cup of warm water needed to cover your brasswork. Fill a sealable container about 1/3 full of ammonia (I use thekind for blueprint machines - be careful here and do this outside-it isheinous stuff!!)dip brasses in saltwater bath and then suspend ABOVE theammonia on a piece if mono or wire. Out the lid on the container andGENTLY heat it up with your heat gun. The ammonia fumes will increasein concentration and the brass will darken. After a minute or two dipthe work in the salt bath again and repeat the process. Keep doing thisuntil you get the color you want. Dip in salt water one more time andallow to dry. Remember to exercise due caution with the ammonia!!! I buff the high areas of brass with x-fine steel wool to simulate wear.I'm told that unscrupulous antique dealers in New England refined thisto fool well-to- do and gullible New Yorkers. Let me know if anyone tries this with nickle silver. FWIW Brian > Seymour BirnbaumChemical Engineering DepartmentCase Western Reserve University216-368-3840birnbaum@cwchme.echme.cwru.edu from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Thu Jan 23 10:17:59 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13288 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:17:54 -0600 Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:17:02 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: Trying to locate Wayne Cattanach's book in the UK Welcome to the legion of the lunitic fringe, and don't worry about getting better. It wont happen. Try The Anglers Art on fax # 717-243-8603 for the book.When you contact Ron Barch of the Planing Form to subscribe which you ultimately must, ask if he can point you in the direction of fellow Brits with a simmilar afliction. They have to be getting supplies fromsomewhere.If you have a look at my home page, there are some links you may not have seen yet that may be of interest.Oh yes, regarding your friends moving away from you. That's good. You need peace and quiet for this. Tony I'm trying to locate a copy of Wayne Cattanach's book "HandcraftingBamboo Flyrods" in England (well, the UK anyway). If anybody knows of asupplier, an idea of the cost, or even just a snippet of info, please let me know. Also, does anybody know of any decent suppliers of Tonkin Cane, Planing forms etc. in the UK? Three days ago, it had not even crossed my mind to make a bamboo flyrod.Two days ago I found a web site which mentioned the FAQ on making yourown bamboo rods.Yesterday I spent most of my freetime looking up every possible web-site concerning the subjectToday I am completely obsessed with the idea, my fiance thinks I've gone mad talking about planing forms, tapers etc. and my friends are startingto move away from me. Is this the way it usually goes? Or am I going to get better??? Glenn. /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Thu Jan 23 12:23:40 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24571 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:23:39 -0600 SMTP id AA14197(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Jan 199711:23:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Greetings AMEN.....AMEN.....AMEN..... The first time is the hardest since you have to acquirea bunch of stuff. Bear with it...acquire one section at a timeand keep moving, one process task at a time. I began this stuff years ago, stoped for a while and keep coming backto this hobby. Its great. Split Cane For Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Plastic is Dead!!! Dev Emch, Estes Park, Colorado from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Thu Jan 23 12:48:44 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26455 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:48:42 -0600 SMTP id AA15788(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Jan 199711:48:41 -0700 Subject: Re: web page You did an excellent job on this web page. It has great graphics, impovedaccess and layout and a wonderful collection of useful links. Dev Emch from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Thu Jan 23 12:53:51 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26996 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:53:49 -0600 SMTP id AA16138(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Jan 199711:53:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Trying to locate Wayne Cattanach's book in the UK Bamboo Rod Making is one of the pinnacles of high precissionwoodworking! Fewvenues in woodworking get this good! As far as the expense, it is painfulbutnot that bad...it could get worse....I just bought a new General Jointer afterwaiting several months for it. Owww Weeeeee that hurt!!!! I will beeatingbeans for quite a while...and well worth it!:) Dev EmchEstes Park, Colorado from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Thu Jan 23 12:57:40 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27256 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:57:39 -0600 SMTP id AA16493(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Jan 199711:57:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Blackenning NS The technique of dis-coloring hardware was recently written up in Fine Woodworking. It has been used on Tansau chest hardware with greatsuccess!Don't know how it will react to Nic.Silver however. from Leessinker@aol.com Thu Jan 23 13:11:02 1997 ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:11:01 -0600 Subject: Conner's Binder GIF Haveing long desired to have a cane rod and having met Mr. Cattanach , Ihavebegun the journey of gathering information . On a visit to Bruce Conner'sCane Building FAQhe refers to a rod binder designed by Bob Milward , I cannot seem to pullitup, the hyperlink (www.cybercom.net/~bconner/SMBINDER.GIF) getsinteruptedduring transfer with a note from AOL that it could be a traffic problem.Seeing as how I enjoy building my own tools I would like to see it. Can anyone help? stillhere's the address :www.cybercom.net/~bconner/rod.htmlThxD.V.D. from bean@vassar.edu Thu Jan 23 15:26:50 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07687 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:26:47 -0600 #15333) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, Subject: Computer crash My computer recently crashed as I was trying to reread postings I hadsaved concerning Tung oil treatment of rods. When it crashed, I lost thefile. Could anyone refer me to the approximate date of those discussionsso that I can locate them in the archives?Thanks - Jay from preflat@psci.net Thu Jan 23 16:31:38 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12145 for ;Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:31:36 - 0600 psci.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA16318 for Subject: Re: web page I am new to the group, and to the art...WHAT WEB PAGE??also where are the FAQ's mentioned??I GOTTA KNOW, I have it bad...Greetings from Southern INSteve Preflatish-------------------------------------E-mail: preflat@psci.net Time: 17:27:00------------------------------------- from bootstrap@earthlink.net Thu Jan 23 17:17:20 1997 RAA15218 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:17:18-0600 PAA12792 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:17:12 Subject: Re: Trying to locate Wayne Cattanach's book in the UK Welcome to the clan. Frank in Colorado from fiveside@net-gate.com Thu Jan 23 18:22:57 1997 SAA18494 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:22:56-0600 Subject: Rod Transport II Hi Wayne, 1/23/97That 200,000 mile dashboard durability test speaks well for your rod.Butthere are some tests no rod will survive, like the non- transport test(driveaway home with the rod leaning against a tree) and the skyhook test (rodloose on the roof of the moving vehicle). The mob scene test is anothertough one where all the rods are dumped loose in back of the vehiclewhereupon the gang reaches through them for the thermos etc. The BeaMoctestwith flyrods protruding through the roof panels of moving BMW's is severebut of course these are all lifetime-guarantee plastic rods. Thescreendoortest, while not exactly a transport condition, is the downfall of manyrods. I've timed it - it takes less than thirty seconds to take down a rod andstuff it in the case (Thirty five for one piecers). What are your views onlifetime guarantees? Bill Fink from fiveside@net-gate.com Thu Jan 23 18:22:58 1997 SAA18499 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:22:57-0600 Subject: Tapers III Hank,Looks like I gave the wrong impression of my views on computer taperprograms. To me they are essential. We have Wayne's on hex, and Histand'son4,5 &6. Using them with Garrison's stress curve concept seems to me theonlyrational approach to rod taper design. My only problem is that theprogramsgive the tip end as zero station reference, whereas I build my rods withthebutt end as zero. My cork extends to station 9 (not station 81) inches, mystripping guide is at station 26 (not station 64) inches, etc. One of thereasons I plot taper graphs or curves is that from them it is easy to makethis reversal of ends.Speaking of stress curves, could Wayne tell us more about thoseinteresting curves he showed at the Pocono's last fall? Bill Fink from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Thu Jan 23 18:53:28 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20581 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:53:25 -0600 SMTP id AA15223(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Jan 199717:52:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Rod Transport II Bill...you are aware that these "plastic" rods can double asradio antennas. Try doing that with bamboo. But then again, anyone who fly fishes with the top 40 blarring should beavoided anyway. from FFer4trout@aol.com Thu Jan 23 19:48:34 1997 ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:48:32 -0600 Subject: RE:Re: Used Planes? Thanks to everyone that posted a reply to my posting. This weekend I'lllookaround the outdoor swapmeet for a Stanley 9 1/2 or something close tothat.That is, if the darn rains ever stop. Thanks again, Don B. from GLohkamp@aol.com Thu Jan 23 20:40:53 1997 ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:40:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Blackenning NS The best stuff hands down for that real blue color is David LeClairs (payneformula)lt is pretty much the same as is talked about in Garrisons book. lt workslike it is suposed to just dip in in and 20 sec later it is perfect. you canbuff it and repeat for and even deeper color. The one thing l like most about it is the color alot of the other stuff ltried gave me a brown color and didnt seem to want to stick ,and sometimesreacted with the finish was putting on the rod . This stuff will give you a true blue color just like that favorite shotgun .lt is a mixture of ferric chloride and arsenic tri chloride so it's prettynasty stuff but works on nickle like nothing l've ever seen l'll be glad to pass along how to get in touch with mr LeClair if anyone isinterestedGary from jfoster@gte.net Thu Jan 23 21:06:37 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25722 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:06:35 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id VAA26407 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:06:33 -0600 Subject: Re: Blackenning NS Gary Please do,I'll post itthanxjerry from crocm@flinet.com Thu Jan 23 22:14:51 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29564 for; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:14:50 -0600 shell.flinet.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA06165 for Subject: Saltwater Rod Does anyone have a taper for a 10 or 12 wt , 9ft, 3 piece rod that they arewilling to share? Thanks in advance. Ed from G.M.Smith@uk22p.bull.co.uk Fri Jan 24 06:16:38 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15131 for; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 06:16:34 -0600 NAA30674 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:16:28+0100X400-Received: by mta bimini2 in /PRMD=bull/ADMD=atlas/C=fr ; Relayed ;24 Jan 97 13:16:27 +0000X400- Received: by /PRMD=bull/ADMD=atlas/C=fr ; Relayed ; 24 Jan 9713:08:04 +0000 Delivery-Date: 24 Jan 97 13:16:28 +0200Message-Type: Multiple PartX400- Originator: G.M.Smith@uk22p.bull.co.ukX400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=bull/ADMD=atlas/C=fr;XGW-970124130804+0000-19895]X400- Recipients: RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.eduOriginal-Encoded-Information-Types: Teletex Importance: normalSubject: Wayne's book located in UKAutoforwarded: FALSE Priority: normalConversion: AllowedConversion-With-Loss: AllowedAlternate- Recipient: ProhibitedContent-Identifier: Wayne's book loc To all those who replied to my earlier message concerning Wayne's book in the UK, thankyou for your time. I received David Norwich's catalogue (rod builder - Scotland) through the post this morning, and he has a number of items in the catalogue for the bamboo rod maker, including the book AND the video. It's funny, I've had people all round the world e-mail me back to tell me the same thing about my new hobby... I'm going to be poor, and I'm going to go mad... No change there then. Glenn. from FFer4trout@aol.com Fri Jan 24 09:20:31 1997 ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:20:29 -0600 Subject: Re: Conner's Binder GIF In a message dated 97-01-23 20:49:32 EST, you write: Haveing long desired to have a cane rod and having met Mr. Cattanach , Ihavebegun the journey of gathering information . On a visit to Bruce Conner'sCane Building FAQhe refers to a rod binder designed by Bob Milward , I cannot seem topull itup, the hyperlink (www.cybercom.net/~bconner/SMBINDER.GIF) getsinteruptedduring transfer with a note from AOL that it could be a traffic problem.Seeing as how I enjoy building my own tools I would like to see it. Can anyone help? Its been some time since I've surfed that page, but in general when I get aweb loading problem I try closing as many other open AOL pages and thenretry. Minimize the open web page, close as many remaining open pages as youcanand then reopen the web page. Sometiimes this helps. Also, AOL has been very (very, very) slow of late (when I can even log on)due to the "unlimited" access rate. Try in the middle of the night andsee if you can download the graphics. Don B. PS - also check to see if you are using compressed graphics to speed uploading of web graphics. (use --> members --> preferences -->) from Leessinker@aol.com Fri Jan 24 10:05:18 1997 ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:05:16 -0600 Subject: Re: web page ME TOO !!!!!I hope my wife doesn't get it(of coarse if she did would it be so bad?)D.V.D. from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Fri Jan 24 10:30:19 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28326 for; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:30:18 -0600 SMTP id AA01296(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Jan 199709:30:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Blackenning NS Yes, Gary, please post the address for this blueing formula. Dev Emch from rfairfie@cisco.com Fri Jan 24 10:49:30 1997 Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:49:29 -0600 IAA16211; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:32:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Wayne's book located in UK from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Fri Jan 24 04:23:53 1997Date: 24 Jan 97 13:16:28 +0200 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: G.M.Smith@uk22p.bull.co.uk Subject: Wayne's book located in UKContent-Identifier: Wayne's book locX- Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 504 To all those who replied to my earlier message concerning Wayne's bookin the UK, thankyou for your time. I received David Norwich's catalogue (rod builder - Scotland) through the post this morning, and he has a number of items in the catalogue for the bamboo rod maker, including the book AND the video. It's funny, I've had people all round the world e-mail me back to tell me the same thing about my new hobby... I'm going to be poor, and I'm goingto go mad... And you're gonna have fun!!! Good luck and tight lines! No change there then. Glenn. from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Fri Jan 24 11:00:37 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00864 for; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:00:36 -0600 SMTP id AA04873(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Jan 199710:00:35 -0700 Subject: Lathe Stuff Hello everyone on this most wonderful of days! (Its Friday you know!:) ) Does anyone know anything (opinions, war stories, etc) about theSherline Equipment Company's mini lathes and milling machines? Wouldit be possible to use this mini lathe for working on ferrule and reelseat issues? If anyone has any leads for used south bend or atlas lathes, please letknow about those too. Thanks abunchDev Emch from jjohnso4@bellsouth.net Fri Jan 24 11:53:02 1997 mail.atl.bellsouth.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00070 for Subject: Re: Lathe Stuff At 10:00 AM 1/24/97 MST, Dev Emch wrote: Hello everyone on this most wonderful of days! (Its Friday you know!:) ) Does anyone know anything (opinions, war stories, etc) about theSherline Equipment Company's mini lathes and milling machines? Wouldit be possible to use this mini lathe for working on ferrule and reelseat issues? If anyone has any leads for used south bend or atlas lathes, please letknow about those too. Dev, I'm sure that you'll get some replies from guys that are machinists bytrade who will tell you that you can't do serious work unless you have a10" South Bend or larger. from their prospective, I guess that they arecorrect. On the other hand, I'm strictly a hobbyist and am quite satisfiedwith my Sherline lathe and milling attachment. I haven't used it to make rod parts yet but I have used it for making linerlocking pocket knives. That includes machining aluminum, stainless steel,titanium, brass, and nickel silver. You will be limited to takingrelatively shallow cuts but the Sherline tools will do excellent work ifyou have the time to use them and use sharp tools. Later,Johnny-------------------John JohnsonLilburn, GA from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Fri Jan 24 12:07:58 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07296 for ;Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:07:57 -0600 SVR4) (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA047259098; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:04:58 -0800 Organization: r-5113 Subject: lathes A little lathe story that just reacently happened to me that just mighthelp those of you looking for a metal lathe. I found a company that auctions off business and noticed that there was a steady stream ofsmall machine shops going out of business. So I went to some small shops in the area and asked them if they had any lathes that they wern't usingand in the third one they told me everybody was going to nc equipmentand they had a southbend bench lathe that they hadn't used in years andto make them an offer. Drawing up all my bargining skills I thought Iwould start real low and settle somewhere in between real low and realhigh.I offered them $150.00 and they accepted, for that I got a 3 footsouthbend bench lathe,all the change gears,a full set of collects and draw bar,2 three jaw chucks,1 four draw chuck and a large jacobs chuchthat mounted in the tail stock. Everything was in VERY good conditionand they were tickled pink that I wanted to take it off their hands asit had been sitting on a shelf collecting dust for years. So as FatherMulcahey on mash once said "the meak may inherit the earth but its the pushy that get ahead" go out and ask around all they can say is no.Thebest place to look is at old machine shops. Good luck Patrick from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Fri Jan 24 12:21:05 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08109 for; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:21:02 -0600 SMTP id AA11384(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Jan 199711:20:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Lathe Stuff I learned the machinists trade in high school using a 9 inch, 4 footsouth bend. It is quite capable for many things; however, as you beginto do work on things such as reel parts, etc. the size becomes more ofa hinderence than anything. I am quickly coming to the conclusion thatboth are useful...each in their own right! The sherline products do notcarry the reputation (or stigma depending on your view point) that southbend does; however, they appear much more agile for dealing with verytiny parts. Garrision used an old atlas for most of hist work. He even used it toface down the bamboo shafts for ferrule work. He also made his own reelseat parts with this machine. In terms of size, this was about a 9 inchswing with a 4 foot bed...based on the photos from his book. Comparable tothe B9W class south bend i used. I am going to look at sherline tonight. Keep you all informed. Dev Emch from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Fri Jan 24 13:15:35 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12174 for; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:15:34 -0600 SMTP id AA15066(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Jan 199712:15:31 -0700 Subject: Re: lathes Well, the wall street types would kill for a 100 percentreturn on investment....... O.K. Patrick....I will offer you 300 dollars for this unit. :):)(:) Dev P.S. If you hear of any others, let us know. At that price, itsworth the freight to colorado!!!!!! from Leessinker@aol.com Fri Jan 24 13:31:16 1997 ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:31:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Conner's Binder GIF In a message dated 97-01-24 10:30:16 EST, you write: Thanks for the suggestions I'm a newby to this online stuff.I'll try late night ,I'm usually up till 2 am.I'm beginning to think that AOL Bytes (can I say that ? Sorry if I offendedanyone) from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Fri Jan 24 13:48:59 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14195 for; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:48:53 -0600 SMTP id AA17276(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Jan 199712:48:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Conner's Binder GIF No offense taken...AOL has had a difficult time of late. They changedthe pricing and low and behold, found themselves drinking from a firehydrant! You may want to try another service provider. Just look up"internet service provider" in the yellow pages. In the future, I thinkthat AOL will have to buy mega amounts of gear to keep up and will findit clear to do so. from jjohnso4@bellsouth.net Fri Jan 24 16:19:40 1997 mail.atl.bellsouth.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA06804 for Subject: AOL At 12:48 PM 1/24/97 MST, you wrote:No offense taken...AOL has had a difficult time of late. They changedthe pricing and low and behold, found themselves drinking from a firehydrant! You may want to try another service provider. Just look up"internet service provider" in the yellow pages. In the future, I thinkthat AOL will have to buy mega amounts of gear to keep up and will findit clear to do so. Things are horrible with AOL here in Atlanta! I was having problems withmy previous ISP so I decided to use a free 30 day trial with AOL to get methrough the rough spell. Problem was, once I signed up, I couldn't getconnected except in the mornings and early afternoons. When I called tocancel there was ten minute wait for the customer service peoplehandlingcancellations! Sure am glad I got on BellSouth.Johnny-------------------John JohnsonLilburn, GA from bootstrap@earthlink.net Fri Jan 24 20:28:23 1997 UAA03792 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:28:22 -0600 Subject: Re: Wayne's book located in UK About your new hobby; it's addicting, it's contageous, and there appearsto be no known cure. Hey, perhaps one can get a federal grant to work on atreatment for it! Frank in colorado from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Sat Jan 25 05:44:04 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22189; Sat, 25 Jan 199705:44:00 -0600 Sat, 25 Jan 1997 19:43:56 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: Lathe Stuff Dev,I own a Sherline 4100 which is the small metric model. I turn ferrules from solid rod and make screw reel seats as well. You need to get the threading atachments seperately. You can also get an atachment to convert the lathe into a milling machine which I don't have.The machine's accurate and well made and is perfect for my needs but it's too small to make rod case ends and reels (just in case you ever wanted to make reels).They have a web page you can find using Yahoo, just type sherline. To all those who asked me about how I make ferrules from rod, I'm still deciding on the best way to do this. As soon as I decide the best way, I'll include it in my page. Tony Hello everyone on this most wonderful of days! (Its Friday you know!:) ) Does anyone know anything (opinions, war stories, etc) about theSherline Equipment Company's mini lathes and milling machines? Wouldit be possible to use this mini lathe for working on ferrule and reelseat issues? If anyone has any leads for used south bend or atlas lathes, please letknow about those too. Thanks abunchDev Emch /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Sat Jan 25 05:50:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22336 for; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 05:49:50 -0600 Sat, 25 Jan 1997 19:49:41 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: Wayne's book located in UK On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Franz O. Armbruster wrote: About your new hobby; it's addicting, it's contageous, and there appearsto be no known cure. Hey, perhaps one can get a federal grant to work onatreatment for it! Frank in colorado Why???? /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from m.boretti@agonet.it Sat Jan 25 05:50:26 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22360 for; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 05:50:23 -0600 mago.agonet.it (8.8.0/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA11903 for; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:53:16 +0100 Subject: INFORMATION Dear fellow Rodmakers,I seek information about the Final Precision Cutter MillingMachine,Draw,Books,manuscript or name of the person who make these type of machine.Besides for those who want visit Italy,or exchange information aboutRodmaking Bamboo or Fly Fishing I can put my service at the disposal.MARCO BORETTIVia Boselli Bonini 1329100 Piacenza (Italy)Ph : 0039/523/331084Fx : 0039/523/320088 Sincerely,Marco Boretti. from whensel@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 25 09:24:35 1997 dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA22850 for; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 07:24:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Trying to locate Wayne Cattanach's book in the UK You wrote: Dear all I'm trying to locate a copy of Wayne Cattanach's book "Handcrafting Bamboo Flyrods" in England (well, the UK anyway). If anybody knows of a supplier, an idea of the cost, or even just a snippet of info, please let me know. Also, does anybody know of any decent suppliers of Tonkin Cane, Planing forms etc. in the UK? Three days ago, it had not even crossed my mind to make a bamboo fly rod.Two days ago I found a web site which mentioned the FAQ on making your own bamboo rods.Yesterday I spent most of my freetime looking up every possible web-site concerning the subjectToday I am completely obsessed with the idea, my fiance thinks I've gone mad talking about planing forms, tapers etc. and my friends are starting to move away from me. Is this the way it usually goes? Or am I going to get better??? Glenn. Hello Glenn, My wife new after I started fishing with a hand crafted rod made own rod. So support was there atleast she never has commented negatively. She fishes also..not the passion I have but every weekend we go. In fact I just bought a popup camper for my dodge dakata truck the other day so I am farther in debt but who the hell cares. At least we can fish hard and travel deep into the mountains and pull off the raod anywhere to sleep and eat. The task of grabing the info. is a little slow and equipement gathering can be costly and also slow. Remember to never quite atleast build one rod. Imagine fishing on a beautifull stream with the hex rod you made in your hand. It will be with you forever and I bet the girl friend will fad off into the sun set someday they always do. I have been married three times and not going that route again. But doubt if I ever will sea trout fishing fad off into a sunset. If all your firends leave you and the girl gets colf perhaps fly fishing people are who you should relate to after all.Be cool, be bad and have fun life can be short. Have fun with the adventure and go for it, Bill from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Sat Jan 25 20:30:54 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19929 for; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 20:30:53 -0600 25 Jan 97 21:30 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id VAA409276 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 25 Jan1997 21:30:52 -0500 Subject: Thanks Dane Dane, Thanks much for the info Re. nickel silver casting....exactlywhat I was hoping for. Do you know of any sources ofrelatively small quantities of both C752 and C976? I deal witha couple of metal suppliers with my business but neither ofthem has had any nickel silver to offer in the past. Thanks again, I'm looking forward to making some neat customhardware. Dave from GLohkamp@aol.com Sun Jan 26 01:28:22 1997 ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:28:20 -0600 Subject: n/s blackening The address and phone # for David LeClair 's Fly and Rod room. P.O Box 565 Bonta LaneElbridge ,New York 13060(315)689-7896 David also sells some n/s tubing and soild stock for ferrules and reelseats. Get his cataloge it's worth checking out. Gary from wfmack@evansville.net Sun Jan 26 17:30:24 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00324 for; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:30:23 -0600 (Smail3.2 #15) id m0voe1m-000hxNC; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:30:22 - Subject: Re: web page preflat@psci.net wrote: I am new to the group, and to the art...WHAT WEB PAGE??also where are the FAQ's mentioned??I GOTTA KNOW, I have it bad...Greetings from Southern INSteve Preflatish-------------------------------------E-mail: preflat@psci.netDate: 01/23/97Time: 17:27:00----------------------------------- -- Steve--where in Southern Indiana are you? I'm in Evansville. Bill Mack from MasjC1@aol.com Sun Jan 26 17:55:29 1997 ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:55:28 -0600 Subject: Rod Building Classes My name is Mark Cole and I've been lurking on the list for a while. I'vebought the books and video and am still interested in giving bamboo rodbuilding a try. I thought that the best way to begin is to attend a class anddo some hands on. I know about Lon Blauvelt's class. I'm wondering ifthereare other scheduled classes? I believe that Wayne Cattanach does classes.Arethere any others? Does any one know of any rod builders in the Houston area? It would behelpful to talk to some one directly. Thanks in advance. Mark R. ColeLeadville, ColoradoHouston, Texas from bootstrap@earthlink.net Sun Jan 26 20:46:51 1997 UAA06880 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:46:50-0600 SAA26874 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:45:05 Subject: Re: web page Well, for starters, you can check mine. There are links there for you to http://home.earthlink.net/~bootstrap/ Frank in colorado from bootstrap@earthlink.net Sun Jan 26 20:53:56 1997 UAA07220 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:53:54-0600 SAA27663 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:52:09 Subject: Re: Rod Building Classes Stan Smartt in Sevierville Tennessee does classes. His phone number is(423)428-3799. Are you in Colorado? Frank in Aurora from MasjC1@aol.com Mon Jan 27 08:01:20 1997 ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:01:18 -0600 Subject: Re: Rod Building Classes Frank, Up until 3 1/2 years ago I lived in Piny Creek just south of Aurora. The paycheck came to Houston and I with it. Unfortunately my interest in bamboohadnot developed while I lived full time in Colorado. I still have connectionsto Colorado, we have a house just outside of Leadville. Mark R. ColeLeadville, ColoradoHouston, Texas from pavrabli@eos.ncsu.edu Mon Jan 27 10:42:49 1997 ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:42:46 -0600 Subject: cane concerns Hello,I just got through splitting and rough forming the cane for myfirst rod. I started with 4 12' culms, cut into 8 6' half culms forshipping. I selected the ugliest half culm, split it lengthwise, removedthe dams with a sharpened teaspoon (please do not laugh, it worked!) andbegan splitting the 6' half culm. The splits seemed to walk to one side orthe other, causing much waste. I then realized that it would be easier tosplit in 3' sections (my rod sections are 30") rather than 6', and thatworked out much better, and I was able to get 6 butt, 6 middle, and 12 tipsections, each 36" long (I plan on making two tips for my first rod) out of3/4 of a 6' (whole, not split) culm. Is this a good return? Also, thesplit cane is much sharper than anyone has described, during shaping, acane edge cut through my leather glove, itspolyester AND thinsulitelining(s), and well into my thumb in a fraction of a second OUCH! Thatreally hurt! I have a 3' length of split(1/2) cane left over for spares,or a section of another rod. I should get my planing form this week, andwill be removing bends from the sections as soon as I have the form. Roughshaping takes a LONG time, and the measurements of the semi-triangularcrossections of the tips reveal that a LOT of planing will be required,should I rough shape more? Should I remove bends before rough shaping? Istraightened a junk section using the burner of an electric range, and itgoes pretty easy, but as an electrical engineer, I know the energy wasteassociated with resistive heating and will try the propane torch methodnext ( I have a dozen propane cannisters left over from a camping trip) Ihave a cheap block plane for planing, and have found it servicable, but amgoing to add a spacer to save the blade and the surface of my planing formbefore I begin tapering. That is enough for now, any input would begreatly appreciated. Oh, I almost forgot to mention, This is a LOT of Fun!, and my wife thinks Ihave gone insane!, as have my friends (why don't you just buy one??) Thanks-paul from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Mon Jan 27 12:30:55 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20331 for; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:30:49 -0600 SMTP id AA10384(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Jan 199711:30:47 -0700 Subject: Re: cane concerns Paul... You are well on your way! Good Job! As to buying one... well,the average price for a good job, first run rod is about 800 dollars.If you are careful, and do a really good job, then that type of rodis worth 1200 dollars not tomention up to a 2 year waiting list likeMike Clarke has(see Fly and Rod Mag for his pictures). Dev Emch from emchd@mrdata-tape1.stortek.com Mon Jan 27 12:30:57 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20344 for; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:30:56 -0600 SMTP id AA10429(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Jan 199711:30:53 -0700 Subject: Re: cane concerns Oh...Bye....the....way.... If you have not done so already, buy the bamboo froe from eitherHida or The Japan Woodworker. This is a forged chunk of steelcutlery with a steel handle. Its a minimum gottahaveit tool. Also, tune up your plane with a piece of glass and some emery cloth.Then put a HOCK blade in it. I am having a 1 foot by 2 foot chunkof granite countertop being edged soley for this type of work. regardsDev from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Jan 27 13:19:55 1997 ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:19:52 -0600 Subject: Re: cane concerns from WayneCatt@aol.com Mon Jan 27 19:35:30 1997 ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:35:23 -0600 Subject: Re: Rod Transport II Bill -I always recommend proper storage of fly rods - but understand a littleof the background. I used URAC to glue my first rod with - a 'whiteknuckle'experience. Having chose to try a different glue - Nyatex Epoxy - I had noassurance of how it would preform over the long haul. Urac had been usedforyears and had a good track record. To satisify my concern about thelongevityof the epoxy I have chose to abuse my personal rod. To be able to sell rodsand recommend the glue I in my mind had to know if it was going to taketherigors of time. And by storing the rod unprotected on the dash of a closedvechicle has built the needed confidence in the glue.I just got back from Somerset and can't believe one of the things I saw.There was a Chevy Blazer promoted as being part of the Chevy Pro Staffwith afly rod holder mounted on the roof of the vechicle. The vechicle is just oneof the current day images of the 'Yuppy CraZe' that flyfishing is seeing.When I mention a Chevy truck with 200,000 miles on it - the image I hopeisnot the same. To see that type of milage realize the number of winter thatare needed - with the salt used to clear the snow and ice from our roads. Ifinally decided to trade up for fear that the entire truck would simply fallappart one day - in fact the rear window did fall off shortly before tradingit in. The image would be of a winter beater vs that of Yuppydom.The current brainless warrenty issue is just a marketing hype for theplastic folks - with new rod models coming out at the rate that they arethecompanies never expect to see these warranties used. As far as thebamboothat I make I have in the past stood behind all repairs which are only two-both were door slams and I chose to repair them at no cost feeling thatthosewho had the accidents would make for my expense with further good will.Having a backlog of a couple of years is the best thing that couldhappen for me - I enjoy making rods for serious flyfishers and haveavoidedthose newcoming to the sport - most of my clients have 10 - 15 yearsexperience at flyfishing and know what they want and how to use the rods. Wayne from WayneCatt@aol.com Mon Jan 27 22:17:34 1997 ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:17:32 -0600 Subject: Twinkle - twinkle let's just say it can get a little trying. So to relieve the stress this lasttrip I with the assistance of daughter, Lyndi, came up with the second in aline of bed time stories for the bamboo minded. Twinkle Trout Twinkle twinkle, little trout.Why don" you come on out?Tucked beneth the brush pile deep.Why don't you come take a leap?Out upon my leader fine.Sets a fly that cost a buck 'O' nine.As I cast and drift it byYou won't even budge from your lie. Twinkle twinkle, little troutWhat will it take to move you out?Cast as I may with all my mightI just can't seem to get the fly to land right.The line speed is high and the loop is tightYou don't suppose it's in the graphite? Twinkle twinkle, little troutYou're a smart one without a doubtFish as I may, fish as I mightThis is truly the end of the 'Ol' graphiteWhen I come next to visit youIt'll be nothing less the the best of bamboo Twinkle twinkle, little troutA word to the wise, do look out. Wayne from richjez@wwa.com Mon Jan 27 22:34:48 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28736 for; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:34:47 -0600 Subject: Address I am going to be in Skokie thurs and thought I would look at their pulleys. I can't find the address for American Scientific. Any one have it. I think itis on howard.ThanksRich Jezioro *_________________________________)// Rich Jezioro @ / /|| __________________________________________________|| /\ / \ > > > from jfoster@gte.net Mon Jan 27 22:35:02 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28743 for; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:35:01 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id WAA08190 for; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:34:53 -0600 Subject: Web Page Wayne Nice to see you're back. (twinkle) If you happen to browse across my page... I took the rodmaker modelafter watching your video.. the bestJerry from jfoster@gte.net Mon Jan 27 22:43:22 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA29035 for; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:43:21 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id WAA09111 for; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:43:18 -0600 Subject: Re: Address Rich Their page is posted under commercial at the rodmakers web page Jerry from cparham@crocker.com Tue Jan 28 06:19:25 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA16543 for; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 06:19:24 -0600 rmc1.crocker.com (8.7.6/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA00059 for; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:18:30 GMT Organization: Judd Wire, Inc. Subject: Re: Address Rich Jezioro wrote: I am going to be in Skokie thurs and thought I would look at their pulleys.Ican't find the address for American Scientific. Any one have it. I think itison howard.ThanksRich Jezioro Their mail order address for American Science & Surplus is: 3605 Howard st. Skokie IL. 847-982-0870 I don't know if they do retail there. They have three retail stores listed: Route 38, 1/4 mile east of Kirk RdGeneva, IL630-232-2882 5696 Northwest HighwayChicago, IL312-763-0313 6901 W. OklahomaMilwaukee, WI414-541-7777 from Thomas.Ausfeld@Hitchcock.ORG Tue Jan 28 06:28:29 1997 GAA16838 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 06:28:28-0600 mailhub.hitchcock.org (8.6.12-DND/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA12955 for; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:28:27 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is Subject: Web Page Priority: normal Hmm, where is that... Jerry? where is your web page????thanks Tom Ausfeld (Tom@sp1.hitchcock.org)Dartmouth Hitchcock Memorial HospitalDept. Of Biomedical Engineering from DANNUGENT@aol.com Tue Jan 28 08:45:12 1997 ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:45:10 -0600 Subject: Re: cane concerns DevDo you have a number for Hida or Japan Woodworker ? My name is Dan and I to am a cane virgin! Thanks Dan from rfairfie@cisco.com Tue Jan 28 10:24:39 1997 IAA26408 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:24:30 - 0800 Subject: Re: cane concerns Dan, the Japanese Woodworker is in Alemada, Ca: Japanese Woodworker1731 Clement AvenueAlameda, CA 945011-800-537- 7820 Good luck,Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Tue Jan 28 06:50:34 1997 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: DANNUGENT@aol.com Subject: Re: cane concernsX-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 112 DevDo you have a number for Hida or Japan Woodworker ? My name is Dan and I to am a cane virgin! Thanks Dan from OBorge@aiss.uic.edu Tue Jan 28 10:45:15 1997 KAA01418 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:45:14-0600 Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) 10:47:28 -0600 Subject: RE: cane concerns 4.0.994.63Encoding: 40 TEXT I don't have the address for Hida Tool & Hardware Co. But they have an800 number. 1-800-443-5512 ----------From: Roger Fairfield[SMTP:rfairfie@cisco.com]Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 1997 10:24 AM Subject: Re: cane concerns Dan, the Japanese Woodworker is in Alemada, Ca: Japanese Woodworker1731 Clement AvenueAlameda, CA 945011-800-537- 7820 Good luck,Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Tue Jan 28 06:50:34 1997 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: DANNUGENT@aol.com Subject: Re: cane concernsX-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 112 DevDo you have a number for Hida or Japan Woodworker ? My name is Dan and I to am a cane virgin! Thanks Dan from FISHWOOL@aol.com Tue Jan 28 13:09:29 1997 ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:09:27 -0600 Subject: Re: Trying to locate Wayne Cattanach's book in the UK Glenn,It gets worse. Good luck.Hank Woolman. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Tue Jan 28 13:11:23 1997 ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:11:19 -0600 Subject: Re: Tapers III Bill,Stress curves are great but I still use a graphed taper and add a littlewood here and take a little off there to achieve a given result. Even thenthe same taper doesn't always give a constant result. The same is true forcomputer tapers with the variation in cane density from culm to culm.This iswhat I like about this obsession. There are very few absolutes.Nothing like a little b. s. Have fun.Hank from FISHWOOL@aol.com Tue Jan 28 13:37:22 1997 ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:37:19 -0600 Subject: Re: cane concerns Paul,Try a paint remover heat gun for straightening. There will be lesschance of scorching that way. Good luck(we're all crazy so enjoy.)Hank Woolman. from wfmack@evansville.net Tue Jan 28 17:43:26 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02877 for; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:43:24 -0600 (Smail3.2 #15) id m0vpNBS-000i0SC; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:43:22 - Subject: Re: cane concerns Paul Vrablic wrote: Hello,I just got through splitting and rough forming the cane for myfirst rod. I started with 4 12' culms, cut into 8 6' half culms forshipping. I selected the ugliest half culm, split it lengthwise, removedthe dams with a sharpened teaspoon (please do not laugh, it worked!) andbegan splitting the 6' half culm. The splits seemed to walk to one sideorthe other, causing much waste. I then realized that it would be easier tosplit in 3' sections (my rod sections are 30") rather than 6', and thatworked out much better, and I was able to get 6 butt, 6 middle, and 12tipsections, each 36" long (I plan on making two tips for my first rod) outof3/4 of a 6' (whole, not split) culm. Is this a good return? Also, thesplit cane is much sharper than anyone has described, during shaping, acane edge cut through my leather glove, itspolyester AND thinsulitelining(s), and well into my thumb in a fraction of a second OUCH! Thatreally hurt! I have a 3' length of split(1/2) cane left over for spares,or a section of another rod. I should get my planing form this week, andwill be removing bends from the sections as soon as I have the form. Roughshaping takes a LONG time, and the measurements of the semi-triangularcrossections of the tips reveal that a LOT of planing will be required,should I rough shape more? Should I remove bends before rough shaping? Istraightened a junk section using the burner of an electric range, and itgoes pretty easy, but as an electrical engineer, I know the energy wasteassociated with resistive heating and will try the propane torch methodnext ( I have a dozen propane cannisters left over from a camping trip) Ihave a cheap block plane for planing, and have found it servicable, but amgoing to add a spacer to save the blade and the surface of my planingformbefore I begin tapering. That is enough for now, any input would begreatly appreciated. Oh, I almost forgot to mention, This is a LOT of Fun!, and my wife thinksIhave gone insane!, as have my friends (why don't you just buy one??) Thanks-paulWelcome. I'm not quite so far along as you yet, so don't have anything to offer technically. Your mention of people's comments" why don't you just buy one?" strikes a chord wiith me. I build boats in the garge and as people walk by walking thier dogs, or exercising, or just enjoying the evening we often get to chatting. Most are real nice and seem to get a kick out of what I'm doing, but there is one fellow who I knnow distantly who is a big mucky muck at a firm in toown, who has asked several times in a rather condescending fashion that very question. Politeness keeps me from replying that if he has to ask the question he couldn't possibly understand the anser. Most other people who sidle up to that question are much nicer about it and I wouldn't even feel tempted to rude to them. Best of luck. Bill Mack from dryfly@erols.com Tue Jan 28 21:13:33 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13053 for; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:13:31 -0600 [207.172.76.144] didn't use HELO protocol Subject: Making the Plunge After a year of fence sitting I am finally diving into cane rodbuilding.I have been building glass & graphite flyrods for about 25 years andalso have finished/refinished more than a dozen cane blanks/rods in thepast but I never made the plunge into cane rodbuilding. However, overthe past year my desire has been growing. Initially, I read theCattanach, Garrison, Sinclair and Maurer books and more recently beenwatching Wayne's tapes. Secondly, last summer I set up a varnish diptube to refinish a Granger rod and was extremely pleased with theresults (Thanks to Geroge Maurer). Finally, I bought steel forms(Colorado Bootstrap) and a rough form from George last weekend at theSomerset show. So now I am hooked, today I ordered Hock blades,waterstones, a froe and a oven. Who knows what tomorrow? I appreciate the input I've gotten from Wayne, George, John Zimny andDave LeClair at the shows as well as the postings on the net.PS. Wayne, I am looking forward to getting one of your "Binders in aBox" Thanks. from GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDU Tue Jan 28 21:45:14 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14488 for; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:45:12 -0600 #19314) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Tue, Subject: twinkle WayneNice to see you post again. Thanks for twinkle my 14 yr. old daughter is getting more enthused.gerald(jerry)johnson from Leessinker@aol.com Wed Jan 29 07:13:18 1997 ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:13:17 -0600 rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:13:23 -0500 Subject: Why Don't You Just Buy One ! While my first cane rod is still in the planning stages I too have facedpeople that have tried to deter me. One gentleman claims to be friendswithMr. Lund a long time employee of Hendon , he gave me all the reasons notto( in his mind anyhow ) but it fell on deaf ears, ( just a few weeks earlier Ihad conversation with Mr. Cattanach) I just smiled politley. Why build acane rod ? It's making a dream , sharing in the history of a sport that somany of us are totally passionate about whether just beginning or not. It'sthe laying on of hands , the exercising of the intelect, an exercising of theimagination. It's not really taking pride in that finished product, it'sbuilding of a hope and the vision of possibilities , of what could be.I warned my wife that I was a dreamer , she said "That's why I love you." Keep planning and plainingDewayne Davison from wliebbra@plessey.co.za Wed Jan 29 08:31:35 1997 15:13:25 +0200 smap (V3.1) 29 Jan 97 16:30:30 GMT+0200 GMT+0200 Organization: PLESSEY TELLUMAT Subject: Greetings Priority: normal Hello fellow rodmakers,I have just joined the list. I think I am the first member from South Africa but if not I would like to hear from fellow countrymen.I regard myself as somewhat of a alternative rod builder if you like. I think the only item available in SA is handplanes and maybe silk thread. Due to this I have used and made every component on the four rods that I have built so far. If you neglect the cost of time and tools, my latest rod has cost me around R12.50 (US 2-60).The small mountain streams we fish here in the Cape is ideal settings Now ask me again, "Why don't you just buy one?" Glad to be on the listWerner from Jerry.Snider@UC.Edu Wed Jan 29 08:41:18 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07576 for; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:41:17 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, Have been a flyfisher for nigh onto 50 years now, and have been bitten bythe bamboo rod building bug (ouch!). Have built many rods but neverbamboo. I currently have all of the tools but the oven, binder and finish-dipping outfit. Any help here, kind folks? Thanks "Doc" Snider. Jerry A. Snider Professor of Biological Sciences and Curator of the Herbarium (CINC) Department of Biological Sciences P.O. Box 210006 University of Cincinnati Cincinnati, OH 45221-0006 Phone: Office/lab (513)556-9761 e-mail: CINC@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU http://www.biology.uc.edu/snider/jerry.htm from Leessinker@aol.com Wed Jan 29 09:00:11 1997 ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:00:09 -0600 Subject: Re: Why Don't You Just Buy One ! OOPSSorry, I know my spelling at times leaves something to be desired.Let correct an error.I should have stated that "It's not just taking pride in the finishedproduct........." , naturally anything that one puts their hands to should bedone whole heartedly and with pride. Every plastic rod I've built so far (sorry did'nt mean to swear) has been done with great pride and vision.Did'ntmean to give anyone the wrong impression.Dewayne Davison from MCALWILL@FS.isu.edu Wed Jan 29 09:34:54 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11480 for; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:34:53 -0600 (1.37.109.18/16.2) id AA255302152; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:35:52 -0700 Wed, 29 Jan 97 8:38:22 -0600 0600Organization: Idaho State University Subject: RCPT: GreetingsPriority: normal Confirmation of reading: your message - Date: 29 Jan 97 16:30 Subject: Greetings Was read at 9:39, 29 Jan 1997. from whensel@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 29 10:17:09 1997 KAA14691 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:17:08-0600 ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:17:05 -0800 Subject: Re: Why Don't You Just Buy One ! Hello,I had to stop by and comment. I just glue up my first butt section yesterday. I am finishing final planing on the tip section. It was a neet feeling/experience to feel the but section in my hand...it really will be a fly rod. There have been nights I find myself fishing in my dreams with the rod and it works very well in my dreams. The rod is made for me. It wont be a beautiful rod compared to the masters before me...but it will be beautiful to me.In my mind one of the big problems in our society today is the " I have the money and I want it now.". The rich man cant have what we will have when our bamboo turns into a fly rod. My rod will not be for sale it will be the first girl I ever kissed and I have not forgot her.In fact I have been going through lots of stress regarding trying keep a marriege from desolving and the process of building a rod will keep you from being angry. There is no way you can plan a tip section down to final tappers and be mad with yourself or someone else.One thing for sure we all started out at the same level in this experience and we will all fish alone at some time in our lives and it will be easier with a rod in your hand that was build by you.Takecare and look no farther than the plan in your hand happyness will follow. Regards Bill in Colorado from rfairfie@cisco.com Wed Jan 29 10:36:11 1997 IAA22177 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:36:08 - 0800 Subject: Re: Why Don't You Just Buy One ! Bill, well stated. I am yet to glue up my first rod--the epoxy is in themail. 'The experience I have had over the past months (about 7) has taughtme something that I don't have much of--patience. It has also provideda refuge from the hellishly fast paced life I live--I'm a high tech managerin Silicon Valley. Working late at night planing strips and splitting culmprovides an escape and relief that I can only get by doing something withmy hands. My rod, too, will not be a thing of beauty, and it will never be sold. Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Wed Jan 29 08:26:50 1997Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:17:05 -0800 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: whensel@ix.netcom.com (William Hensel ) Subject: Re: Why Don't You Just Buy One !X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 1358 Hello,I had to stop by and comment. I just glue up my first butt section yesterday. I am finishing final planing on the tip section. It was a neet feeling/experience to feel the but section in my hand...it really will be a fly rod. There have been nights I find myself fishing in my dreams with the rod and it works very well in my dreams. The rod is made for me. It wont be a beautiful rod compared to the masters before me...but it will be beautiful to me.In my mind one of the big problems in our society today is the " I have the money and I want it now.". The rich man cant have what we will have when our bamboo turns into a fly rod. My rod will not be for sale it will be the first girl I ever kissed and I have not forgot her.In fact I have been going through lots of stress regarding trying keep a marriege from desolving and the process of building a rod will keep you from being angry. There is no way you can plan a tip section down to final tappers and be mad with yourself or someone else.One thing for sure we all started out at the same level in this experience and we will all fish alone at some time in our lives and it will be easier with a rod in your hand that was build by you.Takecare and look no farther than the plan in your hand happyness will follow. Regards Bill in Colorado from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Wed Jan 29 10:38:53 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16347 for; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:38:49 -0600 Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:38:44 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: Why Don't You Just Buy One ! Cause it's not the same! I just had to say it. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from johnnatk@juno.com Wed Jan 29 12:38:46 1997 ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:38:44 -0600 Subject: Quad tapers I don't know if this question has been answered before, if it has justdirect me to the proper dates in the archives, but is there a source orlist for quad tapers? Is there a book or web site that lists a few ofthem? Just asking. from bootstrap@earthlink.net Wed Jan 29 15:58:22 1997 PAA15924 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:58:20-0600 NAA13735 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:58:03 Subject: Re: planing form Hi, Doc Snider. Reading between the lines implies that you've receivedyour forms. Are they Okay? Frank in Colorado from RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Wed Jan 29 16:10:02 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16945 for; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:10:00 -0600 with BSMTP id 0199; Wed, 29 Jan 97 17:08:58 EST MAINE.MAINE.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with RFC822 id 6398; Wed, 29 Jan1997 17:08:58 -0500Subject: Re: Why Don't You Just Buy One ! Some of you guys write beautifully. Thanks Dewayne et al. Rarely a day goes by that I don't think about fishing, orsome part of the art. It's terribly personal in mind andin practice. I have a few buddies I do fish with, butfew and most of the time I perfer being alone. Beforebig trips, I often start dreaming, just as the salmon takesand I set the hook, I wake up. All I can do is smile, andmy partner has learned to recognize the noctural settingof the hook. It's funny but sometimes I think it is thatinitial strike that is the best part of the on streamexperience. Cane rods are just another extention of the strike, of allthe hope and possibility, and the closer I bring thatto my own hands in the making of all the possibilities,the more honest it becomes. Tight lines, B. from GROMBACHERA@phibred.com Wed Jan 29 16:39:59 1997 QAA19298 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:39:57-0600 16:37:36 -0600 via smap (V3.1) Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) 16:38:13 -0600 Subject: Schaaf and Stein --- nice guys 4.0.994.63 Hey Folks, I have been interested in Dickerson rods since I saw my first one on theSouth Branch of the Ausable (it was a 8015 guide, owned by a heavy setguide- who took dudes downstream in an Ausable boat). I gave them a call a couple of days ago. And what a pair of interestingguys to talk too. Gerald Stein is a wealth of knowledge on theDickerson rods and so is Jim. Jim is very free with his buildingknowledge (he has never met me before), and is willing to give hisadvice. Jim says he builds about 12 rods a year now, and thatDickerson's equipment is a pleasure to work with. They are twos guys that I would like to meet some day. Adios, Alberta Al ----------From: WayneCatt@aol.com[SMTP:WayneCatt@aol.com]Sent: Monday, October 21, 1996 8:06 PM Subject: Ok - So We'll Make It A Week few phone calls and e-mails and having my arm twisted there has been achangein the unofficial schedule. I have been told (by several) that a weekend issimply not enough for some and that a few of the attendees (thoseexhibitingtrue trout bum spirit) will be there on or before the monday preceedingtheweekend get together. I'll avoid the harsh comments used by others oflessening testicular circumference with only wanting to do a weekend.Butwill say that if anyone is thinking that they want to come earlier to dosomefishing in the Grayrock Triangle (Spike's - The Clubhouse - The River)therewill be several there to share in the festivities. from DANNUGENT@aol.com Wed Jan 29 18:45:42 1997 ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:45:38 -0600 Subject: binder makeing binder and just woundering why brass and aluminum?can other alloys be used? thanks DAN from jfoster@gte.net Wed Jan 29 20:31:05 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02980 for; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:31:03 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id UAA24747 for; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:31:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Web Page Tom http://home1.gte.net/jfoster/index.htm please bookmark it...it keeps changing..for the better i hope Jerry from RobBrady@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 29 22:10:03 1997 WAA07919 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:10:00-0600 dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA23526 for; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:09:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Planing forms Joe--today's my lucky day! I finally got my cmputer back up, and I leave message!Rob ----------From: RckyMtKane@aol.com Subject: Re: Planing formsDate: Tuesday, January 14, 1997 5:54 AM Hi RobAs has been said these forms that were made by Herters are quite rare.But Idid see a set at Bob's Tackle in Denver, CO ask for Bob or Betty (303)455-7926 I really didn't look closely at them and can't tell you if theyareexactly what you want.Give them a call. I hope this helps.GoodLuck Joe from teekay35@interlynx.net Wed Jan 29 22:59:58 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10456 for; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:59:57 -0600 XAA22867 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:59:33 - Subject: Fishing Martha's Vineyard in June Four of us from southern Ontario (Hamilton-Toronto area) are planning tofly fish Martha's Vineyard during the week of June 15 to June 20. Each ofus has fished north-eastern salt water once before, but not in this area. Any advice regarding fly patterns, accommodations, local informationsources, should we get a guide, etc. for this area would be appreciated. Send info to Ted Knott at e-mail: teekay35@interlynx.net from RobBrady@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 29 23:13:37 1997 dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA23488 for; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:09:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Planing forms Frank in CO: Thanks for your response. I've had trouble getting on thenet until now, which is why the delay. I am interested in what you have tosay, and in having you make me a form. First off, why does a five sidedconfiguration require two forms? According to what I've read, what I'masking for has already been done, and was for sale through a supplier in NYthat is no longer shipping. So, perhaps I didn't explain myself, or youknow something I'm not getting. To restate, I'm looking for two planingforms in one. One one flat side of the bar stock used would be the tapers produce a five part rod. Why would I need two forms? Please explain, andthanks. ----------From: bootstrap@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Planing formsDate: Monday, January 13, 1997 5:45 AM Sorry, Robert, what you want can't be done. If you check the geometrycarefully, you'll find that any rod configuration other than six sidedrequires two separate forms. I make the hex forms, and I'll sell youone.And I made some of the four and five sided ones a couple of years ago,butthey don't sell well enough to warrant making any more. If you wantanythig other than six-sided, you'll have to do it yourself or contractwith a custom machine shop. Frank in Colo9rado from RobBrady@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 29 23:14:29 1997 dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA23498 for; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:09:44 -0800 Subject: Re: Planing forms TSmithwick--thanks for your kind words. And sorry for the delay-- puter'sbeen out.You are correct in what I am looking for. I am not a mass producer ofrods, and would love to find one of the old Herters if I can. If not, Iwould enjoy ordering the adjustable type from Frank. Let me know if youhear of one, and my thanks to Frank again. ----------From: TSmithwick@aol.com Subject: Re: Planing formsDate: Monday, January 13, 1997 6:42 AM Hello Frank-- I think what Robert was asking for is the old stylenon-adjustable form that was sold by Herters years ago. They were about4feet long by 8 inches wide and had several tapered grooves milled intothem.One configuration had 6 strip grooves on one side, and pairs of 5 stripgrooves on the other. You slid the strips up and down in the grooveswhileplaning to get the right tolerances. Of course, this is harder to do andnotas accurate as using the adjustable forms that you supply, but it isworkable These seldom show up on the market, and when they do they seemoverpricedcompared to your deal on the adjustable form. None of this is much helptoRobert. Frank is right that you will probably have to build the 5 stripformsyourself, unless you get lucky and find an old Herters set. If you feelup tobuilding a set, contact me by E-mail and I will get you some Info. -- TomSmithwick from Fquinchat@aol.com Thu Jan 30 00:29:15 1997 ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:29:13 -0600 Subject: Dickerson Tapers I'm just finishing my 3rd rod, all are 7'6" 5wt (Wayne's taper). Now Iwouldlike to duplicate a Dickerson rod, probably a 8014 or possibly a 8014Guide.Ron Barsh has measurements for 8014 in the latest issue of the PlanningForm.Does anyone have measurements for the 8014 Guide which I believe is alittlemore robust? Thanks, Dennis Bertram, Brighton MI from Jerry.Snider@UC.Edu Thu Jan 30 06:47:18 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27566 for; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 06:47:17 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, Subject: Re: planing form Perhaps they will arrive this afternoon, Frank. I was just ANTICIPATING!Hock blade also backordered, as well as Lie-Nielson scraper. But I'm on myway, and since I have made little headway towards an oven or a binder,thought that I would just put out an inquiry and see what happens. Thanks At 01:58 PM 1/29/97 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Doc Snider. Reading between the lines implies that you've received your forms. Are they Okay? Frank in Colorado Jerry A. Snider Professor of Biological Sciences and Curator of the Herbarium (CINC) Department of Biological Sciences P.O. Box 210006 University of Cincinnati Cincinnati, OH 45221-0006 Phone: Office/lab (513)556-9761 e-mail: CINC@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU http://www.biology.uc.edu/snider/jerry.htm from khube@benmeadows.com Thu Jan 30 08:11:17 1997 IAA01485 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:11:16-0600 09:11:13 -0500 Subject: Re: binder At 07:45 PM 1/29/97 -0500, you wrote:makeing binder and just woundering why brass and aluminum?can other alloys be used? thanks DAN=======================================================================Dan, My Garrison-type binder has a plywood base with plastic guide wheels. Thedrive pulley is a clothes-line pulley from the local hardware store and theguide wheels are actually from the harware section that has a lot of smallparts for sliding doors and windows. The only metal piece I had tofabricatewas the binding cord guide which required a hacksaw and a file. All wooden parts are varnished so the glue cleanup is easy. No magic to any of the materials. Karl Hube from RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Thu Jan 30 09:17:29 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05456 for; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:17:28 -0600 with BSMTP id 3978; Thu, 30 Jan 97 10:16:20 EST MAINE.MAINE.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with RFC822 id 9833; Thu, 30 Jan1997 10:16:20 -0500Subject: Re: Dickerson Tapers Dennis, How do you like the 7'6" rods? I'm thinking of thistaper for my first rod. Can you describe the action?Tight lines, B. from Barry_Demmers@radian.com Thu Jan 30 09:45:50 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07382 for; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:45:47 -0600 JAA07678 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:45:33-0600 (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 6) Enterprise) id 00029920; Thu, 30Jan 97 09:44:20 -0600 Subject: Looking for a little history Hello Rodmakers and Bamboo Enthusiasts, I was given a bamboo flyrod many years ago. It laid in a corner for the longest time because it was in need of repair and I wasn't quite ready for the challenge. Finally, I did get around to it. My question is, has anyone heard of "Horroch's and Sons, Makers of Fishing Tackle", located in Ithaca, New York? A red and gold decal at the base of the flyrod had those words on it as well as the model name "Roosevelt". This is 7'6" dark colored bamboo rod with a moderate action. That's about all I know. I would appreciate any information about the makers of this flyrod if you know of them. Thanks,Barry from DANNUGENT@aol.com Thu Jan 30 10:39:55 1997 ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:39:48 -0600 Subject: Re: binder Karl thanks sound easy enough !going to the hardwear store now!thanks againDAN from FFer4trout@aol.com Thu Jan 30 11:08:52 1997 ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:08:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Looking for a little history In a message dated 97-01-30 10:50:36 EST, you write: My question is, has anyone heard of "Horroch's and Sons, Makers of Fishing Tackle", located in Ithaca, New York? A red and gold decal at the base of the flyrod had those words on it as well as the modelname "Roosevelt". This is 7'6" dark colored bamboo rod with a moderate action. That's about all I know. I would appreciate any information about the makers of this flyrod if you know of them. Thanks,Barry Barry, That should be Horrocks not Horrochs, IMHO. Hugh James (Jim) Horrockformed acompany with George Clark, the Clark - Horrock Co. that later became theHorrock - Ibbotson Company. These companies were in Utica, N.Y. I don'tknowabout the "& Sons" part on your label it's a new label for me. My reference book says that when Mr. H died that his part of the businesswent to his grandson, Richard Balch, so that implies Balch is from anunknown-to-me female's side of the family. Sons had died by then? Might be an early label? Clark died in 1908 and Jim Horrock died in 1927. H-I was a huge production rod house and turned out rods of okay qualityandlower. The Roosevelt was one of their model names. Their Roosevelt hadNi-plated brass ferrules and was near the lower-end of their model line. Ididn't know it came in a 2 piece size (my guess from rod's 7'6" length), butH-I made a huge # of models over the years. Most 2 piece H-I rods werecalledTonka Prince, Queen or King's. Since it's a short rod and if it's not brokenit might be worth $150 - $200 restored. Might be worth a lot more to a H-I collector due to the special label. Itmight have had only one tip when new, since H-I sold many rods this way.Wraps might be (can't be sure with H-I) red with gold tipping or if a laterrod with med. brown and no tipping. The dark cane sounds like it might be alate rod. Don Burns Try e-mailing Michael Sinclair, author of my source book, atcaneclinic@aol.com for details on your label. from jlintve1@ic3.ithaca.edu Thu Jan 30 13:59:05 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27598 for; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 13:58:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Looking for a little history Priority: normalComments: Authenticated sender is I attend college here in Ithaca. If you would like some help I wouldbe glad to try and find out what I can. Jon Send me an e-mail from bootstrap@earthlink.net Thu Jan 30 14:00:34 1997 OAA27747 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:00:32-0600 MAA17242 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:00:01 1357492990==_============" Subject: used forms query --============_-1357492990==_============ Hi, Bryan. In answer to your query: No I don't have any used ones. I dohave, however some reject sets that are in various stages of completion.(see attached file) These as-is, no warrantee sets are $25.00 (that's forpacking and shipping). I can ship these immediately, but you'll heve to putsome work into them. My regular forms are $300.00, and they areavailable getting a set of forms within two weeks- and it's that important that youhave them under deadline pressure- I'd question seriously that thiscraft/hobby is for you. The implication I read in your message is thattime is of the essence in getting a set of forms. If time is thatimportant to you, go downtown and buy a graphite rod. Please don't beinsulted, I'm just trying to set a tone of patience and quality here. Thisis a wonderful, satisfying craft, and it can't be-and shouldn't-be rushed.Frank in Colorado --============_-1357492990==_============ Okay, here's thelong and the short of it: Ralph Moon and I, in aboutApril of '94 started making planing forms. I found a large machine shop inCarlsbad NM to make them. We made them in batches of fourteen. Theshopforeman, Dave, came in on his own time and made the first several batchesof forms. Dave understood what was important and was careful aboutsettingthe raw stock into the fixture carefully. We made three or four productionruns that way.Then Dave got promoted, and another machinist -unbeknownst to me- startedmaking the forms. Well, that they were bad is an understatement. Thisguyjust put them in the jig and started cutting. He didn't check foralignment or parallellism.I started getting froms back from rodmakers- they were bad! Thetaper andchamfer were okay, but the holes were offline or drilled at an angle. Iput out a recall letter and recovered all of the bad forms. I put all ofthe recalled forms in the garage while I tried to figure out what had gonewrong.While I was trying to design a rework procedure and repair all of thebadones, another batch came to me here in Aurora- I put them in the garagetoo, I was not going to ship them until I fixed the problem. This batchhadn't been tapped yet. Then I found out that they had changed machineoperators on me, Dave was not available-- and also that the company hadbeen sold to Westinghouse- new management- and they wouldn't acceptanymore orders for forms. Remember, I had all of these bad and questionableuntapped forms stacking up in the garage!I found a new supplier, a family owned machine shop in Albuquerque. Iexplained the problem to Dan, the owner, and Dan assured me that thatparticular problem would not be repeated. A machinist named Al wasassigned to the job, I explained to Al what was critical, showed him howthe forms were used, and Al has made all of our forms since then. We'venot made any bad forms since those changes.Then I had medical problems and was out of service for severalmonths.I'm back on station now and ready for duty.But- remember those partially completed forms, and those badforms?They're all in the garage and I want to gert rid of them. I've sent someof them to experienced guys who have reworked them, and they can bemadeinto perfectly good forms. You have to either redrill the holes, tap theholes, draw file the surfaces, or some combination of each. The angles aregood and the tapers are good.Anyhow, I'll send one or more of them to any experienced rodmakerwho iswilling to accept them as-is; all I'm asking is that you pay a shipping andhandling charge of $25.00 for each one. They're all packed up and ready toship, so there's no selection. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances.No guarantee, no returns.Don't badmouth me for shipping shoddy forms. I know they're bad, andthat's why I'm offering them this way. Call me at (303)745-1353 if youwant more information. I'll take your order for as long as they last.First come-first served. Frank Armbruster, Colorado Bootstrap. --============_-1357492990==_============-- from johnnatk@juno.com Thu Jan 30 14:20:42 1997 ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:20:41 -0600 Subject: Quad Tapers Is there any accepted math formula for converting a hexagonal taper to aquad? I want to try the method Bruce Conner suggests on his web page about what I want to build. Thanks from d-deloach1@ti.com Thu Jan 30 15:55:58 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07826 for; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 15:55:56 -0600 with ESMTP id PAA10960 for ; Thu, 30 Jan1997 15:55:54 -0600 robin.itg.ti.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA06101 for dpcs4.itg.ti.com (TI SMTPMail MTA v1.0.8.3) with SMTP id PFVFCWAR; Thu,30 Jan 1997 15:55:23 -0600 (Central Standard Time) boundary="BeyondBoundary_3_Thu_Jan_30_15:55:19_1997__18BE" Subject: hello Conversation-Id: --BeyondBoundary_3_Thu_Jan_30_15:55:19_1997__18BE All, I have been reading your postings now for about three days and I amthoroughlyconvinced that I am just like many of you. I too am embarrassed by what Iwouldterm "crass commercialism" in the fly fishing industry today. There was atimewhen everybody fished with cane, nobody weighted their leaders andeverybodydelighted in every fish they caught, regardless of size. These days if yourroddoesn't cast seventy feet with ease you're behind the times, even though inmyhumble opinion casting this distance is most of the time useless, becausewhocan exercise good line control at this distance? That's a whole othersubject.I venture to guess that if many of these modern Sage RPL-equippedfishermenwould switch to more classic actioned "slow" rods, they wouldbe forced to fishthe closer distances and would therefore be less prone to drag and wouldultimately catch more fish. The point is that rods don't catch fish;fishermenthat are skilled enough to know the limits of their ability catch fish.Enoughof the off-the-cuff philosophy. I have never fished with a bamboo fly rod, much less built one. I wastaught toflyfish, however, by my Mom, who learned from her uncle, an angler andgentleman of the highest order. She progressed fast, and at an early age,somuch so that he bought her an cane rod built by E.C. Powell when she wasstillin her teens (does anybody deserve such a gift!). She fished with that rod for at least thirty years, through the mountainsofColorado, where she spent her summers, and in neighboring streams ofWyoming,Utah, Montana and New Mexico. She fished with that rod until about thetime Iwas born (1972), and the guide wraps and varnish had given out, andpromptlybought one of the new graphite rods (she never liked fiberglass). My Mom always talked about how sweet the rod was, about how it felt tocast,that there was nothing like the feel of cane. I wondered about cane allthroughmy early years in flyfishing, when I started out with a short fiberglassrodand progressed to a lighter, faster graphite model. I recently got back inthesport in the past year and have had to relearn a lot of what I had forgottenabout casting, presentation, flytying, etc. Like most modern neophytes Igotsold on the fast action design trend of modern manufacturers. I bought a 9foot5 weight like everyone else and soon I was casting long distances andfightingoff crowds on big, productive rivers like everyone else. Had I transformedmyself into an Orvis-clad mutant that blended into the throngs of thepost-ARiver Runs Through It flyfishing craze? Thankfully, because of my roots,andmost of all the memory of my mom's rod, I did not. This past summer we got out the old rod and admired it together. At first Ithought it was merely a museum-piece that we were looking at, until Ibegan toread about the outstanding resiliency of cane, that most any bamboo rod,aslong as it had been stored in a dry place for however long, could berefinishedto its former glory. I was pumped. Just the idea of fishing with an old rod was good enough forme.Then I read further. Cane is not, as the modern literature would likeeveryoneto believe, an antiquated material that has next to no demand any more.Quitethe contrary, I hear you saying. "Cane is still unsurpassed in its loadingproperties and delicacy of presentation," I read. Hmm, I thought. Could itbepossible that graphite is not the best way but perhaps just a differentway?The answers to my questions came quickly as I thought about all theanalogs.Antique furniture and Stradivarius violins are two that came to mind.Todaysomeone with little or no musical talent can program a synthesizer tosoundlike a symphony orchestra capable of playing the greatest works fromeverymajor composer flawlessly. Some would say why even continue playing oldwoodeninstruments, much less continue building them? They are extremelyexpensive andtime-consuming to make, they require a lifetime of patience and practice,notmention they are fragile, many being irreplaceable. The synthesizer "musician" can take his orchestra anywhere, play anything"perfectly," and plays an instrument that is guaranteed against failure andbacked by free replacement warranty. Just send us the defective chip andwe'llsend you a new one. $5.00 for postage and handling, sorry for theinconvenience, good playing. Sound like any of the guarantees you've readaboutin the magazines? I believe there is something fundamentally wrong withoursport when most modern fishermen fail to recognize the artistic qualitiesinherent in it. Money can't buy tight loops. Or fisherman's nirvana. Enoughsaid. This newsgroup as well as the Cattanach book and the eminent delivery ofmymom's refinished rod have convinced me that I am not alone in believingthatsome fly fishermen are destined to fish with cane the rest of their lives. Ihave decided that I will no doubt love fishing with the Powell and willsoonafter decide on a taper and build my own. Honestly, I feel as thoughmyfishing life will start all over again the day I catch my first trout withtherod I am destined to build. Corny, yes, but true! So there you have it, whether you asked for it or not-- the rebirth of afly- fisherman!! Thanks and Keep up the great work, (you'll be hearing from me again when Istart my rod!)Don DeLoach --BeyondBoundary_3_Thu_Jan_30_15:55:19_1997__18BE Part 1.2 Name: ATTRIBS.BNDType: unspecified type (application/octet- stream)Encoding: x-uuencode --BeyondBoundary_3_Thu_Jan_30_15:55:19_1997__18BE-- from bootstrap@earthlink.net Thu Jan 30 16:52:18 1997 QAA14645 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:52:16-0600 OAA03494 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:52:07 Subject: Re: hello Hi, Don, and thanks for those fine words. I've printed them and they aregoing to be given to a fly fishing friend of mine- he's not on the net.He'll appreciate them as I have. And welcome to the group. Frank inColorado from d-deloach1@ti.com Thu Jan 30 17:15:14 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16479 for; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 17:15:12 -0600 with ESMTP id RAA00292 for ; Thu, 30 Jan1997 17:15:10 -0600 robin.itg.ti.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA24358 for dpcs4.itg.ti.com (TI SMTPMail MTA v1.0.8.3) with SMTP id GJXOAQBC; Thu,30 Jan 1997 17:14:41 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Subject: Re: hello Conversation-Id: Frank: What part of Colorado are you from--I consider Lake City my second home.Cut myteeth as a youngster on the Lake Fork, Henson, Big Blue, Cebolla and Brush. -Don from FISHWOOL@aol.com Thu Jan 30 22:01:05 1997 ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 22:01:03 -0600 Subject: Re: cane concerns Bill, anyone who asks that question just doesn't get it.Hank. from Fquinchat@aol.com Fri Jan 31 04:53:05 1997 ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 04:53:04 -0600 Subject: Re: Schaaf and Stein --- nice guys Al: Would be interested in talking to Schaaf and Stein about Dickerson tapers.Do you have a number? Dennis Bertram, Brighton,MI from jonrc@atlantic.net Fri Jan 31 06:01:53 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA22826 for; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 06:01:51 -0600 berlin.atlantic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA27471 for; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 07:06:55 -0500 Subject: Re: hello Hi Don, Welcome to the group, or should I say "welcome home". You'll find manyfly fisherman that feel the same way that you do.-- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water. Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from whensel@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 31 08:08:04 1997 ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 06:07:59 -0800 Subject: Re: hello Hi Don,Thanks for the post. At your age it is uncommon to here those comments. The river we saie down called life has many twist to it some I suppose we never understand and so be it.Bamboo is like a sensative women your fingers may long to touch the contur of her body and her action may at time be soft and gentle and like bamboo if you abuse the planing process it will cut deep and your blood will flow.Fish the rod and if a special feeling comes into your fingers and moves into your heart do not look the other way. Many men waste years thinking about making their own rod and finally they never do. Then some come into contact with this natural substance molded from a mans hands called a fly rod and a romance begans and begans and begans with each new fishing day. I only wish my personal life with my wife could be the same. It may end up me and only the rod I made and that might not be so bad. Reagards Bill in Colorado from TSmithwick@aol.com Fri Jan 31 08:15:36 1997 ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:15:35 -0600 Subject: Planing forms from Barry_Demmers@radian.com Fri Jan 31 08:17:56 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28388 for; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:17:52 -0600 IAA17197; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:17:36 -0600 (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 6) Enterprise) id 0002AC03; Fri, 31Jan 97 08:18:07 -0600 Subject: Re: Horrocks and Ibbotsen rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Good Morning, Mac, I do believe you are right about the names Horrock and Ibbotsen. describe them as best I can. It is a very worn (hopefully, well fished) flyrod. It did have an old wrapping, or two, of green with red tips. The decal is a gold diamond with the maker's names placed on the outer edges and an inner red diamond bearing the words "Ithaca, NY" in the center. There is a gold banner connecting to the gold diamond with the name "ROOSEVELT" in it. The reel seat is plated brass, center screwed through the bottom, and it is engraved with the word "CONGRESS'. That's it. I have used the flyrod only once. But after reading Don's note this morning, I plan to use it more often. Mac, thank you for your wisdom. To the others who responded to my quest for "a little history", thank you for your help. "Rodmakers@wugate" has become an extension to flyfishing for me. Barry ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: Horrocks and IbbotsenAuthor: "CHRISTOPHER C MCDOWELL" at Internet Hi Barry, I think the label may read Horrocks and Ibbotsen. If the label is worn a little then it may be hard to read. Horrock and Ibbotsen produced a lot of bamboo rods from the 20's all the way up to about the 50's. I have a 9' Roosevelt that I recently restored. The 7 1/2' rod you have should carry more value because of the shorter length. Unfortunately H and I rods are not considered high quality. They were mass produced for the average fisherman (like me) and were priced affordably. I can obtain more details about the history of the company and the wrap colors and hardware style the rod you have if you would like to know. Let me know. One more thing, the rod can be roughly dated based on the shape of the label and the reelseat. Describe what the label looks like and the reelseat style and I'll see what I can come up with. Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from Barry_Demmers@radian.com Fri Jan 31 08:25:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28856 for; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:24:56 -0600 IAA17325 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:24:44 -0600 (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 6) Enterprise) id 0002AC19; Fri, 31Jan 97 08:23:16 -0600 Subject: Re[2]: Looking for a little history Hi Jon,Thanks for the offer. I have posted as much as I know about the Horrocks and Ibbotsen flyrod and Mac has provided a great deal more than I expected. Good luck at school ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: Re: Looking for a little historyAuthor: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu at Internet I attend college here in Ithaca. If you would like some help I would be glad to try and find out what I can. Jon Send me an e-mail from TSmithwick@aol.com Fri Jan 31 09:35:26 1997 ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:35:24 -0600 Subject: Re: Quad Tapers John - The conversion factor from 6 to 4 strip is to multiply the 6 stripdimension by .93. This will give you the same cross sectional area in eachrod, and therefore the same volume of cane. The 4 strip rod will haveslightly more power fiber due to the lower angles of the strips. Quads arevery interesting, but are somewhat more difficult to build. I hope you havesome experience with 6 or 5 strip rods. -- Tom Smithwick from khube@benmeadows.com Fri Jan 31 10:08:00 1997 KAA08280 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 10:07:58 -0600 11:07:56 -0500 Subject: Varnish Here are a couple of varnish questions: 1) I have only used spar varnish up till now. I have a little one-piece rodwith a second coat drying now. Drying time is always slow on thismaterial,but I wondered if I could help myself with a little heat. Nothing dramatic,just a tube with a 100 watt bulb for a gentle column of heated air. Anycomments on this process ? I try to wait until the feel has no tack to it and then 4-0 steel wool thesurface for the next coat. This is the first wipe-on finish I've tried andthings look promising. 2) After some dialog with Don Anderson, Jonathan Clarke and few otherfolks,I'm setup tp try polyurethane and tung oil test finishes on the next coupleof rods.The tung oil seems straightforward enough, but the drying cycle on thepolyurethane is a problem. The can instructions clearly say that the recoattime should be about 8 hours....before the preceeding coat completelydries.On the other hand, I have some notes from a post on the list that says wait24 hours and do the steel wool drill before coating. What is a provenrecoatcycle? Always appreciate your generous comments. Karl Hube from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Fri Jan 31 11:00:36 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12269 for; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:00:35 -0600 (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA289180033; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:00:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Varnish I've seen a lot of posts on multiple finish coats. I was wondering what others opinions are on multiple coats as opposed to one coat. I only refinish older rods so I always use spar varnish. By the time I'm done with color preservation and at least one coat of varnish on the wrapsthere is 6 to 8 coats of some type of finish on the wraps, but the rod itself is dipped (over the guides) with one coat of full strength, filtered and fresh spar varnish. My experience with painting cabinets and fine woodwork has shown methat varnish adheres better to a surface, but polyurethane has a tougher shell. Often we would apply a coat of varnish, allow to dry, sand with 400 grit paper and then apply one or two coats of polyurethane. This way we would have good adhesion and a tough finish. Has anyone ever tried this combination? Do most of you use multiple coats or are there others who use one dipped coat on the rod? Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from rbarch@remc8.k12.mi.us Fri Jan 31 18:35:03 1997 SAA19572 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 18:35:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Why Don't You Just Buy One ! At 04:55 PM 1/29/97 EST, you wrote:Some of you guys write beautifully. Thanks Dewayne et al. Rarely a day goes by that I don't think about fishing, orsome part of the art. It's terribly personal in mind andin practice. I have a few buddies I do fish with, butfew and most of the time I perfer being alone. Beforebig trips, I often start dreaming, just as the salmon takesand I set the hook, I wake up. All I can do is smile, andmy partner has learned to recognize the noctural settingof the hook. It's funny but sometimes I think it is thatinitial strike that is the best part of the on streamexperience. Cane rods are just another extention of the strike, of allthe hope and possibility, and the closer I bring thatto my own hands in the making of all the possibilities,the more honest it becomes. Tight lines, B. I am not sure who will read this but I want to point out that Bob Milardois one of those rare individuals who understands the "soul of our sport". Awhile back he sent me some of his Atlantic Salmon hair wings.....If he canmake a rod to compare to the art he creates on a hook then perfection hasbeen accomplished. Well maybe we need a reel and some line on a daywithcrisp fall breezes, some blue wings olives and a bottle of Merlo. Ron Barch from fiveside@net-gate.com Fri Jan 31 18:47:44 1997 SAA20045 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 18:47:42 -0600 TAA19591 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 19:47:40 - Subject: Rod Transport II Hi Wayne, Your concern about your first Epoxy rod is "deja-vue" all over again. Backin the late sixties I had the same feeling with my first Epon bonded rodbutthirty years later all is still OK. More recently I had concerns about fivesiders because of Garrison's views and rumors about Uslan's products.Beatthe heck out of my first fiver but it passed all tests. Now I'm a bitworried about Titebond II splices for nodeless, but after the first year allis well. How else do we progress? How about some more info about those compound stress curves of yours?Seven more weeks to spring. Bill Fink from fiveside@net-gate.com Fri Jan 31 18:47:46 1997 SAA20050 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 18:47:44 -0600 TAA19594 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 19:47:42 - Subject: Tapers III Hi Hank,Right you are: graphing a taper and adding/subtracting a little wood hereand there can result in fine rods. Been doing it for years. It's also truethat cane density, and a dozen other factors affect our results. As you say,there are no absolutes. But consider this situation: you worked out a dandytaper for a seven footer for a 4 weight line. You would like to duplicate itin an eight footer for a 5 weight line. Very likely your best chance forsuccess would be to use the same stress curve on the new rod becausestresscurves define the "personality" of a rod.The BS continues. And it's fun. Bill Fink from FFer4trout@aol.com Fri Jan 31 19:55:43 1997 ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 19:55:41 -0600 Subject: Re: Horrocks and Ibbotsen In a message dated 97-01-31 20:06:25 EST, you write: From: Barry_Demmers@radian.com (Barry Demmers)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Good Morning, Mac, I do believe you are right about the names Horrock and Ibbotsen. to describe them as best I can. It is a very worn (hopefully, well fished) flyrod. It did have an old wrapping, or two, of green withred tips. Colors could be originals. Hard to tell with H-I rods. If the wrappings areno longer covered with varnish, you should apply a very light spar varnishcoat or two. The decal is a gold diamond with the maker's names placed on theouter edges and an inner red diamond bearing the words "Ithaca, NY" in the center. There is a gold banner connecting to the gold diamond withthe name "ROOSEVELT" in it. This logo dates from about 1929 to 1934, I believe. The reel seat is plated brass, center screwed through the bottom,and it is engraved with the word "CONGRESS'. That's it. I have used the flyrod only once. But after reading Don's note this morning, I plan to use it more often. Enjoy the rod. When done with your day of fishing, don't store it away in astorage tube if its still wet. Cane rods need a little TLC. Let it dry off atroom temp. and out of the sunlight. Take care of the plated brass ferrules-that will be one of the "weakest links" in a H-I rod. Mac, thank you for your wisdom. To the others who responded to my quest for "a little history", thank you for your help. "Rodmakers@wugate" has become an extension to flyfishing for me. Barry Check out this url for a value: http://www.gorp.com/bamboo.htm Tight lines, Don Burns from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Jan 31 21:58:12 1997 ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:58:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Tapers III Bill,I made some changes in a 81/2' for a 6 taper to an 8' for a 5 using graphpaper,experience, and SWAG and it turned out fine. Don't misunderstand-sometimes SWAG gives me some horrors but I'm getting better atmodifyingtapers-they say experience helps but does it have to be bad tolearn?Anyway,I'm still haveing fun.Keep your fingers off the cane edges,Hank. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Jan 31 21:58:21 1997 ; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:58:18 -0600 Subject: Old rod To all,I've been asked to refinish a 3 pc. 8' Abercrombie &Fitch YellowstoneSpecial.Does anyone know the maker? The rod has a metal cap and ring (allmetal),intermediate wraps, a 5" cork cigar. The model name and seller areengravedin the metal slide of the reelseat. The writing above the cork is gone.Thereis a swell an inch above the cork and the wraps appear to be rose-what'sleftof 'em.Any help will be appreciated.Thanks ,Hank Woolman. from tpaulsen@ecity.net Fri Jan 31 22:13:12 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA28367 for; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:13:10 -0600 Subject: Corey steel co A few weeks back a Corey Steel in Chicago was listed as a Nickle SilverSupplier. I wrote to them and the letter came back that the P O Box hadbeen closed out. is this co. still in fussiness? Thanks Terry Paulsen from dcanny@mhtc.net Fri Jan 31 22:41:36 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29270 for; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:41:35 -0600 pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA29413 for Subject: l882 patented orvis rod Hi,Saw an Orvis 9.5' 1882 patent date, with strip cork grip, ns reelseat with simple slip ring today in an antique store. In good shape, two tips full length, one tiptop missing. Cloth bag and round wood case also in good shape. Any idea what the value would range on this?Also saw a very unusual hexagon rod, 10.5', wood handle with turned rings to imitate ratan painted black, the rod was nicely wrapped with leather as a finished surface. Has anyone heard of this. I have never read anything about this practice. Any info would be appreciated. Thankyou in advance. David