from heist@p2.acadia.net Wed Jan 1 10:22:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16286 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:21:59 -0600 p2.acadia.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04984 for Subject: Frank's forms Hey Bill Hensel,I enjoyed your comments/praises the other day about Frank Armburter'sformsand I was relaying some of it to him, unfortunatly he missed your letter.I thought if you still have it or someone else still has the letter intheir mail box they could repost it or e-mail it to Frank atbootstrap@earthlink.net. Do in part to your letter I am going to order oneof Frank's forms.Thanks I always appreciate your input on this listserve.Jerry Heist from mhonywel@po.fast.net Wed Jan 1 10:30:29 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16441 for ;Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:27:38 -0600 (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vfTWs-00044CC; Wed, 1 Jan 97 11:28 EST Subject: unsuscribe I would like to cancel this subscription please. Michael M. Honeywell1257 knossos drwhitehall pa. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Wed Jan 1 11:48:35 1997 1997 11:48:33 -0600 Jan 1997 12:48:33 -0500 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: New year nodeless Tony,I center the tabs on the edges(seams). I have filed a taper in theblank through the fluting of the ferrule down to the i.d. of the ferrule. Ifile the start of the taper enough so the outside edge of the tabs are flushwith the cane edges. I glue the ferrules on before I file the tabs. This isdone by hand.counting the strokes as I don't have a lathe. As a resultsometimes I am not precise enough to preclude separation but usually itworks, To mark the cane I lay thr male ferrule next to the cane (I usesuperz's-the male and female internals are the same) and mark the 2 ends ofthefluting so I know where to file.Hope this helps,Hank. P.S. Garrison does mention placing the tabs on the corners but I feel thatWayne Catt's book does a better overall job -I'm not in business withWaynebut count him as a very helpful friend. from FFer4trout@aol.com Wed Jan 1 12:36:30 1997 ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:36:29 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:36:28 -0500 Subject: Re: cost cutting In a message dated 96-12-31 23:03:06 EST, you write: Subj: cost cuttingDate: 96-12-31 23:03:06 ESTFrom: GLohkamp@aol.comSender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Just starting out building rods , it became very apparent that the sustainingcosts are high . That is not counting any tools or forms , binder ect. l justseen the new prices for n\s ferrules at $41 two male set. add that tothereel seat guides silk ect, your talking $ 140-150 for each rod. This is ok costdown to $59 each . first because l have more time than money, l'veelected tobuild as many basic components for the rod myself .l've traded a rod forasmall metal lathe which made this alot simpler . The thing l really wanted to say is on the very few first rods l usedferrules made of brass tubing that l got at the hobby store , they use ittomake rc car frames . lt's got the correct wall thickness and comes intheright sizes. You can cut it with a tubing cutter sweat it together andyouhave a good ferrule for about 2 bucks .You dont need a lathe for this .This helped me get the cost down so l could build more rods until lstartedgetting the results that l wanted, then l moved up to n\s ferrules .Last thing good cork is real expensive too , but you can get good corkringswith out the center hole , unbleached for a lot less. l paid 16 cents each bleachedones when they have been turned down. l would like to hear about other ways to keep the cost down. thanks gary Gary, That's a lot of work when you can buy Ni-plated brass ferrules for about$1.50 - $2.00. If you could find NS tubing (used to be at hobby shops yearsago) then I'd say it might be worth it. Cheap cork can be found free at the end of a wine bottle. Needs lots'a laborof love to make into something useful. Free bamboo can be found just down the road from me (in Southern CA) too.Cutyour own! No, I don't ship! Don B. from rcurry@jlc.net Wed Jan 1 13:07:30 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19750 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:07:28 -0600 verdi.jlc.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA08962 for Subject: Split or serrated ... or neither All,With all this talk of where to place the tabs, edges vs. flats, whatabout those cases where you are using split ferrules? I have used splitferrules with excellent results for replacements on rods which had splitferrules. Some of the old rodmakers swear by the split (sawn). I,personally, like the classic "line of beauty" cut used on some ferrules. As to where the "tab" goes with such a sawn ferrule? It usuallystartson a flat.The third option is the annealled and peened ferrule. I have seen thisused with great effect. Chris B. built a rod with ferrules applied inthis manner, what problems did this give you re: separation, Chris?Best regards,Reed from domenic1@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 1 13:50:52 1997 LAA05382 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 11:50:47 -0800 1997 14:50:59 -0500 Subject: Fileing Nodes =_NextPart_000_01BBF7F3.335BFA00" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBF7F3.335BFA00 Can anyone tell me how they file nodes prior to straghtening? I file my =nodes,then straghten them .They look great,but after heat treating they =pop out.Then by the time I level them again,I cut alot of fibers. Any =tricks? ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBF7F3.335BFA00-- from cbogart@ibm.net Wed Jan 1 15:45:04 1997 ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 15:45:03 -0600 ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:50:13 -0500 Priority: Normal boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.E3CND2138764=_=_=_"Subject: Re: Split or serrated ... or neither --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.E3CND2138764=_=_=_ Reed Ref the rod with annealled and pinned ferrules -I used fairly thick thread (red / black silk jasper) for it.the thread is between A and C size - It is the stuff I sent you. So no problems at all with the rod. I had it at Roscoe another way of doing things. But I have attached anGIF file of the male portion and another of female andtip to show this type of ferrule. Chris from rcurry@jlc.net Wed Jan 1 16:39:09 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24357 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:39:07 -0600 verdi.jlc.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA11736 for Subject: Re: Split or serrated ... or neither Chris Bogart wrote: Reed Ref the rod with annealled and pinned ferrules -I used fairly thick thread (red / black silk jasper) for it.the thread is between A and C size - It is the stuff I sentyou. So no problems at all with the rod. I had it at Roscoe another way of doing things. But I have attached anGIF file of the male portion and another of female andtip to show this type of ferrule. Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------[Image] [Image]Chris,Great pictures. Nice looking rod.Actually, I said "peened", although those ferrules were also pinned.Bypeened, I meant beating the metal with a ballpeen hammer, a very smallballpeen hammer. Any separation yet?Also, name your SM poison.Reed from bssb@voicenet.com Wed Jan 1 18:49:55 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26324 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 18:49:54 -0600 Subject: New to Bamboo Rod building Greetings Group, I've just subscribed to this news group and want to introducemyself. I've been building rods (graphite) for 6 years. I am findingbuilding these rods less of a challenge and not very rewarding these days.I would like to move into Bamboo rod building but not sure where/how tostart. Any suggestions on good books, or how to get started would begreatly appreciated. I'm from the Pottstown ares (PA). I look forward tofuture conversations with this group. Bruce Campo from bootstrap@earthlink.net Wed Jan 1 19:22:08 1997 TAA27469 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 19:22:06 -0600 RAA06592 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:21:58 - Subject: Re: New to Bamboo Rod building Hi, welcome. in order, my recommendations are as follows:1. Get a book- Cattanach's or Carmichael/Garrison. You might find theCarmichael book in your public library if you're lucky.2. Decide if you really want to get involved.3. Get your spouse or significant other to concur- explain that thishobby/sport is addicting :-)4. Buy or borrow Cattanach's videotape. asmany back issues as Ron has left.)6. Continue asking questions on the newsgroup. Surf the websites dealingwith cane rodmaking.7. Attend a workshop. Follow your instincts. Good luck. Happy New Year.Frank in Colorado from williamsw@n-link.com Wed Jan 1 20:42:22 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA29208 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 20:42:21 -0600 (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA28809 for ;Wed, 1 Jan 1997 20:42:19 - 0600 Subject: Re: unsuscribe michael honeywell wrote: I would like to cancel this subscription please. Michael M. Honeywell1257 knossos drwhitehall pa. Please do not send requests to unsuscribe to everyone on the list. Please use the following procedure as was outlined in your welcomeletter. To signoff from the list, email to listproc@mail.wustl.edu with thefollowing request: signoff RODMAKERSorunsubscribe RODMAKERS from dcanny@mhtc.net Wed Jan 1 21:17:55 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00433 for; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 21:17:53 -0600 pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA26639 for Subject: Info on Southbend Double Built Rod Hi, Just received a Southbend Double Built Rod with the letters HDH or D to the right of the Southbend Decal and across from the Double Built decal are the numbers 312-8 1/2'. Can anyone tell me more about this particular rod. It is in excellent condition, I do not believe it was used that often. It came with two tips and they both are in the same condition. Thanks for your help. David from cheri@jit.com Wed Jan 1 23:14:12 1997 VAA27175 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 21:13:57 -0800 Subject: Rod: quick intro from a lady interested in BAMBOO rods! => Hi, folks ... Well, I've been reading & "lurking" from Cheri - in York SC USA ... I'm new to all of this & I wish to learn from the proslike you. Why? So I can enjoy _spending time w/ my Dad_once he completes his "new & improved" larger woodshop. He's not into fishing really, but he is a whiz at woodworking. He has a fish pond he made himself (dug w/ borrowed machines).We're thinking of planting a bamboo grove at his new homesite,too. BUT, he wonders if the bamboo will grow outta _control_. Anyone here know _how to contain_ bamboo's rapid growth? ;-) I spent 3 years living in Tokyo while a US Air Force officer,so I know firsthand how _sturdy_, reliable, & versatile bambooreally is ... it's an amazing & beautiful natural resource. We have a source locally, but haven't "planted" any ... YET! Looking forward to learning, chatting, woodworking,& spending time w/ my Dad doing his favorite things. Cheers, folks ... - Cheri Sigmon - from dmichels@usitc.gov Thu Jan 2 06:16:41 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA11419 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 06:16:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Correction of Color (deficiency) Blindness Hi Dave Canny: I read in the past about corrections for color deficiency, but have always wondered why such a treatment was never popular or available. Is this experimental? Personally, I am one of the 8 percent and am deficient in the reds/greens. I flunked both the isochromatomorphic charts and the good ol' farnsworth lantern test My appreciation for color is mainly in the blues and I do use contrasting colors (like reds along with blues, gold metallic, sometimes green) when wrapping. Heck, the fish are colour blind anyway, so I don't think they are going to notice anyway. -------------Original Text David Canny wrote: Hi,To start with I mistakenly sent the wrong e-mail on the samesubject, sorry.I am new at this. For the last month I have been taking in all thehelpful information from the RODMAKERS, it is now time to contribute. Asan Optometrist for the last 36 years I have frequently had requests tocorrect a patient's color deficiency. It was discovered in 1968 duringdeep sea vision research that a simple red lens over one eye could givecolor discrimination to over 90% of the color deficient population.There are at least 8% of the male and .5% of the female population thathave some degree of color deficiency. When I had a patient with colordeficiency I simple placed a red trial lens over one of the patient'seyes and had them re-read the color chart. In over 90% of the casestotal color discrimination for the 19 plates was attained. Some patientswere fitted with the x-chrom contact lens, a red lens made exclusively variance in color, flowers became much more interesting because of thegraduation of colors. One patient had to remove his contact lens whiledriving by a long field where new steel posts with a red top wereinstalled. He said it was like someone flashing a red light in his sidevision, as he drove by.I suspect that a few of you have trouble picking out the right colorthread etc, my suggestion is the next time you are checked by your eyeDoctor, ask if he or she will re-test you with a red "trial lens" overone eye. You will quickly know if you are correctable.Most times correction for color deficiency was accomplished withspectacles and worn only when the need for color discriminationoccurred.Obviously walking around in public with one clear lens and one red lenswas not appealing, thus the contact lens for constant correction. Itdoes come in a soft and rigid form.If anyone has questions I would be glad to share my knowledge in thisarea. Good vision, David Canny, O.D.Platteville, Wisconsin from Fallcreek9@aol.com Thu Jan 2 07:44:07 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 07:44:04 -0600 RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:44:03 -0500 Subject: Leonard Parts Greetings:Have a friend who is refinishing a Leonard 9-0 Tournament, 3-pc 1950'smade.Needs a stripper guide and a tip snake, approx 1/0. Anyone have a sourcetoshare or any leads of any kind to help find these items? Your help wouldbegreatly appreciated. Best to all in '97,Richard Tyree from rm5552@gumby.engsvc.hazeltine.com Thu Jan 2 08:39:33 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15371 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:39:32 -0600 (1.37.109.16/3.1.090690-Hazeltine Corporation) (4.1/SMI-4.1) Subject: Re: Reels Phil, -Bob MatarazzoMelville, NY from FFer4trout@aol.com Thu Jan 2 09:03:33 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:03:31 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:03:31 -0500 Subject: 97 Catalogs? Hi all: My first '97 fishing related catalog arrived, from Netcraft. Seems they'vemerged with Jann's Sportsman's Supplies to become Jann's Netcraft. Thenewcatolog is vastly improved for flytying materials and somewhat better forrod-building supplies, but little bamboo- rod related goodies. But note, their price for NPB ferrules jumped about $0.50 each to averageabout a heady price of 2 bucks each. Also, the smallest size ferrule(10/11)has disappeared too. Gone are many "funky" old items and one new item that caught my eye wasa newfly reel from Marado. Comes in 3 sizes (4/5, 6/7, 8/9), L/R convert., made from die-cast AL, has a counter-balanced spool, roller bearings and ateflondisk-drag all for $34.99! Sounds like a nice backup reel for you guys withthe Hardy budgets, or a good 1st reel for us morals. While on the subject of catalogs, is there any other good cane rod buildingcatalogs that I should add to my '97 list? I get the Dale Clemens and Angler Workshop catalogs now and severalsmallercompanies that cater mostly to the graphite rod market. Plus the Orvis,L.L.Bean and Cabella's catalogs and 6 or 7 classic-rod dealer lists. Don B. PS - May your 1997 be filled with good weather and good fishing stories. from Anachemrpo@aol.com Thu Jan 2 09:16:57 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:16:56 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:16:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard Parts You might try the people at R.E.C. Corporation in Morrisville Vt..802-888- 7200. I believe that they purchased a bunch of Leonardcomponents (ifnot the whole pile of assets) when the company closed. I bought a Leonard(engraved) butt cap and other components from them for a Leonard blankthat Ibought from Len Codella earlier this year. no affliliation...etc. Russ LavigneAnachemrpo@aol.com from FFer4trout@aol.com Thu Jan 2 09:33:48 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:33:47 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:33:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard Parts In a message dated 97-01-02 08:55:34 EST, you write: Subj: Leonard PartsDate: 97-01-02 08:55:34 ESTFrom: Fallcreek9@aol.comSender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Greetings:Have a friend who is refinishing a Leonard 9-0 Tournament, 3-pc 1950'smade.Needs a stripper guide and a tip snake, approx 1/0. Anyone have asource toshare or any leads of any kind to help find these items? Your help wouldbegreatly appreciated. Best to all in '97,Richard Tyree Richard, Leonard used standard snakes on their rods? I've got some used smallersnakesthat I've removed from rods, I could send you one if it would match thesize.Might need a little rust removal. What kind of stripper does the rod take, an agate stripper? The closestthingon the market now is the agateen (red glass) strippers at Angler'sWorkshop,I think. Email me your address if you what the snake. Don Burns from FFer4trout@aol.com Thu Jan 2 09:34:05 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:34:04 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:34:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Reels In a message dated 96-12-30 18:55:20 EST, you write: Subj: Re: ReelsDate: 96-12-30 18:55:20 ESTFrom: rcurry@jlc.net (Reed F. Curry)Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In repsonse to Philip, Richard Tyree wrote: Philip: Presently the Pflueger Medalist reels are good buy if you arenotgoing for top of the line items. Actually, a lot of the early Fly Fishermanissues had cover pictures of bamboo rods equipped with the Medalistreels.-skip-Richard Tyree Philip,I concur with the Medalist vote but with the proviso that the Medalistbe U.S. made. The later (1970s+, also current) Medalists made in Chinaand other off-shore sites are poorly constructed, from poor qualitymaterials. (Plastic replaced brass or steel for an internal sprocket.) I own and use many (most?) of the early fly reels that Pfluegerproduced, from the NS and hard rubber wide models, through the bulldogProgress, to the largest of the Medalist, the 1498. That said, oneserious drawback of almost all of these models is the curvature of thereel foot, it doesn't fit any good quality reel seat I've ever found.Thus I have found it necessary to retrofit the Medalist with the Pfoot,a milled aluminum reelseat produced for a time by Bill Franke.Unfortunately, these are no longer available. Since I appear to have talked myself out of the Medalist (they're greatbut they don't fit) I would suggest that, if you have the funds, an oldHardy Perfect, or, if you are feeling a bit flush, any of the NewHampshire makers - Bogdan (2+ year waiting list), Peerless (excellentquality,I'd love to have one) or Robichaud (looks good but I've nevertried one). I prefer a heavy reel, it seems to make the rod feel lighter. (TheMedalists even have the option of dropping birdshot into the center foradditional weight.) Try your rod with a light modern reel and then witha heavier older reel, then post your results, okay?Best regards,Reed Reed, I was taught that a rod "feels" best when mounted with a reel & line thatbalances out at a point near to where your thumb grips the cork. Thismightvery well work out to be a heavy reel on a cane rod. Also, a good reason fora D/L realseat vs. U/L on a cane rod? Tight Lines, Don Burns PS - Is it just me, or are we being invaded by the flamers? from rfairfie@cisco.com Thu Jan 2 11:13:13 1997 JAA29849 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:12:48 - 0800 Subject: Re: Writing on bamboo India ink works well in a pen called a Rapidograph, and probably be foundinmost large stationary stores. It, too, has a wire that slides up and downinthe pen tip, keeping it clear. They come in a variety of tip diameters. Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Tue Dec 31 11:27:35 1996 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: bootstrap@earthlink.net (Franz O. Armbruster) Subject: Re: Writing on bambooMime-Version: 1.0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 350 Mac. I suspect they used a pen called "INKOGRAPH" It was a fine tubewitha wire inside and a weight that shook the wire to keep the tube clear ofclogs. I owned one in the 40s, but it got lost somewhere. It was greatwith india ink. Today, one of those made by Pelikan should do the samejob,and be a lot less messy to use. Frank in Colorado from thezig@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 2 11:46:40 1997 dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA25143 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:46:32 -0800 Organization: Redeye Productions Subject: Re: Reels FFer4trout@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 96-12-30 18:55:20 EST, you write: Subj: Re: ReelsI have a Ballan Heirloom, a Robichaud, and the no-longer made WinstonBogdan-style reel. Any of them look great on a bamboo rod. I think theRobichaud is probably the best value. If you want something vintage andclassic, the farlow grenaby, 1930's vintage, is a pretty, under- appreciatedreel that, when it can be found, is usually inexpensive.my .02Jim from RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Thu Jan 2 12:03:32 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27235 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:03:31 -0600 with BSMTP id 6491; Thu, 02 Jan 97 13:02:34 EST MAINE.MAINE.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with RFC822 id 9851; Thu, 2 Jan 199713:02:34 -0500Subject: Netcraft Don B. Could you post the addr or phone forJann's Netcraft? Thanks. By the way, I getmuch of my fly tying stuff from Hook and Hackleas they seem to have good prices on the basicsupplies. Bob. from mwe@manznet.com Thu Jan 2 12:52:02 1997 MAA29981 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:52:01 -0600 KAA03630 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:55:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Netcraft Don B. Could you post the addr or phone forJann's Netcraft? Thanks. By the way, I getmuch of my fly tying stuff from Hook and Hackleas they seem to have good prices on the basicsupplies. Bob. What is the address for Hook and Hackle?? Thankx A Lot from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Thu Jan 2 14:30:241997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03912 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:30:23 -0600 SMTP id AA25220(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 Jan 199713:30:21 -0700 4.1) Subject: Test Messages Hello Everyone... Please ignore this message....an automounter is givingme trouble in posting to this list. from cbogart@ibm.net Thu Jan 2 17:28:58 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:28:57 -0600 SAA18636 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:34:25 -0500 Priority: Normal Subject: Re: Split or serrated ... or neither Reed At time I feel like I have been "peened" - literally.Have no sign of seperation on this rod at all.As for the SM - couldn't ask for anything betterthan the lovely stuff you brought to Grayling last year. Chris from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Thu Jan 2 18:20:401997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12022 for; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:20:29 -0600 SMTP id AA10530(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 Jan 199717:19:51 -0700 4.1) Subject: Looking for Cane Hello All.... I am now a newly minted member of this list.... OhhhhhMyyyGooodd! In any event, I am looking for some of the new metal planingforms. Does anyone have some good ideas? I have used homemadeones from maple, but I would like to try the new metal ones. Oh ya! Demarest is currently out of tonkin cane. Does anyoneknow where I can pick up a good quantity of it. Oh, betweena few culms to a bale? from FFer4trout@aol.com Thu Jan 2 18:21:04 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:20:59 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:20:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Netcraft In a message dated 97-01-02 13:21:37 EST, you write: Subj: NetcraftDate: 97-01-02 13:21:37 ESTFrom: RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Robert Milardo)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Don B. Could you post the addr or phone forJann's Netcraft? Thanks. By the way, I getmuch of my fly tying stuff from Hook and Hackleas they seem to have good prices on the basicsupplies. Bob. Jann's NetcraftP.O. Box 89Maumee, OH 43537 USAOrders - (800) 638-2723 Cust. Service (419) 868-8288FAX (419) 868-8338A general fishing catalog, more fly fishing related than in the past (Jann'sinfluence). Still has great lure making stuff, okay rod building stuff andvery good flytying items now. Priced at $2.00 (US) on the cover but I'venever had to pay for it. May charge $ for the first catalog? The $8.00 wood fishing net (trout size) isn't in the new catalog - replacedwith a $5.79 AL net. Now has "brand" name rod blanks vs Netcraftgraphite/fiberglass blanks. Still has many hard to find items. Dale Clemens Custom Tackle Inc.444 Schantz RoadAllentown, PA 18104 USA(610) 395-5119FAX (610) 398-2580A must have catalog for rod building supplies & Dale's rod building books(mostly fiberglass/graphite related) are classics. Catalog is all rodbuilding (all types) and fly tying items. Sends out a special discount flyerwith close-out rod blanks 1 or 2 times a year. Angler's Workshop1350 Alantic Ave.P.O. Box 1010Woodland, WA 98674 USAOrders - (360) 225-9445Cust. Service - (360) 225-6359FAX (800) 278- 1069 USA onlyFAX - Internat. (360) 225-8641A must, must, must have catalog! Silk thread, NS ferrules, agateenstripperguides etc. Catalog is all rod building (again all types) or fly tying items. None of the three have huge quanities of bamboo-only products, but allhavegood selections of guides, graphite blanks and all have rod buildingsupplies. International orders are okay with all three. First 2 are easternUSA time - third's the same as CA's time. Sorry for the bandwidth, but it'll cut down RE: postings if I just post allthree. Don Burns from ampacvic@edison.dialix.com.au Thu Jan 2 19:24:44 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:24:24 -0600 Subject: cancellation of subscription please cancel my subscription andy childsmelbourne australia from Fallcreek9@aol.com Thu Jan 2 19:49:41 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:49:39 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:49:38 -0500 Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? In a message dated 97-01-02 10:18:55 EST, you write: While on the subject of catalogs, is there any other good cane rodbuildingcatalogs that I should add to my '97 list? Don - If the business still exists, Kettle Creek Tackle Shop is a goodsource. 717-923-1416. My latest catalog from there is the 1994 edition. Ifyou try them, let us know what you find out. Regards,RTyree from Fallcreek9@aol.com Thu Jan 2 19:49:47 1997 ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:49:45 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:49:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard Parts To Don Burns and Russ Lavigne. Thanks for the info about Leonard parts.Have forwarded the contents to the friend of mine who is looking.Best Regards,Richard Tyree from Rich_Margiotta@cpqm.mail.saic.com Fri Jan 3 08:23:55 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04319 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:23:54 -0600 06:23:49 -0800 Subject: Leonard blank Subject: Time: 10:29 AMOFFICE MEMO Leonard blank Date: 1/2/97 Russ: With regard to the Leonard blank you bought from Len Codella, was it fromthatbunch of blanks he had where he did not specifically list the original in hiscatalog? I bought one of these and it is really nice work. Just wonderingifit's a Leonard. Thanks. --Rich from Anachemrpo@aol.com Fri Jan 3 09:16:24 1997 ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:16:22 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:16:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Leonard blank Yes it was one of those half dozen or so that he listed as being made by a"quality manufacturer, no longer in business" or something like that. WhenIasked him about their origin he told me that they were Leonard blanks thathad been made in the seventies and had not been used in production for thecosmetic reason stated in his catalog.I bought one of the 6' 10'" 4/5 weight. I just finished the third dipping ofvarnish last night. All that is left is to glue on the butt cap (which is aLeonard that a I got from R.E.C. Corp) and wait until spring! I finished itout with a butternut spacer, 6 inch cigar grip, bright nickel silver windingcheck and dark strippers and guide with chinese red wrappings. All ofthesecomponenets were indicated by Len Codella as the type originally used forthis rod. Previously I had acquired a refinished Heddon Black Beauty 8' 6" for 5wt,which broke at the ferrule on my second outing and has since been repairedbymoi. I also acquired a "Sport King" project rod (9foot 7wt) which I stripped anddipped as my practice rod prior to the Leonard. The Leonard is just how I had hoped it would turn out. Which blank did you get? Regards, Russ Lavigne from 76250.1771@CompuServe.COM Fri Jan 3 10:25:36 1997 KAA09571 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:25:35 -0600 Subject: Southbend Double Built rod David-The Cross Rod Co. made double built rods until 1926 when the companywas sold tothe South Bend Bait Company (for about $20,000). The South Bend Co. madetwodifferent lines of rods. The Southbend rods were production rods made tocompetewith Montague, H.&I., etc. The Cross rods were a higher quality line tocompetewith Heddon, Edwards, etc. The Cross rods disappeared from the catalogsafterWorld War 2. If your rod has a Comficient grip, ie. a depression for yourthumbin the cork, the rod dates from after 1939. Southbend used an oval orangeandyellow decal from 1926 until after WWII, then changed to a rectangularyellowdecal with orange letters. If you have a long rectangular "made bysouthbend"decal in black letters with a tan background your rod was probablyrepaired orrestored by southbend and is a replacement decal. The double built rodsweremade by cementing the outside power fibers from two pieces of bamboothencutting the triangular strips to make the rod, basically a rod within a rod.Thebutt and middle sections were doublebuilt only- the tips were single built.Inthe late 30's the model 312 sold for $22.50. It's a dry fly action that camein81/2,9,91/2 ft. lengths. The HDH or D refers to the line size the rod wasmadefor. The HDH is todays DT6 and the D a level 6wt. Hope this helps. For morebackground try "Wes Jordan-Profile of a Rodmaker", by Dick Spurr&GloriaJordan. Dennis from michael@wupsych.wustl.edu Fri Jan 3 10:46:06 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10688 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:46:05 -0600 Subject: Left Coast - Everyone Okay? Wow, first Oregon and Washington, now California and Nevada!!! Sure hope all you rodmakers out that way are alright. I haveseen first-hand the devastation possible, with the recent floodshere in the midwest. Hoping each of you are out of harm's way. Let us know how you all are doing... Mike - enjoying a bit Springtime in January - BiondoSt. Louis, Mo. from Lloyd.Cross@clorox.com Fri Jan 3 12:14:06 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15239 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 12:14:05 -0600 mail.pilot.net with ESMTP id KAA10023 for (CEMS 5.01/1.37.109.14) id AA012145639; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:20:39 -0800 (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 2CD4CE60; Fri, 3 Jan 9710:16:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Left Coast - Everyone Okay? Mike, An unbelievable amount of water has fallen in Oregon. According to the Weather-guessers we are at the beginning of a 22 year wet cycle. Hang on! Speaking for the upper Mckenzie, although currently lapping very close tomy front porch, it has done very well due to several flood control reservoirs. Some folks on the Rouge and Umpqua have not been so lucky. For those interested, there is a wealth of information made available by the ArmyCorps of Engineers over the Internet. Many river plots are updated hourly. Our biggest danger is mudslides below timber clearcuts. HWY 126 whichruns alongside the river has been hit several times in the last week. Lloyd - wish'n I was waterproof - Cross Blue River, Oregon ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: Left Coast - Everyone Okay?Author: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu at Internet Wow, first Oregon and Washington, now California and Nevada!!! Sure hope all you rodmakers out that way are alright. I have seen first-hand the devastation possible, with the recent floods here in the midwest. Hoping each of you are out of harm's way. Let us know how you all are doing... Mike - enjoying a bit Springtime in January - Biondo St. Louis, Mo. from kmsmith@inx.net Fri Jan 3 13:00:27 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18251 for ;Fri, 3 Jan 1997 13:00:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Writing on bamboo I use a Goose Quill with India Ink Just my way - KevinKevin Smith kmsmith@inx.net from RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Fri Jan 3 14:50:36 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24434 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:50:34 -0600 with BSMTP id 9797; Fri, 03 Jan 97 15:49:37 EST MAINE.MAINE.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with RFC822 id 1221; Fri, 3 Jan 199715:49:37 -0500Subject: Re: Netcraft Hook and Hackle Co., 7 Kaycee Loop Rd., Plattsburgh, NY 12901800 552- 8342. As requested. I've been dealing with them with good prices on basic fly tying materials, and theusual fishing gear. An order usually comes with thegoods requested plus a 10% discount on a future order,so judge your first order accordingly. Tight lines, B. from jonrc@atlantic.net Fri Jan 3 20:27:57 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06029 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:27:55 -0600 berlin.atlantic.net (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA13277 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:52:30 -0500 Subject: Cane Chat at 10 am EST I just wanted to remind everone that there is still on ongoing Canebuilders Chat every Sat morning at 10 am EST. The URL of the chat roomis: http://www.flyshop.com/Chat/index.html-- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water. Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Fri Jan 3 20:57:01 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06954 for; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:56:57 -0600 Sat, 4 Jan 1997 10:56:46 +0800 (WST) Subject: Demarest cane Thought you all might like to know that the Demarests still have non bale cane available, more arriving soon. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from RckyMtKane@aol.com Fri Jan 3 22:07:07 1997 ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:07:06 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:07:05 -0500 Subject: Morley Bros ??? To anyone:Has anyone every heard of a rod with the inscription ' Lady Luck ' by MorleyBros ?this rod was given to one of my customers for Cfhristmas and he wouldlike toknow something about it. It's an 8 1/2 ft , 3 pc. rod that seems to beprettynice. Help if you can and thanks in advance.Joe rckymtkane@aol.com from jsmm@interaccess.com Sat Jan 4 00:30:03 1997 Subject: Dating a rod. I just picked up my first antique rod and wanted to try and get anapproximate production date. It's an L.L. Bean 110, 3-piece, with intermediate wraps every two inches. Thanks. Matt Makowski from gord@teleport.com Sat Jan 4 01:24:34 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15248 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:24:32 -0600 XAA25262 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:24:20 - Subject: Re: Dating a rod. I'm interested in this one - but know nothing about it. I, frankly, neverknew Bean had ever dealt in cane at all! Matt... Have you contacted L.L.Bean yet? I'd imagine they have catalogs, for the sake of history, thatcould well pinpoint it.Gord At 12:30 AM 1/4/97 -0600, you wrote:I just picked up my first antique rod and wanted to try and get anapproximate production date. It's an L.L. Bean 110, 3-piece, with intermediate wraps every two inches. Thanks. Matt Makowski from rcurry@jlc.net Sat Jan 4 09:40:58 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24369 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 09:40:56 -0600 verdi.jlc.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21663 for Subject: Re: Dating a rod. Gordon Johnson wrote: I'm interested in this one - but know nothing about it. I, frankly, neverknew Bean had ever dealt in cane at all! Matt... Have you contacted L.L.Bean yet? I'd imagine they have catalogs, for the sake of history, thatcould well pinpoint it.Gord At 12:30 AM 1/4/97 -0600, you wrote:I just picked up my first antique rod and wanted to try and get anapproximate production date. It's an L.L. Bean 110, 3-piece, with intermediate wraps every twoinches. Thanks. Matt MakowskiMatt,I've seen this model before. I'm not sure how much the intermediatestell us about dates, some would say pre-1930 (I think some rods into1940s were still carrying intermediates). Anyway, the rod I handled hadthe ferrules, fittings, and general look of a medium (F5-F7) Bristol.Definitely not one of the other medium quality mass production supplyhouses (Heddon or South Bend)and not the low range (Montague, H- I),IMHO.Seemed like a nice rod, but I didn't have a chance to cast it in theshop.Enjoy,Reed from SealRite@aol.com Sat Jan 4 12:36:47 1997 ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 12:36:46 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:36:45 -0500 Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? Try Bob Marriotts out of California. He has a pretty thick catalog with allkinds of goodies. Good selection of seats, graphite blanks, general flyfishing. Craig Anderson from rickcunn@tenet.edu Sat Jan 4 12:56:34 1997 ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 12:56:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Handyman Specials For Sale Rich,If any of your project rods are Grangers, I would be interested. Please give the model and length and I will get back to you.Rick from dcanny@mhtc.net Sat Jan 4 13:51:12 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29649 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:51:10 -0600 pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA18802 for Subject: color vision correction Hi David Michels,The easiest way to find out if you can be corrected is to use a true red filter and retake the color test. If you want I can send you a trial lens and a Ishihara color plate book. You can return after you have determined your correction possibilities. Let me know. David from FFer4trout@aol.com Sat Jan 4 14:16:00 1997 ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:15:59 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 15:15:58 -0500 Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? In a message dated 97-01-04 13:45:29 EST, you write: Subj: Re: 97 Catalogs?Date: 97-01-04 13:45:29 ESTFrom: SealRite@aol.comSender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Try Bob Marriotts out of California. He has a pretty thick catalog withallkinds of goodies. Good selection of seats, graphite blanks, general flyfishing. Craig Anderson Thanks Craig, I get the Marriott catalog. I also live nearby. Don from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Sat Jan 4 14:51:26 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01767 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:51:25 -0600 4 Jan 97 15:51 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id PAA84366 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 4 Jan1997 15:51:23 -0500 Subject: Re: color vision correction 01:47:56 pm David, I've been receiving your messages re. color correction for afew days. I don't mind that much (the messages are easy todelete) but they are probably not getting to the intendedparty, who might really need the info. My name is Dave Makel.You might want to check the address you are sending to. Dave from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Sat Jan 4 14:55:48 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01933 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:55:47 -0600 4 Jan 97 15:55 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id PAA194120 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 4 Jan1997 15:55:45 -0500 Subject: rod hardware I've been looking for mickel silver rod hardware and can'treally find what I want. Me F.E. Thomas special has a corkfrip and reel seat that I like a lot with an end cap andsliding band and I'd like to put the same on the small streamrod I'm building. Has anybody had any experience with sterlingor coin silver hardware. I can cast and solder it easily andthe raw material is easy to come by....thought it might make while. Nickel silver is pretty hight melting and hard to castin my little dental setup so....... Thanks. Dave Makel from jsmm@interaccess.com Sat Jan 4 18:21:52 1997 thymaster.interaccess.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA14328 for Subject: Re: Dating a rod. Gordon here's some more info on the rod. The rod is 9' and has an extra tip section. The reel seat is nickelsilver, downward screw locking with L.L. BEAN INC. FREEPORT. ME.stampedinto the seat. The seat measure about 1/8th under four inches, whichmakesme think late 30's or 40's. The grip is a double wells. The ferrules are an H-1 style with threegrooved rings near the wraps. They are also nickel silver. The wraps arered with gold trim. There are also intermediate wraps the entire length ofthe rod. They are spaced 1 1/4" on the butt section, 1 3/4" on the centersection, and from 1 3/4 to 2" on the tip sections. The signature wraps onthe butt section ( from the butt out) are red/gold/r/g/r then r/g/r/g/ragain seperated by a large red section with a few gold wraps in themiddle.I wasn't able to match the signature wraps in the Sinclair book. The only other marking on the rod is "Bean's - 110", painted on in cursivewith a yellow paint. Finally there are no glue lines where the hexsections join. The rod casts a 5-wt triangle taper beautifully. Matt Makowski from mcreek@sirus.com Sat Jan 4 18:33:25 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06559 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 18:33:23 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16002 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:32:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Dating a rod. I think Tom Ackerman still runs the LL Bean Fly-Fishing school. He's agreat guy and would certainly know who to ask if he doesn't know aboutthis rod. Call the toll free number and ask for him. Last time I wasin Freeport Bean had a couple of custom cane rods for sale by a rodmaker from further north in Maine (Rockport?). Nice work. Brian > from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Sat Jan 4 21:11:42 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09703 for; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:11:40 -0600 4 Jan 97 22:11 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id WAA52596 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sat, 4 Jan1997 22:11:39 -0500 Subject: rod hardware Don, Thanks for the info. I'm familiar with the various alloyswhich are generally classified as nickel silver or germansilver and I have a lathe and some rolling and forgingequpiment. My question memains, however, are there anyinherent problems with using sterling or coin silver, thelatter of which can be easily heat-treated to a relatively hardstate. the problem with manufcturing my own nickel silvercomponents lies in the swaging and deep drawing of therequisite shapes. Building them out of wax, casting them andpolishing them would be a cinch by comparison. Dave from freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Sun Jan 5 08:14:19 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22557 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 08:14:17 -0600 Subject: hardware Does anyone know where I might find hardware without the woodenspacer.I'm looking for nickel silver butt cap and slide band. For example doesBellinger sell his hardware without the wood inserts? Or are there othersources for similarly elegant hardware? Wouldn't winter be infinitely more depressing without pressing issueslikethis? -- Mark M. Freed freedmar@pilot.msu.edu from jonrc@atlantic.net Sun Jan 5 09:50:42 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23847 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 09:50:40 -0600 berlin.atlantic.net (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA19029 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:16:14 -0500 Subject: Re: hardware Mark M Freed wrote: Does anyone know where I might find hardware without the woodenspacer.I'm looking for nickel silver butt cap and slide band. For example doesBellinger sell his hardware without the wood inserts? Or are thereothersources for similarly elegant hardware? Wouldn't winter be infinitely more depressing without pressing issueslikethis? -- Mark M. Freed freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Mark, Both Bellinger and Struble (as well as most others) do sell the hardwarewithout the wood insert. It seems that most retail places do not stockthem though. I'd check with Anglers workshop, if they can't help youcall the manufacture directly and ask them where you can buy them.-- Casting for the fish that has been seen in one's mind time and timeagain. Casting for that magic moment, when everything comes together,the fly is taken and the familiar pulsating tension is felt running thelength of the cane rod allowing the angler just a glimpse of the mysterybelow the surface of the water. Jonathan ClarkeTwin Pines Rod Co.2800 4th St. No #112St. Petersburg, FL 33704 http://rio.atlantic.net/~jonrc from WayneCatt@aol.com Sun Jan 5 10:42:39 1997 ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 10:42:38 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:42:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Morley Bros ??? The Morley Bros were a large midwest sportings goods wholesaler - mostlyguns - don't know who made their fly rods - perhaps Heddon????? from FFer4trout@aol.com Sun Jan 5 11:30:43 1997 ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:30:42 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 12:30:41 -0500 Subject: Re: hardware In a message dated 97-01-05 09:16:59 EST, you write: Subj: hardwareDate: 97-01-05 09:16:59 ESTFrom: freedmar@pilot.msu.edu (Mark M Freed)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Does anyone know where I might find hardware without the woodenspacer.I'm looking for nickel silver butt cap and slide band. For example doesBellinger sell his hardware without the wood inserts? Or are thereothersources for similarly elegant hardware? Wouldn't winter be infinitely more depressing without pressing issueslikethis? -- Mark M. Freed freedmar@pilot.msu.edu The '96 Clemens Catalog (p 37) has: Fly Reel Bands - NS w 11/16" ID @ $6.58 and also Machined Butt Plates 5/8" @ $7.10 or 7/8" @ $7.94 Hope this helps. Dale Clemens #'s -- (610) 395-5119 FAX 398-2580 Don Burns from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Sun Jan 5 14:11:03 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04512 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 14:11:02 -0600 5 Jan 97 15:11 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id PAA25930 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Sun, 5 Jan1997 15:11:00 -0500 Subject: thanks Don, Thanks for the lead, I've recently requested a Clemens catalog,so when it come I'll give it a check. Dave from carte004@maroon.tc.umn.edu Sun Jan 5 20:15:12 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA13359 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 20:15:11 -0600 20:15:10 -0600 20:15:10 -0600 Subject: Re: hardware Mark M Freed wrote: Does anyone know where I might find hardware without the woodenspacer.I'm looking for nickel silver butt cap and slide band. For example doesBellinger sell his hardware without the wood inserts? Or are there othersources for similarly elegant hardware? Wouldn't winter be infinitely more depressing without pressing issueslikethis? Mark,I dealt with Anglers' Workshop (?) (the catalog outfit in Seattle) fairly extensively by phone and ended up with Bellinger's darkened silver butt cap and slide band for my last reel seat. They sold it for around $30 without the wood insert. Talk about winter depression: I spent several hours yesterday gettingsnow and ice off my roof here in St. Paul only to find a color spread in this morning's paper of some guy who spent yesterday fly-fishing on a stream less than 50 miles away. At least he only caught two. John Carter. from devino@inlink.com Sun Jan 5 21:42:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16218 for; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 21:41:59 -0600 thor.inlink.com (8.8.0/V8) with SMTP id VAA20912 for Subject: Re: Handyman Specials For Sale At 08:33 PM 12/30/96 -0600, you wrote: Rich, I missed the original post but would appreciate your list as well. Thanks. -Mark- from RckyMtKane@aol.com Mon Jan 6 00:57:31 1997 ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:57:30 -0600 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 01:57:30 -0500 Subject: Re: hardware MarkREC will sell you the n/s hardware with or without the inserts. At leasttheyused to, they would even sell it unbuffed if you wanted to do that yourself. Theyhavegone through some changes in the last two years so you need to give themacall and find out what's avaliable now. Good LuckJoe from rm5552@gumby.engsvc.hazeltine.com Mon Jan 6 08:56:30 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04711 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:56:28 -0600 (1.37.109.16/3.1.090690-Hazeltine Corporation) (4.1/SMI-4.1) Subject: Re: hardware Try the following catalog: CUSTOM TACKLE SUPPLY2559 Highway 41aSShelbyville, TN(615) 684-6164 They sell a nice nickle silver cap and ring seat made by Struble. I bought one recently and was very happy with the quality and the price(about $12). Bob MatarazzoMelville, NY from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Mon Jan 6 09:40:231997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07034 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:40:21 -0600 SMTP id AA20360(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Jan 199708:40:14 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: Demarest cane I spoke to Mr. Demarest on Sat. He is confident that bale quantitieswill be available some time in May. He imports 40 ft containers and thistakes some time to fill with the Chin. new years, etc. One of these cantake up to 200 bales! Just FYI. Dev Emch from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Mon Jan 6 09:48:541997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07421 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:48:53 -0600 SMTP id AA21032(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Jan 199708:48:52 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: Dating a rod. Does anyone know this rodmaker in Maine is? (Rockport?) from gord@teleport.com Mon Jan 6 13:52:49 1997 NAA22287 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:52:48 -0600 desiree.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26570 for with SMTP id LAA14447 for ; Mon, 6 Jan Subject: Tuxedo I've been trying to contact Tuxedo Cane for a long time now. All I'veachieved so far is leaving multiple messages on an answering machine. Sofar no response. The number I've been calling is (209) 464-6133. Does anyone know of analternate number for these folks? Thanks,Gordon from rfairfie@cisco.com Mon Jan 6 14:41:25 1997 MAA00542 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:41:20 - 0800 Subject: Re: Tuxedo Gordon, I can't help with Tuxedo, but I have another source that I locatedthrough the bamboo grower's list. The person's e-mail address is slvrmoon@ix.netcom.com I ordered culms from her last summer, and they were okay. I think they'llworkwell for light trout rods. You might want to give it a try if you can't findcane anywhere else locally. Thanks,Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Mon Jan 6 11:53:51 1997 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: Gordon Johnson Subject: TuxedoMime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gord@mail.teleport.comX-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16)X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent- Length: 288 I've been trying to contact Tuxedo Cane for a long time now. All I'veachieved so far is leaving multiple messages on an answering machine. Sofar no response. The number I've been calling is (209) 464-6133. Does anyone know of analternate number for these folks? Thanks,Gordon from RHD360@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Mon Jan 6 15:02:27 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25777 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:02:24 -0600 with BSMTP id 7957; Mon, 06 Jan 97 16:01:24 EST MAINE.MAINE.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with RFC822 id 8343; Mon, 6 Jan 199716:01:24 -0500Subject: culms supply this weekend I found culms in 4 and 8 ft lengthsat the Pier One Import store in Portland, ME. (Ithink this is a national chain). they are notgreat quality but some were ok. I got them simplyto practice flaming etc. prior to actually buildinga rod. They ranged in price from $1-2, but thosewith (drying) splits they agreed to discount to50 cents each, which is just perfect for our use.Culms ranged in dia to 1.5 in. I did'nt see anylarger at this store, but it may be worth checkingshould you have a store locally. B. from mcreek@sirus.com Mon Jan 6 17:02:39 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02705 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:02:37 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA05955 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:01:12 -0500 Subject: Maine rodbuilder Dev Emch, DAVE KLAUSMEYER - Old Route 1 - Box 59 - Stuben, Maine 04680is the only one listed under the Classic Angler Links. http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/canecoun/roddir.htm Brian > from khube@benmeadows.com Mon Jan 6 17:09:17 1997 RAA03017 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:09:16 -0600 18:09:14 -0500 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23508 for ; Subject: Re: culms supply this weekend I found culms in 4 and 8 ft lengthsat the Pier One Import store in Portland, ME. (Ithink this is a national chain). they are notgreat quality but some were ok. I got them simplyto practice flaming etc. prior to actually buildinga rod. They ranged in price from $1-2, but thosewith (drying) splits they agreed to discount to50 cents each, which is just perfect for our use.Culms ranged in dia to 1.5 in. I did'nt see anylarger at this store, but it may be worth checkingshould you have a store locally. B.================================================================================ I have had the same experience with Pier One and since my daughter is astore manager, she keeps a look out for good culms. The prices are alwaysreasonable and the supply is always changing. I recently glued up a newone-piece rod from cane bought this way and it looks very promising. Karl Hube from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Mon Jan 6 17:27:061997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03931 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:27:03 -0600 SMTP id AA28188(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Jan 199716:27:00 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: culms supply This Pier 1 Import stuff looks good.....but how well this cane performsis in question. For practice, it seems like a good idea to try yournew skills on; however, I will need to run some engineering tests on thisstuff before I can say ya or na. Dev Emch from bx470@freenet.uchsc.EDU Mon Jan 6 17:55:27 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04979 for; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:55:26 -0600 QAA04725; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:55:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Tuxedo Gordon, I placed an order for cane with Tuxedo around November 1st. Istill do not have any cane and have left several messages both on ananswer phone and with a live person. None of the calls have been returnedand I have no idea when or if the cane is going to be shipped. Today Iplaced an order with Demerest, it appears they still may be the mostdependable source for cane. Sorry I can't be of more help. Jim Fillpot, Loveland Colorado Gordon, I can't help with Tuxedo, but I have another source that I locatedthrough the bamboo grower's list. The person's e-mail address is slvrmoon@ix.netcom.com I ordered culms from her last summer, and they were okay. I think they'llworkwell for light trout rods. You might want to give it a try if you can't findcane anywhere else locally. Thanks,Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Mon Jan 6 11:53:51 1997 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: Gordon Johnson Subject: TuxedoMime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gord@mail.teleport.comX-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16)X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent- Length: 288 I've been trying to contact Tuxedo Cane for a long time now. All I'veachieved so far is leaving multiple messages on an answering machine. Sofar no response. The number I've been calling is (209) 464-6133. Does anyone know ofanalternate number for these folks? Thanks,Gordon from johnnatk@juno.com Mon Jan 6 22:09:23 1997 ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 22:09:21 -0600 Subject: Re: culms supply I also found some cane at each of the Pier 1locations in the Cleveland,OH area. Some stores had better material than others. It has somegraffiti marks but other than that it was great for a few "sacrificialculms" to practice some splitting on. For $2.00 each you can't beat it.But is it tonkin? from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Tue Jan 7 09:56:251997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09664 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:56:24 -0600 SMTP id AA12356(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Jan 199708:56:21 -0700 4.1) Subject: More Tools As we all know, the Japanese have an excellent tradition in precisewoodworking which includes bamboo! Now, their tools are making itinto high end tool sources such as Garrete Wade.I have heard about a splitting tool used only to split bamboo. Itis called a Bamboo Frue. I think it may be similar to a normal woodfrue, but I do not know. Has anyone come accross such an animal and a source for such an animal!!!! Dev Emch from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Tue Jan 7 10:18:11 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10975 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:18:09 -0600 SVR4) (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA017633723; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:15:23 -0800 Organization: r-5113 Subject: bamboo tools Hida Tool & Hardware Co (1-800-443-5512) has not only a very goodbamboo froe,I have one and it works like a charm, but also a star or pie cutter shaped bamboo splitter that comes in many sizes. The one that I got looks like a heavy sharpened steel pie cutter and has six cutting edges so as you push it through a culm it splits it into six equal(?) segments- I haven't tried it yet but it is my understanding that George Mauer(? spelling) uses one. They very in the number of different number of cutting edges--4,6,8,12,--I bought the 6 bladed one and it looks like its just the ticket for splitting a culm into six segments. I saw a video of the leonard shop and they use something very similar to this that they made that has 12 blades and split the culm into equal parts in one opperation--the one from hida looks like a pie cutter with two handles sticking out from the sides,they have them in their garden catologue. they also have a great selection of japenese water stone, both man made and natural, and othe japenese tools. Their english is poor so have patience when dealing with them. Service was excellent and speedy, they are located in berkly california. Patrick from rm5552@gumby.engsvc.hazeltine.com Tue Jan 7 10:23:39 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11354 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:23:37 -0600 (1.37.109.16/3.1.090690-Hazeltine Corporation) (4.1/SMI-4.1) Subject: Re: More Tools It's called a Bamboo Froe and it's available from the Japan Woodworkercatalog. I don't have the address or phone number with me but if no oneelse can provide it, I'll send it to you tomorrow. Bob Matarazzo from rfairfie@cisco.com Tue Jan 7 10:39:42 1997 Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:39:41 -0600 IAA08008; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:39:38 -0800 Subject: Re: More Tools The Japanese Woodworker, 1-800-537-7820, carries a bamboo frue at$21.95.The part number is #9.812.5. The company is located in Alameda, Ca, andhavea lot of goodies for the precision woodworker. Have fun.RogerPS they can also be found by following the link from the rodmaker's homepageon the 'net. from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Tue Jan 7 08:03:29 1997Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 08:56:12 MST Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: emchd%MrData- sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com (Dev Emch) Subject: More ToolsX-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 433 As we all know, the Japanese have an excellent tradition in precisewoodworking which includes bamboo! Now, their tools are making itinto high end tool sources such as Garrete Wade. I have heard about a splitting tool used only to split bamboo. Itis called a Bamboo Frue. I think it may be similar to a normal woodfrue, but I do not know. Has anyone come accross such an animal and a source for such ananimal!!!! Dev Emch from mstevens@ptdprolog.net Tue Jan 7 11:48:55 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18010 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:48:53 -0600 Subject: List of projects Hello, If you would like a list of fishable and project rods for sale, send meyour email address off list and I will email you my list of rods. Thanks Mike Michael StevensRR 1 Box 307CEffort PA 18330 610 681 5670 mstevens@ptdprolog.net Collector of Heddon and Granger Flyrods from maiello@yorku.ca Tue Jan 7 12:20:27 1997 ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:20:25 -0600 (8.8.4/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA08199 for ; doing -bs Subject: Ferrules Hi there.I built a rod last year. It was a 7' 2 pc rod. The ferrules I used werethe truncated NS from CSE. I picked up the rod the other day, and noticedthat the ferrules have begun to knock a bit. Has anyone else had thisexperience with the truncated ferrules? I don't think I'll be using them any more.What do you guys think?Mauro. from rklmeb@tiac.net Tue Jan 7 12:42:45 1997 ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:42:44 -0600 maildeliver0.tiac.net (8.8.0/8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28343 for zork.tiac.net (8.8.2/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id NAA12732 for Subject: Re: List of projects Michael,I probably have your latest list, but please send along what you have. I'malways interested. Thanks! Richard Lodgerklmeb@tiac.net Hello, If you would like a list of fishable and project rods for sale, send meyour email address off list and I will email you my list of rods. Thanks Mike Michael StevensRR 1 Box 307CEffort PA 18330 610 681 5670 mstevens@ptdprolog.net Collector of Heddon and Granger Flyrods from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Tue Jan 7 16:02:541997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02819 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:02:53 -0600 SMTP id AA09388(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Jan 199715:02:51 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools Woooooow! Woooooow! I called up HIDA and The Japanese Woodworker Store. Both were great,butHIDA took a little bit more effort...I am japanese challenged you know.:)But they were great. As a woodworking fan, I cannot wait to get into this stuff...Over 80 pagesof tools, etc. These two sources need to be mentioned on the web sites! Thanks Pat! You spoke of a lenord video. What video do you mean? Can we get it? Does anyone know of any good videos out there which are worth the costand time_to_view? Dev Emch from patrick.w.coffey@boeing.com Tue Jan 7 16:20:32 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03675 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:20:30 -0600 SVR4) (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA248265464; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:17:44 -0800 Organization: r-5113 Subject: leonard video There is a fly fishing show on the fox network and they were in montana fly fishing a private stream and went over to the factory and taped them making a bamboo fly rod (abreviated) from start to finish. The splitter they used split the culm into 12 equal sections then they used a beveler followed by a block plane and scraper not scraper plane but a scraper. After glueing up they let their rods hang in a cabinet for over a year before they finish them. They had a shop made machine(hand cranked I think) for wrapping the silk on the guides. I told you their english leaves a lot to desire but the bamboo froe I got from was a excellent tool about 12" long and unhandled but split my culms just like butter including the diaphrams. Patrick from tpaulsen@ecity.net Tue Jan 7 20:05:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12872 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:04:58 -0600 (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14590 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:03:09 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools Would you have the mailing address for this company. At 08:15 AM 1/7/97 -0800, you wrote:Hida Tool & Hardware Co (1-800-443- 5512) has not only a very goodbamboo froe,I have one and it works like a charm, but also a star or pie cutter shaped bamboo splitter that comes in many sizes. The one that I got looks like a heavy sharpened steel pie cutter and has six cutting edges so as you push it through a culm it splits it into six equal(?) segments- I haven't tried it yet but it is my understanding that George Mauer(? spelling) uses one. They very in the number of different number of cutting edges--4,6,8,12,--I bought the 6 bladed one and it looks like its just the ticket for splitting a culm into six segments. I saw a video of the leonard shop and they use something very similar to this that they made that has 12 blades and split the culm into equal parts in one opperation--the one from hida looks like a pie cutter with two handles sticking out from the sides,they have them in their garden catologue. they also have a great selection of japenese water stone, both man made and natural, and othe japenese tools. Their english is poor so have patience when dealing with them. Service was excellent and speedy, they are located in berkly california. Patrick from tpaulsen@ecity.net Tue Jan 7 20:13:19 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13286 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:13:17 -0600 (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14746 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:11:31 -0600 Subject: Re: leonard video I would be interested in knowing the name of the program, and whatsegmentit was. It would be nice to have a copy. At 02:17 PM 1/7/97 -0800, you wrote:There is a fly fishing show on the fox network and they were in montana fly fishing a private stream and went over to the factory and taped them making a bamboo fly rod (abreviated) from start to finish. The splitter they used split the culm into 12 equal sections then they used a beveler followed by a block plane and scraper not scraper plane but a scraper. After glueing up they let their rods hang in a cabinet for over a year before they finish them. They had a shop made machine(hand cranked I think) for wrapping the silk on the guides. I told you their english leaves a lot to desire but the bamboo froe I got from was a excellent tool about 12" long and unhandled but split my culms just like butter including the diaphrams. Patrick from burgould@mint.net Tue Jan 7 20:15:20 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13352 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:15:19 -0600 mint.mint.net (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA05883 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:15:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Dating a rod. At 08:48 AM 1/6/97 MST, you wrote:Does anyone know this rodmaker in Maine is? (Rockport?) Tim Marchetti (sp?) makes rods for Beans. He is from Camden. Hope thisishelpful. from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Tue Jan 7 20:26:59 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13892 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:26:55 -0600 Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:26:36 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: bamboo tools just yesterday at an "old time" show. The one I used was the "industrial sized" one but the principal is excellent. You need quite a bit of gusto when using it, but works. I think if I wasn't so happy with the nodeless method, I'd have one made up for splitting splines. Tony On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Patrick W. Coffey wrote: Hida Tool & Hardware Co (1-800-443-5512) has not only a very goodbamboofroe,I have one and it works like a charm, but also a star or piecutter shaped bamboo splitter that comes in many sizes. The one that I got looks like a heavy sharpened steel pie cutter and has six cuttingedges so as you push it through a culm it splits it into six equal(?)segments- I haven't tried it yet but it is my understanding that GeorgeMauer(? spelling) uses one. They very in the number of different numberof cutting edges--4,6,8,12,--I bought the 6 bladed one and it looks likeits just the ticket for splitting a culm into six segments. I saw a videoof the leonard shop and they use something very similar to this that theymade that has 12 blades and split the culm into equal parts in one opperation--the one from hida looks like a pie cutter with two handlessticking out from the sides,they have them in their garden catologue.they also have a great selection of japenese water stone, both man madeand natural, and othe japenese tools. Their english is poor so have patience when dealing with them. Service was excellent and speedy, theyare located in berkly california.Patrick /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from JCZIMNY@dol.net Tue Jan 7 21:14:13 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16106 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:14:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrules Mauro Aiello wrote: Hi there.I built a rod last year. It was a 7' 2 pc rod. The ferrules I used werethe truncated NS from CSE. I picked up the rod the other day, and noticedthat the ferrules have begun to knock a bit. Has anyone else had thisexperience with the truncated ferrules? I don't think I'll be using them any more.What do you guys think?Mauro. Mauro, Hi What exactley do you do to get them to knock?John from plipton@sunvalley.net Tue Jan 7 21:57:33 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17635 for; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:57:32 -0600 (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11203) with SMTP id AAA316 Organization: Sun Valley Rods Subject: Re: bamboo tools The pie shaped bamboo splitter is a handy tool. I have a six section onethat works well. If it hangs up on a dam, I carfully tap the handleswith a mallet to help break through without knocking the metal ring intothe sides so it marks the enamel. You might also think about a sevensided splitter. When you put the check split in a culm, it tends towiden over time. Some culms open up so much that the split on a sixsider will be off but a seven sider would space correctly.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Philip Lipton PO Box 1003, Sun Valley, ID 83353208-726-9559, 208-622-8585 Fax 208-726- 0191~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from mstevens@ptdprolog.net Tue Jan 7 23:02:14 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA19642 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:02:13 -0600 0000 Subject: Re: List of projects January list of rods and projects for the Winter I wish to buy good Heddons and Heddon made rods for my collection. 1. Heddon Model 10 "Blue Waters" 9' 2 1/2F 3/1 original bag and tube/nocap. Straight Heddon markings with "Blue Waters" name on shaft. S/LWhitemarbelized reelseat. This rod is in excellent condition under some softvarnish. It has some fuzz stuck on it in places. All wraps look good andreel seat and grip are very nice.#96063...$100 2. Heddon Model 10 9' 2 1/2F 3/2 original bag and tube. Spiral "Heddon"marking on shaft, earlier rod than above. Original varnish and wraps with athin overcoat. Excellent condition ready to fish. S/L White marbelizedreelseat.#96060...$175 3. Kingfisher #104 made by Heddon 9' 3/2 2 1/2F original bag and tube.S/L Grey marbelized reelseat. This rod probably sold by E.K. Tryon Co. Ormaybe Max Cook Sporting Goods. It is basically a Model 10 with differentname. If you are collecting Heddon made rods with different brand names,asI am, this is a good one to get. Rod is in excellent condition with acouple of rewraps badly done.#96062...$185 4. Heddon Model 17 "Black Beauty" 8 1/2' 2F 3/2 bag and tube. Earlierrod marked only #17 and spiral "Heddon". Excellent condition with blue onferrules fading a little. One tip may be a Heddon replacement as wraps arenot perfectly mirrored. Hand welted ferrules.#96015...$275 5. Heddon Model 13 8 1/2' 1 3/4F 3/2 original bag and tube. All originalbut varnish showing signs of age. Might be polished but fishable as is.This ferrule size (Heddons light trout) is popular as it casts a #5 line sowell. Hard to find size in a fairly scarce model. S/L green marbelizedseat. The grip could use some refilling of original defects inspots.#96061...$275 6. Bristol F7 by Edwards 9' 3/2 non original bag and aluminum tube. Onetip is 1/2" short. This rod has been restored( by Rich Margiotta) with newred silk and a very nice varnish job. Serrated NS ferrules with rolledwelt. Feels like it would work well with a 6 wt. Screw D/L with walnutspacer, good cork. Unused since restoration......$150 7. W&M Granger Victory 8 1/2' butt and mid sections. Badly bent seat butcane,cork, and ferrules very good condition. Maybe you need some of theseparts.#96013.........$50 8. Goodwin Granger Victory 8 1/2' butt section. Good seat and andferrule.Varnish checked.The Granger reel seat should be worth more than this.#96012........$40 9. Weber "J.H. Henshall Handkraft" No. 2500, 9' 3/2 2 1/2F This isWeber's second highest grade rod and made by Heddon. Wrapped inPongee(tan)tipped in brown. Varnish is very good. The problem is the ferrules, somonegot them stuck and used PLIERS to unstick. Butt female has a removabledent. Priced at $27.50 in 1942 Catalog this rod is worth restoring.Original tube with replacement bag. #96058.......$95 10. Wright & McGill Granger "Aristocrat" 8'6" 3/2 #5, mid and tipsrefinished? NS hookeeper added at grip winding ,original bag and tube.small splinter out of second heavier tip may need repair, although BobSummers said it would probably pose no problem. A very nice rod.#96024......$325 11. Wright & McGill Granger Champion 9' 3/2 original bag in a fibertube, mid female ferrule and guide rewrapped in old Granger red silk.Varnish original. This W&M model was made only in 1946 and has thestandardNS uplock patented reelseat. Exc. condition. #96029.....$275 12. South Bend 290 7 1/2' 2/2 HDH or E no bag or tube. Excellent varnishwith a couple of minor chips. Orange and black varigated wraps with a fewalittle dry. Comficient grip with screw uplocking seat. This is a very niceshort rod for a 5 wt.#97001.....$225 13. South Bend 59 9ft. 3/2, bag and tube no cap, exc.condition, oneguide broken, comficient label still on grip, very pretty flamed cane, somewraps a little dry, rod varnish is beautiful.#96001......$85 I will give a great deal on the group of rods below as a package.****************************************** 14. South Bend 359 9ft. 3/1 exc. Varnish, Mid is 2 inches short at topand has home made ferrule needing replacement, comficient grip, no labelingroove, few chips from cork at front, fine markings with perfect SouthBendlabel on shaft-nice dark flamed cane.#96004.....$25 15. Japanese 8ft. 2/1 tip is 4 inches short, Thunderbird Tonkin Canelabel, ferrules slighty corroded, casts nice with #5, needs a tip guide,Good cork, screw down lock metal seat.#96006.....$20 16. Montague Sunbeam 8 1/2ft. 3/1 full length, metal d/l seat, goodcork soiled, one guide has wire wrap repair, revarnished over thetop.#96007.....$40 17. Montague Sunbeam 9 1/2ft. 3/2, butt is 1/2 inch short ferrule hasbeenslightly shortened, mid & both tips full lenght, one tip has a one stripsplinter easily repaired, metal d/l seat-soiled cork, a coat of varnish hasbeen applied.#96008.....$40 18. South Bend butt section 8 1/2ft., poor cork and seat, good ferrule,sound cane.#96010.....$5 19. Shakespeare 1300 9ft. 3/1 5wt. nickle silver slide band seat withmodel,name and patent markings on band, swelled butt(probably Heddonmade),cork grip soiled, alligatored varnish, one guide on mid is missing andstripper (it was a snake) is off but I have it, the mid and tip would makea really nice short rod for a 4wt. #96016.....$70 20. Union Hardware Company 8 1/2ft. 3/1, good varnish, some wraps alittle dry, tan bakelite screw lock seat, wrapped in yellow, goodcork.#96018.....$40 21. Horrocks & Ibbotson "Saranac" 8 1/2' 3/1, mid was broken cleanly atferrule and refitted but not glued, original bag and tube no cap. Verygood condition but couple wraps need work. Swelled butt and betterqualityferrules.#96026.....$45 Miscellaneous 22. Arthur Allen Ltd. Glasgow Scotland 1930's catalog with many pagesofSalmon and trout rods and Hardy reels plus other necessary tackle. Alsosome guns in back. Not sure of the date but an English tackle dealer toldme about 1935. Still lists greenheart rods and horse hair lines. Also hassome very early spinning tackle. Hard to find in this country.....$45 23. Fly Fishing catalogs from the 70's. 4 Catalogs: 1974 Kaufman'sStreamborn Flies, 2nd Edition, 36 pages. Dick Surette Fly Fishing Shop,catalog no. 1 March 1 1974, 32 pages. Fireside Angler, Inc. 1976, 65 pages.Rod and Reel. Leola, Penn. Quality Fly Tying Materials, 1976. The groupfor...... $20 Three day inspection period on rods and reels. Shipping & Handling is $8 If you don't wish to recieve these lists in the future please let me know. Michael StevensRR 1 Box 307CEffort PA 18330 610 681 5670 mstevens@ptdprolog.net Collector of Heddon and Granger Flyrods from mstevens@ptdprolog.net Tue Jan 7 23:25:57 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20311 for ;Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:25:55 -0600 0000 Subject: Sorry Hello, I mistakenly posted my list by replying to a message asking for same anddidn't notice where it came from. Sorry for the unwanted message. Mike Michael StevensRR 1 Box 307CEffort PA 18330 610 681 5670 mstevens@ptdprolog.net Collector of Heddon and Granger Flyrods from RHeller@swri.edu Wed Jan 8 08:40:21 1997 Subject: re: Re: bamboo tools I also talked to folks at Hida Tool yesterday. The flurry of phone callswas probably a mystery to them. They have two catalogs: woodworking toolsand garden tools. The froe and splitter are in the garden catalog -- or so I was told. To receive both catalogs they want $6. Hida Tool and Hardware Company1333 San Pablo AvenueBerkley CA 94702 -.Robert.- from rbrown@infocom.net Wed Jan 8 08:43:19 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07565 for ;Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:43:17 -0600 login1.infocom.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA02272 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:45:55 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? Does anyone know the Phone # and/or e-mail address for Bob Marriotts? If so please provide. Thanks Rob from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 809:32:51 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10690 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:32:50 -0600 SMTP id AA28282(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199708:32:48 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools Just use the 1-800 number to ask for a catalog.... from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 809:34:36 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10738 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:34:35 -0600 SMTP id AA28385(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199708:34:33 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: leonard video Yes it would be very nice to have a copy....but how do go aboutgetting a copy from the Fox network. Has anyone recorded this whenit was first shown? from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 809:37:41 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10926 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:37:40 -0600 SMTP id AA28618(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199708:37:38 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: leonard video Yes it would be very nice to get this video. But how....hummmmm.Has anyone recorded it when it was first shown? If so, is possible(legally and technically) to copy it for personal use? from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 809:40:43 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11152 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:40:42 -0600 SMTP id AA28848(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199708:40:41 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools Tony...What exactly is the nodeless method? I figured this had to do withoffseting the splines to insure that the stress risers from the damsdid not concentrate in one regsion. from ballard@zen.wes.army.mil Wed Jan 8 09:50:12 1997 ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:50:10 -0600 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) Subject: Re: bamboo tools In the flurry of calls to Hida Tool, did anyone get an approximate cost ofthe splitters? I'd hate to waste $6 to find that they were overpriced. -Jerryballard@zen.wes.army.mil from FFer4trout@aol.com Wed Jan 8 10:19:50 1997 ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:19:48 -0600 Subject: Re: 97 Catalogs? In a message dated 97-01-08 10:05:18 EST, you write: Subj: Re: 97 Catalogs?Date: 97-01-08 10:05:18 ESTFrom: rbrown@infocom.net (Robbie Brown)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Does anyone know the Phone # and/or e-mail address for Bob Marriotts? If so please provide. Thanks Rob Rob: The 97 catalog's not out yet, I think. Bob Marriott's Flyfishing Store2700 West Orangethorpe Ave.Fullerton, CA 92633(714) 525-1827 Orders (800) 535-6633Fax (800) 367-2299Web site: http://www.bobmarriotts.comEmail: bmfsinfo@bobmarriotts.com Don Burns from oborge@aiss.uic.edu Wed Jan 8 10:23:33 1997 KAA14539 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:23:32 -0600 Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) 10:24:33 -0600 Subject: RE: bamboo tools 4.0.994.63Encoding: 22 TEXT Rodmakers,The 12 strip spline cutter is $110.00 the 6 strip is aprox.@$45.00.I ordered the 12 strip. I will update all on my struggle to use it.I think the video people are talking about is from Winston. It shows asimilar12 spline cutter. The video can be ordered from Winston for I think$20.00.I have a copy........It is beautiful but not particularly technical. ----------From: ballard@zen.wes.army.mil[SMTP:ballard@zen.wes.army.mil]Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 1997 9:43 AM Subject: Re: bamboo tools In the flurry of calls to Hida Tool, did anyone get an approximate cost ofthe splitters? I'd hate to waste $6 to find that they were overpriced. -Jerryballard@zen.wes.army.mil from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 810:31:16 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15102 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:31:14 -0600 SMTP id AA03361(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199709:31:12 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools A typical tool of this type will range from a low of 10 dollars to a high of50 dollars.It really depends on the tool. A good froe is about 49 dollars. Since thesplittersare listed in garden catalogs, one would think that they are used to maketomatoesticks from bamboo..(I know, some of our first rods can be used for this...)so thecost should be in the 20 range. I may be really off here...but the risk is worthwhile. Many feel that thesplitting is oneof the really difficult aspects here. Something about Phyles "The risk ofworkmanship" book.If a good tool improves this by one or two orders of magnitude, wouldn'tthat be worthwhile! Dev Emch from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 810:36:45 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15382 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:36:44 -0600 SMTP id AA03625(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199709:36:38 -0700 4.1) Subject: WOW! Really Off Here. Holy Cow...I was really off on those HIDA prices. I think its timeto put the girlfriend on a strict budget...iei.e. I really want that splitter :) Sorry Ladies. from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 812:52:22 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26571 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:52:20 -0600 SMTP id AA14405(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199711:52:17 -0700 4.1) Subject: More Tool Time Stuff.... It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Wed Jan 8 13:52:21 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00548 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:52:19 -0600 (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA118703135; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:52:15 -0800 Subject: Heddon Book Has anyone bought the new Michael Sinclair book "Heddon: The Rods withthe Fighting Heart" yet? Is it available now? Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from rfairfie@cisco.com Wed Jan 8 15:21:26 1997 NAA07265 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:21:18 - 0800 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... I'm using an inexpensive ski glove from Costco with a leather palm. Seems tobe okay. roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Wed Jan 8 11:45:35 1997Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 11:52:09 MST Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: emchd%MrData- sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com (Dev Emch) Subject: More Tool Time Stuff....X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 435 It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch from BamboRods@aol.com Wed Jan 8 15:45:55 1997 ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:45:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Ferrules Maurio, I think it may be your glue rather than the ferrule. Have you checked that? Jon Parker from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 816:16:07 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11463 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:16:05 -0600 SMTP id AA28587(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199715:16:02 -0700 4.1) Subject: Cork Does anyone know an excellent source for cork! I wantthe really top grade stuff in those big bags. Need towork on a few rod handles. Also, who is the best source for wraping silk incool colors. from maiello@yorku.ca Wed Jan 8 16:41:14 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13308 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:41:11 -0600 (8.8.4/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA05333 for ; doing -bs Subject: Re: Ferrules You hit the nail on the head.It was the glue. I reglued last night and this morning they were justfine. What experience have you had with this?What glues do you recomend.Thanks.Mauro. On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 BamboRods@aol.com wrote: Maurio, I think it may be your glue rather than the ferrule. Have you checkedthat? Jon Parker from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Wed Jan 8 16:52:42 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14260 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:52:41 -0600 QAA20605 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:52:39 - Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... I'm just a beginner and my experience is limited, but FWIW...I started with a cleap leather baseball batting glove. The firsttime I planed I slipped and the cane cut thru the leather palm into the ball of my thumb a little. I learned to be more careful. Now I use a cleap fish cleaning glove (some fabric woven over strandsof stainless steel). Only cost about $8 at K-Mart. But the most important lesson is be careful. And keep the plane sharp so itit doesn't grab the cane and slide it down the form under your otherhand.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@csd.uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Dev Emch wrote: It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch from FFer4trout@aol.com Wed Jan 8 16:55:50 1997 ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:55:48 -0600 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... In a message dated 97-01-08 14:46:28 EST, you write: Subj: More Tool Time Stuff....Date: 97-01-08 14:46:28 ESTFrom: emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com (Dev Emch)Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch I wonder how a fish filleting glove would work? Don B. from rfairfie@cisco.com Wed Jan 8 17:14:33 1997 PAA12759 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:14:31 - 0800 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... Frank's right--you gotta be careful. I have found that a spring clamp willhold the strip in the form so that I don't have to worry about the planepulling the strip out of my hand. It has really helped me. my $0.02 worth... Roger from owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Wed Jan 8 14:58:29 1997 Sender: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduFrom: Frank Stetzer Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff....MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CRENContent-Length: 1389 I'm just a beginner and my experience is limited, but FWIW...I started with a cleap leather baseball batting glove. The firsttime I planed I slipped and the cane cut thru the leather palm into the ball of my thumb a little. I learned to be more careful. Now I use a cleap fish cleaning glove (some fabric woven over strandsof stainless steel). Only cost about $8 at K-Mart. But the most important lesson is be careful. And keep the plane sharp so itit doesn't grab the cane and slide it down the form under your otherhand.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@csd.uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Dev Emch wrote: It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch from mcreek@sirus.com Wed Jan 8 18:40:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19789 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:39:58 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03422 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:38:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Heddon Book Call Dick Spurr at centennial Classic Sales at 970/243-8780 -or- e-mail him at spurr@kingfisher.com. Winter issue of his collectible tackle catalogue said it would be out inearly '97. Brian > You might be a Yankee if. . . (#16) You would rather have your sonbecome a lawyer than grow up to get his own TV fishing show! from FFer4trout@aol.com Wed Jan 8 18:58:14 1997 ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:58:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Heddon Book In a message dated 97-01-08 15:21:20 EST, you write: Subj: Heddon BookDate: 97-01-08 15:21:20 ESTFrom: mcdowellc@lanecc.edu (CHRISTOPHER C MCDOWELL)Sender: owner- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Has anyone bought the new Michael Sinclair book "Heddon: The Rods withthe Fighting Heart" yet? Is it available now? Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu Mac, The last I heard, it was due out at the end of Feb. Don B. from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Wed Jan 819:14:45 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20911 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:14:44 -0600 SMTP id AA10792(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 199718:14:42 -0700 4.1) Subject: HART Reals Hi ya'll I am trying to locate a fly reel. I think thename of the company was HART. THey were in Holland until they went out of business. The real has a name like "Rio Diablo" or someother Rio spanish name. It has a brasstriangle as a back plate and a spool caage make(sp) made of steel. Its drag is located withinthe spool and uses a sealed one way bearing. Noexternal drags. If anyone knows where I may find such a reel, letme know. This company used to import throughNew Mexico. They went out of business about2 years ago, so its kind of recent. Thanks from wishbone@headwaters.com Wed Jan 8 19:19:49 1997 TAA21028 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:19:47 -0600 (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA6423 0500 (5.65/1.1.8.2/12Aug95-1259PM) Comments: Authenticated sender is Subject: Unsubscribe...How? Priority: normal I must unfortunately unsubscribe to the list at this time, as certain obligations will take up quite a bit of my time. Would someone be so kind as to remind me how to unscribe to the list, or at least suspend receipt of mail? Thanks.Ian ScottWishbone Custom Rods2 Henry St., RR #1Grand Valley, Ontario519-928-2906 wishbone@headwaters.comhttp://credit.headwaters.com/wishbone ********************************************************************************************* "The butterfly counts not months but moments,and has time enough." Rabindranath TagoreFireflies, 1928 from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Wed Jan 8 19:32:43 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21602 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:32:36 -0600 Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:32:26 +0800 (WST) Subject: RE: bamboo tools I'd suggest shock tactics rather than pure force :-). Tony Rodmakers,The 12 strip spline cutter is $110.00 the 6 strip is aprox.@$45.00.I ordered the 12 strip. I will update all on my struggle to use it. In the flurry of calls to Hida Tool, did anyone get an approximate cost ofthe splitters? I'd hate to waste $6 to find that they were overpriced. -Jerryballard@zen.wes.army.mil /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from olfart@atlanta.com Wed Jan 8 20:59:05 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24748 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:59:03 -0600 Subject: Re: HART Reals Dev Emch wrote: Hi ya'll I am trying to locate a fly reel. I think thename of the company was HART. I believe that Ari Hart's company is still around. I'm fairly certainthat they or their representatives were at the 1996 tackle dealers showin Denver. I'll check the participants list at my office tomorrow andlet you know. Dave-- Visit Dave Teffeteller's Fly Fishing Guides Home Pagehttp://www.olfart.com from jsbond@inforamp.net Wed Jan 8 21:09:06 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25138 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:09:04 -0600 WAA12655 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 22:09:01 Subject: Canadian Rodmakers Greetings, I just noticed that Lee Valley has added Hock blades to their catalog, theyare around$ 32 CDN. JBJames Bond, Toronto, Canada Fax (416) 444-8380E-Mail jsbond@inforamp.net from tyoung@perth.DIALix.oz.au Wed Jan 8 21:58:51 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27538 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:58:46 -0600 Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:58:39 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: bamboo tools Nodeless construction is where you cut the nodes out of the culm before splitting the strips. The strips are then heat treated and scarfed to full size splines which are then planed to size.Bruce Connor explained it all to me and his FAQ has a few good items on this and is well worth looking at.Originaly I only intened making one rod this way, but now don't see any reason not to continue with it. Tony On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Dev Emch wrote: Tony...What exactly is the nodeless method? I figured this had to do withoffseting the splines to insure that the stress risers from the damsdid not concentrate in one regsion. /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection/***********************************************************************/ from thezig@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 01:24:28 1997 dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA26809 for; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 23:24:25 -0800 Organization: Redeye Productions Subject: Re: HART Reals Dev Emch wrote: Hi ya'll I am trying to locate a fly reel. I think thename of the company was HART. THey were inHolland until they went out of business. The real has a name like "Rio Diablo" or someother Rio spanish name. It has a brasstriangle as a back plate and a spool caage make(sp) made of steel. Its drag is located withinthe spool and uses a sealed one way bearing. Noexternal drags. If anyone knows where I may find such a reel, letme know. This company used to import throughNew Mexico. They went out of business about2 years ago, so its kind of recent. ThanksCall Jim Williams at "Just Reels" in Big Bend, Wisconsin. He's a goodsource. Don't have the number handy but he advertises in every FF magJim from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Thu Jan 9 09:25:531997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19698 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:25:52 -0600 SMTP id AA16663(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Jan 199708:25:48 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools You mean to say that each "dam" is cut cout leaving you with lots of smaller bamboo tubes. Each of these is thensplit into sections. Then the sections, oh about a 1 to 1.5feet long are then glued using a "scarf" joint. These newscarfed sections are then planed and then six of thesehybrids are glued to form the usual hex section. Do I have thiscorrect? Does the stress loading cause problems with all these scarfjoints lying around here? Afterall, the power fibers havebeen severed. Dev from Fallcreek9@aol.com Thu Jan 9 09:57:31 1997 ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:57:29 -0600 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... Dev: Have used regular leather, gauntlet style work gloves for spliting,etc. with quite satisfactory results. For planing, cotton gardening gloveswith gripping surfaces covered with tiny rubber dots work great. They areinexpensive, last a long time, and are found at discount type stores.Regards,Richard Tyree from rmoon@dns.ida.net Thu Jan 9 10:06:58 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22975 for ;Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:06:57 -0600 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... At 11:52 AM 1/8/97 MST, you wrote: It has been mentioned that hand protection is a mustwhen cutting and planing bamboo. One teacher, aaMr. Lon Blauvert, sugguests using TIG welder gloves. Does anyone know where to mail order these? I have also seen a pair of gloves made of kevlar. Itis a woven material with lots of little black rubberanti-skid dots on them. These are available through Bridge City Tool Works.Has anyone worked with these gloves? Dev Emch Try keepint your tools very sharp and use latex loves if you must. That isdall I have used for years and I am only very rarely cut. When I am it isbecause by blades are dull and I am forcing the cut. from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Thu Jan 9 14:22:27 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10968 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:22:26 -0600 9 Jan 97 15:22 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id PAA38284 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 9 Jan1997 15:22:22 -0500 Subject: N/S Retainer and Ring I just received a Struble nickel sliver end cap and ring fromCuston Tackel and Supply and I'm very pleased. Simple, nicelymade, affordable ($11.98 + ship. and hand., tot. 15.98) Havingnot seen these in the other catalogs I have I figured someoneelse might want to know about them. Thanks for the advise (I forget who suggested them). Dave from whensel@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 15:39:56 1997 ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:39:38 -0800 Subject: Colorado Bootstrap, Inc. FORMS ARRIVED TO beginners such as me: I throught at 44 waiting for toys got easier. It does not. The U.P.S. man knocked on my door a few minutes ago with the metal Planing forms made by Colorado Bootstrap, Inc.. When I laid eyes on them, I damn near had a mental orgasim. They came in a heavy thick PVC tube that will serve as a carying case forever. I placed the best straight edge I could find on them and all I could see is DARKNESS. One time in my life I didnt want to see the light. I then threw a depth gage on top of them and made a few adjustments just to" cop a feel" so to speak. Man it felt good. When I felt the weight of the forms in my hands, I realised that I was touching the main "Frame Of reference" I had been in search of since I had began of this journey in November 96. I throught to myself " if these forms don't give me the edge to navagate in this sea of Bamboo rod making then nothing will. It must have felt like that to a gun fighter of the Old West when he strapped on a Colt 44 for the first time. He had to have had a sense that he was holding on to the "equalizer". A wave of confidence moved from my hands up my arms into my chest and throw my entire body. I know it sounds weird but it did happen just that way. I want to persanlly thank Frank Armbruster for stepping into this small corner of the Fly Fishing world. He has made a ripple in the large sea of humanity that will create harmonic upon harmonic and thus put a smile on many a rodmakers face around the world even after he has moved on to another level of .....existance. Now and then a man comes along and makes a difference.....when you see it...you just knod your head and smile. You bet I am smiling and I say happy flying Frank, Bill Hensel- Englewood, Colorado from lsgorney@rs01.kings.edu Thu Jan 9 16:37:29 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19458 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:37:25 -0600 8.7/8.7) id RAA29996 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 Subject: Re: N/S Retainer and Ring Custom Tackle & Supply has some very nice and reasonably priced productsforthe rod builder (almost said custom rod builder). I've dealt with theguys from Shelbyville TN for a while and have always been pleased withtheirservice.Len Gorney lsgorney@rs01.kings.eduhttp://www.kings.edu/~lsgorney/index.htm from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Thu Jan 9 16:59:351997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21225 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:59:33 -0600 SMTP id AA21307(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Jan 199715:59:31 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap, Inc. FORMS ARRIVED I have heard that this form is difficult to use. Hard to adjust.I also left e-mail for this form and have not heard anything back. The reference to another "existance" bothers me....did something happen to Frank? He better not check out just yet!!!!! He stillhas at least one form left to make. St. Peter will have to waiton this one. Any of you have experience with after market forms, please letus know. Ease of use, recoommendations, cost, sourcing, etc.This info makes this list worth the effort..:) from rbrown@infocom.net Thu Jan 9 18:40:28 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26106 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:40:26 -0600 login1.infocom.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA12679 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:43:10 -0600 Organization: Home Subject: Re: N/S Retainer and Ring Give me the Custom Tackle & Supply phone # again "PLEASE". Thanks Rob from mcreek@sirus.com Thu Jan 9 18:55:10 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26673 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:55:07 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00794 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:53:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Canadian Rodmakers how much is that in real money, eh? ;) Brian > from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Thu Jan 9 19:00:20 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26983 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:00:15 -0600 9 Jan 97 20:00 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id UAA163788 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Thu, 9 Jan1997 20:00:12 -0500 Subject: Custom Tackle Supply info Her it is... Custom Tackle Supply2559 Hwy. 41AShelbyville TN 37160 (615) 684-6164 Dave from JCZIMNY@dol.net Thu Jan 9 19:14:11 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27583 for ;Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:14:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap, Inc. FORMS ARRIVED I don't know where you heard that CB forms are difficult to adjust. Nothing could be further from the truth. In point of fact, they are the easiest form to adjust that I've used. And,more importantly, they hold adjustment.They will probably take half an hour to adjust for a tyro. But after a few rods you can have them dead on in ten minutes.I've helped a few beginners with these forms. Most have difficulties because they have little or no experience with precision tools.I like the CB forms and they deserve to be called the first-rate piece of design work that they truly are. CB also deserves much credit for keeping the price down.Just for fun. Take one of CB's forms to a machine shop and ask the price to reproduce it plus or minus .001- one off. You'll be amazed.John from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Thu Jan 9 19:47:581997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28893 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:47:57 -0600 SMTP id AA00187(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Jan 199718:47:56 -0700 4.1) Subject: Looking for binders... I am looking for binders.... Has anyone got some good tips regardingbinders /binding machines. Thanks from GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDU Thu Jan 9 19:52:45 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29113 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:52:44 -0600 #19314) Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, Subject: NS Reel Seat I somehow missed getting the address and phone for Custom Tackle andSupplyIf someone could post that I would appriciate it. I assume they have a cataloggerald(jerry)johnsongjflyfsh@uwyo.edu from mcreek@sirus.com Thu Jan 9 19:59:03 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29264 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:59:02 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA01720 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:57:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for binders... I think that Wayne C. is putting together 50 some binders-in-a-box.E-mail him at Waynecatt@aol.com. Brian > from lsgorney@rs01.kings.edu Thu Jan 9 20:21:44 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00488 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:21:43 -0600 8.7/8.7) id VAA26254 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 Subject: Re: NS Reel Seat Custom Tackle Supply2559 Hwy. 41A S.Shelbyville TN 37160615-684-6164 Len Gorney lsgorney@rs01.kings.eduhttp://www.kings.edu/~lsgorney.index.htm from lsgorney@rs01.kings.edu Thu Jan 9 20:23:39 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00559 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:23:38 -0600 8.7/8.7) id VAA47278 for rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 Subject: Re: N/S Retainer and Ring Custom Tackle Supply2559 Hwy. 41A S.Shelbyville TN 37160615-684-6164 Len Gorney lsgorney@rs01.kings.eduhttp://www.kings.edu/~lsgorney/index.htm from jsmm@interaccess.com Thu Jan 9 20:41:50 1997 Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap, Inc. FORMS ARRIVED How do you get in touch with the Colorado Bootstrap company? from freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Thu Jan 9 21:13:33 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01985 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:13:32 -0600 Subject: method TO anyone who might be able to help:When I set the forms very carefully using a depth indicator with a veryflat surface in contact with the forms, and I plane down to the top of theforms so that the scraper only picks up metal, I'm still about .005 toolargeon my dimensions. I've checked the flatness of the scraper body. (I boughtanengineer's square for just this purpose, and I checked the flatness of theleading edge of the scraper blade-- all of which are right on).I can see that the strip of cane is BELOW the forms at the proper stationand the spline is still too large by about .003-.005. My dial calipers arestandard quality, and I zero the depth gauge on a precisely machinedsurface afriend lent me--it was made specifically for that. I even have a brand new60degree point on the depth indicator. The only thing I can do is slide the strip up in the forms toward the tipend to get the plane to engage the cane and remove any material. I CAN dothisand get exactly the numbers I need, though it might be moreprecise/efficient ifI could just plane/scrape to the top of the forms. I'm out of ideas: I can't think what is off. DO you have any ideas? Isthis "slop" standard operating procedure? I can accept that all this stuffhasits tolerances, and that it takes some tweaking to get the numbers righton.Are these problems you experience. Or can you just plane/scrape to thetop ofthe forms and wind up with numbers right on? -- Mark M. Freedfreedmar@pilot.msu.edu from FISHWOOL@aol.com Thu Jan 9 21:27:28 1997 ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:27:27 -0600 Subject: Re: Aesthetic Balance Reed,How can we build a cane rod that functions well without it beingbeautiful?Hank from jfoster@gte.net Thu Jan 9 21:37:10 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02817 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:37:06 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id VAA23192 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:36:53 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools As I hate gloves..sweaty palms..I would subscribe to Wayne's pink pearlor I use a small square cut from a woodworking non-slip pad. The kindused on the table under beltsanders and routers etc. Jer from jfoster@gte.net Thu Jan 9 21:40:57 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02986 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:40:54 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id VAA23561 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:40:51 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools Dev Chris a a very good FAQ on the web page. you should check it out..Chris also sent me a picture sequence which I appologize for not havingupdated yet..but I will Jer from JCZIMNY@dol.net Thu Jan 9 22:19:24 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA04316 for ;Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:19:20 -0600 Subject: Re: method Dear Mark,The point of the indicator may not be mating to the surfaces of the sidesof the form properly.I suspect either included angle(form or point)off mor than 1/2 a degreemight account for at least a couple of thousanths. (no I haven't checked the trig) Why not setyour depth guage in a known-depth standard and see if this can improve measurement?Also,one could adopt the method of Ted Knot and use short lenghts of drillrod inserted into the grooves of the form. Measure the height of the known diameter above thesurface of the form.John from jsbond@inforamp.net Thu Jan 9 22:25:17 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04624 for; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:25:16 -0600 XAA21830 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:25:16 - Subject: Re: Canadian Rodmakers That's five beaver pelts and a pound of flour, or $24.50 Yankee green backs. JB At 19:59 09/01/97 -0500, you wrote:how much is that in real money, eh? ;) Brian > James Bond, Toronto, Canada Fax (416) 444-8380E-Mail jsbond@inforamp.net from richard.nootebos@infoboard.be Fri Jan 10 04:02:02 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA16371 for ;Fri, 10 Jan 1997 04:01:59 - 0600 glen.ib.be (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14319; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:01:50+0100 (MET) Subject: Re: HART Reals Dev Emch wrote: Hi ya'll I am trying to locate a fly reel. I think thename of the company was HART. THey were inHolland until they went out of business. The real has a name like "Rio Diablo" or someother Rio spanish name. It has a brasstriangle as a back plate and a spool caage make(sp) made of steel. Its drag is located withinthe spool and uses a sealed one way bearing. Noexternal drags. If anyone knows where I may find such a reel, letme know. This company used to import throughNew Mexico. They went out of business about2 years ago, so its kind of recent. Thanks Ari T'Hart went out of business about two years ago and he startedanother Reel making company a month later. You should be able to track down hisnew company which is operating under almost the same name (HART is inthere). Regards, The FlyFishing Dutchman from richard.nootebos@infoboard.be Fri Jan 10 04:05:02 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA16408 for ;Fri, 10 Jan 1997 04:04:50 - 0600 glen.ib.be (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14495; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:04:54+0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Colorado Bootstrap, Inc. FORMS ARRIVED William Hensel wrote: TO beginners such as me: I throught at 44 waiting for toys got easier. It does not. The U.P.S.man knocked on my door a few minutes ago with the metal Planing formsmade by Colorado Bootstrap, Inc.. When I laid eyes on them, I damn near had a mental orgasim. They camein a heavy thick PVC tube that will serve as a carying case forever. Iplaced the best straight edge I could find on them and all I could seeis DARKNESS. One time in my life I didnt want to see the light. Ithen threw a depth gage on top of them and made a few adjustments justto" cop a feel" so to speak. Man it felt good. When I felt the weight of the forms in my hands, I realised that I wastouching the main "Frame Of reference" I had been in search of since Ihad began of this journey in November 96. I throught to myself " ifthese forms don't give me the edge to navagate in this sea of Bamboorod making then nothing will. It must have felt like that to a gunfighter of the Old West when he strapped on a Colt 44 for the firsttime. He had to have had a sense that he was holding on to the"equalizer". A wave of confidence moved from my hands up my arms intomy chest and throw my entire body. I know it sounds weird but it didhappen just that way. I want to persanlly thank Frank Armbruster for stepping into this smallcorner of the Fly Fishing world. He has made a ripple in the largesea of humanity that will create harmonic upon harmonic and thus put asmile on many a rodmakers face around the world even after he hasmovedon to another level of .....existance. Now and then a man comes along and makes a difference.....when you seeit...you just knod your head and smile. You bet I am smiling and I say happy flying Frank, Bill Hensel- Englewood, Colorado If you still fail to make the perfect flyrod you can always become a writer;-) Richard - The FlyFishing Dutchman from whensel@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 08:07:48 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 06:07:42 -0800 Subject: Boottstrap Web Site Colorado Boostrap Planing Forms WEB SITE is: http://home.earthlink.net/~bootstrap/fishing This site will give you the important information. Bill Hensel from TSmithwick@aol.com Fri Jan 10 08:29:51 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:29:50 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools Dev writes: from Fallcreek9@aol.com Fri Jan 10 08:34:42 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:34:39 -0600 Subject: Re: method Mark - you may be having the same problem I was having in that the pointonmy depth gage was blunted. When zeroing out, the gage was resting on theblunted 60d point, whereas while in use it rests on the sides of the bevel.Sweet Water Rods (610-756-6385) sells a "standard" as it's called,whichwill zero out on the bevel of the point. Another, related problem can beencountered while measuring across the 60d point of the bamboo strip. Inthiscase, you may think you are on spec while in fact the point of the bamboohascrushed a few thou - so when you measure across your glued up and sandedsection it can be oversize. There was at one time (and may still be) av-block that clips to a caliper and measures the bamboo by bearing on thebevel instead of the point. The use of those two tools solved the problem Hope this helps and best regards. Richard Tyree from FFer4trout@aol.com Fri Jan 10 08:43:34 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:43:32 -0600 Subject: WTD: Kirkfield book Does anyone have a copy "The Fine Bamboo Rod: A Master's Secrets toRestoration" by Stuart Kirkfield that's for sale? Or know of a used booklistthat would have it? Thanks, Don Burns from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:12:261997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02267 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:12:23 -0600 SMTP id AA04881(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:12:22 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: bamboo tools Chris who? Do you have a URL for this FAQ? from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:16:061997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02654 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:16:05 -0600 SMTP id AA05309(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:16:04 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: Canadian Rodmakers Hey! The canadians make some awsome stuff...just look at theGeneral woodworking machines! They will blow Delta andPowermatic to the moon with one hand tied behind their backs! Dev (Need Tools, AAAA) Emch from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:18:531997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02768 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:18:52 -0600 SMTP id AA05466(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:18:51 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: HART Reals Yes but!!! Is the new Ari Hart company still building the samereel and with the same quality? Any one know more about thisnew "HART" reel company? Dev from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Jan 10 10:30:09 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:30:07 -0600 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... Hi,Try the eraser trick. It works for me-I have no fingers on my right hand.Hank Woolman. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Jan 10 10:30:09 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:30:07 -0600 Subject: Re: method Mark,Your 60 deg. point may be off. I've been too lazy to get a 60 deg. pointand made my own-very imprecise-so I set various tapers using strips ofknowndepth and recording my depth guage readings for the future settings I amcarefull to make sure that the depth guage gives me the highest reading ateach 5" point(my point is obviously out of round). This sounds like a lot oftrouble but not really-it's just a matter of knowing the limits if the tools.Hank. from FISHWOOL@aol.com Fri Jan 10 10:30:10 1997 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:30:04 -0600 Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... Dev,I don't work with gloves. I do get a splinter occasionally but I get abetter feel of the plane's angle without gloves.Hank Woolman. from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:32:361997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03774 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:32:35 -0600 SMTP id AA06545(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:32:34 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: WTD: Kirkfield book Don... I forget the address and netscape is not running on my machine write now.But if you go to the conner bamboo rod page, there is a URL which takesyou to a set of other links. One of these takes you to a commerical area. One of these has a name like good old books or something like that. They are in Montana. He is cool guy with lots of hunting and fishingbooks. Many used. Give him a call and see whats available. SorryI do not have the exact URL on the tip of my tongue. :)...There are somany good URLs these days. he he he Dev Emch from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:38:241997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04189 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:38:23 -0600 SMTP id AA07053(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:38:21 -0700 4.1) Subject: Forms and Videos If anyone has an address for the "Digger" video, I wouldbe very happy. Also, after reading some of the old list archives, I cameaccross a metal planing form. Its 72 inches long and costsabout 750 dollars. Does anyone know anything about thisform? ThanksDev Emch from emchd%MrData-sun1@atlantis-sun4.stortek.com Fri Jan 10 10:57:411997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05390 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:57:38 -0600 SMTP id AA08715(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 199709:57:36 -0700 4.1) Subject: Re: More Tool Time Stuff.... Bamboo splinters? Wasn't that a means of torture at one time? from khube@benmeadows.com Fri Jan 10 11:15:14 1997 LAA06354 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:15:13 -0600 12:14:53 -0500 Subject: Custom Tackle NS Ring Does anyone have the stock number(s) of the Struble butt cap and slip ring from Custom Tackle that everyone has been talking about ? My catalog hasnotarrived and I'd like to get a jump on the order. Thanks. Karl Hube from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Fri Jan 10 11:33:25 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07549 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:33:23 -0600 (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA088277602; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:33:22 -0800 Subject: Books Don, Here are two websites with books. I didn't see the Kirkfield book youwere looking for but they may have more available than what is listed on the website or they could be referenced for future use. http://www1.mhv.net/ffn/FlyBuyBooksLZ.html http://www.kootenay.net/business/angling/ Macmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from ddm7t@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Fri Jan 10 12:46:00 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12051 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:45:59 -0600 10 Jan 97 13:45 EST (8.7.6/8.6.6) id NAA286628 for RODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu; Fri, 10 Jan1997 13:45:50 -0500 Subject: custom Tackle NS Ring Karl, I just called up and described what I wanted and.....PRESTO!It came in the mail (with a catalog...in which it is item #NSRR) Dave from richard.nootebos@infoboard.be Fri Jan 10 14:58:43 1997 (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19446 for ;Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:58:40 - 0600 glen.ib.be (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA03423; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 21:58:46+0100 (MET) Subject: Re: HART Reals Dev Emch wrote: Yes but!!! Is the new Ari Hart company still building the samereel and with the same quality? Any one know more about thisnew "HART" reel company? Dev What I know is that Ari T'Hart is the same guy building the reels. However, the designs are all new now as he might have had problems using the older designs as these might have been property of his old company - which went out of business. BTW, the Rio Orbigo reels and the other reels out of that line should not be too dificult to get second-hand (in Europe) Bye, Richard - The FlyFishing Dutchman from khube@benmeadows.com Fri Jan 10 15:42:49 1997 PAA22163 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:42:46 -0600 16:42:44 -0500 Subject: Custom Tackle Thanks to Dave Makel and others on the Custom Tackle source. I rang upandgot the last Struble cap & ring set on hand...more due in soon. This willget the present rod finished. Good folks and most helpful. Karl Hube from kpetter@online.no Fri Jan 10 15:46:01 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22267 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:45:53 -0600 ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:45:34 +0100 (MET) Subject: Binder weights To anyone who might help. I`m new to this listOn but section WC. discribe in his book 1.5 lb weight on the driverbelt. What weight might be usable for the top section.Since it`s my first rod I dont want to get it all wrong when glueing.-- Kristian PettersenDepartment of Fisheries and Marine BiologyUniversity of Bergen, Norway from mcreek@sirus.com Fri Jan 10 19:31:30 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02490 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:31:28 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA01515 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:30:21 -0500 Subject: Re: bamboo tools My no slip pad is that technicolor carpet padding. If you know a carpetinstaller you could get it cheap or free. Brian from GJFLYFSH@UWYO.EDU Fri Jan 10 19:47:05 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02972 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:47:04 -0600 #19314) Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Fri, Subject: Kirkfield Book DonJust Good Books at justgoodbooks.com had Kirkfield's book in their lastcatalog It was a 1st ed for 175. I don't know if it is still available.I have done business with them and had no problems. The e-mail isbooks@imt.net phone 800-207-0799. I'm not affiliated with themgerald(jerry)johnson from jfoster@gte.net Fri Jan 10 20:00:09 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03637 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:00:07 -0600 smtp.gte.net (SMI-8.6/) via SMTP id UAA24470 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:00:05 -0600 Subject: Re: bamboo tools Brian Have you tried using a peice of it as a holddown for planing? Jer from rcurry@jlc.net Fri Jan 10 20:11:24 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04304 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:11:21 -0600 verdi.jlc.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06001 for Subject: Re: Aesthetic Balance FISHWOOL@aol.com wrote: Reed,How can we build a cane rod that functions well without it beingbeautiful?HankHank,It doesn't require a great deal of effort. You might paint the caneblack (e.g., Black Beauty), or perhaps use rainbow windings (e.g.,Kingfisher), or a 9" full Wells grip (too numerous to mention). Somemight find Zebrawood or purpleheart inserts offensive. I personally canlive with lime green windings (e.g., W&M Granger Special) but I don'tlike stubby Super Zs (IMHO, stepdown ferrules look better.) I once had arod with 1/4" intermediates with tipping, every 3/4"; it was dizzying tolook at. Blue anodized reelseats are a curse, as are copper coloredfittings (e.g., Philipson Peerless).Hank, there is tremendous scope for producing UUUUUUgly cane flyrods.However, having seen the rods you make, you're headed in the wrongdirection ... the delightful rods that you produce are as pleasing tothe eye as they are to cast.Best regards,Reed from mcreek@sirus.com Fri Jan 10 21:59:23 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07322 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 21:59:22 -0600 sirus.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA03320 for; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:58:13 -0500 Subject: Re: bamboo tools jerry, No, I haven't, but its really tacky when "fresh." Brian from freedmar@pilot.msu.edu Sat Jan 11 08:11:14 1997 wugate.wustl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26083 for; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 08:11:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Binder weights 10, 97 10:44:50 pm To anyone who might help. I`m new to this listOn b