from jczimny@dol.net Wed Jun 10 16:09:21 1998 Subject: Re: Another Lathe Query Tom,You can buy a collet closer for your lathe. Southbend still sells them andtheyare also available from Blue Ridge Machinery. If you go that route, you'llhaveto use 3C collets. The most inexpensive 3C collets that I've seen are atMSC andare $42 per collet. The alternative is to buy a Bison Collet chuck andmount itto a machined back-plate. You'll have to machine the back plate yourself -avery precise but not at all impossible task. After the collet chuck ismounted,You'll be able to use 5C collets that start a about $7 per and you'll alsohavea greater range of sizes.John Zimny m wrote: John Zimny, Dave LeClair and other lathe gurus I use a South Bend 9" Tool Room Lathe. I bought a set of Erickson doubleangle collets to better hold ferrule stock and completed ferrules forlapping. (Had been using a Jacobs headstock spindle chuck). In my pursuitofa collet chuck, I had been looking for a chuck that was tapered to fit intothe headstock (MT 2 according to my South Bend book). The MT2 colletchuckavailable from MSC will fit my tailstock but is too small for theheadstock.Am I looking for something that doesn't exist? If I don't want to spring($$) for a drawbar setup, should I be using a straight shank collet chuckinmy Jacobs chuck? My old lathe books don't really talk about non drawbar setups. Any help isappreciated. Tom Whittle---------- from jczimny@dol.net Wed Jun 10 16:48:59 1998 Subject: Re: Another Lathe Query Another thought Tom. Are you telling me that the chuck from MSC will onlyfit a 2MTtaper? If so, you can buy an adaptor sleeve that will convert a 3MT to a2MT.John Zimny J. C. Zimny wrote: Tom,You can buy a collet closer for your lathe. Southbend still sells them andtheyare also available from Blue Ridge Machinery. If you go that route, you'llhaveto use 3C collets. The most inexpensive 3C collets that I've seen are atMSC andare $42 per collet. The alternative is to buy a Bison Collet chuck andmount itto a machined back-plate. You'll have to machine the back plate yourself- avery precise but not at all impossible task. After the collet chuck ismounted,You'll be able to use 5C collets that start a about $7 per and you'll alsohavea greater range of sizes.John Zimny m wrote: John Zimny, Dave LeClair and other lathe gurus I use a South Bend 9" Tool Room Lathe. I bought a set of Erickson doubleangle collets to better hold ferrule stock and completed ferrules forlapping. (Had been using a Jacobs headstock spindle chuck). In mypursuit ofa collet chuck, I had been looking for a chuck that was tapered to fitintothe headstock (MT 2 according to my South Bend book). The MT2 colletchuckavailable from MSC will fit my tailstock but is too small for theheadstock.Am I looking for something that doesn't exist? If I don't want to spring($$) for a drawbar setup, should I be using a straight shank collet chuckinmy Jacobs chuck? My old lathe books don't really talk about non drawbar setups. Any helpisappreciated. Tom Whittle---------- from richjez@enteract.com Wed Jun 10 17:20:19 1998 0000 (147.126.253.18) Subject: Travel time Does anyone know how long it takes to get to the Mac bridge fromGrayling?Thinknig of going home that way.Rich Jezioro*________________________________)// Rich Jezioro @ /||/______/_||_________________________________________|| /\ / \ > > from cpence@mwci.net Wed Jun 10 18:24:24 1998 1998 18:24:28 -0500 Subject: Source for b/o jasper (variagated) silk? Hi,I'm a newcommer to the list and a lover of cane rods. Not a builder, though. Hope it's OK to listen in (won't have much of anything to contribute). I would like to ask whether anyone has a source for black/orange jasper for use in restoring a SB290. That done, I'll retire to the back of the room and enjoy the conversation. Thanks in advance --Craig Pence from LECLAIR123@aol.com Wed Jun 10 18:39:00 1998 Subject: Re: Another Lathe Query Tom,I have a draw bar set up and collets for my south bend,but I usethe double angle collets and seperate collet holder in my chuck. I find it isalot easier and faster. If you keep your eyes open and watch the news paperfor tool auctions, you might find a draw bar set up and collets.I've seensomeat some of the auctions I've been to. Dave LeClair from LECLAIR123@aol.com Wed Jun 10 18:50:08 1998 Subject: Re: Reel Seat question Jon,All my rods have very large swelled butts. There are noreelseats,including mine thet will fit over the butt of the rod. I turn by butts down in mylathe to fitt the reel seat ID. Never had a problem and I know I never will as thereisn't that much strain on that area of the rod. Dave LeClair from CALucker@aol.com Wed Jun 10 19:09:24 1998 Subject: Re: Source for b/o jasper (variagated) silk? Buy the black/white and dye it. from thramer@presys.com Wed Jun 10 20:19:59 1998 0000 Subject: Re: Source for b/o jasper (variagated) silk? Craig Pence wrote: Hi,I'm a newcommer to the list and a lover of cane rods. Not a builder,though. Hope it's OK to listen in (won't have much of anything tocontribute). I would like to ask whether anyone has a source forblack/orange jasper for use in restoring a SB290. That done, I'll retire tothe back of the room and enjoy the conversation. Thanks in advance --CraigPence Send me your snail address and I will send 50 yds. I posted a similiarplea for some black/red recently and was rewarded by a very kindindividual with some so it is my duty to pass on the 'silk thread' toanother listmember.A.J.Thramer from selez@ibm.net Wed Jun 10 21:48:16 1998 (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA48080 for ;Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:48:13GMT Subject: Re: Ferrules - Calling all ferrules Chris Bogart wrote: Darryl I have heard that Grahmne's brother has stopped making them(retired) and now the count is down to one! Not a good thought! Chris On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:47:58 EDT, SalarFly@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/8/98 1:33:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,jczimny@dol.netwrites: As far as I know. There are only three makers in existence.1. Baily Wood2. Grahm Maisey's brother.3. Rodon/Cortland --I don't know anyone selling these.That's it.John Zimny Thanks, that's all I could come up with also. Maybe this could stimulatesomeone to start making them.....Darryl Hayashida The last time I was in Bob Marriott's Fly shop (1 week ago), they stillcarried the Rodon/Cortland ferrules. They certainly aren'ton the best seller list there, but are availible nonetheless, andthey do ship anywhere.Bill from jfoster@gte.net Wed Jun 10 23:57:16 1998 Subject: Re: List mac-creator="4D4F5353" Finally got my machine back on line.. the apr and may archives areposted,,,in three parts..some of use are getting timeouts due to thelong download times. regards jerry from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Jun 11 00:14:16 1998 Subject: Re: Ferrules - Calling all ferrules In a message dated 6/10/98 7:54:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,selez@ibm.netwrites: The last time I was in Bob Marriott's Fly shop (1 week ago), they stillcarried the Rodon/Cortland ferrules. They certainly aren'ton the best seller list there, but are availible nonetheless, andthey do ship anywhere. Maybe we will meet some day, I'm in there just about every other day.I'm on a first name basis with just about all the sales clerks. Yes, they do have the Cortland ferrules, but the males on them areso oversized you have to work for hours to fit them. I don't like themat all. Darryl Hayashida from hokkaido_flyfisher@yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 00:57:02 1998 Subject: Bellinger Beveler Fellow rodmakers, I am an apprentice rodmakers in Japan,and looking for anyone with opinions regarding the Bellinger beveler. My rodmakingteacher is thinking of buying one ... from their video, it looks rather straightforward to use ... Any comments would be much appreciated. Cheers, Christian==Mr. Christian THALACKER Otaru University of CommerceMatsugae 2-6-30 Otaru International Center #253047-0022 Hokkaido JAPAN Midori 3-5-21 Otaru047 Hokkaido JAPAN http://members.tripod.com/~Nijimasu/O.htmlNothing is impossible until it is sent to a committee._________________________________________________________DO YOU YAHOO!?Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com from tom@cet-inc.com Thu Jun 11 05:20:31 1998 0000 Subject: Re: Another Lathe Query John,No, MSC has 2MT and 3MT tapers. But I believe my SB headstock taper is a2MTtaper, its just larger in diameter than the 2MT taper chucks that MSC has Maybethat will work. If not, I guess I'll use the straight chuck in my Jacobs asmentioned by Dave.Thanks for your help guys.Tom----------From: "J. C. Zimny" Subject: Re: Another Lathe QueryDate: Wed, Jun 10, 1998, 4:41 PM Another thought Tom. Are you telling me that the chuck from MSC willonly fit a 2MTtaper? If so, you can buy an adaptor sleeve that will convert a 3MT to a2MT.John Zimny J. C. Zimny wrote: from flyfisher@cmix.com Thu Jun 11 08:03:56 1998 Subject: Re:RE: Ferrules - Calling all ferrules RO>In a message dated 6/10/98 7:54:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,selez@ibm.netRO>writes: RO>> The last time I was in Bob Marriott's Fly shop (1 week ago), they stillRO>> carried the Rodon/Cortland ferrules. They certainly aren'tRO>> on the best seller list there, but are availible nonetheless, andRO>> they do ship anywhere.RO>> RO>Maybe we will meet some day, I'm in there just about every other day.RO>I'm on a first name basis with just about all the sales clerks. RO>Yes, they do have the Cortland ferrules, but the males on them areRO>so oversized you have to work for hours to fit them. I don't like themRO>at all. RO>Darryl Hayashida Does anyone know who's the manufacturer of the Ni-plated brass ferrulesthat are on the market? Angler's Workshop wouldn't reveal thatinformation when I called them. (big suprise) Don Burns from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Jun 11 10:41:15 1998 Subject: Re: Bellinger Beveler In a message dated 6/10/98 10:58:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,hokkaido_flyfisher@yahoo.com writes: I am an apprentice rodmakers in Japan,and looking for anyone with opinions regarding the Bellinger beveler. My rodmakingteacher is thinking of buying one ... from their video, it looks rather straightforward to use ... Any comments would be much appreciated. Cheers, Christian If he isn't in a hurry to buy one, one of the thingsI'm talking to the guys at Bamboo Flyrod Magazineabout is testing the various beveling machines outthere. They are going to do it, but the article mightnot get published until next year. The actual testing,which I'm supposed to be a part of, will probablystart this summer. I can keep you informed as it goesalong if they let me (they might want to keep the resultsto themselves until the article comes out). Not having seen either machine in person, but after watching the Bellinger video, and talking to people having used the Tom Morgan Hand Mill and reading their brochure, I would get theMorgan Hand Mill. My opinion only! Darryl Hayashida from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Thu Jun 11 11:09:20 1998 post.interalpha.net(8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA28533 for ;Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:27:06+0100 Subject: Re: Oxidising Guys Re: oxidising agent. Many thanks to the friends who made offers on and off list. At last, I seem to have finally got this one covered from a local source.I'm really looking forward to getting that super deep blue/black colour onmy ferrules. All I have to do then, is re-oxidise the 128 other rods hangingin the cupboard. There are some damned good guys on this list, and I, for one, am gratefulthat there are some selfless folks left in a hurry-scurry world. John Cooper (England) from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Thu Jun 11 11:09:25 1998 post.interalpha.net(8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA28477 for ;Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:25:47+0100 Subject: Re: Bellinger Beveler At 22:58 10/06/98 -0700, you wrote:Fellow rodmakers, I am an apprentice rodmakers in Japan,and looking for anyone with opinions regarding the Bellinger beveler. My rodmakingteacher is thinking of buying one ... from their video, it looks rather straightforward to use ... Any comments would be much appreciated. Cheers, Christian Chris I really believe that the compact beveller made by Barry Grantham may bethebest beveller EVER to have been made. The accuracy is certainlyconsistently.001" +- It's going to be expensive I think, and it simply couln't be any other way.The components are all to quality - ground bedways, high grade bearings,andthe like, and they cost a fortune. Add to this that Barry is not easy to tie down to a delivery date, and youhave debits to go with the credits. I bet is would still be making rods in 200 years though. If speed and throughput are not of the first priority, then the Morganmachine is maybe a better bet. John Cooper from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Jun 11 11:47:31 1998 Subject: Testing Ferrules I'm getting a little involved in the ferrule articlethat's going to appear in the Bamboo FlyrodMagazine. The guys there asked what typesof tests they should do on the ferrules. I suggested a few from a users standpoint,how close to stated size, how hard to fitthe male into the female, wall thickness, what percentage nickel, do they crack the thread varnish when installed and in use. Anybody have any other tests they would liketo see? Darryl Hayashida from hokkaido_flyfisher@yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 12:16:44 1998 Subject: Re: Bellinger Beveler John, It is good to talk to you after a longabsence (on my part) from Rodmakers [our lastconverstion... a scant thread on your favorite English rodmaker, if memory serves me correctly]. Hoshihara-sensei, my rod-building teacher, from what I gather, is thinking aboutstarting a rod-building business & course in Sapporo after he retires from his day job (within a few years) ... after being aself-taught amateur for about 10-15 years,I think that he's in a position to make thejob. from what I understand ... he wants a good quality machine that will save him as much rough planing as possible, while giving him as much accuracy as possible. The market here in Japan for bamboo rods is small compared to themarket for graphite, and I thinkthat he'll start this commercial endeavor as a labor of love, losing money, hoping that his rods sell through word of mouth. If there's an appropriate beveler that can help him be able to turn out a few rods a month,he would be happy. Have you used either theTM or BG's machine? Any thoughts would beappreciated. Cheers, Christian ---"J.Cooper" wrote:Chris I really believe that the compact beveller made to have been made. The accuracy is certainly consistently .001" +- It's going to be expensive I think, and it simply couln't be any other way. The components are all to quality - ground bedways, high grade bearings, and the like, and they cost a fortune. Add to this that Barry is not easy to tie down to a delivery date, and you have debits to go with the credits. I bet is would still be making rods in 200 yearsthough. If speed and throughput are not of the first priority, then the Morgan machine is maybe a better bet. John Cooper==Mr. Christian THALACKER Otaru University of CommerceMatsugae 2-6-30 Otaru International Center #253047-0022 Hokkaido JAPAN Midori 3-5-21 Otaru047 Hokkaido JAPAN http://members.tripod.com/~Nijimasu/O.htmlNothing is impossible until it is sent to a committee._________________________________________________________DO YOU YAHOO!?Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Thu Jun 11 12:35:55 1998 (1.37.109.24/16.2) id AA189386542; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:35:43 -0700 Subject: RE: Testing Ferrules Daryl, Another test or rating might be in the oxidation of the ferrules. How well do they oxidize with a standard oxidation process used on all the samples you test. I suppose the percentage of nickel would be the key, but also how well the ferrules are polished and solder residue removed around the welt etc. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from rmoon@ida.net Thu Jun 11 12:42:39 1998 Subject: Re: Testing Ferrules Darryl If I recall correctly, we may have a little difference in what we expect from a ferrule. But then that is why we have fun on this list. Right?I would not buy a set of ferrules that go together before they aremounted. Unless the male is oversized, it cannot be dressed for aprecise fit. I am referring of course to high quality NS ferrules.Secondly, I am more than completely convinced that the cracking of thevarnish at the ferrule edge is an error on the part of the maker of therod, not the maker of the ferrule. The ferrule must be feathered to anextremely thin edge, and that cannot be machined into the ferrulewithout making it too fragile to handle. I do think that many ferrules are made with a solder which has too low amelting point. I have had trouble once in a while with ferrules comingapart when heated. I know enough to use only an alcohol lamp and toheat very slowly, and admittedly many ferrules are ok, but there a are afew?? Ralph from hokkaido_flyfisher@yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 13:36:03 1998 Subject: Re: Bellinger Beveler Darryl, I received/watched the Bellinger video yesterday.TM emailed me the day before (after I got hisaddress from BFR magazine), so that brochure iscoming this way. As I wrote to J Cooper, Hoshihara-sensei is not in a hurry to buy, so we'd definitely like to hear the strip by strip comparisons ;-) Cheers, Christian ---SalarFly@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/10/98 10:58:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,hokkaido_flyfisher@yahoo.com writes: I am an apprentice rodmakers in Japan,and looking for anyone with opinions regarding the Bellinger beveler. My rodmakingteacher is thinking of buying one ... from their video, it looks rather straightforward to use ... Any comments would be much appreciated. Cheers, Christian If he isn't in a hurry to buy one, one of the thingsI'm talking to the guys at Bamboo Flyrod Magazineabout is testing the various beveling machines outthere. They are going to do it, but the article mightnot get published until next year. The actual testing,which I'm supposed to be a part of, will probablystart this summer. I can keep you informed as it goesalong if they let me (they might want to keep the resultsto themselves until the article comes out). Not having seen either machine in person, but after watching the Bellinger video, and talking to people having used the Tom Morgan Hand Mill and reading their brochure, I would get theMorgan Hand Mill. My opinion only! Darryl Hayashida==Mr. Christian THALACKER Otaru University of CommerceMatsugae 2-6-30 Otaru International Center #253047-0022 Hokkaido JAPAN Midori 3-5-21 Otaru047 Hokkaido JAPAN http://members.tripod.com/~Nijimasu/O.htmlNothing is impossible until it is sent to a committee._________________________________________________________DO YOU YAHOO!?Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com from jlintvet@clarityconnect.com Thu Jun 11 13:40:59 1998 mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Thu,11Jun 1998 14:43:39 -0400 Subject: Re: glue for ferrules Has anyone tried Dupro(sp) brand? Home Depot sells it.Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from jlintvet@clarityconnect.com Thu Jun 11 13:41:00 1998 mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Thu,11Jun 1998 14:43:39 -0400 Subject: Re: glue for ferrules I also use the Shell epon for ferrules. I don't know about this 6 month biz though. I understood you were not supposed to let it freeze or sit in the sun. Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from jlintvet@clarityconnect.com Thu Jun 11 13:46:02 1998 mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Thu,11Jun 1998 14:47:21 -0400 Subject: Re: List Hey there...good to see you. Could you please change the link from the tools section of the web page. I think yio have it .html. It should be to .htm (or maybe it's the other way around.). Take care, Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from anglport@con2.com Thu Jun 11 14:50:36 1998 Subject: Re: Testing Ferrules Darryl,This may be pushing it but since you asked: I once pushed the vapor barrierright out of a female ferrule while trying to seat the thing. Prehaps youcould watch for easily displaced dams when gluing the little devils? Eversince that time I have set my ferrules with a shouldered fixture thatpusheson the dam at the same time it seats the female ferrule. No problems withthat one yet! Don't know whether mine is a common problem or not. I didn'twant to waste the bandwidth responding to your Cortland comment but,sinceI'm talking to you now, AMEN to the critique of the fit. They suck unlessyour hobby is fitting ferrules and you merely build rods as an excuse tofile nickel silver!Art At 12:45 PM 6/11/98 EDT, you wrote:I'm getting a little involved in the ferrule articlethat's going to appear in the Bamboo FlyrodMagazine. The guys there asked what typesof tests they should do on the ferrules. I suggested a few from a users standpoint,how close to stated size, how hard to fitthe male into the female, wall thickness, what percentage nickel, do they crack the thread varnish when installed and in use. Anybody have any other tests they would liketo see? Darryl Hayashida from RMargiotta@aol.com Thu Jun 11 15:15:25 1998 Subject: Glue for ferrules Is there any reason why the new polyurethane glues shouldn't work wellwithferrules? They seem to be strong, somewhat flexible and have good gapfillingproperties. --Rich from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Jun 11 16:55:47 1998 Subject: Re: Glue for ferrules In a message dated 6/11/98 1:20:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,RMargiotta@aol.com writes: Is there any reason why the new polyurethane glues shouldn't work wellwithferrules? They seem to be strong, somewhat flexible and have good gap fillingproperties. I've used it for ferrules before. Seems okay, haven't had any failures yet. Darryl Hayashida from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Jun 11 17:40:08 1998 Subject: Re: Testing Ferrules In a message dated 6/11/98 10:46:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,rmoon@ida.netwrites: I would not buy a set of ferrules that go together before they aremounted. Unless the male is oversized, it cannot be dressed for aprecise fit. I am referring of course to high quality NS ferrules. This is true, but it's a matter of degree. The Cortland ferrule males areway oversized. Bailey Woods ferrules come with the male able toengage halfway down. Much easier to fit. Secondly, I am more than completely convinced that the cracking of thevarnish at the ferrule edge is an error on the part of the maker of therod, not the maker of the ferrule. The ferrule must be feathered to anextremely thin edge, and that cannot be machined into the ferrulewithout making it too fragile to handle. I'm thinking about the discussion we had last week about serrated and nonserrated ends. Design of the ferrule may have something to do withcracking the varnish. At any rate it's something to look in to. Darryl from wbinn@michiana.org Thu Jun 11 21:05:31 1998 freenet.michiana.org (8.8.2/8.7.3(CICNet)) with ESMTP id VAA24424 for Subject: Re: Travel time Rich,The "Bridge" is about 80 miles north of Grayling but is a quick trip viaI- 75 accessed right at Grayling. Winston Binney from ragnarig@integrityol.com Thu Jun 11 22:43:29 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A58811700B6; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:50:32 PDT Subject: Re: Glue for ferrules Is there any reason why the new polyurethane glues shouldn't work wellwithferrules? They seem to be strong, somewhat flexible and have good gapfillingproperties. Dear Rich I've been using polyurethane glues since they were introduced to me aboutseven years ago in Bavaria (got it in the health-food store) and have hadgood luck with it on boats, musical instruments and rods. It's myunderstanding, however, that it is not to be considered gap-filling andthatthe joints should be tight. I've been thinking about using it to glue rods together, but I think thatI'll stick with epoxy (which I know is gap-filling) for ferrules. Davy from irish-george@worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 12 00:19:21 1998 with ESMTP id +0000 Subject: Re: Testing Ferrules How about a strain test to see how much the ferrule affects the rod action(how big is the "flat spot"?)? Ideally, you'd start with one piece rods,measuredeflection, ferrule them and re-measure deflection. George Bourke ----------From: SalarFly@aol.com Subject: Testing FerrulesDate: Thursday, June 11, 1998 9:45 AM I'm getting a little involved in the ferrule articlethat's going to appear in the Bamboo FlyrodMagazine. The guys there asked what typesof tests they should do on the ferrules. I suggested a few from a users standpoint,how close to stated size, how hard to fitthe male into the female, wall thickness, what percentage nickel, do they crack the thread varnish when installed and in use. Anybody have any other tests they would liketo see? Darryl Hayashida from irish-george@worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 12 00:32:55 1998 with ESMTP id +0000 Subject: Re: Testing Ferrules Hmmm, after reading some other posts I have (yet) another suggested testyou may wish to consider.You may wish to have the ferrules x-rayed to examine the how consistentandvoid-free the solderingis. The way I would suggest going about this, is to locate aHewlett-Packard 5DX X-ray Laminography(3D) system in your area. They are commonly used to examine thesolderingof printed circuit assemblies.The reasons I would suggest this system are:readily available in most metropolitan areasability to print out (in color) the results (x-rays) or store to diskin a standard graphics formatability to discriminate 10 mil slicesshould be relatively inexpensive (maybe $300 for an hour of service,should be able to examine severalsamples from all themanufacturers of ferrules you can find in an hour)I work for HP and want a bigger profit-sharing check! ;^) (justkidding folks) George Bourke ----------From: SalarFly@aol.com Subject: Testing FerrulesDate: Thursday, June 11, 1998 9:45 AM I'm getting a little involved in the ferrule articlethat's going to appear in the Bamboo FlyrodMagazine. The guys there asked what typesof tests they should do on the ferrules. I suggested a few from a users standpoint,how close to stated size, how hard to fitthe male into the female, wall thickness, what percentage nickel, do they crack the thread varnish when installed and in use. Anybody have any other tests they would liketo see? Darryl Hayashida from 3i2i7n3@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu Fri Jun 12 06:29:41 1998 CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU(IBM VM SMTP V2R4) with TCP; Fri, 12 Jun 98 07:29:04 EDT Subject: Re: Travel time Rich, I would estimate about three hours from grayling to the bridge.It's about 150 mi. --Mark At 05:23 PM 6/10/98 -0500, you wrote:Does anyone know how long it takes to get to the Mac bridge fromGrayling?Thinknig of going home that way.Rich Jezioro*________________________________)// Rich Jezioro@ /||/______/_||_________________________________________||/\/ \ > > / \ > Mark M. FreedDepartment of English Language and LiteratureCentral Michigan University from 3i2i7n3@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu Fri Jun 12 06:46:21 1998 CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU(IBM VM SMTP V2R4) with TCP; Fri, 12 Jun 98 07:45:44 EDT Subject: correction to travel time Rich, et. al. My apologies: I hastily over-calculated the travel time fromGrayling to the Bridge by about an hour. Should be about 1.5 hrs. (Irecently moved and have not yet internalized the move.) Sorry for theinaccuracy and any confusion. --MarkMark M. FreedDepartment of English Language and LiteratureCentral Michigan University from WDHCJL@aol.com Fri Jun 12 07:58:06 1998 Subject: Re: Travel time I seem to remember a milage sign on I-75 at Grayling saying 80 miles. Anyway,go to worldpages and you can get exact milage.doug hall from irish-george@worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 12 14:37:49 1998 with ESMTP id +0000 Subject: Re: Travel time Go to http://www.mapquest.com and click on tripquest. You can get exactmileagewith directions and time. George Bourke ----------From: WDHCJL@aol.com Subject: Re: Travel timeDate: Friday, June 12, 1998 5:56 AM I seem to remember a milage sign on I-75 at Grayling saying 80 miles. Anyway,go to worldpages and you can get exact milage.doug hall from MICK@welfen-netz.com Fri Jun 12 15:16:03 1998 [195.143.56.1] with SMTP(MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Fri, 12 Jun 199822:21:05 +0200 Subject: Re: block plane identification I wished I had access to my grandads tools. Anyway take care and tightlinesMichael selez@ibm.net wrote: Michael Mèller wrote: that's the pointMichael SealRite@aol.com wrote: Don't get overly detailed with descriptions & specs. A tool is just atool.It is the hands of the maker that make the difference. I use an oldmodel 65stanley that I inherited from my grandfather and it works perfectly. Keep itsharp. Craig Thanks for the generous input to all on the block plane. I was ableto successfully identify this plane as a 9 1/2, but could nothave done this without your help (all who replied). There certainlyis a huge amount of sentiment in using my grandfather's tools, andmaking them "live" again through another generation. I'm alsofound another 9 1/2, but not as good of condition. In playing withthe several planes I've found with scrap pieces of wood, each has theirown characteristic(even between the two 9 1/2s) and personality. I appreciate all theinsight shared. Sincerely,Bill Seleznoff from richjez@enteract.com Fri Jun 12 16:33:17 1998 0000 (147.126.253.18) Subject: Re: Travel time Thanks to all for the travel info.Rich Jezioro At 12:41 PM 6/12/98 -0700, you wrote:Go to http://www.mapquest.com and click on tripquest. You can get exactmileagewith directions and time. George Bourke ----------From: WDHCJL@aol.com Subject: Re: Travel timeDate: Friday, June 12, 1998 5:56 AM I seem to remember a milage sign on I-75 at Grayling saying 80 miles. Anyway,go to worldpages and you can get exact milage.doug hall *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro @ /||/______/_||_________________________________________|| /\ / \ > > from flyrod@artistree.com Fri Jun 12 18:29:09 1998 QAA26829 Subject: Calling George Maurer? mac-creator="4D4F5353" Does anyone have a current phone number for George Maurer? His 610-756- 6385number is no longer in service. Thanks in advance. Chris Wohlford from gwr@seanet.com Fri Jun 12 19:31:40 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA07926 for; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 Subject: Saracione Planing Forms Hi fellows, This message is, dare I say, strictly commercial. But it's applicableand one of you may appreciate the shot at picking up some good forms,thoughat a pretty penny. A friend of mine is selling off a pair of JoeSaracione's forms and I said I'd try and help him with a bit of publicity.And no, I'm not being paid for my efforts. Here's the little ad heconcocted: adjustment stations on five inch centers. Adjustable with heavy- duty,Garrison style, differential screws. These are massive, high quality,precision forms. Minimal use and, due to their scarcity, a veritablecollector's item. $1200.00, plus shipping & insurance. Three dayinspection. If you are interested please reply off list to gwr@seanet.com . Thanks, Russ from destinycon@mindspring.com Sat Jun 13 09:11:13 1998 Subject: none 1..2..3 from gwbarnes@gwi.net Sat Jun 13 11:56:14 1998 Subject: Re: Calling George Maurer? C.J. Wohlford wrote: Does anyone have a current phone number for George Maurer? His 610-756- 6385number is no longer in service. Thanks in advance. Chris Wohlford George called me last night and left his new number 610-562-8595 from fiveside@net-gate.com Sat Jun 13 15:35:36 1998 (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25751 for ;Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:33:50 Subject: Folsom Rod To the List,Probably an easy question to the historians on our list, but I would liketo know the background of a rod I bought when I was young. It was aFolsom,I thought a cut above the available Montagues, and I spent a lot of mypaper-route money to buy it along with a Medalist and a pair of GoodrichLitentuf hip boots. It fished a worm real well with an enamel line and silkgut leader and later handled flies just fine! Thanks for the help. Bill from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Sat Jun 13 20:42:02 1998 0500 Subject: Thanks to Wayne and Darryl Several months ago Wayne posted several tapers extrapolated from the infamous Sir D Special; his 7'0" 4 weight. The longest ofthose tapers posted was a 7'6" 4 weight. After much trial and error,I finished that rod a few weeks ago (my second). A friend made theoriginal 7 footer. Though I haven't cast them side by side, I havecast both. I really believe you would be hard pressed to tell thedifference.Anyone looking for a first rod, or a taper to use a baseline next rods will be a matched set of two weights based on the sametaper. I am a very poor caster. In fact, I skip the club meetingwhen we have the casting contests. With this rod, I have littletrouble casting close in, or far and fine. I've never learned todouble haul, but I can hit 75' with this one. That's about what I cando with a 9' plastic rod. Not bad at all for a four weight! Now, ifI can just come up with an excuse to slip off and catch a trout or twowith it....All that to say this: My heartfelt thanks to Wayne, whodeveloped this taper, and Darryl who has made it popular through hisconstant praise. After only two rods I'm a long way from a master,but this taper and lots of guidance from you folks (especially Wayne)has made me feel like even a hobbyist can make a good rod. I maynever be a Payne or a Gillum, but I'll keep on making good fishingpoles! Harry Boyd from Domenic1@ix.netcom.com Sat Jun 13 21:20:01 1998 ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) Subject: Re: Folsom Rod Bill,Could have been built by Edwards,or Heddon.Does the writing on the shaft resemble heddon's?If it does,than it is.Domenic CroceCroce Rod Co.----- Original Message----- Subject: Folsom Rod To the List,Probably an easy question to the historians on our list, but I would liketo know the background of a rod I bought when I was young. It was aFolsom,I thought a cut above the available Montagues, and I spent a lot of mypaper-route money to buy it along with a Medalist and a pair of GoodrichLitentuf hip boots. It fished a worm real well with an enamel line andsilkgut leader and later handled flies just fine! Thanks for the help. Bill from Domenic1@ix.netcom.com Sat Jun 13 21:20:04 1998 ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) Subject: Fw: Folsom Rod -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Folsom Rod Bill,Could have been built by Edwards,or Heddon.Does the writing on the shaft resemble heddon's?If it does,than it is.Domenic CroceCroce Rod Co.----- Original Message-----From: Bill Fink Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 4:39 PMSubject: Folsom Rod To the List,Probably an easy question to the historians on our list, but I wouldliketo know the background of a rod I bought when I was young. It was aFolsom,I thought a cut above the available Montagues, and I spent a lot of mypaper-route money to buy it along with a Medalist and a pair of GoodrichLitentuf hip boots. It fished a worm real well with an enamel line andsilkgut leader and later handled flies just fine! Thanks for the help. Bill from channer@hubwest.com Sat Jun 13 23:28:35 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A1DA77400C0; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:30:18 MDT Subject: Re: Thanks to Wayne and Darryl At 08:39 PM 6/13/98 -0500, you wrote:Several months ago Wayne posted several tapers extrapolated from the infamous Sir D Special; his 7'0" 4 weight. The longest ofthose tapers posted was a 7'6" 4 weight. After much trial and error,I finished that rod a few weeks ago (my second). A friend made theoriginal 7 footer. Though I haven't cast them side by side, I havecast both. I really believe you would be hard pressed to tell thedifference.Anyone looking for a first rod, or a taper to use a baseline next rods will be a matched set of two weights based on the sametaper. I am a very poor caster. In fact, I skip the club meetingwhen we have the casting contests. With this rod, I have littletrouble casting close in, or far and fine. I've never learned todouble haul, but I can hit 75' with this one. That's about what I cando with a 9' plastic rod. Not bad at all for a four weight! Now, ifI can just come up with an excuse to slip off and catch a trout or twowith it....All that to say this: My heartfelt thanks to Wayne, whodeveloped this taper, and Darryl who has made it popular through hisconstant praise. After only two rods I'm a long way from a master,but this taper and lots of guidance from you folks (especially Wayne)has made me feel like even a hobbyist can make a good rod. I maynever be a Payne or a Gillum, but I'll keep on making good fishingpoles! Harry Boyd Harry;Is this the same 7'6" 4 wt. taper in Waynes book? If not, could you tell mewhen it was posted or possibly post it again, I seem to have missed it thelast time it was on list. I built a 6'3" Paul Young Midge that I feel thesame way about, but it's a little short for the San Juan, a 7'6" would be alot better. Thanks.John Channer from jfoster@gte.net Sun Jun 14 00:00:01 1998 Subject: Re: Incorrect Publisher listed for "Fine Bamboo Fly Rod" mac-creator="4D4F5353" Mr Kirkfield, all I have corrected the error in the date ad publisher of your book, sorry "The Fine Bamboo Fly Rod, a Master's Secrets ofRestoration and Repair"regards Jerry from flyrod@artistree.com Sun Jun 14 04:26:37 1998 CAA00808 Subject: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules mac-creator="4D4F5353" Was reading John Alden Knight's "Field Book of Fresh Water Angling" and hestates the following: "In the wrapping of serrations at the end of the ferrules with aprotective coating of thread, the better practice is to have the windingstop exactly where the wood meats the metal. If this is not done and thewinding is carried down over the wood, sooner or later the varnish-coatedthread will crack where the wood and ferrule meet, leaving a vulnerablespot in the waterproof armor of varnish. This means that moisture canenter and rot the wood." Best Regards,Chris Wohlford from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Sun Jun 14 07:26:17 1998 0500 Subject: Thanks to Wayne and Darryl E6EE95B97B4EFBC7925708B6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format.-------------- E6EE95B97B4EFBC7925708B6 John,I've forwarded Wayne's original post. I feel sure Wayne will notmind. His attitude seems to be one of genuine delight in helpingother rodmakers. I hope this helps you find a rod as enjoyable asyour Young Midge.Harry --------------E6EE95B97B4EFBC7925708B6 (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Subject: The Sir D Series The following is a work up of a series of tapers based on the 7' Sir Dfavorite. I have stretched the stress graph to develope a 7' 6" and shortedit to accomodate a 6' 3" after the curves were developed they were ranthrough Hexrod to create dimensions for #2 - #3 - #4 weight rods in both2 &3 piece rods. The stress curves are as follows: 65" action length tip - 452505 - 21195010 - 27175015 - 21887520 - 17287525 - 15915030 - 14725035 - 12692540 - 11040045 - 12130050 - 13490055 - 11727560 - 11687565 - 101050 80" action lengthtip - 452505 - 21195010 - 271750 15 - 21887520 - 17287525 - 16345030 - 15250035 - 14700040 - 14265045 - 12692550 - 11040055 - 12130060 - 13490065 - 11772570 - 11727575 - 11687580 - 101050 To maintain the full character the peaks and valleys were moved totheclosest 5" increment that is why several stress values are the same. 6' 3" #2 tip -.054 .05405 .056 .05610 .066 .06615 .083 .08320 .101 .10125 .114 .11430 .126 .12835 .143 .14740 .162 .16545 .170 .17250 .176 .17755 .197 .19860 .210 .21265 .233 .23670 .233 .23675 .233 .236 6' 3" #3 tip .061 .06105 .063 .06310 .074 .07415 .092 .09220 .112 .11225 .126 .12630 .139 .14135 .157 .16140 .178 .18245 .186 .18850 .192 .19355 .214 .21660 .228 .23065 .253 .25670 .253 .25675 .253 .256 6' 3" #4 tip .066 .06605 .068 .06810 .080 .08015 .099 .09920 .120 .12025 .135 .13530 .149 .15235 .168 .17240 .189 .19445 .198 .20050 .204 .20655 .227 .23060 .241 .24565 .267 .27270 .267 .27275 .267 .272 7' 6" #2 tip .054 .05405 .056 .05610 .066 .06615 .083 .08320 .101 .10125 .113 .11330 .125 .12535 .136 .13840 .147 .15045 .164 .16750 .185 .18755 .192 .19360 .196 .19765 .219 .21970 .232 .23375 .245 .24780 .271 .27385 .271 .27390 .271 .273 7' 6" #3 tip .061 .06105 .063 .06310 .074 .07415 .092 .09220 .112 .11225 .124 .12430 .138 .13835 .150 .15240 .162 .16545 .179 .18350 .202 .20455 .209 .21060 .214 .21565 .237 .23870 .251 .25375 .264 .26780 .291 .29585 .291 .29590 .291 .295 7' 6" #4tip .066 .06605 .068 .06810 .080 .08015 .099 .09920 .119 .11925 .133 .13330 .148 .14835 .160 .16240 .172 .17545 .190 .19550 .214 .21755 .221 .22360 .226 .22765 .251 .25270 .265 .26775 .279 .28180 .307 .31085 .307 .31090 .307 .310 The narrowness between the 2 and 3 piece dimensions reflect some finetuning I have done on the ferrule weights that I am using.What will perhaps shock a few - I have never fished the 7' #4. I madeone,I have lawn cast a couple and I was going to fish it. But as we weresuitingup at the Broomhead Bridge on the N. Branch of the Boardman I set the rodcase on top of my Jimmy. The horror was when the rod case fell off theroof.Falling into pure sand the rod case split in half and took the rod with it.Never use highly burled walnut in a wooden rod case. Ron glued the case -itbroke in two again as I lifted it up. The rod was beyond repair - Ron justshrugged his shoulders - not responsible. --------------E6EE95B97B4EFBC7925708B6-- from channer@hubwest.com Sun Jun 14 08:52:46 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A6183D90104; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:54:32 MDT Subject: thanks Wayne and Darryl(and Harry) Hi Harry:Thanks alot for posting that again; no wonder I missed it, I didn't getback online until after Christmas. I can never seem to get a full month ofthe most recent archives to download before my computer crashes, sothereis quite a bit I have missed since last summer. Thanks again.John Channer from cbogart@shentel.net Sun Jun 14 08:53:08 1998 head.globalcom.net(8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA08559; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:53:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules ChrisThink about what is written - it doesn't solve the problem. If the ferrule is not mounted properly and it would crack the thread - it willalso enhancethe separation between the wrap up to the ferrule also. I don't buy thissolution.It treats the symptoms not the cause of the problem. First not all ferrules will have this problem if mounted properly. Mypersonal rodwhich probably ranks up there with one of the most used and abused rodsonthe list does not have this problem. There are several others out therethat seemto survive this just fine. So I would not take this as a fact of life. I feather my ferrule tabs like Wayne does - but I mount them on theedges of the flat rather than center (my reasons). I will not get into thegluecontroversy but I use Devcon 5 ton thick epoxy gel. With a good fit itseems to work. The thread on this particular rod is 3/0 silk. Regards Chris On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:31:50 -0800, C.J. Wohlford wrote: Was reading John Alden Knight's "Field Book of Fresh Water Angling" andhestates the following: "In the wrapping of serrations at the end of the ferrules with aprotective coating of thread, the better practice is to have the windingstop exactly where the wood meats the metal. If this is not done and thewinding is carried down over the wood, sooner or later the varnish-coatedthread will crack where the wood and ferrule meet, leaving a vulnerablespot in the waterproof armor of varnish. This means that moisture canenter and rot the wood." Best Regards,Chris Wohlford from rcurry@top.monad.net Sun Jun 14 10:04:34 1998 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules I don't know that there is any resolution to this problem, I've seen iton rods by some of the best makers. Perhaps it is enhanced by the taper,the type of varnish, the age of varnish, the relative humidity, hot sun(heating metal more than wood), rod-loading, etc. One approach that seems to prevent this from manifesting itself is adouble wrap at the ferrule. Maybe, this provides a "sleeve" for theinner wrap to move without breaking the varnish.Best regards,Reed from cbogart@shentel.net Sun Jun 14 11:30:04 1998 head.globalcom.net(8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA03358; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:30:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules ReedI agree with your assessment. But I think the problem starts firstwith thefit - then all the other factors come into play. There are a number ofthings andtricks that will allow you to "mitigate" the problem. I seen rods - basically brandnew and first time fished develop this problem. Then others never crack -sametaper. It seems in building rods - each one seem to have their own littlequirksduring building that you end up fussing with - maybe you just don't getthat real good fit for whatever reason. It is that movement that will cause youproblemsin the long run. While others seem to fit just right but isn't just asstraight - justcannot get that perfect rod where everything is just right. Chris On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:56:58 -0400, Reed F. Curry wrote: I don't know that there is any resolution to this problem, I've seen iton rods by some of the best makers. Perhaps it is enhanced by the taper,the type of varnish, the age of varnish, the relative humidity, hot sun(heating metal more than wood), rod-loading, etc. One approach that seems to prevent this from manifesting itself is adouble wrap at the ferrule. Maybe, this provides a "sleeve" for theinner wrap to move without breaking the varnish.Best regards,Reed from cbogart@shentel.net Sun Jun 14 11:43:08 1998 head.globalcom.net(8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA05389; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:43:09 -0400 Subject: Poll - cracked wraps at ferrules Chris / Reed Just thought it might be a good idea of how bad a problem this iswith todays rods.Are rodmakers having a gross problem, sometimes problem, or littleproblem preventingthis from happening. Of course, by the time my rods are twenty years old I could be deadand gone arereally it will be too late to correct the problem. But really a rod shouldnot crack the wrapswithin the first year of use - this should be a good yardstick to measurethe problem by - sincewe cannot wait 30-50 years which is the age of many rods I end uprepairing - unless it isone of Reed's 100 year old classics! Chris from flyrod@artistree.com Sun Jun 14 13:59:34 1998 LAA28437 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules mac-creator="4D4F5353" Chris,I agree. I haven't had any problems with the way I do my ferrules stationseither. I also feelthat the varnish I use might have something to do with it. I was justpassing on a little info from an author who has personally known and hung around some veryprominentrodmakers/designers of the past. He also had a few other things to say such as: 1) He doesn't like flaming. Says it causes uneven temperament of the cane.2) Seems to have something negative to say about each type of taperexcept, of course, theparabolic.3) He doesn't like the "dipping" method. Says 5 thin coats of brushed onvarnish provides abetter protection (higher quality) then 2 thick coats dipped. I have to admit I wasn't expecting these type of statements and foundthem kind ofinteresting. Best Regards,Chris Wohlford Chris Bogart wrote: ChrisThink about what is written - it doesn't solve the problem. If theferrule is not mounted properly and it would crack the thread - it willalso enhancethe separation between the wrap up to the ferrule also. I don't buy thissolution.It treats the symptoms not the cause of the problem. First not all ferrules will have this problem if mounted properly. Mypersonal rodwhich probably ranks up there with one of the most used and abused rodsonthe list does not have this problem. There are several others out therethat seemto survive this just fine. So I would not take this as a fact of life. I feather my ferrule tabs like Wayne does - but I mount them on theedges of the flat rather than center (my reasons). I will not get into thegluecontroversy but I use Devcon 5 ton thick epoxy gel. With a good fit itseemsto work. The thread on this particular rod is 3/0 silk. Regards Chris On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:31:50 -0800, C.J. Wohlford wrote: Was reading John Alden Knight's "Field Book of Fresh Water Angling" andhestates the following: "In the wrapping of serrations at the end of the ferrules with aprotective coating of thread, the better practice is to have the windingstop exactly where the wood meats the metal. If this is not done andthewinding is carried down over the wood, sooner or later the varnish-coatedthread will crack where the wood and ferrule meet, leaving a vulnerablespot in the waterproof armor of varnish. This means that moisture canenter and rot the wood." Best Regards,Chris Wohlford from WayneCatt@aol.com Sun Jun 14 14:20:28 1998 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules from experience this I term as a 'casting fracture' - a ring of fracturedvarnish that encircles the rod section. This haunted me for a couple ofyearsbut today there are a couple of ways that the occurance an be reduced.A machinist friend once told me that when machining alunimum thatyou canneder leave abrupt dropoffs - the material will fracture at these points -Iapplied that to the bamboo ferrule transition - Today I crown the ferruletabs- that is sand the tabs flat wise until the normal square tab look the tabends will actually curve to a point - then flatwise the tabs are alsosandedto gradually blend into nothingness at the points as well. This adds flexureto the ferrule tabs vs the abrupt dropoff if used uncrowned.Additionally when the ferrules are glued on I try to keep the rod sectionin a position so that the glue will sag to fill the void between bamboo andthe ferrule - keep the bamboo end up at all times - wrapping down theferruletabe- in storage as the glue cures the rod section is leaned with thebambooupright - ferrule down.Lastly - Mr Garrison used a thicker threaqd for wrapping the ferruletabs - an a size - the normal for guides is oo. personally I don't do this butit could be.Having started using these ideas several years ago I have seen adramaticdifference in the occurrance of casting fractures - you might give these a try. Another thing:The question has come up about reposting or sharing - writings - tapers-others - that has been posted to the Rodmakers list group - My personalfeeling is that the thoughts - ideas -tapers - are up for common use andcanbe reshared by those wanting to - later these same thoughts - ideas - tapersmay appear in other media but there is no concern on my part as any'copyright' concerns - Finally Because of the many requests to be included in the ferrule order bythosenot attending Grayrock 98 - Your request can be added to the order - figureferrule costs at $ 25 for 2 male sets - $ 20 for 1 male sets - then add acouple of bucks to each order for postage - Ferrule requests need to be inby6-20 and will be shipped around 7-1 (needing time to return and recoverfromGrayrock) - ALSO - be sure to include an address for the post office todeliver the ferrules to. Payment can be made after recieving your orders.-However I can not accept VISA.FYI - for those wanting to place large orders - I would suggest that youmight contact Bailey Wood Directly - his pricing policy is that you recievea40 % discount on orders that are over $500 list price - about $300 net. Jack Pine Rodmaker (Poster) ackward positions (there is an honest explanation) - anyhow - the photohasmade its way to a poster identifying myself as ' Jack Pine Rodmaker' - itis ahumorous photo - I have always said that folks need to laugh atthemselves aswell - this was all done in a very good natured way. In the short time thatthe poster has existed there have been numerous requests to get one - itmayeven be seen in an upcoming issue of The Bamboo Fly Rod mag - Great HUH- Soin good spirit of this the (con) artist Chuck Curro and I have come up withthe idea of making the poster available in it's original size for a small fee($15) - the thought is to have a limited edition of 100 posters signed bythe(con) artist - with proceeds above the cost of printing going to the GeorgeMason TU chapter for their work around the Grayrock area. They will beavailable at Grayrock or e-mail. I'm sure that when you see the poster youwill sigh with relief that it wasn't yourself in the picture - from WayneCatt@aol.com Sun Jun 14 15:03:45 1998 Subject: Jack Pine Rodmaker boundary="part0_897854591_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_897854591_boundary channer@hubwest.com Sun Jun 14 16:11:06 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ACD472A00C8; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:12:52 MDT Subject: Re: Poll - cracked wraps at ferrules At 12:39 PM 6/14/98 -0400, you wrote:Chris / Reed Just thought it might be a good idea of how bad a problem this iswithtodays rods.Are rodmakers having a gross problem, sometimes problem, or littleproblempreventingthis from happening. Of course, by the time my rods are twenty years old I could be deadandgone arereally it will be too late to correct the problem. But really a rod shouldnot crack the wrapswithin the first year of use - this should be a good yardstick to measurethe problem by - sincewe cannot wait 30-50 years which is the age of many rods I end uprepairing - unless it isone of Reed's 100 year old classics! Chris Chris;I just had the first rod I sold come back to me because one of the tipferrules pulled off(Devcon, I used Accraglas gel this time, hope it neverhappens again.) The other ferrules were tight, but I re-glued themanyway.However, all three wraps at the ferrules were cracked, as are theferrule wraps on the two rods I have built for myself. I have re-finished 4old rods of my own, using laquer color preserver, and not only the ferrulewraps crack, but so have several guide wraps on each rod. My new rods Iusepoly on the wraps first, then dip 2 coats of spar varnish, waiting 3or 4days between coats. Am I doing something wrong, or is this a combinationofthe very likely and bad luck. I feather the tabs down almost, but not quitesharp and fold them over the corners. Any advise will be most appreciated,I would rather not have to tell a customer to expect a flaw to develop inhis rod if I can remedy this situation. Thanks Very Much.John Channer from cbogart@shentel.net Sun Jun 14 18:15:40 1998 head.globalcom.net(8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA09792; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:15:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules ChrisIt is funny when you look back at comments in time - especially whena lotof rodmakers did not share info. The only shame in the statements is thatthere is noneof the varnishes still around that would really be great for brushing - Iwould never recommend two thick coats either - maybe that is why the varnishcracked. Chris PS - did he have anything nice to say about nodes? On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:04:48 -0800, C.J. Wohlford wrote: Chris,I agree. I haven't had any problems with the way I do my ferrules stationseither. I also feelthat the varnish I use might have something to do with it. I was justpassing on a little info from an author who has personally known and hung around some veryprominentrodmakers/designers of the past. He also had a few other things to say such as: 1) He doesn't like flaming. Says it causes uneven temperament of thecane.2) Seems to have something negative to say about each type of taperexcept, of course, theparabolic.3) He doesn't like the "dipping" method. Says 5 thin coats of brushed onvarnish provides abetter protection (higher quality) then 2 thick coats dipped. I have to admit I wasn't expecting these type of statements and foundthem kind ofinteresting. Best Regards,Chris Wohlford Chris Bogart wrote: ChrisThink about what is written - it doesn't solve the problem. If theferrule is not mounted properly and it would crack the thread - it willalso enhancethe separation between the wrap up to the ferrule also. I don't buy thissolution.It treats the symptoms not the cause of the problem. First not all ferrules will have this problem if mounted properly.My personal rodwhich probably ranks up there with one of the most used and abusedrods onthe list does not have this problem. There are several others out therethat seemto survive this just fine. So I would not take this as a fact of life. I feather my ferrule tabs like Wayne does - but I mount them ontheedges of the flat rather than center (my reasons). I will not get into thegluecontroversy but I use Devcon 5 ton thick epoxy gel. With a good fit itseemsto work. The thread on this particular rod is 3/0 silk. Regards Chris On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:31:50 -0800, C.J. Wohlford wrote: Was reading John Alden Knight's "Field Book of Fresh Water Angling"and hestates the following: "In the wrapping of serrations at the end of the ferrules with aprotective coating of thread, the better practice is to have the windingstop exactly where the wood meats the metal. If this is not done andthewinding is carried down over the wood, sooner or later the varnish-coatedthread will crack where the wood and ferrule meet, leaving avulnerablespot in the waterproof armor of varnish. This means that moisture canenter and rot the wood." Best Regards,Chris Wohlford from cbogart@shentel.net Sun Jun 14 18:25:12 1998 head.globalcom.net(8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA11436; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:25:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Poll - cracked wraps at ferrules JohnWayne's advise on this is sound - if you believe it coming from a JackPineSavage Rodmaker - of course that is a term some hold in esteem -remember this is Michigan we are talking about. I have seen one other nice trick to ease the transition from ferrule tocaneput a wrap of masking tape about 1/8" in front of the ferrule and then fillthe gap with clearepoxy and then gently remove the masking tape as the rod is turning inyour rod turner. It will form a nice smooth transition. Then wrap over everything. Chris On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:06:33, john channer wrote: At 12:39 PM 6/14/98 -0400, you wrote:Chris / Reed Just thought it might be a good idea of how bad a problem this iswithtodays rods.Are rodmakers having a gross problem, sometimes problem, or littleproblempreventingthis from happening. Of course, by the time my rods are twenty years old I could be deadandgone arereally it will be too late to correct the problem. But really a rod shouldnot crack the wrapswithin the first year of use - this should be a good yardstick to measurethe problem by - sincewe cannot wait 30-50 years which is the age of many rods I end uprepairing - unless it isone of Reed's 100 year old classics! Chris Chris;I just had the first rod I sold come back to me because one of the tipferrules pulled off(Devcon, I used Accraglas gel this time, hope it neverhappens again.) The other ferrules were tight, but I re-glued themanyway.However, all three wraps at the ferrules were cracked, as are theferrule wraps on the two rods I have built for myself. I have re- finished4old rods of my own, using laquer color preserver, and not only the ferrulewraps crack, but so have several guide wraps on each rod. My new rods Iusepoly on the wraps first, then dip 2 coats of spar varnish, waiting 3or 4days between coats. Am I doing something wrong, or is this a combinationofthe very likely and bad luck. I feather the tabs down almost, but not quitesharp and fold them over the corners. Any advise will be mostappreciated,I would rather not have to tell a customer to expect a flaw to develop inhis rod if I can remedy this situation. Thanks Very Much.John Channer from jwilcox@netsync.net Sun Jun 14 19:15:46 1998 quartz.netsync.net(8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA05817 for ;Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:15:43-0400 Subject: darryl's c-clamp splitting method boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01BD97D1.1D48A0E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BD97D1.1D48A0E0 guys, i was browsing through the archives and came across brian creek's =reference to darryl's c-clamp splitting method. does anyone know =exactly which month of the archives i should go to to read about =darryl's method? also i just finished the blank for a leonard model 39h =7' 6" 4wt. however i converted it to a 3 pc. does anyone have some =recommendations for guide placements. i have a placement pattern that i=used on another 7' 6" rod, but i'm open to suggestions for a comparison =to what i already have. many thanks! jim wilcox, fredonia,new york ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BD97D1.1D48A0E0 guys,i = through the archives and came across brian creek's reference to darryl's = have a placement pattern that i used on another 7' 6" rod, but i'm = jim wilcox, fredonia,new york ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BD97D1.1D48A0E0-- from rcurry@top.monad.net Sun Jun 14 19:37:50 1998 Subject: Note About Nodeless Chris,According to A.J. Campbell's book, the oldest rod in the AmericanMuseum of FF with a split cane tip used nodeless construction.So, what's new?Best regards,Reed from channer@hubwest.com Sun Jun 14 20:56:35 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AFBE66100D6; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:58:22 MDT Subject: Re: Poll - cracked wraps at ferrules At 07:21 PM 6/14/98 -0400, you wrote:JohnWayne's advise on this is sound - if you believe it coming from aJack PineSavage Rodmaker - of course that is a term some hold in esteem -rememberthis is Michigan we are talking about. I have seen one other nice trick to ease the transition from ferruleto caneput a wrap of masking tape about 1/8" in front of the ferrule and thenfill the gap with clearepoxy and then gently remove the masking tape as the rod is turning inyour rod turner. It will form a nice smooth transition. Then wrap over everything. Chris Chris;This sounds like a neat trick, I'll give it a try, I have the ferrules onthis rod re-glued, but I haven't wrapped them yet. I am waiting for thedoctors to take the splint off my right hand so I can do a good job on thewraps. It was fun trying to get the ferrules off with one hand and threefingers. BTW, don't drop large beams on your right hand, it reallyinterfers with rodmaking and fishing, not to mention making aliving.Thanks John Channer from Nodewrrior@aol.com Sun Jun 14 21:29:33 1998 Subject: Taper help(!) Gentlemen,I just got a request to make an 8'6" 5/6 weight in a TWO piece.Does anybody out there have a taper that they'd be able to share?Anxiously... Rob Hoffhines from ragnarig@integrityol.com Sun Jun 14 21:51:33 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id AE053B8013C; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:59:17 PDT Subject: Re: darryl's c-clamp splitting method boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01BD97CF.8F73D740" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BD97CF.8F73D740 i just finished the blank for a leonard model 39h 7' 6" 4wt. =however i converted it to a 3 pc. does anyone have some recommendations= 7' 6" rod, but i'm open to suggestions for a comparison to what i =already have. many thanks! jim wilcox, fredonia,new york Dear Jim A good starting point would be the guide spacings for the 7ft 6in =F.E. Thomas taper listed in the archives. You seem to have little option with a three-piece; the stripper =almost has to go right up against the butt ferrule, and a snake will =usually need to go in the same position at the top of the mid. If =anything, the Leonard will possibly want its guides a little more =closely grouped in the tip section. As always, it's a good idea to wrap them on with masking tape and =flex the rod to see if any guides aren't touching the line, and then =cast it for a while just to make sure. I'm not familiar with this taper =but I'd guess that the Thomas spacings would work fine. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BD97CF.8F73D740 ijust = 6" rod, but i'm open to suggestions for a comparison to what i = york Jim Agood = point would be the guide spacings for the 7ft 6in F.E. Thomas taper = in the archives. You= up against the butt ferrule, and a snake will usually need to go in = section. As= good idea to wrap them on with masking tape and flex the rod to see = guides aren't touching the line, and then cast it for a while just = spacings would work fine. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BD97CF.8F73D740-- from jczimny@dol.net Sun Jun 14 22:59:40 1998 Subject: Re: Note About Nodeless No! Say it is not so! Maybe the old timers handled their nodes so well thatone simply could not discern them.John Zimny Reed F. Curry wrote: Chris,According to A.J. Campbell's book, the oldest rod in the AmericanMuseum of FF with a split cane tip used nodeless construction.So, what's new?Best regards,Reed from cattanac@wmis.net Mon Jun 15 00:30:47 1998 t2.wmis.net (8.8.5/SCO5) with SMTP 05:36:54 GMT Subject: Re: Note About Nodeless Gee - I wonder if any of the older noded makers ever got a box of nodes bypony express???????? from flyrod@artistree.com Mon Jun 15 01:45:11 1998 XAA09454 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules mac-creator="4D4F5353" Chris,Not really, just that "...the leaf marks or nodes in the bamboo present aproblem. These spotsarethe weakest part of the cane, and two of them should not be placed next toeach other."...hey...wait a minute....are you playing me for a patsy here??? :) Chris "They'll bury me with my nodes on" Wohlford Chris Bogart wrote: ChrisIt is funny when you look back at comments in time - especiallywhen a lotof rodmakers did not share info. The only shame in the statements isthat there is noneof the varnishes still around that would really be great for brushing - Iwould neverrecommend two thick coats either - maybe that is why the varnishcracked. Chris PS - did he have anything nice to say about nodes? On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:04:48 -0800, C.J. Wohlford wrote: Chris,I agree. I haven't had any problems with the way I do my ferrulesstations either. I alsofeelthat the varnish I use might have something to do with it. I was justpassing on a littleinfo from an author who has personally known and hung around some veryprominentrodmakers/designers of the past. He also had a few other things to say such as: 1) He doesn't like flaming. Says it causes uneven temperament of thecane.2) Seems to have something negative to say about each type of taperexcept, of course, theparabolic.3) He doesn't like the "dipping" method. Says 5 thin coats of brushed onvarnish provides abetter protection (higher quality) then 2 thick coats dipped. I have to admit I wasn't expecting these type of statements and foundthem kind ofinteresting. Best Regards,Chris Wohlford Chris Bogart wrote: ChrisThink about what is written - it doesn't solve the problem. If theferrule is not mounted properly and it would crack the thread - it willalso enhancethe separation between the wrap up to the ferrule also. I don't buy thissolution.It treats the symptoms not the cause of the problem. First not all ferrules will have this problem if mounted properly.My personal rodwhich probably ranks up there with one of the most used and abusedrods onthe list does not have this problem. There are several others out therethat seemto survive this just fine. So I would not take this as a fact of life. I feather my ferrule tabs like Wayne does - but I mount them ontheedges of the flat rather than center (my reasons). I will not get intothe gluecontroversy but I use Devcon 5 ton thick epoxy gel. With a good fit itseemsto work. The thread on this particular rod is 3/0 silk. Regards Chris On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:31:50 -0800, C.J. Wohlford wrote: Was reading John Alden Knight's "Field Book of Fresh Water Angling"and hestates the following: "In the wrapping of serrations at the end of the ferrules with aprotective coating of thread, the better practice is to have thewindingstop exactly where the wood meats the metal. If this is not done andthewinding is carried down over the wood, sooner or later the varnish-coatedthread will crack where the wood and ferrule meet, leaving avulnerablespot in the waterproof armor of varnish. This means that moisturecanenter and rot the wood." Best Regards,Chris Wohlford from SalarFly@aol.com Mon Jun 15 02:15:35 1998 Subject: Re: Poll - cracked wraps at ferrules I've never had a two piece rod develop cracked wraps at the ferrule,but I have had 2 three piece rods develop cracks at the lower wrapof the lower ferrule. I have seen quite a few old Orvis rods at the Bamboo Flyrod Magoffice, and every single one of them has cracked wraps at theferrule. Both 2 piece and three piece. Some of the other brands of rods also have cracked wraps, butthe occurrence seems to be random - except for Orvis. Darryl from SalarFly@aol.com Mon Jun 15 02:40:14 1998 Subject: Re: Thanks to Wayne and Darryl I've posted this before, it's a true story about this taper. My Dad is a poor caster. I've tried and tried to help him improve hiscasting (not that I'm a great caster myself...), but I gave up tryingto help him. I told him to improve his wading skills so he could getwithin 30' of the fish, bacause he would never get his fly to a fishoutside that range. I just happened to pick this taper out of Wayne's book when my Dadrequested that I make him a 7' 4 DT. When it was finished and I testcasted it I was amazed how well it casts. When I gave it to my Dad,I thought I would have to help him for a couple hours to get him tocast to 30' again. He picked up the rod, two false casts, and 50'of line went zinging out first cast. He can get it out in the 65 to 70' range with no problem now. My whole family went fishing once, my wife watched my Dad for awhile, and said "Looks like he's been practicing. His casts are sosmooth now." I told her, "No, it's the rod I made him." She said,"Yeah, right." Oh well, she keeps me honest. This is also the same taper that Jamie Lyle from Sage cast to90' when he tried it out at a flyfishing show in Long Beach CA. Darryl from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Mon Jun 15 07:30:17 1998 post.interalpha.net(8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA25505 for ;Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:32:31+0100 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules At 15:19 14/06/98 EDT, you wrote: from experience this I term as a 'casting fracture' - a ring offracturedvarnish that encircles the rod section. This haunted me for a couple ofyearsbut today there are a couple of ways that the occurance an be reduced.A machinist friend once told me that when machining alunimum thatyou canneder leave abrupt dropoffs - the material will fracture at these points -Iapplied that to the bamboo ferrule transition - Today I crown the ferruletabs- that is sand the tabs flat wise until the normal square tab look the tabends will actually curve to a point - then flatwise the tabs are alsosandedto gradually blend into nothingness at the points as well. This addsflexureto the ferrule tabs vs the abrupt dropoff if used uncrowned.Additionally when the ferrules are glued on I try to keep the rodsectionin a position so that the glue will sag to fill the void between bamboo andthe ferrule - keep the bamboo end up at all times - wrapping down theferruletabe- in storage as the glue cures the rod section is leaned with thebambooupright - ferrule down.Lastly - Mr Garrison used a thicker threaqd for wrapping the ferruletabs - an a size - the normal for guides is oo. personally I don't do thisbutit could be.Having started using these ideas several years ago I have seen adramaticdifference in the occurrance of casting fractures - you might give these a try. The double wrapping method works for me. The (many) rods that havearrivedin my workshop with cracks as described, have not re-offended after thistreatment. I make one small change from the normal twice over, up and downoverwrapmethod. I start with 1/8" on the shaft wrap up over the serrations to theshoulder, then wrap straight back down, but ONLY TO THE END OF THESERRATIONS. Seems to work for me. John Cooper (England) from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Mon Jun 15 07:30:27 1998 post.interalpha.net(8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA25522 for ;Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:32:44+0100 Subject: Re: Bevellers Davy, Christian, and others. This Grantham beveller is really the 'cat's whiskers'. I think it'll beabout $6,000, so it will probably be too expensive for operations smallerthan Hardy's, Winston or Orvis. Having said that, I would think the otherprofessional machines out there would now cost two or three times asmuch.I've seen the old Sharpes of Aberdeen beveller (now at Scottie rods inLondon) and I wouldn't think you'd get much change out of $15,000/$20,000 hobby machine. It will spit out super-accurate splines all day, every day.It roughs AND tapers. I think if I were making a supplementary income from twenty rods a yearI'dgo for the Morgan (I want one myself). If I wanted to make a living fromrodmaking, I'd plump for the Grantham, and would expect it to pay for itselfpretty quicky. Bear in mind too, it would retain its value pretty well. I just don't have the answers to all the technical queries. As it has comeup a couple of times I have at least got the answer from Barry that thehighspeed cutter feed will be power driven on a lathe type leadscrew within/outhalf-nut on a lever. Feed will be approx. 3"/ sec. I gather that it issimilar in some respects to the system Hardy's used for their famousPalakona split bamboo. Barry is a friend of mine. We've fished together happily, and spoken forhours about life in general. BUT, I have to say (sorry Barry) he'sstaggeringly unreliable. He's a lovely man, and he doesn't mean to let folksdown, he just has things going on in his life. So, you need to understandwhat you're dealing with. His work is PERFECT. You can write to Barry directly as follows: Barry Grantham7 Brant Road,Lincoln,LN5 8RLEngland or you can fax him on: (International Code 44) 01522.535500 Best to all, John Cooper (England) from gwr@seanet.com Mon Jun 15 09:32:53 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15210 for; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 Subject: Greenheart Hi, I was wondering if anyone has, or could suggest a source for, greenheartdowels or turning stock. I must replace a section on an old rod and need tolocate a piece of greenheart that is 3/8" dia. x 30" long. Larger than thatis fine. If you have a piece, please contact me off list at gwr@seanet.comto arrange a sale or trade. Thanks in advance for the assistance. Russ from cmj@post11.tele.dk Mon Jun 15 09:38:10 1998 (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA10550 +0200 Subject: Sv: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules John Cooper wrote from DBURRILL@TELEHUB.com Mon Jun 15 10:52:00 1998 Subject: Hardy Casting Rod boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BD9875.68484CEA" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does notunderstandthis format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD9875.68484CEA Gang,My parents just returned from an extended trip in England. As agift they brought me a Hardy split bamboo casting. It's marked 'TheHardy Wanlass | 9/10 lb| Palakona Regd Trademark' The serial number onthe but cap is E78447. Anyone out there have an old catalog or book that can date this late 1920's or early 1930's. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD9875.68484CEA Hardy Casting Rod Gang, grip I'm guessing late 1920's or early 1930's. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD9875.68484CEA-- from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Mon Jun 15 10:54:52 1998 post.interalpha.net(8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA02529 for ;Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:57:12+0100 Subject: Re: Sv: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules At 16:37 15/06/98 +0200, you wrote:John Cooper wrote John Just to please an ignorant Dane: Please confirm, that the straight backwrap DO NOT go beyond the end of the ferrule. If so I dont get it. Why doesit work? regards Carsten Don't know exactly why it works. I copied the method from an old Farlowsrod: although even that may have been re-wrapped at some time in thedistantpast. The early step down saves having a large double thread thicknessstepping down to the rod shaft, so it looks less bulky. Also, if doing acomplete over wrap, it's quite difficult to persude the final few turns ofthe second layer to match exactly the first layer of turns. As I said, itseems to work, but it seems a good idea to taper and feather also. That layer of epoxy idea posted earlier sounds excellent. I'm going to trythat. Does anyone have a favourite two-pack that they use? I'm using Gudebrodstandard, which thanks to Sir Darryl (praise his name) works OK. I find ittakes hours to go off properly, although it's not a problem, if the rod'sleft on a turner. But I can only do one rod section per evening. Someonesaid recently that Flexcoat is better. Any advice? Try it. John Cooper (England) from jcole10@juno.com Mon Jun 15 11:30:14 1998 12:27:58 EDT Subject: Re: Thanks to Wayne and Darryl Darryl What page of Wayne's? I cannot find a 7-4 in my book. John Cole On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 03:39:16 EDT SalarFly@aol.com writes: I've posted this before, it's a true story about this taper. My Dad is a poor caster. I've tried and tried to help him improve hiscasting (not that I'm a great caster myself...), but I gave up tryingto help him. I told him to improve his wading skills so he could getwithin 30' of the fish, bacause he would never get his fly to a fishoutside that range. I just happened to pick this taper out of Wayne's book when my Dadrequested that I make him a 7' 4 DT. When it was finished and I testcasted it I was amazed how well it casts. When I gave it to my Dad,I thought I would have to help him for a couple hours to get him tocast to 30' again. He picked up the rod, two false casts, and 50'of line went zinging out first cast. He can get it out in the 65 to 70' range with no problem now. My whole family went fishing once, my wife watched my Dad for awhile, and said "Looks like he's been practicing. His casts are sosmooth now." I told her, "No, it's the rod I made him." She said,"Yeah, right." Oh well, she keeps me honest. This is also the same taper that Jamie Lyle from Sage cast to90' when he tried it out at a flyfishing show in Long Beach CA. Darryl _____________________________________________________________________You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e- mail.Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.comOr call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654- 5866] from SalarFly@aol.com Mon Jun 15 13:53:04 1998 Subject: Re: Thanks to Wayne and Darryl In a message dated 6/15/98 9:37:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time,jcole10@juno.comwrites: Darryl What page of Wayne's? I cannot find a 7-4 in my book. John Cole It's on page 225. It's the 7' 0" 4DT.Darryl from SalarFly@aol.com Mon Jun 15 13:55:31 1998 Subject: Wayne's Sir D Favorite Taper List Just a little problem using the tapers in Wayne's post. In the 6'3" 3 piece versions of the taper the "hinge"falls right at the ferrule location (50"). Since a ferruleis stiff, this eliminates the hinge. In a rod this short,if you expect to roll cast it, it needs the hinge. Movethe hinge 5 inches closer to the handle and it willbe fine. Stress curves to the rescue - without lookingat the tapers with a stress curve I never would have spotted this. weeks ago is derived from - guess what? Darryl from iank@nelson.planet.org.nz Mon Jun 15 14:43:09 1998 sage.ts.co.nz with SMTP id HAA15994 for ;Tue, 16 Jun 1998 07:42:59+1200 Subject: Re: Hardy Casting Rod Dean , The Hardy Wanless series was started in 1933 and made through to themid1950s. Some of the Wanless 10' models are designated "upstream worming"rods which would suggest they may have a rather soft action as well asillustrating Hardy's commercial rather then purist approach. The numberyouquote would suggest a rod made in 1951. regards Ian K t 10:51 AM 15/06/98 -0500, you wrote:Gang,My parents just returned from an extended trip in England. As agift they brought me a Hardy split bamboo casting. It's marked 'TheHardy Wanlass | 9/10 lb| Palakona Regd Trademark' The serial number onthe but cap is E78447. Ian Kearney phone 0064 03 5445556104 Champion Road Fax 0064 03 5440374Richmond New Zealand email inak@ts.co.nz from DBURRILL@TELEHUB.com Mon Jun 15 14:55:31 1998 Subject: RE: Hardy Casting Rod boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BD9897.7F2CE818" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does notunderstandthis format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD9897.7F2CE818 Thanks Ian!Where did you find this information? -----Original Message-----From: Ian Kearney [SMTP:iank@nelson.planet.org.nz]Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Hardy Casting Rod Dean , The Hardy Wanless series was started in 1933 and made through tothe mid1950s. Some of the Wanless 10' models are designated "upstreamworming "rods which would suggest they may have a rather soft action aswell asillustrating Hardy's commercial rather then purist approach. Thenumber youquote would suggest a rod made in 1951. regards Ian K t 10:51 AM 15/06/98 -0500, you wrote:Gang,My parents just returned from an extended trip inEngland. As agift they brought me a Hardy split bamboo casting. It's marked'TheHardy Wanlass | 9/10 lb| Palakona Regd Trademark' The serialnumber onthe but cap is E78447. Ian Kearney phone 0064 03 5445556104 Champion Road Fax 0064 03 5440374Richmond New Zealand email inak@ts.co.nz ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD9897.7F2CE818 RE: Hardy Casting Rod Thanks Ian! -----Original=Message----- [SMTP:iank@nelson.planet.org.nz] Monday, June 15, 1998 12:43 PM Re: Hardy Casting Rod Dean , The HardyWanless =series was started in 1933 and made through to the mid1950s. Some ofthe =Wanless 10' models are designated "upstream worming"rods whichwould =suggest they may have a rather soft action as well asillustrating =Hardy's commercial rather then purist approach. The number youquote wouldsuggest =a rod made in 1951. regards Ian K =15/06/98 -0500, you wrote: just = Wanlass | = is =E78447. Ian Kearney = =phone 0064 03 5445556104 ChampionRoad = 0064 =03 5440374Richmond New Zealand = =email inak@ts.co.nz ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD9897.7F2CE818-- from jwilcox@netsync.net Mon Jun 15 16:01:01 1998 quartz.netsync.net(8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA16611 for ;Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:00:53-0400 Subject: leonard 39h guide spacing boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD987F.11168900" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD987F.11168900 davy, thanks for the information. one problem as i'm new to the nuances =of the archives. is there a special way to search out specific =information? for example, the thomas material you referred to. thanks =again, jim wilcox ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD987F.11168900 davy, thanks for the = referred to. thanks again, jim wilcox ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD987F.11168900-- from jwilcox@netsync.net Mon Jun 15 17:13:50 1998 quartz.netsync.net(8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA22711 for ;Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:13:40-0400 Subject: guide spacing boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD9889.3C321AA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD9889.3C321AA0 davy forget half of my reply! i was going through my taper book and =found the thomas info that i had downloaded fron the taper archives. i =had forgotten that the guide spacings were there. but my other question =still stands. is there a way to search the listserve archives to find =specific information/topics that were covered in a particular month? by=the way, the thomas spacings look good. thanks, jim ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD9889.3C321AA0 davy forget half of my reply! iwas = through my taper book and found the thomas info that i had downloaded = archives to find specific information/topics that were covered in a = jim ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD9889.3C321AA0-- from cbogart@shentel.net Mon Jun 15 18:25:00 1998 head.globalcom.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA11288; Mon, 15 Jun1998 19:25:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Note About Nodeless Wayne That sure sounds like a bit of rodmaking lore to me. Just like that old saying: "He who lives by the node, dies by the node!" Chris On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 01:29:29 -0400, Wayne Cattanach wrote: Gee - I wonder if any of the older noded makers ever got a box of nodes bypony express???????? from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Mon Jun 15 18:43:57 1998 Subject: A Site of interest Guys, Was exploring today and found the Lee Valley Tools has a site. Got some neat stuff on wood planes, metal composition etc. Also mentions TIN process used as a hardening surface. Think H & H use asimilar process on guides. Check it out @ http://www.leevalley.com/woodwork/wood.htm from cbogart@shentel.net Mon Jun 15 18:47:35 1998 head.globalcom.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA15697; Mon, 15 Jun1998 19:47:24 -0400 boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.EUMA81138764=_=_=_"Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.EUMA81138764=_=_=_ ChrisActually there is good reason that the nodes are weakest - Peoplehave said it time and again - it is even the "Digger" video. It was not untilJohn Bokstrum showed (actually he was hiding it from me) a cross sectionofa culm cut exactly at dead center of the node that it made sense. It is atthispoint the power fibers are not contagious. In the photo I have attached youcan see the fingers of pulp that goes almost to the enamel. Regards Chris On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:50:26 -0800, C.J. Wohlford wrote: Chris,Not really, just that "...the leaf marks or nodes in the bamboo present aproblem. These spotsarethe weakest part of the cane, and two of them should not be placed nextto each other."...hey...wait a minute....are you playing me for a patsy here??? :) Chris "They'll bury me with my nodes on" Wohlford Chris Bogart wrote: ChrisIt is funny when you look back at comments in time - especiallywhen a lotof rodmakers did not share info. The only shame in the statements isthat there is noneof the varnishes still around that would really be great for brushing - Iwould neverrecommend two thick coats either - maybe that is why the varnishcracked. Chris PS - did he have anything nice to say about nodes? On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:04:48 -0800, C.J. Wohlford wrote: Chris,I agree. I haven't had any problems with the way I do my ferrulesstations either. I alsofeelthat the varnish I use might have something to do with it. I was justpassing on a littleinfo from an author who has personally known and hung around some veryprominentrodmakers/designers of the past. He also had a few other things to say such as: 1) He doesn't like flaming. Says it causes uneven temperament of thecane.2) Seems to have something negative to say about each type of taperexcept, of course, theparabolic.3) He doesn't like the "dipping" method. Says 5 thin coats of brushed onvarnish provides abetter protection (higher quality) then 2 thick coats dipped. I have to admit I wasn't expecting these type of statements and foundthem kind ofinteresting. Best Regards,Chris Wohlford Chris Bogart wrote: ChrisThink about what is written - it doesn't solve the problem. Iftheferrule is not mounted properly and it would crack the thread - itwill also enhancethe separation between the wrap up to the ferrule also. I don't buythis solution.It treats the symptoms not the cause of the problem. First not all ferrules will have this problem if mountedproperly. My personalrodwhich probably ranks up there with one of the most used and abusedrods onthe list does not have this problem. There are several others outthere that seemto survive this just fine. So I would not take this as a fact of life. I feather my ferrule tabs like Wayne does - but I mount them ontheedges of the flat rather than center (my reasons). I will not get intothe gluecontroversy but I use Devcon 5 ton thick epoxy gel. With a good fit itseemsto work. The thread on this particular rod is 3/0 silk. Regards Chris On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:31:50 -0800, C.J. Wohlford wrote: Was reading John Alden Knight's "Field Book of Fresh Water Angling"and hestates the following: "In the wrapping of serrations at the end of the ferrules with aprotective coating of thread, the better practice is to have thewindingstop exactly where the wood meats the metal. If this is not done andthewinding is carried down over the wood, sooner or later the varnish-coatedthread will crack where the wood and ferrule meet, leaving avulnerablespot in the waterproof armor of varnish. This means that moisturecanenter and rot the wood." Best Regards,Chris Wohlford --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.EUMA81138764=_=_=_ 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--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.EUMA81138764=_=_=_-- from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Jun 15 20:41:36 1998 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules In a message dated 6/15/98 11:51:52 PM, you wrote: Well, I for one, am glad to hear it. It's bad enough when I catch the flu atthe office. from cbogart@shentel.net Mon Jun 15 21:15:58 1998 head.globalcom.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA13863; Mon, 15 Jun1998 22:15:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules TomSometimes I place too much faith in the spell checker and don'tpay attention to the semantics. Oh well - I avoid nodes like the plagueanyway so meaning still applies! Chris On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:36:44 EDT, TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: from iank@nelson.planet.org.nz Mon Jun 15 23:00:07 1998 sage.ts.co.nz with SMTP id PAA04042 for ;Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:59:51+1200 Subject: RE: Hardy Casting Rod Dean , The information came from a book "Fishing Tackle , a collectors guide " byGraham Turner . It was published privately in 1995 , second edition , and is considered the"bible" on Hardy and other British gear . I can send you a fax with the rodtypes and built dates if that is of any interest to you . The book is ratherdifficult to come across but it is well worth while if you have an interestin British reels or rods . regards Iank At 02:55 PM 15/06/98 -0500, you wrote:Thanks Ian!Where did you find this information? -----Original Message-----From: Ian Kearney [SMTP:iank@nelson.planet.org.nz]Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Hardy Casting Rod Dean , The Hardy Wanless series was started in 1933 and made through tothe mid1950s. Some of the Wanless 10' models are designated "upstreamworming "rods which would suggest they may have a rather soft action aswell asillustrating Hardy's commercial rather then purist approach. Thenumber youquote would suggest a rod made in 1951. regards Ian K t 10:51 AM 15/06/98 -0500, you wrote:Gang,My parents just returned from an extended trip inEngland. As agift they brought me a Hardy split bamboo casting. It's marked'TheHardy Wanlass | 9/10 lb| Palakona Regd Trademark' The serialnumber onthe but cap is E78447. Ian Kearney phone 0064 03 5445556104 Champion Road Fax 0064 03 5440374Richmond New Zealand email inak@ts.co.nz RE: Hardy Casting Rod Thanks Ian! -----OriginalMessage----- [SMTP:iank@nelson.planet.org.nz] rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Re: Hardy Casting Rod Dean , The Hardy Wanlessseries wasstarted in 1933 and made through to the mid1950s. Some of theWanless10' models are designated "upstream worming "rods which wouldsuggest theymay have a rather soft action as well asillustrating Hardy'scommercial rather then purist approach. The number youquote would suggest arodmade in 1951. regards Ian K 15/06/98-0500, you wrote: me a 9/10 lb| E78447. Ian Kearney phone0064 03 5445556104 Champion Road 0064 035440374Richmond New Zealand emailinak@ts.co.nz Ian Kearney phone 0064 03 5445556104 Champion Road Fax 0064 03 5440374Richmond New Zealand email inak@ts.co.nz from FLYROD777@aol.com Mon Jun 15 23:38:08 1998 Subject: Grayrock Can anyone tell me if there is a place to shower near the BBQ. Will besacking out in the Van. Mark from flyrod@artistree.com Tue Jun 16 00:38:01 1998 WAA16819 Subject: Re: Cracked Varnish at Ferrules mac-creator="4D4F5353" Chris,Funny, I have a similar culm in my shop that was cut right at the node andI have studied itmanytimes. But, I'll tell you something, the scientist in me understands thatthere is a problem andyoumaybe right while the artist in me says you don't always truly understandwhat mother nature isup to.At this point in my life I know that: 1) I hate glues - no matter how "proven" they may be. It's been a delicatebalance that I darenotupset. The less glue in my rod the better for me. 2) I have come to appreciate the character that a node configuration givesmy rods. It's a topicofconversation to people who don't fish or build bamboo rods. In other words,if you point out thenodesto your average person they seem to be able to more easily identify that,yes, this once was apieceof bamboo. However impractical or superficial this may be it does seem tocreate a bridge. Hell,thismight sound crazy but I have actually run into people who think they arefishing an oldfiberglass rodwhen they're really fishing an old bamboo rod. I just point out the nodesand watch their eyeslightup. I swear I am not making this up. It has been said that some of the greatest artists of history knew thattheir art must be flawedinsome way. The human eye, for lack of a better word, cannot tolerateperfection. This might soundlikea strange comment but it really is a truth that works on a subconsciouslevel. Sorry for the philosophical ramblings. I have decided to supress thescientist for tonight. Chris Wohlford Chris Bogart wrote: ChrisActually there is good reason that the nodes are weakest - Peoplehave said it time and again - it is even the "Digger" video. It was notuntilJohn Bokstrum showed (actually he was hiding it from me) a crosssection ofa culm cut exactly at dead center of the node that it made sense. It is atthispoint the power fibers are not contagious. In the photo I have attachedyoucan see the fingers of pulp that goes almost to the enamel. Regards Chris from DBURRILL@TELEHUB.com Tue Jun 16 09:14:04 1998 Subject: RE: Hardy Casting Rod boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BD9930.F8BAF988" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does notunderstandthis format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD9930.F8BAF988 Thanks again Ian. I'll just have to find a copy of that book! -----Original Message-----From: Ian Kearney [SMTP:iank@nelson.planet.org.nz]Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 9:00 PM Subject: RE: Hardy Casting Rod Dean , The information came from a book "Fishing Tackle , a collectorsguide " byGraham Turner . It was published privately in 1995 , second edition , and isconsidered the"bible" on Hardy and other British gear . I can send you a faxwith the rodtypes and built dates if that is of any interest to you . Thebook is ratherdifficult to come across but it is well worth while if you havean interestin British reels or rods . regards Iank At 02:55 PM 15/06/98 -0500, you wrote:Thanks Ian!Where did you find this information? -----Original Message-----From: Ian Kearney [SMTP:iank@nelson.planet.org.nz]Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Hardy Casting Rod Dean , The Hardy Wanless series was started in 1933 and madethrough tothe mid1950s. Some of the Wanless 10' models are designated"upstreamworming "rods which would suggest they may have a rather softaction aswell asillustrating Hardy's commercial rather then puristapproach. Thenumber youquote would suggest a rod made in 1951. regards Ian K t 10:51 AM 15/06/98 -0500, you wrote:Gang,My parents just returned from an extended tripinEngland. As agift they brought me a Hardy split bamboo casting.It's marked'TheHardy Wanlass | 9/10 lb| Palakona Regd Trademark' Theserialnumber onthe but cap is E78447. Ian Kearney phone 0064 03 5445556104 Champion Road Fax 0064 03 5440374Richmond New Zealand email inak@ts.co.nz RE: Hardy Casting Rod Thanks Ian! -----OriginalMessage----- [SMTP:iank@nelson.planet.org.nz] Monday, June 15, 1998 12:43 PM rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Re: Hardy Casting Rod Dean , The Hardy Wanlessseries wasstarted in 1933 and made through to the mid1950s. Some ofthe Wanless10' models are designated "upstream worming "rods which wouldsuggest theymay have a rather soft action as well asillustratingHardy'scommercial rather then purist approach. The number youquote wouldsuggest a rodmade in 1951. regards Ian K 15/06/98-0500, you wrote: just brought me a Wanlass| 9/10 lb| is E78447. Ian Kearney 0064 03 5445556104 ChampionRoad 5440374Richmond New Zealand inak@ts.co.nz Ian Kearney phone 0064 03 5445556104 Champion Road Fax 0064 03 5440374Richmond New Zealand email inak@ts.co.nz ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD9930.F8BAF988 RE: Hardy Casting Rod to find a copy of that book! -----Original=Message----- [SMTP:iank@nelson.planet.org.nz] Monday, June 15, 1998 9:00 PM RE: Hardy Casting Rod Dean , The informationcame = from a book "Fishing Tackle , a collectors guide " byGraham Turner .= It was published=privately in 1995 , second edition , and is considered the"bible" =on Hardy and other British gear . I can send you a fax with the =rodtypes and built=dates if that is of any interest to you . The book is ratherdifficult tocome =across but it is well worth while if you have an interestin British reelsor =rods . regards Iank At 02:55 PM =15/06/98 -0500, you wrote: Ian! =find this information? =Message----- [SMTP:iank@nelson.planet.org.nz] rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Re: Hardy Casting Rod Wanless series was started in 1933 and made through to mid of =the Wanless 10' models are designated "upstream " soft action as as Hardy's commercial rather then purist approach. 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