3303@ix.netcom.com, Camp@ix.netcom.com, Hill@ix.netcom.com,PA@ix.netcom.com, 17011@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Handle holder If stress on the rod is not too big of a concern, the golf repair folks havea 'grip' that can be put above the grip and on the rod itself. It's hardrubber and "collapses' on the shaft of the golf club, rod and can then beput into a vice with the appropriate amount of pressure from the vice tohold but not crush. Lamberson, William R. wrote: Don - You might try putting two or three wood blocks on a wood base.Attach hose clamps to the tops of the blocks either by using a flatheadscrew or by making a small slot in the block through which to run theclamp. If the latter method is used you may wish to make a radius onthe top of the block. Pad the inside of the hose clamps to avoid makingmarks on the grip. By using three clamps that encircle the handle, eachone does not need to be tightened very much so the likelihood of damageto the grip is low. Bill LambersonColumbia, Missouri -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 4:57 AM Subject: Handle holder Guys, Has anyone got a neat and simple method of holding thecork handle whilework is being done on the reel seat. A vise puts markson the handle -collets would have to be done for all handle styles anddiameters.Any thoughts? Thanx, Don from sjstill@indy.net Fri Jul 17 13:46:21 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine Mine got here today. Looks good. Was worth the wait! Steve Steve Stillabower from flyfisher@cmix.com Fri Jul 17 13:56:53 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine Mine's here too. Don Burns from Grhghlndr@aol.com Fri Jul 17 15:41:09 1998 Subject: Re: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine Didn't get mine yet but maybe it is working itself east slowly. h well allgood things come to he that waits ,and waits, and waits, and so on and soon.Just kidding I am not in any hurry as I know Mark will get the kinksworkedout here soon.Bret from lcdr.hallowell@smtp.cnet.navy.mil Fri Jul 17 16:44:20 1998 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11297; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:45:34 -0500 R8.00.01) Subject: Re[2]: 60 deg rough router Thanks Doug Al, Thanks for your design. For a guy with carpal Tunnel in each arm it will make the difference. Mark ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: Re: 60 deg rough router Author: at INTERNET Doug, your absolutely right....I meant no disrespect for Al and his work. Ijustnever caught his name in the threads for the router setup. Thank you Mr.Medved,Jeff ---- you wrote: In a message dated 98-07-16 11:26:00 EDT, you write: router that was at Greyrock on a web site. >>Just thought that with the string going there is some credit due. Ratherthanrefer to it as "the *60 router"...Mr. Al Medved deserves some credit. Fromthose that have built one, it gets rave reviews. Thank you Al. Doug Hall ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com from lcdr.hallowell@smtp.cnet.navy.mil Fri Jul 17 16:49:38 1998 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11527; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:50:53 -0500 R8.00.01) Subject: Al Medved Planner Al, I drew up some rough plans from your drawing and some measurementsI took. Could I get you to look at them for me to see if I'm on target. They are in Microsoft Word. I will send by e mail if you like. Mark from rawhitejr@cyberportal.net Fri Jul 17 19:32:14 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine Steve wrote: To All, Has everyone received their magazine or are there more peoplewaitingpatiently? Regards, SteveIndependence, MO My third issue arrived today. Bob from RVenneri@aol.com Fri Jul 17 20:12:18 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine and Catskill Gathering I got my copy of Bamboo Flyrod today. who will be going to the catskill gathering I may go if any one would liketosee my components I will bring some just let me know what to bring Bob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RDSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882 from WayneCatt@aol.com Fri Jul 17 20:27:14 1998 Subject: A Good Time This past week was an interesting one for me. Besides blowing up a400ton chiller it was hot and humid - So I thought that this might be just asgood a time as any to give a explaination of why keeping bamboo parts at aelevated temperature will keep them dry. There is a rule of thumb that gets kicked around by heating folk - forevery 4 degrees that normal air is warmed the humidity is lowered by 10percent. In this example let's use the air inside a house as normal air. Ifthe temperature is say 74 degrees with a humidity of 45 - 50 percent thendryair can be had by warming a enclosed amount from normal to 92 to 94degrees.If you aren't running the air conditioning then a closer example might be82degrees and 65 - 70 percent humidity. In this case dry air can be had fromnormal by warming an enclosed amount to 108 - 110 degrees. ofthe clothes dryer. By warming incoming air moisture is removed from theclothes. Warming air allows it to attract moisture you might say. Now thetemperature of the incoming air in a clothes dryer is limited to 135degreeswhich is enough to dry clothes in virtually any environment through outtheUS.It seems that the posts of the list are cyclic - the list is alwaysattracting new members and they will have the same questions that thosejoining a year ago had. I know that the Archives have the answers to mostquestions but I can't recall the mention of the clothes dryer before. Wayne from saweiss@flash.net Fri Jul 17 22:03:11 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine got mine todaySteve Weiss To All, Has everyone received their magazine or are there more people waitingpatiently? Regards, SteveIndependence, MO from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Jul 17 22:15:54 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine I havn't seen mine yet. Dave L. from anglport@con2.com Sat Jul 18 08:07:19 1998 Subject: Re: A Good Time At 09:25 PM 7/17/98 EDT, you wrote:This past week was an interesting one for me. Besides blowing up a400ton chiller it was hot and humid - So I thought that this might be just asgood a time as any to give a explaination of why keeping bamboo parts ataelevated temperature will keep them dry. I can't recall the mention of the clothes dryer before. Wayne Wayne,Thanks for the clothes-dryer idea. I used it this morning and the stripscame out perfectly dry! Except, how do I straighten them out now? They'reall formed into a hula-hoop shape. Seriously though (after my little farce with the 2pc/3pc posting, I thoughtI'd better say that) what's a 400 ton chiller used for, an auto-assemblyline? And, a better question, how do you blow one up and not get indicted help with the bond if you need it.Art from kgabd@uswest.net Sat Jul 18 09:59:56 1998 Subject: Re: Handle holder Fred Bohls, CFP wrote: If stress on the rod is not too big of a concern, the golf repair folks havea 'grip' that can be put above the grip and on the rod itself. It's hardrubber and "collapses' on the shaft of the golf club, rod and can then beput into a vice with the appropriate amount of pressure from the vice tohold but not crush. Lamberson, William R. wrote: Don - You might try putting two or three wood blocks on a wood base.Attach hose clamps to the tops of the blocks either by using a flatheadscrew or by making a small slot in the block through which to run theclamp. If the latter method is used you may wish to make a radius onthe top of the block. Pad the inside of the hose clamps to avoid makingmarks on the grip. By using three clamps that encircle the handle, eachone does not need to be tightened very much so the likelihood ofdamageto the grip is low. Bill LambersonColumbia, Missouri -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 4:57 AM Subject: Handle holder Guys, Has anyone got a neat and simple method of holding thecork handle whilework is being done on the reel seat. A vise puts markson the handle -collets would have to be done for all handle styles anddiameters.Any thoughts? Thanx, Donwhat the hell is with the mail - keeps sending 16 messages over andover! from DrBamboo@aol.com Sat Jul 18 13:32:16 1998 Subject: New Address and phone # Jerry;Have meant to get this to you sooner but things have been hectic.Newinfo:SweetWater Rods258 Main St.Shoemakersville,Pa. 19555610-562-8595I paid the pissant phone co. to forward this number for 3 months.Theystopped after 3 weeks. George from Millsx5@aol.com Sat Jul 18 13:53:12 1998 Subject: Test!!!! Just a test to see if I can get on. Hello to all and good fishing. Mike Mills from flyfisher@cmix.com Sat Jul 18 14:30:24 1998 Subject: RE:Test!!!! RO>Just a test to see if I can get on. Hello to all and good fishing. RO>Mike Mills You're on - good FF to you too. Don Burns from jcole10@juno.com Sat Jul 18 16:39:12 1998 17:38:34 EDT Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine Didn't get my issue yet, but maybe it takes longer to get to the backwoods in Tennessee. It's a great publication and I am looking forward toreceiving it. John Cole On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:38:07 EDT Grhghlndr@aol.com writes:Didn't get mine yet but maybe it is working itself east slowly. h well allgood things come to he that waits ,and waits, and waits, and so on and so on.Just kidding I am not in any hurry as I know Mark will get the kinks workedout here soon.Bret _____________________________________________________________________You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e- mail.Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.comOr call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654- 5866] from CampblRods@aol.com Sat Jul 18 19:27:15 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine I got mine in the mail yesterday!Steve CampbellCampbell Rod Co.Brewer,ME from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Sat Jul 18 20:33:10 1998 Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:32:52 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: New Address and phone # George, I'd realy like a copy of your book. Is it out yet? Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from duke746@email.msn.com Sat Jul 18 21:44:31 1998 SMTPSVC;Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:43:54 -0700 Subject: RE: New Address and phone # -----Original Message----- DrBamboo@aol.com Subject: New Address and phone # Jerry;Have meant to get this to you sooner but things have been hectic.Newinfo:SweetWater Rods258 Main St.Shoemakersville,Pa. 19555610-562-8595I paid the pissant phone co. to forward this number for 3 months.Theystopped after 3 weeks. George would like copy of your book ,how do I get a copy. Jim d. from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Sat Jul 18 22:16:43 1998 Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:12:51 -0500 RODMAKERS LIST Subject: Re: Southern Bamboo Rodmakers Gathering A651EBFE62456842D541D825" --------------A651EBFE62456842D541D825 John, Below is the original post concerning the gathering. If you'relooking for hotels, I would suggest either the Ramada Inn or the ComfortInnin Mountain Home, Arkansas. I don't have their phone #'s, but if you call(1-800- NATURAL), the Arkansas Tourist Board will send an excellenttravelguide for the State. There are closer places for lodging, especially Gene'sTrout Resort (870)499-5381, which is walking distance from the QuarryStatePark. Nice, clean, new cozy cabins. Rainbow Trout Resort is OK too, butneither is anything fancy; (870)499-7214. Also walking distance. I'mfromLouisiana, so I'll be about 6-7 hours from home. I'm planning to camp attheState Park, but that's not for everyone.There are numerous craft and antique stores in Mt. Home which my wifelikes to visit, although she probably won't make this trip. About an hoursouth of the gathering is the Ozark Folk Center (870)269-3851 whicheveryoneshould visit at least once. Branson, Missouri is about 1 1/2 hours away bycar, I think. Surely you're familiar with all there is to do in Branson!(There's even some really good fly fishing if the water is low -- that'swhatI do when my family visits the "Las Vegas of the Ozarks")Since this gathering is a "first" for this part of the country, there isno charge as of yet. I have reserved the outdoor pavillion at the StatePark I doubt it. do hope someone will volunteer to grill some burgers, but notakers yet. In all likelihood we will plan a more structured gathering fornext year, and that will require some additional funds.Confirmed for the gathering so far are: Harold and Eileen Demarest,HarryBoyd, Kurt Loup, Eric Koehler, Rick Crenshaw, Tony Spezio, Jody Titone,BillLamberson, Don Laurenza, John Cole, and Leo Eck. Surprisingly, I haven'theard much from the Missouri and Texas contingents on the list. Maybewe'llhear from them soon. (Yes, this is bait!) I'm going to invite Dave Whitlockand several other well known residents of the area. Maybe they'll tell ushow to catch a few fish in the area, and we can show them how pleasantbamboorods are.Hope this helps, and if you have further questions, let me know. Myphone #'s are below.Harry PS, I posted this to the list in case others want similar information SOUTHERN BAMBOO RODMAKERS GATHERING A Southern Rodmakers Gathering will be held prior to the SouthernCouncil Federation of Fly Fishers Conclave at Mountain Home, Arkansas,October 2- 4,1988. This will be an informal gathering held at the Riverside Pavillionof Quarry State Park on the Norfork River, Thursday October 1, 1988.Plans are to gather 30+ rodmakers together, cast each other's rods,hear and see presentations from any and all volunteers, split someculms, plane some strips, demonstrate tools, swap equipment, askquestions, brag, laugh, eat, drink, and fish one of the best troutstreams in the world.All Rodmakers and potential rodmakers should make plans toattend. Bring all your rods and what tools you can carry, and learn from the other Rodmakers present.The Pavillion is equipped with a large BBQ pit available to anyonewho wants to cook. Bring your own food and drink, or make a quick runto the small town of Norfork to eat at one of the cafes.Hopes are that this will be the fore-runner of more formalgatherings in days to come. Many talented rodmakers live and work inthe Southern United States and have little opportunity to attendsimilar gatherings in other parts of the country. By holding thisfirst informal gathering we hope to develop an annual time and place Any Rodmaker interested in giving a presentation or demonstratingany area of bamboo rodmaking, please contact Harry Boyd at(318)435-4359 or (318)435-2278 (evenings), or fbcwin@fsbnet.com JOHN E COLE wrote: Harry,Thanks for the reply. How was the fishing? I also went fishing andcaughtseveral rainbows and browns in the 12 to 14 inch range. First time Ihave had any luck in a long time.Now for the Arkansas gathering! I need all the information you canprovide especially a location so I can get a trip-tic from AAA and namesof motels so I can make reservations. I can only be there a couple ofdays. My wife would like to come along - is there anything she can dowhile meeting is going on? Please include cost for gathering in yourinformation and if you need this in advance.Thanks,John Cole On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:34:20 -0500 Harry Boyd writes:John, I hope I haven't confused you. There are two gatherings beingdiscussed on the list now, the Catskills Gathering near Roscoe, andtheArkansas Gathering near Mt. Home. I'm trying to put together theArkansasgathering. If that is what you're interested in, I can give you alltheinfo. For he Catskills gathering at Roscoe, you will have to askelsewhere.Sorry to have been so long responding, but was fishing Wed-Friday. Let me know what info you're seekking. We'd love to see you inArkansas! Harry Boyd --------------A651EBFE62456842D541D825 John, post suggesteither the Ramada Inn or the Comfort Inn in Mountain Home, I don't have their phone #'s, but if you call (1-800- NATURAL), theArkansas There are closer places for lodging, especially Gene's Trout Resort(870)499- 5381,which is walking distance from the Quarry State Park. Nice, clean, newcozy cabins. Rainbow Trout Resort is OK too, but neither is anything fancy; so Park, but that's not for everyone. Mt.Home which my wife likes to visit, although she probably won't make this familiar with all there is to do in Branson! (There's even some reallygood fly fishing if the water is low -- that's what I do when my familyvisits the "Las Vegas of the Ozarks") In all likelihood we will plan a more structured gathering for next year,and that will require some additional funds. Eileen Demarest, Harry Boyd, Kurt Loup, Eric Koehler, Rick Crenshaw, TonySpezio, Jody Titone, Bill Lamberson, Don Laurenza, John Cole, and Leo Surprisingly, I haven't heard much from the Missouri and Texascontingents known in the area, and we can show them how pleasant bamboo rods are. PS, I posted this to the list in case others want similar information SOUTHERN BAMBOO RODMAKERS GATHERING to the SouthernCouncil Federation of Fly Fishers Conclave at Mountain Home,Arkansas, RiversidePavillionof Quarry State Park on the Norfork River, Thursday October 1, 1988.Plans are to gather 30+ rodmakers together, cast each other's rods,hear and see presentations from any and all volunteers, split someculms, plane some strips, demonstrate tools, swap equipment, askquestions, brag, laugh, eat, drink, and fish one of the best troutstreams in the world. makeplans to learn from the other Rodmakers present. availableto anyone quickrunto the small town of Norfork to eat at one of the cafes. moreformal work inthe Southern United States and have little opportunity to attend thisfirst informal gathering we hope to develop an annual time and place or demonstratingany area of bamboo rodmaking, please contact Harry Boyd at(318)435-4359 or (318)435-2278 (evenings), or fbcwin@fsbnet.com JOHN E COLE wrote:Harry,Thanks for the reply. How was the fishing? I also went fishing andcaught time Ihave had any luck in a long time.Now for the Arkansas gathering! I need all the information you canprovide especially a location so I can get a trip-tic from AAA andnamesof motels so I can make reservations. I can only be there a coupleofdays. My wife would like to come along - is there anything she cando in yourinformation and if you need this in advance.Thanks,John Cole On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:34:20 -0500 Harry Boyd<fbcwin@fsbnet.com>writes:John, two gatherings beingdiscussed on the list now, the Catskills Gathering near Roscoe, andthe theArkansas you allthe askelsewhere. fishing Wed-Friday. We'dlove to see you inArkansas! --------------A651EBFE62456842D541D825-- from channer@hubwest.com Sun Jul 19 07:49:44 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ABB122101DE; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:50:57 MDT Subject: Gene Edwards 7'6" Hi Guys;I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Gene Edwards rods. I canfind some information on Eustace, but not much about Gene. I got this rodto repair, but the owner can't afford to spend what it needs, so I boughtit from him. I probably paid too much, but what the heck, it looks like itwas once a good rod. It is wrapped in red tipped gold, which I gather istypical of all Edwards rods. It has a bakelite uplock reel seat with nicelyknurled aluminum hardware, and the rod is marked in white"made by GeneEdwards". All three sections are short, the tips about 3.5" and the buttneeds the ferrule remounted, so it is going to loose about 1". Is this rodgoing to be worth the effort of scarfing new bamboo to it , or should Iview it as an expensive training operation for if I ever need to repair areally good rod? TIA for any info anyone may have. John Channer from cbogart@shentel.net Sun Jul 19 09:08:23 1998 head.globalcom.net(8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA10110; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:08:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Gene Edwards 7'6" JohnI have a Gene Edwards rod. They are known for being really goodcastingrods which mine is. I use it for fishing on the Shenandoah - In fact it isthe rod handle on the picture of the Shenandoah Sunfish on my homepage.I would not discount that rod as not being quality. It doesn't have thequalityof hardware some people expect today - but I expect that rod has a verygood taperand you will be pleasantly surprised by how well it casts. It would beworth your whileto restore the rod - mic the taper and see what you learn from it. Because of the length and lack of a recognizable "name" they areamong the best deals out there. Chris On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:42:53, john channer wrote: Hi Guys;I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Gene Edwards rods. I canfind some information on Eustace, but not much about Gene. I got this rodto repair, but the owner can't afford to spend what it needs, so I boughtit from him. I probably paid too much, but what the heck, it looks like itwas once a good rod. It is wrapped in red tipped gold, which I gather istypical of all Edwards rods. It has a bakelite uplock reel seat with nicelyknurled aluminum hardware, and the rod is marked in white"made by GeneEdwards". All three sections are short, the tips about 3.5" and the buttneeds the ferrule remounted, so it is going to loose about 1". Is this rodgoing to be worth the effort of scarfing new bamboo to it , or should Iview it as an expensive training operation for if I ever need to repair areally good rod? TIA for any info anyone may have. John Channer from dpeaston@wzrd.com Sun Jul 19 09:21:17 1998 mail.wzrd.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) Subject: Re: Gene Edwards 7'6" At 06:42 AM 7/19/98, john channer wrote:Hi Guys;I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Gene Edwards rods. I canfind some information on Eustace, but not much about Gene. I got this rodto repair, but the owner can't afford to spend what it needs, so I boughtit from him. I probably paid too much, but what the heck, it looks like itwas once a good rod. It is wrapped in red tipped gold, which I gather istypical of all Edwards rods. It has a bakelite uplock reel seat with nicelyknurled aluminum hardware, and the rod is marked in white"made by GeneEdwards". All three sections are short, the tips about 3.5" and the buttneeds the ferrule remounted, so it is going to loose about 1". Is this rodgoing to be worth the effort of scarfing new bamboo to it , or should Iview it as an expensive training operation for if I ever need to repair areally good rod? TIA for any info anyone may have. John Channer John, My book on the subject, "Antique and Collectable Fishing Rods" by D.B.Homel Gives the followin listing for Gene Edwards Rods: "Deluxe" 8.5' 3/2Poor/Fair $100 Good-VG 235 Ex-Mint 575 "Light Trout" 2/2 $200 400 850 I would expect the values for your rod would be somewhere between. Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from channer@hubwest.com Sun Jul 19 10:00:46 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AA681EC2013C; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:02:00 MDT Subject: Re: Gene Edwards 7'6" At 10:17 AM 7/19/98 -0400, you wrote:My book on the subject, "Antique and Collectable Fishing Rods" by D.B.Homel Gives the followin listing for Gene Edwards Rods: "Deluxe" 8.5' 3/2Poor/Fair $100 Good-VG 235 Ex-Mint 575 "Light Trout" 2/2 $200 400 850 I would expect the values for your rod would be somewhere between. Doug EastonTonawanda, NY Doug and Chris;Thanks for the info, sounds like I didn't entirely throw my money away. Bythe time I get this rod done, maybe the market will catch up to them and itwill be worth something. At the moment it is in the poor/fair category, Iam going to have to have Dave make me a new female for it, the originalhasbeen re-mounted backwards with a new pin hole put in it and the welt ismissing, the curious thing is there is no sign that it ever had a moistureplug in it. I think I will go ahead and scarf it back to original length ,one tip an the first rod I made is scarfed at the second guide(had to learnthe hard way to be carefull straightening tips) and it is holding up fineafter a year of hard fishing. Take it easy John from gorank@idirect.com Sun Jul 19 14:17:31 1998 Subject: Inquiry on best mounting technique for new ferules on old bambooblanks Hi, I purchased new Leonard style nickel silver ferules from Bailey Wood. My question is: what is the best way to mount the ferules on an old bambooblank and to make sure that they are mounted straight? I would also like to achieve the original ferules' oxidized finish (Mr.Wood sells them only unoxidized). What would be the best way oxidize theferules? I would appreciate any help or guidance. Dimitri from watson@cape-consult.co.uk Sun Jul 19 16:00:05 1998 (BST) Subject: Gudebrod Whipping Finish boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BDB360.8B79F5A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BDB360.8B79F5A0 I am having problems with getting this two pack to cure fully. I have =tried warming the rod once it is applied to help with the cure but this =has not caused it to fully cure. The other problem is that varnish that =is apoplied over the top will not cure either (something I tried in =desperation!!) This has caused me to strip one rod already.Can someone help in this? I have read in the past of the use of Sally =Hanson's Hard as Nails - what are the disadvantages of using this. It =would appear to be much easier being a single pack and air cure product.All comments gratefully received.Tim Watson ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BDB360.8B79F5A0 I am having problems with getting= is that varnish that is apoplied over the top will not cure either = already. = the past of the use of Sally Hanson's Hard as Nails - what are the = air cure product.All comments gratefully =received.Tim =Watson ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BDB360.8B79F5A0-- from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sun Jul 19 16:48:01 1998 with SMTP id RAA12271;Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:46:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Inquiry on best mounting technique for new ferules on oldbamboo blanks On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Goran Kecman wrote: Hi, I purchased new Leonard style nickel silver ferules from Bailey Wood. My question is: what is the best way to mount the ferules on an oldbambooblank and to make sure that they are mounted straight? I would also like to achieve the original ferules' oxidized finish (Mr.Wood sells them only unoxidized). What would be the best way oxidizetheferules? If still available, that would be Payne's Nickle Silver Oxidizer available from Dave LeClair who should be on this list. 2 oz bottle will do 50 rodsI'm told. If he doesn't pop up with an email address, I'll send you aphone# off line. Regards, Bob Bob Perry \|/Fly Supplies: ::==,#=#*oFlytying materials (_ /|\Flyfishing equipmentRodbuilding components http://expage.com/page/flysupplieshttp://www.VirtualFlybox.com/okumahttp://www.mwflytyer.com/rightangle/Email catalog on request from SalarFly@aol.com Sun Jul 19 17:04:17 1998 Subject: Fishing Silk With the tutelage of Reed Curry I got an old sticky flyline cleaned and restored. I just got back from fishing it. Works great. Floats likea cork (Mucilin red label treated) and really presents the fly withbarely a ripple. I was in a wild trout area, but unfortunately the first fish I caught with it was a stocker, but it did give me a good fight, it was about 12". Must have wandered in from downstream where theydo stock the stream. This was my first time actually fishing with a silk line. I really like it! It doesn't stretch as much as a plastic line and hook sets are much more positive. And I really like the way the line feels and sounds as I cast it. There really is a different feel to silk lines, much like there is a different feel to bamboo rods. The combination of the two is too good to be described. Darryl Hayashida from rcurry@top.monad.net Sun Jul 19 18:12:34 1998 Subject: Re: Fishing Silk SalarFly@aol.com wrote: With the tutelage of Reed Curry I got an old sticky flyline cleanedand restored. I just got back from fishing it. Works great. Floats likea cork (Mucilin red label treated) and really presents the fly withbarely a ripple. I was in a wild trout area, but unfortunately the firstfish I caught with it was a stocker, but it did give me a good fight, itwas about 12". Must have wandered in from downstream where theydo stock the stream. This was my first time actually fishing with asilk line. I really like it! It doesn't stretch as much as a plastic lineand hook sets are much more positive. And I really like the way theline feels and sounds as I cast it. There really is a different feel to silklines, much like there is a different feel to bamboo rods. Thecombinationof the two is too good to be described. Darryl HayashidaDarryl,Thanks, I'll put it in just like that!Best regards,Reed from LECLAIR123@aol.com Sun Jul 19 18:20:34 1998 Subject: Re: Inquiry on best mounting technique for new ferules on oldbamboo blanks Dimitri,The best way to make sure the ferrule is straight, is to turnthe blank in a lathe, to the proper dimentions. If you don't have a lathe, you canuse a file and just keep rotating the blank while you file it. Rotate the blankback towards the file as you rotate. Try to remove the same amount all theway around. As far as oxidizing the ferruyles, I make and sell a Nickel Silver Oxidizer that will give you the same finish as original.I'm not sure weheyou live. As this stuff can not be sent out of the USA. As long as you live uin USAthere is no problem. If you live outside the country, you can send the ferrulesto me and I will oxidize them for you. If you would like one of my brochures,send me your mailing address and I will get one out to you. Dave LeClairThe Fly and Rod RoomP.O. Box 565Elbridge, NY 13060 from GLohkamp@aol.com Sun Jul 19 18:24:02 1998 Subject: Re: Fishing Silk DarrylYour right the silk lines are really something eles to cast with . When everlfinish a new taper and the rod feels like theres something missing l willtrya silk line on it . Makes them feel like a different rod . l think that it has alot to do with the dia being slightly smaller in a silkline than a mordern line . Also the finish is a bit slicker and harder thisstuff can really shoot,not to mention little or no line memory . The onlydrawback l have found so far is the maintence cant just roll it up on the reelandforget about even for a day . (they can begin to mold ) l would like to find myself another dt #5 silk line ,having two would giveme a dry line to fish in the am and fresh one to use in the pm . Gary l've had my line for all most 5 yrs it looks and casts like new l didnt getthat kind of wear from the modern lines l used to cast . from ragnarig@integrityol.com Sun Jul 19 19:07:30 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC0DE040148; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:15:09 PDT Subject: Re: Inquiry on best mounting technique for new ferules on oldbamboo blanks Dave LeClair Wrote Dimitri,The best way to make sure the ferrule is straight, is toturnthe blank in a lathe, to the proper dimentions. Dear Dimitri After I do as Dave advises I fit the ferrules half-way (they shouldn't beentirely fitted until the ferrules are glued on) and glue them to theferrules. After the glue is applied, the entire rod is clamped into a fixture which issimply a nine-foot 1x1 glued to a nine-foot 1x4 with relief pocketschiseledout for the ferrules. This way, when the glue hardens the rod comes outstraight- as straight as the board, anyway. I play with shims sometimes, to compensate for the contour of the taper,butit's usually sufficient to make sure the spine side is either on the flat oropposite to it. Davy from channer@hubwest.com Sun Jul 19 19:17:48 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ACF6EF5012C; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:19:02 MDT Subject: Re: Fishing Silk At 06:02 PM 7/19/98 EDT, you wrote: With the tutelage of Reed Curry I got an old sticky flyline cleaned and restored. I just got back from fishing it. Works great. Floats likea cork (Mucilin red label treated) and really presents the fly withbarely a ripple. I was in a wild trout area, but unfortunately the first fish I caught with it was a stocker, but it did give me a good fight, it was about 12". Must have wandered in from downstream where theydo stock the stream. This was my first time actually fishing with a silk line. I really like it! It doesn't stretch as much as a plastic line and hook sets are much more positive. And I really like the way the line feels and sounds as I cast it. There really is a different feel to silk lines, much like there is a different feel to bamboo rods. The combination of the two is too good to be described. Darryl Hayashida Darryl,et all;I picked up an old fly line at the local junque shop a few weeks ago, and Ihave no idea what it is. It is amber colored with a white braided core,itis much darker at the used end of the line than what was on the reel. Thecoating is not at all sticky. It seems to measure a consistant .030 for thewhole length of the line, which as far as I can find out is a level 4 wt. Ihaven't fished it yet, but lawn casting it gives much more of a jerk to my4 wt. rod as the line straightens than the double taper I am used to. Isthis because it is a level line, or is it something common to silk lines? Ihaven't cast a level line in 25 yrs, so I don't remember anything aboutthem,either. It does seem to cast nicely, and I kind of like the bump onthe rod when the line straightens out. Anybody have any ideas??Thanks; John from Molly1011@aol.com Sun Jul 19 21:40:43 1998 Subject: Re: Inquiry on best mounting technique for new ferules on oldbamboo blanks dimitri if you go for the file method, do as dave leclair suggests. afteryou file down the high spots(the points of the hex), lay the shaft acrossthetops of your thighs and roll it with your left hand. work the file on ferrulestation. by rolling/spinning the shaft, the ferrule station becomessuprisingly concentric. i use a sharpening stone and the thigh method toalsofit my ferrules. it is easy and the results have been great. erik from lblan@provide.net Sun Jul 19 22:26:11 1998 Subject: RE: How come? Wayne... very well put!! Got the cabinet for the dip tube underconstruction. Talked to Miles.. the drive is on the way. Can't wait!! Think we can talk Sam into a fly for flyanglers Fly of the Week?? Talk to you later... take care! Larry Blan It's unfortunate but no amount of pictures or words cantruely share theexperience of a week in Grayrock - the folks that attended (and somethatdidn't) represent a very special segment of the flyfishing world- they arethe folks that are the most serious about the sport but yet canlet their hairdown and have a good time - they are the ones that share the craft of rodmaking - they are the leaders of the conservation groups - they createprograms to share flyfishing with school kids - they are the ones thatdirectly or indirectly reach out to touch other folks lives andthat aren'tafraid of falling off their wallets of time or money in the process.One day there will be a hand that reaches down and ourstreams will be newagain - but until that day there is a group of folks that just can't driveaway at the end of a fishing day without feeling that they can dosomething -I just happen to be one of them. Wayne from watson@cape-consult.co.uk Mon Jul 20 03:41:46 1998 (BST) Subject: Re: Fishing Silk I have a tapered silk line on and would like to get it back in workingcondition if possible. Can someone tell me the best way to do this. Ibelieve it is from the thirties as it is still on the original reel fromthat time.ThanksTim--- --Original Message----- Subject: Fishing Silk With the tutelage of Reed Curry I got an old sticky flyline cleanedand restored. I just got back from fishing it. Works great. Floats likea cork (Mucilin red label treated) and really presents the fly withbarely a ripple. I was in a wild trout area, but unfortunately the firstfish I caught with it was a stocker, but it did give me a good fight, itwas about 12". Must have wandered in from downstream where theydo stock the stream. This was my first time actually fishing with asilk line. I really like it! It doesn't stretch as much as a plastic lineand hook sets are much more positive. And I really like the way theline feels and sounds as I cast it. There really is a different feel tosilklines, much like there is a different feel to bamboo rods. The combinationof the two is too good to be described. Darryl Hayashida from SalarFly@aol.com Mon Jul 20 13:05:08 1998 Subject: Re: Fishing Silk I have a tapered silk line on and would like to get it back in workingcondition if possible. Can someone tell me the best way to do this. Ibelieve it is from the thirties as it is still on the original reel fromthat time.ThanksTim Well, if you can wait a few months there will be a article outon silk line restoration in Bamboo Fly Rod magazine...... Darryl Hayashida from SalarFly@aol.com Mon Jul 20 13:05:59 1998 Subject: Re: Fishing Silk The only drawback l have found so far is the maintence cant just roll it up on the reel and forget about even for a day . (they can begin to mold ) I've been keeping my eye on this, and it doesn't seem to be a problem.Perhaps we live in different climates - I'm living in what would normallybe a desert if it wasn't for all the imported water. Normal humidity isin the 40 to 50% range. Or maybe it's because my line is freshlyrestored - it didn't take up any water at all when I was fishing with it. l would like to find myself another dt #5 silk line ,having two wouldgiveme a dry line to fish in the am and fresh one to use in the pm . I fished all day with mine. Didn't notice any loss of floatability eventowardsevening. I did do a couple of wipe downs of the first 20 or 30 feet with red label Mucilin during the day, just because I was told that needs to be done. Darryl from watson@cape-consult.co.uk Mon Jul 20 13:40:18 1998 (BST) Subject: Re: Fishing Silk Darryl,Thanks for the tips, I'll look out for another one in the antique shops!!Theone I have hasn't been used for a long long time - it came as a giftfrommy father in laws old tackle set.Any ideas how to breath some life back into it. It is still flexible, notat all brittle, although it seems to be stiffer than I would have thought.I fish with John Cooper who I think you know and he recommended contactonthis forum. He isn't sure of the way to go. I am still very much a pupilbut have to say the finish he is getting on his restoration rods issomething to aspire to!ThanksTim.-----Original Message---- - Subject: Re: Fishing Silk The only drawback l have found so far is the maintence cant just roll it up on thereeland forget about even for a day . (they can begin to mold ) I've been keeping my eye on this, and it doesn't seem to be a problem.Perhaps we live in different climates - I'm living in what would normallybe a desert if it wasn't for all the imported water. Normal humidity isin the 40 to 50% range. Or maybe it's because my line is freshlyrestored - it didn't take up any water at all when I was fishing with it. l would like to find myself another dt #5 silk line ,having two wouldgiveme a dry line to fish in the am and fresh one to use in the pm . I fished all day with mine. Didn't notice any loss of floatability eventowardsevening. I did do a couple of wipe downs of the first 20 or 30 feet withredlabel Mucilin during the day, just because I was told that needs to bedone. Darryl from eestlow@srminc.com Mon Jul 20 13:52:46 1998 Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:58:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Fishing Silk Tim,There was a rather detailed thread some months back on silk restoration.You might check the archives at the Rodmakers' site.-Ed "Tim Watson" on 07/20/98 01:24:00 PM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Fishing Silk Darryl,Thanks for the tips, I'll look out for another one in the antique shops!!Theone I have hasn't been used for a long long time - it came as a giftfrommy father in laws old tackle set.Any ideas how to breath some life back into it. It is still flexible, notat all brittle, although it seems to be stiffer than I would have thought.I fish with John Cooper who I think you know and he recommended contactonthis forum. He isn't sure of the way to go. I am still very much a pupilbut have to say the finish he is getting on his restoration rods issomething to aspire to!ThanksTim.-----Original Message---- - Subject: Re: Fishing Silk The only drawback l have found so far is the maintence cant just roll it up on thereeland forget about even for a day . (they can begin to mold ) I've been keeping my eye on this, and it doesn't seem to be a problem.Perhaps we live in different climates - I'm living in what would normallybe a desert if it wasn't for all the imported water. Normal humidity isin the 40 to 50% range. Or maybe it's because my line is freshlyrestored - it didn't take up any water at all when I was fishing with it. l would like to find myself another dt #5 silk line ,having two wouldgiveme a dry line to fish in the am and fresh one to use in the pm . I fished all day with mine. Didn't notice any loss of floatability eventowardsevening. I did do a couple of wipe downs of the first 20 or 30 feet withredlabel Mucilin during the day, just because I was told that needs to bedone. Darryl from flyfisher@cmix.com Mon Jul 20 14:09:15 1998 Subject: Heddon Buttcaps All, Some time back I asked for some replacement Heddon buttcaps andreceivedseveral offers from fellows offering to make them for me. Thanks to all. I decided to have Dave LeClair make them for me - I owed him some work job Dave! The buttcaps are of the style that fits into the Heddon "plastic"reelseat spacers on the 1940 - '50's era rods. I have a few extras andwill sell them for cost+10% plus shipping. This works out to be about $6each. (quanity 1) Please don't ask for 50 of them. Don Burns from flyfisher@cmix.com Mon Jul 20 16:44:29 1998 Subject: Heddon Buttcaps (correction) All, Some time back I asked for some replacement Heddon buttcaps andreceivedseveral offers from fellows offering to make them for me. Thanks to all. I decided to have Dave LeClair make them for me - I owed him some work job Dave! The buttcaps are of the style that fits into the Heddon "plastic"reelseat spacers on the 1940 - '50's era rods. I have a few extras andwill sell them for cost+10% plus shipping. This works out to be about $7 each. (quanity 1) Please don't ask for 50 of them. Don Burns from channer@hubwest.com Mon Jul 20 17:37:53 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A70A1315012C; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:39:06 MDT Subject: Re: Heddon Buttcaps At 12:08 PM 7/20/98 -0600, you wrote:All, Some time back I asked for some replacement Heddon buttcaps andreceivedseveral offers from fellows offering to make them for me. Thanks to all. I decided to have Dave LeClair make them for me - I owed him some work job Dave! The buttcaps are of the style that fits into the Heddon "plastic"reelseat spacers on the 1940 - '50's era rods. I have a few extras andwill sell them for cost+10% plus shipping. This works out to be about $6each. (quanity 1) Please don't ask for 50 of them. Don Burns Don;We talked about these when you were looking into it, and I would like tohave one if they go with a featherlite reel seat. I have a #14 that ismissing the cap, it is a cedar downlock and Mike Sinclair told me they hada black bakelite cap,knurled on the edge. If you think what you have isclose enough and if you have one to spare, send it to me at: John Channer5154 Hwy. 172Durango, Co. 81301 Thanks John from rcurry@top.monad.net Mon Jul 20 18:14:01 1998 Subject: Re: Fishing Silk GLohkamp@aol.com wrote: l would like to find myself another dt #5 silk line ,having two wouldgiveme a dry line to fish in the am and fresh one to use in the pm . GaryGary,I find that it is handy to have loops, for line to leader connection,on both ends of a DT, and a large enough loop in the backing line topermit you to pass the reel through. Then if the line starts to sink,just switch ends and you have a dry line. Before you drive home, emptythe line in loose coils onto the back seat of the car. It should dryovernight.Best regards,Reed from flyfisher@cmix.com Mon Jul 20 18:39:09 1998 Subject: Re: Heddon Buttcaps RO>>Don;RO>We talked about these when you were looking into it, and I would liketoRO>have one if they go with a featherlite reel seat. I have a #14 that isRO>missing the cap, it is a cedar downlock and Mike Sinclair told me theyhadRO>a black bakelite cap,knurled on the edge. If you think what you have isRO>close enough and if you have one to spare, send it to me at: RO>John ChannerRO>5154 Hwy. 172RO>Durango, Co. 81301 RO>Thanks RO>John John, I'm not sure what a featherlite reelseat is, if it has the same sizewood spacer as a std #14 seat then it uses the same black plasticbuttcap plug as all the other Heddons. Contact me at: Flyfisher@cmix.com or Canerods@aol.com Don Burns from cbogart@shentel.net Mon Jul 20 19:05:34 1998 head.globalcom.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA19212; Mon, 20 Jul1998 20:05:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Fishing Silk Darryl/Tim I have talked to Reed and we plan to do one of the world famous gutty Roscoe gathering anything goes - live and unrehearsed demos -"Restoring a silk line from a pile of gunk " - I have secured 2 such lines that are 40+years in the making - it should be a blast. So make plans for Roscoe andtheCatskills for weekend after labor day. BTW I just finished one this weekend that turned out super andcasts like a dream now. On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:04:06 EDT, SalarFly@aol.com wrote: I have a tapered silk line on and would like to get it back in workingcondition if possible. Can someone tell me the best way to do this. Ibelieve it is from the thirties as it is still on the original reel fromthat time.ThanksTim Well, if you can wait a few months there will be a article outon silk line restoration in Bamboo Fly Rod magazine...... Darryl Hayashida from plipton@sunvalley.net Tue Jul 21 08:07:45 1998 0600 Subject: Heat Treating After checking my notes, I use 15-20 minutes @ 375* with the Scencaloven. Bob Robert S Williams wrote: I have an Senecal oven and if I remember correctly (my notes are athome), I use20-25 minutes @ 375*, 20 for blonde rods and 25 for flamed rods.Remember toreverse your cane after half the time or you could start to color thecand closestto your heat gun. Bob I am using the senecal oven, approximately 30 minutes @ 350*. My unit isabit sensitive and I have trouble holding it at 375. If it overshoots themark and goes to 400, it burns up the strips. Ask me how I know. I stillturn my strips half way through but I am not sure it is necessary. I placedheat probes at the bottom and the top of the tube and found less than 10*difference in temperature. Phil from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Tue Jul 21 09:36:31 1998 Subject: Re: Silk Article At 14:04 20/07/98 EDT, you wrote: I have a tapered silk line on and would like to get it back in workingcondition if possible. Can someone tell me the best way to do this. Ibelieve it is from the thirties as it is still on the original reel fromthat time.ThanksTim Well, if you can wait a few months there will be a article outon silk line restoration in Bamboo Fly Rod magazine...... Darryl Hayashida Darryl, Who's going to wirte the article? Reed seems to have a lot of knowledgeandRichard Tyree sent me a lot of stuff when I was reconditioning a line. Theyhave enough info to do a bang up job. Don from teekay35@interlynx.net Tue Jul 21 10:02:05 1998 Subject: Re: Fishing Silk Chris, I have one, maybe two, silk lines that I'll bring to roscoe. ----------From: Chris Bogart Subject: Re: Fishing SilkDate: Monday, July 20, 1998 8:08 PM Darryl/Tim I have talked to Reed and we plan to do one of the world famous gutty Roscoe gathering anything goes - live and unrehearsed demos -"Restoring a silk line from a pile of gunk " - I have secured 2 such lines that are40+years in the making - it should be a blast. So make plans for Roscoe andtheCatskills for weekend after labor day. BTW I just finished one this weekend that turned out super andcasts like a dream now. On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:04:06 EDT, SalarFly@aol.com wrote: I have a tapered silk line on and would like to get it back in workingcondition if possible. Can someone tell me the best way to do this. Ibelieve it is from the thirties as it is still on the original reelfromthat time.ThanksTim Well, if you can wait a few months there will be a article outon silk line restoration in Bamboo Fly Rod magazine...... Darryl Hayashida from SalarFly@aol.com Tue Jul 21 10:19:22 1998 Subject: Re: Silk Article In a message dated 7/21/98 7:39:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca writes: Who's going to wirte the article? Reed seems to have a lot of knowledgeandRichard Tyree sent me a lot of stuff when I was reconditioning a line.Theyhave enough info to do a bang up job. Funny thing about this article. I had an old line that Ian Kearnyso generously gave to me after I expressed a wish to startfishing with a silk line, but it needed restoring. I asked Mark Metcalf if he would like me to take pictures and write down how I progressed, and he said yes. Now that I am posting my progress on this list, a lot of people have come forth and said they know people better qualified to write this article. No offense intended, but where were they before? Remember a couple of months agoI posted a message urging people to come forth and write forthis magazine? Remember Bret posting the same messageonly last week? Have you read the editorial column in the latestissue of Bamboo Fly Rod? Like I said before, we can exert a hugeinfluence on the content of this magazine - IF WE WRITE SOMEARTICLES AND SEND THEM IN!!!!!! Darryl Hayashida from sniderja@email.uc.edu Tue Jul 21 10:48:24 1998 Subject: Re: Silk Article I, for one, certainly did not see a reference to other people being "betterqualified," only that there are some who have experience at restoring silklines and perhaps have enough info to be able to write a knowledgeablearticle.Since you have experienced successfully restoring a silk line, and thenecessary photos illustrating the stages, then heck, go for it!J. Snider At 11:18 AM 7/21/98 EDT, you wrote:In a message dated 7/21/98 7:39:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca writes: Who's going to wirte the article? Reed seems to have a lot of knowledgeandRichard Tyree sent me a lot of stuff when I was reconditioning a line.Theyhave enough info to do a bang up job. Funny thing about this article. I had an old line that Ian Kearnyso generously gave to me after I expressed a wish to startfishing with a silk line, but it needed restoring. I asked Mark Metcalf if he would like me to take pictures and write down how I progressed, and he said yes. Now that I am posting my progress on this list, a lot of people have come forth and said they know people better qualified to write this article. No offense intended, but where were they before? Remember a couple of months agoI posted a message urging people to come forth and write forthis magazine? Remember Bret posting the same messageonly last week? Have you read the editorial column in the latestissue of Bamboo Fly Rod? Like I said before, we can exert a hugeinfluence on the content of this magazine - IF WE WRITE SOMEARTICLES AND SEND THEM IN!!!!!! Darryl Hayashida from rclarke@eou.edu Tue Jul 21 10:57:42 1998 Subject: Re: Silk Article I have to agree with you Jerry. I think that a lot of us have differentlevels of experience, but it is all valid. I don't think anyone wasimplying anything negetive with this line thread. I really look forward toseeing the article Sir D is preparing. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu ----------From: Jerry Snider Subject: Re: Silk ArticleDate: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 8:38 AM I, for one, certainly did not see a reference to other people being"betterqualified," only that there are some who have experience at restoringsilklines and perhaps have enough info to be able to write a knowledgeablearticle.Since you have experienced successfully restoring a silk line, and thenecessary photos illustrating the stages, then heck, go for it!J. Snider At 11:18 AM 7/21/98 EDT, you wrote:In a message dated 7/21/98 7:39:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca writes: Who's going to wirte the article? Reed seems to have a lot ofknowledge andRichard Tyree sent me a lot of stuff when I was reconditioning aline.Theyhave enough info to do a bang up job. Funny thing about this article. I had an old line that Ian Kearnyso generously gave to me after I expressed a wish to startfishing with a silk line, but it needed restoring. I asked Mark Metcalf if he would like me to take pictures and write down how I progressed, and he said yes. Now that I am posting my progress on this list, a lot of people have come forth and said they know people better qualified to write this article. No offense intended, but where were they before? Remember a couple of months agoI posted a message urging people to come forth and write forthis magazine? Remember Bret posting the same messageonly last week? Have you read the editorial column in the latestissue of Bamboo Fly Rod? Like I said before, we can exert a hugeinfluence on the content of this magazine - IF WE WRITE SOMEARTICLES AND SEND THEM IN!!!!!! Darryl Hayashida from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Tue Jul 21 11:02:43 1998 Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:59:51 -0500 "KDLoup@aol.com" Subject: Re: scraper plane Kurt, I think an assemble your own scraper plane session would be fun. Ireallylike the little scraper. I've made a few minor modifications that Imentioned toyou earlier, and you may or may not want to incorporate those into thedesign.When I get the blade set correctly I have no problems at all with"chattering." Iknow I would like to have another scraper. I've got a blade from an oldcheapplane that fits perfectly, and having two scrapers set up would allow meto switchscrapers rather than taking the one or two minutes necessary to switchand resetthe blades. I'm going to post this to the list and those who have madecommitments tobe present. If you folks are interested in a nice little scraper available atareasonable price, please let me know, and you may want to drop Kurt anote as wellat "Kurt Loup" Look forward to seeing y'all in Arkansas. Harry KDLoup@aol.com wrote: Harry, Been using the scraper I made? If so, please give me an honestassessment. I have been thinking about cutting out a bunch of planes foran"assemble your own" scraper plane during the rodmaking gathering. Iknow itis not a LN scraper plane, but if it is a worthy alternative, I should beableto provide a number of bodies for the gathering. I was able to produceshavings .001 or two thick, so I know it will work, but I did have somechattering. Once the blade of the LN is correctly set, chattering is not aproblem. Let me know what you think. Wayne C. hosts a chat room onThursdaynights 8-10 on the www.flyanglersonline.com web site. I tuned in and hesaidthat he and two other guys MAY come to ARK. That would be great. Kurt from jmckinnon@ottawa.iti.ca Tue Jul 21 11:05:25 1998 21 Jul 98 12:00:38 -0500 0500 (Mercury 1.40);21 Jul 98 12:00:01 -0500 Subject: where and when is roscoe? boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01BDB49F.1677ED80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BDB49F.1677ED80 I now have seen a couple of references to the above. Could anyone please =send some information. On or off listThanksJohn F. McKinnonjmckinnon@ottawa.iti.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BDB49F.1677ED80 I now have seen a couple of = above. Could anyone please send some information. On or off =listThanksJohn F. McKinnonjmckinnon@ottawa.iti.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BDB49F.1677ED80-- from Fishstink@aol.com Tue Jul 21 11:30:54 1998 Subject: Re: Heat Treating In a message dated 98-07-21 09:08:45 EDT, you write: Phil,I just used my Senecal for the first time. I went 375* for 20 minutesflippedat ten. The ends were definately browner than the middle of the strips,although after planing and sanding, the difference was not noticable. Ibuggared up one of my strips and had to heat treat another single strip. Atthe same temp settings, this strip came out darker than the others, alsotheform I used to hold the strip while heating really smoldered the wholetime.Nice little unit though, with ropes and pulleys, I just hoist it up into thegarage rafters when I'm done with it.Mike from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Tue Jul 21 11:42:03 1998 0500 Subject: Re: Silk Article Darryl, You're absolutely correct! I e-mailed a formal query to Mark Metcalfabout an article idea, and the next day he responded exuberantly. I'll bewritingabout the exploits of a very good fly fisherman (professional guide friend)andhis first experiences with a good casting cane rod. I, too, would encourageeachof you to take the plunge and write some articles.I've been writing for the flyfishing press for a couple of years, andamable to write off a little bit of my fishing expense as a business loss. Butmyaccountant tells me that I have to make a profit one year in five. Thatmay betough! from the quality of writing and the well thought out advice I see inthisforum, I know many of you have the skills necessary to do good work thatwill makea lasting contribution. Besides, it's quite an ego trip to see your name inprint.I'm not a professional editor, but I would be glad to share myexperienceswith any of you thinking about writing. Contact me off-line atfbcwin@fsbnet.com,or (318)435-4359 Harry Boyd SalarFly@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/21/98 7:39:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca writes: Who's going to wirte the article? Reed seems to have a lot ofknowledge andRichard Tyree sent me a lot of stuff when I was reconditioning a line.Theyhave enough info to do a bang up job. Funny thing about this article. I had an old line that Ian Kearnyso generously gave to me after I expressed a wish to startfishing with a silk line, but it needed restoring. I asked MarkMetcalf if he would like me to take pictures and write down howI progressed, and he said yes. Now that I am posting my progresson this list, a lot of people have come forth and said they knowpeople better qualified to write this article. No offense intended,but where were they before? Remember a couple of months agoI posted a message urging people to come forth and write forthis magazine? Remember Bret posting the same messageonly last week? Have you read the editorial column in the latestissue of Bamboo Fly Rod? Like I said before, we can exert a hugeinfluence on the content of this magazine - IF WE WRITE SOMEARTICLES AND SEND THEM IN!!!!!! Darryl Hayashida from SalarFly@aol.com Tue Jul 21 12:07:00 1998 Subject: Re: Silk Article In a message dated 7/21/98 8:49:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,sniderja@email.uc.edu writes: I, for one, certainly did not see a reference to other people being "betterqualified," Yes, you are right. I looked at the other messages that suggestedbetter qualified authors and they were on another flyfishing listand private messages directly to me, not on this list. Sorry if I came on a little strong. But, submitting an article or at least writing toMark with an idea for an article still stands. Darryl Hayashida from rclarke@eou.edu Tue Jul 21 12:35:09 1998 Subject: Re: Silk Article Dale, no appolgies needed. Keep up all your good work. You and the otherskeep me going! Robert Clarke ----------From: SalarFly@aol.com Subject: Re: Silk ArticleDate: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 10:05 AM In a message dated 7/21/98 8:49:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,sniderja@email.uc.edu writes: I, for one, certainly did not see a reference to other people being"betterqualified," Yes, you are right. I looked at the other messages that suggestedbetter qualified authors and they were on another flyfishing listand private messages directly to me, not on this list. Sorry if I came on a little strong. But, submitting an article or at least writing toMark with an idea for an article still stands. Darryl Hayashida from RckyMtKane@aol.com Tue Jul 21 13:25:30 1998 Subject: Payne Silk To the Gentleman who ordered the Payne silk colors if you still have somethatwasn't claimed I am interested. Please E-mail me direct. (rckymtkane@aol.com) Thanks Joe from sniderja@email.uc.edu Tue Jul 21 13:47:10 1998 from watson@cape-consult.co.uk Tue Jul 21 14:48:14 1998 (BST) Subject: Re: Fishing Silk Chris,I'd love to be able to make Roscoe and the Catskills but due to anincreasing number of split cane rods can no longer afford a translatlanticplane ticket! But I will look forward to hearing how you get on and hopeyou have a great time doing it!!ThanksTim.-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Fishing Silk Darryl/Tim I have talked to Reed and we plan to do one of the world famousgutty Roscoe gathering anything goes - live and unrehearsed demos -"Restoringa silk line from a pile of gunk " - I have secured 2 such lines that are40+years in the making - it should be a blast. So make plans for Roscoe andtheCatskills for weekend after labor day. BTW I just finished one this weekend that turned out super andcasts like a dream now. On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:04:06 EDT, SalarFly@aol.com wrote: I have a tapered silk line on and would like to get it back in workingcondition if possible. Can someone tell me the best way to do this. Ibelieve it is from the thirties as it is still on the original reelfromthat time.ThanksTim Well, if you can wait a few months there will be a article outon silk line restoration in Bamboo Fly Rod magazine...... Darryl Hayashida from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Tue Jul 21 15:08:56 1998 (1.37.109.24/16.2) id AA244961651; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:07:31 -0700 Subject: Missing Hookkeeper Ring A short while ago I dropped a hookkeeper ring under my desk. I wonder if you all wouldn't mind taking a look under your desks, because it sure as %&*$! isn't under mine. I feel better now. Mac from KDLoup@aol.com Tue Jul 21 15:25:44 1998 Subject: Re: Missing Hookkeeper Ring Mac,Don't feel bad. The black hole that exist in my house sucked up RECwinding checks, hook keepers, nickle silver stripper guides, and a reelseat. Kurt Loup from dhaftel@att.com Tue Jul 21 15:33:20 1998 sender att.com!dhaftel (att.com!dhaftel); Tue Jul 21 15:33 CDT 1998 8.6/EMS-1.2 sol2) (5.5.1960.3) Subject: RE: Missing Hookkeeper Ring Chris, I can relate to that! I have one of those "historic" uneven plank hardwoodfloors that eats things like that! I can't tell you how many snake guides,hooks, etc., I've lost on my floor! Sometimes a magnet on a string draggedacross the floor helps. Sometimes it doesn't and I find the hooks "the hardway"! Good luck! Dennis Haftel -----Original Message-----From: CHRISTOPHER C MCDOWELL [SMTP:mcdowellc@lanecc.edu]Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 4:06 PM Subject: Missing Hookkeeper Ring A short while ago I dropped a hookkeeper ring under my desk. I wonder if you all wouldn't mind taking a look under your desks, because it sure as %&*$! isn't under mine. I feel better now. Mac from Nodewrrior@aol.com Tue Jul 21 16:36:38 1998 Subject: Re: Missing Hookkeeper Ring I swear the hardware fairy (or maybe a Yeti-my place IS a mess) is loosein myapt.Now if She'd leave $$ under my pillow...Nothing is quite like finding a nicely ground snake guide imbedded in youfooteh?Somebody turned a strip tip for butt on me somewhere between initial andfinalplaning last week-at least it didn't make it to the glue binder! (yikes!) Rob from flyrod@artistree.com Tue Jul 21 17:10:29 1998 PAA04986 Subject: Re: Missing Hookkeeper Ring mac-creator="4D4F5353" Gee, I wondered where all those spare parts appearing under my workbench werecoming from....thought God was trying to tell me something :) Chris Wohlford KDLoup@aol.com wrote: Mac,Don't feel bad. The black hole that exist in my house sucked up RECwinding checks, hook keepers, nickle silver stripper guides, and areelseat. Kurt Loup from cphisey@neca.com Tue Jul 21 17:52:49 1998 Subject: Re: where and when is roscoe? At 12:00 PM 7/21/98 -0300, you wrote:I now have seen a couple of references to the above. Could anyone pleasesend some information. On or off listThanksJohn F. McKinnonjmckinnon@ottawa.iti.ca Just got my flyer on the 4th Annual Rodmakers' Gathering to be held atthe Catskill Fly Fishing Museum located in Livingstone Manor,NY.on thebanksof the Willowemoc River.It will be held Sat & Sun September 12 &13,1998.Space is limited and reservations are required.The cost is$35(includes lunch both days).The event is for both vetern rodmakers andforthose who are just thinking of building their first rod.All are welcome toattend. Call to make your reservations;Robert(Willis) Reid or Kim Mellema at (617) 782-2513 evenings.Lodging; Evenings spent hanging out on the porch at the motel are the realreason we have a gathering.Reserve now by calling the Roscoe Motel at(607)498-5220.The motel is on the banks of the famous Beaverkill River astones throw from Junction Pool.I just talked with the hotel and they say the river is in great shape ,whichbodes well for fall fishing.Charlie Hisey from anglport@con2.com Tue Jul 21 18:39:05 1998 Subject: Re: Missing Hookkeeper Ring Mac,I just read your post and fell off my seat laughing. While I was down thereanyway, I figured "What th' ----", I checked it out. No hookkeeper here.Art At 01:06 PM 7/21/98 PDT, you wrote:A short while ago I dropped a hookkeeper ring under my desk. I wonder if you all wouldn't mind taking a look under your desks, because it sure as %&*$! isn't under mine. I feel better now. Mac from flyfisher@cmix.com Tue Jul 21 18:44:55 1998 Subject: RE:Missing Hookkeeper Ring RO>A short while ago I dropped a hookkeeper ring under my desk. I wonderifRO>you all wouldn't mind taking a look under your desks, because it sure asRO>%&*$! isn't under mine. RO>I feel better now. RO>Mac Mac, Just run your chair back and forth, that grinding noise is your missing(fill in the blank) - works every time for me! Don Burns from fquinchat@locl.net Tue Jul 21 19:07:07 1998 (8.8.5/8.7.3) withESMTP id TAA10536 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 Subject: Knurling tool At the Grand Gathering someone gave me a source for jewlers tools. Ihavesince lost the information. Specificly I looking for a knurling tool for working a 3/4" OD on reel seathardware. Also for smaller dia winding checks. Would like to have a veryfine rope design. Anyone have any sources? Thanks, Dennis Bertram from flyfisher@cmix.com Tue Jul 21 20:15:17 1998 Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" RO>Hi Guys;RO>I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Gene Edwards rods. IcanRO>find some information on Eustace, but not much about Gene. I got thisrodRO>to repair, but the owner can't afford to spend what it needs, so IboughtRO>it from him. I probably paid too much, but what the heck, it looks likeitRO>was once a good rod. It is wrapped in red tipped gold, which I gather isRO>typical of all Edwards rods. It has a bakelite uplock reel seat withnicelyRO>knurled aluminum hardware, and the rod is marked in white"made byGeneRO>Edwards". All three sections are short, the tips about 3.5" and the buttRO>needs the ferrule remounted, so it is going to loose about 1". Is thisrodRO>going to be worth the effort of scarfing new bamboo to it , or should IRO>view it as an expensive training operation for if I ever need to repair aRO>really good rod? TIA for any info anyone may have. RO>John Channer John, Did you look at the Classic Angler URL - seems to me that Dick Spurrwrote up a bit on all of the Edwards companys. Look on the pages withall the "articles" on old-time rodmakers. Don Burns from channer@hubwest.com Tue Jul 21 21:33:51 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AFD030020116; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:34:56 MDT Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" At 06:14 PM 7/21/98 -0600, you wrote:RO>Hi Guys;RO>I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Gene Edwards rods. IcanRO>find some information on Eustace, but not much about Gene. I got thisrodRO>to repair, but the owner can't afford to spend what it needs, so IboughtRO>it from him. I probably paid too much, but what the heck, it looks likeitRO>was once a good rod. It is wrapped in red tipped gold, which I gatherisRO>typical of all Edwards rods. It has a bakelite uplock reel seat withnicelyRO>knurled aluminum hardware, and the rod is marked in white"made byGeneRO>Edwards". All three sections are short, the tips about 3.5" and the buttRO>needs the ferrule remounted, so it is going to loose about 1". Is thisrodRO>going to be worth the effort of scarfing new bamboo to it , or should IRO>view it as an expensive training operation for if I ever need to repairaRO>really good rod? TIA for any info anyone may have. RO>John Channer John, Did you look at the Classic Angler URL - seems to me that Dick Spurrwrote up a bit on all of the Edwards companys. Look on the pages withall the "articles" on old-time rodmakers. Don Burns Don;Dick just barely mentions Gene, most of the write up is about the rest ofthe family, even the Value guide doesn't talk about Gene. I have read Dicksbook(umpteen times) and I was hoping someone knew more than what isstillin print. I don't have Martin Keane's book and its not at the locallibrary, maybe someone that does have it , or has seen some can tell memore. John from Fallcreek9@aol.com Tue Jul 21 21:40:38 1998 Subject: Re: Silk Article In a message dated 98-07-21 11:25:49 EDT, you write: Don: Thanks for the experssion of confidence. As it is, the info that I havecame from Reed Curry and Dennis Higham. Actually, the line that shouldbeworked on here has not yet been refurbished. Guess that will be a projectfornext winter. How has the fishing been up your way this season? Our creekhasjust about dried up for the summer. Best Regards,Richard from flyfisher@cmix.com Tue Jul 21 21:47:26 1998 Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" RO>At 06:14 PM 7/21/98 -0600, you wrote:RO>>RO>Hi Guys;RO>>RO>I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Gene Edwardsrods. I canRO>>RO>find some information on Eustace, but not much about Gene. I gotthis roRO>>RO>to repair, but the owner can't afford to spend what it needs, so IboughRO>>RO>it from him. I probably paid too much, but what the heck, it lookslikeRO>>RO>was once a good rod. It is wrapped in red tipped gold, which Igather isRO>>RO>typical of all Edwards rods. It has a bakelite uplock reel seat withRO>nicelyRO>>RO>knurled aluminum hardware, and the rod is marked in white"made RO>>RO>Edwards". All three sections are short, the tips about 3.5" and thebuttRO>>RO>needs the ferrule remounted, so it is going to loose about 1". Isthis rRO>>RO>going to be worth the effort of scarfing new bamboo to it , orshould IRO>>RO>view it as an expensive training operation for if I ever need torepairRO>>RO>really good rod? TIA for any info anyone may have.RO>>RO>>RO>John ChannerRO>>RO>>John,RO>>RO>>Did you look at the Classic Angler URL - seems to me that Dick SpurrRO>>wrote up a bit on all of the Edwards companys. Look on the pages withRO>>all the "articles" on old-time rodmakers.RO>>RO>>Don BurnsRO>>RO>>RO>>RO>>RO>>RO>Don;RO>Dick just barely mentions Gene, most of the write up is about the restofRO>the family, even the Value guide doesn't talk about Gene. I have readDicksRO>book(umpteen times) and I was hoping someone knew more than whatis stillRO>in print. I don't have Martin Keane's book and its not at the localRO>library, maybe someone that does have it , or has seen some can tellme more RO>John John, Contact Martin @ (413) 229-7988 (Mass). Pay him his $10 and get on hisrod list - good stuff. Don Burns from jfoster@gte.net Wed Jul 22 00:22:40 1998 Subject: [Fwd: bamboo rod] 8C341B317035BD9D2C1DABA2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format.-------------- 8C341B317035BD9D2C1DABA2 mac-creator="4D4F5353" Can any one help this lady (?) jerry --------------8C341B317035BD9D2C1DABA2 (InterMail v03.02.04 118 119) with ESMTP SMTPSVC;Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:13:29 -0500 Subject: bamboo rod boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDAF38.4FFF4240" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDAF38.4FFF4240 Hi,I have a "Barracuda" bamboo pole made by the Florida Fishing Tackle MfgCo Inc in St. Petersburg, Fla. It was found in an antique shop in northern Illinois. I am trying to =find outmore information about this rod. I would like to restore it and find =thereel that was used on it. Can you help? ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDAF38.4FFF4240 Hi,I have a made by the Florida Fishing Tackle MfgCo Inc in St. Petersburg, =Fla. It was found in an antique shop in= more information about this = like to restore it and find thereel that was used on =it. Can you =help? ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDAF38.4FFF4240-- --------------8C341B317035BD9D2C1DABA2-- from sjstill@indy.net Wed Jul 22 06:47:24 1998 Subject: Stress curves? Hi All, Forgive my ignorance, but in looking at the Taper Archive, I saw that eachtaper has a stress curve chart. Each is very different. What does thechart signify in terms of use and what should I look for. Broad question Iknow. I'm not an engineer or claim to be (unless it involves duct tape anbaling wire). This is the problem with trying to self-teach - fool for ateacher and student :-( Get to go to the next level tonight - I found a fellow here in Indy whomakes cane rods! Am invited to his house this evening to watch him planetip sections and get questions answered. YEE-HAA! Really lookingforwardto this. If he assists me in building my own rod, what suggestions for afirst timer? I'm partial to 8 - 81/2' rods with slow to medium actions. Regards, Steve Steve Stillabower from sjstill@indy.net Wed Jul 22 06:52:13 1998 Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" Hi Guys;RO>>RO>I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Gene Edwardsrods. I Toughie! I have both the Keane book and AJ Campbell book from the libraryand Gene gets just about the same treatment from both - darn little. Hewas"given" the stock from the Bristol factory and started in on his own at Mt.Carmel, CT. Both Keane and Campbell agree that his rods were among thebetter production rods. Campbell states that "Today, the Gene Edwardsrodsrank very high in the classic lineup" Sorry so little, but hope it helps. Steve Steve Stillabower from jlarnold@lycosmail.com Wed Jul 22 07:18:30 1998 IAA02207; Wed, 22 Jul Subject: Test of Email Please Disregard Test -----------------------------------------------------Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com from anglport@con2.com Wed Jul 22 07:37:20 1998 Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" All,I also just got out the Keane book and read what he has. Gene worked withthe family for years of course but once he got his own place (on p112),"Except for special orders, all...were fitted with a beautiful uplockingreelseat with walnut reel barrel and flared cork grip of modified Paynetype". There was a rod with a celluloid-type seat filler but that was a"Edwards-Bristol" model and was marked with that on one flat and theBristol(diamondshaped) trademark on the opposite flat ( but it doesn't sound likeit had any other markings on it).Don't konw if I helped or confused, but there isn't much more in there torecommend running out and buying a copy if you're only researching the onefellow!Art At 06:53 AM 7/22/98 -0500, you wrote:Hi Guys;RO>>RO>I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Gene Edwardsrods. I Toughie! I have both the Keane book and AJ Campbell book from thelibraryand Gene gets just about the same treatment from both - darn little. Hewas"given" the stock from the Bristol factory and started in on his own at Mt.Carmel, CT. Both Keane and Campbell agree that his rods were among thebetter production rods. Campbell states that "Today, the Gene Edwardsrodsrank very high in the classic lineup" Sorry so little, but hope it helps. Steve Steve Stillabower from cmj@post11.tele.dk Wed Jul 22 08:43:33 1998 (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA7744 +0200 Subject: Sv: Stress curves? Hi Steve I Asked the same questions about stress curves not so long ago, and Sir D,as usual, gave aprecise and clear answer, which I take to be a very good starting pointwhen it comes tounderstanding stress curves. I herewith ask Sir D if I can publish hisexplanation. Sir D, areYou there? As to an 8' rod there is, IMHO two possibilities: PHY Para 15, which is a#5, or Cattanachs 8`two piece #6, which too is a parabolic. Having tried out the Para, all I cansay is: Boy oh boy.Please notice that paras are somewhat different in thier casting style.Never overpower themwhen casting, or they will collapse. Paras are a question of rhytm - findit, and You will besurprised that such a slow rod can throw so much line. (Yes guys, I am a convinced paranatic!) regards, Carsten from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Wed Jul 22 09:15:32 1998 Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:15:17 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Sv: Stress curves? wugate.wustl.edu id JAA04975 As to an 8' rod there is, IMHO two possibilities: PHY Para 15, which is a#5, or Cattanachs 8` two piece #6, which too is a parabolic. Having tried out the Para, all I can say is: Boy oh boy. Please notice that paras are somewhat different in thier casting style. Never overpower them when casting, or they will collapse. Paras are aquestionof rhytm - find it, and You will be surprised that such a slow rod can throw so much line. (Yes guys, I am a convinced paranatic!)regards,Carsten A fellow living just down the road from me asked to see some cane rods about a month back and we went to my casting lawn. I have a football field across the road from my house and quite conviently they leave the lights on untill about 9pm most nights.Mike is the guys name and I handed him the WC 8' #5 and gave him all the usual para advise. He until then only used a #7 graphite.Mike noted it's slowness then gave a couple of false casts and shot the line like a pro. He got all wobbly about it and has since bound his first butt and tip section of his first (nodeless) cane rod.In Mike's words. "Relax Luke, let the Force flow through you". Yoda owned a Driggs ;-). Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from SalarFly@aol.com Wed Jul 22 10:15:33 1998 Subject: Re: Sv: Stress curves? In a message dated 7/22/98 6:44:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,cmj@post11.tele.dk writes: I Asked the same questions about stress curves not so long ago, and SirD,as usual, gave a precise and clear answer, which I take to be a very good starting point when it comes to understanding stress curves. I herewithask Sir D if I can publish his explanation. Sir D, are You there? This is something I posted a long time ago. I saved it since this questionseems to come up every once and a while.Darryl*************************************************************************** In it's most basic use a stress curve shows you how close a split cane rodistobreaking with the weight and length of line you specified. Garrisonbelieved200,000ounces per square inch was a good, safe upper level. In reality you can goupto230,000 or 250,000 without any problems. Garrison himself went up to220,000on his lighter rods. Garrison believed that below the 140,000 point thebamboostopped flexing. Some basic information on stress curves: The X axis is rod length, with the tip on the left and thehandle on the right. The Y axis is ounces per square inch. This sounds likea pressure, as in psi, but it is really a stress measurement.The square inch refers to the area of the cross section ofthe rod at that point. The higher the stress curve goes, the more the rod will bend, taking the curve as a whole. I say this because a reading of 200,000 near the tip, where the rod is thin in diameter is going to bend more than a reading of 200,000 near the handle where the bamboo is thicker. But, if you compare a whole stress curve of one rod to the whole stress curve of another rod, the rod witha higher reading at the same point along the length will bend moreat that point. A stress curve means nothing if you can't relate it to something.The only way you can start to see how a stress curve can helpyou is to graph up the stress curves of real rods and cast them.In my case I didn't have a bunch of rods to try. I had to makethem. I now have a bunch of experimental rods lying around,but fotunately I was able to sell a few of the better experiments.I was also lucky in accidentally making a rod I really like ( a Cattanach taper) on my third attempt, and being able to contrast that to a rod I really didn't like (a Garrison taper). As you get deeper into stress curves you can begin to pick out certaincharacteristics that tell you what kind of action the rod has, or will haveifit hasn't been made yet. A Garrison rod, which I consider to be slow, has awell rounded "hump" near the tip and a fairly slow drop off as it goes towardsthehandle. Let's see if I can do this with ASCII art. || * * | * * *| * * *| * * * | * * * | *| *| *| *| *_*______________________________________________ The rod that I'm always raving about, the Cattanach 7' 0"4 wt, I consider to be fairly fast. It has a stress curve like this: || * | * *| * * | * * | * * | * * *| * * * * * * *| *| *| *_*______________________________________________ The blip near the handle is the Cattanach hinge, and it greatly enhancesrollcasting. Don't forget to put it in. I did and the rod I made was a terrible rollcaster. It isn't as necessary on longer rods, but on shorter rods it's definitelyneeded. A Paul Young Para 15, what is described as a parabolic action looks likethis: || * * * *| * * * *| * * * *| * * * *| * * * *| *| *| *| *| *|*______________________________________________ Looking at this rod, and never having cast one, I would guess that it wouldfeel fairly slow, due to the enhanced bending near the handle, but able to throw a lotofline, due to the stiff mid section. I would also guess that it could roll cast reallywell. There are as many variations of stress curves as there are rodmakers.Thiscovers the slow, fast and parabolic actions. from dpeaston@wzrd.com Wed Jul 22 10:24:01 1998 mail.wzrd.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" Don;Dick just barely mentions Gene, most of the write up is about the rest ofthe family, even the Value guide doesn't talk about Gene. I have read Dicksbook(umpteen times) and I was hoping someone knew more than what isstillin print. I don't have Martin Keane's book and its not at the locallibrary, maybe someone that does have it , or has seen some can tell memore. John Guys, Excuse my bandwith....., Here's what I have on GENE Edwards from A.J. Campbell, "Classic andAntiqueFly fishing Tackle:..." Lyons & Burford (1997). Eustis Edwards, AKA E.William Edwards, was associated with Thomas in Bangor ME until1 1899-1900.After that he produced a small number of rods in his own shop at Brewer,ME. At that time, he was attributed with inventing heat treatment of cane until 1918. In 1919 Winchester Arms purchased E. William Edward'scompany.One notable rod that he made with Winchester was the 7.5' model. In 1925,after leaving Winchester, He founded a new company with his son GENE,E.W.Edwards & Son, in the Mt. Carmel district of New Haven CT. The E.W.Edwardsand Son "Mt. Carmel" rods are thought to be some of the finest productionrods of the era. Eustis (E.W.) Edwards sold out the Mt. Carmel operation tothe Bristol Rod Co. Shortly after the sale, 1n 1931, Eustis died. Hisfather having died, GENE was responsible for the design of the highergradeBristol-Edwards rods made in the Bristol plant with Edwards Machinery.WWIIbrought an end to Bristol's production in 1941-42. Gene moved back to MEand worked for Leon Thomas. In 1945 he went back to Bristol and boughtoutthe company by selling out inventory and building his own rods. During thistime he moved the plant to Mt. Carmel. Production continued Until 1945.Campbell feels that these rods, some made for LL Bean or Abercrombie andFitch, rank "very high in the classic lineup." All the "Deluxe Models"were signed on the shaft with something like "Gene Edwards Deluxe #xx",with xx being the model number.The deluxe rods were all 3 piece andCampbell says are all 9' or 10' rods. Homel's book lists prices for 8.5'and 9'rods. Other models included the "light trout" 7' (2/2). Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from Fishinstix@aol.com Wed Jul 22 11:15:08 1998 Subject: Stress curves? Darryl, That is a great explanation of stress curves, thanks. What did youmean byyou forgot to put in the hinge dimensions in the Cattanach 7' 4 wttaper? Iwas under the impression that the hinge is part of Wayne's publishedtaper rodsmyself and I definitely want to get that part right. Thanks Mark Mills from SalarFly@aol.com Wed Jul 22 11:53:51 1998 Subject: Re: Stress curves? In a message dated 7/22/98 9:20:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,Fishinstix@aol.com writes: What did you mean byyou forgot to put in the hinge dimensions in the Cattanach 7' 4 wttaper? I was under the impression that the hinge is part of Wayne's publishedtaper I experiment a lot with tapers. I have about a dozen rods lying aroundthat are failed experiments. One of the experiments was making thistaper faster (also shorter- 6' 3"). In doing so I thickened the butt, and didn't put in the hinge. Fast rod, but doesn't roll cast at all. Darryl from gwbarnes@gwi.net Wed Jul 22 13:35:52 1998 Subject: Re: Missing Hookkeeper Ring KDLoup@aol.com wrote: Mac,Don't feel bad. The black hole that exist in my house sucked up RECwinding checks, hook keepers, nickle silver stripper guides, and areelseat. Kurt Loup Be glad to share my black hole if yours fills up. Mine, in addition to rodparts, also sucked in a family genealogy in a three ring binder and hasn'tregurgitated in three and a half weeks. Now that's a black hole! GWB from jlintvet@clarityconnect.com Wed Jul 22 16:10:43 1998 mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1);Wed, 22Jul 1998 17:13:49 -0400 Subject: Angles Perhaps someone could explain the math for setting a veritas sharpening jig. Specifically, if I wanted to sharpen a blade to 32 and 35 and 37 degrees, how would I figure out the distance to the end of the blade. i use jigs so the angle is the same every time. Sorry if the question is basic.Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from irvine@bamboorods.org Wed Jul 22 16:10:57 1998 smtp.bamboorods.org (NTMail 3.03.0014/1d.aabx) with ESMTP id qa010364for; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:14:10 -0700 Subject: New Address Have a new address, irvine@bamboorods.org. charlesirvine@compuserve.netwill no longer be valid. Thanks, Chuck from jlintvet@clarityconnect.com Wed Jul 22 16:10:58 1998 mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1);Wed, 22Jul 1998 17:13:49 -0400 Subject: Myths What do you all think the biggest myths are regarding using/purchasing a bamboo rod?Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from jmulvey@mis1.ci.newton.ma.us Wed Jul 22 16:32:35 1998 (envelope- from jmulvey@mis1.ci.newton.ma.us) (envelope- from jmulvey@mis1.ci.newton.ma.us) 1.21);22 Jul 98 17:37:15 EST EST Subject: Re: Myths I'd say the biggest myth is that bamboo is dainty; it is weaker and more easily broken than graphite. That's from the FF@ point of view.Joe Mulvey What do you all think the biggest myths are regarding using/purchasing a bamboo rod?Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from sjstill@indy.net Wed Jul 22 16:44:35 1998 Subject: Re: Myths Heavy. Delicate. Heavy. Heavy. Belongs in a museum, not on the water. My 0.02 Steve Did I mention heavy? What do you all think the biggest myths are regarding using/purchasing a bamboo rod?Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ Steve Stillabower from SalarFly@aol.com Wed Jul 22 16:44:55 1998 Subject: Re: Myths In a message dated 7/22/98 2:35:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,jmulvey@mis1.ci.newton.ma.us writes: I'd say the biggest myth is that bamboo is dainty; it is weaker and more easily broken than graphite. That's from the FF@ point of view.Joe Mulvey That's the biggest myth. Next is all bamboo rods are slow.Darryl from AWood70928@aol.com Wed Jul 22 16:54:04 1998 Subject: Re: Myths Steve, You forgot to mention they weigh a lot from hhholland@erols.com Wed Jul 22 16:54:35 1998 Subject: Re: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" John and all I have an 8 1/2' Edwards Bristol (so marked in very nice yellow script onone flat, with the model #F5-8 1/2 on the flat below it). The triangular"Bristol Built" logo covers both of these flats just forward of the script,which is written toward the tip. I just used it two days ago on thePotomacRiver, making long casts in very clear water with a #5 line, and it did justfine catching a number of smallmouths. Very smooth casting. It's nicelywrapped in orange&black jasper. It's my understanding from the samesourcesothers have quoted, that these Edwards Bristols were indeed designed andmade by Gene. If mine is a typical example, they are very nice productionrods. Hank Holland -----Original Message----- Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" At 06:14 PM 7/21/98 -0600, you wrote:RO>Hi Guys;RO>I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Gene Edwards rods. IcanRO>find some information on Eustace, but not much about Gene. I got thisrodRO>to repair, but the owner can't afford to spend what it needs, so IboughtRO>it from him. I probably paid too much, but what the heck, it looks likeitRO>was once a good rod. It is wrapped in red tipped gold, which I gatherisRO>typical of all Edwards rods. It has a bakelite uplock reel seat withnicelyRO>knurled aluminum hardware, and the rod is marked in white"made byGeneRO>Edwards". All three sections are short, the tips about 3.5" and thebuttRO>needs the ferrule remounted, so it is going to loose about 1". Is thisrodRO>going to be worth the effort of scarfing new bamboo to it , or shouldIRO>view it as an expensive training operation for if I ever need to repairaRO>really good rod? TIA for any info anyone may have. RO>John Channer John, Did you look at the Classic Angler URL - seems to me that Dick Spurrwrote up a bit on all of the Edwards companys. Look on the pages withall the "articles" on old-time rodmakers. Don Burns Don;Dick just barely mentions Gene, most of the write up is about the rest ofthe family, even the Value guide doesn't talk about Gene. I have read Dicksbook(umpteen times) and I was hoping someone knew more than what isstillin print. I don't have Martin Keane's book and its not at the locallibrary, maybe someone that does have it , or has seen some can tell memore. John from GROMBACHERA@phibred.com Wed Jul 22 17:07:21 1998 0500 smap (4.1) Subject: RE: Myths Hey Folks, I had a guide on Loch Leven say to me, "Oh, you brought one of thoseantique rods with you". It is my Leonard. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Myths In a message dated 7/22/98 2:35:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,jmulvey@mis1.ci.newton.ma.us writes: I'd say the biggest myth is that bamboo is dainty; it is weaker and more easily broken than graphite. That's from the FF@ point of view.Joe Mulvey That's the biggest myth. Next is all bamboo rods are slow.Darryl from channer@hubwest.com Wed Jul 22 17:13:39 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A45A3480274; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:14:50 MDT Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" At 06:53 AM 7/22/98 -0500, you wrote:Hi Guys;RO>>RO>I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Gene Edwardsrods. I Toughie! I have both the Keane book and AJ Campbell book from thelibraryand Gene gets just about the same treatment from both - darn little. Hewas"given" the stock from the Bristol factory and started in on his own at Mt.Carmel, CT. Both Keane and Campbell agree that his rods were among thebetter production rods. Campbell states that "Today, the Gene Edwardsrodsrank very high in the classic lineup" Sorry so little, but hope it helps. Steve Steve Stillabower Steve;Thanks, this is more than I knew this morning.John from channer@hubwest.com Wed Jul 22 17:44:47 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ABA7D70017C; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:45:59 MDT Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" At 08:52 AM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote:All,I also just got out the Keane book and read what he has. Gene worked withthe family for years of course but once he got his own place (on p112),"Except for special orders, all...were fitted with a beautiful uplockingreelseat with walnut reel barrel and flared cork grip of modified Paynetype". There was a rod with a celluloid-type seat filler but that was a"Edwards-Bristol" model and was marked with that on one flat and theBristol(diamondshaped) trademark on the opposite flat ( but it doesn't sound likeit had any other markings on it).Don't konw if I helped or confused, but there isn't much more in there torecommend running out and buying a copy if you're only researching theonefellow!Art Art:This one has a bakelite uplock seat with nicely made aluminum threadsabdlock ring and the same kind of cork grip you mentioned, but it is marked"made by Gene Edwards" , the bag is marked Autographed rod by GeneEdwards,Mt. Carmel, Conn. No mention of Bristol, or I probably wouldn't have boughtit, I understand the Bristol rods were mediocre at best. It originally has10 guides on a 7'6" rod, so they must have considered it worth the effort.Strangely shaped male ferrules, the winding shoulder is half the lengthandis barrel shaped , no serrations. The original female is missing, wasreplaced with a plain tube. If anyone knows what the original might havelooked like, please post a description, I am going to have a replacementmade. Thanks John from channer@hubwest.com Wed Jul 22 17:45:34 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ABD4124B0298; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:46:44 MDT Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" At 11:20 AM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote: Don;Dick just barely mentions Gene, most of the write up is about the rest ofthe family, even the Value guide doesn't talk about Gene. I have readDicksbook(umpteen times) and I was hoping someone knew more than what isstillin print. I don't have Martin Keane's book and its not at the locallibrary, maybe someone that does have it , or has seen some can tell memore. John Guys, Excuse my bandwith....., Here's what I have on GENE Edwards from A.J. Campbell, "Classic andAntiqueFly fishing Tackle:..." Lyons & Burford (1997). Eustis Edwards, AKA E.William Edwards, was associated with Thomas in Bangor ME until1 1899-1900.After that he produced a small number of rods in his own shop at Brewer,ME. At that time, he was attributed with inventing heat treatment of cane Edwardsuntil 1918. In 1919 Winchester Arms purchased E. William Edward'scompany.One notable rod that he made with Winchester was the 7.5' model. In1925,after leaving Winchester, He founded a new company with his son GENE,E.W.Edwards & Son, in the Mt. Carmel district of New Haven CT. The E.W.Edwardsand Son "Mt. Carmel" rods are thought to be some of the finest productionrods of the era. Eustis (E.W.) Edwards sold out the Mt. Carmel operation tothe Bristol Rod Co. Shortly after the sale, 1n 1931, Eustis died. Hisfather having died, GENE was responsible for the design of the highergradeBristol-Edwards rods made in the Bristol plant with Edwards Machinery.WWIIbrought an end to Bristol's production in 1941-42. Gene moved back to MEand worked for Leon Thomas. In 1945 he went back to Bristol and boughtoutthe company by selling out inventory and building his own rods. Duringthistime he moved the plant to Mt. Carmel. Production continued Until 1945.Campbell feels that these rods, some made for LL Bean or AbercrombieandFitch, rank "very high in the classic lineup." All the "Deluxe Models"were signed on the shaft with something like "Gene Edwards Deluxe #xx",with xx being the model number.The deluxe rods were all 3 piece andCampbell says are all 9' or 10' rods. Homel's book lists prices for 8.5'and 9'rods. Other models included the "light trout" 7' (2/2). Doug EastonTonawanda, NY Doug;Thanks alot for the quote from Cambell, I hope you didn't hurt your wristtyping all of that. I am going to have to guess that the rod I have is alast era rod, the bag is marked Eugene F. Edwards, Mt Carmel, Conn.Thanks to everybody for all their help, I sure appreciate it. It is nice toknow that I probably didn't throw my money away after all. When I get thisthing stripped and figure out the taper I will post it. John Channer from channer@hubwest.com Wed Jul 22 17:46:13 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ABFDD73017C; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:47:25 MDT Subject: Re: Myths At 05:10 PM 7/22/98 +0000, you wrote:What do you all think the biggest myths are regarding using/purchasing a bamboo rod?Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ Jon;The two biggest myths I can think of are: 1.-they cost a fortune 2.- theyare too fragile to use. John from channer@hubwest.com Wed Jul 22 17:46:52 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AC24124E0298; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:48:04 MDT Subject: Re: Stress curves? At 12:50 PM 7/22/98 EDT, you wrote:In a message dated 7/22/98 9:20:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,Fishinstix@aol.com writes: What did you mean byyou forgot to put in the hinge dimensions in the Cattanach 7' 4 wttaper? I was under the impression that the hinge is part of Wayne's publishedtaper I experiment a lot with tapers. I have about a dozen rods lying aroundthat are failed experiments. One of the experiments was making thistaper faster (also shorter- 6' 3"). In doing so I thickened the butt, and didn't put in the hinge. Fast rod, but doesn't roll cast at all. Darryl Darryl;Could you describe this hinge in terms of rod dimension, i.e., does thetaper increase or decrease at the hinge. Does a sudden jump in difference,say from .015 to say .026 indicate the hinge or a sudden decrease, like from .015 to maybe.010. Also, where should it come in relation to the grip.I can't quite get a handle on this hinge thing. Thanks John(hinge challenged) Channer from channer@hubwest.com Wed Jul 22 17:51:05 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AD20125A0298; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:52:16 MDT Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" At 05:44 PM 7/22/98 -0100, you wrote:John and all I have an 8 1/2' Edwards Bristol (so marked in very nice yellow script onone flat, with the model #F5-8 1/2 on the flat below it). The triangular"Bristol Built" logo covers both of these flats just forward of the script,which is written toward the tip. I just used it two days ago on thePotomacRiver, making long casts in very clear water with a #5 line, and it didjustfine catching a number of smallmouths. Very smooth casting. It's nicelywrapped in orange&black jasper. It's my understanding from the samesourcesothers have quoted, that these Edwards Bristols were indeed designed andmade by Gene. If mine is a typical example, they are very nice productionrods. Hank Holland Hank;It is nice to hear someone that has one say they like it, I only know whatI have read. Please excuse any remarks made in ignorance.John from hhholland@erols.com Wed Jul 22 19:07:00 1998 Subject: Re: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" -----Original Message----- Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" At 05:44 PM 7/22/98 -0100, you wrote:John and all I have an 8 1/2' Edwards Bristol (so marked in very nice yellow script onone flat, with the model #F5-8 1/2 on the flat below it). The triangular"Bristol Built" logo covers both of these flats just forward of thescript,which is written toward the tip. I just used it two days ago on thePotomacRiver, making long casts in very clear water with a #5 line, and it didjustfine catching a number of smallmouths. Very smooth casting. It's nicelywrapped in orange&black jasper. It's my understanding from the samesourcesothers have quoted, that these Edwards Bristols were indeed designedandmade by Gene. If mine is a typical example, they are very niceproductionrods. Hank Holland Hank;It is nice to hear someone that has one say they like it, I only know whatI have read. Please excuse any remarks made in ignorance.John John,No offense taken at all, of course. Although I have never cast one, I haveheard that some of the "plain" Bristols (Non Edwards-Bristol) are fairlycommonplace production rods. I'm not sure if these are ones from beforethetime Edwards became associated with Bristol, or if they were simplycheapermodels. Anyhow, I'll bet yours will turn out to be pretty nice when you getit finished up. Please keep us all informed. Thanks!Hank H. from rcurry@top.monad.net Wed Jul 22 19:16:29 1998 Subject: Re: Gene Edwards 7'6" John,You have an Edwards rod, tis true, but even the Edwards designedBristols were good rods. In fact, if you believe any of the collectorbooks (e.g., Harmon Henkin) you'll find that many consider them greatvalues for good casting rods. My 15 year old fishes an 8'6" Bristol F- 7and likes it fine.As to Gene Edwards, I know a fellow who worked for him for a fewyears.He was, I'm told, a very nice person, excellent craftsman, generousemployer, and, most surprisingly, did not quite starve as a rodmaker.However, fiberglass hit him hard. My friend has a bundle of 50 baitcasting blanks, and more spinning blanks, all cane, made by Gene, whichhe never finished ... couldn't beat those fiberglass prices.Best regards,Reed from thramer@presys.com Wed Jul 22 19:27:39 1998 0000 Subject: Re: Myths Jon Lintvet wrote: What do you all think the biggest myths are regardingusing/purchasing a bamboo rod?Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340- 0194http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ I would have to say that they are for collecting - not for fishing.It is a modern mystery that Marinaro, Bates, Bergman, Haig-Brown, et almanaged to catch any tiny ol' fish without the aid of space age plastic!A.J. (yes I USE them TOO!) Thramer from irvine@bamboorods.org Thu Jul 23 00:09:35 1998 smtp.bamboorods.org (NTMail 3.03.0014/1d.aabx) with ESMTP id oa010388for; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:32:24 -0700 Subject: Myths Guess I must agree with others, Bamboo is fragile and maybe heavy in thelonger rods but I love to show the pics of Kings and Silvers that the olbamboo rods have tamed without a scratch and the pieces of the modernversions that did not fare so well from jwilcox@netsync.net Thu Jul 23 00:16:08 1998 quartz.netsync.net(8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA23315 for; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:11:40-0400 Subject: impregnating rods boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDB5BD.9C82B4E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDB5BD.9C82B4E0 i would like to try impregnating the rod that i'm currently building. =can anyone out there suggest some acrylics or similar resins along with =the source company that i could try. any curing information would also =be helpful. thanks in advance. jim wilcox ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDB5BD.9C82B4E0 i would like to try = acrylics or similar resins along with the source company that i could = wilcox ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01BDB5BD.9C82B4E0-- from Grhghlndr@aol.com Thu Jul 23 00:18:52 1998 Subject: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine List, I still have not received my magazine as of 7/22/98 and I have tried to e-mailthem and I get a message that says no such address. If someone can helpme Iwould like to get ahold of Mark at the mag without making a long distancecall.Bret from tomchandler@earthlink.net Thu Jul 23 00:20:24 1998 Subject: Re: Myths Jon Lintvet wrote: What do you all think the biggest myths are regardingusing/purchasing a bamboo rod?Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340- 0194http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ In addition to everything that's already been said, I'm always confrontedbythe idea that they couldn't possibly be effective fishing tools as theydon't generate 32 bazillion foot pounds of linear torque or supersonic linespeeds, therefore making them unsuited for casting to trout 110 feetaway... Tight lines,TC from anglport@con2.com Thu Jul 23 00:23:07 1998 Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" John,I'm sitting with Keane and Campbell on my lap having a HELLUVA timetryingto type! See below: Art:This one has a bakelite uplock seat with nicely made aluminum threadsabdlock ring and the same kind of cork grip you mentioned, but it is marked"made by Gene Edwards" , the bag is marked Autographed rod by GeneEdwards,Mt. Carmel, Conn. No mention of Bristol, or I probably wouldn't haveboughtit, I understand the Bristol rods were mediocre at best. Apparently "Gene... designed the higher grade Bristol-Edwards series"p143,Campbell; and "Gene was put in charge of the department that built thehigh-grade Edwards-Bristol" p107, Keane. So maybe you shouldn't shunthoseBristols! In Campbell (p145) there is a pic of a rod with a bag bearing a label: GENUINE"Gene Edwards"AUTOGRAPHED RODLength......Weight.....EUGENE F. EDWARDSMT. CARMEL, CONNI didn't notice the pic before you mentioned "Autographed". This particularmodel seemed to be (handwritten in) an 8 footer and I can't read the wt. Mye-mailer won't let me write over the dotted lines. It belonged to ArnoldGingrich.Allen Liu has almost nothing on Gene and little more on his father.Schwiebert has little on Gene as well in "Trout". It originally has10 guides on a 7'6" rod, so they must have considered it worth the effort.Strangely shaped male ferrules, the winding shoulder is half the lengthandis barrel shaped , no serrations. The original female is missing, wasreplaced with a plain tube. If anyone knows what the original might havelooked like, please post a description, I am going to have a replacementmade. Thanks John Happy hunting. Don't know if the new stuff was any more help but it wasfunfinding it.Art from cbogart@shentel.net Thu Jul 23 00:30:55 1998 head.globalcom.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA08043; Wed, 22 Jul1998 22:19:12 -0400 boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.EWIZXX138764=_=_=_"Subject: Medved Beveler --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.EWIZXX138764=_=_=_ To All I have created some PDF files from his word documents of the plansforthe Medved Beveler Plans - I will update in the near future and includesomepictures and Al's updates - I will also post as a pdf file (if you don't havethe accrobat reader - it is free download from Adobe - www.adobe.com) Chris --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.EWIZXX138764=_=_=_ 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--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.EWIZXX138764=_=_=_-- from ragnarig@integrityol.com Thu Jul 23 00:33:07 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACD9592003A; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:40:41 PDT Subject: Re: Sv: Stress curves? .Carsten wrote:Having tried out the Para, all I can say is: Boy oh boy. Yes, Carsten, I think I'd have to agree on all points, yes. (Yes guys, I am a convinced paranatic!)regards,Carsten I never played hooky from the job to go fishing (well, not counting theArmy, but hey) until I had the Driggs. Lately I've been seen to go out inthe back yard after midnight to practice casting to the cats. Should I seekhelp? Davy from irish-george@worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 23 00:38:07 1998 (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP +0000 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine I, too, have not received my magazine as of 7/22/98. George Bourke ----------From: Grhghlndr@aol.com Subject: Bamboo Flyrod MagazineDate: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 7:38 PM List, I still have not received my magazine as of 7/22/98 and I have tried toe-mailthem and I get a message that says no such address. If someone can helpme Iwould like to get ahold of Mark at the mag without making a longdistancecall.Bret from flyfisher@cmix.com Thu Jul 23 00:38:31 1998 (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) 0700 Subject: RE:Myths RO>What do you all think the biggest myths are regardingRO>using/purchasing a bamboo rod?RO> Jon LintvetRO> 8602 Wild Olive StreetRO> Potomac, MD 20854RO> (800) 836-7558RO> (301) 340-0194RO> http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ Expensive, heavy, slow-action, fragile plus long-wait for delivery. No merit to order - just as I thought of them. All can be overcome,IMHO. Don B. from irish-george@worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 23 00:40:21 1998 (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP +0000 Subject: Re: impregnating rods Someone posted a patent number for impregnating bamboo awhile back. Couldsomeoneplease repost it. Thanks,George Bourke ---------- Subject: impregnating rods i would like to try impregnating the rod that i'm currently building. cananyone out there suggest some acrylics or similar resins along with thesource company that i could try. any curing information would also behelpful. thanks in advance. jim wilcox from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Thu Jul 23 01:08:08 1998 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:41:17 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Myths On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Jon Lintvet wrote: What do you all think the biggest myths are regarding using/purchasing a bamboo rod?Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ 1) A new user will somehow fish better with a cane rod than the Loomis he's come to realize isn't going to deliver on all the hype, unless v long casts are the object of the game. 2) That there is something wrong with a slower action. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from cmj@post11.tele.dk Thu Jul 23 01:51:18 1998 be forged)) (InterMail v4.0 217-106) with SMTP +0200 Subject: Sv: Sv: Stress curves? Davy wrote:I never played hooky from the job to go fishing (well, not counting theArmy, but hey) until I had the Driggs. Lately I've been seen to go out inthe back yard after midnight to practice casting to the cats. Should Iseekhelp? Davy Not necessarely. Just be sure You have the required fishing permits, ifsuch are necessary. regardsCarsten from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Thu Jul 23 02:36:42 1998 Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:36:33 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Myths On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Thomas Chandler wrote: In addition to everything that's already been said, I'm always confrontedbythe idea that they couldn't possibly be effective fishing tools as theydon't generate 32 bazillion foot pounds of linear torque or supersoniclinespeeds, therefore making them unsuited for casting to trout 110 feetaway... Tight lines,TC Hell, *people* are unsuited to casting for trout 110 feet away! /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Thu Jul 23 02:41:22 1998 Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:40:37 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Sv: Stress curves? I never played hooky from the job to go fishing (well, not counting theArmy, but hey) until I had the Driggs. Lately I've been seen to go out inthe back yard after midnight to practice casting to the cats. Should Iseekhelp? Davy Help? Aren't you displaying normal behavour? I guess you may be putting in too much time at work. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from flyrod@artistree.com Thu Jul 23 02:53:09 1998 AAA25585 Subject: Re: impregnating rods mac-creator="4D4F5353" George & James,The two patents posted were as follows:1) Bakelite Corporation - Pat. No. 2,352,740 (Method of impregnatingbamboo) 2) W. D. Jordan - Pat. No. 1,617,951 (Impregnated bamboo rod buildingmethod) The U.S. Patent and Trademark OfficePhone: 703-305-4350 or 1-800-786- 9199Web Site: http://www.uspto.gov/ Also, check out article in "The Best of The Planing Form." Best Regards,Chris Wohlford irish-george wrote: Someone posted a patent number for impregnating bamboo awhile back. Couldsomeoneplease repost it. Thanks,George Bourke ----------From: James Wilcox Subject: impregnating rodsDate: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 7:11 PM i would like to try impregnating the rod that i'm currently building. cananyone out there suggest some acrylics or similar resins along with thesource company that i could try. any curing information would also behelpful. thanks in advance. jim wilcox from flyrod@artistree.com Thu Jul 23 03:08:01 1998 BAA26099 Subject: Re: impregnating rods (Correction) mac-creator="4D4F5353" C.J. Wohlford wrote:Sorry, I screwed up Jordan's Patent number. The correct numbers arelistedbelow. 1) Bakelite Corporation - Pat. No. 2,352,740 (Method of impregnatingbamboo)2) W. D. Jordan - Pat. No. 2,532,814 (Impregnated bamboo rod buildingmethod) The U.S. Patent and Trademark OfficePhone: 703-305-4350 or 1-800-786- 9199Web Site: http://www.uspto.gov/ Also, check out article in "The Best of The Planing Form." Best Regards,Chris Wohlford irish-george wrote: Someone posted a patent number for impregnating bamboo awhile back. Couldsomeoneplease repost it. Thanks,George Bourke ----------From: James Wilcox Subject: impregnating rodsDate: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 7:11 PM i would like to try impregnating the rod that i'm currently building. cananyone out there suggest some acrylics or similar resins along withthesource company that i could try. any curing information would also behelpful. thanks in advance. jim wilcox from sjstill@indy.net Thu Jul 23 07:12:03 1998 Subject: I'm hooked! Hi All, Well, I'm well and truly hooked! Got to meet a local maker last night andhe offered to help me with my first cane rod. My wife is not quite asthrilled as I am, but what can I say I was overwhelmed at his selection of rods. He uses a lot of Garrisontapers. He said he started learning when he was a kid from the South BendCo., even has some old cane from them! He did have one rod that knocked my socks off, a 6'-6" for 3 that weighedinat less than 3 oz! I believe that was fully built too, not just the blankweight! So much for a heavy cane rod Bob let me finish plane an extra spline he made for a current project. Ilove the sound the plane makes gliding over the cane! (I got some prettynice shavings too) After I got done with that spline, he looked at me andgrinned and said "Great job! Only 17 more to go!!" Sure knows how todeflate a guy I'm hooked. And I like it! Steve Steve Stillabower from jcole10@juno.com Thu Jul 23 07:23:16 1998 08:22:24 EDT Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine BretHave't received my Magazine yet eather, I figure the post office has ablack hole that's hungry for good reading materials. All that junk mailmail comes through just fine. John ColeOn Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:38:00 EDT Grhghlndr@aol.com writes:List, I still have not received my magazine as of 7/22/98 and I have tried to e- mailthem and I get a message that says no such address. If someone can help me Iwould like to get ahold of Mark at the mag without making a long distancecall.Bret _____________________________________________________________________You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e- mail.Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.comOr call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654- 5866] from dickfuhrman@rheemote.com Thu Jul 23 07:53:07 1998 (may be forged)) Subject: Re: impregnating rods RO>Someone posted a patent number for impregnating bamboo awhile back. CouldRO>someoneRO>please repost it. RO>Thanks,RO>George Bourke RO>----------RO>From: James Wilcox RO>Subject: impregnating rodsRO>Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 7:11 PM RO>i would like to try impregnating the rod that i'm currently building. canRO>anyone out there suggest some acrylics or similar resins along withtheRO>source company that i could try. any curing information would also beRO>helpful. thanks in advance. jim wilcox When those patent numbers were posted, I called and ordered both patentdescriptions. Save your money, One is of an up-locking reelseat, andthe one on impregnating just gives a general description of soaking thebamboo in a water soluble solution. No details of what was actuallyused in the solution. The patent numbers are at home, so I will postthem later if some one wants to spend their money. Dick Fuhrman from dpeaston@wzrd.com Thu Jul 23 08:21:10 1998 mail.wzrd.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" [Correction] At 11:20 AM 7/22/98 -0400, Douglas P. Easton wrote: Hisfather having died, GENE was responsible for the design of the highergradeBristol-Edwards rods made in the Bristol plant with Edwards Machinery.WWIIbrought an end to Bristol's production in 1941-42. Gene moved back to MEand worked for Leon Thomas. In 1945 he went back to Bristol and boughtoutthe company by selling out inventory and building his own rods. Duringthistime he moved the plant to Mt. Carmel. Production continued Until1945.**Correction** 1955 Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from eestlow@srminc.com Thu Jul 23 08:23:24 1998 Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:29:22 -0500 Subject: Re: I'm hooked! If I may be allowed a comment - isn't this what this gig is all about?Thanks for the commentary and the youthful exuberance Steve! -Ed Steve Stillabower on 07/23/98 07:13:30 AM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: I'm hooked! Hi All, Well, I'm well and truly hooked! Got to meet a local maker last night andhe offered to help me with my first cane rod. My wife is not quite asthrilled as I am, but what can I say I was overwhelmed at his selection of rods. He uses a lot of Garrisontapers. He said he started learning when he was a kid from the South BendCo., even has some old cane from them! He did have one rod that knocked my socks off, a 6'-6" for 3 that weighedinat less than 3 oz! I believe that was fully built too, not just the blankweight! So much for a heavy cane rod Bob let me finish plane an extra spline he made for a current project. Ilove the sound the plane makes gliding over the cane! (I got some prettynice shavings too) After I got done with that spline, he looked at me andgrinned and said "Great job! Only 17 more to go!!" Sure knows how todeflate a guy I'm hooked. And I like it! Steve Steve Stillabower from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Thu Jul 23 09:30:21 1998 post.interalpha.net(8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA29816 for ;Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:34:56+0100 Subject: Re: Missing Hookkeeper Ring At 13:06 21/07/98 PDT, you wrote:A short while ago I dropped a hookkeeper ring under my desk. I wonder if you all wouldn't mind taking a look under your desks, because it sure as %&*$! isn't under mine. I feel better now. Mac Oh grief: I LOVED this little mail. Laughed long enough to lift a wet day. John Cooper from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Thu Jul 23 09:30:24 1998 post.interalpha.net(8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA29846 for ;Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:35:13+0100 Subject: Re: Yoda's rod In Mike's words. "Relax Luke, let the Force flow through you". Yoda owned a Driggs ;-). Tony I doubted the likelyhood of this statement when I read the mail above. But,my friend Duke Backstabber, who met Yoda just before he (Yoda) died,confirmed that he did indeed fish a Driggs, and with remarkable results.Duke reported that there was very little room for backcasts on Yoda'sDagobatrout waters: it was all roll casting. That was all a long time ago, ofcourse. These days, he'd probably have a Cattanach 7'0" with hinge. JC. from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Thu Jul 23 09:55:12 1998 batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id JAA22747 for; Thu, (8.8.4/8.6.8) with SMTP idJAA03775 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:55:10 Subject: Re: Angles This lovely ascii diagram shows the base of the jig upside down, withthe wheel sticking up: ___ -/ \ || o | |\___/ A| | || | || | |front edge of jig -> ================ - |____B___| Measure the distance from the base of the jig, where the bladesets, to the bottom of the wheel (A), and the distance from the frontedge of the jig to the point directly over the wheel (B). Thenthe length the blade sticks out from the front of the jig, for a sharpening angle of T degrees, should be AL = ------ - Bsin(T) As I recall, A is about 1 inch and B is about 1 inch, sin(35)=0.574 sothe blade would stick out 0.743 for a 35 degree angle, for this example. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Jon Lintvet wrote: Perhaps someone could explain the math for setting a veritas sharpening jig. Specifically, if I wanted to sharpen a blade to 32 and 35 and 37 degrees, how would I figure out the distance to the end of the blade. i use jigs so the angle is the same every time. Sorry if the question is basic.Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from sjstill@indy.net Thu Jul 23 09:58:41 1998 Subject: DRAT! Drat it all, Just installed a scanner (more new toys) and wouldn't you know it, myEudorapuked on me - I lost all my saved posts, address, etc! :-( This bites.... Steve from tomchandler@earthlink.net Thu Jul 23 10:35:49 1998 Subject: Re: Myths Hell, *people* are unsuited to casting for trout 110 feet away! My point exactly... 8-) tight lines,TC from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Jul 23 11:37:45 1998 Subject: Hinges (Was:Stress curves?) In a message dated 7/22/98 3:52:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,channer@hubwest.com writes: Could you describe this hinge in terms of rod dimension, i.e., does thetaper increase or decrease at the hinge. Does a sudden jump indifference,say from .015 to say .026 indicate the hinge or a sudden decrease, like from .015 to maybe.010. Also, where should it come in relation to thegrip.I can't quite get a handle on this hinge thing. Thanks A hinge is an area on the rod that will bend more relative tothe rod immediately on each side. What it does is allows therod to lift the line up off the water at the beginning of a roll cast, and directs the energy of a cast slightly up or horizontal to the water surface. Without a hinge the rod tends to rip the line offof the water surface - spooking every fish within 25 yards, anddirect the energy of the cast slightly downward. Without thehinge I tended to get severe shock waves at the top of the loopduring a roll cast. Now a good caster who really knows his rodand practices casting with it a lot can compensate for all of this.I was with that 6' 3" modified to be faster, without the hinge taper,except the shock waves at the top of the loop. They stayed nomatter what I did. Basically a hinge is a relatively quick rise in the stress curve 15to 20 inches from the front of the handle - on a 7' rod. Dependingon the length and how fast the rod is, this may change. I doubta hinge is needed on a 9' rod, and may not be needed on an 8'rod, unless it is very fast. On rods shorter than 7' 6" I would alwaysput it in, unless you are never going to roll cast. To achieve this quick rise in the stress curve can involve severalthings depending on the length of the rod and weight of the linebeing cast. On a longer, heavier line weight rod a reduction inthe rate of increase of the taper will do it. In other words, the diameter will be larger, just not as much as it had been increasing.On shorter rods it may involve the diameter staying the same overa 5 inch section, and on a 5' 2 weight it may involve actually reducingthe diameter. Placement of a hinge I feel depends on the length of the rod. Myplaying around with tapers seems to point towards about 60 to65 percent of the total length of the rod should be betweenthe tip and the hinge. Some rod designs already have the functionality of a hinge builtin. The way the stress curve rises near the handle in a Paul Youngparabolic takes care of what a hinge would do. The slownessof a Garrison, and most Orvis rods makes a hinge unnecessary. Darryl Hayashida from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Thu Jul 23 12:07:00 1998 batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id MAA24138 for; Thu, (8.8.4/8.6.8) with SMTP idMAA26314 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:06:57 Subject: Re: Angles Well, so much for doing trig before the coffee has taken effect.It should be AL = ------ - Btan(T) The blade and the wheel form two sides of a right triangle, with thesharpening stone the hypothenuse.--Frank Stetzer On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Frank Stetzer wrote: This lovely ascii diagram shows the base of the jig upside down, withthe wheel sticking up: ___ -/ \ || o | |\___/ A| | || | || | |front edge of jig -> ================ - |____B___| Measure the distance from the base of the jig, where the bladesets, to the bottom of the wheel (A), and the distance from the frontedge of the jig to the point directly over the wheel (B). Thenthe length the blade sticks out from the front of the jig, for a sharpening angle of T degrees, should be AL = ------ - Bsin(T) As I recall, A is about 1 inch and B is about 1 inch, sin(35)=0.574 sothe blade would stick out 0.743 for a 35 degree angle, for this example. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Jon Lintvet wrote: Perhaps someone could explain the math for setting a veritas sharpening jig. Specifically, if I wanted to sharpen a blade to 32 and 35 and 37 degrees, how would I figure out the distance to the end of the blade. i use jigs so the angle is the same every time. Sorry if the question is basic.Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from thramer@presys.com Thu Jul 23 12:07:13 1998 0000 Subject: Re: Hinges (Was:Stress curves?) SalarFly@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/22/98 3:52:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,channer@hubwest.com writes: Could you describe this hinge in terms of rod dimension, i.e., does thetaper increase or decrease at the hinge. Does a sudden jump indifference,say from .015 to say .026 indicate the hinge or a sudden decrease, like from .015 to maybe.010. Also, where should it come in relation to thegrip.I can't quite get a handle on this hinge thing. Thanks A hinge is an area on the rod that will bend more relative tothe rod immediately on each side. What it does is allows therod to lift the line up off the water at the beginning of a roll cast,and directs the energy of a cast slightly up or horizontal to thewater surface. Without a hinge the rod tends to rip the line offof the water surface - spooking every fish within 25 yards, anddirect the energy of the cast slightly downward. Without thehinge I tended to get severe shock waves at the top of the loopduring a roll cast. Now a good caster who really knows his rodand practices casting with it a lot can compensate for all of this.I was with that 6' 3" modified to be faster, without the hinge taper,except the shock waves at the top of the loop. They stayed nomatter what I did. Basically a hinge is a relatively quick rise in the stress curve 15to 20 inches from the front of the handle - on a 7' rod. Dependingon the length and how fast the rod is, this may change. I doubta hinge is needed on a 9' rod, and may not be needed on an 8'rod, unless it is very fast. On rods shorter than 7' 6" I would alwaysput it in, unless you are never going to roll cast. To achieve this quick rise in the stress curve can involve severalthings depending on the length of the rod and weight of the linebeing cast. On a longer, heavier line weight rod a reduction inthe rate of increase of the taper will do it. In other words, thediameter will be larger, just not as much as it had been increasing.On shorter rods it may involve the diameter staying the same overa 5 inch section, and on a 5' 2 weight it may involve actually reducingthe diameter. Placement of a hinge I feel depends on the length of the rod. Myplaying around with tapers seems to point towards about 60 to65 percent of the total length of the rod should be betweenthe tip and the hinge. Some rod designs already have the functionality of a hinge builtin. The way the stress curve rises near the handle in a Paul Youngparabolic takes care of what a hinge would do. The slownessof a Garrison, and most Orvis rods makes a hinge unnecessary. Darryl HayashidaThe hinge was a standard feature of Payne non para rods, all Granger andPhillipson rods, the Leonard rods that worked.A.J.Thramer from flyrod@artistree.com Thu Jul 23 12:19:03 1998 KAA11835 Subject: Re: impregnating rods mac-creator="4D4F5353" Dick, I owe you an apology. I incorrectly gave you the Jordan Reel seatnumberin that original post. The Jordan impregnation method number is asfollows Pat.#2,532,814. The Patent is approx. 4 pages long with very detaileddescriptionson his method. Much, much more than the Bakelite Patent. Although theresin heuses might not be available I bet with a little ingenuity one might find asubstitute based on the "Best of the Planing Form" article. Wish my copywasgood enough to scan & post. Again, I'm sorry about the screw up. Best Regards,Chris Wohlford When those patent numbers were posted, I called and ordered both patentdescriptions. Save your money, One is of an up-locking reelseat, andthe one on impregnating just gives a general description of soaking thebamboo in a water soluble solution. No details of what was actuallyused in the solution. The patent numbers are at home, so I will postthem later if some one wants to spend their money. Dick Fuhrman from flyfisher@nextdim.com Thu Jul 23 12:26:23 1998 (SMTPD32-4.03) id A03C4ED0012A; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:17:48 PDT Subject: Re: I'm hooked! You will get inflated again, once you have finished your first rod!Dell Coppock,"IN THE GREAT NORTHWEST"http://www.trwebsites.com/dell/e-mail flyfisher@nextdim.com-----Original Message----- Subject: I'm hooked! Hi All, Well, I'm well and truly hooked! Got to meet a local maker last night andhe offered to help me with my first cane rod. My wife is not quite asthrilled as I am, but what can I say I was overwhelmed at his selection of rods. He uses a lot of Garrisontapers. He said he started learning when he was a kid from the SouthBendCo., even has some old cane from them! He did have one rod that knocked my socks off, a 6'-6" for 3 that weighedinat less than 3 oz! I believe that was fully built too, not just the blankweight! So much for a heavy cane rod Bob let me finish plane an extra spline he made for a current project. Ilove the sound the plane makes gliding over the cane! (I got some prettynice shavings too) After I got done with that spline, he looked at me andgrinned and said "Great job! Only 17 more to go!!" Sure knows how todeflate a guy I'm hooked. And I like it! Steve Steve Stillabower from channer@hubwest.com Thu Jul 23 16:21:48 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A9AD61201E4; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:22:53 MDT Subject: RE:Gene Edwards 7'6" At 11:52 PM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote:John,I'm sitting with Keane and Campbell on my lap having a HELLUVA timetryingto type! See below: Apparently "Gene... designed the higher grade Bristol-Edwards series"p143,Campbell; and "Gene was put in charge of the department that built thehigh-grade Edwards-Bristol" p107, Keane. So maybe you shouldn't shunthoseBristols! In Campbell (p145) there is a pic of a rod with a bag bearing a label: GENUINE"Gene Edwards"AUTOGRAPHED RODLength......Weight.....EUGENE F. EDWARDSMT. CARMEL, CONNI didn't notice the pic before you mentioned "Autographed". Thisparticularmodel seemed to be (handwritten in) an 8 footer and I can't read the wt.Mye-mailer won't let me write over the dotted lines. It belonged to ArnoldGingrich.Allen Liu has almost nothing on Gene and little more on his father.Schwiebert has little on Gene as well in "Trout". Happy hunting. Don't know if the new stuff was any more help but it wasfunfinding it.Art Art;That is exactly what is on the bag for my rod! Maybe the negative things Ihave read about Bristols just prove that you can't believe everything youread. ThanksJohn from channer@hubwest.com Thu Jul 23 16:33:25 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AC6B14270298; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:34:35 MDT Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine At 08:25 AM 7/23/98 -0400, you wrote:BretHave't received my Magazine yet eather, I figure the post office has ablack hole that's hungry for good reading materials. All that junk mailmail comes through just fine. John ColeOn Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:38:00 EDT Grhghlndr@aol.com writes:List, I still have not received my magazine as of 7/22/98 and I have tried to e- mailthem and I get a message that says no such address. If someone can help me Iwould like to get ahold of Mark at the mag without making a long distancecall.Bret You guys have a bamboo nut in your post offices and he is getting to yourmagazines first. ohn from channer@hubwest.com Thu Jul 23 16:40:26 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AE0D2CD5013C; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:41:33 MDT Subject: Re: Hinges (Was:Stress curves?) At 12:36 PM 7/23/98 EDT, you wrote:In a message dated 7/22/98 3:52:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,channer@hubwest.com writes: Could you describe this hinge in terms of rod dimension, i.e., does thetaper increase or decrease at the hinge. Does a sudden jump indifference,say from .015 to say .026 indicate the hinge or a sudden decrease, like from .015 to maybe.010. Also, where should it come in relation to thegrip.I can't quite get a handle on this hinge thing. Thanks A hinge is an area on the rod that will bend more relative tothe rod immediately on each side. What it does is allows therod to lift the line up off the water at the beginning of a roll cast, and directs the energy of a cast slightly up or horizontal to the water surface. Without a hinge the rod tends to rip the line offof the water surface - spooking every fish within 25 yards, anddirect the energy of the cast slightly downward. Without thehinge I tended to get severe shock waves at the top of the loopduring a roll cast. Now a good caster who really knows his rodand practices casting with it a lot can compensate for all of this.I was with that 6' 3" modified to be faster, without the hinge taper,except the shock waves at the top of the loop. They stayed nomatter what I did. Basically a hinge is a relatively quick rise in the stress curve 15to 20 inches from the front of the handle - on a 7' rod. Dependingon the length and how fast the rod is, this may change. I doubta hinge is needed on a 9' rod, and may not be needed on an 8'rod, unless it is very fast. On rods shorter than 7' 6" I would alwaysput it in, unless you are never going to roll cast. To achieve this quick rise in the stress curve can involve severalthings depending on the length of the rod and weight of the linebeing cast. On a longer, heavier line weight rod a reduction inthe rate of increase of the taper will do it. In other words, the diameter will be larger, just not as much as it had been increasing.On shorter rods it may involve the diameter staying the same overa 5 inch section, and on a 5' 2 weight it may involve actually reducingthe diameter. Placement of a hinge I feel depends on the length of the rod. Myplaying around with tapers seems to point towards about 60 to65 percent of the total length of the rod should be betweenthe tip and the hinge. Some rod designs already have the functionality of a hinge builtin. The way the stress curve rises near the handle in a Paul Youngparabolic takes care of what a hinge would do. The slownessof a Garrison, and most Orvis rods makes a hinge unnecessary. Darryl Hayashida Darryl;Thanks very much for your explanation, the bulb is glowing and I hope itwill be fully lit soon. I will save this to file and read it every nitebefore I go to bed until I have it memorized. John from channer@hubwest.com Thu Jul 23 16:42:40 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AE8D43C01F2; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:43:41 MDT Subject: Re: I'm hooked! At 07:13 AM 7/23/98 -0500, you wrote:Hi All, Well, I'm well and truly hooked! Got to meet a local maker last night andhe offered to help me with my first cane rod. My wife is not quite asthrilled as I am, but what can I say I was overwhelmed at his selection of rods. He uses a lot of Garrisontapers. He said he started learning when he was a kid from the SouthBendCo., even has some old cane from them! He did have one rod that knocked my socks off, a 6'-6" for 3 that weighedinat less than 3 oz! I believe that was fully built too, not just the blankweight! So much for a heavy cane rod Bob let me finish plane an extra spline he made for a current project. Ilove the sound the plane makes gliding over the cane! (I got some prettynice shavings too) After I got done with that spline, he looked at me andgrinned and said "Great job! Only 17 more to go!!" Sure knows how todeflate a guy I'm hooked. And I like it! Steve Steve Stillabower Steve;You have my deepest sympathy. You can now kiss your free time, extramoneyand your wife goodbye, you will never see any of them again. Make sureyourshop is user friendly and has a good stereo, a fridge wouldn't hurt and ifit is big enough for a cot, then so much the better. If you have money isthe bank for the kids college education, get it put in your wife's name soyou can't get at it and it is a real good idea to cancel all your creditcards. All kidding aside, welcome to the nut house! John Channer from rclarke@eou.edu Thu Jul 23 18:17:12 1998 Subject: Re: I'm hooked! John, i have been spending all of my free time in a hot garage, sweatingover a planing form, and loving every minute of it. I know what you mean! Robert Clarke ----------Steve;You have my deepest sympathy. You can now kiss your free time, extramoneyand your wife goodbye, you will never see any of them again. Make sureyourshop is user friendly and has a good stereo, a fridge wouldn't hurt andifit is big enough for a cot, then so much the better. If you have money isthe bank for the kids college education, get it put in your wife's namesoyou can't get at it and it is a real good idea to cancel all your creditcards. All kidding aside, welcome to the nut house! John Channer from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Thu Jul 23 20:09:37 1998 Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:09:27 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Yoda's rod On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, J.Cooper wrote: In Mike's words. "Relax Luke, let the Force flow through you". Yodaowned a Driggs ;-). Tony I doubted the likelyhood of this statement when I read the mail above.But,my friend Duke Backstabber, who met Yoda just before he (Yoda) died,confirmed that he did indeed fish a Driggs, and with remarkable results.Duke reported that there was very little room for backcasts on Yoda'sDagobatrout waters: it was all roll casting. That was all a long time ago, ofcourse. These days, he'd probably have a Cattanach 7'0" with hinge. JC.Joking aside, what you say re roll casting is true and is the only "fault" I can see with the Driggs particually if you use a WF line which I think is the line to use with this rod because as you know it realy throws a line. The best thing to do is have a matched set of a Driggs and Sir D. I have half this set in that my son has a Sir D, now all I've got to do is make another Driggs or two. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from WDHCJL@aol.com Thu Jul 23 20:24:53 1998 Subject: Re: impregnating rods In a message dated 98-07-23 13:25:59 EDT, you write: Just a thought but...what about adding that as an attachment for thoseinterested. from WDHCJL@aol.com Thu Jul 23 20:28:30 1998 Subject: Re: Text Copy on Responses I don't know if I am alone but.... Sometimes I don't need the entire postcopied over into the response in order to get the "jist" of the original post.It would just cut down on what I have to scroll thru not to mention thearchive space. Just a thought we could ponder.thanks from jmckinnon@ottawa.iti.ca Thu Jul 23 20:40:02 1998 23 Jul 98 21:35:43 -0500 0500 23 Jul 98 21:35:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Text Copy on Responses I think that it is important for some to see what the original post was orelse it could get us confused. We might think it is about one thing and itis realy about another. I for one am like this, it also helps when you printsomething that has many points of view from the list.-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Text Copy on Responses I don't know if I am alone but.... Sometimes I don't need the entire postcopied over into the response in order to get the "jist" of the originalpost.It would just cut down on what I have to scroll thru not to mention thearchive space. Just a thought we could ponder.thanks from bmeyer@inlink.com Thu Jul 23 21:24:19 1998 Subject: Where do I get good bamboo? I am new to the bamboo fly rod making process and would like to knowwhereto get a small quantity of good bamboo. I do not think I will betravelling to China in the near future... from bmeyer@inlink.com Thu Jul 23 21:28:06 1998 Subject: Where do I get bamboo? I have been looking for a small quantity of good bamboo. Any suggestions? Is the native bamboo that grows in central Florida worth using?Brian Meyer from jparker@union-tel.com Thu Jul 23 21:53:46 1998 release (PO205-101c) ID# 601-42025U5000L500S0) with SMTP Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:53:36 -0600 Subject: Re: Nice article Joe,Although we have not met I must say I have heard some nice things aboutyour rods. Congratulations on the artice Ed did in the Angler's Journal onyou and your rods. I moved last year from up-state NY to Wyoming and Iam finally getting settled in. If I am ever in the Denver area I will givea call and perhaps we can have cup of coffee. Also , if you are in theSaratoga area , give a call.Again, nice article ---keep up the good work. Jon ParkerParker RodsPO Box 1379Saratoga, WY 82331307-326-5058 from jparker@union-tel.com Thu Jul 23 21:57:42 1998 release (PO205-101c) ID# 601-42025U5000L500S0) with SMTP Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:57:37 -0600 Subject: Re: Sorry All,Sorry for sending mail on the list. Darn machine must have a bug in it.Jon Parker from richjez@enteract.com Thu Jul 23 22:10:40 1998 0000 (147.126.253.18) Subject: Re: Angles You're lucky it only takes coffee for trig to take effect. There are thoseof us who are math impaired and it would take something considerablymorepowerful than coffee for my brain to do trig. When Jon asked his question, I was hoping someone would post somethinglike1" for ?? degree angle. I assume that you were following the philosophy of giving a man a fish vsteaching him to fish. Good philosophy unless dealing with the handicapped. Thanks for the help. Off to bug a math literate friend. Rich Jezioro At 12:06 PM 7/23/98 -0500, you wrote:Well, so much for doing trig before the coffee has taken effect.It should be AL = ------ - Btan(T) The blade and the wheel form two sides of a right triangle, with thesharpening stone the hypothenuse.--Frank Stetzer On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Frank Stetzer wrote: This lovely ascii diagram shows the base of the jig upside down, withthe wheel sticking up: ___ -/ \ || o | |\___/ A| | || | || | |front edge of jig -> ================ - |____B___| Measure the distance from the base of the jig, where the bladesets, to the bottom of the wheel (A), and the distance from the frontedge of the jig to the point directly over the wheel (B). Thenthe length the blade sticks out from the front of the jig, for a sharpening angle of T degrees, should be AL = ------ - Bsin(T) As I recall, A is about 1 inch and B is about 1 inch, sin(35)=0.574 sothe blade would stick out 0.743 for a 35 degree angle, for this example. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Jon Lintvet wrote: Perhaps someone could explain the math for setting a veritas sharpening jig. Specifically, if I wanted to sharpen a blade to 32 and 35 and 37 degrees, how would I figure out the distance to the end of the blade. i use jigs so the angle is the same every time. Sorry if the question is basic.Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro @ /||/______/_||_________________________________________|| /\ / \ > > from greenbackcut@juno.com Thu Jul 23 22:25:27 1998 23:24:48 EDT Subject: Pictures from Greyrock I was not able to attend Greyrock this year but understand that there aresome pictures of the event posted at various sites. If anyone is willingwould you please post or repost where these photographic gems of thegathering can be found? Thank you! Jim Kubichek _____________________________________________________________________You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e- mail.Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.comOr call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654- 5866] from Canerods@aol.com Thu Jul 23 23:30:02 1998 Subject: Re: DRAT! In a message dated 98-07-23 11:03:32 EDT, you write: Well, this would be a good time to see if your BIOS is Y2K happy too - myBIOSfails. Change your clock to Dec 31, 1999 @ 11:57PM and then shut your computeroff.Wait 5 minutes (or so) and then turn back on. If your clock reads Jan 01,2000@ 12:02AM (or so) then you're lucky to have a good Y2K BIOS in yourcomputer. DO NOT just reboot W95 - shutdown W95 and turn off the computer off and thenturn it back on after 5 minutes or more. Don Burns PS - My BIOS resets the year to 1980! But if I reset my clock to Jan 01,2000@ 12:01AM and shutdown/reboot, the computer comes back up with thecorrecttime/date. So I'm not going to upgrade my BIOS I guess. from saweiss@flash.net Thu Jul 23 23:38:33 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine -----Original Message----- Subject: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine List,I still have not received my magazine as of 7/22/98 and I have tried toe- mailthem and I get a message that says no such address. If someone can helpmeIwould like to get ahold of Mark at the mag without making a long distancecall.Bret Bret, are you using bam-fly@pacbell.netSteve Weiss from WayneCatt@aol.com Fri Jul 24 00:18:08 1998 Subject: Re: Yoda's rod It's now several years ago that I walked into a fly shop, and in doing soI came to meet my closest friend - a brother of sorts. In our shortconversation I learned that he was serious about his fishing and that hecouldtie a decent fly. On the second or so trip back he invited me to go fishingand later to his hangout - the Chicken Coop. He knew I made rods and that Ialways had our son with me to fish. He too had a son of the same age andhewas always with his dad as well. Midway through the summer hementioned thathe wanted a rod to fish the west with and also to toss some big bugslocally. that I had missed him. The story I heard in the spring is that he got into a contest of sortswith another flyfisher in attempting to cast to a fish that was feedingmidstream. The rod did what it was designed to do. The talk at the Coop wasofthe force of the rod and with the last of the Triology having just been outthe taper affectionately became 'The Force' as in 'May the Force be withyou'.Perhaps an explaination would be that the character of the person andthe character of the rod matched. A certain oneness if you will. But aseachof us are different then too the matching rod would be different as well.Andgiven that a bamboo rod does carry with it part of the soul of the makerthena more fitting victory cry might be - 'May the Friend be with you'. from tbeckfam@pacbell.net Fri Jul 24 02:23:54 1998 mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id AAA09673 for Subject: Re: I'm hooked! john channer wrote: At 07:13 AM 7/23/98 -0500, you wrote:Hi All, Well, I'm well and truly hooked! Got to meet a local maker last nightandhe offered to help me with my first cane rod. My wife is not quite asthrilled as I am, but what can I say I was overwhelmed at his selection of rods. He uses a lot of Garrisontapers. He said he started learning when he was a kid from the SouthBendCo., even has some old cane from them! He did have one rod that knocked my socks off, a 6'-6" for 3 thatweighed inat less than 3 oz! I believe that was fully built too, not just the blankweight! So much for a heavy cane rod Bob let me finish plane an extra spline he made for a current project. Ilove the sound the plane makes gliding over the cane! (I got some prettynice shavings too) After I got done with that spline, he looked at meandgrinned and said "Great job! Only 17 more to go!!" Sure knows how todeflate a guy I'm hooked. And I like it! Steve Steve Stillabower Steve;You have my deepest sympathy. You can now kiss your free time, extramoneyand your wife goodbye, you will never see any of them again. Make sureyourshop is user friendly and has a good stereo, a fridge wouldn't hurt and ifit is big enough for a cot, then so much the better. If you have money isthe bank for the kids college education, get it put in your wife's name soyou can't get at it and it is a real good idea to cancel all your creditcards. All kidding aside, welcome to the nut house! John Channer And my wife Thought I was bad when I was only a fly tying nut!Traver Becker from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Jul 24 02:30:13 1998 Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:30:03 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: DRAT! Well, this would be a good time to see if your BIOS is Y2K happy too - myBIOSfails. Change your clock to Dec 31, 1999 @ 11:57PM and then shut yourcomputer off.Wait 5 minutes (or so) and then turn back on. If your clock reads Jan 01,2000@ 12:02AM (or so) then you're lucky to have a good Y2K BIOS in yourcomputer. DO NOT just reboot W95 - shutdown W95 and turn off the computer offand thenturn it back on after 5 minutes or more. Don Burns PS - My BIOS resets the year to 1980! But if I reset my clock to Jan 01,2000@ 12:01AM and shutdown/reboot, the computer comes back up with thecorrecttime/date. So I'm not going to upgrade my BIOS I guess. The realy neat thing if it can be called that is that if your BIOS fails Y2K it'll return back to April Fool's Day 1980. Someone tell me Bill isn't just chorteling with mirth over that. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from tbeckfam@pacbell.net Fri Jul 24 02:32:52 1998 mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id AAA11227 for Subject: Re: Sv: Sv: Stress curves? Carsten Jorgensen - Dania Flyrods wrote: Davy wrote:I never played hooky from the job to go fishing (well, not counting theArmy, but hey) until I had the Driggs. Lately I've been seen to go out inthe back yard after midnight to practice casting to the cats. Should Iseekhelp? Davy Not necessarely. Just be sure You have the required fishing permits, ifsuch are necessary. regardsCarsten A "catfish" is a lot of fun on a 5 weight any time of day or night. from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Jul 24 02:33:09 1998 Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:32:02 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Yoda's rod On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 WayneCatt@aol.com wrote: It's now several years ago that I walked into a fly shop, and in doingsoI came to meet my closest friend - a brother of sorts. In our shortconversation I learned that he was serious about his fishing and that hecouldtie a decent fly. On the second or so trip back he invited me to go fishingand later to his hangout - the Chicken Coop. He knew I made rods and thatIalways had our son with me to fish. He too had a son of the same age andhewas always with his dad as well. Midway through the summer hementioned thathe wanted a rod to fish the west with and also to toss some big bugslocally. weekendthat I had missed him. The story I heard in the spring is that he got into a contest of sortswith another flyfisher in attempting to cast to a fish that was feedingmidstream. The rod did what it was designed to do. The talk at the Coop wasofthe force of the rod and with the last of the Triology having just beenoutthe taper affectionately became 'The Force' as in 'May the Force be withyou'.Perhaps an explaination would be that the character of the personandthe character of the rod matched. A certain oneness if you will. But aseachof us are different then too the matching rod would be different as well.Andgiven that a bamboo rod does carry with it part of the soul of the makerthena more fitting victory cry might be - 'May the Friend be with you'. That's nice. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from dickfuhrman@rheemote.com Fri Jul 24 08:04:50 1998 (may be forged)) Subject: Re: impregnating rods RO>Dick, I owe you an apology. I incorrectly gave you the Jordan Reel seatnumbRO>in that original post. Chris, Thanks, I found the reelseat patent interesting reading but notwhat I was looking for. Now I guess I'll have to order another Patent.I'm Interested in this impregnation stuff for bamboo rods and otherstuff. Trying to do a little research and talk to some plastics peoplethat I know. No break throughs yet. I will keep all posted if I findanything easy to do. Dick Fuhrman from eestlow@srminc.com Fri Jul 24 08:10:47 1998 Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:16:26 -0500 Subject: Re: DRAT! A warning: even though this is way off the rodmaking subject, be VERYwaryof how or even IF you test for Y2k as described below. You may end upcorrupting files if you have Windows 95. I only know enough to makemyselfdangerous in this, but I work for an IT consulting firm and we are beingvery careful about what kinds of Y2k projects we take on as the unknownsare a big business risk to us. This is a great area to apply the concept of"Buyer Beware!" Best regards,-Ed Estlow Canerods@aol.com on 07/23/98 11:29:21 PM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: DRAT! In a message dated 98-07-23 11:03:32 EDT, you write: Well, this would be a good time to see if your BIOS is Y2K happy too - myBIOSfails. Change your clock to Dec 31, 1999 @ 11:57PM and then shut your computeroff.Wait 5 minutes (or so) and then turn back on. If your clock reads Jan 01,2000@ 12:02AM (or so) then you're lucky to have a good Y2K BIOS in yourcomputer. DO NOT just reboot W95 - shutdown W95 and turn off the computer off andthenturn it back on after 5 minutes or more. Don Burns PS - My BIOS resets the year to 1980! But if I reset my clock to Jan 01,2000@ 12:01AM and shutdown/reboot, the computer comes back up with thecorrecttime/date. So I'm not going to upgrade my BIOS I guess. from flyfisher@cmix.com Fri Jul 24 08:16:35 1998 Subject: Re: DRAT! RO>A warning: even though this is way off the rodmaking subject, be VERYwaryRO>of how or even IF you test for Y2k as described below. You may end upRO>corrupting files if you have Windows 95. I only know enough to makemyselfRO>dangerous in this, but I work for an IT consulting firm and we are beingRO>very careful about what kinds of Y2k projects we take on as theunknownsRO>are a big business risk to us. This is a great area to apply the conceptofRO>"Buyer Beware!" RO>Best regards,RO>-Ed Estlow Ed, I guess you're right - but I assumed you'd put the clock back to correcttime before writing to a file! Don B. from hhholland@erols.com Fri Jul 24 08:22:57 1998 Subject: Re: Rod Company Does anyone know about "Parker Custom Rods" of Roswell, GA? NOTE: thisisNOT Jon Parker!Mr. Parker may even be a member of the list, but I am unaware of it.Someone may want to sell me one of the rods, but I know nothing aboutthem.Any info, anyone? Thanks!.....Hank Holland from eestlow@srminc.com Fri Jul 24 08:26:13 1998 Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:31:48 -0500 Subject: Re: DRAT! What I've been told by one of our wizards is, when you test by resettingthe date to late New Years Eve 1999 and letting the clock roll over, eitherpowered up or not, then look at the files already written, the dates arescrewed up. I believe this takes place in MS Access among other places butI could be wrong. So...... it doesn't even necessarily involve writing to afile. The existing ones can get corrupted. I think I'll shut up now, as at this point I only know enough to warnpeople, not to tell them what will REALLY happen. There are many places to get good information. Just watch the alarmistsonthe web. Be alert, but pragmatic about this whole thing. -Ed flyfisher@cmix.com on 07/24/98 07:16:20 AM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: DRAT! RO>A warning: even though this is way off the rodmaking subject, be VERYwaryRO>of how or even IF you test for Y2k as described below. You may end upRO>corrupting files if you have Windows 95. I only know enough to makemyselfRO>dangerous in this, but I work for an IT consulting firm and we are beingRO>very careful about what kinds of Y2k projects we take on as theunknownsRO>are a big business risk to us. This is a great area to apply the conceptofRO>"Buyer Beware!" RO>Best regards,RO>-Ed Estlow Ed, I guess you're right - but I assumed you'd put the clock back to correcttime before writing to a file! Don B. from spalding@harrynormanrealtors.com Fri Jul 24 10:07:38 1998 Subject: Re: Rod Company At 09:11 AM 7/24/98 -0100, you wrote: Does anyone know about "Parker Custom Rods" of Roswell, GA? NOTE: thisisNOT Jon Parker!Mr. Parker may even be a member of the list, but I am unaware of it.Someone may want to sell me one of the rods, but I know nothing aboutthem.Any info, anyone? Thanks!.....Hank HollandThey operate a business called Parker Fishing Tackle Repair, located at26Webb Street #5, Roswell Ga. 30075, Phone # that I have is 770-993-9096.Assuming that Cal Sr. is still with us (he was in his 80's the last contactthat I had with them a few years ago), the business is run by Cal Sr., CalJr. and Mike. Cal Sr. was the bamboo rod specialist. Don't know what theyare up to now, but give them a call--Great folks to deal with!Spalding White from Fishstink@aol.com Fri Jul 24 11:11:21 1998 Subject: Nyatex All,Just a quick question. Does anyone know the shelf life of Nyatex? I'mfinallygetting around to using some that was purchased a year and a half ago. Ijustgot around to reading the MSDS and it said that the recommended inventorywas90 days (!!!) I can't imagine using a quart of "A" and "B" in 90 days. I would like to glueup a rod this weekend but... Mike from SalarFly@aol.com Fri Jul 24 11:26:54 1998 Subject: Hinges Again I was test casting some different lines (Silk. Am I gettingobsessed or what?). I was using the Sir D taper, and Ihappened to put on a line that was way too light for the rod,probably a 2 or 3 weight (hard to tell with silk). Regular overhead casting was okay, I had to work a little harder to get the rod to load, but still it was okay. When I tried roll casting, Yuck! I couldn't more than 20 feet to turn over and shock waves everywhere. Just like the rod had no hinge. Thinking about it later it began to make a little sense. Theline was too light to get the hinge area to flex for a roll cast,but this rod usually turns over the leader with only a few inches of fly line out, so it should cast a real light line okay. Roll casting is a major test in determining the proper lineweight for a rod. Darryl Hayashida from sjstill@indy.net Fri Jul 24 11:32:48 1998 Subject: Parker - thanks Whew, They operate a business called Parker Fishing Tackle Repair, located at26Webb Street #5, Roswell Ga. 30075, Phone # that I have is 770-993- 9096. I guess I ought to thank Hank. It's my rod he is asking about (he neverthought to write me!) Since my e-mail puked on me the other day, I lostCal's phone number and address. You just saved me the trouble of lookingitup again! Thanks Spalding! Steve Steve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.net from sjstill@indy.net Fri Jul 24 11:34:06 1998 Subject: 5 strip rods? Hi All, Just thinking (oh-oh), What would the angles be for a 5 strip rod? I canfind very little on these critters! SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.net from eestlow@srminc.com Fri Jul 24 11:58:25 1998 Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:04:17 -0500 Subject: Re: 5 strip rods? Each strip would be an isoceles (sp?) triangle with one angle of 72 deg,and two angles of 54 deg, I believe. As you can guess, the forms are thetricky part. -Ed Steve Stillabower on 07/24/98 11:35:27 AM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: 5 strip rods? Hi All, Just thinking (oh-oh), What would the angles be for a 5 strip rod? I canfind very little on these critters! SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.net from SalarFly@aol.com Fri Jul 24 12:05:28 1998 Subject: Re: 5 strip rods? In a message dated 7/24/98 9:39:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,sjstill@indy.netwrites: Just thinking (oh-oh), What would the angles be for a 5 strip rod? I canfind very little on these critters! Divide 360 (degrees in a complete circle) by the number of strips.360/ 6 strips = 60 degrees360/ 5 strips = 72 degrees360/ 4 strips = 90 degrees Darryl from SalarFly@aol.com Fri Jul 24 12:17:13 1998 Subject: Re: 5 strip rods? In a message dated 7/24/98 10:04:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,eestlow@srminc.com writes: Each strip would be an isoceles (sp?) triangle with one angle of 72 deg,and two angles of 54 deg, I believe. As you can guess, the forms are thetricky part. As usual Ed is more thorough than me. My last post was for theangle of the strip at the middle of the rod. The other two angleshave to be equal, and all three angles have to add up to 180.Add up the three angles in any triangle and it will be 180 degrees. If the middle angle of a five strip rod is 72, 180 -72 = 108. 108/2 = 54. The other two angles will be 54 degrees Darryl from SalarFly@aol.com Fri Jul 24 12:26:41 1998 Subject: Re: 5 strip rods? I wanted to add to my last post, but forgot - Why six strip rods so popular - It's the only configuration that is an equilateraltriangle. That means one planing form is allthat is needed. With other number of stripsin a rod, two planing forms are needed because you can't just flip the strip over to plane the otherside. Darryl from sjstill@indy.net Fri Jul 24 12:27:34 1998 Subject: 5 strip rods-Hokey Smoke! Ed and Sir D, If the middle angle of a five strip rod is 72, 180 -72 = 108. 108/2 = 54. The other two angles will be 54 degrees Gee Wizzz, I wish I'd have paid more attention in math! Think I'll stick with the hex!Although, I do like the Quads Thanks!, SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.net from jlarnold@lycosmail.com Fri Jul 24 13:45:15 1998 OAA05178; Fri, 24 Jul Subject: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 List, I am getting ready to "groove" one of my Stanley 9 1/2 planes. Whatis the range of depthto achieve for grooving? TIA, Jeff Arnold Hamilton, OH -----------------------------------------------------Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com from amcsmith@nlis.net Fri Jul 24 13:51:33 1998 Subject: Re: 5 strip rods? At 11:35 AM 7/24/98 -0500, you wrote:Hi All, Just thinking (oh-oh), What would the angles be for a 5 strip rod? I canfind very little on these critters! SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.netSteve,only been on list short while and am working on restoring first rod i thinkit should be like this, but wayne, aj, or any of the rest of thease guys thathave a clue will be needed toexplain how to set the form i suspect it won't beeasy. visible side of strip\--------------------/\ 54 54/\ /\ /\ /\ / \ /\ /\ 72 /\ />chris smith paridiseporter me. from amcsmith@nlis.net Fri Jul 24 14:06:29 1998 Subject: Re: 5 strip rods-Hokey Smoke! At 12:28 PM 7/24/98 -0500, you wrote:Ed and Sir D, If the middle angle of a five strip rod is 72, 180 -72 = 108. 108/2 = 54. The other two angles will be 54 degrees Gee Wizzz, I wish I'd have paid more attention in math! Think I'll stick with the hex!Although, I do like the Quads Thanks!, SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.netTo the listwhat is the thearetical or rod charistics that would make any one go totheextra trouble of making a 4 or 5 sided rod is it that you would get morepower fibers than in a 6 sided rod or would it be faster action, or is itjustlike a wankle engine somebody better idea.[ i met a guy a few years ago from edwards quadrate? at a show and asked him he said why not]chris smithparadiseporter me from sjstill@indy.net Fri Jul 24 14:27:35 1998 Subject: FE Thomas brown Hi All, A while back I was looking for some brown thread for an FE ThomasSpecial.I think I might have found some. Dale Clemmens # 33-07-05 Light Brownseems to be a real close match. Had to use FlexCoat color preserver on it,but with a couple coats of varnish, it seems darn close. Of course, ifanyone comes up with the "real deal", I'd be glad to [beg, buy or barter]take some off their hands! 1 project done, 999 more to go SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.net from SalarFly@aol.com Fri Jul 24 14:30:00 1998 Subject: Re: 5 strip rods? In a message dated 7/24/98 11:52:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,amcsmith@nlis.net writes: Steve,only been on list short while and am working on restoring first rod ithinkit should be like this, but wayne, aj, or any of the rest of thease guys thathave a clue will be needed toexplain how to set the form i suspect it won't beeasy. visible side of strip\--------------------/\ 54 54/\ /\ /\ /\ / \ /\ /\ 72 /\ /> Turns out this won't work. The side you need to plane isn't theside you have labled as "visible side of strip" that's the outsideenamel side of the strip. To be able to plane a strip for a fiveside rod you need two planing forms - one to plane one sideof the strip, and another "mirror image" form - to planethe other side of the strip. Or the Tom Morgan Hand Mill. Darryl Hayashida from sjstill@indy.net Fri Jul 24 16:01:53 1998 Subject: Uslan? One more odd one, then I'll stop (ha!) According to Keane's book, James Uslan , Nat's son continued to build 5strip rods in Florida. Is he still around? He was in his 30's in 1976, soabout mid 50's now? This has really got me curious! SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.net from ragnarig@integrityol.com Fri Jul 24 17:04:16 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6A811150068; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:11:52 PDT Subject: hinges etc. boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01BDB713.FCD7BAA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BDB713.FCD7BAA0 Darryl wrote: Placement of a hinge I feel depends on the length of the rod. Myplaying around with tapers seems to point towards about 60 to65 percent of the total length of the rod should be betweenthe tip and the hinge. Darryl On the rods I like best, that "hinge" tends to be somewhat lower- and, =yes, I like them on my 9-footers. Maybe that's why I like the Youngs so =much. After I discovered the list- and Hexrod- I miked all my rods, my own as =well as those I had of other makers, and this is one of the first things =I noted. Almost all my rods are longer (the Western Syndrome?) so the =taper can have only a subtle flattening toward the butt, but it really =shows up on the stresscurve. recommend doing just as I stated above with every rod you can find and =annotating the stress graph printout with comprehensive notes on your =impressions of the rods' qualities. It's a rich vein, indeed. Davy ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BDB713.FCD7BAA0 a = "hinge" tends to be somewhat lower- and, yes, I like them on = discovered the list- and Hexrod- I miked all my rods, my own as well as = all my rods are longer (the Western Syndrome?) so the taper can have = stresscurve.In case anyone on the list hasn't done so = strongly recommend doing just as I stated above with every rod you = and annotating the stress graph printout with comprehensive notes on = indeed.Davy ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BDB713.FCD7BAA0-- from SalarFly@aol.com Fri Jul 24 17:22:32 1998 Subject: Re: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 In a message dated 7/24/98 11:46:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,jlarnold@lycosmail.com writes: List, I am getting ready to "groove" one of my Stanley 9 1/2 planes. Whatisthe range of depth to achieve for grooving? TIA, Jeff Arnold My roughing plane is grooved to .006My finish plane is grooved to .003My L-N scraper is somewhere between .001 and .002 Darryl Hayashida from mcreek@sirus.com Fri Jul 24 18:34:55 1998 Subject: Re: Myths Two years ago Wayne C. had a rod his son had made at a TU show in GrandRapids. We took it out on the lawn of the high school and the rod threwall the line my feeble casting style would keep aloft (still alot).That debunked the "lack-of-backbone" myth to my satisfaction.Later over coffee I mentioned that I was worried about the fragilenature of bamboo rods. That's when I heard the "my fly rod lives on thedashboard of my truck all summer" story. As to the myth of bamboo rodsbeing expensive; well they are. But lots of good things are expensive.But if I had the cash I've spent in the last couple of years on tools,cane, and gear to build these things with in a pile in front of me Icould spend two weeks in a first class lodge in Argentina next winterand buy a new G.L. Loomis rod to fish the Rio Grande with.Buying bamboo rods can be expensive (but there are still lots of niceHeddons, Grangers, etc. around), but building them is an addiction thatbreeds whole bunches of excuses and rationalizations and lies to my bestfriend/wife ( who knows me too well to buy them). I guess if it weren't for the myths, I wouldn't bother. Brian > from flyfisher@cmix.com Fri Jul 24 19:34:12 1998 Subject: RE:FE Thomas brown RO>Hi All, RO>A while back I was looking for some brown thread for an FE ThomasSpecial.RO>I think I might have found some. Dale Clemmens # 33- 07-05 LightBrownRO>seems to be a real close match. Had to use FlexCoat color preserver onit,RO>but with a couple coats of varnish, it seems darn close. Of course, ifRO>anyone comes up with the "real deal", I'd be glad to [beg, buy or barter]RO>take some off their hands! RO>1 project done, 999 more to go RO>SteveRO>Steve and Julie StillabowerRO>Indianapolis, INRO>>sjstill@indy.net from rclarke@eou.edu Fri Jul 24 19:47:17 1998 Subject: Re: Pictures from Greyrock Jim, I have pics posted at:http://www.eou.edu/fao/tbb.htm I did not attend either, but Chris Bogart sent me some pictures and I hadfun with them. Make sure you touch each pic with your mouse to see the"hidden message". Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu p.s. I have other photos (non doctored) that I would be happy to share withyou off list ----------From: Jim Kubichek Subject: Pictures from GreyrockDate: Thursday, July 23, 1998 3:20 PM I was not able to attend Greyrock this year but understand that there aresome pictures of the event posted at various sites. If anyone is willingwould you please post or repost where these photographic gems of thegathering can be found? Thank you! Jim Kubichek _____________________________________________________________________You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e- mail.Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.comOr call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654- 5866] from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Fri Jul 24 22:52:55 1998 Subject: Re: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 At 14:44 24/07/98 -0400, you wrote:List, I am getting ready to "groove" one of my Stanley 9 1/2 planes. Whatis the range of depth to achieve for grooving? TIA, Jeff Arnold Hamilton, OH Before you groove, make sure that your forms will go "tight" enough sothatgrooving the sole will not make a difference in how small you can build arod tip. the groove just made your forms 0.028.Or you can do like I do and don't groove. Worked OK for the last 60 rods -expect that no grooving will work for the next 60 or so.And also the cane is not pressed into the form if you have a groove - yourchances of having an error with grooving is increased. Maybe that's why alot of folks can't get strips within 0.003 difference between strips. Just my 0.0002 cents Don from CampblRods@aol.com Fri Jul 24 23:01:20 1998 Subject: Re: Sorry Hey John!Steve CampbellCampbell Rod Co.Brewer,MECampblRods@aol.com from WayneCatt@aol.com Sat Jul 25 01:19:37 1998 Subject: Re: Nyatex Mike -Nyatex glue is like many other glues and such - the labeled shelf life isaCYA statement. The manufactures don't know how the product will bestored orused and they label as such. Epoxy glue is like other chemical compoundsinthat the cooler that they are stored the longer the component life.PersonallyI store the glue in my basement which has a yearly temperature range of70 -75 degrees during a normal summer and 62 - 65 degrees during wintermonths.Within this range I have had Nyatex on the shelf for up to a year and a halfwithout any adverse effects. In talks with Bill at Nyatex about shelf lifehefelt that the glue could be good for several years in a cooler environment -even up to refrigerating it.A couple of suggestions to add life and convience to the product wouldbe: a) go to the body shop supply and purchase smaller cans - 8 oz - thenrepackage the glue into smaller units - this will keep the unopened cansfromgetting contaminated through use b) store the unused product in as cool a place as possible - it can even befrozen as photographic film can - which will push the shelf life beyondthe 2kcomputer crisis c) share with others - of the qallon kit that I get every year a good shareisshared with class students and other local makers - here again it isbroken upinto smaller units d) make more rods from Canerods@aol.com Sat Jul 25 08:28:57 1998 Subject: Re: DRAT! In a message dated 98-07-24 09:31:17 EDT, you write: Ed, I asked the instructor of my 2 day "NOP" (network operations program)courseif thie test is valid. He said that it is a standard test and will not causeany problems if you reset the clock. His comment was as long as the clockcould be reset to the correct date (after the test fails) then you should beokay. OBTW, he was head of Quaker Oats computer systems plus other historywithcomputers. Besides what the heck do you think will happen to your PC on 1-1- 00?Samething maybe? That's less than 18 months away! Try finding a PC tech after the 1st of 2000 and I'll bet you'll be 10,000thinline. Don Burns from robert.kope@MCI2000.com Sat Jul 25 10:52:52 1998 with SMTP id forrodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:52:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Angles Frank, That's close, but as you change the angle, the length of the side oppositethe angle also changes because the wheel is round. If you increase theangle, the point of contact of the wheel moves closer to the point ofcontact of the blade edge, and the theoretical length of the opposite sideincreases. If r = the radius of the wheel on the guide, the length of theopposite side increases by r/cos(T). You also need to add the bladethickness (b) to the length of the opposite side. What you wind up with is A - r + r/cos(T) + bL = --------------------------------- - Btan(T) Better still, set the angle carefully using a bevel gauge or protractor.Measure the distance the blade sticks out (L) and make your jig by cuttingarabbet of width L in the end of a board. Then hold the sharpening guideagainst the end of the board and push the end of the blade against theshoulder of the rabbet, and you will get exactly the same angle every time. -- Robert Kope -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Angles Well, so much for doing trig before the coffee has taken effect.It should be AL = ------ - Btan(T) The blade and the wheel form two sides of a right triangle, with thesharpening stone the hypothenuse.--Frank Stetzer On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Frank Stetzer wrote: This lovely ascii diagram shows the base of the jig upside down, withthe wheel sticking up: ___ -/ \ || o | |\___/ A| | || | || | |front edge of jig -> ================ - |____B___| Measure the distance from the base of the jig, where the bladesets, to the bottom of the wheel (A), and the distance from the frontedge of the jig to the point directly over the wheel (B). Thenthe length the blade sticks out from the front of the jig, for asharpening angle of T degrees, should be AL = ------ - Bsin(T) As I recall, A is about 1 inch and B is about 1 inch, sin(35)=0.574 sothe blade would stick out 0.743 for a 35 degree angle, for this example. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and aEmployed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Jon Lintvet wrote: Perhaps someone could explain the math for setting a veritassharpening jig. Specifically, if I wanted to sharpen a blade to 32and 35 and 37 degrees, how would I figure out the distance to the endof the blade. i use jigs so the angle is the same every time. Sorryif the question is basic.Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340- 0194http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Jul 25 14:26:39 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine Got my mag the day after I got ahold of Mark. Well worth the wait. Bret from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Jul 25 14:35:12 1998 Subject: Re: Myths List,I stand next to another gentleman in the river quite often that takesscoresof steelhead and salmon on his cane rod much to the amazement of theplasticfishers. I also took many salmon, trout, dollies, greyling and char inAlaskaand other places on my 6 wght Leonard much to the guides amazementalso. AllI can say is bamboo will handle anything that I or most of us will fish for.So this proves that bamboo is just as strong if not stronger than theplasticout there. I repeat something I said a long time ago on here, I have neverbroken a bamboo rod on any fish but I have and many other people havebrokenplenty of plastic rods on fish. A side note here, I have not had a chance to mike out the 12 foot Montaguebecause of work load but will do so soon for those who showed aninterest.Sorry for the delay and pleas bear with me.Bret from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Jul 25 14:38:34 1998 Subject: Re: I'm hooked! Steve,It sounds like you have met Bob Lancaster a truly fine gentleman. i haveseenand cast his rods and they are a joy to behold.Bret from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Sat Jul 25 16:24:15 1998 batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id QAA24862 for; Sat, (8.8.4/8.6.8) with SMTP idQAA16683 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:24:13 Subject: Re: Angles Good analysis, Robert.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot- warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, robert.kope wrote: Frank, That's close, but ... -- Robert Kope from jcole10@juno.com Sat Jul 25 16:36:53 1998 17:36:10 EDT Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod Magazine Got my Magazine today. It was mailed express mail July 14th. Also gotsome junk mail, second class, mailed two days ago. Just the way it goeswhen you are looking foward to something. John ColeOn Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:25:55 EDT Grhghlndr@aol.com writes:Got my mag the day after I got ahold of Mark. Well worth the wait. Bret _____________________________________________________________________You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e- mail.Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.comOr call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654- 5866] from mfennell@tricon.net Sat Jul 25 17:13:18 1998 envelope- from (mfennell@tricon.net) Subject: Rod Blank A sudden urge to complete a long standing project has motivated me tocomplete a long ago aquired 3 pc blank. was wondering if someone couldgive me some advice on where to trim the blank to make a 7'6" 3 pc rod.The blanks measure 100.75" in of course 3 pcs. The average measurementstaken from the tips down are as follows:Tip Mid Butt.0623 .1497 .23525"= .0777 38.5"= .1622 72.25"= .2417 10"= .0922 43.5"= .1673 77.25"= .2565 15"= .1100 48.5"= .1952 82.25"= .267820"= .1253 53.5"= .2125 87.25"= .2787 25"= .1367 58.5"= .2183 92.25"= .3995 30"= .1423 63.5"= .2330 97.25"= .3932 33"= .1565 67.25"= .2208 100.75"=.360333.5"= .1512 Thanks in advance for the advice. from gwbarnes@gwi.net Sat Jul 25 17:13:24 1998 Subject: Re: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 Don Andersen wrote: At 14:44 24/07/98 -0400, you wrote:List, I am getting ready to "groove" one of my Stanley 9 1/2 planes.Whatis the range of depth to achieve for grooving? TIA, Jeff ArnoldHamilton, OH Before you groove, make sure that your forms will go "tight" enough sothatgrooving the sole will not make a difference in how small you can build arod tip. 0.025,the groove just made your forms 0.028. Not really. If the blade is up at the top of the groove, no matter its depth,it wont cut. The blade has to protrude below the sole of the plane, groovedorflat. Or you can do like I do and don't groove. Worked OK for the last 60 rods - expect that no grooving will work for the next 60 or so.And also the cane is not pressed into the form if you have a groove - yourchances of having an error with grooving is increased. Maybe that's why alot of folks can't get strips within 0.003 difference between strips. Just my 0.0002 cents Don from triadvertising@sprintmail.com Sat Jul 25 17:16:43 1998 Subject: Re: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 type="54455854"; Or you can do like I do and don't groove. Worked OK for the last 60rods - expect that no grooving will work for the next 60 or so. Don DonThat's good advice. Grooving the sole of the plane is unnecessary. Tosome, it may make planing easier. But, a really sharp blade and deadflat sole are worth more to me than a groove in the sole. I've builtplenty of rods with a flat sole and hope, like you, to build plentymore the same way. However, I am of the opinion that it is absolutelynecessary to get the sole of plane flat if you expect any amount ofaccuracy. That's where the attention should be focused. Joe Loverti Loverti Split Cane Fly Rodshttp://www.triadvertising.com/canerods from mfennell@tricon.net Sat Jul 25 17:27:41 1998 envelope- from (mfennell@tricon.net) Subject: stuck ferrule Due to the hot humid weather here in East Tennessee, problems withferrules becoming stuck are bothering me. I have tried the two persontwo hand pull method and applying a cold compress(ice gel bag) to themale ferrule with no luck. Can someone please help this poor ole mtn'boy? from flyfisher@cmix.com Sat Jul 25 17:37:25 1998 Subject: RE:stuck ferrule RO>Due to the hot humid weather here in East Tennessee, problems withRO>ferrules becoming stuck are bothering me. I have tried the two personRO>two hand pull method and applying a cold compress(ice gel bag) to theRO>male ferrule with no luck. Can someone please help this poor ole mtn'RO>boy? Did you also try the behind the knees thing? Don Burns PS - I had a ferrule pair that I bought (used) that were stuck togetherso hard that I tried WD-40 to free them. (worked) from channer@hubwest.com Sat Jul 25 20:39:07 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A484374B013C; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:21:08 MDT Subject: rod comparisons Hi All! If anyone is interested, I have entered and saved the Sir D 7'6" 4wt. taperand the Payne 100 7'6" 4wt. on Frank Stetzer's interface to Hexrod at therodmakers page. the Sir D is under sd76jc and the Payne is under p100jc. Iran the comparison on the two and was curious as to anyone else'sinterpretation of the differences. It looks to me like the Sir D is afaster action rod that is likely to roll cast better(I think I finallyrecognize the "hinge" when I see it).Comments?? John Channer from Fishstink@aol.com Sat Jul 25 21:39:39 1998 Subject: Re: Nyatex Mike -Nyatex glue is like many other glues and such - the labeled shelf life isaCYA statement. The manufactures don't know how the product will bestored orused and they label as such. Epoxy glue is like other chemical compoundsinthat the cooler that they are stored the longer the component life.PersonallyI store the glue in my basement which has a yearly temperature range of70 -75 degrees during a normal summer and 62 - 65 degrees during wintermonths.Within this range I have had Nyatex on the shelf for up to a year and a halfwithout any adverse effects. In talks with Bill at Nyatex about shelf lifehefelt that the glue could be good for several years in a cooler environment -even up to refrigerating it.A couple of suggestions to add life and convience to the product wouldbe: a) go to the body shop supply and purchase smaller cans - 8 oz - thenrepackage the glue into smaller units - this will keep the unopened cansfromgetting contaminated through use b) store the unused product in as cool a place as possible - it can even befrozen as photographic film can - which will push the shelf life beyondthe 2kcomputer crisis c) share with others - of the qallon kit that I get every year a good shareisshared with class students and other local makers - here again it isbroken upinto smaller units d) make more rods Wayne,Thanks for the help. I wasn't aware that keeping it cool extended even toglue. I, of course, have been keeping the box near the window sill of asouthfacing wall. Not the coolest place in the house. I appreciate the help andinfo. As to the epoxy sticking, we shall see.Mike from SalarFly@aol.com Sun Jul 26 00:13:52 1998 Subject: Re: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 In a message dated 7/25/98 3:14:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,gwbarnes@gwi.netwrites: Not really. If the blade is up at the top of the groove, no matter itsdepth,it wont cut. The blade has to protrude below the sole of the plane,groovedorflat. I was wondering when someone would realize that. The depth of thegroove has nothing to do with the measurement of the strip whenfinished cutting. The depth of the groove is the maximum thickness of the shaving that is cut. That's why I have a deeper groove in my roughing plane than my finish plane, and even a shallower groove in my scraper. Also, the only concern for flatness is front to back. Sideto side flatness (within reason of course) can be taken care of by theblade adjustment. Major advantage to grooving your planes - the blade never touches your forms. Blades stay sharp longer, forms never get nicked. Darryl Hayashida from duke746@email.msn.com Sun Jul 26 09:53:24 1998 SMTPSVC;Sun, 26 Jul 1998 07:52:45 -0700 Subject: ZIP FILE FOR BRUCE CONNERS HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD A PROBLEM DOWNLOADING THE ZIP FILE ON BRUCECONNERS:NEAT GUI INTERFACE FOR ROD DESIGN, OR IS IT MY WINZIP WHICH ISGIVING ME APROBLEM. THANKS JIM DOUKAS from cbogart@shentel.net Sun Jul 26 10:22:11 1998 head.globalcom.net(8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA22285; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:22:12 -0400 Subject: Re: ZIP FILE FOR BRUCE CONNERS On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 10:55:47 -0700, james doukas wrote: HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD A PROBLEM DOWNLOADING THE ZIP FILE ON BRUCECONNERS:NEAT GUI INTERFACE FOR ROD DESIGN, OR IS IT MY WINZIP WHICH ISGIVING ME APROBLEM. THANKS JIM DOUKAS Jim Must be your version of WinZip - I just downloaded with no problemsusing WinZip v6.3and had no problems. Chris from SalarFly@aol.com Sun Jul 26 10:31:07 1998 Subject: Re: Where do I get bamboo? In a message dated 7/23/98 7:31:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,bmeyer@inlink.comwrites: have been looking for a small quantity of good bamboo. Anysuggestions? Is the native bamboo that grows in central Florida worth using?Brian Meyer Haven't seen an answer to this one yet, please excuse me if it alreadyhas been answered and I missed it. click on the Commercial Tools, Parts, and Supplies button,there are a couple sources you can get the correct typeof bamboo. As to can you use the bamboo you have locally, probablynot, but you never know. Make a couple out of Tonkinfirst, then try your local bamboo. That way you will knowwhat you are looking for in bamboo characteristics. Darryl from sats@gte.net Sun Jul 26 12:30:44 1998 Subject: Re: Where do I get bamboo? As to can you use the bamboo you have locally, probablynot, but you never know. Make a couple out of Tonkinfirst, then try your local bamboo. That way you will knowwhat you are looking for in bamboo characteristics. Darryl Darryl, Thanks for the post in FF@. I respect Don P. but don't alwaysagreewith him, especially on log vs. short rods. He's a good guy though, and sentmeinformation that I requested. Maybe it will make others think a littleaboutthose rods, beyond how much does it cost and how far can I cast it... There IS a lot of bamboo around here, but I've got a feeling that it reallyisn't worth using. It's fairly straight, and grows to 3" but other then thatI know nothing. Would be fun to try one, sometime. Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from jcole10@juno.com Sun Jul 26 17:01:08 1998 18:00:00 EDT Subject: Re: stuck ferrule MikeNoticed in your post that you are from East TN . Was wondering if we areneighbors. I live in west Knoxville. John ColeOn Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:29:15 -0400 Mike Fennell writes:Due to the hot humid weather here in East Tennessee, problems withferrules becoming stuck are bothering me. I have tried the two persontwo hand pull method and applying a cold compress(ice gel bag) to themale ferrule with no luck. Can someone please help this poor ole mtn'boy? _____________________________________________________________________You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e- mail.Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.comOr call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654- 5866] from jmckinnon@ottawa.iti.ca Sun Jul 26 19:25:27 1998 26 Jul 98 20:20:52 -0500 0500 26 Jul 98 20:20:18 -0500 Subject: test too see if still on list. no message boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01BDB8D2.D2AC6BC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BDB8D2.D2AC6BC0 John F. McKinnonjmckinnon@ottawa.iti.ca ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BDB8D2.D2AC6BC0 John F. McKinnonjmckinnon@ottawa.iti.ca ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BDB8D2.D2AC6BC0-- from EPerez2677@aol.com Sun Jul 26 19:38:01 1998 Subject: Re: stuck ferrule Try little heat from an oil burner. Don't let the ferrule get to hotIt work one time for me. EDDIE. from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Sun Jul 26 23:43:37 1998 Subject: Re: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 At 18:23 25/07/98 -0500, you wrote:Or you can do like I do and don't groove. Worked OK for the last 60rods -expect that no grooving will work for the next 60 or so. Don DonThat's good advice. Grooving the sole of the plane is unnecessary. Tosome, it may make planing easier. But, a really sharp blade and deadflat sole are worth more to me than a groove in the sole. I've builtplenty of rods with a flat sole and hope, like you, to build plentymore the same way. However, I am of the opinion that it is absolutelynecessary to get the sole of plane flat if you expect any amount ofaccuracy. That's where the attention should be focused. Joe Loverti Loverti Split Cane Fly Rodshttp://www.triadvertising.com/canerods Joe, The flat sole thing is a given but not all the sole - you need the planesole flat @ the very front end, for 1/4>3/8" on each side of the blade and@ the very tail of the place. The rest I hollow out about 0.005" or so. Theplane slids a whole lot better and still keeps the strip where it belongs. Don from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Sun Jul 26 23:43:48 1998 Subject: Re: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 At 01:13 26/07/98 EDT, you wrote:In a message dated 7/25/98 3:14:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,gwbarnes@gwi.netwrites: Not really. If the blade is up at the top of the groove, no matter itsdepth,it wont cut. The blade has to protrude below the sole of the plane,groovedorflat. I was wondering when someone would realize that. The depth of thegroove has nothing to do with the measurement of the strip whenfinished cutting. The depth of the groove is the maximum thickness of the shaving that is cut. That's why I have a deeper groove in my roughing plane than my finish plane, and even a shallower groove in my scraper. Also, the only concern for flatness is front to back. Sideto side flatness (within reason of course) can be taken care of by theblade adjustment. Major advantage to grooving your planes - the blade never touches your forms. Blades stay sharp longer, forms never get nicked. Darryl Hayashida Darryl & George, Less I'm really missing something, what's the advantage of the groove ifthe blade must protrude below the level of the sole. I had thought that theadvantage was the blade was above the level of the sole and thereforecouldn't nick the forms. Now I hear from Darryl that it's the depth of cut?I think Darryl maybe right only if he never makes the blade protrude belowthe level of the sole. George and Darryl statements seem to conflict each other. Help!!! Don from SalarFly@aol.com Mon Jul 27 00:44:29 1998 Subject: Re: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 In a message dated 7/26/98 9:46:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca writes: Less I'm really missing something, what's the advantage of the groove ifthe blade must protrude below the level of the sole. I had thought thattheadvantage was the blade was above the level of the sole and thereforecouldn't nick the forms. Now I hear from Darryl that it's the depth ofcut?I think Darryl maybe right only if he never makes the blade protrudebelowthe level of the sole. George and Darryl statements seem to conflict each other. Help!!! It's not that difficult a concept. Just think about what needs to be exposedto cut, and how it is exposed with a groove in the sole. Darryl Hayashida from jcole10@juno.com Mon Jul 27 08:03:45 1998 09:02:17 EDT Subject: Sir D With all the praise that has been given the Sir D, I decided to make a7-6. Question, would someone tell me what size guides and how many touse. Thanks John Cole _____________________________________________________________________You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e- mail.Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.comOr call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654- 5866] from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Mon Jul 27 09:20:56 1998 Subject: Re: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 At 01:43 27/07/98 EDT, you wrote:In a message dated 7/26/98 9:46:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca writes: Less I'm really missing something, what's the advantage of the grooveifthe blade must protrude below the level of the sole. I had thought thattheadvantage was the blade was above the level of the sole and thereforecouldn't nick the forms. Now I hear from Darryl that it's the depth ofcut?I think Darryl maybe right only if he never makes the blade protrudebelowthe level of the sole. George and Darryl statements seem to conflict each other. Help!!! It's not that difficult a concept. Just think about what needs to beexposedto cut, and how it is exposed with a groove in the sole. Darryl Hayashida Darryl, Not difficult @ all. Back to my first statement - if you have a form capable of tips of 0.025"and you set your plane c/w groove so it won't nick the forms. Then youmakea tip of 0.028".And getting a shaving from 0.000>0.003" without having the blade exit thesole must be a real trial.Still, George's statement and Darryl's seem to be @ odds. George says " theblade must protrude outta the sole and Darryl says " the blade can't nickthe forms". One or the other must be true. So which is it? Don from SalarFly@aol.com Mon Jul 27 11:33:01 1998 Subject: Re: 5 strip rods-Hokey Smoke! In a message dated 7/24/98 12:12:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,amcsmith@nlis.net writes: To the listwhat is the thearetical or rod charistics that would make any one go totheextra trouble of making a 4 or 5 sided rod is it that you would get morepower fibers than in a 6 sided rod or would it be faster action, or is itjustlike a wankle engine somebody better idea.[ i met a guy a few years ago from edwards quadrate? at a show and asked him he said why not]chris smith I don't have much experience with 5 or 4 sided rods, I was waiting forthe guys that make them to answer this, but this is how I understandit: With both 4 and 5 sided rods the glue line isn't in the greatestshear plane. A six sided rod has a glue line directly in the sideto side plane no matter how you put the guides - unless youput them on the point of the hex. With a five sided rod, when you put the guides on a flat thereis an apex on the other side of the rod, forming a "backbone" and hence is stiffer for the same weight - or lighter for the same stiffness. I understand quads are the same way, you can makethem lighter with the same stiffness. I don't know this for sure,but it would seem to me that you could make more rods froma culm if one rod used only four strips. Darryl from gwbarnes@gwi.net Mon Jul 27 12:03:51 1998 Subject: Re: Depth of Groove for a Stanley 9 1/2 Don Andersen wrote: At 01:13 26/07/98 EDT, you wrote:In a message dated 7/25/98 3:14:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,gwbarnes@gwi.netwrites: Not really. If the blade is up at the top of the groove, no matter itsdepth,it wont cut. The blade has to protrude below the sole of the plane,groovedorflat. I was wondering when someone would realize that. The depth of thegroove has nothing to do with the measurement of the strip whenfinished cutting. The depth of the groove is the maximum thicknessof the shaving that is cut. That's why I have a deeper groove in myroughing plane than my finish plane, and even a shallower groove inmy scraper. Also, the only concern for flatness is front to back. Sideto side flatness (within reason of course) can be taken care of by theblade adjustment. Major advantage to grooving your planes - the blade never touchesyour forms. Blades stay sharp longer, forms never get nicked. Darryl Hayashida Darryl & George, Less I'm really missing something, what's the advantage of the groove ifthe blade must protrude below the level of the sole. I had thought thattheadvantage was the blade was above the level of the sole and thereforecouldn't nick the forms. Now I hear from Darryl that it's the depth ofcut?I think Darryl maybe right only if he never makes the blade protrudebelowthe level of the sole. George and Darryl statements seem to conflict each other. Help!!! Don Perhaps I stated it poorly. If the sole is not grooved the iron must projectbelowthe bottom of the sole in order to cut, otherwise the cutting edge is abovethematerial you are trying to plane. If the plane is grooved, the iron must project into the groove or it will notcut.Again the cutting edge will be above the material you are trying to cut. My point was that a 0.003" depth of groove will not increase the dimensionofstrips being planed 0.003". The maximum, if it really happens at all, willbe0.003" minus the amount that the blade projects into the groove. George from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Jul 27 14:41:30 1998 Subject: Re: 5 strip rods-Hokey Smoke! Darryl - I was also expecting someone else to jump on this, but since noonehas, let me say the following, based on some experimenting with both 5stripand quads. The 5 strip rod is inherently faster than an equivilent six strip. The glueline in the casting plane may have something to do with this, but I suspectthe extra cane in the "backbone", and it's increased distance from thecenterline of the rod have more to do with it. As Garrison points out, theextra speed is bought with an increase in stress. In order to compensateforthis, you have to beef up the taper a bit. My opinion is that 5 stripconstruction is best suited to fast dry fly type rods. The 5 strip is theeasiest rod to build, everyone who trys them notes that they go togetherverynicely.Other things being equal, a 4 strip rod will seem slower than an equivalent6strip. I believe this is caused because the outer fibers are closer to thecenterline. The interesting thing is that the four strip rod seems to have abroader range of power, and it's possible to have a slow rod that will castalong line. The stresses are low in a four strip, and you can have a lightaction rod without worry. To get equal stiffness with a six strip, you canbeef up the taper a bit, and have a very powerful instrument with a minorweight penalty. The problem is that quads are an SOB to make. The wide,shallow strips want to wiggle in the forms, and getting the angles right isdifficult. Quads are best left to the most experienced among us. from sjstill@indy.net Mon Jul 27 14:42:48 1998 Subject: Daily dumb question Hi All, O.K., time for my daly dumb question - anyone know of some decent usedplaning forms for sale? And/or other "necessitites" for that matter? Just trying to get the ducks in a row. SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.net from eestlow@srminc.com Mon Jul 27 14:58:01 1998 Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:03:54 -0500 Subject: Re: 5 strip rods-Hokey Smoke! Bummer - I just ordered a five strip, wet fly, nymphing rod........ -Ed Estlow TSmithwick@aol.com on 07/27/98 02:40:33 PM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: 5 strip rods-Hokey Smoke! Darryl - I was also expecting someone else to jump on this, but since noonehas, let me say the following, based on some experimenting with both 5stripand quads.The 5 strip rod is inherently faster than an equivilent six strip. The glueline in the casting plane may have something to do with this, but I suspectthe extra cane in the "backbone", and it's increased distance from thecenterline of the rod have more to do with it. As Garrison points out, theextra speed is bought with an increase in stress. In order to compensateforthis, you have to beef up the taper a bit. My opinion is that 5 stripconstruction is best suited to fast dry fly type rods. The 5 strip is theeasiest rod to build, everyone who trys them notes that they go togetherverynicely.Other things being equal, a 4 strip rod will seem slower than an equivalent6strip. I believe this is caused because the outer fibers are closer to thecenterline. The interesting thing is that the four strip rod seems to haveabroader range of power, and it's possible to have a slow rod that will castalong line. The stresses are low in a four strip, and you can have a lightaction rod without worry. To get equal stiffness with a six strip, you canbeef up the taper a bit, and have a very powerful instrument with a minorweight penalty. The problem is that quads are an SOB to make. The wide,shallow strips want to wiggle in the forms, and getting the angles right isdifficult. Quads are best left to the most experienced among us. from jlintvet@clarityconnect.com Mon Jul 27 17:16:07 1998 from HomeyDKlown@worldnet.att.net Mon Jul 27 18:35:34 1998 Dennis Haftel---------- John F. McKinnonjmckinnon@ottawa.iti.ca from Nodewrrior@aol.com Mon Jul 27 18:41:25 1998 Amazedly, Rob from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Mon Jul 27 19:28:05 1998 Does anyone know of any bamboo rodmakers in the Province of Quebec oranywhere else in Eastern Canada? I'm interested in learning the craft. Many thanks Richard **** richard.nantel@videotron.ca **** from mfennell@tricon.net Mon Jul 27 19:40:49 1998 from RVenneri@aol.com Mon Jul 27 20:31:54 1998 from gwilson@shaw.wave.ca Mon Jul 27 21:12:15 1998 from Grhghlndr@aol.com Mon Jul 27 21:14:36 1998 from channer@hubwest.com Mon Jul 27 21:30:39 1998 What is with all these no subject/no message messages????? I haveabout 6or 8 of these, is it something wrong with my server, or am I missing thejoke? John Channer from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Mon Jul 27 21:38:11 1998 I tried the behind-the-knees pull and only managed to pop a guide out from its wrap and imbed the guide foot in my hand. Then I triedice (on the ferrule, not my hand). Finally, heat from an alcohol lampdid the trick. I heated for maybe three second then tried, then threeseconds more and it popped. My theory is that we keep the male slide nice and clean but neglect the female. Also the humidity is no doubt a factor. Good luck.-------------Frank Stetzer On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Mike Fennell wrote: Due to the hot humid weather here in East Tennessee, problems withferrules becoming stuck are bothering me. I have tried the two persontwo hand pull method and applying a cold compress(ice gel bag) to themale ferrule with no luck. Can someone please help this poor ole mtn'boy? from cbogart@shentel.net Mon Jul 27 21:45:16 1998 To All I have scanned the Roscoe Gathering Poster - I have reduced it as faras I can to get the size down to send via the listserver. I believe that Istillretained enough detail to read. Again Kim has done an excellent job again with her artwork. Chris