from cmj@post11.tele.dk Sat Aug 1 03:20:04 1998 (InterMail v4.0 217-106) with SMTP Subject: Sv: Planing forms DAA28218 Don't write off wooden forms. I'm considering going that direction myself. It seems to me that woodenforms combined with a grooved plane sole should yield pretty decentresults. Can anyone pass along their experience with this combination. If one iscareful, can you expect to get similar tolerances out of your strips? Thanks in advance! Tim Tim I made at set of forms according to Tony's spec's. They work perfectly OKwithdesired accuracy. Dont hesitate - do it. regards Carsten from gwbarnes@gwi.net Sat Aug 1 06:40:28 1998 Subject: Re: Planing forms Take a look at The Planing Form #47. I've been sold on them for years andthat article sets forth one way they can be made. George Barnes Tim Klein wrote: I went to a local machine shop and was quoted $300 just to drill andreamthe holes... No tapping, filing, or groove cutting.... Don't write off wooden forms. I'm considering going that direction myself. It seems to me that woodenforms combined with a grooved plane sole should yield pretty decentresults. Can anyone pass along their experience with this combination. If one iscareful, can you expect to get similar tolerances out of your strips? Thanks in advance! Tim--- from mwoodruf@globalnet.co.uk Sat Aug 1 14:14:55 1998 Subject: Barry Gratham Rod Binders boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01BDBD87.42F307A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BDBD87.42F307A0 rod binder Barry Grantham has made for me and have published them on my= ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BDBD87.42F307A0 have = in some photo's of the rod binder Barry Grantham has made for me and = published them on my web page. The address is = ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BDBD87.42F307A0-- from cmj@post11.tele.dk Sat Aug 1 15:29:17 1998 (InterMail v4.0 217-106) with SMTP Subject: Sv: Barry Gratham Rod Binders boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BDBD9C.14E14F60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BDBD9C.14E14F60 Fra: Michael Woodruff Til: rod makers Subject: Barry Gratham Rod Binders the rod binder Barry Grantham has made for me and have published them on= Michael Something is missing, or.....?Please mail URL for your web page regards Carsten ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BDBD9C.14E14F60 rod makers <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= = scan in some photo's of the rod binder Barry Grantham has made for = have published them on my web page. The address is Michael Something is missing, =or.....?Please mail URL for your page regards Carsten ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BDBD9C.14E14F60-- from emiller257@dataflo.net Sat Aug 1 16:19:39 1998 wddataflo.dataflo.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11977 for Subject: Re: Planing forms Tim Klein wrote: I went to a local machine shop and was quoted $300 just to drill andreamthe holes... No tapping, filing, or groove cutting.... Don't write off wooden forms. I'm considering going that direction myself. It seems to me that woodenforms combined with a grooved plane sole should yield pretty decentresults. Can anyone pass along their experience with this combination. If one iscareful, can you expect to get similar tolerances out of your strips? Thanks in advance! Tim---I made a set of wooden forms using the info in #47 of TPF. I boughthard maple at a local hard wood supplier, had him cut it into 1" x 1" x 6' pcs and then flattened on a planer. I borrowed a drill press and drilled the holes per the article. I threaded the holes and that worked fine. The cutting of the bevel was tricky. I ended up borrowing a triangular file and holder from a friend that had made forms using the Penrose webpageas a guide. This is a tedious but necessary step.Little by little the bevel grows until you have something that you can use to plane strips. The total time spent was about 20 hrs.I was happy with how it turned out and recommend it as an alternative to steel forms.Ed Miller P.S. To finish the holes for the dowel pins you really need to use a chucking reamer. I bought mine at J&L Industrial for 5 bucks. from WDHCJL@aol.com Sat Aug 1 20:56:49 1998 Subject: Pinky Gillum Rods Just a shot, but....Anybody have any tapers for Pinky's rods. I know they varied over theyearsbut... Would especially like to find some for the shorter rods.thanks,doug hall from fiveside@net-gate.com Sat Aug 1 21:05:30 1998 ns1.net-gate.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA21477 for Subject: Planing Forms and Pentas To the List,Why don't you who are hesitant about making the steel commitment trythesensible solution: aluminum? There is plenty info in TPF about them and ifthat fails get back to me. Mine are still fine after 30 years.And another word about 5-strip construction. If you wish to approachperfection in a dry fly action, try it. But use a smart stress curve. Bill from jlarnold@lycosmail.com Sat Aug 1 21:23:00 1998 WAA25208; Subject: Nodeless Question Nodeless Gurus: I am starting to build a nodeless rod and have a question.Theinternodal sections of the lower portion of the culm are not very long. Isthere asuggested guideline of length for using an internodal section? ....6"? , 8"?,10"?Or is the determining factor something else other than length? Thanks, Jeff ArnoldHamilton, Oh ****Note**** This question is in no way meant to be disrespectful tothe makersof rods with nodes, nor meant to strike up a ten week discussion onnodeless v.noded. It is only for an uninformed individual that has scratched all thehair offthe top of his head while thinking. -----------------------------------------------------Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com from ragnarig@integrityol.com Sat Aug 1 21:58:14 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A78A1CC00F0; Sat, 01 Aug 1998 20:05:46 PDT Subject: Re: Planing Forms and Pentas To the List,Why don't you who are hesitant about making the steel commitment trythesensible solution: aluminum? There is plenty info in TPF about them andifthat fails get back to me. Mine are still fine after 30 years.And another word about 5-strip construction. If you wish to approachperfection in a dry fly action, try it. But use a smart stress curve. Bill Dear Bill Thanks for the kindly offer. I hope some of the guys balking at thestarting gate will take you up on it. My question concerns the five-sided tapers. Being one who is usuallystriving for perfection, or something very like it, I am seeking the type ofstress curve to which you allude. The problem is: how do I know a smartonewhen I see it? Also, how are penta-tapers interpreted? How are thenumberstranslated into the settings used on the planing form? This is something I've wanted to try for some time, so any info you couldgive me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Davy Riggs from cbogart@shentel.net Sat Aug 1 22:56:34 1998 199823:56:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Nodeless Question JeffYou really don't need to worry about using the short pieces. For a buttsection you canyou take two of the longer sections and take two pieces from each andsplice theminto a strip and save yourself some work. Nobody says you have to use every bit of the culm nomatterhow undesirable. Chris Nodeless Gurus: I am starting to build a nodeless rod and have a question.Theinternodal sections of the lower portion of the culm are not very long. Is there a suggested guideline of length for using an internodal section?....6"? ,8"?, 10"? Or is the determining factor something else other than length? Thanks, Jeff ArnoldHamilton, Oh ****Note**** This question is in no way meant to be disrespectful tothe makersof rods with nodes, nor meant to strike up a ten week discussion on nodeless v. noded. It is only for an uninformed individual that hasscratched allthe hair off the top of his head while thinking. -----------------------------------------------------Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com from Nodewrrior@aol.com Sat Aug 1 23:47:55 1998 Subject: Re: Nodeless Question I doubt if using internodal pieces a bit further up the culm would hurtanything, I just made sure that the relation of power fiber to roddimensionwas acceptable. You might consider doing a shorter , light rod to takeadvantage of this, and there's fewer splices! One (big) thing, I can't claim to be an expert-I've only done one nodeless,but plan to do it again soon.A tip, if it helps: I found my drum sander on my Dremel too did a great jobofremoving the bulk of material (with the spline in the splice block) beforegoing at it with the plane and then the file. Rob Hoffhines from mwoodruf@globalnet.co.uk Sun Aug 2 02:52:28 1998 Subject: 2nd attempt at my web address boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDBDF1.47540AA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDBDF1.47540AA0 To all,Here is the address of my web page with Barry Grantham's rod binder on. =I managed to not type the address on my last mail, well spotted Carstenhttp://users.globalnet.co.uk/~mwoodruf ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDBDF1.47540AA0 To all,Here is the address of my web page with Barry = binder on. I managed to not type the address on my last mail, well = Carstenhttp://users.globalnet.co=.uk/~mwoodruf Regards Mick Woodruff ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDBDF1.47540AA0-- from iank@nelson.planet.org.nz Sun Aug 2 05:00:44 1998 ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:00:31 +1200 Subject: Re: Sv: Planing forms FAA31895 At 10:21 AM 1/08/98 +0200, you wrote: Don't write off wooden forms. I'm considering going that direction myself. It seems to me that woodenforms combined with a grooved plane sole should yield pretty decentresults. Can anyone pass along their experience with this combination. If one iscareful, can you expect to get similar tolerances out of your strips? Thanks in advance! Tim Tim I made at set of forms according to Tony's spec's. They work perfectly OKwithdesired accuracy. Dont hesitate - do it. regards Carsten Tim , I used Tony's system of Barrel bolts as well and it works just fine. iank Ian Kearney phone 0064 03 5445556104 Champion Road Fax 0064 03 5440374Richmond New Zealand email inak@ts.co.nz from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Sun Aug 2 06:06:00 1998 Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:05:49 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Nodeless Question On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 jlarnold@lycosmail.com wrote: Nodeless Gurus: I am starting to build a nodeless rod and have a question. The internodal sections of the lower portion of the culm are not very long. Is there a suggested guideline of length for using an internodal section? ....6"? , 8"?, 10"? Or is the determining factor something else other than length? Thanks, Jeff ArnoldHamilton, Oh Jef,you don't need to use all the cane on a culm, but sometimes the little bits you mention can be used in the butt section under the handle if need be. Also they are useful for making short sections if you need to scarf a new section into the rod in the event of a clean break.The question of length of scarf isn't one of length in inches, rather a ratio. I use a ratio of 1:21 because it looks right and works. Shorter may be fine, longer uses more cane. Tony from dickay@alltel.net Sun Aug 2 07:41:12 1998 HAA03510 Subject: Re: 2nd attempt at my web address Mick,My ISP could not establish a connection to your server. Is your URLcorrect? Thanks for trying to publish these pictures for all of us to see.Dick Fuhrman ---------- Subject: 2nd attempt at my web address To all,Here is the address of my web page with Barry Grantham's rod binder on. Imanaged to not type the address on my last mail, well spotted Carstenhttp://users.globalnet.co.uk/~mwoodruf Regards Mick Woodruff from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Sun Aug 2 08:24:33 1998 Subject: Re: Pinky Gillum Rods Doug,I don't have it in front of me, but I feel sure there are a few Gillumtapersin Jack Howell's new book. Let me know if you need me to post them foryou.Harry Boyd WDHCJL@aol.com wrote: Just a shot, but....Anybody have any tapers for Pinky's rods. I know they varied over theyearsbut...Would especially like to find some for the shorter rods.thanks,doug hall from emiller257@dataflo.net Sun Aug 2 08:37:22 1998 wddataflo.dataflo.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21966 for Subject: mick woodruf's page To All: remember to add www to the adress for Mick Woodruf's web page. You cant get there without it . Ed M from MICK@welfen-netz.com Sun Aug 2 09:05:07 1998 [195.143.56.1]with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Sun,02 Aug 199816:04:44 +0200 Subject: Re: 2nd attempt at my web address boundary="------------63D9917AECF18DE011E7E7BD" --------------63D9917AECF18DE011E7E7BD seems there's no connect to the mentioned url. please check out whatswrong Michael Woodruff wrote: To all,Here is the address of my web page with Barry Grantham's rodbinder on. I managed to not type the address on my last mail, wellspotted Carstenhttp://users.globalnet.co.uk/~mwoodruf Regards MickWoodruff --------------63D9917AECF18DE011E7E7BD seems there's no connect to the mentioned url. please check out whatswrong Michael Woodruff wrote: is the address of my web page with Barry Grantham's rod binder on. Imanagedto not type the address on my last mail, well spottedCarsten Mick Woodruff --------------63D9917AECF18DE011E7E7BD-- from mwoodruf@globalnet.co.uk Sun Aug 2 11:32:59 1998 Subject: 3rd attempt boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BDBE36.13B3BDE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BDBE36.13B3BDE0 Hi again, I must be hung over from last night, third attempt at my web page =address, I sure everyone knows what on it now. Please excuse the =mistakes I am only in my last learn of a computing degree and I cannot = here goes:- http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~mwoodruf I will also try and get some better resolution pictures done soon and =scan in some photo's of the ferrule Barry has sold me. Thanks for your patience ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BDBE36.13B3BDE0 Hi again, I must be hung over from lastnight, = attempt at my web page address, I sure everyone knows what on it now. = excuse the mistakes I am only in my last learn of a computing degree and = cannot even type a web address right.. here goes:- http://www.users.glob=alnet.co.uk/~mwoodruf I will also try and get somebetter = pictures done soon and scan in some photo's of the ferrule Barry has = me. Thanks for your =patience Mick. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BDBE36.13B3BDE0-- from Canerods@aol.com Sun Aug 2 12:28:30 1998 Subject: Re: Planing Forms and Pentas In a message dated 98-08-01 22:59:17 EDT, you write: To the List,Why don't you who are hesitant about making the steel commitment trythesensible solution: aluminum? There is plenty info in TPF about them andifthat fails get back to me. Mine are still fine after 30 years.And another word about 5-strip construction. If you wish to approachperfection in a dry fly action, try it. But use a smart stress curve. Bill Dear Bill Thanks for the kindly offer. I hope some of the guys balking at thestarting gate will take you up on it. My question concerns the five-sided tapers. Being one who is usuallystriving for perfection, or something very like it, I am seeking the type ofstress curve to which you allude. The problem is: how do I know a smartonewhen I see it? Also, how are penta-tapers interpreted? How are thenumberstranslated into the settings used on the planing form? This is something I've wanted to try for some time, so any info you couldgive me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Davy Riggs All, I saw rod made by a local maker that had 2 strips from a 4-sided rod and 3strips from a hex. He tried it as an experiment, but it would be a simplesolution to try making a penta rod if you own both sets of forms now. Don Burns from rkovalak@bright.net Sun Aug 2 13:36:23 1998 OAA19167; Subject: Test-Disregard Test --Ron KovalakEmail: rkovalak@bright.net from jlintvet@clarityconnect.com Sun Aug 2 19:45:22 1998 mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2b3);Sun, 2Aug 1998 20:53:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Sanding between varnish coats I use 600 to take out really snarly spots and then 1200 for the final coat. Like John, really wait for the stuff to get hard so it does not ball up and lift. I don't know what everyone else thinks, but applying another coat without sanding would make any blemishes worse I think? Jon Lintvet140 East Spencer StreetIthaca, NY 14580(800) 836-7558(607) 277-4510 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from jlintvet@clarityconnect.com Sun Aug 2 19:45:26 1998 mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2b3);Sun, 2Aug 1998 20:53:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Nodeless Question Just is case no one has thrown an answer out. Save your self time and scratch the really short pieces if you have enough longer pieces. I like to lay out all the imaginary splines, overlapping four inches at every piece and see how it works out. I lay enough out for two tips and a butt and then on three of every six splines I add an extra piece for nod (nodeless) spacing. Only if I don't like the strips in front of me do I start using the really short pieces. Hope this helps. Take care, Jon Lintvet140 East Spencer StreetIthaca, NY 14580(800) 836-7558(607) 277-4510 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from WayneCatt@aol.com Sun Aug 2 20:20:08 1998 Subject: Re: Wayne C.'s address / phone # FYI - Wayne Cattanach15315 Apple AvenueCasnovia, MI 49318 616 - 675 - 5894(have a real Job best to call after 6:00 evenings) This summer has been hectic - Just got back from Grayrock - This wasHoneymoon # 26 - or better known as 25th anniversary - fished the Jordan-Leaving again friday for Grayrock - will be there for 10 days - UPDATE -was amixup in ferrule order - straight now - ALL orders shipped as of 7/30 -thanks from channer@hubwest.com Sun Aug 2 21:33:28 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A1B047F7014E; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:34:24 MDT Subject: Re: Wayne C.'s address / phone # At 09:19 PM 8/2/98 EDT, you wrote:FYI - Wayne Cattanach15315 Apple AvenueCasnovia, MI 49318 616 - 675 - 5894(have a real Job best to call after 6:00 evenings) This summer has been hectic - Just got back from Grayrock - This wasHoneymoon # 26 - or better known as 25th anniversary - fished theJordan -Leaving again friday for Grayrock - will be there for 10 days - UPDATE -was amixup in ferrule order - straight now - ALL orders shipped as of 7/30 -thanks Wayne;Congrats on your 25th! It was ours last week,too. John from swilson1@WHC.NET Mon Aug 3 00:03:36 1998 ; Subject: lathes There was some recent correspondence on lathes. What functions wouldthe 7" x 10" lathe from Grizzly Imports be capable of performing(ferrules, reel seats...)? Any comments on quality, etc.? Thanks Scott Wilson from irish-george@worldnet.att.net Mon Aug 3 00:58:59 1998 (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP +0000 Subject: Re: lathes As to how useful it would be depends on a number of things: 1) For rodmaking, does it have a hole through the spindle? (Not all lathesdo. And is the hole large enough?) 2) What is the distance between centers? (I would want more than 10" ifIwas going to do reel seats AND cork grips with the lathe.) 3) If doing ferrules, does it have at least a longitudinal power feed? (Youget a smoother finish.) And while we're talking about smoothness offinish,can you get the proper speed for the size AND material you will be turning. 4) You'll also want to verify what the swing is OVER THE CARRIAGE (the 7"onthe Grizzly is swing over the bed...the way all lathe makers spec it...but,who cares??? what really matters to you is the maximum size of workthatyou can do.) If you watch the ads, you can get a used 6" Atlas for about the same as theGrizzly 7" x 10". I spent about twice the price of the Grizzly and got a 9"South Bend with a 4-1/2 ft bed, a couple of 4 jaw chucks, a 3 jaw chuck,toolpost grinder, knurler, live centers, dead centers, 3C collet closer, setof 3C collets, drill chucks that fit in the tailstock, a set of drills, acouple of 4 way toolposts, and miscellaneous other goodies.And the lathe has both longitudinal and cross power feeds. They aren'teasyto find...it took me 10 months of calling on every one I saw listed (I ruledout distant machines when I found that shipping them could equal thepriceof the lathe itself--good old American cast iron!). Regards,George Bourke-----Original Message----- Subject: lathes There was some recent correspondence on lathes. What functions wouldthe 7" x 10" lathe from Grizzly Imports be capable of performing(ferrules, reel seats...)? Any comments on quality, etc.? Thanks Scott Wilson from eestlow@srminc.com Mon Aug 3 11:25:45 1998 86256655.005AC9B7 ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:31:38 -0500 Subject: Grayrock, was Re: Wayne C.'s address / phone # This is an honest question - not trying to be snarkey or anything. How didthe name "Grayrock" evolve from Grayling? What did I miss along the waythelast couple of years? Best regards,Ed Estlow WayneCatt@aol.com on 08/02/98 08:19:35 PM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Wayne C.'s address / phone # FYI - Wayne Cattanach15315 Apple AvenueCasnovia, MI 49318 616 - 675 - 5894(have a real Job best to call after 6:00 evenings) This summer has been hectic - Just got back from Grayrock - This wasHoneymoon # 26 - or better known as 25th anniversary - fished the Jordan-Leaving again friday for Grayrock - will be there for 10 days - UPDATE -was amixup in ferrule order - straight now - ALL orders shipped as of 7/30 -thanks from Nodewrrior@aol.com Mon Aug 3 17:20:18 1998 Subject: Re: reelseat mandrel The reelseat mandrel link on the "Rodmakers" page is kaput. Does anybodyknowif Steve Wilks of Pentools is reachable? Rob from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Mon Aug 3 18:05:23 1998 0500 Subject: Re: reelseat mandrel Rob, I've had no luck either, and I've been trying for several months. Makesmewonder which of the pen turning mandrels I see in the catalogues mightworkwell. If you hear anything, please let me know as well.ThanksHarry Boyd Nodewrrior@aol.com wrote: The reelseat mandrel link on the "Rodmakers" page is kaput. Does anybodyknowif Steve Wilks of Pentools is reachable? Rob from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Mon Aug 3 18:10:48 1998 0500 Subject: Apex scraping List,I'm working on a pair of two weights, and have run into a puzzlingproblem. I have done the final planing on all but two tip sections.I have not glued the sections together yet, but have bound themtightly with thread to keep them safe. When I measure the sectionsbetween wraps of string, they are consistently oversize. .210. Target measurements for each strip at that point would be .0995on each of side of the triangle, allowing .001 per strip for finalenamel removal. I know it should measure .200, or something close tothat. The strips that make up the butt at that measurement wouldactually measure something like (.0995 .100 .098 --3 measurements perstrip) (.1005 .097 .098) and so on .This drawing might help .098---.1005 \ / .097\ / / \.0995 /_ \_ .100.098 Now here's my question: I have not planed anything at all off ofthe pith apex of the strips. Most books on rodbuilding recommend that.001 - .003 be planed off the apex, but Wayne Cattanach's doesn'tmention it, unless I've missed it in the 25 or so times I've looked help my final measurements be closer to the target dimensions? Couldthe small irregularities in each strip prevent the final hexagon fromseating as tightly as it should, thus making the measurementsoversize? What I'm asking is: do I plane a tiny amount off the pithapex of each strip, and if I do so,will that make a difference in myfinal measurements. Thanks,Harry Boyd from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Aug 3 18:38:42 1998 Subject: Re: Apex scraping Harry - If your angles are correct, planing the apex will not change thefinished dimensions. Your problem may be that you are crushing the apexwhenmeasuring the strip, and getting a false measurement. This is very easy todo,and will result in an oversize rod. Do you have a measuring setup with a60*notched anvil to measure the strip? It's the only way to avoid the problem. from sats@gte.net Mon Aug 3 18:40:01 1998 Subject: Southern Rod Makers, Where and when? Mountain Home, Ark Where and when "Dances with Sunfish" Kirkpatrick--Safety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 3 20:45:50 1998 20:45:16 ix12.ix.netcom.comvia smap (V1.3) Subject: Re: lathes I have the Harbor Freight equivalent. I do ferrules, reel seats, woodinserts and cork handles. I have just enough room between the tailstockand chuck to do a handle; no room left over. The lathe has longitudinalpower feed and comes with changeable gears(some kind of tough plastic)forthreading. It does what it is advertised to do and I am completelysatisfied with it. It is not a South Bend nor does it have that level ofquality but it only cost $400 new, shipping included. It works well for anything up to a small reel but if you plan on doinglarger projects, I would recommend a bigger machine. I don't so I amhappy. Hope this helps. Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com At 10:07 PM 8/2/98 -0700, you wrote:There was some recent correspondence on lathes. What functions wouldthe 7" x 10" lathe from Grizzly Imports be capable of performing(ferrules, reel seats...)? Any comments on quality, etc.? Thanks Scott Wilson from flyfisher@cmix.com Mon Aug 3 21:52:19 1998 Subject: Re: lathes Harbor Freight has some 2nd quality (returns?) of their larger 10 x14lathe listed for $499, I believe. Normally it's about $699. Don Burns RO>I have the Harbor Freight equivalent. I do ferrules, reel seats, woodRO>inserts and cork handles. I have just enough room between thetailstockRO>and chuck to do a handle; no room left over. The lathe has longitudinalRO>power feed and comes with changeable gears(some kind of toughplastic) forRO>threading. It does what it is advertised to do and I am completelyRO>satisfied with it. It is not a South Bend nor does it have that level ofRO>quality but it only cost $400 new, shipping included. RO>It works well for anything up to a small reel but if you plan on doingRO>larger projects, I would recommend a bigger machine. I don't so I amRO>happy. Hope this helps. RO>Regards,RO>OnisRO>k5vkq@ix.netcom.com RO>At 10:07 PM 8/2/98 -0700, you wrote:RO>>There was some recent correspondence on lathes. What functionswouldRO>>the 7" x 10" lathe from Grizzly Imports be capable of performingRO>>(ferrules, reel seats...)? Any comments on quality, etc.?RO>>RO>>ThanksRO>>RO>>Scott WilsonRO>>RO>> from Grhghlndr@aol.com Mon Aug 3 21:53:09 1998 Subject: Re: Re: Sanding between varnish coats Jon,you are right if you don't level the surface each coat will just accentuatethe blemishes. Paint, varnish etc. will not fill in any voids.Bret from rcochran@cadvision.com Tue Aug 4 07:26:01 1998 archivesrcochran@cadvision.com from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Tue Aug 4 07:57:43 1998 Subject: Re: Apex scraping Tom,No, the notched anvil is one of those things I have been meaning to get,but Istill haven't done it yet. Richard Tyree mentioned one source to me; arethereother sources?Harry TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: Harry - If your angles are correct, planing the apex will not change thefinished dimensions. Your problem may be that you are crushing the apexwhenmeasuring the strip, and getting a false measurement. This is very easyto do,and will result in an oversize rod. Do you have a measuring setup with a60*notched anvil to measure the strip? It's the only way to avoid theproblem. from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Tue Aug 4 08:05:02 1998 Subject: Re: Southern Rod Makers, Where and when? Terry,My original post follows. That should give you the general idea.As things stand now, Harold and Eileen Demarest will do a talk/slideshow on Tonkin Cane. Richard Tyree will do some sort of demo on someof his very innovative ideas. I'll do a brief demo of the TomSmithwick/George Barnes Sharpening Method, Bill Lamberson will try todo a demo of the Morgan Hand Milll if he has it up and running by thattime, Leo Eck will do a talk, either on historically accuraterestorations or making one's own ferrules and real seats, Kurt Loupwill do an "assemble your own scraper" workshop, and Tony Spezio whois yet to build a rod will do an intro to building your own forms,binder, etc. I will set a more structured agenda after a few of the"maybe's" are firmed up.Looking at this roster, it sounds like we will have quite a bit tooffer the newcomer. I'm trying to talk some more experienced buildersinto doing something for those who already have a few rods under theirbelts.We hope to see you on October 1,Harry SOUTHERN BAMBOO RODMAKERS GATHERING A Southern Rodmakers Gathering will be held prior to the SouthernCouncil Federation of Fly Fishers Conclave at Mountain Home, Arkansas, October 2-4,1988. This will be an informal gathering held at the Riverside Pavillion of Quarry State Park on the Norfork River, Thursday October 1, 1988.Plans are to gather 30+ rodmakers together, cast each other's rods,hear and see presentations from any and all volunteers, split someculms, plane some strips, demonstrate tools, swap equipment, askquestions, brag, laugh, eat, drink, and fish one of the best troutstreams in the world.All Rodmakers and potential rodmakers should make plans toattend. Bring all your rods and what tools you can carry, and learn from the other Rodmakers present.The Pavillion is equipped with a large BBQ pit available to anyone who wants to cook. Bring your own food and drink, or make a quick run to the small town of Norfork to eat at one of the cafes.Hopes are that this will be the fore-runner of more formalgatherings in days to come. Many talented rodmakers live and work inthe Southern United States and have little opportunity to attendsimilar gatherings in other parts of the country. By holding thisfirst informal gathering we hope to develop an annual time and place Any Rodmaker interested in giving a presentation or demonstratingany area of bamboo rodmaking, please contact Harry Boyd at(318)435-4359 or (318)435-2278 (evenings), or throughe-mail at: fbcwin@fsbnet.com Terry L. Kirkpatrick wrote: Mountain Home, Ark Where and when "Dances with Sunfish" Kirkpatrick--Safety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from TSmithwick@aol.com Tue Aug 4 09:04:53 1998 Subject: Re: Apex scraping In a message dated 8/4/98 12:58:14 PM, you wrote: Harry - The only source I have heard of is John Long, in Michigan. I don'thave his address, however. You may be able to help yourself by carefullyfiling a notch into caliper jaws with a toolmakers triangle file. Thebottomof the notch will be rounded, no doubt but you can get around that bytaking alight cut with a very fine jewlers saw, leaving a notch that looks like this"Y". I would make the notch about .020 deep.Alternately, you could sacrifice a machinist's center. Take the edge withthesmallest notch and grind it away, until the notch is .020 deep. Then grindmost of the rest of the gauge away, so that you can mount it on the caliperjaws with some sort of clamp. from jsbond@inforamp.net Tue Aug 4 09:28:22 1998 Subject: Re: Angles Jon Since one of the keys to saving time planing is to ensure that the blade isin the exact spot each time, you need to make a jig. Rather thancomplicatedmath, I suggest an inexpensive angle protractor to establish the"protruding" length and then make a jig. This should work fine with yourjazzy plexiglass components I have seen. JB At 05:10 PM 7/22/98 +0000, you wrote:Perhaps someone could explain the math for setting a veritas sharpening jig. Specifically, if I wanted to sharpen a blade to 32 and 35 and 37 degrees, how would I figure out the distance to the end of the blade. i use jigs so the angle is the same every time. Sorry if the question is basic.Jon Lintvet8602 Wild Olive StreetPotomac, MD 20854(800) 836-7558(301) 340-0194 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Tue Aug 4 09:49:37 1998 Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:49:26 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Handy hints from the Antipodes OK,this is a little obscure but work has just done a massive upgrade of computer gear and I was wondering what to do with an old pc and dot matrix printer when it hit me I could turn them into a device to lift the rod from the dip tube. I only wrote this little prog this morning during a coffee break so I haven't gone into details but I had in mind using the printer with a reel of some sort attached to the printer winder. The programme simply causes the printer to line feed at a rate of about 6" per min on a 486 DX266. To stop the printer so you can allow drainage of varnish at the guides, just take the printer off line, then put it back on line and restart the prog.I made the prog so it will just go until it prints about 4' because I thought that if you gave it long enough to do the whole removal (like 2-3 mins between each line feed) you wouldn't need to halt the printer at all and it would stop itself. You can adjust all this to suit.It's writen in C, sould have done it in QB but I can't remember it. The exe is only 6k. /********** Programme from heredown**********************************/ /*LIFT.C AVY 04/08/98*//*Very bare bones prog to print a single line at a time to the std printer I'd like to take the oppertunity to thank my boss for providing the time to write this little number. If only he knew the service he's provided */ /*To alter the length of the page printed increase i from 154 up, as aguidei =16 will print approx 5 inches of page length ie 154 is approx 4 feetor i with a value of 3 is about 3/4 of an inch. Things are MUCH easier inmetric*/ /*To alter the delay between lines being printed increase j up or down.On a 486 DX266 j=14400000 will cause the page to be fed about 6 inchesin 1 min.*/ /*As each line feed occurs the time is printed on the page, so all you needto do is measure the length between printed times and adjust the values the rod's withdrawl from the dip tube*/ /*Feel free to use and or alter this prog in any way you wish except forthe removal of this sentance, but I take ABSOLUTELY NO responsability forthe outcome of it's use. */ #include #include #include void main(void){long i,j; /*DON'T alter this bit*/char tmpbuf[128]; /*DON'T alter this bit*/ /* Display DOS-style date and time. */_strtime( tmpbuf );printf( "DOS time:\t\t\t\t%s\n", tmpbuf );fprintf(stdprn, "DOS time:\t\t%s\n", tmpbuf ); /*prints the time */ for( i = 0 ; i from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Tue Aug 4 10:11:34 1998 Subject: Re: Apex scraping boundary="------------AEBECB6E014805F9690F9195" --------------AEBECB6E014805F9690F9195 Wow, Tom -- You have much more confidence in the steadiness of myhands and myabilities with files and jeweler's saws than I do. If you saw me shakingbeforemorning coffee, you might think otherwise. > Think I'll call JohnLongwhen I get back from fishing the rest of the week. I know I have hisnumber inthis computer somewhere! Tongue firmly in cheek,Harry TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/4/98 12:58:14 PM, you wrote: but Istill haven't done it yet. Richard Tyree mentioned one source to me; arethereother sources?>> Harry - The only source I have heard of is John Long, in Michigan. I don'thave his address, however. You may be able to help yourself by carefullyfiling a notch into caliper jaws with a toolmakers triangle file. Thebottomof the notch will be rounded, no doubt but you can get around that bytaking alight cut with a very fine jewlers saw, leaving a notch that looks likethis"Y". I would make the notch about .020 deep.Alternately, you could sacrifice a machinist's center. Take the edge withthesmallest notch and grind it away, until the notch is .020 deep. Then grindmost of the rest of the gauge away, so that you can mount it on thecaliperjaws with some sort of clamp. --------------AEBECB6E014805F9690F9195 Wow, Tom -- You have much more confidence in the steadiness ofmy you saw me shaking before morning coffee, you might think otherwise. Think I'll call John Long when I get back from fishing the rest of the Tongue firmly in cheek,Harry TSmithwick@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 8/4/98 12:58:14 PM, youwrote: << No, the notched anvil is one of those things I have beenmeaningto get,but I to me; arethereother sources?>> Harry - The only source I have heard of is John Long, in Michigan. Idon't carefullyfiling a notch into caliper jaws with a toolmakers triangle file. Thebottomof the notch will be rounded, no doubt but you can get around that light cut with a very fine jewlers saw, leaving a notch that lookslike this"Y". I would make the notch about .020 deep.Alternately, you could sacrifice a machinist's center. Take the edgewith thesmallest notch and grind it away, until the notch is .020 deep. Thengrindmost of the rest of the gauge away, so that you can mount it on thecaliperjaws with some sort of clamp. --------------AEBECB6E014805F9690F9195-- from RVenneri@aol.com Tue Aug 4 18:56:07 1998 Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Ed'Did you receive the brochure I sent you if not let me know I will sendanother. If so what do you think. Is this something you might beinterestedin? Best Regards,Bob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882 from tomchandler@earthlink.net Tue Aug 4 22:21:27 1998 Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Hey Bob: I didn't get your brochure but I did get to see pictures of your workonline. I really liked your screwlock seats, I think they're gorgeous.I'll let you know in a day or two what I'm going to do. Thanks!Tom Chandler -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Ed'Did you receive the brochure I sent you if not let me know I will sendanother. If so what do you think. Is this something you might beinterestedin?Best Regards,Bob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882 from eestlow@srminc.com Wed Aug 5 08:19:22 1998 86256657.0049BFDD ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:25:32 -0500 Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Forgive me, which Ed might you have been referring to? I did not requestorreceive one. -Ed Estlow RVenneri@aol.com on 08/04/98 06:55:24 PM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Ed'Did you receive the brochure I sent you if not let me know I will sendanother. If so what do you think. Is this something you might beinterestedin?Best Regards,Bob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882 from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Wed Aug 5 08:32:38 1998 (modemcable168.174.mmtl.videotron.net JAA26564 for Subject: RE: FW: (Daily dumb question) Planing Forms Hi David. Do you have a phone number for W. Hoffman by any chance? I'm inMontreal and would love to shop Canadian on this since our dollar is sohammered down these days. Richard -----Original Message----- parkerdh@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Subject: Re: FW: (Daily dumb question) Planing Forms I can suggest the name of Walter Hoffman n Edmonton who has builtexcellent forms on the Garrison style for both me and another rod-builder.With the Canadian dollar the way it is, you could get a real bargain. David Parker On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Richard Nantel wrote: Does anyone know the names and perhaps coordinates of the Canadianmakersofplaning forms Christopher is refer to? Thanks Richard (in Montreal, Quebec, Canada) -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu CMCDOWELLSent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 11:31 AM Subject: RE: (Daily dumb question) Planing Forms Steve, I don't know of anything used, but there are some planing forms availableat lower prices. I can only speak of the Colorado Bootstrap forms. I'mworking on the first rod for these forms and things are progressing well.Adjustments are quick and easy. I think they are $350 or $375 and thatincludes shipping. There is another forms maker in Canada as well, thatothers on the list know of. Good luck. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from Grhghlndr@aol.com Wed Aug 5 09:40:34 1998 Subject: Re: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Tom, i would highly recommend RVenneri for reelseats. I bought one and thequalitywas incredible.Bret from mcreek@sirus.com Wed Aug 5 11:33:27 1998 Subject: Re: Apex Scraping/thick sections Harry, Had the same problem. Mine turned out to be actually a blunted 60degree point on the depth guage, so my form settings were too large.Now I keep a few points around and anytime I think I may have a problemI try a new point. I started babying the point with a stand I drilled ahole in between uses, or you can just lay it on its side. Something to look at, anyway. Brian from teekay35@interlynx.net Wed Aug 5 12:24:40 1998 Subject: Re: FW: (Daily dumb question) Planing Forms Richard, Grindstone Anglers of Waterdown, Ontario, sell a Canadian madeplaning form. The price is approx. $3oo.00 Can. and they are very wellmade. I have two of the forms in use and get cosistent, accurate results from them. Call Grindstone Anglers at 905-689-0880 ----------From: Richard Nantel Subject: RE: FW: (Daily dumb question) Planing FormsDate: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 9:19 AM Hi David. Do you have a phone number for W. Hoffman by any chance? I'minMontreal and would love to shop Canadian on this since our dollar is sohammered down these days. Richard -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu parkerdh@freenet.edmonton.ab.caSent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 12:01 AM Subject: Re: FW: (Daily dumb question) Planing Forms I can suggest the name of Walter Hoffman n Edmonton who has builtexcellent forms on the Garrison style for both me and anotherrod-builder.With the Canadian dollar the way it is, you could get a real bargain. David Parker On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Richard Nantel wrote: Does anyone know the names and perhaps coordinates of the Canadianmakersofplaning forms Christopher is refer to? Thanks Richard (in Montreal, Quebec, Canada) -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu CHRISTOPHER CMCDOWELLSent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 11:31 AM Subject: RE: (Daily dumb question) Planing Forms Steve, I don't know of anything used, but there are some planing formsavailableat lower prices. I can only speak of the Colorado Bootstrap forms. I'mworking on the first rod for these forms and things are progressingwell.Adjustments are quick and easy. I think they are $350 or $375 and thatincludes shipping. There is another forms maker in Canada as well,thatothers on the list know of. Good luck. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Wed Aug 5 12:39:12 1998 (modemcable168.174.mmtl.videotron.net NAA28810 for Subject: RE: FW: (Daily dumb question) Planing Forms Hi Ted. I did call them last week. The forms are now $350 and there's a 2- 3month waiting list. I'll likely build wooden ones for now since I'm ready tostart. Richard -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: FW: (Daily dumb question) Planing Forms Richard, Grindstone Anglers of Waterdown, Ontario, sell a Canadian madeplaning form. The price is approx. $3oo.00 Can. and they are very wellmade. I have two of the forms in use and get cosistent, accurate results from them. Call Grindstone Anglers at 905-689-0880 ----------From: Richard Nantel Subject: RE: FW: (Daily dumb question) Planing FormsDate: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 9:19 AM Hi David. Do you have a phone number for W. Hoffman by any chance? I'minMontreal and would love to shop Canadian on this since our dollar is sohammered down these days. Richard -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu parkerdh@freenet.edmonton.ab.caSent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 12:01 AM Subject: Re: FW: (Daily dumb question) Planing Forms I can suggest the name of Walter Hoffman n Edmonton who has builtexcellent forms on the Garrison style for both me and anotherrod-builder.With the Canadian dollar the way it is, you could get a real bargain. David Parker On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Richard Nantel wrote: Does anyone know the names and perhaps coordinates of the Canadianmakersofplaning forms Christopher is refer to? Thanks Richard (in Montreal, Quebec, Canada) -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu CHRISTOPHER CMCDOWELLSent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 11:31 AM Subject: RE: (Daily dumb question) Planing Forms Steve, I don't know of anything used, but there are some planing formsavailableat lower prices. I can only speak of the Colorado Bootstrap forms.I'mworking on the first rod for these forms and things are progressingwell.Adjustments are quick and easy. I think they are $350 or $375 and thatincludes shipping. There is another forms maker in Canada as well,thatothers on the list know of. Good luck. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from RVenneri@aol.com Wed Aug 5 15:12:44 1998 Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Dear List Members:My apologies for sending the last posts I sent to advertise my reel seats. Iwanted to send them off list but I made a mistake and sent them to thelist.Please forgive me sometimes i push buttons before i lookBest Regards,Bob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882 from dhaftel@att.com Wed Aug 5 15:27:34 1998 sender att.com!dhaftel (att.com!dhaftel); Wed Aug 5 15:27 CDT 1998 8.6/EMS-1.2sol2) (5.5.1960.3) Subject: RE: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Hey Bob, Are you going to make it to the Catskills Gathering in September? I'd loveto see some of your work "up close and personal". Dennis Haftel -----Original Message-----From: RVenneri@aol.com [SMTP:RVenneri@aol.com]Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 4:11 PM Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Dear List Members:My apologies for sending the last posts I sent to advertise my reel seats.Iwanted to send them off list but I made a mistake and sent them to thelist.Please forgive me sometimes i push buttons before i lookBest Regards,Bob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882 from RVenneri@aol.com Wed Aug 5 15:33:57 1998 Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Dennis,I sure will be going to the gathering Hope to see you thereBob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477 from sjstill@indy.net Wed Aug 5 17:28:33 1998 Subject: test testSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.net from channer@hubwest.com Wed Aug 5 18:13:46 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A75CD6C01FE; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:14:36 MDT Subject: Gene Edwards 7'6" To all those that expressed an interest in the Gene Edwards rod I have, Ihave saved the tapers on the web interface to Hexrod under G and G2. Thetwo tips had different enough measurements that I entered them both sothatthey can be compared. The stress curves are interesting, look parabolic tome, but I am not very good at recognizing the different curves, yet. Iguessed from the dimensions that this is a 6wt., but after looking at thestress values, I think it could be a &wt., maybe some of the guys that aregood at the numbers and curves could take a look and comment for theenlightenment of the rest of us. John Channer from emiller257@dataflo.net Wed Aug 5 18:54:14 1998 wddataflo.dataflo.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA13798 for Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? RVenneri@aol.com wrote: Ed'Did you receive the brochure I sent you if not let me know I will sendanother. If so what do you think. Is this something you might beinterestedin?Best Regards,Bob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882Bob, I have not received any information yet. I will be inthemarket for some reel seats in the fall. I will email you shortly with my address. Ed M. from flyfisher@cmix.com Wed Aug 5 19:27:53 1998 Subject: Request for info on a rodmaker! All, I recently received Len Codella's latest cane rod & fly reel list andnoted some nice sounding rods by a modern maker - Mark Edmonds. I don'tanything about him. Does anyone know him or his work? Understudy ofanyone? General comments? Mark, are you on rodmakers? Thx, Don Burns from teekay35@interlynx.net Wed Aug 5 20:01:54 1998 Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product? Hi, Bob. I too will be at the Roscoe Gathering and would like to see yourproducts. ----------From: RVenneri@aol.com Subject: Re: RVenneri/quality of service and product?Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 4:32 PM Dennis,I sure will be going to the gathering Hope to see you thereBob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477 from Grhghlndr@aol.com Wed Aug 5 20:58:54 1998 Subject: Len Codella Can any1 give me the info on how to get Len's list? I used to get it butmoved and don't receive it anymore. Thanks.Bret from flyfisher@cmix.com Wed Aug 5 21:55:52 1998 Subject: RE:Len Codella RO>Can any1 give me the info on how to get Len's list? I used to get it butRO>moved and don't receive it anymore. Thanks.RO>Bret Bret, Sure can. You can email him at: len@codella.com or call (352) 637-5420 - FAX(352) 637-5454 or write him at: Heritage Sporting Collectibles2201 South Carnegie DriveInverness, Florida 34450 Cost is $5.00/year (3 or 4 issues) unless you purchase once in 2 years -but the first issue should be free. Don Burnsflyfisher@cmix.com or canerods@aol.com from flyfisher@cmix.com Thu Aug 6 06:50:32 1998 Subject: Test too quiet dgb from rmoon@ida.net Thu Aug 6 07:17:19 1998 Subject: Re:FFF Bamboo Rod Symposium The FFF Bamboo Rod Symposium was held yesterday, and from all accountswas a very successful event. There were many people present known tothe list, including our friend from Japan, Christian Thalacker. Heshowed me his first rod which was entirely hand made, not only abeautiful rod, but even to the ferrules and the reel seat. For a firsteffort this has to be one of the finest rods I have ever seen. Zen musthave its place. My sincere thanks to all of you who in one way oranother contributed to the success of this event. I wish I could nameyou all, but some many offered support advice and assistance I'd spend ahalf day at the keyboard. Thank You Again. Ralph Moon from sjstill@indy.net Thu Aug 6 08:43:11 1998 Subject: ISP is AFU Hi All, Well, my ISP upgraded the other night and the mail server got clogged up :- ([so much for the "S" in ISP] At any rate, if anyone has sent me personal e-mail and I have notresponded,it's because I haven't recieved it yet! "May" be up later today. The checkis in the mail too :-( I'm not even sure if this will get out! Only good thing is, I get to start splitting cane this afternoon! Suffering thru e-mail withdrawl, SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@indy.net from ragnarig@integrityol.com Thu Aug 6 14:52:30 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB559024E; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:00:21 PDT Subject: para tapers ? Dear List Does anybody have tapers for PH Young rods which are not alreadygenerallyavailable? I have the Midge, the Driggs, the Para-14 (I think I do, but there is somequestion on that one.) the Para 15, Para 17 and the General. Anyone whocanfill in any of the blanks will be doing a great service to all, butespecially myself :-) I notice on the current Classic Chronicle that they have a Para-16 instock.Does anybody in the Colorado Springs area have a good enough rapport withMr. Spurr that he might let you come in and measure it? ThanksDavy from davidjrogers@hotmail.com Thu Aug 6 14:54:27 1998 Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:53:48 PDT Subject: The International Guild of Rodmakers? I ran across the Guild of American Luthiers website at http://www.luth.com/. I started thinking that this forum (rodmakers) is a lot like what they were doing 25 years ago. It makes me wonder when or if we will take this to the next level of organization or if it might be possible. We now have a lot of loosely tied efforts to continue and grow the business of rodmaking. Some of those are this listserve, Jerry's Rodmakers page, TPF, various and sundry "enclaves", and the new bamboo rod magazine. Most or all of these are out there to promote the craft. A formal guild might be an interesting proposition (and a nightmare to start up!)... I'd be interested in a discussion to this end. David Rogers ______________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com from channer@hubwest.com Thu Aug 6 18:03:01 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A6557569013C; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 17:03:49 MDT Subject: Re: para tapers ? At 12:50 PM 8/6/98 -0700, you wrote: Dear List Does anybody have tapers for PH Young rods which are not alreadygenerallyavailable? I have the Midge, the Driggs, the Para-14 (I think I do, but there is somequestion on that one.) the Para 15, Para 17 and the General. Anyone whocanfill in any of the blanks will be doing a great service to all, butespecially myself :-) I notice on the current Classic Chronicle that they have a Para-16 instock.Does anybody in the Colorado Springs area have a good enough rapportwithMr. Spurr that he might let you come in and measure it? ThanksDavy Davy;I can give you the tapers for the Perfection and the Martha Marie, both 7'6" rods, one 4 wt. and the other for 5/6. let me know and I will send themoff list. They are in the book that George Maurer and Bernard Elsler putout a year or two ago, if you have access to that book. John Channer from rcurry@top.monad.net Thu Aug 6 19:35:13 1998 Subject: Re: The International Guild of Rodmakers? David Rogers wrote:We now have a lot of loosely tied efforts to continue and grow thebusiness of rodmaking. Some of those are this listserve, Jerry'sRodmakers page, TPF, various and sundry "enclaves", and the new bamboorod magazine. David,I prefer to think that Grayrock is nothing as stuffy or pretentious asan "enclave". A "Gathering", maybe.Best regards,Reed from Nodewrrior@aol.com Thu Aug 6 20:59:21 1998 Subject: Re: Mauer/Elsler book I've heard this book mentioned before as a source for some great classictapers. Is it still available? Is/was published? Rob Hoffhines from channer@hubwest.com Thu Aug 6 21:06:23 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A15776C5013C; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 20:07:19 MDT Subject: Dick Spurr Davy;I forgot to mention that Dick Spurr is in Grand Junction, not ColoradoSprings. I wouldn't want anyone happening to dive thru Colorado Springsandthink they were going to find Dick there.John from fquinchat@locl.net Thu Aug 6 21:55:22 1998 (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21693 for ;Thu, 6 Aug Subject: Re: Knurling tool Still looking for knurling tools. ----------From: Fquinchat Subject: Knurling toolDate: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 7:48 PM At the Grand Gathering someone gave me a source for jewlers tools. Ihavesince lost the information. Specificly I looking for a knurling tool for working a 3/4" OD on reelseathardware. Also for smaller dia winding checks. Would like to have averyfine rope design. Anyone have any sources? Thanks, Dennis Bertram from WayneCatt@aol.com Thu Aug 6 23:27:49 1998 Subject: Distribution Help :-( It's seems that in order to make Hexrod 97 1/2 work on a machineotherthan my own - where all the referranced files and such are - requiresseveralmeg - so to distribute it I have condensed it to a Zip file and will try tohave it at my website - any kind advice from those that have done thesethingswould be greatly appreciated. Another little issue is that it is bigger thanwhat AOL allows per screen name - am considering purchasing a CD - rw -advice???You know this is what upsets me with this da%% Windows thing - theonlyextra that was really added to the program was the ability to print andshowstress graphs - in doing so the program size went from 60 K to Mega Megs-progress huh ?? - So this is how it feels at the leading edge. Wayne from WayneCatt@aol.com Thu Aug 6 23:48:36 1998 Subject: Re: para tapers ? Davy -You left out a few models that you might like - Para 13 - Princess - Boyne- Yellowstone - Texas General - will do some digging and fill in the blanks-about a week - I have had my arm twisted and am headed to Grayrock Wayne from WayneCatt@aol.com Thu Aug 6 23:51:12 1998 Subject: Re: para tapers ? John -the tapers you mentioned might not be the correct originals from WayneCatt@aol.com Thu Aug 6 23:52:34 1998 Subject: Re: para tapers ? long story from channer@hubwest.com Fri Aug 7 00:36:06 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A279781F013C; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:36:57 MDT Subject: Re: para tapers ? At 12:50 AM 8/7/98 EDT, you wrote:John -the tapers you mentioned might not be the correct originals Wayne;Please explain, I only know what the book says. The tapers were named bymaker,model, length and line weght.John from channer@hubwest.com Fri Aug 7 00:41:34 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A3C37827013C; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:42:27 MDT Subject: Re: Mauer/Elsler book At 09:58 PM 8/6/98 EDT, you wrote:I've heard this book mentioned before as a source for some great classictapers. Is it still available? Is/was published? Rob Hoffhines Rob;As far as I know, it is still available. It is a different book than theone that is supposed to come out this fall, I think. I was lent this oneand have returned it already, it is spiral bound and not very big, yes, itdoes have some great tapers given in the back, not as many as The LovelyReed or Waynes book, but more than enough to make it worth having, orborrowing.John from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 7 02:44:24 1998 Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:44:13 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: para tapers ? On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 WayneCatt@aol.com wrote: Davy -You left out a few models that you might like - Para 13 - Princess - Boyne- Yellowstone - Texas General - will do some digging and fill in theblanks -about a week - I have had my arm twisted and am headed to Grayrock Wayne Wayne,any possibility of finding the taper for the Princess and emailing it myway? Re. Windoze files and their size, couldn't agree more with your comments. I'm a DOS hold out myself and my email reader is Unix Pine so it's a good thing I can read html as well as English so I can read all these new emails with formating that makes what used to be a 50k message become500k, most in formating but my back's to the wall now and I've had to buy a 2gb hdd and 32mb RAM and CD just to do simple tasks I used to run right off a floppy (360k at that), though I do admit it all looks much nicer and when things work well it realy does work well. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Fri Aug 7 03:08:00 1998 post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA06471 for; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:16:45 +0100 Subject: The Grantham Beveller At last, I have a couple of (not very good) photographs of the Granthambeveller. I'm yacht racing all this week, but will scan and post when I getback to the office next week. I understand that Barry is going to offer this with or without poweredcross- feed. As I have said before, this is very much a pro. item ofequipment. If Hardy's, Orvis, or Winston, were thinking of investing in anew beveller, this would sensibly be on their short list. I'll try to get some prices from Barry. It simply CANNOT be a cheap option. John Cooper (England) from flyfisher@cmix.com Fri Aug 7 06:58:39 1998 Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( RO> It's seems that in order to make Hexrod 97 1/2 work on a machineotherRO>than my own - where all the referranced files and such are - requiresseveraRO>meg - so to distribute it I have condensed it to a Zip file and will trytoRO>have it at my website - any kind advice from those that have donethese thinRO>would be greatly appreciated. Another little issue is that it is biggerthanRO>what AOL allows per screen name - am considering purchasing a CD -rw -RO>advice???RO> You know this is what upsets me with this da%% Windows thing -the onlyRO>extra that was really added to the program was the ability to print andshowRO>stress graphs - in doing so the program size went from 60 K to MegaMegs -RO>progress huh ?? - So this is how it feels at the leading edge. RO>WayneRO>RO> Wayne, I think Darryl H. has a R/W CD - he should be able to help. I just installed W98 on my notebook. But 1st I needed to delete some"unneeded" files to make the install program happy about my HD space - 1/2 through the install it aborted due to lack of space. So needed fileswent into the trash bin. W98 is more than 200 meg's in size just by itself. I remember when my old Z80 CP/M 2.2 machine (64K ram) only had twin 8"floppys with a total of ~1.2 meg's of disk space each and could holdmany programs per disk. Progress! Don B. from dickfuhrman@rheemote.com Fri Aug 7 08:30:51 1998 (may beforged)) Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( RO>Wayne, RO>I think Darryl H. has a R/W CD - he should be able to help. RO>I just installed W98 on my notebook. But 1st I needed to delete someRO>"unneeded" files to make the install program happy about my HD space-RO>1/2 through the install it aborted due to lack of space. So needed filesRO>went into the trash bin. RO>W98 is more than 200 meg's in size just by itself. RO>I remember when my old Z80 CP/M 2.2 machine (64K ram) only hadtwin 8"RO>floppys with a total of ~1.2 meg's of disk space each and could holdRO>many programs per disk. Progress! RO>Don B. Wayne / Don Didn't Darryl say he was on vacation fishing? He had purchased a RW CD.That was when he was looking at creating a CD of the archives. Don, was that Z80 CP/M 2.2 machine a Xerox 820 by any chance? That'swhat the company Information Services Department bought wheneverybodywas clamoring for PC's early on. IS couldn't understand why everybodydidn't want to work on the mainframe with all of its security and userunfriendliness. It took two years to get a change made to a program.Three more more years to get a new program written and debugged. Ifinally sidestepped them by calling a KayPro 2000 (Early Laptop) aprogrammer and troubleshooting tool for the Programmable LogicControllers (PLC's) that I was implementing in R&D. It was driven froma single 720K 3 1/2 " floppy. Now the mainframe is basically a server Dick Fuhrman from gwbarnes@gwi.net Fri Aug 7 08:51:21 1998 Subject: Re: Distribution Help :-( flyfisher@cmix.com wrote: I think Darryl H. has a R/W CD - he should be able to help. I just installed W98 on my notebook. But 1st I needed to delete some"unneeded" files to make the install program happy about my HD space - 1/2 through the install it aborted due to lack of space. So needed fileswent into the trash bin. W98 is more than 200 meg's in size just by itself. I remember when my old Z80 CP/M 2.2 machine (64K ram) only had twin8"floppys with a total of ~1.2 meg's of disk space each and could holdmany programs per disk. Progress! Don B. Things have changed for sure. My first encounter was with an LGP 21 withamagnificent 4K of memory. Had to program in machine language and onlycost$28,000.We ran a 125 person engineering firm with it for four years though. George B. from dmanders@ccinet.ab.ca Fri Aug 7 09:26:01 1998 IAA32463 Subject: Re:[1] The International Guild of Rodmakers? At 12:53 06/08/98 PDT, Dave wrote: We now have a lot of loosely tied efforts to continue and grow the business of rodmaking. Some of those are this listserve, Jerry's Rodmakers page, TPF, various and sundry "enclaves", and the new bamboo rod magazine. Most or all of these are out there to promote the craft. A formal guild might be an interesting proposition (and a nightmare to start up!)... I'd be interested in a discussion to this end. David Rogers David, Some of the original attendees @ the Merritt gathering kicked around the Some things became painfully obvious: - who's going to judge the apprentice's work- how do you establish "masters"- some folks first rod is better than the 10>50 of another- mentoring - how's is it done- do the USA guys set the tone of the guild - what about the European's,Canadians and even Australians.- are face to face meetings required to get your work judged before youbecome a master- who can afford all this- and as suggested by one - "who cares" And lastly, I think it got buried in a alcoholic haze. If you try it - lots of luck, Don from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 7 09:30:46 1998 Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:30:39 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( I just installed W98 on my notebook. But 1st I needed to delete some"unneeded" files to make the install program happy about my HD space - 1/2 through the install it aborted due to lack of space. So needed fileswent into the trash bin. W98 is more than 200 meg's in size just by itself. I remember when my old Z80 CP/M 2.2 machine (64K ram) only had twin8"floppys with a total of ~1.2 meg's of disk space each and could holdmany programs per disk. Progress! Don B. That should have been Progress? (?)Still, it's all relative. A couple of years back and I do mean a couple 1mb if RAM cost about $100.00 and it was a pretty big deal to have a 8mb machine with a 300mb hdd. The RAM would have been circa $800 and thehdd would be about $500.Last week I bought 16 sets of 32mb EDO RAM @ $138 each for a total of$2208.Two years back that would have been about $50,000. The 2 x 8gb mirrored hdd's I just installed were not even known of but the 4gb hdds that were around were over 5,000 each. Banks had these suckers! I got these two at the same time I got the RAM for $1,200 each. The little XT sitting in a box in the store room used to be the pride and joy of the place I work for and now dosn't even excite a mention from my little girl who dosn't believe me when I explained a slide rule. She wouldn't even believe there was a time before calculators until she saw Apolo 13 and saw the techs slide ruling. The computers in Apolo wouldn'trun pac man now.Has Bill Gates made anybody happier? Is Bill happier? Actually who cares if Bill is happier.Where do I want to go today? A stream some where. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from dickfuhrman@rheemote.com Fri Aug 7 10:16:51 1998 (may beforged)) Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( RO>The little XT sitting in a box in the store room used to be the pride andRO>joy of the place I work for and now dosn't even excite a mention frommyRO>little girl who dosn't believe me when I explained a slide rule. SheRO>wouldn't even believe there was a time before calculators until shesawRO>Apolo 13 and saw the techs slide ruling. Tony, I get a lot of comment because I have a 7' Pickett instructional sliderule hanging from the ceiling of my cubicle. I picked it up for $5.00several years ago at the Yard Sale of a now defunct Girls BoardingSchool in town. A lot of people don't believe that I can still solveproblems on it faster than they can on a calculator until I challangethem and prove them slow. They won't believe my answer until they havedouble checked it on their calculator. One of my retired bosses wife had his slide rule mounted in a shadow boxframe with a brass plague that read " In case of Emergency, BREAKGLASS". Back to fishing. One of the other engineers had found a huge fishhookin a garage sale and he mounted it to piece of driftwood with a plaguethat read, Think BIG. Dick Fuhrman from Grhghlndr@aol.com Fri Aug 7 11:27:57 1998 Subject: Re: ISP is AFU Steve,I sent you mail please call me.Bret from lcdr.hallowell@smtp.cnet.navy.mil Fri Aug 7 14:02:58 1998 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08291; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:04:24 -0500 R8.00.01) Subject: Re[2]: Distribution Help :-( Ok, talk about technology, I just met a guy that is completely paralyzedand took his laptop with dragon dictate on it (Hands free software) to thestream tofish on his computer. Who'd thought we could do that just 2 years ago. Mark ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( Author: at INTERNET I just installed W98 on my notebook. But 1st I needed to delete some"unneeded" files to make the install program happy about my HD space - 1/2 through the install it aborted due to lack of space. So needed files went into the trash bin. W98 is more than 200 meg's in size just by itself. I remember when my old Z80 CP/M 2.2 machine (64K ram) only had twin8" floppys with a total of ~1.2 meg's of disk space each and could holdmany programs per disk. Progress! Don B. That should have been Progress? (?)Still, it's all relative. A couple of years back and I do mean a couple 1mb if RAM cost about $100.00 and it was a pretty big deal to have a 8mb machine with a 300mb hdd. The RAM would have been circa $800 and thehdd would be about $500.Last week I bought 16 sets of 32mb EDO RAM @ $138 each for a total of$2208. Two years back that would have been about $50,000. The 2 x 8gb mirrored hdd's I just installed were not even known of but the 4gb hdds that were around were over 5,000 each. Banks had these suckers! I got these two at the same time I got the RAM for $1,200 each. The little XT sitting in a box in the store room used to be the pride and joy of the place I work for and now dosn't even excite a mention from my little girl who dosn't believe me when I explained a slide rule. She wouldn't even believe there was a time before calculators until she saw Apolo 13 and saw the techs slide ruling. The computers in Apolo wouldn'trun pac man now.Has Bill Gates made anybody happier? Is Bill happier? Actually who cares if Bill is happier.Where do I want to go today? A stream some where. Tony /***********************************************************************/ Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html The Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from gespliesst@bluewin.ch Fri Aug 7 14:35:28 1998 (MET DST) Subject: Tom Morgan Mill Dear Friends and Teachers! Has anyone just some experience with the new Tom Morgan hand mill?Thoughts, Ideas and also critics... Thanks in advance Stefan Switzerland from flyfisher@cmix.com Fri Aug 7 14:52:12 1998 Subject: RE[2]:Distribution Help :-( RO>Don, was that Z80 CP/M 2.2 machine a Xerox 820 by any chance? That'sRO>what the company Information Services Department bought wheneverybodyRO>was clamoring for PC's early on. IS couldn't understand why everybodyRO>didn't want to work on the mainframe with all of its security and userRO>unfriendliness. It took two years to get a change made to a program.RO>Three more more years to get a new program written and debugged. IRO>finally sidestepped them by calling a KayPro 2000 (Early Laptop) aRO>programmer and troubleshooting tool for the Programmable LogicRO>Controllers (PLC's) that I was implementing in R&D. It was drivenfromRO>a single 720K 3 1/2 " floppy. Now the mainframe is basically a serverRO>for the PC intranet within the company. Ain't it grand? RO>Dick Fuhrman Dick, Nope, but I did help a friend buy a 820 with a 5 or 10 meg HD once. Iowned (2) Delta Products S-100 mainframes. Oh yeah, also a US RoboticsS-100 dual speed 300/600 baud modem - the 600 baud was a non-stdspeedin those days. I still have the (2) S-100 boxes taking up space in the garage. Thelocal school didn't even return my call when I tried to donate them. Butback to fishing - anyone need two good heavy boat anchors? Don PS - sorry for the bandwidth, my ISP's software only shows the rodmakerslist-serv address on incoming rodmaker emails. from ragnarig@integrityol.com Fri Aug 7 15:48:17 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9CDD6006C; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 13:55:41 PDT Subject: Re: Re:[1] The International Guild of Rodmakers? Dear Dave, Don et al. The Guild of American Luthiers is a great organization mainly because itisnot a traditional "guild' in the European sense. The founder and guidinglight, Tim Olsen of Tacoma, has resisted at every step the notion that weneed to have established professional standards and classification ofcraftsmen into "Masters", "Journeymen" etc. There was, several years ago,afaction which split off in order to do something more along those lines i.e.they wanted their organization to focus on professional luthiers while theGAL is more general in scope. A quarterly magazine of professionalqualityis published, as well as a growing catalog of lutherie books, and aconvention held every two or three years. They also offer, at nominalcost,a good number of instrument plans for everything from renaissance lutestoarch-top jazz guitars. I spent a few years in Bavaria recently and made many contacts withEuropeanGAL members as well as those belonging to the "Handwerks Kammern" andI cameaway with the strong conviction that the GAL was doing it right infocusingon information sharing and promoting a looser association more in linewithour freewheeling American way of doing things. In the past, it was more necessary to have a reliable means for the laymanto discriminate between bona fide masters of the craft who were able tosupervisethe training of apprentices and oversee the creation of goods toanacceptable standard. With today's fantastic means of communication,thesethings have become far easier to discern without having the informationfiltered through a panel of "experts" whose personal prejudices andparochial slant have too great an impact on the way craftsmen arecategorized and preferred one over the another. If enough people would be interested in forming a more informalorganization- more along GAL lines- I would be happy to participate to thefullest possible extent; those who would start a more traditional typeguildmay do so with my full blessing and best wishes, but not my activeparticipation. Apart from strong reservations about standard-setting, Imuch prefer to maintain my amateur standing. Davy Riggs from chris@artistree.com Fri Aug 7 17:42:20 1998 PAA23039 Subject: Factors Contributing to Tip Sets Does anyone out there think that one particular type of glue used ingluing up sections might be more resistant to "Fishing Sets" in the tipsection? For instance, Urac vs. Resorcinol vs. Epoxy? And while on thesubject how about the type of finish used?--Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com p.s. -John Zimmy, if you are on the list, I'd sure appreciate any inputyou might have. from dpeaston@wzrd.com Fri Aug 7 18:12:16 1998 mail.wzrd.com(8.9.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26133 for ;Fri, 7 Aug Subject: Re: Distribution Help :-( -------Snip---------------snip-------------------------------------->Things have changed for sure. My first encounter was with an LGP 21 withamagnificent 4K of memory. Had to program in machine language and onlycost$28,000.We ran a 125 person engineering firm with it for four years though. George B. Yes, things have changed. My first computer was a Timex-Sinclair 1000ZX- 80. I programmed it in basic from a bubble keyboard. All I have to sayis that I can't belive the power of Windows GUI, Netscape. the clipboard .. . . ., not that we don't have to pay for them in some ways. Does anybodyhave a Commodore 64? I love old rods but not old computers. -Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from flyfisher@cmix.com Fri Aug 7 18:51:30 1998 Subject: Mark Edmonds? All, Any of you have contact with or know Mark Edmonds? Len Codella hasseveral of Mark's rods listed in the latest list and I'd like to know alittle bit about Mark and/or and his work. (several PHY para taper rodsare listed) Thx, Don Burns from dickay@alltel.net Fri Aug 7 19:34:14 1998 TAA10926 Subject: Re: Distribution Help :-( Doug, I've had both the Timex Sinclair 1000 and the Commodore 64. I believethatI still have a KIM-1 6502 breadboard computer around here somewhere. Itprogrammed in Hexadecimal machine language. It had six eight segmentLCD's & White TV for a video display in the bookcase. Never did make thedisplay. I think I gave the Timex Sinclair, the Commodore 64 and drives tothe local Junior College's Electronics Department. They were happy to getthem for training in trouble shooting. One of the instructors at the Junior College was one of the originialpeople involved with the Imsai 8080 computors that programmed withtoggleswitches on the front panel. Dick Fuhrman from irish-george@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 7 20:16:08 1998 (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Subject: Re: RE:Distribution Help :-( I think if we're reminiscing about the "good old days", I've got you beat!The first 1MB of RAM I ever bought (my own business so it was out of myownpocket) cost me $6,000! I also added on two 300MB hard drives (each thesize of a dishwasher) for $30,000! The "basic system" was $140,000withoutthese extras...oh, and the really good part: it wasn't too much slower thanthe original IBM PC! (It, too, used 8" floppies -- Shugart 800's). Myyoungest daughter had a more powerful computer when she was two (shetold meshe "needed" a computer and I had just upgraded!). Regards,George Bourke BTW--If you need assistance, I have access to a CD-R drive (since"upgrading" to Windoze 98 its driver must be loaded each time after boot,when you reboot it is gone again...if any gurus know where to look on thisone, suggestions are appreciated).-----Original Message----- Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( I think Darryl H. has a R/W CD - he should be able to help. I just installed W98 on my notebook. But 1st I needed to delete some"unneeded" files to make the install program happy about my HD space - 1/2 through the install it aborted due to lack of space. So needed fileswent into the trash bin. W98 is more than 200 meg's in size just by itself. I remember when my old Z80 CP/M 2.2 machine (64K ram) only had twin8"floppys with a total of ~1.2 meg's of disk space each and could holdmany programs per disk. Progress! Don B. from irish-george@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 7 20:39:16 1998 (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Subject: Re: Factors Contributing to Tip Sets Imagine that you had glued the strips together with Pliobond...any gluethatallows the joint to "slip" without breaking either the glue joint or thebamboo would make it more susceptible to taking on a set. However, ifyouused a glue with high shear strength (i.e., epoxy), I would imagine thatgiven enough shear force you'd shear the bamboo fibers (splinter the rod)instead. If the glue had a low shear strength (cyanoacrolate) the gluewould shear (the rod would de-laminate). George Bourke-----Original Message----- Subject: Factors Contributing to Tip Sets Does anyone out there think that one particular type of glue used ingluing up sections might be more resistant to "Fishing Sets" in the tipsection? For instance, Urac vs. Resorcinol vs. Epoxy? And while on thesubject how about the type of finish used?--Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com p.s. -John Zimmy, if you are on the list, I'd sure appreciate any inputyou might have. from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 7 20:44:52 1998 Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:44:30 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, irish-george wrote: I think if we're reminiscing about the "good old days", I've got you beat!The first 1MB of RAM I ever bought (my own business so it was out of myownpocket) cost me $6,000! I also added on two 300MB hard drives (each thesize of a dishwasher) for $30,000! The "basic system" was $140,000withoutthese extras...oh, and the really good part: it wasn't too much slower thanthe original IBM PC! (It, too, used 8" floppies -- Shugart 800's). Myyoungest daughter had a more powerful computer when she was two (shetold meshe "needed" a computer and I had just upgraded!). Regards,George Bourke That one certainly sounds like something Noah used to navigate his arc by. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from bruno@linkline.com Fri Aug 7 20:52:15 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A03E1BE901D4; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:56:14 PDT Subject: Distribution Help :-) WayneCatt@aol.com wrote: - so to distribute it I have condensed it to a Zip file and will try tohave it at my website - any kind advice from those that have done thesethingswould be greatly appreciated. snip Dear Wayne,First question is, how big is the compressed file?You have a lot of options depending on the size of the file, the type oftransferand where you ultimately end up posting it. Did I read that you have a webpage?If so, how much space...? Not enough? Then it is possible and very easy(with alittle tutoring) to set up a private ftp server from you machine...Peoplecan linkdirectly to your PC via internet. It really is easier than most know...You could easily control who loggs on to you machine via password, etc.I could set something up on my machine on a limited basis also. Ihave ftp capabilities, and members who have ftp compatiblebrowsers(Netscape,etc) or an ftp prog like Cute FTP could loggon and download direct. Additionally,if you have Netscape Navigator or Communicator running within your AOL"shell"account you can easily "upload" your file, no matter how large, to anothercomputer (like mine or anybody else's provided they have an ftp serverloaded thatwill receive the prog and they are willing to share their HD space).Also, an alternative to a CD RW is a Zip drive (cheaper) or other likeperipheral. I think that anybody who is serious about computing these days realizesthatthe good ol' 3.5 floppy is soon going the way of the old 5 inch format forthesame reasons you are now facing. Portable, removable mass storagemakes largefile transfer easy via hand-carry or even US mail. Also, file transfer viatheweb is easy and do-able once you know just a few basic steps, similar towhat youalready know if you surf the web, possibly using the software you mayalready haveon your machine.Let me know if I can help.BillP.S.To all the Z80 heads out there, those were the good ol' days. But if not forthecurrent revolution, we would have to buy the next print of Wayne's Bookto getthe latest Hexrod version. (I still have the first version of Wayne's prog.on alittle blue floppy!) Good Cheer!!! from irish-george@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 7 21:12:38 1998 (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Subject: Re: RE:Distribution Help :-( I don't think he even wanted to anchor his ark with it! George Bourke-----Original Message----- Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, irish-george wrote: I think if we're reminiscing about the "good old days", I've got youbeat!The first 1MB of RAM I ever bought (my own business so it was out ofmyownpocket) cost me $6,000! I also added on two 300MB hard drives (eachthesize of a dishwasher) for $30,000! The "basic system" was $140,000withoutthese extras...oh, and the really good part: it wasn't too much slowerthanthe original IBM PC! (It, too, used 8" floppies -- Shugart 800's). Myyoungest daughter had a more powerful computer when she was two(she toldmeshe "needed" a computer and I had just upgraded!). Regards,George Bourke That one certainly sounds like something Noah used to navigate his arcby. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from KDLoup@aol.com Fri Aug 7 21:46:16 1998 Subject: lost email address John Cole - I've lost your email address. Please contact me.Kurt LoupKDLoup@aol.com from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Sat Aug 8 07:03:47 1998 Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:03:38 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Distribution Help :-) Dear Wayne,First question is, how big is the compressed file?You have a lot of options depending on the size of the file, the type oftransfer /******snip, snip***********/ Also, an alternative to a CD RW is a Zip drive (cheaper) or other like peripheral.The zip drive sound like the best alternative. They work great and 100mb before compression gives enough space to work with. The only hasle is a lot don't have a zip but most have or will have access to a CD. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from jcole10@juno.com Sat Aug 8 07:28:39 1998 08:28:07 EDT Subject: Re: lost email address Kurt My email address jcole10@juno.com On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:45:35 EDT KDLoup@aol.com writes:John Cole - I've lost your email address. Please contact me.Kurt LoupKDLoup@aol.com from dpeaston@wzrd.com Sat Aug 8 10:29:15 1998 mail.wzrd.com(8.9.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05960 for ;Sat, 8 Aug Subject: Re: Distribution Help :-) At 08:03 PM 8/8/98 +0800, you wrote:Dear Wayne,First question is, how big is the compressed file?You have a lot of options depending on the size of the file, the type oftransfer /******snip, snip***********/ Also, an alternative to a CD RW is a Zip drive (cheaper) or other like peripheral.The zip drive sound like the best alternative. They work great and 100mb before compression gives enough space to work with. The only hasle is a lot don't have a zip but most have or will have access to a CD. Tony----------------snip----------------------------snip---------------->Wayne, Two possible solutions to the distribution problem: 1. Take out a "Tripod" or "GeoCities" free web site. Use it as a downloadsite.2. Someone on this list must have acess to an anonomys FTP site. Youcould putyour file on it and link it to your AOL page. JMHO, Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 8 11:48:13 1998 11:47:40 ix14.ix.netcom.comvia smap (V1.3) Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( My first programming course was "Illiad"; done on an IBM 650. Anyoneremember what these were? Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com from ragnarig@integrityol.com Sat Aug 8 11:57:03 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A53E5080104; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 10:05:02 PDT Subject: Re: RE:Distribution Help :-( -----Original Message----- Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( My first programming course was "Illiad"; done on an IBM 650. Anyoneremember what these were? Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com Didn't Mike McGuffy win the Isle of Man TT on one of these in '69? from irish-george@worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 8 18:07:51 1998 (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Subject: Re: RE:Distribution Help :-( Wasn't that one of the old IBM ternary computers (before they wentbinary)??? ;^) George Bourke -----Original Message----- Subject: RE:Distribution Help :-( My first programming course was "Illiad"; done on an IBM 650. Anyoneremember what these were? Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com from Nodewrrior@aol.com Sat Aug 8 22:10:29 1998 Subject: Re: reelseat mandrel Harry, I got the skinny on the Pentools mandrel, it seems they're tool busymakingpen mandrels to do such a low volume of something else along the lines ofthereelseat mandrel. It didn't sound like I could talk Steve Wilks into it. ThePh for pentools is (888)736-8665. I found it on another website. He saystheyget about one call a month for the mandrel. Why this can't translate intomaking say, 20 per year I don't understand, but maybe it takesconsiderabletooling up to make a run of anything. If you do call, tell him that you'recalling cold so it doesn't seem like we're harassing the guy.I have a pen mandrel that I might be able to modify along the lines of thepicture on the rodmakers site.Too bad eh?- must be a graphite guy...Take care, Rob Hoffhines from mwoodruf@globalnet.co.uk Sun Aug 9 04:42:51 1998 Subject: Art & PC's boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01BDC382.7B33D080" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BDC382.7B33D080 Hi Art,Thanks for all you mails, like you say the second one did have me a ==3Dbit confussed. Since I set up my page last week I have had to buy a new ==3DP.C because my old one had a major failure and has bust the ide card =3Dcompletely and wiped half of my hard disks. Computers who would havethe ==3Deh. Regards Mick ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BDC382.7B33D080 Thanks = mails, like you say the second one did have me a =3Dbit confussed. = up my page last week I have had to buy a new =3DP.C because my old = major failure and has bust the ide card =3Dcompletely and wiped half= hard disks. Computers who would have the =3Deh. Regards Mick ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BDC382.7B33D080-- from gc.williams@MCIONE.com Sun Aug 9 09:41:07 1998 with ESMTP id forrodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:40:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Craftsman 9 1/2 Several years ago when I first started building rods, I acquired aCraftsman 9 1/2 block plane from a friend. I replaced the factory bladewith a Hock blade. Having nothing to compare it with I soon decided Ineeded a Record 9 1/2 block plane also. The Craftsman is now the plane Ireach for 9.9 times out of 10. It has a different feel or heft than theRecord. I suspect that production of this plane was discontinued long ago but Iwould like to know more about it if anyone else has used one or has anyinformation about them. They were made in the USA, maybe even byStanley,metallic green and almost identical in size and shape to the current dayStanley's and Record's. This plane has become my most prized tool, evenmore prized than my Lie-Neilson Scraper! and most of you are familiarwiththe quality of the L- N tools. Thanks. from tlongair@telusplanet.net Sun Aug 9 10:25:34 1998 clgrps05.agt.net" ESMTP id; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:25:15 -0600 withESMTP id ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:24:52 -0600 Subject: varnishes I just finished the article by John Zimmy in the latest Planingform "On Varnish". Great job, thanks John. I just finished my rod andbecause I don't have a dip tube set up I finished it in tung oil toprevent moisture re entry. I thought I would varnish later. Thearticles I have read suggested a tung compatible varnish if you choosethis technique. Are mostvarnishes tung compatible? Any experience with brands? How about onestodefinitely stay away from?Thanks. Terry Longair from mcreek@sirus.com Sun Aug 9 12:59:15 1998 Subject: Re: RODMAKERS digest 1063 boundary="------------9E20F354DA19826D0C6DA2EC" --------------9E20F354DA19826D0C6DA2EC My first programming course was "Illiad"; done on an IBM 650. Anyoneremember what these were? Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com Onis -At IU in the '70s we had a CDC 6600 that took up a big chunk of thebasement of the PE building. Did Fortran and KOBOL on IBM cards, hadremote terminals in the dorms you had to dial in by telephone and thenquickly stick the hand set in a rubber-cupped cradle.You just haven't lived until you trip and spread your semester projecton punch cards across a wet parking lot at 3:00 AM the day it's due. Brian --------------9E20F354DA19826D0C6DA2EC Anyoneremember what these were? Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com Onis - KOBOLon IBM cards, had remote terminals in the dorms you had to dial in bytelephoneand then quickly stick the hand set in a rubber-cupped cradle.You just haven't lived until you trip and spread your semester projecton punch cards across a wet parking lot at 3:00 AM the day it's due. Brian --------------9E20F354DA19826D0C6DA2EC-- from fiveside@net-gate.com Sun Aug 9 18:13:06 1998 ns1.net-gate.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07825 for Subject: Hinges and Rollcasts To the List.Many respected makers mostly in the West it seems, place high esteemonrollcasting capability and the related taper hinge. Here in the East wedon't hear much about roll casts (except the spey-cast rod). Is thatbecausethe roll cast is more a part of western fishing technique or perhapsbecausea roll cast is a way of measuring rod performance, or maybe to establishcorrect line size? Would really like to know. Bill from gwr@seanet.com Sun Aug 9 19:25:56 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21940 for; Sun, Subject: Christian's Rod & Ralph's Event Hi Guy's, I just returned from the FFF conclave and got myself re-attached to thelist. First and foremost, I want to compliment Christian's first rod. Forany who need a memory jogger, Christian is the young fellow (my age)studying in Japan who recently completed his first rod. Between himself&his Sensei (sp?), every component of the rod was handcrafted - ferrules,reel seat, &c. All very nicely done. What amazed me most about theaesthetics was that Christian had no prior experience building rods. I onlywish my first graphite rod was as finely wrapped and finished.The action was great too - very gentle. We spent a short while castingmy first cane rod (a Dickerson 7613) and his. Complete opposites as theDickerson taper is quite fast for a cane rod, but both tapers were veryappealing in their own rights. I also want to say thanks to Ralph Moon for putting on one heck of niceshow at the conclave. It is my sincere hope that cane rods & all thatattend them (art, function, materials, techniques, & good company) willeventually rival Atlantic Salmon fly tying as the conclave's main draw. Best regards, Russ GoodingGolden Witch Rodsgwr@seanet.com from chris@artistree.com Sun Aug 9 21:22:06 1998 TAA28877 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Bill,I grew up fishing upstate NY and have now resided out west for more thana fewyears now. I hadn't really thought about east vs. west in regard to rollcasting but now that you got me thinking two things come to mind. 1) I feel that a lot of the western streams are a fair bit more dangerousthanones I fished back east. The water tends to flow more swiftly and thebottomsare rock or bolder strewn. Therefore I always think twice before wadinginto astream out here. If I feel it might be too dangerous (and this happens alot,especially this year with El nino) I end up fishing from the bank which isthick with brush. Roll casting then becomes the name of the game. Also,sometimes the water is just moving so fast that it's just easier and moreefficient to pick up the fly with a roll cast. (either that or I'm gettinglazy) 2) Another factor is the wind. Seems like no matter where I am out westif it'sthe middle of the afternoon a strong wind will pick up. Also sunrise &sunsetcan, but not always, kick up a strong wind, especially if your working astreamin a valley or a large flat area. Roll casting into a strong head wind is aloteasier then pulling flies out of my ears. Guess this means I vote for "fishing technique."Best Regards from the wild, wild west. Chris Wohlford Bill Fink wrote: To the List.Many respected makers mostly in the West it seems, place high esteemonrollcasting capability and the related taper hinge. Here in the East wedon't hear much about roll casts (except the spey-cast rod). Is thatbecausethe roll cast is more a part of western fishing technique or perhapsbecausea roll cast is a way of measuring rod performance, or maybe to establishcorrect line size? Would really like to know. Bill from KDLoup@aol.com Sun Aug 9 21:58:46 1998 Subject: Re: varnishes Terry,I have good results with Behr Tung Oil and Minwax Helmsman SparUrethane.Both were purchased at Home Depot. The tung oil is used as a sealer aftersanding the glue. It seems to prevent the pen I use for inscriptions frombleeding. In addition, it helps to highlight any glue left on the cane. Idoubt that the tung oil has any other benefit since I varnish over it. Kurt Loup from ragnarig@integrityol.com Sun Aug 9 23:20:37 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6EECBC0068; Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:28:30 PDT Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Dear Bill With the exception of the high desert spring creeks, much of the streamfishing which comes my way seems to be on gracial rivers or thicklywoodedstream-banks which don't usually give much opportunity for a backcast. IfIgo off exploring without a good roll-casting rod, I may not have manyopportunities to wet a line. Further, the same qualities which enable roll casting allow a wide rangeoftechniques which are adaptable to the kinds of setting listed above. Plusit just looks cool. Davy To the List.Many respected makers mostly in the West it seems, place high esteemonrollcasting capability and the related taper hinge. Here in the East wedon't hear much about roll casts (except the spey-cast rod). Is thatbecausethe roll cast is more a part of western fishing technique or perhapsbecausea roll cast is a way of measuring rod performance, or maybe to establishcorrect line size? Would really like to know. Bill from ragnarig@integrityol.com Sun Aug 9 23:55:12 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF0ADD80104; Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:03:06 PDT Subject: Re: varnishes Dear Terry Epifanes (sold at marine stores) is tung based and is as good a varnish asthere is. Davy -----Original Message----- Subject: varnishes I just finished the article by John Zimmy in the latest Planingform "On Varnish". Great job, thanks John. I just finished my rod andbecause I don't have a dip tube set up I finished it in tung oil toprevent moisture re entry. I thought I would varnish later. Thearticles I have read suggested a tung compatible varnish if you choosethis technique. Are mostvarnishes tung compatible? Any experience with brands? How about onestodefinitely stay away from?Thanks. Terry Longair from RMargiotta@aol.com Mon Aug 10 06:07:31 1998 Subject: Coated snakes guides Any experience out there with the coatings coming off the followingsnakes? 1. Dale Clemens' black chrome 2. Pac Bay black chrome3. Perfection black (chrome?)4. Hopkins & Holloway English-twist blued5. Hopkins & Holloway DLC --Rich from tom@cet-inc.com Mon Aug 10 07:22:10 1998 0000 Subject: Re: Craftsman 9 1/2 When I first started building rods, I used a borrowed Craftsman 9 1/2. Iliked it better than the new Stanley (English) model. I later got an earlyStanley #9 1/2 (circa 1930) that is much lighter and "feels" better thananyother plane I've tried. I use an old Stanley #18 block plane (same angle as9 1/2 and has adjustable throat) or new 9 1/2 until I get close to theplanning form and the early Stanley 9 1/2 to finish. Tom -----Original Message----- Subject: Craftsman 9 1/2 would like to know more about it if anyone else has used one or has anyinformation about them. They were made in the USA, maybe even byStanley,metallic green and almost identical in size and shape to the current dayStanley's and Record's. from sjstill@iquest.net Mon Aug 10 09:26:54 1998 0000Received: from iq-ind-as001-169.iquest.net (HELO sjstill.indy.net)(209.43.48.169) Subject: NEW ISP! Hi All, below. sjstill@iquest.net Hope this one works better SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@iquest.net from Marty.Ball@noaa.gov Mon Aug 10 11:30:44 1998 RFC822Gateway); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:29:37 -0400Content-Identifier: 046C235CF1FEC026Content-Return: Allowed Subject: Re: varnishes On the subject of The Planing Form how often does it come out? Isubscribed with Ron at Greyrock '97 but only recieved 4 copies and no renewal notice. HaveI dropped through the cracks or is it a sporadic publication? Marty Ball marty.ball@noaa.gov ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: varnishesAuthor: tlongair@telusplanet.net at EXTERNAL I just finished the article by John Zimmy in the latest Planingform "On Varnish". Great job, thanks John. I just finished my rod and because I don't have a dip tube set up I finished it in tung oil to prevent moisture re entry. I thought I would varnish later. The articles I have read suggested a tung compatible varnish if you choose this technique. Are mostvarnishes tung compatible? Any experience with brands? How about onesto definitely stay away from?Thanks. Terry Longair from TSmithwick@aol.com Mon Aug 10 12:33:13 1998 Subject: Re: Re: varnishes In a message dated 8/10/98 4:35:18 PM, you wrote: Marty - You won't get a separate renewal notice. There will be a noticepublished in one of the issues at the end of the year, and it's up to you tofind it and send it in. I suggest you contact Ron and re- subscribe. from chris@artistree.com Mon Aug 10 14:08:09 1998 MAA18590 Subject: Re: Coated snakes guides I've seen the coating come off the Bac Bay black chrome. RMargiotta@aol.com wrote: Any experience out there with the coatings coming off the followingsnakes? 1. Dale Clemens' black chrome2. Pac Bay black chrome3. Perfection black (chrome?)4. Hopkins & Holloway English-twist blued5. Hopkins & Holloway DLC --Rich --Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from sjstill@iquest.net Mon Aug 10 16:41:29 1998 0000 (209.43.49.109) Subject: Little outta big Hi All, Well, the sum total of my rodmaking experience so far is to make 6smallerstrips outta one round culm That took about 1.5 hours though!Interesting stuff. Did get to cast a few rods and decided on a Garrison209 Illinois smallies! Onward... SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@iquest.net from Nodewrrior@aol.com Mon Aug 10 19:16:29 1998 Subject: Re:IL smallies Steve,Where? Frustratedly, Rob Hoffhines from JASalvi@aol.com Mon Aug 10 19:16:37 1998 Subject: Learning about bamboo rods Rodmakers: I have just been given several old bamboo rods discovered in my father in- law's attic. I am looking for suggestions on how to start my research onthese rods so I can understand their history and potentially restore someofthem if feasible. They are in fair shape but have been in the attic for, Iwould guess, over 40 years. My father-in-law was not a fisherman, buthisfather may have been. These could possibly have even belonged to myfather-in-law's own grandfather. I am a fly fisherman myself and had no idea these existed. He had nevermentioned them. If you have any suggestions, I would be mostappreciative. Thank you Jim Salvijasalvi@aol.com from anglport@con2.com Mon Aug 10 19:39:42 1998 Subject: Re: Learning about bamboo rods Jim,You can start off searching some of these sites (I hope the rods have atleast SOME markings on them or you're going to te on some expedition). http://205.245.169.201/FFN/CurrentsEddies9RodCol.html#anchor1671213 http://www.classic-cane.com/ http://absolute-sway.com/rfa/Feb98/ http://www.gorp.com/bamboo.htm http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/canecoun/value.htm and http://flyfish.com/index.html Some of these may be MORE than you want but they're the ones I havestoredin that section of my Bookmarks.Happy hunting,Art At 08:01 PM 8/10/98 EDT, you wrote:Rodmakers: I have just been given several old bamboo rods discovered in my fatherin- law's attic. I am looking for suggestions on how to start my research onthese rods so I can understand their history and potentially restore someofthem if feasible. They are in fair shape but have been in the attic for, Iwould guess, over 40 years. My father-in-law was not a fisherman, buthisfather may have been. These could possibly have even belonged to myfather-in-law's own grandfather. I am a fly fisherman myself and had no idea these existed. He had nevermentioned them. If you have any suggestions, I would be mostappreciative. Thank you Jim Salvijasalvi@aol.com from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Mon Aug 10 19:40:54 1998 0500 Subject: Re: Learning about bamboo rods JASalvi@aol.com wrote: Rodmakers: I have just been given several old bamboo rods discovered in my fatherin- law's attic. >snipped from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Mon Aug 10 19:44:41 1998 Subject: Re: Learning about bamboo rods Hi Jim, You might want to send them off to Len Codella. He charges $30 for thefirst item, $5 for the second. Not only will you get an appraisal but hewill tell you what they are. The fee includes return postage and you geta written appraisal (good for insurance purposes). And if he offers tobuy the stuff and you accept, the fee is waived. If you spend more then ahalf hour researching these rods and your time is valuable, then it seemsto me that Len's fee is a bargain. Regards, Bob Bob Perry \|/Fly Supplies: ::==,#=#*oFlytying materials (_ /|\Flyfishing equipmentRodbuilding components Email catalog on request On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 JASalvi@aol.com wrote: Rodmakers: I have just been given several old bamboo rods discovered in my fatherin- law's attic. I am looking for suggestions on how to start my research onthese rods so I can understand their history and potentially restore someofthem if feasible. They are in fair shape but have been in the attic for, Iwould guess, over 40 years. My father-in-law was not a fisherman, buthisfather may have been. These could possibly have even belonged to myfather-in-law's own grandfather. I am a fly fisherman myself and had no idea these existed. He had nevermentioned them. If you have any suggestions, I would be mostappreciative. Thank you Jim Salvijasalvi@aol.com from anglport@con2.com Mon Aug 10 19:45:57 1998 Subject: Re: Learning about bamboo rods Jim,There are also several good books out there but you're looking at premiumprices for out-of-print titles in the $40 to $100 range. They're not likelyto be found in your local library! If you want to find info badly enough togo that route, get back to me and I'll give you the titles (some of theother guys will probably beat me to that one!) Oh, by the way, if you canread the labels, you can probably contact the Museum of Flyfishing inManchester VT, too.Art At 08:01 PM 8/10/98 EDT, you wrote:Rodmakers: I have just been given several old bamboo rods discovered in my fatherin- law's attic. I am looking for suggestions on how to start my research onthese rods so I can understand their history and potentially restore someofthem if feasible. They are in fair shape but have been in the attic for, Iwould guess, over 40 years. My father-in-law was not a fisherman, buthisfather may have been. These could possibly have even belonged to myfather-in-law's own grandfather. I am a fly fisherman myself and had no idea these existed. He had nevermentioned them. If you have any suggestions, I would be mostappreciative. Thank you Jim Salvijasalvi@aol.com from LECLAIR123@aol.com Mon Aug 10 20:51:48 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Chris,I know what you meen about the rivers being dangerous out west compared to here in NY. I have fished the Deshutes River and McKensy Rivers in Oregon and they are alittle scary.I too did alot of rollcasting.I found it alot easier than making a regular cast in that wind. And THESNAKES!!!!! We don't see many critters back here like you do out there. It is nice to see heards of Mule Deer running wild while yourfishing. Dave LeClair from thorstad@primenet.com Mon Aug 10 21:13:17 1998 be "lizard"via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd016044; Mon Aug 10 19:13:121998 Subject: New kid on the ListServer boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_0000005F.01BDC492" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_0000005F.01BDC492 While I was thrashing around the internet about a week ago (looking for =some place to get Cattanach's book - and software), I came across the =FFF web site. from there I e-mailed Ralph Moon about the book, and he = Background: Some year-and-a-half or two years ago I read an article in =Flyrod and Reel about bamboo fly rods. It mentioned Garrison's book. I =found it in the library, read it, and thought it was the perfect blend =of art and engineering (yes I'm an engineer). That thought has been simmering on the back burner since then - until I =sold a Harley (AMF) and got the seed money for gettin' in the rod making =game. Right now I own Garrison's book, Jack Howell's new book, and =intend on getting Cattanach's book. I'm building a work area in the =garage, having my brother make some rough planing forms (he's a cabinet =maker), and gettin' an old curmudgeon friend to machine up final planing =forms. All the rest of the stuff is still in the planning stage, or = So here I am, and there I go! Any rodmakers in the Phoenix area? Any crappy culms out there I can =practice on (a suggestion in Howell's book)? Tim ------=_NextPart_000_0000_0000005F.01BDC492 I thought I'd introduce myself - Tim = While I was thrashing around the = week ago (looking for some place to get Cattanach's book - and = Background: Some year-and-a-half ortwo = the perfect blend of art and engineering (yes I'm an =engineer). That thought has been simmering onthe = since then - until I sold a Harley (AMF) and got the seed money for = the garage, having my brother make some rough planing forms (he's a = maker), and gettin' an old curmudgeon friend to machine up final planing = at the flea market. So here I am, and there I =go! Any rodmakers in the Phoenix = culms out there I can practice on (a suggestion in Howell's =book)? Tim ------=_NextPart_000_0000_0000005F.01BDC492-- from chris@artistree.com Mon Aug 10 21:38:56 1998 TAA12447 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Dave, First time I ever fished the Owens in the evening I had coyote'shallowing in front of me out in the darkness, was a little disconcertingwhen another group started answering them from behind me.--Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: "It is nice to see heards of Mule Deer running wild while your fishing" Dave LeClair from chris@artistree.com Mon Aug 10 22:32:35 1998 UAA08696 Subject: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email me offlist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Mon Aug 10 22:40:44 1998 Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:40:35 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Rivers in Oregon and they are alittle scary.I too did alot of rollcasting.I found it alot easier than making a regular cast in that wind. And THESNAKES!!!!! We don't see many critters back here like you do out there. It is nice to see heards of Mule Deer running wild while yourfishing. Dave LeClair Roll casting in most parts of Australia is pretty important as the streams can be realy overgrown in places, steeple casting is good too if you can manage it. Don't know if anything helps with the snakes though, especially if you fish around Christmas just in time for the great Brown Snake "hatch". The usual thing here is the wear very heavy waders, walk carefuly and carry a bloody big stick! The buggers will chase you if you wind them up. The other animal life here is interesting too, especially the Tasmanian Devils (yes they realy do exist but only in Tasmania). They only come out at night and make the most blood curdling revolving head spinning noises you've ever heard.A few of us fished with a Canadian a couple of years back and after a couple of days he got sort of used to the snakes when I found a road killed wombat. We skined it and nailed it under his window without him knowing and waited. 10pm came as did the Tassie Devils. His bed wasright under the window and he thought all that ouji boarding he did as a kid was a fatal mistake and every dark and evil spirit under the earth was coming to take him away *now*. Took him days to talk to me again and he never did stop looking at me sideways. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from irvine@bamboorods.org Mon Aug 10 22:59:44 1998 aa012948 for; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:02:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Tony, As an old Alaskan, shame on you, wasn't it fun. Tight lines, Chuck Tony Young wrote: Rivers in Oregon and they are alittle scary.I too did alot of rollcasting.I found it alot easier than making a regular cast in that wind. And THESNAKES!!!!! We don't see many critters back here like you do out there. It is nice to see heards of Mule Deer running wild while yourfishing. Dave LeClair Roll casting in most parts of Australia is pretty important as thestreams can be realy overgrown in places, steeple casting is good too ifyou can manage it. Don't know if anything helps with the snakes though,especially if you fish around Christmas just in time for the great BrownSnake "hatch". The usual thing here is the wear very heavy waders, walkcarefuly and carry a bloody big stick! The buggers will chase you if youwind them up. The other animal life here is interesting too, especiallythe Tasmanian Devils (yes they realy do exist but only in Tasmania). Theyonly come out at night and make the most blood curdling revolving headspinning noises you've ever heard.A few of us fished with a Canadian a couple of years back and after acouple of days he got sort of used to the snakes when I found a roadkilled wombat. We skined it and nailed it under his window without himknowing and waited. 10pm came as did the Tassie Devils. His bed wasrightunder the window and he thought all that ouji boarding he did as a kidwas a fatal mistake and every dark and evil spirit under the earth wascoming to take him away *now*. Took him days to talk to me again andhenever did stop looking at me sideways. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from ghinde@inconnect.com Mon Aug 10 23:01:17 1998 0000 Subject: Re: Coated snakes guides Rich;The coating on Perfection black chrome guides does not last verylong. The inside of the guides and tip tops is where the coating is lost. I havethese guides and tip top on a cane rod wich has had mabey 20 days offishing. The inside of the guides are now the color of stainless steel,and the tip top is showing groves from line wear. I would guess that thesame thing would happen with the other black chrome guides youmentioned. The H&H DLC guides are supposed to last a lot longer. They sure look nice,but as someone said earlier, H&H likes to grind the hell out of their guidefeet! Just my $00.02 George Greys River Rod Co. ----------From: RMargiotta@aol.com Subject: Coated snakes guidesDate: Monday, August 10, 1998 5:06 AM Any experience out there with the coatings coming off the followingsnakes? 1. Dale Clemens' black chrome 2. Pac Bay black chrome3. Perfection black (chrome?)4. Hopkins & Holloway English-twist blued5. Hopkins & Holloway DLC --Rich from channer@hubwest.com Mon Aug 10 23:12:09 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A4CB11C401FE; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:12:59 MDT Subject: Re:IL smallies At 07:38 PM 8/10/98 EDT, you wrote:Steve,Where? Frustratedly, Rob Hoffhines Rob;Steve is probably more up on it than I am, but when I lived in Illinois 4years ago I used to have good luck on the Kishwaukee at Black Hawk forestpreserve outside of Rockford and on the Fox River in the Geneva andBataviaareas. Riverside Sports is in Geneva(or maybe its Batavia,I forget) righton the river and it is a good flyshop. I hear the Kankakee is good, too,but I never got around to going down there. Moraine Hills State Park inMcHenry has a nice lake, they only have 10 boats tho and it is the only wayto fish it, so you have to get there early. They have big sunfish,crappies, bass, northern, gar and 2 huge flatheads, I caught one of themonce, about 50 lbs.(on a worm, pre-flyfishing days) from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Mon Aug 10 23:30:36 1998 Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:30:02 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, charles irvine wrote: Tony, As an old Alaskan, shame on you, wasn't it fun. Tight lines, Chuck yep. /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from ragnarig@integrityol.com Mon Aug 10 23:37:14 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC3B2470188; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:44:43 PDT Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Dear Tony You're a bad man. Davy Roll casting in most parts of Australia is pretty important as the streams can be realy overgrown in places, steeple casting is good too if you can manage it. Don't know if anything helps with the snakes though, especially if you fish around Christmas just in time for the great Brown Snake "hatch". The usual thing here is the wear very heavy waders, walk carefuly and carry a bloody big stick! The buggers will chase you if you wind them up. The other animal life here is interesting too, especially the Tasmanian Devils (yes they realy do exist but only in Tasmania). They only come out at night and make the most blood curdling revolving head spinning noises you've ever heard.A few of us fished with a Canadian a couple of years back and after a couple of days he got sort of used to the snakes when I found a road killed wombat. We skined it and nailed it under his window without him knowing and waited. 10pm came as did the Tassie Devils. His bed wasright under the window and he thought all that ouji boarding he did as a kid was a fatal mistake and every dark and evil spirit under the earth was coming to take him away *now*. Took him days to talk to me again and he never did stop looking at me sideways. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Tue Aug 11 00:24:08 1998 process doing-bs Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Tony Young wrote: Roll casting in most parts of Australia is pretty important as the streams can be realy overgrown in places, steeple casting is good too if SNIP... Hi Tony, Roll casting & steeple casting also play a big part where I fish in theupstream reaches of a spring creek with a wall of brush at your back. Ialso find that roll casts will not put down fish when a regular cast willstop all sipping in the general vicinity . Pic here: http://www.uky.edu/~agrdanny/flyfish/perrypic.htm Regards, Bob Bob Perry \|/Fly Supplies: ::==,#=#*oFlytying materials (_ /|\Flyfishing equipmentRodbuilding components Email catalog on request from dickay@alltel.net Tue Aug 11 06:28:00 1998 GAA26673 Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Chris, Nice, very very nice. A great resource. Thanks from all of us. Dick Fuhrman ----------From: Chris Wohlford Subject: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod LibraryDate: Monday, August 10, 1998 11:39 PM Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email meofflist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from anglport@con2.com Tue Aug 11 07:08:40 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Tony,Could you better describe or define "revolving head spinning noises" for usguys on the other side of the ball from you? Try as I may, after I stoppedlaughing, I can't drum up anything in my mind to compare that to! Art (in TWO other hemispheres!) /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from anglport@con2.com Tue Aug 11 07:20:37 1998 Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Chris,I am dumbfounded! You must be as anal as any of us to have put in thatmuchtime and work on gleaning info on this arcane subject. A MILLION thanksforputting it out there for so many! Were you ever in the RAF? I think WinstonChurchill said something about "Never have so many owed so much to sofew..."Thanks again, (although I think I'm going to have to read and acquire a lotmore literature now)Art At 08:39 PM 8/10/98 -0800, you wrote:Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from hhholland@erols.com Tue Aug 11 07:29:57 1998 Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Chris...Just took a look at your "Ultimate" site. Great job! This will be avaluable resource. Thanks!!!!!Hank H. -----Original Message----- Subject: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email me offlist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from destinycon@mindspring.com Tue Aug 11 07:41:55 1998 Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Chris,I've tried to reach you a couple times at the address on your newsightand have not been able to. Is this me or you? But now that I have you here I would like to say JOB WELL DONE! Yougetan extra at-a-boy for this one. Thanks from all us book junkies. Regards,Gary H. At 08:39 PM 8/10/98 -0800, you wrote:Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email me offlist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from cpence@mwci.net Tue Aug 11 07:54:57 1998 199807:51:36 -0500 Subject: RE: IL smallies John,Contact "On the Fly" flyshop in Rockford. Dave and Jean will send you in the right direction. You might also want to get in touch with the Illinois Smallmouth Alliance: John Graham, President, 309-432-2356. What partof the state are you in? ---------- Subject: Re:IL smallies At 07:38 PM 8/10/98 EDT, you wrote:Steve,Where? Frustratedly, Rob Hoffhines Rob;Steve is probably more up on it than I am, but when I lived in Illinois 4years ago I used to have good luck on the Kishwaukee at Black Hawk forestpreserve outside of Rockford and on the Fox River in the Geneva andBataviaareas. Riverside Sports is in Geneva(or maybe its Batavia,I forget) righton the river and it is a good flyshop. I hear the Kankakee is good, too,but I never got around to going down there. Moraine Hills State Park inMcHenry has a nice lake, they only have 10 boats tho and it is the only wayto fish it, so you have to get there early. They have big sunfish,crappies, bass, northern, gar and 2 huge flatheads, I caught one of themonce, about 50 lbs.(on a worm, pre-flyfishing days) WINMAIL.DAT Name: WINMAIL.DATType: unspecified type (application/octet- stream)Encoding: x-uuencode from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Tue Aug 11 07:57:46 1998 (modemcable236.173.mmtl.videotron.net IAA20960 for Subject: RE: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Fabulous site. Beautiful layout too! Many thanks Richard -----Original Message----- Subject: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email me offlist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Tue Aug 11 08:03:13 1998 Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:02:57 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Art Port wrote: Tony,Could you better describe or define "revolving head spinning noises" forusguys on the other side of the ball from you? Try as I may, after I stoppedlaughing, I can't drum up anything in my mind to compare that to! Art (in TWO other hemispheres!) :-))Tasmanian Devils make noises I doubt I could ever get used to, sort of satanic hence the name. I had in mind Linda Blair's head spinning scene from The Exorcist, the sounds fit anyhow.The guys' screams sounded straight out of the shower scene from Phsyco.I have to admit the thought occured to me I *may* have gone too far. Tony from jjohnso4@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 11 08:10:30 1998 JAA05973 Subject: Re: Coated snakes guides At 09:57 PM 8/10/98 -0600, George wrote: The H&H DLC guides are supposed to last a lot longer. They sure looknice,but as someone said earlier, H&H likes to grind the hell out of their guidefeet! Just my $00.02 The one set of H&H DLC guides that I purchased came in with the finishchipped off in places on two of the guides. This was in early 97' - theymay be doing better now. Later,Johnny ----------------------------------------------Johnny JohnsonLilburn, GA from morten@flash.net Tue Aug 11 08:44:50 1998 Subject: Epoxy glue RodmakersI just finished a rod glued with West System Epoxy (105/206).Gluing, wetstraightening,and cured straightening went well, and I'm happy with theresults. I have cast the rod and everything seems fine. Does anyone have any experience using West System Epoxy for gluingbamboo rods. Best regards,Morten Lovstad from kgabd@uswest.net Tue Aug 11 09:12:45 1998 Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Richard Nantel wrote: Fabulous site. Beautiful layout too! Many thanks Richard -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 12:39 AM Subject: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email meofflist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.comAmen! Well done & Thanks. Kevin from sjstill@iquest.net Tue Aug 11 09:28:31 1998 0000 (209.43.54.130) Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Too Cool! (can't let my wife see this one ) SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@iquest.net from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Tue Aug 11 09:44:08 1998 0500 Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Chris, I'm having trouble finding "artistree.com"etc. I've seen others havefound it. Do you have any idea if the trouble is on my end?Harry Boyd Chris Wohlford wrote: Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email meofflist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from jcooper@interalpha.co.uk Tue Aug 11 10:20:41 1998 post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA31896 for; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:30:33 +0100 Version 1.5.4 (32) Subject: The Grantham Beveller KAA12596 The Grantham Beveller - The First Photographs The level of activity on the List seems to be very low (thank God). If Ipost these photographs as an attachment, it seems likely that a good manyinterested members will miss them because they've signed off whilst onholiday. So that they can be viewed at any time, I've added them to my website at http://www.interalpha.net/customer/cane-rods and will leave them there for a few months to give everyone a chance toseethem. I'll post another message about them when traffic picks up. The price is £3,500 UN-POWERED and £4,500 with POWERED CROSS-FEED. PLEASE - all enquiries to Barry Grantham himself - NOT TO ME. You should write to Barry directly as follows: Barry Grantham7 Brant Road,Lincoln,LN5 8RLEngland or you can fax him on: (International Code 44) (0)1522.535500 John Cooper (England) from eestlow@srminc.com Tue Aug 11 10:22:36 1998 8625665D.00550918 ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:28:48 -0500 Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library I notice that the e-mail link on the home page of the website ismisspelled. Could that be the problem? Other than that, what a magnificent website!! Let me echo the others withmy thanks! Best regards,-Ed Estlow Harry Boyd on 08/11/98 09:40:36 AM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Chris, I'm having trouble finding "artistree.com"etc. I've seen othershavefound it. Do you have any idea if the trouble is on my end?Harry Boyd Chris Wohlford wrote: Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email meofflist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from SalarFly@aol.com Tue Aug 11 10:52:29 1998 Subject: Re: Little outta big In a message dated 8/10/98 2:47:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,sjstill@iquest.net writes: Well, the sum total of my rodmaking experience so far is to make 6smallerstrips outta one round culm That took about 1.5 hours though!Interesting stuff. Did get to cast a few rods and decided on a Garrison209 Just remember to wear a glove when you start planing!BTW - I'm back...Had a great fishing trip, ran into a couple days of a phenomenal evening hatch, but I don't want to wastebandwidth on non rod making stuff. If interested, contactme directly, I have notes I jotted down for what else? - Apossible future article in BFR Mag. Darryl Hayashida from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Tue Aug 11 11:07:54 1998 0500 Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Chris/EdGot it to work this time. 'Tis a valuable resource indeed! Looks likeI've got more money to spend on books. Is there no end to the allocation ofscarce funds in this "hobby"?Sorry to trouble you earlier. Seems a server one one end or the othermust have been down for a little while. I'm learning every day that thesegadgets called computers are certainly not foolproof. By the way, in ref.tothe thread from a few days back, I have an old 8088 machine, 2 -5.25"floppiesand a whopping 30 meg HD(self-installed) available to anyone willing tohaulit off!ThanksHarry Ed Estlow wrote: I notice that the e-mail link on the home page of the website ismisspelled. Could that be the problem? Other than that, what a magnificent website!! Let me echo the otherswithmy thanks! Best regards,-Ed Estlow Harry Boyd on 08/11/98 09:40:36 AM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu cc: (bcc: Ed Estlow/SRM/US)Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Chris, I'm having trouble finding "artistree.com"etc. I've seen othershavefound it. Do you have any idea if the trouble is on my end?Harry Boyd Chris Wohlford wrote: Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email meofflist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from thramer@presys.com Tue Aug 11 13:46:28 1998 0000 Subject: Re: New kid on the ListServer Tim Thorstad wrote: I thought I'd introduce myself - Tim Thorstad in Mesa, Arizona. While I was thrashing around the internet about a week ago (looking the FFF web site. from there I e-mailed Ralph Moon about the book,and he suggested I join the listserver. Background: Some year-and-a-half or two years ago I read an article inFlyrod and Reel about bamboo fly rods. It mentioned Garrison's book.I found it in the library, read it, and thought it was the perfectblend of art and engineering (yes I'm an engineer). That thought has been simmering on the back burner since then - untilI sold a Harley (AMF) and got the seed money for gettin' in the rodmaking game. Right now I own Garrison's book, Jack Howell's new book,and intend on getting Cattanach's book. I'm building a work area inthe garage, having my brother make some rough planing forms (he's acabinet maker), and gettin' an old curmudgeon friend to machine upfinal planing forms. All the rest of the stuff is still in theplanning stage, or still at the flea market. So here I am, and there I go! Any rodmakers in the Phoenix area? Any crappy culms out there I canpractice on (a suggestion in Howell's book)? TimYou can contact Alta Vista Classic Anglers in Phoenix. They should bestarting some cane classes soon. At least someone knows what to do withan AMF Harley!A.J.Thramer from chris@artistree.com Tue Aug 11 15:25:02 1998 NAA03271 Subject: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Dear List Members, I fixed misspelled email address, should read canelibrary@artsitree.com Hit thereload button if it doesn't . Thanks to all who caught that. Was up latewiththis one. The site address is http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/ and itlooks likeS,C&L in SplitCaneLibrary has to be in caps or the address will be a 404notfound. Geeze....that's a new browser technical quirk for me. Most important, I don't own or have not read everything listed. Thesetitleswere gathered from various sources including my library, discovering in abookstore, other books, word of mouth and so on. So...if you plan onpurchasing,please research the book as best you can first. I am hoping that thislistingwill provide a starting point to further research. In other words, It shouldbeviewed as an old fashioned card catalog with the world as your library. Which brings me to the next subject. 1) If you have read any of the listed books/materials with a blankdescription,please email me as I would sure like to fill in the blank. 2) If you think any book(s) listed do not qualify to be listed...I sure wouldlike to hear about that as well. For example, I was toying with throwingout MelMarshels books because I think they are damn useless, but that is a matterofopinion and if someone sees that its just a few pages of nothing much thentheycan make up their own mind to find it. 3) PLEASE SHARE any other books or materials you know of or come acrossin thefuture. It will be a great help to us all. And last, Thank you very much for all the praises. That in itself is rewardenough. Thanks again. --Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from jfoster@gte.net Tue Aug 11 16:20:16 1998 Subject: maker does anyone know how to get ahold of Tom Moran thanks jerry from jfoster@gte.net Tue Aug 11 16:49:49 1998 Subject: Re: Distribution Help :-( geez guys, you finaly got to me. I was involved with Alan Kay, PARC (smalltalk) early on and thenmigrated to UNIX and Apple (mac). to give gates credit for windoze and or anything inovative is liketelling this list you just discovered a new rodmaking material, TonkinCane.. lovejerry from cmj@post11.tele.dk Tue Aug 11 16:57:04 1998 (InterMail v4.0 217-106) with SMTP +0200 Subject: Sv: maker QAA01516 does anyone know how to get ahold of Tom Moran thanks jerry Don't know if this is valid, but try: Tom Moran37 FoxhillsAshurst, TottonSouthampton, SO40 7EDUK regards, Carsten from rclarke@eou.edu Tue Aug 11 17:38:08 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Dave, have not fished the McKenzie (what say ye, Mac?), but the Deschutesis an incredible river. We are very lucky to have such a place in Oregon. Hope to hit it this month for summer run steelies. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu ----------From: LECLAIR123@aol.com Subject: Re: Hinges and RollcastsDate: Monday, August 10, 1998 6:50 PM Chris,I know what you meen about the rivers being dangerous out west compared to here in NY. I have fished the Deshutes River and McKensy Rivers in Oregon and they are alittle scary.I too did alot of rollcasting.I found it alot easier than making a regular cast in that wind. And THESNAKES!!!!! We don't see many critters back here like you do out there. It is nice to see heards of Mule Deer running wild while yourfishing. Dave LeClair from fiveside@net-gate.com Tue Aug 11 18:19:32 1998 ns1.net-gate.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA22247 for Subject: Rollcasts/Hinges Revisited To the ListGuess I didn't phrase my question just right. Being as near to a dry flypurist as you will find around these days (no hang-ups, just like it thatway) I wondered whether you roll-cast advocates give up on the floatingflyor do you have a way to make it work with roll casts or is the bottom linethat a rod that roll casts well will also do all other things well?? Bill from jlintvet@clarityconnect.com Tue Aug 11 18:31:28 1998 mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2b4);Tue, 11Aug 1998 19:39:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Coated snakes guides I use H&H almost religiously. The DLC guides I have used have never had a problem with the coating coming off. However, sometimes when you get the guides the coating is not all the way on in the first place...they missed a spot. Jon Lintvet140 East Spencer StreetIthaca, NY 14580(800) 836-7558(607) 277-4510 http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from Nodewrrior@aol.com Tue Aug 11 18:51:13 1998 Subject: Re: IL smallies Thanks to all for the bass tips, the Chicago area isn't the best for stramfishing in general as rivers like the Des Plaines tend to be slow andmuddy.I'll be getting out my map tonight! Rob from ragnarig@integrityol.com Tue Aug 11 19:26:57 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A331E80168; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:34:57 PDT Subject: Re: Rollcasts/Hinges Revisited Guess I didn't phrase my question just right. Being as near to a dry flypurist as you will find around these days (no hang-ups, just like it thatway) I wondered whether you roll-cast advocates give up on the floatingflyor do you have a way to make it work with roll casts or is the bottom linethat a rod that roll casts well will also do all other things well?? Bill Dear Bill Some will. The rods I've made on the Young tapers seem to cast a dryreallywell, as does the Cattanach 6342, as generally do the Jim Payne and FredThomas rods. As far as combining the roll cast with a dry fly, as long asthe fly and leader are well matched, the above-mentioned rods should beableto pull it off reasonably well. Depends on your expectations. Davy from MasjC1@aol.com Tue Aug 11 20:35:35 1998 Subject: First rod completed -- Thanks On July the 8th at 8:15 pm I became a bamboo rod maker. I completed myfirsttwo rods -- a Wayne Cattanach 7' 4wt 2 pc otherwise know as the *Sir DFavorite* and a 4"4" 4wt. 1 pc. A. J. Thramer taper. I just wanted to say thanks to all the list members for posting advise andencouragement. Even though such advise and encouragement was notaddressspecifically to me it all was a great help in completing the rods. Thanks toWayne for his book and video which I used as my basic reference and guide.Ialso used bit and pieces from George Barnes, Jack Howell, and the GarrisonandCarmichael books in working through these first rods. Thanks to Darryl forhisconstant and consistent praise for the 7' 4 wt. It was his support for thistaper that caused me to select this as my first rod. It is indeed all he saysit is. I spent the last three weeks near Leadville, Colorado fishing theheadwaters of the Arkansas River. The rods are well broken in with the 7'accounting for 135 Browns and Cutthroats and the 4' 4" for 50. The 4' 4"isnot a toy rod and although it will not through as much line as the 7' it isgreat in small brush choked streams. Incidentally, I used the McKenzie Bamboo fly line and liked it a lot. Itcastswell and is more limber than the usual line. Again, thanks to all the list members and authors. These rods would nothavebeen possible with out all your help. I hope I'm in the position to helpothers as you have helped me. Mark Cole from LECLAIR123@aol.com Tue Aug 11 20:36:48 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Chris,That sounds like the time at our hunting camp in theAdirondacks.Wehad a keg of beer outside in the snow,to keep it cold.But, no one wanted to gooutside to get any beer because there was a pack of coy dogs hanging outside thecamp. These dogs are the size of German Shepards and they are verynasty,espesally when there is a group of them.One of the guys went out with his handguntoget a beer and one of the dogs stood at the corner of the camp showing histeeth and growlling.The guy came back inside and NOBODY drank any berer THATnight. Dave L. from LECLAIR123@aol.com Tue Aug 11 20:49:35 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Tony,I love Australia and watch every TV program there is aboutAustralia. Some day (if I ever get the money) I'd love to come over there to rollcast,even though you guys have the Nastiest,snakes,spiders and who knows whatelesover there.And the Tasmanian Devel.He's a real cutey.I like the joke youplayedon your friend (he still is your friend,isn't he?) That sounds like somethingI'd do. Enjoy your fishing and don't forget to bring that big stick. Dave from richjez@enteract.com Tue Aug 11 20:52:44 1998 0000 (147.126.253.18) Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library Great site. I didn't realize there was sooo much information avaliable.Great layout and easy to operate page. Loads quickly too. There must havebeen a lot of work put into the page. I am glad I just got a new job today or I would have been mad finding outall those new books to and having no income to spend on them. Rich Jezioro At 08:39 PM 8/10/98 -0800, you wrote:Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email me offlist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro @ /||/______/_||_________________________________________|| /\ / \ > > from LECLAIR123@aol.com Tue Aug 11 20:55:14 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Tony, ours,when you flush it??? I just gatta know. Dave from LECLAIR123@aol.com Tue Aug 11 21:04:49 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts I'd love to go back to the Deshutes again.It was fantastic. Dave from LECLAIR123@aol.com Tue Aug 11 21:12:44 1998 Subject: Re: maker Jerry,I corispond with Tom on a regular basis.His address is: Tom Moran10 Well CloseNew MiltonHamshire BH25 6TA His phone number is- 01425615196 Dave LeClair from SalarFly@aol.com Tue Aug 11 22:32:57 1998 Subject: Re: First rod completed -- Thanks In a message dated 8/11/98 6:41:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,MasjC1@aol.comwrites: Thanks to Darryl for hisconstant and consistent praise for the 7' 4 wt. It was his support forthistaper that caused me to select this as my first rod. It is indeed all he says it is. Yup, it's a great taper. I like handing it to someone to cast and watchingtheir eyes widen with surprise. Most graphite guys say it feels just likea graphite rod - I'm still not sure if that's a compliment or not... You did save Wayne's post with the series of this taper from 6'3"to 7' 6" didn't you? I keep trying to emphasize to everyone whata treasure that list is. Even if you don't need it now, you willprobably want it sooner or later. I posted a one piece 5 ft. taper a little while ago. You might think of it asan extension of this taper. It was based on Wayne's taper, and casts justlike it. I'm working on an 8 ft. version, but I have to get a few promised rods made first. Three of them are... You guessed it, The Sir D Favorite. Darryl from jfoster@gte.net Tue Aug 11 22:52:41 1998 Subject: Re: maker Thanks Dave I still have to send you my drawings of your ferrules..but i haven'tfound them since my move.. regards jerry from jfoster@gte.net Tue Aug 11 22:54:19 1998 Subject: Re: Sv: maker Thanks Carsten regards jerry from jjohnso4@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 11 23:25:00 1998 AAA07230 Subject: Re: Coated snakes guides At 07:30 PM 8/11/98 +0000, Jon Lintvet wrote: I use H&H almost religiously. The DLC guides I have used have never had a problem with the coating coming off. However, sometimes when you get the guides the coating is not all the way on in the first place...they missed a spot. Hi Jon, You could be absolutely correct in the case I mentioned also. They mayhave missed some spots on mine instead of the finish peeling or flakingoff. I didn't look at them closely enough to determine the difference. Later,Johnny----------------------------------------------Johnny JohnsonLilburn, GA from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Wed Aug 12 02:35:59 1998 Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:35:46 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: Tony, ours,when you flush it??? I just gatta know. Dave Tassie Devils are cute little fellers but remember, they hunt in packs!I hear toilets do swirl in the opposite direction here compared to down under where you guys are but I can't say.Over the last 6-8 months there have been some people take up rod making out here and I've been toying with the idea of trying to get "The Antipodes Cane Rod Gathering" happening in Tasmania in 2000 around the same time as the Olympics. There is an anual fly tyers gathering in Tas and I thought it might be a good idea to have the rod thing happen concurently. I have to deal with a few official people in Tas before things can realy be said to get started though, so for anybody interested watch this space. One things for sure if it does happen, there will be lots of interesting people, lots of fishing and lots of beer. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from iank@nelson.planet.org.nz Wed Aug 12 05:42:05 1998 ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:41:56 +1200 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Tony, Please keep me advised . I might just be able to make it . I may haverecovered financially from the establishment costs of rodmaking by thattimeand been able to save enough of our rapidly depreciating dollars to affordsuch a trip. At least the Aus dollar is falling at close to the same rate asthe NZ dollar.( Also my wife has wanted to have a holiday in Tasmania forsome time so I might get some bonus points at the same time . I can tellherabout the rodmakers gathering after we arrive as time spent in the garageisstarting to become a tender point at the moment ) regards Ian KAt 03:35 PM 12/08/98 +0800, you wrote:On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: Tony, ours,when you flush it??? I just gatta know. Dave Tassie Devils are cute little fellers but remember, they hunt in packs!I hear toilets do swirl in the opposite direction here compared to down under where you guys are but I can't say.Over the last 6-8 months there have been some people take up rod making out here and I've been toying with the idea of trying to get "The Antipodes Cane Rod Gathering" happening in Tasmania in 2000 around the same time as the Olympics. There is an anual fly tyers gathering in Tas and I thought it might be a good idea to have the rod thing happen concurently. I have to deal with a few official people in Tas before things can realy be said to get started though, so for anybody interested watch this space. One things for sure if it does happen, there will be lots of interesting people, lots of fishing and lots of beer. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ Ian Kearney phone 0064 03 5445556104 Champion Road Fax 0064 03 5440374Richmond New Zealand email inak@ts.co.nz from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Wed Aug 12 06:17:14 1998 Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:17:08 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Ian Kearney wrote: Tony, Please keep me advised . I might just be able to make it . I may haverecovered financially from the establishment costs of rodmaking by thattimeand been able to save enough of our rapidly depreciating dollars to affordsuch a trip. At least the Aus dollar is falling at close to the same rate asthe NZ dollar.( Also my wife has wanted to have a holiday in Tasmaniaforsome time so I might get some bonus points at the same time . I can tellherabout the rodmakers gathering after we arrive as time spent in thegarage isstarting to become a tender point at the moment ) regards Ian K Ian,no worries about keeping you informed but as I said things need to actually get started. As you'd know Perth is closer to Singapore than Launceston and although Tassie is a great place to fish and visit in all other respects it's an unusual concept, particually when it comes to gov departments so it's all going to be done by remote control as it were.There is no reason to involve the gov except there may be advantages in getting the tourisim dept on board for some reason or another and they may be able to advise if there needs to be formal notices posted or advise the local police or something. It may also come in handy for approaching James Boag brewery as being the official beer???? Definatly tell the wife about the rod thing after landing in Launceston. Co- incidences can be amazing things sometimes. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Wed Aug 12 08:40:53 1998 Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:40:40 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bamboo Fly Rod Library On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Chris Wohlford wrote: Dear List Members,I had been toying around with the idea of creating a web site based on adatabase list I had complied over time. Well, I finally got around todoing it and it's now on-line. The web site is basically a list ofpublished materials dealing directly or indirectly with the bamboo flyrod. I hope that this listing will be of help for builders, collectorsand enthusiasts in identifying and locating these published materials.I'm sure that I as well as others would appreciate any additions,corrections or comments you might have. Please feel free to email meofflist and I will try to keep it updated. Thanks for your help. The site address is as follows:http://www.artistree.com/SplitCaneLibrary/-- Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com Mighty effort Chris. It's on it's way to becoming a tome. Nice layout. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from anglport@con2.com Wed Aug 12 09:28:07 1998 Subject: Down under/up over Tony,I never knew "down under" worked both ways! I guess I somehowthought that we were "up over" to you guys. I nearly fell off my chairseeing you use the same term we do. It must all be in the perspective.Whenyou drop things, don't they fly UP? (I have identical twin daughters and youwould not BELIEVE some of the questions they have been asked! "Do youeverwake up in the morning and not know which one you are?" This from a HIGHSCHOOL friend!Anyway, that Gathering sounds wonderful, but from what I hearrodbuilders earn, I don't know how many guys you're going to get from"otherhemispheres" (to eschew positional chauvinism and remain politicallycorrect).Be talkin' to ya,Art At 03:35 PM 8/12/98 +0800, you wrote:On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: Tony, ours,when you flush it??? I just gatta know. Dave I hear toilets do swirl in the opposite direction here compared to down under where you guys are but I can't say. Tony from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Wed Aug 12 11:49:28 1998 0500 Subject: SRG Update Friends,The Southern Rodmakers Gathering is picking up steamevery day. Already 20 people are signed up to attend, and Ihear from someone new almost every day. Sounds to me likewe're going to have a good group and quite a good time. I'mstill a little surpised that our Missouri and Texascontingents are a little slow to respond. - (yes, that'sbait!)I hope more and more of you will make plans to joinus October 1. Below is the original publicity flyer I put out; listsof demonstrations and workshops, and current attendees list--.SOUTHERN BAMBOO RODMAKERS GATHERING A Southern Rodmakers Gathering will be held prior to theSouthern Council Federation of Fly Fishers Conclave atMountain Home, Arkansas, October 2- 4,1988.This will be an informal gathering held at the Riverside Pavillion of Quarry State Park on the Norfork River,Thursday October 1, 1988. Plans are to gather 30+ rodmakerstogether, cast each other's rods, hear and see presentations from any and all volunteers, split some culms, plane somestrips, demonstrate tools, swap equipment, ask questions,brag, laugh, eat, drink, and fish one of the best troutstreams in the world.All Rodmakers and potential rodmakers should make plansto attend. Bring all your rods and what tools you cancarry, and learn from the other Rodmakers present. Ifyou've never built a rod but want to learn more, we wouldlove to have you join us.The Pavillion is equipped with a large BBQ pit available to anyone who wants to cook. Bring your own food and drink, or make a quick run to the small town of Norfork to eat atone of the cafes.Hopes are that this will be the forerunner of moreformal gatherings in days to come. Many talented rodmakerslive and work in the Southern United States and have littleopportunity to attend similar gatherings in other parts ofthe country. By holding this first informal gathering wehope to develop an annual time and place for gathering oneweekend each year.All rodmakers planning to attend are asked to registerwith:Harry Boyd507 Highland StreetWinnsboro, LA 71295e-mail (fbcwin@fsbnet.com)(318)435-4359 - days(318)435-2278 - eveningsOnly those registered will be eligible for door prizes. Harold and Eileen Demarest of Charles H. Demarest, Inc., the premier importers of fine Tonkin Cane for Rodbuilding,will share an informative presentation on their adventuresin securing Bamboo from China. Other demonstrations include: The Morgan Hand Mill by Bill Lamberson, The George Barnes/Tom Smithwick plane iron sharpening method by Harry Boyd,Making your own ferrules and reelseats, and historicallyaccurate restoration techniques by Leo Eck, An assemble your own scraper wokshop by Kurt Loup, A demo on making your own forms, binders, and necessary tools by Tony Spezio, andRichard Tyree will do a demonstration on some of his veryinnovative ideas for rodmaking tools. Any maker interestedin giving a presentation or demonstrating any area of bamboo rodmaking, please contact Harry Boyd at address above. Attendee list as of August 12:Harry Boyd, Kurt Loup, Tony Spezio, Bill Lamberson, DonLaurenza, Rick Crenshaw, Jody Titone, Jerry Ballard, JohnCole, Eric Koehler, Harold and Eileen Demarest, RichardTyree, Dan Cooney, Terry Kirkpatrick, Barry Ericson, RalphQuinn, Leo Eck, Jim Freeman, Scott Wilson (possible) andothersas the list continues to grow! from ragnarig@integrityol.com Wed Aug 12 18:21:42 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A54D2180266; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:29:17 PDT Subject: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell Dear Ian I don't know if you've been paying really close attention to the recentmessages on this here list but, If you do go to Tasmania with T. Young, andif you do go out camping or picknicking or fishing with him, my advice istocheck yer trousers for goannas before doing up the buttons. Just a word tothe wise. Davy from MasjC1@aol.com Wed Aug 12 19:09:42 1998 Subject: Sir D Favorite Darryl, Yes, I did save Wayne's post with the scaled tapers. Although I think mynextrod will be the Sir D in a three piece version. I want something a littlemorepackable than the two piece. Is there much or any difference in the feel ofthe two piece and three piece when casting? Mark Cole from sats@gte.net Wed Aug 12 20:01:52 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote:... I've been toying with the idea of trying to get "The Antipodes Cane Rod Gathering" happening in Tasmania in 2000 around the same time as the Olympics. That WOULD be a dream trip! I wonder if I can talk my wife into it....??? Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from sats@gte.net Wed Aug 12 20:02:20 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts There is no reason to involve the gov except there may be advantages in getting the tourisim dept on board for some reason or another and they may be able to advise if there needs to be formal notices posted or advise the local police or something. The local police? I didn't think us rod makers was THAT bad! (We'd even sweep up the shavings after the drunk....) Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from sats@gte.net Wed Aug 12 20:02:34 1998 Subject: Re: SRG Update I hope more and more of you will make plans to joinus October 1. I was able to get a little time off around the 1st, so I'll probably be flyingin to Memphis that Morning. I understand it's about four hours drive fromthereto Mountain Home? That'll put me in around 1 or two in the afternoon. Anyonestill going to be there? I hope so. Look forward to seeing all of you and fishing some bamboo! Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from chris@artistree.com Wed Aug 12 20:26:32 1998 SAA15519 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Dave, Hmmm...did I mention the earthquakes? :) Best Regards, Chris "hey, where did all the fish go?" Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: Chris,That sounds like the time at our hunting camp in theAdirondacks.Wehad a keg of beer outside in the snow,to keep it cold.But, no one wantedto gooutside to get any beer because there was a pack of coy dogs hangingoutsidethecamp.These dogs are the size of German Shepards and they are verynasty,espesally when there is a group of them.One of the guys went outwith hishandgun togeta beer and one of the dogs stood at the corner of the camp showinghisteeth andgrowlling.The guy came back inside and NOBODY drank any bererTHATnight. Dave L. from LECLAIR123@aol.com Wed Aug 12 21:23:13 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts That rod gathering idea sounds good.Maybe I could get to see one of thoselittle devils while I was there.Maybe even a Tasmanian Tiger,too. Dave from SalarFly@aol.com Wed Aug 12 23:26:44 1998 Subject: Re: Sir D Favorite In a message dated 8/12/98 5:15:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,MasjC1@aol.comwrites: Yes, I did save Wayne's post with the scaled tapers. Although I think my nextrod will be the Sir D in a three piece version. I want something a little morepackable than the two piece. Is there much or any difference in the feelofthe two piece and three piece when casting? Not much of a difference in the feel, but re-read the thread about "castingfractures" in the ferrule wraps. I never get them with 2 piece rods, butI do get them in the lower wrap of the lower ferrule. Darryl from bruno@linkline.com Thu Aug 13 00:15:50 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A78015C30176; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:20:00 PDT Subject: Re: Distribution Help :-( vs. sawing the culm Jerry Foster wrote: I was involved with Alan Kay, PARC (smalltalk) early on and thenmigrated to UNIX and Apple (mac).to give gates credit for windoze and or anything inovative is liketelling this list you just discovered a new rodmaking material, TonkinCane.. snippage NO KIDDING? To some of us wanna be techies, you PARC guys are likedemi- godz-sort -of!GUI in, uh, 1972 or whatever? Nothing new under the sun, eh? WOWI cant believe that fella (b.g) has the audacity to whine about softwarepiracy. He "developed" it...Nuff Said! P.S.When we talk about sawing cane vs. splitting, and we consider thebenefitsof splitting (maintaininggrain-ular integrity), isn't that benefit negated by the planing (of thetip sections in particular) anyway? Or is it possible to maintaincontinuous fibers toward the end of the tip strips where this effect woulddo the most good? It confounds me further when I factor in my perceivedbelief that heat straightening nodal sections seriously compromises theintegrity and strength of the cane in that area of the strips anyway...tiabill> from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Thu Aug 13 00:45:01 1998 Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:44:48 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, David wrote: Dear Ian I don't know if you've been paying really close attention to the recentmessages on this here list but, If you do go to Tasmania with T. Young,andif you do go out camping or picknicking or fishing with him, my advice istocheck yer trousers for goannas before doing up the buttons. Just a wordtothe wise. Davy Heyyyy, take it easy. /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from Anachemrpo@aol.com Thu Aug 13 06:33:11 1998 Subject: Great American Rod Shop? Do any of the long time makers recall and know what happened to acompany inNew Berlin, Pa. called the Great American Rod Compan? They used (twenty years ago) to have a line of bamboo rod making toolsunderthe name of Carlson. Thanks, Russell LavigneSt. Albans Vt. from rmoon@ida.net Thu Aug 13 07:28:13 1998 Subject: Re: Great American Rod Shop? boundary="------------38ECBD0243334A51D9966B4E" --------------38ECBD0243334A51D9966B4E The name was Carson (Carmichael- Garrison) I bought a planing form, butI don't think the outfit lasted more than a few months. As I recall, itwas apparantly producing tools under an arrangement with Carmichael. Ralph Moon --------------38ECBD0243334A51D9966B4E boughta planing form, but I don't think the outfit lasted more than a few As I recall, it was apparantly producing tools under an arrangement withCarmichael. Ralph Moon --------------38ECBD0243334A51D9966B4E-- from Anachemrpo@aol.com Thu Aug 13 07:46:50 1998 Subject: Re: Great American Rod Shop? Ralph Moon wrote, ... Thanks, I thought that there was some story behind them. Russell LavigneSt. Albans, Vt. from ragnarig@integrityol.com Thu Aug 13 08:01:21 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A57C16201DA; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:09:16 PDT Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell Oh, sorry Tony, I forgot to add the little smiley face. We all know youwould never never never pull such an evil prank on an innocent NewZealander;-) On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, David wrote: Dear Ian I don't know if you've been paying really close attention to the recentmessages on this here list but, If you do go to Tasmania with T. Young,andif you do go out camping or picknicking or fishing with him, my adviceistocheck yer trousers for goannas before doing up the buttons. Just a wordtothe wise. Davy Heyyyy, take it easy. /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from anglport@con2.com Thu Aug 13 08:49:40 1998 Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell OK, Davy, I'll bite. What is a goanna? And do I have to worry about themanywhere north of the Equator? I realize, that by asking this, if I evermake it to the Southern Hemisphere I'm the patsy whose gonna have 'em inMYpants!Thanks for the enlightenment (and I can't believe nobody else has askedyet),Art At 05:58 AM 8/13/98 -0700, you wrote: Oh, sorry Tony, I forgot to add the little smiley face. We all know youwould never never never pull such an evil prank on an innocent NewZealander;-) On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, David wrote: Dear Ian I don't know if you've been paying really close attention to the recentmessages on this here list but, If you do go to Tasmania with T. Young,andif you do go out camping or picknicking or fishing with him, my adviceistocheck yer trousers for goannas before doing up the buttons. Just awordtothe wise. Davy Heyyyy, take it easy. /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Thu Aug 13 10:05:59 1998 0500 Subject: Re: SRG Update Sure will Terry. In fact, from a purely selfish standpoint, I don'tthinkwe'll officially start the activities until mid-morning. That way I can trytofish since we'llbeoutdoors, it only makes sense to do that late in the day. My thinking is tostartaround 10am, have a few demo's and break for lunch. Then we'll have someinformalBStimes - show and tell, etc. and start back with other demos around2:00pm. Youreally shouldn't miss much of the activity.You might want to contact Rick Crenshaw (stpete@netten.net) whowill alsobeattending. He's from Memphis and can probably tell you more about traveltimesandroutes. I'm sure you've checked into it, but the Little Rock Airport is alongtwohours from the sight. May be closer but more expensive, I don't know. LeoEckfromthat area is also going to be driving up on Thursday. If you're trying tobum aride, I'll forward his number.Hope some of this helps, and see you on October 1!Harry Terry L. Kirkpatrick wrote: I hope more and more of you will make plans to joinus October 1. I was able to get a little time off around the 1st, so I'll probably beflyingin to Memphis that Morning. I understand it's about four hours drive fromthereto Mountain Home? That'll put me in around 1 or two in the afternoon. Anyonestill going to be there? I hope so. Look forward to seeing all of you and fishing some bamboo! Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from Fishinstix@aol.com Thu Aug 13 10:25:38 1998 Subject: rough planing Hello all,Instead of doing the rough planing with a strait 60deg taperless planingform,has anybody used the final planing forms with the final taper set in to 30%larger than final dimension? Then bind and heat treat as usual. Then resetinfinal dimensions on planing forms and commence final planing. I tried thisona butt section and I found it to work great. The benefit was a very straitstrip for final planing, and much less final planing. The end result aftergluing and sanding was a very strait blank. Your comments would beappreciated. Thanks, Mark Mills from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Thu Aug 13 10:56:59 1998 Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:54:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Southern Rodmaker Gathering Jon,Memphis is about 4 hours. Little Rock about 2 hours. The siteslisted below, especially the first, should give you plenty of info onthe area. According to the page, there are deaily connecting flightsto Dallas and St. Louis into Mt. Home. Maybe this will peak a little curiosity! Harry http://www.crl.com/~ozark/mtnhome/trout.html http://www.ozarkangler.com/index.html Jon Lintvet wrote: Any airports near by? Just curious!Jon Lintvet140 East Spencer StreetIthaca, NY 14580(800) 836-7558(607) 277- 4510http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages4/jlintvet/ from Anachemrpo@aol.com Thu Aug 13 11:05:09 1998 Subject: Source for Conover Woodcraft scraper I have seen a couple of references (Wayne and Jack Howell) to the littlescraper by Conover Woodcraft.Where can it be purchased? TIA, Russell LavigneSt. Albans, Vt. from rclarke@eou.edu Thu Aug 13 11:16:08 1998 Subject: Re: Source for Conover Woodcraft scraper Russell, check out Munro Tools on the Rodmakers page-Jon sells themthereand the price looks pretty good. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu ----------From: Anachemrpo@aol.com Subject: Source for Conover Woodcraft scraperDate: Thursday, August 13, 1998 9:04 AM I have seen a couple of references (Wayne and Jack Howell) to the littlescraper by Conover Woodcraft.Where can it be purchased? TIA, Russell LavigneSt. Albans, Vt. from tom@cet-inc.com Thu Aug 13 13:09:33 1998 0000 Subject: Re: rough planing Mark,I never really had a "short form" so, before I got a beveler, I built a halfdozen rods or so by doing the strips exactly as you suggest. Although Inever had a real problem doing it that way, I think the argument against itis that the tapered strips receive differing amounts of heat treatment.Tom Whittle BTW, are you the Mark Mills from the Harrisburg Area?-----Original Message----- Subject: rough planing Hello all,Instead of doing the rough planing with a strait 60deg taperless planingform,has anybody used the final planing forms with the final taper set in to30%larger than final dimension? Then bind and heat treat as usual. Thanks,Mark Mills from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Aug 13 13:18:50 1998 Subject: Re: rough planing In a message dated 8/13/98 8:29:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,Fishinstix@aol.com writes: Instead of doing the rough planing with a strait 60deg taperless planingform,has anybody used the final planing forms with the final taper set in to30%larger than final dimension? Yes, I did that for a couple years. Works okay, you just have to bea little careful when establishing the first initial 60 degree angle from the initial square (rectangular) rough strip. Flip it over frequently. Darryl from iank@nelson.planet.org.nz Thu Aug 13 13:32:20 1998 ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:32:12 +1200 Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell Davy , We once had a Prime Minister who made the following response to theAustralians complaining about NZers going over to Australia to live on thedole while surfing on the Gold Coast . " It is good for both New Zealand and Australia as the effect is to improvethe average IQ of the residents in both country's " :)) Ian KAt 05:58 AM 13/08/98 -0700, you wrote: Oh, sorry Tony, I forgot to add the little smiley face. We all know youwould never never never pull such an evil prank on an innocent NewZealander;-) On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, David wrote: Dear Ian I don't know if you've been paying really close attention to the recentmessages on this here list but, If you do go to Tasmania with T. Young,andif you do go out camping or picknicking or fishing with him, my adviceistocheck yer trousers for goannas before doing up the buttons. Just awordtothe wise. Davy Heyyyy, take it easy. /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ Ian Kearney phone 0064 03 5445556104 Champion Road Fax 0064 03 5440374Richmond New Zealand email inak@ts.co.nz from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Thu Aug 13 13:36:41 1998 via smap(4.1) Subject: 209E Does someone know the target line wt. for the Garrison 209E taper listedon Jerry Foster's webpage. I assume 4 or 5, but if someone has made a rod from this taper what works well for you? Thanks. Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu from sjstill@iquest.net Thu Aug 13 13:51:32 1998 0000 (209.43.54.121) Subject: Re: 209E Chris, Does someone know the target line wt. for the Garrison 209E taper listedon Jerry Foster's webpage. I assume 4 or 5, but if someone has made a rod from this taper what works well for you? Thanks. According to the info my 'teacher' gave me, the G209E is a 7'-6" 6wt. HTH SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@iquest.net from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Thu Aug 13 14:27:41 1998 0500 Subject: Brian Thoman info? Does anyone know what has happened to Brian Thoman? His webpage is down and his e-mail is bounced back. I'd like toget in touch with him. Thanks in advance, Harry Boyd from Fishinstix@aol.com Thu Aug 13 14:29:49 1998 Subject: roughing forms No, I'm not from Harrisburg but thanks for the info on the heat treating. Idid'nt think about the different amounts of drying with a taper already inplace. Thanks for the tip, it makes sense. Mark MillsWest Palm Beach, FL from ragnarig@integrityol.com Thu Aug 13 14:59:13 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A77858401B4; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:07:20 PDT Subject: Re: rough planing Dear Mark Yes, it seems a little quicker. I recently made a set of steel forms onfive- inch stations and my old teak six-inch forms got enlarged a littleforuse with larger salmon rods etc. They seem also to have become myroughingforms. When I get ready to rough-plane a buch of splines I just open upthe tip end a little and knock 'em right down. Davy Hello all,Instead of doing the rough planing with a strait 60deg taperless planingform,has anybody used the final planing forms with the final taper set in to30%larger than final dimension? Then bind and heat treat as usual. Then resetinfinal dimensions on planing forms and commence final planing. I triedthisona butt section and I found it to work great. The benefit was a very straitstrip for final planing, and much less final planing. The end result aftergluing and sanding was a very strait blank. Your comments would beappreciated. Thanks, Mark Mills from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Aug 13 15:25:37 1998 Subject: Re: roughing forms In a message dated 8/13/98 12:35:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,Fishinstix@aol.com writes: No, I'm not from Harrisburg but thanks for the info on the heat treating. Idid'nt think about the different amounts of drying with a taper alreadyinplace. Thanks for the tip, it makes sense. Mark Mills Open up your planing form so that the strip stays more orless straight. You can adjust them wider as the bevel getssmaller. Darryl from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Aug 13 15:29:32 1998 Subject: 6 Days Fishing Silk Last week on my yearly week-long fishing excursion I usedthe 7 ft. Sir D Favorite lined with the silk line I restored. Thiswas the stress test of the restoration I did on the silk line. Ididn't use anything else. I didn't even bring a graphite rodon the trip with me, and my other cane rods never evengot taken out of their cases. I wiped the line down with Mucilin every evening and againonce a day at lunch time. The silk line performed flawlessly, still looks like it was just restored, and still floats like a cork. I caught a lot during the week, and the line was used between 6 to 10 hours a day.I had zero problems with it. I even nymphed with it. Hook sets were more positive because the line doesn't stretch as much as plastic line, the silk line shoots through the guides easier than a plastic line. I'll take the silk line over a plastic line any day (as long as I don't have to buy a new one.They go for $200 a pop). Darryl from ragnarig@integrityol.com Thu Aug 13 15:33:23 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF745BA01B4; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:41:24 PDT Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell OK, Davy, I'll bite. What is a goanna? And do I have to worry about themanywhere north of the Equator? I realize, that by asking this, if I evermake it to the Southern Hemisphere I'm the patsy whose gonna have 'emin MYpants!Thanks for the enlightenment (and I can't believe nobody else has askedyet),Art The Seattle Public Library's unabridged dictionary, which is kind ofwaterlogged and moldy, defines a goanna as: "...one of several largemonitorlizards inhabiting Australian computer screens, whose primary foodsource isthought to be Windows error prompts." Davy from TSmithwick@aol.com Thu Aug 13 15:48:25 1998 Subject: Re: 209E In a message dated 8/13/98 6:58:17 PM, you wrote: Steve and Chris, According to "The Book", the 209E is a 7'9" version of the 7 1/2 foot 209. Ihaven't built the 209E, but the 209 is a favorite, and I like it with a 5weight. I don't see enough difference between the tapers to think the209Ewould go up a line weight. I like to fish a long line so I guess you have toconsider the source.Two years ago I made a 6 weight version of the 209 using Hexrod whichadded afew thousanths to each station to effect the change. This proved to be asuccessful 6 weight taper. from anglport@con2.com Thu Aug 13 16:47:33 1998 Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell Davy,"Well I'll be! I never thought that one would be in the dictionary. Ithought it was some sort of localism. (I didn't know you were in theNorthwest Territories; that's how New Yorkers think of places like Oregonand Washington .) I had an international dictionary right next to mewhile I was at the 'puter. A large lizard, eh? The dictionary doesn'tmention CRTs; does your definition mean I won't have to worry about thething in my pants as long as none of my organs are electronic and I have notattoos with "Gates" in 'em? Art At 01:30 PM 8/13/98 -0700, you wrote: OK, Davy, I'll bite. What is a goanna? And do I have to worry about themanywhere north of the Equator? I realize, that by asking this, if I evermake it to the Southern Hemisphere I'm the patsy whose gonna have 'emin MYpants!Thanks for the enlightenment (and I can't believe nobody else has askedyet),Art The Seattle Public Library's unabridged dictionary, which is kind ofwaterlogged and moldy, defines a goanna as: "...one of several largemonitorlizards inhabiting Australian computer screens, whose primary foodsource isthought to be Windows error prompts." Davy from sjstill@iquest.net Thu Aug 13 17:28:48 1998 0000 (209.43.47.200) Subject: 209E - oops , According to "The Book", the 209E is a 7'9" version of the 7 1/2 foot 209. AARRGHHH, that's what I get for looking too quickly! The 209 is what I'mbuilding for #1! (note to self- -get specs checked) SteveSteve and Julie StillabowerIndianapolis, INsjstill@iquest.net from LECLAIR123@aol.com Thu Aug 13 20:12:43 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Chris, Earthquakes?? We had one of those things here back a few yearsago. I woke up and the handles on my dresser were rattling.That's the extentofmy experiance with earthquakes. Dave from LECLAIR123@aol.com Thu Aug 13 20:17:31 1998 Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell Goana- Havn't you guys ever watched The Crocodile Hunter on TV.Cheezz. Dave from anglport@con2.com Thu Aug 13 20:50:44 1998 Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell NOPE!! At 09:16 PM 8/13/98 EDT, you wrote:Goana- Havn't you guys ever watched The Crocodile Hunter on TV.Cheezz. Dave from chris@artistree.com Thu Aug 13 21:54:16 1998 TAA01081 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Dave,We had a 5.4 quake yesterday. Being on the 6th floor of a building in SanFrancisco made for a bit of a ride. :( Anyway, no harm done but I'm mostdefinitely going fishing this weekend!!!--Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: Chris, Earthquakes?? We had one of those things here back a few yearsago. I woke up and the handles on my dresser were rattling.That's the extentofmy experiance with earthquakes. Dave from channer@hubwest.com Fri Aug 14 00:22:32 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AA0482CC014E; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:24:20 MDT Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell At 10:09 PM 8/13/98 -0400, you wrote:NOPE!! At 09:16 PM 8/13/98 EDT, you wrote:Goana- Havn't you guys ever watched The Crocodile Hunter on TV.Cheezz. Dave Art;Crocodile Hunter is not to be missed, this guy is the biggest lunatic onthe planet. John from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 14 00:51:58 1998 Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:51:43 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: Goana- Havn't you guys ever watched The Crocodile Hunter on TV.Cheezz. Dave Please tell me you don't get Crocodile Hunter in the US?That's shown here at about 11pm on a Sunday night. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 14 00:54:00 1998 Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:53:53 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, john channer wrote: At 10:09 PM 8/13/98 -0400, you wrote:NOPE!! At 09:16 PM 8/13/98 EDT, you wrote:Goana- Havn't you guys ever watched The Crocodile Hunter onTV.Cheezz. Dave Art;Crocodile Hunter is not to be missed, this guy is the biggest lunatic onthe planet. John Mmmmmm. My wife can't watch it. She says the show reminds her of someone from years ago. A friend of mine I suspect.The Croc hunter is a madman though.Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from TSmithwick@aol.com Fri Aug 14 06:51:41 1998 Subject: Re: 209E - oops In a message dated 8/13/98 11:01:11 PM, you wrote: You won't be disappointed, it's a very smooth caster, and a fairly easytransition if you are used to plastic. from dryfly@erols.com Fri Aug 14 08:34:44 1998 Subject: Test Test, seems to quiet the last two days. from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Fri Aug 14 09:11:33 1998 (modemcable236.173.mmtl.videotron.net KAA21973 for Subject: Single foot snake guides boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDC769.F0176340" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDC769.F0176340 I await patiently each day the postal delivery which just might contain mycopy of Wayne Cattanach's book from The Angler's Art or my copy of JackHowell's The Lovely Reed : An Enthusiast's Guide to Building Bamboo FlyRods from Amazon.com. It's been two weeks and the wait is killing me. I'mitchingto start my first rod. So in the meantime, here are some possiblyirreverentquestions:1. Has anyone out there tried the type of single- foot snake guides used byG.Loomis on their graphite rods on a bamboo rod? It would seem that thereduced weight would lighten up a bamboo rod. Also, you have half thewraps,half the foot grinding, etc.2. Speaking of guides, how about going slightly oversized? It seems to addabit of shooting power on the graphite rods I built before being bitten bythe bamboo bug.Would a bamboo rod built with slightly oversized, single foot snakeguidesbethe equivalent of adding ketchup to your fine plate of crepes flambÄd withGrand Marnier?Richard ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDC769.F0176340 name="Richard Nantel (E-mail).vcf" filename="Richard Nantel (E-mail).vcf" BEGIN:VCARDVERSION:2.1N:Nantel;Richard;;;FN:Richard Nantel (E-mail)ORG:Le groupe MENTOR;TITLE:TEL;WORK;VOICE:(514) 393- 3292TEL;HOME;VOICE:(514) 485-2287TEL;PAGER;VOICE:[1] (514) 111- 1111TEL;WORK;FAX:(514) 393-1483ADR;WORK:;;4374 Old Orchard Avenue;Monteal;Quebec;H4A 3B4;CanadaLABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED- PRINTABLE:4374 Old Orchard =Avenue=3D0D=3D0AMonteal, Quebec H4A 3B4=3D0D=3D0ACanadaADR;HOME:;;4374 Old Orchard Avenue;Monteal;Quebec;H4A 3B4;CanadaLABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED- PRINTABLE:4374 Old Orchard =Avenue=3D0D=3D0AMonteal, Quebec H4A 3B4=3D0D=3D0ACanadaEMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:richard.nantel@videotron.caREV:19980514T133343ZEND:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDC769.F0176340-- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 14 09:18:09 1998 Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:17:35 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, David wrote: Oh, sorry Tony, I forgot to add the little smiley face. We all know youwould never never never pull such an evil prank on an innocent NewZealander;-) No one I plan on interacting with over time anyhow.Ian, do you remember the "under arm bowl" of Trevor Chappel's a few years back, stupid question I know.I was watching that game on tv at Papatotoe Motor Camp with about 40 other drunken Kiwis when that happened. All exits out of the room were blocked and I *only* just made it out the window when they all realised there was an Aussie amonst them. No practial jokes that night I can tell you. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 14 09:23:52 1998 Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:22:46 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Ian Kearney wrote: Davy , We once had a Prime Minister who made the following response to theAustralians complaining about NZers going over to Australia to live onthedole while surfing on the Gold Coast . " It is good for both New Zealand and Australia as the effect is toimprovethe average IQ of the residents in both country's " :)) That must have been David Longey(sp?) He was an inteligent guy even for a politician (and a Kiwi) ;-)He prob started the joke about Australians liking to wear elastic sided boots 'cause we can't tie our shoe laces. Tony from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 14 09:31:26 1998 Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:30:24 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Single foot snake guides wugate.wustl.edu idJAA15995 On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Richard Nantel wrote: I await patiently each day the postal delivery which just might containmycopy of Wayne Cattanach's book from The Angler's Art or my copy of JackHowell's The Lovely Reed : An Enthusiast's Guide to Building Bamboo FlyRods from Amazon.com. It's been two weeks and the wait is killing me. I'mitchingto start my first rod. So in the meantime, here are some possiblyirreverentquestions: So far so good 1. Has anyone out there tried the type of single-foot snake guides usedbyG.Loomis on their graphite rods on a bamboo rod? It would seem that thereduced weight would lighten up a bamboo rod. Also, you have half thewraps,half the foot grinding, etc. The weight saving would be vanishingly small as would be any benifit butthe effect would be IMHO unfortunate. 2. Speaking of guides, how about going slightly oversized? It seems toadd abit of shooting power on the graphite rods I built before being bitten bythe bamboo bug.Would a bamboo rod built with slightly oversized, single footsnakeguides bethe equivalent of adding ketchup to your fine plate of crepes flambÄdwithGrand Marnier? To each his own, but again IMHO, yes. While on the subject. I've always thought conventional strippers on a rod with snakes looks a bit out of place even though it's well conventional.I tried a rod with a H&H SEYMO snake stripper and found it looked pretty nice, notwithstanding what I wrote above. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from andrew_harsanyi@ibi.com Fri Aug 14 09:46:34 1998 0400 Subject: Re[2]: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell Yup we do...anyone that tries to catch the 10 most poisonous snakes in the world by hand just for a TV show must be crazy....they must pay him some big bucks! ...not to mention goanas, crocs, etc. that he also has been known to go after...good show though... Andy ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell Author: at Tcpgate On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: Goana- Havn't you guys ever watched The Crocodile Hunter on TV.Cheezz. Dave Please tell me you don't get Crocodile Hunter in the US?That's shown here at about 11pm on a Sunday night. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from ballard@zen.wes.army.mil Fri Aug 14 09:55:13 1998 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) Subject: Varnish supplier for rods A friend of mine loaned me his catalog fromStewart-MacDonald Guitar Shop Supply (www.stewmac.com).This catalog has a good variety of varnish supplies (1000 - 6000 grit), and polishing compounds for varnish don't have access to good paint/varnish stores locallythis catalog could be a good resource to use. On an other note, if your wife complains about all the equipment needed for rodmaking, you should showher all the thousands of little doo-dads need to makeguitars.. -Jerry BallardVicksburg, MS from rclarke@eou.edu Fri Aug 14 10:29:24 1998 Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell Tony, isn't he typical of most Australians? Robert Clarke(orry it isn't rod building-please be gentle) ----------From: Tony Young Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hellDate: Thursday, August 13, 1998 10:51 PM On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: Goana- Havn't you guys ever watched The Crocodile Hunter onTV.Cheezz. Dave Please tell me you don't get Crocodile Hunter in the US?That's shown here at about 11pm on a Sunday night. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Fri Aug 14 10:44:32 1998 via smap(4.1) Subject: RE: Single foot snake guides Richard, A larger stripping guide should make shooting line easier. I know the very tiny stripping guides from years gone do restrict modern lines at least some on the ones I've cast. As far as the single foot guides go, I wouldn't like the look, but it's entirely personal. After all, it's your fishing rod. Guide feet probably don't add much weight. It's only a cosmetic thing but there seems to be certain hardware and procedures that go well with bamboo. Agate,Agateen, or Mildrum style strip guides. Fine 3-5 turn tipping at the guide wraps. Aluminum or wood tubes. Cork grips. Strap and ring or pin and ring type hookkeepers etc. etc. This is only my opinion, but I did see a new rod made by one of the big rod companies recently. Two things that immediately turned me off (besidesthe price tag) were fat tipping and a plastic lined stripping guide. I hope your books arrive soon and you can start. Have fun. Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu from tomchandler@earthlink.net Fri Aug 14 11:14:22 1998 Subject: Re: Single foot snake guides As far as the single foot guides go, I wouldn't like the look, but it'sentirely personal. After all, it's your fishing rod. Guide feet probablydon't add much weight Two of the negatives about single-foot guides that you often hear fromgraphite rod builders are: 1. They aren't supported on both sides of the guide so they can be masheddown against the blank far easier than with snakes. 2. The guides pull out of the wraps far easier than with snakes. I recently wrapped a graphite blank for a friend who wanted single-footguides -- I tried to forestall the "popping out" problem by adding a fewturns of thread in front of the guide and then using more flex coat thannormal to make sure they were "glued" onto the blank and wouldn't begoinganywhere. In any case I'd think the difference in rod action would be negligible andthe results would be less rugged. Have to admit the rod went prettyquicklywith only half the wraps tho... Tight lines,TC from SalarFly@aol.com Fri Aug 14 11:24:36 1998 Subject: Re: Single foot snake guides What a coincidence! My thoughts are turning back tostripper guides and snake guides again because of thesilk lines I have been trying out, but I am thinking of goingthe other way, that is, smaller. Single foot guides - a friend of mine put them on a graphiterod he built, and has regretted it ever since. They made nodicernable difference in casting distance, and they pull outeasily. They also get bent out and closer to the blank, so heis constantly fiddling with the alignment. Perhaps they haveimproved them since he used them, but they also don't lookright on a bamboo rod in my opinion. It's also my opinionthat modern stripper guides don't look right also, but whenusing modern plastic lines, what else can you do? Darryl from gwr@seanet.com Fri Aug 14 11:45:10 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27631 for; Fri, Subject: Agatine Strippers, was Re: Single foot snake guides Hi guys, This is another of those semi-commercial announcements thathopefullywill be welcomed as a money saver. Daryll Whitehead has just dropped hisprices on Agate & Agatine guides for a short time to reduce inventory andasI've got a web site devoted to rods & such, he's allowing me to run the sale site. These are the same hand-made agatine guides that Angler's Workshopislisting for a mite under $30.00 each. The current prices have a singlecatch, you must order a minimum of five so that it is worth my time to gotothe post office. Until supplies run out: Agatines - synthetic agate, i.e., red glass, either 8.5 or 9.5 mm O. D.rings in nickel silver frames 5-9 agatines: $20.00 each. 10+ agatines: $15.00 each. or Agate - the real McCoy, either 8.5 or 9.5 mm O.D. rings in nickel silverframes - our choice of colors, ranging from pearlescent white, to brown,toreddish orange - when possible, we'll provide a mix of colors. 5-9 agates: $25.00 each. 10+ agates: $20.00 each. Shipping is $3.00 (Priority Mail) plus $1.00/$100.00 in value forinsurance (required). UPS or foriegn delivery extra. Orders will be accepted in the order in which I receive them untilsupplies are exhausted. Please email to reserve your guides. Guides willbe shipped 4-6 weeks after order is received as Daryll must assemble thecomponents for each order. I'll call you after September 2nd (when Ireturn from fishing) to let you know if you got in on the deal early enough. Ifso, you guides will be shipped by the end of September assuming we'vereceived your payment. Hope that all made sense. This guide deal will notbe posted on my web site until my return in early September, if at all, aswe only have a few hundred guides to work through.My apologies if the contents of this message offend, but at up to nearly50% off catalog prices on the agatines, I hope you'll realize that we'reonly selling these for a hair over wholesale. Commercial gain for our timeis practically nil. In a way, Daryll is on a mission to get "proper" guidesback onto the cane rods that are being produced today and if he can do thatand have fun in his retirement (he loves assembling guides), then he'shappy. For my part, I want to see the old guides make a comeback becausethey look good and they embody the history of our sport & art. MarkMetcalf, at the FFF conclave last week, pointed to the agate strippingguideon my rod and told me, "I don't think they belong on cane rods." Makes mewonder. It might make you wonder. Thanks much, Russ Goodinggwr@seanet.com16829 6th Ave. WestSuite #2BLynnwood, WA 98037 from ragnarig@integrityol.com Fri Aug 14 11:49:12 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC5BDA0130; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:56:59 PDT Subject: Re: Epoxy glue RodmakersI just finished a rod glued with West System Epoxy (105/206).Gluing, wetstraightening,and cured straightening went well, and I'm happy with theresults. I have cast the rod and everything seems fine. Does anyone have any experience using West System Epoxy for gluingbamboo rods. Morten The answer is "yes" but I haven't responded sooner because I've been tryingto remember exactly which rod I did that with. I'm pretty sure I know but,at any rate, it hasn't delaminated yet. :-) Still, I don't know enough about the subject to endorse such applicationswithout reservation, and there are certainly marine adhesives which Iwouldnot advocate using. System 3, hometown product that it is, seems nevertoreally harden and I would be reluctant to use it on a rod which will not beequipped with opposing guides. This may have been stated before, but I think it bears repeating: Nomatterwhich epoxy you use, each component should periodically be well stirredprior to mixing. They sit on a shelf, either in your shop or in a store,and the stuff separates into virtually indiscernible strata. If you mix theparts that way, the compound will never reliably bond anything. I think almost any modern adhesive can be used to glue a rod but all havetheir limitations and require proper handling. Davy from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Fri Aug 14 11:50:20 1998 0500 Subject: Re: Single foot snake guides single half a ton, and I personally think it looks awful, especially with the build saddle Mildrum stripper guide than most, (10-12mm) and it does seem to bamboo rods are 3-5 weights anyway, there really is no need to shoot 30-45 feet of line. of being paradoxical, I think smaller snakes than many suggest lookbetter, is a study in contradictions! SalarFly@aol.com wrote:What a coincidence! My thoughts are turning backtostripper guides and snake guides again because of thesilk lines I have been trying out, but I am thinking of goingthe other way, that is, smaller. Single foot guides - a friend of mine put them on a graphiterod he built, and has regretted it ever since. They made nodicernable difference in casting distance, and they pull outeasily. They also get bent out and closer to the blank, so heis constantly fiddling with the alignment. Perhaps they haveimproved them since he used them, but they also don't lookright on a bamboo rod in my opinion. It's also my opinionthat modern stripper guides don't look right also, but whenusing modern plastic lines, what else can you do? Darryl from RMargiotta@aol.com Fri Aug 14 14:17:24 1998 Subject: Re: Agatine Strippers, was Re: Single foot snake guides Russ: Two questions: 1. What was Mark Metcalf's reasoning in why agate "doesn't belong on canerods"? 2. How about bringing back the old tungsten steel snakes? --Rich from dryfly@erols.com Fri Aug 14 14:44:40 1998 Subject: No messages Haven't received any messages since 8/11/98. I tried to re-subscribebut was told that I was already subscribed. Sent test message 8/14/98but didn't receive. Are there problems? Help. Bob from gwr@seanet.com Fri Aug 14 15:10:36 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13432 for; Fri, Subject: Re: Agatine Strippers, was Re: Single foot snake guides Rich, I responded to your first question privately as I've no interest ingoing ballistic over Mr. Metcalf's comments. We both hope to be in thisindustry for a long time. His magazine will likely be reviewing my firm'sproducts in the coming years and, who knows, I may wind up writing anarticle or two for his magazine. I just thought his comment was aninteresting counterpoint to all who agree (with me among them) thatagates &agatines do in fact belong on cane rods. As to your second question, you may have your wish by the new year.I'll keep the list posted regarding the availability of newly manufacturedtungsten snakes & fine-wire tip tops. Thanks, Russ -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Agatine Strippers, was Re: Single foot snake guides Russ: Two questions: 1. What was Mark Metcalf's reasoning in why agate "doesn't belong oncanerods"? 2. How about bringing back the old tungsten steel snakes? --Rich from hhholland@erols.com Fri Aug 14 15:22:37 1998 Subject: Re: No messages Bob,The same thing happened to me. I then unsubscribed, and 10 mins. latersubscribed again. That was this morning. This afternoon there were 18messages waiting.Hank H.-----Original Message----- Subject: No messages Haven't received any messages since 8/11/98. I tried to re-subscribebut was told that I was already subscribed. Sent test message 8/14/98but didn't receive. Are there problems? Help. Bob from michael@wugate.wustl.edu Fri Aug 14 16:00:18 1998 Subject: List Problems (was Re: No messages) Hello Bob, sorry to hear about your mail problems. If the listproc software encounters delivery problems it willautomatically un- sub a user, or stop mail delivery. If youhave not been receiving RODMAKERS mail, this is most likelywhat has happened. The best cure is to first un-sub yourself from the list, and thenre-subscribe. The un-sub/re-sub usually clears up any problemsthat might exist. listproc@mail.wustl.edu In the body of the message:unsubscribe RODMAKERSsubscribe RODMAKERS yourfirstname yourlastname Let me know if you have any problems... Mike BiondoRODMAKERS Listguy from lcdr.hallowell@smtp.cnet.navy.mil Fri Aug 14 16:01:22 1998 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23650; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:02:53 -0500 R8.00.01) Subject: Re: No messages Bob You have to un-subscribe and than re-subscribe and that should do the trick Mark Hallowell ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: No messages Author: at INTERNET Haven't received any messages since 8/11/98. I tried to re-subscribe but was told that I was already subscribed. Sent test message 8/14/98 but didn't receive. Are there problems? Help. Bob from eestlow@srminc.com Fri Aug 14 16:11:01 1998 86256660.0074F1D7 ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:17:20 -0500 Subject: Re: No messages Hey guys, he's not getting messages from the listserve. Perhaps you sentone to him directly, as well. I did too.-Ed "LCDR HALLOWELL" on 08/14/9804:36:56PM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: No messages Bob You have to un-subscribe and than re-subscribe and that should do thetrick Mark Hallowell ______________________________ Reply Separator_________________________________Subject: No messagesAuthor: at INTERNET Haven't received any messages since 8/11/98. I tried to re-subscribebut was told that I was already subscribed. Sent test message 8/14/98but didn't receive. Are there problems? Help. Bob from Grhghlndr@aol.com Fri Aug 14 16:38:20 1998 Subject: Re: Single foot snake guides richard,I my self think this could be construed as blasphemy to use such a thing onabamboo rod.Just my opinion.Bret from Grhghlndr@aol.com Fri Aug 14 16:41:33 1998 Subject: Re: No messages Bob,i too didn't receive any messages for 6 days but I resubscribed and all iswell.bret from rcurry@top.monad.net Fri Aug 14 16:42:02 1998 Subject: Re: Single foot snake guides Let me give a blanket IMHO,The practice of using larger guides for better shooting doesn't makemuch sense. First, a circle within a larger circle will only share amaximum of one point, and this contact could only be significantlyreduced in occurence by tremendously enlarging the enclosing circle.Second, the larger the snake guides, the farther the line may deviate from the center of the rod; smaller, low-profile guides seem to workbetter on some rods (this may vary with the action, probably of littleconsequence with faster action rods). Third, most of what is restrictingthe shoot is the bloated shape of modern fly lines; they have up to 50%more area to move through the air than older fly lines (ask Olaf).Choose a thinner fly line and you will find casting, and shooting, mucheasier, and many times more pleasant.Best regards,Reed from SalarFly@aol.com Fri Aug 14 16:44:14 1998 Subject: Metcalf and Agate Strippers In a message dated 8/14/98 9:49:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,gwr@seanet.comwrites: Mark Metcalf, at the FFF conclave last week, pointed to the agatestrippingguideon my rod and told me, "I don't think they belong on cane rods." Makesmewonder. It might make you wonder. I didn't read this far down before I got excited about ordering some ofthe strippers for myself. Something's wrong here.....Mark is the biggest fan of small agate strippers on cane rods I have seen. HIs biggest gig against the rods I make is that I use the biggerceramic strippers. I think someone heard something wrong. Darryl from rclarke@eou.edu Fri Aug 14 17:09:29 1998 Subject: Re: Single foot snake guides My understanding is that a larger stripping guide helps in shooting theline. Makes sense to me, but my Heddon does just fine with it's tinystripping guide. Robert Clarke ----------From: Reed F. Curry Subject: Re: Single foot snake guidesDate: Friday, August 14, 1998 2:44 PM Let me give a blanket IMHO,The practice of using larger guides for better shooting doesn't makemuch sense. First, a circle within a larger circle will only share amaximum of one point, and this contact could only be significantlyreduced in occurence by tremendously enlarging the enclosing circle.Second, the larger the snake guides, the farther the line may deviate from the center of the rod; smaller, low-profile guides seem to workbetter on some rods (this may vary with the action, probably of littleconsequence with faster action rods). Third, most of what is restrictingthe shoot is the bloated shape of modern fly lines; they have up to 50%more area to move through the air than older fly lines (ask Olaf).Choose a thinner fly line and you will find casting, and shooting, mucheasier, and many times more pleasant.Best regards,Reed from KDLoup@aol.com Fri Aug 14 17:27:48 1998 Subject: Re: Epoxy glue I am using West System epoxy with the 207 special hardener to build astripbuilt canoe and haven't run into any problems. I find it has about 20minutesof usable life (if left in mixing cup) in the 95 degree Louisiana heat andhumidity. It hardens to touch in about 4-5 hours. I seem to remembersomeoneon the list (about a year ago?) that didn't like the results they obtainedusing the epoxy on a rod. Kurt Loup from channer@hubwest.com Fri Aug 14 17:33:59 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ABBF8992014E; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:35:43 MDT Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell At 01:51 PM 8/14/98 +0800, you wrote:On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: Goana- Havn't you guys ever watched The Crocodile Hunter on TV.Cheezz. Dave Please tell me you don't get Crocodile Hunter in the US?That's shown here at about 11pm on a Sunday night. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ Tony;I have Animal Planet channel on satellite and C.H. is on about 16 times aweek. It's one of my favorites, you never know what sort of hare- brainedthing Steve is going to do next, usually involving the 1st or 2nd deadliestsnake in the world or a crocodile the size of a 54 Cadillac. John from channer@hubwest.com Fri Aug 14 17:35:52 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AC2D8998014E; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:37:33 MDT Subject: Re: Single foot snake guides RAA03710 At 09:57 AM 8/14/98 -0400, you wrote:Content-Type: text/plain; X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable bywugate.wustl.edu idJAA16921 I await patiently each day the postal delivery which just might containmycopy of Wayne Cattanach's book from The Angler's Art or my copy of JackHowell's The Lovely Reed : An Enthusiast's Guide to Building Bamboo FlyRods from Amazon.com. It's been two weeks and the wait is killing me. I'mitchingto start my first rod. So in the meantime, here are some possiblyirreverentquestions:1. Has anyone out there tried the type of single- foot snake guides used byG.Loomis on their graphite rods on a bamboo rod? It would seem that thereduced weight would lighten up a bamboo rod. Also, you have half thewraps,half the foot grinding, etc.2. Speaking of guides, how about going slightly oversized? It seems toadd abit of shooting power on the graphite rods I built before being bitten bythe bamboo bug.Would a bamboo rod built with slightly oversized, single foot snakeguidesbethe equivalent of adding ketchup to your fine plate of crepes flambÄdwithGrand Marnier?Richard Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\ATTACH\Richard2.vcf" Yes, it wouldJohn from gwr@seanet.com Fri Aug 14 17:36:35 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23283 for; Fri, Subject: Re: Metcalf and Agate Strippers In a message dated 8/14/98 9:49:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,gwr@seanet.comwrites: Mark Metcalf, at the FFF conclave last week, pointed to the agatestrippingguideon my rod and told me, "I don't think they belong on cane rods." Makesmewonder. It might make you wonder. I didn't read this far down before I got excited about ordering some ofthe strippers for myself. Something's wrong here.....Mark is the biggest fan of small agate strippers on cane rods I haveseen. HIs biggest gig against the rods I make is that I use the biggerceramic strippers. I think someone heard something wrong. Darryl Daryll, Perhaps Mr. Metcalf was simply refering to the size of the agate on myrod - it was larger than those that Daryll Whitehead is offering and whileit does lend itself to casting ease, there is no doubt that it needn't havebeen as large in order for the rod to still function well with modern lines.The guide on the rod he saw is nearly twice the diameter of those beingdiscounted. Simply, and without apology, it's what I had at the time I wasbuilding the rod.I did not mishear him, though I may have misunderstood him. I recallthat he followed his comment that "they don't belong on cane rods" with anaside that "maybe that's just me." It comes down to personal taste and Ijudged our conversation to mean that his tasted leaned elsewhere. Myapologies if I have misconstrued his statement. from gwr@seanet.com Fri Aug 14 17:46:48 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24108 for; Fri, Subject: Sorry Darryl Sorry Darryl, I address you as Daryll. I've got Mr. Whitehead's nameengrained in my fingertips. Russ from sats@gte.net Fri Aug 14 18:32:56 1998 Subject: Arkansas Rod builder Barton? My cousin, Bob Byer of Rolla, Mo. Keeps asking If I know an Arkansas Rodbuilder named Barton (spelling is a guess) He read an article about thisbuilder, about a year or two ago. My cousin says he's from north Arkansassomaybe he'll be at the SRC? Is he on the list, Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from SalarFly@aol.com Fri Aug 14 19:02:47 1998 Subject: Re: Metcalf and Agate Strippers In a message dated 8/14/98 3:40:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,gwr@seanet.comwrites: Perhaps Mr. Metcalf was simply refering to the size of the agate on myrod - it was larger than those that Daryll Whitehead is offering andwhileit does lend itself to casting ease, there is no doubt that it needn't havebeen as large in order for the rod to still function well with modernlines.The guide on the rod he saw is nearly twice the diameter of those beingdiscounted. Yes, that would have been what Mark was objecting to. A stripper 16 to18 mm probably would have elicited that comment from him, no matter what it was made of. Darryl from SalarFly@aol.com Fri Aug 14 19:04:56 1998 Subject: Re: Sorry Darryl In a message dated 8/14/98 3:53:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,gwr@seanet.comwrites: Sorry Darryl, I address you as Daryll. I've got Mr. Whitehead's nameengrained in my fingertips. No problem. It has been misspelled so many times and in so manyways I don't even notice anymore. Darryl from gwr@seanet.com Fri Aug 14 19:08:00 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28937 for; Fri, Subject: Re: Metcalf and Agate Strippers - resolved Not to let this get out of hand before I duck off the web to go fishing fortwo weeks, I called Mark Metcalf. He wasn't wearing his glasses when he looked at my rod. He wascondemingwhat he thought was a Japanese made ceramic guide. I didn't mishear him,but neither did he mean to jab at a classicly styled agate guide, other thanto say that he still prefers smaller ones. Mark Metcalf does like agates &agatines, like most of the rest of us on the list. Thank goodness. Mark & I have shared our apologies and with that resolved, we can move on. This all made for an interesting afternoon. Russ from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Aug 14 19:20:10 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Chris, That doesn't sound like fun to me.the earthquake I meen.Goingfishing, now that sounds like a good time.So tell me, what are you gonna dowhenTHE BIG ONE hits and California breaks off and goes in the ocean? You canalways come here to NY and go fishing with me. Realy though, I guess wereluckyhere in NY.We have high taxes,but the weather isn't that bad.Noearthquakes,tornados, or anything like that. Dave from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Aug 14 19:22:24 1998 Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell You got that right. I could see myself grabing hold of a thousand poundCrock. He does it all the time.The guy IS a nut. Dave from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Aug 14 19:27:40 1998 Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell Tony, We get it here on the animal planet channel.It's on a couple times aweek. I wouldn't miss it. This guy, has got alot of guts.Grabing huge snakeswhile telling you it is the most venemous snake in the world.When I see asnakein my yard while mowing the lawn, I run and get my wife so she can take careofit. I don't do snakes or large spiders.YUK!!!! Dave ( The would be crockidile hunter) from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Aug 14 19:31:32 1998 Subject: Re: Single foot snake guides I would never put ketchup on my creps flambe, As I would never put singlefoot guides on a cane rod. Unless you'r making a Bamboo Fishing Pole!!! Dave from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 14 19:41:42 1998 Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:41:35 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Robert Clarke wrote: Tony, isn't he typical of most Australians? Robert Clarke(orry it isn't rod building-please be gentle) Nah, only us bronzed ANZAC types ;-) Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Aug 14 19:47:42 1998 Subject: Re: Agatine Strippers, was Re: Single foot snake guides As far as Tungston wire for snakes. I priced the wire to make a fewhundred snake guides for one of my customers.You wouldn't believe the price ofTungston wire. Spring temperd wire is around $5.00 a spool.Tungston wire isaround $300.00 a spool. Then you have to figer out a way to aneal the wire toflatten the feet.Good luck!!! Dave L. from flyfisher@cmix.com Fri Aug 14 19:47:47 1998 Subject: RE:Re: Hinges and Rollcasts RO>Chris, That doesn't sound like fun to me.the earthquake I meen.GoingRO>fishing, RO> now that sounds like a good time.So tell me, what are you gonna dowhenRO>THE RO> BIG ONE hits and California breaks off and goes in the ocean? YoucanRO>always RO> come here to NY and go fishing with me. Realy though, I guess wereluckyRO>here RO> in NY.We have high taxes,but the weather isn't that bad.NoRO>earthquakes,tornados, RO> or anything like that. RO> Dave Dave, Define "isn't that bad" - remember I've been to Elbridge, NY in thewinter! Don Burns PS - We're not going to break off - we're just slowly moving to Alaska from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Aug 14 19:48:53 1998 Subject: Re: No messages I'm reading you load and clear. Dave L. from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 14 19:51:48 1998 Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:51:41 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Epoxy glue On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 KDLoup@aol.com wrote: I am using West System epoxy with the 207 special hardener to build astripbuilt canoe and haven't run into any problems. I find it has about 20minutesof usable life (if left in mixing cup) in the 95 degree Louisiana heat andhumidity. It hardens to touch in about 4-5 hours. I seem to remembersomeoneon the list (about a year ago?) that didn't like the results they obtainedusing the epoxy on a rod. Kurt Loup I'm just going from memory here but I think the problem with West is that the bracket between softening and failing when heating to straighten is very narrow, possibly only 20-30 degrees. This caused delaminations during the straightening process. If you glue the rods straight right out of the binder this may not be of concern.Shell epon has a very wide range ans so you don't see the problem as much.It's this variation that causes some epoxys work for our purpose and not others. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 14 19:54:59 1998 Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:54:52 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, john channer wrote: Tony;I have Animal Planet channel on satellite and C.H. is on about 16 times aweek. It's one of my favorites, you never know what sort of hare- brainedthing Steve is going to do next, usually involving the 1st or 2nd deadliestsnake in the world or a crocodile the size of a 54 Cadillac. John You've got to remember these crocs are salt water crocks and will eat you so the guy is a nut.If you ever get over here to do some Barrumundi fishing all the warnings about not falling out of the boat and not putting hands in the water *are NOT* jokes. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from gwr@seanet.com Fri Aug 14 19:55:42 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00762 for; Fri, Subject: Re: Single foot snake guides Take it from someone in the "plastics" field - single foot "snakes" andsingle foot ceramic rings have their benefits, but don't waste your timebuilding them into rods that you'll offer for sale on spec. They do notsell well. When I started making plastics full-time, I thought I couldteach the market the benefits of the better single-foots (Fuji Cermets &Sics in titanium frames) as they do cast nicely and I truly think that theyimpart less wear on the line. from a maker's standpoint, they save timeandmoney on wraps. from a retailers standpoint, they offer more dollar valuemark-up than a set of wire snakes. But as I learned, the guys and gals whocan afford top end rods are mostly old enough to have fished their pappy'scane rod and even when they buy plastic, they want to buy some tradition.Fly rods that are reminiscent of spinning rods linger on the sales rack, nomatter how well they cast or how nice the rest of the aesthetics are. Nowthe few "spec" rods I build each year come standard with the traditionaldouble footed snakes. A strictly functional downside of single foots is that they ice up in coldweather after you strip in line for the first time. A regular nightmare. I have gotten around the problem of them pulling out by, as someone hasalready mentioned, instituting a lock wrap of several turns in front of theguide and then using epoxy rather than my usual varnish for finish. BeforeI did this though, I did have several guides just work loose and drop out ofthe wraps. At a show, I had a fellow tell me that while salmon fishing he managed toloop his line around the single-foot guides and then they were forciblytornout when a brute took the fly. While in AK last year and fishingexclusively with single foot ceramic guides on a variety of plastic rods Ihad no such problems, but its something to think about if you make a rodwith these guides. Unless you're out for sheer performance, give tradition a nod and go withsnakes. They've worked for a hundred years with good reason. Russ from stpete@netten.net Fri Aug 14 20:05:51 1998 cedar.netten.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17520 for Subject: Re: Arkansas Rod builder Barton? I've never heard of him, but I'll ask around as I am in Memphis and theFF Club here is very active with the Arkansas contingent. If I hearanything I'll let you know. Meanwhile, Terry, if you need specific directions to Mountain Home orQuarry Park, let me know where you are driving from and I'll give youdirections. I'm going up a day or two early. If you want to go up onthe 28th or 29th of September, I'll be glad to give you a lift. Rick CrenshawMemphis Terry L. Kirkpatrick wrote: My cousin, Bob Byer of Rolla, Mo. Keeps asking If I know an Arkansas Rodbuilder named Barton (spelling is a guess) He read an article about thisbuilder, about a year or two ago. My cousin says he's from northArkansas somaybe he'll be at the SRC? Is he on the list, Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from chris@artistree.com Fri Aug 14 20:22:51 1998 SAA20690 Subject: Re: Metcalf and Agate Strippers - resolved Sorry to continue this controversy but I have heard that the Agate guidesdostand a chance of cracking. Personally, I like the look and I have used Mr.Whitehead guides (actually works of art) without any problemswhatsoever.--Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from richjez@enteract.com Fri Aug 14 20:31:06 1998 0000 (147.126.253.18) Subject: Re: No messages If the guy is not getting any messages, what good does it for him to postwhat to do to correct the problem on the list? Just curious Rich *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro @ /||/______/_||_________________________________________|| /\ / \ > > from gwr@seanet.com Fri Aug 14 20:40:32 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01927 for; Fri, Subject: Re: Metcalf and Agate Strippers - resolved Chris, This sort of controversy is fine: Agate guides do stand a chance ofcracking. So do agatines. So do ceramics. The only way around, orpartially around, cracked rings is to first band them with a rubber/plasticbezel, then insert them into the ring frames. Fuji and others do this withsome of the more fragile ceramics used on boat rods. I've been usingagatesalmost exclusively on my plastic rods for a year now and have had nobreaksexcept when on got yanked out of hand while polishing it and was crackedonthe shop floor. Having watched Daryll assemble guides, I can tell you thatagates do break in assembly more often than agatines, but both break at aneglibable rate relative to overall production if the craftsman is skilled.If you are careful not to whack your rod on a tree while casting, youragaterings aren't going to break. Daryll doesn't send out cracked rings andalthough we package them well, we insist on insuring the guides as aprecaution against rough handling in the post. Like anything worthpossessing, they must be given reasonable care and, given that, will servetheir purpose well. Russ -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Metcalf and Agate Strippers - resolved Sorry to continue this controversy but I have heard that the Agate guidesdostand a chance of cracking. Personally, I like the look and I have usedMr.Whitehead guides (actually works of art) without any problemswhatsoever.--Best Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Aug 14 22:02:06 1998 Subject: Re: Hinges and Rollcasts Don, come to think of it,the winters can be quite nasty here.But,not asbadas when I was young.I remember the snow banks were so high,they used touse a huge snow blower instead of a plow. So they could get the new snow upover the banks.I'm glad they aren't THAT bad anymore. Or was it that I wasjustso small,that they LOOKED THAT BIG.DUNNO.I'm too old to remember backthat far. P.S. Give me your new address when you get to Alaska. Dave from timklein@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 14 22:31:56 1998 (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP +0000 Subject: Re: Source for Conover Woodcraft scraper The Conover scraper is actually no longer available. The company thatbought the Conover tool line dropped the hand tools and sells primarilywood lathes now. A friend of mine has both the Conover and the scraper that Jon sells. Heprefers the Conover but told me that the other one works quite well, andhewouldn't hesitate to recommend it. I've priced these things a number of places, and Jon's pricing is the bestI've found (as is the pricing on just about everything he carries). Russell, check out Munro Tools on the Rodmakers page-Jon sells themthereand the price looks pretty good. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu I have seen a couple of references (Wayne and Jack Howell) to thelittlescraper by Conover Woodcraft.Where can it be purchased? TIA, Russell LavigneSt. Albans, Vt. from channer@hubwest.com Fri Aug 14 22:39:29 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A3588B4B014E; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:41:12 MDT Subject: Re: Re; Tasmanian nature trail to hell At 08:54 AM 8/15/98 +0800, you wrote:On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, john channer wrote: Tony;I have Animal Planet channel on satellite and C.H. is on about 16 times aweek. It's one of my favorites, you never know what sort of hare- brainedthing Steve is going to do next, usually involving the 1st or 2nddeadliestsnake in the world or a crocodile the size of a 54 Cadillac. John You've got to remember these crocs are salt water crocks and will eatyou so the guy is a nut.If you ever get over here to do some Barrumundi fishing all the warnings about not falling out of the boat and not putting hands in the water *are NOT* jokes. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ Tony;You have to feel sorry for his wife, she would like to be a sensible girl,but he keeps dragginf her off into the bush to chase God knows what. Ihopeshe keeps the premiums paid up.I would love to go to Australia to go barramundi fishing, as a matter offact, it's one of the very first things I'm going to do when I win thelottery. See you then.John from flyfisher@cmix.com Fri Aug 14 23:08:06 1998