from ragnarig@integrityol.com Tue Sep 1 01:58:37 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id AD215FB006A; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 00:07:13 PDT Subject: Re: 20/20 club on my first bamboo rod Dear Brian Glad to hear your trip went well and that you're so happy with rod 1'sperformance! No better feeling in the world, is there? No, there isn't-not one that I can readily recall anyway... Would you mind sharing the taper for that Para-14 with us? I've got notesof what may be a p-14 that I took many years ago but I'm not sure if that'sreally what it is or not. There are large sections of the late sixties andearly seventies about which I have unresolved questions. Thanks,Davy from anglport@con2.com Tue Sep 1 07:07:52 1998 Subject: Re: Test John,Hmmmm, never thought of that treatment. I just figured I'd turn it againonan understream stone. You may have something there. As to the source, itwaswhat we in NYC call a "Giuliani crater". Our son had just taken us out todinner for my wife's birthday and we were crossing the street back to ourcars when I thought I'd try to touch that bone that sticks out of your ankleto the pavement while still standing. I thought I'd broken my leg in HALF!Anyway, it's much better already , so I may get to fish this week after all.Thanks for the good wishes,Art Sorry to hear about the ankle, I hope you at least did it while outfishing, instead of tripping over the dog or going down the stairs. I hearcold water(such as that found in productive trout streams) is very goodfortaking down the swelling.Take careJohn from hhholland@erols.com Tue Sep 1 07:31:26 1998 Subject: Re: Stanley Plane from William Alden boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDD581.0DA11580" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDD581.0DA11580 FYI, everybody, my copy of the catalog has the phone # as: =1-800-249- 8665 (1-800-249 TOOL for the numerically challenged, which=often includes me, even though I hate alphabetic phone nos.) Thank you, =Tim for the item #, etc........ Hank H.-----Original Message-----From: Tim Thorstad Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 1:15 AMSubject: Stanley Plane from William Alden I ordered a 9 1/2 from William Alden ( http://www.williamalden.com )=today without the benefit of a catalog. The person I talked to didn't = Well, let me just say that if you want to order one the item number =is #629196. The phone number is 1-800-249-9665 (different from earlier posting),= Tim ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDD581.0DA11580 FYI, = the catalog has the phone # as: 1-800-249-8665 (1-800-249 TOOL for numerically challenged, which often includes me, even though I hate = H. -----Original = Rodmakers <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Tuesday, September 01, 1998 1:15 AMSubject: Stanley = from William AldenI ordered a 9 1/2 from William =Alden ( http://www.williamalden.com = much about planes and . . . Well, let me just say that if you = one the item number is #629196. The phone number is 1-800-249-9665 = from earlier posting), and cost with shipping from Mass. to Arizona = Tim ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDD581.0DA11580-- from ljrp@penn.com Tue Sep 1 08:14:45 1998 Subject: Re: anyone in my neck of the woods boundary="------------820DEC0672DBB239A6EB1DA6" --------------820DEC0672DBB239A6EB1DA6 Hello I'm from central Pa not close but closer than most guys from"waaaay"out west, I fish the Little Juniata and Spruce Creek flyfisher@cmix.com wrote: RO>Was just wondering if any of the people are in my area. My localRO>rivers are the Dearfield and Hoosac in Massachusetts. Great riversforRO>Bamboo. Let me know maybe we can get together and fish RO>Larry RussettRO>39 East Rd RR-1RO>Adams, MA 01220RO>413 743 5034RO>rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Larry, I've got a friend in NYC that's a bamboo rod collector - loves to fishthe Housatonic. Due to ISP's email system I can't read email addresses from a list- serv post, so email me off list for his email address. Don BurnsFlyfisher@cmix.com --------------820DEC0672DBB239A6EB1DA6 Hello I'm from central Pa not close but closer than most guys from"waaaay" flyfisher@cmix.com wrote:RO>Was just wondering if any of the people areinmy area. My local rivers for RO>Larry RussettRO>39 East Rd RR-1 RO>413 743 5034RO>rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Larry, I've got a friend in NYC that's a bamboo rod collector - loves to fishthe Housatonic. Due to ISP's email system I can't read email addresses from a list- serv post, so email me off list for his email address. Don BurnsFlyfisher@cmix.com --------------820DEC0672DBB239A6EB1DA6-- from ljrp@penn.com Tue Sep 1 08:29:31 1998 Subject: Re: Quiet day on the listserv "OLD" Cork I have a mess of neat collectable fly rods, some of the cork on the olderrodsis vastly superior to most cork we have available today, particularlysome ofthe higher grade Heddons (The cork is beautiful on those rods) Just athought and a little Yakking form Central Pa, anyone else have thoughts onthis?? Anyone have a male ferrule for a 9 ft Granger Favorite (TroutWeight)?? Tim Klein wrote: Richard, I found a drill press attachment called a "verti-lathe" through theWoodworkers Store (I know they have a web site, but I don't have ithandy). I've used it for a couple of grips I made for plastic rods, and it seems towork pretty well. The nicest feature is a solid rod that attaches parallelto the work piece that acts as a tool rest. For some reason, I alwayshavea hard time keeping my sanding board straight when working in theperpendicular fashion that a drill press requires. Tim ----------From: Robert Clarke Subject: Re: Quiet day on the listservDate: Monday, August 31, 1998 6:56 PM Richard, a lot of folks do either purchase their grips, or make them offof the rod, then ream and glue to it. I am trying to develop a way touse the drill press I have to turn handle on. There was some discussionon the list a few weeks ago about that, and I have not had any time towork on it from my end. There are several places to get premadehandlesand I have bought from both REC and Anglers workshop and think botharejust fine. Let us know how it goes if you start turning your own. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDD51C.E45C59A0Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A quiet day on the listserv? Heck I can do something about that. Ihaveamillion questions but always fear using up bandwidth. So here'ssomething tohelp break the silence: Both Howell and Cattanach's book suggest shaping the cork grip rightontheblank. Couldn't I avoid any danger to the blank by making the gripseparately (or in fact buying it if I haven't found a cheap lathe yet),enlarging the hole with a round file and then glueing and sliding thegriponto the blank? Many thanks Richard richard.nantel@videotron.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDD51C.E45C59A0Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable face=3DArial = quiet day on the listserv? Heck I can do something about that. I have a= questions but always fear using up bandwidth. So here's something to= the silence:face=3DArial = face=3DArial = Howell and Cattanach's book suggest shaping the cork grip right onthe= Couldn't I avoid any danger to the blank by making the grip separately= fact buying it if I haven't found a cheap lathe yet), enlarging thehole = face=3DArial = face=3DArial = thanksface=3DArial = face=3DArial = size=3D2>Richardface=3DArial = face=3DArial =size=3D2> > > ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDD51C.E45C59A0-- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Tue Sep 1 08:52:13 1998 Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:51:14 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: 20/20 club on my first bamboo rod On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, creek wrote: I used a bamboo rod I made last winter (the first rod I ever built),a PHY Para 14 taper. I can cast nearly the entire line, and broke-offmore fish at the knots than just breaking tippets. The butt section andboth tips now have some serious sets in them (compound in one tip) thatI need to iron out some evening.If you're just starting rod building, believe it when the old-timerstell you that you can build a better rod than you can buy if you keepworking at it a few hours at a time. And you'll have more fun fishingthan you ever thought possible! Brian Congratulations Brian, a guy called Mike Roberts just finished his first rod and we cast it 2 days back. The season opened Today so my bet is Mike will be saying the same thing after this weekend. I haven't forgotten the reel seat and ferrules, just been busy of late. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from mevans@acxiom.com Tue Sep 1 09:10:41 1998 Exchange ServerInternet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) Sep 199809:14:32 -0500 Subject: Cattanach's Disk 4.0.996.62 I came across an excellent used copy of Wayne Cattanach's Handcrafting Bamboo Fly Rods yesterday. However, it lacked the disk. Would an owner of the book please let me know if the disk contains software of interest other than the downloadable copy of Hexarod from Jerry's web page? If so, I appreciate any assistance is obtaining copies of the files - will be happy to pay for postage if they can't be emailed. Thanks,Mark Evans from mevans@acxiom.com Tue Sep 1 10:26:13 1998 Exchange ServerInternet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) Sep 199810:30:05 -0500 Subject: FW: Cattanach's Disk 4.0.996.62 I have received a copy of the missing file off list. P.S. My understanding is that this was all legal as I bought the book from a dealer. Thanks,Mark ---------- Subject: Cattanach's Disk I came across an excellent used copy of Wayne Cattanach's Handcrafting Bamboo Fly Rods yesterday. However, it lacked the disk.Would an owner of the book please let me know if the disk contains software of interest other than the downloadable copy of Hexarod from Jerry's web page? If so, I appreciate any assistance is obtaining copies of the files - will be happy to pay for postage if they can't be emailed.Thanks,Mark Evans from tripp@olywa.net Tue Sep 1 10:58:55 1998 (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-36370U5000L500S0)with ESMTP id AAA4888 for ;Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:59:40 -0700 Subject: Re: practice I haven't tried this. I got some "B-grade" culms from Andy Royer for sixbucks apiece. I figured that I should practice on the same material. Mark Tripp ----------From: bob maulucci Subject: practiceDate: Monday, August 31, 1998 1:10 PM Has anyone ever practiced splitting, planing, etc.. using the bamboo fromone of those patio lamps? Is it worth the effort. THANKS,Bob from bobbo@buffnet.net Tue Sep 1 11:43:29 1998 bybuffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12733 for via smap(V2.0) Subject: Re: practice Mark,Thanks. Maybe I'll call Andy. I have found that it is not Tikki lamp seasonhere anyway. I have been practicing with softwood a little just to get afeel for how to establish the initial angles and such. Maybe I'll makekeychains out of the sections when done. If there is anyone in the Buffalo, NY area who wants to sell me some Bgradecane....hint, hint. I will pay and be forever gratefull.All the best,Bob. At 08:51 AM 9/1/98 -0700, you wrote:I haven't tried this. I got some "B- grade" culms from Andy Royer for sixbucks apiece. I figured that I should practice on the same material. Mark Tripp ----------From: bob maulucci Subject: practiceDate: Monday, August 31, 1998 1:10 PM Has anyone ever practiced splitting, planing, etc.. using the bamboofromone of those patio lamps? Is it worth the effort. THANKS,Bob -----------------------------Bob Maulucci218 Wallace Ave.Buffalo, New York 14216716-836-8297 http://www.buffnet.net/~bobbo/welcome.htm "Establish a better reputation for honesty in your home community; thenyouwont have to bring in dead fish to prove that your not a liar." - KennethReid from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Tue Sep 1 12:21:42 1998 (modemcable224.173.mmtl.videotron.net NAA02023 for Subject: RE: Quiet day on the listserv Hi Ted. I know LG Custom tackle well. I've built two graphite rods (beforebeing bitten by the bamboo bug) using their components. I agree that theyoffer excellent prices and service. We need to convince them to startstocking accessories related to bamboo rod building. Except for the grips,their catalog is pretty void of that. rodbuilding workshop. I'm planning a trip to Toronto for October. Anythingplanned for then? Richard -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Quiet day on the listserv Richard, you can get ready-made cook grips from L. G. Custom Tackle inMount Hope, Ont. They cost less than the equivalent number of 1/2'' corksand can be fitted with a rat-tail file to fit your rod blank. ---------- Subject: Quiet day on the listserv A quiet day on the listserv? Heck I can do something about that. I have amillion questions but always fear using up bandwidth. So here's somethingtohelp break the silence: Both Howell and Cattanach's book suggest shaping the cork grip right ontheblank. Couldn't I avoid any danger to the blank by making the gripseparately (or in fact buying it if I haven't found a cheap lathe yet),enlarging the hole with a round file and then glueing and sliding the griponto the blank? Many thanks Richard richard.nantel@videotron.ca from flyfisher@cmix.com Tue Sep 1 13:04:41 1998 Subject: Non rodmaking or new computer? - was quiet day All, Sorry for the non-rodmaking post. But I'm in need of a new notebookcomputer, the old one has a full HD and is slow (486/66) by today'sstd's. I've looked at a couple of Pentium 233'swith 32 meg ram,active-matrix LCD's, 2.1 gig HD's, 20X CD's and are in my price range($1,300) I use ACT! for customer tracking and no CAD work etc. Any reason these won't be okay for a couple of years of use? Don Burns from eestlow@srminc.com Tue Sep 1 13:15:24 1998 86256672.0064E3C6 ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:21:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Non rodmaking or new computer? - was quiet day Just buy your software now. Software produced in the coming months andyears is sure to be memory hogging and processor crippling. Otherwise,sounds like a good deal.-Ed Estlow flyfisher@cmix.com on 09/01/98 12:03:34 PM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Non rodmaking or new computer? - was quiet day All, Sorry for the non-rodmaking post. But I'm in need of a new notebookcomputer, the old one has a full HD and is slow (486/66) by today'sstd's. I've looked at a couple of Pentium 233'swith 32 meg ram,active-matrix LCD's, 2.1 gig HD's, 20X CD's and are in my price range($1,300) I use ACT! for customer tracking and no CAD work etc. Any reason these won't be okay for a couple of years of use? Don Burns from tom@cet-inc.com Tue Sep 1 13:33:37 1998 0000 Subject: Re: practice Bob,If your attending the Gathering in the Catskills next week, I'd be happy tobring you some ends (3' long) of culms to practice with.Tom-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: practice Mark,Thanks. Maybe I'll call Andy. I have found that it is not Tikki lamp seasonhere anyway. I have been practicing with softwood a little just to get afeel for how to establish the initial angles and such. Maybe I'll makekeychains out of the sections when done.If there is anyone in the Buffalo, NY area who wants to sell me some Bgradecane....hint, hint. I will pay and be forever gratefull.All the best,Bob. At 08:51 AM 9/1/98 -0700, you wrote:I haven't tried this. I got some "B- grade" culms from Andy Royer for sixbucks apiece. I figured that I should practice on the same material. Mark Tripp ----------From: bob maulucci Subject: practiceDate: Monday, August 31, 1998 1:10 PM Has anyone ever practiced splitting, planing, etc.. using the bamboofromone of those patio lamps? Is it worth the effort.THANKS,Bob -----------------------------Bob Maulucci218 Wallace Ave.Buffalo, New York 14216716-836-8297 http://www.buffnet.net/~bobbo/welcome.htm "Establish a better reputation for honesty in your home community; thenyouwont have to bring in dead fish to prove that your not a liar." - KennethReid from bobbo@buffnet.net Tue Sep 1 13:51:42 1998 bybuffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24367 for via smap(V2.0) Subject: Re: practice Tom,Thanks a lot for the kind offer. Unfortunately, as a teacher fastapproaching back to work, I cannot attend the Gathering. SWMBO is veryhappy about this, however. My having summers off to fish really burns herup. Bob At 02:35 PM 9/1/98 -0400, you wrote:Bob,If your attending the Gathering in the Catskills next week, I'd be happy tobring you some ends (3' long) of culms to practice with.Tom from bobbo@buffnet.net Tue Sep 1 14:09:20 1998 bybuffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25734 for via smap(V2.0) Subject: news I was shocked to read this at the Flyfisherman Magazine (VFS) site. Ihope I am not rehashing bad news. "Master bamboo rod builder Tom Maxwell died in his sleep Sunday , August23,1998. Tom, a cofounder of Thomas and Thomas and former manager of theH.L.Leonard Rod Co. and most recently with the EveningHatch of Whitehaven,PA,was universally regarded as one of America's foremost rod builders of alltimes. A memorial service will be held at the Blakeslee Club on TobyhannaCreek at 6:30 pm Saturday August 29. Participants will be leaving fromtheEveningHatch on Rt 940 Whitehave, Pa." Bob from anglport@con2.com Tue Sep 1 14:31:15 1998 Subject: RE: Quiet day on the listserv (LG Custom) Okay guys, anybody care to offer up the address of LG Custom Tackle for usSowf-ob-da-bawdah fellows? I tried to locate them through Len Gorney'slinksbut they aren't listed. If any of you guys don't have Len's site bookmarkeddon't let this opportunity pass: http://www.kings.edu/~lsgorney/fishing.htm#US I would appreciate it though if someone would tell the rest of us how togeta catalog from such a seemingly fine purveyor.Thanks,Art At 01:06 PM 9/1/98 -0400, you wrote:Hi Ted. I know LG Custom tackle well. I've built two graphite rods (beforebeing bitten by the bamboo bug) using their components. I agree that theyoffer excellent prices and service. We need to convince them to startstocking accessories related to bamboo rod building. Except for the grips,their catalog is pretty void of that. rodbuilding workshop. I'm planning a trip to Toronto for October. Anythingplanned for then? Richard -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Quiet day on the listserv Richard, you can get ready-made cook grips from L. G. Custom Tackle inMount Hope, Ont. They cost less than the equivalent number of 1/2''corksand can be fitted with a rat-tail file to fit your rod blank. ----------From: Richard Nantel Subject: Quiet day on the listservDate: Monday, August 31, 1998 8:21 PM A quiet day on the listserv? Heck I can do something about that. I have amillion questions but always fear using up bandwidth. So here'ssomethingtohelp break the silence: Both Howell and Cattanach's book suggest shaping the cork grip right ontheblank. Couldn't I avoid any danger to the blank by making the gripseparately (or in fact buying it if I haven't found a cheap lathe yet),enlarging the hole with a round file and then glueing and sliding the griponto the blank? Many thanks Richard richard.nantel@videotron.ca from Grhghlndr@aol.com Tue Sep 1 14:43:42 1998 Subject: Re: news sad news but we all go that way someday. I am sure that he will be missedbyall. a tip of the hat to him and may all the bamboo in heaven have straightnodes and perfect temper.Bret from RVenneri@aol.com Tue Sep 1 15:04:07 1998 Subject: Re: practice Tom,I will be attending the gathering and would be interested in some 3'piecesto practice on.I will also be bringing some reel seats for any one interested in taking alook. Best Regards,Bob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882 from harry37@epix.net Tue Sep 1 15:04:35 1998 SMTP idQAA01045 Subject: Re: news bob maulucci wrote: I was shocked to read this at the Flyfisherman Magazine (VFS) site. Ihope I am not rehashing bad news. "Master bamboo rod builder Tom Maxwell died in his sleep Sunday ,August 23,1998. Tom, a cofounder of Thomas and Thomas and former manager of theH.L.Leonard Rod Co. and most recently with the EveningHatch of Whitehaven,PA,was universally regarded as one of America's foremost rod builders ofalltimes. A memorial service will be held at the Blakeslee Club onTobyhannaCreek at 6:30 pm Saturday August 29. Participants will be leaving fromtheEveningHatch on Rt 940 Whitehave, Pa." Bob Sorry to see him go--He was a nice man Greg from tom@cet-inc.com Tue Sep 1 16:03:06 1998 0000 Subject: Re: practice Bob,I'll bring some, see you there.Tom-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: practice Tom,I will be attending the gathering and would be interested in some 3'piecesto practice on.I will also be bringing some reel seats for any one interested in taking alook. Best Regards,Bob VVenneri's Custom Components21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882 from richard.nantel@videotron.ca Tue Sep 1 16:36:37 1998 (modemcable224.173.mmtl.videotron.net RAA16257 for Subject: RE: Quiet day on the listserv (LG Custom) Hi Art. L.G. Custom Tackle can be reached at: (905) 679-6143fax: (905) 679-6094 Their address is R.R.2Mount Hope, OntarioL0R 1W0 They sell primarily graphite rodmaking components including G. Loomisblanks. Richard -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Quiet day on the listserv (LG Custom) Okay guys, anybody care to offer up the address of LG Custom Tackle for usSowf-ob-da-bawdah fellows? I tried to locate them through Len Gorney'slinksbut they aren't listed. If any of you guys don't have Len's site bookmarkeddon't let this opportunity pass: http://www.kings.edu/~lsgorney/fishing.htm#US I would appreciate it though if someone would tell the rest of us how togeta catalog from such a seemingly fine purveyor.Thanks,Art At 01:06 PM 9/1/98 -0400, you wrote:Hi Ted. I know LG Custom tackle well. I've built two graphite rods (beforebeing bitten by the bamboo bug) using their components. I agree that theyoffer excellent prices and service. We need to convince them to startstocking accessories related to bamboo rod building. Except for the grips,their catalog is pretty void of that. rodbuilding workshop. I'm planning a trip to Toronto for October. Anythingplanned for then? Richard -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Quiet day on the listserv Richard, you can get ready-made cook grips from L. G. Custom Tackle inMount Hope, Ont. They cost less than the equivalent number of 1/2''corksand can be fitted with a rat-tail file to fit your rod blank. ----------From: Richard Nantel Subject: Quiet day on the listservDate: Monday, August 31, 1998 8:21 PM A quiet day on the listserv? Heck I can do something about that. I have amillion questions but always fear using up bandwidth. So here'ssomethingtohelp break the silence: Both Howell and Cattanach's book suggest shaping the cork grip right ontheblank. Couldn't I avoid any danger to the blank by making the gripseparately (or in fact buying it if I haven't found a cheap lathe yet),enlarging the hole with a round file and then glueing and sliding the griponto the blank? Many thanks Richard richard.nantel@videotron.ca from rcurry@top.monad.net Tue Sep 1 17:08:51 1998 Subject: Re: Quiet day on the listserv Art Port wrote: I don't know about your patience, but I found it maddening to file thatamount out of the center and keeping it TAPERED the whole while. IArt and Richard,The best "tapered reamer" that I have found for this task works justfine; its an old cane blank with coarse rock-turning grit glued on it. Istart with the mid-section and work up to the butt, if necessary. Thegrit may be purchased in most hobby stores.Reaming this way takes only a few minutes and gives excellentresults.Best regards,Reed from bobbo@buffnet.net Tue Sep 1 17:26:14 1998 bybuffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14007 for via smap(V2.0) Subject: Re: Quiet day on the listserv Art,Reed makes a good point. This worked great for me on some repairs I havedone.Also, when making rods you might consider using a standard straight griptaper like Dickerson used. Most of his rods measure exactly the sameunderthe grip and reelseat. (or so I've read. I can't obviously afford onemyself.) I could look up the measurement for you, but either way, astraightsection will eliminate the need for a tapered reem job. I have messed upquite a few of these. It's a real pain.Best of luck,Bob At 06:11 PM 9/1/98 -0400, you wrote:Art Port wrote: I don't know about your patience, but I found it maddening to file thatamount out of the center and keeping it TAPERED the whole while. IArt and Richard,The best "tapered reamer" that I have found for this task works justfine; its an old cane blank with coarse rock-turning grit glued on it. Istart with the mid-section and work up to the butt, if necessary. Thegrit may be purchased in most hobby stores.Reaming this way takes only a few minutes and gives excellentresults.Best regards,Reed from flyfisher@cmix.com Tue Sep 1 18:03:37 1998 Subject: Re:RE: Non rodmaking or new computer? RO>Just buy your software now. Software produced in the coming monthsandRO>years is sure to be memory hogging and processor crippling. Otherwise,RO>sounds like a good deal.RO>-Ed Estlow Ed, My software is just fine. I don't think I'll need new software soon. Thecomputer is dying - broken clamshell hinge, bad battery and a full HD. Thx Don PS - I bought the computer at lunch time. from k5vkq@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 1 18:29:27 1998 18:28:52 ix16.ix.netcom.comvia smap (V1.3) Subject: Re: practice Has anyone ever practiced splitting, planing, etc.. using the bamboo fromone of those patio lamps? Is it worth the effort. If you have access to any White Oak, you have plenty of medium to practiceon. A three or four foot section of small (3" or 3" diameter), straighttrunk from a small sappling will do fine. Quarter the billet and split thewhite wood from the dark. Now using a froe, split the quarters into eightsand these into sixteenths, etc. Continue until you have strips about 1/30inch thick. When they get to thin for the froe, use a knife. If you madeit this far, use the basket splits to make a creel (or basket). Theprinciples are identical to splitting bamboo. My family has been makingbaskets this way for many generations. Regards,Onisk5vkq@ix.netcom.com from jcole10@juno.com Tue Sep 1 19:37:48 1998 20:34:02 EDT Subject: Re: Quiet day on the listserv ReedI cut pieces of old plastic rods, put some epoxy glue on it and roll thepieces in sand that is used for sandblasting. You can get a handful ofthis sand at any monument or grave marker supplier. Sandblasting sand hasvary sharp edges.John Cole On Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:11:58 -0400 "Reed F. Curry" writes:Art Port wrote: I don't know about your patience, but I found it maddening to file thatamount out of the center and keeping it TAPERED the whole while. IArt and Richard,The best "tapered reamer" that I have found for this task works justfine; its an old cane blank with coarse rock-turning grit glued on it. Istart with the mid-section and work up to the butt, if necessary. Thegrit may be purchased in most hobby stores.Reaming this way takes only a few minutes and gives excellent results.Best regards,Reed from gc.williams@MCIONE.com Tue Sep 1 19:41:19 1998 with ESMTP id forrodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:40:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Southbend Reel Seat Looking for a reel seat for a 9' Southbend. The rod has no model number,just says "59-9" above the grip. Thanks. Gary from ljrp@penn.com Tue Sep 1 19:49:32 1998 Subject: Re: Southbend Reel Seat Will look, probably have one Cheers Dick where are you?? GGWilliams wrote: Looking for a reel seat for a 9' Southbend. The rod has no model number,just says "59-9" above the grip. Thanks. Gary from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Tue Sep 1 19:52:58 1998 Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:52:51 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Non rodmaking or new computer? - was quiet day On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 flyfisher@cmix.com wrote: All, Sorry for the non-rodmaking post. But I'm in need of a new notebookcomputer, the old one has a full HD and is slow (486/66) by today'sstd's. I've looked at a couple of Pentium 233'swith 32 meg ram,active-matrix LCD's, 2.1 gig HD's, 20X CD's and are in my price range($1,300) I use ACT! for customer tracking and no CAD work etc. Any reason these won't be okay for a couple of years of use? Don Burns Don,you might look at the Mitac notebook. Apart from a reasonably slow boot up it's a good machine. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Tue Sep 1 19:54:33 1998 Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:54:26 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: Non rodmaking or new computer? - was quiet day On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Ed Estlow wrote: Forgot to mention before, maybe increase the HDD up from the measly 2.1gig. Tony Just buy your software now. Software produced in the coming monthsandyears is sure to be memory hogging and processor crippling. Otherwise,sounds like a good deal.-Ed Estlow flyfisher@cmix.com on 09/01/98 12:03:34 PM Please respond to rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu cc: (bcc: Ed Estlow/SRM/US)Subject: Non rodmaking or new computer? - was quiet day All, Sorry for the non-rodmaking post. But I'm in need of a new notebookcomputer, the old one has a full HD and is slow (486/66) by today'sstd's. I've looked at a couple of Pentium 233'swith 32 meg ram,active-matrix LCD's, 2.1 gig HD's, 20X CD's and are in my price range($1,300) I use ACT! for customer tracking and no CAD work etc. Any reason these won't be okay for a couple of years of use? Don Burns /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from WayneCatt@aol.com Tue Sep 1 20:31:14 1998 Subject: Re: Cattanach's Disk Mark -The Hex 96C version is at Jerry's sight the one that came with the bookoriginally was an older version. Neither will print graphs - If you havebeenfollowing the list I am beta testing a new Windows version that will printgraphs - to download the needed zipped disks check ou the followinglocations. members.aol.com/hexrod/dsk1.zipmembers.aol.com/planecane1/dsk2.zipmembers.aol.com/rodmaker01/dsk3.zipmembers.aol.com/rodmaker01/dsk4.zip( a collection of tapers that willworkwith either version) There are a few known bugs - I haven't programmed in the guide cal'syet- and the ferrule weights - but it can design a rod and it will print graphs-all on the same gradient scale so that different stress curves can beoverlayed. Eventually there will be CD's available - I have a writer in thebox as I type - but time is a problem in finishing the program - I hope tohave it polished in a month or so. As far as the distribution of Hexrod - it was always intended to be ashareware - program - a while back I even posted the code listing for thedosversion for those wanting to add personal touches. What the program won't do is stretch stress curves or do multi rods -thatis where I feel human intervention is required. And it will never be pretty-A sort of Jack Pine type. Wayne from lblan@provide.net Tue Sep 1 21:29:39 1998 Subject: RE: Cork reamers Just a word of caution to anyone using grit covered reamers on theirhandles. Once upon a time, I had a piece of grit come off a reamer, andembed itself in the cork. You won't believe what a scratch it leaves whenyou slide it over the blank. from thorstad@primenet.com Tue Sep 1 22:36:35 1998 be "lizard"via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd010331; Tue Sep 1 20:36:251998 Subject: Stanley/Bailey No. 4 Smooth Plane boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_00000038.01BDD5E7" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_00000038.01BDD5E7 List, While scrounging through flea markets, thrift stores, and pawn shops I =found what looked to be an older Stanley/Bailey #4 Smooth Plane in one =of the pawn shops. I'm stone ignorant on such things. Is it trash or = Tim thorstad@primenet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0000_00000038.01BDD5E7Content-Type:text/html; List, While scrounging = markets, thrift stores, and pawn shops I found what looked to be an = = Tim thorstad@primenet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0000_00000038.01BDD5E7-- from flyfisher@cmix.com Tue Sep 1 22:39:03 1998 Subject: Re:RE:RE: Non rodmaking RO>On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Ed Estlow wrote: RO>Forgot to mention before, maybe increase the HDD up from the measly2.1 gig. RO>Tony Tony, Too late to shop, I bought the 233 MHz AMS Tech notebook today. Comparedto my old machine, it screams. I use ACT! (customer tracking) and wordprocessing for my job - not much need for speed. I hear you regarding upgrading HD, but have you priced 2.5" HD's lately?(remember it's a notebook) Not as cheap as the 3.5" drives. I'll waituntil a 15 gig 2.5" HD is $200 in ~2002? I also need to buy a new machine for my wife too and she has TOLD methat she wants it all - so 400MHz Pentium II with 64 meg SD-RAM (ormore), 8 gig HD, 8 meg ram TV tuner, 3D graphic etc etc video card. Then I guess I'll need to sell myself a 20 ppm 1200 dpi laser printertoo. (that's part of my product line) Unless she wants a color laser. (ouch!) There goes a mint short Leonardrod (or two) from Len Codella. Don B. from saweiss@flash.net Tue Sep 1 22:41:22 1998 Subject: Re: Stanley 9 1/4 plane -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Stanley 9 1/4 plane Thanks Rick,Look me up, I will be there on Thursday, will be tying at the ConclaveFridayand Saturday.I was told irons in these old planes hold up very well if sharpenedcorrectly, hope to get by for a while before getting some Hock irons.Tony Rick Crenshaw wrote: Tony, The 9-1/4 does not have an adjustable mouth. Take a look athttp://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan0.htmThere you will find info on most if not all Stanley planes. Hope to see you in Arkansas, Rick Crenshaw Tony Spezio wrote: I picked up a Stanley 9 1/4 plane at a flea market a few weeks ago.Cananyone give me some info on it.Thanks in advance,Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Tony,the 9 1/4 is just like the 9 1/2 but without adjustable mouth. Youprobablycan use it very well for rough planingSteve Weiss from saweiss@flash.net Tue Sep 1 23:18:03 1998 Subject: Re: Stanley/Bailey No. 4 Smooth Plane boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CB_01BDD5F6.80789860" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01BDD5F6.80789860 -----Original Message-----From: Tim Thorstad Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 9:40 PMSubject: Stanley/Bailey No. 4 Smooth Plane List, While scrounging through flea markets, thrift stores, and pawn shops =I found what looked to be an older Stanley/Bailey #4 Smooth Plane in one=of the pawn shops. I'm stone ignorant on such things. Is it trash or = Tim thorstad@primenet.comTim,A very common bench plane suitable for general woodworking but not =rodmaking.Nice to have one handy sometimes. You can probably get it for =$20-25 if you make them an offer. Make sure there are no cracks in the =sole and all parts are present.I have two and use them for fitting doors and planing things to =proper dimension.Steve Weiss ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01BDD5F6.80789860 -----Original = Rodmakers <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= Tuesday, September 01, 1998 9:40 PMSubject: = No. 4 Smooth PlaneList, While scrounging= markets, thrift stores, and pawn shops I found what looked to be an = Tim thorstad@primenet.comTim,A very commonbench = suitable for general woodworking but not rodmaking.Nice to have one = = present.I have two and use them for fitting doors and = things to proper dimension.Steve =Weiss ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01BDD5F6.80789860-- from anglport@con2.com Wed Sep 2 08:55:52 1998 Subject: Re: Quiet day on the listserv Reed,I guess I'm playing the game "Yes, but..." but I tried that and twothings went wrong: 1) I still wound up using the "sawing" motion (as Isaid--no patience), and 2) The epoxy peeled off , something I've neverexperienced. I guess I should have roughed up the blank before gluing, but Idon't do that for reel seats.Anyway, if you have access to a few large (1/2" in bore or larger)ball bearings you can mount them in 5' X 8" pieces of pine and stand thepine pieces vertically on two 1"X 2" pieces held together as a "race" andmount the drill at one end to drive the unit, using a hose clamp. You canwrap the blank in masking tape at the bearing spots to prevent abrasion.Once you've tried that, you're not likely to go back to a rasp OR a drillpress. The bearings can be set near the handle for close support and outnear the end of the section to prevent whipping. It's nice to use three ifyou can get them as the middle will sometimes bow pretty good from thepressure of the sandpaper. I can provide more details if anyone isinterested (or bring one to the Catskill Gathering if there's ademand---it's about five feet long).It worked for me until I got my lathe set up,Art from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Wed Sep 2 10:13:59 1998 via smap(4.1) Subject: RE: Southbend Reel Seat Gary, The "59-9" is actually the model. A #59 at 9' in length. The #59 denotes a heavier action for bass, panfish per Sinclair's book. A model number preceeded with 3, such as #359 would be a lighter trout action rod. If you don't locate a reelseat you might e-mail Michael Sinclair. He has parts like this and may be able to help you out. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Wed Sep 2 10:26:59 1998 via smap(4.1) Subject: Hardy Taper Here is a taper for an early Hardy Marvel 7 1/2' three piece rod. Although I have not cast it I would estimate a parabolic type action in the 4 wt. range. It flexes full into the butt. The measurements were taken after the rod was stripped, so no subtraction for varnish is necessary. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu 0 .0665 .08010 .09715 .11820 .12825 .13528.5 .148Ferrule31.5 .15535 .15840 .17245 .18350 .19155 .20158 .212Ferrule62 .22065 .22970 .24575 .27080 .29081 7/8 .297 @ Winding Check from eestlow@srminc.com Wed Sep 2 12:45:40 1998 86256673.006230EE ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:52:30 -0500 Subject: test testtest from FlyTyr@southshore.com Wed Sep 2 13:19:18 1998 natco.southshore.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19024 for; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:20:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Stanley 9 1/4 plane Steve,Thanks for the info.Tony I picked up a Stanley 9 1/4 plane at a flea market a few weeks ago.Cananyone give me some info on it.Thanks in advance,Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Tony,the 9 1/4 is just like the 9 1/2 but without adjustable mouth. Youprobablycan use it very well for rough planingSteve Weiss from WILHELM.RON@epamail.epa.gov Wed Sep 2 13:38:00 1998 10 #26439)with SMTP id forrodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; withNovell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:27:02 -0400 Subject: Hardy Taper -Reply Chris;Thanks for the taper. Ron from dhaftel@att.com Wed Sep 2 14:08:57 1998 sender att.com!dhaftel (att.com!dhaftel); Wed Sep 2 13:58 EDT 1998 8.6/EMS-1.2sol2) (5.5.1960.3) Subject: RE: test worksworks Dennis HaftelIST-COE/APTPhone: (732) 805-2714Pager:(908) 261-1944e- mail: dhaftel@att.com -----Original Message-----From: Ed Estlow [SMTP:eestlow@srminc.com]Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 1:50 PM Subject: test testtest from ljrp@penn.com Wed Sep 2 14:22:47 1998 Subject: Re: test boundary="------------498094B8B905ABD047FE9C0F" --------------498094B8B905ABD047FE9C0F I'm new on this site (Old on Bamboo) Why can't you save the emails ofthe posters. without writing each one down?? I'm a rookie computer guyalso!!!Thanks for info!! Haftel, Dennis Jay wrote: worksworks Dennis HaftelIST-COE/APTPhone: (732) 805-2714Pager:(908) 261-1944e- mail: dhaftel@att.com -----Original Message-----From: Ed Estlow [SMTP:eestlow@srminc.com]Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 1:50 PM Subject: test testtest --------------498094B8B905ABD047FE9C0F I'm a rookie computer guy also!!!Thanks for info!! Haftel, Dennis Jay wrote:worksworks Dennis HaftelIST-COE/APTPhone: (732) 805-2714Pager:(908) 261-1944e- mail: dhaftel@att.com -----Original Message-----From: Ed Estlow [SMTP:eestlow@srminc.com]Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 1:50 PM testtest --------------498094B8B905ABD047FE9C0F-- from hwilburn@shentel.net Wed Sep 2 18:10:07 1998 Subject: growing your own bamboo I just learned about bamboo rodmaking on the net and I think I might try tomake one. Has anyone tried growing their on bamboo? Would yourecommendthis? when is the right time to cut it? Anything would help. hwilburn@shentel.net from rclarke@eou.edu Wed Sep 2 18:49:16 1998 Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo Herb, this has come up before. Maybe Andy Royer or the Demarests wouldlike to respond, but I would think you are much better off buying what isavailable through one of them. I think you will have a much better resultthan what you could achieve here in the US. Tonkin cane, from what Iunderstand, needs special conditions that other types of bamboo may not,and you might have a hard time finding some to start with. Just mythoughts on it. Let the list know if you give it a try. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu ----------From: Herb Wilburn Subject: growing your own bambooDate: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 4:08 PM I just learned about bamboo rodmaking on the net and I think I might trytomake one. Has anyone tried growing their on bamboo? Would yourecommendthis? when is the right time to cut it? Anything would help. hwilburn@shentel.net from dpeaston@wzrd.com Wed Sep 2 18:56:28 1998 mail.wzrd.com(8.9.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA09164; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:51:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Cattanach's Disk At 09:30 PM 9/1/98 EDT, WayneCatt@aol.com wrote:------------------------- snip-------------------------------------> There are a few known bugs - I haven't programmed in the guide cal'syet- and the ferrule weights - but it can design a rod and it will printgraphs -all on the same gradient scale so that different stress curves can beoverlayed. Eventually there will be CD's available - I have a writer in thebox as I type - but time is a problem in finishing the program - I hope tohave it polished in a month or so. As far as the distribution of Hexrod - it was always intended to be ashareware - program - a while back I even posted the code listing for thedosversion for those wanting to add personal touches. What the program won't do is stretch stress curves or do multi rods -thatis where I feel human intervention is required. And it will never be pretty-A sort of Jack Pine type. Wayne Will it be possible to enter dimensions or stress at 5" intervals. Itappears theat the present version requires input at 1" intervals which is abit difficult when most tapers are given at 5" stations. Perhaps I didn'tlook hard enough for the appropriate option. -Doug Easton ____________(____________|===========================o/ 0 \ / | \__/ \ / Douglas Easton | \ / |\____/ Dpeaston@wzrd.com | |* from mrbamboo@quik.com Wed Sep 2 19:34:11 1998 Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo -----Original Message----- Subject: growing your own bamboo I just learned about bamboo rodmaking on the net and I think I might trytomake one. Has anyone tried growing their on bamboo? Would yourecommendthis? when is the right time to cut it? Anything would help. hwilburn@shentel.net I had purchased Tonkin plants from a gardner back east (i live in CA). Theygrew quite well, being watered every day. Then because of the canessendingout runners into the lawn, I pulled it out and took it up to Mr. Brandon /Scott rods about 2 years ago. I was told that they have it in a planter bythe shop. When I had the cane, it grew quite well. The plants cost about $35.00apiece. I plan on writing about this experience in more detail, givingsources at a later date, on http://www.Rodbuilding.com. Paul Whitely from russettrods@hotmail.com Wed Sep 2 20:50:44 1998 Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:50:05 PDT Subject: re growing your own bamboo Buy some cheeper culms to practice splitting.. Then do as the rest of us buy ONLY THE BEST CANE AND COMPONENTS YOU CAN GET. Your hours of labor demand no less. Larry Russett http://members.tripod.com/~RUSSETTRODS/index.html ______________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com from sats@gte.net Wed Sep 2 20:55:52 1998 Subject: Re: Broke Bamboo A.J.Thanks for the reply. Sorry I'm so long in replying to you. Three piece rods seem to have a higher stress level at the ferrulesand it has always helped on mine to put a bit more cane in the rod atthat point. Did you use truncated ferrules? I have had to be extracautious when using them. Sure did. I inspected the break and I believe that the major reason wasusing a Ferrule one size to small. I've repaired the rod, using the largerferrule and it seems to be holding up just fine. I hope to bring it to SRC. Two piece rods seem to have little troublewith stress at the ferrule as witnessed by the relative rarity of thevarnish seal being broken with just a use or two while three pc rodsalmost always break the varnish seal immediatly. The problem is that ashort 3 pc suffers unless you use trunc ferrules, standard ones seem toeliminate the problem while starting a flat spot in the taper. This is very interesting. I've been doing a lot of thinking about tapersandstress in the last week. Looking at the rod more in the way I'd guessGarrisondid. Right now I'm tending to believe that you can get away with a lot ofstressas long as it's evenly distributed. Most of the problems I've had have beenin areas where stress was the greatest. (around ferrules) I'm wondering if making the rod a "tad" (technical word used by the old rodmakers. Equal to anything from .001 to .5 depending on the application.)flatter around the ferrules, would let the rod flex more on each side of theferrule to "get over" the stiffness of the ferrule? I'm not sure I'msayingwhat I mean here. Say, steepen the taper to about 4in in front of the ferrule station, thenflatten the taper at that point. Do the same on the female side. I'm nottalking about Completely flat. I'm suggesting cutting the taper down toabout.50%. What's your experience say? Thesolution seems to be building your own ferrules of the lenghth required from Dave LeClairs tubing. He provides clear instructions with thetubing. Will we get a demo at SRC? In addition, was the taper a modified 2 pc taper? About 1/3 of myproduction is 3 pc rods and I can state positively that they require adifferent taper than 2 pc rods. NO paras! It was a 3p taper, both before and after. I have no Idea what the rod wasoriginally. All three pieces came to me different lengths. I hope this helps a bit. It helps a lot. Much food for thought. Thank you very much. Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from richjez@enteract.com Wed Sep 2 21:01:59 1998 Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo Where is the country do you live? I was wondering about the pempaturerangeTonkin can tolerate.ThanksRich Jezioro At 05:30 PM 9/2/98 +0000, you wrote: -----Original Message-----From: Herb Wilburn Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 11:14 PMSubject: growing your own bamboo I just learned about bamboo rodmaking on the net and I think I might trytomake one. Has anyone tried growing their on bamboo? Would yourecommendthis? when is the right time to cut it? Anything would help. hwilburn@shentel.net I had purchased Tonkin plants from a gardner back east (i live in CA). Theygrew quite well, being watered every day. Then because of the canessendingout runners into the lawn, I pulled it out and took it up to Mr. Brandon /Scott rods about 2 years ago. I was told that they have it in a planter bythe shop. When I had the cane, it grew quite well. The plants cost about $35.00apiece. I plan on writing about this experience in more detail, givingsources at a later date, on http://www.Rodbuilding.com. Paul Whitely *________________________________)// Rich Jezioro @ /||/______/_||_________________________________________|| /\ / \ > > from WayneCatt@aol.com Wed Sep 2 21:44:46 1998 Subject: Re: Cattanach's Disk Doug -As for dimensional input - you HAVE the option of inputing what everintervals you want - hidden in the program is a routine to fill in theblanksso to say - all that is really required is a tip dimension and the lastdimension - this way a person can enter at 5" intervals or 6" or however Gee - if I were to write some instructions there wouldn't be questionslike this - I'll put that on the to do list Wayne from mrbamboo@quik.com Wed Sep 2 22:00:35 1998 Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo Where is the country do you live? I was wondering about the pempaturerangeTonkin can tolerate.ThanksRich Jezioro I live in Tustin, California, USA, and it was given to Per Brandon who is inBerkley / Oakland, California. Paul from channer@hubwest.com Thu Sep 3 00:26:44 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A8F3100F010A; Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:28:19 MDT Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo At 05:30 PM 9/2/98 -0000, you wrote: -----Original Message-----From: Herb Wilburn Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 11:14 PMSubject: growing your own bamboo I just learned about bamboo rodmaking on the net and I think I might trytomake one. Has anyone tried growing their on bamboo? Would yourecommendthis? when is the right time to cut it? Anything would help. hwilburn@shentel.net I had purchased Tonkin plants from a gardner back east (i live in CA). Theygrew quite well, being watered every day. Then because of the canessendingout runners into the lawn, I pulled it out and took it up to Mr. Brandon /Scott rods about 2 years ago. I was told that they have it in a planter bythe shop. When I had the cane, it grew quite well. The plants cost about $35.00apiece. I plan on writing about this experience in more detail, givingsources at a later date, on http://www.Rodbuilding.com. Paul Whitely Guys;It is funny that this has come up just now, I havespent the last few daysperusing the bamboo nurserys on the net investigating the possibility ofgrowing Tonkin. from what I can find out there are a couple of places inGeorgia and Alabama that sell it. Price is about $40.00/2 gal. container.The bad part for me is it can only take temperatures down to around 10degrees. I live in Durango, Co. and it gets considerably colder than thathere. from what I have learned about bamboo in general, running bamboosneed to be watched or have the perimeter of the growing area made runnerproof, it is quite invasive. As far as harvesting goes, it seems it takes4-8 years before it is mature enough to cut for our purposes. I am surethere is some good reason why this stuff was imported by the ton in theheyday of bamboo rodmaking rather than being grown here, altho it ispossible that the large companies decided that it was cheaper to let theChinese grow it than to pay U.S. labor rates . John Channer from ragnarig@integrityol.com Thu Sep 3 00:50:54 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A04F6580162; Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:59:43 PDT Subject: Re: Broke Bamboo boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BDD6C3.CCEA0EE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BDD6C3.CCEA0EE0 A. J. Thramer wrote:In addition, was the taper a modified 2 pc taper? About 1/3 of myproduction is 3 pc rods and I can state positively that they require adifferent taper than 2 pc rods. NO paras! AJ I just caught this and wondered if you could make a little more specific =comment on this subject. I have a couple of acceptable 3-pc paras of my =own, as well as a really sweet old Thomas and have fished them fairly =hard with no apparent problems. Is it just that they don't give optimum =performance (With my casting stroke it's hard to know) or is there an =inherent hazard to their health? I'm curious as to your experiences in this area, since they are =certainly much more extensive than my own. Thanks,Davy Riggs ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BDD6C3.CCEA0EE0 = rods. NO =paras! AJ I just caught this and wondered if you could make a little more = own, as well as a really sweet old Thomas and have fished them fairly = (With my casting stroke it's hard to know) or is there an inherent = their health? I'm curious as to your experiences in this area, since they are = much more extensive than my own. Thanks,Davy Riggs ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BDD6C3.CCEA0EE0-- from ragnarig@integrityol.com Thu Sep 3 01:03:54 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A35B3B60256; Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:12:43 PDT Subject: Re: Hardy Taper -Reply Thanks for the taper. Ron Chris My thanks as well! Here's a little song I wrote just for guys likeyourself: People.....People who share tapers...Are the grooviest people....In the World Davy from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Thu Sep 3 01:08:21 1998 Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:08:03 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: antique rods Scott,I'll pass this along to the rodmakers listserv and see if anybody can help out. Tony On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 Boko7@aol.com wrote: hello. pardon the intrusion, but i am hoping that you might help me. iown 2antique custom rods from the divine company of chicago. mr. divine hadthemmade for a dear old friend of mine in the 1930s. when my friend died heleftthem to me. however, i have no idea of the worth of the cane rods. anyassistance you could give me would be greatly appreciated. they are invelvetcases and canvas slips. thank you, scott counceboko7@aol.com /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from rcurry@top.monad.net Thu Sep 3 05:01:04 1998 Subject: Re: Cork reamers Larry Blan wrote: Just a word of caution to anyone using grit covered reamers on theirhandles. Once upon a time, I had a piece of grit come off a reamer, andembed itself in the cork. You won't believe what a scratch it leaves whenyou slide it over the blank.Larry,Thanks, good advice. I'll try pulling a nylon stocking through thecork, before putting it on the blank. No guarantees, but it might help.Best regards,Reed from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Thu Sep 3 10:04:36 1998 Subject: Re: Broke Bamboo Terry L. Kirkpatrick wrote: The solution seems to be building your own ferrules of the lenghthrequired fromDave >LeClairs tubing. He provides clear instructions with the tubing. Willwe getademo at >SRC? Yes, Terry. Leo Eck, an excellent restorer and builder fromJacksonville,Arkansas, will demonstrate making your own ferrules. He makes all hisownhardware,and what I have purchased from him and used on one rod of my own isreally nice.Glad to hear you're as interested in the subject as I am. I'll post anagenda, orschedule of activities, or more to the point, a proposed plan of attacksoon. Seeyou October 1!Harry Boyd from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Thu Sep 3 12:31:08 1998 via smap(4.1) Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo John, Could you reveal the source you found that sells tonkin plants? I have access to some property nearby with rich soil. The temperature neverfalls below 10 degrees here in the Willamette Valley, very rarely anyway. The property is on the side of a hill, so the ground stays reasonably moist most of the year from drainage. Might be interesting to try to grow some. Even if it never developes into rodmaking cane it would be fun to have a bamboo grove and it might as well be Tonkin. I could line the area with flashing 18" into the soil, this I understand from landscapers helps prevent unwanted spreading. It's true that bamboo is not exactly an expensive part of rodbuilding, but if the land is available and the maintanence is low, why not give it a try. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from gwr@seanet.com Thu Sep 3 13:22:57 1998 (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10499 for; Thu, Subject: Agates & agatines Hi guys, I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who responded to ourdiscountedofferings of agate and agatine guides. We've already received a number ofchecks and those orders will ship today. Daryll outdid himself while I wason my angling vacation and he completed every order which I hadconfirmedbefore I left. The response was overwhelming and we sold out of 8.5 mmagates and are nearly out of 9.5 mm agates. We'll have more of both by thenew year. The supply of agatines is large - we shouldn't run out anytimesoon. Daryll was so pleased with the response that he wanted his new"regular"price structure to remain as close as possible to the sale prices. He'sable to do this because guide making is a hobby that only needs to pay forthe occasional old creel or a fishing trip down to Oregon. As I saidbefore, his biggest concern is to see every rod maker, amateur and proalike, use "proper" guides on their rods. So long as we have Daryll around,we'll have affordable agate and agatine guides. After some debate, we have settled into the following price structurefororders placed in 1998 (i.e., you can request an order for 1999's agates andget them at this year's prices provided you get on the list before December31st). Also, on orders placed at the regular price structure, we'll now beaccepting credit cards. This was something that was requested severaltimes, but which I had to say no to at the sale prices. 1998 prices on agatines (8.5 mm or 9.5 mm - red):5-9 @ $20.00 each, or10+ @ $16.50 each 1998 prices on agates (8.5 mm or 9.5 mm - our choice of color):5-9 @ $25.00 each, or10+ @ $22.00 each Thanks again, Russ GoodingGolden Witch Rods16829 6th Ave. WestSuite #2BLynnwood, WA 98037gwr@seanet.comhttp://www.goldenwitch.com from gwr@seanet.com Thu Sep 3 13:22:58 1998 (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10507 for; Thu, Subject: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides If you or anyone you know has a batch of old, unplated stainless steelsnakes (those made between tungsten snakes and the later chrome- platedsssnakes), please let me know. I've got a fellow interested in purchasing2000 #1, 1000 #1/0, and 500 #2/0. I'd be happy to put you in directcontactwith the buyer if you want to reduce your collection. Please respond off Thanks in advance for any assistance, Russ from eric.koehler@meissner-wurst.com Thu Sep 3 15:35:19 1998 user@gateus.meissner-wurst.com 15:34:06 gateus.meissner-wurst.com via smap (4.0a) with ESMTP id AAA272 for ;Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:39:46 -0500 (5.0.1460.8) Subject: RE: growing your own bamboo Hi Chris, Excuse me for butting in on the thread... I did a "yahoo" search on theinternet about two months ago when I was pondering the same Tonkinquestionin conjunction with a landscaping quandry. I came up with three or foursources: www.newengbamboo.com/pw2.netcom.com/~rdlewis1/indexwww.tiac.net/users/bambooourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bamboo I checked their list today and most places have the genus Arundiaria, butnoamabilis. This past Spring, most places had A. amabilis is stock... I was up your way last week - work, unfortunately - and fishing the MiddleFork or the McKenzie in the evenings after work. Nice fish -- chubby wildrainbows -- on dry flies, of course! Eck -----Original Message-----From: CHRISTOPHER C MCDOWELL [SMTP:mcdowellc@lanecc.edu]Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 12:29 PM Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo John, Could you reveal the source you found that sells tonkin plants? I have access to some property nearby with rich soil. The temperature neverfalls below 10 degrees here in the Willamette Valley, very rarely anyway. The property is on the side of a hill, so the ground stays reasonably moist most of the year from drainage. Might be interesting to try to growsome. Even if it never developes into rodmaking cane it would be fun to have a bamboo grove and it might as well be Tonkin. I could line the area with flashing 18" into the soil, this I understand from landscapers helps prevent unwanted spreading. It's true that bamboo is not exactly an expensive part of rodbuilding, but if the land is available and the maintanence is low, why not give it a try. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from ljrp@penn.com Thu Sep 3 15:53:10 1998 Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides I have a wonderful little 3pc Heddon 7 1/2 foot rod which has a tinyagatinestripper; one tip has the original agatine tip top; regrettably the other tipwas replaced with a conventional perfection guide, anyone know wheremightobbain an original replacement?? Golden Witch wrote: If you or anyone you know has a batch of old, unplated stainless steelsnakes (those made between tungsten snakes and the later chrome-plated sssnakes), please let me know. I've got a fellow interested in purchasing2000 #1, 1000 #1/0, and 500 #2/0. I'd be happy to put you in directcontactwith the buyer if you want to reduce your collection. Please respond off Thanks in advance for any assistance, Russ from mweber@icscorp.com Thu Sep 3 16:24:09 1998 mgmt-server1.icscorp.com(EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ;Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:18:02 -0400 17:26:28 -0400 Subject: 2 pc vs. 3 pc QAA23862 Since the list seems to be a little slow these days, I thought I'd see if wecanstir up some discussion (or possible controversy). A few recent postshavetouched on three piece rods and their tendency to possibly over stress attheferrule. What's the consensus on three piece rods viruses two piece rods of thesamelength? The obvious advantage is packability. Aside from this, whatotherqualities (good and bad) do you find with three piece rods compared to twopiece?Does our greater comprehension of taper design (not to mention the easeof use ofHexrod) allow us to build a rod in a three piece configuration that will beasgood or better than the same two piece rod? I like making three piece rods, and have done so primarily for the travelingadvantages. Thirty couple of inches fits in my duffle or in the overheadcompartment on the plane. Any ideas? Thoughts? Mike Weber from rclarke@eou.edu Thu Sep 3 17:22:16 1998 Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides Dick, I think there is a source for those, but it escapes me at the moment.If you find out off-list, please post the info to the list. I aminterested in a source for those as well. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu ----------From: Dick Fogel Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guidesDate: Thursday, September 03, 1998 1:50 PM I have a wonderful little 3pc Heddon 7 1/2 foot rod which has a tinyagatinestripper; one tip has the original agatine tip top; regrettably theother tipwas replaced with a conventional perfection guide, anyone know wheremightobbain an original replacement?? Golden Witch wrote: If you or anyone you know has a batch of old, unplated stainless steelsnakes (those made between tungsten snakes and the later chrome- platedsssnakes), please let me know. I've got a fellow interested inpurchasing2000 #1, 1000 #1/0, and 500 #2/0. I'd be happy to put you in directcontactwith the buyer if you want to reduce your collection. Please respondoff Thanks in advance for any assistance, Russ from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Thu Sep 3 17:49:15 1998 via smap(4.1) Subject: Agatine tiptop (was wanted......) Dick, You might try contacting Joe Arguello at RckyMtKane@aol.com. He may be able to make what you want or have something available that will work. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from Turbotrk@aol.com Thu Sep 3 18:03:32 1998 Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo I have grown bamboo for years as a decorative item only. To stop therunners,all is needed is a wall or curb 8" deep. The roots run very shallow and thisstops them from spreading. I will look for tonkin starters to see if this isan option. Our climate in Memphis will support some species of cane, but Iamnot sure if it will support Tonkin. soon to be a rod builder from gwr@seanet.com Thu Sep 3 18:43:46 1998 mx.seanet.com(8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07201 for; Thu, Subject: Agatine Tip Tops boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BDD75A.9CC003E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BDD75A.9CC003E0 Hi Robert, I've got a good stash of agatine tip tops. You can find these on my website at http://www.goldenwitch.com on the "Misc. For Sale" page. EarlierI'd posted Dick off-list, but it sounds like more guys may be interested inthese old tip tops. In addition to my own collection of agates and agatines, I'll berepresenting the owners of other, much larger, collections. No matterwhatyou need, fly strippers, tip tops, or guide sets for boat rods, baitcasters, spinning rods, I can probably find something to suit. Admittedly,I make a small commission for brokering the deals and handling thepaperwork, including 720 taxes, but without this service I know thatthesecollections would not be made available to rod makers. Most of theseagate& agatine guides will not be listed on my web site; there are simply toomany. If anyone is interested in specifics, please email me off list with yourrequests. Thanks, Russ GoodingGolden Witch Rodshttp://www.goldenwitch.comgwr@seanet.com -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides Dick, I think there is a source for those, but it escapes me at the moment.If you find out off-list, please post the info to the list. I aminterested in a source for those as well. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu ----------From: Dick Fogel Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guidesDate: Thursday, September 03, 1998 1:50 PM I have a wonderful little 3pc Heddon 7 1/2 foot rod which has a tinyagatinestripper; one tip has the original agatine tip top; regrettably theother tipwas replaced with a conventional perfection guide, anyone know wheremightobbain an original replacement?? Golden Witch wrote: If you or anyone you know has a batch of old, unplated stainless steelsnakes (those made between tungsten snakes and the later chrome- platedsssnakes), please let me know. I've got a fellow interested inpurchasing2000 #1, 1000 #1/0, and 500 #2/0. I'd be happy to put you in directcontactwith the buyer if you want to reduce your collection. Please respondoff Thanks in advance for any assistance, Russ ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BDD75A.9CC003E0 name="Golden Witch Rods.vcf" filename="Golden Witch Rods.vcf" BEGIN:VCARDN:Rods;Golden WitchFN:Golden Witch RodsORG:Golden Witch RodsADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;16829 6th Ave. =West=3D0D=3D0ASuite #2B=3D0D=3D0A;Lynnwood;WA;98037LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED- PRINTABLE:16829 6th Ave. =West=3D0D=3D0ASuite #2B=3D0D=3D0A=3D0D=3D0ALynnwood, WA 98037URL:http://www.goldenwitch.comEND:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BDD75A.9CC003E0-- from flyfisher@cmix.com Thu Sep 3 18:58:28 1998 Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides RO>I have a wonderful little 3pc Heddon 7 1/2 foot rod which has a tinyagatineRO>stripper; one tip has the original agatine tip top; regrettably the otherthatRO>was replaced with a conventional perfection guide, anyone know wheremightRO>obbain an original replacement?? Are you sure? You might have a wet/dry set of tips. Wet tip with theagatine. What Model is it? I've not seen an agatine tiptip on a Heddon -not that I've seen all the models/style-changes from all the eras. Don Burns PS - Raining cats, dogs and small children at the moment - what the heckis going on with the weather? It's not suppose to rain (or be humid) inS. Calif. at this time of the year and this is the 2nd day of thunderstorms. from channer@hubwest.com Thu Sep 3 19:06:23 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AF5E720010C; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 18:07:58 MDT Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo At 10:29 AM 9/3/98 PDT, you wrote:John, Could you reveal the source you found that sells tonkin plants? I have access to some property nearby with rich soil. The temperature neverfalls below 10 degrees here in the Willamette Valley, very rarely anyway. The property is on the side of a hill, so the ground stays reasonably moist most of the year from drainage. Might be interesting to try to grow some. Even if it never developes into rodmaking cane it would be fun to have a bamboo grove and it might as well be Tonkin. I could line the area with flashing 18" into the soil, this I understand from landscapers helps prevent unwanted spreading. It's true that bamboo is not exactly an expensive part of rodbuilding, but if the land is available and the maintanence is low, why not give it a try. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu Chris;I wouldn't mind revealing it at all, if I had saved it. Do a web search someplace, I can't remember where. When the results of the web searchcomesup, his page doesn't have a title, it just says something about he has beengrowing bamboo for 10 years and now has 70 varieties. The other place Ifound that grows Tonkin won't ship it, you have to pick it up. Good luck,let us know how you do with it. One tip, if you have next door neighbors,don't let it spread to their property. When I was a kid, an old coupledown the street from me had some smaller type of bamboo in their backyardand their neighbors almost burned them out when it started to spread totheir manicured yards. the old folks seemd to spend most of their timetrying to control the stuff. John from ljrp@penn.com Thu Sep 3 20:06:15 1998 Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides Will Do; Cheers Dick Robert Clarke wrote: Dick, I think there is a source for those, but it escapes me at themoment.If you find out off-list, please post the info to the list. I aminterested in a source for those as well. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu ----------From: Dick Fogel Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guidesDate: Thursday, September 03, 1998 1:50 PM I have a wonderful little 3pc Heddon 7 1/2 foot rod which has a tinyagatinestripper; one tip has the original agatine tip top; regrettably theother tipwas replaced with a conventional perfection guide, anyone know wheremightobbain an original replacement?? Golden Witch wrote: If you or anyone you know has a batch of old, unplated stainless steelsnakes (those made between tungsten snakes and the later chrome- platedsssnakes), please let me know. I've got a fellow interested inpurchasing2000 #1, 1000 #1/0, and 500 #2/0. I'd be happy to put you in directcontactwith the buyer if you want to reduce your collection. Please respondoff Thanks in advance for any assistance, Russ from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Sep 3 20:12:36 1998 Subject: Re: 2 pc vs. 3 pc If designed correctly a 3 piece will cast as well as a two piece, at leastclose enough that it is hard to tell the difference. But, I have never gotten a "casting fracture" as Wayne calls it, on theferrule wraps of a two piece. I have gotten that little separation in thebottom wrap of the bottom ferrule on a couple three piecers. Doesthat "casting fracture" really affect anything? So far no. Darryl from ljrp@penn.com Thu Sep 3 20:16:32 1998 Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides Don; The rod is a Jay Harvey "Cleveland" #x3R..... by Heddon. The reel seatistypical Heddon; brown mottled with GS fittings; the grip is much smallerthan atypical Heddon grip!! The stripping guide iv very tiny, smaller than mostguidesI have seen on later Heddons.. Do you know what era the rod is from?? Thetipwiththe Perfection tip has a fishing set in it, so I assumed that it was the onemostused and possibly had the tiptop replaced flyfisher@cmix.com wrote: RO>I have a wonderful little 3pc Heddon 7 1/2 foot rod which has a tinyagatineRO>stripper; one tip has the original agatine tip top; regrettably theotherthatRO>was replaced with a conventional perfection guide, anyone knowwhere mightRO>obbain an original replacement?? Are you sure? You might have a wet/dry set of tips. Wet tip with theagatine. What Model is it? I've not seen an agatine tiptip on a Heddon -not that I've seen all the models/style-changes from all the eras. Don Burns PS - Raining cats, dogs and small children at the moment - what theheckis going on with the weather? It's not suppose to rain (or be humid) inS. Calif. at this time of the year and this is the 2nd day of thunderstorms. from ljrp@penn.com Thu Sep 3 20:17:22 1998 Subject: Re: Agatine tiptop (was wanted......) Thanks Chris; Cheers; Dick from central Pa CHRISTOPHER C MCDOWELL wrote: Dick, You might try contacting Joe Arguello at RckyMtKane@aol.com. He maybeable to make what you want or have something available that will work. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from ljrp@penn.com Thu Sep 3 20:18:54 1998 Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo I have read the the Wind in that area of China contributed to the strengthof thecane?? Would this be a factor in growing you own bamboo?? Turbotrk@aol.com wrote: I have grown bamboo for years as a decorative item only. To stop therunners,all is needed is a wall or curb 8" deep. The roots run very shallow andthisstops them from spreading. I will look for tonkin starters to see if thisisan option. Our climate in Memphis will support some species of cane,but I amnot sure if it will support Tonkin. soon to be a rod builder from LECLAIR123@aol.com Thu Sep 3 20:28:43 1998 Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides Don,It must be something to do with the weather.Keep your chin up,espescialy if it gets up to your neck. Dave L. from Grhghlndr@aol.com Thu Sep 3 21:18:06 1998 Subject: Bamboo Flyrod magazine. Has any1 seen or heard about Vol 1 issue 4 yet July /August. Mark anyword ordid I miss it .Bret from ccurrojr@mindspring.com Thu Sep 3 21:20:52 1998 Subject: Southern Rodmakers Gathering Just thought I'd pass on a message to any new rodmakers and thosewho want to be new rodmakers who might be lurking in the bowels of thislist. If there is any way that you can break away from work and home andeven fishing on October 2 and 3, you really should - so that you cancome to the Southern Rodmakers Gathering in Mountain Home, Arkansas.I was in COLCO Woodworking today (a store in Memphis) and wastalking to a gentleman who works there part time in his retirement (WaltEvans). I've spoken with him many times, but today talking aboutLie- Nielson led to bamboo rodmaking and then he tells me that he plansto attend the Gathering with his son Mark Evans and they both (mostlyMark) hope to start making rods. I then slowly built up to a typicalSicilian tirade encouraging him to DEFINITELY make the SouthernGathering to take advantage of the FREE two-day workshop which will begiven by the Bamboo Goddess of Casnovia, the JackPine Momma of MichiganRodmakers, none other than Wayne Cattanach. This FREE two-day workshop(not to be confused with the week-long workshop I attended in Graylingand payed Cattanach thousands of dollars for) is just what ANY beginnerneeds - and just what will push a wannabe right on over that slipperybamboo slope into rodmaking never- neverland.Along with all the other demonstrations/presentations beingorganized by Harry Boyd, this Gathering is looking GREAT: lots of bamboorods to drool over; experienced rodmakers to learn from; and maybe evenone or two nice people to meet. Heck, I'll bet even Cattanach will benice to people in his workshop since it will be in a public place - yousee if you should ever take his weeklong course which is conducted in alocked shack in beautiful downtown Grayling, Michigan, you will discoverthe joy he takes in whacking students with bamboo strips if they evenlook up from their work, let alone ask if there will be a lunch break.So . . . all this bandwidth to say: New folks - make it if you can.Experienced folks - be gentile with us when we show you our first rodwith a really mucked-up finish. (Yes, Wayne, I WILL build the friggin'dip tube like you told me I should.)Amen. Over and out. Charlie C. from moucheux@sympatico.ca Thu Sep 3 21:46:23 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod magazine. Grhghlndr@aol.com wrote: Has any1 seen or heard about Vol 1 issue 4 yet July /August. Mark anyword ordid I miss it .Bret________ I have not yet received mine. Thought I was the only...-- Michel LajoieLe Moucheuxhttp://www.titan.qc.ca/moucheux from ghinde@inconnect.com Thu Sep 3 21:48:13 1998 Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides Would these be Perfection's stainless steel snake guides? If so, seeCustom Tackle Supply 1997-1998 Catalog page27.phone (615)684-6164 George Greys River Rod Co.ghinde@inconnect.com ----------From: Robert Clarke Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guidesDate: Thursday, September 03, 1998 4:20 PM Dick, I think there is a source for those, but it escapes me at themoment.If you find out off-list, please post the info to the list. I aminterested in a source for those as well. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu ----------From: Dick Fogel Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guidesDate: Thursday, September 03, 1998 1:50 PM I have a wonderful little 3pc Heddon 7 1/2 foot rod which has a tinyagatinestripper; one tip has the original agatine tip top; regrettably theother tipwas replaced with a conventional perfection guide, anyone know wheremightobbain an original replacement?? Golden Witch wrote: If you or anyone you know has a batch of old, unplated stainlesssteelsnakes (those made between tungsten snakes and the laterchrome-platedsssnakes), please let me know. I've got a fellow interested inpurchasing2000 #1, 1000 #1/0, and 500 #2/0. I'd be happy to put you in directcontactwith the buyer if you want to reduce your collection. Please respondoff Thanks in advance for any assistance, Russ from bobbo@buffnet.net Thu Sep 3 21:51:46 1998 bybuffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16633 for via smap(V2.0) Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod magazine. I contacted them and they said Labor Day. I was getting worried too. It's adecent read. Bob At 10:17 PM 9/3/98 EDT, you wrote:Has any1 seen or heard about Vol 1 issue 4 yet July /August. Mark anyword ordid I miss it .Bret from thorstad@primenet.com Thu Sep 3 21:55:55 1998 be "lizard"via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd024004; Thu Sep 3 19:55:431998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod magazine. I just talked to Mark at BFF this evening. The issue is late in gettingout. Don't panic (like I did), I belive the reason for the delay isjustified. Tim thorstad@primenet.com -----Original Message----- Subject: Bamboo Flyrod magazine. Has any1 seen or heard about Vol 1 issue 4 yet July /August. Mark anywordordid I miss it .Bret from bobbo@buffnet.net Thu Sep 3 22:02:48 1998 bybuffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA17770 for via smap(V2.0) Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides According to Michael Sinclair's excellent "Bamboo Rod RestorationHandbook", theCleveland is an equivalent to a Heddon #13 "Lucky Angler." The wrapswould be Goldtipped Brown if it is Post War and any number of colors before WWII.Bob At 09:13 PM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote:Don; The rod is a Jay Harvey "Cleveland" #x3R..... by Heddon. The reel seatistypical Heddon; brown mottled with GS fittings; the grip is much smallerthan atypical Heddon grip!! The stripping guide iv very tiny, smaller than mostguidesI have seen on later Heddons.. Do you know what era the rod is from?? The tipwiththe Perfection tip has a fishing set in it, so I assumed that it was the onemostused and possibly had the tiptop replaced -----------------------------Bob Maulucci218 Wallace Ave.Buffalo, New York 14216716-836-8297 http://www.buffnet.net/~bobbo/welcome.htm "Establish a better reputation for honesty in your home community; thenyou wonthave to bring in dead fish to prove that your not a liar." - Kenneth Reid from ljrp@penn.com Thu Sep 3 22:16:59 1998 Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides Thanks a ton for info, the wraps are gold with single brown tipping. I alsohave a7 foot Folsum with wrapping on the grip a 7 1\2 ft Folsum with oxidizedmetalwhich is a real beauty, I love dark cane and dark metal on a fly rod. Afriend of mine just moved here from Rush N. Y. is that near your area? bob maulucci wrote: According to Michael Sinclair's excellent "Bamboo Rod RestorationHandbook", theCleveland is an equivalent to a Heddon #13 "Lucky Angler." The wrapswould be Goldtipped Brown if it is Post War and any number of colors before WWII.Bob At 09:13 PM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote:Don; The rod is a Jay Harvey "Cleveland" #x3R..... by Heddon. The reelseat istypical Heddon; brown mottled with GS fittings; the grip is muchsmaller than atypical Heddon grip!! The stripping guide iv very tiny, smaller thanmostguidesI have seen on later Heddons.. Do you know what era the rod is from?? The tipwiththe Perfection tip has a fishing set in it, so I assumed that it was theonemostused and possibly had the tiptop replaced -----------------------------Bob Maulucci218 Wallace Ave.Buffalo, New York 14216716-836-8297 http://www.buffnet.net/~bobbo/welcome.htm "Establish a better reputation for honesty in your home community; thenyou wonthave to bring in dead fish to prove that your not a liar." - Kenneth Reid from rdonnely@webtv.net Thu Sep 3 22:43:14 1998 112.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with 112.iap.bryant.webtv.net(8.8.5/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA26313; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:42:18 -0700 ETAtAhQb1nYAFM55ovF5+zzu84Ysh7zmsQIVAJykOX+HdrXMFzyuBCpt+oboHWSb Subject: Granger W/M Victory 8 1/2 ft Still have my first fly rod, purchased for me in 1943. One tip down 31/2" and other tip down 1/2". New to this and I dont feel compentant toplane two new tips. Where do I start ? Ray Donnely from flyfisher@cmix.com Thu Sep 3 23:24:16 1998 Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides Michael Sinclair has an email address (caneclinic@aol.com) and he mightbe the very best source of info. Don Burns RO>Thanks a ton for info, the wraps are gold with single brown tipping. IalsoRO>friend of mine just moved here from Rush N. Y. is that near your area? RO>bob maulucci wrote: RO>> According to Michael Sinclair's excellent "Bamboo Rod RestorationHandbookRO>> BobRO>>RO>> At 09:13 PM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote:RO>> >Don; The rod is a Jay Harvey "Cleveland" #x3R..... by Heddon. The reelsRO>> >typical Heddon; brown mottled with GS fittings; the grip is muchsmallerRO>> >typical Heddon grip!! The stripping guide iv very tiny, smaller thanmoRO>> >I have seen on later Heddons.. Do you know what era the rod isfrom?? ThRO>> >the Perfection tip has a fishing set in it, so I assumed that it wastheRO>> >used and possibly had the tiptop replacedRO>> >RO>> -----------------------------RO>> Bob MaulucciRO>> 218 Wallace Ave.RO>> Buffalo, New York 14216RO>> 716-836-8297RO>>RO>> http://www.buffnet.net/~bobbo/welcome.htmRO>>RO>> "Establish a better reputation for honesty in your home community;then yo from flyfisher@cmix.com Thu Sep 3 23:26:59 1998 Subject: RE:Granger W/M Victory 8 1/2 ft RO>Still have my first fly rod, purchased for me in 1943. One tip down 3RO>1/2" and other tip down 1/2". New to this and I dont feel compentant toRO>plane two new tips. Where do I start ? RO>Ray Donnely Ray, Don't worry about the one tip that is 1/2" short. The other tip could bescarf repaired if you can find a suitable donor tip. (hard to do) But a scarf is a bit easier than doing a whole new tip. My $0.02. Don Burns from SalarFly@aol.com Thu Sep 3 23:35:49 1998 Subject: Re: Bamboo Flyrod magazine. In a message dated 9/3/98 7:58:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,bobbo@buffnet.netwrites: I contacted them and they said Labor Day. I was getting worried too. It'sadecent read. I don't mean to rub it in, but I've seen No. 4. Great article on taperdesign by Per Brandin. One of the advantages for all the free helpI've been giving them. Oh, and another advantage - all the old rodsI've been able to handle. I'm in bamboo fly rod heaven.... Darryl from RMargiotta@aol.com Fri Sep 4 04:48:24 1998 Subject: Re: Wanted: stainless steel snake guides The Dale Clemens catalog alos has the plain stainless snakes. --Rich from channer@hubwest.com Fri Sep 4 06:36:12 1998 (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A10B89900F4; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 05:37:47 MDT Subject: Re: Granger W/M Victory 8 1/2 ft At 11:42 PM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote:Still have my first fly rod, purchased for me in 1943. One tip down 31/2" and other tip down 1/2". New to this and I dont feel compentant toplane two new tips. Where do I start ? Ray Donnely Ray;Ricks Rods in Denver has all the old W&G stock, you could get areplacementtip section from them.They are on the web, you can get there thru theRodmakers page.John from saltwein@swbell.net Fri Sep 4 07:26:02 1998 gw2adm.rcsntx.swbell.net HAA02525 Subject: SRC I thought the Southern Rodmakers Gathering was to be a one day affair onthe 1st of October. Now I read there is to be a two day demonstrationnon the 2nd &3rd. Has it expanded from its original parameters? Regards, SteveIndepdence, MO from stpete@netten.net Fri Sep 4 07:55:03 1998 cedar.netten.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA14890 for Subject: One piece tapers 3-5 wt Normally, I print and collect every taper I find, just to archive it. Iam interested in making a one piece rod and lo and behold, I find I haveno such taper in my files. I searched a few months in the Archives, buthad trouble downloading the entire months files. If someone has a one piece taper that they wouldn't mind sharing, I'dlove to try it. Rick Crenshaw from TSmithwick@aol.com Fri Sep 4 08:02:45 1998 Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo Back in the 1930's, when Tonkin was a bigger commercial item, the USDAtriedgrowing rod quality cane. I think they tried two locations in the south. Ihave also heard of experiments in Cuba. Apparently, the cane did grow, butthequality was not acceptable for rods. It would certainly be interesting tohavea grove of the stuff for show and tell, but I would not get my hopes upaboutthe quality. from Turbotrk@aol.com Fri Sep 4 08:05:27 1998 Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo I would say that wind would be a factor on the outer edges of a grove. Intheinterior, the bamboo isolates almost the gusts down to nothing. Theoveralldurability comes from the whole grove working together, not just oneplant. soon to be a rod builder from Turbotrk@aol.com Fri Sep 4 08:11:28 1998 Subject: Re: Southern Rodmakers Gathering I will be attending as will my son. I cannot wait for the experience. Stuart S. MillerMemphis from Grhghlndr@aol.com Fri Sep 4 08:30:20 1998 Subject: Re: Re: Bamboo Flyrod magazine. Darryl,No rub taken sometimes you just happen to be in the right places. I havehadmy advantages too.Bret from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Sep 4 09:14:14 1998 Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:13:39 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung) Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: Back in the 1930's, when Tonkin was a bigger commercial item, the USDAtriedgrowing rod quality cane. I think they tried two locations in the south. Ihave also heard of experiments in Cuba. Apparently, the cane did grow,but thequality was not acceptable for rods. It would certainly be interesting tohavea grove of the stuff for show and tell, but I would not get my hopes upaboutthe quality. I think there are lots of factors involved here apart from climate and prevailing winds etc. A good example is Eucalyptus trees. There are hundreds of different types of "Gum trees" and here where they like it the charistics of the timber seem to be completely different to what you get in other parts of the world."Sydney Blue Gum" is used for furniture here, particually kitchens and kitchen benches as it grows steadily and is dimentionaly stable however I was reading that in South Africa the trees will explode at the trunks and need to have steel bands applied while growing so the timber is useable. I wouldn't *think* this is due to different temps as these trees grow from the coast to the snowline over here.I believe These are the species growing in California where the timber isn't even considered good for burning. "Spotted Gum" is another example. My yacht is timbered out and keeled using this timber, built in '58 and still going yet Wooden Boat listed Spotted Gum as an inferior timber for boat building. On the East coast of Australia almost all timber boats use this timber.I remember seeing a Spotted Gum right at the Ti Aringa hut near Taupo NZand the bloody thing was Sooooo huge I didn't recognise it at first. Alpine Ash are the 2nd tallest growing trees on the planet, the largest tree ever cut and measured anywhere was an Alpine Ash. These grow as straight as arrows in deep valleys of Victoria with almost identical weather conditions to central Nth Island of New Zealand yet they wont grow there, apparently they have root nematodes that handle the trace elements in specific ways. If the bugs that cuase these nematodes are lacking or wrong, the charistics of the trees wont be carried through.There is a guy just North of Brisbane who has been growing bamboos for some years now and wont even send me a sample of Tonkin because hesays his just isn't up to scratch compared to the piece I sent him for comparison which makes me think there may be something about theregion in China apart from the wind etc. Tony /***********************************************************************/Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.htmlThe Australian connection A computer without windows is like a fish without a bicycle /***********************************************************************/ from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Fri Sep 4 09:31:00 1998 Subject: Re: SRC Steve,You've got it figured out. This thing is taking on a life of its own,as Hank Woolman predicted it would. Wayne is doing the workshop CharlesCurro described (so brilliantly?) on Friday and possibly Saturday, and thathas only developed recently. We're up to 35 commitments to attend that Iknow of, with quite a few more that I am hearing whispered about.I hope you can make plans to be with us for all that you are interestedin. I'll bet Charles' post draws some additional interest!Harry Steve wrote: I thought the Southern Rodmakers Gathering was to be a one day affair onthe 1st of October. Now I read there is to be a two day demonstrationnon the 2nd &3rd. Has it expanded from its original parameters? Regards, SteveIndepdence, MO from bobbo@buffnet.net Fri Sep 4 10:21:12 1998 bybuffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15676 for buffnet9.buffnet.net viasmap (V2.0) Subject: Jay Harvey Rod Dick, I don't Rush is near Buffalo. But, if you get up to the Buffalo area, the fallsalmon and brown trout fishing is going to take off in the next month orso. Ican't wait to try a Winston 8wt I just got! Yeaha!But seriously, you could contact Michael Sinclair for more info. He seemedverynice every time I had a question.Bob -----------------------------Bob Maulucci218 Wallace Ave.Buffalo, New York 14216716-836-8297 http://www.buffnet.net/~bobbo/welcome.htm "Establish a better reputation for honesty in your home community; thenyou wonthave to bring in dead fish to prove that your not a liar." - Kenneth Reid from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Fri Sep 4 10:32:03 1998 via smap(4.1) Subject: RE: One piece tapers 3-5 wt Rick, Tom Smithwick has a 5 1/2' one piece 4/5 wt. taper posted at Jerry Fosters Webpage http://home1/gte.net/jfoster/tapers.html Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from eestlow@srminc.com Fri Sep 4 10:50:29 1998 86256675.0057A67B ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:57:22 -0500 Subject: RE: One piece tapers 3-5 wt AJ Thramer also has one, a 4' - 4", I believe.-Ed from ljrp@penn.com Fri Sep 4 10:55:55 1998 Subject: Re: Jay Harvey Rod Sounds great; have fun. I will contact Mike don't forget to rotate your rodwhenfighting those bruisers (that's what the older guys used to say to do so astonot develop a fishing set) nice to talk CheersDick bob maulucci wrote: Dick,I don't Rush is near Buffalo. But, if you get up to the Buffalo area, thefallsalmon and brown trout fishing is going to take off in the next month orso. Ican't wait to try a Winston 8wt I just got! Yeaha!But seriously, you could contact Michael Sinclair for more info. Heseemed verynice every time I had a question.Bob -----------------------------Bob Maulucci218 Wallace Ave.Buffalo, New York 14216716-836-8297 http://www.buffnet.net/~bobbo/welcome.htm "Establish a better reputation for honesty in your home community; thenyou wonthave to bring in dead fish to prove that your not a liar." - Kenneth Reid from DEMARALON@aol.com Fri Sep 4 11:21:56 1998 Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo To All who would want to try grow TONKIN for rod making: I recommend thatyou obtain a copy ofLuis Marden's book THE ANGLER'S BAMBOO.`i The appendix contains the McClure report in very complete detail onhow The CHINESE have planted, grown ,harvested andprocessed TONKIN for the rodmakers and other markets for the past 100 yearsor more. BEST WISHES and GOOD LUCK HAROLD DEMAREST P.S. You can obtain Luis' book by calling Tony Lyons @ 1-800 836-0510,Ext 39, or faxing @ 212 929-1836 (Lyons and Burford, 31 West 21stStreet, NYC10010.)Believe the cost is $25.00. from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Fri Sep 4 12:10:39 1998 (5.0.1458.49) does anybody have a silk, about 5wt, they would be willing to sell. I'velooked all over Seattle and have been unable to locate one. Help!!! from flyfisher@cmix.com Fri Sep 4 13:05:49 1998 Subject: RE:Jay Harvey Rod RO>Dick,RO>I don't Rush is near Buffalo. But, if you get up to the Buffalo area, thefaRO>But seriously, you could contact Michael Sinclair for more info. Heseemed vRO>Bob -----------------------------RO>Bob MaulucciRO>218 Wallace Ave.RO>Buffalo, New York 14216RO>716-836-8297 Bob, I grew up in the WNY area - Orchard Park/Hamburg area. (or just down theroad from the Bills stadium) Don Burns from rcurry@top.monad.net Fri Sep 4 16:17:11 1998 Subject: Re: Coffey, Patrick W wrote: does anybody have a silk, about 5wt, they would be willing to sell. I'velooked all over Seattle and have been unable to locate one. Help!!!Patrick,Have you triedhttp://www.belvoirdale.com/silklines.html ?If you decide to spend $200+ for one of these lines, please send us areport on their quality. I tried to borrow one for an article on SilkLines for Bamboo Fly Rod, but never got an answer. Alas, they don't seemto make them in WF.Len Codella has the Phoenix lines for a $189. You can reach him at.Best regards,Reed from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Fri Sep 4 18:34:39 1998 via smap(4.1) Subject: RE: 2 pc vs. 3 pc Here's my opinions. Various configurations allow you to justify more rods in the stable, right? For example, with a 7' 4wt. rod you need a two piece overhead compartment of an airplane for those weekend getaways toexotic places. Perhaps even a four piece version that will slide into your backpack to avoid catching branches when on the trail. Finally for the fly fisher who has it all, a five piece version that can be smuggled past your spouse by tucking it into your sock under your pantleg for those family vacations when you promised fly fishing would not be a distraction. Of the rods I have fished and cast I prefer two piece rods over three piece rods. Two piece rods are lighter, and the bamboo is not inhibited by an extra ferrule area. Three piece rods have an advantage in portability, especially with airline travel or pack in trips. I think some fly fishers like the tradition of a three piece rod, and we all know that short classic era three piece rods are rare in the marketplace so there is probably a lean toward the items that seem scarce even if they are contemporary versions. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from maxs@geocities.co.jp Fri Sep 4 19:45:04 1998 geocities.co.jp (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24989 for; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:44:58 +0900 (JST) Subject: Straightening the tip after glueing Hello list members, A topic for straightening twisted tip.I had difficulties to make a tip section straighten after glueing itusing Garrison's binder. Since tip is especially soft, the usage of Garrison binder with a rather heavier weight caused thetip be twistedwhile binding with glue. Since tip is thin enough, the efforts to correct the twist causedthe twisted portion to be more twisted easily toward opposite side and its shape became wavedlikezig-zag. Since my father was a tailor and I recalled my memory that he was pressing the clothes by iron tofinalize the surface of the jacket.Then, I pressed the zig-zag tip by electric iron with the highestheat setting over each flat of the twisted tip. It worked!Looking at the twisted portion carefully and ran the iron slowly overthe same flat trying to keep the same flat upward by the other hand (untwisting), the tip is straightenedperfectly. I applied the same thing on to the flat of butt, but it worked partly since it seems too thick foriron. The slow (longer) bend could not be straightened completely. Theportion had to be straightened hand or a leverage. The above is done after the binding thread, the dried gleu and thesurface of the enamel is filed out.I used a piece of straight wood (2 foot length) as an iron mat. Iron iseffective formid section too for 3 pieces. Iron works mainly on thin portion. Now I am pressing the planedsections by iron on the planing form in order to make each piece of sections be straight as much as possible before finalplaning and glueing. I hope this might help similar level of builder to me. Any comment and advice please, if there is more effective or easier wayespecially to straighten the butt section. Max Satohan Oriental builder from bobbo@buffnet.net Fri Sep 4 23:36:04 1998 bybuffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27439 for via smap(V2.0) Subject: RE:Jay Harvey Rod Don,One of the nice things about Buffalo being a drinking town with a footballproblem, is that the streams are often abandoned on Sundays. The fallhere isvery good. 7-8 lb browns are pretty common and the chinook salmon run15lbs to??? I mean big scary fish.Take care,Bob Bob, I grew up in the WNY area - Orchard Park/Hamburg area. (or just down theroad from the Bills stadium) Don Burns from bobbo@buffnet.net Fri Sep 4 23:39:35 1998 bybuffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27888 for via smap(V2.0) Subject: Re: lines Speaking of lines...has anyone tried the Mackenzie Bamboo lines? I've seenacouple of ads, but I am hesitant. (i know they're not silk, but are theygood?)Thanks,Bob At 05:20 PM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote:Coffey, Patrick W wrote: does anybody have a silk, about 5wt, they would be willing to sell. I'velooked all over Seattle and have been unable to locate one. Help!!!Patrick,Have you triedhttp://www.belvoirdale.com/silklines.html ?If you decide to spend $200+ for one of these lines, please send us areport on their quality. I tried to borrow one for an article on SilkLines for Bamboo Fly Rod, but never got an answer. Alas, they don't seemto make them in WF.Len Codella has the Phoenix lines for a $189. You can reach him at.Best regards,Reed from ragnarig@integrityol.com Sat Sep 5 00:07:31 1998 (SMTPD32-4.04) id A930172A004C; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:16:32 PDT Subject: Re: 2 pc vs. 3 pc Dear Chris Several good points. And multi-section rods definitely have their uses. I must, however, offer a different approach to a couple of these problems.The first thing is: develop a bad limp. Besides being the world's mosteffective means of birth control, this will enable you to get a cane/crutch.Mine is about 4 1/2 feet long, tubular aluminum with a custom fittedhandle,a thick neoprene foot and an underarm cradle fitted to the clever screw-oncap. Everybody knows what is inside the tube, but it's difficult for my goodChristian cohabitants to begrudge a poor old cripple the means to hobbleover steep, rock strewn mountain trails, especially if these trails are 3 or4 miles long. Flight attendants have this much in common with Christians.They will be extremely cool so long as you don't use your "crutch" to clearthe aisle well before the plane is stopped at the Juneau terminal. Exactly how you explain yourself after disappearing into the interior ofNorthern British Columbia for a few weeks will have to be the subject of afuture dissertation; and I'll probably need some money for that one. Butit'd be well to start developing a history of sleepwalking as soon aspossible. And get a longer coat. Dead serious,Davy -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: 2 pc vs. 3 pc Here's my opinions. Various configurations allow you to justify morerodsin the stable, right? For example, with a 7' 4wt. rod you need a two piece overhead compartment of an airplane for those weekend getaways toexoticplaces. Perhaps even a four piece version that will slide into yourbackpack to avoid catching branches when on the trail. Finally for the flyfisher who has it all, a five piece version that can be smuggled past yourspouse by tucking it into your sock under your pantleg for those familyvacations when you promised fly fishing would not be a distraction. Of the rods I have fished and cast I prefer two piece rods over three piecerods. Two piece rods are lighter, and the bamboo is not inhibited by anextra ferrule area. Three piece rods have an advantage in portability,especially with airline travel or pack in trips. I think some fly fisherslike the tradition of a three piece rod, and we all know that short classicera three piece rods are rare in the marketplace so there is probably alean toward the items that seem scarce even if they are contemporaryversions. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from anglport@con2.com Sat Sep 5 06:34:36 1998 Subject: Re: 2 pc vs. 3 pc Davy,You're crazy............I LIKE that in my friends and acquaintances! How doyou portage your scotch, in a catheter bag? It's pretty early in the morninghere and I must be a bit groggy; why is a bad limp "the most effectivemeansof birth control"? As to the wandering-off excuse, it might be worth a fewpfennigs to build a data base on that subject for when we might need aquickretort to an inquiring spouse.Keep on hobbling,Art At 10:05 PM 9/4/98 -0700, you wrote:Dear Chris Several good points. And multi-section rods definitely have their uses. I must, however, offer a different approach to a couple of these problems.The first thing is: develop a bad limp. Besides being the world's mosteffective means of birth control, this will enable you to get acane/crutch.Mine is about 4 1/2 feet long, tubular aluminum with a custom fittedhandle,a thick neoprene foot and an underarm cradle fitted to the clever screw-oncap. Everybody knows what is inside the tube, but it's difficult for my goodChristian cohabitants to begrudge a poor old cripple the means to hobbleover steep, rock strewn mountain trails, especially if these trails are 3or4 miles long. Flight attendants have this much in common withChristians.They will be extremely cool so long as you don't use your "crutch" to clearthe aisle well before the plane is stopped at the Juneau terminal. Exactly how you explain yourself after disappearing into the interior ofNorthern British Columbia for a few weeks will have to be the subject ofafuture dissertation; and I'll probably need some money for that one. Butit'd be well to start developing a history of sleepwalking as soon aspossible. And get a longer coat. Dead serious,Davy -----Original Message-----From: CHRISTOPHER C MCDOWELL Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 4:48 PMSubject: RE: 2 pc vs. 3 pc Here's my opinions. Various configurations allow you to justify morerodsin the stable, right? For example, with a 7' 4wt. rod you need a twopiece overhead compartment of an airplane for those weekend getaways toexoticplaces. Perhaps even a four piece version that will slide into yourbackpack to avoid catching branches when on the trail. Finally for theflyfisher who has it all, a five piece version that can be smuggled past yourspouse by tucking it into your sock under your pantleg for those familyvacations when you promised fly fishing would not be a distraction. Of the rods I have fished and cast I prefer two piece rods over threepiecerods. Two piece rods are lighter, and the bamboo is not inhibited by anextra ferrule area. Three piece rods have an advantage in portability,especially with airline travel or pack in trips. I think some fly fisherslike the tradition of a three piece rod, and we all know that shortclassicera three piece rods are rare in the marketplace so there is probably alean toward the items that seem scarce even if they are contemporaryversions. Chris McDowellmcdowellc@lanecc.edu from ljrp@penn.com Sat Sep 5 08:12:29 1998 Subject: Re: Jay Harvey Rod Next to the STEELERS the Bills are my favorite team!! Those fish do soundscaryI'm afraid I would have to use PLASTIC to tame them. Nice to talk Regards Dick bob maulucci wrote: Don,One of the nice things about Buffalo being a drinking town with afootballproblem, is that the streams are often abandoned on Sundays. The fallhere isvery good. 7-8 lb browns are pretty common and the chinook salmon run15lbs to??? I mean big scary fish.Take care,Bob Bob, I grew up in the WNY area - Orchard Park/Hamburg area. (or just downtheroad from the Bills stadium) Don Burns from cbogart@shentel.net Sat Sep 5 09:05:45 1998 Subject: Re: Straightening the tip after glueing Max Good recovery from a problem. But you may want to read my article on mastering the Garrison binderonthe RodmakersHomepage - it could help you eliminate the twists. I have had goodfeedback from anumber of rodmakers that it has helped a lot and solved their problems and they nowget theresults they had hoped for. If you have a well tuned binder you will have very little straighteningtodo. I have just finished a rod with a very fine tip of .052 and it came out just fine andneededno straightening. Chris On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:45:49 +0900, Max Satoh wrote: Hello list members, A topic for straightening twisted tip.I had difficulties to make a tip section straighten after glueing itusing Garrison's binder. Since tip is especially soft, the usage of Garrison binder with a rather heavier weight caused thetip be twistedwhile binding with glue. Since tip is thin enough, the efforts to correct the twist causedthe twisted portion to be more twisted easily toward opposite side and its shape became wavedlikezig-zag. Since my father was a tailor and I recalled my memory that he was pressing the clothes by iron tofinalize the surface of the jacket.Then, I pressed the zig-zag tip by electric iron with the highestheat setting over each flat of the twisted tip. It worked!Looking at the twisted portion carefully and ran the iron slowly overthe same flat trying to keep the same flat upward by the other hand (untwisting), the tip is straightenedperfectly. I applied the same thing on to the flat of butt, but it worked partly since it seems too thick foriron. The slow (longer) bend could not be straightened completely. Theportion had to be straightened hand or a leverage. The above is done after the binding thread, the dried gleu and thesurface of the enamel is filed out.I used a piece of straight wood (2 foot length) as an iron mat. Iron iseffective formid section too for 3 pieces. Iron works mainly on thin portion. Now I am pressing the planedsections by iron on the planing form in order to make each piece of sections be straight as much as possible before finalplaning and glueing. I hope this might help similar level of builder to me. Any comment and advice please, if there is more effective or easier wayespecially to straighten the butt section. Max Satohan Oriental builder Regards Chris from mwoodruf@globalnet.co.uk Sat Sep 5 10:32:28 1998 Subject: Updated Web Page With Photo's boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDD8EA.1A558100" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDD8EA.1A558100 Hi All,I have eventually managed to get my web pages into some sort of =order, on them you will find photo's of all the products Barry Grantham =of Lincoln has provided me with, if anyone is interested. There are also =a couple of links to companies who sepcialise in selling books on =fishing etc. Regards Mick.W www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~mwoodruf ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDD8EA.1A558100 Hi All, eventually = get my web pages into some sort of order, on them you will find photo's = the products Barry Grantham of Lincoln has provided me with, if anyone = interested. There are also a couple of links to companies who sepcialise = selling books on fishing etc. Regards Mick.W www.users.globalnet.c=o.uk/~mwoodruf ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDD8EA.1A558100-- from robert.kope@MCI2000.com Sat Sep 5 15:51:17 1998 with SMTP id forRODMAKERS@mail.wustl.edu;Sat, 5 Sep 1998 20:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: steel planing forms boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDD8D2.03400160" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDD8D2.03400160 I just finished my final planing forms following Thomas Penrose's =instructions and wanted to offer a few comments and a question. First - thank you Thomas. Without your excellent illustrated =instructions I would not have attempted constructing my own planing =forms. They turned out great. I did opt for a couple of Lawrence =Waldron's modifications; I used cap screws in place of shoulder bolts =and put 1/4" dowels at the stations instead of 3/16" dowels between the =stations. I did come across one piece of advice in the archives from several list =members when Thomas was making his planing forms last summer. This =advice didn't make it into the instructions, and it is important for =metalworking novices like me. I came across this about 24 hours after I =needed it: DON'T USE CHEAPO TAPS from THE HARDWARE STORE! They aretoo =brittle to tap threads in steel, and will rapidly fatigue and break. =(Also, the pilot hole for 5/16 x 18 threads should be 17/64", or a "G" =bit, rather than 1/4") I made this mistake and broke a tap off in hole #7 out of 30. I got a =tap extractor and broke the tines off of the extractor trying to back =the tap out from the bottom. This shattered the bottom of the tap and I =was left with about 1/4 inch piece of tap in the center of the hole. I =called a local machinist and was told there was little he could do that =I couldn't. His recommendation was to just pound on the tap with a =punch and a hammer. The tap was so brittle that this shattered the tap =and I had it out in a couple of minutes. However, there was a chip of =tap #1 lodged in the threads. This destroyed the threads on tap #2. I =got all the way to hole #10 before breaking tap #3. I was able to get =this one out with the tap extractor. That was when I discovered the =advice about hardware store taps in the archives. I got a good tap and =finished the remaining 20 holes without incident. Now for the question: What do you do about rust on the forms? I =already have rusty fingerprints all over my forms. I don't want to oil =the forms since that will contaminate the splines and impair adhesion =when they're glued up. Do you just live with the rust, or is my body =chemistry incompatible with steel? Thanks in advance for any advice. Robert Kope ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDD8D2.03400160 I just finished my final planing = Thomas Penrose's instructions and wanted to offer a few comments and question. excellent illustrated instructions I would not have attempted = Lawrence Waldron's modifications; I used cap screws in place of shoulder= and put 1/4" dowels at the stations instead of 3/16" dowels = the stations. I did come across one piece of = archives from several list members when Thomas was making his planing= 1/4") I made this mistake and broke atap = bottom of the tap and I was left with about 1/4 inch piece of tap in the = the remaining 20 holes without incident. do = the rust, or is my body chemistry incompatible with steel? Thanks in advance for any =advice. Robert =Kope ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDD8D2.03400160-- from lblan@provide.net Sat Sep 5 16:12:10 1998 Subject: RE: steel planing forms boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDD8F0.22C18360" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDD8F0.22C18360 Well........ I hope this reply isn't going out in html format...... hate towaste the bandwidth. Here goes..... The advice to break the tap out is good.... this method is endorsed in justabout every gunsmithing book I've read. I keep my forms waxed, using a high quality wax. I wipe them down when Iputthem back into the tube, and so far haven't had any real problems. I called a local machinist and was told there was little he could do that Icouldn't. His recommendation was to just pound on the tap with a punchand ahammer. The tap was so brittle that this shattered the tap and I hadit out in a couple of minutes. Now for the question:What do you do about rust on the forms? I already have rusty fingerprintsall over my forms. I don't want to oil the forms since that willcontaminatethe splines and impair adhesion when they're glued up. Do you just livewiththe rust, or is my body chemistry incompatible with steel? ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDD8F0.22C18360 Well........ I hope this reply isn't going out in html = to waste the bandwidth. Here goes..... advice to break the tap out is good.... this method is endorsed in just = every gunsmithing book I've read. my forms waxed, using a high quality wax. I wipe them down when I put = into the tube, and so far haven't had any real =problems. called a local machinist and was told there was little he could do that = couldn't. His recommendation was to just pound on the tap with a punch = hammer. The tap was so brittle that this shattered the tap and I had = in a couple of minutes. the question: you do about rust on the forms? I already have rusty fingerprints all = forms. I don't want to oil the forms since that will contaminate the = impair adhesion when they're glued up. Do you just live with the rust, = body chemistry incompatible with =steel? ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDD8F0.22C18360-- from maxs@geocities.co.jp Sat Sep 5 18:34:35 1998 geocities.co.jp (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26124 for; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:34:31 +0900 (JST) Subject: Re: Straightening the tip after glueing Chris and Rick, Thanks both of you for nice advices to tune Garrison type binder.I looked into the rodmakers page and found the articles and gifs ofyours.I also appreciate your contribution to rodmakers page on your articlesand tapers. Rodmakers page is really the center of crafter's world. I hope I can be free from the twist next time in binding by youradvices.. Best Regards,-- Max Satohan Oriental Bamboo Fly Rod Crafteremail:maxs@geocities.co.jp from stpete@netten.net Sat Sep 5 21:06:20 1998 cedar.netten.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA11589 for Subject: Re: steel planing forms Robert and list members about to make forms, I made forms also and was fortunate enough to get good advice frommachinists prior to construction. I was advised and used an "F" drill When drilling the metal, buy good bits and use 'TAP-IT' or some otherquality drilling/tapping/cutting fluid. Use it for tapping as well. Itmakes a huge difference in ease of cutting and drilling. I would second the advice about buying GOOD taps. I had bought a good4- flute tap and a machinist advised that I use a 2-flute. I startedeach hole about a 1/4" in with the 4-flute to make it easier to keep thebit square to the hole and then used the 2-flute tap to cut the threads.WOW! It was much easier with the 2-flute and I rarely had to back up thetap to clear it of cutting debris. In fact, most cuts resulted in longintact spirals of steel being ejected up the tap. This was my firsttime ever to tap and thread steel and I had no problems or brokenthreads or taps. The biggest problem I had was keeping the steel supported squarely whileI was drilling the holes. I had shimmed the vise on the drill press sothat from top to bottom on the forms the holes are square. But as I getnearer the ends of the forms, the supports I used gave a litte under theweight of the 6 foot forms and C-clamps and the angle of the holes isslightly off in the lengthwise direction of the forms, going from 90* inthe center of the forms to about 89* and 91* on either end. Another thing. I was told to drill undersized holes and REAM the dowelpin holes. I wish I had taken this advice. The forms seem accurate andfine, but you can tell the pins have some play in them. Lastly, I resorted to the use of the block and 60* lathe tool I made formy wooden forms ala Bruce Conner (see his FAQ sheet via Rodmakers). Ifound the lathe tool cut well if adjusted frequently so as not to take abit bite and as an added benefit, you only have to set the forms ONCE! If you don't have steel forms and are quaking at the thought of spendingthe $$ for well made ones, this is not difficult work - but it does takesome time. Go for it! Just don't rush and measure twice - cut once. Rick Crenshaw robert.kope wrote: I did come across one piece of advice in the archives from severallist members when Thomas was making his planing forms last summer.This advice didn't make it into the instructions, and it is important after I needed it: DON'T USE CHEAPO TAPS from THE HARDWARE STORE!They are too brittle to tap threads in steel, and will rapidly fatigueand break. (Also, the pilot hole for 5/16 x 18 threads should be17/64", or a "G" bit, rather than 1/4") I made this mistake and broke a tap off in hole #7 out of 30. I got atap extractor and broke the tines off of the extractor trying to backthe tap out from the bottom. This shattered the bottom of the tap andI was left with about 1/4 inch piece of tap in the center of thehole. I called a local machinist and was told there was little hecould do that I couldn't. His recommendation was to just pound on thetap with a punch and a hammer. The tap was so brittle that thisshattered the tap and I had it out in a couple of minutes. However,there was a chip of tap #1 lodged in the threads. This destroyed thethreads on tap #2. I got all the way to hole #10 before breaking tap#3. I was able to get this one out with the tap extractor. That waswhen I discovered the advice about hardware store taps in thearchives. I got a good tap and finished the remaining 20 holeswithout incident. Now for the question: What do you do about rust on the forms? Ialready have rusty fingerprints all over my forms. I don't want tooil the forms since that will contaminate the splines and impairadhesion when they're glued up. Do you just live with the rust, or ismy body chemistry incompatible with steel? Thanks in advance for any advice. Robert Kope from WayneCatt@aol.com Sun Sep 6 10:13:24 1998 Subject: Duh Thanks to the help of Larry Blan I have discovered that Hex98 any runsathigher screen resolutions - not 800x600 - hope to have fixed and uploaded-keep posted from gc.williams@MCIONE.com Sun Sep 6 16:47:36 1998 with ESMTP id forrodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:47:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Test This is a test....only a test.....if this were a real........ from morten@flash.net Sun Sep 6 19:44:12 1998 Subject: Re: Test Johan,It is Quiet because this is laborday weekend. I guess everybdy wentfishing. I'm still in the shop planing bamboo. Morten from Coclapro@aol.com Sun Sep 6 22:00:34 1998 Subject: Re: Test test for what???????????? I think I get an A from skeeter@sky.net Mon Sep 7 00:05:26 1998 Subject: rodmakers list Please unsubscribe from flyfisher@cmix.com Mon Sep 7 08:17:08 1998 Subject: Re: Jay Harvey Rod Bob, There used to be a fellow on R.O.F.F. that lived somewhere up in NiagaraCounty - he fished the lower Niagara River for big steelhead. Theysounded just like the fish you talk about too. Where do you go FF'ing - Cattaraugus (SP?) Creek? You should try to find yourself the 9' Heddon 2-3/4F rod taper (or getan original rod), it's a great WF8 rod. Don Burns from bobbo@buffnet.net Mon Sep 7 14:19:13 1998 bybuffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07455 for via smap(V2.0) Subject: Re: Jay Harvey Rod Dear Don:Yes, I have fished both the Niagara and Catt. The Catt is the better fallstream.It is a good producer of wild reproducing rainbows. They are smaller fish,butthey are very healthy and hard fighting. The Catt is very suceptible toblowouts. Unfortuneately, there are more times that it is unfishable thanfishable.(Proof of this is a lack of flyshops in the area.) The Niagara is a great April and May stream. The steeelhead there areferociousfighters because of the strong current there. If you can brave the wading,youcan catch several fish in an outing. Just keep watching for rising waterout ofthe hydroelectric plants dam. The best Fall streams for browns and salmon would be Oak Orchard Creek,18 MileCreek (Burt Dam), Johnson's Creek, and Sandy Creek. The first two arealwayscrowded, and the last two are great if you know where to go. The Catt andJohnsonare the better steelhead producers. The rest are better brown troutfisheries. As for rods, I just got a Winston 9' 2/1 8wt. that I am going to try a littleonsome of the brown and steelhead streams. I think it will be perfect forswingingthe spey flies that I like to fish. I will have to get the Heddon taper totry. Iam building my first rod this fall. It might be a good choice. Thanks,Bob At 06:16 AM 9/7/98 -0600, you wrote:Bob, There used to be a fellow on R.O.F.F. that lived somewhere up in NiagaraCounty - he fished the lower Niagara River for big steelhead. Theysounded just like the fish you talk about too. Where do you go FF'ing - Cattaraugus (SP?) Creek? You should try to find yourself the 9' Heddon 2-3/4F rod taper (or getan original rod), it's a great WF8 rod. Don Burns -----------------------------Bob Maulucci218 Wallace Ave.Buffalo, New York 14216716-836-8297 http://www.buffnet.net/~bobbo/welcome.htm "Establish a better reputation for honesty in your home community; thenyou wonthave to bring in dead fish to prove that your not a liar." - Kenneth Reid from Fallcreek9@aol.com Mon Sep 7 18:20:48 1998 Subject: Rodbuilder Search List: The following is from Jeff Wagner. If anyone can help, please e-mailmyself or Jeff direct @ JDW Rods@aol.comThanks,RTyree Pennington? If not can you post a request on the listserve to try to findtheguy for me. I just have a question for him. Thanks-jdw from LECLAIR123@aol.com Mon Sep 7 21:30:13 1998 Subject: Re: steel planing forms Robert,Another trick to remember if you ever braek off a tap.If you can get a little bit of Nitric Acid.Use an eye dropper,Drop a few drops into the hole,enough to cover the piece ofbroken tap.Let it sit for a few minutes.The nitric acid eatssteel.The harder the steel is, the faster it eats it.Being thatthe tap is made of a harder steel than the form,it will eat thetap first.Once the acid has eaten enough of the broken pieceof the tap,you can pick it out of the hole.Rince with alot ofwater to get all the acid out of the hole.I've used this trick more than once when drilling arifle for a scope.,during my thirty years of gunsmithing. Dave LeClairThe Fly and Rod Room from "drobert@agt.net"@agt.net Mon Sep 7 22:57:36 1998 (edtnps04.telusplanet.net release 220 ID# 0-51631U125000L125000S0V35) with SMTP id net Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo Herb Wilburn wrote: I just learned about bamboo rodmaking on the net and I think I might trytomake one. Has anyone tried growing their on bamboo? Would yourecommendthis? when is the right time to cut it? Anything would help. hwilburn@shentel.netunsubcribe from "drobert@agt.net"@agt.net Mon Sep 7 22:57:55 1998 (edtnps04.telusplanet.net release 220 ID# 0-51631U125000L125000S0V35) with SMTP id net Subject: Re: growing your own bamboo Robert Clarke wrote: Herb, this has come up before. Maybe Andy Royer or the Demarests wouldlike to respond, but I would think you are much better off buying what isavailable through one of them. I think you will have a much better resultthan what you could achieve here in the US. Tonkin cane, from what Iunderstand, needs special conditions that other types of bamboo may not,and you might have a hard time finding some to start with. Just mythoughts on it. Let the list know if you give it a try. Robert Clarkerclarke@eou.edu ----------From: Herb Wilburn Subject: growing your own bambooDate: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 4:08 PM I just learned about bamboo rodmaking on the net and I think I mig