From: "Darrell Lee" Subject: Re: Great WesternDate: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:15:37 -0700 So I presume the date is set for October 30, 31 in Bishop. I've volunteered to cook a batch of killer chili (IMHO) and I've ordered anew outdoor cast iron dutch oven for the occasion. Ray Gould brought up an excellent idea to put together a group order foritems at a gathering... perhaps some one would volunteer to handle agrouporder for ferrules or other items. 40% off? Sounds like something the lowvolume rod maker might be interested in... We didn't talk about any registration fees or the like... I know the othergatherings charge a fee, should we charge a fee and if so, what would it getus? How about a raffle prize of a set of forms, Lie-Nielsen plane orsomething interesting... Comments anyone? Volunteers for demos? Programs? Time is fast approaching... Darrell Lee -----Original Message-----From: charles irvine Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 7:05 PMSubject: Great Western Jeremy & All, Sorry to be tardy on this but am still in the process of moving fromBonita to Bishop and I only have E-mail in Bonita. Seems we have atleast 20+ interested in getting together and the last week or weekendofOct. is the preferred date, this conflicts with the gathering inMountain Home I believe but Guess we will go with it anyway. I nowneedsome ideas for a program if we want one and some help in getting itorganized otherwise we will all just fish and sit around discussing thevirtues of bamboo and those that build the rods. Any comments, ideas, program directors, etc. would be gratefullyaccepted. Tight Lines, Chuck _______________________________________________________________Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com from darrelll@earthlink.net Wed Aug 18 15:27:33 1999 Subject: Re: Great Western I don't know Eddie Perez but his machine sounds very interesting. If youcould have him contact me or Chuck Irvine, that would be great. I willcontinue to update the list as time draws near. I will post the minutia onmy web sites Rod Building Forum so that all posts will remain togetherandkeep from posting excessive posts on the Rodmakers list serv. My site is www.BambooRods.homepage.com and goto Forums, then RodBuildingand Restoration Forum. It wil also be posted in the Events & CalendarForum.All those planning to attend the 1st annual Great Western Gathering,pleasecheck out the Forums. Darrell -----Original Message----- Subject: Great Western Darrel- Thanks for stepping in on the coordination of the Western meeting.Have you considered asking Eddie Perez of Tuxedo Cane toattend/demonstrateat the gathering?I bought some cane from him about six months ago. He was veryinformativeregarding rod building and cane selection. At the time he was just gettingstarted selling rod making tools and components. He also showed me anautomated beveller that would allow him to program any final taper toachieve final dimensions.Interesting fellow and quite friendly.David KashubaFair Oaks CA _______________________________________________________________Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com from darrelll@earthlink.net Wed Aug 18 15:30:07 1999 Subject: Re: Great Western Sounds great, but Chuck is the Grand Pubah and since it will be at his newdigs, he might already have some of the equipment for demo... You mightchatwith him... Darrell-----Original Message----- ; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Great Western Darrell, I may be bringing an Oregon contingent, and would be happy tobringan oven, wrapper, or whatever is needed. May not be able to leave hereuntil the 28th or so, but I am really hoping to get there. Robert Clarkecathcreek@hotmail.com From: "Darrell Lee" Subject: Re: Great WesternDate: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:15:37 -0700 So I presume the date is set for October 30, 31 in Bishop. I've volunteered to cook a batch of killer chili (IMHO) and I've ordered anew outdoor cast iron dutch oven for the occasion. Ray Gould brought up an excellent idea to put together a group order foritems at a gathering... perhaps some one would volunteer to handle agrouporder for ferrules or other items. 40% off? Sounds like something thelowvolume rod maker might be interested in... We didn't talk about any registration fees or the like... I know the othergatherings charge a fee, should we charge a fee and if so, what would itgetus? How about a raffle prize of a set of forms, Lie-Nielsen plane orsomething interesting... Comments anyone? Volunteers for demos? Programs? Time is fast approaching... Darrell Lee -----Original Message-----From: charles irvine Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 7:05 PMSubject: Great Western Jeremy & All, Sorry to be tardy on this but am still in the process of moving fromBonita to Bishop and I only have E-mail in Bonita. Seems we have atleast 20+ interested in getting together and the last week or weekendofOct. is the preferred date, this conflicts with the gathering inMountain Home I believe but Guess we will go with it anyway. I nowneedsome ideas for a program if we want one and some help in getting itorganized otherwise we will all just fish and sit around discussing thevirtues of bamboo and those that build the rods. Any comments, ideas, program directors, etc. would be gratefullyaccepted. Tight Lines, Chuck _______________________________________________________________Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com from teekay35@interlynx.net Wed Aug 18 15:38:12 1999 Subject: Re: thread cracking I round off and feather the ferrule tab points so that the stresstransition between cane and ferrule is spread over the length of the tabs. Also, I start the thread 2, never more than 3, turns in front of theferrule tabs. I have yet to have a rod brought back to me with a "threadcrack". ----------From: Ray Gould Subject: thread crackingDate: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 11:26 AM Rodbuilders have long been plagued with "thread cracking" right at thetheend of the ferrule where the ferrule ends and the bamboo begins. It'sactually appears to be a crack in the varnish rather than a broken threadwhere the ferrule thread wrap transitions from the cane to the metalferrule. Often these cracks will not appear until the rod has been inservice for some while. What methods have you found to be successful inpreventing this?Ray from dmanders@telusplanet.net Wed Aug 18 15:39:07 1999 don") bysmtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id ; Wed, 18 Aug 199914:38:37 - 0600 Subject: Re: thread cracking At 08:26 AM 8/18/99 -0700, Ray Gould wrote:Rodbuilders have long been plagued with "thread cracking" right at the theend of the ferrule where the ferrule ends and the bamboo begins. It'sactually appears to be a crack in the varnish rather than a broken threadwhere the ferrule thread wrap transitions from the cane to the metalferrule. Often these cracks will not appear until the rod has been inservice for some while. What methods have you found to be successful inpreventing this?Ray Ray, You know I've heard of this problem but never experienced it. With theamount I fish my rods you would think that it would appear readily. Notyet. I've used various glues from hot melt to epoxy. Taper the ferrule tabsa lot over about 0.200'. Sorry Ray - can't help with this one other than I haven't been plagued yet. take care, Don from jik@foxinternet.net Wed Aug 18 16:53:12 1999 0700 Subject: Small child rod I want to build a fly rod for my neice who should be getting near oldenough to start learning how to fly fish. I think a small (6') polewould be necissary, but what kind of action would be best for her?What would be the best weight line for her to use etc... from hexagon@odyssee.net Wed Aug 18 17:07:47 1999 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Phillipson Ferrules Monel is a very hard material to draw.I purchased some monel welding rod which I annealed and had drawn intowire atwork.I watched it being drawn through the dies and it was a lot harder than acopperalloy (ns) I cannot imagine monel being deep drawn for ferrules.I acquired a large quantity of nickel silver strip earlier this year when thecompany I work for decided that they did not want to supply spares for theoldtelephone exchanges that they built years ago.I have a couple of hydraulic presses and need to get myself tooled up fordrawingferrules.A good drawn ferrule will take some beating. TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/18/99 2:52:32 AM, thramer@presys.com wrote: regarded as a cost cutting measure(which they are).>> AJ - Monel is a high nickel, low copper alloy, as opposed to nickel silver,which is high copper, low nickel. Monel is 2-3 times more expensive thannickel silver. I suspect Phillipson chose it because of it's ductility in thedrawing process. You are correct in saying that the drawn (stamped)ferruleswe see are a cost cutting measure and of diminished quality, but that isafunction of the tooling. There is no technical reason a superior ferrulecould not be made this way, but the tooling for a real close tolerance jobwould be prohibitive in the small quantities of ferrules used. Mostprecisionmetal stampers want to talk about millions of parts.As a point of interest, nickel and copper have the same crystallinestructureand can easily be alloyed in any combination. Monel was actuallydiscoveredas a natural alloy originally. People thought a new element had beendiscovered until someone figured it out. from hexagon@odyssee.net Wed Aug 18 17:13:00 1999 Subject: Re: Phillipson Ferrules Wrong, Monel is almost pure nickel and it aint green. Canerods@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/17/99 7:52:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,thramer@presys.com writes: The Phillipson ferrules are not nickel silver but a related alloy calledMonel. No zinc in it from what I understand. Not a greasy feeling and itdoes not blue( although I think Dave LeClair could figure it out). Theyare also not machined ferrules as the other three suppliers are, theyare a drawn ferrule. Perfectly serviceable but they have always beenregarded as a cost cutting measure(which they are).A.J.Thramer AJ and All, Monel is a copper-nickel alloy, hence the slight green color to it. Sincethere's still some nickel in it, it should "slide" easily whenconnecting/disconnecting. Don Burns from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Wed Aug 18 18:18:01 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:17:41 -0500 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Small child rod Noah,I asked a very similar question this spring. I wanted to build a rod though, than an eight year old niece.I wound up building a 7'6" 5 weight Payne 101 taper for him. He fellin love with it when, after 15 minutes of casting instruction, heactually caught about a 12" rainbow on his very first cast. Maybe therewas a little magic in that rod, or in the little caterpillar fly I tied I have to admit, that's fast becoming one of my favorite tapers.Richard Tyree suggested that I add a little length in order to keep theline, and hook, a little farther above the child's head. You mightconsider the same thing.But getting it light enough for an eight-year-old is going to betough. Harry Noah Roberts (jik-) wrote: I want to build a fly rod for my neice who should be getting near oldenough to start learning how to fly fish. I think a small (6') polewould be necissary, but what kind of action would be best for her?What would be the best weight line for her to use etc... from rmoon@ida.net Wed Aug 18 18:23:06 1999 0000 Subject: Re: Epon/Versamid B06F59F3FD53B87837F88B67" --------------B06F59F3FD53B87837F88B67 Steve I just received the following from Bingham. I had told him thewhole story of the epoxy I had once bought from him and he confirms itis the same. Thank you for your e-mail. Yes it is the same Epon Versimid as always. We are at: 1350 Hinckley Drive, Ogden, Utah.1 801 399 3470 Still across from the airport. Sincerely, Gary "Gary L. Peterson" As I recall a 1 1/2pt unit runs aboout $16.50 --------------B06F59F3FD53B87837F88B67 the whole story of the epoxy I had once bought from him and he confirmsit is the same. Versimidas always. We are at: 1350 Hinckley Drive, Ogden, Utah.1 801 399 3470 Still across from the airport. Sincerely, Gary "Gary L. Peterson" <gary@binghamprojects.com> As I recall a 1 1/2pt unit runs aboout $16.50 --------------B06F59F3FD53B87837F88B67-- from jik@foxinternet.net Wed Aug 18 18:39:19 1999 0700 Subject: Re: Small child rod Harry Boyd writes:But getting it light enough for an eight-year-old is going to betough. She is 4 1/2. I figure getting her some practice before she turns 5ought to give her enough to start fishing soon. from TSmithwick@aol.com Wed Aug 18 18:50:53 1999 Subject: Re: Re: Phillipson Ferrules rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu In a message dated 8/18/99 10:07:51 PM, hexagon@odyssee.net wrote: That is why I like the idea of them. No solder joint to fail, and by the time you have them to size and shape they are well work hardened and should be wear and dent resistant.Monel is a ductile material and has fine drawing characteristics. It is certainly tougher than nickel silver, but that does not mean it can't be drawn. Trust me on this one, my real life job is selling metal to peoplewho stamp and draw it. I mostly sell stainless steel, which is even tougherthan monel, but people do very deep draws with it all the time. Take a look at a Parker Pen barrel next time you are in a stationery store. from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Wed Aug 18 19:39:14 1999 Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:39:52 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Re: thread cracking If you glue the ferrule in place, await the glue to harden then file theglue which has squeezed out between the serations and the actualferrule tabs to a feather edge and by feather edge I mean cigarettepaper thickness where the tabs contact the cane making a gradual risealong the ferule up to the point beyond the tabs where the thread willcover you should eliminate the cracking you describe. Tony Rodbuilders have long been plagued with "thread cracking" right at thetheend of the ferrule where the ferrule ends and the bamboo begins. It'sactually appears to be a crack in the varnish rather than a broken threadwhere the ferrule thread wrap transitions from the cane to the metalferrule. Often these cracks will not appear until the rod has been inservice for some while. What methods have you found to be successful inpreventing this?Ray /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Wed Aug 18 19:45:27 1999 Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:45:26 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Re: Small child rod Try a PHY Midge.Whatever you decide make it a good one because if she takes it seriouslylike rockclimbing friction boots and whitewater kayaks within a shortperiod of time she'll outgrow anything but good gear. Tony On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Noah Roberts (jik-) wrote: I want to build a fly rod for my neice who should be getting near oldenough to start learning how to fly fish. I think a small (6') polewould be necissary, but what kind of action would be best for her?What would be the best weight line for her to use etc... /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from Canerods@aol.com Wed Aug 18 20:42:50 1999 Subject: Drawn ferrules ... was Re: Phillipson Ferrules In a message dated 8/18/99 4:53:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, TSmithwick@aol.com writes: That is why I like the idea of them. No solder joint to fail, and by the time you have them to size and shape they are well work hardened and shouldbe wear and dent resistant.Monel is a ductile material and has fine drawing characteristics. It is certainly tougher than nickel silver, but that does not mean it can't be drawn. Trust me on this one, my real life job is selling metal to people who stamp and draw it. I mostly sell stainless steel, which is even tougher than monel, but people do very deep draws with it all the time. Take a look at a Parker Pen barrel next time you are in a stationery store. Anyone know of a company that would make drawn ferrules? Don B. from Canerods@aol.com Wed Aug 18 20:42:51 1999 Subject: Re: Phillipson Ferrules In a message dated 8/18/99 3:15:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hexagon@odyssee.net writes: Wrong, Monel is almost pure nickel and it aint green. The monel heat exchanger that was used to cool the main engines on thenaval ship I was crewmember of had a slight greenish tint - not green, just ahaze. I guess we didn't polish it enough. Don B. from darrelll@earthlink.net Wed Aug 18 20:55:58 1999 Subject: Re: Drawn ferrules ... was Re: Phillipson Ferrules Don, If you find some... I need the females for a Heddon 8' 3/2... Darrell Heck, I'd settle for one female right now...-----Original Message----- Subject: Drawn ferrules ... was Re: Phillipson Ferrules In a message dated 8/18/99 4:53:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,TSmithwick@aol.com writes: That is why I like the idea of them. No solder joint to fail, and by thetime you have them to size and shape they are well work hardened andshouldbewear and dent resistant.Monel is a ductile material and has fine drawing characteristics. It iscertainly tougher than nickel silver, but that does not mean it can't bedrawn. Trust me on this one, my real life job is selling metal to peoplewho stamp and draw it. I mostly sell stainless steel, which is even tougherthan monel, but people do very deep draws with it all the time. Take a lookataParker Pen barrel next time you are in a stationery store. Anyone know of a company that would make drawn ferrules? Don B. from sats@gte.net Wed Aug 18 21:11:08 1999 Subject: Re: thread cracking At 08:26 AM 8/18/99 -0700, Ray Gould wrote:Rodbuilders have long been plagued with "thread cracking" right at thetheend of the ferrule where the ferrule ends and the bamboo begins. It'sactually appears to be a crack in the varnish rather than a broken threadwhere the ferrule thread wrap transitions from the cane to the metalferrule. Often these cracks will not appear until the rod has been inservice for some while. What methods have you found to be successful inpreventing this?Ray Ray, You know I've heard of this problem but never experienced it. With theamount I fish my rods you would think that it would appear readily. Notyet. I've used various glues from hot melt to epoxy. Taper the ferrule tabsa lot over about 0.200'. Sorry Ray - can't help with this one other than I haven't been plagued yet. I just ran into the problem. I believe that it's caused by improperseating/selection of the ferrule. It was the female on the butt section. On close examination I noted therod'stepped down' to accept the ferrule. This caused the butt to be 'stiff' andthe ferrule to 'wiggle.' Ideally the ferrule will simply pass the energy ofthe cast through to the butt section. If the butt section is too ridged, theenergy will cause the ferrule to move. where the two come togetherbamboooutside the diameter of the ferrule is useless and actually weakens therod atthat point. This can be nothing, or it can be serious. In my case I was casting the rod80ft+ to stressing the rod to 'find it's limits.' I did. The butt section snapped right at the ferrule. A lesson I haven't learnedyet. Make sure the ferrules are the correct size for the dimensions of therodand make sure they are seated VERY well. Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from mschaffer@mindspring.com Wed Aug 18 21:59:15 1999 Subject: Casting NS Question for the'metalmen' of the list:Can nickle silver be cast, and if so, what is the melting temp?With all the talk lately, I was wondering about this.Thanks, Mike from irish-george@pacbell.net Thu Aug 19 01:26:08 1999 Subject: Re: NS Ferrules Ray,A bit too generous with the nickel in nickel silver. The type rodmakerslike, C752, is 18% nickel. Then there is a 12% version. I believe thatthere is also a 6% version. There are varieties with a small amount ofleadadded (without diminishing nickel content). Only once did I ever runacrossa mention of a nickel silver with >18% nickel content. George Bourke -----Original Message----- Subject: NS Ferrules Hi David,Two excellent sources for nickel silver ferrules are: Classic SportingEnterprises and Angler's Workshop (Woodland, WA). One advantage ofbuyingthe CSE ferrules is that you can purchase them already fitted (for anextrafee). These are high quality ferrules and widely used. One way to get theprice down is to place a single large order put together at one of thebamboo rod building workshops and coordinated by a single person. We'vedone this for years now at the Corbett Lake biennial workshop resultingina 40% discount.In regards to the Monel discussion, it too is a strong corrosion resistantnickel alloy material. Monel contains 60-70%nickel, 26-36% copper, 1-3%iron and small percentages of manganese, silicon and carbon. A specialtypeof monel known as "K" Monel" has 2-4% aluminum added to the alloy sothatit may be heat treated. Nickel silver on the other hand is a group ofalloys containing about 55 % copper, 25 % nickel and 20% zinc.My own experience with CSE ferrules has been very satisfactory.Ray from irish-george@pacbell.net Thu Aug 19 01:32:21 1999 Subject: Re: thread cracking I, too, have never had this happen. I taper the edges of the ferrule anduse spar varnish on the wraps (maybe your varnish needs to be a bit moreflexible?). George Bourke -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: thread cracking At 08:26 AM 8/18/99 -0700, Ray Gould wrote:Rodbuilders have long been plagued with "thread cracking" right at thetheend of the ferrule where the ferrule ends and the bamboo begins. It'sactually appears to be a crack in the varnish rather than a broken threadwhere the ferrule thread wrap transitions from the cane to the metalferrule. Often these cracks will not appear until the rod has been inservice for some while. What methods have you found to be successful inpreventing this?Ray Ray, You know I've heard of this problem but never experienced it. With theamount I fish my rods you would think that it would appear readily. Notyet. I've used various glues from hot melt to epoxy. Taper the ferrule tabsa lot over about 0.200'.Sorry Ray - can't help with this one other than I haven't been plagued yet. take care, Don from dhaftel@att.com Thu Aug 19 08:10:35 1999 JAA00882; (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1sol2) (5.5.2448.0) Subject: IRC chat anyone??? Hi Folks, Would anyone be interested in a chat about bamboo rodmaking? If so,there'sa place for us! Point your browser to http://irc.direct-pest.com port6667.When you get there type: /join #Bamboo. The server will be up Sunday evening at 8:00PM EDT. Any takers?? Dennis HaftelAlternate Platform TestingPhone: 732.805.2714Pager: 908.261.1944email: dhaftel@att.com from RMargiotta@aol.com Thu Aug 19 15:23:51 1999 Subject: Naphtha as a varnish thinner Does anyone have any experience using naphtha as a thinner for either sparor urethane varnish? Seems like it should work fine being a petroleum distillate but it has a higher evaporation rate than mineral spirits,thereby reducing drying time. --Rich from Canerods@aol.com Thu Aug 19 17:47:53 1999 Subject: Broken ferrule plus Dave LeClair - where are you? All, I just received a rod that has the male sleeve of the tip ferrule broken off (including the end of the bamboo tip too) and stuck in the mid's female ferrule. Any quick and easy methods of extracting said little bugger? Also, has Dave LeClair signed off the list? I guess I missed that. I emailed him about a week ago and haven't heard back. Don Burns from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Thu Aug 19 17:58:45 1999 16:12:20 PDT Subject: RE: Small Child Rod I know it varies from child to child, but 4 1/2 is definitely young, so you'll need to have lot's of patience. Your neice may do just fine though. My 6 year old son wants to cast, but isn't all that interested in letting me instruct him. He gets out the rod, steps out into the front yard, and starts flailing, and he knows what he's doing by gosh, so stand back Dad and "just let me do it." He does O.K. but has trouble with the timing. On his first fishing trip he walked up to the rivers edge and proceeded to launch the line into the river, right over the top of a log jam. It didn't occur to him that this might be a problem. These are the sorts of things you have to live with and laugh at when teaching a very young child. My 10 year old daughter does very well. She casts a 6' 4 wt. Thramer taper very well and will listen to my advice on timing etc. and adjust her cast accordingly. She is definitely proud of the rod I made her, so you'll get a lot of mileage out of making a rod for your neice. I think very short rods are more difficult for anyone to learn on, including kids, and the advantage in scale wt. of a really short rod isn't probably great enough to overcome the difficulties in casting the short rod. Have fun and don't rush them, they seem to learn more on their own by watching,then if you try to "instruct" them. Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu from hexagon@odyssee.net Thu Aug 19 18:12:55 1999 Subject: Re: Phillipson Ferrules Monel requires the grain size to be very small for it to be malleable andthisdoes not just depend on annealing. Grain size is reduced by previous coldworkingonly and with just the right amount of annealing to soften the materialwithoutincreasing the grain size. Too much annealing increases the grain size.Most of us that work in our basements would find this just too tricky. TSmithwick@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/18/99 10:07:51 PM, hexagon@odyssee.net wrote: That is why I like the idea of them. No solder joint to fail, and by thetimeyou have them to size and shape they are well work hardened and shouldbewear and dent resistant.Monel is a ductile material and has fine drawing characteristics. It iscertainly tougher than nickel silver, but that does not mean it can't bedrawn. Trust me on this one, my real life job is selling metal to peoplewhostamp and draw it. I mostly sell stainless steel, which is even tougherthanmonel, but people do very deep draws with it all the time. Take a look ataParker Pen barrel next time you are in a stationery store. from channer@hubwest.com Thu Aug 19 18:17:57 1999 (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0F3121C014C; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:19:15 MST Subject: Re: Broken ferrule plus Dave LeClair - where are you? At 06:46 PM 08/19/1999 EDT, Canerods@aol.com wrote:All, I just received a rod that has the male sleeve of the tip ferrule brokenoff (including the end of the bamboo tip too) and stuck in the mid's female ferrule. Any quick and easy methods of extracting said little bugger? Also, has Dave LeClair signed off the list? I guess I missed that. Iemailed him about a week ago and haven't heard back. Don Burns Don;I have use the old hole thru a piece of wood trick for this problem. Take ascrap of wood, drill a hole in it the size of the o.d. of the part of theferrule you need to get a hold of, then split or cut it thru the hole, thenyou can put it around the ferrule and grab it with a pair of pliers andpulld them apart, sometimes a little heat helps.John from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Thu Aug 19 18:40:48 1999 16:54:12 PDT Subject: Re: Broken ferrule plus Dave LeClair - where are you? Don, If the male slide and bamboo piece is broke off pretty much flush with the top of the female ferrule, you might try drilling the bamboo with a small bit, then screwing in a wood screw to get a grip with, and then try pulling it out. I assume the broken off male piece should slide out if not to corroded. Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu from jfreeman@cyberport.com Thu Aug 19 19:01:06 1999 Subject: Re: Other bamboo William, I'm originaly from North Carolina. Back in the 50's, people startedplanting bamboo as a screen between yards. Well, the stuff spreads so fastthat the people on all side of the growers end up fighting those wonderfulrhizomes you're talking about. If you don't keep it under control, it'lltake over the world! I've seen some real "range wars" start up over thestuff. Digging up the rhizomes was one of those wonderful jobs that Dadgave out similiar to taking out the garbage and cutting the grass. Justlove the stuff! Jim ---------- Subject: Re: Other bamboo Noah, I'm interested in the same thing, but I believe one will only learn bytrying. I have planted six different species of Phyllostachys (Nuda,Congesta, Vivax, Rubromarginata, Aureosulcata and Spectabilis) here insouthcentral PA (a zone 6a climate). All these species I'm told, are hardydown to around -10F so they should do alright. I don't know if any of myplants will develop culms suitable for building, but I don't really care inthe end. I just love to see the stuff, and want to develop some groves onmy property for aesthetic reasons. My own plants were about four feet tall when I planted them this pastApril, and all sent up new shoots that now range from six to ten feet tall.Each fall the plants will send out new rhizomes, and each spring theresulting new shoots should increase in diameter and height until theplantreaches maturity (about four-to-six years, depending upon species,climateand soil). The culms that may be useful would be those emerging onlyfromthe mature plant, but I understand that even these will need to become atleast four years old to develop their maximum wall thickness andstrength. Some sort of marking system on the culms themselves needs to be devisedinorder to keep track of each year's "production." As to the suitability of any given species, I suppose the determiningfactors would be (in addition to one's own, local, growing conditions):the depth of the groove (sulcus) between each node, the number of branches at each node (below ten to twelve feet)the diameter of the culmthe distance between nodes and their own growth characteristicsthe density, elasticity and overall thickness of fibers in outer wall. You mention the "black" bamboo, but I have read that all three varieties(Nigra, Bory and Henon) would survive winter temps. only down to +5F. Thatis, although the plant structure may loose its leaves after enduring suchtemps, and some culms may die back, the root system would survive tosendup healthy new shoots in the following spring. And, too, I believe thatthe beautiful black color of the Nigra is probably only an attribute of theenamel--that is, only "skin deep." All three of the "black" bamboos,however, are reputed to have excellent "wood" characteristics. Apparently there are several species of bamboo that develop excellent"wood" or "timber" qualities, but not all of them are hardy in oursomewhatnorthern climates (say, north of Zone 6b). And, again, I have read that many of the tall "timber" species do not develop theirmaximum strength, wall thickness and height when introduced toincreasinglynorthern climates--even though they may thrive well in other ways. Are there any other builders out there who have messed around with theirown little groves of bamboo? cheers, Bill -----Original Message----- Subject: Other bamboo Has anyone tried out the other types of bamboo? Seems to me that the"Black" bamboo (Phyllostachys nigra) would make a very nice lookingpole. Its also a tall bamboo and listed at one site as a "timber"bamboo. I am wondering why Tonkin has been used exclusivly it seems. Also, has anyone tried to grow their own? Some varieties can grow indownright cold weather...take Black for instance, minimum temp is 0deg. How long does it take to grow a bamboo culm of say 20'? from thramer@presys.com Thu Aug 19 20:24:42 1999 0000 Subject: Naptha Also known as VM&P (varnish makers and painters) naptha. It works finein small amounts.A.J.Thramer from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Thu Aug 19 20:32:42 1999 batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id UAA31450 for (8.8.4/8.6.8) withSMTP id UAA12989 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 Subject: stuck ferrule I want to thank whomever it was that posted the "first ice, then heat"trick for stuck ferrules. I was fishing last evening in a fine drizzle,and when I got back to the car the ferrule wouldn't budge. How humidwas it? Well the slip ring on the reel seat wouldn't budge either.I had to wack it loose with the pliers. Tonight the ferrule still wouldn't budge but I put a bag of ice on it No danger of pulling off a ferrule or slipping and ending with a guide foot jabbed into the base of your thumb, both of which I've done. First ice, then heat; just like treating a sprain. I'm going to dress this ferrule just a little more.........................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. from DBurrill@telehub.net Fri Aug 20 01:33:52 1999 Subject: RE: Broken ferrule plus Dave LeClair - where are you? Dave LeClair is fishing in B.C. He'll be back soon. -----Original Message----- Subject: Broken ferrule plus Dave LeClair - where are you? All, I just received a rod that has the male sleeve of the tip ferrule broken off (including the end of the bamboo tip too) and stuck in the mid's female ferrule. Any quick and easy methods of extracting said little bugger? Also, has Dave LeClair signed off the list? I guess I missed that. I emailed him about a week ago and haven't heard back. Don Burns from rsgould@cmc.net Fri Aug 20 01:38:19 1999 Subject: Broken ferrule Hi Don,Another solution to the problem is similar but a little different from theone Chris posted. Drill a hole in the cane piece and then tap it with afine thread tap. Make the hole fairly deep but be careful not to hit metal.Then screw in a steel machine screw matching the tap size and pull outthebroken stub. Hopefully the male ferrule piece will come out with thebamboo, if not you've got another problem.Ray from utzerath@execpc.com Fri Aug 20 06:04:42 1999 Subject: Refinishing and labels question boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEEAD1.A1C41800" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEEAD1.A1C41800 What is the best way to remove old varnish around inscriptions and/or =decals when refinishing? 1. Should I remove old finish up close to the =original label? 2. Should I try to remove the surface layer of old =finish over the labels? 3. Should I try to blend the older darker =varnish into the new or should I leave it obvious that this is a section =of original finish? Neither Sinclair's nor Kirkfields's restoration books have much to say =on the subject (though Kirkfield talks about re-inking inscriptions = There are some restoring sites starting up but they don't seem very =active yet; maybe some of you have opinions concerning the ethics of =original labeling. Thanks for your help on this earlier questions. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEEAD1.A1C41800 What is the best way to removeold = try to blend the older darker varnish into the new or should I leave it = that this is a section of original finish? Neither Sinclair's nor Kirkfields's= books have much to say on the subject (though Kirkfield talks about = There are some restoring sites starting up but they= very active yet; maybe some of you have opinions concerning the ethics = questions. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEEAD1.A1C41800-- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 20 07:49:46 1999 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: a question of colour Does anybody know if the silk Anglers Workshop call Chinese Red is aboutright for the silk colour to try matching the "old" bamboo rods?Specificaly the Hardys? TIA Tony /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from leroyt@involved.com Fri Aug 20 09:56:00 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61049U4500L450S0V35)with SMTP id com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:55:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Naphtha as a varnish thinner Have used it all the time with a urethane type varnishes. You are right itdoes cause the varnish to dry or cure a little quicker and is a betterthinner than mineral spirits due to the fact that it is distilled a closertolerances than mineral thinner as mineral thinner is some what of agenericto product.Another trick to try if you need to speed up urethane's, is to use a goodgrade of automotive lacquer thinner in small amounts, such as a DTL- 16.Good luck, leroy................----- Original Message ----- Subject: Naphtha as a varnish thinner Does anyone have any experience using naphtha as a thinner for eithersparorurethane varnish? Seems like it should work fine being a petroleumdistillate but it has a higher evaporation rate than mineral spirits,therebyreducing drying time. --Rich from rsgould@cmc.net Fri Aug 20 10:52:07 1999 Subject: labels and fables Hi Jim,My recommendation for working with old rod decals is to first determineifthere actually is a finish coat over the decal, in many cases there is not,the decal was put on as a final operation. To protect the decal put a coatof varnish over it before doing anything else. When it is dry then mask offthe area and remove the finish from the rest of the rod. Then remove themasking tape carefully and carefully remove the finish right up to theborder of the decal using a razor blade or sharp knife. Don't try to removeany finish already on the decal itself.Inscriptions are another matter. Usually inkwork has varnish over it. Ifso, my suggestion here is to mask off the inscription area and remove thefinish on the rest of the rod. Then remove the masking and feather off thefinish around the inscription using steel wool. This may leave somediscoloration in that spot but most customers recognize the vale of theoriginal inscription and want it left alone. If you're going to try to copythe inscription back onto the rod after removing it a close up photographwith some size and location measurements would be helpful. If theinkworkinscription has some lettering that is damaged you may wish to restorethose missing pieces only and if so try to match the inkwork color and linewidth.I suspect there are several schools of thought about how to remove the oldfinish on the rod, I usually use a varnish remover and steel wool to takeoff the old finish and have had no trouble doing so.Ray from rcurry@ttlc.net Fri Aug 20 13:11:11 1999 (SMTPD32-5.01) id AAB1C3200C6; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:13:05 EDT Subject: message from Jayne,wife of Reed Dear Rodmakers: Reed has for many years enjoyed communicating with his fellowrodmakers and also in attending the Rodmakers getaway in Grayling,Mi.So, as his wife, I just wanted to let everyone know of the tragedy thathas struck with our daughter Rachel. She took her own life on August10th. She was only 19 and was dearly loved by Reed and myself andbrother Dan.I just felt that you would want to know....Sincerely,Jayne Curry from gholland@navsys.com Fri Aug 20 13:24:03 1999 Rodmakers Subject: RE: message from Jayne,wife of Reed So sorry to hear the news....the thoughts and prayers of my family will bewith you. Sincerely, Greg Holland -----Original Message----- Subject: message from Jayne,wife of Reed Dear Rodmakers: Reed has for many years enjoyed communicating with his fellowrodmakers and also in attending the Rodmakers getaway in Grayling,Mi.So, as his wife, I just wanted to let everyone know of the tragedy thathas struck with our daughter Rachel. She took her own life on August10th. She was only 19 and was dearly loved by Reed and myself andbrother Dan.I just felt that you would want to know....Sincerely,Jayne Curry from dhaftel@att.com Fri Aug 20 13:26:44 1999 OAA08199; (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1sol2) (5.5.2448.0) Subject: RE: message from Jayne,wife of Reed Jayne and Reed, My sincerest condolences. I'm not a religious person, but please know thatI'll be thinking of you and your family. Dennis -----Original Message----- Subject: message from Jayne,wife of Reed Dear Rodmakers: Reed has for many years enjoyed communicating with his fellowrodmakers and also in attending the Rodmakers getaway in Grayling,Mi.So, as his wife, I just wanted to let everyone know of the tragedy thathas struck with our daughter Rachel. She took her own life on August10th. She was only 19 and was dearly loved by Reed and myself andbrother Dan.I just felt that you would want to know....Sincerely,Jayne Curry from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Fri Aug 20 14:03:43 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:03:30 -0500 Subject: Re: message from Jayne,wife of Reed Jayne, and Reed,As the only minister on the Rodmakers List who speaks up, let me sharewith you that you're in our thoughts and prayers. Most would agree thatthere are few losses that match the tragedy of losing a child. Though wehave no idea of the depth of your pain, we do share in it.Nothing we can say will bring Rachel back, and that is what your heartlongs for. But in most instances where grief is deep, just knowing thatothers care, and that you're not alone, helps a little bit.Trust in your family, your God, and your friends. Among those friends,count on us as fellow rodmakers and their families.Sincerely,Rev. Dr. Harry Boyd, Jr. Reed Curry wrote: Dear Rodmakers: Reed has for many years enjoyed communicating with his fellowrodmakers and also in attending the Rodmakers getaway in Grayling,Mi.So, as his wife, I just wanted to let everyone know of the tragedy thathas struck with our daughter Rachel. She took her own life on August10th. She was only 19 and was dearly loved by Reed and myself andbrother Dan.I just felt that you would want to know....Sincerely,Jayne Curry from landeen@valley-internet.net Fri Aug 20 15:05:20 1999 0000 Subject: Ferrule sizes I am building a 7' 6" 3 pc 4wt rod and need some advice on whether or nottouse truncated ferrules or regular. I know that with packrods a lot ofrodmakers use truncated but this is my first 3pc and I have never usedthem.Am I better off sticking to regular sized. Thanks from DEMARALON@aol.com Fri Aug 20 15:29:44 1999 Subject: Jayne and Reed Curry's Address In case anyone is interested the Currys can be reached at RR#2, Box 468, Temple, NH 03084. Eileen Demarest from llohman@netzero.net Fri Aug 20 17:05:35 1999 oemcomputer)(209.245.9.136) Subject: Mystery rod I think this query may have been posted before but somehow I wastemporarilybumped from the list before any answers showed up--at least I hopesomeonehas answers as this is a request for an old man who is curious. This is an unmarked bamboo casting rod, 3 piece, 6' 10" long. It has nomaker i.d. I suspect it is at least 75 years old as it was owned by a manlong dead. He never went father afield than Colorado and Kansas so it waseither made in the area or imported. The interesting features are: grip wound with cork, stirrup type tops, 3loop coil type guides, AND a case that is unique. The case is a wood rodwith grooves to hold the sections. It opens like an umbrella. If anyone knows anything at all about such a rod you would make an oldergentleman awfully happy. Thanks, Lori ________________________________________________________NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you?Get your FREE Internet Access and Email athttp://www.netzero.net/download/index.html from jpsnbs@erols.com Fri Aug 20 17:53:34 1999 Subject: Deepest Sympathy Dear Mr. & Mrs. Curry,Your loss is felt by every parent. I am deeply saddened to hear of thistragedy. As the parent of six, 14-25 yoa, I can only offer my deepestsympathy. I can't imagine your pain.Sincerely, Joe Swam from sats@gte.net Sat Aug 21 07:08:02 1999 Subject: Writeing on rods. I woke up this morning, thinking about the recent thread about writing onrods. I suddenly realized that one answer is a fairly simple one. Plastichobbyistsuse very thin decal sheets. Most of these decal sheets are already printedandcut, However some come as a clear sheet. They cost about $1.00 or so asheet.Simply write the information on the decal, cut it out and apply it to therod.A final coat of finish will protect it. One suggestion. If you do this, there are various thickness of decals. theones used on RC aircraft are quite a bit thicker then those used on smaller"static" plastic models. I'd look for the thinner versions. Modelers also use special solutions to make the decals lay flat against themodel. A good modelers can make the film disappear. Saturday morning thoughts before heading for the lake. Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from leroyt@involved.com Sat Aug 21 09:41:13 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61049U4500L450S0V35)with SMTP id com; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:40:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Writeing on rods. Gee, that sounds like a lot of work to just sign your name on a rod. Why notjust use a Rotring Rapidoliner pen and do a nice neat job. No fuss.Good luck, Leroy----- Original Message ----- Subject: Writeing on rods. I woke up this morning, thinking about the recent thread about writing onrods. I suddenly realized that one answer is a fairly simple one. Plastichobbyistsuse very thin decal sheets. Most of these decal sheets are alreadyprinted andcut, However some come as a clear sheet. They cost about $1.00 or so asheet.Simply write the information on the decal, cut it out and apply it to therod.A final coat of finish will protect it. One suggestion. If you do this, there are various thickness of decals.theones used on RC aircraft are quite a bit thicker then those used onsmaller"static" plastic models. I'd look for the thinner versions. Modelers also use special solutions to make the decals lay flat againstthemodel. A good modelers can make the film disappear. Saturday morning thoughts before heading for the lake. Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from Canerods@aol.com Sat Aug 21 11:37:39 1999 Subject: Re: a question of colour In a message dated 8/20/99 5:54:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au writes: Does anybody know if the silk Anglers Workshop call Chinese Red isaboutright for the silk colour to try matching the "old" bamboo rods?Specificaly the Hardys? TIA Tony Tony, The Hardy that I've recently purchased is closer to Angler's #135 - butmany old rods do use the Chinese Red (#004) color. IMHO, Angeler's #5 and #004 are very hard to tell apart without readingthe label. Don Burns from irish-george@pacbell.net Sat Aug 21 16:10:03 1999 Subject: Re: Writeing on rods. The advantage of the decal is that you can screw up 1000 times and youdon'thave to do anything to the rod. You can make your own decal using sprayvarnish and the kind of tape that has water activated adhesive...just spraythe varnish on very thinly and let dry...then you can do 2nd - ?th coatshowever thick you wish...voila, clear decal material. George Bourke -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Writeing on rods. Gee, that sounds like a lot of work to just sign your name on a rod. Whynotjust use a Rotring Rapidoliner pen and do a nice neat job. No fuss.Good luck, Leroy----- Original Message -----From: Terry L. Kirkpatrick Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 6:00 AMSubject: Writeing on rods. I woke up this morning, thinking about the recent thread about writingonrods. I suddenly realized that one answer is a fairly simple one. Plastichobbyistsuse very thin decal sheets. Most of these decal sheets are alreadyprinted andcut, However some come as a clear sheet. They cost about $1.00 or so asheet.Simply write the information on the decal, cut it out and apply it to therod.A final coat of finish will protect it. One suggestion. If you do this, there are various thickness of decals.theones used on RC aircraft are quite a bit thicker then those used onsmaller"static" plastic models. I'd look for the thinner versions. Modelers also use special solutions to make the decals lay flat againstthemodel. A good modelers can make the film disappear. Saturday morning thoughts before heading for the lake. Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from cattanac@wmis.net Sat Aug 21 18:42:53 1999 mail4.wmis.net(8.8.8/SCO5) with SMTP id TAA15048 for ;Sat, 21 Aug 1999 Subject: Looking for picture - Hekp out here - I am looking for a picture of the troutbum toss from ayear ago - chris or somebody can you help out a digital version is all thatI need - response offlist would be appropiate from briancreek@crosswinds.net Sat Aug 21 20:45:43 1999 forged)) (envelope- from briancreek@crosswinds.net) ,dennis higham ,John Zimny , RODMAKERS,Russ , Russ Gooding ,"Sir D." , Steve Southard,Tom Morgan & Gerri Carlson ,Tony Smith , Wayne Cattanach Subject: e-mail My e-mail account dies a mysterious death.Please note my new e-mail address if I'm in your address book. If youhave received this in error, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. from ralph.shuey@redstone.army.mil Sun Aug 22 10:27:12 1999 Subject: RE: Orvis Madison Rod S/N "S-19" Identification Good Morning All; I purchased an Orvis 8'0" 6wt Madison at FFF Conclave and I'm havingdifficulty dating the rod as the only serial number is "S-19" adjacent toboth ferrules. The rod has the full Orvis (Orvis Impregnated, "Madison", 8'- 41/8oz, 6wt) inscription and the serial number was probably done at thesame time by the same hand. Only other difference is the reel seat; it isblack DL AL (total). Anyone out there have any information for this poor neophite??? Ralph Shuey from MLand02045@aol.com Sun Aug 22 10:33:06 1999 Subject: Beginner's questions I am new to rod building and trying to build my first graphite fly rod. I am getting conflicting information from books and other sources on the relationship of the snake eyes to the spline. Should the eyes be placed on the concave [i.e.; soft side] of the spline or the convex [i.e.; firm side] of the spline? Is there an advantage to either? Thanks from a beginner, Mike from darrelll@earthlink.net Sun Aug 22 14:04:20 1999 JAA22687 Subject: Re: a question of colour Don, Do a test wrap of the chinese red you got from me and see what you thinkofthe color. Of course due to aging, sun fading, varnish darkening, etc. evenif you use the same thread that was used on the rod, it will probably lookalittle different... I replaced a wrap on a Granger Aristocrat and the thread was the originalRice's thread and it looked much different because of the darkeningvarnish. A while back there was a thread (no pun intended) about matching varnishwith darkened varnish and I rewrapped a couple b/w jasper wraps usingthecorrect Rice's jasper on a Heddon #17. On the recommendation of a lister,Iadded an oil based stain to the varnish and the repair came out excellent. Iwas surprised how much stain I had to use as the varnish looked very darkinthe bottle and it took longer to dry, I gave a week before it was dry to thetouch. Had to play with differeent colors of stain. Darrellwww.bamboorods.homepage.com -----Original Message----- rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Subject: Re: a question of colour In a message dated 8/20/99 5:54:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au writes: Does anybody know if the silk Anglers Workshop call Chinese Red isaboutright for the silk colour to try matching the "old" bamboo rods?Specificaly the Hardys? TIA Tony Tony, The Hardy that I've recently purchased is closer to Angler's #135 - butmanyold rods do use the Chinese Red (#004) color. IMHO, Angeler's #5 and #004 are very hard to tell apart without readingthelabel. Don Burns from goodaple@tcac.net Sun Aug 22 15:27:03 1999 0500 Subject: testPL boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE831.2DF49DC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE831.2DF49DC0 Please disregard, this is only a test. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE831.2DF49DC0 test. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE831.2DF49DC0-- from cmj@post11.tele.dk Sun Aug 22 16:57:45 1999 (InterMail v4.0 201-221) with SMTP +0200 Subject: Computer breakdown -Due to a breakdown in my &/?!!!! computer I've lost lots of infogained through Rodmakers. Could someone PLEASE mail me the URL for downloadingWaynes Hexrod 98. Furthermore all e-mail adresses have disappeared. Richard Tyree,are You there? regards Carsten JorgensenDania Flyrods dania.flyrods@iname.com cmj@post11.tele.dk from jik@foxinternet.net Sun Aug 22 18:33:15 1999 Subject: Beginner's questions MLand02045@aol.com writes:I am new to rod building and trying to build my first graphite fly rod. Iam getting conflicting information from books and other sources on the relationship of the snake eyes to the spline. Should the eyes be placed on the concave [i.e.; soft side] of the spline or the convex [i.e.; firm side] of the spline? Is there an advantage toeither? Thanks from a beginner, Mike The way I saw it, for smaller fish the bend should be tward thewater. For stronger fish like in sea fishing and such, the bend goesto the back for added streingth. from rsgould@cmc.net Mon Aug 23 01:25:55 1999 Subject: Becoming Famous Hey Bret!Just wondering what a guy has to do to get a hurricane named after him.Ray from MLand02045@aol.com Mon Aug 23 06:21:45 1999 Subject: Re: Beginner's questions Thanks for all the information. I appreciate the help. Mike from jik@foxinternet.net Mon Aug 23 06:31:49 1999 0700 Subject: Becoming Famous Ray Gould writes:Hey Bret!Just wondering what a guy has to do to get a hurricane named after him.Ray Not much, you just have to be a real blow hard :P from Canerods@aol.com Mon Aug 23 08:56:27 1999 Subject: Re: Computer breakdown In a message dated 8/22/99 3:03:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cmj@post11.tele.dk writes: Are you running AOL's software too? Don Burns from Grhghlndr@aol.com Mon Aug 23 10:18:27 1999 Subject: Re: a question of colour rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Darrell,If you go to your local paint store you can probably buy some tint colors from them in small quantities. I use little jars that come with yourholiday gift packs of cheese and jellies for mine. This will only take a little bit of tint to change the varnish colors this way and wont effect the drying time. Just remember the tints are real strong so use sparingly. I do this all the time when I have to match woodwork in remodels on old housesaround here. We worked on one of the Studebaker mansions awhile back and I hadto match some old exotic wood on a repair using this method to add thepatina.Bret from amcsmith@nlis.net Mon Aug 23 12:13:56 1999 0400 Subject: test am i off the list or is it just slow from ralph.shuey@redstone.army.mil Mon Aug 23 12:35:32 1999 Subject: FW: Orvis Kit Rod............... -----Original Message----- Subject: Orvis Kit Rod............... Ken; Orvis had nothing, but told me to contact MartinKeane.................Brother Keane is of the opinion that the rod couldwell be very early production of the Madison, the funny serial no. (he hasseen these before........always a letter and a low digit number) and thedark cane indicate a pre-1955ish rod. After about a year or so Orvis mayhave decided to continue with the standard numbering series. His opinionisthat it is probably not a kit rod, and has seen the rods with all blackaluminum reel seats as production rods. Do you have any mid-50s Orvis catalogs? Might be interesting to tryand determine when they started the "Madison" line. Ralph from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Mon Aug 23 15:15:39 1999 NAA01514 (5.5.2448.0) Subject: quiet day Is everybody out fishing, I haven't seen anything come through all day. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from sats@gte.net Mon Aug 23 16:37:26 1999 Subject: Crackes a Ferrules A few days ago I confessed to having, not only cracks in my finish, butactuallybreaking a rod at the bamboo-female ferrule joint. I'm happy to report that I seem to have fixed the problem. Because therod isan experiment and not to be a present to a family member or friend, I'mnotworried about the butt section being 1" short. building,here goes. The fix was to take the butt section down to the diameter of the ferrule,sothere is no "step down" at the joint. Next I took .005 of the lower end ofthemid section, giving it a little more flex. I should point out that I taperedthe work over 14 to 18 inches of the rod. I then reduced the line size byone. The object was to reduce the stress (caused by flexing) both above andbelow theferrules. It seems to have worked. I fished the rod on Saturday and "yardCast" it again today. I examined the area around the ferrule and can findnoindication of movement. Removing bamboo both above and below the ferrule doesn't seem to havechangedthe actin of the rod much. Of course I haven't put the 6wt back on it. Imaytry that tomorrow. What is really interesting is that decreasing the diameter around thestressarea actually seems to have helped rather then hurt the rod! Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net from cmj@post11.tele.dk Mon Aug 23 17:15:08 1999 (InterMail v4.0 201-221) with SMTP +0200 Subject: Sv: Computer breakdown Thanks to all of You listmembers whoanswered my call of distress. Isn't this List just a marvellous thing? Thanks again Carsten Jorgensen from cmj@post11.tele.dk Mon Aug 23 17:24:28 1999 (InterMail v4.0 201-221) with SMTP +0200 Subject: Sv: Computer breakdown --Emne: Re: Computer breakdown In a message dated 8/22/99 3:03:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cmj@post11.tele.dk writes: Furthermore all e-mail adresses have disappeared. Richard Tyree,are You there? regards Carsten JorgensenDania Flyrods >> Are you running AOL's software too? Don Burns Don Dont need AOL to make f..-ups, am perfectlycapable of doing them myself :-( Carsten from goodaple@tcac.net Mon Aug 23 17:28:26 1999 Subject: test only boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BEE90B.485FC2E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BEE90B.485FC2E0 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BEE90B.485FC2E0 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BEE90B.485FC2E0-- from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Mon Aug 23 19:11:54 1999 Subject: Re: test You are still on the list. It's just slow. from dmanders@telusplanet.net Tue Aug 24 09:15:14 1999 don") bysmtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id ; Tue, 24 Aug 199908:14:53 - 0600 Subject: The Rod from Hell Tis a slow day so this seemed to be in order!!! Got an order from a guy in Oregon that was shipped May 28. Didn't arrive.Did a trace and found out it was being returned to shipper and the couriercompany would be able to tell me why within 2 days. Then they lost therod.Umpteen phone calls & mild threats did nothing. 20 days go by where therod could no longer be found. Got a call from the courier company tellingme that the rod would be delivered that day to the customer. He's in NewYork state. He arrives home to find that he only has one more deliverychance or the rod is being returned to the shipper. He frets and fumes andthe rod arrives. Calls me and tells me that now both tip tops aredestroyed. I call and he ships it back. The rod gets repaired, shipped andfinally arrives. Should be in Alaska by now for some fishing.The up side is the guy is pleased with his rod. The downside is a loss of $300.00 in shipping, phone calls, repair work, brokerage fees, exchangerates and so on. Submitted an insurance claim and have heard nothing.Makes a guy want to go "postal". Don from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Tue Aug 24 09:29:43 1999 HAA03831 (5.5.2448.0) test Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from saltwein@swbell.net Tue Aug 24 09:43:42 1999 (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7)with ESMTP id for Subject: test test from rmoon@ida.net Tue Aug 24 09:46:34 1999 0000 "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: bamboo Ralph Moon's As some of you may know Ralph has been having a lot of heart problemslately. They [dr's] have decided he has to have bypass surgery.Because he is high risk they will do the procedure in Salt Lake City. Iwill try and find someone in SLC to keep you updated. He has not beenable to do to much lately so the rod list has been great for him. Thankyou all. Now being a "computer dummy" how do I un subscribe to thelist until we get home? I know he won't want to miss the posts buthundreds of message will add stress and he will want to read them all.Thanks again ! The list has been a blessing the last few months from jpsnbs@erols.com Tue Aug 24 10:24:16 1999 Subject: Test Test only, it is slow or I've been bumped. from teekay35@interlynx.net Tue Aug 24 12:39:14 1999 Subject: Slow Day, or Am I Off the List? Haven't seen a message since yesterday. iS IT JUST A SSSLOW DAY? from watson@cape-consult.co.uk Tue Aug 24 14:10:40 1999 (BST) Subject: Test - Pls Ignore boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEE6C.9A8775C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEE6C.9A8775C0 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEE6C.9A8775C0 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEE6C.9A8775C0-- from eestlow@srminc.com Tue Aug 24 14:55:58 1999 Subject: Test 1999) at 08/24/9902:50:21 PM test, test from watson@cape-consult.co.uk Tue Aug 24 16:38:14 1999 (BST) boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEEE7E.85F57AA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEEE7E.85F57AA0 subscribe rodmakers ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEEE7E.85F57AA0 subscribe =rodmakers ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEEE7E.85F57AA0-- from watson@cape-consult.co.uk Tue Aug 24 16:38:17 1999 (BST) Subject: Book Search boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEEE7E.5C301EA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEEE7E.5C301EA0 Does anyone know if it is possible to find a copy of Prefaced Bya Dissertation on the Joys of Angling the Home Cultivationof Silkwormsand Suggestions on Landing Nets andother Equipment, andThe Angler's ?????(obscured) George Parker Hol???? M.D, F.A.C.Sprofusely illustrated. It was published by Derrydale Press, Lyon, Mississippi.On the facing page is a picture of three boys fishing, one seated, two =standing, titled The Foreunner of the Split BambooI have no date for it but as you should have guessed by now - its old!ThanksTim. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEEE7E.5C301EA0 Does anyone know if it is possible= copy of The Idyl of = the Split-Bamboo= A CarefullyDetailed = the Rod's Building, Prefaced =Bya Dissertation onthe = Anglingthere beingappended = Information on the Home = Silkwormsand Suggestionson = andother Equipment, =and ?????(obscured) George Parker Hol???? M.D, F.A.C.Sprofusely =illustrated. It was published by DerrydalePress, = Mississippi.On the facing page is a picture of= BambooI have nodate = you should have guessed by now - its old! ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEEE7E.5C301EA0-- from gholland@navsys.com Tue Aug 24 16:39:14 1999 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: test I have the same question....haven't gotten a message since this one -----Original Message----- Subject: test am i off the list or is it just slow from anglport@con2.com Tue Aug 24 17:46:21 1999 Subject: Test from channer@hubwest.com Tue Aug 24 18:35:15 1999 (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC993880140; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:36:57 MST Subject: test is there anybody out there? from amcsmith@nlis.net Tue Aug 24 20:14:06 1999 Subject: splicing strips as long as the list is slow is anybody on the list splicingstrips alla garrison's book, is it more important to makeall the strips out of the same culm than just substitutinga strip from another culm, and you nodless guys do you mixand match culms or stay with 1 culm 1 rodchris from amcsmith@nlis.net Tue Aug 24 20:14:08 1999 Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:17:12 -0400 Subject: RE: test just slowAt 02:56 PM 8/24/99 -0600, Greg Holland wrote:I have the same question....haven't gotten a message since this one -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 11:10 AM Subject: test am i off the list or is it just slow from sats@gte.net Tue Aug 24 20:42:33 1999 Subject: Re: Fishing Cane in Colorado Yesterday No way these cane can be damaged by a little waving action midstream. *G*Quite dramatic change from my gr**hite, and even MY cane. A very verysoft tip. I could have recited part of a Dumas story in between forwardand back casts. *VBG* But wonderful smooth musical cadence to it. WhenStu caught fish on it, the rod bent into smooth arc. "As a Scot and a Presbyterian, my father believed that man by naturewas amess and had fallen from an original state of grace. Somehow, I earlydevelopedthe notion that he had done this by falling from a tree. As for my father, Inever knew whether he believe God was a mathematician but he certainlybelievedGod could count and that only by picking up God's rhythms were we able toregainpower and beauty...."So my brother and I learned to cast Presbyterian style, on ametronome.It was mother's metronome,... She would occasionally peer down to thedock...wondering nervously whether (it) could float if it had to. when shebecame soover wrought that she thumped down the dock to reclaim it, my father would clapout the four-count rhythm with his cupped hands."Norman Maclean from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Aug 24 21:08:34 1999 Subject: Is the list down. Just checking, no messages today.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from dan_cooney@ibm.net Tue Aug 24 21:09:25 1999 out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA77450 for; Wed,25 Aug 1999 02:09:22 GMT Subject: Test Have not received anything in over 24 hrs. from Coclapro@aol.com Tue Aug 24 22:12:13 1999 Subject: sawing strips? I have been considering sawing strips with a band saw rather thansplitting. would appreciate any thoughts or experiences with sawing using abandsaw or whatever. it seems to me the process would be a lot easier , not having to spend as much time straightening etc.. .................Thanks,dave from irish-george@pacbell.net Tue Aug 24 23:23:48 1999 Subject: Test....(nmsg) boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEE76.F87AC6A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEE76.F87AC6A0 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEE76.F87AC6A0 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEE76.F87AC6A0-- from BambooRods@aol.com Wed Aug 25 09:48:35 1999 Subject: test do not open rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu test from cotner@novagate.com Wed Aug 25 10:26:59 1999 Subject: Test Just checking on the possibility of getting bounced offRoger Cotner from dryfly@erols.com Wed Aug 25 10:40:46 1999 Subject: Is it really this slow? Can it be true? from ralph.shuey@redstone.army.mil Wed Aug 25 11:32:56 1999 "'rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu'" Subject: RE: Orvis Madison Rod S/N "S-19" Identification Jim, Did so, both email and phone. Orvis stumped! They refered me toMartinKeane. Talked to Martin, who said "Yep, seen the letter/two digitdesignationS/N a couple times, may be from very early production, and then theydecided togo with normal serial numbers....." He also mis-spoke that he thoughtMadisonswere started circa mid-50s. Given that poop I went back to two of the "experts" that had writtenme.KKSmith and Rich Margiotta. Between the three of us we have put togetherthefollowing: 1) Madison introduced 1969/70 (tallies with legend #6line)2) Early Madison 6wt was 8'- 41/8oz (my rod); laterMadisons were 35/8oz and the 8' Battenkill was41/8oz.3) Dark cane is indicative of early rods.4) Black AL, DL/SL reel seats were in the Orvisinventory (catalog evidence). That is as far as we have gotten, without the Orvis records. If adonation to the Orvis efforts would help, I'm ready; but I really wonder iftheyhave anything without digging thru a bunch of obscure garbage from thelate'60s. I would be thrilled to hear that Wes hisself built the rod, but I kindofdoubt that even as good an old customer as myself rates them wastingthat manyman-hours digging. One of these days if I'm in Manchester............ Do any of the many experts on the list have anything to add? It's sortof interesting playing with the history of "first of a series"........Especially when the records are a little vague. Anybody out there seen anyofthe "s-19" type serial number series??? There is a suspicion that thiscould beeither a custom Orvis rod or just very early production. Comments??Ralph Shuey -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Orvis Madison Rod S/N "S-19" Identification ralph, write orvis. describe your rod serial number and all. i usually senda small donation earmarked for one of their conservation funds with theletter. usually they can tell you the day the rod was made and the guyswhomade it. i've done this for 4 or 5 orvis rods that i have owned over theyears. regards, jim wilcox-----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Orvis Madison Rod S/N "S-19" Identification Good Morning All; I purchased an Orvis 8'0" 6wt Madison at FFF Conclave and I'm havingdifficulty dating the rod as the only serial number is "S-19" adjacent toboth ferrules. The rod has the full Orvis (Orvis Impregnated, "Madison",8'- 41/8oz, 6wt) inscription and the serial number was probably done atthesame time by the same hand. Only other difference is the reel seat; it isblack DL AL (total). Anyone out there have any information for this poor neophite??? Ralph Shuey from mschaffer@mindspring.com Wed Aug 25 13:04:53 1999 Subject: What line for the tomato stake? Now that I'm getting real close to needing some, would somebody care tomakesuggestions for line to go on my (supposed) 4wt. rod (read tomato stake)?All of my prior flyfishing has been with other types of flyrods on which Iuse weight forward lines. By now,I know which rod works best with whichline; however as I hear it, DT line is the only line to use on cane rods.True? False?If this is the case, and since I don't know specifically which line my rodwill like the best, any suggestions would be most appreciated!TIA, Mike Doc (Mike Shaffer)(mschaffer@mindspring.com) from dhaftel@att.com Wed Aug 25 14:59:39 1999 PAA14118 (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1sol2) (5.5.2448.0) Subject: Test Anybody out there?? Dennis HaftelAlternate Platform TestingPhone: 732.805.2714Pager: 908.261.1944email: dhaftel@att.com from yves@hwy97.net Wed Aug 25 16:06:44 1999 (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id for;Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:06:41 - 0700 Subject: mail Is 'Rodmakers' still active. I have not had any mail for two days - what'sthe problem?Dave La Touche from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Wed Aug 25 18:13:54 1999 Subject: Ferrules Hello,Can any one help me out with mounting ferrules without a lathe all the books talk about doing it with one, but I'm not able to purchase a lathe or use one at this timeThanks ahead of time Joseph A Perrigo II from bobspring@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 18:44:53 1999 1999 16:43:35 PDT Subject: Ralph Moon Highest FFF Award & Heart Surgery I though you would be interested in this. Ralph is currently in the Idaho Falls Hospital ( 208-529-7419) waitingto be transported to Salt LakeCity tomorrow. He expects to receive at least a double by-passoperation at LDS Hospital on Friday morning. Bob August 24, 1999Federation of Fly Fishers1999 NATIONAL CONSERVATION AWARDS GATLINBURG, TENNESSEE -- At its 34th Annual International Show inAugust, theFederation of Fly Fishers recognized chapters and individualsthroughout the US whohave made remarkable contributions to the sport of fly fishing,and to the conservation ofall fish in all waters. Nominations come from some of the mostrespected members of thefly-fishing community, and literally, from all over the world. The Federation's highest honor, the Order of the LapisLazuli was won by RalphMoon of St. Anthony, Idaho. Ralph has worked hard for many yearsas a sportsman,historian and conservationist. A former president andinternational director for theFederation's Western Rocky Mountain Council, Moon has representedFFF interestsbefore many government agencies, including the Idaho Fish & GameCommission, U.S.Bureau of Reclamation, U.S. Bureau of Land Management, IdahoDepartment of WaterResources and the U.S. Forest Service. He has been a director of the Henry's Fork Foundationand a member of the IslandPark Reservoir Power Plant Review Committee and the Henry's ForkWatershed Council. Over the years, Moon has also participated as anindividual in many streamconservation and improvement projects, and he has spent untoldhours working tointroduce youngsters to the wonders of the outdoors. Despite along list of otheraccomplishments, Moon is perhaps best known for his work in WestYellowstone,Mont., as curator of the Federation's International Fly FishingCenter, a role he filled foreight years. Though the center has since moved to Livingston,Mont., Moon's legacy isstill evident in the many displays and artifacts that areavailable for public viewing at theIFFC. The Federation of Fly Fishers is an international organizationdedicated to promoting flyfishing and preservation of all fish in all waters, includingtraditional coldwater andwarmwater fish as well as increasingly popular saltwater species.FFF has clubs andaffiliates throughout the world. For over 30 years FFF has been anadvocate for fisheries, from the original campaigns for catch and release to grassrootsconservation projectsacross the country and internationally. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com from darrelll@earthlink.net Wed Aug 25 21:24:08 1999 Subject: What about a Starrett Depth Gauge for setting forms... boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BEEF2F.48C194A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BEEF2F.48C194A0 As I slowly gather my rodmaking tools, I wonder how suitable a Starrett =Depth gauge will work... I looked at their catalog and it appears they =sell a contact point that might be the correct 60 degree point... I've =emailed them today so I haven't gotten a reply as of yet. What do you recommend as a dial gage setup for setting the forms... Thanks, Darrell Leewww.BambooRods.homepage.com ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BEEF2F.48C194A0 As Islowly = rodmaking tools, I wonder how suitable a Starrett Depth gauge will = looked at their catalog and it appears they sell a contact point that = the correct 60 degree point... I've emailed them today so I haven't = reply as of yet. What do you recommend as a= Thanks, Darrell Leewww.BambooRods.homepage.com ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BEEF2F.48C194A0-- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Wed Aug 25 22:14:56 1999 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: test /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Wed Aug 25 22:15:56 1999 (5.5.2448.0) Subject: test Am I back on now? from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Wed Aug 25 22:21:03 1999 (5.5.2448.0) Subject: test test from Canerods@aol.com Thu Aug 26 08:38:19 1999 Subject: Test List down or am I bounced? from cathcreek@hotmail.com Thu Aug 26 11:48:05 1999 Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:47:32 PDT Subject: bumped just wondering if I got bumped. Rob Clarkecathcreek@hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com from watson@cape-consult.co.uk Thu Aug 26 12:27:41 1999 (BST) boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEEFF0.8C1DB820" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEEFF0.8C1DB820 subscribe rodmakers ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEEFF0.8C1DB820 subscribe =rodmakers ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEEFF0.8C1DB820-- from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Thu Aug 26 12:56:22 1999 KAA04510 (5.5.2448.0) Subject: straightening does anybody remember the posting of a method of node straighteningusing a wash clothheated in the micro wave? I cant seem to find my copy of the post and amnot sure of howto do it and would like to try it. Has anybody tried this method since theposting andhow does it work? Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from spalding@harrynormanrealtors.com Thu Aug 26 15:26:47 1999 Subject: Test This is just a test from gholland@navsys.com Thu Aug 26 16:02:39 1999 Subject: List down? I haven't gotten a message in days....I have unsubscribed and subscribedagain...nothing happens. Is anybody getting anything? Greg Holland from rsgould@cmc.net Thu Aug 26 17:02:53 1999 Subject: Test This is a test message, no email received for 4 days from the list. from fquinchat@locl.net Thu Aug 26 20:43:20 1999 corsair.locl.net(8.9.0/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02880 for ;Thu, 26 Aug 1999 Subject: test boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AF_01BEF004.396F8D60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01BEF004.396F8D60 This is a test. No mail in last few days. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01BEF004.396F8D60 days. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01BEF004.396F8D60-- from Grhghlndr@aol.com Thu Aug 26 20:51:11 1999 Subject: Lathes A friend of mine owns a business here in So. Bend that buys and sellslathes and other such things. He has a lathe for sale ( brand new in the crate ) with a drill press attachment and mill capabilities. This lathe sells for $1200.00 new and he is selling it for $1000.00 . If anyone is interested I will give you his name and phone#.Bret from HomeyDKlown@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 27 06:30:24 1999 with ESMTP id +0000 Subject: Test Is there something wrong with the server? Or did I just get kicked off? Dennis from maxs@geocities.co.jp Fri Aug 27 07:57:36 1999 bysv01.geocities.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id VAA23837 for; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:57:30 +0900 (JST) mail.geocities.co.jp(1.3G-GeocitiesJ-3.1) with SMTP id VAA18960 for; Fri, 27Aug 1999 21:57:29 +0900 (JST) Subject: Greeting from Japan Hi everybody, I joined back to the list after several months' absence.Is it normal now that the list is so slow? Are all out for fishing? Does someone know how many snake guides are implied in Hexrodprogram?What will happen when you decide the number of snake guides which isdifferent fromthe implied number of snake guides in Hexrodh? Max Max Rod Craft, an oriental rod crafteremail: maxs@geocities.co.jpHome Page:http://members.tripod.com/maxrodcraft from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 27 08:31:56 1999 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Payne 96 taper Has anybody out there got a Payne 96 taper I could get? TIA Tony /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from ralph.shuey@redstone.army.mil Fri Aug 27 09:22:06 1999 Subject: FW: Orvis Madison Rod S/N "S-19" Identification Is the system still broke??? -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Orvis Madison Rod S/N "S-19" Identification Jim, Did so, both email and phone. Orvis stumped! They refered me to MartinKeane.Talked to Martin, who said "Yep, seen the letter/two digit designation S/Nacouple times, may be from very early production, and then they decided togowith normal serial numbers....." He also mis-spoke that he thoughtMadisonswere started circa mid-50s.Given that poop I went back to two of the "experts" that had written me.KKSmith and Rich Margiotta. Between the three of us we have put togetherthefollowing:1) Madison introduced 1969/70 (tallies with legend #6 line)2) Early Madison 6wt was 8'- 41/8oz (my rod); later Madisonswere35/8oz and the 8' Battenkill was 41/8oz.3) Dark cane is indicative of early rods.4) Black AL, DL/SL reel seats were in the Orvis inventory (catalogevidence). That is as far as we have gotten, without the Orvis records. If a donationtothe Orvis efforts would help, I'm ready; but I really wonder if they haveanything without digging thru a bunch of obscure garbage from the late'60s. Iwould be thrilled to hear that Wes hisself built the rod, but I kind of doubtthat even as good an old customer as myself rates them wasting that manyman-hours digging. One of these days if I'm in Manchester............Do any of the many experts on the list have anything to add? It's sort ofinteresting playing with the history of "first of a series"........ Especiallywhen the records are a little vague. Anybody out there seen any of the "s-19"type serial number series??? There is a suspicion that this could beeither acustom Orvis rod or just very early production. Comments??Ralph Shuey-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Orvis Madison Rod S/N "S-19" Identification ralph, write orvis. describe your rod serial number and all. i usually senda small donation earmarked for one of their conservation funds with theletter. usually they can tell you the day the rod was made and the guyswhomade it. i've done this for 4 or 5 orvis rods that i have owned over theyears. regards, jim wilcox-----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Orvis Madison Rod S/N "S-19" Identification Good Morning All; I purchased an Orvis 8'0" 6wt Madison at FFF Conclave and I'mhavingdifficulty dating the rod as the only serial number is "S-19"adjacenttoboth ferrules. The rod has the full Orvis (Orvis Impregnated,"Madison",8'- 41/8oz, 6wt) inscription and the serial number was probably doneatthesame time by the same hand. Only other difference is the reel seat;itisblack DL AL (total). Anyone out there have any information for this poor neophite??? Ralph Shuey from mstevens@ptdprolog.net Fri Aug 27 09:27:54 1999 0000 (204.186.1.188) Subject: Just a test This is just a test. Michael StevensRR 1 Box 307C Effort PA 18330 610 681 5670 http://www.mikestevens.com mstevens@ptdprolog.net Collector of Heddon Bamboo rodsJ.A. Coxe baitcasting reelsHeddon River Runt Spooks Maker of Fine Sights for Antique Single Shot TargetRifles from gholland@navsys.com Fri Aug 27 09:40:01 1999 rodmakers Subject: RE: Slow Day, or Am I Off the List? You're on.....but these test messages are the first I've seen in 3days......I unsubscribed a resubscribed yesterday. Has it really been thisslow for days? -----Original Message----- Subject: Slow Day, or Am I Off the List? Haven't seen a message since yesterday. iS IT JUST A SSSLOW DAY? from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 27 10:21:29 1999 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: 2nd try at Payne 96 taper Well I just got an avalanche of messages mostly of the test kind but myfirst request for a Payne 96 taper wasn't one I saw. I guess it's gone tothe datasphere. Has anybody got the taper for a Payne 96 I could get? TIA Tony /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from SSteinzor@atg.state.vt.us Fri Aug 27 10:38:31 1999 Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:38:05 -0400 Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: What line for the tomato stake? I had an interesting experience with this. My first (and so far only) canerod was made from a taper designated as a 4-weight. Knooing that a fewthousandths here and there can make a big difference, I decided to getsomemore knowledgeable recommendations as to line weight and type, so I tookitto my local fly shop to let the proprietor check it out. As it happened,the day I arrived coincided with the visit of two representatives of theR.L. Winston Company, so all four of us repaired to the casting pond. Itwas quite a thrill to see some really fine casters using my handiwork andsaying nice things about it! After going through half a dozen or sodifferent lines, we settled on a 5-weight WF - it just feels better than aDT and casts more efficiently than a 4. There are no rules. -----Original Message-----From: michael w. shaffer [SMTP:mschaffer@mindspring.com]Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 2:03 PM Subject: What line for the tomato stake? Now that I'm getting real close to needing some, would somebody care tomakesuggestions for line to go on my (supposed) 4wt. rod (read tomatostake)?All of my prior flyfishing has been with other types of flyrods on which Iuse weight forward lines. By now,I know which rod works best withwhichline; however as I hear it, DT line is the only line to use on cane rods.True? False?If this is the case, and since I don't know specifically which line my rodwill like the best, any suggestions would be most appreciated!TIA, Mike Doc (Mike Shaffer)(mschaffer@mindspring.com) from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Fri Aug 27 10:44:47 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: What line for the tomato stake? Doc,What's the taper? Someone who has made a similar rod might havesomesuggestions. Personally, I'm becoming more and more committed to theWulffTriangle Taper lines. Much of my fishing involves large rivers and castsover30 feet, and the TT lines seems to work well. If you're rod is supped to beafaster action, go to a good local flyshop and ask to try both the TT 3/4 andTT4/5 lines. You should find one you like. If not, bring it to the SRG. I'vegot 6-8 4 and 5 weight lines. We'll find something that your rod likes.Harry "michael w. shaffer" wrote: Now that I'm getting real close to needing some, would somebody care tomakesuggestions for line to go on my (supposed) 4wt. rod (read tomatostake)?All of my prior flyfishing has been with other types of flyrods on which Iuse weight forward lines. By now,I know which rod works best withwhichline; however as I hear it, DT line is the only line to use on cane rods.True? False?If this is the case, and since I don't know specifically which line my rodwill like the best, any suggestions would be most appreciated!TIA, Mike Doc (Mike Shaffer)(mschaffer@mindspring.com) from dpeaston@wzrd.com Fri Aug 27 10:49:30 1999 Subject: Re: Crackes a Ferrules At 10:28 PM 8/23/1999 GMT, Terry L. Kirkpatrick wrote:A few days ago I confessed to having, not only cracks in my finish, butactuallybreaking a rod at the bamboo-female ferrule joint. I'm happy to report that I seem to have fixed the problem. Because therod isan experiment and not to be a present to a family member or friend, I'mnotworried about the butt section being 1" short. building,here goes. The fix was to take the butt section down to the diameter of the ferrule,sothere is no "step down" at the joint. Next I took .005 of the lower endof themid section, giving it a little more flex. I should point out that I taperedthe work over 14 to 18 inches of the rod. I then reduced the line size The object was to reduce the stress (caused by flexing) both above andbelow theferrules. It seems to have worked. I fished the rod on Saturday and "yardCast" it again today. I examined the area around the ferrule and can findnoindication of movement. Removing bamboo both above and below the ferrule doesn't seem to havechangedthe actin of the rod much. Of course I haven't put the 6wt back on it.I maytry that tomorrow. What is really interesting is that decreasing the diameter around thestressarea actually seems to have helped rather then hurt the rod! Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net I had an Old Divine snap off at the butt ferrule for appearently no reason.John Zimmey seemed to think that it had been re-set lower and thereductionin Dia. required, had cut into the power fibers, causing weakness justbelow the female ferrule. Comments on re-setting ferrules? ANYONE? Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from ralph.shuey@redstone.army.mil Fri Aug 27 10:52:15 1999 1.redstone.army.mil "'mschaffer@mindspring.com'" ,Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: What line for the tomato stake? AMEN, and what people can't seem to understand is that the situation hasbeenthat way since 1860 whatever! Each and every cane rod will castsomewhatdifferently, not like our new plastic cousins. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 11:41 AM Rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: What line for the tomato stake? I had an interesting experience with this. My first (and so faronly) canerod was made from a taper designated as a 4-weight. Knooingthat a fewthousandths here and there can make a big difference, I decidedto get somemore knowledgeable recommendations as to line weight andtype,so I took itto my local fly shop to let the proprietor check it out. As ithappened,the day I arrived coincided with the visit of tworepresentatives of theR.L. Winston Company, so all four of us repaired to the castingpond. Itwas quite a thrill to see some really fine casters using myhandiwork and saying nice things about it! After going throughhalf a dozenor sodifferent lines, we settled on a 5-weight WF - it just feelsbetter than aDT and casts more efficiently than a 4. There are no rules. -----Original Message-----From: michael w. shaffer [SMTP:mschaffer@mindspring.com]Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 2:03 PM Subject: What line for the tomato stake? Now that I'm getting real close to needing some, wouldsomebody care tomakesuggestions for line to go on my (supposed) 4wt. rod (readtomato stake)?All of my prior flyfishing has been with other types offlyrods on which Iuse weight forward lines. By now,I know which rod works bestwith whichline; however as I hear it, DT line is the only line to use oncane rods.True? False?If this is the case, and since I don't know specifically whichline my rodwill like the best, any suggestions would be most appreciated!TIA, Mike Doc (Mike Shaffer)(mschaffer@mindspring.com) from TSmithwick@aol.com Fri Aug 27 10:55:30 1999 Subject: Re: Ferrules RODMAKERS@wugate.wustl.edu In a message dated 8/27/99 3:26:31 PM, Eastkoyfly@aol.com wrote: Joe - You can do a decent job with sandpaper. Cut strips of it the width of the ferrule seat. Hold the blank in a padded vice with the end of the rod shaft sticking out. Use the sandpaper like a shoeshine cloth to round the corners of the top flat. Take a few counted strokes on each ridge, rotatethe rod, make an equal number of strokes,and continue in this manner until the ferrule fits. If your rod diameter is between ferrule sizes, choose the larger size. Stick with the Super Z type of ferrule which does not require any fancy step downs in the diameter. from ralph.shuey@redstone.army.mil Fri Aug 27 11:02:51 1999 1.redstone.army.mil rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Crackes a Ferrules You might talk to Ron Huff about the situation. I was casting one of hisstockat the FFF Conclave and had the rod break at the step of the male ferrule. Oldrod, original ferrule setting, and BANG! Scared the living daylites out ofme,he didn't seemed to concerned........................... -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Crackes a Ferrules At 10:28 PM 8/23/1999 GMT, Terry L. Kirkpatrick wrote:A few days ago I confessed to having, not only cracks in myfinish, butactuallybreaking a rod at the bamboo-female ferrule joint. I'm happy to report that I seem to have fixed the problem.Because therod isan experiment and not to be a present to a family member orfriend, I'm notworried about the butt section being 1" short. and rodbuilding,here goes. The fix was to take the butt section down to the diameter ofthe ferrule, sothere is no "step down" at the joint. Next I took .005 of thelower endof themid section, giving it a little more flex. I should point outthat I taperedthe work over 14 to 18 inches of the rod. I then reduced theline size The object was to reduce the stress (caused by flexing) bothabove andbelow theferrules. It seems to have worked. I fished the rod onSaturday and "yardCast" it again today. I examined the area around the ferruleand can find noindication of movement. Removing bamboo both above and below the ferrule doesn'tseemto have changedthe actin of the rod much. Of course I haven't put the 6wtback on it.I maytry that tomorrow. What is really interesting is that decreasing the diameteraround the stressarea actually seems to have helped rather then hurt the rod! Terry "Sunfish" KirkpatrickSafety Harbor, Fl.(Old Tampa Bay)sats@gte.net I had an Old Divine snap off at the butt ferrule for appearentlyno reason.John Zimmey seemed to think that it had been re-set lower andthe reductionin Dia. required, had cut into the power fibers, causingweakness justbelow the female ferrule. Comments on re-setting ferrules? ANYONE? Doug EastonTonawanda, NY from stetzer@csd.uwm.edu Fri Aug 27 11:19:35 1999 batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id LAA14675; Fri, 27 Aug1999 11:19:32 -0500 (8.8.4/8.6.8) with Subject: Re: Greeting from Japan Max, First, welcome back to the list. Your past contributions havebeen large. Everytime I straighten a rod tip with a clothes ironI thank you. The weight of the snake guides are averaged in with the weightof the varnish and distributed over the length of the rod.It is just a typical number, determined by Garrison and I expect that Wayne C copied Garrison and I copied Wayne's program.If you look at the individual components of the bending moments along the length of the rod, the weight of the cane and line dominate and the guides and varnish, even if they were twice as heavy as assumed, would be unimportant in the total. The various Hexrod programs are all based on restrictive assumptionssuch as this. There are many much more serious than the weight ofthe guides, IMHO. Of course, you are free to write your own hexrodprogram that incorporates the factors you feel are most important.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and a Employed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Maxrodcraft wrote: Hi everybody, I joined back to the list after several months' absence.Is it normal now that the list is so slow? Are all out for fishing? Does someone know how many snake guides are implied in Hexrodprogram?What will happen when you decide the number of snake guides which isdifferent fromthe implied number of snake guides in Hexrodh? Max Max Rod Craft, an oriental rod crafteremail: maxs@geocities.co.jpHome Page:http://members.tripod.com/maxrodcraft from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 27 11:20:54 1999 Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:24:43 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Re: What line for the tomato stake? Michael, WF lines are fine for bamboo rods. According to Vince Marinara to useanything else ismadness or something like that saying "I do not know why anyone wouldwantto use DT lines and deny himself the blessings of a WF line"I can quote that as I just read it from In The Ring of the Rise" a half anhr ago. Vince's opinions are .....opinionated but gee that's a good book. Tony On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, michael w. shaffer wrote: Now that I'm getting real close to needing some, would somebody care tomakesuggestions for line to go on my (supposed) 4wt. rod (read tomatostake)?All of my prior flyfishing has been with other types of flyrods on which Iuse weight forward lines. By now,I know which rod works best withwhichline; however as I hear it, DT line is the only line to use on cane rods.True? False?If this is the case, and since I don't know specifically which line my rodwill like the best, any suggestions would be most appreciated!TIA, Mike Doc (Mike Shaffer)(mschaffer@mindspring.com) /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 27 11:37:22 1999 Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:41:17 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Re: What line for the tomato stake? On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Tony Young wrote: Michael, WF lines are fine for bamboo rods. According to Vince Marinara to use Sorry,that's Marinaro. I must have been thinking of a spaghetti dish that goesdown well with lots of chilli and a cold beer. Tony /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from darrelll@earthlink.net Fri Aug 27 11:47:50 1999 Subject: Re: Greeting from Japan Hey, I missed that post... tell me about straightening tips with a clothesiron??? Darrellwww.bamboorods.homepage.com -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Greeting from Japan Max, First, welcome back to the list. Your past contributions havebeen large. Everytime I straighten a rod tip with a clothes ironI thank you. The weight of the snake guides are averaged in with the weightof the varnish and distributed over the length of the rod.It is just a typical number, determined by Garrison and Iexpect that Wayne C copied Garrison and I copied Wayne's program.If you look at the individual components of the bending momentsalong the length of the rod, the weight of the cane and linedominate and the guides and varnish, even if they were twiceas heavy as assumed, would be unimportant in the total. The various Hexrod programs are all based on restrictive assumptionssuch as this. There are many much more serious than the weight ofthe guides, IMHO. Of course, you are free to write your own hexrodprogram that incorporates the factors you feel are most important.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and aEmployed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Maxrodcraft wrote: Hi everybody, I joined back to the list after several months' absence.Is it normal now that the list is so slow? Are all out for fishing? Does someone know how many snake guides are implied in Hexrodprogram?What will happen when you decide the number of snake guides which isdifferent fromthe implied number of snake guides in Hexrodh? Max Max Rod Craft, an oriental rod crafteremail: maxs@geocities.co.jpHome Page:http://members.tripod.com/maxrodcraft from tom@cet-inc.com Fri Aug 27 12:20:21 1999 "'rodmakers'" Subject: Re: straightening Patrick,I can't direct you to the post but the method was presented in an article(I'm pretty sure was written by Bernie Elser) in the Planing FormNewslettera few issues back. I tried the process. Advantage is that you will notdamage the strip like you can with a heat gun. I still find a heat gun to befaster for me.Tom ----- Original Message ----- Subject: straightening does anybody remember the posting of a method of node straighteningusinga wash cloth heated in the micro wave? I cant seem to find my copy of thepost and am not sure of how to do it and would like to try it. Has anybodytried this method since the posting and how does it work? Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from rsgould@cmc.net Fri Aug 27 12:30:42 1999 Subject: The Idyll of the Split bamboo Hi Tim and Jilly,The Idyll of the Split bamboo was written by George Parker Holden in 1920and published by Stewart Kidd and Company of Cinncinati, Ohio. It is ISBN1-55709-492-6. This book has been reprinted by Applewood Books, P.O.Box365, Belford, MA 01730.I bought a copy recently through Amazon.com.Ray Gould from rsgould@cmc.net Fri Aug 27 13:01:45 1999 Subject: Sawing Hi Dave,Other than sawing the culm into very wide pieces I'd advise you're betteroff not to saw. I know that it has been done by some in the past and may bea way to crank out production rods but there is a drawback. Simply put,sawing most likely will cut across the fibers rather than follow themdownthe cane along their normal course. The result is a rod that is not asstrong as it could be.Ray from rsgould@cmc.net Fri Aug 27 13:09:04 1999 Subject: Which Line? Hi Mike,Nope, DT lines are not the only lines to use on cane rods. They do have theadvantage of being able to turn them end for end however. Of the twentysome fly lines I have I use WF lines 99% of the time. They work great! Ray from DBurrill@telehub.net Fri Aug 27 14:17:35 1999 Subject: RE: bamboo Ralph Moon's Please send our best wishes to Ralph. We'll all be thinking bamboothoughts 'unsubscribe rodmakers' in the body of the note. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: bamboo Ralph Moon's As some of you may know Ralph has been having a lot of heart problemslately. They [dr's] have decided he has to have bypass surgery.Because he is high risk they will do the procedure in Salt Lake City. Iwill try and find someone in SLC to keep you updated. He has not beenable to do to much lately so the rod list has been great for him. Thankyou all. Now being a "computer dummy" how do I un subscribe to thelist until we get home? I know he won't want to miss the posts buthundreds of message will add stress and he will want to read them all.Thanks again ! The list has been a blessing the last few months from iank@nelson.planet.org.nz Fri Aug 27 14:38:35 1999 sage.ts.co.nz with SMTP id HAA26647; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:38:33 +1200 Subject: The great Southern The programme for the Gathering has been sort of put together. You mayrecall we made the important decisions like the most appropriate brandof beer very early on . After recent discussion between Tony, Sean andmyself we have come to some tentative suggestions as to what we mightactually do to justify the event.This programme is of course subject tominor and major changes at any time. The tentative programme is as follows: Thursday 4th November : 5.30 pm . BBQ at Kina Peninsular beach house.Salt water fly fishing off the back lawn for those interested . 15minutes drive to Motueka and Riwaka rivers for those interested in anevening fish afterwards. Friday 5th November: 10.00 am. start late to allow those who want to anearly morning fish. Southern Hemisphere discussion : - Sources of materials for glues , canes, cork , ferrlues , guides, etc- handling enquiries for rods- anything else ? 12.30 lunch 1.30 pm . Techniques. Items such as : nodeless construction ,sharpening, planning wet strips, varnishing , fitting ferrules , makingsnakes . Each person attending to lead discussion/demonstrate sometechnique if possible. 5.30 evening bbq at Champion Road. Saturday 6th November: 10.00 start. Casting trials at Rick Griffens Dam, five minutes down the road , or our front paddock. This will includerodmakers rods and some old classics which Sean and I have . 12.30 lunch afternoon : free for whatever comes up or for fishing. 5.30 Closing bbq at Kina Peninsular cottage( some attendeees will bestaying there) If anyone has any questions or would like any further information pleasecontact me . regards Ian Kearney from rvenneri@ulster.net Fri Aug 27 14:55:06 1999 Subject: test Hey Guys,I must have gotten kicked off for a while. Did I miss anything or wasthe whole list down. best regardsBob V from iank@nelson.planet.org.nz Fri Aug 27 15:11:32 1999 sage.ts.co.nz with SMTP id IAA29178; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:11:25 +1200 Subject: Re: Book Search The Highwood book shop , email: highwood@gtii.com , fax 616 271 5013 ,www.traversecity.com/highwood may be able to find you a copy . Usual disclaimers regarding commercial interest etc. regards Ian Kearney At 10:16 PM 24/08/99 +0100, Tim & Jilly Watson wrote:Does anyone know if it is possible to find a copy of The Idyl of the Split-Bamboo from channer@hubwest.com Fri Aug 27 15:18:01 1999 (SMTPD32-4.06) id A2EB7DB0126; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:19:55 MST Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell At 08:27 AM 08/24/1999 -0600, Don & Sandy Andersen wrote:Tis a slow day so this seemed to be in order!!! Got an order from a guy in Oregon that was shipped May 28. Didn't arrive.Did a trace and found out it was being returned to shipper and the couriercompany would be able to tell me why within 2 days. Then they lost therod.Umpteen phone calls & mild threats did nothing. 20 days go by where therod could no longer be found. Got a call from the courier company tellingme that the rod would be delivered that day to the customer. He's in NewYork state. He arrives home to find that he only has one more deliverychance or the rod is being returned to the shipper. He frets and fumes andthe rod arrives. Calls me and tells me that now both tip tops aredestroyed. I call and he ships it back. The rod gets repaired, shipped andfinally arrives. Should be in Alaska by now for some fishing.The up side is the guy is pleased with his rod. The downside is a loss of $300.00 in shipping, phone calls, repair work, brokerage fees, exchangerates and so on. Submitted an insurance claim and have heard nothing.Makes a guy want to go "postal". Don Don;If I remember correctly, you are in Canada, so there may be no remedy foryou, but i have always sent my rods by the good ole U.S. mail (heavilyinsured, of course) and all have eventually arrived at destination intact.I have had several mailing companies tell me that the fancier a method ofshipping you use, the more likely you are to have problems. I hate Fed Exabove all, every time i get something Fed Exed to me there is troublegetting it, no offense to any Fed Ex emplayees that may be on the list.John from ralph.shuey@redstone.army.mil Fri Aug 27 16:06:16 1999 rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: The Rod from Hell And just what courier company do we want to stay away from??????? -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 4:19 PM Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell At 08:27 AM 08/24/1999 -0600, Don & Sandy Andersen wrote:Tis a slow day so this seemed to be in order!!! Got an order from a guy in Oregon that was shipped May 28.Didn't arrive.Did a trace and found out it was being returned to shipper andthe couriercompany would be able to tell me why within 2 days. Then theylost the rod.Umpteen phone calls & mild threats did nothing. 20 days go bywhere therod could no longer be found. Got a call from the couriercompany tellingme that the rod would be delivered that day to the customer.He's in NewYork state. He arrives home to find that he only has one moredeliverychance or the rod is being returned to the shipper. He fretsand fumes andthe rod arrives. Calls me and tells me that now both tip topsaredestroyed. I call and he ships it back. The rod gets repaired,shipped andfinally arrives. Should be in Alaska by now for some fishing.The up side is the guy is pleased with his rod. The downside isa loss of $300.00 in shipping, phone calls, repair work, brokerage fees,exchangerates and so on. Submitted an insurance claim and have heardnothing.Makes a guy want to go "postal". Don Don;If I remember correctly, you are in Canada, so there may be noremedy foryou, but i have always sent my rods by the good ole U.S. mail(heavilyinsured, of course) and all have eventually arrived atdestination intact.I have had several mailing companies tell me that the fancier amethod ofshipping you use, the more likely you are to have problems. Ihate Fed Exabove all, every time i get something Fed Exed to me there istroublegetting it, no offense to any Fed Ex emplayees that may be onthe list.John from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Fri Aug 27 16:21:50 1999 Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell I bought a sharpes blank from a mail order company and it arrived via FedEx broken not once but twice, the second time you could see a big V in thecard board tube when the driver got of the truckJoe from maxs@geocities.co.jp Fri Aug 27 16:36:14 1999 bysv01.geocities.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id GAA23643; Sat, 28Aug 1999 06:36:10+0900 (JST) mail.geocities.co.jp(1.3G-GeocitiesJ-3.1) with SMTP id GAA08032; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:36:09+0900 (JST) Subject: RE: Ferrules Joseph san, Here is a way of rounding ferrule station by hands, which I used to do.Hold a file on your right hand (if you are right handed), press the end of ablank with your thumb agaistthe file. Then turn the blank fowrad and backward on your lap by the palmof your left hand. You may need to move your right hand along with yourleft hand moves. When all the cornor of hexagon are rounded, then changethe file to sandpaper which has the width you want to file. This methodmayneed some practice. When you use sandpaper between fingers, you mayneed tobe careful that some part is not un-evenly filed since finger surface is notstraight. Here is another traditional Japanese rod makers' way.Prepare two files or two wood blocks which have a piece of sandpaperattached inside, the width of which should be same to the width you wanttofile.Hold two pieces of wood blocks by rubber band appropriately and place itonthe floor and hold it with your foot(step on).Place the blank which you want to file, in between of two pieces of filesorwood blocks with sandpaper attached.Sit on a chair and turn a rod blank by moving the palms toward oppositedirection in turn. This will give you similar mechanism of the lathe. Max Hello,Can any one help me out with mounting ferrules without a lathe all thebooks talk about doing it with one, but I'm not able to purchase a latheoruse one at this timeThanks ahead of timeJoseph A Perrigo II from jackdale@uswest.net Fri Aug 27 16:39:55 1999 (206.196.156.235) Subject: Re: Book Search 6B07CEEFB876672EF92C059A" --------------6B07CEEFB876672EF92C059A Try searching at www.bibliofind.com. Tim & Jilly Watson wrote: Does anyone know if it is possible to find a copy ofThe Idyl ofthe Split- BambooA Carefully Detailed Description of the Rod's Building,Prefaced Bya Dissertation on the Joys of Anglingthere being appended some Information onthe Home Cultivationof Silkwormsand Suggestions on Landing Nets andother Equipment, andThe Angler's ?????(obscured)byGeorge Parker Hol???? M.D, F.A.C.Sprofusely illustrated. It was published by Derrydale Press, Lyon, Mississippi.On the facingpage is a picture of three boys fishing, one seated, two standing,titled The Foreunner of the Split BambooI have no date for it but asyou should have guessed by now - its old!ThanksTim. --------------6B07CEEFB876672EF92C059A Try searching at www.bibliofind.com. Tim & Jilly Watson wrote: The Idylof the Split-Bamboo A Carefully DetailedDescriptionof the Rod's Building, PrefacedBy a Dissertation on theJoysof Angling there being appendedsome Informationon the Home CultivationofSilkworms and Suggestions onLandingNets and other Equipment,and The Angler's?????(obscured) by George Parker Hol????M.D,F.A.C.S profusely illustrated. It was published by DerrydalePress,Lyon, Mississippi.Onthe facing page is a picture of three boys fishing, one seated, twostanding,titled The Foreunner of the Split BambooIhaveno date for it but as you should have guessed by now - its --------------6B07CEEFB876672EF92C059A-- from dellc@nextdim.com Fri Aug 27 16:45:55 1999 (SMTPD32-4.06) id A456DE0242; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:34:14 PST "Rodmakers" Subject: Re: Book Search boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01BEF09A.D1847020" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01BEF09A.D1847020 The book in question was a reprint of the original published in 1919, =the reprint was in 1993.Dell in Digest landDell & Marie CoppockThe Flyfisher& the Quilterhttp://www.trwebsites.com/dell/e-mail dellc@nextdim.comflyfisher@nextdim.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 2:16 PMSubject: Book Search Does anyone know if it is possible to find a copy of Prefaced Bya Dissertation on the Joys of Angling the Home Cultivationof Silkwormsand Suggestions on Landing Nets andother Equipment, andThe Angler's ?????(obscured) George Parker Hol???? M.D, F.A.C.Sprofusely illustrated. It was published by Derrydale Press, Lyon, Mississippi.On the facing page is a picture of three boys fishing, one seated, two =standing, titled The Foreunner of the Split BambooI have no date for it but as you should have guessed by now - its old! ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01BEF09A.D1847020 The book in question was a reprint of the = published in 1919, the reprint was in 1993.Dell in Digest landDell & Marie CoppockThe Flyfisher& the flyfisher@nextdim.com ----- Original Message ----- & Jilly Watson Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 = PMSubject: Book Search Does anyone know if it ispossible = copy of The Idyl of = the Split-Bamboo = A Carefully = of the Rod's Building, Prefaced =Bya Dissertation on= Anglingthere being = Information on the Home = Silkwormsand Suggestionson = andother Equipment,=and ?????(obscured) George Parker Hol???? M.D, F.A.C.Sprofusely =illustrated. It was published by Derrydale = Mississippi.On the facing page is a pictureof = BambooI haveno = as you should have guessed by now - its old! ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01BEF09A.D1847020-- from maxs@geocities.co.jp Fri Aug 27 16:48:08 1999 bysv01.geocities.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id GAA08111; Sat, 28Aug 1999 06:48:04+0900 (JST) mail.geocities.co.jp(1.3G-GeocitiesJ-3.1) with SMTP id GAA16894; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:48:03+0900 (JST) Subject: RE: Greeting from Japan Hi Darrell san, There still is an article on my home page, which is written in English.Or go to Jerry Foster san's home page at rodmaker list archives and useFrank Stetzer san's search engine forarchives by specifying "straightening". It will reach you to my past postin a minute. URL of my web is http://members.tripod.com/maxrodcraftClick a key mark for English menu. Max Hey, I missed that post... tell me about straightening tips with a clothesiron??? Darrellwww.bamboorods.homepage.com -----Original Message-----From: Frank Stetzer Cc: rodmakers Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 9:27 AMSubject: Re: Greeting from Japan Max, First, welcome back to the list. Your past contributions havebeen large. Everytime I straighten a rod tip with a clothes ironI thank you. The weight of the snake guides are averaged in with the weightof the varnish and distributed over the length of the rod.It is just a typical number, determined by Garrison and Iexpect that Wayne C copied Garrison and I copied Wayne's program.If you look at the individual components of the bending momentsalong the length of the rod, the weight of the cane and linedominate and the guides and varnish, even if they were twiceas heavy as assumed, would be unimportant in the total. The various Hexrod programs are all based on restrictive assumptionssuch as this. There are many much more serious than the weight ofthe guides, IMHO. Of course, you are free to write your own hexrodprogram that incorporates the factors you feel are most important.......................................................................Frank Stetzer "...a cheerful comrade is betterstetzer@uwm.edu than a waterproof coat and aEmployed by, but not speaking for foot-warmer." Henry Van Dyke,Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA "Fisherman's Luck", 1899. On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Maxrodcraft wrote: Hi everybody, I joined back to the list after several months' absence.Is it normal now that the list is so slow? Are all out for fishing? Does someone know how many snake guides are implied in Hexrodprogram?What will happen when you decide the number of snake guides which isdifferent fromthe implied number of snake guides in Hexrodh? Max Max Rod Craft, an oriental rod crafteremail: maxs@geocities.co.jpHome Page:http://members.tripod.com/maxrodcraft from mevans@acxiom.com Fri Aug 27 17:10:43 1999 (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:14:13 -0500 (204.107.111.23::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 27 Aug1999 17:14:13-0500 popmail.conway.acxiom.com ; Fri Aug27 17:14:12 1999 -0500 (5.5.2650.10) Subject: RE: The Rod from Hell Just F.Y.I. I used to work at FedEx. Packages flowthrough their Memphis hub at about 30 - 35 mph becomingabout 6" airborne as they ramp into about 3 stories of conveyors.(It's an amazing spectacle.) They are not in the leastirresponsible in their handling, but they move 2 million units/day and shippers need to pack appropriately. A mail order company who puts a fly rod in a card board tube is asking for it! In my opinion, they probably should know better. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell I bought a sharpes blank from a mail order company and it arrived via FedEx broken not once but twice, the second time you could see a big V in thecard board tube when the driver got of the truckJoe from cbogart@shentel.net Fri Aug 27 17:16:49 1999 "Eastkoyfly@aol.com" Subject: Re: Ferrules Joe I have had my last couple of classes mount their ferrules w/o using alathejust because it is fairly easy to do and it eliminates the need themrunning out andbuying a lathe. You can do it with a mill bastard file and a bit of patience. First mark your rod blank with pencil where the end of the ferrulewill be andalso where the tabs end. Also put an idiot mark on one flat to remind youwhere youstart and end. Now take several swipes with the mill bastard file on theedge of theflat and then rotate to the next flat until you end back up at your idiotmark. Inormallytake three swipes starting at where the ferrule ends and three from wherethe tabs end on the first pass. Now check and see if the ferrule fits. If not, take afew more passes from the tab mark forward on all sides. Check again. Do this untilthe ferrulefits snug on the rod blank and stop. You may find that you may need something to support the strip whileyouuse the file but if you are careful you can get an excellent fit. Chris On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:13:09 EDT, Eastkoyfly@aol.com wrote: Hello,Can any one help me out with mounting ferrules without a lathe all the books talk about doing it with one, but I'm not able to purchase a lathe or use one at this timeThanks ahead of time Joseph A Perrigo II from Eastkoyfly@aol.com Fri Aug 27 17:55:15 1999 Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell I agree that the packing job suckedJoe from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Fri Aug 27 18:08:42 1999 Subject: RE: The Rod from Hell On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Shuey, Ralph wrote: And just what courier company do we want to stay away from??????? In my case it would be the US mail. Just last week I received an old7'6", 2pc, 6wt. Those thoughtful federal employees did a free conversionto a travel rod for me. Now a 4pc. I would rather have the rod than theinsurance. This was my first big disaster. Still never had onelost or damaged outgoing. This box was folded in half. They just keeppushing it through the system until delivered so noone gets blamed.It was very painful opening that box. Regards, BobFly Supplies from rsgould@cmc.net Fri Aug 27 18:22:38 1999 Subject: The rod from hell Hi Don,Sounds to me like you might be better of to have sent the customer a pieceof culm and a block plane and let him make his own rod or perhaps justshipthe thing in a 3" extra heavy steel pipe with caps welded shut on each end!Egads, what a fiasco!I heard from Marty that our workshop at Corbett next year will be April20-23 and I've already sent a room reservation request up to Peter forJackByrd and me. Hope to see you there as always. Stay well!Ray from stpete@netten.net Fri Aug 27 18:42:36 1999 Subject: List Junkies, Max, and more. I suppose the list server may have been down for many people. I checkmy mail once or twice each day. Just now, 86 messages loaded onto mymail. Most were test messages. I guess that only goes to show how many'addicts' we have to the list. Looks like a real panic set in. Max, good to have you back on the list. I've made two rods this summer. I intended to make six or more, but Igot a new Chinese made minilathe. I have spent some time tuning it andlearning to grind bits, turn steel, aluminum, brass. I'm ready for N/Snow. So far it has been extremely useful filing and sanding ferruletabs (I made a set of mandrels to fit many ferrule sizes), fittingferrule stations, forming grips and making tools for rodmaking. Itreally speeds things up (Notice I made TWO rods instead of SIX!!!). Butit has been very interesting and I imagine I will not want to livewithout it in future. Rick C. from darrelll@earthlink.net Fri Aug 27 19:03:53 1999 Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell I've had the PO blues many times... I now prefer to ship items over $300viaUPS 2nd day air. Insured automatically for $500 and if you want moreinsurance it's only 35 cents/$100... much better deal than the USPS. Darrellwww.BambooRods.homepage.com -----Original Message----- Subject: The Rod from Hell Tis a slow day so this seemed to be in order!!! Got an order from a guy in Oregon that was shipped May 28. Didn't arrive.Did a trace and found out it was being returned to shipper and the couriercompany would be able to tell me why within 2 days. Then they lost therod.Umpteen phone calls & mild threats did nothing. 20 days go by where therod could no longer be found. Got a call from the courier company tellingme that the rod would be delivered that day to the customer. He's in NewYork state. He arrives home to find that he only has one more deliverychance or the rod is being returned to the shipper. He frets and fumes andthe rod arrives. Calls me and tells me that now both tip tops aredestroyed. I call and he ships it back. The rod gets repaired, shipped andfinally arrives. Should be in Alaska by now for some fishing.The up side is the guy is pleased with his rod. The downside is a loss of $300.00 in shipping, phone calls, repair work, brokerage fees, exchangerates and so on. Submitted an insurance claim and have heard nothing.Makes a guy want to go "postal". Don from maxs@geocities.co.jp Fri Aug 27 19:04:01 1999 bysv01.geocities.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id JAA24397; Sat, 28Aug 1999 09:03:55+0900 (JST) mail.geocities.co.jp(1.3G-GeocitiesJ-3.1) with SMTP id JAA04224; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:03:53+0900 (JST) Subject: RE: List Junkies, Max, and more. Rick san, Thanks for welcome word.Lathe is really a nice thing. I got it last year too.It is sure that it will slow you down the number of rods to be made for awhile.The more you use lathe, the less you can work on new rods.I use my lathe to make my own reelseat and filler from various kind ofburls, too.It's a fun. I just made three rods after getting the lathe and a mountain ofreelseat fillers.(G) Max I suppose the list server may have been down for many people. I checkmy mail once or twice each day. Just now, 86 messages loaded onto mymail. Most were test messages. I guess that only goes to show how many'addicts' we have to the list. Looks like a real panic set in. Max, good to have you back on the list. I've made two rods this summer. I intended to make six or more, but Igot a new Chinese made minilathe. I have spent some time tuning it andlearning to grind bits, turn steel, aluminum, brass. I'm ready for N/Snow. So far it has been extremely useful filing and sanding ferruletabs (I made a set of mandrels to fit many ferrule sizes), fittingferrule stations, forming grips and making tools for rodmaking. Itreally speeds things up (Notice I made TWO rods instead of SIX!!!). Butit has been very interesting and I imagine I will not want to livewithout it in future. Rick C. from brookie@frii.com Fri Aug 27 19:55:44 1999 1999 18:53:16 -0600 Subject: Re: quiet day At 01:15 PM 8/23/99 -0700, you wrote:Is everybody out fishing, I haven't seen anything come through all day. Indeed I WAS out, with my one and only cane today. Perhaps I shall post tothe RodMakers on the day, it WAS incredible. More to the point, I am verysurprised on this list that more cane owners don't post what their cane islike to fish, or at least give glowing reports of the golden coloured rodsgently bending in the wind , and to the fish ... *G* I work both graphite and cane, depending on the weather and wind. Onlyonecane at the 3 wt level and a shortie to boot doesn't do as well as thegraphite I own. Took some pictures today and will try to get them up on a website, showyouwhat a unknown fork of a well known stream in Colorado looks like, thebrowns caught and maybe even a few pix of the cane itself....*G* SueColorado from jf_gray@ix.netcom.com Fri Aug 27 20:22:17 1999 ix1.ix.netcom.com viasmap (V1.3) "watson@cape-consult.co.uk" Subject: Book Search Try Kingbooks.com. They have it for $19.96 It is by Holden, GeorgeParker ISBN 1557094926. No affliliation, yadda yadda, blah blah blah! from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Fri Aug 27 21:08:43 1999 Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:12:46 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: RE: The Rod from Hell I got a PM sent to me for repair in a poly tube once where the tubearrived without the cap or rod which was disturbing, however the next daythe rod arrived in it's cotton bag in good order. I wouldn't expect thatsort of thing all the time but you can be lucky. I also had a computer dispatched and the truck carrying it rolled wreckingthe computer as you'd expect. The replacement computer then had a forklift impale it. Third go and the computer was droped. I think it wound upbeing delivered in the bosses car. Tony On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Bob Perry wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Shuey, Ralph wrote: And just what courier company do we want to stay away from??????? In my case it would be the US mail. Just last week I received an old7'6", 2pc, 6wt. Those thoughtful federal employees did a free conversionto a travel rod for me. Now a 4pc. I would rather have the rod than theinsurance. This was my first big disaster. Still never had onelost or damaged outgoing. This box was folded in half. They just keeppushing it through the system until delivered so noone gets blamed.It was very painful opening that box. Regards, BobFly Supplies /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from conranch@ipeg.com Fri Aug 27 21:44:39 1999 Subject: Back on line boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0758_01BEF0C4.8DAC7B20" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0758_01BEF0C4.8DAC7B20 Hi List Members,My computer blew the power supply and some major problems with the = What a hassle to get the replacement parts. Just finnished getting it =back together today. Over one month down, bummer!I lost a ton of e-mail, so if any of you have been trying to contact me, = Liz and I are feeding over 1000 birds this year and they look great. Are =also working on our first bamboo. Fun!RespectfullyDennis and Liz ConradCONRANCH HACKLESconranch@ipeg.com Dennisconranch2@ipeg.com Liz ------=_NextPart_000_0758_01BEF0C4.8DAC7B20 Hi List Members,My computer blew the power supply andsome = problems with the Motherboard. What a hassle to get the replacement parts.= bummer!I lost a ton of e-mail, so if any of you have= Liz and I are feeding over 1000 birds this = they look great. Are also working on our first bamboo. Fun!RespectfullyDennis and Liz Conrad Dennis Liz http://www.hot= ------=_NextPart_000_0758_01BEF0C4.8DAC7B20-- from LECLAIR123@aol.com Fri Aug 27 22:23:03 1999 Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu I've had problems with UPS over the years. Damaged goods.I ship everything by Priority Mail, two to three day deliverymaximum and haven't had a damaged rod or anything else inthe past ten years. Dave from irish-george@pacbell.net Sat Aug 28 00:43:52 1999 Subject: Re: Book Search boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01BEF0DD.9B5F3820" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BEF0DD.9B5F3820 Of course it is in reprint and available from amazon.com but if you want =a specific printing I have never found a book search that was better =than http://www.bookfinder.com -- it searches something like 50 other =book search engines worldwide. Good luck,George Bourke-----Original Message-----From: Tim & Jilly Watson Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:45 AMSubject: Book Search Does anyone know if it is possible to find a copy of Prefaced Bya Dissertation on the Joys of Angling the Home Cultivationof Silkwormsand Suggestions on Landing Nets andother Equipment, andThe Angler's ?????(obscured) George Parker Hol???? M.D, F.A.C.Sprofusely illustrated. It was published by Derrydale Press, Lyon, Mississippi.On the facing page is a picture of three boys fishing, one seated, =two standing, titled The Foreunner of the Split BambooI have no date for it but as you should have guessed by now - its =old! ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BEF0DD.9B5F3820 Of course it is in reprint and = amazon.com but if you want a specific printing I have never found a book = that was better than http://www.bookfinder.com --it = something like 50 other book search engines worldwide. Good luck,George Bourke -----Original = Tim & Jilly Watson <watson@cape-consult.co.uk&g= Rodmakers <rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu= SearchDoes anyone know if it is = copy of The Idyl of = the Split-Bamboo = A Carefully = Description of the Rod's Building, Prefaced =Bya Dissertationon = Anglingthere being = Information on the Home = Silkwormsand Suggestions= andother and ?????(obscured) George Parker Hol???? M.D, F.A.C.Sprofusely =illustrated. It was published by Derrydale = Mississippi.On the facing page is a picture= boys fishing, one seated, two standing, titled The Foreunner of the = BambooI haveno = but as you should have guessed by now - its old! ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BEF0DD.9B5F3820-- from irish-george@pacbell.net Sat Aug 28 01:14:05 1999 Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell So far I've been very lucky...received about 25-30 rods in the last year andno mishaps regardless of how poorly they were packed or whether theUSPS orUPS delivered them. However, my first trip to Abercrombie & Fitch as a teenager wanting toseethe Paynes, Leonards, Pezon et Michels, etc I heard of the worst "roddisaster" I've ever heard of. Since, like most teenagers, I didn't have thecash to buy such rods I only wanted to admire and examine them I quietlylooked around the store...for a VERY long time. Finally, seeing no rods ATALL, I enquired where they were. A very embarrassed clerk told me thattheir entire year's shipment had arrived two weeks prior to my visit. Itseems that they were unloaded from the delivery truck and proppedagainst itwhile someone signed for them. Then the delivery driver absent-mindedlyback out of the driveway crushing them all. George Bourke-----Original Message----- Subject: RE: The Rod from Hell I got a PM sent to me for repair in a poly tube once where the tubearrived without the cap or rod which was disturbing, however the nextdaythe rod arrived in it's cotton bag in good order. I wouldn't expect thatsort of thing all the time but you can be lucky. I also had a computer dispatched and the truck carrying it rolledwreckingthe computer as you'd expect. The replacement computer then had a forklift impale it. Third go and the computer was droped. I think it wound upbeing delivered in the bosses car. Tony On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Bob Perry wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Shuey, Ralph wrote: And just what courier company do we want to stay awayfrom??????? In my case it would be the US mail. Just last week I received an old7'6", 2pc, 6wt. Those thoughtful federal employees did a freeconversionto a travel rod for me. Now a 4pc. I would rather have the rod than theinsurance. This was my first big disaster. Still never had onelost or damaged outgoing. This box was folded in half. They just keeppushing it through the system until delivered so noone gets blamed.It was very painful opening that box. Regards, BobFly Supplies /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb?A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from jik@foxinternet.net Sat Aug 28 01:30:25 1999 Subject: rod-swap Has anyone in this list tried a "rod-swap"? Like the flyswap wereeveryone sends a few flies to one guy who sends one from everyoneback. Seems like it would be a kind of cool thing to do if it wassmall and you had a long time to complete the task of building therods. Just wondering...don't want to join or start one just yet :P from darrelll@earthlink.net Sat Aug 28 01:55:31 1999 "Bob Perry" Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell OUCH! Today, if we saw that... we'd ALL be hangin' around the dumpster waitingforthem to discard that trash... Darrellwww.bamboorods.homepage.com -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell So far I've been very lucky...received about 25-30 rods in the last yearandno mishaps regardless of how poorly they were packed or whether theUSPS orUPS delivered them. However, my first trip to Abercrombie & Fitch as a teenager wanting toseethe Paynes, Leonards, Pezon et Michels, etc I heard of the worst "roddisaster" I've ever heard of. Since, like most teenagers, I didn't havethecash to buy such rods I only wanted to admire and examine them I quietlylooked around the store...for a VERY long time. Finally, seeing no rods ATALL, I enquired where they were. A very embarrassed clerk told me thattheir entire year's shipment had arrived two weeks prior to my visit. Itseems that they were unloaded from the delivery truck and proppedagainstitwhile someone signed for them. Then the delivery driver absent-mindedlyback out of the driveway crushing them all. George Bourke-----Original Message-----From: Tony Young Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:13 PMSubject: RE: The Rod from Hell I got a PM sent to me for repair in a poly tube once where the tubearrived without the cap or rod which was disturbing, however the nextdaythe rod arrived in it's cotton bag in good order. I wouldn't expect thatsort of thing all the time but you can be lucky. I also had a computer dispatched and the truck carrying it rolledwreckingthe computer as you'd expect. The replacement computer then had a forklift impale it. Third go and the computer was droped. I think it wound upbeing delivered in the bosses car. Tony On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Bob Perry wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Shuey, Ralph wrote: And just what courier company do we want to stay awayfrom??????? In my case it would be the US mail. Just last week I received an old7'6", 2pc, 6wt. Those thoughtful federal employees did a freeconversionto a travel rod for me. Now a 4pc. I would rather have the rod thantheinsurance. This was my first big disaster. Still never had onelost or damaged outgoing. This box was folded in half. They just keeppushing it through the system until delivered so noone gets blamed.It was very painful opening that box. Regards, BobFly Supplies /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb?A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Sat Aug 28 03:53:33 1999 Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:56:19 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Re: Book Search Amazon has it. I'm reading a copy of it now which I borrowed from MikeRoberts who just bought it.The best reading is the bit about extracting the silk from pickledsilkworms. I wonder how tequila would work as a pickeling solution?Alwaysworked for me. Mike's a bit of a lurker on this list, sort of bass like. He brought a notyet diped PHY Perfectionist around this morning for a cast. ThePerfectionist is aptly named. There was a 15knot wind when we werecasting and "Mike of the mile long cast" sent a WF#4 to the backing. Very nice rod. Tony On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, irish-george wrote: Of course it is in reprint and available from amazon.com but if you wanta specificprinting I have never found a book search that was better thanhttp://www.bookfinder.com-- it searches something like 50 other book search engines worldwide. Good luck,George Bourke-----Original Message-----From: Tim & Jilly Watson Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:45 AMSubject: Book Search Does anyone know if it is possible to find a copy of The Idyl of the Split-Bamboo A Carefully Detailed Description of the Rod's Building, Prefaced Bya Dissertation on the Joys of Anglingthere being appended some Information on the Home Cultivationof Silkwormsand Suggestions on Landing Nets andother Equipment, andThe Angler's ?????(obscured) George Parker Hol???? M.D, F.A.C.Sprofusely illustrated. It was published by Derrydale Press, Lyon, Mississippi.On the facing page is a picture of three boys fishing, one seated, twostanding,titled The Foreunner of the Split BambooI have no date for it but as you should have guessed by now - its old!Thanks Tim. /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Sat Aug 28 03:53:44 1999 Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:57:39 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell Oooooh, that's gota hurt. On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, irish-george wrote: So far I've been very lucky...received about 25-30 rods in the last yearandno mishaps regardless of how poorly they were packed or whether theUSPS orUPS delivered them. However, my first trip to Abercrombie & Fitch as a teenager wanting toseethe Paynes, Leonards, Pezon et Michels, etc I heard of the worst "roddisaster" I've ever heard of. Since, like most teenagers, I didn't have thecash to buy such rods I only wanted to admire and examine them I quietlylooked around the store...for a VERY long time. Finally, seeing no rods ATALL, I enquired where they were. A very embarrassed clerk told me thattheir entire year's shipment had arrived two weeks prior to my visit. Itseems that they were unloaded from the delivery truck and proppedagainst itwhile someone signed for them. Then the delivery driver absent-mindedlyback out of the driveway crushing them all. George Bourke-----Original Message-----From: Tony Young Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:13 PMSubject: RE: The Rod from Hell I got a PM sent to me for repair in a poly tube once where the tubearrived without the cap or rod which was disturbing, however the nextdaythe rod arrived in it's cotton bag in good order. I wouldn't expect thatsort of thing all the time but you can be lucky. I also had a computer dispatched and the truck carrying it rolledwreckingthe computer as you'd expect. The replacement computer then had a forklift impale it. Third go and the computer was droped. I think it wound upbeing delivered in the bosses car. Tony On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Bob Perry wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Shuey, Ralph wrote: And just what courier company do we want to stay awayfrom??????? In my case it would be the US mail. Just last week I received an old7'6", 2pc, 6wt. Those thoughtful federal employees did a freeconversionto a travel rod for me. Now a 4pc. I would rather have the rod thantheinsurance. This was my first big disaster. Still never had onelost or damaged outgoing. This box was folded in half. They just keeppushing it through the system until delivered so noone gets blamed.It was very painful opening that box. Regards, BobFly Supplies /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb?A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from mschaffer@mindspring.com Sat Aug 28 06:14:06 1999 Subject: 2 Questions: Finishing and ferrule plugs. Guys, I need some help with only 2 (count'em 2) questions this time!!1. The varnish has ,while drying , pulled away from a couple of the glue(Urac 185) joint areas, any ideas? 2. How are the female ferrule plugs retained in the ferrules? RubberO-rings, saw cut the piece going inside, lapping? Thanks for the help, Mike from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sat Aug 28 07:19:04 1999 Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: I've had problems with UPS over the years. Damaged goods.I ship everything by Priority Mail, two to three day deliverymaximum and haven't had a damaged rod or anything else inthe past ten years. Dave Funny, I've had just the opposite experience. No problems with UPS, a fewwith Priority Mail (incoming only, the latest I just posted). Only oneweird near disaster on something I shipped Priority Mail. Rod in it'ssock and aluminum tube, packed in a shipping tube. Package arrived open,rod & sock still inside the shipping tube but not inside the aluminumtube. No damage but very weird. Regards, BobFly Supplies from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Sat Aug 28 08:17:45 1999 Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:21:19 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Re: The Rod from Hell I hate to keep this thread going but I just got told of it today.I like to send rods inside PVC tubing used for plumbing as it bendswithout crushing and I'm yet to see one break though I'm sure it'shappened. Also the plumbing fittings perfect off the shelf and fast touse.When I pack a rod I use the glue for this stuff and glue caps on both endsleaving about 2" at the top and stuff the gap with tissue. Outside thetube I draw a line and say to hacksaw this line to open. No accidental openings on my tubes.I sent a rod off last Friday and the person receiving it called to talkabout the rod and said the mail delivery guys were all very curious aboutthe rod inside. I asked why they were so curious and he told me it wasbecause they saw it was a rod from the insurance documents but weren'table to open the tube to have a look!!!Makes you wonder dosn't it? Tony On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Bob Perry wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 LECLAIR123@aol.com wrote: I've had problems with UPS over the years. Damaged goods.I ship everything by Priority Mail, two to three day deliverymaximum and haven't had a damaged rod or anything else inthe past ten years. Dave Funny, I've had just the opposite experience. No problems with UPS, afewwith Priority Mail (incoming only, the latest I just posted). Only oneweird near disaster on something I shipped Priority Mail. Rod in it'ssock and aluminum tube, packed in a shipping tube. Package arrived open,rod & sock still inside the shipping tube but not inside the aluminumtube. No damage but very weird. Regards, BobFly Supplies /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from brookie@frii.com Sat Aug 28 09:40:08 1999 Subject: Metronoming the Cane I had written some time back, in part, after casting aHardy "Marvel" : No way these cane can be damaged by a little waving action midstream. *G* Quite dramatic change frommy gr**hite, and even MY cane. A very very softtip. I could have recited part of a Dumas story in between forward and back casts. *VBG* But wonderfulsmooth musical cadence to it. When Stu caught fish on it, the rod bent into smooth arc. Then Terry K wrote , quoting the good sir MacLean : "As a Scot and a Presbyterian, my father believed that man by nature was a mess and had fallen from an original state of grace. Somehow, I early developedthe notion that he had done this by falling from a tree.As for my father, I never knew whether he believe God was a mathematician but he certainly believed God could count and that only by picking up God's rhythmswere we able to regain power and beauty.... "So my brother and I learned to cast Presbyterian style, on a metronome. It was mother's metronome,... She would occasionally peer down to the dock...wondering nervously whether (it) could float if it hadto. when she became so over wrought that she thumpeddown the dock to reclaim it, my father would clapout the four-count rhythm with his cupped hands." I must relate that no matter that traditionally the action of cane is slower, I refuse to bend ( pun intended ) *G*As was the case yesterday out on a stream. A new stream part of the water is decidedly off the beaten trail, ona four wheel drive jaunt, and hike in. I threw caution to the wind and took my cane rod. A little6'6", 3 wt ( with 4 wt line, she performs better ). Myfishing pardner for the day is not ( yet ) a cane man, butmore than once he would yell to me, " Slow your castingdown Sue ! " Even instinctively he knew that I was not metro-nomingproperly at all. Shoot fire, MacLean wouldn't have letme on the same stream ! *VBG* But my response to my friend yesterday, (yelling back),"Hey, this IS my casting style, it works, and I catchfish ! " BTW, we caught alot of nice sized browns upto the 14" mark yesterday. Great pocket water with hungry fish coming to the dry ! What's the point ? Not sure, but I can confirm that Imove that little cane back and forth faster than it probablyshould be, but she flings line real nice- like and we catchfish ! :-) She also looks good in the sunlight !suecoloradoPS: Terry, our friend and fellow caner, Jon Clarke shouldbe here now. I'll be getting w/him for exclusive canebending over next week or so . from rcurry@ttlc.net Sat Aug 28 11:04:48 1999 (SMTPD32-5.01) id A941465E004E; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:07:29 EDT Subject: Thanks from Reed Rodmakers,Since Jayne informed the list of our recent loss, we have receivedmany expressions of caring and have been in the prayers of many of you.We are trying to respond to each of you with our thanks, however, Iwould like to give a special "Thank you" for the spirit of the Rodmakerslist. Personal matters are not usually offered up for public consumptionon forums such as this; however, when something does come up, e.g.,Rachel's death or Ralph Moon's hospitalization, the Rodmakers havealways shown that they are of finer stuff (natural, not plastic).Thanks to you all.Best regards,ReedP.S. - Jayne will be expressing her thanks soon. from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Sat Aug 28 11:17:48 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:17:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Metronoming the Cane Sue brings up an interesting point. Really getting "into" a rodseems to take me a while. Only with the rare rod do I feel immediatelycomfortable. Most take anywhere from 30 minutes to an afternoon toreally begin to feel like an extension of my arm. I'd like to thinkthat is largely a function of the different rods, but it's probably mypoor casting abilities.As an example, last summer I spent a few days on a Missouri springcreek. I spent a day with a modified Sir D, and it seemed to functionflawlessly almost immediately. On the other hand, only after many hoursdid my most precious rod, (The first I built) really come alive. It's a7'9" 4 weight, built from Wayne's taper. Once I finally began to feelthe rhythm of that rod, it was wonderful, almost magical. Long, smooth,slow casts that pinpointed tiny dry flies came without thought,seemingly without effort. But that sweet reward took some time.Don't know what point I'm trying to make unless it is this:Anything worthwhile, from rods to casting, takes a little time.Harry Sue K wrote:(liberally snipped) I must relate that no matter that traditionally the actionof cane is slower, I refuse to bend ( pun intended ) *G* I threw caution to the wind and took my cane rod. A little6'6", 3 wt ( with 4 wt line, she performs better ). Myfishing pardner for the day is not ( yet ) a cane man, butmore than once he would yell to me, " Slow your castingdown Sue ! " Even instinctively he knew that I was not metro-nomingproperly at all. Shoot fire, MacLean wouldn't have letme on the same stream ! *VBG* "Hey, this IS my casting style, it works, and I catchfish ! " BTW, we caught alot of nice sized browns upto the 14" mark yesterday. Great pocket water withhungry fish coming to the dry ! What's the point ? Not sure, but I can confirm that Imove that little cane back and forth faster than it probablyshould be, but she flings line real nice- like and we catchfish ! :-) She also looks good in the sunlight !sue from mrj@aa.net Sat Aug 28 12:41:32 1999 Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:41:24 -0700 Subject: RE: 2 Questions: Finishing and ferrule plugs. Are you using Polyurethane varnish? this is common with this type ofvarnish. What I have done which has worked for me is to take 400 to 600gritblack sandpaper and just kind of dust the affected area. What you arereallydoing is to flatten the spot but if the area is small it should beimperceptible. I use three coats and I do this after the first and secondcoat. The third coat is "what I've got" so to speak. You have to be reallycareful because Poly varnish does not feather like Spar varnish does. Isuppose you might be able to dap in a little spar as a filler if it is notthe final coat. I've never tried this but I doubt if you would hurt the rodif you did. again if the area is small, a light sanding between coats hasworked for me. If the area is big, than you just built an experimental ( ora "for personal only") rod and I would be more open to trying a lot moredaring fixes. If I have to repair the finish as described, I usually wait afew extra days between coats because Poly varnish is pretty soft andsandsreally poorly. I mean it sands poorly enough when dry let alone fresh andsoft. NOTE: If you are using spar and you have this problem, I don't know. I'vealways found Spar to be much easier to apply on the rod. I don't think Iever had this problem until I switched to Poly. Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- Subject: 2 Questions: Finishing and ferrule plugs. Guys, I need some help with only 2 (count'em 2) questions this time!!1. The varnish has ,while drying , pulled away from a couple of the glue(Urac 185) joint areas, any ideas? 2. How are the female ferrule plugs retained in the ferrules? RubberO-rings, saw cut the piece going inside, lapping? Thanks for the help, Mike from jik@foxinternet.net Sat Aug 28 13:21:03 1999 Subject: nodeless or not This is my first pole, and I have no idea which is actually the easier or better way to build it. Seems to me that nadeless will always beslightly weaker and might also alter the dynamics of the bamboogreatly, as such the rod. Also, it seems that nodeless would requirea lot of hard work in splicing, though straightening seems just asdifficult but less prone to disaster. Also, the only real reason Ican think of for nodeless would be purely cosmetic. But I don't know either. I am sure some of you have tried both.Which would be my best choice and why? And as to a different subject....I live in WA state, probably THE most humid climate in all of the US. What would be the highest humiditylevel I should be working on this thing in, what parts of construction do I need to be most aware of this, and is there anything I should doto protect the bamboo from warping of whatever? I suppose those whelive in humid climates like this one would be most able to answerthose questions. I would like to work on the rod in the winter andhopefully have it finished by next spring or summer when I willhopefully use it a lot, but we get a LOT of rain during the winter,with only Jan and Feb being at all dry, though with the weather thisyear, who knows if it will ever be dry again :P from jik@foxinternet.net Sat Aug 28 14:22:30 1999 Subject: AJ Thramer 444 DX This taper in the archive is listed as having an 11/64ths ferrule.That would place it at right around point 33" instead of halfway downthe pole at point 26". Seems to me a 9/64ths would be a perfect fitat that point. So, what is the deal with that? from chris@artistree.com Sat Aug 28 15:40:02 1999 Subject: Re: 2 Questions: Finishing and ferrule plugs. Occasionally I see this problem and have solved it by "speeding up" therate of retrieval from the dip tube. I think sometimes the conditionsare just so and the poly will pull itself from the flats while beingretrieved. Speeding up the retrieval rate seems to work every time. I also suggest wiping down the blank with mineral spirits before everycoat and be sure that any undercoats are properly sanded. Good luck.-- Regards, Chris Wohlfordemail: chris@artistree.com Mike Shaffer wrote: Guys, I need some help with only 2 (count'em 2) questions this time!!1. The varnish has ,while drying , pulled away from a couple of the glue(Urac 185) joint areas, any ideas? from rsgould@cmc.net Sat Aug 28 16:33:14 1999 Subject: Ferrule plugs Hi Mike et al,Looks like you already have some good advice on the varnish question soI'll take a stab at the ferrule plug retaining question. Over the yearsI've tried all kinds of ferrule plugs including aluminum, wood, nylon andhigh density polyethylene and find there are two I like best. The allaluminum plug machined to fit with a snug sliding fit works nicely and hasthe advantage that you can make a sleeve with a short flange on it so thatthe ferrule plug does not stick out very far beyond the ferrule. But theone I like best is the "Hardy" type plug turned out of rosewood and fittedwith a cork cylinder to slide inside the ferrule. Since the cork iscompressible it can be easily made to fit in the ferrule bore. Then too youcan turn the rosewood to some fancy configuration and have that be a sortof signature item for your rods. If ferrule plugs are to be furnished itwould be a good idea to make a little pocket in the rod bag to put theplugs in when the rod is in use otherwise they tend to get lost.Ray from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Aug 28 17:21:28 1999 Subject: Re: Book Search watson@cape-consult.co.uk Igot mine at Barnes and Noble from fbcwin@fsbnet.com Sat Aug 28 17:31:13 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Sat, 28 Aug 1999 17:31:06 -0500 Subject: Re: nodeless or not Noah,No one else has jumped in on this, so I'll take a stab. I'm inLouisiana, and our humidity is awful. To compensate, from the time Istart working on a rod until I get the first coat of varnish on it, I keepthe strips in a piece of capped 2" PVC with several ounces of silica geldessicant. Someone on this list suggested that some time ago, and I findit works well. Every week or so, I place the dessicant in the microwaveand nuke it for about 5 minutes. That takes care of the absorbedmoisture.As for nodes/nodeless, you be the judge. My guess is that about80% of us build with nodes. The other 20% go nodeless for a variety ofreasons, perhaps the most common of which is that you can do the heattreating in the kitchen oven. For more information, do a search of thearchives with nodeless as your subject. We've debated this at some lengthover the last few years. Harry from Grhghlndr@aol.com Sat Aug 28 17:37:04 1999 Subject: Re: Ferrule plugs Ray,I have a Leonard rod that I have had for 26 years and it has a ferrule plug with it. I have always made it a habit to put it in my reel case when Itake my reel out. Never lost one yet doing it that way. I also have a certain ritual that I perform when I get ready to fish and do it in reverse when Iam done. Everything goes on in a certain order and is put on as it comes out of it's case and it is put back in it's case in reverse when I am done. Never have I lost anything by putting it on top of any vehicle because of these habits. We have all heard the stories of lost rods and reels because someone remembered thay were on the roof five miles down the road. The onlytime I ever heard of anything ever being recovered is when a guys reel fell offhis car in a Notre Dame priest's front yard just as the priest was getting outof his car in the driveway and saw it happen. The guy went back the next day and the priest saw him looking around and asked him what he was lookingfor, when the guy told the priest the priest went in the house and retrieved the reel. True story guys no s--t.Bret from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sat Aug 28 18:15:59 1999 (rperry@bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us Subject: One piece rod ID? Anyone want to take a stab at who made this one piece bamboo thatshowedup today? I heard Payne did a few and I've seen the Orvis 1pc 6footer. Any done by Leonard? It's a seven footer, u/l aluminum (knurledend cap) over butternut Leonard looking reelseat. The upper hood is underthe cork grip which is cigar shaped. Only mark is the serial# (E65197) onthe aluminum seat. The bamboo is dark and the 7 guides are oxidized, onestripper. Needs a refinish. Someone did a poor revarnish. Haven't castit yet but it sure wiggles NICE. Maybe a 5wt. This may be a candidate fora professional restore. Must have been a bitch to make. from the look ofthe reelseat alone, my guess is it's a find (yardsale). Regards, BobFly Supplies from anglport@con2.com Sat Aug 28 18:51:31 1999 Subject: Re: AJ Thramer 444 DX Noah,The cross-section at 26" would be about .147. That distance is basedonaltitudes of the triangles, also known as apothegms of the hexagon (twicean apothegm = the "thickness" of the rod). The distance across the cornersof the hex, the "radius" of the polygon, would be greater than that; about.1697 in this case. I'll give you the equation if you'd like; most of theguys don't seem to want that kind of info *G*. In a 30-60-90 triangle the three sides are short leg : long leg (ourapothegm): hypotenuse (our radius)as 1 : 1.7321 (it's the sq rt of 3) :2. Therefor the altitude is to 1.7321 as the hypotenuse (radius) is to 2. Thus .0735 hyp----- = -----1.7321 2this gives a hyp (radius) of .0849, or a corner-to-corner distance of .170. If the distance across the corners is .170 and tapered UP in thebutt- direction, the 11/64ths ferrule, at .1719, will fit the rod withouthaving to remove much or any cane from the corners, thereby preservingtheintegrity of the rod to the utmost (You don't want to remove any more canethan you absolutely have to, as any stepdown in diameter provides a sortofdotted-line which says "Break here".)A case COULD be made for a 10/64ths (removing more corner but stillleaving the flats as is), but you'll have to argue THAT one with A.J.Art At 12:29 PM 08/28/1999 -0700, Noah Roberts (jik-) wrote:This taper in the archive is listed as having an 11/64ths ferrule.That would place it at right around point 33" instead of halfway downthe pole at point 26". Seems to me a 9/64ths would be a perfect fitat that point. So, what is the deal with that? from Canerods@aol.com Sat Aug 28 18:57:49 1999 Subject: Re: Greeting from Japan In a message dated 8/27/99 3:29:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, maxs@geocities.co.jp writes: Max, Do you still have your first California rainbow ( from Piru Creek's wildtrout section) picture jpg's on your site? Don Burns from maxs@geocities.co.jp Sat Aug 28 21:41:36 1999 bysv01.geocities.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id LAA02793; Sun, 29Aug 1999 11:41:32+0900 (JST) mail.geocities.co.jp(1.3G-GeocitiesJ-3.1) with SMTP id LAA25249; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:41:30+0900 (JST) Subject: RE: Greeting from Japan Hello Don san, Max, Do you still have your first California rainbow ( from Piru Creek's wildtroutsection) picture jpg's on your site? Don Burns Yes, I DO! at the menu of "Rivers Visited". Your picture with our friend isalso still posted. Maxhttp://members.tripod.com/maxrodcraft from rsgould@cmc.net Sat Aug 28 22:55:59 1999 Subject: One piece rod Hi Bob,The serial number on an aluminum reel seat E65197 sounds like a Hardyrod.If you have a copy of Turners book "Fishing Tackle: A Collectors Guide "you might look up that number.Ray from watson@cape-consult.co.uk Sun Aug 29 03:47:06 1999 (BST) Subject: Book Search and Apologies boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01BEF203.652379C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BEF203.652379C0 Firstly, thanks to everyone who has responed on the book search. I have =found it and will be ordering shortly.Secondly, my sincerest apologies to the list for placing my 'subscribe' =pleas in the wrong place. It's not till it has gone that you realise how =much you grow to appreciate the contact and the information - =unfortunatley in this instance desperation overuled correct procedure! =Many thanks to all those who pointed me in the right direction.Tim. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BEF203.652379C0 Firstly, thanks to everyone whohas = shortly.Secondly, my sincerest apologiesto = placing my 'subscribe' pleas in the wrong place. It's not till it has = you realise how much you grow to appreciate the contact and the = unfortunatley in this instance desperation overuled correct procedure! = thanks to all those who pointed me in the right direction.Tim. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BEF203.652379C0-- from LECLAIR123@aol.com Sun Aug 29 11:02:59 1999 Subject: Info on LL Bean Rod A gentleman came into my shop the other day with a canerod that was his fathers. He is interested in selling it and wanted me to give him an estimate on it's value. I can't findmuch info on L. L. Bean rods. If anyone out there knows anything about them, I would appreciate any info on it's value. It is a nine foot, three piece, with one tip. The shaft saysBeans Double L. It is in excellent condition, in the originalleather case, with LL Bean label stitched inside the leathercase. Any info as to value, etc., would be appreciated. Thanks Guys, Dave L. from rfairfie@cisco.com Sun Aug 29 12:23:01 1999 SMTP idKAA20665; "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" ,"Eastkoyfly@aol.com" Subject: Re: Ferrules All, I use a similar technique, but use an exacto knife, and holding theblade at 90* tothe work, scrape 5 times on each corner before rotating the blank to thenext corner.Check for fit after each revolution. This works for me. Tnx,RogerAt 06:33 PM 8/27/99 -0400, Chris Bogart wrote:Joe I have had my last couple of classes mount their ferrules w/o using alathejust because it is fairly easy to do and it eliminates the need themrunning out andbuying a lathe. You can do it with a mill bastard file and a bit of patience. First mark your rod blank with pencil where the end of the ferrulewill be andalso where the tabs end. Also put an idiot mark on one flat to remind you where youstart and end. Now take several swipes with the mill bastard file on the edge of theflat and then rotate to the next flat until you end back up at your idiot mark. I normallytake three swipes starting at where the ferrule ends and three fromwhere the tabs end on the first pass. Now check and see if the ferrule fits. If not, take a few more passes from the tab mark forward on all sides. Check again. Do this until the ferrulefits snug on the rod blank and stop. You may find that you may need something to support the strip whileyouuse the file but if you are careful you can get an excellent fit. Chris On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:13:09 EDT, Eastkoyfly@aol.com wrote: Hello,Can any one help me out with mounting ferrules without a lathe allthe books talk about doing it with one, but I'm not able to purchase a latheor use one at this timeThanks ahead of time Joseph A Perrigo II from rvenneri@ulster.net Sun Aug 29 14:20:06 1999 Subject: Pa Gathering Hope to see a lot of you guys at the gathering. I will be bringing somereel seats and also if any one is interested I have a bunch of wood ThatI would be willing to share with any of you guys that make there ownseats. Let me know if any one is interested contact me off list and letme know what you would want me to bring. See you there. Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.html from CAdams46@compuserve.com Sun Aug 29 15:34:14 1999 Subject: Muskie Poles I was asked to build a fly rod for a fellow who is planning ongoing lake fly fishing for muskie. I was wondering if anyone had anysuggestions for a suitable taper. Thanks for any suggestions.C.R. Adams from mschaffer@mindspring.com Sun Aug 29 19:48:31 1999 Subject: Scrap NS wanted Guys,If anyone has any scrap nickel silver pieces laying around and justcollecting dust, I would be happy to take it/them off your hands. I want tosee if I can cast a winding check from nickle silver, but having noexperience with the metal , I don't honestly know what weirdcharacteristicsit may have when heated.What I'm looking for is just some free scrap that anyone may have aroundandhave no use for, so I can experiment. I would rather be able to use somebulk metal, but from what I've been told it isn't available--unlesssomeoneknows a dealer I can contact!Anyway, just another of my goofy ideas, one thing in my favor though isthatI used to be a custom jeweler, so I'm not totally coming from left field!Thanks, Mike from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Sun Aug 29 21:05:21 1999 (5.5.2448.0) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: splicing strips Chris,I make nodeless rods and use strips from the same culm for each rod.After removing all the nodes from a culm, I split each section into twentyfour pieces which are bundled together. Each bundle is numbered so that Ican tell where in the culm it came from. Starting with bundle #1, whichstarted life at the bottom of the culm, I lay out the pieces beginning atthe bottom of what will become the butt section. When I run out of piecesImove on to bundle #2 and so on up the rod.I don't know how much difference this makes in the long run but Ifigure it can't do any harm either. If I wasn't so damned lazy I'dexperiment by jumbling a whole lot of strips from different bundles, andeven culms, before I began splicing and just see how the rod turned out.I'm almost positive it would cast fine but repeating the action in asubsequent rod might pose problems. Still, we all know that each culm isdifferent, so that problem exists anyway.I suppose what I'm trying to say is that it probably doesn't make ahell of a lot of difference. Cheers Mike Roberts -----Original Message----- Subject: splicing strips as long as the list is slow is anybody on the list splicingstrips alla garrison's book, is it more important to makeall the strips out of the same culm than just substitutinga strip from another culm, and you nodless guys do you mixand match culms or stay with 1 culm 1 rodchris from iank@nelson.planet.org.nz Sun Aug 29 21:59:29 1999 sage.ts.co.nz with SMTP id OAA08457; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:59:36 +1200 Subject: Re: One piece rod ID? Bob, If it is a Hardy , and the number sounds like a Hardy number as does thereel seat, then it would be 1943 rod. I checked in Turners and the 1 piece rods they list are mainly sea rods. (they did have a 1 piece between 9' and 11' built between 1995 and 1939 .They also produced a one piece spinning rod in the 1930's , could it be aspinning rod? Ian Kearney At 07:13 PM 28/08/99 -0400, Bob Perry wrote:Anyone want to take a stab at who made this one piece bamboo thatshowedup today? I heard Payne did a few and I've seen the Orvis 1pc 6footer. Any done by Leonard? It's a seven footer, u/l aluminum (knurledend cap) over butternut Leonard looking reelseat. The upper hood is underthe cork grip which is cigar shaped. Only mark is the serial# (E65197) onthe aluminum seat. The bamboo is dark and the 7 guides are oxidized, onestripper. Needs a refinish. Someone did a poor revarnish. Haven't castit yet but it sure wiggles NICE. Maybe a 5wt. This may be a candidate fora professional restore. Must have been a bitch to make. from the look ofthe reelseat alone, my guess is it's a find (yardsale). Regards, BobFly Supplies from djk762@hotmail.com Sun Aug 29 22:35:39 1999 Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:35:06 PDT Subject: Nodes under ferrules Rodmakers, In "The Lovely Reed" Howell mentions not placing nodes under ferrules. Would not this be a good place to hide a node so as to get more node free space next to the ferrule?David KashubaFair Oaks CA ______________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com from cathcreek@hotmail.com Sun Aug 29 23:21:58 1999 Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:21:24 PDT Subject: Re: was Ferrule plugs, now lost rod story Speaking of lost rods: Fellow told me a story about his (now) Edwards Quad,(was his uncle's). Uncle loses tip of quadrate while fishing in Montana, figures it is gone forever. Sends a note to fellow who he had fished with. Winter hits and then Spring and a couple is talking to the uncle's friend. Mention a rod tip they had found near the river. It was left in the cabin they were staying in. Friend goes to look and is quad tip. Sends to uncle, and the rod and tip are now the nephew's (I could not talk himm out of it). Robert Clarkecathcreek@hotmail.com From: Grhghlndr@aol.com CC: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: Re: Ferrule plugsDate: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:36:15 EDTSNIP.We have all heard the stories of lost rods and reels because someoneremembered thay were on the roof five miles down the road. The onlytime Iever heard of anything ever being recovered is when a guys reel fell off hiscar in a Notre Dame priest's front yard just as the priest was getting out ofhis car in the driveway and saw it happen. The guy went back the nextdayand the priest saw him looking around and asked him what he was looking for,when the guy told the priest the priest went in the house and retrievedthereel. True story guys no s--t.Bret ______________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Mon Aug 30 00:59:48 1999 (5.5.2448.0) irish-george Subject: Perfectionist Hi all,and humble thanks to Tony for his compliment re my distancecasting.....acuracy...what's that? I'm not that talented. It's just that Ilearned to fly cast by flinging weighted chooks on WF#8 line with agraphite8/9# thunderstick while standing in a 25 knot sea breeze. Anyone whodoesthat for a while will get to see the backing on a regular basis in anythingless than a cyclone. The trouble is it relies on brute force rather thangraceful and well timed casting.The first time I met Tony we went across to the park with a coupleof rods. I had never even seen, let alone cast, a split bamboo fly rod butI was smitten the moment I got some line in the air with one. I think itwas a Driggs or a Para 15 and it cast itself. No effort, just smoothgraceful power from butt to tip that nearly sent the line into orbit. I wasa bit surprised when Tony told me that, being a graphite user, I wassupposed to think bamboo, especially parabolics, were a bit "noodly".The Perfectionist that Tony mentioned might be considered noodly bysome people but I have no complaints about a noodle that chucks an entireline. That P.H.Young was one smart fella! Regards Mike Mike's a bit of a lurker on this list, sort of bass like. He brought a notyet diped PHY Perfectionist around this morning for a cast. ThePerfectionist is aptly named. There was a 15knot wind when we werecasting and "Mike of the mile long cast" sent a WF#4 to the backing. Very nice rod. Tony On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, irish-george wrote: Of course it is in reprint and available from amazon.com but if you wantaspecific printing I have never found a book search that was better thanhttp://www.bookfinder.com -- it searches something like 50 other booksearchengines worldwide. Good luck,George Bourke-----Original Message-----From: Tim & Jilly Watson Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:45 AMSubject: Book Search Does anyone know if it is possible to find a copy of The Idyl of the Split-Bamboo A Carefully Detailed Description of the Rod's Building, Prefaced Bya Dissertation on the Joys of Anglingthere being appended some Information on the Home Cultivationof Silkwormsand Suggestions on Landing Nets andother Equipment, andThe Angler's ?????(obscured) George Parker Hol???? M.D, F.A.C.Sprofusely illustrated. It was published by Derrydale Press, Lyon, Mississippi.On the facing page is a picture of three boys fishing, one seated, twostanding, titled The Foreunner of the Split BambooI have no date for it but as you should have guessed by now - its old!Thanks Tim. /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from brookie@frii.com Mon Aug 30 08:15:21 1999 Subject: Heart Pine Burl ? Alright, I have fallen in love with some wood. Saw it on a fine cane rod,and surely am interested in finding a source, even limited, of thematerial. I'm told it's all but wiped out in the southern states. But afriend found some at a wood shop. I don't need alot, just enough for a couple of reel seats. Heart Pine Burl ...anyone know of a source or could call locally ( if you're down in thesouthern tier ? ) thanks,sueColorado from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Mon Aug 30 08:48:28 1999 GAA26191 (5.5.2448.0) Subject: lathe When I worked as a luthier (violin maker) we used a south bend lathe forturning ebonyviolin pegs. It turns out that a 1/4" gouge fits perfectly in a old fashiontool postholder and turns wood with virtually no need for sanding. We turned chiselhandles andeverything on it and also found out that we could fit a shop made scraperon it thatwith a different profile would be easy to make the recess for the reelfoot, that wouldend up perfectly centered and straight. I don't know if this would helpanybody or notbut it is just a suggestion for another way of doing things. I found out thatif thegouge is a little bit higher than dead center it removes a continuousshaving from whatever you are turning, especially with the use of power feed and it ends upperfectlyround and the same dimention from end to end without having great lathetechnique andthat was turning curly and burled maple and myrtle. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Mon Aug 30 10:38:44 1999 Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:43:30 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Re: lathe Patrick,thanks for the handy hint. I'll try that next time I turn reel seatfillers. Tony On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Coffey, Patrick W wrote: When I worked as a luthier (violin maker) we used a south bend lathe forturning ebonyviolin pegs. It turns out that a 1/4" gouge fits perfectly in a old fashiontool postholder and turns wood with virtually no need for sanding. We turned chiselhandles andeverything on it and also found out that we could fit a shop made scraperon it thatwith a different profile would be easy to make the recess for the reelfoot, that wouldend up perfectly centered and straight. I don't know if this would helpanybody or notbut it is just a suggestion for another way of doing things. I found out thatif thegouge is a little bit higher than dead center it removes a continuousshaving from whatever you are turning, especially with the use of power feed and it ends upperfectlyround and the same dimention from end to end without having great lathetechnique andthat was turning curly and burled maple and myrtle. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from rperry@suffolk.lib.ny.us Mon Aug 30 11:42:51 1999 (rperry@bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us Subject: Re: One piece rod ID? My guess - Hardy?Don Hi Bob,The serial number on an aluminum reel seat E65197 sounds like a Hardyrod. If you have a copy of Turners book "Fishing Tackle: A CollectorsGuide " you might look up that number.Ray Bob, If it is a Hardy , and the number sounds like a Hardy number as does thereel seat, then it would be 1943 rod. I checked in Turners and the 1 piece rods they list are mainly sea rods.(they did have a 1 piece between 9' and 11' built between 1995 and 1939.They also produced a one piece spinning rod in the 1930's , could it bea spinning rod? Ian Thanks for all the replies so far. I know the serial# is right for aHardy but the rod just doesn't look like any Hardy I've ever seen. I'llcheck it out with Hardy England. Regarding Hardy spinning rods, it's nota spinning rod now and if it's a conversion and the reelseat came from aHardy flyrod, that would be very confusing. Tiptop/stripper are not Hardyagate. I've never seen a Hardy so dark either. Aren't 1pc seven footersquite rare? This one is about a 5wt. Regards, Bob from RMargiotta@aol.com Mon Aug 30 11:55:30 1999 Subject: Re: One piece rod ID? Bob: According to a reprint of the 1927 Cross/South Bend Catalog in DickSpurr's and Gloria Jordan's book on Wes Jordan, there was a Cross Singlebuilt 1-piece rod produced. The Model No. is 1400, usually offered as a 9'0" rod at 4 3/4 oz. for $45.00. The text states that it is offered "in any length to 9 feet". Doesn't say anthing about reel seat design or any other feature. Cross rods did have serial numbers, but I don't think they had letters in them (just numbers). --Rich from darrelll@earthlink.net Mon Aug 30 12:34:13 1999 Subject: Re: Heart Pine Burl ? I've got this coffee table top size hunk of highly burled dark wood,probably redwood from my hippie days in the 60's... never did much with itexcept prop it on a couple of milk cartons and use it... maybe ought to haveit cut down into blocks that could be turned... The wood is gorgeous. It'sbeen collecting dust... (seasoning) for over 30 years... Darrell Rain Forest Redwood Reel Seats... has a catchy ring to it... (groan) 8^)-----Original Message----- Subject: Heart Pine Burl ? Alright, I have fallen in love with some wood. Saw it on a fine cane rod,and surely am interested in finding a source, even limited, of thematerial. I'm told it's all but wiped out in the southern states. But afriend found some at a wood shop. I don't need alot, just enough for a couple of reel seats. Heart Pine Burl ...anyone know of a source or could call locally ( if you're down in thesouthern tier ? ) thanks,sueColorado from rsgould@cmc.net Mon Aug 30 12:46:33 1999 Subject: Nodes under ferrules Hi David,It seems to me that the critical thing is not to have a node at or close tothe shoulder of the ferrule where the cane begins to show. This is often ahigh stress area and should be node free. Also if you are pinning yourferrules it is also a good area to keep node free. It probably would dolittle harm to have a node way up into the ferrule.Ray from brookie@frii.com Mon Aug 30 12:49:09 1999 Subject: Re: Heart Pine Burl ? At 10:33 AM 8/30/1999 -0700, you wrote:I've got this coffee table top size hunk of highly burled dark wood, probably redwood from my hippie days in the 60's... never did much with it except prop it on a couple of milkcartons and use it... maybe ought to have it cut down into blocks that could be turned... The wood is gorgeous. It's been collecting dust... (seasoning) for over 30 years... Darrell Rain Forest Redwood Reel Seats... has a catchy ring to it... ya gotta cut slack to former hippies, they jump from onesubject to an unrelated one. I know, I am one.... so thisredwood, the green minded would be displeased, I'd keep quiet about this Darrell, you might have someone coming to take it away for the SLOWDEATH Museum of Dastardly Deeds Done in the 60's. Myself ? Well, there are these wonderful meerschaum pipes around somewhere, those are ivory tusks, yes / no ? Glad I've graduated to slower pace, substance free, andonly addiction is flyfishing ! With a creeping sidebaraddiction of cane approaching me over last two years .... *G* sueColorado from anglport@con2.com Mon Aug 30 13:37:00 1999 Subject: Re: Heart Pine Burl ? Rain Forest Redwood Reel Seats... has a catchy ring to it... (groan) 8^) Uhhh, I dunno about that....starts to sound a lot like "Made fromendangered species", no? (If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?)*BSEG*Art from anglport@con2.com Mon Aug 30 13:40:04 1999 Subject: Re: Nodes under ferrules I often do my planning ( and planing) so as to clip at the center of thenode or just before it. I figure that part that's under the ferrule canhave the ends of the power fibers and reinforce them with NiSi. Never losta ferrule station yet ('til I just said THAT, right?).Must admit, I've never pinned though.Art At 10:46 AM 08/30/1999 -0700, Ray Gould wrote:Hi David,It seems to me that the critical thing is not to have a node at or close tothe shoulder of the ferrule where the cane begins to show. This is often ahigh stress area and should be node free. Also if you are pinning yourferrules it is also a good area to keep node free. It probably would dolittle harm to have a node way up into the ferrule.Ray from anglport@con2.com Mon Aug 30 13:43:26 1999 Subject: Re: Heart Pine Burl ? Sue,Rest your conscience. My dictionary says meerschaum is a mineral,not atusk or bone. Always thought that, but you made it sound so right I had tolook it up to be sure.Art At 11:39 AM 08/30/1999 -0600, Sue K. wrote:At 10:33 AM 8/30/1999 - 0700, you wrote:I've got this coffee table top size hunk of highly burled dark wood, probably redwood from my hippie days in the 60's... never did much with it except prop it on a couple of milkcartons and use it... maybe ought to have it cut down into blocks that could be turned... The wood is gorgeous. It's been collecting dust... (seasoning) for over 30 years... Darrell Rain Forest Redwood Reel Seats... has a catchy ring to it... ya gotta cut slack to former hippies, they jump from onesubject to an unrelated one. I know, I am one.... so thisredwood, the green minded would be displeased, I'd keep quiet about this Darrell, you might have someone coming to take it away for the SLOWDEATH Museum of Dastardly Deeds Done in the 60's. Myself ? Well, there are these wonderful meerschaum pipes around somewhere, those are ivory tusks, yes / no ? Glad I've graduated to slower pace, substance free, andonly addiction is flyfishing ! With a creeping sidebaraddiction of cane approaching me over last two years .... *G* sueColorado from darrelll@earthlink.net Mon Aug 30 16:33:09 1999 Subject: Re: Heart Pine Burl ? Well, I should have corrected myself... probably from some groovy oldgrowthtree... I don't recall too much about those bitchin days... I may have beenin a haze and confused... Far out... Peace, Darrell-----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Heart Pine Burl ? At 10:33 AM 8/30/1999 -0700, you wrote:I've got this coffee table top size hunk of highly burled darkwood, probably redwood from my hippie days in the 60's...never did much with it except prop it on a couple of milkcartons and use it... maybe ought to have it cut down intoblocks that could be turned... The wood is gorgeous. It'sbeen collecting dust... (seasoning) for over 30 years... Darrell Rain Forest Redwood Reel Seats... has a catchy ring to it... ya gotta cut slack to former hippies, they jump from onesubject to an unrelated one. I know, I am one.... so thisredwood, the green minded would be displeased, I'd keepquiet about this Darrell, you might have someone comingto take it away for the SLOWDEATH Museum of DastardlyDeeds Done in the 60's. Myself ? Well, there are thesewonderful meerschaum pipes around somewhere, thoseare ivory tusks, yes / no ? Glad I've graduated to slower pace, substance free, andonly addiction is flyfishing ! With a creeping sidebaraddiction of cane approaching me over last two years .... *G* sueColorado from flytyr@southshore.com Mon Aug 30 17:25:25 1999 0500 Subject: N/S winding checks Where might be a good place to find N/S windingchecks. Had not given much thought till now that Iam getting ready to assemble the blanks that Ihave glued up. I used a rubber one on my first rodand I don't want to do that on my "Gift" rods. Idid find a few ferrules to get me buy for now.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from leroyt@involved.com Mon Aug 30 17:55:40 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61049U4500L450S0V35)with SMTP id com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:55:00 -0700 Subject: Re: What about a Starrett Depth Gauge for setting forms... boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013C_01BEF300.F2B43B00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013C_01BEF300.F2B43B00 This took some time for me to figure out as I was getting all types of =readings. You need to make or buy some type of calibrating gauge. I use =one that I made myself or use roll pins and a dial caliper to measure = Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 7:23 PMSubject: What about a Starrett Depth Gauge for setting forms... As I slowly gather my rodmaking tools, I wonder how suitable a =Starrett Depth gauge will work... I looked at their catalog and it =appears they sell a contact point that might be the correct 60 degree =point... I've emailed them today so I haven't gotten a reply as of yet. What do you recommend as a dial gage setup for setting the forms... Thanks, Darrell Leewww.BambooRods.homepage.com ------=_NextPart_000_013C_01BEF300.F2B43B00 This took some time for me= as I was getting all types of readings. You need to make or buy some = calibrating gauge. I use one that I made myself or use roll pins and a = ----- Original Message ----- Lee Makers Sent: Wednesday, August 25, = PMSubject: What about a Starrett = Gauge for setting forms... As Islowly = rodmaking tools, I wonder how suitable a Starrett Depth gauge will = looked at their catalog and it appears they sell a contact point that = the correct 60 degree point... I've emailed them today so I haven't = reply as of yet. What do you recommend as a= setup for setting the forms... Thanks, Darrell Leewww.BambooRods.homepage.com ------=_NextPart_000_013C_01BEF300.F2B43B00-- from anglport@con2.com Mon Aug 30 18:27:11 1999 "Rod Makers" Subject: Re: What about a Starrett Depth Gauge for setting forms... Darrell and Leroy,I don't know if roll pins will do the trick. I think you're better offwith a drill and use the non-fluted end. If it's not from theanything-for-a-quarter drawer, it'll be very accurate.Art At 04:01 PM 08/30/1999 -0700, leroy teeple wrote:This took some time for me to figure out as I was getting all types ofreadings. You need to make or buy some type of calibrating gauge. I useone that I made myself or use roll pins and a dial caliper to measure yourv grove and set your depth gauge accordingly ----- Original Message August 25, 1999 7:23 PM Subject: What about a Starrett Depth Gauge As I slowly gather my rodmaking tools, I wonder how suitable aStarrett Depth gauge will work... I looked at their catalog and itappears they sell a contact point that might be the correct 60 degreepoint... I've emailed them today so I haven't gotten a reply as of yet. What do you recommend as a dial gage setup for setting the forms...Thanks, Darrell Lee www.BambooRods.homepage.com from leroyt@involved.com Mon Aug 30 23:05:34 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61049U4500L450S0V35)with SMTP id com for ;Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:04:55 -0700 Subject: list boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEF32C.3F8BF500" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEF32C.3F8BF500 Is everybody fishing or is the list just a little slow? =Leroy............ ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEF32C.3F8BF500 Is everybody fishing or is = a little slow? Leroy............ ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEF32C.3F8BF500-- from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Mon Aug 30 23:17:02 1999 (5.5.2448.0) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: list Leroy,the list is a bit slow but has also been doing some pretty weirdthings lately. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- Subject: list Is everybody fishing or is the list just a little slow? Leroy............ from jik@foxinternet.net Tue Aug 31 05:47:35 1999 Subject: indoor practice rod I was watching a video the other night on casting by Joan Wulff. Shehad this small rod (about 2-3 foot) that cast a thick yarn for indoorpractice. Looked like a cool thing to have to practice with, I wantone. Also might be a good place to use otherwise wasted materials.So, anyone know what I am reffering to and possibly have a taper? from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Tue Aug 31 05:53:21 1999 with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.5.0e.R) Subject: PA Gathering boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEF37D.550057E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEF37D.550057E0 Those of you who are going to the PA gathering, and would like to =share a fine imported cigar and some good conversation email me at =jcbyrd@direct- pest.com and let me know. I will be bringing my portable =humidor chocked full of stogies. Maybe we can get together share a =stogie and talk rodbuilding. Joe ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEF37D.550057E0 Those of you who are going to the PA gathering, = like to share a fine imported cigar and some good conversation email =me at jcbyrd@direct-pest.comand = rodbuilding. Joe ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEF37D.550057E0-- from jik@foxinternet.net Tue Aug 31 05:54:01 1999 Subject: Deluse? I have a rod I bought a few years ago for $5 at a garage sale. Lookslike it says K-W Deluse, but it is worn and hard to read. Its got aplastic real seat, very dark red wood, 9ft long....who knows on theweight. It was in pretty bad shape, in fact I got 2 for that priceand managed to make this one useable out of the 2 having no idea whatI was doing. I do like its action though....if one of the ferruleswasn't missing I might fish with it...though it is a bit tall. from harry37@epix.net Tue Aug 31 07:09:59 1999 IAA02162; Subject: Re: N/S winding checks Tony Spezio wrote: Where might be a good place to find N/S windingchecks. Had not given much thought till now that Iam getting ready to assemble the blanks that Ihave glued up. I used a rubber one on my first rodand I don't want to do that on my "Gift" rods. Idid find a few ferrules to get me buy for now.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com Try REC--you need an ID, but you can fit them pretty easily if they're alittle tight. no commercial interest, just good experience, yadda, yadda...... from darrelll@earthlink.net Tue Aug 31 07:12:25 1999 Subject: Re: indoor practice rod You can buy one (gasp) at Bob Marriotts www.bobmarriotts.com for about30clams but better yet, just use a tip section of an inexpensive rod or yourtwo for one rod and use that... The lighter weight the better. darrellwww.bamboorods.homepage.com-----Original Message----- Subject: indoor practice rod I was watching a video the other night on casting by Joan Wulff. Shehad this small rod (about 2-3 foot) that cast a thick yarn for indoorpractice. Looked like a cool thing to have to practice with, I wantone. Also might be a good place to use otherwise wasted materials.So, anyone know what I am reffering to and possibly have a taper? from LambersonW@missouri.edu Tue Aug 31 08:10:27 1999 (5.5.2448.0) Subject: REC Uniferrules Last night I had my first experience fitting an REC Uniferrule. Thecompanysuggests that because of improved tolerances in manufacture, only half anhour is needed to complete the fitting. Don't believe it! I have spent anhour and a half already with no end in sight. The first ten minutes wererequired to take too much off the male and the remainder of the time hasbeen spent trying to correct my error. The ferrule has seemed toeffectively resist the usual suggestions for expanding the male orcompressing the female. I have tried putting lead shot in the male andusing a hammer and punch to cause the male to bulge. Repeated attemptshavecaused some swelling but when the lead is removed the ferrule returns tooriginal size. Perhaps I am not attacking it with sufficient aggression,but the lead shot had lumped together to the point that it had to be drilledout. Would sand be a better choice? I have also put the female in a Jacobschuck and screwed it down. Again, when the pressure is released it seemstogo back to original dimension. I welcome your suggestions. If you are fitting a Uniferrule for the firsttime, be careful. I was fitting by hand with 600 grit sandpaper and it tookno time to go too far. This particular set at least came from REC veryclose to final dimensions. Bill Lamberson from eestlow@srminc.com Tue Aug 31 08:23:38 1999 Subject: Re: indoor practice rod 1999) at 08/31/9908:18:00 AM They're called Fly-O's. You can buy them lots of places, but can also makethem from the tip section of any rod - taper doesn't matter. Graphite,fiberglass, broken spinning rod, etc., etc. Length of (quite thick) yarnmight matter a little. Experiment a little. We use these things to teachfly casting at our spring fly fishing clinic. Best regards,-Ed Estlow "Darrell Lee",t> Sent by: cc:owner- rodmakers@wugate Subject: Re: indoor practicerod.wustl.edu 08/31/99 07:12 AMPlease respond todarrelll You can buy one (gasp) at Bob Marriotts www.bobmarriotts.com for about30clams but better yet, just use a tip section of an inexpensive rod or yourtwo for one rod and use that... The lighter weight the better. darrellwww.bamboorods.homepage.com-----Original Message----- Subject: indoor practice rod I was watching a video the other night on casting by Joan Wulff. Shehad this small rod (about 2-3 foot) that cast a thick yarn for indoorpractice. Looked like a cool thing to have to practice with, I wantone. Also might be a good place to use otherwise wasted materials.So, anyone know what I am reffering to and possibly have a taper? from rCoring@Industra.com Tue Aug 31 09:34:20 1999 be forged)) Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:36:06 -0800 darrelll@earthlink.net, Rod Makers Subject: RE: What about a Starrett Depth Gauge for setting forms... Alternative is to use a roller from an old roller bearing. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: What about a Starrett Depth Gauge for setting forms... Darrell and Leroy,I don't know if roll pins will do the trick. I think you're betteroffwith a drill and use the non-fluted end. If it's not from theanything-for-a-quarter drawer, it'll be very accurate.Art At 04:01 PM 08/30/1999 -0700, leroy teeple wrote:This took some time for me to figure out as I was getting all types ofreadings. You need to make or buy some type of calibrating gauge. I useone that I made myself or use roll pins and a dial caliper to measure yourv grove and set your depth gauge accordingly ----- Original Message August 25, 1999 7:23 PM Subject: What about a Starrett Depth Gauge As I slowly gather my rodmaking tools, I wonder how suitable aStarrett Depth gauge will work... I looked at their catalog and itappears they sell a contact point that might be the correct 60 degreepoint... I've emailed them today so I haven't gotten a reply as of yet. What do you recommend as a dial gage setup for setting the forms...Thanks, Darrell Lee www.BambooRods.homepage.com from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Tue Aug 31 09:46:36 1999 Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:51:20 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Re: REC Uniferrules Bill,I'd imagine REC is using 18% ns rod so they are a bit harder to dress eventhough they're close to final dimensions. Mine are made with this rod within one or two thou and I start dressing with 200 grit until the malealmost fits then reduce to 400 grit etc. This way as you get closer tofinished it's harder to remove metal. Tony On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Lamberson, William R. wrote: Last night I had my first experience fitting an REC Uniferrule. Thecompanysuggests that because of improved tolerances in manufacture, only halfanhour is needed to complete the fitting. Don't believe it! I have spent anhour and a half already with no end in sight. The first ten minutes wererequired to take too much off the male and the remainder of the time hasbeen spent trying to correct my error. The ferrule has seemed toeffectively resist the usual suggestions for expanding the male orcompressing the female. I have tried putting lead shot in the male andusing a hammer and punch to cause the male to bulge. Repeated attemptshavecaused some swelling but when the lead is removed the ferrule returnstooriginal size. Perhaps I am not attacking it with sufficient aggression,but the lead shot had lumped together to the point that it had to bedrilledout. Would sand be a better choice? I have also put the female in aJacobschuck and screwed it down. Again, when the pressure is released itseems togo back to original dimension. I welcome your suggestions. If you are fitting a Uniferrule for the firsttime, be careful. I was fitting by hand with 600 grit sandpaper and ittookno time to go too far. This particular set at least came from REC veryclose to final dimensions. Bill Lamberson /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from jczimny@dol.net Tue Aug 31 09:49:55 1999 Subject: Re: REC Uniferrules Dear Bill,I feel your pain. But, all of us has made this mistake from time to time.Thereis no use in putting an inferior ferrule on a good rod. If the rod turns out tobe good, you will regret the bad ferrule. My best advice is to dispose of theferrule and fit a new one.John Z from leroyt@involved.com Tue Aug 31 10:20:30 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61049U4500L450S0V35)with SMTP id com; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:19:51 -0700 Subject: Re: REC Uniferrules Dear Bill,Discard the small ferrule and start over. We use some slip stones and alittle cutting fluid or some sand paper backed with a piece of metal orsomething that is true and flat and go slow.Good luck, Leroy.................---- - Original Message ----- Subject: Re: REC Uniferrules Dear Bill,I feel your pain. But, all of us has made this mistake from time to time.Thereis no use in putting an inferior ferrule on a good rod. If the rod turnsout tobe good, you will regret the bad ferrule. My best advice is to dispose oftheferrule and fit a new one.John Z from rvenneri@ulster.net Tue Aug 31 17:06:27 1999 Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:21:54 -0400 Subject: Re: PA Gathering Joe C. Byrd wrote: Those of you who are going to the PA gathering, and wouldlike to share a fine imported cigar and some goodconversation email me at jcbyrd@direct- pest.com and let meknow. I will be bringing my portable humidor chocked fullof stogies. Maybe we can get together share a stogie andtalk rodbuilding. JoeJoe My wife will kill me if she knows Im smoking cigars. Count me in. Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.html from bobspring@yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 17:18:14 1999 1999 15:19:34 PDT Subject: Ralph Moon's Successful 5x Heart Surgery Ralph walked out of the surgical suite friday afternoon after a fivebypass heart surgery in Salt Lake City. He is recovering well, and expects to be released by this weekend. The tele # is 801-321-1415 He said he is still a hex guy. __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com from djk762@hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 17:32:04 1999 Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:09:33 PDT Subject: C.S.E. Reel Seats Rodmakers-Any reports on Classic Sporting Enterprises' reel seats?I'm looking for a simple mortised slide band similar to the StrubleD2NS.David KashubaFair Oaks Ca ______________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com from darrelll@earthlink.net Tue Aug 31 18:38:34 1999 Subject: Re: PA Gathering Bob, I'll see you at the gathering... looking forward to meeting live listmembers... I'll see if I have room in my luggage to bring a bottle of Cognac... I'm intoo! Is anybody going to demo the scary sharp sharpening technique??? I'llvolunteer my plane irons... Darrellwww.bamboorods.homepage.com -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: PA Gathering Joe C. Byrd wrote: Those of you who are going to the PA gathering, and wouldlike to share a fine imported cigar and some goodconversation email me at jcbyrd@direct- pest.com and let meknow. I will be bringing my portable humidor chocked fullof stogies. Maybe we can get together share a stogie andtalk rodbuilding. JoeJoeMy wife will kill me if she knows Im smoking cigars. Count me in. Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.html from anglport@con2.com Tue Aug 31 19:17:07 1999 "Rod Makers" Subject: Re: PA Gathering Ya know.....if anybody wants it and nobody's doing it, I'll bring my stuff.I love the system. My blades may not be as sharp as some other guys' butthey're a damn-sight sharper than they ever were before. All it entails isa piece of plate glass and some sandpaper.Art At 04:37 PM 08/31/1999 -0700, Darrell Lee wrote:Bob, I'll see you at the gathering... looking forward to meeting live listmembers... I'll see if I have room in my luggage to bring a bottle of Cognac... I'm intoo! Is anybody going to demo the scary sharp sharpening technique??? I'llvolunteer my plane irons... Darrellwww.bamboorods.homepage.com -----Original Message-----From: Robert Venneri Cc: rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 3:09 PMSubject: Re: PA Gathering Joe C. Byrd wrote: Those of you who are going to the PA gathering, and wouldlike to share a fine imported cigar and some goodconversation email me at jcbyrd@direct- pest.com and let meknow. I will be bringing my portable humidor chocked fullof stogies. Maybe we can get together share a stogie andtalk rodbuilding. JoeJoeMy wife will kill me if she knows Im smoking cigars. Count me in. Best regardsBob VVenneri's21 Chuck Hill RdSaugerties NY 12477914 246 5882http://www.ulster.net/~rvenneri/index.html from saltwein@swbell.net Tue Aug 31 19:44:37 1999 (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7)with ESMTP id for Subject: "Driggs" River Special Hello All, I got home from work tonight and rushed about trying to find my wax.After ten minutes it turned up right were I had put it, in the cabinetin my shop (that's what I get for putting things away). I managed to get the butt section of the Driggs waxed before dinner(wolfed it down). I then waxed one tip and put it together and headed slows the traffic down on our road. I had a guy stop tonight and offerto give me a bunch of flies. I told him I tied my own and then toughtthat I should have taken them just to be neighborly. All I can say about the Driggs is, WOW! It is totally effortless tocast. I was ready for a lot of problems with timing because of what Ihad read about parabolics, but this rod action is pure sweetness! I loveit! How does the Driggs compare to other parabolic actions? Low end, semi,or true parabolic? I have nothing to compare it too. Regards, SteveIndependence, MO from oakmere@carol.net Tue Aug 31 20:06:01 1999 Subject: RE: Working REC Ferrules Bill: I suggest you use 1000 or higher grit to bring down the male ferrule to fitthe female. I had no trouble with 3 ferrules on a 3 piece bamboo rebuild. Idon't have any suggestions on how you can fix your current situation.Sorry. FrankFrank Paul, GreyFox2932 North Bayshore DriveSeneca, SC 29672fwpaul@ces.clemson.edu (work)oakmere@carol.net (home) from landeen@valley-internet.net Tue Aug 31 20:17:57 1999 Subject: Re: "Driggs" River Special I built two Drigg's rods this summer one for me and one for my son. I loveit. I have used it several times already to catch cutthroat in northern otherson.-----Original Message----- Subject: "Driggs" River Special Hello All, I got home from work tonight and rushed about trying to find my wax.After ten minutes it turned up right were I had put it, in the cabinetin my shop (that's what I get for putting things away). I managed to get the butt section of the Driggs waxed before dinner(wolfed it down). I then waxed one tip and put it together and headed slows the traffic down on our road. I had a guy stop tonight and offerto give me a bunch of flies. I told him I tied my own and then toughtthat I should have taken them just to be neighborly. All I can say about the Driggs is, WOW! It is totally effortless tocast. I was ready for a lot of problems with timing because of what Ihad read about parabolics, but this rod action is pure sweetness! I loveit! How does the Driggs compare to other parabolic actions? Low end, semi,or true parabolic? I have nothing to compare it too. Regards, SteveIndependence, MO from anglport@con2.com Tue Aug 31 20:40:29 1999 "Rod Makers" Subject: Classic Rods and Rodmakers If anyone's interested in chucking a bundle at a book, there's a copy ofKeane's at e-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=155858668 I have NOTHING to do with this, I was just trawling through the place forsomething to do and found it. If anyone planned on keeping it tothemeselves -- sorry. It's only 10 bucks now but it's got 6 days to go.Art from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Tue Aug 31 20:56:45 1999 (5.5.2448.0) saltwein@swbell.net, Rodmakers Subject: RE: "Driggs" River Special Hello all, I'm surprised Tony hasn't picked up on this thread yet, he's a Driggsmaniac. Can't say I blame him though. Mike from rsgould@cmc.net Tue Aug 31 21:04:37 1999 Subject: Driggs River Hi Steve,I took a look at the Paul Young Driggs River and compared it to his Para 14which also for a 5wt. It looks to me as though the Driggs is a fairly fastaction rod and should cast nicely. It has a little dip in the tip sectiontaper before the ferrule and another dip in the taper ahead of the handleand has a rise of 0.280". The para 14 looks like a slower action to me witha fast rise in the tip section but a slow rise in the butt section.Ray from flytyr@southshore.com Tue Aug 31 21:32:34 1999 Subject: Re: Driggs River How does the Driggs River compare to the Profecnist. Is the Driggs afasterrod. I have heard good about rods. I guess I will have to make one of each.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com.Steve, Tell me more about this wax you are putting on your rods. Ray Gould wrote: Hi Steve,I took a look at the Paul Young Driggs River and compared it to his Para14which also for a 5wt. It looks to me as though the Driggs is a fairly fastaction rod and should cast nicely. It has a little dip in the tip sectiontaper before the ferrule and another dip in the taper ahead of the handleand has a rise of 0.280". The para 14 looks like a slower action to mewitha fast rise in the tip section but a slow rise in the butt section.Ray from Canerod72@aol.com Tue Aug 31 22:29:28 1999 Subject: PA gathering Is there any way of getting a schedule of events planned for each day?Thank you in advance,Bill Felter from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au Tue Aug 31 22:38:55 1999 Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:44:17 +0800 (WST)(envelope- from tyoung@perth.dialix.com.au) Subject: Re: Driggs River As it happens I can comment on this.The Driggs is a bit faster and more of a wand. It casts in a simmilarfashion but feels like it's have a job handeling larger fish though I knowit will. The Perfectionist has more guts and casts a heavier line. It alsooutcasts the Driggs for distance and will cast hevier flies. Personaly I find it hard to understand how anybody can feel complete as aperson without one of each. ;-) Tony On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Tony Spezio wrote: How does the Driggs River compare to the Profecnist. Is the Driggs afasterrod. I have heard good about rods. I guess I will have to make one of each.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com.Steve, Tell me more about this wax you are putting on your rods. Ray Gould wrote: Hi Steve,I took a look at the Paul Young Driggs River and compared it to his Para14which also for a 5wt. It looks to me as though the Driggs is a fairlyfastaction rod and should cast nicely. It has a little dip in the tip sectiontaper before the ferrule and another dip in the taper ahead of thehandleand has a rise of 0.280". The para 14 looks like a slower action to mewitha fast rise in the tip section but a slow rise in the butt section.Ray /***********************************************************************/ Q. How many Microsoft personel does it take to change a light bulb? A. None. They change the new standard to "Darkness" Tony Younghttp://www.iinet.net.au/~mainpeak/flyrod.html /***********************************************************************/ from jik@foxinternet.net Tue Aug 31 22:49:21 1999 Subject: Re: "Driggs" River Special Were are these "driggs" rods? I looked in the taper archive and don't see anyone named driggs or anything. Landeens writes:I built two Drigg's rods this summer one for me and one for my son. Iloveit. I have used it several times already to catch cutthroat in northern otherson.-----Original Message-----From: Steve Trauthwein Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 5:51 PMSubject: "Driggs" River Special Hello All, I got home from work tonight and rushed about trying to find my wax.After ten minutes it turned up right were I had put it, in the cabinetin my shop (that's what I get for putting things away). I managed to get the butt section of the Driggs waxed before dinner(wolfed it down). I then waxed one tip and put it together and headed slows the traffic down on our road. I had a guy stop tonight and offerto give me a bunch of flies. I told him I tied my own and then toughtthat I should have taken them just to be neighborly. All I can say about the Driggs is, WOW! It is totally effortless tocast. I was ready for a lot of problems with timing because of what Ihad read about parabolics, but this rod action is pure sweetness! I loveit! How does the Driggs compare to other parabolic actions? Low end,semi,or true parabolic? I have nothing to compare it too. Regards, SteveIndependence, MO from mrj@aa.net Tue Aug 31 22:52:15 1999 Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:52:07 -0700 Subject: RE: REC Uniferrules If you put it in a drill motor's Jacobs chuck I doubt that you could squeezeit tight enough to repair the ferrule. I sanded a ferrule a little too muchone time and I took it to a friends house who had a lathe. I slowlytightened down on it in stages and it dimpled the edges out a bit. I thenput it back in the chuck and squeezed down after rotating it a bit. 9 Thechuck was a three jaw, and I basically just split the difference when I putit back in again.) I now had basically 6 enlarged surfaces and the ferruleworks fine to this day. I know it is not perfect but what else can you do ifyou have removed too much material short of removing and starting overwithanother ferrule? You can always do that if this doesn't work. Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- WilliamR. Subject: REC Uniferrules Last night I had my first experience fitting an REC Uniferrule. Thecompanysuggests that because of improved tolerances in manufacture, only half anhour is needed to complete the fitting. Don't believe it! I have spent anhour and a half already with no end in sight. The first ten minutes wererequired to take too much off the male and the remainder of the time hasbeen spent trying to correct my error. The ferrule has seemed toeffectively resist the usual suggestions for expanding the male orcompressing the female. I have tried putting lead shot in the male andusing a hammer and punch to cause the male to bulge. Repeated attemptshavecaused some swelling but when the lead is removed the ferrule returns tooriginal size. Perhaps I am not attacking it with sufficient aggression,but the lead shot had lumped together to the point that it had to be drilledout. Would sand be a better choice? I have also put the female in a Jacobschuck and screwed it down. Again, when the pressure is released it seemstogo back to original dimension. I welcome your suggestions. If you are fitting a Uniferrule for the firsttime, be careful. I was fitting by hand with 600 grit sandpaper and it tookno time to go too far. This particular set at least came from REC veryclose to final dimensions. Bill Lamberson from Michael.Roberts@health.wa.gov.au Tue Aug 31 23:15:55 1999 (5.5.2448.0) rodmakers@wugate.wustl.eduSubject: RE: "Driggs" River Special Hi Noah,The Driggs taper is a Paul Young taper and it's listed in thetaper archives on the rodmakers page. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: "Driggs" River Special Were are these "driggs" rods? I looked in the taper archive and don't see anyone named driggs or anything. Landeens writes:I built two Drigg's rods this summer one for me and one for my son. Iloveit. I have used it several times already to catch cutthroat in northern otherson.-----Original Message-----From: Steve Trauthwein Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 5:51 PMSubject: "Driggs" River Special Hello All, I got home from work tonight and rushed about trying to find my wax.After ten minutes it turned up right were I had put it, in the cabinetin my shop (that's what I get for putting things away). I managed to get the butt section of the Driggs waxed before dinner(wolfed it down). I then waxed one tip and put it together and headed slows the traffic down on our road. I had a guy stop tonight and offerto give me a bunch of flies. I told him I tied my own and then toughtthat I should have taken them just to be neighborly. All I can say about the Driggs is, WOW! It is totally effortless tocast. I was ready for a lot of problems with timing because of what Ihad read about parabolics, but this rod action is pure sweetness! I loveit! How does the Driggs compare to other parabolic actions? Low end,semi,or true parabolic? I have nothing to compare it too. Regards, SteveIndependence, MO from jik@foxinternet.net Tue Aug 31 23:20:30 1999 Subject: archive at rodmakers site non-functional The server which hosts the rodmakers archive is not allowing access to foreign links, which the rodmakers site frontend is. Were is the*real* rodmakers archive root? And whoever is responsible for therodmakers archive should talk the host server into letting therodmakers website link to the archive. Here is the message I get: STOP IT! Sorry, but we do not allow linking to any files on the Crosswindsserver except for our members HTML files. Linking directly stealsbandwidth and is very inconsiderate of our members. If you want tolink to the sites on Crosswinds, link to their main page or any htmlfile in their account so that their site gains attention andvisibility on the Web. from leroyt@involved.com Tue Aug 31 23:47:38 1999 (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61049U4500L450S0V35)with SMTP id com for ;Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:46:59 -0700 Subject: 3/4 weight boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEF3FB.4F728A40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEF3FB.4F728A40 List Members looking for a recommendation, want to build a 7-71/2' 3 or =4 weight to fish smaller creeks, like faster action rods no sloooow = Thanks in advance, Leroy................... ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEF3FB.4F728A40 List Members looking for recommendation, want to build a 7-71/2' 3 or 4 weight to fish smaller = like faster action rods no sloooow rods. What would you recommend? = Leroy................... ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEF3FB.4F728A40--